Understanding the Sovereignty Issues in the Drake Interview with David Wilcock

[Mozart]

Ok, Avalon,

I first posted these posts in the "DIVINE INTERVENTION" thread, but after I realized that, perhaps, this topic of discussion -- the sovereignty issues -- deserved its own thread, so I contacted a moderator on this site and asked her if it was ok to start a new thread by using the three large posts that I had posted in this other thread.

She gave it a big "YESS" -- quoting her here -- so here it goes.

It starts with the issue of the corporate CEOs as a sure indication that something **BIG** is going on in the corporate world that is absolutely extraordinary. This information is not based on some guy's word -- it's fact and it's out there for real.


By the way, a lot of the resignations could be because of burnout.

*sigh*

I was able to make a graph using MS Word, but I was not able to transfer the image into this post.

Anyway, corporate burnout has always happened in the corporate world, so people leaving corporations has always happened at the rate of about 2,000 resignations per quarter, per the EDGAR stats in the SEC, which requires corporations to file paperwork for every single resignation of CEOs and CFOs in corporations.

So, in lieu of an inserted graph, I'm going to have to make-do.

The average CEO/CFO resignations has been 2,000 per quarter for many years, ok?

Each "X" represents 400 resignations, ok?

1st Quarter 2011
XXXXX (2,000

2nd Quarter, 2011
XXXXX (2,000)

3rd Quarter, 2011
XXXXXXXXXX (4,000)

4th Quarter, 2011
XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX (7,000)

1st Quarter, 2012
XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX (16,000)


So, this is a MASSIVE jump in the corporate resignations. Did corporate burnout suddenly jump EIGHT-FOLD in just a few months? 800%?

No.

This ad-hoc chart shows that there is something ELSE going on.

What could it be?

Now, I edited/coordinated the Drake transcript, but since it's not yet been published, I cannot take quotes and paste them here, so I'll have to recap without quotes.

Drake got on the radio show and laid out the basic sovereignty information in May/June of 2011 and that was at the end of the second quarter of 2011.

Somebody in Pennsylvania took notes and sent off the paperwork to the Hague sometime in June, 2011. The entire paperwork process (for the majority of the Original Thirteen Colonies) was done by July/Aug, 2011. This was before the end of the third quarter of 2011 ... and notice that the rate of resignations DOUBLED in that quarter, so I think that the whole paperwork process probably was all done by no later than mid-July, 2011.

Then in the final quarter of 2011, the rate nearly DOUBLED again.

Then in the first quarter of 2012, the rate MORE THAN DOUBLED again.

So, in total, the rate has QUADRUPLED from the average, normal rate of 2,000 resignations per quarter to 16,000+ in the first quarter of 2012.

SOMETHING ELSE is going on other than corporate burnout.

The vast majority of those corporations are closely tied into the central core set of the 147 corporations that have direct connections to the 2nd-tier of 3,000+ corporations in which the core set of corporations have direct control/directorship over.

Then there's the 3rd tier of many thousands of additional corporations that have profited massively from their connecting to the core tier and 2nd tier of corporations that are closely tied in with the Illoonynaughties.

Those rats are now jumping ship since they have lost their protection, now that the Illoonynaughties now will soon no longer effectively control the US military.

The MAJORITY of those in the US military are the good guys -- even if they don't know it -- and they would immediately align with the good guys who are in the know about The Plan that has been planned by the insider good guys for decades.

As Drake pointed out, there is an enormous amount of tactical positioning going on right now, so once the green light is issued and the initial arrest actions are taken, then the MAJORITY of the huge bunch of good guys in the US military will align with this movement and be available to assist.

Then you must consider that the good guys would have effective control of the Pentagon, so when that happens, there ain't a damn spot on Earth to which the bad guys can run to and hide themselves, or the money that they'd take with them.

Many guys in Special Forces will fully support the good guys, so just about all the goddamn Illoonynaughties will be apprehended, arrested and put into those FEMA camps while they await trial.

[Endity]

This def helped put things in perspective for me. Great post keep up the good work!

[Mozart]

Ok, about the debate over the jurisdiction of the ICJ.

What the paperwork that Pennsylvania team of American Patriots did was that it forced the ICJ -- that wears the hats of the Common Law and the Admiralty system of "laws" -- to RECOGNIZE that the inhabitants (notice that I used this word, instead of the "residents" word) of the Original Thirteen Colonies have declared themselves sovereign, thus, in effect, REBIRTHED the beloved Declaration of Independence.

The problem with the original Declaration of Independence was that it died when the last signatory who signed the document died, so it was no longer in effect.

So it was critical that the people who live in the Original Thirteen Colonies -- not officials with big-assed titles, not politicians, not corporate guys -- simple people within those states that were once those Original Thirteen Colonies to sign the paperwork that was accepted by the ICJ, per their rules, thus such paperwork now STANDS AS INCONTROVERTIBLE FACT AND AS LAW within the Common Law framework **AND** the Admiralty color-of-law framework.

Through the color-of-law adhesion contracts -- the Social Security numbers, driver licenses, voter registration, etc, etc -- the people had been converted into mere legal-fiction "persons", who are fully subject to the jurisdiction of the unlawful 14th Amendment and fully under the thumb of the color-of-law system that built on a massive base of duped, ignorant persons.

So when the few persons/signatories completed their Notification Process with the ICJ, they then were able to throw off the horrible yoke of corporate personhood and were reborn as We the People, who stand AT THE TOP of the power structure in the Common Law and the Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully amended.

ANYBODY, ANY agent acting within the color-of-law system, or the color-of-law system itself has NO EFFECT, NO JURISDICTION over anyone who is a part of the We the People because the People -- each one -- is sovereign within a sovereign nation-state that exists within the Common Law that encompasses the Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully amended.

Note that Drake said that everything was done to try to stop the process by the many agents of the Illoonynaughties within the ICJ, but the paperwork proceeded and was completed.

It has been a long-accepted tenet in the realm of law that when someone makes a formal, public declaration without any subsequent controverting of such a declaration, such a declaration would stand as fact within the framework of the Common Law. Every single newspaper of record in America has the "Legal Notices" column in the classifieds section that is used for this purpose.

Since the ICJ wears both the Common Law and the color-of-law hats, it HAS TO allow the Common-Law-based paperwork to be completed by the inhabitants of the Original Thirteen Colonies, as long as such paperwork was properly completed, per the protocols of the ICJ paperwork procedures.

By virtue of the completed paperwork, the inhabitants of the Original Thirteen Colonies had, in effect, rebirthed the Declaration of the Independence -- the very document that their own forefathers signed in their respective states/colonies -- and made it FACT AND LAW within the Common Law framework.

And BECAUSE the ICJ wears the hats of both jurisdictions, the color-of-law system is FORCED to recognize the validity of the rebirthed Declaration of Independence via the declaration of sovereignty within the framework of the ICJ system, in which the vast majority of the world's nations are signatories.

It does NOT matter if the USA, Inc does not recognize this new declaration by the inhabitants of the because the new declaration of sovereignty has not been controverted by the USA, Inc, nor by anybody else.

And the USA, Inc **CAN'T** controvert the new declaration, because if they tried to do so, they'd expose themselves very badly, so they are caught in an impossible bind, hence the fleeing of the rats jumping off the corporate ships.

The jig is up. The game is over. The corporate bastards have lost the game.[COLOR="red"]

[Mozart]

[/COLOR]There are three systems of law.

1) Ecclesiastical

2) Common Law / Constitutional Law

3) Maritime / Admiralty "law"

These systems of law actually date back to the oldest systems of law, the Sumerian systems of law that pretty much is the birth of the "modern" history of man as we know it.

But, for the sake of simplicity, I'll work with the post-AD systems of law that are currently in effect.


Ecclesiastical Law

The first one, the Ecclesiastical one, currently exists mainly within the framework of religion and religious entities today; however, this system of law was dominant during the church era in the Dark Ages where the Catholic Church was pretty much it in terms of law, education, power and wealth.

The Catholic Church still exists today as the first and still operating Corporation Sole that operates within the Ecclesiastical system of laws.

Back in the Dark Ages, the Catholic Church was it in terms of reading/writing -- the Bible, etc -- of education and of anything pertaining to the realm of governance.


Common Law and Constitutional Law

Things changed for the better, big-time, when, in the awesome Magna Carta, the idea of the Common Law was formalized and publicly born with the the public mind that one who lives on the land can be free from the tyranny of others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

So, when the Magna Carta happened, a whole host of awesome writers/thinkers got busy and they wrote a ton of books, pamphlets that supported the idea and cause of freedom that culminated in the birth of the Declaration of Independence and the Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully Amended.

Here's a great site to take a look into those older works on liberty/freedom:

http://constitution.org/cs_basic.htm


Martitime/Admiralty system -- Color-Of-Law system

Now, the Organic Constitution is fatally flawed and it was through those fatal flaws that allowed the third system of "law" to develop and take over the United States with the end-result of the EFF'd-up world that we are in today.

The basis of the Maritime/Admiralty system of "laws" -- such "laws" are really administrative rules and regulations, hence I always put quote marks around "law" when I talk about the eff'n Martitime/Admiralty system of "laws" -- is the idea of Prima Facie as being the underlying foundation of this system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_facie

It was useful for governing ships at sea, but it was bastardized into applying it upon the land, especially the land of the newly-free and sovereign Citizens of the brand-new Republic that was born as soon as the Declaration of Independence was signed.

Europe operated fully within the Maritime/Admiralty system of "laws", due to the sheer amount of commerce that utilized ships as the main conveyance of commerce and conquest.

So when this young, brash and bold whippersnapper, the Thirteen Colonies, had the audacity of hope and change to boldly declare themselves free and sovereign, the Illoonynaughties in Europe were pretty keen to infiltrate and eff-up the new colonies whenever and however they could.

So it was absolutely critical for the European Illoonynaughties to STOP the ratification process of ratifying the Original 13th Amendment, so they were able to do so when they intercepted -- by the freshly-arrived British Red Coats -- the very last ratification document while it was en-route to the designation to make it official.

Stopping the Original 13th Amendment was THE KEY reason for the War of 1812. Don't believe those damn history books that tell you otherwise. They not only succeed in stopping the ratification of the Original 13th Amendment, they also burned down the Library of Congress that contained MANY critical documents that supported the new Republic.

Think about the timing of the British Red Coats arriving by ship at sea for a couple, three months, then snagging the LAST Article of Ratification right when it was en-route on a horse to the designation? I mean, man, talk about eff'n rotten luck! Damn!

With the Original 13th Amendment out of the way, the European Illoonynaughties were able to flood the new Republic after 1812 with a HUGE flood of an virtual army of men bearing those dreaded Titles of Nobility -- Attorneys -- to wreak havoc on the new Republic and kill it by implementing many bleeding cuts via legal means, here and there, everywhere in the several States, to the point of creating/fomenting a Civil War that was designed to be the final kill shot to kill the Republic.

And kill it, it did.

So the Constitution was born that included fatal flaws that could later on be exploited and used to create a system of "laws" that had the same name (i.e., "United States"), the same appearance (i.e. Constitution of the United States), but with a DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT effect of domination and subjugation of a people who had gradually been tricked into becoming mere corporate legal-fiction persons via the signing of numerous contracts that voided out their sovereignty, one-by-one.

But despite the fatal flaws in our Constitution, it's what we've got, so we need to work with it and use it to our advantage to throw off the color-of-law bastards.

Now, look at the difference between the Organic Constitution for the United States of America:

http://constitution.org/constit_.htm

And take a look at the corporate constitution that's the Constitution of the United States:

http://constitution.org/usconsti.htm#preamble

Look at the underlined "for" and "of" ... BIG DIFFERENCES THERE. The first one was created for the several States of the newly-formed Union of States; the second one was created by the USA, Inc, so they owned it, lock, stock and barrel.

Go to Article IV, Section 2 and see the difference of the capitalization of the key word, "Citizen" in the Original Constitution vs. the non-capitalized "citizen" in the corporate version.

BIG DIFFERENCE THERE!

And that's just one of many differences between the two versions. The Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully Amended, is the legit version; the corporate version is not the legit version and none of those changes were properly ratified by the People themselves through proper ratification processes.

The Citizen -- with the capitalized "C" -- is one of the Whole Number of We the People, each of whom is sovereign and whom is superior in terms of standing and power with respect to their own government.

The corporate citizen -- without the lower-case "c" -- is a legal-fiction, corporate entity that is subject to the jurisdiction of the corporate United States via the unlawful 14th Amendment, hence that's why I always use the phrase, "as Lawfully amended" after "Organic Constitution".

The 14th Amendment was not properly, Lawfully ratified, so it is null and not in effect. The corporate 13th Amendment is also null and not in effect.

In other forums I had posted many times an impossible wish/dream of reverting our government back into the Organic Constitution that was created for the United States of America with the Lawful 13th Amendment in effect.

But over the years, that dream looked more and more impossible ... until this Drake interview came along and I was absolutely floored to see that high-ranking men in the US military, like Drake, also share this impossible dream ... BUT those men are in a position to DO SOMETHING about it.

And it seems that they plan to do it soon.

So our role, as persons who are yearning to breathe free, to once again become one of the Whole Number of the People, is to support Drake and our efforts to reclaim our Republic by shouting your mouse as loud as you can!

Shout your mouse! The USA, Inc is a goddamn elephant that has parked itself into our living rooms, our bedrooms, our closets, our TVs, our schools, our food, etc, etc., so let's kick that EFF'n pink elephant out of our lives for EFF'n good!

[karelia]

Thanks for making this its own thread. I think sovereignty is the most important subject because it actually shows us a way to get out of the dilemma we're in. Most people are unaware that they themselves are NOT what it says they are on their various forms of ID, such as passports, driving licenses etc, which is nothing but a fictional entity. Does it take studying to get the nitty-gritty of it all? Yes, it does. Is it frightening? YES! But it's equally liberating when you realise that you're not a slave but a sovereign human being, you're not a fictional entity because you are a human being of flesh and blood and therefore are not part of the corporate world like they want to make you believe.

Imagine the ultimate results when the majority of humankind makes the conscious decision to reclaim their sovereignty: Instead of paying x$$$ for passports, driving licenses, a copy of your SSN card, hiking license, mushroom-hunting license, deer-hunting license, electricity bill, water bill, gas bill, overdraft charges, taxes of any form; you'll simply decide upon waking up that today, you'll visit your friend on the other side of the globe. There will be no TSA to cause misery in your journey. There will be no terrorist threats because they're all either in jail or have left the planet. It will be the smoothest journey ever, and you'll arrive refreshed because everyone you meet on your way is happy for you and shares their own joy, and you'll make friends on the way, too. That's the way our world should be, and it's our duty to make it so.

[renegadejr]

Thank you so much for the posts and comments. I was a bit leery on the Drake character and how this exactly will occur but due to this Thread it is clear enough. As always i am available for help in detaining these guys. Here is a proposed name for a civilians group-Sovereign Citizens of American Revolution- or SCAR:-). Have nothing else better to do being unemployed and am trained in various hand to hand martial arts and weapons training. Never joined any government force because of my "opinion" on their position in listening to everything your told from your higher ups. How can a warrior just do what you are told without knowledge. maybe that's why im here. anyways one light, one love, one earth.

[crosby]

excellent idea to make this into a separate thread. it deserves to have it's own space. thanks Mozart.
warmest regards, corson

[DreamsInDigital]

Mozart ,

Thank you for doing this thread, you have such a great way of explaining things to make them much easier to understand, I am very thankful on many levels for your efforts, kindness and patience along with your wonderful way of articulating things. When you mentioned 'The Plan' it automatically made me think about this video clip. I really think it fits this situation.

"Well, I'm glad to see the plan is going according to schedule."
X-jBC6kTdas

[Mozart]

I do wish that the Drake transcript was posted by now, sheesh.

I'll have to make-do without it.

If you had listened to the entire Drake / Wilcock interview, you may recall that Drake mentioned that their Notification Process that they submitted to the Hague could not be challenged by the Illoonynaughty bastards in Europe.

Why? It's simple.

If you refer back to my "The Three Systems of Law" post, you will see that these three systems of law operate in different spheres of power.

The European Illoonynaughty elites operate wholly within the Martitime/Admiralty system of "laws", so they can and do govern anything that derives its source of power/existence within the color-of-law Maritime/Admiralty system of "laws"; however, such a color-of-law system has NO EFFECT, NO POWER and NO JURISDICTION over ANYTHING that derives its power/existence within the realm of Common Law and the Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully amended.

The Notification Process paperwork that was submitted to the was very carefully written by the group of patriots in Pennsylvania and the paperwork was carefully construed in a way that it operated wholly within the Common Law system, supported by the Signatures of several of the People in Pennsylvania and other members of the Original Thirteen Colonies that were original parties to the original Declaration of Independence.

Think of it this way:

Common Law / Organic Constitution of 1787 = water.

Color of law / Maritime - Admiralty "laws" = petro/snake oil.

The first one is clear and sustains life.

The second one is filthy, dark and destroys life.

So by existing within the framework of the Common Law system, NONE of the goddamn Illoonynaughty elites could even whisper up any sort of challenge, hence the rapid start of the rats deserting the corporate ships all over the world that started as soon as word got out that the Notification Process by the Original Thirteen Colonies had begun.

Notice that the Notification Process did not finish until Feb, 2012 -- so we are looking at, what, about 8 months of this Notification Process struggling along, trying to overcome the numerous roadblocks thrown down by many agents, yet all those CEOs/CFOs were fleeing their corporate nest eggs in a hell of a hurry.

Many were simply gathering up their family members, bagging a bunch of cash and taking off on permanent foreign vacations, thus abandoning their multimillion-dollar homes and properties to whatever.

Something BIG is going on.

[xbusymom]

ok, I am still confused... do we need to do anything with reclaiming our own Sovereignty, or just cut/paste-post the reclaimed history lesson to everyone?

[TWINCANS]

Thanks for the explanation, Mozart. How does this thinking apply to other countries? UK? Canada? Australia? Italy? etc. etc. Or is it only the US that has the Common Law 'out' from the snake oil purveyors of Maritime Law? ie I thought Canada was a Constitutional system ie Common Law?

[Tane Mahuta]

Thankyou mozart for posting. There is hope...

TM

[A Simple Human]

I first posted these posts in the "DIVINE INTERVENTION" thread, but after I realized that, perhaps, this topic of discussion -- the sovereignty issues -- deserved its own thread, so I contacted a moderator on this site and asked her if it was ok to start a new thread by using the three large posts that I had posted in this other thread.

@ Mozart,

Nice job starting a new thread specifically covering sovereignty.

I publicly and formally request permission to post this thread as a link in post #6 of my American citizens: Become aware, then prepare (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43269-American-citizens-Become-aware-then-prepare-) thread. I believe that your outstanding overview of sovereignty would be a great asset to any future visitors to my thread. Thanks again for your tremendous effort. :hail:

[Tane Mahuta]

Thanks for the explanation, Mozart. How does this thinking apply to other countries? UK? Canada? Australia? Italy? etc. etc. Or is it only the US that has the Common Law 'out' from the snake oil purveyors of Maritime Law? ie I thought Canada was a Constitutional system ie Common Law?

Hi TC, this is what I found!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Canada

Never forget, what happens in the "US of A" will effect all nations. All corrupt Governments will be brought/fall down.(imho)

TM

[modwiz]

I first posted these posts in the "DIVINE INTERVENTION" thread, but after I realized that, perhaps, this topic of discussion -- the sovereignty issues -- deserved its own thread, so I contacted a moderator on this site and asked her if it was ok to start a new thread by using the three large posts that I had posted in this other thread.

@ Mozart,

Nice job starting a new thread specifically covering sovereignty.

I publicly and formally request permission to post this thread as a link in post #6 of my American citizens: Become aware, then prepare (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43269-American-citizens-Become-aware-then-prepare-) thread. I believe that your outstanding overview of sovereignty would be a great asset to any future visitors to my thread. Thanks again for your tremendous effort. :hail:

I agree on the great value of this information for moving forward towards a better future. There are 4 members viewing this thread currently. That is a symptom of the biggest problem we face.
http://images.pseudoreality.org/SheepAni.gif

The organized crime of our governments is certainly a problem, but it is the stultifying apathy towards some interest and investing time in this subject that is the real problem. This forum supposedly represents the awakened and we have 4 members viewing.

I am very glad for those who are doing the good work. It has always been the case, the many are saved by the blood and sweat of a few heroes. Let us hope the heroes continue to prevail against all odds. I think they will. They do have the unconscious support of the many, and that does count for something.

[foreverfan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldSvr_nDjKU

[modwiz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldSvr_nDjKU

Thanks for contributing to the conversation.

[sandy]

Great Post Mozart!! Thank you

I actually was very serious way back in the mid nineties in becoming sovereign in what was called De-taxing at that time. After studying it for 3 months I did not follow through as at that time is was very convoluted, virtually unknown and had little support.

Canada is under Admiralty law and common law as well of which one has to be deeply studied to tackle the true legal jargon and steps required to be successful. Thus it is a process and one that can be lengthy so timelines cannot be solid and only proximal at best.

I say GO GET EM GUYS!!!!! Behind you 100% for your country's sake and in the end for Canada's too!!!

[aranuk]

Dear Modwiz This is the one big problem we all have to deal with. Complacency and of course a lifetime of brainwashing by the media. Even my dear wife who has always been interested in political change and has always been against war, the extreme right wing influence against the masses, still to this day bases all her knowledge on world politics on what she watches on tv and reads in the newspapers. When I mention something I read here or watch a video from here, she of all people tells me that I am on the internet too much and that I am a conspiracy theorist. That I find is an insult to me. Most of her pals who visit our house would agree with her. I once recently made the mistake and mentioned the four letter word ICKE and the company which included two of my so called pals started laughing AT me, saying things like you don't believe anything that nutter says do you? I am thinking the people in Scotland are more brainwashed than any other nation. Mind you I am getting thicker skinned over the years as I have been getting strange looks when folk hear that I'm an Astrologer. Now of course I am Astrology nutjob and a conspiracy theorist. I got angry in the car a week ago when my wife accused me as Conspiracy theorist. I shouted very loudly that's what the Paedophiles say in their defence when someone digs too near and asks them awkward questions.

Stan

[modwiz]

Dear Modwiz This is the one big problem we all have to deal with. Complacency and of course a lifetime of brainwashing by the media. Even my dear wife who has always been interested in political change and has always been against war, the extreme right wing influence against the masses, still to this day bases all her knowledge on world politics on what she watches on tv and reads in the newspapers. When I mention something I read here or watch a video from here, she of all people tells me that I am on the internet too much and that I am a conspiracy theorist. That I find is an insult to me. Most of her pals who visit our house would agree with her. I once recently made the mistake and mentioned the four letter word ICKE and the company which included two of my so called pals started laughing AT me, saying things like you don't believe anything that nutter says do you? I am thinking the people in Scotland are more brainwashed than any other nation. Mind you I am getting thicker skinned over the years as I have been getting strange looks when folk hear that I'm an Astrologer. Now of course I am Astrology nutjob and a conspiracy theorist. I got angry in the car a week ago when my wife accused me as Conspiracy theorist. I shouted very loudly that's what the Paedophiles say in their defence when someone digs too near and asks them awkward questions.

Stan

I feel for you Stan and it is why most of my waking hours are spent alone. As a massage therapist, interacting with others is always a part of my reality and I am glad for it. Once required relating is over I seek my own company for the most part. Wife is not thrilled by there is no other choice for her. The other option is me living by myself. I can no longer abide the emotionally based living that most of humanity dwells in. Wallow may be a better word for it. I am not a nutter to my wife, but respected for my knowledge. The only friends I will have are ones that live in a similar world as my own. Nature is a great companion. The richness that exists there is very satisfying for me.

Thanks for your words and input and know that you will be the 'go to' person when things start to shift dramatically.

[161803398]

If anyone tells you that you are a conspiracy theorist; tell them to go back to their rose garden.

I really get tired of these people. There is no one in a position to control anything, particularly money, who is not delighted by the lack of sophistication of your friends.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Ok, Avalon,

I first posted these posts in the "DIVINE INTERVENTION" thread, but after I realized that, perhaps, this topic of discussion -- the sovereignty issues -- deserved its own thread, so I contacted a moderator on this site and asked her if it was ok to start a new thread by using the three large posts that I had posted in this other thread.

She gave it a big "YESS" -- quoting her here -- so here it goes.

It starts with the issue of the corporate CEOs as a sure indication that something **BIG** is going on in the corporate world that is absolutely extraordinary. This information is not based on some guy's word -- it's fact and it's out there for real.


By the way, a lot of the resignations could be because of burnout.

*sigh*

I was able to make a graph using MS Word, but I was not able to transfer the image into this post.

Anyway, corporate burnout has always happened in the corporate world, so people leaving corporations has always happened at the rate of about 2,000 resignations per quarter, per the EDGAR stats in the SEC, which requires corporations to file paperwork for every single resignation of CEOs and CFOs in corporations.

So, in lieu of an inserted graph, I'm going to have to make-do.

The average CEO/CFO resignations has been 2,000 per quarter for many years, ok?

Each "X" represents 400 resignations, ok?

1st Quarter 2011
XXXXX (2,000

2nd Quarter, 2011
XXXXX (2,000)

3rd Quarter, 2011
XXXXXXXXXX (4,000)

4th Quarter, 2011
XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX (7,000)

1st Quarter, 2012
XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX (16,000)


So, this is a MASSIVE jump in the corporate resignations. Did corporate burnout suddenly jump FOUR-FOLD in just a few months?

No.

This ad-hoc chart shows that there is something ELSE going on.

What could it be?

Now, I edited/coordinated the Drake transcript, but since it's not yet been published, I cannot take quotes and paste them here, so I'll have to recap without quotes.

Drake got on the radio show and laid out the basic sovereignty information in May/June of 2011 and that was at the end of the second quarter of 2011.

Somebody in Pennsylvania took notes and sent off the paperwork to the Hague sometime in June, 2011. The entire paperwork process (for the majority of the Original Thirteen Colonies) was done by July/Aug, 2011. This was before the end of the third quarter of 2011 ... and notice that the rate of resignations DOUBLED in that quarter, so I think that the whole paperwork process probably was all done by no later than mid-July, 2011.

Then in the final quarter of 2011, the rate nearly DOUBLED again.

Then in the first quarter of 2012, the rate MORE THAN DOUBLED again.

So, in total, the rate has QUADRUPLED from the average, normal rate of 2,000 resignations per quarter to 16,000+ in the first quarter of 2012.

SOMETHING ELSE is going on other than corporate burnout.

The vast majority of those corporations are closely tied into the central core set of the 147 corporations that have direct connections to the 2nd-tier of 3,000+ corporations in which the core set of corporations have direct control/directorship over.

Then there's the 3rd tier of many thousands of additional corporations that have profited massively from their connecting to the core tier and 2nd tier of corporations that are closely tied in with the Illoonynaughties.

Those rats are now jumping ship since they have lost their protection, now that the Illoonynaughties now will soon no longer effectively control the US military.

The MAJORITY of those in the US military are the good guys -- even if they don't know it -- and they would immediately align with the good guys who are in the know about The Plan that has been planned by the insider good guys for decades.

As Drake pointed out, there is an enormous amount of tactical positioning going on right now, so once the green light is issued and the initial arrest actions are taken, then the MAJORITY of the huge bunch of good guys in the US military will align with this movement and be available to assist.

Then you must consider that the good guys would have effective control of the Pentagon, so when that happens, there ain't a damn spot on Earth to which the bad guys can run to and hide themselves, or the money that they'd take with them.

Many guys in Special Forces will fully support the good guys, so just about all the goddamn Illoonynaughties will be apprehended, arrested and put into those FEMA camps while they await trial.

Mozart, thanks for the concrete info/facts, i had no idea where to look for this myself ( also have a lot of other things to do like most of us).

Seeing this in your post gives me at least some visual confirmation ( i missed that) about whats going on and who is jumping or made to jump ship, this gives me hope, finally, all the bs in the alternative and msm lately became a major turnoff for me so its good to see this thread( listened to the interview twice and this one actually felt kinda good and hopefull.). Finally something to look forward too without the usual headaches and nosebleeds.

Regards

[crosby]

I feel for you Stan and it is why most of my waking hours are spent alone. As a massage therapist, interacting with others is always a part of my reality and I am glad for it. Once required relating is over I seek my own company for the most part. Wife is not thrilled by there is no other choice for her. The other option is me living by myself. I can no longer abide the emotionally based living that most of humanity dwells in. Wallow may be a better word for it. I am not a nutter to my wife, but respected for my knowledge. The only friends I will have are ones that live in a similar world as my own. Nature is a great companion. The richness that exists there is very satisfying for me.

Thanks for your words and input and know that you will be the 'go to' person when things start to shift dramatically.


i am in the same boat. i keep pushing the envelope with everyone that i know. there are many that look at me as though i have lost my mind, there are some that look at me with a blush of confusion, and then there are a few that begin to ask me questions. with those few, i tell them of every site that they should visit, every thing that i have learned. they come back to me all the time; sometimes just too show me what they have learned, and sometimes they fill me in on something new. they know now how hard it is to awaken the masses. i was chatting with my sister who lives in florida the other day; she was talking about the financial debacle. she was blaming the republicans. i started to laugh. she asked me what was so funny. i told her to she needed to watch the documentary The Fall of the Republic. she asked why and i told her that in order for her to understand what happened to her money, she needed to know where it came from and hence, why it left her. she became insulted and hung up on me. several hours later she did call back. apologized, and asked if i could give her more information.

sometimes, i feel as though i am not making any headway. and then sometimes i feel as though i have conquered the enemy on my own. but i believe that we all must just keep pushing the envelope. make people hear us. sometimes it pays off. and let's face it, some people are just comatose.
warmest regards, corson

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his contrarian hat...

Here we go again down another leg of that dim dark rabbit hole!!

Thre are some who have studied this issue for twenty odd years and will tell you that Common Law is a nice pipe dream held by libertarian types but in reality it no longer exists. You have the Roman system which operates on three levels. First is UCC circa early 1900's second is Cannon circa early eighties re write and third is Talmudic. Remedy they suggest comes via filing an eclesiastical deed poll.(similar to claim of right)

You have another character claiming he has stepped into the vacated office of US postmaster and subsequently filed paperwork with the Vatican which has been accepted and is now offering remedy via that pathaway provided you use his account as a clearing mechanism. M'kay.

Now we've got the Drake squad claiming to re establish the US constitution under common law. Well last time I looked common law was still based on contract law and as such unless you are a signatory to that re birthed constitution it does not and never will apply to you. Any non signatory seeking to poke their nose into a private contract will get short shift for being a third party interloper.

One of the issues that fails to sink into the heads of those somewhat in awe of the sovereignty movement is what it really entails when it comes to the very necessary SELF responsibility aspect. OK the roman system uses adhesion to get you to stand surety for the dead fella (Birth Certificate) but how many grasp the fact that in exchange for your being treated as an infant/incompetant/thing are the benefit/priveleges that go with it. ie Entre to their entire system...you know hospitals, roads, power, water, blah blah blah the list is endless.

If you choose to step outside this are you ready to face going without all those little things that make life what it is?? How many just in this community are off grid and fully self suficient. Not too many I'd hazard a guess.

Another aspect to this is, lets just for arguments sake say everyone filed for remedy and everyone ended up with miilions to administer for the general good. Look at what happens to the average joe six pack lotto winner. Instant millionaire and three years later broke again. So we all get richer but has the base issue of greed been addressed...no... so it'll all just go round in circles. That folks is usually why those who are really in the know on this stuff seem to be a bit reticent on suggeting the solution and you can't really blame them as the other side invariably closes the exposed loopholes and consequently the noose around our collective necks.

The other aspect that concerns me is the whole 'meet the new boss just like the old boss'. I mean it isn't like the NWO types aren't looking for an excuse to usher in a one world system. So what proof is on offer that all this is not a play straight into their hands via problem reaction solution.

Tuppence wortjh...

[Billy]

Just found this http://pathwaytoascension.wordpress.com/2012/03/30/the-pentagon-wants-this-information-to-go-viral/

http://www.amendment-13.org/

If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them." [Journal of the Senate]

peace

[YvonneG]

i am in the same boat. i keep pushing the envelope with everyone that i know. there are many that look at me as though i have lost my mind, there are some that look at me with a blush of confusion, and then there are a few that begin to ask me questions. with those few, i tell them of every site that they should visit, every thing that i have learned. they come back to me all the time; sometimes just too show me what they have learned, and sometimes they fill me in on something new. they know now how hard it is to awaken the masses. i was chatting with my sister who lives in florida the other day; she was talking about the financial debacle. she was blaming the republicans. i started to laugh. she asked me what was so funny. i told her to she needed to watch the documentary The Fall of the Republic. she asked why and i told her that in order for her to understand what happened to her money, she needed to know where it came from and hence, why it left her. she became insulted and hung up on me. several hours later she did call back. apologized, and asked if i could give her more information.

sometimes, i feel as though i am not making any headway. and then sometimes i feel as though i have conquered the enemy on my own. but i believe that we all must just keep pushing the envelope. make people hear us. sometimes it pays off. and let's face it, some people are just comatose.
warmest regards, corson

Hello everyone, In case this is helpful to others. I wrote up a very non-threatening letter, giving just enough information, and letting people know to prepare and there is nothing to be afraid of. Whether they believe it or not or even care to listen to the interview. I plead with them to just get enough food and other necessities for a month and if nothing happens they have nothing to lose. I am no longer concerned with convincing anyone to see all of this. It took me years to digest it all. But lovingly telling people to prepare without going into too much detail is the approach I am taking with neighbors and others that won't be able to digest this. I remember one patriot a few years ago said on a radio show, don't throw up over people. Remember how long it has taken you. And most people are on information overload anyway.

On the other hand, those who ask, or email you back, then you can share a little more. So far it is working well. Fear is an interesting as is concerned about being rejected or losing credibility. I have friend who I have shared with for years, who so far won't share with his friends because he feels he has already lost credibility and doesn't want to lose more. And I have a cousin who because she had listened to Thrive had some understanding and is ready to rock n' roll and tell others. We just don't know. I have thrown all caution to wind and since I am coming from love and trying to convince them of anything, it seems to have come through in my communiiations, unlike before

[John Parslow]

I feel for you Stan and it is why most of my waking hours are spent alone. As a massage therapist, interacting with others is always a part of my reality and I am glad for it. Once required relating is over I seek my own company for the most part. Wife is not thrilled by there is no other choice for her. The other option is me living by myself. I can no longer abide the emotionally based living that most of humanity dwells in. Wallow may be a better word for it. I am not a nutter to my wife, but respected for my knowledge. The only friends I will have are ones that live in a similar world as my own. Nature is a great companion. The richness that exists there is very satisfying for me.

Thanks for your words and input and know that you will be the 'go to' person when things start to shift dramatically.

Hello aranuk and modwiz

Aranuk - where do I start, your situation is so akin to mine we could be twins! I have exactly the same situation with my darling wife; my friends and children - my daughter actually made me a tin-hat last yea, when I asked what it was for she said: "so that 'they' can't read your brainwaves", and went off into the next room laughing ... as modwiz has correctly pointed out, with only four people viewing this thread - how can we wake people up? It is a continuing matter of some distress to me that throughout my continuing attempts to enlighten my angel of a wife, she just gives me a knowing look and continues to watch her rubbish TV programmes ...

As soon as something like the mass arrests of TPTW become public knowledge - which I am sure will be very soon - perhaps even sceptic's will start to open their eyes and ears and finally ease out of their slumber.

P.S. Many thanks also go to Mozart for an excellent presentation of the current situation.

Love to all. JP

[TWINCANS]

i am in the same boat. i keep pushing the envelope with everyone that i know. there are many that look at me as though i have lost my mind, there are some that look at me with a blush of confusion, and then there are a few that begin to ask me questions. with those few, i tell them of every site that they should visit, every thing that i have learned. they come back to me all the time; sometimes just too show me what they have learned, and sometimes they fill me in on something new. they know now how hard it is to awaken the masses. i was chatting with my sister who lives in florida the other day; she was talking about the financial debacle. she was blaming the republicans. i started to laugh. she asked me what was so funny. i told her to she needed to watch the documentary The Fall of the Republic. she asked why and i told her that in order for her to understand what happened to her money, she needed to know where it came from and hence, why it left her. she became insulted and hung up on me. several hours later she did call back. apologized, and asked if i could give her more information.

sometimes, i feel as though i am not making any headway. and then sometimes i feel as though i have conquered the enemy on my own. but i believe that we all must just keep pushing the envelope. make people hear us. sometimes it pays off. and let's face it, some people are just comatose.
warmest regards, corson

My hubby and self are in the same boat too. We've pretty much got ourselves into a total isolation lifestyle - right in the middle of suburbia, haha. But luckily we have each other.

However, very interestingly are the number of teens (friends of our own teen) who are hip to the whole thing. Their parents aren't but the kids want to know every site to visit and our take on events etc. So maybe there's hope yet.

[Alie]

Hello aranuk and modwiz

Aranuk - where do I start, your situation is so akin to mine we could be twins! I have exactly the same situation with my darling wife; my friends and children - my daughter actually made me a tin-hat last yea, when I asked what it was for she said: "so that 'they' can't read your brainwaves", and went off into the next room laughing ... as modwiz has correctly pointed out, with only four people viewing this thread - how can we wake people up? It is a continuing matter of some distress to me that throughout my continuing attempts to enlighten my angel of a wife, she just gives me a knowing look and continues to watch her rubbish TV programmes ...

As soon as something like the mass arrests of TPTW become public knowledge - which I am sure will be very soon - perhaps even sceptic's will start to open their eyes and ears and finally ease out of their slumber.

P.S. Many thanks also go to Mozart for an excellent presentation of the current situation.

Love to all. JP

We are the alphas ... very unique ... very alone ... when called upon, will be those who are followed. I will never say "I told you so" because it doesn't matter. I have to be my own entertainment, education and fellowship. The thick skin I've had to "grow" is so my deep feelings don't get hurt.

[Calz]

Bravo to Mozart :thumb:

Most excellent work. Very good to have started a thread around these topics and seperate them from the mudslinging that has accompanied Wilcock, Fulford and now to a lesser extend Drake with him boldly putting himself out there for our collective benefit.

Illoonynaughties :haha: ... priceless


Thanks to all others for contributing as well :clap2:

[Mozart]

I'm glad that the issue(s) of apathy and complacency have been brought up.

The causes / sources of such behaviors are many, the solutions are few and challenging. It's the "get off the couch" syndrome that Drake referred to.

Part of the problem is human nature.

It's part of our nature to continue certain behaviors and/or modes of thought once they begin, no matter how destructive that they can be to us and to those around us, if we find that such behaviors derive more personal benefits than costs.

That's one aspect amongst several aspects of human nature that predisposes us towards complacency.

Another is our environment

So many of us are conditioned by our environment and that's where the Illoonynaughties have excelled in their domination of our environment from the get-go, from the earliest school ages all the way to the adult ages with their sheer dominance of the education, media, government spheres of influence in their effort to create a compliant, non-thinking and apathetic citizenry who'd be no better than a goddamn flock of sheep.

A huge part of the social conditioning in the social environment that surrounds us is to create an "us vs. them" mentality -- a Hegelian dialectic -- within our lives, our perceptions of the world.

The "them" are always perceived/projected as being more talented, more skilled, more learned, more educated, more knowledgeable -- more EVERYTHING -- than us, the damn sheep, who think that they don't know diddily-squat.

So "let the experts decide for you" -- the doctors, Attorneys, the eff'n politicians, the models, the athletes, etc, etc -- and determine what you ought to do, to live, to eat, etc, etc.

Part of it is the soul-level energies

Now, in the Ra Material...

http://www.lawofone.info/

...Ra makes it very clear that the majority of the current human population has a very strong orange-ray overlay over their current yellow-ray-bodies in their human incarnations.

The "yellow-ray" body is the body of a sentient, 3-density being, such as a human being, a cetacean, etc.

The "orange-ray" body is the body of a 2nd-density being, beit a cell, a protozoa, a plant, and animal, an insect, etc.

The predominant energy of the 2nd-density beings is to follow leaders in their packs/groups -- wolves follow the leader, elephants follow their leader, cows have a leader to follow, etc -- hence when there is a strong 2nd-density overlay into the bulk of a 3rd-density population, like with the bulk of the humans on Earth today, then there would be a strong tendency of humans to follow leaders, no matter how damaging and stupid the damn leaders would be.

I find that this factor pointed out by the Ra Material to be the BIGGEST factor in the creation / support of a massively-apathetic and pathetic population.

What we need now is an Alexandrian sword to slice through this stupid Gordian Knot in which we find our selves...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot

...and that Alexandrian sword could be the mass arrests that are being planned by many within the US military, or if that fails to materialize, then the ETs will need to step up and start putting those damn submarine lawn darts all over the place, to move the damn Eiffel Tower to place it over the White House, etc, etc.

SOMETHING BIG has to happen to shake our population -- especially the dumbed-down American population -- out of the massive and deep rut of complacency into which we have sunk ourselves. It has to be huge.

The mass arrests with a massive change in the programming of the TV and the putting the truth out there with the huge bunch of already-done DVDs may be big enough to be the Alexandrian sword. Or the ETs and their "lawn darts".

But anything else, especially with the eff'n elites still in control of the media, etc, won't eff'n do.

And I'm tired of waiting for the Alexandrian sword to fall. Not that I'm sitting on the couch waiting, but, sheesh, I'm tired of waiting just the same.

[xbusymom]

Hello everyone, In case this is helpful to others. I wrote up a very non-threatening letter, giving just enough information, and letting people know to prepare and there is nothing to be afraid of. Whether they believe it or not or even care to listen to the interview. I plead with them to just get enough food and other necessities for a month and if nothing happens they have nothing to lose. I am no longer concerned with convincing anyone to see all of this. It took me years to digest it all. But lovingly telling people to prepare without going into too much detail is the approach I am taking with neighbors and others that won't be able to digest this. I remember one patriot a few years ago said on a radio show, don't throw up over people. Remember how long it has taken you. And most people are on information overload anyway.

On the other hand, those who ask, or email you back, then you can share a little more. So far it is working well. Fear is an interesting as is concerned about being rejected or losing credibility. I have friend who I have shared with for years, who so far won't share with his friends because he feels he has already lost credibility and doesn't want to lose more. And I have a cousin who because she had listened to Thrive had some understanding and is ready to rock n' roll and tell others. We just don't know. I have thrown all caution to wind and since I am coming from love and trying to convince them of anything, it seems to have come through in my communiiations, unlike before

I have a website www.thetruthpuzzle.net that I can put this on... and any links to anyone willing to receive emails, talk with people, other info sites, etc...

PM me and we can get started (I have the whole of next week off work- so I will have lots of time)

[Alie]

I have a website www.thetruthpuzzle.net that I can put this on... and any links to anyone willing to receive emails, talk with people, other info sites, etc...

PM me and we can get started (I have the whole of next week off work- so I will have lots of time)

Thanks for your link. You are to be admired ... and NOT that you wish to, but I wanted to say that.

[xbusymom]

I have a website www.thetruthpuzzle.net that I can put this on... and any links to anyone willing to receive emails, talk with people, other info sites, etc...

PM me and we can get started (I have the whole of next week off work- so I will have lots of time)

Thanks for your link. You are to be admired ... and NOT that you wish to, but I wanted to say that.

I just (still) understand how the sheeple thinks... many are apt to believe a website (any website) over an email from a friend... etc. Sad to say it but thats what the brainwashing does... the internet is an "authority" don'cha know - just like wikipedia (and don't get me started on my wiki-soapbox; it wouldn't be pretty)!!!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

The Drake interview transcript is up.

http://divinecosmos.com/

[xbusymom]

here is the email - (@yvonne- I took the gist of the message and tailored it to be briefer and more calm/less conspiracy nut case begging people to read it...)
==================
Just FYI...

I know that you – just like me - are really tired of paying out of the nose for loosing freedoms and personal liberties in the name of
'terrorist safety procedures”. Everything has a TERRORIST scare factor in it nowadays; - like the flyer being circulated by the FBI claiming that if you pay cash for your coffee, you MIGHT be a terrorist... Silly- I know- its another witch hunt- ... but what can you do? Are we really going to start being that paranoid about our neighbors? I, like you, had hopes that SOMEBODY would have a viable and realistic plan to put a halt to this runaway crime spree by the “Corporate Banksters” and the “Gestapo” Government. (**No one really knows what to do about it... UNTIL NOW...!!**)

I decided to find out what was going on when I heard there were quadruple the Bank CEO resignations in one month than in the last 5 years (including the supposed economy crash of 2008).


I was able to make a graph using MS Word, but I was not able to transfer the image into this post.

Anyway, corporate burnout has always happened in the corporate world, so people leaving corporations has always happened at the rate of about 2,000 resignations per quarter, per the EDGAR stats in the SEC, which requires corporations to file paperwork for every single resignation of CEOs and CFOs in corporations.

So, in lieu of an inserted graph, I'm going to have to make-do.

The average CEO/CFO resignations has been 2,000 per quarter for many years, ok?

Each "X" represents 400 resignations, ok?

1st Quarter 2011
XXXXX (2,000

2nd Quarter, 2011
XXXXX (2,000)

3rd Quarter, 2011
XXXXXXXXXX (4,000)

4th Quarter, 2011
XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX (7,000)

1st Quarter, 2012
XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX (16,000)


So, this is a MASSIVE jump in the corporate resignations. Did corporate burnout suddenly jump FOUR-FOLD in just a few months?

No.

This ad-hoc chart shows that there is something ELSE going on.

I don't normally get this involved in politics or big business and I absolutely hate fear-mongering, but I knew something was happening, so I started looking up stuff on the internet and even listening in on some of the conspiracy theory interviews just to see if someone knew something that was not being reported in the regular News channels.

And I came across this interview with a guy called Drake. He knew about a plan for mass arrests at the top levels of the Elite Echelon and A REAL WAY to re-put the Government power back into the hands of WE THE PEOPLE (without a blood-bath revolution) that has been in the works for about 20 years now and that several states have already legally re-gained sovereign status.

He started to piece together the real historical facts and documents that span over the last 150 years or more,

www.thetruthpuzzle.net/lawsystems.html

and then mentioned that several high-ranking officers in the military already agreed with the plan and had assurances that 80-90% of the soldiers felt the same way (and have promised to not comply with martial law – even if it was ordered).

Well, you just have to hear this for yourself...

http://freedomreigns.us/ALERTS.html


Listen to the recording; and if you want to find out more... go here;
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/about/
http://freedomreigns.us/County_Project.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IzGEJvxOO0&feature=player_embedded#!


And remember- as peaceful as the plan is for the switchup, the bad guys have been in power for a lot longer than you think and won't go down without a fight. So just in case the **** hits the fan- it would not be a bad idea to be prepared and have anywhere from 1 week to 1 month of food, medications, and fresh drinking water stocked up.

[Eram]

Hi Mozart,

Thank you very much for explaining so much about the laws etc.

I must admit that I find it pretty technical and I tend to get confused over it a little.
Would it be possible to explain in simple words why it is, that the actions of claiming Sovereignty by the 13 colonies in the Hague, made the operations of mass arrests in other parts of the world, such as Europe, legit?

thnx!

ps: I want to be able to explain all of this to my friends who've done university studies and are not easy to be impressed with stories I can't fully explain to them ;)

[thunder24]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42354-My-Overview-Or-My-Conclusion

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43139-Notice-To-The-Government-And-Representatives

[Eram]

Hi Mozart,

Thank you very much for explaining so much about the laws etc.

I must admit that I find it pretty technical and I tend to get confused over it a little.
Would it be possible to explain in simple words why it is, that the actions of claiming Sovereignty by the 13 colonies in the Hague, made the operations of mass arrests in other parts of the world, such as Europe, legit?

thnx!

ps: I want to be able to explain all of this to my friends who've done university studies and are not easy to be impressed with stories I can't fully explain to them ;)

After hearing the audio tape again, I'm not sure that Drake was talking about arrests being made in Europe, but in the beginning of the 2th hour he talks about thousands of resignations in a short period in Europe and after that he talks about 200 arrests being made. Maybe he meant the arrests where being made in the USA. I don't know.
But in essence my question stays the same: How comes that making the claim of sovereignty in The Hague, that the protection for the secret elites is being evaporated (as Drake says)?
Also for arrests being made in the USA.
Can someone please explain this to me in simple language?

[Calz]

I just (still) understand how the sheeple thinks... many are apt to believe a website (any website) over an email from a friend... etc. Sad to say it but thats what the brainwashing does... the internet is an "authority" don'cha know - just like wikipedia (and don't get me started on my wiki-soapbox; it wouldn't be pretty)!!!

... and many more won't believe anything from the net or emails until/unless they see it on mainstream tv (most unfortunately).

Those are the cards we are dealt.

I would think it better to give everyone the chance to become *aware* of such possibilities *prior* to seeing it on the tv (when/if it all happens as Drake describes). It would still be a shock to them but maybe instead of grabbing a rifle perhaps they will seek you out for more information instead?

[SEAM]

I'll see you one Prophet... and raise you one Shaman:

"gotta chase dem crazy baldheads out of town"... "But they can't run away from themselves".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnxZEcjlly0&feature=related

[SEAM]

Bankers (Bunk heads): They runnin and they runnin, and they runnin away...

[xbusymom]

I just (still) understand how the sheeple thinks... many are apt to believe a website (any website) over an email from a friend... etc. Sad to say it but thats what the brainwashing does... the internet is an "authority" don'cha know - just like wikipedia (and don't get me started on my wiki-soapbox; it wouldn't be pretty)!!!

... and many more won't believe anything from the net or emails until/unless they see it on mainstream tv (most unfortunately).

Those are the cards we are dealt.

I would think it better to give everyone the chance to become *aware* of such possibilities *prior* to seeing it on the tv (when/if it all happens as Drake describes). It would still be a shock to them but maybe instead of grabbing a rifle perhaps they will seek you out for more information instead?

so true... but maybe we SHALL BEGIN to see more of these...??

8eFDvlNsljw

[aranuk]

My hubby and self are in the same boat too. We've pretty much got ourselves into a total isolation lifestyle - right in the middle of suburbia, haha. But luckily we have each other.

However, very interestingly are the number of teens (friends of our own teen) who are hip to the whole thing. Their parents aren't but the kids want to know every site to visit and our take on events etc. So maybe there's hope yet.

Hi Twincams, I agree the young ones are much more interested in what we are. My grandson aged 22 and his pal aged 25 are always nosey asking me for good websites etc. They like illuminati talk, ET talk, UFO,s. My son/grandson Josh has been "diagnosed" bi-polar and his pal who I mentioned has been "diagnosed" schitzophrenic have enough of a hard time on anti-psychotic drugs without confusing them more. So I play it all down and tell them to sort their heads out first. I have heard them talking together and they get way off the target into cuckoo land with it. I have had to interrupt them on a few occasions as their conclusions become unhealthy, and I have to adjust their thinking a wee bit to keep them on a steadier road.

Stan

[YvonneG]

Wonder if he knows what is going on? I meant Judge Napolitano

[Maia Gabrial]

I listened to the interview with Drake and Wilcock and thought it was pretty interesting. But when Drake talked about the way the military was going to do a smooth transition from kicking the cabal out and bringing back the common law, I got a premonistion or something about it. We have to remember that these are very deceptive times. Yes, there are good guys in the military, but unfortuantely are there enough of them to pull the "plan" off successfully? I can't shake the feeling that the military is going to try a coup without firing a shot. Just by using our trust of them against us....It'll be something they can brag about for a long time....
Look at how Prez BO and the rest of the traitors in Congress have sh*t on the Constitution. They dared it. Who stopped them? They're going to dare more.
Sorry, if I sound so skeptical.....

[Mozart]

http://soundofheart.org/galacticfreepress/content/portal-2012-liberation-planet-earth-cobra


Phase 1: The Event (3-7 days)

Mass arrests of the Illuminati

‑Military sweep

-1 day viral and mass media info distribution

-1 day arrests

-Up to 3 days shutdown

-5 to 6 days conviction process


Phase 2: Restructuring (3-6 months)

New financial system backed by precious metals and commodities introduced

-Federal Reserve dismantled, US Treasury prints gold backed money

-Basket of currencies (6 or more) base of world financial system

-Worldwide debt forgiveness

-Bank debts cancelled (credit cards, loans, mortgages)

-Banks must be re-licensed, no interest (usury)

-Multinational companies split and nationalized

... etc, etc ...


This site has a very nice, concise list of what is about to happen.

[songsfortheotherkind]

[/COLOR]There are three systems of law.

1) Ecclesiastical

2) Common Law / Constitutional Law

3) Maritime / Admiralty "law"



Where does Equity law sit within this framework? Any of the equity, including private inherent equity.

Also, under contract law, the Magna Carta is void- no contract signed under duress or threat is to be considered valid. King John signed the Magna Carta under the threat of death- ergo, no contract.

[PathWalker]

Take care of your conscious sovereignty and the rest will come along.
The US sold its liberty to greed and fame.
Now the US has to work it way back.

It all starts with personal choices. Start by declaring your own personal liberty.

[xbusymom]

Take care of your conscious sovereignty and the rest will come along.
The US sold its liberty to greed and fame.
Now the US has to work it way back.

It all starts with personal choices. Start by declaring your own personal liberty.

Yes, and one of the choices you have to make is whether to fight with little pieces of paper - or not;

[PathWalker]

Take care of your conscious sovereignty and the rest will come along.
The US sold its liberty to greed and fame.
Now the US has to work it way back.

It all starts with personal choices. Start by declaring your own personal liberty.

Yes, and one of the choices you have to make is whether to fight with little pieces of paper - or not;

It is not possible to break a system from within, it is built on power+control. Only external system can replace it.
I find it useless to try fight it with its own changing rules. The controllers will change the rules if they do not like them.

[Mozart]

[/COLOR]There are three systems of law.

1) Ecclesiastical

2) Common Law / Constitutional Law

3) Maritime / Admiralty "law"



Where does Equity law sit within this framework? Any of the equity, including private inherent equity.



Songsfortheotherkind ~

I'm glad that you asked this question, as I was hoping that it would pop up.

This article ...

http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html

... will answer your question.

~Mozart

[Mozart]

Avalon ~

May I suggest that you do a little bit of a research experiment for yourselves?

Google this:

" US civil flag "

And click on the images of those flags that come up.

Then read this article:

http://www.uscivilflags.org/articles-history.html


Then google this:

" Flag British East India Tea Company image "


Then do the "math".

[xbusymom]

Take care of your conscious sovereignty and the rest will come along.
The US sold its liberty to greed and fame.
Now the US has to work it way back.

It all starts with personal choices. Start by declaring your own personal liberty.

Yes, and one of the choices you have to make is whether to fight with little pieces of paper - or not;

It is not possible to break a system from within, it is built on power+control. Only external system can replace it.
I find it useless to try fight it with its own changing rules. The controllers will change the rules if the do not like them.

yes. that is exactly my point... stop playing their game - by their rules - with their pieces of paper.

changing the legal status of the nation-states by each state reclaiming sovereign status (and/or personal sovereign status) is still playing their game.

why does it matter so much that people find out which law system we are in today, how we got here, etc- that is simply buying into their game (still).

[Mozart]

changing the legal status of the nation-states by each state reclaiming sovereign status (and/or personal sovereign status) is still playing their game.



In a sense it's "playing their game" when we use the international system to reclaim the status of our sovereignty of each of our states; however, what the paperwork does is that it removes the ability of the cabal to use their private armies to apply FORCE to enforce their domination over us, the Americans.

It all comes down to FORCE, so now that the cabal really cannot make a move of FORCE against the Americans, lest the blow their cover, the karmic blow-back of FORCE of the US military, acting upon the will of the soon-to-be-real People (as you know, the vast majority of people have been converted into mere "persons" that are legal-fiction entities via contracts), is about to blow up in the faces of the damn cabal, thus ending their reign of terror over not only Americans, but the world as well.

You hear that, cabal? We Americans are EFF'N fed up with your bull****! And we WILL APPLY OUR FORCE UPON YOU -- GUNS, KNIVES, ETC -- with the actions of our Oath-keeping members of OUR military, along with the help of many, including militia.

[PathWalker]

[QUOTE=xbusymom;463581]

It all comes down to FORCE, so now that the cabal really cannot make a move of FORCE against the Americans, lest the blow their cover, the karmic blow-back of FORCE of the US military, acting upon the will of the soon-to-be-real People (as you know, the vast majority of people have been converted into mere "persons" that are legal-fiction entities via contracts), is about to blow up in the faces of the damn cabal, thus ending their reign of terror over not only Americans, but the world as well.


Beloved Mozart,

When one faction has the power, they do not need any excuses or "legal" explanation. This is needed in order to program/coerce their troops into battle.
Once they have more power they change the history and the rule.

Grow out of the legal system. It is created by TPTW to control and can never serve you.
Grow your spiritual powers they can never beat that.

[xbusymom]

It all comes down to FORCE, so now that the cabal really cannot make a move of FORCE against the Americans, lest the blow their cover, the karmic blow-back of FORCE of the US military, acting upon the will of the soon-to-be-real People (as you know, the vast majority of people have been converted into mere "persons" that are legal-fiction entities via contracts), is about to blow up in the faces of the damn cabal, thus ending their reign of terror over not only Americans, but the world as well.


Beloved Mozart,

When one faction has the power, they do not need any excuses or "legal" explanation. This is needed in order to program/coerce their troops into battle.
Once they have more power they change the history and the rule.

Grow out of the legal system. It is created by TPTW to control and can never serve you.
Grow your spiritual powers they can never beat that.

exactly... once you realize who you really are (a spirit born out of thought-energy that is simply inhabiting a physical body) then you realize you can send forth powerful energized thoughts to tip the balance into positive status... they will trip themselves up and never know what hit 'em.

[gripreaper]

what the paperwork does is that it removes the ability of the cabal to use their private armies to apply FORCE to enforce their domination over us, the Americans.

Tell that to Leroy Schweitzer, who just died in prison (Montana Freemen) or Koresh and the 82 men, women and children who were burned to death at Waco, or Randy Weaver and his wife, who was gunned down shot in the head on her front porch with her infant in her arms, Or Jerry and Joe Kane, or Bill Williams, or Billy Faust..or, or... Need I continue? These are just a few examples of the direct effects of the Sovereign movement, not to mention all of the whistleblowers too numerous to mention. OR, Talk to Irwin Schiff, or the many others who are in prison too numerous to mention.

Drake and Wilcock do not understand the freedom movement or have studied and back engineered it enough to know it's history and what has worked and what has not. Talk to anyone who was in the "Restore America Plan" or is in the current "Republic of the United States" Tim Turner movement. Did you know Tim Turner was in FEMA? Any of you do the TT Freedom Documents back in the 90's? Any of you do the bonded promissory notes, or the 1099OID processes, or the other processes to reclaim your sovereignty and access your Treasury Direct account, or your birth trust?

There is a huge following and huge study, as large or larger than most of the attempts currently being talked about by Drake or Wilcock, that are way further ahead the curve and can steer you away from the many pitfalls. Remember, information gathering of the miscreants and dissidents is also part of their agenda. If you're already on the A list, then I suppose you have crossed the threshold of passion, are self determined and self sufficient, are not afraid and need not concern yourself.

Those who are reaping the benefits and privileges of being a 14th amendment citizen need to think twice before extricating themselves. Those who wish to make money and operate in commerce also need to consider what it's like to stand outside the system as a self determined and self responsible American National, since you cannot buy and sell.

Those who are known "Patriots for profit" have been selling snake oil for decades and drawn in a lot of people. It's just not as easy as filing paperwork, especially to the Hague. the Cestui Que Vie trust goes back to 1666 and was established by the elite Romans, and they won everything, with the City of London and the Federal Reserve as their agents. The rabbit hole goes much deeper than the Hague and the tyranny is imbedded in our very DNA. Going back to Common law is not the answer.

use discernment.

[songsfortheotherkind]

what the paperwork does is that it removes the ability of the cabal to use their private armies to apply FORCE to enforce their domination over us, the Americans.

Tell that to Leroy Schweitzer, who just died in prison (Montana Freemen) or Koresh and the 82 men, women and children who were burned to death at Waco, or Randy Weaver and his wife, who was gunned down shot in the head on her front porch with her infant in her arms, Or Jerry and Joe Kane, or Bill Williams, or Billy Faust..or, or... Need I continue? These are just a few examples of the direct effects of the Sovereign movement, not to mention all of the whistleblowers too numerous to mention. OR, Talk to Irwin Schiff, or the many others who are in prison too numerous to mention.

Drake and Wilcock do not understand the freedom movement or have studied and back engineered it enough to know it's history and what has worked and what has not. Talk to anyone who was in the "Restore America Plan" or is in the current "Republic of the United States" Tim Turner movement. Did you know Tim Turner was in FEMA? Any of you do the TT Freedom Documents back in the 90's? Any of you do the bonded promissory notes, or the 1099OID processes, or the other processes to reclaim your sovereignty and access your Treasury Direct account, or your birth trust?

There is a huge following and huge study, as large or larger than most of the attempts currently being talked about by Drake or Wilcock, that are way further ahead the curve and can steer you away from the many pitfalls. Remember, information gathering of the miscreants and dissidents is also part of their agenda. If you're already on the A list, then I suppose you have crossed the threshold of passion, are self determined and self sufficient, are not afraid and need not concern yourself.

Those who are reaping the benefits and privileges of being a 14th amendment citizen need to think twice before extricating themselves. Those who wish to make money and operate in commerce also need to consider what it's like to stand outside the system as a self determined and self responsible American National, since you cannot buy and sell.

Those who are known "Patriots for profit" have been selling snake oil for decades and drawn in a lot of people. It's just not as easy as filing paperwork, especially to the Hague. the Cestui Que Vie trust goes back to 1666 and was established by the elite Romans, and they won everything, with the City of London and the Federal Reserve as their agents. The rabbit hole goes much deeper than the Hague and the tyranny is imbedded in our very DNA. Going back to Common law is not the answer.

use discernment.


Utterly agree with this, coming from someone who is hacking her way out of that rabbit hole. A lot of the sanitised work that my Self and my colleague here in Oz have released into the world is coming back to us from various channels with 'this stuff is awesome, check it out!'. It makes us laugh and it's good to know that there are those out there getting smarter.

I have found this to absolutely be a spiritual process and that without a solid grasp of one's sui generis- unique, one of a kind Being- then it can go splat no matter what the path one takes. I'm doing that now and it's working much, much differently. Good post.

[Alie]

what the paperwork does is that it removes the ability of the cabal to use their private armies to apply FORCE to enforce their domination over us, the Americans.

Tell that to Leroy Schweitzer, who just died in prison (Montana Freemen) or Koresh and the 82 men, women and children who were burned to death at Waco, or Randy Weaver and his wife, who was gunned down shot in the head on her front porch with her infant in her arms, Or Jerry and Joe Kane, or Bill Williams, or Billy Faust..or, or... Need I continue? These are just a few examples of the direct effects of the Sovereign movement, not to mention all of the whistleblowers too numerous to mention. OR, Talk to Irwin Schiff, or the many others who are in prison too numerous to mention.

Drake and Wilcock do not understand the freedom movement or have studied and back engineered it enough to know it's history and what has worked and what has not. Talk to anyone who was in the "Restore America Plan" or is in the current "Republic of the United States" Tim Turner movement. Did you know Tim Turner was in FEMA? Any of you do the TT Freedom Documents back in the 90's? Any of you do the bonded promissory notes, or the 1099OID processes, or the other processes to reclaim your sovereignty and access your Treasury Direct account, or your birth trust?

There is a huge following and huge study, as large or larger than most of the attempts currently being talked about by Drake or Wilcock, that are way further ahead the curve and can steer you away from the many pitfalls. Remember, information gathering of the miscreants and dissidents is also part of their agenda. If you're already on the A list, then I suppose you have crossed the threshold of passion, are self determined and self sufficient, and need not concern yourself.

Those who are reaping the benefits and privileges of being a 14th amendment citizen need to think twice before extricating themselves. Those who wish to make money and operate in commerce also need to consider what it's like to stand outside the system as a self determined and self responsible American National, since you cannot buy and sell.

Those who are known "Patriots for profit" have been selling snake oil for decades and drawn in a lot of people. It's just not as easy as filing paperwork, especially to the Hague. the Cestui Que Vie trust goes back to 1666 and was established by the elite Romans, and they won everything, with the City of London and the Federal Reserve as their agents. The rabbit hole goes much deeper than the Hague and the tyranny is imbedded in our very DNA.

use discernment.

One of the first comments Drake mentioned with Wilcock was to say "what/who we are not". He said they are definitely NOT associated with Ted Turner and group. From the transcript:



DK: There is one stipulation in this, and I want to make this absolutely clear. We do not have anything to do with R.A.P., RuSA, which is Tim Turner's group. His people...

DW: Restore America Program [R.A.P.] is what you're talking about, right?

DK: Uh ... yeah.

DW: Okay.

DK: If you go on the http://www.freedomreigns.us/ website, there are exposures for that group.

DW: Yeah. I was just going to say, the name 'Tim Turner' seems to be popping up in my mind because I think someone wrote an expose’ on him recently, didn't they?

DK: Yes. One of our principals has an extraordinary library of things that out the group as to what the people in charge were doing, or what they intend to do.

The ultimate goal was to literally arbitrarily create their own government -- and put it in place.

Tim Turner has declared himself as a, quote: “savior,” “god,”, or whatever.

All funds collected in the country were to go to him personally -- among other things.

And it gets worse from there. I'm not going to get into the details.

DW: Wouldn't this also serve the function of owning the opposition? Flushing out the people that really want to do something, and making them think that...

DK: I'm pretty sure that that's probably what the idea was.

DW: Okay.

DK: There're several of these types of operations. I call it the cabal.

[gripreaper]

One of the first comments Drake mentioned with Wilcock was to say "what/who we are not". He said they are definitely NOT associated with Ted Turner and group. From the transcript:

i did not say Drake was affiliated with Tim Turner. I used Turner as an example of the movement where he was all the rage back in the 90's. I could bore you with all of the current hot processes currently, such as Fred and Nina's EFT process, but there are too many to list.

I'm not against a complete paradigm shift out of the tyrannical matrix at all, but I'm just cautioning those who want to go down the "paperwork" route as if filing into an existing system will change anything, has it's pitfalls and has already been tried. Look at Santos Bonacci's "Denique" and tell me why his partner was just arrested?

I think that the paradigm shift is spiritual in nature and not paperwork filing. Atlantis fell because we embraced technology and spurned our internal spiritual nature. Atlantis ended via nuclear holocaust. Do we want to go down the same road again?

[songsfortheotherkind]

One of the first comments Drake mentioned with Wilcock was to say "what/who we are not". He said they are definitely NOT associated with Ted Turner and group. From the transcript:

i did not say Drake was affiliated with Tim Turner. I used Turner as an example of the movement where he was all the rage back in the 90's. I could bore you with all of the current hot processes currently, such as Fred and Nina's EFT process, but there are too many to list.

I'm not against a complete paradigm shift out of the tyrannical matrix at all, but I'm just cautioning those who want to go down the "paperwork" route as if filing into an existing system will change anything, has it's pitfalls and has already been tried. Look at Santos Bonacci's "Denique" and tell me why his partner was just arrested?

I think that the paradigm shift is spiritual in nature and not paperwork filing. Atlantis fell because we embraced technology and spurned our internal spiritual nature. Atlantis ended via nuclear holocaust. Do we want to go down the same road again?

Awesome, you mentioned Fred and Nina and the spiritual nature vs the paperwork. *bounces* you're definitely speaking my language, so cool to find that here!

[YvonneG]

If my mother were still alive and someone wanted to kill her, and I had a gun (which I don't) I would shoot and defend her before allowing them to take her life. I have spent most of my life (63 yr old now) in many spiritual paths. We have tried as a people a zillion years of peaceful prayers and meditation and other means and look where we are. I believe it is very spiritual to protect the life of innocent people and I don't believe Mozart is saying lets just go out and kill people.

If you listen to Drake, you will see that any and all who have harmed others etc. will have "due process". HOWEVER, IF THSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME AGAINST THOSE WHO ARE IMPLEMENTING THESE ARREST OR OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE, IS A HIGHLY SPIRITUAL TO DEFEND OURSELVES AND THE INNOCENT. THE EARTH DOES NOT FOOL AROUND, SHE IS NOT NON-VIOLENT ALL THE TIME. THERE ARE LAWS OF NATURE THAT IS GOOD PEOPLE TO CONSIDER.

I am quite a non-violent person and for much of my life have been stepped on, and when that changed my life has changed. I would you all to get the facts clear. Mozart is a little angry and it is about time people get angry and stop the complacacy. I had a friend who abused the heck out me financially and otherwise, but non-violent Yvonne couldn't defend herself, and 5 years later and 30,000 dollars while I did no harm to her, I hurt myself and my own mother. And then it took me a year in therapy before I could get angry.

[Mozart]

Tell that to Leroy Schweitzer, who just died in prison (Montana Freemen) or Koresh and the 82 men, women and children who were burned to death at Waco, or Randy Weaver and his wife, who was gunned down shot in the head on her front porch with her infant in her arms, Or Jerry and Joe Kane, or Bill Williams, or Billy Faust..or, or... Need I continue?


Grimreaper ~

I'm glad that you didn't leave this forum.

And I've been in the sovereignty movement for many years and have suffered the deaths and losses of those whom you mentioned acutely, as well as those many, many others who have suffered the heavy hands of the goddamn state, as well as those who are currently in prison as political prisoners. I personally know several who have been imprisoned as political prisoners.

I started to go down a certain sovereignty path that I guarantee that would have resulted in having me in prison right now as you read these words, so I very reluctantly decided to not go down that path and to do a different path of resistance to the bastards without getting me imprisoned. But my buddy, who went down the path that I did not take, is in prison right now serving a 27-year sentence.

So I totally understand your point.

But what I'm saying about the value of the paperwork that it removes their -- those who own/control the USA, Inc, the eff'n corporate, defacto "government" -- cause and standing in terms of international law to apply FORCE to those of us who will soon take back OUR de jure government BY FORCE.

FORCE is the only eff'n thing that these color-of-law bastards understand.

It's the prime tool that they used against us when paperwork failed in any sense, like what happened recently with the standoff of the brave Irish men using Common Law to hold off the damn sheriff, only to later suffer the FORCE of the sheriffs returning and blasting into their home and forcibly removing the lawful inhabitants.

So it's the whole, damn system that has to change and no amount of paperwork will change that. FORCE AND ONLY FORCE will and that is what will soon happen when our good guys in the military finally bust a move.

Once the whole system changes and the color-of-law parasites are FORCIBLY removed, then we can start to defend ourselves via the Common Law as well as the Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully amended (keeping the Original Thirteenth Amendment) and voiding EVERYTHING that the de facto government did/enacted after that.

In order for Common Law to work, it has to work everywhere in a country. Selective use of it won't work.

[Selene]

Your point about force, Mozart, as a sine qua non here is regrettably accurate. I wish it were otherwise, but history shows that even relatively bloodless so-called "velvet" or "silent" revolutions - where dictators summarily decamped as masses of citizens surrounded their palaces - did not happen until the military had clearly sided with the public. Power is still power; when it comes down to it - he who rules the military, rules.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Your point about force, Mozart, as a sine qua non here is regrettably accurate. I wish it were otherwise, but history shows that even relatively bloodless so-called "velvet" or "silent" revolutions - where dictators summarily decamped as masses of citizens surrounded their palaces - did not happen until the military had clearly sided with the public. Power is still power; when it comes down to it - he who rules the military, rules.

Wish it were different.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." "Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224. Chairman Mao

[Snowbird]

Thanks Mozart for all of your time and effort that you have put into this information. This poster really appreciates it.

I know very little about this issue that we are now faced with. What is your opinion of Unified Serenity's thread, linked below, where this is discussed and argued? Especially the post #5 from sdv.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43522-Sovereignty-An-analysis-of-the-Wilcock-interview-with-Drake

[PathWalker]

Beloved Mozart, I wish to iterate my previous post.

1. When one faction has the power, they do not need any excuses or "legal" explanation. This is needed in order to program/coerce their troops into battle.
Once they have more power they change the history and the rules.
2. We had enough of "New system" to replace "Old system" we have this game for 6000 years now. I hope we can find something better.
3. The rules (legal system) are made by the powerful to control the weak. There is no justice in it.
4. Justice is universal and span beyond human life time. Humans' perception of justice is very limited.

Grow out of the legal system. It is created by TPTW to control and can never serve you.
Grow your spiritual powers they can never beat that.

[Chester]

Hi Modwiz - I am the same as you... I would rather live alone and be a loner than indulge emotional based beings. I give everyone a shot to open their mind that most of us have been by and large conditioned/sold a pack of lies, etc..
I first offer plenty of information to folks like this via my own story and how I have spent 10 years deprogramming (and surely that personal project has more to go)... how I have spent extensive time researching, then forming new conclusions, then made predictions (or predict the next behaviors of the still mostly clueless conditioned minds of those I encounter). I often find that based on my new, self educated views I am able to predict next moves in the bigger picture... able to predict how individuals will react to just about everything. Still I find for the most part they continue to spiral downwards and fight off every effort I may make in suggesting alternate views backed by information (still) available in the still semi-free environment of the internet.

But I can only take so much. I just moved back to the US after spending the last 15 years mostly outside the US and I knew I would encounter this situation, but I am still shocked we could be so easily steered.

Do not take this to mean I feel I am some guru of free mindedness - I still am working on myself (suspect that's a forever journey), but wow man... the folks here in general are so so so sadly sleep walking, buying the movie given to them mostly via TV - the movies and other media, buying the "way it is" as presented by the few cozy ones who for the most part don't even realize their buy in is based on their fear in their inability to maintain their current comfort zone though this group has diminished in size dramatically since I left in the middle 90s...

Starting to rant and ramble - but dude... you aren't alone. Huge point you hit regarding the "emotionally reactive." I remember when that Barney and Friends kid show came on and how the child actors were so emotional, so over reactive, so over acting and I said to myself, this is what they want us to be - and I tried my best to keep my kids away from that crap and fortunately, especially after our NOT having a TV in the house for several years, my efforts paid off with my children who are pretty grounded.

Great example - the media loves exploitation of this Trayon Martin incident - I am not saying the Zimmerman guy should not be charged - I am simply pointing out how much time the media spends on that story and how the media clearly is directed to stir the fires when I am aware of the major stories involving our world that get zero mention in the mainstream media...

Anyways - you have a friend here, Modwiz (and Avalonians)
Sam

[xbusymom]

Starting to rant and ramble - but dude... you aren't alone. Huge point you hit regarding the "emotionally reactive." I remember when that Barney and Friends kid show came on and how the child actors were so emotional, so over reactive, so over acting and I said to myself, this is what they want us to be - and I tried my best to keep my kids away from that crap and fortunately, especially after our NOT having a TV in the house for several years, my efforts paid off with my children who are pretty grounded.



you are right... I got rid of my tv too, and my kids have done very well for it also... but the disturbing thing I see, is that THAT kind of overexageration of emotionality is just an overexageration of SPEECH, and (faked) emotion... I see a lot of the (DIEGO show) half-yelling; over the top encouragements in my career field of working with disabled people...
it just makes me sick... if anyone tells me GUUU_OOD JOB! one more time- I might attack them (LOL)

I can see the training, but no one else can- they all think they are giving LOTS of encouragements ..