If a picture = a thousand words and a symbol = a thousand pictures ...

[Operator]

Hi,

Sometimes you just bump into stuff by accident ... I recently felt the connection with some symbols was probably more than coincidence.

Please feel free to add your 'discoveries' to this thread. It's about time we learn to read symbols.
If the assumption in the thread title is correct it is like you learn speed reading ;)

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Here's the first:

Microsoft Windows https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQg1HqRy9zQdo-AeiCMgnBAij1RNxUKw4nTM__1nuVX98De5tCu

So should we perhaps call it Windows Chi Rho ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

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Symbol for Google Mail:
http://www.goevolve.co.uk/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/gmail.png

Wow, looks like .....

http://www.freemasoncollection.com/images/REG/REAA-TAB-18-RED.JPG

Rose Croix apron of Scottish Rite (surprise surprise :rolleyes:).
From website: http://www.freemasoncollection.com/10-SCOTTISH-RITE-REGALIA/SCOTTISH-RITE-REGALIA-18-DEGREE.php
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Ok, now it is your turn (this could be fun).

[nomadguy]

as to the first picture, it reminds me of what is presented here
xSB93dGMGeg

[Debra]

Microsoft Windows https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQg1HqRy9zQdo-AeiCMgnBAij1RNxUKw4nTM__1nuVX98De5tCu

So should we perhaps call it Windows Chi Rho ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

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Symbol for Google Mail:
http://www.goevolve.co.uk/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/gmail.png

Wow, looks like .....

http://www.freemasoncollection.com/images/REG/REAA-TAB-18-RED.JPG

Rose Croix apron of Scottish Rite (surprise surprise :rolleyes:).
From website: http://www.freemasoncollection.com/10-SCOTTISH-RITE-REGALIA/SCOTTISH-RITE-REGALIA-18-DEGREE.php
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Operator, nice challenge. Can we also provide our own readings of logos as well? Provide - where we so feel inclined - our own textual analysis, from our own world views, culturally held beliefs, socio/political upbringing etc., as to other possible impacts they are making as well in the creation of meaning?

For example:
The first logo: I see is the colour of gold, a symbol of wealth and high standing and pointing to control and power. I draw these conclusions because you have also provided text that this logo is belonging to Microsoft Windows. I also see two points at the ends of the X and P drawings, which look like horns and I connote these with something hidden, maybe satanic. I then go to your wikipedia reference and discover that this is a religious icon that has been reframed, and that again supports my initial reading that Microsoft is deliberately appropriating this sign, to reinforce for its intended audience that it is the saviour and the real power in the computing universe. However, from my worldview, which is apple mac centric and also suspicious of the pathway that Bill Gates has gone down, I provide a negative reading. Not that apple has a perfect human rights program either.

The second one for google mail is so clever, now that you point out the source material: Secret, sealed, protected and important. Great marketing, I have to say.

[Operator]

Operator, nice challenge. Can we also provide our own readings of logos as well?

Yes, please ... by having some sort of discussion we might learn to view from different angles and discover other properties.
If this enhances the total perception it is like you get some glasses handed to you as in the movie "They live" but now for real.

The Chi Rho is, b.t.w., not always pictured like shown above. One aspect I see in it is that the X looks like crossed bones.
Maybe there is someone with a plausible link between P and a skull then you would literally get Skull and bones ... :heh:


However, from my worldview, which is apple mac centric ...
It is said that the apple logo might have some malevolent background too ...
http://subnetconsulting.com/FormBuilderUploads/32_Logo_Form_New/ImageControlImages/280_205_AppleComputerLogo.gif

The biblical bite out of the apple which started all the trouble etc.

[Debra]

Oh thanks Operator.

The apple logo, yes it does carry the story of adam and eve .. and the fruit of knowledge but on another level, it points to Eve being the seductress sent by the devil to corrupt Adam with carnal knowledge: hence the forbidden fruit .. which is, as the marketeers know, is something we all want :) To the extent that they have followed this myth line through to create a ´i must have´iPad, iMac, iPhone culture. Clever alright. The products are very good, mind you, but the marketing has played a huge role in creating a need and the subsequent tipping point in sales for apple mac products.

[Cartomancer]

The Chi Rho or Labarum symbol originated in Mesopotamia and was also used by the Minoans. The Minoans called it a Labarys. It means Stargate or heaven's gate. Many feel that the Labarum and the Fasci are indeed the same symbol or may be interpreted as being the same. The Google mail thing is interesting due to the similarities you pointed out to the Royal Mail. M is the 13th letter and this also may be part of what is being said there.

[WhiteFeather]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DxMkMjDctMY/TwVuihtu4nI/AAAAAAAAHkA/dbBBCXBAHUE/s1600/chrysler-symbol19.jpg


Check this out.

http://mountzion144.ning.com/group/cropcirclesinovation/forum/topics/crop-circle-at-avebury-avenue?commentId=2127676%3AComment%3A428636&groupId=2127676%3AGroup%3A225508

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Symbols are present in the collective unconscious.

So, when you look at logos and other things, and identify similarities with ancient symbols, it doesn´t mean that the person who designed the logo did it on purpose.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Operator]

Hey mate,

Symbols are present in the collective unconscious.

So, when you look at logos and other things, and identify similarities with ancient symbols, it doesn´t mean that the person who designed the logo did it on purpose.

Cheers,

Raf.

I agree. But in some (most ?) cases it is on purpose.
Although I started the thread on symbols I am well aware that it will probably shift to logo's eventually.

Big, known, companies have their logo professionally designed for a lot of money. So, although you're
right I think that we can exclude coincidence in a lot of cases.
Even when an 'unconscious' coincidental hit occurs it is probably still 'related'.

[Debra]

Hey mate,

Symbols are present in the collective unconscious.

So, when you look at logos and other things, and identify similarities with ancient symbols, it doesn´t mean that the person who designed the logo did it on purpose.

Cheers,

Raf.

I agree. But in some (most ?) cases it is on purpose.
Although I started the thread on symbols I am well aware that it will probably shift to logo's eventually.

Big, known, companies have their logo professionally designed for a lot of money. So, although you're
right I think that we can exclude coincidence in a lot of cases.
Even when an 'unconscious' coincidental hit occurs it is probably still 'related'.

I agree operator, what I have learned from experience in being a part of the logo development process, one of the defining informers behind final design, is a quest for the story behind the brand. And this is where the great underlying myths of a society can be tapped into.

Also, a good designer, will actively seek out references from history that will support a story, because these references are loaded with discrete information that already carry key elements of a grand story line. Of course, this is not a conscious process behind all logo design - but those with money do put in this deeper thinking.

[RMorgan]

Hey mates,

Well, some logos might be indeed design to achieve a similarity with certain occultists symbols on purpose, but I´m sure it´s the minority of them.

Most part of the companies around the world don´t even have a design team, so they hire design agencies to design their logos, labels, etc...

Such design agencies are mostly formed by young professionals that aren´t, by any means, aware of the occult, masonic symbols and these kind of things.

However, every creative professional is unconsciously connected with the collective mind (this is in fact one of the definitions of creativity). The effectiveness of a logo is directly connected to its abilities to be interpreted as a symbol, and symbols are the root of visual communication.

So, basically, every extremely well designed and successful logo can be identified to ancient/primitive symbols (mostly sex related symbols, that appeal to primitive visceral emotions), and this is what make them so effective...Buuuut it doesn´t mean it´s on purpose; it´s just part of the creative process, which basically drinks from the same fountain.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Möbius]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DxMkMjDctMY/TwVuihtu4nI/AAAAAAAAHkA/dbBBCXBAHUE/s1600/chrysler-symbol19.jpg


Check this out.

http://mountzion144.ning.com/group/cropcirclesinovation/forum/topics/crop-circle-at-avebury-avenue?commentId=2127676%3AComment%3A428636&groupId=2127676%3AGroup%3A225508


I noticed the other day that the badge on my Mini Cooper looks a bit "Annunaki" as well!

http://carshd.net/data/media/35/bmw_mini_logo.jpg

[xbusymom]

This one looks self-explanitory... but how many of us really take heed of its warning:

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P.S. great thread!

[RMorgan]

Well, wings on logos are always associated with speed, freedom, wind, etc... (post #12)

The human being always dreamed about flying. The bird, is the most perfect example of efficient locomotion in nature, with total freedom do fly anywhere they want, without any obstacles.

So, it´s natural the wings are used in transportation logos, so, when you look at it, it evokes the same feelings that when you think of a flying bird.

Imagine a car with a logo that looks like a turtle, or an elephant. It wouldn´t work, right?

Remember that nature is here much before the existence of symbols, which are human made.

Not everything is connected to the occult, secret societies, etc...

Cheers,

Raf.

[Debra]

Hi RMorgan (may I call you Raf ?),
I am not suggesting that logo designers, including highly paid ones, are looking for the right occult symbol to appropriate. I am saying that they can immerse themselves in reference material that supports the story behind a brand for inspiration. As per a design brief. Consciously, or unconsiously, the story behind the brand is part of a brief.

That is all. And of course, I would also add that any designer who values their work and the creative process will channel in their own way to mix intuition (drawing down from the universe) with existing knowledge (call it research) in the production of a design. The outcome, even unconsciously, will always tell a story if you take the time to unpack the inherent symbology and metaphors contained in a presented design. I guess it is then up to the client to say if that is the story they want.

:)


Hey mates,

Well, some logos might be indeed design to achieve a similarity with certain occultists symbols on purpose, but I´m sure it´s the minority of them.

Most part of the companies around the world don´t even have a design team, so they hire design agencies to design their logos, labels, etc...

Such design agencies are mostly formed by young professionals that aren´t, by any means, aware of the occult, masonic symbols and these kind of things.

However, every creative professional is unconsciously connected with the collective mind (this is in fact one of the definitions of creativity). The effectiveness of a logo is directly connected to its abilities to be interpreted as a symbol, and symbols are the root of visual communication.

So, basically, every extremely well designed and successful logo can be identified to ancient/primitive symbols (mostly sex related symbols, that appeal to primitive visceral emotions), and this is what make them so effective...Buuuut it doesn´t mean it´s on purpose; it´s just part of the creative process, which basically drinks from the same fountain.

Cheers,

Raf.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

as to the first picture, it reminds me of what is presented here
xSB93dGMGeg

Thanx for posting this Nomadguy


Now that was the most informative hour i had in months.

And boy o boy have i drawn a lot of stick figures in my life ( had no clue i was actually on to something ;))

[RMorgan]

Hello my friend,

Of course you can call me Raf! :)

I get your point and I agree with you.

Cheers,

Raf.



Hi RMorgan (may I call you Raf ?),
I am not suggesting that logo designers, including highly paid ones, are looking for the right occult symbol to appropriate. I am saying that they can immerse themselves in reference material that supports the story behind a brand for inspiration. As per a design brief. Consciously, or unconsiously, the story behind the brand is part of a brief.

That is all. And of course, I would also add that any designer who values their work and the creative process will channel in their own way to mix intuition (drawing down from the universe) with existing knowledge (call it research) in the production of a design. The outcome, even unconsciously, will always tell a story if you take the time to unpack the inherent symbology and metaphors contained in a presented design. I guess it is then up to the client to say if that is the story they want.

:)


Hey mates,

Well, some logos might be indeed design to achieve a similarity with certain occultists symbols on purpose, but I´m sure it´s the minority of them.

Most part of the companies around the world don´t even have a design team, so they hire design agencies to design their logos, labels, etc...

Such design agencies are mostly formed by young professionals that aren´t, by any means, aware of the occult, masonic symbols and these kind of things.

However, every creative professional is unconsciously connected with the collective mind (this is in fact one of the definitions of creativity). The effectiveness of a logo is directly connected to its abilities to be interpreted as a symbol, and symbols are the root of visual communication.

So, basically, every extremely well designed and successful logo can be identified to ancient/primitive symbols (mostly sex related symbols, that appeal to primitive visceral emotions), and this is what make them so effective...Buuuut it doesn´t mean it´s on purpose; it´s just part of the creative process, which basically drinks from the same fountain.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Operator]

I think of a symbol like a key. It gives access to something which is under your control or governance. And only you
are able to (grant) access to whatever this something is. This makes a symbol almost by default something occult.
(Which only means hidden).

Since you cannot show the something that's hidden (a business concept or a recipe like Coca Cola, KFC etc.) you
wave the key around instead to show you have got something no one else has.

Symbols can also be used to unite, 'lock in' or identify ideas or concepts then box them in and keep the contents separated
from the rest ...

If you don't notice the scratch marks on the tree you will unsuspectingly walk into bear territory.
Understanding symbols is like being able to read ...

[RMorgan]

I think of a symbol like a key. It gives access to something which is under your control or governance. And only you
are able to (grant) access to whatever this something is. This makes a symbol almost by default something occult.
(Which only means hidden).

Since you cannot show the something that's hidden (a business concept or a recipe like Coca Cola, KFC etc.) you
wave the key around instead to show you have got something no one else has.

Symbols can also be used to unite, 'lock in' or identify ideas or concepts then box them in and keep the contents separated
from the rest ...

If you don't notice the scratch marks on the tree you will unsuspectingly walk into bear territory.
Understanding symbols is like being able to read ...


I agree 100% my friend.

Have you ever read C.G Jung? This man went really deep into this subject.

Cheers,

Raf.

[jaybee]

as to the first picture, it reminds me of what is presented here
xSB93dGMGeg

Thanx for posting this Nomadguy


Now that was the most informative hour i had in months.

I agree...it was excellent...thanks Nomadguy

Re. the Thunderbolt - I was also reminded of the Ancient Egyptian Djed Pillar


http://www.google.com/search?q=djed%20pillar&biw=1440&bih=805&sei=y_VyT76oEKK-0QX84ZztDw&tbm=isch


and the Fleur de Lys


http://www.google.com/search?q=fleur%20de%20lye&biw=1440&bih=805&sei=h_ZyT5qyE9CT0QWNu5gC&tbm=isch


those modern photographic captures of intense electrical discharge in plasma were incredible...




And boy o boy have i drawn a lot of stick figures in my life ( had no clue i was actually on to something ;))

hahaha....you genius you... :hail:


ps...nice thread Operator :thumb:

[Midnight Rambler]

An oldy but a goody. If you haven't seen this video or never heard of freeman, a world will open up for you.

If you have seen this video already, you can get all nostalgic and see it again :).

844493245933202727


In the beginning, there was Corporate Logos. This is the very first Freeman Perspective. After you see this, your world will alter forever. Corporations do have an occultic agenda. All I can say is welcome to Earth from the Freeman Perspective.

http://freemantv.whynotnews.eu/http://freemantv.whynotnews.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Logos-1024x768.jpg

[Zampano]

Oh wait...here I have a good one for you.
The last 3 weeks I travelled through Italy with a friend a he showed me the sign of a very well known Italian oil and gas company.
The name is ENI or AGIP, is the 12th (!!!!) biggest company in Europe and has a lot of gas stations in central Europe.
Oh wait...it is owned by the Vatican. See the funny logo

http://www.americanagip.com/includes/templates/template_agip/images/newlogo.jpg

and the flag of the Vatican

http://www.universalhandel24.de/images/Vatikanstadt2.GIF

And what the hell is the fire spitting beast with 6 legs? Here some very interesting speculations...

http://www.speitaly.org/pages/past/past_15.htm

[Midnight Rambler]

Very weird indeed Zampano. And what about the Alfa Romeo logo. Why is that reptile have a crown on his head and eating a man? And why does berluscony have that same logo in his garden?

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/alfa_romeo.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g318/xtratalk1/BERISC.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g318/xtratalk1/alfa_romeo_logos.gif

And of course the templar flag.:wave:

[jaybee]

Very weird indeed Zampano. And what about the Alfa Romeo logo. Why is that reptile have a crown on his head and eating a man? And why does berluscony have that same logo in his garden?


:thumb:

very interesting - the Alfa Romeo logo

I notice that what looks like a man is also like the 'Thunderbolt' that was talked about in Nomadguy's video - post 2.

And coming out of the Dragon's mouth? Dragon - earth energy? magnetic energy? or what-ever....

That one logo looks like a Mayan number?...if I remember right...the dot is one and the lines five...just a thought...



edit to change a sentence...:)

[Black Panther]

Hi,

Sometimes you just bump into stuff by accident ... I recently felt the connection with some symbols was probably more than coincidence.

Please feel free to add your 'discoveries' to this thread. It's about time we learn to read symbols.
If the assumption in the thread title is correct it is like you learn speed reading ;)

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Here's the first:

Microsoft Windows https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQg1HqRy9zQdo-AeiCMgnBAij1RNxUKw4nTM__1nuVX98De5tCu

So should we perhaps call it Windows Chi Rho ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

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Symbol for Google Mail:
http://www.goevolve.co.uk/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/gmail.png

Wow, looks like .....

http://www.freemasoncollection.com/images/REG/REAA-TAB-18-RED.JPG

Rose Croix apron of Scottish Rite (surprise surprise :rolleyes:).
From website: http://www.freemasoncollection.com/10-SCOTTISH-RITE-REGALIA/SCOTTISH-RITE-REGALIA-18-DEGREE.php
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Ok, now it is your turn (this could be fun).

Nice thread!

I was just looking at the Gmail logo this week and I was thinking about the
real meaning of the symbol. I knew it ain't just an envelope. I was looking
at all the triangles, but now it's obvious where they took their inspiration from.

This is a link i've posted in another thread (Red Ice TV - Secret Symbolism in Logos) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32339-Red-Ice-TV-Secret-Symbolism-in-Logos&p=451968#post451968):
http://onlyway.com/gallery/
That's a thread about logos instead of symbols, but it's the same principle.
It's really amazing the world is full of those symbols / logos.

It's really like the stories they tell us. It's all wrapped in a nice package,
but if you look a bit further there is something totally different to see.

This is the McDonalds logo:

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The big golden M (arches) is the 13th letter of the alphabet. Fritz Springmeier in his
13 Illuminati Bloodlines has already proven the McDonald's are associated with these Satanic families.

If you flip the logo 90 degrees you can see 13 too:

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Ever wondered why it`s called “fastfood”? It takes you faster to your grave!

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[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Isn´t most probable the the "m" from mcdonalds logo is just the representation of the "M"cdonalds?

If you look to everything with the conspiracy detective eyes, probably you´ll see conspiracy traces even in your door knobs or slippers.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Black Panther]

Hey mate,

Isn´t most probable the the "m" from mcdonalds logo is just the representation of the "M"cdonalds?

If you look to everything with the conspiracy detective eyes, probably you´ll see conspiracy traces even in your door knobs or slippers.

Cheers,

Raf.

That's what the sleeping sheep think too.

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Isn´t most probable the the "m" from mcdonalds logo is just the representation of the "M"cdonalds?

If you look to everything with the conspiracy detective eyes, probably you´ll see conspiracy traces even in your door knobs or slippers.

Cheers,

Raf.

That's what the sleeping sheep think too.

Hey mate,

There´s a balance between too much suspicion and too much naivety, you know?

Only when you reach such balance, or at least get close to it, you can see the world by a clear, unbiased point of view.

By the way, everything in life, maybe in the whole universe, is about balance and harmony.

Cheers,

Raf.

[kersley]

I agree some are done with intent, others are just logo.
As with the Egyptian wing, surely it means flight? It is said that Ra landed his craft on the back of the sphinx. (check out Wayne Herschell)
If true then he (Ra) would have the power of flight, hence why the wings..

[Operator]

Isn´t most probable the the "m" from mcdonalds logo is just the representation of the "M"cdonalds?

If you look to everything with the conspiracy detective eyes, probably you´ll see conspiracy traces even in your door knobs or slippers.


Hi Raf,

I agree with you, what you say is 100% correct.

And I think we must allow a free flow of ideas and suggestions. It stimulates people to have ideas of their own.
Of course there will be a grey area ranging from blatantly obvious to far fetched. But participants are free to
vent ideas (as long as it is not ridiculous) and readers are free to use their discernment to accept the suggestions
or not. In some cases one may be on the right track and provide a lead for someone else to pick up.

I like to see the people here deviate from the average behavior " problem, reaction, solution" and change
it into "action, creation, solution".

As for the golden arches ... this explanation is new to me. Another version was about the arches representing a
kind of gate. So the speculation is already vividly present.

So, thank you all for the contributions thus far. Keep your suggestions coming !

[Sandra]

this is why its an apple logo, Alan bit one full of cyanide, he was gay and even Manchester didnt approve back then

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

[xbusymom]

Not to get off topic with logos, but here is an interesting site with the changes of companies' logos over the years...

http://www.logoorange.com/logodesign-A.php

http://walmartstores.com/aboutus/8412.aspx

http://www.neatorama.com/2009/01/22/stories-behind-10-famous-food-logos/

[Debra]

Hi, the thread is tripping along here operator!

If I can add my extra 2 cents worth to what you are saying here .. what we must also understand is that all of us will ´read´the text of a logo and by that I mean the whole thing - the illustration or artwork, colours used, words etc., through the filters of our own worldviews. These are the lenses that we have developed over time, via cultural, psychological, emotional, ideological, sociological experiences .. and more some.

So, what I propose that we are each doing on this thread is saying something more about ourselves, than the logo itself.

Sure, someone has designed these .. and any number of people have informed the development of each logo .. and any number have approved that this is the final image which they want the world to see and impact.

Perhaps we can provide four exercises to analyse and evaluate these logos:

1. Give our own personal reading (staying aware of our own informing paradigms for the choices of how we read certain elements of each logo

2. Put yourself in the shoes of somebody who is your complete opposite, now read from that person´s world view filters.

3. Now, question the logo to ask who you think might be the ´writers´ that sit behind the logo (what are their world views, cultural, sociological, political ... systems of belief?)

4. Suggest any number of target audiences that the logo might be reaching and affecting.

This is probably simplistic but it could give some answers that resonate and point us closer to the intention behind these logos. I would suggest that this is more valuable to know.

My thinking is that if more people looked through these multiple textual layers with different lenses .. perhaps they would not be so vulnerable and manipulated.

Cheers,
Zebra





Isn´t most probable the the "m" from mcdonalds logo is just the representation of the "M"cdonalds?

If you look to everything with the conspiracy detective eyes, probably you´ll see conspiracy traces even in your door knobs or slippers.


Hi Raf,

I agree with you, what you say is 100% correct.

And I think we must allow a free flow of ideas and suggestions. It stimulates people to have ideas of their own.
Of course there will be a grey area ranging from blatantly obvious to far fetched. But participants are free to
vent ideas (as long as it is not ridiculous) and readers are free to use their discernment to accept the suggestions
or not. In some cases one may be on the right track and provide a lead for someone else to pick up.

I like to see the people here deviate from the average behavior " problem, reaction, solution" and change
it into "action, creation, solution".

As for the golden arches ... this explanation is new to me. Another version was about the arches representing a
kind of gate. So the speculation is already vividly present.

So, thank you all for the contributions thus far. Keep your suggestions coming !

[Black Panther]

Isn´t most probable the the "m" from mcdonalds logo is just the representation of the "M"cdonalds?

If you look to everything with the conspiracy detective eyes, probably you´ll see conspiracy traces even in your door knobs or slippers.


Hi Raf,

I agree with you, what you say is 100% correct.

And I think we must allow a free flow of ideas and suggestions. It stimulates people to have ideas of their own.
Of course there will be a grey area ranging from blatantly obvious to far fetched. But participants are free to
vent ideas (as long as it is not ridiculous) and readers are free to use their discernment to accept the suggestions
or not. In some cases one may be on the right track and provide a lead for someone else to pick up.

I like to see the people here deviate from the average behavior " problem, reaction, solution" and change
it into "action, creation, solution".

As for the golden arches ... this explanation is new to me. Another version was about the arches representing a
kind of gate. So the speculation is already vividly present.

So, thank you all for the contributions thus far. Keep your suggestions coming !

The M is of course the M of McDonalds like the Apple logo is there because of the company name Apple.
It is all a façade like I said before. It's about the real meaning of the logo / symbol. What's behind it.
I have found out that the deeper you go into the rabbit hole the crazier it gets. The conspiracy is
not a group of people somewhere in the US or England it's actually all around us even our own
brains are effected because of the conspiracy.

About my slippers :biggrin: : The Nike logo comes from Saturn. I'm reading the newest book of David Icke
and it is really interesting. He is talking a lot about the Saturn-Moon matrix. Saturn worship is
everywhere to see in our everyday lives.

No hard feelings, Raf!

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[Alie]

I don't know how to record this and it's probably way out there. Regarding the Windows Microsoft Opening Screen there are 4 "orbs/lights" that swirl and come together. I've been thinking maybe it means ET of 4 races and represent their craft.

[xbusymom]

I don't know how to record this and it's probably way out there. Regarding the Windows Microsoft Opening Screen there are 4 "orbs/lights" that swirl and come together. I've been thinking maybe it means ET of 4 races and represent their craft.

I thought they looked like ufo's too.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Very weird indeed Zampano. And what about the Alfa Romeo logo. Why is that reptile have a crown on his head and eating a man? And why does berluscony have that same logo in his garden?

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/alfa_romeo.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g318/xtratalk1/BERISC.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g318/xtratalk1/alfa_romeo_logos.gif

And of course the templar flag.:wave:

That man-eating snake is from the coat of arms of the House of Visconti (of Milan)