The Oxnard Trolls: Are They Here Among Us?

[WhiteFeather]

After reading P.A. member, GlaSSsteagalfan's Thread HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42653-A-warning-to-Alternative-Media&p=451536#post451536)today, it gave me an idea, I'm not sure if Avalon's Admins and Mod's would pursue this, but i thought maybe perhaps they might give it a looksy or thought. It seems that Trolls from 3 Letter Government agency's such as (NSA, FBI, DHS, TSA, etc) may very well be poisoning forums, blogs etc. spreading Disinfo and causing chaos, animosity etc. among its members here and throughout the internt. Is this possible? Damn straight it is possible.

A Quote By Glassteagalfan "Seems ALL of these cretins had the same block of IP addresses, emanating out of Oxnard, California. I don't believe in coincidences, so I had a another friend of mine in L.A. do some digging. Here's what he discovered. The block of IP addresses is conveniently in the locale of buildings where the NSA has it's offices in Oxnard California."

My question to the forum and if at all possible/doable by the Mods/Admins (even though they have a lot on their plates already). Is there anyway we can check to see if these Oxnard Trolls are present on this forum as well. I'm sure it would take some doing, but just may be well worth it for all of its members in the long run. Maybe we can pull some of the weeds that are starting to grow here in our garden choking our valued plants. I think its time for a Weed and Feed Peeps. Or just a damn good enema. What do you think? LMK



http://www.deviantart.com/download/141929531/Magic_Card___Bogart_Thieves_by_bridge_troll.jpg

[foreverfan]

You blew my cover. ;)

[WhiteFeather]

I'll draw first blood. Mod's I'll burn my blood in a cup first with a heated copper wire. Check my IP Address 1st.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eYuR4iISc3g/TYJP9biq5LI/AAAAAAAABLE/04iZ6bn0ZKw/s1600/the-thing-1982-tk-carter-kurt-russell-keith-david-pic-7.jpg

[pickle]

It doesn't matter if they are here, they are powerless. They can't change the way we think, the way we are, our hearts and minds. They lost sometime ago.

[Dennis Leahy]

Absolutely assume they are here.

Interesting article by Kevin Zeese says up to 1 out of 6 "protesters" may be undercover cops, and/or alphabet agency types. And, they don't just mingle, watch, and take notes - they may be the noisiest, most confrontational, protesters in the crowd:

Infiltration To Disrupt, Divide And Mis-direct Are Widespread In Occupy - Part I (http://www.countercurrents.org/zeese250212.htm)


In the first five months, the Occupy Movement has had major victories and has altered the debate about the economy. People in the power structure and who hold different political views are pushing back with a traditional tool – infiltration. Across the country, Occupies are struggling with disruption and division, attacks on key persons, escalation of tactics to property damage and police conflict as well as misuse of websites and social media.
As Part II of this discussion will show, infiltration is the norm in political movements in the United States. Occupy has many opponents likely to infiltrate to divide and destroy it beyond the usual law enforcement apparatus. Others include the corporations whose rule Occupy seeks to end, conservative right wing groups allied with corporate interests and other members of the power structure including non-profit organizations allied with either corporate-funded political party, especially the Democratic Party which would like Occupy to be their Tea Party rather than an independent movement critical of both parties.



(continues)

Part II is here (http://www.countercurrents.org/zeese150312.htm).

Note that they also infiltrate ALL online networking and discussion sites, to either simply destroy the infrastructure of the site if they can, or to do all of the 2012 upgraded versions of COINTELPRO.

Dennis

[EnergyGardener]

WhiteFeather and my Avalonian Friends:

I would like to get rid of them, and here's why:

1. Many (I certainly do not say most) of us are here with sincere intentions. We attempt to answer all questions to all Members, as if, sincerely intentioned for the greater good of humanity. These first questions are always straight-forward enough, but then they get very technical, then back up their positions with extensive information, as if they are supported by the Library of Congress, the Vatican, and all the other computers at their disposal. They often leave everyone so confused, angry and frustrated, what started as a very strong and powerful thread, simply ends, almost on a flat or bad note. Thus, many people have left at worst. At best, remain, yet find little reason to create a new "uplifting" thread. To this end, they have succeeded for their part; but failed toward ours; because

2. There is much to accomplish to undo the mess they and their bosses have created. While they have lost in overall terms, each day of unproductive progress, wherein we are not putting every effort to success, is a day lost for our side, and God only knows how many souls we did not reach with our creative energies and available resources (this forum, if it was healthier).

3. It would be good to know that the Avalon controllers want to support the "good guys," as opposed to merely flushing us out. We must figure this out sooner-rather-than-later. Even if they "want" but cannot due to resource limitations, it's all the same to us, unless it's done better elsewhere.

I feel a bit silly sometimes, as I am not entirely sure about point number 3, because they seem so pervasive here at PA.

As far as we know, there will be no second chances for us at this very precious time in human and Earth history. To that end, I have been working on a new thread to address the delicate issues of people living in the 3rd and 5th, but have been reluctant to post it for all the reasons stated. I am not sure this is worthwhile to cast my pearls, or plant my seeds.... Perhaps there are more fertile gardens?


EnergyGardener

[InCiDeR]

It doesn't matter if they are here, they are powerless. They can't change the way we think, the way we are, our hearts and minds. They lost sometime ago.

You should not underestimate what they can and can not do. It is not that hard to change someone elses thinking or point of view. Just saying.


The Third Wave was an experiment to demonstrate that even democratic societies are not immune to the appeal of fascism.[1][2] It was undertaken by history teacher Ron Jones with sophomore high school students attending his "Contemporary World" history class[1] as part of a study of Nazi Germany.[3] The experiment took place at Cubberley High School in Palo Alto, California, during the first week of April 1967.[1] Jones, unable to explain to his students how the German population could claim ignorance of the extermination of the Jewish people, decided to show them instead.[3] Jones started a movement called "The Third Wave" and told his students that the movement aimed to eliminate democracy.[1] The idea that democracy emphasizes individuality was considered as a drawback of democracy, and Jones emphasized this main point of the movement in its motto: "Strength through discipline, strength through community, strength through action, strength through pride."[1](...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1063669/



Asch conformity experiments

The Asch conformity experiments were a series of laboratory studies published in the 1950s that demonstrated a surprising degree of conformity to a majority opinion. These are also known as the Asch Paradigm.

Experiments led by Solomon Asch of Swarthmore College asked groups of students to participate in a "vision test." In reality, all but one of the participants were confederates of the experimenter, and the study was really about how the remaining student would react to the confederates' behavior.(...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments

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[Hervé]

Of course there is also the most machiavellian plot of all in just spreading the idea that they can't help but be among us... and the witch hunt starts without anyone from enemy camp being anywhere around or even in the vicinity of this camp... but camps are now defined... check this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42653-A-warning-to-Alternative-Media&p=451585&viewfull=1#post451585) in the thread mentioned by WF to get the point, as well as this one (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42653-A-warning-to-Alternative-Media&p=451621&viewfull=1#post451621).

[loc333]

are there people here with that ip adress ??

[ThePythonicCow]

A Quote By Glassteagalfan "Seems ALL of these cretins had the same block of IP addresses, emanating out of Oxnard, California. I don't believe in coincidences, so I had a another friend of mine in L.A. do some digging. Here's what he discovered. The block of IP addresses is conveniently in the locale of buildings where the NSA has it's offices in Oxnard California."

My question to the forum and if at all possible/doable by the Mods/Admins (even though they have a lot on their plates already). Is there anyway we can check to see if these Oxnard Trolls are present on this forum as well.

I've glanced at quite a few IP addresses in my stay here ... I don't recall ever seeing one from Oxnard, California.

I'm pretty sure that the three letter agency agents don't all come in from one, or even just a few, identifiable geographic locations or IP address blocks.

I'll further wager that some of the ones who cause the forum the most harm aren't even agents, at least not that they realize. Rather just people who have gotten sucked up in the whirlwinds of confusion, abuse and destruction that swirl about us, at so many levels.

[aranuk]

A Quote By Glassteagalfan "Seems ALL of these cretins had the same block of IP addresses, emanating out of Oxnard, California. I don't believe in coincidences, so I had a another friend of mine in L.A. do some digging. Here's what he discovered. The block of IP addresses is conveniently in the locale of buildings where the NSA has it's offices in Oxnard California."

My question to the forum and if at all possible/doable by the Mods/Admins (even though they have a lot on their plates already). Is there anyway we can check to see if these Oxnard Trolls are present on this forum as well.

I've glanced at quite a few IP addresses in my stay here ... I don't recall ever seeing one from Oxnard, California.

I'm pretty sure that the three letter agency agents don't all come in from one, or even just a few, identifiable geographic locations or IP address blocks.

I'll further wager that some of the ones who cause the forum the most harm aren't even agents, at least not that they realize. Rather just people who have gotten sucked up in the whirlwinds of confusion, abuse and destruction that swirl about us, at so many levels.

Yes Paul who needs enemies when we are capable of fighting amongst ourselves?

Stan

[Hughe]

There are basic hacking tools that hide original IP through the cloud of many computers on the net.
Each computer acts as proxy of other computers on the cloud. I tested it few times. The program replaces my physical IP to one in a country in Europe. You can be any where on the planet every time you log on the net. ^^

This is the good one. https://www.torproject.org/

Only problem is the connection speed is reduced a bit.

[Magnus]

It doesn't matter if they are here, they are powerless. They can't change the way we think, the way we are, our hearts and minds. They lost sometime ago.

They are far from powerless, never underestimate the enemy!
In my opinion, i'm sorry to say, they are very present, and are making progress here.

[Cilka]

I confess, I am a communist spy. I am here to help you all see the truth. Really!

[Guest]

Here is a link to a thread on the traits of disinfo agents Rahkyt started Sept. of last year thought I would put in here -seems to fit.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31485-Eight-Traits-of-the-Disinformationalist


Love

Nora

[humanalien]

I wouldn't doubt it one bit if we have a whole bunch of trolls
on this forum. I can't believe the stories that some people are
posting, as if it were the real deal.

I wish the mods were able to weeds these characters out and
get rid of them. This forum has been going downhill for quite
a while now because of these people.

[Corncrake]

There are plenty of trolls out there - many who are just sick lonely people and nothing to do with any nefarious agency and yes, some who are not. I think we have to thank the strict moderating guidelines that we are not going through what this journalist has been subjected to: Richard Bacon: my battle with the trolls http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027

[Mulder]

I LOVE the movie called "The Thing" you used the pic from in your posting! There's definately infiltrators all around, but I couldn't care less as I believe they'll give themselves away eventually. The dangerous thing is if they convince the sheeple to riot or become violent - then the crack-down will happen.

[WhiteFeather]

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and ideas. Appreciate the response. Be Love ≈W.f.≈

[Prodigal Son]

You've all heard of the "hive mind". The subconscious mind is more powerful and wields more influence over our thinking than the vast majority of us have ever imagined. The PTW are adepts at creating the hive mind mentality and they start programming us even before we come out of the womb. So you have an awful lot of people whose subconscious mind will simply not allow for the possibility of a conspiracy so huge that something like 911, for example, can be pulled off. But it doesn't even have to be anything that big. I have a friend who is an airline pilot who fights me tooth and nail denying that chemtrails exist. This is absolute proof that the subconscious mind can prevent you from seeing something that is right in front of your nose.

So I'm not saying that because I don't believe that there are trolls on forums like this one working for 3-letter agencies, I'm just saying that the vast majority of them have nothing to do with any of them and they simply do it for free, with much more passion for their cause than those of us who recognize the conspiracies, to the point that they will fight outside the boundaries of all logic and reason, making complete fools of themselves in order to try and get others to return to their own world of blindness and denial.

[EnergyGardener]

You've all heard of the "hive mind". The subconscious mind is more powerful and wields more influence over our thinking than the vast majority of us have ever imagined. The PTW are adepts at creating the hive mind mentality and they start programming us even before we come out of the womb. So you have an awful lot of people whose subconscious mind will simply not allow for the possibility of a conspiracy so huge that something like 911, for example, can be pulled off. But it doesn't even have to be anything that big. I have a friend who is an airline pilot who fights me tooth and nail denying that chemtrails exist. This is absolute proof that the subconscious mind can prevent you from seeing something that is right in front of your nose.

So I'm not saying that because I don't believe that there are trolls on forums like this one working for 3-letter agencies, I'm just saying that the vast majority of them have nothing to do with any of them and they simply do it for free, with much more passion for their cause than those of us who recognize the conspiracies, to the point that they will fight outside the boundaries of all logic and reason, making complete fools of themselves in order to try and get others to return to their own world of blindness and denial.

Per my posts on another thread, these "negatives" serve the same purpose here at PA as either TPTW or idiots.

Perhaps the salvation of Project Avalon is a "STAY OFF MY THREAD" button? Then we could have elevated discourse without interference from "any" member that provides unwanted contribution. Consider how much more civil discussions would become if threads were monitored/controlled by the thread author?

[TWINCANS]

Is there some way to block certain IP addresses if we know which ones are home base to these three letter agency trolls?

[S-L]

You've all heard of the "hive mind". The subconscious mind is more powerful and wields more influence over our thinking than the vast majority of us have ever imagined. The PTW are adepts at creating the hive mind mentality and they start programming us even before we come out of the womb. So you have an awful lot of people whose subconscious mind will simply not allow for the possibility of a conspiracy so huge that something like 911, for example, can be pulled off. But it doesn't even have to be anything that big. I have a friend who is an airline pilot who fights me tooth and nail denying that chemtrails exist. This is absolute proof that the subconscious mind can prevent you from seeing something that is right in front of your nose.

So I'm not saying that because I don't believe that there are trolls on forums like this one working for 3-letter agencies, I'm just saying that the vast majority of them have nothing to do with any of them and they simply do it for free, with much more passion for their cause than those of us who recognize the conspiracies, to the point that they will fight outside the boundaries of all logic and reason, making complete fools of themselves in order to try and get others to return to their own world of blindness and denial.

Per my posts on another thread, these "negatives" serve the same purpose here at PA as either TPTW or idiots.

Perhaps the salvation of Project Avalon is a "STAY OFF MY THREAD" button? Then we could have elevated discourse without interference from "any" member that provides unwanted contribution. Consider how much more civil discussions would become if threads were monitored/controlled by the thread author?

Doesn't this just engender groupthink? Doesn't it defeat the purpose of Avalon? If you're only going to converse with people you know are on the same page as you, then none of your compadres will challenge your thinking, at least not to a very great degree.

[Prodigal Son]

Doesn't this just engender groupthink? Doesn't it defeat the purpose of Avalon? If you're only going to converse with people you know are on the same page as you, then none of your compadres will challenge your thinking, at least not to a very great degree.

I can see your point. When a person was being considered for Sainthood, the Catholic Church would appoint someone to dig up as much dirt to discredit the person as possible, and it didn't have to be true. This would ensure that anyone chosen for this honor could withstand any and all scrutiny. This appointed mud-slinger became known as the "Devil's Advocate". This type of negative entity is necessary in any dialectic evolutionary refinement process, so yes, I think they are good for the forum. They force those of us on the side of truth to hone our skills and more often than not, their objections cause us to dig up more evidence supporting our argument.

[ThePythonicCow]

Is there some way to block certain IP addresses if we know which ones are home base to these three letter agency trolls?

Yes - we can block IP addresses. We seldom have the useful knowledge to know which to block.

[TWINCANS]

Is there some way to block certain IP addresses if we know which ones are home base to these three letter agency trolls?

Yes - we can block IP addresses. We seldom have the useful knowledge to know which to block.

Do you now have that info? Or is there another problem with blocking them?

[ThePythonicCow]

Do you now have that info? Or is there another problem with blocking them?
So far as I know, IP ranges are simply not a reliable way to identify agents of three letter agencies.

[Amysenthia]

I would still love to get an answer about how a private message that I sent a couple of month ago ended up saying something totally different then what I sent. I thought the person that I PMd sent the message and when I asked what they meant by the "message", which was off colored and referred to something about "panties", I was told that it came from my IP address. So believe me they are here and already infiltrating. There is no way that I sent the message that was shown and I do not believe the other person did either. We have both just blown it off as a whatever moment, but I still can't believe that something like that could happen.

[gypsybutterflykiss]

It just seems to me that forces are working overtime against us here people. I open up threads, and there are certain members who continuously post negative comments and opinions again and again. I can feel their energy with the words typed on the computer screen. It's almost to the point that they want us to break down and start pointing fingers and accusing one another and throwing each other into the flames to burn. there's an old saying- "kill them with kindness"... Oh here's another-" the most powerful way to react to negativity and people who spread it is- NO REACTION!"

It's not just here either. Its everywhere in that big, beautiful world out there.

So, I'm going to say this: to all those out there who make snide and say that love and lighters are filled with angst and have underlying motives. I'm stating, that is not true. Since childhood, I have had an overwhelming need to visualize bands of colours and radiate them everywhere I go.. This came naturally!

It's game on. I've put on my sh$t kickers and I'm
Not tolerating it anymore.... Within myself- that is the key. Don't allow anybody to control the way you feel. Don't give it to them. This is what I am teaching my young children, this is what I constantly have to remind myself of. Yes, we get angry and feel belittled, but it's what we do with those feelings which is they key. That's how these trolls work. Maybe we just need to, if we can't walk away without defending light- we should just start puking rainbows and butterflies at them. Chins up y'all!

Maybe I should just paste this to every thread that is trying to be invaded...

-Gypsy



It doesn't matter if they are here, they are powerless. They can't change the way we think, the way we are, our hearts and minds. They lost sometime ago.

[gypsybutterflykiss]

Yes, they have lost. They're kicking and screaming while trying to drag us into the depths of he'll with them.
:wizard: ( if there was a smilie puking rainbows I would've
Used it :)

They have no power.. They're trying to steal ours.




It just seems to me that forces are working overtime against us here people. I open up threads, and there are certain members who continuously post negative comments and opinions again and again. I can feel their energy with the words typed on the computer screen. It's almost to the point that they want us to break down and start pointing fingers and accusing one another and throwing each other into the flames to burn. there's an old saying- "kill them with kindness"... Oh here's another-" the most powerful way to react to negativity and people who spread it is- NO REACTION!"

It's not just here either. Its everywhere in that big, beautiful world out there.

So, I'm going to say this: to all those out there who make snide and say that love and lighters are filled with angst and have underlying motives. I'm stating, that is not true. Since childhood, I have had an overwhelming need to visualize bands of colours and radiate them everywhere I go.. This came naturally!

It's game on. I've put on my sh$t kickers and I'm
Not tolerating it anymore.... Within myself- that is the key. Don't allow anybody to control the way you feel. Don't give it to them. This is what I am teaching my young children, this is what I constantly have to remind myself of. Yes, we get angry and feel belittled, but it's what we do with those feelings which is they key. That's how these trolls work. Maybe we just need to, if we can't walk away without defending light- we should just start puking rainbows and butterflies at them. Chins up y'all!

Maybe I should just paste this to every thread that is trying to be invaded...

-Gypsy



It doesn't matter if they are here, they are powerless. They can't change the way we think, the way we are, our hearts and minds. They lost sometime ago.

[ThePythonicCow]

I would still love to get an answer about how a private message that I sent a couple of month ago ended up saying something totally different then what I sent.
Looking back through the web server logs just now, and through the Reported Visitor Message (not Private Message) that you filed when that happened, I can see that you were logged on, from your usual IP address, and continuously active between 29/Dec/2011:14:01:44 -0600 and 29/Dec/2011:14:33:39 -0600 (times are in the server timezone, Chicago, USA). You made a post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37467-2012-What-may-be-in-store&p=390690&viewfull=1#post390690) at 29/Dec/2011:14:09:29 -0600, and you posted the visitor message in question at 29/Dec/2011:14:33:39 -0600.

The web server log does not show the content of any posts or messages. It only shows datetime stamps, IP addresses, and which web server pages were accessed (GET) or updated (POST). The web server log time stamps do match up exactly with both the above linked post of yours, and the Visitor Message on the another members profile page, from you, that you subsequently Reported to us.

I have no idea how it came to be that that Visitor Message came to be Posted from your login session and IP address at that time. I can only surmise that something on your end sent it, and that due to some unidentified confusion, it is no longer known how that came to be. I see zero evidence or possible means for this to be due to any infiltration of the Project Avalon web server.

[Amysenthia]

I appreciate your looking into this. Another administrator did it at the time of the incident and came to the same conclusions that you did. However, I assure you that "I DID NOT SEND THAT MESSAGE AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT ANYONE ELSE HAD ACCESS TO MY COMPUTER TO DO SO". I had not walked away but I saw my screen flash on the computer while I was PMing and then that message appeared. That is why I thought it had been posted by the person I was PMing, then I realized that it showed that it came from me. I was totally astounded by that, and a bit freaked out about how that could happen. So I don't doubt that you see what you see, I am just reiterating that the message was not sent from me.

Thank you again for your response. I know that on my part I do believe that somehow my account was infiltrated on that day. Kind of like seeing a UFO, if you aren't the one seeing it nobody wants to believe that you saw what you saw.

[Quantum Logic]

I appreciate your looking into this. Another administrator did it at the time of the incident and came to the same conclusions that you did. However, I assure you that "I DID NOT SEND THAT MESSAGE AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT ANYONE ELSE HAD ACCESS TO MY COMPUTER TO DO SO". I had not walked away but I saw my screen flash on the computer while I was PMing and then that message appeared. That is why I thought it had been posted by the person I was PMing, then I realized that it showed that it came from me. I was totally astounded by that, and a bit freaked out about how that could happen. So I don't doubt that you see what you see, I am just reiterating that the message was not sent from me.

Thank you again for your response. I know that on my part I do believe that somehow my account was infiltrated on that day. Kind of like seeing a UFO, if you aren't the one seeing it nobody wants to believe that you saw what you saw.

Are you using a wireless connection? The reason I ask is that it is very easy to have your IP address and MAC address cloned, so it would be recorded as the message being sent from yourself. Wireless internet, while convenient, is the most insecure way to connect. All it takes is someone to look inside your router for your IP & MAC, clone them, and post away- all the while appearing to be yourself.

QL

[Amysenthia]

I appreciate your looking into this. Another administrator did it at the time of the incident and came to the same conclusions that you did. However, I assure you that "I DID NOT SEND THAT MESSAGE AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT ANYONE ELSE HAD ACCESS TO MY COMPUTER TO DO SO". I had not walked away but I saw my screen flash on the computer while I was PMing and then that message appeared. That is why I thought it had been posted by the person I was PMing, then I realized that it showed that it came from me. I was totally astounded by that, and a bit freaked out about how that could happen. So I don't doubt that you see what you see, I am just reiterating that the message was not sent from me.

Thank you again for your response. I know that on my part I do believe that somehow my account was infiltrated on that day. Kind of like seeing a UFO, if you aren't the one seeing it nobody wants to believe that you saw what you saw.

Are you using a wireless connection? The reason I ask is that it is very easy to have your IP address and MAC address cloned, so it would be recorded as the message being sent from yourself. Wireless internet, while convenient, is the most insecure way to connect. All it takes is someone to look inside your router for your IP & MAC, clone them, and post away- all the while appearing to be yourself.

QL

As a matter of fact Quantum, Yes I was at that time. Thank you for mentioning this. I had a discussion with an IT friend when this happened and they said the same thing. After that incident I unplugged my wireless router and went back to DSL.

Hope you are well thanks for giving me some credit back.

[Quantum Logic]

One of the largest problems occurring along these lines now are ISP's, especially cable companies like Comcast and others, offering internet services through wireless. This is not a good option because many times, after running a tracert, you find the wireless routers they are using are not encrypted. Not only that, but usually they have left the user name and password to log directly into the router at the factory default settings. All it takes is looking up the model of the hardware on the router manufacturer's website, looking at the pdf of the manual for that hardware to find the login information that was preset at the factory. You can then go in and look at everyone currently connected to that router, including IP and MAC addresses. It is a disturbing trend that the ISP's are running wide open like that, placing user's security at risk. I will NEVER use wireless again.

You may also want to consider using Comodo or some other software firewall, as it will allow you to see, in real-time, exactly the ingoing and outgoing connections, along with the ports being used, by applications on your system and outside systems attempting to access yours.

Everyone needs to be aware of how this works, otherwise you are at great risk of nefarious acts.

QL

[Sidney]

One of the largest problems occurring along these lines now are ISP's, especially cable companies like Comcast and others, offering internet services through wireless. This is not a good option because many times, after running a tracert, you find the wireless routers they are using are not encrypted. Not only that, but usually they have left the user name and password to log directly into the router at the factory default settings. All it takes is looking up the model of the hardware on the router manufacturer's website, looking at the pdf of the manual for that hardware to find the login information that was preset at the factory. You can then go in and look at everyone currently connected to that router, including IP and MAC addresses. It is a disturbing trend that the ISP's are running wide open like that, placing user's security at risk. I will NEVER use wireless again.

You may also want to consider using Comodo or some other software firewall, as it will allow you to see, in real-time, exactly the ingoing and outgoing connections, along with the ports being used, by applications on your system and outside systems attempting to access yours.

Everyone needs to be aware of how this works, otherwise you are at great risk of nefarious acts.

QL

It seems as though we are given these modern technologies so we can turn around and screw ourselves with it.

[InCiDeR]

Mission:

Divide and conquer an alternative media forum without letting them know. Provoke disagrement and confusion.

10 steps how to do it efficiently

1. Study the object and its content closely.
2. Learn the natural flow and choice of words and what subjects that draw the members attention.
3. Create a new account and become a member.
4. Do not use same IP-range if you are many.
4. Interact to learn more of the members and how they react.
5. Make friends
6. Learn which members are the "hidden" leaders and whose words are considered valuable and resonate with many members. Learn their way of speak.
7. Befriend the "leaders".
8. Try to get a bit personal with the leaders.
9. Offer the leaders "enough" money or push the right triggers to take over their account, especially the accounts that been around for long time. Otherwise buy the account of anyone who is about to leave. Clone MAC and IP-adress.
10. Start the mission.

***

During all the above

Collect INTEL
Log every PM and interaction between the major players of the forum
(I promise you, you can not even fathom what technique "they" have)
Use the information wisely, sometimes "leak the information" under the right circumstances to create confusion and misstrust.


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In 3-6 months, mission completed.

[WhiteFeather]

The Trolls Hath Entered Thine Forum. This is a good example of it.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43904-Question-to-Bill-Ryan

[Forevernyt]

Got Trolls?

http://home.comcast.net/~forevernyt/pwpimages/trolling%20desktop.jpg

[ljwheat]

The very word or thought a troll, what about the trolls at the tippy top of the chain of command? POPE, Presidents, CEO’s, the hole object of a mole or troll is to work its way up the ladder, the higher the safer, and more pull or clout and authority to were no one questions its actions. In everything on this planet has been compromised, that’s why we can’t get rid of the problem there in to many high, medium, and low places. To often we only concentrate on the little guy set up by the bigger guy to take the fall, pushing the experienced troll a little higher. You need to look up once in a while there not all under our feet. Some are even in space LOL and beyond.

Just have to suck it up and stay true to one’s self. Grow some hair. Be solid as a rock in your belief system. Hold the fort, remember the Alamo, watch late night with Coenan O’Brian. Or Big Bang theory, lighten up, and forget about a witch hunt, stay the course.

The energy given to this topic is to much already ya think? The real meat and potato’s are getting cold. Leave the garbage in the can it came in on-- it will start to smell eventually and draw fly’s,-- unless its described as the main course that is. Any way good thread that’s just my piece of the pie. Moving on. John XXX

[Cartomancer]

Dang, I'd hate to be a legit Avalonian who lived in Oxnard right now.......................

[araucaria]

The very word or thought a troll, what about the trolls at the tippy top of the chain of command? POPE, Presidents, CEO’s, the hole object of a mole or troll is to work its way up the ladder, the higher the safer, and more pull or clout and authority to were no one questions its actions. In everything on this planet has been compromised, that’s why we can’t get rid of the problem there in to many high, medium, and low places. To often we only concentrate on the little guy set up by the bigger guy to take the fall, pushing the experienced troll a little higher. You need to look up once in a while there not all under our feet. Some are even in space LOL and beyond.

Just have to suck it up and stay true to one’s self. Grow some hair. Be solid as a rock in your belief system. Hold the fort, remember the Alamo, watch late night with Coenan O’Brian. Or Big Bang theory, lighten up, and forget about a witch hunt, stay the course.

The energy given to this topic is to much already ya think? The real meat and potato’s are getting cold. Leave the garbage in the can it came in on-- it will start to smell eventually and draw fly’s,-- unless its described as the main course that is. Any way good thread that’s just my piece of the pie. Moving on. John XXX

Talk about moving on John XXX, we haven't had John XXIV yet :)

Trolls are just little people, here's some music to march them off to.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9DbTn6b9E

[WhiteFeather]

Bumping for a friend.

[Lifebringer]

I have been picking up the negative and when I feel it, I simply leave the site up and leave their page. I noticed they are dragging political into the spiritual with election polling and such.

Hey, WE can get that ANYWHERE and know where to find the dirty side of life in 3D. I just wish when they come they would focus on the fact that no matter who it is trying to do the destruction, it won't work. Our telepathic guides will tell us when they are trying to infiltrate, not for information on the events taking place, but just to find out "exactly who" is evolving. I've gotten pretty good at deciphering auras through their comments and most are dark centered, therefore easier for me to pick up. I simply ignore them as they have ignored me for the last millenia or two.
They can't argue by themselves or the people in the white jackets will come for them. LOL.

[fathertedsmate]

of course they are here,take a look at some of the nonsense creeping in, if you react in anyway to information being put out,the problem lies with you, its only information, if its out there its supposed to be, its what you do with it that matters, that will be determined by the condition the receivers body is in,the same information will have a different effect on different people,depends what frequency you are operating on,that is determined by the condition of the bodys fuel supply and organs, let me assure you as one who has been through the frequency range, this is being created by heavy metals and chemicals, mine was caused by gold and amalgam fillings, i still wanted to know where the aluminium and barium came from.it was there in massive ammonts, work it out,i have no contact with either, which would never have been found if i accepted that i was just annother victim and accepted the tags given to each illness diagnosed,
bad experiences,fears etc, its all just parasite food that has been stored deep within the cells, only to be called upon when the body is depleted of fuel, parasites need fed you are the host,just drops a chemical into the system, information and how its received gets the reaction required,anger,hate,guilt, etc,this creates the conditions for them to thrive,
and we think we are in controll,
the good thing is,the same **** is happening to those in controll, the condition,shape,of a body is determined by amount of yeast,fungus,mould,viruses,pathogens that have taken up residence,the conditions for them to survive are being created by heavy metals,chemicals and YOU ,
ITS ONLY INFORMATION, if ithe answers are not contained within the cells then you dont know, thats how fear is played,
just my view helped by my freind jack herer, lol

[WHOMADEGOD]

If they are not here we are not doing it right!

Of course they are, why else post this. If I had a dime every time I have bit my virtual, lip amd refrained from posting my distaste I would have, well I would have several dimes!!!!!

These.....lower denizen types are crucial for my growth, they help me to see the truth, thats the irony here. The closer I get to the truth the more they appear, ha ha.

And when I see the real sly ones who weave truth into there arguement, well thats like striking gold for me.

Keep up all your hard work please, it is very much appreciated, and of course we forgive you too x

Blessings

Mark T.A.P (Troll Appreciation Society)

[twelve31]

Yes I do suppose they are a necessary evil :(

I wish more people would learn to not engage them and allow derailment to ensue for a page or two.

Even on the slightly less obtrusive threads I've noticed quite a few sharp quips here and there lately. It's sort of disconcerting all of the closed minded opinions flapping about.

At least many of us RECOGNIZE and act accordingly.

-twelve 31