Time travel

[Swanny]

I've been thinking about time travel for many years and the way I see it is this.

In order to move either backwards or forwards in time everything must have already happened.
If you travel back in time you are from the future and are travelling into a past that has already happened,
if you travel forward in time you are from the past and you are travelling into a future that must have already happened.

This means everything past or present has already happened therefore it cannot be changed.

So time travel maybe possible but changing time is not..
This is my opinion can anyone see why it might be wrong??

The grandfather thing doesn't work :tongue1:

[Gita]

The multiuniverse theory makes this possible. What happens is that if you go back in time, then there’s already one of you in that time line and if you change anything then another timeline is created and therefore a new future.. And because of this the grandfather paradigm does not work. This is the simplest I could put it. :nerd::wacko2:

[K626]

I've been thinking about time travel for many years and the way I see it is this.

In order to move either backwards or forwards in time everything must have already happened.
If you travel back in time you are from the future and are travelling into a past that has already happened,
if you travel forward in time you are from the past and you are travelling into a future that must have already happened.

This means everything past or present has already happened therefore it cannot be changed.

So time travel maybe possible but changing time is not..
This is my opinion can anyone see why it might be wrong??

The grandfather thing doesn't work :tongue1:

Does it even really exist? :noidea:

[Gita]

Does it even really exist? :noidea:

There’s project looking glass and Philadelphia project amongst others! Quantum physics also makes this possible.

Does it exists? Who knows for sure but great fun researching it. Makes the mind go beyond limits.:tinfoil3:

[K626]

There’s project looking glass and Philadelphia project amongst others! Quantum physics also makes this possible.

Does it exists? Who knows for sure but great fun researching it. Makes the mind go beyond limits.:tinfoil3:

If you ask nicely I can tell you how it works.:p

[john.d]

this is a good read about the Phoenix and philadelphia Project :

http://www.whale.to/b/orion.html

John

[annemirri]

In order to move either backwards or forwards in time everything must have already happened.

This means everything past or present has already happened therefore it cannot be changed.


Everything that is happens simultaneously.

This moment is all that is.

Let's take a simple example, I assume that you are a grown, adult man or woman.

When you look back at your early childhood, remember some emotionally important events,
you can relive it, be there again,
your brain and your nerves feed your body so that you feel all the same emotions and feelings,
but something has changed, you have changed, your perception has changed,
so the memory of that childhood event will slightly change.

Time is like water with a barrier, you can make the water to move,
but the barrier stays intact .
The barrier is like a set event that cannot be altered.

a.

[xbusymom]

the Back To The Future triliogy was the most fun - and mind bending - exercise in time loop/timeline possibilities...

then theres also quantum leap, all of the timeline cross-overs in many of the Star Trek series and movies, Time Rider, Time After Time... I could go on (this is one of my favorite movie genres')

I believe that there is enough MOVIE CLUES (according to the sick disclosure rituals of TPTB) to warrant that the truth of time travel does exist... it is just hard to sniff the real truth when they twist up facts they put in the movies for our viewing...

[K626]

I've been thinking about time travel for many years and the way I see it is this.

In order to move either backwards or forwards in time everything must have already happened.
If you travel back in time you are from the future and are travelling into a past that has already happened,
if you travel forward in time you are from the past and you are travelling into a future that must have already happened.

This means everything past or present has already happened therefore it cannot be changed.

So time travel maybe possible but changing time is not..
This is my opinion can anyone see why it might be wrong??

The grandfather thing doesn't work :tongue1:

Or nothing has happened...:playball:

[Gita]

If you ask nicely I can tell you how it works. :p

Ok, I'll bite. Pretty please with a cherry on top - please do tell?:ear:

(is that nice enough K?):p

[K626]

Ok, I'll bite. Pretty please with a cherry on top - please do tell?:ear:

(is that nice enough K?):p

Is he throwing the ball or is he catching it? :playball:

[xbusymom]

So time travel maybe possible but changing time is not..
This is my opinion can anyone see why it might be wrong??



(rubbing hands) ok - what is your definition of 'wrong'?
do you mean that
*it is impossible to change situations in the current timeline? or
*you cant alter the timeline? or
*it would be wrong to try to change the actions in a certain timeline? or
*fate is certain and whatever you do when you time travel has already been accounted for/done? or
*you cant restructure time because time only exists in our minds and everything is done in the eternal NOW? or

what?

[Gita]

Is he throwing the ball or is he catching it? :playball:

oh goodie - a puzzle! He has to throw it first in order to catch it. or is it that he's doing both at the same time??

Puzzle for you - Tell me this - is his head hitting the wall or the wall hitting his head??:frusty: :laugh:

[K626]

The mind can only handle one timeline at a time (one center) the light body and your phsical body can handle any amount. Our understanding of time is our minds need to be anchored.

[xbusymom]

oh goodie - a puzzle! He has to throw it first in order to catch it. or is it that he's doing both at the same time??

Puzzle for you - Tell me this - is his head hitting the wall or the wall hitting his head??:frusty: :laugh:

hmmm... I would say that anything stationary is the hitee and the moving object is the hiter... so his head is hitting the wall...

and for the catching/throwing the ball - it is both- in cycles

[K626]

oh goodie - a puzzle! He has to throw it first in order to catch it. or is it that he's doing both at the same time??

Puzzle for you - Tell me this - is his head hitting the wall or the wall hitting his head??:frusty: :laugh:

Good Gita...He IS doing both. For to throw the ball he already imagines catching it...

Ok, think about this..

If you travel away from the earth at near the speed of light and come back from the nearest star, time on earth has passed expotentially...You might have been away a couple of years, but time on the planet has passed many decades (or more)...How are these two actions linked? The earth doesn't know what you're upto and time certainly doesn't....?

[K626]

hmmm... I would say that anything stationary is the hitee and the moving object is the hiter... so his head is hitting the wall...

and for the catching/throwing the ball - it is both- in cycles

So in general terms we can say time is action or the passing of things...The risng and setting of the sun and the seasons for instance...It's how we denote time. But what if the natural cycles were themselves in a loop...Has time passed?

[Fredkc]

Um....

I take it we've already decided that time actually exists, beyond the duality of perception. Right?

Did I miss a memo ?

Fred

[xbusymom]

But what if the natural cycles were themselves in a loop...?

you lost me on that one...

[xbusymom]

Um....

I take it we've already decided that time actually exists, . Right?



nope...that is ONE of the accepted premises... for the sake of the debate... muh-hahaha

[Gita]

Ok, think about this..

If you travel away from the earth at near the speed of light and come back from the nearest star, time on earth has passed expotentially...You might have been away a couple of years, but time on the planet has passed many decades (or more)...How are these two actions linked? The earth doesn't know what you're upto and time certainly doesn't....?

I’m guessing if you do that, then you will have come back not aged at all whilst your other self left behind would have aged quite a lot. With that in mind, I’ll put my consciousness in the one that speeded away. :car: Not to mention that time is also relative.

BTW, you didn’t answer my puzzle?:twitch:

ps. my head hurts!

[K626]

But without perception there is no time...Right? For instance for a universe of billions of years and the sub-micro moment of the big bang there is no differeance, only in OUR perception (standpoint)...Our moment...

[Gita]

But without perception there is no time...Right? For instance for a universe of billions of years and the sub-micro moment of the big bang there is no differeance, only in OUR perception (standpoint)...Our moment...

Ok, but if I had someone else with me in the passenger seat. Then there’ll be two perceptions. Which perception dictates??

[K626]

I’m guessing if you do that, then you will have come back not aged at all whilst your other self left behind would have aged quite a lot. With that in mind, I’ll put my consciousness in the one that speeded away. :car: Not to mention that time is also relative.

BTW, you didn’t answer my puzzle?

ps. my head hurts!

But what if you did your bit of near light space travel in total secret...Zip you're gone and zip you're back...? As you say only your consciousness would be aware of that...What if you're consciousness is outside of time...Which it is, we are all vaguely aware of that. HOw does the physical universe know that you did it? What is the link so that the two bits of time don't match? How can they not match..? What exactly within the notion of time as an entity is keeping track of all this stuff?? It seems ridiculous no?

[ArtyCarl]

There is still so much we do not understand, and new and exciting discoveries in Physics are made every year. What seems impossible now might seem commonplace in 10 years or less.

[K626]

Ok, but if I had someone else with me in the passenger seat. Then there’ll be two perceptions. Which perception dictates??

That's cheating!! :ballchain:

[annemirri]

If you ask nicely I can tell you how it works.:p

K626,
be a little bit more serious.

What do you actually know about timetravel ?

You can read all sort of books, webpages, go to the lectures...
or talk, write, about it on forums like this one
(which seems to have turned to be K626's ball throwing field), but still,

have you experienced timetravel, moving in time yourself ?
in your physical body or in your light body ?

I am just curious.
a.

[Fredkc]

Ok, but if I had someone else with me in the passenger seat. Then there’ll be two perceptions. Which perception dictates??
Probably doesn't change anything, because now you have an "agreement". ;)

[xbusymom]

Not to mention that time is also relative.



(i don't know exactly how I came up with this but)... time is relative to what... size of object?... speed of molecules?... both?

I mean- how is it that the life span of a small bug is only a short time? and the life span of an elephant is many more years than humans? Does the size of the living creature have anything to do with perception of time?

[K626]

Probably doesn't change anything, because now you have an "agreement". ;)

Aha!! So phenomena only exist if we agree they do...:yo:

I think that has to be the first clear positon on a discussion of time as a phenomena...

[Majorion]

For instance for a universe of billions of years and the sub-micro moment of the big bang there is no differeance, only in OUR perception (standpoint)...Our moment...
The Big Bang "theory" is pretty dodgy I have to say, its become accepted as Gospel just because most scientists seem to have reached a consensus. I think that this Universe is either much much older than a few billions years, or, there never were a "beginning" as we understand it and it has always been in existence. I also happen to believe there are infinite Universes, infinite parallel worlds; if you will, which brings into question whether there are infinite "you's".

[Gita]

But what if you did your bit of near light space travel in total secret...Zip you're gone and zip you're back...? As you say only your consciousness would be aware of that...What if you're consciousness is outside of time...Which it is, we are all vaguely aware of that. HOw does the physical universe know that you did it? What is the link so that the two bits of time don't match? How can they not match..? What exactly within the notion of time as an entity is keeping track of all this stuff?? It seems ridiculous no?

My head really hurts now.:frusty::mmph:


That's cheating!!

What about the kids in the back seat not forgetting the cats, dog and the pony I keep in my back yard. I must also have the pot plant that I’ve lovingly been growing... All these consciousness!! The possibilities are endless, no?:dizzy:

[K626]

K626,
be a little bit more serious.

What do you actually know about timetravel ?

You can read all sort of books, webpages, go to the lectures...
or talk, write, about it on forums like this one
(which seems to have turned to be K626's ball throwing field), but still,

have you experienced timetravel, moving in time yourself ?
in your physical body or in your light body ?

I am just curious.
a.

It must be clear that we are all time travellers for to exist now means to xist always - in the future and in the past.

[Gita]

The Big Bang "theory" is pretty dodgy I have to say, its become accepted as Gospel just because most scientists seem to have reached a consensus. I think that this Universe is either much much older than a few billions years, or, there never were a "beginning" as we understand it and it has always been in existence. I also happen to believe there are infinite Universes, infinite parallel worlds; if you will, which brings into question whether there are infinite "you's".

Totally agree.:thumb:

[xbusymom]

.What if you're consciousness is outside of time...Which it is, we are all vaguely aware of that.

so if we are an entity that exists outside of time... then we can choose to travel anywhere/anywhen and then choose to re-enter the timeline at any given place-marker for experiencing 'time' again... right?

[Fredkc]

(i don't know exactly how I came up with this but)... time is relative to what... size of object?... speed of molecules?... both?
I mean- how is it that the life span of a small bug is only a short time? and the life span of an elephant is many more years than humans? Does the size of the living creature have anything to do with perception of time?
Time is changeable. this was proven quite a while ago. Gravity affects time, for one. This one was proven by bouncing signals to, and from Mercury as it just rounded the sun.

As to it being relative... quote from the movie Deep Blue Sea:
"Put your hand on a hot stove, a second can seem like an hour.
Put your hand on a hot woman, an hour can seem like a second." ;)

Now, the whole relationship between, duality, time, and the ego, was explained really well, in a book thats still on my coffee table. but rhather than do it wrong, I am going to look it up later, so I get it right. Till then... my turn to cook tonight, so...

[whiterose]

My head really hurts now.:frusty::mmph:

I was just thinking the same thing! :dizzy: :confused:

[K626]

My head really hurts now.:frusty::mmph:



What about the kids in the back seat not forgetting the cats, dog and the pony I keep in my back yard. I must also have the pot plant that I’ve lovingly been growing... All these consciousness!! The possibilities are endless, no?:dizzy:

That's right and what or who or it is keeping track of all that ****??

Is inventing something thinking ahead or remembering?

[K626]

I was just thinking the same thing! :dizzy: :confused:

You need more sugar.

[xbusymom]

The Big Bang "theory" is pretty dodgy I have to say, its become accepted as Gospel just because most scientists seem to have reached a consensus. I think that this Universe is either much much older than a few billions years, or, there never were a "beginning" as we understand it and it has always been in existence. I also happen to believe there are infinite Universes, infinite parallel worlds; if you will, which brings into question whether there are infinite "you's".

I think it is more likely (with all the awakened info being pulled into the picture) that the scientists were instructed to reach THAT consensus... it may just BE the truth that time always existed... because the universe always existed (in the cycle/re-cycle of life) and that if OUR perception of earth-time is just a small single thread of the never-ending cycles...

yep- I can see where you are going with this...

[K626]

BBang is only a need for a beginning.

[Gita]

Seriously guys, I don’t believe time exists as such. It’s only a concept to serve its purpose in the way we perceive things with our limited minds. All things are said to happen at the same time at all levels and all dimensions. If our limited minds were aware of this then we would go even more insane than we already are.

With that I shall bid you all goodnight. This thread be interesting when I get back to it tomorrow – oops – there’s that time thing again!

[K626]

I think it is more likely (with all the awakened info being pulled into the picture) that the scientists were instructed to reach THAT consensus... it may just BE the truth that time always existed... because the universe always existed (in the cycle/re-cycle of life) and that if OUR perception of earth-time is just a small single thread of the never-ending cycles...

yep- I can see where you are going with this...

Time isn't linear that's for sure.

[K626]

Seriously guys, I don’t believe time exists as such. It’s only a concept to serve its purpose in the way we perceive things with our limited minds. All things are said to happen at the same time at all levels and all dimensions. If our limited minds were aware of this then we would go even more insane than we already are.

With that I shall bid you all goodnight. This thread be interesting when I get back to it tomorrow – oops – there’s that time thing again!

Agree it's ony a concept, but it is one of those rare concepts that carries a bit of radiation.

[annemirri]

It must be clear that we are all time travellers for to exist now means to xist always - in the future and in the past.

Fine,
but let's be more concrete.

You are you "K626" (let it be our secret that I know that you exist as a real physical person.)
and
we see you here in this three (3) dimensional world,

NOW in this moment,

and we all agree that we all see, feel, sense and understand with our minds
this same special moment in excatly same way,

then something happens, you are not here,

you are gone,

to another time, timeline, reality, existence, dimension, frequency,

and then you are back here in this same moment with us seeing and sensing, understanding as we do,

the only difference in you is that you are the only one who "knows" that you have been away,

Has something like that happend to you ?

a.

[xbusymom]

It’s only a concept to serve its purpose in the way we perceive things with our limited minds.

maybe we devised a way to imerse ourselves into a belief of separation-existance in order to better focus on a particular idea / or experience...

ergo... not insane... just contained-focused...

[K626]

Fine,
but let's be more concrete.

You are you "K626" (let it be our secret that I know that you exist as a real physical person.)
and
we see you here in this three (3) dimensional world,

NOW in this moment,

and we all agree that we all see, feel, sense and understand with our minds
this same special moment in excatly same way,

then something happens, you are not here,

you are gone,

to another time, timeline, reality, existence, dimension, frequency,

and then you are back here in this same moment with us seeing and sensing, understanding as we do,

the only difference in you is that you are the only one who "knows" that you have been away,

Has something like that happend to you ?

a.

I am not here, only my signature is...It is the same for all of us. Every single one of us. And we were here before the universe.

[K626]

maybe we devised a way to imerse ourselves into a belief of separation-existance in order to better focus on a particular idea / or experience...

ergo... not insane... just contained-focused...

I like Gita she is clever.

[annemirri]

I am not here, only my signature is...It is the same for all of us. Every single one of us. And we were here before the universe.

Nonsense !
Whom you try to fool with that ? Not me.

You obviously haven't experienced timetravel yourself, and you cannot take that someone has,
the least me.:dance:

a.

[xbusymom]

Time isn't linear that's for sure.

and it isn't static either... so how does memory fit into all of this... because everyone remembers a different version of the same incident... and even the passing of time (or suggestion from others) can alter the memory of the original incident...

the only thing I can come up with is... perception???

which takes us right back to the perception of time... cause as our mind gathers more info... we SEE/understand things about the same incident/time-referencdifferently...

so is it all really about perception???

[Majorion]

I think it is more likely (with all the awakened info being pulled into the picture) that the scientists were instructed to reach THAT consensus
Of course its all instructed, but why stop at science, you also have religion, finance, education, media, television, hollywood, video games, and a system of Government -- so many ways to manipulate/control people, and all this (combined) works very efficiently to suppress the truth.

[annemirri]

Of course its all instructed, but why stop at science, you also have religion, finance, education, media, television, hollywood, video games, and a system of Government -- so many ways to manipulate/control people, and all this (combined) works very efficiently to suppress the truth.

Majorion, you are wise,

I was lucky as I went to school in a country where we were encouraged to find our own truths
by asking questions, learn from many different sources,
see things in many angles,

but, still, there were the common accepted truths to be learned and taught.

I could not understand physics (though I was considered to be "in top 5%"at school ),
it just did not make any sense to be, so I chose to study only the very basics, and answer the questions by heart, copying what I had read from schoolbooks,

as I had experienced even the TIME differently,

and if I did know much about physics
I would never have accepted my own alien encounters as reality.

Our physics is just starting to see the light.

a.:dance:

[giovonni]

Wonderful stuff here~ :yu: you all are a clever bunch :grouphug:

[Swanny]

Wow wasn't expecting such a big response :)


Good Gita...He IS doing both. For to throw the ball he already imagines catching it...

Ok, think about this..

If you travel away from the earth at near the speed of light and come back from the nearest star, time on earth has passed expotentially...You might have been away a couple of years, but time on the planet has passed many decades (or more)...How are these two actions linked? The earth doesn't know what you're upto and time certainly doesn't....?

But in this reality that has to have already happened.
So it doesn't matter if you leave the planet for a day or 100 years time has already happened :)

[Gita]

It must be clear that we are all time travellers for to exist now means to xist always - in the future and in the past.
Quite right, but lets not forget the NOW for that is where our focus is and therefore in our perception that’s where we exist. Not to mention now is all there is!!

I wonder whether we actually do travel in time or time comes to us once we put our attention on it! Is there a difference?!:bump2:



so if we are an entity that exists outside of time... then we can choose to travel anywhere/anywhen and then choose to re-enter the timeline at any given place-marker for experiencing 'time' again... right?
That is a possibility – if only our consciousness could break free of this 3D prison. But I think being aware of the concept and the possibility then the bars of limitation may slowly begin to melt away. Ah, one can only dream – yet that’s a start in itself.:clock:




Time is changeable. this was proven quite a while ago. Gravity affects time, for one. This one was proven by bouncing signals to, and from Mercury as it just rounded the sun.
As to it being relative... quote from the movie Deep Blue Sea:
"Put your hand on a hot stove, a second can seem like an hour.
Put your hand on a hot woman, an hour can seem like a second."

Exactly. But also other factors are involved i.e perception also affects time as shown in your example – nice example by the way.:thumb:

[Gita]

That's right and what or who or it is keeping track of all that ****??

Is inventing something thinking ahead or remembering?

The collective consciousness and collective perception could lead to a collective creation to that instance of reality – maybe? But what happens if there’s no agreement? Would this lead to chaos which in turn would arrange itself into something bigger outside of the consciousness in order to bring in some kind of order?!


Time isn't linear that's for sure.

True. If everything is happening at the same time then time cannot be linear. I sometimes see time as spiral that can loop back in on itself. An easier way to understand it is see time as a tree with leaves and branches where every leaf and every branch is different event. Events do not happen in sequences in the way we believe it does as everything is happening all at the same time. The only way of seeing an event is to put our attention on it.

I’ve regressed people into their past lives where their immediate previous past life would be in the 15th century whilst three past lives before that would be in the 19th century. Mind boggling stuff.



Agree it's ony a concept, but it is one of those rare concepts that carries a bit of radiation.

Sure – time has been engrained into the human consciousness since the beginning of time!! With so many people over eons of time/space giving life to the concept of time would manifest it in a way as to give it life – a kind of an artificial life that has the capabilities of affecting our perceptions and limiting our consciousness – but keeping us sane at the same time!

[Swanny]

(i don't know exactly how I came up with this but)... time is relative to what... size of object?... speed of molecules?... both?

I mean- how is it that the life span of a small bug is only a short time? and the life span of an elephant is many more years than humans? Does the size of the living creature have anything to do with perception of time?

Perception of time effects everything, standing at a bus stop in the pouring rain waiting for a bus that's a minute late seems forever.
I wonder about those stupid flies that only live a few days, you see them sat on the wall and a day later they are still there haven't moved an inch. What a waste of time :clock:

[Gita]

maybe we devised a way to imerse ourselves into a belief of separation-existance in order to better focus on a particular idea / or experience...

ergo... not insane... just contained-focused...

I agree but I keep remembering that there are so many other factors involved and one in my mind is to stop us going insane as well. As strong as our minds are, it can also be fragile due to lack of knowledge and rigid belief system which can send a person insane if something contradictory shows up. Don’t you just love the dichotomies of life?


I am not here, only my signature is...It is the same for all of us. Every single one of us. And we were here before the universe.

Totally agree. We are all energy signatures but going back to our focused attention, then this signature in the present now seems to me to be more dominant which makes us experience as if we are only here!


Nonsense !
Whom you try to fool with that ? Not me.

You obviously haven't experienced timetravel yourself, and you cannot take that someone has,
the least me.

No one could possibly know any of this time travel stuff for sure. People here are just giving opinions based on their own experiences and their own thinking. I know there are people here who regularly astral travel which also includes time travel. Who are we to say otherwise just because we have not experienced it ourselves? It’s all good in my book. :rockon:

[Gita]

and it isn't static either... so how does memory fit into all of this... because everyone remembers a different version of the same incident... and even the passing of time (or suggestion from others) can alter the memory of the original incident...

the only thing I can come up with is... perception???

which takes us right back to the perception of time... cause as our mind gathers more info... we SEE/understand things about the same incident/time-referencdifferently...

so is it all really about perception???
Memory is to do with our brains. Our mind is different to our brains. My view is that the brain is a biological matter that is encased in our skulls which help to maintain the body. Our minds however is inside every single cells of our body. People don’t just remember a different version of the same incident they actually see the same incident differently in real time. This all depends on where their attention is whilst the events are happening and what their expectation is about the incident. Not to mention what mood they are in. This would affect their memory.

Also lets not forget the observer who can change the particle into waves and vice versa scenario just through the act of observing – their expectation also comes into play whilst utilising their belief system. Pretty amazing IMO.


And my head still hurts!:frusty:

[Swanny]

so if we are an entity that exists outside of time... then we can choose to travel anywhere/anywhen and then choose to re-enter the timeline at any given place-marker for experiencing 'time' again... right?

Yea you can pop in and out anywhere you please.
Imagine it like a book, you can open and read the book anywhere you like.
:cool:

[Swanny]

Time is changeable. this was proven quite a while ago. Gravity affects time, for one. This one was proven by bouncing signals to, and from Mercury as it just rounded the sun.



But if time had already happened then so had the experiment so it didn't prove anything :p

[Gita]

But in this reality that has to have already happened.
So it doesn't matter if you leave the planet for a day or 100 years time has already happened

Yes, it has already happened but there are many versions of the outcome so which version of the outcome you get to experience depends on the choice you make at that time.

Good morning btw.

[Swanny]

Yes, it has already happened but there are many versions of the outcome so which version of the outcome you get to experience depends on the choice you make at that time.

Good morning btw.

But that's like reading a different book
Morning :)

[Gita]

But that's like reading a different book
Morning

Exactly – if you choose to put down the book that you’re reading and pick up another then the whole outcome changes whether it being so slightly that you do not even notice or quiet a lot. It all depends on your choices, actions, perceptions, beliefs, expectations, mood...

Fun no?:roll:

[Scott]

Perhaps time is better described as "Duration" that is (Measurably Flexible) ;p

[annemirri]

No one could possibly know any of this time travel stuff for sure.

People here are just giving opinions based on their own experiences and their own thinking.

I know there are people here who regularly astral travel which also includes time travel.

Who are we to say otherwise just because we have not experienced it ourselves?

That is not true, as

WE CAN POSSIBLY KNOW OF TIMETRAVEL FOR SURE.

some astraltravel may include time travel,- done that.

and let it be corrected here that my reply to "K626" was a personal joke,
which he may or may not have understood. (so I try to leave personal jokes outside this forum,
but it is so annoying that people cannot be real here, their have characters to play,
and then in real world they are so different, even me ?, as I was told that I am a very SCARY person on this forum, am I ? )

a.

[Swanny]

Fun no??

Does that mean isn't this fun??
Yea great stuff :)

[Swanny]

That is not true, as

WE CAN POSSIBLY KNOW OF TIMETRAVEL FOR SURE.

some astraltravel may include time travel,- done that.

and let it be corrected here that my reply to "K626" was a personal joke,
which he may or may not have understood. (so I try to leave personal jokes outside this forum,
but it is so annoying that people cannot be real here, their have characters to play,
and then in real world they are so different, even me ?, as I was told that I am a very SCARY person on this forum, am I ? )

a.


Speak for yourself I'm the same out there as I am in here :p

Sorry but you can't know anything for sure you can only think you do :)

[Gita]

That is not true, as

WE CAN POSSIBLY KNOW OF TIMETRAVEL FOR SURE.

some astraltravel may include time travel,- done that.

and let it be corrected here that my reply to "K626" was a personal joke,
which he may or may not have understood. (so I try to leave personal jokes outside this forum,
but it is so annoying that people cannot be real here, their have characters to play,
and then in real world they are so different, even me ?, as I was told that I am a very SCARY person on this forum, am I ? )

I find it to be more flexible not to set my opinions and beliefs in stone so I try not to make statements about things that we’re not 100% sure about subjectively as facts. I’m also very appreciative and respectful of others’ opinions no matter how they differ to my own – this makes things a lot more fun for me and allows my mind to be flexible enough to consider new info.

There are some of us on this forum that are absolutely real – I’m no different on the forum as in outside world and a few people on this forum know me and have met me in person that can see no difference in the way I am and I can say the same for them. Playing a character is too much hassle for me and it’s not who I am or choose to be. I look for the truth like most here but in my reality the truth starts with me which means for me to be real in every moment of the day which I find comes naturally to me.

I did not mean to offend you in anyway and I don’t think you are ‘SCARY’ but your post did come off as a bit abrupt but I do understand it can sometimes be hard to just translate it on the forum. I hope this post does not come off as abrupt as that is not my intention. I much prefer calm to friction.:thumb:

Peace to you annemirri.

[annemirri]

But in this reality that has to have already happened.


If we just speak of this reality,
this what we see around us now, in this moment,
on this planet, timeline, cycle or grid, I am able and willing to say more.

I give you another simple example, like how the psychics are able to see future events,

as I do sometimes get very clear visions of future events,
which will happen EXACTLY, every detail, in every sense,
the way I have seen them happening or manifesting.

Like, a year ago my neigbour decided to go to China to find a wife,
and asked me to take care of his cat.

That specific moment I saw him coming back during a night with his new wife.
I was sleeping in my bed, when I heard a car on the driveway, I walked to the window to see the car and the neigbour,
I cannot see the new wife, but I can hear her footsteps and her talking...

A few months later my neigbour came back without a wife,
I was kind of disappointed, as I had seen him in my vision coming back with his new wife.

But,
a few months later, I woke up during a night as I had seen in my vision,

I knew that NOW was the moment that I had seen happening.

I decided to stay in my bed and change the events
and not to go to the window to see the neigbour and his new wife...
.but I was like pulled in some sort of timecontinuum
and I could not change that event
as I was there by the window watching my neigbour coming home,
hearing her footsteps, her talking....

Hope this helps,
a.

[Gita]

Just posted this on a new thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?447-Penney-Peirce-Frequency-Intuition-Time-amp-Dreams)– thought it may be relevant to this thread.

Penney says “We're leaving the Information Age and entering the Intuition Age. That means our perception is shifting and the rules of the way life functions are changing. It is only by becoming skilful with intuition and mastering the art of working with the "frequency principles" that govern energy and awareness, that you'll be truly successful in our lightning fast new world”.



Red Ice Radio - Penney Peirce - Pt 1 - Frequency, Intuition, Time & Dreams

Part one

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