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songsfortheotherkind

29th May 2012, 14:23

Recently I was walking in the Otherrealms and exploring the issues of the visual cortex; this mysterious filtering mechanism that is going on in the brain whereby a vast amount of information is being filtered out so that we can't actually see what it is that we're seeing, we're seeing what the filters allow us to see. I know that as young children all of my progeny spent a vast amount of time talking to things and Beings that I couldn't see; my eldest was frightened as a baby by someone that used to watch her from the roof and she had to sleep with me. She was always laughing at, waving to and playing with a host of things that clearly were not touching the ground. I sometimes saw these things out of the corners of my eyes but couldn't see them face on.

I also remembered the story of the shaman standing at the shore watching the water, unable to express what wasn't right about the scene, just knowing that something was there: the tribe trusted his vision and supported him physically while he stood there for two weeks, willing himself to see what it was that his eyes couldn't see. Eventually he saw the ships of Columbus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZpXPwmbQvc&feature=related

So about a week or so ago I sent out the intention that I wanted to see the world that the filters in my cortex are filtering out. Since then I have had full tilt transformations on so many levels. It's caught in with the no-contract elements of sui generis; I feel like I'm at the centre of a great pattern that is coalescing around me like the great spiral galaxies. The B12 lesson has shown me that there are things I can use here physically to slip my skin more- spirulina is another substance that helps me slip between worlds in the physical level, I experience a similar disintegration of the physical bond that has been contracted onto me here. There is, I am discovering, a vast difference between that which is necessary to keep the avatar experience working and the solid fusion that has been perpetrated on Beings here in order to keep their abilities suppressed and contracted.

Contracted. That's absolutely what contracts do: think about the word when it applies to the physical, what happens when something contracts. When an individual contracts another, what is actually going on is something deeply significant in terms of both sui generis and evolution, both in their micro and macro expressions. I really, really want to make this as a film explanation because it's so much easier for me to talk the details than write them, *and* this needs to be expressed into the Pub so that some things can be undone and other things created.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9bfLHhyViI&feature=related

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w136/jeri101_photo/luegossasPrincess.jpg

Out beyond the quarantine there is a multiverse that practices sui generis. There is an other way of describing a sui generis Being: a Firstborn. This is because, as a unique Being, each one is the Alpha and Omega of its own; there has never been nor will there ever be this unique signal again. There is no duplication of signal, ever: not matter how much something looks like something else, it is never, ever that original thing: this is why time travel is impossible, you will simply bounce back and forth through an infinite variety of signals that *look* like the one that you came from but are not- every time you visit the past, you change that present in subtle ways that butterfly effect throughout the whole signal: you can never return to the present you left. All time/no time exists concurrently in an endless sea of possibility, within other realms that exist without time. So the idea that signals can duplicate is an illusion- not even a clone is a true copy, because the exact signal that created the first Being cannot be duplicated. There will always be butterfly effects.

So, in a multiverse inhabited by Firstborn, unique, sui generis Beings, their own authority and jurisdiction, dedicated to the path of evolution, would such Beings ever into a contracting arrangement with another? What would any action designed to halt, freeze, the flow and evolution have to do with a free Being? Freedom and contracts have nothing to do with each other, as anyone who has ever had a mortgage (death note) will attest: you try getting the bank to agree that this document they're offering you is conditional and subject to change should future information come to light that reveals there were vital factors at play that make the contract void, due to the hidden nature of things: oh no, they say, you can't have that, only we can pull that trick on you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDgl4VqWwj4&feature=related

So the contract is based on an agreement to freeze the energy into that moment; to have all future actions based on that moment in time and what was apparent in that moment, regardless of what might come ti light further down the track. This freezing in time has an interesting interpretation in the distortion: it's called commitment and is touted as a good thing, this freezing of possibility.

http://www.kayelleallen.com/image/PrinceNuada-as-Pietas-smile.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxmS3HuEms

Sui generis Beings know that there is no contract necessary for journeying together; what else can be said but 'yes'- the joy of a 'yes' from a wild and unfettered soul dancing open armed in their signal and the signal of the All, the yes to the moment and the Other, moment by moment; what else could be said that would not stifle the evolution with even the most delicate of tendrils, no matter how lovingly they are laid. The only possibility between sui generis Beings that know the value of the signal that they carry and the value of the signal that the other carries- would love of either ever tolerate even the momentary loss of freedom that even the most lovingly whispered contract would result in? What kind of love would ask of the other to stop evolving even for a moment?

Contracts are not things expansive evolving Beings engage in. So there are no contracts made before coming into this plane that are about 'I'll come in, and die so that you can evolve': the contracts are the beginning of the illusion: the idea that there is anything at all, other than our own Self, that can get in the way of our evolution and expression. These subtle contracts are the binding on our physical Being that tells us what we an and cannot do: we cannot fly even though we carry the absolute memory of it in our biology; we cannot walk through walls, say the contracts, we cannot shapeshift, we cannot expand into this fantastical canvas and possibility, we are constrained, we are limited, we are diminished and unable to break free until we die.

I walked through the realms of the contract makers recently, saw the difference between a multiverse that has no limits, and the contractions that come with deteronomous perspectives that seek to strangle the evolution down into a frozend moment of obligation. Free Beings do not need to bind one another with oaths and promises- is not my yes enough? Is my no not clear? Anything else is weasel words that slide hidden contracts around in the background and call it communication, call it relationship, call it whatever it serves them to call it, yet what I have seen is a place where the commitment is to the highest expression of Self and the Other.

If we shed the contracts that have been glued onto us, these things that we go around agreeing to without even knowing we're agreeing, what then is impossible? It's not an intellectual understanding, it's embodied and if you want to know what contracts you're carrying, just try to move something with your mind and hear the stories.

I'm now looking at the B12 and the spirulina as tricksy little helpers in moving the contracts out of my biology. I'm cleaning everything out as fast as I can process- all this writing and I have still failed, in my estimation, to express exactly how profound the difference is between these two perspectives and realities.

I will work on more expressive forms as I can, yet it's really important to me to get the ideas out there. No contracts is the beginning of the manifestation of the superbeings...

songsfortheotherkind

29th May 2012, 15:37

now, just to throw something into the mix that will most definitely link to what I just wrote:

*if* the bible is an Anunnaki book (the first part, 'let us make man in our image') and jesus is Anun, then who is the energy that the Anunnaki are subjected to? Because they are absolutely subjected to something, it's all over the place. Have you ever thought about what it is they know they're subject to?

Borden

29th May 2012, 16:38

So much interesting, funny, beautiful stuff posted since my little rant. My rant, by the way, was disproportionate but with its heart in the right place. Modwiz isn't one of those intimidators though, and I have no beef with him. Besides, he has great hair and an irresistible arse.

Dennis, I loved your post, and the bit about your testicles was brilliantly funny. I take your point. Your xylophone is finely tuned, and I have no idea why you would think otherwise.

Calz ... you have desecrated Susan Storm of the Fantastic Four in a way that not even Victor Von Doom could manage. I feel very wrong about myself for liking those pictures.

Now, just in case I made anyone feel uncomfortable by pointing out that other people might make you feel uncomfortable ... get over it. I'm a Sith. What do you want from me?

p.s. Cerridwen, that 'attempted murder' picture is brilliant. I'm sending that to lots of people I know, thank you!

Borden

29th May 2012, 17:25

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onawah

29th May 2012, 17:39

This just goes to show how dense I am, but would someone please explain the Attempted Murder photo? I didn't get it. Thanks!
Songs, I have been taking Spirulina for many years, and it is probably one of the reasons I am still at least somewhat coherent.
I was a friend of the brilliant Dr. Christopher Hills, who was responsible in large part for bringing it to the global market.
http://www.drhills.com/
He was convinced of the healing efficacy of the bluegreen algaes, not only for individuals, but for the planet, but that's a whole story in itself...

Having friends in the live/raw foods community, I knew that Nutrex brand Spirulina was the product of choice for most of the most discerning, and I took that for years.
But recently I have been concerned about the toxins from Fukushima contaminating the Hawaiian Islands, which is the source of Nutrex.
So I did some research and discovered that NOW brand organic Spirulina, which is grown inland in India, is probably a better bet.
I've not confirmed this as yet, but I am going to ask Viktoras Kulvinskas, another friend and a live/raw food pioneer, and he should have more good info on this.
I should mention that NOW also carries a brand of Spirulina that is not grown in India, but the Spirulina that is labelled organic is the India grown strain.

Songs, on the theme of time travel/contracts, etc. thank you for your musings.
if you enjoy novels, I think you might find these books by Lawrence Durrell of interest,if you haven't read them:Tunc (1968) and Nunquam (1970).
I read them first many years ago (along with Durrell's most famous works, The Alexandria Quartet) and it was like stepping through a time portal.
The plot is about a very intellectual, powerful, wealthy man who becomes obsessed with a gifted, hedonistic young film actress whom he both fears and desires to possess.
When she dies an untimely death, he uses his considerable resources to create a sort of android replica of her, in hopes that he will be able to sate his passion for her through the replica.
I won't tell you what happens when the replica comes "alive" , but the themes are along the lines of the themes you are exploring in #3264.
Durrell was far ahead of his time, and certainly lived his life passionately in sui generis
He is still one of my favorite novelists.
Here is one of his poems:

Strip-tease

Soft toys that make to seem girls
In cool whitewash with two coral
Valves of lip printing each others' grease ...
A clockwork Cupid's bow. Increase!
Their cherry-ripe hullo brims the open purse
Of eyes washed white by the marmoreal light;
So swaying as if on pyres they go
About the buried business of the night,
Cold witches of the elementary tease
Balanced on the horn of a supposed desire...
Trees shed their leaves like some of these.

Being something of a recluse for a good part of my life, I have found books to be a great window to the world, and my spirit guides, or intuition (or whatever) have consistently led me to books that have provided much in the way of nourishment for further inner journeying.

onawah

29th May 2012, 17:48

One thread in the general trend in current thinking along these lines among current researchers, I believe, is that the Annunaki are humanoid/reptilians, with the reptilian in predominance as far as social structuring is concerned, though they may resemble humans physically more than reptilians.
Which suggests that predominantly patriarchal, hierarchal patterning stems from reptilian genetics.
Which is one reason why, I think, so many believe that the current unbalanced death-fixated agenda on this planet has been reptilian in origin.

now, just to throw something into the mix that will most definitely link to what I just wrote:

*if* the bible is an Anunnaki book (the first part, 'let us make man in our image') and jesus is Anun, then who is the energy that the Anunnaki are subjected to? Because they are absolutely subjected to something, it's all over the place. Have you ever thought about what it is they know they're subject to?

Fred Steeves

29th May 2012, 17:51

This just goes to show how dense I am, but would someone please explain the Attempted Murder photo? I didn't get it. Thanks!

And here I thought it was just me.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/unsure.gif Sometimes someone just needs to draw me a damn picture. Oh wait...That was a picture...http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif

onawah

29th May 2012, 18:28

Have any of the regulars here been following the Helvitic thread?
There is always a lot of good info there, but it's kind of Avalon's best kept secret.
See:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=497145#post497145

Borden

29th May 2012, 18:34

To Onawah and Fred ... you know how the collective term for whales is a 'pod' of whales? A group of crows is called a 'murder' of crows. Just one of those trivia things that if Tesla hadn't happened to have heard before it wouldn't have made him any less brilliant.

Onawah, Songsy has a lot to say about the Anunnaki and the Anun. For reasons that close followers of this thread will know, I have a particularly keen interest. From what I have heard from her, and from what I've intuited ... a lot of the reptilian aspect that I'd hitherto listened to now seems nonsensical to me. This is not to say I'm an acolyte to be filled with another doctrine - far from it. But what you suggest is interesting to me, and I do feel a revulsion at the patriarchal, hierarchical patterning you mention. Whatever it is, it's truly ugly and anti-evolution. I hope this conversation takes off, and I'm sorry if I have inhibitions about the whole subject. I'm really curious about it.

Borden

29th May 2012, 19:01

For me, this is the pub anthem. Yes, I know I've posted it before. There's a special connection I have with Songsy about this particular song, but if you listen to the lyric, I think you may agree that it carries a certain signal that applies to us all. I hope so.

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Dennis Leahy

29th May 2012, 19:55

To Onawah and Fred ... you know how the collective term for whales is a 'pod' of whales? A group of crows is called a 'murder' of crows. Just one of those trivia things that if Tesla hadn't happened to have heard before it wouldn't have made him any less brilliant.Somewhere deep in the recesses of my mind, I quasi-recall a cluster of crows is a "murder", but I too did not excavate that info.

In the image, I saw that crows had landed on a bar, and was going with "crowbar" as a murder weapon. So, Onowah and Fred, I join you.

http://www.7thsensemultimedia.com/Imagez/CrowbarMurder.jpg

Dennis

onawah

29th May 2012, 20:03

Dennis, you did a lot better than I did with your crowbar theory. :madgrin: :lol:
I had not a clue! :noidea:
Thanks for the explanation, Borden. I don't feel quite so dense now.

I guess I must have missed the conversation here about the Annunaki, but it is certainly a subject I have been interested in for some time now.
I've read most of Sitchin's books, and a lot of Sir Lawrence Gardner's work. Sitchin's rather worshipful attitude toward the Annunaki was a red flag for me (and a lot of people. no doubt), but I was reassured about Sitchin's relative accuracy at least, by Bob Dean's validation of it.
Michael Tellilnger's work also dovetails with Sitchin's theories about the Annunaki mining for gold in Africa.
Sitchin didn't acknowledge the presence of other ET races here that I am aware of, and that was certainly a huge blind spot, but at least he provided some of the puzzle pieces.
Beyond that, I am certainly no authority, though probably better read than most on the subject.
I was enlisted some years ago by a Native American woman who was a facilitator for a 501C3 that recruited volunteers to write to Native American prisoners (most of whom were in prison in Texas for possession of marijuana and similar minor charges which should have been misdemeanors).
"Coincidentally", the first and only time I met her, she told me about one young NA prisoner in her program who kept pestering her with questions about "something called the 'Annunaki' or Annonukie" (LOL) , and wanted a pen pal who could answer his questions.
When I heard that, my heart went out to him, since I knew what it was like to have burning curiosity on that subject, and so I became a volunteer, and ended up purchasing most of Sitchin's work and following a lot of the discussion on various websites so I could provide White Owl with the info he so desired, until I finally burnt out on the subject and found him a new volunteer.
My knowledge of the subject is mostly just from reading, and no doubt Songs has a different kind of, more direct info/experience from which to draw.
But I did have one direct experience that really blew me away.
It was an encounter with a woman who, it was obvious to me, had recent Annunaki origins.
I could tell by her eyes, which won't make sense except perhaps to other INFPs.
But also because for no discernible reason, this woman who was a stranger to me, began telling me about her ex-husband, who immediately after their marriage, began telling her that they were both Annunaki who had elected to be born in human bodies at this time, and if that wasn't enough to freak her out since she knew nothing about ETs, he went into a rant about how now that they were married, she belonged to him and him alone. (According to him, they had a long history on their homeworld or wherever, and he considered that she had been leading him in a not-so-merry chase for a long time, but figured that now they were on Earth, he would have the upper hand--I don't know the cause for that reasoning, exactly.)
She didn't know anything about the Annunaki, she said, except that they were an alien race, so I gave her enough info to get started on finding out the essential data, if she chose to.
But I was somehow getting that this experience was probably more for my benefit than hers, because actually meeting someone who I intuited was an Annunaki was a big validation for me that my curiosity about the subject was not unfounded, a question that had kind of been torturing me (perhaps I caught some of that from White Owl).
I know this just sounds like one of the wild tales that one hears on conspiracy theory forums, but you will find, if you have read many of my posts on this forum, which I have belonged to for a long time, that I am pretty grounded as far as these "high strangeness" subjects go.
But I have had quite a few remarkable experiences in the "other" realms, too.
As for reptilian fear porn that has been so predominant on the net for so long, if that is what you are referring to in your apology re being inhibited, I ignore it for the most part, though I think there probably are some pretty nasty lizzy type critters masquerading as humans on the planet--or were, at any rate, in the not too distant past.
Whether they can shape shift or not, I have no idea.
But I suspect some of the people who have claimed to witness shape shifting have simply been suddenly able to visually intuit the reptilian spirits in the human bodies at certain crucial junctures.
Perhaps the lizzies were assisting in that in order to frighten, which we know they like to do--the regressive ones, that is.

I have a friend who claims she is from a benevolent reptilian planet, and I believe her.
She is a 4th generation Apache medicine woman, and she is not a liar or a practical joker.
She says that the reptilians on her former world had been battling with the regressive lizzies for a long time.

I've also had a couple of encounters with Zeta/human hybrids--not Abduction scenarios, just hybrids who are passing for "normal", one of whom actually admitted to me that she is a hybrid, and I expect the other one would admit it too, if I asked, but I already know he is, so I won't.
It's pretty obvious when you know what to look for, in any case.
And some of them are in denial about their genetic heritage, so it's not really kind to "out" them.

I am not preoccupied with these subjects :cantina::ufo: overmuch now; I guess you could say that sui generis interests me much more.
However, I have, since childhood, been very aware of the revolting patriarchal, hierarchical patterning so predominant on our world, and I was rather amazed to see it rear it's ugly head so blatantly here at the Pub recently.
Thanks again to you and Songs for dealing with that so effectively. :luv:
I don't imagine we'll be seeing much more of that, considering how effectively it was dealt with, both verbally and energetically, which is good.
Maybe a new, therapeutic thread should be opened for recovering, in-denial chauvanists. :yuck::behindsofa:
It seems we can run, but we can't hide anymore from whatever skeletons we may be hiding in our closets, and that goes for everyone.
Transparency is no longer optional, it's becoming the norm.

I do believe we are at the threshold of a much more life-affirming, pro-evolutionary era, which sure feels to me like it's overdue.
And I don't think the Annunaki are going to be causing a lot of problems on this earthly melting pot anymore.
From what I intuit, they have been given their own evolutionary "walking papers" and will be quite busy burning off a lot of old, rather nasty karma.
Not that they cannot incarnate here if they choose, apparently but they certainly won't be masquerading as Gods anymore.

Fred Steeves

29th May 2012, 20:11

Check out who I encountered in our back yard Sunday. It actually happens quite often, but now I've gone and figured out how to use the video gig, so you guys can see first hand the types that frequent our humble little place on the river.
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Dennis Leahy

29th May 2012, 20:21

Close encounter of the manatee kind! Very Cool!

Dennis

onawah

29th May 2012, 20:25

Manatees strike me as one of the most harmless, sweet natured animals on the planet.
Wish I had one in my back yard...
I would sing songs to it and let it know it is loved.
(And caution it to stay clear of motor boats, poor thing. :fear::cry:)

Fred Steeves

29th May 2012, 20:41

There's one we call Amanda, she demands to have her belly scratched. She'll bump you, then flop down on the bottom belly exposed. If you make her wait too long, she'll turn back over and come bump you again...

By the way, sometimes a picture paints a thousand words on a hot summer afternoon. Meet Braveheart.
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Lisab

29th May 2012, 20:49

A murder of crows. A tiding of magpies. An unkindness of raven and a parliament of rooks. I first learned of the collective noun for these birds thru Neil Gaimans Sandman books! Loved the Attemped Murder pic too. Brilliant!

Calz

29th May 2012, 23:03

So much interesting, funny, beautiful stuff posted since my little rant. My rant, by the way, was disproportionate but with its heart in the right place. Modwiz isn't one of those intimidators though, and I have no beef with him. Besides, he has great hair and an irresistible arse.

I see you found your medicinally laced breath mints :tape: :dirol:

The White Wizard meant no harm. He speaks in an elvish tongue (as wizards are apt to do) which oft confuses ... even when not intended to.

:wizard:

Dennis, I loved your post, and the bit about your testicles was brilliantly funny. I take your point. Your xylophone is finely tuned, and I have no idea why you would think otherwise.

Ditto.

Calz ... you have desecrated Susan Storm of the Fantastic Four in a way that not even Victor Von Doom could manage. I feel very wrong about myself for liking those pictures.

I do my best. :shocked:

Now, just in case I made anyone feel uncomfortable by pointing out that other people might make you feel uncomfortable ... get over it. I'm a Sith. What do you want from me?

I'm a Sevnth ... be yourself (as if you need help in that regard ... :smokin: )

http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~jcatra/Yoda_login.gif

Borden

29th May 2012, 23:07

Oh wow, Lisab, an unkindness of ravens? Heh heh ... I'd forgotten some of those. And I keep meaning to read those Sandman books because everyone tells me they're brilliant. By the way, how about ... a sh!tstorm of wasps, a cuddle of kittens, or a blither of civil servants? A corona of pubbies!

Fred, that is brilliant ... I haven't been to America for many years, but last time I went, the friend I went with tricked me into going to Disney world, land - whatever it's called - in Florida. It meant that the last conversation I had with my father was on a Mickey Mouse telephone (Mickey holding up the receiver - my Dad was unexpectedly called in for surgery that they bungled. But me, Dad and Mickey had a good chat at least). It also meant that I got to meet a manatee. I met one who liked me just holding my hand flat on his back, and my trickster friend laughed like a drain when I remarked that the manatee was essentially a floating sofa-bed. I think they're lovely creatures. Your dog has character, by the way! I'm impressed.

Dennis ... that's one of those things that can send intelligent people like us into a brain fry! Like my curiosity as to why Batman would have such a close relationship to a young boy in a colourful and very camp, tight-fitting costume. Eek! I can come up with all sorts of weird theories about something I don't immediately understand, and sometimes, actually, they're brilliantly wrong!

Onawah, thank you. I think you and I are in a similar position. I've had some bizarre experiences with people who I could describe as 'reptilian', but I'm also unwilling to judge. How do I know what they really are? Songsy has identified me as 'Anun', and she's pretty adamant on that, no matter the arguments we've had on the subject. But there's nothing reptilian about it. I mean ... my fingernails and hair do grow unusually quickly, but I haven't yet experimented with cutting off a limb!

Supposing I were a reptilian of the sort you've read about ... would you think any less of me? I know that presupposes that you think anything of me in the first place, but you know what I mean. And now ask yourself whether people like that would be open about what they are. It's not so simple, is it?

Borden

29th May 2012, 23:22

Calz, you are beautiful. Have I ever told you that? Well, I'm telling you now.

Energetic signatures have been popping off and having a fine old time recently. Some have been macabre and very surprising. Yours is true and good.

onawah

29th May 2012, 23:45

I love Neil Gaimans Sandman's books, and the movies based on them.

A murder of crows. A tiding of magpies. An unkindness of raven and a parliament of rooks. I first learned of the collective noun for these birds thru Neil Gaimans Sandman books! Loved the Attemped Murder pic too. Brilliant!

Borden wrote:

Supposing I were a reptilian of the sort you've read about ... would you think any less of me? I know that presupposes that you think anything of me in the first place, but you know what I mean. And now ask yourself whether people like that would be open about what they are. It's not so simple, is it?

Well, as I said, my friend the 4th generation Apache medicine woman told me that she spent time on a service-to-other oriented Reptilian planet, and at first I was highly suspicious, since at that time I had not heard of positively oriented reptilians. (So if I were from a reptilian planet, Borden, even a positively oriented one, I would be careful who I divulged that to.)

Before my Apache friend told me about positively oriented Reptilians, I didn't know her very well and I was very much caught up in my research about the Annunaki, Reptilians, etc.
I was at my computer researching away one day and she was just kind of hanging around for some unknown reason, and I was studiously trying to ignore her, as I thought she was pretty weird. ( I was living in a sort of community setting at the time and she was a visiting guest, so I had to be relatively polite to her.)
She asked me what I was reading about. I decided to tell her so that she would think I was weird and hopefully leave me alone.
But when I told her, she said. "Well, I'm from a Reptilian planet."
Which scared the s--- out of me! :scared: :croc: :laugh:
She thought my reaction was pretty hilarious, but then proceeded to tell me about the positively oriented Reptilians.
Anyway, I think there are positively oriented Annunaki (Sitchin seemed to think Enki was one), so I wouldn't be feeling too self-conscious about what Songs told you, Borden.
You were probably one of the nicer varieties.

Cerridwen

30th May 2012, 00:14

Cerridwen

30th May 2012, 01:32

Calz

30th May 2012, 01:55

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!!! WHY? Why do people insist on mistaking kindness for weakness?!!!

I’m not a game player. In fact, I try to avoid playing games even when I probably should play them. Instead, I prefer to create win-win situations for all. WTF is wrong with that?

I am not weak nor stupid!

Why are some people such f*cktards? Is it the fluoride? The chemtrails? The high fructose corn syrup?

Idiots.

*Stomps off towards the blue pool room, still muttering...*

Hey, will someone please tell the cute cabana boy that I really need one of those galactic drinks in here...

http://www.funnyfidos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/funny-dog-picture-cabana-boy.jpg

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1319/1207493509_b44a3f4e72_z.jpg?zz=1

http://www.tbmagazine.net/images/content/broi32/16.jpg

http://chztotsandgiggles.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/funny-kids-pictures-morning-sunshine-oh-cabana-boy.jpg

Hope that helped :help:

:yo:

http://18hayasa.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/relax1.jpg

Cerridwen

30th May 2012, 02:13

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 02:15

I have a lot of things pushing into my space from the mundane world. I have invited energies into my space to assist me with managing these incursions that are noise that seeks to interfere with the path I'm on, the creating I feel compelled to be immersed in. I am tapping into the Firstborn energy and finding it an interesting path, hearing all the objectors rush forward with their myriads of contracts, insisting that I am bound by obligation to these trivial bureaucrats that seek to freeze my evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4R53zyvv4&feature=related

If all they can dream is distortions and nightmares, even with all that's been shown to them, their house (the one made from their dreams) is abandoned to them.

Dream a better dream, because everyone is about to get the world of their dreams.

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/3BgHhsgRFjs/hqdefault.jpg

If anyone is wondering why Nuada, two things: he looks like a beloved of mine and there's a strong song within his story, below the ridiculous human distortions, that speaks of the phenomenal power contained within Firstborns. The killing of the firstborns in the Egyptian biblical plagues was, as always, a message of many layers. Nuada as a true Firstborn is a good image for me: I can feel that Firstborn power beginning to move beneath the biology of my avatar and it's indescribable to experience: everything that I have ever posted pictures of, in terms of expressing the myriads of elements I was trying to embody, these are happening within me.

There is *always* the gulf between the idea and the embodiment of the knowledge and this gulf is impossible to express to a novice; one has to live into it before the knowing settles into the marrow and cells. It's on this level that I'm working, beyond cellular; I can feel the contracts on my physical Being trying to assert themselves, biological beaurocrats insisting that their deceptions are the law that I have to bow to.

As a Firstborn I am now looking down at these little parping voices, eyebrows slightly raised, and watching their confused response at my failure to comply. I think I'm going to hit the B12 again very soon and experiment with the levels that I need to get the distortion effect enough to cause mischief but not destabilise to the degree I can't function as a human. The 'looking down' thing is not arrogance, it's physical; I am having the strange experience of dual vision, one physical, one energetic; I have a sense of being much taller than I am now and moving through the space as a giant, about 11 feet tall, and able to expand above things at will. I'm using the energy of Firstborn to do it, which means dropping far out of the noise signal and into something beyond the contracts and mind virus; it's a place of being connected to the energetic flow of resources that are freely exchanged in the living realms but in the dead realms (the contractual realm that we're in) the resources are considered the property of the agencies- as are the avatars we are using.

Micro to macro- think of Monsanto's weasel worded contortions on an energetic and avatar level. There are energetic and spiritual Monsantos that exist in this quarantine zone. They know that they are limited and that they have already lost.

This information is contained everywhere. Think about the question I asked in relation to the Anun Jesus thing: who is it that the Anunnaki are subject to? They have not been *permitted* to destroy the entire homo sapiens species for the last three iterations, whereas they did so before. Some energetic and physical power stepped in and 'cast them into Tartarus', where they are living out their time until they are moved out of this realm entirely, one way or the other. Extinction due to inability to evolve is, to those becoming extinct, destruction. Inevitability can-and often is- experienced as intentional and malevolent. One sees this mentality all the time in the behaviours and thinking of those with victim addictions. It's impossible to shift until the individual makes the shift for themselves; the cure is contained in the nature of the issue.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs26/f/2008/105/8/3/83610e8f25d8adf12fe8d2218895501c.jpg

There is an opportunity for embodiment of power that is currently being extended to all Beings at this time: I can feel it in every molecule and particle of this avatar and my energetic Self. It's all over the shop, for those 'with ears to listen'. The nature of the contracts is the issue. Look at the micro to macro of how things are done within the Anunnaki based control system.

Anunnaki systems ----> Power over, hierarchical, haters of the feminine (universal creator) energy (will go into the Lilith history as soon as I can), dominance, control, makers rather than Creators (no life), heteronomy, homogeny, classifications, ownership/Monsanto mentality regarding the things they make, contracting down the evolution, abuse and death based/oriented. There are absolute interweavings within the law systems they have created (that rely on Beings being property and things rather than sui generis and autonomous as their birthright) so it is imperative to start paying close attention to the little creeping wormtongues and dissolve the presumptions before they can get any hold. It's created as a tower of 'proof'- you agreed here therefore you are agreeing there, there and there, so you have no remedy and are subject to us- and these presumptions are best dealt with at the source, rather than running around trying to convince the agencies of the domination (governments, local authorities, bank tellers, police on the side of the road, the guy next door): I'm not interested in the masses. I'm not interested in convincing those who demand miracles as proof, because that's been proven to be a never ending story from those whose purpose is to ensnare the energy into sludge pools of dissent and argument. The main forum has that energy: the conversations are drained of power until they're doddering around in circles mumbling to themselves and asking passersby for a fewdollars for a cup of coffee.

You know, to those who don't understand the realm, those who operate as Firstborns are always going to be seen as as arrogant, accused of uncaring and all sorts of noise, the infantile concerns of those busily arranging the deckchairs of their internal Titanics into a pleasing pattern while the whole story is clearly sliding beneath the waters. Do the same thing again and again and expect a different result- or a saviour. 'Who will save us from our determination to do the same stupid thing over and over again, to talk endlessly about our same stupid behaviours and to employ the same rationalisations to justify the same? Oh save us! But we'll kill you for trying!'

Those who refuse to play that game are always going to be construed as the bad guy, there's no way around that in the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aumejrcEHs

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rFeybAxP3z0/0.jpg

To those who cannot get the evolution, this evolution is not a love song.

Fred Steeves

30th May 2012, 02:17

Supposing I were a reptilian of the sort you've read about ... would you think any less of me? I know that presupposes that you think anything of me in the first place, but you know what I mean. And now ask yourself whether people like that would be open about what they are. It's not so simple, is it?

Hey Borden, don't take me wrong bro, but...
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onawah

30th May 2012, 02:19

I guess I should add that I think there has probably been Annunaki DNA in some of my past life incarnations, for that matter, though I think I was on Earth at the time.
My hunch is that my soul group is primarily Pleiadian in origin, though a lot of us have been incarnating on Earth for a long time.
One thing I do know about is my soul group, enough so that I generally can recognize one when I meet them, speaking of energetic signatures.
Historically, I think we got tired of the Annunaki as overlords, and decided to take on some of their dominant genetics so we could fight fire with fire and level the playing field a bit.
Karma was accrued, however, and will have to be repaid with more STO.

Anyway, that's what I've surmised.
I could probably get a whole different take on it if I got some psychic readings, but it's my story and I'll stick with it for now.

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 03:10

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/130/6/7/675922a4c82c6f42ea266e67e0a26f16-d3g0guv.jpg

In my recent engagement with slipping the human skin, I experienced a great deal of fear from the avatar regarding biological parameters and the known. Borden expressed his experience of this with regards pushing past the membrane of the physical biology in order to astral travel. Not all astrallers experience this and apparently it's common enough to be known. As a child, I never experienced that difficulty in getting the physical avatar to release. So it would seem one of the things to be dissolving is the avatar's fear. I'm going to engage with this consciously and specifically from now on, be rewiring my avatar's experience of certain things, including the aging.

I've been doing it with some degree of success, and as I go deeper into it I'm made more aware of the taint of external contracts that seek to impose their stamp on my avatar: remember the scene in Bladerunner when they identify the source of the snake by the brand code on the snake scale? It's like that, only on each cell; the energetic Monsanto corp has tried to claim my avatar from prebirth. I'm showing up as something else now and it's definitely causing interesting ripples.

So, try this one out: imagine there is an ownership code on your molecules. go into your DNA code and see if you can find the bits that aren't owned. Now, see the ownership code dissolving on all your cells, the elements of the cells, as far into your avatar and energetic body as you need to take it. Observe any contracts that might arise, the nature of them, what they are trying to freeze you into. Use the concept of sui generis/unique/one of a kind/own jurisdiction to answer the contracts and see what happens. If they attempt to claim that you are NOT unique, use the organ transplant/fingerprint/bio signature/retina identification issues to question their platform. See what happens when you do that.

When you have begun to get some interested responses from dissolving the ownership code, hold the space of the Firstborn in the cells and see what happens, both internally and externally. Hold the space while you are interacting with the external control mechanisms; grow above their energetic noise and look for the authentic signal that sits below the noise. Explore the idea that tapping into that frequency and signal puts you outside the contracts- watch how interactions with agents for the control system tries to engage the biology so that you are operating from the hidden biological contracts. Watch what happens when they don't get a matching signal in response. Observe how these exchanges of contracts are going on around us all the time, as much a part of the biology as breathing and heartbeat.

This is the beginning of a new level of seeing the falling green code constantly streaming around us.

The issue of patience being mistaken for weakness is coming up all over the place. All these virus inspired platitudes about 'turning the other cheek' are just more contracts designed to strangle our true Creator power and transformation ability. There can be no reasonable conversations had with those that wish to be unreasonable. Nothing interesting on this level can ever come from those that think Who magazine is the cutting edge of journalism, spiritually speaking.

Are you feeling the rising, yet?

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs13/i/2007/061/4/3/Magic_by_evogal.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 05:40

CurtisW

30th May 2012, 09:00

The guitar solo makes the video.

:biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnFKS0DbIYM&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Anam Cara

30th May 2012, 10:02

Has it occurred to anyone here that we ALL have REPTILIAN brains(subconscious or lower cerebellum, hope I spelled that right), amongst the other 2? What could that possibly mean? :blink::croc:

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 11:45

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs48/i/2009/210/1/9/Wild_by_OnTheEdgeXD.jpg

The Anunnaki...

In terms of the dinosaurs, were the tarpits evil? In terms of evolution, are the catalysts for evolution, the causes and elements of increasing complexity, evil?

Is the Being that our energies, beliefs and evolutionary gaps calls to us for the necessary lessons evil? What is evil- is it that which we don't agree with, that which we don't personally like, the outside our comfort zones, the places of the evolution? If we see the agencies and mechanisms of evolution as evil, what's actually the problem- the mechanisms themselves, or our perceptions?

If we miss the signals because we have our head up our own arse, or we are simply not listening closely enough to the frequency, or we think we can rationalise our way through a situation and we're getting royally bitten, is that which bites us evil? What happens if we've bitten *ourselves*? All this focus on the external, the exterior signal, when really it's about what can we do with the new thing?

So ok, gateways were opened. In hindsight this could have been done more effectively. Hindsight is always 20/20 and is someone fond of smugly pointing out what *could* have been done in a beating me up kind of way. Evolution is a different element altogether; evolution grabs the ball as it's flying through the air, racing along ahead of the pack grinning hugely while asking 'so, what game are we playing?' while hindsight is standing in the distance chucking a wobbler and saying 'that's not fair! you should have done this, you were supposed to throw it to ME-' whine whine sulk. Evolution gets in the middle of the action, occasionally popping its head out of the melee to let out a whoop of glee and get dragged back into the ball of arms and legs tumbling about.

Most people are hindsighters. Hindsight can trap an individual in the stories of should and shouldn't for their entire life. The banshee nagging of hindsight doesn't really try hanging around me much, it doesn't like being either laughed at or briskly sporked in the face. I can't imagine why.

Approaching the issue of the Anunnaki history as a story of multiple platforms of necessary evolution makes things far more powerful than the victim stories that abound regarding them: the BIG BAD ANUNNAKI blah blah, evil Borg assimilation blibble fnord, woe oh woe, life would be sweet if it wasn't for all these nasty pasties doing evil things to us and blub blub blub. Really? Ya think? I beg to differ, for this reason- you can take the individual out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the individual, not until they've made the decision to evolve; whining that the guy you're choosing to live with is a lazy, abusive jerk while you continue to live with the individual you're experiencing as a lazy, abusive jerk says more about you than it does about the other individual. The community that tolerates the presence of an abusive personality is a community that tolerates an abusive personality- the community that knows how to set and maintain its boundaries isn't going to be inundated with abusive personalities.

This goes up and down the scale. Everything does. The universal signal is interested *always* in greater complexity and creativity *within* the signal itself, seeking ever more complex expressions and experiences of itself. The planetary population as it currently is is like trying to do Richard the Third with an all potato cast. There's not a lot of emoting going to happen there. If an entire species displays the emotional evolutionary ability of a kumquat eventually they're going to fall off the tree and rot on the ground, or get eaten and pooped out somewhere else in another form. Transformation happens, either with or without one's agreement.

I have had this discussion with some Aboriginal women who agreed that, in the long run, the invasion of their culture was inevitable due to the 50,000 year stasis the religious and cultural taboo system had locked their society into. It's a brutal reality and at the same time, it's there: evolve, or die. Evolve, or die. EVOLVE, OR BE TRANSFORMED. EVOLVE OR SH!T WILL HAPPEN. If one is viewing things from the perspective of seeing a number of expressions of ancient struggle *against* the universal evolution, one sees a very very different history of this planetary society and what has gone on here.

This is the view that I am looking at things from, having had the experiences that I have previously spoken about with a group of evolved Anunnaki turning up in my energetic space to both thank me for something and ask me something. Compared to what they asked me, the gift they brought with them was astounding. I can see this, even though I remember how much suffering has been mine in the past. In the light of the evolution, that's the lens best used to view the story through...

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense but the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-Frank Herbert, Dune.

Cerridwen

30th May 2012, 11:48

Sorry for my little OT rant yesterday. Today's a new day and I'm much better now. :)

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 11:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3QYkUaILOI

Conversations with lovers of convoluted conspiracy theories often feel much like this.

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 12:30

Sorry for my little OT rant yesterday. Today's a new day and I'm much better now. :)

*pouts* But I *love* your OT rants. I like that I'm not the only one that rants. :D

*hugs* I'm also glad you're feeling better. I was supposed to be playing a video game right now but triffid can't get it to run properly. I am predicting that by the time he does, I will be well and truly asleep. Which will be right about-

*faceplant*

Borden

30th May 2012, 12:34

Hi, Anam Cara ... yes, that occurs to me again and again. The way I see it is that it's a component that so many live into rather depressingly while imagining themselves superior to animals. That isn't to say I think that the reptilian portion of the brain is negative or should be done away with. If someone throws a punch at me, for instance, I want my reptilian brain fully functional! Maybe it's all about integration?

By the way, I wasn't saying I'm a reptilian! I just wanted to clear that up. Thank you. I'm not. (As far as I know!)

Cerridwen, someone must have really annoyed you, because I've never heard you say f*cktard before! Thank you for not being scared by me though.

Onawah, thank you ... and from what I've gleaned from Songsy, there's a world of difference between the Anunnaki and the Anun. Like I said though, I'm no acolyte, and she and I have interesting conversations about the whole Anunnaki thing. I'm not going to talk about it here because I think Songsy has some very interesting stuff to say about that whole subject, and I don't want to blither in an uneducated way. I do enough of that anyway. I would in no way align myself with any species, group or club that meant harm to others. I am totally prepared to accept the concept that most of what we've all heard about the dreaded reptilians is a hatchet job. I know that if I go into an area with preconceptions I'm only going to see things through those filters, and I'm far more interested in expansion than contraction. Or contracts. The Apache woman you spoke about sounds really interesting.

Songsy, the clips you posted made me think of this, and I'm posting it because not only is the guy Bond is chasing really good at this stuff and impressive, but because I love how Bond does it his way. His way is clunky, brute strength, and quite hurty ... but he is a quintessential utilitarianist. There's always a different approach. There's a particularly good example of this at about the four minute mark, which makes me laugh.

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onawah

30th May 2012, 14:51

My Apache friend is a total trip and a mass of contradictions.
She is about 6 feet tall, weighs about 200 lbs, has a face like a bulldog, but is extremely gentle and feminine.
She has curly blond hair that she used to wear down to her ass and a very soft, sexy voice.
She is very tough, but she is also a total pussycat, with a great sense of humor.
(In fact, she also says that she has lived on a planet of cat people such as James Gilliland is always talking about, and that's the one she's homesick for.)
She had two sons who she put through college by driving a semi truck for about 20 years.
She used to drive trucks into Area 51, though that wasn't her first exposure to the top secret facility, as she grew up nearby it in New Mexico.
As a child, she used to watch UFOs coming and going from the Area all the time.
She had a NDE while hauling her last load in the semi.
She was breaking in a new driver, and had retired to the back of the cab to take a nap, letting the new driver take over for awhile.
Going up a steep incline, he lost control of the truck and it reversed back down the hill and went over a steep embankment.
Somehow she survived, though with some pretty severe injuries.
She retired with a hefty insurance settlement which allowed her to go back to school once she had recovered sufficiently.
She elected to take up wholistic studies and is now a Reiki Master and wholistic practitioner and lives in a lovely little trailer park with a cat, a dog and a very intelligent parrot.
She wanted to retire to New Mexico and work with her Apache people, but it looks like that's not going to happen now, due to issues with asthma and her heart.
She's happy where she is though, and is probably the most optimistic person I've ever met.

Borden

30th May 2012, 15:38

She sounds great, Onawah - a proper character. I love those.

This, I'm learning, is what Sui Generis is all about. I love how regular contributors here are very different 'types'. That appeals to me enormously. We're not 'types in fact'. We're ourselves.

When I see one of us respond in a certain way to something that wouldn't be my way ... I'm finding myself more and more stepping back and appreciating them and their way of doing things. That's not in my nature, or hasn't been. My nature is evolving.

Gekko

30th May 2012, 16:45

*Walks in from the shadows*

Greetings! I've been following this thread loosely since its inception and have enjoyed the continuous flow of perspectives, heart-songs, images, and enlightened commentary. At several points over the past month I've read passages that excited me with the rush of recognition - a shared passion for freedom, tenderness, and grassroots authenticity, along with vastly more specific sentiments. Several times I held back, intimidated by the application requirements. But alas, having you wave at me was too much to bear.

Without further ado -

http://pctrs.network.hu/clubpicture/5/9/6/_/susanbouletisisandosiris2860_596567_61137.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lH8vco2Ix2g/T6MfXsFpE1I/AAAAAAAAAR0/4cejtdJtxi4/s1600/moongoddess.jpg

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/264/c/7/crying_forest_by_chiiyoo-d4ahn97.png

onawah

30th May 2012, 16:55

Yes, I agree Borden, though agreement is not the point, as I think we agree! :lol:
I've been something of a collector of characters all my life.
Conformity has never been my style, though I'm not an exhibitionist, either, which tends to attract too much of the kind of attention one doesn't want.
We grow by stepping outside of the box we were conditioned into, and that happens much more easily when we are open to perspectives that are vastly different from our own.
We don't have to agree to learn from each other, though appreciation is always helpful.
It can become a tedious process sometimes, sifting through information from many sources to find the gems of truth that ring true.
But we can also engage in some form of meditation or connecting with Nature, or whatever practice helps to keep focus and cleanse the mind of detritus afterwards.
That has certainly been a large part of the process for me here on Avalon.
A lot of people would not consider it time well spent, but it takes time and energy if you want to expand the perimeters of your mind, however you go about it.
And I think the fact that we explore subjects here that are about as far outside the box as you can get is key to the amount of mind expansion that can take place.
Although in the current phase, I would say much of what is being discussed elsewhere on PA is less than enlightening, there's no telling what the next phase might be.

Alekahn

30th May 2012, 17:02

Welcome Gekko!

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Fred Steeves

30th May 2012, 17:34

This, I'm learning, is what Sui Generis is all about. I love how regular contributors here are very different 'types'. That appeals to me enormously. We're not 'types in fact'. We're ourselves.

When I see one of us respond in a certain way to something that wouldn't be my way ... I'm finding myself more and more stepping back and appreciating them and their way of doing things. That's not in my nature, or hasn't been. My nature is evolving.

I've been noticing this for some time now Borden, since first stepping foot through the gates of Avalon. Who really needs books any more, when you can personally interact with the types of people that write them. Although we learn from each other intellectually, and through sharing and discussing a myriad of experiences, I think the energetic exchange is by far the biggest win win.

Even when we lose we win. Some of the most profound realizations I've had since being here, have been the result of my own poor decision making in dealing with something happening in the forum. As long as we can have the courage and humility to admit those failings to ourselves, and those involved, it's hard to go wrong.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

mountain_jim

30th May 2012, 18:45

Well, dipping my toe in this daunting 166 page thread for the first time, other than a thanks or 2, as I have not found the time to keep up here overall.......

Some of the most profound realizations I've had since being here, have been the result of my own poor decision making in dealing with something happening in the forum

I likely have examples of this for myself here today. :)

I have only read some pages here and there in this thread, but have stumbled into some amazingly meaningful and well-told personal-life-event stories.

Some time soon when I feel it ready to flow, I may recount here a major 'story' from my own current life - How I went from a Las Vegas derelict with my back-pack and one-day's remaining food and shelter dollars to a National Park concessionaire management employee - Inventory Control Manager - with provided personal cabin and all meals in the park plus a salary..... in one very eventful 24 hour period.

This included an ego-death / rebirth experience that is still my personal benchmark for this archetype, and an ongoing guidance lesson still to this, 34 years later, day.

:yo: (as learned from another_bob)

Swan

30th May 2012, 19:15

and now, in celebration of the type of physicality I really love to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC-vDxamhkc&feature=related

check out the particularly smooth move at 2:52.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPwyhEKDwE

The man who made many of Nuada's fight scenes possible. One of my sons does this sort of thing, and aspires to this greatness. :)

Thank you for this.

Yesterday I went into fear / control mode and told my 8 year old to stop jumping off roofs.

Then I remembered - but that is who he is.

So I repented and showed him this. Needless to say he was in awe.

Marie

30th May 2012, 19:24

Cerridwen… I'm a little late but I want to acknowledge your ‘rant’ post here. When I read this I thought ‘yes! I know this frustration well’ so thank you for sharing. In honoring sui generis in all of us, our purposes in being on this planet are not going to look the same. The ‘peaceful warrior' feels good to me. I worked for a man in my early 20’s that had recently retired from being the Police Chief of the huge city where I live. He was a beautiful man with a quick smile. He walked in one day and said almost word for word what you expressed in your post. He said ”So many people assume that because you are kind that you are a pushover or weak. They are so wrong.” and shook his head. I cannot tell you how many times I received that kind of feedback in previous years and at this point, ok... it will not stop me from being me and I honor you being you. Sometimes I have to let go of the expectation of being understood.

http://www.freewebs.com/samsimillia/goddess_gaia.jpg

I saw this a couple of weeks ago and thought of the pub and in the spirit of physicality and movement and freedom...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0473odlT40

Fred Steeves

30th May 2012, 20:44

I saw this a couple of weeks ago and thought of the pub and in the spirit of physicality and movement and freedom...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0473odlT40

Hi Marie, this is a great analogy of how to free the mind as well. Just let go. I was never a very good skydiver, definately not like these folks.(LOL) But I'll tell you what, every time I tossed my fate up to the four winds and 'let go' of that plane, it felt like leaping into another dimension. A dimension of total freedom...For about a minute anyway...:)

They have a very appropriate saying: "Skydivers know why the birds sing".

Cheers,
Fred

Borden

30th May 2012, 21:04

JB9piNY5-Mc

A very clever, energetic operator told me, many years ago, that in the energetic, archetypal realms, I strongly reminded him of a character from the book 'Dune'. We had wonderful conversations about that, and what it meant to both of us, and how the magnificence of creation allows for everything. Many years later I revisit that mythos, and am about to read the book again, and I find that - as with all the most interesting people in our lives - there is a new understanding that shows you what time really is. Time is a vantage point. No wiser than you, however it looks.

Everything that you will ever learn ... everything that you will ever realize - is something that you already knew.

Dennis Leahy

30th May 2012, 21:47

The amazing "parkour" made me think of wingsuit jumpers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaMTSOI1Zk4
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaMTSOI1Zk4

If I was 40 years younger, and still thought I was invincible, I'd try this.

:~)

Dennis

Alekahn

30th May 2012, 22:13

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Speaking of movement and freedom...and time...
the vantage points are shifting so swiftly these days.
Sacred days these are.

~Venus transit upcoming June 5-6~ (for those not aware).
Much is happening on the 'world stage' over the next few days.
No surprise there, but this transit holds much significance...
for the Maya, the Dogon and many other indigenous
and aboriginal peoples who have maintained and nurtured
their inner connections to and relationship with
the stars and planets above. The Divine Feminine, Lilith,
a lunar eclipse and much else...big days ahead :cool:.

For us as well. Astronomically it is considered a rare event.
Astrologically it is powerful. Esoterically speaking, with any mind
whatsoever towards a 'conspiracy' oriented view of certain
current global conditions in which we all are in the thick of...
~this is an especially active time~ on all levels occult.
An epicenter of which is in the UK...impeccable timing they have...
with a certain Royal family :tsk: and a...(Diamond)jublilee of sorts.
Then...the Olympics ;) (And here in America,
the usual warring, death, destruction and profit.) :tsk:

As above, so below...they say.

(For an alternative view of potential activity on these days, see this site:
http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/transit_ritual_2012.html)
(then again...it may be nothing.)

Sui generis...sovereign beings we are ('know thyself')...
body/soul and spirit. The time is now. Remember thy true self.
The task at hand and in heart it is.
Enjoy the dance. And the skydiving!
Don't forget...to look up at our star.

"All is well" (Jorr)

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Cerridwen

30th May 2012, 22:15

A very clever, energetic operator told me, many years ago, that in the energetic, archetypal realms, I strongly reminded him of a character from the book 'Dune'. We had wonderful conversations about that, and what it meant to both of us, and how the magnificence of creation allows for everything. Many years later I revisit that mythos, and am about to read the book again, and I find that - as with all the most interesting people in our lives - there is a new understanding that shows you what time really is. Time is a vantage point. No wiser than you, however it looks.

Everything that you will ever learn ... everything that you will ever realize - is something that you already knew.

I've always wanted to read that book, but never picked it up. Since you mentioned it, I just ordered it. Thanks for the reminder. :) Right now I'm reading A Stranger in a Strange Land, it's interesting...

For my American friends who like to read, there's a really cool site called PaperBackSwap.com, http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php that allows you to trade books with strangers for just the price of postage. It's a great way to pick up old, out of print books, titles that aren't on Kindle or ones that you just don't want to pay full price for. And you get to recycle books that you either didn't like or just don't want to keep around forever. I won't blather on about the site anymore, but if anyone wants to know more about it, just PM me. I love it.

Cerridwen

30th May 2012, 22:22

The skydiving theme is back. Ya know, the flying part looks amazing and fun, but it's the crashing/landing part that terrifies the crap out of me.;)

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 22:22

Songsy, the clips you posted made me think of this, and I'm posting it because not only is the guy Bond is chasing really good at this stuff and impressive, but because I love how Bond does it his way. His way is clunky, brute strength, and quite hurty ... but he is a quintessential utilitarianist. There's always a different approach. There's a particularly good example of this at about the four minute mark, which makes me laugh.

It was the part that made *me* laugh too, like Indiana Jones pulling the gun on the ferocious sword wielding guy. :D

Cerridwen

30th May 2012, 22:25

Those videos are really cool by the way.

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Songsy, the clips you posted made me think of this, and I'm posting it because not only is the guy Bond is chasing really good at this stuff and impressive, but because I love how Bond does it his way. His way is clunky, brute strength, and quite hurty ... but he is a quintessential utilitarianist. There's always a different approach. There's a particularly good example of this at about the four minute mark, which makes me laugh.

It was the part that made *me* laugh too, like Indiana Jones pulling the gun on the ferocious sword wielding guy. :D

That was one of the best parts of the movie.

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 22:26

The amazing "parkour" made me think of wingsuit jumpers:

If I was 40 years younger, and still thought I was invincible, I'd try this.

:~)

Dennis

Your frequency signal is definitely 40 years younger and your smile is too, does that help? :)

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 22:41

Those videos are really cool by the way.

In an energetic sense, that's where I'm at right now- not that skilled and getting there.

It was the part that made *me* laugh too, like Indiana Jones pulling the gun on the ferocious sword wielding guy. :D

That was one of the best parts of the movie.

I had an experience last night in the energetic realms regarding the controllers trying to enforce some of the patenting on my physical avatar. It went something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsYJrGb_yI&feature=related

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/298/d/5/d54a1076f9b1e27fef199e6e860dfefe.jpghttp://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/065/2/c/forest_guardian_by_aditya777-d4rw59m.jpg

Borden

30th May 2012, 22:53

So Songsy learns to negotiate. See, Borden's way of doing things isn't quite so bad after all, is it? Heh heh.

Alekahn's clip was brilliant, and it made me think of Bob. I don't do demonisation, Bob, and none of my affection towards you was false.

Cerridwen, I hope you love 'Dune'. I think it's an amazing book. One of those books that will stay with you forever.

Cerridwen

30th May 2012, 22:58

A friend just sent this to me in an email. Do yourself a huge favor and mute the sound while you watch it.:eek:

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In all fairness, I've also seen plenty of idiot male drivers here in LA as well...

songsfortheotherkind

30th May 2012, 23:37

Happy Birthday, my beloved wild horse, my own firstborn, my Krystal. 29 today, it would have been, and you would have had another baby and been complaining about how old you were getting.

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/199/9/0/night_mare_by_vayms-d40hipc.jpg

I hope that wherever you are now, there are horses- you spent your life on horseback, it seems, it would be only right to continue the pattern.

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs20/i/2008/007/2/6/Motherly_by_QueenOfGoldfishes.jpg

There is a shape of you that is forever on my heart. Today I am remembering what it was like to hold your tiny new Self in my arms, so surprised that my body could produce such exquisite perfection. So many wishes I have for you, my darling girl, and I toss them into the sky like birds so that they can find you and land on you like singing butterflies, bearing gifts of love and connection.

http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/7b/99/women,free,girl,random,freedom,hellogoodbye-7b9994a29cd90dcd3ae8ca3d80d77da4_h.jpg

Every day now is a breath of hello and a breath of goodbye. Your little sister is, right now, watching Thumbelina and singing 'life will be wonderful, if you follow your heart'. I think of your own daughter one month younger than the Empress and light years away in another world- watch over your girls, my darling, they're going to need it.

Today is the breath of hello. Now I am living into the space of the memory of nine days: between a day of turning 27 and the day of the goodbye, just nine days. For the next nine days in that frozen world, you are still here. I will be telling you I love you always, because those words are now the signal of my heart, towards all my children: every beat sends the message out into the universe. I love you more now than I did in those first moments of wonder, with us gazing at each other, your tiny fingers holding my own.

I will always feel that.

Dennis Leahy

30th May 2012, 23:45

Songs, thank you for opening a window to your heart and soul. You give us an exquisite gift: You.

Dennis

songsfortheotherkind

31st May 2012, 00:19

So Songsy learns to negotiate. See, Borden's way of doing things isn't quite so bad after all, is it? Heh heh.

*sideways eyed look* You have taught me a lot, absolutely, and this element of me isn't one of those things: I'm actually far more assassin than I appear; it's in a very non-obvious way. I'm not a stalking demi-god, I'm a deadly little shadow. If I wanted to be, I could be Sylar. It's like the Creators say: it's not that one does not know the realm, it's that one knows it and chooses something else. I've been deliberately transforming that Kali energy into a carrier signal of the sui generis: it's what I was interested in all along, I just had to go through a long process of distilling that I haven't talked about here. I have, long ago in previous incarnations, been an angel of death of sorts- it wasn't the best path, given my deepest intention and purpose, which is why I'm so dismissive of signals that carry that energy. I know it goes nowhere.

I have been Kali. She has her moments. It's a blending of Kali, Quan Yin, Aphrodite and Manhattan I'm going for. :)

Anam Cara

31st May 2012, 00:28

I simply asked what could it mean that we ALL have Repitilian brains, a question I asked long before I even heard the word Annunaki. I seemed to of come to an epiphany about it which makes it a lot easier not to be so emotionally reactive and look to my heart instead (the pause that refreshs) for the right thing to do or not do. The range of frequency the reptilian brain has access too is quite low and narrow and usually with limiting emotion as a kneejerk reaction if not diversion. I have gathered this from self observation over time.And time itself is another artificial attribute of the artificial reptilian brain which ties it to the predominant , rational, logical, leftp-brain thinking, which seems to be the way of the mainstream world. Conspiracy theories mean little to none to me unless I feel some verification that doesn't require the reptilian brain or fixed dogma from the left-brain "to prove it". I prefer the language of the Heart Intelligence since it never initially uses words or emotions. I think if there ever was a conspiracy it was to stifle and/or keep us from knowing our own heart intelligence by degrading it to the realm of kneejerk emotional reaction that the reptitlian brain is responsible for not heart intelligence. The Heart even has its own brain and its range of access is not limited like the mind is or the reptilian brain for that matter. The Energetic Heart is the next step in evolution in mastering our emotions and reptilian brain and using our hearts and minds as a whole unit. You can find more information and research done over the decades about the powerful role of the heart in human understanding and unity here: http://www.heartmath.org/templates/ihm/e-newsletter/article/2010/summer/energetic-heart-is-unfolding.php. I find this fascinating and thanks for listening.

songsfortheotherkind

31st May 2012, 00:51

Songs, thank you for opening a window to your heart and soul. You give us an exquisite gift: You.

Dennis

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/094/c/5/heart_of_the_wild_by_zer0nyx-d43gkwq.jpg

We are all wild at heart, here in the Clan of Pub.

Thank you, Dennis.

:)

songsfortheotherkind

31st May 2012, 01:15

Question to ponder:

on whose authority do we have it that the first brain is reptilian? On the basis of what logic is it designated 'reptilian'? Who has created this parameter and for what agenda? The reptile thing is a deception and a misinterpretation. It's also a warm blooded prejudice: who was it that said snakes were evil? Where does that prejudice come from? For the record, I do not consider the first brain reptilian at all, not are the Anunnaki reptilian.

The picture is close to the eyes right now, but you don't get the magic eye effect until you pull it back from your face.

I have been having very very interesting experiences since beginning the dissolving of the biological trademarks. I have also had two very distinct experiences with voices- in one two days ago, the mobile phone was talking to me although there was no call. The interesting thing was triffid couldn't hear the voice.

Last night there were voices distinctly coming from the next room, to the degree that I thought the young dancer had left her DVD player on. Investigation showed the DVD player wasn't even in her room and she was sound asleep. In both instances I have not been able to make out what is being said. I'm now aware that a third incident is imminent and I'll be tuning in with focus. This contact is intentional, I am absolutely aware of that. This is getting interesting: I'm aware that I have some deliberate contact energy being beamed at me. The gates are open, and the Oracle senses intention and purpose so I have my zap mode. It's really energetic.

Dennis Leahy

31st May 2012, 02:09

I never thought the term "reptilian brain" was pejorative. Certain critical, basic functionality stems from there. {hehehehehe}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain

When a reptoid erupts from Dulce and wants to eat my testicles (yet anothe critter after my testicles!), I will need my reptillian brain to even have a chance to not sing soprano while some two-legged velociraptor from hell is munching huevos humanos.

Dennis

Calz

31st May 2012, 02:24

Cerridwen, I hope you love 'Dune'. I think it's an amazing book. One of those books that will stay with you forever.

http://www.lyberty.com/img/dune-cat.jpg

Wow ... the Pub has been quite the happnin place today ... :cantina:

Wanted to extend a greeting to several who posted for the first time and thank you for offering your voices.

:wave:

It does bring home a point I made long ago when we were visiting the options for "Pub Club" and considering moving this all into a private group. Had we done so ... these new voices who have been watching from afar would have been shut out and the opportunity for them to offer their energies in friendship lost forever.

Welcome to the Pub at the End of the Universe :fans:

http://jemsoar.com/Galleries/Resources/Alien__Bar_moo-sb_AlienBar66_1_moo1-1p3_.jpg

Cerridwen

31st May 2012, 03:32

*Hugs Songs*

http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/CerridwenSoap/Pics/Unknown-5-1.jpg

http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/CerridwenSoap/Pics/images-28.jpg

Borden

31st May 2012, 08:07

Well, I don't know if the 'first' brain is actually reptilian or not now. I do know that in my understanding of it and what it does, an awful lot of people seem to be operating from it while sophisticating and complexifying its considerations into the illusion of civilization. Resources, territoriality, dominance, etc. Look at this world! The other thing I'm confident on as regards this subject is that me and Dennis wish to protect our sweetmeats, and so whatever works is in, and if it helps us sprint in the opposite direction from whatever erupts from Dulce, we're not arguing with it.

I second Calz's welcome to new posters. I'm glad we didn't become a private group.

Songsy, all my love.

Calz

31st May 2012, 09:36

... and from what I've gleaned from Songsy,

there's a world of difference between the Anunnaki and A nun.

[Forgive me Borden for I must apologize for my keyboard losing control and deleting a "the" and adding a space in your quote ... so I could have a little fun ... you know me.]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RMmVgRBLSVo/SSPYOTbZciI/AAAAAAAAEKU/6o6hhF8DSf8/s400/0nun1.jpg

... all kidding around aside ...

I truly do appreciate those who have been sharing their Anunnaki experiences. Obviously Songsie has really been puttin' it out there ... but others as well.

I just wanted to say "thank you" and elaborate that the reason I have not replied more directly to those types of posts was due to what Fred alluded to wonderfully in a post ... being able to directly interact with the author(s) of a book.

Who really needs books any more, when you can personally interact with the types of people that write them

I have little doubt my "other selves" romping around the multiverse would have a lot to offer ... but since I cannot say something directly from (recollected) experience it is best to stay silent in the spirit of the authentic nature of what is being shared.

Cal

PS - my first option on an image of a nun would have required many "hail marys" and "forgive me father for I have sinned" ... so I took the safe route for a change :dirol:

Alekahn

31st May 2012, 10:17

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Swan

31st May 2012, 11:21

I'm glad we didn't become a private group.

I am too. I have gotten used to having my mind melted on a regular basis.

Fred Steeves

31st May 2012, 13:20

When a reptoid erupts from Dulce and wants to eat my testicles (yet anothe critter after my testicles!)

Damn Dennis, you poor guy. I'd invest in a good sturdy cup if I were you brother.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/nod.gif

Borden

31st May 2012, 13:49

How's this for some Sui Generis?

I love the difference and the familiarity.

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Fred Steeves

31st May 2012, 15:31

Today is the breath of hello. Now I am living into the space of the memory of nine days: between a day of turning 27 and the day of the goodbye, just nine days. For the next nine days in that frozen world, you are still here. I will be telling you I love you always, because those words are now the signal of my heart, towards all my children: every beat sends the message out into the universe. I love you more now than I did in those first moments of wonder, with us gazing at each other, your tiny fingers holding my own.

I will always feel that.

Hi Songsy, I'll be there with you, holding your hand for these nine days. Your bravery is as beautiful as your big heart.

Cheers,
Fred

1inMany

31st May 2012, 18:30

Thank you for not becoming a private group.

Much Love,

Marie

31st May 2012, 21:27

Songs, I don't know what Krystal was like but I saw this and thought of her and you today.

I wish you peace this week. ♥

nVWYMl2yg1E

Katyani

31st May 2012, 22:29

Songs, you are in my thoughts today, and the days ahead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0TQ97TCTKY&feature=related

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 01:05

Last night my second son and I went out for Krystal's birthday: we had Thai (during which I was attacked by a random chilli that found its way into my soup, which it wasn't supposed to be in, so I spent five minutes being burned to the billy-o) and then we went and saw Avengers for the second time. This time I didn't have the Empress with me so I actually got to see the film and we laughed at all the awesome goodness. My favorite line is still the Shakespeare in the Park remark before Thor and Tony fight- "Does mother know that you doth wear her drapes?". Tony has all the best lines. He's that kind of guy. I did appreciate Mark Ruffalo's Banner much more this time.

My son and I talked about his sister. There was trance music playing in the theatre before the film and I laughed because I could see her dancing down the front, having a great time: it was one of the things we shared a love for, wild dancing. Another was breakneck speed bareback horse riding, although we never got to ride together. We had so much in common and so little time to discover that. She had the wildest imagination ever which often didn't serve her well and then sometimes created the most amazing and wondrous situations and stories.

http://songsfortheotherkind.com/bears_on_her_head.jpg

Here she is three and entertaining my Self and some friends with a very involved and animated story about the bears that were having a picnic in her hair. The bears in her hair. It's a children's story I eventually want to create in her memory and actually have printed so that her daughters have something of her.

Fred Steeves

1st June 2012, 01:18

She looks just like you

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 02:36

She looks just like you

*wry grin* she was- as she became a teenager that irked her no end. She spent a great deal of time trying to be utterly unlike me- I can remember one of her early teen rages at me regarding how she thought I should be less 'freaky hippy wierdo tripper' and more

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zxyuebfAMkM/TONP58Xyf8I/AAAAAAAAAmM/Ha8sdtty-ZU/s1600/1950s-kitchen.jpg

so she ran away from home and lived in the forest in tipis and bush sheds, and grew her own food and had three little forest fairy daughters and rode her horses bareback and grew her hair down to her waist and took 50,000 photos of her chickens, ducks, dogs, cats, kids, drums and the creatures of the forest. :P The number of photos may be slightly exaggerated. In the last email she ever sent me she said that she felt that she'd lived more life in her 27 years than many experience in 80.

She wasn't wrong. :)

Fred Steeves

1st June 2012, 03:15

In the last email she ever sent me she said that she felt that she'd lived more life in her 27 years than many experience in 80.

She wasn't wrong. :)

I look forward to crossing Krystal's path at some point, and yours as well Songs. Aw hell, it's likely we're all already familiar on a deeper level here, but in the meantime, it sounds like Krystal did what it is we're doing here in this strange place better than most...

I doubt I'm alone in holding your hand still for several more days dear lady...:)...Even the strongest of us needs a shoulder to cry/laugh on sometimes.

Dennis Leahy

1st June 2012, 04:05

http://www.equidynamicsmassageandtraining.com/images/horse-beach.jpg

Dennis

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 06:26

Borden told me a little about the Bene Gesserit from Dune. He said that my journey with the B12 poisoning reminded him of the spice agony that a candidate goes through in order to become a reverend mother of the Bene Gesserit order.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_of_Life_%28Dune%29

The Bene Gesserit test their acolytes by feeding them the Water of Life in a ritual known as the spice agony (other poisons had been used before the discovery of the Water of Life on Arrakis). A skilled adept is able to transmute the poison safely within her body and becomes a Reverend Mother. Failure means death. The process also unlocks Other Memory, which gives Reverend Mothers access to the memories and personalities of their female ancestors.

This is really, really interesting to me. Borden was talking with me about it and I kept quizzing him because the energy was poking me in the direction of it. I've been pondering and puzzling over it ever since. This resulted in something really, really interesting last night on my way home from my evening out with my son (who is currently staying with me).

I have scars on my lungs from repeated illness as a child, which sometimes results in me experiencing bouts of knifing type pains in one or the other lung, which is excruciating and makes every breath agony. I started having an episode as we were driving home and after a few minutes of hitching my breath and trying to breath into the pain I started mapping what was going on in my lungs. What I ran into was a MASS of patent type codes on the injuries in my lungs.

I spent some time moving energy around in my lung to see if I could do anything with the pain and the effect was minimal. So I decided to see what happened if I pointed Firstborn, sui generis energy at it.

Instant cessation of pain.

I then came home and have been exploring the various levels of genetic and cellular patterning. Here's what I'm discovering.

In order to get free of the contracts, I need to clean out my family history- by this I mean end the connection to the idea that these individuals are the source of my genetic codes and patternings. No, no they are not. This is really, really important for me to get. I see the idea within me that I am somehow encoded with these individuals as a grey film over my cells and when I looked closer, they were nothing more than code- and I can dissolve that code. I'm doing it, in real time, with things that have been causing me issues for most of my life, physically.

It doesn't just go to the physical though: all the virus inspired thoughts etc are nothing more than code that sits over the top of the shining, true autonomy and sui generis underneath. It's the lie that the Matrix was telling us about, the code, the bar code- all this hysteria over the microchips when they are already there. The issue isn't the *obvious* actions that are being done by the controllers, the issue is doing something about it now, within us.

It's not 'out there, in the future, this happening and that not happening', it's now, in us, tihs call to the evolution is on a biological level. For me, this is where it's at. This is what I'm focusing on. Balls to bone, the Oracle said, and I am finding this to be true. I cannot achieve superbeing biology if I don't *own* my biology, if some other authority is telling me what I can and can't be, what I can and can't think.

I just had the most amazing experience, so amazing that I'm still processing it and I can't write about it yet. I'll write soon and it was about meeting another sui generis Being. Astoundingly perfect.

Calz

1st June 2012, 08:10

Music time ... can't do that at work ... and I have *TIME* to do that now.

From my own prison at work to my few days off "freedom" ...

iBBqjGd3fHQ

Jailbreak ...

J2HbfVQ13bg

Borden

1st June 2012, 08:28

This dissolving of contracts is such an interesting business, Songsy. I'd post the whole passage in the book where Jessica transforms the water of life, but it's quite long, and I'm an ignoramus about copyright and so forth, and I wouldn't want to inadvertently annoy Frank Herbert's spirit. He's one of my heroes after all.

I don't know how much you've looked into it yet, but in the story, Jessica changes the powerful substance not only in herself, but in the vessel from which she sips it. Her saliva changes it. When it's changed, the Fremen people partake, and it produces an opiate, orgiastic effect. Only women can do this, and when they do, they are able to look down the corridors of their ancestry at a cellular level. The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

I know this might smack of masculine dominance, and the book was indeed written in another age, before I was born (eek!), but that isn't my take on it. Frank Herbert wrote amazing, powerful female characters, and Paul's story is just one in the larger story. I haven't started to re-read the book yet, but I'm itching to find out what I see that I didn't see before.

When I was reading about your experience with your lungs I thought of a problem I've had since I was twenty, and wondered if I could try the same thing. Then I had the odd realization that this problem began within about a month of my first (awestruck) reading of 'Dune'. They're called 'cluster' headaches, and so called because they come in clusters. They're not migraines - they're hurtier than those. With me, they last between about two and four hours, and the pain literally feels as though someone has a rusty knife in my eye and is slowly twisting it. I've been known to Sith out on such occasions, and make good friends run away because they saw in my eyes that I might kill them if they continued to ask what they could do for me. Luckily, my good friends are really good friends and they understand me. I wondered if I might be being a girl's blouse about the level of pain until I finally saw a specialist a couple of years ago, and he told me about some semi-mystical pain chart they have. We laughed about it, because it's like those trump cards ... "my pain beats your pain", haha - but he told me I can confidently hold my trump card high even in the presence of those who know how hurty childbirth can sometimes be. Doctors call them 'suicide headaches' for a good but awful reason. I haven't had a 'cluster' for a year or two now, but when next I do, I will be looking for contracts. Trouble is, that level of pain is not one conducive to quiet contemplation.

I'm glad you saw more in Ruffalo's Banner. I think he's lovely. As for Tony Stark ... no-one else could mouth off to a Norse god like that! Part of his charm. Without giving anything away for anyone who hasn't seen it (is there anyone left?), there's a scene right near the end where Tony is somewhat supine, and me and my brother both fell about. He's utterly brilliant.

I want to read about 'the bears in her hair'. You're both beautiful. I also want to proclaim, while imagining anyone gives a sh!t, that I'm really glad of the unfamiliar 'faces' in this thread recently. Then there are more familiar ones, Fred and Dennis, who are both lovelies in my estimation, and I'm very glad they're with us.

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 10:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFo6kmMZr3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5vQP_RFccY&feature=related

Zebra

1st June 2012, 11:02

... So I decided to see what happened if I pointed Firstborn, sui generis energy at it.

That is an epiphanous moment, Songs. You knew what to do. Where does that knowledge come from, eh? I like to think that Krystal, your daughter, was one of your guides in this because it was her birthday. At a higher level, together you and her are brewing some interesting pathways to explore and widen. I say this, because I really believe that I have conferences with souls that are my kin - there are some I don´t know but I know they are kin of another kind, still putting these pieces together. Interesting however, it is often when I am just about to say to a crisis, after bleeding (metaphorically) all over the place that *I am over it, get in there and finish this bugger*

Instant cessation of pain.

WOW. Evidence. There in real time. How much better can it get? I am excited. The moment you syncronised with this knowledge and placed it in your body. Ba boom!

I then came home and have been exploring the various levels of genetic and cellular patterning. Here's what I'm discovering.

In order to get free of the contracts, I need to clean out my family history- by this I mean end the connection to the idea that these individuals are the source of my genetic codes and patternings. No, no they are not. This is really, really important for me to get. I see the idea within me that I am somehow encoded with these individuals as a grey film over my cells and when I looked closer, they were nothing more than code- and I can dissolve that code. I'm doing it, in real time, with things that have been causing me issues for most of my life, physically.

Do you think that these codes are essences of pain/drama that belongs only to the physical body of this life only? Is this the sui generis learning how to evacuate all programming?

It doesn't just go to the physical though: all the virus inspired thoughts etc are nothing more than code that sits over the top of the shining, true autonomy and sui generis underneath. It's the lie that the Matrix was telling us about, the code, the bar code- all this hysteria over the microchips when they are already there. The issue isn't the *obvious* actions that are being done by the controllers, the issue is doing something about it now, within us.

For me, thoughts are connected to the physical being and the experiences, each field feeds the other and keeps it locked down. Even with programs that could be implanted by controllers, they become a part of the morass of fields that are serving the human instrument and conversely the vision and mission of the matrix.

*looking at you with great interest .. you are getting close :cool:

It's not 'out there, in the future, this happening and that not happening', it's now, in us, tihs call to the evolution is on a biological level. For me, this is where it's at. This is what I'm focusing on. Balls to bone, the Oracle said, and I am finding this to be true. I cannot achieve superbeing biology if I don't *own* my biology, if some other authority is telling me what I can and can't be, what I can and can't think.

Superbeing biology? Why not? That is the ultimate goal of healing. This is medical intuition doing some serious work here - and the truth is bare in your face. You can only heal yourself - make yourself heal and whole. A useful bit of programming from way back says it more perfectly: If you want a job done, you have got to do it yourself.

I just had the most amazing experience, so amazing that I'm still processing it and I can't write about it yet. I'll write soon and it was about meeting another sui generis Being. Astoundingly perfect.

I have no idea if I make sense with my response here, but something is ticking over for me. Oooh, what is in store here?

Thank you :kiss:

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 11:35

This dissolving of contracts is such an interesting business, Songsy. ... I don't know how much you've looked into it yet, but in the story, Jessica changes the powerful substance not only in herself, but in the vessel from which she sips it. Her saliva changes it. When it's changed, the Fremen people partake, and it produces an opiate, orgiastic effect.

I've read about that. Can't remember what it's called, but I read about the ritual. I'm also familiar with the process that is being described: to me it is connected to the thing of being able to get one's signal pure enough to be able to pass it on via touch, or loading an object with one's energy. I know this is possible and even the anunnaki bible references it. There's a lot of stuff in there that's so close to the mark it actually is making me laugh these days. It's like I said about the djinni- clever, so clever.

Only women can do this, and when they do, they are able to look down the corridors of their ancestry at a cellular level.

Yes, I'm getting this- finding it concurrently with the Dune information was not accidental at all. There are many new levels of exploration in this genetics/history thing that I'm going into now. I am very sure of getting the signal clear- this individual I met today and I tuned each other up the scale almost without thought. We were aware it was happening. It was utterly awesome.

The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

This is where the story goes pear shaped for me- the suggestion that a man could look into the feminine but the feminine couldn't look into the masculine. Blah blah blah. The poles again, when there are so many more interesting shades and facets than that: I have loved a woman who had male genitalia because she used to be a man and decided that she didn't need to cut off her penis in order to be a 'real' woman. The extreme expression thing isn't my deal: I much prefer all the infinite shades of slide in between the extremes. :)

We laughed about it, because it's like those trump cards ... "my pain beats your pain", haha - but he told me I can confidently hold my trump card high even in the presence of those who know how hurty childbirth can sometimes be.

I can confidently dismiss this because until it's one who has both experienced the cluster headaches AND childbirth expressing an opinion, everything else is a male doctor's erroneous supposition. It's why men have no business at births except as supporters and holders of the space. I have no idea what a prostrate problem - or the sensation of an erection- would feel like and wouldn't presume to say I did; why men feel they can confidently blither on about birth I have no idea. It's a subtle diminishment on the part of the male medical profession- and the over yang masculine energy as a whole, I've observed, this owning women's experiences.

I haven't had a 'cluster' for a year or two now, but when next I do, I will be looking for contracts. Trouble is, that level of pain is not one conducive to quiet contemplation.

I'm really glad you haven't had one for ages. It *is* possible to sniff out the contracts by using an internal avatar to go into the space for you- an energetic avatar can explore the pain without the physical body having to participate. It's a great tool.

I want to read about 'the bears in her hair'. You're both beautiful.

*sideways eyed smile* thank you: once upon a time, I had my moments, as did she. I am now firmly in the hag realm, and I kind of like it here- I get to wear these for a start... *shakes horns gently*

I also want to proclaim, while imagining anyone gives a sh!t, that I'm really glad of the unfamiliar 'faces' in this thread recently. Then there are more familiar ones, Fred and Dennis, who are both lovelies in my estimation, and I'm very glad they're with us.

This is so true. :)

Zebra

1st June 2012, 12:14

I wouldn't want to inadvertently annoy Frank Herbert's spirit. He's one of my heroes after all.

I have got to pick this Frank up and read him! I am behind, too much time looking at re runs of old TV shows in the last few days. My, it is good to get back to the pub with all you fine and cultured siths, tea and tincture witches, horny headed, blue skinned and other kinds. I love you all :o

I don't know how much you've looked into it yet, but in the story, Jessica changes the powerful substance not only in herself, but in the vessel from which she sips it. Her saliva changes it. When it's changed, the Fremen people partake, and it produces an opiate, orgiastic effect. Only women can do this, and when they do, they are able to look down the corridors of their ancestry at a cellular level. The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

This sounds a perfect parable - it is like a treasure map. You are connecting the dots on fire here Borden. I feel like that I am reading the study notes before I have read the book: ''Borden's Dune Primer'' *Giggles* I was a very poor student in my teens, I did this at school too :der:

Now I am nerd. Which is worse?

I know this might smack of masculine dominance, and the book was indeed written in another age, before I was born (eek!), but that isn't my take on it. Frank Herbert wrote amazing, powerful female characters, and Paul's story is just one in the larger story. I haven't started to re-read the book yet, but I'm itching to find out what I see that I didn't see before.

When I was reading about your experience with your lungs I thought of a problem I've had since I was twenty, and wondered if I could try the same thing. Then I had the odd realization that this problem began within about a month of my first (awestruck) reading of 'Dune'. They're called 'cluster' headaches, and so called because they come in clusters. They're not migraines - they're hurtier than those. With me, they last between about two and four hours, and the pain literally feels as though someone has a rusty knife in my eye and is slowly twisting it. I've been known to Sith out on such occasions, and make good friends run away because they saw in my eyes that I might kill them if they continued to ask what they could do for me. Luckily, my good friends are really good friends and they understand me. I wondered if I might be being a girl's blouse about the level of pain until I finally saw a specialist a couple of years ago, and he told me about some semi-mystical pain chart they have. We laughed about it, because it's like those trump cards ... "my pain beats your pain", haha - but he told me I can confidently hold my trump card high even in the presence of those who know how hurty childbirth can sometimes be. Doctors call them 'suicide headaches' for a good but awful reason. I haven't had a 'cluster' for a year or two now, but when next I do, I will be looking for contracts. Trouble is, that level of pain is not one conducive to quiet contemplation.

This is good S#it. You are dot connecting on fire, here. What you write tells me: *All pain is related* Yes, yes. YES. That´s what is coming up for me. Through different dimensions of our be ing, we collect and re-distribute. Even when Songs talks about her particular pain, you are prompted to start thinking more deeply about the source of your pains. Those suicide headaches, I have never heard this term - but I think I have had a few - but your telling reminds me to check in with my own. Whatever the reason, I think it is very important. One of my teachers - who introduced the field of medical intuition to me - said something which has resonated with me for the last four years. She would demonstrate how deeply interconnected our systems are - just by her mentioning/or naming a part of the body, a knee and organ, a pain somewhere or a dis ease, what is happening for you when you hear this? Point is, where you visualise where your pain is, the knowledge is already there and you have to ask why and then trust the first thought that enters your body mind and move with it - as it will eventually lead you to make choices on how to heal it. The idea of course is, sure, you can take a pound of pain killers to deal with the pain, to dull and smooth it out. But it does not stop it from returning. I know I am probably repeating stuff here, but I think we all need reminding.

Oh, and before I get off this topic for now, the other thing that sparked me about having those kind of head aches is the connection to them being the precursor - for some - to let off /unplug the crown chakra and kundalini. A pain would start in my third eye area and my teacher would see this as I started to rub my forehead - she was like a radar - next minute she would be crossing a room to sit or stand beside me and say: it´s ok, you can let it go. Which also means, what is there is no longer serving you. My mind is thinking it knows everything, but it does´nt. It is presiding over making a decision, probably thinking whatever is coming up through my spine, is still useful. But really I have given my mind total control, which is compounded by my mind´s contract with the matrix. The head ache is my mind holding onto the fear of myself exposing itself. Don´t you love it? ;)

Letting it go, these consciously, unknown entities is an experience for me, I have spoke languages that are so ancient, it will take some exploration to map where they came from, but I was advised that it doesn´t matter, the detail that is - in other words, let go!

I'm glad you saw more in Ruffalo's Banner. I think he's lovely. As for Tony Stark ... no-one else could mouth off to a Norse god like that! Part of his charm. Without giving anything away for anyone who hasn't seen it (is there anyone left?), there's a scene right near the end where Tony is somewhat supine, and me and my brother both fell about. He's utterly brilliant.

Go see The Avengers. Get a life Zebra! Another reason to order my mind to the office and fire it

I want to read about 'the bears in her hair'. You're both beautiful. I also want to proclaim, while imagining anyone gives a sh!t, that I'm really glad of the unfamiliar 'faces' in this thread recently. Then there are more familiar ones, Fred and Dennis, who are both lovelies in my estimation, and I'm very glad they're with us.

The bears in the hair story - I agree - conjures up so much. What a special family. I also want to thank Songs for showing us that beautiful photo.

*Hope all you newbies here at the pub continue coming*
:cantina::cantina::cantina::cantina:

Carmody

1st June 2012, 12:41

I don't know how much you've looked into it yet, but in the story, Jessica changes the powerful substance not only in herself, but in the vessel from which she sips it. Her saliva changes it. When it's changed, the Fremen people partake, and it produces an opiate, orgiastic effect. Only women can do this, and when they do, they are able to look down the corridors of their ancestry at a cellular level. The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

I know this might smack of masculine dominance, and the book was indeed written in another age, before I was born (eek!), but that isn't my take on it. Frank Herbert wrote amazing, powerful female characters, and Paul's story is just one in the larger story. I haven't started to re-read the book yet, but I'm itching to find out what I see that I didn't see before.

Frank was indicating that they had been breeding for, what was it, more than a few thousand years, in order to produce an offspring that was 'barely', in the genetic sense, male, but female. Not an uber male but one that had the sensitivity of the female but could peer down, through time, into the male side of lineage. Via being imbibed with the female capacity.

Herbert was apparently indicating that he was trying to insert some form of similar sensitivity into the male side of the duality, but that according to their understanding, the overall genetics indicated that it had to come from the female side of the genetic systems, it had to be born out of the female side.

Paul was not supposed to be born, his mother, lady Jessica, was to have a female child. Thus, for them, according to their breeding program ....Paul Atredies was never to have been born. This was a culmination point of their breeding program and he came one generation too soon, and was outside of their expectations and outside of their carefully laid plans, regarding control and positioning.

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 13:24

That is an epiphanous moment, Songs. You knew what to do. Where does that knowledge come from, eh?

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/r3Pqd8Zv9Io/hqdefault.jpg

It comes from the I Am within me, and my finding my way back to that signal via the love and connection that I experience from many Beings in the Otherrealms, fortified by some of the connections I'm making here in this realm. I am living into the unfolding of what I am. I've always known these things, finding my way back to the beginning. The breadcrumb trail was probably not a good idea, considering the amount of crows about...

I like to think that Krystal, your daughter, was one of your guides in this because it was her birthday. At a higher level, together you and her are brewing some interesting pathways to explore and widen.

My girl is part of a different story. I know that. She is the only one who has never come to me in my dreams: she was here because of her connection to her father's story, not mine: I was the bridge that she needed. I'm utterly ok with that role. :)

I say this, because I really believe that I have conferences with souls that are my kin - there are some I don´t know but I know they are kin of another kind, still putting these pieces together.

Lots of things are becoming revealed now. I know I'm on a path that is calling to me ever more: part of my backbrain is constantly directed at the dissolving of the contracts on every level- I'm turning into something that a lot of individuals aren't going to like, simply because dissolving the contracts means I don't have to play by their rules, which are the rules most individuals play by, and those rules are becoming utterly meaningless to me. I knew when I accidentally poisoned my Self that something huge was happening, even though it was a horrible doorway; I'm intending to do it again soon, a different way and lower dose, to explore the space more. I can access information in that space that is utterly devoid of human. It's a revelation on a molecular and energetic level: I just need to find the poison level that gives me the doorway without the rampant horns and fangs feeling.

This is where Nuada comes in- the real Nuada energy, not the stupid intentionally loaded interpretation of him. I am using that signal to help me identify some of the ones I'm coming across. I am aware of all the arguing about my perspectives that some want to engage in- there's nothing interesting at all in arguing. Co-creation or peacefully going our separate ways. Nuada's experience is yet another example of the futility in engaging with those who don't want to co-create.

Instant cessation of pain.

WOW. Evidence. There in real time. How much better can it get? I am excited. The moment you syncronised with this knowledge and placed it in your body. Ba boom!

yes. That's what I'm interested in: what works, what transforms, what brings teh sui generis and evolution into the physicality beyond the contracts and constrictions. We are our own Neo's, always have been- I'm interested in those that are interested in taking up the exploration rather than bogging in the old extinction patterns. I am aware of this signal that I'm working with- nothing else interests me, now.

I then came home and have been exploring the various levels of genetic and cellular patterning. Here's what I'm discovering.

In order to get free of the contracts, I need to clean out my family history- by this I mean end the connection to the idea that these individuals are the source of my genetic codes and patternings. No, no they are not. This is really, really important for me to get. I see the idea within me that I am somehow encoded with these individuals as a grey film over my cells and when I looked closer, they were nothing more than code- and I can dissolve that code. I'm doing it, in real time, with things that have been causing me issues for most of my life, physically.

]Do you think that these codes are essences of pain/drama that belongs only to the physical body of this life only? Is this the sui generis learning how to evacuate all programming?

Not this life only, absolutely: this is the clearing of ALL programming and I'm experiencing it- I'm seeing my Self within a stream of information that changes color and uncouples from me as I go through this process. The idea of connection and disconnection is part of the programming, because without the disconnect we know who we are and what we are doing here- the rest is the fiction, the matrix illusion. All our avatar expressions flow back into themselves- it's the beginning of the comfortability with the multiverse, this allowing the multiple threads of 'us' to meet in this experience while recognising that we're *also* in other places simultaneously. Clearing the spiritual Monsanto codes here cause so many ripple effects that it changes everything, like the time travel issues I was writing about earlier.

I can hold so many elements in my hands and weave them together; I get this undertaking that I am living into. I am willing to be whatever catalyst I need to be for my Self. :)

It doesn't just go to the physical though: all the virus inspired thoughts etc are nothing more than code that sits over the top of the shining, true autonomy and sui generis underneath. It's the lie that the Matrix was telling us about, the code, the bar code- all this hysteria over the microchips when they are already there. The issue isn't the *obvious* actions that are being done by the controllers, the issue is doing something about it now, within us.

For me, thoughts are connected to the physical being and the experiences, each field feeds the other and keeps it locked down. Even with programs that could be implanted by controllers, they become a part of the morass of fields that are serving the human instrument and conversely the vision and mission of the matrix.

The mirror and the evolution are NEVER absent- everything is interlinked, always; there is no anunnaki without a need and a space for anunnaki energetically and in service to the evolution, just like one of the theories is that there was a need for a comet to shift the energy of the evolution and transform the energy of those that could no longer evolve.

So many elements I'm trying to point to simultaneously: the evolution signal of a multiverse that seeks to become ever more complex and able to more deeply and finely investigate itself, the way this signal responds to the blocks it comes up against, the way that it seeks the balancing and answering energy to best serve that purpose and process, the way that all energy is interlinked, the way that our own blocks call to the answering energies so that we can learn how the signal needs to refine in order to carry the evolution further: it's not locked down, it's precisely as it is because that's where the evolution has log jammed and we're experiencing both the result and the solution to the situation simultaneously. Most look to the log jam and hindsight all over it; others look at the energy and the elements and work out which log needs to be kicked to unlock the whole mess. The latter are truly rare and are generally loathed because the ensuing tumble looks like a disaster: to hindsighters, a logjam is at least jammed, the energy is not moving in any way and thus the unknown isn't presenting itself.

The nature of evolution cannot NOT be present- remember Jeff Goldblum's remark in Jurassic Park: "life will *always* find a way"- and so the virus itself mutates and learns- we experience that both micro within us and macro on the world stage. The interlocking thoughtnests are part of this. The virus feeds on that which has no answer to it, and so the programs become interlocked with other programs and the co-creation elements express themselves in less beneficial- and ultimately life ending- forms. The diseased expressions of the co-creation and evolution that the virus produces do not carry the true sui generis and Life energy and they are doomed to always express the decaying underbelly of the control and domination foundations that the virus is built on.

There will never be Life in that system. The evidence of this is in the behaviours- 'by their fruits you will know them'- and anything that preaches heteronomy in even its most subtle and finest expressions will eventually be the fertile ground for endless putrescent empires and those who would be next petty king of the death bringers. Always, these thought forms bring death in their wake: death of the mind, the heart, the spirit, the sui generis, the planet, the signal- and yet, all this display of force is undone by a simple awakening within to the Firstborn nature and signal that has always been ours. We are always, and have always been, the Beloved of our own Self: that is what the anunnaki system is there to reflect and support the learning of and it is willing to escalate the lessons as far as necessary in order to both be the mirror and the means of its own extinction. It has known for thousands of years that it is doomed.

As for my own knowing, I am slowly rising to my feet, my heart signal beating with a great frequency that is scattering the genetic prisons left and right. I am aware that I'm getting tremendous energetic support from the Otherrealms.

*looking at you with great interest .. you are getting close :cool:

*grinning at you* Yes, yes I am.

Superbeing biology? Why not? That is the ultimate goal of healing. This is medical intuition doing some serious work here - and the truth is bare in your face. You can only heal yourself - make yourself heal and whole. A useful bit of programming from way back says it more perfectly: If you want a job done, you have got to do it yourself.

Yes. Who can love me absolutely, but me? Who can truly know my experience but me? Why would I wish to do anything but observe and connect with the Art that another is expressing from their sui generis: who can say 'this is greater or lesser than that'? We are utterly our own healers and guides; the parable of the talents speaks of this great intuition and signal we've been given to guide our greatest evolution- what are we prepared to do with it? Expand into it, or contract with others to do our evolving for us and give away our autonomy and sui generis in the process? Our Firstborn nature given away for a bowl of lentils and a big screen TV.

Balls to bone is how we heal our Selves- and then, it's a different universe...

I have no idea if I make sense with my response here, but something is ticking over for me. Oooh, what is in store here?

Thank you :kiss:

*grinning at you* it's very very fun, in my 'Verse, right now. :D

Carmody

1st June 2012, 13:25

REILLY

1st June 2012, 13:29

Only when male becomes female, and female becomes male, shall any enter the outer space. Or, something like that.

I've enjoyed reading through this one, and others in the pub may find it to be of interest, swiped from billyji's Biglino thread:

http://www.biblerealitycheck.com/WingsTreatise.htm

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 13:45

With me, they last between about two and four hours, and the pain literally feels as though someone has a rusty knife in my eye and is slowly twisting it... I wondered if I might be being a girl's blouse about the level of pain until I finally saw a specialist a couple of years ago, and he told me about some semi-mystical pain chart they have. We laughed about it, because it's like those trump cards ... "my pain beats your pain", haha - but he told me I can confidently hold my trump card high even in the presence of those who know how hurty childbirth can sometimes be.

I'm answering this here because if you're going to repeatedly call me a coward you're going to do it in public. I don't like hidden stuff roiling about below the surface of the Pub.

There is a vast difference between my saying 'don't compare your headaches to childbirth, which is something you cannot speak on with any degree of authority, ever' and 'your headaches aren't excruciating'. Some women can go through birth with very little outward expression, some scream their way through the whole thing, some require being numbed from the waist down and some require total oblivion. An individual's journey is precisely that- the journey of the individual. Some will be able to endure cluster headaches without committing suicide, some will not, just as some will do birth with a degree of outward stillness that others will never experience. Some find birth utterly orgasmic, others ask for merciful release from the agony. All pain is personal, because the codes that are being triggered to induce the pain is utterly personally tailored to that individual.

I am interested in the undoing of stories. My experience used to be to stand in the spot and continuously defend my Self and my position; I'm not in the least bit interested in that now. Undo the code, that's what it's about for me, on all levels- I am too restless with the energy to go with anything else.

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 13:57

Something has come to be a bit more clear to this one, in the past few pages of reading and trying to figure out where things went sour. I have found the information that was lacking, that caused two lines of misconvergence and misunderstanding to emerge.

A critical bit of thrust of this thread's meaning was missing from my prior understanding, and I must apologize for that, regarding my original posting in this thread. That was the point of disconnect. My posting would have been notably different, if I had been aware. In that aspect, the error is all mine.

*waves at you from the depths of a throb-a-tron couch, Pan Galactic and a massive curly straw balanced precariously in the other hand* I'm really happy to see you here in the Pub and except in the most nebulous of ways, I have no freaking clue what you are talking about in this post. I'd like to have one! Is there some way of expressing your observation in a way that sheds some light on the disconnect you're talking about, what you observed and how your posting would have been notably different? Your post is like a rubic's cube that has had all the little stickers pulled off, which makes the possibilities infinite and with no clear indicator that one has actually reached the desired goal. :D

Armed with this information, your apology is going to make much more sense. :)

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Only when male becomes female, and female becomes male, shall any enter the outer space. Or, something like that.

I've enjoyed reading through this one, and others in the pub may find it to be of interest, swiped from billyji's Biglino thread:

http://www.biblerealitycheck.com/WingsTreatise.htm

*bounces in enthusiastically* PL! Hi stranger! :D

*hugs*

I love the whole morphing polarities into new and interesting smushes. :D

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 14:04

The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

Frank was indicating that they had been breeding for, what was it, more than a few thousand years, in order to produce an offspring that was 'barely', in the genetic sense, male, but female. Not an uber male but one that had the sensitivity of the female but could peer down, through time, into the male side of lineage. Via being imbibed with the female capacity.

Herbert was apparently indicating that he was trying to insert some form of similar sensitivity into the male side of the duality, but that according to their understanding, the overall genetics indicated that it had to come from the female side of the genetic systems, it had to be born out of the female side.

Paul was not supposed to be born, his mother, lady Jessica, was to have a female child. Thus, for them, according to their breeding program ....Paul Atredies was never to have been born. This was a culmination point of their breeding program and he came one generation too soon, and was outside of their expectations and outside of their carefully laid plans, regarding control and positioning.

So the Bene Gesserit weren't taking the Fremen prophecy seriously? Is that the idea?

Also, this reminds me of the breeding program in Gate To Women's Country, breeding more feminine traits into the masculine. In that book this worked really well, with very interesting results from a world of peace pov.

Borden

1st June 2012, 14:33

Borden is grinning at Carmody. Hello, buddy. I love that you know those books.

Songsy, don't take our fights public, okay? You've been told.

Move along. There is no uncomfortableness here. Kapeesh?

REILLY

1st June 2012, 14:47

My favorites were God Emperor and Heretics. It's been seven or eight years since I've been through the Dune series, so it's about time. I've been through it several times since age twelve or thirteen, I just turned thirty four. And my buddy, Playdo, is currently going through it for the first time. I've read a bunch of Frank's other books, the white plague being the only one I never got in to.

songsfortheotherkind

1st June 2012, 14:56

Borden is grinning at Carmody. Hello, buddy. I love that you know those books.

Songsy, don't take our fights public, okay? You've been told.

Move along. There is no uncomfortableness here. Kapeesh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxxuYSTOPgI&feature=related

*grinning*

"are you tryin' to say 'capice'? cos doan' do that, it hurts my ears when you do that'

Carmody

1st June 2012, 15:01

The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

Frank was indicating that they had been breeding for, what was it, more than a few thousand years, in order to produce an offspring that was 'barely', in the genetic sense, male, but female. Not an uber male but one that had the sensitivity of the female but could peer down, through time, into the male side of lineage. Via being imbibed with the female capacity.

Herbert was apparently indicating that he was trying to insert some form of similar sensitivity into the male side of the duality, but that according to their understanding, the overall genetics indicated that it had to come from the female side of the genetic systems, it had to be born out of the female side.

Paul was not supposed to be born, his mother, lady Jessica, was to have a female child. Thus, for them, according to their breeding program ....Paul Atredies was never to have been born. This was a culmination point of their breeding program and he came one generation too soon, and was outside of their expectations and outside of their carefully laid plans, regarding control and positioning.

So the Bene Gesserit weren't taking the Fremen prophecy seriously? Is that the idea?

I believe they were. But the timing was off, according to their 'plans'.

and... 'the best laid plans, of mice and men....'

Cerridwen

1st June 2012, 15:21

I’m so glad I ordered that book, I can’t wait until it gets here!

I use to suffer from really bad headaches too, Borden. At the time the doctors didn’t really know what to label them as, they were my own special combination of all the different types. I’d get the knife behind the eye for a few hours, then it would dull down for a bit, and then build back up again. I had the sensitivity to light and nausea. The worst part was, once they started, they would last for weeks at a time. I would wake up in the morning with it, and then go to bed at night with it still there. Drugs would numb the pain a bit, but it was always still there just below the surface. The last major one lasted for 2 1/2 months straight. I went out on disability and was this close to a major mental break down from it all. I also know what you mean about going 'Sith' on friends, pain is ugly. I was at home for all of this during the whole 9/11 fiasco.

The time off of work and the psych Dr they made me see along with the regular Dr, really helped me figure out that stress was the major cause at the time. The hospital I was working at at the time had become a very toxic place for me. My body had figured it out, but my brain was being stubborn.

I went back to work with a new attitude and only lasted 3 more months. I got into a shouting match with one of my doctors over his behavior with a patient and gave my two week notice the next day. As soon as he found out that I was leaving, he wanted to know why. I told him I don’t get paid nearly enough for my skills here. He then asked me to come work for him at his private office. ( I really am very good at what I do.) I actually laughed out loud. I told him, he was one of the main reasons I was leaving and that he couldn’t afford what my pay would have to be to get me to work with him any longer. The look on his face was priceless. I patted him on the arm and walked away giggling. After that, if I got a headache, it went away that same day.

It took a few years longer and lots of studying to find the deeper reasons for those headaches. One day at a seminar it just clicked. For me, they stem from my ‘daddy abandonment’ issues and the stress they caused. Severe pain was an attention getter for me, as well as an excuse to retreat from the world and whatever was going on that I didn’t want to deal with.

Now, as soon as I feel that first stab, I stop in my tracks and say, wow I must be really stressed out over something. I acknowledge the pain and say “Thank you for getting my attention about the stress I must be under, I’ll do something about it. I don’t need you here any longer, you may go now. I promise I’ll deal with it myself, I don’t need to retreat anymore.” I swear, 10 seconds later, it’s gone.

Carmody

1st June 2012, 15:32

In the spirit of this thread, I will say that, this one's experiences say:

One could say that the works of fantasy fiction and science fiction have taken humankind and enabled it to place it's self, on an individual basis, into difficult situations that might exist as a paradox --in the given mind. Each life lived... is itself, of such a nature.

With the fictional works, contemplation of many alternative states and situations can be pondered. The given mind that is 'in-situ' with that given moment, time, and level of evolution (connection to the now), that is absorbing the test can then consider..and connect with that idea of evolution that is outre or out of the norm for their given 'real life' state. Specifically, concerning questions and situations that might not exist outside of the mind.

Thus a broadening of the base, and this may lead to more insights that will aid in elevation of evolution. A wider bigger base - bigger growth potential.

It is possible to think of it as a 'course in accelerated evolution base-form'.

The other one thing is that as we evolve, we create new phantasms, and as we reach the edge of our own given development, the idea of co-creation and ego body function co-mingle (inevitable). Phantasms of the mind must be tested against reality and some, depending on position, may be stronger than others, in the given mind. Eventually, with clear thought, all will fall, to the greater degree..and something that we cannot understand, from our current given base ...will arise and be the form of the given time. History has shown this to be true. It has also shown us that the probability of the immutable to be a limit that chains us, is also quite high. As time passes while in a given state, we tend to move from a probability of it being phantasm or self lie to being inevitably so.

As we reach the edge of the given mind's limits... the strength and shape of phantasms increase dramatically. So one must have and possess even more discernment, and be more careful. The body is merely doing it's job, it is trying to make sense out of unformed data or difficult situations. It possesses a data set, and tries to match the data to the image and ideals sets, to be interpreted by the 'thinking mind'. this is autonomous and below the thinking mind, with regard to conscious world awareness and extends well into what we call the bardo and the like, as this is a thing we are discussing consciously, not telepathically in the bardo, or in other ways/places. Perception and translation error.

Until our given human body is shed and the influences of that... are shed via analysis of the self after death, the body will cast it's influence well into our excursions into the void.

Regarding analysis. The trick is to do it as clearly and as carefully as possible, and that calls for remaining mutable but logical. Meaning, nothing is left unturned, including the idea of one fooling themselves via the body's systems of expression and interpretation.

Emotions are good drivers (pressure) of evolution, but they are not evolution itself. They are a force -within the context of evolution. Therefore one should try to be vigilant, at all times and in all situations.. for emotional interjection into reality formation.

The body never sleeps, but the mind does. Thus.... conscious analysis can be faulty.

The sleepless state can be used, by the individual to illustrate to the self...this disconnect. Meditation can bring this state into being, as can other aspects or attempts.

Listening to (as the post was formed, 'random' chance)
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Zebra

1st June 2012, 15:40

It took a few years longer and lots of studying to find the deeper reasons for those headaches. One day at a seminar it just clicked. For me, they stem from my ‘daddy abandonment’ issues and the stress they caused. Severe pain was an attention getter for me, as well as an excuse to retreat from the world and whatever was going on that I didn’t want to deal with.

Now, as soon as I feel that first stab, I stop in my tracks and say, wow I must be really stressed out over something. I acknowledge the pain and say “Thank you for getting my attention about the stress I must be under, I’ll do something about it. I don’t need you here any longer, you may go now. I promise I’ll deal with it myself, I don’t need to retreat anymore.” I swear, 10 seconds later, it’s gone.

Awesome example of taking ownership, Cerridwen.

You are strong. I hear you sister ;)

http://www.emergewith.us/UserFiles/Image/dogha.jpg

Zebra

1st June 2012, 16:28

... One could say that the works of fantasy fiction and science fiction have taken humankind and enabled it to place it's self, on an individual basis, into difficult situations that might exist as a paradox --in the given mind. Each life lived... is itself, of such a nature.

With the fictional works, contemplation of many alternative states and situations can be pondered. The given mind that is 'in-situ' with that given moment, time, and level of evolution (connection to the now), that is absorbing the test can then consider..and connect with that idea of evolution that is outre or out of the norm for their given 'real life' state. Specifically, concerning questions and situations that might not exist outside of the mind.

Thus a broadening of the base, and this may lead to more insights that will aid in elevation of evolution. A wider bigger base - bigger growth potential.

I am a work in progress here, Carmody and still absorbing this post but I would like to add: I think that it is human kind that is always contributing to this fictional universe through art - be that literature, performance, material arts, music, etc. Each of these expressive realms brings our visions for the future towards us. In effect, we pull them in. We produce them and we engage with them - and through this engagement, the gateway to manifestation begins with the first stage of connection [I][B]the suspension of our disbelief. All hands off, anything is possible. That is why art is so powerful.

yYMIpOIii6Y

You also write:

Emotions are good drivers (pressure) of evolution, but they are not evolution itself. They are a force -within the context of evolution. Therefore one should try to be vigilant, at all times and in all situations.. for emotional interjection into reality formation.

This is a discussion I am still tussling with .. in this body, well mine anyway, the emotional realm is part of the instrument for harnessing and expressing ideas. So, I would say that emotions - while in physical form - vibrate to the pathway we venture down. Therefore, in this resonant field, if we focus on intuiting the knowledge in the feeling realm, it is here where meaning is made possible.

The body never sleeps, but the mind does. Thus.... conscious analysis can be faulty.

I wonder about the mind too - I have this other theory: that a part of the mind engages in a flushing and re-organisation during our sleep time, it is actually active in some way, but not the boss anymore. I think this, because I figure that it is our mind that forms a memory that we use to recall when we are awake - that dream. What happened, it made no sense. OR, there is another dream - perhaps this is the lucid dream state where I feel that our higher consciousness moves in and dwells. Also providing a little bonus when we awake, because in that state - insight can be so real, it smacks you in the face. It is hyper reality and clearly a message and direction to pay attention to.

The sleepless state can be used, by the individual to illustrate to the self...this disconnect. Meditation can bring this state into being, as can other aspects or attempts.

The sleepless state - we never really ''sleep'' do we? When you think about it, we are in a perpetual state of dreaming - perhaps not consciously - but certainly at the sub conscious. Somewhere in the blocks and fog we attach to our landscapes, there is a pulse - so what is that?

*Thanks for the music - nice*

CurtisW

1st June 2012, 16:53

Don't know why, but I felt moved to play this tune here in the Pub. It's si ti vois ma mere by Sidney Bichet.

This version is from the Woody Allen Movie, Midnight in Paris, and is accompanied by scenes of the city from the film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ExqFAO85o&feature=related

Zebra

1st June 2012, 17:16

Curtis, I love that music from the film. I was so eager to see it before it came out - for two reasons: Woody Allen and Owen Wilson. I thought what a brilliant coupling, but I think my expectations were too high. It was something about the timing of this film that was out. Funny that, because it actually played with the concept of time.

I will watch it again, though - I have it loaded up on my computer here. I would like to get hold of this one too:

LXi6xsq_dYs

And most definitely .. Broadway Danny Rose :p

MQshyrB_sD8

Borden

1st June 2012, 18:23

Carmody, what do I do when I run into the realization that there's masturbation present? Is that my emotions? Is that my ego? Heh heh ... you are a clever and interesting chap, Sir. Please tell me more about what you see in 'Dune'.

Are you telling us the teacher joke?

PL, I recently turned 43, and I'm about to do another round. Aren't they wonderful? My favourites are the first two: 'Dune' and 'Dune Messiah'.

Borden

1st June 2012, 19:37

SmVAWKfJ4Go

Borden

1st June 2012, 19:51

Carmody, can you see Watcher eyes? Tell us what you make of them.

Lisab

1st June 2012, 20:12

Dune is one of my favourite films. My friends and i watched it over and over for a time. Havnt read the books though, want to now.
Borden, have to agree with Songs here, can't believe you said kapeesh!

mountain_jim

1st June 2012, 21:05

Just watched Midnight in Paris for first time this week. That opening scene was quite a Woody love-letter to Paris - as I guess the whole movie is.

I read Dune and Dune Messiah (all that existed when I started) and was greatly affected by them.

The Science Fiction writer whose works first opened up my imagination was Robert Heinlein. In my grammar school library they had several of his earliest books - which were easier reads for a youngster. I had read all of his books, including my first reading of Stranger in a Strange Land, by the time I was 15. None of his stories made into movies were done justice, I feel.

I still wait for Stranger and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress to be made into films.

Another great book that will never be a film - The Monkey Wrench Gang by Edward Abbey - pro-environmental terrorism written by a lover of the american southwest heartbroken by the canyons drowned under the Glen Canyon dam.

While on the subject of films, as a teenager when I watched 2001 - A Space Odyssey, alone at a Cinerama theater (very wide aspect ratio 3 projection system) in it's first run, I realized upon leaving the theater for my 2 mile walk home that my consciousness was altered, and the world for me had changed.

That walk home was in a new reality, with my first realized altered state of awareness, caused by a film. Thank you Stanley! :)

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 01:02

The following post is made entirely from the subjective place in the hologram that I am. I know that regular Clan of Pub get this (and I got sick of prefacing every post with disclaimers) *and* there are some new Publians that may not know this about me. Sui generis means utterly subjective, from my own 'Verse, not intended as a blanket or globalist description about anything other than my experience.

In the spirit of this thread, I will say that, this one's experiences say:

One could say that the works of fantasy fiction and science fiction have taken humankind and enabled it to place it's self, on an individual basis, into difficult situations that might exist as a paradox --in the given mind. Each life lived... is itself, of such a nature.

With the fictional works, contemplation of many alternative states and situations can be pondered. The given mind that is 'in-situ' with that given moment, time, and level of evolution (connection to the now), that is absorbing the test can then consider..and connect with that idea of evolution that is outre or out of the norm for their given 'real life' state. Specifically, concerning questions and situations that might not exist outside of the mind.

Thus a broadening of the base, and this may lead to more insights that will aid in elevation of evolution. A wider bigger base - bigger growth potential.

It is possible to think of it as a 'course in accelerated evolution base-form'.

That's one of the reasons that this was expressed into the evolution: the ability and capacity to thought experiment saves the use of lots of resources, just like a computer running a probability equation. Makes far more sense to crunch the numbers without crunching the timespace, at least to those interested in and engaged with the physical realms. There are much, much bigger fish to fry in the physical realms than are currently being engaged with- this isn't the pinnacle, this is the kindergarten, the unlimited possibility field hasn't even *started* in those terms- the evolution is cranking things deeper, not doing away with the physical.

The other one thing is that as we evolve, we create new phantasms, and as we reach the edge of our own given development, the idea of co-creation and ego body function co-mingle (inevitable). Phantasms of the mind must be tested against reality and some, depending on position, may be stronger than others, in the given mind. Ah, see, here is where it begins to go back to the pear shaped 'reality check' fnordle. There is no ultimate reality to check against, so in my language I'm simply moving the hologram around looking for other doorways and windows to explore through. The flat earth was an absolute reality check until it wasn't. Man can fly was an absolute reality check until it wasn't.

Nothing is a phantasm. Everything is one multiverse leaking into another. Pretending that one has a handle on the 'correct' reality is just an indicator of where one's possibilities end. It's the reality check of the individual's evolution limits within the multiverse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeqMCyQVdfA

In my realms there *is* nothing but the infinite expressions of the creative 'dream', ever- all choices are from the infinite possibility, so why quibble about which dream Art is 'more real' than the rest of the dream Art? It's about creation, co-creation, not the quest to suffocate the infinitely possible beneath a concrete 'reality' that is chosen by someone *other* than me. Either one enjoys dreaming Art into creation, or one seeks to return to the place where all possibilities exist but none are chosen so all Art is possible but none is actually ever created.

I'm aware that some find this a wonderful option and their preferred space. I have not one iota of resonance with such a choice, although I utterly uphold their right to make such a choice as long as they're not forcing anyone into coming along with them. What amuses me is that this option can't be taken without a choice to go there but then in the next breath choice is denigrated as being something to regard with great suspicion. (heh heh heh- am I the only one that finds this wickedly amusing?)

Choice is the place of creation, which is why the virus gives choice and consciously choosing such a bad rap. The Buddha pretended to never consciously chose anything too- he pretended non-choice wasn't a choice which is why it's not the Dalai Lama that's dying for his beliefs. Really easy to make no choice when one knows there will be others who will choose and then one can walk on the top of their heads, pretending to be enlightened. It's why I have no interest in the philosophy Ghandi espoused- what a crock, non-violent resistance my non-tasty shoe; there were *thousands* that died following that philosophy, it just wasn't him personally. In the end he met the results of his non-choice choices and people called it martyrdom. I see it as inevitability when one is prepared to float one's boat on the blood of others.

Eventually, with clear thought, all will fall, to the greater degree..and something that we cannot understand, from our current given base ...will arise and be the form of the given time. History has shown this to be true. It has also shown us that the probability of the immutable to be a limit that chains us, is also quite high. As time passes while in a given state, we tend to move from a probability of it being phantasm or self lie to being inevitably so.

'All will fall' can also be experienced as 'everything evolves', which is how I personally embrace it. I have said in other places, the programmers here have been pimping the idea of 'fallen' for a very long time, which I have expressed in opposite terms: the evolution is always falling *upward* into greater expression of itself, greater complexity, greater experience of the subtle frequencies.

"with clear thought all will fall, to a greater degree-"

Whose clear thought? The controllers? Those who would be the new controllers? The 'new' dominant paradigm's? All recycling variations of the limitations that have gone before?

0-o I am clear that I'll be passing on that one, preferably at warp speed and with my pirate hat set at a rakish angle. I have found that there is nothing but inevitable worlds of goo when one individual or group tries to impose their 'clear thought' onto another. It never goes well.

will arise and be the form of the given time. History has shown this to be true

This arising does not happen in a vacuum, it is a constant unfolding based on present elements in their new configurations, which happens because these many elements are being interacted with in new and interesting ways, which gives rise to new signal and co-creation possibilities... it happens because of dynamics and energies involved, which are an evolution from what was there *before*. It doesn't happen by the sea of possibility never being actively interacted with. Choice is what creates new expressions of the evolution, which means somewhere, something was doing or thinking or taking some action of some kind, and that rippled the energy in new ways and evolution of the signal happened. It's a dynamic multiverse. It moves, it breathes, it interacts, it creates, it co-creates, it has sex and a smoke afterwards, it occasionally over indulges in something and makes a right idiot of itself. Somewhere, there's a sign that says 'sorry for the inconvenience', but it's been long established that this was just a university student prank, as was the whole idea of God.

"We never thought this God thing was going to get so out of hand", Torquil Elderberry, widely held to be one of the prime instigators and creator of the original concept said in a recent interview. "When we came up with the idea as first year marketing students we were convinced that it would never work- I mean, seriously, the Creator of the entire everything is a guy? And he wants you to sacrifice your goats and chickens and the occasional firstborn? After we saw how well phase one of the experiment went we decided to really raise the stakes and developed a secondary character that had been a minor player in the first phase. Again we were really looking to push the envelope and there were many heated discussions- there were some who thought that the whole nailing to a tree thing was just never going to be accepted and as for rising from the dead, well, who was going to accept a zombie for a saviour? But we stuck to our guns and it's been bigger than we ever imagined."

Mr Elderberry is now senior marketing CEO for Microsoft and is paid squillions because, as he put it himself, "If I can create a successful campaign featuring a genocidal, egocentric, misogynistic, bloodthirsty, meglomaniacal and petty demi-god posing as the creator of the universe and the global population buys it, it's going to be easy to convince those same consumers that Microsoft products work."

It does get rather tedious to hear the multiverse's Art in terms of the physical realms being rubbished as inferior- I am looking forward to enthusiastically waving goodbye to all those who complain about and denigrate the physical experience as they depart to various non-physical realms and stop raining on the parade here, although they do serve some purpose at this point; their complaints only make my appreciation grow brighter. If that means I accidentally go pyro from appreciation and set them on fire, really it's win-win, isn't it- I'm glowing with appreciation that's on a supernova scale and they're heading to realms they have continually said they prefer.

As we reach the edge of the given mind's limits... the strength and shape of phantasms increase dramatically. So one must have and possess even more discernment, and be more careful. The body is merely doing it's job, it is trying to make sense out of unformed data or difficult situations. It possesses a data set, and tries to match the data to the image and ideals sets, to be interpreted by the 'thinking mind'. this is autonomous and below the thinking mind, with regard to conscious world awareness and extends well into what we call the bardo and the like, as this is a thing we are discussing consciously, not telepathically in the bardo, or in other ways/places. Perception and translation error.

We are having discussions here about the various 'minds' and the virus program built into the physical. You appear to be advocating that because the physical has been infected by virus, rather than dissolving the virus we should discard the physical realm and all shuffle off to non-physical states.

Until our given human body is shed and the influences of that... are shed via analysis of the self after death, the body will cast it's influence well into our excursions into the void.

Yep, there it is. Gosh, that doesn't sound like the blibble the virus as religion has been pimping for milliennia at all- 'the heart is treacherous and who can know it?' 'we are all sinners and unworthy, unable to know even how to take one right step', blah blah blah. If it's not the heart, it's the spirit, or the mind, or the body that is untrustworthy/evil/full of sin/must be done away with- 'if the eye sins, pluck it out and cast it away! Better to enter into the kingdom of heaven with one eye than to pass into Gehenna with two'. So if the hand 'sins', cut it off, if the foot 'sins' cut it off, the genitals of women can't be trusted so best be hacking those off as well-

clearly, I'm not a fan of this 'can't trust anything of Self so look somewhere else for authority' philosophy. I'm not a fan of the virus inspired exhortation to get rid of the physical either: I've seen the roots of the intention with my own eyes, in other realms. Did you really think, after seeing what went down recently, that I would just let more of the same non-corporeal, 'abandon the body because that is the only superior choice' championing slide?

You can make that choice- for you, it's obviously something that resonates. I've come into contact with some non-corporeals that have rocked my socks, AND at NO POINT have they ever suggested to me that my path was in any way at all inferior. NEVER. I've met Creators, universe sized Art makers, who don't pull that crap: I have sat and watched the light spread across a galaxy while cradled in the palm of the hand of a Being so great and vast that I cried at the beauty of their signal and the Art that they created; they rejoiced at the beauty they saw in me and marveled at the experience I was transmitting to them, because in themselves they could not do what I could do. The Creators know that this is infinite, the experiencing something new, and living into it and becoming a new thing in the process. Always becoming the new thing, if one holds the space for it within.

I am frankly distanced by the suggestion that the exquisite Art of these great and beautiful Creator Beings is inferior. My signal cools in transmission towards those that seriously bring this to a place where the physical realms have been intentionally chosen, and then for the speaker to suggest that this choice has been made because the Chooser lacks discernment and wisdom is much like the priest in Eric the Viking. And all priests, really, who are nothing more than servants of the virus.

Regarding analysis. The trick is to do it as clearly and as carefully as possible, and that calls for remaining mutable but logical. Meaning, nothing is left unturned, including the idea of one fooling themselves via the body's systems of expression and interpretation.

Logic. Thus endeth that part of the discussion.

Emotions are good drivers (pressure) of evolution, but they are not evolution itself. They are a force -within the context of evolution. Therefore one should try to be vigilant, at all times and in all situations.. for emotional interjection into reality formation.

The emotional facility is part of an ecosystem of feedback mechanisms that make up the whole biosystem of the physical Being. Having the capacity to hold emotional interjection in the space is one of the elements that separates the ethical and moral Being from the scientist who not only thinks it's ok to create the deadliest virus ever known as a bio-weapon, but that it's not his problem what the military do with it *after* he's created it because hey, if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. Like anything, an imbalance in any direction will cause its own crisis and evolution *and* that's what it's always about- leading to the next expression of the evolution. That's what I've been writing about lately.

The body never sleeps, but the mind does. Thus.... conscious analysis can be faulty.

heh. Which mind? I've got many and sleep just means "I" am accessing a different realm, to bring things to different places within those realms. There's no such thing as one 'reality' in my Verse, which I've expressed many times, so what you've said here is nothing more than an explanation of your experience, not that of others. It would be far less irritating to those whose realms are different to hear sui generis expressions rather than sweeping globalising statements that imply 'this is how it is for me, so therefore that's how it is for All'. No, no it is not.

The sleepless state can be used, by the individual to illustrate to the self...this disconnect. Meditation can bring this state into being, as can other aspects or attempts.

And now the subtle slide into the areas of aggravation that happened here before.

Carmody, please understand this point that I am now about to make with no clever words whatsoever: there are Beings on this thread that do not resonate to 'human', do not experience themselves *as* human, have no interest in the non-corporeal realms and are exploring the signal that calls them *deeper* into the physical experience. There are others who have only one or two of these elements and that is what they experience and resonate to. If you wish to express the concepts you're expressing then you are warmly invited to do so in the subjective language of the sui generis- which means 'this is true for me and may be true for no other Being anywhere'.

You are not the possessor of the One Truth for All, you are the possessor for the One Truth for you. Subjective language 'I' statements rather than globalist 'this is how *reality* is' allows others to fully have their experience without some subtle (or in this case, not so subtle) suggestion that any choice *other* than the one you are espousing is an indication of some kind of deficiency, usually spiritual in nature.

Noooo. That's not going to fly here. I've already posted some stuff about the harm of language that discounts the experience of another in some way or other. We're developing sui generis based language here, which means cultivating the concepts of 'homogeny is not a requirement' and 'infinite possibility precludes the idea that I'm right about anything other than what pertains to me'. It means those who make the choice to have three heads and seven arms aren't in some way 'inferior' to those who make the choice to be an expression of the color blue or those who choose to be an entire planet.

There's nothing inherently wrong with your experience and perspective, because it works for you. I'd appreciate a cessation of the suggestion that it applies to everyone else. This is me being nice about it: any language that discounts the experience of the other is founded in abuse, which is founded in the virus. This thread is a verbal abuse free zone. We are consciously cultivating the language of sui generis. You are most welcome to participate in that endeavour if it appeals to you.

Nice choice of music- I like Way Out West.

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 01:07

SmVAWKfJ4Go

"If I could start again
A million miles away
I would keep my Self
I would find a way"

That is it, utterly. That is the signal.

I love this song.

Alekahn

2nd June 2012, 02:05

16683

In memory and in our heart.
For Jorr.

All is Well brother.

37MNE8tOBG4

Carmody

2nd June 2012, 02:49

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 03:59

There's nothing inherently wrong with your experience and perspective, because it works for you. I'd appreciate a cessation of the suggestion that it applies to everyone else. This is me being nice about it: any language that discounts the experience of the other is founded in abuse, which is founded in the virus. This thread is a verbal abuse free zone. We are consciously cultivating the language of sui generis. You are most welcome to participate in that endeavour if it appeals to you.

You speak of judgment and the lack of it, yet you lay it at everyone's feet in indignation, of an offense - paraded.

ah, personal interpretation- it's a real bastard, isn't it? Even when I was so careful to make things clear.

And when things don't go one's way, what does the heteronomy do next, I wonder- hmm, my guess would be abuse-

One that does not exist.

Like the rest of the phantasm parade.

It is clear that you will only accept your way or the highway, wile you lie there with your 'wound'.

I see narcissistic self affected prattle.

That is the kindest thing I can say.

As for the rest, perhaps it is best that such musings move to the channeling section.

ROFL

and the abuse rears its head! This is the second time that this has showed itself, and again at the hands of a no-mind and superiority priest.

That itch really can't help but want to be scratched, can it.

This thread is where it is, and does what it does, because many in here like it that way. Are you suggesting that all these other intelligent, aware and observant Beings that frequent the Pub are just too stupid/fooled to see what you can see? Hmm, that's a pretty grand assumption, but not surprising one iota.

It is a measure of your own attitude and philosophy that anything different from your reality needs to be removed to the 'channeled' thread; that's ok, I personally think your perspective is better served in the religion thread and at the same time I wasn't asking you to go elsewhere. There is no support for the heteronomy here, and that apparently really chaps heteronomy's arse.

Sui generis and true autonomy: indestructible crabs in the crotch of the heteronomy since 500,000 BC.

CurtisW

2nd June 2012, 04:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIIuR-HjFho

...So, anyway....

...Songsy, brilliant posts. You've created an apologia for Sui Generis.

...And for me personally, these latest posts have helped deepen my understanding of the concept.

...Thank you.

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 04:03

16683

In memory and in our heart.
For Jorr.

All is Well brother.

37MNE8tOBG4

Ok, has something happened to Jorr that I don't know about? Because given what I'm currently living through, my mind has gone to a rather grim place of possibility with this.

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 04:09

<cricket sounds>

of course, it's all for the greater good and all that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMt0lhnlLL4

:D

Zebra

2nd June 2012, 04:19

You speak of judgment and the lack of it, yet you lay it at everyone's feet in indignation, of an offense - paraded.

One that does not exist.

Like the rest of the phantasm parade.

It is clear that you will only accept your way or the highway, wile you lie there with your 'wound'.

I see narcissistic self affected prattle.

That is the kindest thing I can say.

As for the rest, perhaps it is best that such musings move to the channeling section.

Dear man, why throw mud? I don´t know you but the essence of this post is precisely how I understand the virus at work - in one of it´s many pairs of overalls - sarcasm and denigration.

I see that Songs has responded to this.

Well, I am standing up here because I also took the time to understand some of your perspective and respond, and I see no acknowledgement whatsoever. No effort to engage further to explore together and expand meaning. That was a hard read, but I persisted. Yet I don't see any graciousness here, it is sadly missing and that I find most disappointing.

You can do better than that, surely?

So, another´s perspective does not make sense, or sit with your ideas? I thought that Songs made a HUGE effort to understand what you have to say, and where she does not agree. I think she makes herself very clear and in a respectful way about where she sits with her perspectives, as distinct from your understanding. And where she drills down to explain about the use of language, I think this is of vital importance to understand. From your reaction, you totally miss the point about the position that is trying to be conveyed.

The best way I know how to explain it to you is this, I hope you understand:

Any communication has both content and form. Always, the two are integrated - so it is not just what *I* say, it is how *I* say something, which bears equal if not more meaning. To me, form is a dynamic and highly potent part of communication - whether it is written, sung, danced or spoken. Form is loaded with meaning. It is the architecture, the choice and selection, it is the weight of intent behind what I am really saying, and how I want to affect and make you feel. It exposes the text within the text.

So, I too take this very seriously. It still blows me away at the lack of awareness of this. I accept that some people are not conscious about it - and by the imprint in this last post, I believe you are in the same boat. What do you think creates conflict?

This is your invitation to consider what you are reading here, and question your own resistance. Open up. For me, there are no limits. I don´t believe in them - otherwise how else are we to evolve?

Cerridwen

2nd June 2012, 04:28

There's nothing inherently wrong with your experience and perspective, because it works for you. I'd appreciate a cessation of the suggestion that it applies to everyone else. This is me being nice about it: any language that discounts the experience of the other is founded in abuse, which is founded in the virus. This thread is a verbal abuse free zone. We are consciously cultivating the language of sui generis. You are most welcome to participate in that endeavour if it appeals to you.

You speak of judgment and the lack of it, yet you lay it at everyone's feet in indignation, of an offense - paraded.

One that does not exist.

Like the rest of the phantasm parade.

It is clear that you will only accept your way or the highway, wile you lie there with your 'wound'.

I see narcissistic self affected prattle.

That is the kindest thing I can say.

As for the rest, perhaps it is best that such musings move to the channeling section.

I'm not really sure why you keep coming back to the Pub to play with us.

To me, it kinda feels like everyone at Avalon knows we like to play checkers in here, but for some reason, you keep coming in here and insisting that we must play regulation chess. It's not that we don't know how to play chess, we just choose to play checkers anyway. We enjoy changing the rules and making it up as we go along as well. No two games are ever alike, some are quite silly and others are very serious. But we all enjoy it exactly the way it is. If you want to play checkers with us, then grab a drink and join in, if not, then it might be less frustrating for you to take your chess pieces to another part of Avalon.

Lots and lots of other Avalonians would love to learn how to play the game of chess. :)

onawah

2nd June 2012, 04:50

First there was the One.
When the One became aware of Itself, there arose the awareness of the possibility of the Other.
Thus began the Dance of Maya.
The dance of Formlessness with Form, the Goddess with the God, Creation and the Uncreated.
You can join in the Dance, or you can return to the Formlessness.
You can dance with the Other, or you can dance alone.
You are a part of the Other, and the Other is a part of you,whether you are joined in the Dance or not.
When the Dance becomes wearisome, the One rests...
When rest grows wearisome, the One dances yet again...
This is both true and untrue.
For Great Mystery will never be explained.
If we disagree when speaking of Great Mystery, it affects Great Mystery not at all...

I love all the Dune books. Gate to Women's Country is a favorite.
Anything by Cheri S. Tepper, Margaret Atwood, Janet Morris, Ursula leGuin.
Tolkein, of course, and his contemporary E.R.R. Eddison who wrote the wonderful but little known Zimiamvia fantasy trilogy, Mistress of Mistresses, A Fish Dinner In Memison, and The Mezentian Gate.

There is a rumor that Tom Hanks is involved in a possible production of Stranger in a Strange Land, though I certainly can't picture him as Michael Valentine Smith.
I hope it will be made someday, and justice done to it, as to the movie based on the Wingmaker's material, which Kerry Cassidy has the rights to.
I can't wait for the Hobbit movie to be released!
Stranger was so significant to me when I was in my Flower Child years, as was the 2001 A Space Odyssey movie, which launched me into mysticism, and later Tolkein and the Carlos Castenada books into inner realms and realms of the Other.

When I realized that my spirit guides were leading me to stories which featured characters that resembled real people in my life, so that I could get to know them better in a very vicarious way, it was an inkling to my tiny mind of the vastness of Great Mystery and the playful nature of Maya.
When I began to learn about my past lives and the past lives of people in my soul group, I began to understand what my mission, if I chose to accept it, might be.
And to see that I could invent new missions or refuse missions altogether if I chose to.

I love the Dance, and I love the formless state of rest, I love being in the body and I love being out of the body.
I visited a vastly different and more joyous state of being once on an LSD trip when I got into the White Light, during which I felt as though I had merged with the Sun, and the Sun was nothing but the purest JOY,
and merged with it again briefly in satori and in the Tao when I lived at a small, remote Zen Center in the mountains of Virginia in the late 60s.
I was thrust back to square one by a Near Death Experience that featured no beautiful tunnel to Bliss, but a fearful and very painful dark place where I was trapped until my friends came to the ER and pulled me back into my body with cords of Love and pity.

I gained some psychic abilities due, ironically, to the severe concussion I suffered, and since I was released from the struggle for earning my daily bread by monthly Social Security Disability checks, even though at the cost of being trapped in subsistence poverty, I escaped partially from the pain in my broken body into the world of the Imagination.
And strangely, though my disability kept me apart from my circle of active friends, learning about them through books brought me into a unique kind of intimacy with them.
I became an enigma to them, much to my amusement at times, and at others, to my chagrin!

A psychic once became very upset with me because she thought that I was misusing my powers and in some long distance sort of way, influencing writers to write books for my benefit and entertainment.
I was flattered but found the idea hilarious.
To my mind, it is just a manifestation of the play of Maya dancing through me.

Who can say how Maya might choose to express her Dance through another?

I met a saint once, (Ammachi is the name she goes by now) a chubby, dumpy, very plain brown woman who was a pariah as a child to her own family and to the villagers she grew up among in India.
She would go into blissful trances and the villagers would find her sitting in the mud or in cow dung, singing to herself, drenched in tears of joy, completely oblivious to the world.
When conscious, she would serve her family humbly and tirelessly, though they scorned and spit on her because her skin was so dark and they considered her an idiot because of her trances.
I saw her get up on stage and, swaddled in yards and yards of sari, do an energetic sword dance, leaping, twisting and twirling,singing at the top of her lungs and roaring with laughter, the sharp sword swooping all around her in swift, jabs and thrusts.

Her devotees say that she becomes Shiva when she does that dance of Destruction.
Other times, she becomes a manifestation of the Divine Mother, and spends endless days with thousands of people waiting in line to be pulled into her lap, hugged, kissed, petted and blessed.
Her blood has been tested after doing this and the doctors say it is full of many diseases she has pulled out of the bodies of those she blesses.
But in a day or two, another test will be done and all traces of disease will be gone.
What a touching dance Maya is performing through Ammachi!

In the face of such Grace manifesting on our blue pearl planet, these little squabbles here at the Pub seem very silly.
I have not met a single person here whose perspective I have not enjoyed and benefited from.
Engage in the Dance of Destruction if you will, but remember also the Divine Mother, who embraces ALL.
We are all her children, and we can play or fight together, but which is more fun?

PS Jorr has left his body and is dancing his way onward to his next journey. Dread not, there is no death.
See
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45868-The-bad-bird-watcher-has-left-the-planet--&p=499566#post499566

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 05:08

I'm not really sure why you keep coming back to the Pub to play with us.

*wicked grin* Oooooooooh, I could have a go at this one! But it's probably going to be unflattering. So I'll be quiet. :P

To me, it kinda feels like everyone at Avalon knows we like to play checkers in here, but for some reason, you keep coming in here and insisting that we must play regulation chess. It's not that we don't know how to play chess, we just choose to play checkers anyway. We enjoy changing the rules and making it up as we go along as well.

See, that's become some have no appreciation of the way we play checkers-

http://www.joesdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/shot-glass-checkers-set.jpg

and they also utterly fail to grasp the evolving way of playing checkers in this fashion by the time the effects kick in half way through. The fine art of playing checkers by throwing them at the board from three rooms away is lost on many. We are a special breed indeed. :D

But we all enjoy it exactly the way it is. If you want to play checkers with us, then grab a drink and join in, if not, then it might be less frustrating for you to take your chess pieces to another part of Avalon.

Lots and lots of other Avalonians would love to learn how to play the game of chess. :)

This is just one of the things I love about you: I write about mind crabs and chapped arses and you are so diplomatic and sweet. I love the diversity here! It means I don't have to be things I suck at being, like nice.

*big cheesy grin, because I'm eating spectacular nachos on a cold and rainy day*

Zebra

2nd June 2012, 05:44

CurtisW

2nd June 2012, 05:51

Here's another funny little cartoon, this time, from the genius of Seth Macfarlane. Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg&feature=fvwp&NR=1

Zebra

2nd June 2012, 05:55

Hugely appreciated, thank you Curtis. And a good morning to you too! ;)

onawah

2nd June 2012, 07:13

[QUOTE=Zebra;499599]Good morning, Zebra.
Yes, you're right, of course. Sigh.
It's just a little bit embarrassing, like watching someone :to_pick_ones_nose: in public. :bad:
While really, one person's :bs: may be another's compost.
It's all just a matter of perspective.
I suppose being an INFP, I just don't like confrontation, though I won't be bullied either, and will fight if I have to, though I certainly avoid it if possible.:boxing:
(So much more fun to :playball: )

(I have to continue this in another post, since we're only allowed 9 smilies and I'm in a smilie mood just now.)

onawah

2nd June 2012, 07:14

It just seems like people are blowing up at each other for no reason lately, and it's getting tedious. :ohwell:
I really hate it when people get venomous.:mamba::mad2:
It makes it feel so unfriendly here, the more retiring types like me don't feel comfortable enough to come out and play very much. :behindsofa:

I have had a pretty unusual life, though, and a lot of adventures in spite of myself.
One of these days I will have to finish writing my life story.
Just to give you a teaser, my nickname growing up was Candy ( my middle name is Candace.)
And there were a lot of parallels between my life and the character in the novel Candy by Terry Southern. :flirt:
So many characters in the book were showing up in my real life, in very similar guises, it was one of the first tip offs to me that Great Mystery can be much more multi-layered and complex than I had ever dreamed.
Thanks for your appreciative post. :wub:
Off to dreamland for me now.:lazy2:

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 08:14

Good morning to you Onawah - well morning where I am ;)
[B]

I would say, all part of the process Onawah -- you cannot ignore when an elephant is the room, they say. It needs to be acknowledged and looked after. Squabbles happen but they are for a reason, like everything else. Can´t keep it down if it is toxic below, all has to come up into the light and be sorted. As silly as it may seem from the outside - there´s some deep mining going on. And when b#lls#it goes down .. it needs to be called on, you bet!

Yes. Absolutely. Letting the bullsh!tters keep on with their stuff is what is giving permission for the low vibration behaviour to continue.

*Jorr comes to memory right now, in a thread about two months ago* Calm, funny, compassionate Jorr became the warrior, I was impressed :cool: He called b#sh#t so firmly, cleanly and swiftly to another poster who had made a really outrageous assumption about Jorr's lifestyle. It was dripping in judgement, I thought. I could feel it, not nice. I also learned in Jorr´s reply that it was uninformed and drawn completely from the imagination.

The rampant and toxic levels of judgement and rancid, destructive undermining of the freedom of speech, thought and Being that are in both micro and macro are calling to be remedied. I have recently experienced some amazing revealings of the steel and fire that lies beneath some individuals that, at least initially, seem to simply be too laid back for either. It's beautiful, seeing these stands for integrity. I really liked those qualities in Jorr, all the ones you mention.

So, no, sorry, cannot abide by this kind of behaviour any longer. Absolutelyfrickingnot !

*looks over the vast Pub interior from one of the mezzanines, grinning at you* So, the Pub is a bullsh!tz and abuse free zone, eh? Sounds pretty good to me: perhaps we could make up a neato sign for the front door. :D

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/018/d/1/completely_innocent_by_griatch_art-d2z39is.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 08:50

In memory of Jorr, the first individual to post in the Pub:

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/tomterenar3.jpg

from here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42360-Welcome-to-The-Pub-At-the-End-of-the-Universe.&p=446744&viewfull=1#post446744

A first class Being that was part of the Clan of Pub. Long may his 3.0 expression have a home here.

Deep support to his beloved Marie right now.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/320/4/5/the_power_of_flight_by_tuftedpuffin-d3eh706.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 09:36

...So, anyway....

...Songsy, brilliant posts. You've created an apologia for Sui Generis.

...And for me personally, these latest posts have helped deepen my understanding of the concept.

...Thank you.

I particularly loved the tumbleweeds. :D

I also loved that video you once posted somewhere else about stupidity. I wish I could remember the title of that one, it's priceless.

I love being a part of true evolution, in communication and in everything else. :)

songsfortheotherkind

2nd June 2012, 09:39

Here's another funny little cartoon, this time, from the genius of Seth Macfarlane. Enjoy

Your subtlety, deftness and exquisite nuance reminds me of someone else I greatly appreciate-

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P1Qw4aQn8Rc/T698D83yQkI/AAAAAAAAClY/WR2MzTOhv9M/s1600/beetlejuice2.jpg

*grins over at you*

I'm still laughing at the tumbleweeds here...

REILLY

2nd June 2012, 14:34

Bullsh!t is ever and always in the eye of the beholder.

Katyani

2nd June 2012, 14:35

This Pub is an extraordinary place, dreamed into existence by a certain Songs. It's a zone of freedom where uncommon people can come together to create and explore. People with minds and hearts dripping with the brightness of stars. For those with ears to hear, there is a very beautiful frequency to tune into here.

As Cerridwen pointed out, we put down the pieces of chess a long time ago. There are so many other places, both in 3D and on Avalon, where those black and white games and ways of being are played out with tiresome regularity and predictability. We are not interested in dogma here. Trying to figure this place and its patrons out from that vantage point doesn't work. To suggest some inside knowledge into who we are, where we have been or where we are going is simply laughable.

Borden stated a few pages ago that we are ourselves here. Some people seem to find this irresistibly problematic.
We will remain ourselves here, works in progress, works of art. (Yes, Zebra, art is very powerful!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_oMD6-6q5Y

Dennis Leahy

2nd June 2012, 14:57

Upon further review...

I am retracting the link I posted as too sexually explicit, crude, raunchy...and, considering some of the energies flying around the pub right now, I'd have to add "ill-timed"and inappropriate.

Bartender, the next round is on me!

Dennis

Sierra

2nd June 2012, 15:13

Ah! Onawah! A fellow lover of Eddison! I've read those books over and over! Have you read the Charles Williams books? He was also a member of The Inklings.

My favorite Frank Herbert books (while I do love the Dune series) are Whipping Star and The Dosadi Experiment. The latter is a story that could be interpreted as what we are going to be when we are released from our prison. ;)

Terrifying ... hehehehe.

Sierra

onawah

2nd June 2012, 15:45

Wow, I didn't expect anyone would have even heard of Eddison; thank you for being a fellow admirer of his work and for letting me know.
It's rare to meet another fan.
I've read that trilogy over and over again too.
What an amazing world he created, with such memorable characters, and the way he portrayed the Goddess just took my breath away.
Yes, I've read all of Charles Williams that I could get my hands on.
Also Lord Dunsany, Dion Fortune and many others of the early masters and mistresses of fantasy.
Fantasy used to be my favorite genre, until women started writing more science fiction and the field became so much more imaginative and interesting.

I want to say that my complaint about the conflicts on the forum of late were not limited to the Pub, or even to Avalon in general.
It just feels to me like the energies on the planet are so intense now that everyone is feeling it, though not everyone feels it or reacts to it in the same way, of course.
It seems some of the more intellectual folks are having a harder time in this Venus transit energy, when emotion and intuition are forcing intellect out of the driver's seat.
I'm seeing people here in my home town having melt downs, and I suspect they will regret things said and done in extremis, once they've calmed down again.
We are living in interesting times, no doubt about it, and this month sure looks like it's going to be a doozy.

Cerridwen

2nd June 2012, 16:03

Bullsh!t is ever and always in the eye of the beholder.

That's a very true statement. It just seems that a number of us were smelling the same thing in here though. That's why I chose to open a window. ;)

onawah

2nd June 2012, 16:33

I found this description of the current energies resonates with me:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45913-The-Masters-of-Light-Days-of-Enlightenment-Are-Upon-You-by-Ruth-Ryden-May-31-2012&p=499783#post499783

One excerpt:
The pressures of atmosphere and inner turmoil are reaching their expected peak now and for the next few months, which has also caused the frequencies of human thought processes to explode with fear and hatred against each other.
indicating it is not just individuals who are fighting but ways of thinking that are clashing, really seems to describe what I'm seeing lately.
Intellectuals and Intuitives have such different ways of looking at the world, though each have something to offer to the other.
The Heart will persist until the imbalance is redressed, however, I would say, and so I expect to see more of the same for some time to come.

Borden

2nd June 2012, 18:01

This may be inappropriate or wrong and I'm going to risk it anyway.

Jorr's passing made me feel something I didn't expect to feel. Fortunately for me, I never had any falling out with lovely Jorr, and he always seemed like a very cool geezer to me. Imagine my position if I had though. I would hate myself, and the reason would be that I hadn't understood that we are all seeing different aspects of the huge 'whatever it is'. These include ourselves, which I believe we resonate here, sometimes excellently, sometimes crappily. Myself not only included but firmly in mind as I write (the crappily bit).

I cannot stand the idea that anyone could think I damn them in my thoughts. I don't ever. I just have a temper. What if one of us wasn't here tomorrow? What if I wasn't here tomorrow? I would so hate to think that anyone I've fallen out with would think there was no space for them in my heart.

Love to us all. Certainly including Carmody and Bob.

Love to you, Jorr.

onawah

2nd June 2012, 18:57

What could possibly be wrong or inappropriate about such a loving message from the heart, Borden?
You are one of those too rare guys who is in touch with his feminine side, yet isn't wimpy or effeminate, and I like that about you so much.
Please continue to be courageous enough to let that loving side of yourself have a voice.
I'll bet you have no idea how sexy that is.

I didn't interact with Jorr very much on the forum, but his leaving at this particular time has been a great wake up call for us here.
Thanks to Jorr and Borden.

This may be inappropriate or wrong and I'm going to risk it anyway.

Jorr's passing made me feel something I didn't expect to feel. Fortunately for me, I never had any falling out with lovely Jorr, and he always seemed like a very cool geezer to me. Imagine my position if I had though. I would hate myself, and the reason would be that I hadn't understood that we are all seeing different aspects of the huge 'whatever it is'. These include ourselves, which I believe we resonate here, sometimes excellently, sometimes crappily. Myself not only included but firmly in mind as I write (the crappily bit).

I cannot stand the idea that anyone could think I damn them in my thoughts. I don't ever. I just have a temper. What if one of us wasn't here tomorrow? What if I wasn't here tomorrow? I would so hate to think that anyone I've fallen out with would think there was no space for them in my heart.

Love to us all. Certainly including Carmody and Bob.

Love to you, Jorr.

onawah

2nd June 2012, 19:21

More on the Venus Transit and what it signifies here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45918-Venus-Between-Us-The-June-2012-Transit-Richard-Giles&p=499869#post499869

songsfortheotherkind

3rd June 2012, 05:31

indicating it is not just individuals who are fighting but ways of thinking that are clashing, really seems to describe what I'm seeing lately.

I would like to express that for me personally, I don't see what happens here in the Pub as fighting, to me it's all the evolution of the signal, in the micro and the macro. The way I'm experiencing this venus retrograde is that 'that which is hidden will come into the light' and that appears to be what's happening, to my eyes. I experience this as a good thing because I experience the signal as getting clearer, again both micro and macro. There is so much deliberately hidden and kept secret in the world; I'm of the opinion of the ka hunas- that it's the festering secrets and lies in the world that are allowing the sickness to deepen and spread.

Intellectuals and Intuitives have such different ways of looking at the world, though each have something to offer to the other.

As someone who can switch platforms within both of these areas, I am aware of the gifts *and the limitations* of both within me, which is why those who can dance co-creatively together while holding multiple perspectives are the ones I personally am looking for: the mirroring and multiple perspectives are my personal playground for the evolution. These hologramers are the ones that I communicate best with, those whose preference is more fluid and multilensed. I'm aware this isn't for everyone; Barbara Sher's work identifies this in interesting ways.

The Heart will persist until the imbalance is redressed, however, I would say, and so I expect to see more of the same for some time to come.

There is a different way that I view this: there is no point where the evolution doesn't keep endeavouring to flow. I personally don't see things in terms of imbalance, I see it as the point where, in that moment, the evolution has its focus. In my realms it's a constant space of new distillations and observations- there's the zeta point around which chaos and order oscillate, the dance between them creating the energy necessary for the next evolution. It's a perpetual energy machine when it's working right- the dance goes on forever. That doesn't happen in this realm in terms of sentient Beings, and I've seen it in other places.

I appreciate your perspective, it was an interesting place to explore.

songsfortheotherkind

3rd June 2012, 05:36

but his leaving at this particular time has been a great wake up call for us here.

I am genuinely curious about this- in what way do you perceive this to be a wake up call? What kind of wake up do you think it is? I experience individuals saying things like this but it's so general I never know what they're talking about so I thought I'd ask.

songsfortheotherkind

3rd June 2012, 05:45

More on the Venus Transit and what it signifies here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45918-Venus-Between-Us-The-June-2012-Transit-Richard-Giles&p=499869#post499869

I thought this was really interesting.

What Do We Do Now?

We can accept that we choose our thoughts and how they are directed.

We can realise that there is a global mind and global thought.

We can begin to know that our actions and thoughts affect our world.

Group action and thought is a very powerful. We now go beyond the left-brain and are bringing in the power of the right-brain. This is the return of the Venusian Goddess. A new dimension is slowly starting, and you just let go of the old and change your thoughts to change your life. [Only, that's usually not how it happens, individuals don't 'just let go' and it seems to my observations that the degree of difficulty with any transition is directly related to how addicted or attached to the internal paradigm the individual is.]

Venus is the planet of creative pleasure and harmony. She doesn’t bring suffering if we do the needed work. She is combining her light with the Sun so that we can end this old system and bring in a new evolutionary way.

I get this on a personal level. It resonates through many frequencies, which is how I like it. :)

songsfortheotherkind

3rd June 2012, 06:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgvK78jHUnA

and because I love the cello...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0zuU2yYt3Y&feature=related

Zebra

3rd June 2012, 07:40

Thanks for these videos Songs. Sail, Cello Cover is great.

Cerridwen, we did have a need to open the windows. You make me smile and stand back with respect. I love your perspective, it is so beautifully wise.

Katyani, your way too of bringing a summary perspective for us to ponder, is always a gem. The word dogma. Oh yes, that is it to a tee the onerous and imposing beast that runs the virus. It is the boxing in aspect of living in a dogmatic, dominant paradigm that has always been my nightmare. I say boxing in, because I refer to labels that get stuck on you - you are this and you are that and this is where thou art doth belong, forevermore.

Eeek I spent a few years, as I have explained elsewhere here and out in Avalon, in human development, designing and facilitating programs in leadership, communication and innovation. And boxing in was pretty prevalent in business and government areas. Yet, they were calling us in to bring out the best in their people, but they still operated in versions of systems that bowed to certain ideas, like a religion. It takes a lot to shift this kind of dogma that labels everything. I am not saying that labeling is wrong, but I think labels on a living being cannot last. The Myer Briggs personality test for instance, although it has it´s place to take the temperature of someone in a time of their life, does not speak for a whole person over a lifetime. But there is a perception that once tested, that is who you are - especially to a system which likes to keep files in order.

I am not dissing these types of tests, because they are valid. At the time, they are very useful for individuals to have some more insight into their make up. But that I don´t believe should be the final word, and neither should I accept that for myself either. In myself over the years, I have seen great changes - some backwards moves as well :o but dealing with the real of who you are in any given moment, I think, is where promise for true evolution exists. In my work, I have seen individuals take the MB test after a period of 3-6 months of development and their profiles change. Not radically of course, but a label officially lost its stickiness. I say good. Where is the room for personal growth and evolution in being labeled?

Just some thoughts flying from me this Sunday :p
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4405896565_2c862b30d3.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

3rd June 2012, 08:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vs-H7xLnrs&feature=related

This is from the Beijing Para-olympics. All these dancers are deaf. They dance by listening to the beat of the music in the air.

Frequency dancing. Exquisite.

Zebra

3rd June 2012, 11:28

I just want to bump this. I agree wholeheartedly with your take on the more challenging and confronting exchanges, Songs. Here or anywhere. It will only make us more sick if we keep it capped. Utterly necessary.

I also believe that switching platforms between intellectual and intuitive realms is innate in everyone and, where lacking, can be developed, particularly the intuitive realm. Neither realm is missing, it is there to be used. I think it is a choice, which one to trust more, or which one feels more reliable or comfortable to operate through. Ideally, I think, if conscious we can be operating in a symphony between the two. Much better. Research has also shown this to be the case - studying the decisions made by successful leaders. The conclusion of this one study, through Harvard I think, came down to the finding that successful decisions were made by people who drew upon their knowledge in the heat of a real time situation, but because of other emerging, radical and unexpected variables that would enter a situation, they would be the ones who threw all knowledge aside and just relied on their intuitive feedback for a final answer to a problem.

Well, I not offering anything new here. It is interesting to see where all of this is going.

I also wanted to say that I have only had ka hunas massage, but never taken the time to understand ka huna philosophy. Although physically, I know when I am connecting immediately with the deep sh#t when a good practitioner starts awakening those zones. I still have one all time favourite therapist who took ka hunas into her own methodolgy - cultural bodywork. Actually, she is part maori. Gorgeous being, I miss her. I was hoping to see her on my last trip to Australia - alas the timing was wrong.

indicating it is not just individuals who are fighting but ways of thinking that are clashing, really seems to describe what I'm seeing lately.

I would like to express that for me personally, I don't see what happens here in the Pub as fighting, to me it's all the evolution of the signal, in the micro and the macro. The way I'm experiencing this venus retrograde is that 'that which is hidden will come into the light' and that appears to be what's happening, to my eyes. I experience this as a good thing because I experience the signal as getting clearer, again both micro and macro. There is so much deliberately hidden and kept secret in the world; I'm of the opinion of the ka hunas- that it's the festering secrets and lies in the world that are allowing the sickness to deepen and spread.

Intellectuals and Intuitives have such different ways of looking at the world, though each have something to offer to the other.

As someone who can switch platforms within both of these areas, I am aware of the gifts *and the limitations* of both within me, which is why those who can dance co-creatively together while holding multiple perspectives are the ones I personally am looking for: the mirroring and multiple perspectives are my personal playground for the evolution. These hologramers are the ones that I communicate best with, those whose preference is more fluid and multilensed. I'm aware this isn't for everyone; Barbara Sher's work identifies this in interesting ways.

The Heart will persist until the imbalance is redressed, however, I would say, and so I expect to see more of the same for some time to come.

There is a different way that I view this: there is no point where the evolution doesn't keep endeavouring to flow. I personally don't see things in terms of imbalance, I see it as the point where, in that moment, the evolution has its focus. In my realms it's a constant space of new distillations and observations- there's the zeta point around which chaos and order oscillate, the dance between them creating the energy necessary for the next evolution. It's a perpetual energy machine when it's working right- the dance goes on forever. That doesn't happen in this realm in terms of sentient Beings, and I've seen it in other places.

I appreciate your perspective, it was an interesting place to explore.

Mad Hatter

3rd June 2012, 16:03

I'll tell you what, Alekahn, a clip of a girl playing the didgeridoo is not something I would have gone out of my way to look for ... but I found it strangely affecting. Thank you for posting this. I'm sure I heard somewhere that the didgeridoo is supposed to be for communicating with spirits. Did I really read that or have I gone completely berserk? Either way, the sound is unusual and made my ears prick up.

FYI Under Aboriginal tribal lore that is bad form as the digeridoo is considered mens business...

onawah

3rd June 2012, 17:06

It was expressed on the thread about Jorr's passing, and Borden put it very well when he wrote:

Jorr's passing made me feel something I didn't expect to feel. Fortunately for me, I never had any falling out with lovely Jorr, and he always seemed like a very cool geezer to me. Imagine my position if I had though. I would hate myself, and the reason would be that I hadn't understood that we are all seeing different aspects of the huge 'whatever it is'. These include ourselves, which I believe we resonate here, sometimes excellently, sometimes crappily. Myself not only included but firmly in mind as I write (the crappily bit).

I cannot stand the idea that anyone could think I damn them in my thoughts. I don't ever. I just have a temper. What if one of us wasn't here tomorrow? What if I wasn't here tomorrow? I would so hate to think that anyone I've fallen out with would think there was no space for them in my heart.

Love to us all. Certainly including Carmody and Bob.

but his leaving at this particular time has been a great wake up call for us here.

I am genuinely curious about this- in what way do you perceive this to be a wake up call? What kind of wake up do you think it is? I experience individuals saying things like this but it's so general I never know what they're talking about so I thought I'd ask.

Although I agree with Songs and Zebra and others that the airing of different views and calling others on BS is certainly necessary and instructive, even if it leads to disagreements and ruffled feathers, what I think we all most hope to see now is a growing ability in people to transcend their differences, gain a deeper perspective and come together again, seeing themselves and each other with fresh eyes, in forgiveness of self and others for whatever ignorance or judgement or even intentional hostility caused the rupture.

At the same time, I have just about zero personal tolerance for misogyny ( though no doubt there would be disputes as to whether that was at least partially the cause of recent conflict here).
But misogyny is one of the things that is most in need of healing on our planet at this time, and like racism, is one of the hardest things to shed light on in such a way that it can actually heal.
It would be lovely if more creative conflict or conflict resolution or whatever we want to call it could take place here that would demonstrate that is changing.
Surely among awake and intelligent people, at least, it is changing, though slowly and it seems, somewhat invisibly.
Though I will also call out Bob or Carmody or anyone else when I feel they are expressing misogynist views, in my experience that usually shuts down communication lines because most men, however intelligent, just can't see their misogyny for what it is, or are too embarrassed to admit to it.

onawah

3rd June 2012, 17:44

Songs, you wrote:

There is a different way that I view this: there is no point where the evolution doesn't keep endeavouring to flow. I personally don't see things in terms of imbalance, I see it as the point where, in that moment, the evolution has its focus. In my realms it's a constant space of new distillations and observations- there's the zeta point around which chaos and order oscillate, the dance between them creating the energy necessary for the next evolution. It's a perpetual energy machine when it's working right- the dance goes on forever. That doesn't happen in this realm in terms of sentient Beings, and I've seen it in other places.

Would you care to go into greater detail as to what you meant in that last sentence? Thank you.

Zebra, you wrote:

I also believe that switching platforms between intellectual and intuitive realms is innate in everyone and, where lacking, can be developed, particularly the intuitive realm. Neither realm is missing, it is there to be used. I think it is a choice, which one to trust more, or which one feels more reliable or comfortable to operate through. Ideally, I think, if conscious we can be operating in a symphony between the two. Much better. Research has also shown this to be the case - studying the decisions made by successful leaders. The conclusion of this one study, through Harvard I think, came down to the finding that successful decisions were made by people who drew upon their knowledge in the heat of a real time situation, but because of other emerging, radical and unexpected variables that would enter a situation, they would be the ones who threw all knowledge aside and just relied on their intuitive feedback for a final answer to a problem.

I have always been interested in this subject.
A now deceased friend, Dr. Christopher Hills, wrote several books about conflict resolution and what he called Creative Conflict and Nuclear Evolution.
He created an intentional community in part so that he could further study and write about these phenomena, not just in nature, but in evolving human community.
What he discovered was that most people have two centers from which they perceive and act the most, and usually one is predominant.
Of course, that changes as one evolves more and is not a rule set in stone, but speaking in general terms, that was what he observed to be the case predominantly.
He used information about the chakras, auras and color testing, as well as direct observation and interaction with people in his study throughout his life.
In more highly evolved people, there are quite different manifestations, and he mapped out what he believed to be a kind of path to what he called cosmic consciousness, when all the centers were working more in balance.
He thought that one essential key to the transformation of society is through people coming to understand more the inner worlds of others by understanding the chakras and the different human drives that they represent, from the first chakra represented by the color red for physical sensation,
the second represented by the color orange for social connection and ambition,
the third represented by the color yellow for intellect,
the fourth represented by the color green for vital force and personal power,
the fifth represented by the color blue for conceptual thinking and devotion,
the sixth represented by the color indigo for intuition,
the seventh represented by the color violet for imagination.
There is also black, where the soul goes through the dark night and the white light, where the soul emerges into cosmic consciousness.

Of course, I realize this is a rather hegemonistic and very limited description of human evolution, but when using words, one is always limited.
But I personally witnessed that many members of the community he created went through some truly remarkable transformations.
And they weren't particularly outstanding, special individuals when the community first started; kind of average, actually.
Over the years though, many of them transformed so dramatically, I almost wouldn't have known them as the same people.

Borden

3rd June 2012, 19:16

Don't you just hate it when you watch a clip about something that looks interesting, like ancient civilizations or whatever (something I just saw elsewhere, not in the forum), and the music is quite clearly meant to utterly terrify you? Wow! I mean, I learned a couple of interesting things, but it was pretty scary. Some of those clips might benefit from a different choice of soundtrack, I reckon.

UrtRYmJ9u_8

CurtisW

3rd June 2012, 20:11

Gekko

3rd June 2012, 20:25

In the spirit of this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-CpE73o2M

songsfortheotherkind

3rd June 2012, 22:59

FYI Under Aboriginal tribal lore that is bad form as the digeridoo is considered mens business...

I did post about this, as it's common thought that women can't play the didge- they *can*, as long as it isn't decorated. My aunt was almost full blood Aboriginal and she came from a mob out west in the desert- she could play, but only the undecorated ones and never in the presence of an Aboriginal man.

These days, as the Aboriginal tribal councils are run almost totally by the women, young women are playing undecorated didges in public as the tribal councils are recognising that their crushingly patriarchal and rigid culture needs to evolve. I've had some really interesting discussions with local female elders and activists about this and it's fascinating to watch a culture- that had a system of taboo and punishment so rigid and ferociously enforced that it prevented any evolution at all for 50,000 years- finally exploring itself in terms of what to keep and what to throw. It seems the ferocious and evolution halting taboo system is one of the things they're throwing. :)

Calz

4th June 2012, 01:24

http://botwt.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/strider.jpg

Peering forebodingly out of the darkened corner of the smoke filled Pub one cannot help but notice a change in the air beyond the musty smells of the ale saturated surroundings.

What treachery could ever be afoot here where so many have gathered together in a joyous celebration of drunken debauchery? What dark magic could test the inseperable bonds that have bound the souls of the faithful Pub Patrons?

http://www.trucosyfondos.com/fondos-de-pantalla/data/media/10/El_angel_de_la_muerte.jpg

http://www.excitebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Medieval-II-Total-War.png

Surely it must be understood that in a space where individuality and acceptance are the rule of law ... *one ring cannot rule them all*.

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/demotivational-posters-one-ring-to-rule-them-all.jpg

PS - in tribute (Pub style) to a fallen comrade ... and risen pheonix ...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AxTkUnqBSRc/SsnaAHtx_yI/AAAAAAAAAHc/B5YMI0Q5CNg/s640/phoenix_rising_bp-valentine_large.jpg

Alekahn

4th June 2012, 02:40

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Calz

4th June 2012, 02:52

http://www.joesdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/shot-glass-checkers-set.jpg

Played a *lot* of chess when I was growing up ... not too much checkers.

... so ...

This image would seem to imply when you get "kinged" you get to have a 2bl shot???

http://www.bartcop.com/double-shot-bday.jpg

Whiskey_Mystic

4th June 2012, 03:09

Now we're talking.

songsfortheotherkind

4th June 2012, 04:03

Now we're talking.

Yes! But with that much galliano in us, just not intelligibly or without occasional drooling.

Whiskey_Mystic

4th June 2012, 04:22

Yes! But with that much galliano in us, just not intelligibly or without occasional drooling.

You say drooling like it's a bad thing.

Dennis Leahy

4th June 2012, 04:37

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Alekhan, I really like this image. Do you know who the artist is? I cannot tell if it comes back full size when included in a quoted message or not (it appears, on 'preview' to be much smaller.)

So, I increased the size a bit:
http://www.7thsensemultimedia.com/Imagez/Orbits.jpg

Dennis

Whiskey_Mystic

4th June 2012, 05:28

Looks like a David Ho piece.

http://davidho.com/

Dennis Leahy

4th June 2012, 06:05

Looks like a David Ho piece.

http://davidho.com/
Good eye, Whiskey_Mystic.

http://davidho.com/gallery/personal/theway.jpg

Dennis

Katyani

4th June 2012, 08:22

This is something I was talking about with Borden earlier...I’m liking the Swedish influence in the Pub. Lots of Swedes. I find them very interesting. They're easy to overlook at first. Then you look up and suddenly notice there's a sea of them, being all chilled out and unobtrusive and quietly wise. It makes me want to go to Sweden and check it out.

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm developing a sort of schoolboy crush on your country.

:)

A schoolboy crush on Sweden, that's so sweet.
Then maybe you'll enjoy this clip from the Swedish island of Gotland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWZ8dEudzMk

Calz

4th June 2012, 08:51

This is something I was talking about with Borden earlier...I’m liking the Swedish influence in the Pub. Lots of Swedes. I find them very interesting. They're easy to overlook at first. Then you look up and suddenly notice there's a sea of them, being all chilled out and unobtrusive and quietly wise. It makes me want to go to Sweden and check it out.

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm developing a sort of schoolboy crush on your country.

:)

A schoolboy crush on Sweden, that's so sweet.

Yes ... yes ... back to our roots in the Pub we must go ...

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3426/3950465698_a56647651e.jpg

http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/meanwhile-in-sweden.jpg

http://s1.static.gotsmile.net/images/2011/05/02/meanwhile-sweden_130434917542.jpg

http://savoriesnsweets.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/swedishchef.jpg

Calz

4th June 2012, 09:58

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs7/i/2005/238/b/f/Dancing_with_the_butterflies_by_Gothic_Art.jpg

http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/21/267/21267914_18953210_195.gif

http://th09.deviantart.net/fs4/PRE/i/2005/139/3/f/Severed_by_Gothic_Art.jpg

http://brokenarrowmedia.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/dark_gothic-wide.jpg?w=1024&h=640

REILLY

4th June 2012, 11:40

http://technestreport.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/duct-tape-mouth.jpg

Alekahn

4th June 2012, 11:47

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Ho

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songsfortheotherkind

4th June 2012, 12:27

Surely it must be understood that in a space where individuality and acceptance are the rule of law ... *one ring cannot rule them all*.

I love this, Calz. Individuality and acceptance as the foundation of truly amazing evolution. :)

The phoenix was also really lovely.

Alekahn

4th June 2012, 12:28

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Music. Let there be music as we...transit through
uncharted terrain and unpredictable time!
Keep the fires burning y'all.
Pura Vida.

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songsfortheotherkind

4th June 2012, 12:40

http://technestreport.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/duct-tape-mouth.jpg

Who is being silenced here? I am wondering, because I am like that.

Pagan

4th June 2012, 13:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=benjMWOoD2g

... and hello! ;)

Zebra

4th June 2012, 13:54

Hello, we have Finn in the house ;)

Borden

4th June 2012, 14:23

Ah, the gentle tones of traditional Finnish folk music ...

Whoa, hang on!

Hello Pagan :cool:

Katyani

4th June 2012, 15:32

You've got to love the Finns! Very cool people.

We've all heard about the Vikings. In Finland they are undercover, and even more fierce.

Here are some lessons from the Finnish underground.
Somewhat dated, late 20th century, but I still kind of like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNFyxvIdaM&feature=related

songsfortheotherkind

4th June 2012, 15:37

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs5/i/2005/007/0/6/Light_my_Fire_by_crystal_wings.png

want to know how that's going?

This is how that's going.

Two mornings ago I was inspired to get up incredibly early, make a magnesium flake infused bath and soak in it. I started to connect with the water- although nowhere near as consciously as I've just realised I could have, so will do that next time- and I began to explore the contracts within me. I began to sense some contracts/ Monsanto codes on my sternum and ribs; I could see the constriction that had been placed on my heart and heart energy as a result of these contracts, I could see how strangled and narrow the energy was.

I was aware that I have been carrying a physical wound there for 24 years, due to someone demonstrating their physical strength over me by bear hugging me until my sternum cracked, so the issue was not unknown. I began to go deeply into the bones of my chest and immediately saw the codes embedded in them, like a grey shadow emanating from a deeply embedded tiny black microdot in the trauma site. There are myriads of interlinked programs embedded in me, I'm discovering, that work in conjunction with one another. These do *not* like high vibration being pointed at them, nor do they maintain in the face of the sui generis energy.

As soon as I cleared the code out of my sternum, there were five distinct and loud pops in my sternum, ribs, shoulder and skull bones. I immediately had the instinct to slide beneath the water and let my body go limp. My body began to move and snake of its own accord, arching and writhing between periods of deep exploration of other encoding. This went on for half an hour ad I managed to trigger two more session of cracking and popping in my skull and jaw, with nothing more than focusing on the bar code and dissolving it.

My dialogue and transformation with my body is practically non-stop now. I have discovered something much much deeper than the coding that is affecting me. This one I've known about and then forgotten several times in my evolution, and this time I've really gotten it.

It goes something like this: when we are newly incarnated, the communication and connection comes from the heart signal and chakra. It's really pure and the controllers can't feed from that pure signal- it is inherently sui generis in embryo form, the way that children relate to one another when they are really small. It's the thing that both attracts and repels adults, that openness and heart chakra based connecting with the world, and it is this that the virus seeks to stamp out first for one very simple reason:

the virus cannot feed on pure heart chakra based sui generis embedded signal.

Ever. To put it in its simplest terms, this energy is deadly both to the virus and the feeders. The virus cannot get any claw holds in when this is the energy in operation.

Huh. Now I'm going to have to express what I see energetically that I'm calling heart chakra signal. mmmmmm... grrr..... so many pieces I have to hold in the space, this is so much easier with film...

Ok. First off, most of the interaction I observe between individuals and groups is toxicity disguised as 'culture' or 'emotional' or 'social lubrication' or 'caring': there is a kind of insanity in it that I've seen since I was really small and I learned not to talk about what I could see because one was never supposed to talk about what one could see because that was not nice and impolite and disrespectful and many other things that enforce the compliance with the toxicity. I wasn't allowed to reject the toxic interactions with the adults around me, particularly my caregivers and those claiming authority over me in whatever form the rationalisations manifest.

I watched rationalisation traded everywhere as the lingua franca of toxicity; I learned that honesty was considered an act of aggression, that if one wanted to hurt another one employed 'brutal honesty'; all the myriads of lies and greasy ugliness traded as sincerity and connection when it actually was the pinnacle of disconnection and deceit. I learned that these were the foundations of adult communication. I've observed this ever since.

I've found some of the most honest Beings in subcultures that have been denigrated and despised by teh mainstream; I've found some of the most hideously toxic in other cultures that were meant to be the pinnacle of the 'new age' of peace, love and vegetables. I've found some of the greatest tenderness and acceptance and raw honesty I've ever known in the arms of a 19 year old punk poet with safety pins through his ears, a criminal record a mile long and obscene tattoos on his arms; I've experienced much of the greatest horrors in my life at the hands of those who saw themselves as pious, upright and proper citizens who would never cheat on their taxes or say 'pig' to a cop. I have experienced the smug self deception of the hippie counter culture, preaching love and light while it turns snarling on any mirror that comes its way.

It was the forked tongue I came to reject the most, that bizarre thing that those who are raised in the west do, say one thing with their mouth and another with their body and energy. My life is about discovering the language that can be spoken where that signal has no space, where one can relax back into the sharing of ideas and concepts as if floating in a pool of peace and calm. I know how individuals can use the slitherin language, and in the culture that has been created by the virus, slitherin is the foundation of every interaction, unless one is absolutely aware of it and conscious of how one is engaging that language.

It's not just misogyny that is embedded; it's sexism, the shade and spectre of racial superiority and conflict; it's ageist, arrogance, ignorance traded and polished as the norm, as they way things are, as 'you're just being too sensitive' or 'can't you take a joke'. It's the platform from which everything that individuals claim to abhor- the war, the greed, the destruction, the contempt for things weaker or smaller or more fragile, just to name a few- springs, and yet its' the thing that most recoil from facing honestly.

Everyone lies. I lie. I rationalise it, utterly, and I lie. I'm exploring the energetic and physical things that happen to create the situations where I lie, and I'm discovering these within the dissolving of the contracts and the Monsanto codes. Which leads me back to the heart chakra not being able to be fed on.

Naturally, the feeders cannot have heart connected and sui generis Beings floating about and we can all come up with excellent reasons why, all of which are part of it. So the obvious thing to do is create a culture in which, from the very beginning, the heart chakra is going to come under serious assault. We can all tell our stories of losing our Shine in one way or another, and how we have struggled since: I'd like to share with you what I've discovered as part of this process of uncovering the hidden things.

What I saw was the heart energy shutting down, dimming; the energy was pulled back into my body and closed off from the outer world, but energy has to go *somewhere*; the child is dependent on the adults for survival, and so the child begins to mimic the way that the adults communicate. What happened for me in that moment, I saw, was that my lower three chakras blew outwards and opened up, which allowed a leech-like thing to come out of the adult's lower chakras and attach to me. Initially this was thin, like a piece of sewing cotton, and it felt like caring and connection because at least I wasn't *alone*, but it was feeding and toxic in the most hideous way. Eventually I saw similar leech like things begin to snake out of my own blown out chakras and exchange energy that way, my heart shielded but not forgotten behind its safety barriers; it was there, just gradually withdrawing over a long time.

I saw the feeder energies, the ones behind this whole system, being able to harvest the exchange and I realised that for them, this is the best feed there is: the years between the initial wounding when the heart has stepped back but is not entirely shut down, and when the lower chakras are blown out and prey to the leeching. It is similar to the ideas expressed in the French film The City of Lost Children: that the feed needs to happen between the space of sui generis and total surrender to the loss of essence, and that only goes on for a few years.

Incidentally, this is why the virus culture is obsessed with youth: it's desperately trying to prolong that space, because it's getting harder and harder to find young ones that aren't burned out and cynical at younger and younger ages. It's that problem with the death system they've created: it doesn't matter how pretty the lies are that they create, eventually the whole lot comes crashing down because it's all based on lies and no cosmic signal of Life. It's a dead system, the dead tending the dead, and so the obsession with youth when native cultures valued the gifts that their elders were.

So the blowout happens, and I saw my Self being fed on from the lower chakras and learning to interact from that space- only those chakras are *not designed* to do that, so communication and connection are skewed and distorted by the signal of something trying to do that which it wasn't designed for. Connection becomes tainted with oversexualisation (first), an obsession with things rather than spirit (second) and the persona rather than the true self (third); the heart signal is converted through this distorted lens and the throat, the place that heartspeech is meant to flow from in sound, becomes constricted and contracted. Here in Australia it is estimated that at least 80% of the women have either the precursors to, or an active disease state of, the thyroid, which in turn causes other issues with the throat and neck. In Australia, there is a particular cultural dislike and disapproval of intelligent and outspoken women; America is the same, only it likes to pretend it's not. Here in Avalon there is a healthy and often unsubtle atmosphere of misogyny but woe betide any woman who tries to point that out.

This isn't surprising though, given what is built into the language: I have read some excellent essays on 'woe betide the non-white person pointing out the subtle and insulting creeping racism embedded into the language', or the same for the disabled individual trying to point out the prejudice against disability, the poor person trying to point out the white man's priviledge mentality. We are familiar with this and yet when it emerges, the attempts to respond to it decisively are met with cries of protest, the rationalisations falling like rain.

Here's how I see it: rationalisations are part of the virus. If something stinks then it needs calling into the open, being named for what it is, and an attempt made to heal it. If it can't be healed, it needs to be chucked if we want to create something *other* than what has always been created. It's that simple with me.

I saw what the years of toxic feeding have done to me. My outer physical body is like jelly that has had too much water added to it: when I felt into it it felt like it was losing cohesion, becoming mined and drained by the contracts. It's why the avatar eventually dies; it's covered in contracts and code like so many life sucking ticks that it can no longer sustain itself, cut off from Essence as it is. Everything is drained, like the victims of the skeksis in the dark crystal: there is nothing left, it's why old people are like dried out apple people most of the time. That's why young people find them so scary- they are their future within the virus.

When I saw this, I turned my attention to shutting the lower chakra gates. I have been systematically physically pulling my energy back into my body, concentrating on keeping my energy *within me* and not allowing the lower chakra connections to be made. It's something that requires my *constant* attention- so conditioned are we into this way of interacting that I'm noticing it happens automatically. I've been looking at the close relationships in my life and recognising how I do this particularly with males: in every relationship or connection I've ever made I've blown all the gates wide open from the moment I've realised there's something about them I want to know more about.

We're told this is 'open hearted honesty'.

It absolutely is not.

I've been observing society again, watching these robotic and programmed exchanges. It's all about the feeding.

http://www.eskimo.com/~noir/ftitles/darkcity2/dc07.jpg

I have found a way to not be fed on and to not feed on others. It requires pulling everything I've ever thought about 'connection' back into my body. It requires me watching my language, watching my energy, watching my Self and being clear about what it is that I want to put out into the world, to watch the contracts that are being continually pushed back and forth between individuals, to watch those being pushed towards me and to stay my own hand from pushing my own towards others.

It means I ask 'what do you mean by that?'. It means I ask rigorous honesty of my Self; it means I stand on the edge of my own evolution and open my arms to whatever wants to come to me, in whatever form it comes to me, because I embrace my own sui generis and I trust my own process. It means I look at language and point to where the emperor has no clothes, it means I look like an argumentative smart arse to some, a pedantic nit picker to others, a bloody minded and obstinate woman (where woman is not being used in a positive way); I'm a Kali, a ballbreaker, a troublemaker, a starter of arguments- in the eyes of the slitherin heteronomy.

To those who see what I'm doing, I'm wading out into unknown territory, the dark parts of the map, with only my internal compass and an intuition to guide me, because I WANT WHAT IS GOING TO REALLY WORK. I'm not interested in a boat that can't be rocked because it's so goddam leaky it capsizes every time- I want to be in the company of those that get the storm is a heteronomy creation, that don't have any interest in being a feed of any kind, and who see such moments as a joyous gift of discovering another layer of the noise and virus to clear out.

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs11/i/2006/176/c/8/Storm__by_Geir.jpg

The storm is simply another expression of energy that can either be embraced or fought against. In the embrace is the transformation: fighting against anything only *always* creates more fight: if the other individual is determined to bring the fight then it's not always possible or desireable to walk away, in which case the best option is the one well placed response. I will not let virus slide around me because calling it what it is might make others uncomfortable. I find the existence of female genital mutilation, in the supposedly intelligent and more enlightened 21st century beyond the global manifestation of conscience and its roots are in a system of thinking that is sometimes brought to my door in its most subtle, and wormtongue manifestations: it's easy to see the obviously repulsive, much more difficult to see the reeking slitherin in the speech patterns and words of those who use language as a way of recreating and upholding a system of heteronomy and domination.

It's why we need honest, heartspeech from each other: we're surrounded by the bog of eternal stench and we're going to need teamwork to get out of here. I will never claim to be perfect because that's not in my range of interest- I will strive to be as integral and cohesive as I can as I map the disease signal called 'communication' and 'connection': I don't look for perfection, I look for those that can hold together in the face of the storm and recognise it for what it is, those that will transform the storm energy rather than use it as an excuse to tear at one another, the ridiculous blame games and face saving antics engaged in by the programmed. I may be crude at times, and ferocious in others, and I will always strive to be the kind of Being that will speak the truth of me with my mouth, my body and my energy in alignment so that there is never any doubt of my intention and purpose in the moment. I will lovingly tell those in my Clan the truth about my Self, the truth of my experience in the moment, and that their fly is undone.

I so rarely understand what individuals are really saying because of the entrainment into weaselspeak. I am doing my own evolution in my own body at the meoment as my way of directly dissolving the virus within me, as best I can. it's taking all of my focus, because the entrainment is so deep. And I'm already feeling the virus finding me an unfavorable host. I'm moving my energy back into my body in the lower chakras and expanding from my heart space- which is *not* the 'love and light' space that so many talk about in wifflespeak, but an embodied, grounded, open eyed and anchored in Self way of connecting without contracts, stories and agendas. It takes willingness to be personally responsible for my own experience and I'm utterly up for that. The sui generis, heartspeech and energy create an automatic immunity to being fed on, because the feeders can't stand the signal. Which means that those who react badly to such kinds of sui generis interactions are giving away what energy is behind their intention and purpose.

Funny, that...

next up- more exploration of the way I'm moving the energy about in my physical avatar.

songsfortheotherkind

4th June 2012, 15:46

http://davidho.com/gallery/personal/theway.jpg

Dennis

I love these images. You know what I love about this one? I know that many would see her falling apart, and I see her as falling together- the pieces are moving into place, not out of them. She is making her Self whole. I also love playing shizen sho, so I love the tile faces. :)

songsfortheotherkind

4th June 2012, 15:54

Yes! But with that much galliano in us, just not intelligibly or without occasional drooling.

You say drooling like it's a bad thing.

well, there's drooling and then there's slobbering and upchucking, followed by repugnant acts of primal disgustingness. Fine points of distinction: I can tolerate the former, the latter, not so much. I had an ex that impressed me no end with his insistence, in his hideously drunken state, that my wardrobe was a urinal.

I can't for the life of me think why he's an ex...

Mad Hatter

4th June 2012, 16:49

Mad Hatter shouts the bar a round of 'nangs' with DMT chasers...

When starting from any point there are an infinite number of possible directions to take (think spherical) so for those speaking ascension can you explain to me how you figure out which way is up... :p

Inner compass eh... so which magnet is that pointing at...?

For those who like punching energy at the virus - 'a ducks quack does not echo' - try that frequency it sends them nuts.(no reflection no triangulation) :confused:

For those needing a pointless contemplative adventure I've got a box full of bent spoons in the boot of the 'Bitsaremissing' out in the carpark, mind the improbability drive doesn't bite you on the arse tho...:cool:

Ahh yes the light, the light, only required by those who have never learned to see in the dark...

or one seeks to return to the place where all possibilities exist but none are chosen so all Art is possible but none is actually ever created.

Bingo!! Been there done that, boring as bat **** (no offence meant to bats) now what???

*saunters over to the juke box*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QezNE2ZQedo&feature=related

PS Songs thanks for the upload on didge decorations I'll now not feel guilty when the daughters blast away on the vacuum cleaner pipe whilst the old man pretends he can play the N.T. one he has...

IMNSHO Jorrr summed it up nicely "I am responsible for wot I say, not wot you understand"

Mad Hatter

4th June 2012, 16:53

And just what are you doing up at three in the morning ;)

Grindstone in three hours so night night....

mountain_jim

4th June 2012, 18:38

A post to kick-off my avatar image change....

I believe Bill Ryan posted an image of and discussed this phenomenon at some point.

I experienced this personally, while camping at near sunset in an 'altered state', had not heard of this at that time, was quite enriched by the experience.

I think I have images of my own 'spectre' in my slides somewhere yet to be digitized from a camping trip in Co. in the vacinity of Mt Evans west of Denver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brocken_spectre

A Brocken spectre (German Brockengespenst), also called Brocken bow, mountain spectre or glockenspectre is the apparently enormous and magnified shadow of an observer, cast upon the upper surfaces of clouds opposite the sun. The phenomenon can appear on any misty mountainside or cloud bank, or even from an aeroplane, but the frequent fogs and low-altitude accessibility of the Brocken, a peak in the Harz Mountains in Germany, have created a local legend from which the phenomenon draws its name. The Brocken spectre was observed and described by Johann Silberschlag in 1780, and has since been recorded often in literature about the region. However it can be seen in any mountain region.

Occurrence

The "spectre" appears when the sun shines from behind the observer, who is looking down from a ridge or peak into mist or fog. The light projects their shadow forward through the mist, often in an odd triangular shape due to perspective. The apparent magnification of size of the shadow is an optical illusion that occurs when the observer judges his shadow on relatively nearby clouds to be at the same distance as faraway land objects seen through gaps in the clouds, or when there are no reference points at all by which to judge its size. The shadow also falls on water droplets of varying distances from the eye, confusing depth perception. The ghost can appear to move (sometimes quite suddenly) because of the movement of the cloud layer and variations in density within the cloud.

The head of the figure is often surrounded by the glowing halo-like rings of a glory, rings of coloured light that appear directly opposite the sun when sunlight is reflected by a cloud of uniformly-sized water droplets. The effect is caused by the diffraction of visible light.

(later edit - found Bill's related content I remembered, in his The Cry of Gaia thread)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23176-The-Cry-of-Gaia&p=246764&viewfull=1#post246764

I used to climb a lot of mountains, but this time I took the mountain railway to the summit. I’d been cooped up for weeks, and I expanded my awareness in gratitude and appreciation at the marvelous natural environment of rocks, trees and alpine meadows which we were passing through on the train. I am a mountain man to my roots, and I deeply love this kind of terrain.

Near the summit, the mist swirled around me as I climbed the rocks to the very top. And suddenly, feeling connected with Gaia, I had a wild thought. I said to myself, as if in prayer: “Gaia, if you can hear me, show me a Brocken Specter.”

Now, a Brocken Specter is a spectacular natural phenomenon which requires a precisely coordinated combination of sun, clouds, atmospherics and moisture. It consists of a huge shadow of oneself projected on the clouds below, surrounded by a rainbow halo. They’re very rare: in all my time in the mountains, years and countless expeditions all over the world, I have seen only a handful of Brocken Specters.

And suddenly, within maybe a minute and a half, one suddenly appeared. There it was. I spent half an hour filming it, in various stages of awe and disbelief. I was staggered. As in the movie Avatar, I found myself thinking: “Eywa has heard me.”

Whiskey_Mystic

4th June 2012, 18:43

Being half Finn, I'm not done with this yet. More SUOMI! Rock Suomeen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40UYV75YNCc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGsUfImawKo

onawah

4th June 2012, 19:29

It's not just misogyny that is embedded; it's sexism, the shade and spectre of racial superiority and conflict; it's ageist, arrogance, ignorance traded and polished as the norm, as they way things are, as 'you're just being too sensitive' or 'can't you take a joke'. It's the platform from which everything that individuals claim to abhor- the war, the greed, the destruction, the contempt for things weaker or smaller or more fragile, just to name a few- springs, and yet its' the thing that most recoil from facing honestly.

The sui generis, heartspeech and energy create an automatic immunity to being fed on, because the feeders can't stand the signal. Which means that those who react badly to such kinds of sui generis interactions are giving away what energy is behind their intention and purpose.

So much to choose from in that last missive from Songs, but those were the bits that leaped out at me the most.
The urge to disengage from the matrix/virus is there in all of us, but like flies in honey, we become so weakened eventually it may appear the only way back to Source is recycling via death of the body, unless we learn how to detoxify and heal, how to build the kind of community that nurtures us instead of exploiting us.
Though death still comes to us all, that is a different kind of death than just succumbing, and we can plant seeds for a better next journey or incarnation in the process.

There is so much that needs to be redone in our world, from the ground up, we feel pushed and pulled in a thousand different directions, so just staying centered can be the greatest challenge of all.
In my life, I have dipped into various groups, organizations and communities all over the U.S. which are working toward some small part of the overall re-do, and taken from each some treasure to build on and share, though there was never any one such group which offered everything that I needed.
So life became a sort of nomadic journey, migrating from place to place to find those little treasures, to share what I could, then on to the next...
Because the possibilities of finding others on the same wavelength is so difficult, I've become a recluse now for the most part, taking refuge largely in my connection with Nature, animals and art, with very few real connections with others.
Now what I come up against most is ageism and classism and the unnamed ism that discriminates against the disabled, which I think goes much deeper, as in the case of the instinctive behavior of the pack to kill the member which could slow the pack down and endanger the survival of all.
But I think that reclusivness must be somewhat inherent in my nature in any case, given that even when in my 20s, my ideal imaginary lifestyle was like that of the ancient Taoist hermits.
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http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/j/gjs4/textbooks/PM-China/graphics/Ch4/16.jpg

I had a taste of that when I lived at the Zen Center in the mountains of Virginia when I was in my 20s, and it was like being reborn and living once again in that precious childlike state.
To be able to experience that as an adult, with the understanding of an adult!
I would have given anything to remain there and go further into that realm of wonder, but the community fell apart, as they so often do, and so I was thrust back into 'civilization' and barely survived the culture shock.

But there were other things I needed to experience and learn, it seems.
Later, my imaginary ideal became to live in a matriarchal culture, ala those described by Marija Gimbutus in her books such as The Civilization of the Goddess, where everyone's basic needs were met, there were no wars, and cooperation rather than competition was the foundation of all interactions.
I visited some lesbian communities that were working towards those ideals, and though I found their dedication admirable, I am not a lesbian, and so could never fit in.
Most other intentional communities I found to be too structured and patriarchal.

It seems we must return to something more along those matriarchal lines (just to be clear, matriarchal cultures I am referring to were not dominated by women--there was gender equality).
Though it seems it will be done with technology this time, and possibly in partnership with other extraterrestrial civilizations who have learned how to cooperate and will perhaps show us how it's done.

The other relationships I am reaching out for now is via Contact with ET/EDs, and I was very much heartened by the success of my first attempt this March, when I went out under the stars with a friend and after several hours of telepathic requests for a "sign", was witness to three flashes of a beautiful, celestial light just overhead, in a similar sequence to the flashes I had been emitting with my flashlight.
I SOOOO want to experience more of that!!
I've given up on finding a community that I would fit into, but my ideal vacation now would be to go to James Gilliland's ECETI Ranch, have some major Contact experiences and take a class from their master of bi-location...
Or go to Maui for a retreat with Nassim Haramein and deprogram old ideas about how the Universe works.

And I appreciate very much this window to other souls who I can at least to some degree understand, appreciate and enjoy, and who may have some inkling as to where I am coming from, and appreciate and enjoy me as well.
So... Cheers! to Songs and pub patrons.

Marie

4th June 2012, 20:13

It goes something like this: when we are newly incarnated, the communication and connection comes from the heart signal and chakra. It's really pure and the controllers can't feed from that pure signal- it is inherently sui generis in embryo form, the way that children relate to one another when they are really small. It's the thing that both attracts and repels adults, that openness and heart chakra based connecting with the world, and it is this that the virus seeks to stamp out first for one very simple reason:

the virus cannot feed on pure heart chakra based sui generis embedded signal.

Catalyzing post... thank you. I have a few thoughts.

I am personally striving for this that you expressed above and I know that it can only happen if I follow my own internal navigation system that I access within my heart. This I was born with but there has been so much conditioning to let go of...I continue to be a 'work in progress'. I respect the bodywork you are doing and thank you for the detail in describing your process. I love to hear about these things. Periodically I attend retreats where we do this type of work, feeling deeply within the body, looking for blockages and held emotion and go through a process of releasing it. It is rewarding though I have often been surprised at how many layers there can be.

To describe the process I experience, maybe as more of an exercise for me in communication :), we open the root chakra - visualizing and feeling - grounding into the Earth. We then open the crown chakra and feel golden Light pouring in to then move through, and fill the body. We look internally for any visual or sensation of blockage and feel into the emotion that is there, looking to the child and the experience(s) that put it there. It is about validation of the feeling and releasing it by whatever creative means we come up with within ourSelves. It is deep stuff. With my experiences, the feeling of this is what is important. It is easy to come up with logical reasons as to what it is about but perhaps it will not release until we actually go in and feel it as the child - no logic involved. Anyway, I can be very simplistic in my use of words and this is not a complete description but I wanted to acknowledge that I personally see the importance of this type of work. I know there are different approaches and this has been one that I have worked with and continue to work with.

I have been musing over something lately which is... participating the little that I have in this forum (and others here and there) has made more clear the reading of energy signatures and the associated motives. I know the ridiculousness of judging anyone, including myself, and I try not to because I perceive that we all pretty much do the best we can given our experiences and belief structure. Judgment is different than calling something out that we perceive happening. I see the value in that and really, if we are open to and desirous of growing we shouldn't be threatened by that.

What I perceive isn't necessarily what another might see however :).

http://www.soulconnection.net/downloads/art/IL_LowRez_8.5x11_72dpi.jpg

onawah

4th June 2012, 23:38

Marie wrote:

I know the ridiculousness of judging anyone, including myself, and I try not to because I perceive that we all pretty much do the best we can given our experiences and belief structure. Judgment is different than calling something out that we perceive happening. I see the value in that and really, if we are open to and desirous of growing we shouldn't be threatened by that.

What I perceive isn't necessarily what another might see however .

In the Nuclear Evolution process I referred to before, one of the described phenomena that takes place in a group practicing Creative Conflict is when someone enters the group at a level of high energy, at which point they can either take the group to a higher level and there may be a reordering of the group, with the possibility that one or more may be energetically sent on an outward trajectory.
When there is a consensual reality that is challenged by a newcomer, the catalyst may change the consensus, but only if the group is ready to take the next step up.
If the group is strong enough, someone coming in at a lower frequency will either be compelled to dance with the energies of the group in order to bring their own frequency up to the group's level, or else be expelled out again.
It is similar to the way that particles of energy behave, and that's why Dr. Hills called it Nuclear Evolution.

Within the group's consensual reality, there is really no "right" or "wrong", there is only the level of understanding at which they can agree.
It can also happen that the group will fall apart which cannot raise its frequency to the level of the innovative new member.
And so sometimes it feels like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtW6crUOFQs
GtW6crUOFQs
It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) by Bob Dylan

Darkness at the break of noon
Shadows even the silver spoon
The handmade blade, the child’s balloon
Eclipses both the sun and moon
To understand you know too soon
There is no sense in trying

Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn
Suicide remarks are torn
From the fool’s gold mouthpiece the hollow horn
Plays wasted words, proves to warn
That he not busy being born is busy dying

Temptation’s page flies out the door
You follow, find yourself at war
Watch waterfalls of pity roar
You feel to moan but unlike before
You discover that you’d just be one more
Person crying

So don’t fear if you hear
A foreign sound to your ear
It’s alright, Ma, I’m only sighing

As some warn victory, some downfall
Private reasons great or small
Can be seen in the eyes of those that call
To make all that should be killed to crawl
While others say don’t hate nothing at all
Except hatred

Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Make everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It’s easy to see without looking too far
That not much is really sacred

While preachers preach of evil fates
Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to hundred-dollar plates
Goodness hides behind its gates
But even the president of the United States
Sometimes must have to stand naked

An’ though the rules of the road have been lodged
It’s only people’s games that you got to dodge
And it’s alright, Ma, I can make it

Advertising signs they con
You into thinking you’re the one
That can do what’s never been done
That can win what’s never been won
Meantime life outside goes on
All around you

You lose yourself, you reappear
You suddenly find you got nothing to fear
Alone you stand with nobody near
When a trembling distant voice, unclear
Startles your sleeping ears to hear
That somebody thinks they really found you

A question in your nerves is lit
Yet you know there is no answer fit
To satisfy, insure you not to quit
To keep it in your mind and not forget
That it is not he or she or them or it
That you belong to

Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to

For them that must obey authority
That they do not respect in any degree
Who despise their jobs, their destinies
Speak jealously of them that are free
Cultivate their flowers to be
Nothing more than something they invest in

While some on principles baptized
To strict party platform ties
Social clubs in drag disguise
Outsiders they can freely criticize
Tell nothing except who to idolize
And then say God bless him

While one who sings with his tongue on fire
Gargles in the rat race choir
Bent out of shape from society’s pliers
Cares not to come up any higher
But rather get you down in the hole
That he’s in

But I mean no harm nor put fault
On anyone that lives in a vault
But it’s alright, Ma, if I can’t please him

Old lady judges watch people in pairs
Limited in sex, they dare
To push fake morals, insult and stare
While money doesn’t talk, it swears
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer’s pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death’s honesty
Won’t fall upon them naturally
Life sometimes must get lonely

My eyes collide head-on with stuffed
Graveyards, false gods, I scuff
At pettiness which plays so rough
Walk upside-down inside handcuffs
Kick my legs to crash it off
Say okay, I have had enough, what else can you show me?

And if my thought-dreams could be seen
They’d probably put my head in a guillotine
But it’s alright, Ma, it’s life, and life only

mountain_jim

4th June 2012, 23:59

In the Nuclear Evolution process I referred to before

This jogged my memory. I read these works from Christopher Hills in college, still have them in my library, the dowsing physics and frequency explanations were unlike any other content in the 'new age' bookstores I was finding at that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hills

Nuclear Evolution

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51UFtkESwiL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

This is a large ,sprawling effort to explain the wholistic basis of the universe. There is no doubt that Hills is a first class scholar: the books spans such diverse topics as kundalini[from the Sanskrit "kunda"= to burn], the electromagnetic spectrum, bioluminescence, holography, the theory of color vision, group consciousness,the dimensions of space,the nature of time,cell biology and photosynthesis, the physics and metaphysics of consciousness, resonance and quantum theory,the structure of the self, the periodic table of elements, personality theory,sociobiology, micro- and macro-evolution,supersensonics, the power of creative imagination,drive theory, bioenergetic transformations, cosmic man and nuclear evolution. The editors have also added sections/appendices on Shakespearean types, experitypics,the I Ching and orgone energy type devices. There are hundreds of excellent and fascinatingly unique illustrations, diagrams and photos.This is a pioneering, brilliant exposition, but requires considerable patience and experience to appreciate.

SuperSensonics (This was like a lab manual workbook for learning dowsing.)

In 1975 Hills wrote the book Supersensonics — the Science of Radiational Paraphysics, widely considered "The Bible of dowsing"[43] The book sheds new light on divining, telepathy, The I Ching, Egypt's Pyramids, Biblical miracles and discusses the value of low level extrasensory phenomena vs higher levels of insight, wisdom and consciousness. New Age Journal magazine called Supersensonics "A short course in miracles for scientist and seeker alike"."[44]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2B%2BkKSoQLL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Very technical explanation of what dowsing is and how to use it to discover the invisable fields of radiation that exist all around us and what they represent. He spends a consideral amount of space backing up what he says with science. This is the source of all his other books about the nature of conciousness. This and "Nuclear Evolution" are great conceptual frameworks for understanding the deeper living universe.

Calz

5th June 2012, 01:25

Hello, we have Finn in the house ;)

You finally stumped me this time Z.

Try as I might I could not figure out a way to work in "fin" with a zebra image ... so I had to improvise ...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_I95f1DOwZAs/SwZhYQyusBI/AAAAAAAAAxw/tV0dPJDW_-E/s1600/Shark-hunt.jpg

http://nd01.jxs.cz/573/825/b29df35f1b_7395591_u.jpg

http://www.womentattoosdesigns.com/back/back082.jpg

http://www.photoshopcreative.co.uk/users/5766/thm1024/10561059105710401051105010401046105910561053104010 51.jpg

... unless ...

http://www.aquaristikszene.ch/Boersen/Maiboerse/Angebot_Master/Angebot09/Pseudotropheus_zebra.jpg

onawah

5th June 2012, 02:25

Thanks Mountain Jim.
Dr. Hills wrote a whole lot of brilliant books, but that was just a fraction of what he packed into one lifetime.
People who knew him did not doubt for a moment that he was Leonardo DaVinci in a past life.
It was wonderful to have him as a friend.
I didn't live at his community, but I visited, took a class there, went for meditations, and was a friend of the family.
You don't get to meet people like that every day...
This is a photo of his guru in India, whose face I always thought looks like God would look like if he was in a human body.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ffgcB5s1L._SS500_.jpg

His name was Shantiananda, and his ashram was in the midst of the worst slums of Calcutta. He said that was the best kind of place for his students to really learn.
When I think of that, I always think of this song
qAIIqCfoq10

His son was a "mast", a God infatuated soul. He lived in a constant state of bliss, but he was a kind of idiot in Western terms and was unable or unwilling to interact with anyone in a normal way.
Though Shantiananda said his son was his greatest teacher, and Christopher said that if you looked into his eyes, you would see such wisdom, you would never be the same again.

mountain_jim

5th June 2012, 03:45

Thanks Mountain Jim.
Dr. Hills wrote a whole lot of brilliant books, but that was just a fraction of what he packed into one lifetime.
People who knew him did not doubt for a moment that he was Leonardo DaVinci in a past life.
It was wonderful to have him as a friend.
I didn't live at his community, but I visited, took a class there, went for meditations, and was a friend of the family.
You don't get to meet people like that every day...

If you mentioned or expounded on this relationship in past posts and this thread, I missed it, having not been able to catch up or keep up with all the tales recounted here at the pub.

I am at a loss for words upon learning this. Just what I learned from these 2 books was a profound influence on my awakening. I can not currently remember whether I was reading Hills before or after my first Kundalini stirrings, but it was around the same time for me.

Thank you for sharing. :)

For an overview (for others) of all he was about, here is the wiki link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hills

onawah

5th June 2012, 05:11

I had many profound openings upon reading his books, and one of the most profound experiences of my life was the first time I met him, after a speech he gave in Philadelphia.
His speech was remarkable, and his was the first aura I ever saw, which nearly caused me to fall out of my chair.
Christ Yoga of Peace, Nuclear Evolution, and Rise of the Phoenix are still among my favorite books, for both the knowledge and the inspiration they impart.

This are a couple of good photos of him here too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hills

updated: (You can see from his face he was a remarkable man. Thanks to him, wherever he is now, for all he did for the world.)

songsfortheotherkind

5th June 2012, 12:00

I was so glad it came in my size. :D

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Pagan

5th June 2012, 12:06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=benjMWOoD2g

Hello and Thank you! ;)

This "piece" Taken at the legendary "Lepakkoluola"(Bat cave) represents the raw power energy, direction and harmonies, typical for the --> rock genre of Finland. In It's purest/crudest form. The poor video quality and occasional off sync adds to the art and feel of this rare video. Those who knows the cult band Hanoi Rocks, might recognize AKA Michael Monroe and AKA Andy Mc Coy in the video.

33 years has past since, and a punk rocker I was back then:cool:

songsfortheotherkind

5th June 2012, 12:51

Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience. :)

Periodically I attend retreats where we do this type of work, feeling deeply within the body, looking for blockages and held emotion and go through a process of releasing it. It is rewarding though I have often been surprised at how many layers there can be.

I've done work like this in the past too- I find this process most effective for me in the water which is why I love watsu (water shiatsu) and water dance so much. Having said that, I would also like to clarify that the clearing I'm doing isn't like this at all- it's a direct engagement with deliberate contracts that have nothing to do with me and that I actively and consciously am dissolving. The difference is in my understanding of the nature of contracts and how they work in law and commerce. There is a specific intention and purpose in binding another to a contract and it is this specific intention, purpose and claim of 'ownership' that I am dissolving.

To describe the process I experience, maybe as more of an exercise for me in communication :), we open the root chakra - visualizing and feeling - grounding into the Earth. We then open the crown chakra and feel golden Light pouring in to then move through, and fill the body. We look internally for any visual or sensation of blockage and feel into the emotion that is there, looking to the child and the experience(s) that put it there. It is about validation of the feeling and releasing it by whatever creative means we come up with within ourSelves. It is deep stuff. With my experiences, the feeling of this is what is important. It is easy to come up with logical reasons as to what it is about but perhaps it will not release until we actually go in and feel it as the child - no logic involved. Anyway, I can be very simplistic in my use of words and this is not a complete description but I wanted to acknowledge that I personally see the importance of this type of work. I know there are different approaches and this has been one that I have worked with and continue to work with.

I don't know if you're familiar with Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) or any of the other body based energy psychology modalities and I can highly recommend them for dissolving the knee jerk chemical history broken record responses that the body gets locked into through stress and old issues. I'm an EFT/Matrix Reimprinting practitioner (although I only work on my Self) and I can recommend learning these simple skills to get into really deep level release work.

As for the grounding down, I never ever do that. I've tried it and really blurk stuff happens to me. I kept getting told that it was because 'my lower chakras were blocked' and because I was 'resisting' the process of grounding, other such stuff: what it actually turned out to be is that my Otherkind nature doesn't work that way. How I do it is get really solid contact with the ground going in my feet and I let the energy pour up my legs and flood into my body, while focusing on the energy in my chest and letting that expand out wide in front of me, pouring my desire to connect with Gaia into that space. She responds in her own way to this and an energetic stream is sent *up* to me, which enters through my feet and pools into my lower chakras like a reverse waterfall- think of a fountain where the water flows upward from one bowl to another. It goes as high as my heart chakra. I do the same with the crown, I open the gates in me and hold a particular frequency, intention and purpose; I get a response from 'out there' that flows down to me. I expand and hold the signal; the flow always comes, bringing the message from Energy that contains the information regarding the element of the evolution that's relevant in that moment. I then use my heart chakra as a bridge between teh two energies, and they mix and swirl there, carrying their intertwined signals up and down the chakras and my spine. My heart is the bridge.

This way works for me: I'm always living with my energetic radar dish scanning the signal, my headphones on and my eyes turned to the skies, listening for the languages and transmissions that my own particular internal station and translators are tuned to. I have learned that this isn't the way most experience it and I've been looked at as if I just sprouted two heads when I talk about it. :P

I've also been subjected to lectures from 'energy experts' as to how this isn't the 'right' way of doing things. I'm looking forward to the day when I can spontaneously grow my horns while they're talking so that they go silent and then go away. Does that make me wicked? *snuffling laughter*

I know the ridiculousness of judging anyone, including myself, and I try not to because I perceive that we all pretty much do the best we can given our experiences and belief structure.

Depends on the crowd you're running with actually. I have sat beside a tiny grave as a tiny white coffin was lowered gently into the ground, the mother sobbing inconsolably as her six week old son was buried: the reason he was *in* the coffin was because she got into bed with him when she was rolling, blind eyed drunk as usual, and this time she suffocated him. After the funeral she went and got rolling, blind eyed drunk. My sister was responsible for the death of her two and a half month old daughter; the autopsy showed me niece hadn't been fed in 18 hours, apart from the other trauma she had. My sister showed up to her daughter's funeral so utterly wasted and out of it that she was incoherent. Her other two children were already in care; why the baby was left with her I'll never, ever know, and my tiny niece paid for that decision with her life.

Every day sh!t happens to Beings that cannot defend themselves at the hands of adults who then use a metric tonne of rationalisations to excuse their self indulgent and harmful actions. Love is a verb, it's an action word, as is integrity- integrity without action is nothing more than a nice idea, another possibility in a sea of possibilities where nothing is actually chosen. I've had people have a go at me because I talk about such 'darkness' - I've had it said that I can't 'see the light' because of my childhood experiences, that I haven't learned to truly forgive, blibble wibble, and for ages I explored that because I never assume I am seeing things without virus distortion- and in the end, I decided narp, I was seeing things without distortion and that some things just need to be utterly non-tolerated. Regardless of rationalisations.

Now, this *can* be done without judgement- and what I've learned is, to the one running the behaviour that is being said 'no' to, their headspace and emotional level is *always* going to interpret 'no' as judgement. Some say there's no difference between saying 'no' and having a boundary, and being judgemental, because there's a judgement about the behaviour that one is saying 'no' to, and sometimes that 'no' means that individual can't be around the one saying 'no'. To me, no is a choice that I'm willing to live into and take responsibility for.

Personally, I am living into saying 'no' and holding my boundary- it's what allows me to say an unequivocal 'yes' to my vision. There are a lot of things that need a committed 'no' these days, because it's the doorway to the 'yes' inside, being willing to live into the things that others won't and can't tolerate, being willing to open my Self to the unspeakable size of the vision of my Self that I have, the things that aren't spoken about because what if they sound too egotistical? What if I fail and can't pull it off? What if I'm just not the One I've been waiting for?

Then I turn and look the incredible scope and possibility of my energetic Self and ask-

what if that's exactly what I am?

http://boxofjack.com/files/matrix_the_one.jpg

Neo: What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?
Morpheus: No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to.

I know about the controllers here in the forum, the ones that seek to modulate the frequencies of others. I'm not interested in their machinations and I'm really glad you're not too. I love the rising of the frequency here in the Pub, the way we're getting it together to say our individual 'no thanks' to things that don't serve the evolution of *all* the individuals here.

I'm being really honest here: I don't care how insane it sounds to others, or how many trot out the experience of the Ghost Dance to demonstrate that it isn't possible: I want to not need to dodge bullets. To my mind, this is the only level up that makes sense, because how many iterations of slaughtered visionaries and carriers of the evolution signal does it take before evolution bypasses the slaughter bit? We need something far more visionary than bombs, biological weapons and visions of a nuclear wasted planet, which is what they go to when threatened; it's time to transform the frequency completely, otherwise it's just another slaughter and recycle. I'm over that. I'm prepared to be my own guinea pig- I *am*, believe me, in ways I don't often talk about here- and I'm really clear that this is what I want. Sui generis and do no harm evolution, with a large ability to back up the 'ah, no, actually' in a way that doesn't involve their virus frequency.

That's just my thing. *sideways eyed grinning*

What I perceive isn't necessarily what another might see however :).

absolutely nothing of what I've written is a negation of your experience and nor is it meant that way. I'm the kind of Being that holds up my part of the hologram in response to someone else's Art and vision- it's my way of deepening the signal and space, not negating another. I don't have an interest in devaluing in any way. :)

onawah

5th June 2012, 16:07

I've never felt anything phony coming from this channeler, and she is certainly right on in this message about the way I am feeling these days, at least, and it's so strong, I'll bet at least some of you are feeling it too...

You may reach a point at which you look around and think that you are all alone. Your people interactions feed you a reflection of who you are and keep you entrenched in the 3D version of yourself. The disconnections free you to transform. Some of the people you lose you will reconnect with in the future, but there will be others you will never see again (in this life). This circumstance of ascension may be one of the most dismaying and one that is easily misinterpreted. Self-judgment and guilt are likely when you are losing friends. Understand this is not anything you’ve done wrong. And remember you are never alone. You are surrounded by spiritual support.

Your vacant feelings may also be intensified by judging the new realities, comparing them with past 3D situations, and finding them lacking in anything you formerly considered valuable. Before you fully accommodate and integrate the new patterns, you can feel bereft of any viable version of reality to which you can attach your hopes. You find yourselves at the center of a bridge with both ends engulfed in fog.

Each ascender can release pain and help clear the fog by simply recognizing the vacant period for the transition that it is and suspend judgment of the emptiness. Be at peace with dearth. Allow this vacuum-moment its reality so it may be refilled with new patterns, improved skills and expanded perceptions for the ascended you. The feeling of vacancy should be short-lived. It is only needed to activate and establish connections with 4D/5D reality that will replace the 3D patterns so you can proceed across your bridge.
Read the rest at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46069-Bridging-the-Emptiness-Disengaging-the-Ego-from-3D-Connections-Hannah-Beaconsfield&p=501406#post501406

songsfortheotherkind

6th June 2012, 02:12

cross posted from here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46036-Freewill-and-the-channel-wars&p=501777&viewfull=1#post501777

I'm wondering, is the issue the same if the word 'ascension' is replaced by 'evolution'? Is there the same issue with the word 'evolution' in its essential meaning, which is to increase in complexity and ability?

As I have observed, there is a sliding scale of behaviour within the sentient 'I am' species of this planet, with various placements along the sliding scale within the two poles of 'adaptable' and 'unadaptable'. I am intentionally attempting to make the language as neutral as possible and searching for words that will express the gamut of the experiences without loading them with any kind of perspective other than what the words themselves suggest.

Adaptable Beings demonstrate a fluidity and ability to embrace increasing complexity than those more towards the unadaptable end of the scale demonstrate. The reasons for such unadaptability are, for the sake of the point I'm discussing, irrelevant: what is of interest is that periodically major upheavals in the societal consciousness occur and those tending towards the far end of the adaptable marker rise to the surface and set the new baseline for what comes after. As a recent example of this: 30 years ago computer competency was not a widespread skill in the workplace or daily life. When it became clear that computer literacy was becoming a requirement for the workplace, those who were most adaptable went and retrained (I'm not talking here about those who had an interest in such things, I'm talking about those who were first affected by the dramatic workplace changes); the rest followed with degrees of willingness dependent on their adaptability, until there was the large group that couldn't/wouldn't embrace the shifts and these found themselves facing either much lower paid jobs, unemployment, retirement or having to retrain in completely new areas of work.

Computers provided a catalyst for many evolutions- increases in complexity and ability- in an almost total spectrum way, not just information processing: look at the www behaves as a social evolution and consciousness tool. The criticisms aren't the point- the tool exists, just because some are uninspiring with it isn't the fault of the tool. Technology stands in its place neutrally, it's what is done with it that is a reflection of the intention, purpose and character of the user.

In every evolution, the necessity for a new language emerges concurrently because there are elements that need to be expressed that have no current adequate words. 30 years ago the word 'google' was unknown- now it is a verb, amongst other things, one of these being a way to suggest an individual take responsibility for their own situation: "why don't you google it?". We have lasers, tazers, ipads and touchscreens, we have email, transgendered, pan sexual and terabyte. These words came about because there was something that needed to be described, even if at the time the awareness of this was limited.

What I'm seeing now is that there is something emerging that is seeking a new language to embrace and describe it: something is seeking to be expressed and there's a clunking of language as this is being lived into. Perhaps what is currently lacking are open and genuine explorations of what is seeking to be expressed: what do you mean when you say *this* here? What is the intention and purpose of the communication? What words are missing from our vocabulary that are needed to adequately describe what we are seeing and experiencing? How can we embrace the multiple layers of experience that each individual is having rather than trying to negate them?

That's what I'm observing. It looks like evolution to me. Some describe this also as a frequency thing, an 'ascension' thing, a spiritual shift, a consciousness shift, and it's all those things as well to my perspective. What is more interesting to me than getting antsy about the words is getting to the heart of what individuals are expressing when they say those things, getting to the core of what platform is being used: is what is being expressed another way of maintaining the old paradigm, just in a fluffier worded form? Is it psychological despotism disguised as spiritual wisdom? Is it heteronomy disguised as evolution? That's more interesting to me personally: it doesn't matter how attractive the words are, if they've been infused with a deadly neurotoxin then they're not worth wasting time on.

mountain_jim

6th June 2012, 04:14

Also cross-posted from the same thread - thanks for pointing me to it. :)

If one understands the nature of vibrational physics, understands that nothing is not electromagnetic vibration dictated by those physics, then one can understand what is meant by ascension.

This comes close to describing the way I perceive reality, and have my whole life. I perceive all matter as Light vibrating at a certain frequency, including my physical vehicle. The rate of vibration is increasing. My personal frequency increase is accelerating. This is not theory, it is direct experience, at least for me.

I once proved to myself I could 'see' with an antenna array of nerves in my hands, by being able to identify the colors of otherwise identical writing pens by the rate of vibrations 'felt' when waving my hands about 4-5 inches above the object to be perceived.

For me ascending is not a bad term, it is a logical (to me) result of increasing frequency vibration rate out of the range of the vibration rates of the 3D matter reality currently shared here. Whether that can happen in an existing vehicle for one such as myself remains to be seen. :)

Calz

6th June 2012, 06:10

I was so glad it came in my size. :D

http://www.obviouswinner.com/storage/post-images/iron-maiden.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=133883732650 5

Songsie??? :shocked:

Say it ain't so ... :scared:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_req0ee63DsY/TJ13rZubscI/AAAAAAAABG8/BpXeAbjjN0g/s1600/iron-maiden.jpg

Calz

6th June 2012, 06:53

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs32/i/2008/286/5/0/Floral_by_souhail88.jpg

http://th09.deviantart.net/fs50/PRE/f/2009/304/e/d/wolf_eye_by_poker15.jpg

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs50/i/2009/308/9/8/Amethyst_Eye_by_seledrian.jpg

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs11/i/2006/180/f/9/Bright_Eyes_by_Shanezory.jpg

http://www.tooft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/eye_by_artica88.jpg

songsfortheotherkind

6th June 2012, 08:42

Songsie??? :shocked:

Say it ain't so ... :scared:

insert hideous zombie looking thing here

I did try the shrieking zombie undead suit but it didn't fit, and my wild, garnet colored curls didn't seem to suit the look.

Swan

6th June 2012, 08:59

Having said that, I would also like to clarify that the clearing I'm doing isn't like this at all- it's a direct engagement with deliberate contracts that have nothing to do with me and that I actively and consciously am dissolving. The difference is in my understanding of the nature of contracts and how they work in law and commerce. There is a specific intention and purpose in binding another to a contract and it is this specific intention, purpose and claim of 'ownership' that I am dissolving.

I am trying this on an issue I´ve had for as long as I can remember. My sense is - this makes sense :)

songsfortheotherkind

6th June 2012, 09:46

Also cross-posted from the same thread - thanks for pointing me to it. :)

:)

If one understands the nature of vibrational physics, understands that nothing is not electromagnetic vibration dictated by those physics, then one can understand what is meant by ascension.

This comes close to describing the way I perceive reality, and have my whole life. I perceive all matter as Light vibrating at a certain frequency, including my physical vehicle. The rate of vibration is increasing. My personal frequency increase is accelerating. This is not theory, it is direct experience, at least for me.

I once proved to myself I could 'see' with an antenna array of nerves in my hands, by being able to identify the colors of otherwise identical writing pens by the rate of vibrations 'felt' when waving my hands about 4-5 inches above the object to be perceived.

mountain_jim, this is right in my area of interest when it comes to my physical avatar. I find I am increasingly aware of the frequency and expression of it that I am manifesting in this avatar; it's part of the mechanism I'm using to dissolve the contracts and to evolve both my expression of and experience within my Self as this avatar.

I get this, I always did, even before I had the language of it: I saw things as distilling into ever more interesting expressions, with ever more complex possibilities. I have never, ever understood why individuals kept saying that they couldn't wait to get out of their physical body and back into non-corporeal: to me, the physical realms are the only ones I've ever enjoyed, it's just that the current paradigms controlling this particular physical reality clunk like a badly built car that's been made out of wrought iron covered in overcooked sago and hideous paisley tweed.

I love the kind of experiments you refer to: I have long felt that this is how individuals like Stevie Wonder can 'see' color- he also holds his hands above things and can tell what color they are. It makes perfect sense to me because of my experiences with my synesthesia, and mine is really really weak compared to what it used to be. I'm working on reconnecting with it in a much more solid way- I love the taste and sound of color, and how words taste and feel in my mouth, and the colors of words and sound...

the vibrational frequency multiverse, all waiting to be explored with a great deal more creative exuberance than it currently is.

For me ascending is not a bad term, it is a logical (to me) result of increasing frequency vibration rate out of the range of the vibration rates of the 3D matter reality currently shared here. Whether that can happen in an existing vehicle for one such as myself remains to be seen. :)

*grins at you* and really, that's the biggest game that's afoot at the moment, isn't it, the 'choose your reality!'. I too am curious regarding the current avatar thing: every kinesiology test I've ever done says this vehicle is staying, just morphing, so I'm interested to see how that turns out. I've never had a positive 'yes' test on the physical death question, no matter how far into the future I go, which has bothered some kinesiologists that have asked that question. My previous kinesiologist only ever asked my body once how old I was, lol.

He also only ever asked once if I was 'human', too; the answer he got to that changed the way he asked questions of my body from that point on. :D

I loved how you expressed this ascending perspective. :)

songsfortheotherkind

6th June 2012, 09:56

I am trying this on an issue I´ve had for as long as I can remember. My sense is - this makes sense :)

*nodding* the threads of the subtle sensation of being considered 'owned' and how I have been unconsciously trained to accept this on our deepest levels are indeed fascinating to unravel when I begin to see them. I currently have an issue with the left side of my throat that keeps trying to tell me it 'owns' me- I'm going into it tonight and dissolving the contracts there.

I'm also finding it fascinating to observe the billions of tiny signals and feelers that permeate and infuse the society around me: I am becoming so aware that I'm living in an environment of falling green numbers and illusions.

http://www.skelliewag.org/post_images/hallway.jpg

Everything that I observe in the expression of society looks like that. It's getting really interesting, this world I'm moving into...

I'd love to hear how your code dissolving goes. :)

songsfortheotherkind

6th June 2012, 10:28

aha, I found this comment again and can reply to it! Huzzah!

Mad Hatter shouts the bar a round of 'nangs' with DMT chasers...

I'll be having me a vit B12 shot, it will have similar effects. I am considering playing with DMT *and* will be doing it in the company of some serious energy hackers, just in case I get in and can't get out. It has been this thought that has prevented me from playing with those spaces with regards psychotropics, but after my shamanic B12 experience (and my less rugged spirolina level ups) I'm thinking either DMT or shrooms will be interesting. I'll be making a tincture from the shrooms so that I can best control the dose though, given that I generally require a quarter or less than what others require to achieve the same effect: in the days before I parted ways from coffee I can remember the looks I'd get by asking for an eighth of a teaspoon of coffee in my cup. :P

When starting from any point there are an infinite number of possible directions to take (think spherical) so for those speaking ascension can you explain to me how you figure out which way is up... :p

*falls about laughing* does it matter? I love this sentence, it's just awesome given the holographic universe- how about exploring deeper into the signal rather than 'ascension'? although mountain_jim did have a great perspective on it too. :D

Inner compass eh... so which magnet is that pointing at...?
*rolls eyes impatiently* at the centre and source of everything cool and froody, of course, which would be me in essence mode! In my 'Verse that is, I have no freakin' clue what's happening in anyone else's.

For those who like punching energy at the virus - 'a ducks quack does not echo' - try that frequency it sends them nuts.(no reflection no triangulation) :confused:

this is an awesome point. I am contemplating and experimenting with this forsooth. love the frequency stuff- I've been doing the dissolving from a different perspective and angle, but for some of the manifestations this would be way more effective.

I likes it!

For those needing a pointless contemplative adventure I've got a box full of bent spoons in the boot of the 'Bitsaremissing' out in the carpark, mind the improbability drive doesn't bite you on the arse tho...:cool:

there is no spoon. and now I know why- YOU have them all.

bastard! just as well I don't drink coffee anymore. let's turn them into an artsy windchime.

Ahh yes the light, the light, only required by those who have never learned to see in the dark...

*more laughter* This is the reason I wanted to reply to this post, to comment on my deep appreciation for this sentence. So gleesticks.

or one seeks to return to the place where all possibilities exist but none are chosen so all Art is possible but none is actually ever created.

Bingo!! Been there done that, boring as bat **** (no offence meant to bats) now what???

*makes wavy motions with her arms* what? you heretic! you are not bedazzled by the notion that the penultimate goal is to return to Source and the place of no-doing-anything-whatsoever? that just indicates your lack of spiritual discernment and development!

Fantastic- you're just the sort of Not A Starfighter we're looking for! Please step this way- we have tons of fun stuff in endless dimensions for Beings who want to play. *big cheesy grin*

*saunters over to the juke box*

-wait, Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs? Either you're an Aussie, or you've got a very very eclectic and rare taste in music, because I've *never* met someone from outside Oz who has a clue who Billy Thorpe is. Or Russell Morris. Or Flash and the Pan...

Great song! Great memories of my mother, dancing in the garden while growing yet another vegie patch we'd move too soon to eat from...

PS Songs thanks for the upload on didge decorations I'll now not feel guilty when the daughters blast away on the vacuum cleaner pipe whilst the old man pretends he can play the N.T. one he has...

No worries- it's inspired me to start playing again too. Great for the lungs, when one can get more than the sound of a flatulent elephant out of it. N.T., huh- gift, or you've been outback? Few are the ones who have heard the didge played in the middle of the desert silence...

IMNSHO Jorr summed it up nicely "I am responsible for wot I say, not wot you understand"

That was my favorite part of his sig. :)

songsfortheotherkind

6th June 2012, 10:34

[B][SIZE="3"]Being half Finn-

*looks at Whiskey_Mystic with speculative interest*

Which half?

songsfortheotherkind

6th June 2012, 11:44

I get time to reply. :)

The urge to disengage from the matrix/virus is there in all of us-

I truly do not experience this and generally encounter the total opposite, the sometimes violent reaction when the other individual experiences me as being a signal source of disengagement from the matrix. I really don't experience much interest at all in the majority in disengaging from the construct; if anything, they just want it to be more user friendly.

but like flies in honey, we become so weakened eventually it may appear the only way back to Source is recycling via death of the body,

I perceive and experience this slightly differently; I see that the death is the only way that essence can free its Self from the trap that has wound around it. I absolutely do not see death as an inevitable part of physical incarnation: recycling, from my perspective, is just downright time, resource and experience wasting. It's clunky and irritating, at least to one that spends all their time in the physical realms.

unless we learn how to detoxify and heal, how to build the kind of community that nurtures us instead of exploiting us.

That is one of my passions. My focus on sui generis and do no harm is founded in the vision of the kind of 'Verse I want to live in.: one in which intelligence, co-creation and acceptance of infinite possibility of expression are the baseline platform. No harm. All wide open.

In my life, I have dipped into various groups, organizations and communities all over the U.S...So life became a sort of nomadic journey, migrating from place to place to find those little treasures, to share what I could, then on to the next...
Because the possibilities of finding others on the same wavelength is so difficult, I've become a recluse now for the most part, taking refuge largely in my connection with Nature, animals and art, with very few real connections with others.

I really get the recluse thing: there are few that I truly connect with in the physical realm around me. I've had a similar past with the nomadism, less so with communities: I only lived in three and each was short lived due to the virus embedded in them. There are things that just are with me: I cannot wear watches, digital or hand wound, because I break them; the computers in the house only work because my partner lives here and they love him (his old computer used to switch herself on when he walked into the room); and I am a catalyst for change. I've gotten tired of the negativity around that, so I don't engage much in the physical world.

Now what I come up against most is ageism and classism and the unnamed ism that discriminates against the disabled, which I think goes much deeper, as in the case of the instinctive behavior of the pack to kill the member which could slow the pack down and endanger the survival of all.

That would be so for those that are certain types of animals. Whales, dolphins and higher apes will nurse a sick family member until the sick one either recovers or dies. They will never abandon their own until it is clear that they have gone. I remember watching something about a whale that was supported in turn by its entire pod as it struggled to recover from a sickness; while the pod did this the songs were constant. When the whale finally died, they gathered around it and sang a different song for a long time, before the one supporting it finally sank beneath the water. They followed their dead loved one down until the observers couldn't track them anymore, the females staying in the upper reaches with the young calves. I have seen pictures of higher apes carrying and grooming their dead babies until there was nothing left to carry; adult baboons coming across dead babies and stopping to mourn and hold them, regardless of which family group the lost one might have come from.

Chimpanzees, however, aren't like this.

I would have given anything to remain there and go further into that realm of wonder, but the community fell apart, as they so often do, and so I was thrust back into 'civilization' and barely survived the culture shock.

This must have been a really difficult readjustment. I can remember that, when we walked away from the JWs.

Later, my imaginary ideal became to live in a matriarchal culture, ala those described by Marija Gimbutus in her books such as The Civilization of the Goddess, where everyone's basic needs were met, there were no wars, and cooperation rather than competition was the foundation of all interactions.

This is a really interesting model, although I'm not familiar with the books you mention. I have had discussions with full on patriarchs that freely admit there'd be no wars or competition in a matriarchal based world; they felt this would be a bad thing. Unsurprising.

Most other intentional communities I found to be too structured and patriarchal.

Yup. Hence me being a spork in the eye most of the time.

Though it seems it will be done with technology this time,

what idea/picture are you looking at when you say this? I'm intrigued.

and possibly in partnership with other extraterrestrial civilizations who have learned how to cooperate and will perhaps show us how it's done.

Hrm. That hasn't gone well for the ETs in the past...

The other relationships I am reaching out for now is via Contact with ET/EDs, and I was very much heartened by the success of my first attempt this March, when I went out under the stars with a friend and after several hours of telepathic requests for a "sign", was witness to three flashes of a beautiful, celestial light just overhead, in a similar sequence to the flashes I had been emitting with my flashlight. I SOOOO want to experience more of that!!

Same. I'm also working on dissolving the veil between my Otherealms and this one.

I've given up on finding a community that I would fit into, but my ideal vacation now would be to go to James Gilliland's ECETI Ranch, have some major Contact experiences and take a class from their master of bi-location...
Or go to Maui for a retreat with Nassim Haramein and deprogram old ideas about how the Universe works.

ECETI sounds really cool. I know someone who goes there because she knows James and she has told me many great stories about what she personally witnessed there. Is James still locked down, as in not allowed to travel internationally? She said he'd had his passport taken from him at one point.

And I appreciate very much this window to other souls who I can at least to some degree understand, appreciate and enjoy, and who may have some inkling as to where I am coming from, and appreciate and enjoy me as well. So... Cheers! to Songs and pub patrons.

:) I do love this resonance and multiple perspectives.

Cerridwen

6th June 2012, 11:58

songsfortheotherkind

6th June 2012, 12:10

30 years ago the word 'google' was unknown- now it is a verb, amongst other things,

Actually 30 years ago, when I was in school, a 'google' was a number. It's a 1 with 100 zeros after it. A googleplex was a google to the googleth (spell?) power. ;)

Yeah, it's right up there with a murder of crows! *Giggles*

I could have put that better- I knew it existed in the maths world, but generally only to other mathematicians. Now it's known by my partner's dad, who is as square and uninteresting as the squares in Cry Baby. Even squarer. Square to the power of cubed, in fact. He wears sandals with socks. What more can be said?

*hugs you, laughing*

songsfortheotherkind

6th June 2012, 12:32

In other news, I thought this nine day journey would be easier this time.

It really isn't. I don't think I'm ever going to not want it to not be real.

Today the mother of the baby my partner is being the father to rang me in tears; this conception journey just places one obstacle after another for her. I spoke with her for awhile and helped her feel more grounded and ok; then I drove into Mullum, bought her yummy food and flowers. I stood in the florists and looked at the offerings, finally selecting some purple and white orchids and some green crysanthemums. I bought two sparkly butterflies that have clips so that they can be clipped into one's hair or one one's clothing: hers was green, mine was purple. I gave her the flowers and she said that the orchids are her most favorite flower; I told her that the butterflies were for us to wear until our baby girl is conceived and safely born. She cried in happiness and hugged me. I told her receptionist why she was crying, and her receptionist got emotional about it all too, so I went and bought her a red butterfly for her hair. She's going to wear hers too.

I have my purple one in my hair. I'm thinking about another gorgeous baby girl born 29 years ago, with damp, dark hair and the most stunning blue eyes, the tiniest bundle I ever had. I know I will always remember that. Right now it's not that I'm recalling and I am skirting the 9th with knowing eyes: I know there's nothing I can do about it. I know that she is still somewhere, out there, doing her thing; I know we are in many avatars and dimensions.

I birthed her here, though. I carried her in me and she was from me. I remember the awe in that. I remember what it was like to put the flowers around her face in her coffin, the bewildered 18 year old in me holding our baby in her arms and looking down through time at me with such pain and confusion in her eyes as my tears fell on my daughter's face: how could this future be in store for this exquisite and perfect little Being? And then the 18 year old in me looked down at our daughter and back up at me and I saw it in her: if this is all we get, her eyes told me, it's worth it.

If I live to be 100,000 years old in this avatar, if I pull off immortality, and yet never encounter her again, it will have been worth it. It was worth it for the few short years we had Lydia. And I know that when our new baby comes into the world, her tiny fingers wrapped around my finger, surrounded by love and joy and welcome, she will be worth everything, too.

Tonight I'm reaching into the past and standing beside an exhausted and battered 18 year old whose pain has vanished with the presence of her newborn in her arms, her heart and eyes opened wide in astonishment, her head bent over the tiny one in rapture. I know the smell, the feel, of that tiny Being in my arms. I remember the last time I hugged her, on her 26th birthday. She was such a wisp of a thing even then, but the power in her was phenomenal. I thought she was a force of nature. I still think it.

My heart rides a rollercoaster, these nine journey days. In my heart realm, she'll always be safe in my arms.

mountain_jim

6th June 2012, 12:58

Also cross-posted from the same thread - thanks for pointing me to it. :)

:)

I love the kind of experiments you refer to: I have long felt that this is how individuals like Stevie Wonder can 'see' color- he also holds his hands above things and can tell what color they are. It makes perfect sense to me because of my experiences with my synesthesia, and mine is really really weak compared to what it used to be. I'm working on reconnecting with it in a much more solid way- I love the taste and sound of color, and how words taste and feel in my mouth, and the colors of words and sound...

the vibrational frequency multiverse, all waiting to be explored with a great deal more creative exuberance than it currently is.

For me ascending is not a bad term, it is a logical (to me) result of increasing frequency vibration rate out of the range of the vibration rates of the 3D matter reality currently shared here. Whether that can happen in an existing vehicle for one such as myself remains to be seen. :)

*grins at you* and really, that's the biggest game that's afoot at the moment, isn't it, the 'choose your reality!'. I too am curious regarding the current avatar thing: every kinesiology test I've ever done says this vehicle is staying, just morphing, so I'm interested to see how that turns out. I've never had a positive 'yes' test on the physical death question, no matter how far into the future I go, which has bothered some kinesiologists that have asked that question. My previous kinesiologist only ever asked my body once how old I was, lol.

He also only ever asked once if I was 'human', too; the answer he got to that changed the way he asked questions of my body from that point on. :D

I loved how you expressed this ascending perspective. :)

I now feel truly welcomed here in this Pub At The End of the Universe :)

Welcome to The Pub At the End of the Universe.

This thread is brought to you by the Spirit of Folderol, the Imp of Everlasting Mischief, the Spectre of Withnail and I, some channelings of The Goodies and The Goons, a wide selection of excellent beverages, fabulous cuisine (from vegan raw food to meatasaurus Greet The Meat with More Than You Can Possibly Eat specials) and some couches nicked from Captain Kremin's Throb-a-tron.
....
So welcome! Bar's open ... :D

Find the booth where you feel comfy and tell me a story...

as I may have caught the impish eye of the founding proprieter here at this pub :wink:

onawah

6th June 2012, 23:27

I think the urge to connect and live with Nature in a harmonious way is innate in the human genome; it just gets so shut down as to be invisible and dormant in most, but is still there in some vestigal form, at least.
Certainly Monsanto, EMFs, fluoridation, chemtrails and all the rest that is provided to us free of charge is there to insure that dormancy is the rule.
And all the virus-inspired machinations that have been in place for so long to keep the masses enslaved and asleep...
I have to remind myself sometimes just to give myself credit for being as awake as I am.

I've known a few other people whose energy is just too much for electrical devices to withstand.
I am one who is very sensitive to EMFs, though I have built a cocoon of energy around my computer with crystals, houseplants, feng shui, etc. so I can be on it for long hours.
Though I should really be outdoors more, or doing art. Being online is still a bit of a compulsion with me.

To my knowledge, on this planet at this time, at least, physical death has been pretty much inevitable except in a few cases, such as Babaji, and perhaps ETs who live in ancient underground bases and cities, etc, but I think that is at least as much due to the constraints of the current topside paradigm, as to physical causes, but the two can't really be separated,
But that is changing, hopefully
Even so, from what I have read, there is a limit to lifespans even in some highly evolved ET races, so perhaps some kind of "fresh start" is still desirable on occasion even at those levels of evolution.
I see the time between incarnations as a kind of deep processing respite for most humans, which is possible only if we aren't distracted by physicality,
Reportedly, that is not the case in more advanced civilizations, and has not always been so on this planet, either.
(Perhaps you are new to this planet?)

I have been incarnating here for a long time, as far as I have been able to ascertain, and so I guess I must have decided the physical plane is where it's at, as well....but I am certainly looking forward to things lightening up more earthside now, as I feel it is beginning to...
Like Mountain Jim, I feel it as a change in frequencies, but I think it's not just an individual thing, I think the whole planet's frequency is changing.
And those who can't change with it will be incarnating elsewhere, which will certainly simplify things considerably.

I read widely, take what resonates and leave the rest behind.
Even from the sources that I take from, like you, I see virus, but it is a process of weeding out and discernment, piecing together a wholistic view with what I borrow with what from direct experience I can take as being true.
Sometimes what I have taken to be true will have to be tossed out later on and replaced with an upgraded view.
It's odd, because sometimes I will see something from one source as being total BS, while something else from the same source feels like a gem.
The direct experiences are most precious, but more rare, and those I use for guidelines in sifting through the rest.
Some people I trust more than others, like Dr. Hills, who was a true visionary IMHO; even though I don't really understand much of the science, the concepts behind it rings true for me.

Some things I can't wrap my mind around, like parallel realities, so I don't worry about it, and just try to envision the best reality I can for myself, and create that.

I am a catalyst for change. I've gotten tired of the negativity around that, so I don't engage much in the physical world.
Yes, it's like that for me too. Also tired of being a new person in town, with all the moving around I've done.
I've been in the town where I am living now going on 5 years, but still feel like a stranger, for the most part.
My closest soul group family are still in California, which I left over 20 years ago, though I'm still in touch.
Nomadic life can get lonely...
Yes, there are certainly animals which display more compassion than many humans for their ailing and dying members, no question.

I can remember that, when we walked away from the JWs.
The JWs? Apologies, I haven't read all your posts on this thread.

Gimbutus' work was disputed by most male scholars, who could not countenance the possibility that humans could ever actually live in peace and prosper, but if you google her, you will find quite a lot about her work online, nevertheless.

Though it seems it will be done with technology this time,
I just meant that, from all I have been able to discover about the newest, most imaginative trends in envisioning a new paradigm, it appears that that paradigm will involve returning to a more balanced one of gender equality, with Nature being honored, and basic needs being met for all as in the matriarchal construct; only we will be doing it with free energy technology similar to that which was used in Atlantis.
It seems that many ETs have been incarnating here in order to help bring that about, and many children are coming in with upgraded DNA who will be more able to help create and plug into that newly emerging paradigm.
Many here now were present in Atlantis in her heyday, and have memories of those times.
Drunvalo Melchizadek, James Tyberonn and others have been mining data along those lines for quite awhile now, as have many others, though those are two I am more familiar with.
Perhaps none of the people in this field have been able to break totally free of virus, but I think it is still possible to detect where truth and likelihood are able to shine through the fog, if one is willing to dig for it.

I don't know if Gilliland is able to travel again internationally, but there has been some local conflicts going on that I think have still not been resolved.
Calz would probably be the person to have the latest on that.

Nice chatting with you!

Pagan

7th June 2012, 00:07

After the invitation, I am here and just the idea of reading all this thread trough, pondering and concluding... Ill go back to sleep. Wake me up and overwhelm me again at post # 350. Or just do what it takes...

songsfortheotherkind

7th June 2012, 02:02

I'm going to answer this in short bursts, as I have an urge to deal with practical matters today: the house needs cleaning, I want to get some training shoes for me and warm slippers for the Tiny Empress and Supergirl, things like that so that I can relax and immerse my Self in energetic practices.

The thing that I wanted to answer first was this:

I see the time between incarnations as a kind of deep processing respite for most humans, which is possible only if we aren't distracted by physicality,
Reportedly, that is not the case in more advanced civilizations, and has not always been so on this planet, either.
(Perhaps you are new to this planet?)

Um, it's the other way around: I'm from those places that *don't* do constant recycling (rebirth/reincarnation), and you're right, originally the constant recycling wasn't part of things on this planet either. I'm familiar with intentionally shifting avatars (what others call 'walking in') and that's how I got here this time (in a manner of sorts- more like K-Pax than what is traditionally called walking in) because the traditional view of how one walks in actually doesn't take into account the avatar signal- essentially one has to have been associated with the physical avatar from conception or else the avatar can't accept the signal. It's not accidental or random at all, it's that most walk ins lose their memories or at best have them rather scrambled when walking in to a human avatar. This doesn't happen in other places and arrangements.

So no, I'm not new to this planet at all, I have memories that encompass the vision to create it, as well as being here *long* before the anunnaki arrived and created the homo sapiens. I've written about that here in the Pub. I'm not human/homo sapiens, so I don't enjoy non-corporeal existence: I do have memories of a downtime after my first intentional encounter with the anunnaki and that almost wiped me out of this realm permanently, so I'm aware of the incredibly skilled healers that work in those non-corporeal healing centres. As far as I'm aware, after that first brush with near annihilation from this realm I haven't ended up in their ICU since, although that does mark an 'angel of death' time for me.

I've known a few other people whose energy is just too much for electrical devices to withstand.
I am one who is very sensitive to EMFs, though I have built a cocoon of energy around my computer with crystals, houseplants, feng shui, etc. so I can be on it for long hours.

I tweaked my biology. I've got filters running that allow me to work on the computer and not get floored by lights and EMR, *and* that only works to a degree before my essence boots me out of the space and yells in my ear that I need to go and do physical stuff to rebalance. I'm going to get a grounding mat to have my feet on while I'm working (one of those mats that have the silver in them) and I think that will help, as will the return of the warm and working outside with my bare feet on the ground.

I agree with you about the art and being in nature- we're tweaking our life so that I can have more of this, balance out my different elements more. I have a passion for martial arts training and water dance/dance, so I'm going back to hapkido and some dance training now that it's winter and I've gotten my thyroid stuff worked out enough to be able to defuse the contracts on it that were making me so ill. It's a work in progress, so I'm just taking up the process of new practices.

We're moving to a new house where I have an uninterrupted view of the local ET hang out, Mt Chincogan. We're going back to growing our massive organic gardens and I'll be creating an energy training space that looks across to Chincogan her Self, so I'll be reconnecting with all the energies here that keep me in this area despite the number of times I've tried to leave it: I've just accepted now that this is where energy wants me based when I'm in Australia.

I think the urge to connect and live with Nature in a harmonious way is innate in the human genome; it just gets so shut down as to be invisible and dormant in most, but is still there in some vestigal form, at least.

In my 'Verse, the one I came in remembering, it is the Otherkind genomes that carry the call to nature and that connected living; the homo sapiens genes carry the distortion and the desire to destroy the source of higher frequency signal around them, which in part is the planet. Otherkind are carriers of the cosmic connection signal, the Life frequency, and homo sapiens are the walking dead because they have little connection to that signal: they have enough to exist but it isn't something they resonate to, it clashes with the DNA of their makers and the other elements that are in them.

There are no pure homo sapiens on this planet now. The first two batches had to be completely destroyed due to their horrendous natures- so abhorrent that even their makers couldn't accept it and that history is embedded in many mythohistories; there was another near total destruction of the third iteration and since then the Otherkind element has been so intentionally mixed in that what exists now is a sliding scale of hybridisation, with 'tending towards majority homo sapiens genes' on one end of the spectrum and 'tending towards majority Otherkind genes' on the other. This hybridisation results in two broad energy experiences and ways of Being: the majority still carry the more homo sapiens genetics due to the manipulations of the mind virus and it's periodic attempts to wipe out the Otherkind element, which ironically it knows it can't actually do completely because without the Otherkind signal, everything they have created will die. Which is why all the historical religious records indicate that the anunnaki have long known the checkmate of their situation- they've known it ever since the Otherkind appeared en masse and set up some boundaries and limits, which is openly discussed in the bible, an anunnaki document, as well as other virus created religious histories. Agent Smith told the world why this was so- the anunnaki needed the Otherkind signal to make their slaves functional and able to reproduce, the Otherkind signal needs an element of truth in the lies for the lies to work on the homo sapiens that carry the Otherkind genetics in dominance. Their solution was also their ruin.

So personally, I don't equate the deep inner prompting to connect with energy and nature as a human genome thing; I prefer to speak of it in non human terms, because Otherkind is a term I use that describes all other incarnated Beings and non-corporeals that carry the Evolution signal, the frequency of the multiverse. The unevolved anunnaki and homo sapiens don't have that signal and it's readily observable- at least to me- in their actions and signal. 'By their fruits you will know them'. Yup.

In the end, that I see this one way and others see it another is irrelevant to me; what's important is that an understanding emerges regarding the different kinds of frequency and that below a certain point the frequency is anti-life, regardless of who is manifesting it.

Certainly Monsanto, EMFs, fluoridation, chemtrails and all the rest that is provided to us free of charge is there to insure that dormancy is the rule.

I see these things primarily as an response to high vibration signal- the controllers are trying to find the balance between enough toxicity to keep the signal below their intolerance point, and keeping it high enough for them to feed from. It's also a spiritual process, because while the population tolerates it, it's going to happen. They're choosing their reality every day. Personally, I've tweaked my physical avatar to the point where I'm immune to the chemtrails and I just don't get sick when everyone else does.

*I* own my Self and avatar, not them and their encoding- this is what started me on that path, because I was able to reprogram my body...

Being online is still a bit of a compulsion with me.

It's one of the only places I can find Beings that get the sui generis concept in any degree of depth.

I see the time between incarnations as a kind of deep processing respite for most humans, which is possible only if we aren't distracted by physicality,

I find *non* physicality really incredibly distracting and annoying. Perhaps I'm one of the original group of Beings that *caused* physicality to emerge, who knows? I do know that there is a general feeling of 'keep her out of here, if possible' in some of the non-corporeal realms- I get the impression of the mind numbingly bored kid in the back of the class flicking bits of paper around and trying to achieve macrame level knots with my etheric legs while waiting for something un-Entlike to happen.

Like Mountain Jim, I feel it as a change in frequencies, but I think it's not just an individual thing, I think the whole planet's frequency is changing. And those who can't change with it will be incarnating elsewhere, which will certainly simplify things considerably.

Interestingly, I keep getting mixed signals about that one- is it them that goes somewhere else, or us? It appears that this one is yet undecided- I do know there's a ton of massive sized ships around lately, and I've been asking them 'are you guys arks or removalists?' but so far they're shaking their heads at me. I may go and see if I can snoop around...

I read widely, take what resonates and leave the rest behind.
Even from the sources that I take from, like you, I see virus, but it is a process of weeding out and discernment, piecing together a wholistic view with what I borrow with what from direct experience I can take as being true.
Sometimes what I have taken to be true will have to be tossed out later on and replaced with an upgraded view.

This is how I do things too, which makes sense to me because of the sui generis- there's utterly no such thing as one size fits all. :P

Some things I can't wrap my mind around, like parallel realities, so I don't worry about it, and just try to envision the best reality I can for myself, and create that.

Which is really the essence of the undertaking- what good is it if consensus reality rules? Useless, in terms of the evolution/complexity signal. :)

The JWs? Apologies, I haven't read all your posts on this thread.

Jehovah's Witnesses- the other energy Being I shared this avatar with got her Self utterly caught up in the matrix there for awhile... it was beyond my understanding and I left for the duration.

Gimbutus' work was disputed by most male scholars, who could not countenance the possibility that humans could ever actually live in peace and prosper, but if you google her, you will find quite a lot about her work online, nevertheless.

Thanks for that suggestion, I've never heard of her. I will go have a squizz when the time permits.

I just meant that, from all I have been able to discover about the newest, most imaginative trends in envisioning a new paradigm, it appears that that paradigm will involve returning to a more balanced one of gender equality, with Nature being honored, and basic needs being met for all as in the matriarchal construct; only we will be doing it with free energy technology similar to that which was used in Atlantis.

I remember Atlantis going rather pear shaped but I wasn't involved in that whole thing first hand, I was blipping in and out as an observer of what I experience as a major Anun experiment after the rebellion. There were some brilliant ideas involved in that experimental community. Lots of learning for future evolutions, although the Anun learned the hard way that their bretheren weren't going to tolerate their presence in a big way. That was a major rescue job...

It seems that many ETs have been incarnating here in order to help bring that about, and many children are coming in with upgraded DNA who will be more able to help create and plug into that newly emerging paradigm.
Many here now were present in Atlantis in her heyday, and have memories of those times.
Drunvalo Melchizadek, James Tyberonn and others have been mining data along those lines for quite awhile now, as have many others, though those are two I am more familiar with.

Mmmm, I've been observing the numbers of Starkind increasing- lots of Starkind walk ins too, although I haven't directly been engaged by any yet. I'm sending out the signal that I'm open to it, given my horrendous experience of it- I'm aware that it can be done much more easily *and* we need a place to do it. It will be interesting to have Starkind, Anun and Otherkind all back in the same place again, and all the hybridisations of those elements... *big cheesy grin*

Perhaps none of the people in this field have been able to break totally free of virus, but I think it is still possible to detect where truth and likelihood are able to shine through the fog, if one is willing to dig for it.

I don't know truth, I just go with resonance: truth being the subjective thing that it is, and the interpretation of same being the foundation for so much conflict when One Truth is expounded- and then pounded. I like the word resonance, because my resonance doesn't have to look like anyone else's. This is Shiny for everyone involved. :D

I don't know if Gilliland is able to travel again internationally, but there has been some local conflicts going on that I think have still not been resolved. Calz would probably be the person to have the latest on that.

Thanks, I'll point that question at him or he can just respond to this:

*shouts down the hallway* Hey, I know you're listening- can you fill me in on the situation with James and travel at all?

Nice chatting with you!

*bows, grinning* Same here.

onawah

7th June 2012, 02:04

PS Songs, have you seen WCBD's post here yet?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening/page726

onawah

7th June 2012, 03:25

Songs, for thyroid, have you tried Royal Peruvian Maca?
It's been very big with the raw foodists for quite a while now.
It can help to rejuvenate the endocrine system.
I've been taking it daily for a number of years and it really helps keep me grounded.

I understand what you mean by truth.
Perhaps 'probabilities' is a better word.
Defining it is a slippery slope, but that's good practice for seeing in the dark, at least.

I will probably have to go back now and read more of your posts on your Otherkind history, which intrigues me.
I didn't realize you are a walk-in.
(Can you give me an approximate page in the thread to start in?
Thanks!)

Wow! You don't actually mean Jehovah's Witnesses?
I can by no stretch of the imagination see you in one of those cells, though perhaps the Australian ones aren't as boring and pasty faced as the American ones generally are.
That is sure convincing proof that you must be a walk-in! :lol:
I still remember the sad JWs that used to come to our door when I was young and the polite excuses I would struggle to come up with to get them to leave asap, without hurting their feelings.
Here in Arkansas, one is more inclined to run into Mormons, who I find much more obnoxious.
But I always felt so sorry for the JWs.
Even to as young a girl as I was, they looked so very lost to me.
Finally, as a young adult, I would just say, "Sorry, I'm a Hindu" or a Buddhist, or a Wiccan, or whatever path I was exploring at the time.
That got rid of them quickly enough, though I was a little sorry to shock them so...

I identify much more with what I think are the Pleiadian origins of my soul group than I do with what I think you are identifying as humankind.
And the "humans" I do have some resonance with I'm sure all have some otherkind in them, as they aren't your run of the mill humans.

And the Annunaki woman I met was not my cup of tea at all.
She ended up moving to New York City, with the ambition of becoming a super model, which I could imagine her being. VERY ambitious!

Mad Hatter is certainly in top form lately!
I am missing Borden's self deprecating humor.
I hope he is not drinking alone these days.

:wave:

mountain_jim

7th June 2012, 03:49

Like Mountain Jim, I feel it as a change in frequencies, but I think it's not just an individual thing, I think the whole planet's frequency is changing. And those who can't change with it will be incarnating elsewhere, which will certainly simplify things considerably.

Interestingly, I keep getting mixed signals about that one- is it them that goes somewhere else, or us? It appears that this one is yet undecided-

I also sense the vibrational frequency of matter on the planet rising, but am not yet conscious of where this is leading.

I don't know truth, I just go with resonance: truth being the subjective thing that it is, and the interpretation of same being the foundation for so much conflict when One Truth is expounded- and then pounded. I like the word resonance, because my resonance doesn't have to look like anyone else's. This is Shiny for everyone involved. :D

I like the word also, having always been a 'vibration feeler' type, in the areas I felt my perceptual abilities were most developed.

Swan

7th June 2012, 09:25

Mmmm, I've been observing the numbers of Starkind increasing- lots of Starkind walk ins too, although I haven't directly been engaged by any yet. I'm sending out the signal that I'm open to it, given my horrendous experience of it- I'm aware that it can be done much more easily *and* we need a place to do it. It will be interesting to have Starkind, Anun and Otherkind all back in the same place again, and all the hybridisations of those elements... *big cheesy grin*

I would love to know more about starkind, otherkind, anun and anunaki. I am not well read on the subject, intentionally. I decided I prefered to let my own experiences guide my way. But I would like to read more from you... :)

songsfortheotherkind

7th June 2012, 11:52

It will be interesting to have Starkind, Anun and Otherkind all back in the same place again, and all the hybridisations of those elements... *big cheesy grin*

I would love to know more about starkind, otherkind, anun and anunaki. I am not well read on the subject, intentionally. I decided I prefered to let my own experiences guide my way. But I would like to read more from you... :)

I am so frustrated with time at the moment, because there are so many things I would love to be playing with and doing, the film about these histories being one of them. I'm hoping to organise time over the next day or so to get some major writing done. I *so* want to talk about all this...

songsfortheotherkind

7th June 2012, 11:55

Borden, please come home: may your journeys in the otherrealms bring you good stuff and then you tell me about it.

Your silences feel like they go on for a year. I'm glad that this one isn't because we're throwing lightsabres at each other.

I still miss you though.

Paula

7th June 2012, 14:16

PS Songs, have you seen WCBD's post here yet?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening/page726

Hello, Onawah

Thank you for your kind gesture. It's deeply felt and appreciated.
Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

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Paula

7th June 2012, 14:21

Thank you, Songsie. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/bighug.gif

I'll treasure what you said about Michael's eyes. I hadn't seen that until you pointed it out. The same picture is right here where I play. When I look into his eyes, my heart does a big blub-dub. Different kind of connection. Thank you for that puzzles piece.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

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PS From one Mom to another Mom, I’m thinking of you these days. Michael’s birthday is June 19th.

onawah

7th June 2012, 14:30

There's a website here:
http://bluestarspeaks.com/
that was created by two channelers who say they are walk-ins, Celestial and David.
Celestial channels a being who calls himself Blue Star, a Pleiadian who still thinks of himself as Celestial's father.
I find those messages to be of interest at times, and have emailed with Celestial directly on occasion.
I like her vibe.
Blue Star is a very crusty old being, but I kind of like him too.
They're having a "Walk-In Summit"
September 14th, 15th and 16th of 2012, Pagosa Springs, Colorado
Now, that should be an interesting group!

Who are the Anun? (At first, I thought that was an abbreviation for Annunaki.)
Songs, could you please give a reference to the page numbers on this thread where that was discussed? Thanks!

onawah

7th June 2012, 18:10

songsfortheotherkind

8th June 2012, 08:52

cross posted from here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46036-Freewill-and-the-channel-wars&p=503007&viewfull=1#post503007

But, but ,but!! Writing in such a way as to not cause others' egos to rear up in self defence is using the language of the Sui generis!!?? It's honouring and allowing others unique and different perspective, their Sui Generis. No?

The language of the sui generis does not involve egos, at all, which is why it can trigger so many upon hearing it. Ego as a negative isn't used in the sui generis vocabulary- it doesn't describe anything that is encompassed by a sui generis society. If one is a singularity, what does the word ego actually describe? If one is seeking to describe an expression in another that is less than sui generis, how does 'ego' actually accurately describe this?

(As an aside, I find it unsurprising that a whole negative thought system has arisen around the concept of the 'ego', which in itself describes nothing more than an element of the singularity of all sui generis Beings; all healthy Beings create an internal interface with the external world and a failure or inability to do so results in such conditions as extreme autism and catatonia. Not useful in terms of interacting with an external world. Personally, I experience the persistent tar and feather job on the 'ego' as a very interesting form of a virus based attempt at destroying the singularity of the Being, which is in harmony with many other homogenising and heteronomous tactics employed in many other ways).

In sui generis language there's an intrinsic, embedded conceptual foundation that indicates both an absolute acceptance of the other individual and an unquestioning holding of space for personal responsibility, because without absolute personal responsibility there is only a base form of sui generis that is being practiced.

There is a *vast* difference in the kind of communication that happens between two individuals that utterly embrace their personal responsibility, who hold their own and the other's sui generis in equal vibration and who embody the principle of 'do no harm': it means they're engaging on a pure essence level, with zero 'defense' mechanisms and internal contracting.

This does not happen here at this point in time. I have yet to find *anyone* that, at some point or another, does not trot out a version of the heteronomy- which is the virus. I'm living into that sui generis way of communicating and I'm nowhere near that pure essence signal; the majority, who are still embedded in the virus mind, generally have zero clue what I'm extending when I extend that energy towards them. They grab their maps and filters and apply them to me, which is part of the 'contracts' discussion we're having in the Pub. Social stroking is the way society manages its addictions and fears and the vibration and embedded signal in the way individuals communicate with one another is part of this stroking.

Now, if a Being shows up that doesn't mirror those social strokings and rituals, it can cause individuals, groups, and sometimes entire mobs, to freak out. An example: as so many new Beings were showing up with an immunity to social programming and other such rubbish, the establishment saw this as an unhealthy condition (which, from their perspective, it is) and so the diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome was spread across a far, far wider spectrum of society than the diagnosis was originally created for.

We also have defiance and non-compliance disorders coming at society from all directions as by the 'authorities'. Unsurprisingly, many of the markers for highly gifted individuals fall inside the parameters of both defiance disorders and Aspergers; were Da Vinci to be born in this world now, and especially if he was born in the US, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he would be seen as problematic by the school system, be diagnosed with several 'disorders' and most likely medicated.

So I experience this 'writing in such a way-' thing as speaking very diluted sui generis in such a way that isn't going to freak the other out.

Here's the thing: I can't speak diluted anything, let alone sui generis. I know that others are really good at dilution/teaching (essentially, teaching *is* the ability to dilute something down so that it can be absorbed in gradually increasing conceptual and practical expressions) and good teachers can modulate their way of communicating so that they can keep diluting something enough until they get to the point of dilution necessary for the learner. I usually don't have the space in me to do that although to some degree I can and this post is an example of where I go with that- some individuals are brilliant pre-school teachers, or primary school teachers, or high school, or college; I have been asked to express stuff at post doctorate level. I simply can't do kindergarten.

Anyone talking at a level higher than the listener is running the risk of triggering *something* in them; the issue then isn't in the sui generis, it's in a whole bunch of perceptual glitches and psychological entrainment that go along with the social programming structure that this society creates.

Examples: someone recently posted on the forum regarding some interesting studies done around exploring how competent individuals in society generally consider themselves to be, and this highlighted the vast difference between where individuals thought their competence was (which was usually high) and where it *actually* was (which was much lower). This was posted in a thread regarding the subject of 'why intelligent government will never happen', if I recall correctly, and it was a study that I reposted in several places.

Another: the inbuilt entrainment that causes individuals to automatically assume that an intelligent individual is 'trying to make them look stupid' or 'thinks they think they're better than everyone else, don't you!' because they're not talking in a way that makes the listener feel comfortable. Often, for an intelligent individual, this can mean that one's conversation level has to drop so low as to become utterly painful and like wading through neck deep molasses. It actually can cause headaches and stress, but to the listener, this distress looks like arrogance.

The following took me approx 1.6 seconds to google. There are articles like this all over the net.

Any significant difference in intelligence between two people makes deep social connection a challenge. This point annoys people on both sides of the arbitrary cutoff point, but some research points to IQ differences of more than 15 points as sufficient to bar intimate, intellectual, and emotionally mutual understanding. Friendship is possible, but a certain level of closeness will not be present. In these situations, the gifted person may feel frustrated and the normal friend may think the gifted one is weird. Normal kids sometimes label a gifted kid "dumb" because what he or she says does not seem to make sense.

source: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n55503806/

What I'm saying is, sometimes, it doesn't matter how carefully one presents an idea, if it's a) too far above the understanding of the individual, b) it rocks their world too much, including about how they see themselves or c) threatens societal or personal sacred cows, there's quite likely going to be some pretty stellar 'ego' reactions. It's not my area of interest to avoid this; I'm personally interested in exploring with a group of individuals who a) have a diverse area of interests, expertise and ability and b) have a grasp of the concept of the sui generis in a solid enough way that they're able to undertake co-creation as a full on exploration of how sui generis might actually work within such diversity and c) are personally responsible enough to deal with their own freak outs.

A very simple way of describing this is: I'm a R and D Being. I utterly suck at tech support.

I don't intrude on others when their cups are full, generally. It's pointless and serves neither you or them. There has to be some sort of crack in the belief system! Some sort of openness.

Hence my interest in research and development- anyone involved in R and D is naturally questioning things already.

Oh, and the love. I'm not talking about the sweaty, bed shaking variety s. If that's what you are talking about!!:I've been there, done that. No, a book and a cup of tea is more my line!

That's interesting- you just merged the expression of physical sex based connection and love. I wasn't expressing that connection at all- and individuals wonder why I am so "nitpicky" about the word love. *grinning* I've experienced individuals getting really irritated with me when I ask them to define how they're using that word, for precisely this reason.

I was talking about the 'love for all Beings' sort of idea, which I don't personally express and engage in because, as you just so beautifully demonstrated, that idea and language is clunky and too muddied for clear communication. In the ancient Greek, there was eros and agape, 'brotherly' love, which was based on principles and actions rather than any emotion- agape I get, it's closer to the sui generis way of treating each other than any 'love one another' concept that I've seen promoted, which often contains worlds of emotional goo.

Filmmakers have a great opportunity to convey powerful messages. Good for you.

Thanks! *grinning* Although how many would be interested in watching things I would produce, given the way I experience and express my 'Verse, I have no clue. :D

songsfortheotherkind

8th June 2012, 09:12

Thank you, Songsie.

I'll treasure what you said about Michael's eyes. I hadn't seen that until you pointed it out. The same picture is right here where I play. When I look into his eyes, my heart does a big blub-dub. Different kind of connection. Thank you for that puzzles piece.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

http://www.white-light-books.com/heart.gif

PS From one Mom to another Mom, I’m thinking of you these days. Michael’s birthday is June 19th.

So close to the solstice, like her Reborning day- here it is winter solstice, the time of the greatest inner expression turning back towards the outer expression. We have a fire festival here that I'll be going to on the 23rd, in celebration of the solstice, as well as our own proper solstice event on the 21st, which Triffid_Hunter and I deliberately chose as our wedding date five years ago. On both of these events we'll be doing a version of the Japanese 'soul boats' that are part of the Obon festival, the Festival of Souls or the Festival of Lanterns.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2486/3761478332_d99e7cd9e7.jpg

On the 21st our family will be gathering by the sea to send out a lantern for Krystal, one for Lydia, one for our son Rune and one for my twin daughters Savannah and Sirocco, and our Songs of love and blessing for wherever they are in the multiverse. On the 23rd, the same is done but by sending the paper lanterns into the air over a giant bonfire, so that they leap up and become upward flying sparks.

I would consider it a privilege to send out a lantern for Michael, one mother to another, with your blessings and permission, if you would like that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kzG4cnXzmSo/S8WGh3-keUI/AAAAAAAAC1g/l71mg3cFp5w/s1600/PhoenixRising.jpg

Paula

8th June 2012, 12:56

Paula

8th June 2012, 18:18

:ranger: Songsie, I was out when I realized that I should not have made the assumption to join without permission. I will not be offended if it’s not acceptable. My heart is there even without the invasion of peeking about. PM me if you prefer privacy for your family.

Otherwise, I'll see you in a couple of weeks, if not sooner. I say this because today, the Avalonian Family was traversing timelines. We all ran my errands this morning, including a walk by a river in the local state forest.

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif There were one-to-one chats that retreated into the whole for group chat and energy share. Strange, yet more real than what's real to most.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

1inMany

9th June 2012, 02:12

Wow, I could use a drink. Any room for a being from pom-pom land?

I previously shared, in another thread...
I do not have any memories of other incarnations (I think that's the right word lol)...of existence in other times or in other places. What I have is I guess a memory of sorts, but only one. One day my husband was telling me about his dream the night before. We started talking about recurring dreams. Out of the blue I described something to him, and I described it as a dream. The only problem was that I hadn't dreamed it the night before. It felt like a recurring dream, so I started thinking back to identify exactly when I had dreamed it. Funny, I did not remember ever dreaming it. But it felt so familiar...

This "dream" perplexed me for weeks. And one day it popped into my mind, "it wasn't a dream, it is a memory." Oh, well, now that got my attention. After the surprise settled, I could feel the truth that it was a memory. It's the only one I have:

I was in a place, but it was not really a place...thus I refer to it lovingly as my place-but-not-a-place. It was yellow and light, like the sun-golden, all encapsulating, but not just a color or a light...it was different, more somehow. I was in this..."stuff"...and I looked around in my mind and I saw that it was pure existence with depth. Out of this, something materialized. It looked like one of those pom-poms that are sold in craft and hobby stores for kids' crafts...spherical...thus I also lovingly refer to it as "pom-pom-land"...This sphere had shiny gold on the ends of it's yarn-like boundary things. It spoke to my mind, and had the voice of my biological mother. At the time I thought it must be my mom, but later realized that is the voice it chose so that I would feel comfort there. No idea what she said, the importance was that I felt at home. There were a few of this presences, they materialized and then once again became part of the whole. There was a sense of completeness, wholeness, with absolutely no individualization in the sense that any one of these was separate from the whole.

So...what do you suppose a pom-pom would drink? (Needed some levity....hope you don't mind...)

Much Love,

Cerridwen

9th June 2012, 03:40

Wow, I could use a drink. Any room for a being from pom-pom land?

So...what do you suppose a pom-pom would drink? (Needed some levity....hope you don't mind...)

Much Love,

Welcome to The Pub, 1inMany. Interesting dream/memory, thanks for sharing. :)

A drink for a pom-pom huh? I'd say a margarita in one of those huge, almost fishbowl type of glasses.

http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/CerridwenSoap/Pics/images-31.jpg

That way, we could just sit your pom-pom Self down inside it and you could get tipsy through osmosis. *Giggles*

http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/CerridwenSoap/Pics/images-29.jpg

Silly enough for ya? :p

songsfortheotherkind

9th June 2012, 07:56

:ranger: Songsie, I was out when I realized that I should not have made the assumption to join without permission. I will not be offended if it’s not acceptable. My heart is there even without the invasion of peeking about. PM me if you prefer privacy for your family.

Paula, simply this: if you hadn't been invited, I wouldn't have offered. I love your energy and I love co-creation- how could the joining of our energies for such a gorgeous reason ever be anything but beautiful? :)

Otherwise, I'll see you in a couple of weeks, if not sooner. I say this because today, the Avalonian Family was traversing timelines. We all ran my errands this morning, including a walk by a river in the local state forest.

I'm around- I want to see if there's a way I can stream the sending of the lanterns while we're doing it. :)

*hugs*

Paula

9th June 2012, 08:41

Life Unfolding: the heart is key. It's the driver.

I experience life like folds in a blanket. Time warps in waves. Where there are overlapping folds in the time lines, multi-points become one and the same. For now, it's more in theory, but inner knowing and doing are much stronger these days. It works with healing past in the present.

Experiencing two places at the same time, I know I can do. Imagination, plays a a big part in the beginning. I know I do it because there was a man that sees people that bi-locate. Years ago that gave me the feed back that I needed. He saw me in the place I wanted to be but chose the other instead. With his feed back I was able to fit some of the puzzle together. Key is patience and the belief it’s beyond imagination. I visit my siblings that way and sense they are doing the same. I say this because they come to me. It use to be me to them. The same with an old, dear friend. (Not concrete proof, but there are calls to see if one is thinking of the other. It's enough for me.)

My newest thing is like when one spreads a fresh set of sheets on a bed, pulling future into present, making it all one blanketed timeline. This is mostly theory for now. Synchronicities will be my concrete proof. Letting it cook for now. That way, knowledge comes in fresh and honest. Then I go where it directs. With the change in higher energy frequencies for us, these timeline synchronicities attract like magnets. Whoosh - be ready to accept action of change. (Is the way it’s seen in Now time.)

songsfortheotherkind

9th June 2012, 12:02

http://www.heavenaddress.com/Krystal-Jesse-LOWE/317498/

I had the most amazing experience last night. I'll write about it soon...

songsfortheotherkind

10th June 2012, 03:09

Last night I was meditating and thinking about Krystal; I was letting the memories and feelings swirl about me, letting my Self reach out and expand towards the energy with a view to seeing if she was ok.

I knew it was useless looking for her as she was here, because that's simply not how she is anymore and I know that. This nine day journey has brought me many awarenesses, one of which has been the confirmation that Krystal wasn't actually part of my usual network of connections: she was here primarily for the energetic pattern of her father, not me, and it was confirmed to me that it was this signal she was following and working with.

I saw a young girl, about 14 months old, playing. She was seriously absorbed in her activity and she had light brown, curly hair and was bent over in concentration. I have no idea if it was in the present or the future and yet what I clearly got was the message that she was *someone else's daughter now*. I saw that she was on another journey and that she didn't remember me in that avatar at all, she was living into another experience and life that doesn't involve me or my signal at all.

I sat and looked at her in this space, really looked at her, and thought about what this was showing me. I realised that regardless of future or present, she was someone else's child now; she's not part of my soul group and I have known that for awhile. She has never visited me in my dreams, or energetically, not since the first month of her leaving: she simply moved back into the multiverse and gravitated towards the signal that she belonged to, that of her father and her children and her life that she had long created without me and her *own* evolution, however that manifests.

I realised that what I have of her is the energetic echo of her within the holographic memory of Gaia her Self, the Terran equivalent of the energetic memory system accessed by the Pandoran Tree of Souls: her signal, the echo avatar of her is part of the planetary and universal hologram in the space/time we inhabited together and it is this that I am connected to, can interact with and communicate with. I understand this, because of the way that I experience the multiverse and the holographic way of Being; I have experienced spending lengths of time in other physical avatars in other dimensions where the avatar is inhabited by another entirely separate, fully sentient and energetically whole expression of 'me'. I have had the experience of having one of those expressions turn and directly look at me, smiling and saying 'I've been waiting for your visit!' before inviting me to share the avatar. Five years ago I spent almost six months living in two separate dimensions simultaneously and it was really really amazing; imagine having one's mind on splitscreen mode and using the latent abilities of the avatars to manage the simultaneous experiences.

I've mentioned before I'm familiar with multiple Self mode; this is me expressing that I'm also very familiar with interdimensional multi Self mode and the odd physicality that goes along with this. I'm deliberately working on deep mode contract dissolving because I'm aware that some of the really deep contracts and ownership stamps that are lurking on the biology are directly connected to limiting and preventing entirely the access of the doorways within to 'jump' space.

Some of this is part of the quarantine protocols that are on this planet: do a google search on 'demons confined to earth' to see a rich and mysterious palette of contorted history and manipulation regarding this process, which I will talk about at a later time but suffice to say that the quarantine is intentional and necessary- who wants virus laden Beings infecting the rest of the multiverse? So there are necessary quarantine protocols to negotiate and then there are the proprietary stamps on the biology, which are two entirely different things.

In essence, I understand that my connection with the Being that my daughter became after her month here post accident does not exist. I am deeply connected to her energetic echo *and* that's simply one tiny aspect of the rich palette that she is, which I know and am aware of in the hologram and which isn't involved with me much now. After I realised the hologram and Tree of Souls aspect, I was talking with Borden about it all and I said that I understood why in part she chose me: it was because I could get this level of Being and would be fully able to let her go energetically.

In the very moment when I was expressing this to him my bedroom suddenly filled with enormous energy; my heart chakra became lit up and I 'saw' an energetic Being turn and smile at me, and expand towards me briefly. I know it was her in another expression and her energy briefly reached out and touched mine and I got the most profound sense of 'thank you' before the window closed again and I was left in amazement and joy.

I am now able to use the pathways that I know for connecting with Echoes to begin my relationship with that aspect of her here in the Gaian hologram. I know that, if Gaia *does* make the decision to 'walk in' to another planetary avatar then I'll see what happens at that point: right now, I know that my daughter's Echo is somewhere out there and I fully get this multiversal way of doing things. I also know that I'm really good at this particular aspect of energetic work, it's one of the pathways used in the energy psychology practice I am familiar with.

I feel so grateful to have been given this aspect of the hologram to discover and connect to: it's one I really enjoy, this physical-realm-in-connection-to-dissolving-the-veil exploration. I want the whole translocation thing, to name one skill amongst a long list of 'I'd like *this* back, thanks': I do wander the otherrealms all the time but my pathways aren't richly physical, it's almost always energetic. For a long time that's bothered me- now I'm beginning to figure out what that's about; I'm good at bridging worlds and right now the worlds that I'm looking at bridging are the corporeal and non-corporeal. It seems my daughter's Echo avatar has popped up on the radar to help with that. :)

songsfortheotherkind

10th June 2012, 03:13

I've deleted post because on second and third look, it seems elementary.

Remember, there are always new individuals coming to the Pub that may not have come across the information you're sharing. And besides, every Being has a different aspect of the hologram and something new to add, regardless of what they might think.

So please don't delete your posts, is what I'm asking: I would have loved to read your perspective. :)

songsfortheotherkind

10th June 2012, 06:40

On the subject of frequencies, densities, dimensions, etc.
From what I can gather about this ( though I feel a bit foolish discussing something about which I know so little, but only intuit), Earth will still be in physicality as she moves into higher frequencies.
But I think it will be a much more pleasant and pristine environment, and lifeforms will feel less burdened by the weight of gravity. In short, a physical world without the disadvantages of being in physicality.

I've been having some conversations recently with both non-corporeal and physical Beings regarding Gaia doing the equivalent of walking in to another planetary avatar. It's apparently a possibility at this stage, because there seems to be some discussion going on about the free will of nearly 7 billion individuals who still *want* to be governed and their right to create this reality. In a sui generis universe, it is without question that these individuals have this- and every *other* choice- available to them: as I have mentioned before, the general 'yeah! that's right!' support to such threads as the 'ETs Go Home' messages, as well as the popular programming re Offworlders that the collective pumps out (Prometheus being just the latest in the 'offworlders are the bad guys' theme) indicates that, as in the day of the radio play War of the Worlds prompting suicides and other reactive behaviour, a mass uncloaking would most likely only prompt more global hysteria and unite the tribes briefly in an allout nuclear or biological war. While this would no doubt serve the anunnaki remnant controllers, in the case of the evolution that's not such a great scenario, and it's always been about supporting the possibility of evolution within both the anunnaki and homo sapiens species. There's no longer any support for that project, it's considered that what's done is now done and the collective energy is withdrawing and preparing to support Gaia in whichever way zhe decides to jump. I've said here before, wherever zhe goes the Otherkind and Starkind will go too- if it turns out that the decision is made to shift dimension, this one is going to be left with enough signal to sustain it at its current level and then all the energy that has been holding the signal for the evolution will be leaving. They'll have exactly what they've been demanding- their house will be abandoned to them and they can do with it what they will. If this means they devolve back to their original form the process won't take long- think of the creatures from 28 Days Later and you'll have a general idea, so nothing is going to survive that for long, and then they'll die from having nothing to feed on, just like their makers. That's the likeliest scenario. Then it will be a matter of allowing the virus to die out of the energetic signal (which it will without any carriers) and then the option to rehabilitate and restore this planetary avatar will be in the possibility field.

What a clever construct of the virus new age religion was- pimping the concept of that taking any action that doesn't support the existence of low vibration behaviour is 'unloving' and 'intolerant'- to me, it's like suggesting that the proper and robust immune system response to a physical virus is 'unloving' and 'intolerant': ah, the naysayers say, we're different from that, we can reason and discuss and thus see things differently. What they most often are saying is 'we can rationalise our low vibration behaviour in a million convoluted ways that will keep the virus going long enough to drag you under, and if you don't like it we have many labels and protests to hit you with'. I observed this happening in the thread I made a post in recently- interesting discussion almost immediately ensnared in the world of goo that many are explicitly here to excrete whenever evolution in any way makes an appearance.

btw, I am not saying this in relation to your post here- I'm doing the stream of thought thing that happens when I start writing about things that interest me. None of this is personal- you've seen me in action, you know if I was talking to you I would say so. :)

The only way to be clear of these contortions is the internal signal and deeply embodied connection to one's intuition. *Self* guidance, sui generis, own authority. Everything is only ever a different perspective of the ever evolving hologram. Fluid mind, fluid Being, fluid avatar, that's where it's at for me.

One channeler, Suzy Ward, whose visions of the future I certainly resonate with even though I don't know if I entirely believe them to be true, says that radioactive wastes will be neutralized by the higher frequencies and various harmful, parasitic lifeforms, including viruses, bacteria and fungi will not be able to survive.

High frequencies are scientifically proven to destroy parasitic life forms in their various expressions. I posted about this on the forum, before I created the Pub, I think: basically, I was surfing through the otherrealms and having conversations with some interesting Beings regarding the best way to dissolve the virus. I got the information regarding high frequencies; when I came back to this realm I decided to google it and see if there was anything corresponding to this in the science here. The first hit was an article regarding a father/son team that was using high frequencies to destroy viruses within the cells without harming the cells themselves. This was a flow on from their interest in the works of an individual in the 1920's that was curing cancer with frequency. I currently wear a variation of one of those frequency machines 24/7 to get rid of the excess cortisol in my system due to being continuously adrenaline fried; the difference has been profound. We're next tweaking the frequency to support my thyroid and heart, to heal the damage done there; after that, I'm going deep diving with some embodied offworlders here so that we can tune it to my otherkind genetics and get through the virus contracts that way, while I take on the dissolving in the energetic contract area. The machine means I'm not diverting my consciousness energy to do something on a physical level that a simple handsized device can do for me.

What can I say? I'm a horned, winged, black eyed and cheesy grinning energetic virus dissolver that also likes the geek tech. :) It's the hybridisation. :P

She says the climate changes will result in a more temperate climate worldwide though earth changes will continue for awhile yet, due to negative energy Gaia is throwing off, and due to the all the many levels of change taking place.

This is highly likely, as there has been a lot of screwing around with things here for a long time. The anunnaki have long had the ability to fool with the biosphere here and did try their own version of terraforming- is that really surprising, when so many sci-fi stories talk about humans doing exactly that to planetary conditions that don't suit them? Tough on the things that the environment does suit, but who cares? Homo sapiens are, after all, *god's* gift to the universe, according to homo sapiens... it's funny how one (non-human) race doing something is utterly evil and invasive, but when homo sapiens do it, it's called 'scientific progress'.

Huh. something in another thread has really bugged me, it seems- continued references to the christian god as being a good guy and power have apparently irritated my deeply and it's energetically leaking out in my writing. It seems what I'm truly feeling is an utter, profound and absolute 'I'M OVER IT NOW, CAN WE DO SOMETHING ELSE?' about the whole global farce. It's gone to beyond boring, and yet there's a part of me that's aware the remnant anunnaki systems want to take everything down to the last nanosecond. I get this from the anunnaki as evolutionary catalyst perspective *and* the whole thing is tedious now- I've never liked homo sapiens even though I was willing to be a part of those holding the space for them to evolve, accepting the personal cost that came with this endeavour, yet now that the decision of 'no more' has been made I find my Self impatient and restless, eager to immerse my Self in the physical Otherrealms again and do interesting things, compared to this endless recursion. The leaking energy wasn't aimed at you or anyone else, to be clear: I'm lonely here, profoundly lonely, and I'm frankly tired of having dreams that show me I'm going to get shot at for talking publicly about the sui generis. I like the outcome of being shot at, that's lots of fun- it's just knowing that fundamental stupidity is the default position for so many is tedious.

I've reset my writing energy. :)

Other things she has predicted, such as wild predators (and all of mankind) eventually and of free will becoming vegetarian, wild animals being able to roam free, speak with us telepathically, the lion lying down with the lamb, and so on, probably all sounds very naive, but I certainly hope it's true.

There are many religious, spiritual and traditional texts that point to an increase in the aggressive behaviour of animals due to the dissonant aggravation of the increasing low vibration signal towards the time of the shift. This low vibration signal has been around for a very long time. There are also species that are the result of lab experiments rather than the art of Gaia. As far as I see it, what will happen in terms of the shifting signal is what's going to happen. It makes sense that the behaviour of certain animal kinds will also shift as the frequency does- some will not be able to make the jump because their biology and natures aren't geared for that kind of evolution. The dinosaurs died out for the same reason and Jurassic Park pointed out that this is actually a Good Thing.

And to have open Contact on the planet with advanced ET/ED races will certainly be wonderful. That's clearly been happening already on many levels, and will surely only continue to escalate.

I did come across a George Adamski book and I read a little of it: I had to put it down because I couldn't for the life of me figure out why offworlders would wear such twee clothing and speak such banal stuff. I considered that they *may* have been a group with a very Douglas Adams sense of humour, which made sense to me- then I considered that this may explain who Douglas Adams actually was, one of that crew. It's given me many hours of amusement and led to some interesting conversations with equally bent humoured offworlders...

The open contact thing on a global scale, I don't think, is going to happen- there's a quote that says 'The best proof of intelligent life existing in the universe is that it hasn't tried to contact us yet' and on a global scale, this is pretty true. Think about it: they're going to be considered a) gods, b) saviours, c) enemies of all mankind or d) all of the above, all of which are pretty ugly scenarios for sui generis Beings. Single, personal contact makes more sense, unless one is going for global psychological meltdown and culture shock, which *always* goes so well...

I've been posting some things recently regarding the issues that come up with regards the differences in IQ's (remember, I don't think IQ measurements are useful indicators of what the system suggests it's about, *and* they are useful markers of an individual's ability to process and absorb information, amongst other things)- given that this happens with perspective, can you honestly see a positive outcome happening with differences in species? The film District 9 explored this one well, methinks...

Bottom line: offworlders and Otherkind are no longer prepared to die for homo sapiens. No more sacrifices for a possibility that has now run its course. Now, it's time for packing up the show and seeing who goes where. :)

*dancing*