Billy Meier and Ptaah (ET) talking about 2012....Contact 476 3/2/2009

[Cidersomerset]

Billy Meiers contacts are vast, they resonate with some and not others,
I keep an opened mind and as I have said in several posts if its a hoax,
its a bloody good one !!!! I think there is something to it personally...

Ptaah explaining to Billy a few possibilities for 2012 , but he is adament its not the end
of the world.

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Billy Meier lie detecter test on ufo photo's and encounters

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If Billy is not telling the truth , he should be put into the same league as Tolkien for
creating a whole new civilisation....LOL..

Pt.1 of 4..
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History of our Alien Ancestors on Earth...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7090167358447206356

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[mojo]

Hi Steve,
Thanks for posting.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Mojo I thought it worth putting up an alternate view from one of the most consistent contactees....




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[WhiteFeather]

IMO, Cider,,,,I truly believe Billy is authentic and telling the truth of his contacts and visitations as well, without any doubt in my mind. The Dis-info personnel haven't swayed me at all.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Whitefeather I'm with you brother !!

Billy Meier - GODS OF THE EARTH WERE HUMAN

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As far as I'm concerned if you have belief and want to believe in
a deity thats fine by me....

I like the concept we are all gods on a journey back to our power
and we are not very far away from regaining it !! But thats another
story .. Steve

[Cidersomerset]

India 1964:

The Foundational Evidence

that Establishes the Authenticity

of the

Billy Meier UFO Contacts



India 1964

In 1964, Billy Meier was interviewed by a S. Venkatesh, a reporter for the New Delhi Statesman, a prominent Indian newspaper in existence since 1818. At this time, Meier was studying in the Ashoka Ashram, in Mehrauli, a remote area approximately one and one-half hours outside of New Delhi. Meier, whose full name is Eduard Albert Meier, is referred to as "Mr. Edward Albert" in the article. He acquired the nickname, "Billy", by which he is now widely known from an American woman he also met in 1964, in Pakistan. She thought that he reminded her of the legendary Wild Bill Hickok.

The photo below shows Meier in Pakistan in 1964, one of 43 countries he hitchhiked through over a 12-year period, dressed in garb similar to American cowboys.


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The 1964 Newspaper Article


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The above information establishes that:

Meier was in India in 1964 and was interviewed in a well respected, credible publication.

The author of the article had personally seen 80 of Meier's UFO photographs.

At the time, Meier was a poor hitchhiker who had no money or other known resources.

As is also stated in the article, Meier didn't seek any publicity during this time and it wasn't until 11 years later, in 1975, that he first went public, at the request of the new group of extraterrestrials who had contacted him. He verifiably had neither the means nor opportunity to have hoaxed this foundational evidence. Nor can it be said that he had any discernable motive, as he eschewed public attention for well over a decade after having shown the 80 UFO photographs to the reporter.

And perhaps of the utmost importance is the fact that when Meier did go public it was primarily with the evidence from 1975 on. He didn't draw any attention - well deserved as it would have been - to this foundational evidence that effectively closes the door on all theories of hoaxing, seeking fame and fortune, etc. Considering how ironclad it is, one must wonder why Meier didn't capitalize on it from the very beginning...if his motives were such as the skeptics have long accused him.

Retired UN Ambassador

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Phobol Cheng, a now retired UN ambassador who represented Cambodia for 12 years in the General Assembly, not only corroborated Meier's story, and the information in the article, she showed some of Meier's UFO photos from that time (see below) and described details about them in her filmed presentation. She reported that, in addition to herself, numerous witnesses had not only seen the UFOs but had also seen an extraterrestrial woman known as Asket.

Phobol Cheng and Meier were both evaluated for truthfulness by an expert consultant to the U.S. Army Special Forces who specializes in teaching how to read - and evaluate - body language. He gave them both a thumbs up for honesty.

Unlike the majority of historical source material, the Meier evidence doesn't rely on strictly anecdotal information. It incorporates all of the most desired elements for establishing historical accuracy, i.e. dated, published, eyewitness accounts that are substantiated by clear, specific physical evidence referred to in the accounts, as well as verifiably credible, still living witnesses who were filmed corroborating the story and the evidence first presented in it decades ago.

It really doesn't get much better than that.

The India UFO Photographs

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Meier took a number of photos of Asket's, and her people's, UFOs over the Ashoka Ashram, using an old Kodak bellows type (folding) camera, which he later sold in Kurdistan:

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Eight UFOs over the Ashoka Ashram



The photo below shows eight UFOs over the Ashoka Ashram with Phobol Cheng's ayah (nursemaid) in the foreground looking at the ships. During her presentation, Phobol described this photo, "OK, this is a very interesting, and also important to me. This is a whole bunch of them around on top of the Ashoka. This is the background of the place. You cannot see very clearly of the reproduction here. But this is one of my ayahs washing my clothes sitting in the veranda outside of my room. She's washing here (pointing with laser pointer) my school uniform. On the original photos it's much more clear. So we shared these stories because we had interacted with her quite a bit -- the washing lady. For me it's very important, because when I had my experience it was not something.. -- for me it was very natural and have seen [to have seen?] a lot of ships over the temple or over the -- we have a large area -- over the trees, near the well, over the house.":



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UFO in Night Sky over Ashoka Ashram:




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The Most Amazing Photo



In his 1964 New Delhi Statesman article, Mr. Venkatesh referred to this startling photo below as showing "a big, bright cross". Meier had asked Asket to demonstrate something dramatic that her ship was capable of, which she clearly did using a technology unknown to Meier. (There is conjecture that the cross was a kind of holographic projection, perhaps similar to that which was used by another extraterrestrial race that created the Miracle at Fátima illusion.) Notice that directly behind Meier, who is sitting in the foreground in this daytime photo, is the same tower as the one in the lower corner of the nighttime photo above (130).



The cross was widely seen by other people in the area, including two women who worked with Meier at the ashram helping to take care of animals, Mrs. Fiske and Mrs. Crystal Rogers, both of whom were actually present with Meier at the time this photo was taken. Mrs. Fiske was an English governess who came to India to teach the children of a maharaja. She then came to the ashram to teach Phobol, but this was not for very long, because she tried to force Phobol to become an English "Lady".



Consider that Meier was in India to study Buddhism. Among the things that he came to learn was meditation and to study the teachings that included information on reincarnation. Just a year earlier, in 1963, he and Isa Rashid had co-discovered an ancient document in a long forgotten tomb in Jerusalem. So Asket may have used this opportunity to also include a hint pertaining to one of Meier's own previous incarnations, when he was also an important prophet for humankind who came to teach in India, after having survived being...crucified.:




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In Appreciation of Mr. Venkatesh

In Gary Kinder's book, "Light Years", (Part 4, page 47) we find the following information:

"Many years after the article appeared in the New Delhi Statesman, the reporter, S.Venkatesh responded to a letter inquiring about the mysterious Mr. Albert. He wrote: 'I distinctly remember meeting the man and he seemed, on recollection, very serious about what he was saying. I for one would be eager to know what he did later on, whether he encountered any more space men and ships and whether he disclosed anything to anyone later, as he promised he would.'"

In 1965, a year after his experiences in India, Meier lost his arm in an accident in Turkey. Some 10 years later, in 1975, he began to release to the world volumes of the clearest, most unambiguous photos, film, video, sound recordings and even metal samples of the UFOs, all of which were shown to be free of manipulation, models, special effects, etc. It must be emphasized that the sheer variety, quantity - and quality - of Meier's more recent physical evidence exceeded anything he presented when he had two hands to work with.

I think Mr. Venkatesh would have been very interested to know just how much "Mr. Edward Albert", aka Billy Meier, has indeed experienced and disclosed to the world, since their meeting in India, in 1964. And, while he is no longer amongst us to receive it, we offer our appreciation to him for providing such rare, historical evidence that at once establishes the truthfulness of Meier's claims and confronts us with the most important story in human history.

http://theyfly.com/India_1964.html

[Cidersomerset]

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[Cidersomerset]

Produced for TNN's American Magazine, this feature looks at the strange case of Billy Meier, a one-armed Swiss farmer.
He reportedly had contact with extraterrestrials on numerous occasions. Original airdate 6/1989

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Lee Elders comments at the end of part2
that he would not take a million dollars
for the experiance he had...But would not
take a million to do it all over !! Shows
what a profound experiance they had...

Billy subjected himselfe to scrutiny and
passed a lie detector test....

The debunking stuff is fine and all UFO researchers have
vids and critics of their work even our own Bill & Kerry
and sure some of the going ons at FIGU may not be to
everyones liking but just to 'trash' it after all the work
by Wendell and others seems a shame imo ......

[Cidersomerset]

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Wendelle Stevens talks on how they - as ufo-investigators on the case, were watched and fellowed by the CIA and the international intelligencia, while scrutinizing this ufo-contact in Switzerland in the 70ths. This while the same hidden powerpeople ridiculing this, and similar cases to the deceived society.

[Cidersomerset]

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I'm just putting various posts from other threads onto this one for better reference.......If anyone is wondering what i am doing !! LOL...

[Cidersomerset]

1 - Wendelle Stevens - The Talmud of Jmmanuel

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Talmud Jmmanuel is a ancient text in Aramaic that the Swiss UFO contactee Billy Meier, along with an ex-Greek Orthodox priest named Isa Rashid, claimed to have discovered south of the Old City of Jerusalem in 1963. According to Meier, Isa Rashid kept the manuscript and sent him the translation in 1974. The first edition in German came out in 1978. It is described by its promoters as the source text of the Gospel of Matthew.

The publishers, Steelmark LLC, claim the document was first translated from old Aramaic into German by Isa Rashid and edited by UFO contactee Billy Meier, then translated into English by B. L. Greene and J. H. Ziegler. The publishers also make the extraordinary claim that the document "could indicate an extraterrestrial origin for the New Testament."

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[Cidersomerset]

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[Cidersomerset]

This is a audio version of Billys contact notes presented by Randolph Winters who was a UFO
researcher in the 1990's and did some good presentations on Billy. Loads of information on
here for those interrested....


Part 1/8. Complete history of our universe, origins, solar system, how the monkey and yetti was created by genetic manipulations from human dna, how YHWH was a 3000 years old alien ruler manipulating Hebrews to all wars, about Venus dragged to our orbit, how we came from Lyra and Vega, lived on Mars and Melona and Earth, and Pleiadeans are our cousins, our humans had a life span of 1000 years, and we can turn back one DNA strand to live that long, that is why Rockefeller stole the human genome code ... A must see series for truth seekers.


Billy Meier ET Contacts, by Randy Winters ( replacing vids below )

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[Star Mariner]

It's all very interesting the Meier material, but there are some serious discrepancies and perceivable untruths in the reality/philosophies that this Semjase relates. It suggests to me, if they're real, that the Pleiadians are less spiritually developed than even our own collective understanding.

And then there's a few of those extremely iffy pictures. Such as the image of two ET women which turned out to be a snap taken of two actresses/dancers on TV. The (in)famous 'Wedding cake' photo, clearly fabricated. As were the quite ridiculous dinosaur photos (taken from a picture book).

I would like to hear from any Meier scholars on how these can be explained away...

I wouldn't be surprised to learn, in light of many very compelling Meier images, that he may well have experienced some kind of visitation, or at least sightings of ET craft. But like so many other 'contactees' before and since, he saw fit to embellish his account with fabricated evidence in an attempt to effectively 'prove' the unprovable. This invariably throws the entire affair into grave doubt.

[Cidersomerset]

And then there's a few of those extremely iffy pictures. Such as the image of two ET women which turned out to be a snap taken of two actresses/dancers on TV. The (in)famous 'Wedding cake' photo, clearly fabricated. As were the quite ridiculous dinosaur photos (taken from a picture book).

i agree the photos and models muddy the waters, but there were a lot odd things going on .Billy said there were no photos of real Plejarens as they walk
among us and forbade him taking them. It just seems to big a thing to be a complete hoax as he opened himselfe and his family to complete scrutiny
by many people and even took a lie detector test ...His life was very colourfull, and if it is a product of his immagination its a amazing story.
In which case he completely missed his vocation, and if instead he said his works were fiction, he could have made much more money writing film scripts for Hollywood.


I wouldn't be surprised to learn, in light of many very compelling Meier images, that he may well have experienced some kind of visitation, or at least sightings of ET craft. But like so many other 'contactees' before and since, he saw fit to embellish his account with fabricated evidence in an attempt to effectively 'prove' the unprovable. This invariably throws the entire affair into grave doubt

This is something I have pondered, the India UFO's look genuine, and there were also many other witnesses to some of his sightings. The speed he types
one handed and the volume of information he proccessed as well as working very hard on the small holding and keeping the intelligent people around
him interrested. For if he was making this all up they would have spotted it by now.I know his wife said he made it up but that was after they seperated
and she wanted out and not to be pestered . His younger son Methi also has issues with his
father and FIGU, but said as far as he knew Billys contacts with them were true...I posted
this interview he did....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46990-Billy-Meier-s-son-Methi....interviewed


Its certainly complex and it would be a lot easier if the Plejarens just made a proper U/Tube with undeniable footage ..LOL...But I still feel their is something to it ....


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[Cidersomerset]

I would like to hear from any Meier scholars on how these can be explained away...

Michael Horn debates Billy Meier's UFO encounters and predictions | Open Minds Radio

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Michael Horn is Billy Meier's official representative in America. Meier has been claimed to be in communications with extraterrestrial for decades,
and has one of the most famous UFO photo collections of pictures he has taken himself. We recently questioned some of the circumstances
surrounding the evidence in this case and Horn wants to rebut our Billy Meier show. We will debate our findings versus his and you can be
the judge as to whether or not you feel this famous and controversial case is legitimate.

[Cidersomerset]

I thought I post a relatively recent interview and found this .Michael is not everyones cup of tea.
but has worked very hard to put out the Meier material for 24 years


Reality UFO Series Vol 1 - The Billy Meier Case with Michael Horn Part 1/3

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Part 2: http://youtu.be/ZrDDptUds5s
Part 3: http://youtu.be/3V3SKdp_vY0

The Billy Meier Case with Michael Horn

Michael Horn has been researching the Billy Meier UFO Contacts for over 25 years and is now the authorized representative for the book on the Meier case, "And Yet They Fly". Though he has long been fascinated with the amazing photos, films, and other still irreproducible physical evidence, Michael's main focus since 1988 has been on Meier's prophetically accurate scientific and world event-related information, published from 1 to more than 25 years in advance of terrestrial discovery or occurrence. Because of the abundance and impeccable accuracy of Meier's material, and the failure of professional skeptics and debunkers to duplicate any of Meier's hard evidence, Michael has concluded that

[Cidersomerset]

Wendelle Stevens Team-Jim Dilettoso's Methodology & Testing of Billy Meier UFO Photos


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This is a extended version of the above presentation....with analysis
of the Phoenix lights phenomennon as well...

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These are very good films explaining some of the principles of film analysing,
definately worth adding to your knowledge on the subject imo ...Cheers Steve

[Star Mariner]

This is something I have pondered, the India UFO's look genuine, and there were also many other witnesses to some of his sightings. The speed he types
one handed and the volume of information he proccessed as well as working very hard on the small holding and keeping the intelligent people around
him interrested. For if he was making this all up they would have spotted it by now


Yeh Meier really has been the toughest 'contactee' nut to crack by far. There is so much here that is very hard to explain, ie that which is extremely convincing, and surely not one enormous, elaborate hoax; but there's also a lot there that is just oh my God, forehead-smacking fake. So how can we possibly determine what the actual reality is?

At the risk of derailing this thread with my own tangent I started another on this very question...

[ghostrider]

I'm on the bandwagon with this one. Billy IMO is telling the truth. We are decendants of the plejaren. they monitor earth, and two other planets. At sunset dec 21 2012 our sun and the central sun will line up and create an optical illusion in the sky , thats all. the ptb will use this to spread fear,and probably throw a false flag at us. If everyone would pick a contact note, read the prediction, google the actual event, you will read them all and over and over again it happened just as Pataah and the plejaren said it would.. You don't need disclosure when you have someone talking to a race of beings that live to be one-thousand years old and can move back and forth through time not to mention they have friends in other universes. we are going to destroy ourselves just like in the past, our thoughts and vibrations affect earth's climate. it is a living entity.