A prediction about Wilcock

[peace]

his sources 'high up' will ensure that we were all saved at the last minute.

he will go back on his original idea and tell us that most of these high level arrests turned out being informal/formal resignations by these people in power. "and i can assure you, they won't be able to regain their prior positions, my sources high up will ensure this," or something very similar will be said.

he won't be able to provide names.

the dates predicted (like all dates we are given) will come and go.

he will say he's got boxes of information, millions of pages worth of documents, file cabinet after file cabinet bursting with evidence; and none will be provided for the public domain, to keep his sources safe.

this is not a slam. there is no hate. it is a critical eye to his previous actions/reports. this is being called out now. the above, or some things very similar will come to pass.

[seantimberwolf]

Nice posts,

I think your right peace,
Although it does sound like every piece of Wilcock info, lol
But why does everyone keep buying it, we are at a time when we need to look at hard evidence.

How else can we fight this?

[peace]

my brother, i don't know if there is even a fight to be had.

just calmly call out the bogus info? call it out early? as respectfully as we can?

just be able to say, "see? it doesn't add up, it never does." ?

[EC1000]

You’re probably right, peace. I appreciate Wilcock's work and all but he does seem to get a bit carried away with things in a way where he comes off being so sure of his info. I'm still waiting for the UFO's co-piloted by aliens and the Chinese to show up here in the US and Obama's "imminent disclosure" that he was going on about before he got into the whole 'financial tyranny' thing.

[seantimberwolf]

I keep feeling its all falling apart,

Like no matter what we do, it wont be enough, people have spent so long trying to hide behind the soft approach that we have lost our way,
We no longer concentrate on what is definitely going on.

We could have fought this but now people have been scared into thinking if they fight, they will fall into a "trap of darkness of the soul" by the new age media.
The new age media is telling us to by DVD's, sit around meditating, and not taking action.
Im all for the Love and Light but after everything is back in controll of the people, not before.

[StarDust]

A bit pessimistic if you ask me. There is something much larger at work here. Eradicating certain "cancerous growths" in our community is only one aspect of the change occurring. I appreciate David Wilcock for his devotion to the cause. Being pessimistic is a choice that is based on an inability to see the larger picture in motion.

[seantimberwolf]

A bit pessimistic if you ask me. There is something much larger at work here. Eradicating certain "cancerous growths" in our community is only one aspect of the change occurring. I appreciate David Wilcock for his devotion to the cause. Being pessimistic is a choice that is based on an inability to see the larger picture in motion.

Im not pessimistic, far from it, but i make my OWN action, i dont wait for "light workers" or white hat groups.
I try my hardest to convince people and spread the word, prepare for economic collapse, and look after those who would come.
Maybe im stuck in my 3D world, but i still believe actions speak very loudly when change is needed.

Sean

[Billy]

Like all predictions Peace yours also will not come to pass.

Why waste energy debunking others efforts.

Be the change you want to see

Give it a rest.

[Cartomancer]

I think David Wilcock is ruining his career and credibility by perusing these types of stories. I think people see what a charismatic person he is and want to feed him these things to ruin him. It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.

Additionally I have been reading a lot about St. Germain these days. Some of the accounts you see says that St. Germain created a "World Trust" way back in the 1700's that was designed to accrue interest and ultimately free the world from debt. Supposedly the funds can only be released in gold and the PTB keep blocking it. It was supposed to be released in 2000 but never was and instead we got 911.

Here's a link to the movie about St. Germain where this is stated in the last twenty minutes. All of this sounds strangely similar to what Fulford has been saying lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MCfTLzFMtg

[modwiz]

I think David Wilcock is ruining his career and credibility by perusing these types of stories. I think people see what a charismatic person he is and want to feed him these things to ruin him. It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.

Additionally I have been reading a lot about St. Germain these days. Some of the accounts you see says that St. Germain created a "World Trust" way back in the 1700's that was designed to accrue interest and ultimately free the world from debt. Supposedly the funds can only be released in gold and the PTB keep blocking it. It was supposed to be released in 2000 but never was and instead we got 911.

Here's a link to the movie about St. Germain where this is stated in the last twenty minutes. All of this sounds strangely similar to what Fulford has been saying lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MCfTLzFMtg

I have trouble with funds and the accruing/collection of interest. Interest is wrong. If the agreements of these loans to the rulers of the world incuded interest, there is some logic, but we all know it is the people who paid the interest. If these funds have accrued our money then it is good we will be getting them back. From the moment global setlements take place and adjustments made, I never want to hear about money and interest having a relationship again. The Islamic banking system does without it so it is clear that a banking system does not need usury to operate, nor should it use it, IMO.

My comment about Islamic banking is to make an example of an usury free model and is not meant to be misconstued as suggesting the model to be followed. I know there are still misunderstandings about Islam for some and I do not wish to press any buttons.

[peace]

Like all predictions Peace yours also will not come to pass.

Why waste energy debunking others efforts.

Be the change you want to see

Give it a rest.

I suppose it's because it's my energy and I feel the change I want to be includes showing that, along with other things he's talked about, his grandiose claims won't come to pass.

Your comments are always well received, my friend, and I'm glad for them.

But give it a rest? How many threads are on avalon on this topic supporting, even hoping these things will come to pass?

This is the change i want to be. It's why I'm here.

NO rest for the wicked, I suppose.

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A bit pessimistic if you ask me. There is something much larger at work here. Eradicating certain "cancerous growths" in our community is only one aspect of the change occurring. I appreciate David Wilcock for his devotion to the cause. Being pessimistic is a choice that is based on an inability to see the larger picture in motion.

I appreciate your comment.

Pessimistic? I feel that's a fair judgement. I dissagree about not seeing the larger picture. I think, when nothing happens, the view of the larger picture will kind of say, "it is what it is."

[peace]

Let it also be known:

I've kinda gone after Wilcock's info (and am making measured efforts to go after the info, not him), and many have come to his defense with:

He's helping raise awareness (in general) of some off beat topics, such as those discussed here.

I totally agree. But as noted above, he's made some bold claims, many of which we are still waiting on.

The OP is a comment/prediction on what will happen.

[goinghome2012]

everyone stop being in denial and accept the dimensional shift is upon us and the end of this world is near.

[PHARAOH]

The only way we can stop this madness is to STOP "PAYING" ATTENTION!!!

[peace]

everyone stop being in denial and accept the dimensional shift is upon us and the end of this world is near.

let's get it back on topic, yeah?

:focus:

[pilotsimone]

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[Rocky_Shorz]

If you look at David as a teacher trying to expand your perceptions whether through fear tingling darkness or showing a hope of light. What the story is doesn't really matter, how it touches you and whether you learn anything does... he fine tunes your Hinky Meter... ;)

but none of you would have read what he wrote or listened to what he said if you weren't drawn to know more...

[peace]

I think Wilcock is a huge trigger for some on this forum. I don't know your particular background, peace, but I've noticed a pattern with others who consistently post negatively about him.

It's often the less humble posters (mostly men)...and usually they're triggered by what they perceive as arrogance. Irony is funny. :)

Wilcock is a super confident individual and that really rubs some the wrong way. Especially because he knows (and we know) that he can't possibly have all the answers or be 100% correct all the time.

They want him to be more humble and it drives them crazy when he is not.

And I would wager they too are looking forward to any possibility of 'I told you so' where Wilcock is concerned.

You're looking a bit deeper than necessary or that was intended by the op

This isn't for a possibile 'I told you so.' - This is a raising of awarenes of his pattern of no follow through, this is a prediction, like i read (yes, I go to his site) on his website.

And also, the promotion and the in your face, 'THIS WILL HAPPEN, BE PREPARED, AND YOU GOT IT HERE FIRST' he's doing shows he thinks he's right, or is going to be.

He is often found lacking in the follow through.

So, while appreciate your speculation on me and my pysche and my less than humble nature, I will maintain the original idea.

[trenairio]

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[pilotsimone]

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[Cartomancer]

I think Wilcock is a huge trigger for some on this forum. I don't know your particular background, peace, but I've noticed a pattern with others who consistently post negatively about him.

It's often the less humble posters (mostly men)...and usually they're triggered by what they perceive as arrogance. Irony is funny. :)

Wilcock is a super confident individual and that really rubs some the wrong way. Especially because he knows (and we know) that he can't possibly have all the answers or be 100% correct all the time.

They want him to be more humble and it drives them crazy when he is not.

And I would wager they too are looking forward to any possibility of 'I told you so' where Wilcock is concerned.

I am critical of Wilcock but would gladly eat humble pie if what he is saying turns out to be correct. I just think he would be better off going back to the kind of material he was presenting before the Drake and Fulford stuff. He's a talented speaker etc. and I'm sure a nice person. I'm sure as an alternative journalist he has to present what he thinks people will be interested in while maintaining his integrity.

[YvonneG]

I hope that Mozart or others who know David well will respond. I cease to wonder why people want to be critical with checking facts. David's reporting has been to a great extent accurate. David's motive, I am quite sure, is not to present what he thinks people want to hear. Do you know for example the amount of work that it takes produce the well researched articles that he has presented. Whether people agree with what he presents makes no difference. What makes no sense is your logic here.

And I am still not sure how criticizing someone like David does any good at all?

But then I have had quite a short fuse lately because of spending too much type reading it. And i respond because I feel very strongly about people like David who are devoting their lives to our freedom--regardless of whether anyone agrees or not. They deserve respect in my book.

There is someone who I was working closely with and it turns out we see things so differently that I can no longer work with him, but I respect all the work that he has done and continues to do in name of Freedom. How much more so David !

[peace]

You're looking a bit deeper than necessary or that was intended by the op

Or perhaps you're not looking deep enough?

I understand it wasn't your intention to go so deep, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and suggest that it's always in our best interest to understand why we post (project onto others) like we do.

I'm suggesting that there might be a very good reason you are frustrated with David Wilcock...and it has nothing to do with David Wilcock.

And I'm okay if that doesn't resonate with you. It will for others.

i picked up on your point, and assured you that is not the case.

OP: nothing is going to come of this. has nothing to do with the man or my ego, or me getting to say I told you so. it's the lack of these things that i was trying to express in the op.

and if we are talking projection, i mean, really?

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I hope that Mozart or others who know David well will respond. I cease to wonder why people want to be critical with checking facts. David's reporting has been to a great extent accurate. David's motive, I am quite sure, is not to present what he thinks people want to hear. Do you know for example the amount of work that it takes produce the well researched articles that he has presented. Whether people agree with what he presents makes no difference. What makes no sense is your logic here.

And I am still not sure how criticizing someone like David does any good at all?

But then I have had quite a short fuse lately because of spending too much type reading it. And i respond because I feel very strongly about people like David who are devoting their lives to our freedom--regardless of whether anyone agrees or not. They deserve respect in my book.

There is someone who I was working closely with and it turns out we see things so differently that I can no longer work with him, but I respect all the work that he has done and continues to do in name of Freedom. How much more so David !

again: not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.

just making a prediction.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

everyone stop being in denial and accept the dimensional shift is upon us and the end of this world is near.

Which world are we/you getting in return?

And where is your home?( calm friendly intonation in my typing and thinking voice ).

[StarDust]

Like all predictions Peace yours also will not come to pass.

Why waste energy debunking others efforts.

Be the change you want to see

Give it a rest.

I suppose it's because it's my energy and I feel the change I want to be includes showing that, along with other things he's talked about, his grandiose claims won't come to pass.

Your comments are always well received, my friend, and I'm glad for them.

But give it a rest? How many threads are on avalon on this topic supporting, even hoping these things will come to pass?

This is the change i want to be. It's why I'm here.

NO rest for the wicked, I suppose.

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A bit pessimistic if you ask me. There is something much larger at work here. Eradicating certain "cancerous growths" in our community is only one aspect of the change occurring. I appreciate David Wilcock for his devotion to the cause. Being pessimistic is a choice that is based on an inability to see the larger picture in motion.

I appreciate your comment.

Pessimistic? I feel that's a fair judgement. I dissagree about not seeing the larger picture. I think, when nothing happens, the view of the larger picture will kind of say, "it is what it is."

Peace,

By "larger picture" I am directly referencing key sources like "The RA Material" which is primarily concerned with the process and less concerned by the minutia. You truly need the perspective of an extra dimensional on this one to see the big picture. Admittedly, I have full faith in this process given that this is where I emanate from. I am comforted by reports from Inelia Benz and others that the process of planetary ascension is unstoppable at this time. Mass arrests and other measures within the justice system are merely footnotes to a much grander story. Everything is transpiring precisely as it should…that is the larger picture from this ED's perspective.

seantimberwolf,

While I applaud your "go getter" attitude and proactive approach, it is advised to appreciate what light beings are doing for Earth at this time. Even if you can't quantify something, it doesn't mean that something beyond your perception doesn't exist. I know that the Earth would be a very different place (in a very negative way) than it is now if it weren't for all the benevolent beings that have volunteered to be here at this time. I've seen what humanity is capable of doing to itself without assistance and it isn't pretty. It's clear that assistance was required upon request by the collective conscious of this planet; it has been provided and now a better path has been more or less assured. Keep doing whatever you feel you need to do to advance the goal. But have faith knowing that you didn't need to do all the heavy lifting unaided.

[Camilo]

Instead of cutting Wilcock down, why don't you come up with info that you consider reliable?

[pilotsimone]

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[Cartomancer]

again: not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.

just making a prediction.

Hi peace,

Aren't you curious why you felt compelled to make the (public) predictions in the first place?

How do you see the forum benefiting from these predictions?

This is like a bad dorm room discussion here. Someone just got an "A" in freshmen psychology. I'd be more curious to hear why this thread has denigrated into you psychoanalyzing someone? What compels you to think you are in any way qualified to spout this kind of rhetoric? Someone doesn't agree with you so you are going to launch psyche barbs at this guy because he disagrees with someone you are a fan of? That's enough to make me check out of this thread for good. See there your mission is accomplished. Oh no psychological mind control right here on Avalon! Alert, Alert!!!! Peace is going to need therapy after this assault. Help, please someone help!!!

[Avocadess]

I can usually pick up a lot about people -- especially people with strong energy fields -- when I am in their physical presence. I have never spoken to Wilcock directly nor attended any of his seminars, but I joined a friend in the waiting area of a hotel lobby as she was preparing to join a 2-3-day seminar with him. He walked into the area we were in and was looking and speaking to someone at the check-in table. The vibe I picked up was very strong, gentle, honest and even humble.

I immediately liked and trusted him to be who he says he is.

[pilotsimone]

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[TargeT]

I think Wilcock is a huge trigger for some on this forum. I don't know your particular background, peace, but I've noticed a pattern with others who consistently post negatively about him.

It's often the less humble posters (mostly men)...and usually they're triggered by what they perceive as arrogance. Irony is funny. :)

Wilcock is a super confident individual and that really rubs some the wrong way. Especially because he knows (and we know) that he can't possibly have all the answers or be 100% correct all the time.

They want him to be more humble and it drives them crazy when he is not.

And I would wager they too are looking forward to any possibility of 'I told you so' where Wilcock is concerned.

I am critical of Wilcock but would gladly eat humble pie if what he is saying turns out to be correct. I just think he would be better off going back to the kind of material he was presenting before the Drake and Fulford stuff. He's a talented speaker etc. and I'm sure a nice person. I'm sure as an alternative journalist he has to present what he thinks people will be interested in while maintaining his integrity.


I'm not sure if I'm a less humble poster, definitely a man however & definitely triggered by Wilcock.

I admit this openly, his giddy giggling with brock. and hinting of hidden knowledge that he can't let out yet... his empty words & baseless claims (the only caveat I can see is a large number of financial industry resignations & a few arrests, but I can see that being a result of the financial collapse which was unrelated to his prophetic statements as much as proof of what he says is true).. these bother me.

the main trigger for me is that his under lying message is that of inactivity, of waiting for "what ever" to do "something" that will "save us"; this type of message rings SO FALSE to me that it becomes as much of an emotional trigger as I am capable of having (which is not much in reality) .

I don't see an "I told you so" ego response behind much of this (though surely there is some) I do see a genuine concern by many that the pied piper is playing a tune and getting us all to dance in circles with big eyes and hope...

I just think that by now, something, SOME SMALL THING would lend credibility to all these various stories; the feeling of manipulation is too strong for me to ignore it.


so with that said, I think peace's original message is very timely and needs to be said, this one sided (seemingly) support for baseless claims is disturbing to me.

I will admit I lack faith, but I also do not think this is the right place or time for faith (wilcock, fulford, drake material....).

[Cartomancer]

This is like a bad dorm room discussion here. Someone just got an "A" in freshmen psychology. I'd be more curious to hear why this thread has denigrated into you psychoanalyzing someone? What compels you to think you are in any way qualified to spout this kind of rhetoric? Someone doesn't agree with you so you are going to launch psyche barbs at this guy because he disagrees with someone you are a fan of? That's enough to make me check out of this thread for good. See there your mission is accomplished. Oh no psychological mind control right here on Avalon! Alert, Alert!!!! Peace is going to need therapy after this assault. Help, please someone help!!!

My gut says two things:

1) peace will be okay. He knew (and expected) his OP would get some pushback.

2) My observations have value (or I never would have posted).

This forum is cleaning itself up with each passing day. I'll gladly accept the ridicule while participating in that effort.

How would you define "cleaning up?" And what is your role in "cleaning up" the fourm? What qualifies you to "clean up" the forum? The "clean up" police are here everyone. Watch what you say or you may subject to psychological manipulation and torture at the hands of the "clean up crew."

[DeDukshyn]

So what? Who cares. Everyone is wrong some of the time ... period. You would only be disappointing of this fact in David W. if some part of you revered him, or if you have some programmed hatred.
You might be right, you might be wrong .. will you start a thread to condemn yourself if you are wrong? If not that may be hipocratic ... my 2 cents ;)

You really started a thread to say that David Wilcock may be wrong about some things in the future? ... back to Awakening everyone ...nothing to see here ... ;) (I'm being an ass (but an honest one) - sorry if I offended anyone)

[pilotsimone]

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[pilotsimone]

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[TargeT]

his under lying message is that of inactivity, of waiting for "what ever" to do "something" that will "save us"; this type of message rings SO FALSE to me that it becomes as much of an emotional trigger as I am capable of having (which is not much in reality) .

Target,

I sincerely appreciate your post and feel like you might be the best person to help me understand where peace is coming from.

In my first post, I made it clear that I do not know peace or his background much here at PA. I only remember one other post from him and it was referencing Wilcock...


don't believe this guy. i've gotten in trouble for being critical of him, but geez, he is too much. i don't care if i get banned. he plays victim and he makes crap up and any sliver of truth he can wrap around a lie, he will. it makes me sick.

In David's work, I don't feel an underlying message to do nothing and wait for someone to save us. So, can you explain in a little more detail how you reached this conclusion?

What actions specifically do you feel he is hindering in people? What could they be doing this very moment that they aren't because of David's persuasion?

I hope those questions make sense.



I'm not sure that peace and I are on the same page as far as motivation goes.

the victim part I can understand, I have been beaten unconscious a few times, blown up, shot at & complain less about perceived threats to my person when compared with D.Wilcock, but I do not assume that everyone has the personal fortitude to take even just simple threats well (psychologically) so I can say that he does advertise threats against himself a bit more than I would, but not judge him for it as it most likely is affecting him more than it would me. (though I can see how empathy is difficult at times and this type of thing would bother people)

David's work is mostly very interesting, I do not have a problem with much of it and see the majority of it as worth considering (at least); however this financial rescue by an alliance of 130 (or what ever the number) nations in connection with other influencing "hero" forces gives what I see as a false sense of security.

I write this with a quote in mind "he who learns must suffer" if you take away the suffering, you take away the learning, when you take away the motivation, there is rarely action.

in other words: if people think things are "being handled" the majority of them won't shift, change, or alter from their current habitual lives..... Motivation is fire at your back, motivation is the flood waters rising; humanity NEEDS this motivation to do something and I see him as disarming it with his claims, claims that I have so far seen no evidence of being "real" (though of course, I hope I am wrong; I would love to see what he says come true but even saying that I see how it lends even more to the statement of his de-motivating (by accident or on purpose) being a bad thing).

I can expand on this more later, not authorized over time and I must leave now ;) (hopefully that gives some idea, at least of my motivation for posting as I have / do)

[Cilka]

Nice posts,

I think your right peace,
Although it does sound like every piece of Wilcock info, lol
But why does everyone keep buying it, we are at a time when we need to look at hard evidence.

How else can we fight this?

People choose not to see the hard evidence because then they would find out that Wilcock is not who he says he is, and no one wants to get shocked. Spiritual gurus come and go, and some people try to keep these charlatans on a pedestal for as long as they can no matter how fake they look. And a lot of people also want someone to take care of them constantly, to save them, to bring them the so-called truth on a silver platter, so that they don't have to work for researching the truth themselves. It's sad but true.

[sdv]

This is my personal view: when someone says that you must believe and support something without proof, then it is like buying into religious brainwashing. (Just be good and do what I tell you to and believe what I say and then someone greater than you will save you.)

If you want to change the world, then look at yourself and what power you have. Yes, the political/governing system has been corrupted by money, but you still have the power of the vote, both nationally and within your state (if you are in the USA). You have economic power in what you choose to buy and what you choose not to buy. You have the power to protect the environment in the small space that you inhabit. You have the power to influence others through the power of the Internet. You can start petitions to help to get your voice heard.

I have lived through a national liberation movement and what it takes is risking arrest by protesting on the streets, gettiing together in groups to place statements in national media, being aware of how you speak and think, being committed to a cause that you may not live to see realised, and so on. It never means sitting at home waiting for someone to save you and tell you what to do!

Value and appreciate what DW has done and could do, but do not blindly follow him and buy into this hoax (just like the disclosure that was supposed to happen was a hoax), i.e. this must be true because Drake says so and he has been verified by DW.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
I don't have a problem with someone stating their opinion! What "Peace" said is his opinion and even though it probably is true what he is saying why are most posts giving him a bad time for his opinion?
Truth is what I am after and most other people I think?
IF we can just agree to disagree then everyone will be learning. When "Peaces" post comes to fruition he will be praised and why shouldn't he be? After all he's giving his honest opinion.
Let's stay focussed and not get confrontational simply because one person's opinion doesn't fit our perception of life..............
Give "Peace" a pat on the back for getting people to open up and then let's get back to finding the truth!
regards,
chancy

[gripreaper]

Often a story helps to clarify. Let’s roll back the clock several thousand years where Enlil and Enki are sitting around the fire talking about the future, after the nuclear annihilation of Atlantis, and the subsequent deluge which almost wiped out all of mankind:

You know Enlil that was quite the mess there, we lost everything, all of our technology, all our ability to go out into space, to go back home, and I told you we should not have given the humans those extra DNA strands. They were too smart and I knew they would wake up. Yea, well you know Enki, it was you who was tired of cloning all the time and wanted to give them the ability to reproduce themselves, and then your guys went and screwed around with them: it was you who got them all riled up to where they thought they could take us on and free themselves. Why did you have to resort to nukes though? Enlil, they really pissed me off, and I did not think that the nukes would melt the ice crystals in the photon belt and rain down such a deluge: I just wanted to wipe out the Lemurian hybrids with the extra DNA and leave the Atlantean hybrids, the dumbed down 2 strand version.

Well Enki, it’s going to take a really long time now to rebuild the technology, and we need to get it done as quickly as possible before RA returns. Enlil, RA is not slated to return until after the precession of Libra with the return of the grand cross and the closing of the great cycle: that gives us plenty of time, as long as we keep the hybrids as slaves and we operate in secret, and do not let them know what’s truly going on, they will welcome the slavery which we will create for them. Anyone who does not go along with it, we can just kill them anyways. There won’t be any dissension or any revolt as we have just seen.

But Enki, RA comes twice in the final days, once as the great psychic, and then again as the liaison of the opposition, gathering all of the disparate nations, forming a great alliance, with RA himself as the energetic nexus to which all will awaken and look towards as their DNA is activated by RA himself! Oh Enlil, I know this is of concern to you, but RA cannot hold together such an alliance, and bring enough energy to bear that would be strong enough to alter the timeline: Are you sure you’re looking at the right timeline?

Yes Enki, I’m looking at the timeline with David Wilcock at the helm, the reincarnation of RA himself!!

Uh Oh Enlil, looks like we’re screwed!

[frozen alchemy]

Maybe it was inevitable; Edgar Cayce's readings were, to my mind at least, either unintelligible, obtuse in the extreme, or in the 'still waiting for that to happen' category. At least he seems to have been right that there's a chamber underneath the left paw of the Sphinx, but so far digging there hasn't been allowed for some reason. I'm hopeful that the new Egyptian Antiquities Ministry head will allow it, it's long overdue.

I have also been following David Wilcock for some time now; I've gone back and forth in believing his information (the NY Supreme Court lawsuit filing was a high point, but it turns out that has now been put on hold because the judge that it was assigned to has decided to 'retire' abruptly); the low point was the interview with Kerry Cassidy just a few weeks ago after he received death threats. He completely lost his composure for a good bit and ended up crying on air; an odd Irish or Scottish-accented man called into the show and reassured everyone but not before my !! meters went off the charts. It felt like a con artist had called the show and they allowed him an awful lot of time. As someone who has personally experienced a form of a near-death experience, I was amazed that someone that believes in reincarnation was so frightened by the idea of death threats. This would be the chance to show everyone your true calm belief in the concept, as well as the forethought to realize that the power struggles that he is mingling with are at the upmost echelons and therefore very, very dicey propositions.

I had somewhat the same reaction but far more pronounced in the now infamous interview Alex Jones did of Peter Joseph. As a disclaimer, I rarely listen to Alex Jones, his voice actually is painful for me, but because he was interviewing Peter Joseph (of the Zeitgeist Movement) I made it a point to listen to the whole show. It was the most obnoxious display of ego and childishness on the part of Jones that I've ever suffered through. He not only ended up owing PJ an abject apology, but roses, flowers and chocolates as well as epic amounts of bowing. I doubt that ever happened.... PJ managed to handle the whole spectacle with poise and mostly calmness; personally I would have hung up after the first 40 minutes or so, but the man knows enough to take advantage of the audience offered, if nothing else.

I wonder why this is so hard. If I was going to go out into the public and declare some pretty outlandish or controversial ideas as truth, I would have proof ready to offer. Photographs, documentation, corroboration, something. I would think long and hard before coming forward if I wasn't able to provide at least something for the simple reason that we've seen what happens to people who are whistleblowers or offer testimonials. It seems to change their lives forever, and not usually in a good way. Compare what the Zeitgeist Movement has already offered us as to a way to go ahead with real, observable cooperation and change, and what the whole UFO/Lightworkers/Channeling movement has so far accomplished. One is genius and reality-based, the other feels endlessly ephemeral.

[andrewgreen]

Firstly I think David is an excellent fiction writer and he should be commended for it. A lot of what we see here is fiction by people wishing to sell material and make money. Science fiction has been really important in opening peoples minds to possibilities especially with the intriguing prospect of 'true hidden' messages in their. The main problem I have is that people like Wilcox is he does this on the pretence of providing truth which is absolutely not the case with his work although he is very good at making very far fetched things sound real, a mark of a good writer.

[joedjemal]

I think David Wilcock is ruining his career and credibility by perusing these types of stories. I think people see what a charismatic person he is and want to feed him these things to ruin him. It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.

Additionally I have been reading a lot about St. Germain these days. Some of the accounts you see says that St. Germain created a "World Trust" way back in the 1700's that was designed to accrue interest and ultimately free the world from debt. Supposedly the funds can only be released in gold and the PTB keep blocking it. It was supposed to be released in 2000 but never was and instead we got 911.

Here's a link to the movie about St. Germain where this is stated in the last twenty minutes. All of this sounds strangely similar to what Fulford has been saying lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MCfTLzFMtg

I have trouble with funds and the accruing/collection of interest. Interest is wrong. If the agreements of these loans to the rulers of the world incuded interest, there is some logic, but we all know it is the people who paid the interest. If these funds have accrued our money then it is good we will be getting them back. From the moment global setlements take place and adjustments made, I never want to hear about money and interest having a relationship again. The Islamic banking system does without it so it is clear that a banking system does not need usury to operate, nor should it use it, IMO.

My comment about Islamic banking is to make an example of an usury free model and is not meant to be misconstued as suggesting the model to be followed. I know there are still misunderstandings about Islam for some and I do not wish to press any buttons.

Absolutely Modwiz, interest is lethal. It forces growth which inevitably leads to collapse. I suspect that's the main reason many religions (including Christianity) banned it. It's just another form of ponzi scheme, just slower.

It always causes great suffering in the end.

[jasonzwsa]

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[Bo Atkinson]

I'm not sure that peace and I are on the same page as far as motivation goes.

the victim part I can understand, I have been beaten unconscious a few times, blown up, shot at & complain less about perceived threats to my person when compared with D.Wilcock, but I do not assume that everyone has the personal fortitude to take even just simple threats well (psychologically) so I can say that he does advertise threats against himself a bit more than I would, but not judge him for it as it most likely is affecting him more than it would me. (though I can see how empathy is difficult at times and this type of thing would bother people)

David's work is mostly very interesting, I do not have a problem with much of it and see the majority of it as worth considering (at least); however this financial rescue by an alliance of 130 (or what ever the number) nations in connection with other influencing "hero" forces gives what I see as a false sense of security.

I write this with a quote in mind "he who learns must suffer" if you take away the suffering, you take away the learning, when you take away the motivation, there is rarely action.

in other words: if people think things are "being handled" the majority of them won't shift, change, or alter from their current habitual lives..... Motivation is fire at your back, motivation is the flood waters rising; humanity NEEDS this motivation to do something and I see him as disarming it with his claims, claims that I have so far seen no evidence of being "real" (though of course, I hope I am wrong; I would love to see what he says come true but even saying that I see how it lends even more to the statement of his de-motivating (by accident or on purpose) being a bad thing).

I can expand on this more later, not authorized over time and I must leave now ;) (hopefully that gives some idea, at least of my motivation for posting as I have / do)



I think DW is OK, but agree to hold each icon within itself. He gives many support-oriented folks hope. That is valuable, as most people thrive on support orientations. I don't want to deprive them. I just want to be free:

That Aeschylus quote (thanks TargeT) helped me along with selective stoic principles, for self development. Other cultures echo some of the principles there too. Decades going by now, still very much helping to guide my life. Where i've always felt very independent of main stream systems, like 9-to-5. I've seen where the quote can fit into highly organized systems too. I'm still questing for personal evolvement, within my own life. Let me discover my own realizations and be invigorated by challenges that naturally arise. Let invigoration replace fear. Let me remain free from highly structured constraints too. DW's latest coverage still leaves me in suspence. Does this really represent the US liberation from tyranny? I do like the independence part of it. The Pentagon definitely needs someone like DW to help sweeten it's image. Given it's difficult history. I'll be listening further.

With the recent popularity of an "abundance paradigm", i'm still on pause, trying to hear out more of it's outlines and workability. The skeptic in me wonders, if the challenges of life were completely solved there, as yet... EG what sort of creativity and freedom of wider expression will the abundance society achieve? Creativity far beyond arts, crafts and classic-stories. I can love the bees, herds and flocks in the animal kingdom. I've not seen a clearly perfected human-kingdom-model. Sure there are a few good stories, which skipped over the material questions-- Where all human types can balance the given people types. The fun visionary-romances of better worlds can feel great. After the show however, there is a big no-go. Just go back to one's own reality box.

To fit Aeschylus in here again, people void of learning might also be void of thought's which are outside the box. Outside the city-structures which elites have for century used to bait humans. To stop human, internal-evolvement. Stop humans from fully exploring raw nature, (nature beyond matter, energy, space & time).

I'm all expectant about free energy, but doubt it includes free-magic for every situation. Absolute-free-energy would be akin to leaving this reality, completely, methinks. This reality works with polarities. Remove polarities, then human conceptions falter, stumped on what other 'dimensions' with wheels spinning and no traction. Remove all contrasts, then were might be moving back to a herd mentality. Move forward, we likely go extra-dimentional. Perhaps a reality without the forces and constraints which we are accustomed to. Stay here and we can have free energy with constraints, with amperage-fuses, still intact. Draw too much free energy and a fuse blows somewhere. Kinetic and latent energies, can still power a certain, comfortable level of human-centric life. That is my hope.

I've been knocked out by a 20 ton excavator, thought i was finished for weeks, but recovered within months, literally by avoiding doctor-care.

[peace]

again: not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.

just making a prediction.

Hi peace,

Aren't you curious why you felt compelled to make the (public) predictions in the first place?

How do you see the forum benefiting from these predictions?

it's. a. forum.

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I can usually pick up a lot about people -- especially people with strong energy fields -- when I am in their physical presence. I have never spoken to Wilcock directly nor attended any of his seminars, but I joined a friend in the waiting area of a hotel lobby as she was preparing to join a 2-3-day seminar with him. He walked into the area we were in and was looking and speaking to someone at the check-in table. The vibe I picked up was very strong, gentle, honest and even humble.

I immediately liked and trusted him to be who he says he is.

I appreciate this very much.
He seems like a great guy, I'm in no way denying that. Seems like he cares. Seems like he wants good. I'm for it.

This has only been a predication of what I think will come of this recent material.

[peace]

Like all predictions Peace yours also will not come to pass.

Why waste energy debunking others efforts.

Be the change you want to see

Give it a rest.

I suppose it's because it's my energy and I feel the change I want to be includes showing that, along with other things he's talked about, his grandiose claims won't come to pass.

Your comments are always well received, my friend, and I'm glad for them.

But give it a rest? How many threads are on avalon on this topic supporting, even hoping these things will come to pass?

This is the change i want to be. It's why I'm here.

NO rest for the wicked, I suppose.

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A bit pessimistic if you ask me. There is something much larger at work here. Eradicating certain "cancerous growths" in our community is only one aspect of the change occurring. I appreciate David Wilcock for his devotion to the cause. Being pessimistic is a choice that is based on an inability to see the larger picture in motion.

I appreciate your comment.

Pessimistic? I feel that's a fair judgement. I dissagree about not seeing the larger picture. I think, when nothing happens, the view of the larger picture will kind of say, "it is what it is."

Peace,

By "larger picture" I am directly referencing key sources like "The RA Material" which is primarily concerned with the process and less concerned by the minutia. You truly need the perspective of an extra dimensional on this one to see the big picture. Admittedly, I have full faith in this process given that this is where I emanate from. I am comforted by reports from Inelia Benz and others that the process of planetary ascension is unstoppable at this time. Mass arrests and other measures within the justice system are merely footnotes to a much grander story. Everything is transpiring precisely as it should…that is the larger picture from this ED's perspective.

seantimberwolf,

While I applaud your "go getter" attitude and proactive approach, it is advised to appreciate what light beings are doing for Earth at this time. Even if you can't quantify something, it doesn't mean that something beyond your perception doesn't exist. I know that the Earth would be a very different place (in a very negative way) than it is now if it weren't for all the benevolent beings that have volunteered to be here at this time. I've seen what humanity is capable of doing to itself without assistance and it isn't pretty. It's clear that assistance was required upon request by the collective conscious of this planet; it has been provided and now a better path has been more or less assured. Keep doing whatever you feel you need to do to advance the goal. But have faith knowing that you didn't need to do all the heavy lifting unaided.

To be fair to you, I'll get into that material a little more. I feel your comment is completely fair. We (I) do wade in the minutia a bit to much, eh? Sometimes it's hard to not get soaked.

[peace]

again: not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.

just making a prediction.

Hi peace,

Aren't you curious why you felt compelled to make the (public) predictions in the first place?

How do you see the forum benefiting from these predictions?

This is like a bad dorm room discussion here. Someone just got an "A" in freshmen psychology. I'd be more curious to hear why this thread has denigrated into you psychoanalyzing someone? What compels you to think you are in any way qualified to spout this kind of rhetoric? Someone doesn't agree with you so you are going to launch psyche barbs at this guy because he disagrees with someone you are a fan of? That's enough to make me check out of this thread for good. See there your mission is accomplished. Oh no psychological mind control right here on Avalon! Alert, Alert!!!! Peace is going to need therapy after this assault. Help, please someone help!!!

I appreciate the views for/against. but again, my intent is not a slam. just what is coming.

(i have worked most of my career as a case worker so my educational background is full of psych, social theory, etc., i know when to bite the worm on the hook, and when not to - mostly)

[mountain_jim]

i know when to bite the worm on the hook, and when not to - mostly)

I am patting myself on the back for not biting the worm of getting involved in the discussion in this thread (this time). :)

[gripreaper]

Well, just tell the psychopathic, narcissistic, murderous, self indulgent, egotistical, oligarchical power mongering elite bankster cabalistic, blood sucking pedophiles to play nice. After all, the notion that they created us as a hybrid slave race to mine gold for them, and they have a right to all of the assets of this planet, and we are just cannonfodder for their industrial machinations to glorify themselves as the stellar space parents which they are, the true god's of planet earth, is true and their right, is it not?

Let's just tell them that charging interest is usury, that their usury is wrong, and that we are sentient beings with a soul and a heart and emotions and that we have rights which should be respected. Besides, they've used us long enough to restore the technology which was lost and they can now choose to leave the planet, as the protective shield is now opened. And, oh by the way, even though you engineered and changed our DNA so that we could reproduce like rabbits, don't worry about the size of the population, we'll take care of that ourselves. You don't need to pick up any of your toys or clean your room before you leave either.

I'm sure they'll say yes, wont they?

[Lazlo]

If you look at David as a teacher trying to expand your perceptions whether through fear tingling darkness or showing a hope of light. What the story is doesn't really matter, how it touches you and whether you learn anything does... he fine tunes your Hinky Meter... ;)

but none of you would have read what he wrote or listened to what he said if you weren't drawn to know more...

I was drawn in by him because of the desire to learn more...watched a bunch of vids, followed his pronouncements...finally bought Source Field and read it:

Total waste of time and money.

He makes so many leaps in judgement and draws illogical conclusions from his own arguments that I no longer give any merit to anything he says. It wasn't apparent until I read his works with a critical eye.
What it told me is that he is a voracious reader, and has the ability to collect and sort a lot of information, but that he actually lacks the critical thinking skills to draw good conclusions. This is merely reinforced by his repeated proclamations that never come to pass.

He will continue to draw people to his message, and it will wake some people up. This is a good thing, on second thought maybe it wasn't a TOTAL waste of effort to follow his stuff, because it helped me in my own ability to be discerning and I now can focus on other messages.

Edit to add: Never met the guy, never met anyone who called him a good friend. He's probably sincere and has his heart in the right place, but all I have to go on is what I see, hear, and read...and I am no longer impressed. To put it bluntly, if the chips were down and life was about to get real serious, I wouldn't trust his decision making skills. He'd likely be more of a liability than an asset.

[Mozart]

I hope that Mozart or others who know David well will respond.




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Ok, I was not going to respond to this thread, but I changed my mind after reading through this thread. I initially did not want to respond to this thread because of how close I am to Wilcock, so my POV would naturally be biased, but I'll be as honestly objective as I can.


I will include bits of quotes here and there, not in sequential order, and respond to them and to the perceptions that seem to underlie those quotes, so none of my responses are to be construed to be personal -- it's general, ok?





he won't be able to provide names.

the dates predicted (like all dates we are given) will come and go.

he will say he's got boxes of information, millions of pages worth of documents, file cabinet after file cabinet bursting with evidence; and none will be provided for the public domain, to keep his sources safe.




1) He cannot provide any names of his sources because if he did, not will he lose the source(s), he'd wind up causing the source to be killed -- and the source's family tortured/killed in front of that source before the source himself was killed.


Do you really want that to happen to anybody, let alone to someone who is truly patriotic, who really cares about America and who wants to do something about it to the point of risking one's own ass -- and family -- in order to pass along some critical information to someone like Wilcock in an effort to undermine the dark bastards who have taken over every damn institution that matters in America and the world?


Whistleblowers have suffered massively at the hands of the dark bastards when they get outed-out. The whistleblowers suffer ridicule at work at the mildest, to loss of retirement funds, losses of financial assets being wiped out, to having those close to them killed in mysterious ways, to having their own family members tortured/murdered in front of them, then the whistleblower would either be left alive or killed as well. I'm tell'n you, those eff'n dark bastards are NASTY MOFOS.


2) Wilcock never did provide any dates for any future events -- he would not do that kind of folly and is all too aware of those who had publicly provided dates and loudly proclaimed certain events to come to pass ... only to have nothing happen.


Wilcock did have many dreams that supported the idea of some sort of significant future event(s) to soon transpire and this has been documented on his website. Keep in mind that he's been recording / documenting his dreams virtually every single day for 14 years ... can anybody out there make the same claim?


I'm one of those fortunate 500 people for whom he once did private readings and the dream that he did the night before to support the reading that he did was amazingly spot-on.


So Wilcock has learned to differentiate between his private dreams and the dreams that pertain to the public. And he has documented numerous times on his website dreams that indicated future events to unfold and they did, per the dream(s), so Wilcock's ability to forsee future events is well documented.





I'm still waiting for the UFO's co-piloted by aliens and the Chinese to show up here in the US and Obama's "imminent disclosure" that he was going on about before he got into the whole 'financial tyranny' thing.




Man, I don't know where you got the idea for the co-piloted UFOs and the Chinese, but about Obama -- yes, it is a fact that disclosure by Obama was planned ... several times and each time it's not happened, which frustrated many, including me.


But you must understand that Obama has been personally threatened with not only the loss of his life, but the torture/murder of his family right in front of him if he dared to go against the demands of the dark bastards. Obama was -- and still is -- in a hell of a pickle.


Even if he dared to speak out in any public venue, the TV networks would immediately shut down/divert any spoken burst of truth and hide it from the public, as the networks have a built-in 7-second delay that allows them to do that in any venue, including live ones.


And I can go on and on about how impossible it was for Obama to break out of that pickle; furthermore, I personally suspect -- just my own POV -- that the Obama that we see is a clone of the real Obama. I've given up on Obama a long time ago, but we'll see how things go once the mass arrests commence.





It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.




Wilcock's own internal insider sources confirmed many things that Fulford said publicly and privately. Not everything that Fulford said panned out, of course, but there were several things that Fulford kept on talking about with no proof in the public, only to be proven to be correct all along when the information FINALLY did come out.


The Keenan lawsuit is one example. When Fulford first started talking about it, there was no proof whatsoever anywhere, even on PACER, and even after Wilcock got on the case train, nothing on PACER ... yet, then, finally, it wound up on PACER and it's established fact.


Another thing that Fulford kept talking about for a long time was the "Monaco Accords", which was the birthing of the now-134-nation alliance that has banded together to stop the dark bastards by several means, including to refuse to accept the Fed Res Note dollars.


There was nothing out there in the public that supported Fulford's continual reporting of this then-growing alliance that started out at 57 nations that first gathered in Monaco.


But now it's all been proven to be true -- the Monaco Accords did happen and now this alliance has grown to be a 134-nation alliance that is now in direct contact with Wilcock and why?


It's because Wilcock is highly credible. It's because Wilcock is able to keep his word and not out -- accidentally, or not -- any of his sources. It's because Wilcock has risked his own neck and ass in his efforts to put out his epic FINANCIAL TYRANNY article that has seriously undermined the dark bastards' efforts to remain hidden behind the curtain.


Wilcock is the modern-day Toto who had the balls to pull back the curtain, but he's not the only Toto out there ... there are many Totos and we are SO fortunate to have them taking the ballsy action to go against the Illoonynaughties with the audacious, bold idea of defeating the dark bastards.


And here we are ... criticizing Wilcock, Fulford and others who are risking their necks and asses to defeat the eff'n dark bastard elites? WTF?


Do you have anything better to offer? What have YOU DONE to help defeat the elites that is on the same level of action, of positive effect and of efficacious results to defeat the eff'n dark bastard elites at the level of what Wilcock, Fulford and others have done? What? Care to list your lists of accomplishments to compare?






I am comforted by reports from Inelia Benz and others that the process of planetary ascension is unstoppable at this time. Mass arrests and other measures within the justice system are merely footnotes to a much grander story. Everything is transpiring precisely as it should…that is the larger picture from this ED's perspective.



BINGO!


Yes, the story and drama that we are going through on our Earth is SO HUGE and so complicated that most of us are missing the big picture of what is going on. I'm just stunned as to how many of us are missing the big picture, even those who are spiritual / awake, but that's ok, because there are enough of us who are doing our parts -- big and small -- that add up to a tsunami of truth and awakening that cannot be stopped.


And the events that will transpire shortly -- the mass arrests, et. al. -- pale compared to the events that will happen at the end of 2012 (and up to the end of 2013) with the ascension event happening ... and THAT event is THE key event that we are building up towards; everything now is just a prelude to THAT event that will happen at either the end of 2012 or within one year from that (per the timetable of the Ra Material of the ascension happening from the end of 2011 to the end of 2013).


And one more thing. Wilcock is NOT Ra. Wilcock is a member of the Ra Social Memory Complex, but Wilcock is but one small fragment of that complex.


Wilcock was Ra-Ta in Egypt, who was an incarnated human whom the Ra Social Memory Complex contacted in the groups naive belief that humanity was ready for the technology/information that they gave to Ra-Ta, who then gave it to the leaders in the Egyptian society, fully expecting them to share it with everyone there in Egypt and beyond, but the leaders in Egypt got selfish, distorted by their own selfish, service-to-self aspects of their egos and kept the technology to themselves, thus giving birth to the Illoonynaughties as we know it.


So that's why the Illoonynaughties are always fixated on their Egyptian artifacts -- the pyramids with the Eye of Ra, the obelisks, the ankhs, et al.


So, in a very direct way, Ra-Ta, by being banished from Egypt (Ra-Ta fell for a woman, Isis, who was sent to him with the hopes of causing him to go against his own rules/morals that he preached), inadvertently gave birth to the Illoonynaughties that we know today. So working to defeat the Illoonynaughties today is part of the karma that Wilcock is working tirelessly to effect.


Wilcock works virtually every single day non-stop to the point of exhaustion, many times pushing himself to breakdowns of his immune systems, which then forces him to stop and rest.


He works 14 to 20 hours a day nearly every day each month and rarely takes vacations. Even when he was taking a "vacation" in the two Canada trips that I was privileged to be there with him and 30 others, he was working there, too, and we had to bugger him a few times to take some "eff'n time off, man!"


He has started to relax a bit more and has learned to take some well-needed and deserved time off after the last Canada trip and I'm really glad to see that. His body of work now is complete enough that he can afford to make himself relax ... but he still is pushing hard, especially now with his task of playing his key role in defeating the dark bastards. I'm so, so grateful for his part that he's brilliantly played to help us -- We the People of the world -- to finally defeat the dark bastard elites.

[EC1000]

I'm still waiting for the UFO's co-piloted by aliens and the Chinese to show up here in the US and Obama's "imminent disclosure" that he was going on about before he got into the whole 'financial tyranny' thing.




Man, I don't know where you got the idea for the co-piloted UFOs and the Chinese, but about Obama -- yes, it is a fact that disclosure by Obama was planned ... several times and each time it's not happened, which frustrated many, including me.


But you must understand that Obama has been personally threatened with not only the loss of his life, but the torture/murder of his family right in front of him if he dared to go against the demands of the dark bastards. Obama was -- and still is -- in a hell of a pickle.


Even if he dared to speak out in any public venue, the TV networks would immediately shut down/divert any spoken burst of truth and hide it from the public, as the networks have a built-in 7-second delay that allows them to do that in any venue, including live ones.


And I can go on and on about how impossible it was for Obama to break out of that pickle; furthermore, I personally suspect -- just my own POV -- that the Obama that we see is a clone of the real Obama. I've given up on Obama a long time ago, but we'll see how things go once the mass arrests commence.



Sorry, i was being a little sarcastic with the term co-piloted, but it was in regard to the time when David was talking a lot about how the Chinese were working hand in hand with the Aliens to stop us (the US) from destroying the world basically.

Like i did say, i do appreciate the man's work and effort but I don't understand how he can just jump from issue to issue without every following up or finishing on the previous ones mentioned. Obviously, i understand that there's a lot going on right now, but you get my point. Why would someone go on and on about something, then just drop it completely? It’s almost like some folks in the “alternative community” are just following trends or something; you know, whatever is hot at the moment, right now it’s this financial stuff. It’s not like the aliens just went away ‘cause or money is all f-d up..lol

Again, i do have respect for the man as i do most people. And I got the impression that the OP (peace) does as well, however many folks here seem to be angry at peace for expressing his/her opinion and/or frustrations. This i do not understand, especially at a place like avalon.
Don't forget (me included) one of the first steps to enlightenment is to leave judgment at the door!
we're all in it together.

[peace]

I hope that Mozart or others who know David well will respond.




If you choose to respond to this large post via the quote box, please do snip out MOST of the quote, leaving in just the part that expresses the central point to which you may be responding.


Ok, I was not going to respond to this thread, but I changed my mind after reading through this thread. I initially did not want to respond to this thread because of how close I am to Wilcock, so my POV would naturally be biased, but I'll be as honestly objective as I can.


I will include bits of quotes here and there, not in sequential order, and respond to them and to the perceptions that seem to underlie those quotes, so none of my responses are to be construed to be personal -- it's general, ok?





he won't be able to provide names.

the dates predicted (like all dates we are given) will come and go.

he will say he's got boxes of information, millions of pages worth of documents, file cabinet after file cabinet bursting with evidence; and none will be provided for the public domain, to keep his sources safe.




1) He cannot provide any names of his sources because if he did, not will he lose the source(s), he'd wind up causing the source to be killed -- and the source's family tortured/killed in front of that source before the source himself was killed.


Do you really want that to happen to anybody, let alone to someone who is truly patriotic, who really cares about America and who wants to do something about it to the point of risking one's own ass -- and family -- in order to pass along some critical information to someone like Wilcock in an effort to undermine the dark bastards who have taken over every damn institution that matters in America and the world?


Whistleblowers have suffered massively at the hands of the dark bastards when they get outed-out. The whistleblowers suffer ridicule at work at the mildest, to loss of retirement funds, losses of financial assets being wiped out, to having those close to them killed in mysterious ways, to having their own family members tortured/murdered in front of them, then the whistleblower would either be left alive or killed as well. I'm tell'n you, those eff'n dark bastards are NASTY MOFOS.


2) Wilcock never did provide any dates for any future events -- he would not do that kind of folly and is all too aware of those who had publicly provided dates and loudly proclaimed certain events to come to pass ... only to have nothing happen.


Wilcock did have many dreams that supported the idea of some sort of significant future event(s) to soon transpire and this has been documented on his website. Keep in mind that he's been recording / documenting his dreams virtually every single day for 14 years ... can anybody out there make the same claim?


I'm one of those fortunate 500 people for whom he once did private readings and the dream that he did the night before to support the reading that he did was amazingly spot-on.


So Wilcock has learned to differentiate between his private dreams and the dreams that pertain to the public. And he has documented numerous times on his website dreams that indicated future events to unfold and they did, per the dream(s), so Wilcock's ability to forsee future events is well documented.





I'm still waiting for the UFO's co-piloted by aliens and the Chinese to show up here in the US and Obama's "imminent disclosure" that he was going on about before he got into the whole 'financial tyranny' thing.




Man, I don't know where you got the idea for the co-piloted UFOs and the Chinese, but about Obama -- yes, it is a fact that disclosure by Obama was planned ... several times and each time it's not happened, which frustrated many, including me.


But you must understand that Obama has been personally threatened with not only the loss of his life, but the torture/murder of his family right in front of him if he dared to go against the demands of the dark bastards. Obama was -- and still is -- in a hell of a pickle.


Even if he dared to speak out in any public venue, the TV networks would immediately shut down/divert any spoken burst of truth and hide it from the public, as the networks have a built-in 7-second delay that allows them to do that in any venue, including live ones.


And I can go on and on about how impossible it was for Obama to break out of that pickle; furthermore, I personally suspect -- just my own POV -- that the Obama that we see is a clone of the real Obama. I've given up on Obama a long time ago, but we'll see how things go once the mass arrests commence.





It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.




Wilcock's own internal insider sources confirmed many things that Fulford said publicly and privately. Not everything that Fulford said panned out, of course, but there were several things that Fulford kept on talking about with no proof in the public, only to be proven to be correct all along when the information FINALLY did come out.


The Keenan lawsuit is one example. When Fulford first started talking about it, there was no proof whatsoever anywhere, even on PACER, and even after Wilcock got on the case train, nothing on PACER ... yet, then, finally, it wound up on PACER and it's established fact.


Another thing that Fulford kept talking about for a long time was the "Monaco Accords", which was the birthing of the now-134-nation alliance that has banded together to stop the dark bastards by several means, including to refuse to accept the Fed Res Note dollars.


There was nothing out there in the public that supported Fulford's continual reporting of this then-growing alliance that started out at 57 nations that first gathered in Monaco.


But now it's all been proven to be true -- the Monaco Accords did happen and now this alliance has grown to be a 134-nation alliance that is now in direct contact with Wilcock and why?


It's because Wilcock is highly credible. It's because Wilcock is able to keep his word and not out -- accidentally, or not -- any of his sources. It's because Wilcock has risked his own neck and ass in his efforts to put out his epic FINANCIAL TYRANNY article that has seriously undermined the dark bastards' efforts to remain hidden behind the curtain.


Wilcock is the modern-day Toto who had the balls to pull back the curtain, but he's not the only Toto out there ... there are many Totos and we are SO fortunate to have them taking the ballsy action to go against the Illoonynaughties with the audacious, bold idea of defeating the dark bastards.


And here we are ... criticizing Wilcock, Fulford and others who are risking their necks and asses to defeat the eff'n dark bastard elites? WTF?


Do you have anything better to offer? What have YOU DONE to help defeat the elites that is on the same level of action, of positive effect and of efficacious results to defeat the eff'n dark bastard elites at the level of what Wilcock, Fulford and others have done? What? Care to list your lists of accomplishments to compare?






I am comforted by reports from Inelia Benz and others that the process of planetary ascension is unstoppable at this time. Mass arrests and other measures within the justice system are merely footnotes to a much grander story. Everything is transpiring precisely as it should…that is the larger picture from this ED's perspective.



BINGO!


Yes, the story and drama that we are going through on our Earth is SO HUGE and so complicated that most of us are missing the big picture of what is going on. I'm just stunned as to how many of us are missing the big picture, even those who are spiritual / awake, but that's ok, because there are enough of us who are doing our parts -- big and small -- that add up to a tsunami of truth and awakening that cannot be stopped.


And the events that will transpire shortly -- the mass arrests, et. al. -- pale compared to the events that will happen at the end of 2012 (and up to the end of 2013) with the ascension event happening ... and THAT event is THE key event that we are building up towards; everything now is just a prelude to THAT event that will happen at either the end of 2012 or within one year from that (per the timetable of the Ra Material of the ascension happening from the end of 2011 to the end of 2013).


And one more thing. Wilcock is NOT Ra. Wilcock is a member of the Ra Social Memory Complex, but Wilcock is but one small fragment of that complex.


Wilcock was Ra-Ta in Egypt, who was an incarnated human whom the Ra Social Memory Complex contacted in the groups naive belief that humanity was ready for the technology/information that they gave to Ra-Ta, who then gave it to the leaders in the Egyptian society, fully expecting them to share it with everyone there in Egypt and beyond, but the leaders in Egypt got selfish, distorted by their own selfish, service-to-self aspects of their egos and kept the technology to themselves, thus giving birth to the Illoonynaughties as we know it.


So that's why the Illoonynaughties are always fixated on their Egyptian artifacts -- the pyramids with the Eye of Ra, the obelisks, the ankhs, et al.


So, in a very direct way, Ra-Ta, by being banished from Egypt (Ra-Ta fell for a woman, Isis, who was sent to him with the hopes of causing him to go against his own rules/morals that he preached), inadvertently gave birth to the Illoonynaughties that we know today. So working to defeat the Illoonynaughties today is part of the karma that Wilcock is working tirelessly to effect.


Wilcock works virtually every single day non-stop to the point of exhaustion, many times pushing himself to breakdowns of his immune systems, which then forces him to stop and rest.


He works 14 to 20 hours a day nearly every day each month and rarely takes vacations. Even when he was taking a "vacation" in the two Canada trips that I was privileged to be there with him and 30 others, he was working there, too, and we had to bugger him a few times to take some "eff'n time off, man!"


He has started to relax a bit more and has learned to take some well-needed and deserved time off after the last Canada trip and I'm really glad to see that. His body of work now is complete enough that he can afford to make himself relax ... but he still is pushing hard, especially now with his task of playing his key role in defeating the dark bastards. I'm so, so grateful for his part that he's brilliantly played to help us -- We the People of the world -- to finally defeat the dark bastard elites.



firstly, thank you for such a passionate, well thought out, critical post.

1. I'm not slamming the guy. It's a prediction based on observation of what I think will happen.

2. I have nothing I have "done to beat the elites" - because, well, though I think there is some dark stuff out there, and some bad folks, whom I've mainly "learned" about from Mr. Wilcock and places like PA/PC, I have no proof that they are doing these things other than from these sources, who, remarkably, never come through with tangible, evidence (other than noted in OP). Calling me out like that is a bit silly, IMHO. This is a forum for discussion. This is what I wanted to discuss.

3. I'm impressed with the amount of time, love, and energy you are reporting he puts into his work; and as others on PA have shown me, he has at the very least, made people aware of some great ideas.

4. If the material he is saying will happen does happen, I completely understand about his sources.

5. Off topic: I think he makes great jumps in logic based on symbolism in his dreams or things that happen to him (cutting his hand and liking it to what would happen 9/11, for example). This is where I think he loses people like me (not that he needs me).

6. Again. Everyone. Read the OP. This is just a thought on what I think will happen. If I recall there were dates given, but it might not have been by David. It's a lot of material and I could have that wrong, for that I apologize.

7. Thank you again for the great post. Though I'm very tired of coming on here, and being called out, "well, what have you done?" I thought forums were to discuss. Anytime I do this, it's met with some hostility. You are a friend of his, I understand, I'd react the same and bear no ill will.

8. This is just a thought. I will not live in fear.

9. Also, I did not put together, until this thread, the idea of this actually being the little stuff, before the big stuff really goes down. I think I could argue, though, that the way he presents this stuff, it's as everything is about to go down in a big, big way and this is THE game-changer. I think he does this a little too often, with not a lot of content, substance or things actually changing in the real world to give him credibility to make such statements.

[Mozart]

[QUOTE]

Sorry, i was being a little sarcastic with the term co-piloted, but it was in regard to the time when David was talking a lot about how the Chinese were working hand in hand with the Aliens to stop us (the US) from destroying the world basically.




Ok, bro, thanks for your explanation.




Like i did say, i do appreciate the man's work and effort but I don't understand how he can just jump from issue to issue without every following up or finishing on the previous ones mentioned. Obviously, i understand that there's a lot going on right now, but you get my point. Why would someone go on and on about something, then just drop it completely?



The reason why it seems that Wilcock seems to jump from one issue to another is that the issues don't happen in an orderly, sequential order -- they are all happening at once and all over the place. The example of his three-part DIVINE INTERVENTION article got interrupted by the breaking MAJOR EVENT, plus the transcript that I sent to him to be published.


Then there's the several books that he's working on, the movie, all the emails that he handles (including ones from me, but I make an effort to send only need-to-send emails to him and no fluffy, BS emails), phone calls with his insiders ... and a life to live, time to force himself to relax, girlfriend to keep company, etc. How in the hell he manages all of that is beyond me.


Wilcock has to tap dance like those River Dance dancers all the time just to stay on top of things ... and, yet, things develop so fast that he cannot keep up. Too bad he was not born as a twin set of two Davids!





Don't forget (me included) one of the first steps to enlightenment is to leave judgment at the door!

we're all in it together.




Yup, well said!

[peace]

How would you define "cleaning up?" And what is your role in "cleaning up" the fourm? What qualifies you to "clean up" the forum? The "clean up" police are here everyone.

Cleaning up the forum...raising the vibration. Creating an environment where respect and sincere communication is of utmost importance.

I guess I feel qualified because my inner guidance leads me to this forum almost daily right now. So, I browse through the thread titles until one 'hits' me...post from the heart...and let the chips fall where they may.

I trust my process wholeheartedly.


Watch what you say or you may subject to psychological manipulation and torture at the hands of the "clean up crew."

I promise not to torture, Cartomancer. Unless that's your cup of tea. ;)

this is fair. i'm trying to be much more than, "don't trust this guy," as I was previously.
this op was carefully worded to not slam the guy. make a few simple statments and discuss.

i've been honest with you on every front. and asking others to explain me or where i'm coming from is silly. i've answered you politely.

[Unified Serenity]

my brother, i don't know if there is even a fight to be had.

just calmly call out the bogus info? call it out early? as respectfully as we can?

just be able to say, "see? it doesn't add up, it never does." ?

I often do call out these "sham" reports / interviews early and I and others like me get called "negative", "bitter", "Jealous" etc.. I lay out the reasons why I do not buy what is being sold in these interviews which usually has to do with no proof offered except "Trust me, I vetted him and vouch for him/ her". The information is always very positive (so far, I am waiting for some fear drama to crop up with no proof offered as well) and thus one would want to believe it. It is usually couched with some historic truths and facts, but what they are saying is not proven.

I think it comes down to people not being intimidated to speak their hearts and minds despite all the "believers" posting and chastising the non-believers for being blah blah blah. I also think there is the divide and conquer aspect of this to try to cause dissension. I am not saying that DW does not believe this stuff or whomever is doing the interview. They think the info is real, but they are being taken for a ride. The same can be said of some of the whistle blowers who are being fed disinfo. These forums are dangerous to the powerful elites. Free thinkers are often the first who need to be maligned, ridiculed, and shut up. I do not blame anyone for supporting the Drake info. I did in the early 90's. When it gets too much traction then we get a false flag event and arrests to point the finger at all who agreed with them and might want to cause trouble.

The best defense is a good open minded, non-aggressive conversation respecting everyone's right to speak. We each have to make up our own minds, but let me ask you if you believe them so much would you bet money on it? I mean is it worth a hundred dollar bet? Are you that sure of your guys story? No wiggling out. If "mass arrests" is said and it doesn't happen it cannot be change of story time. I am asking this hypothetically to get you to be honest in this and not just defend your first position.

Would you really put money on it? If one hundred is nothing to you, how about one hundred thousand? Make it something that will cost you to be wrong and then see how sure you are of so and so. We will get more of these stories to distract us, keep us chasing our tails, and arguing among ourselves.

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[Mozart]

1. I'm not slamming the guy. It's a prediction based on observation of what I think will happen.

6. Again. Everyone. Read the OP. This is just a thought on what I think will happen. If I recall there were dates given, but it might not have been by David. It's a lot of material and I could have that wrong, for that I apologize.




Peace ~

You clearly are a cool dude and I did understand the thrust of your OP, but I chose to focus on clearing up somethings about Wilcock, as he's a lightening rod for so many.


And I can totally understand the underlying energy of your OP of: I'll believe it when I see it. I'm there, too.


I am SO tired of hearing of great possibilities of events to unfold, then the damn things just don't happen, or are delayed, delayed and eff'n delayed. :frusty:


But something internally inside myself told to run with this mass arrest stuff, plus I have gotten lots of outside information that tells me that this stuff really will happen, so I'm trusting that and I sure as **** hope that my faith/trust in this process would not crash upon the hard rocks of reality like so many times before. I don't know if I can bear to have my hopes dash/trashed yet again.




7. Thank you again for the great post. Though I'm very tired of coming on here, and being called out, "well, what have you done?" I thought forums were to discuss. Anytime I do this, it's met with some hostility. You are a friend of his, I understand, I'd react the same and bear no ill will.



I'm really sorry if any hostile intent was construed to emanate from my "what have you done" part in my post, Peace. It was directed generally, not specifically to you, or to the OP; it was general. No hostile intent was intended. And each of us are playing our parts to play in this mass arrest drama, so even if you told just a few people about the mass arrest thing, then you will have played a positive part that will add a flame of light and hope to the many thousands of flames of light / hope that supports this whole mass arrest thing.

[Cartomancer]

I think David Wilcock is ruining his career and credibility by perusing these types of stories. I think people see what a charismatic person he is and want to feed him these things to ruin him. It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.

Additionally I have been reading a lot about St. Germain these days. Some of the accounts you see says that St. Germain created a "World Trust" way back in the 1700's that was designed to accrue interest and ultimately free the world from debt. Supposedly the funds can only be released in gold and the PTB keep blocking it. It was supposed to be released in 2000 but never was and instead we got 911.

Here's a link to the movie about St. Germain where this is stated in the last twenty minutes. All of this sounds strangely similar to what Fulford has been saying lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MCfTLzFMtg

I have trouble with funds and the accruing/collection of interest. Interest is wrong. If the agreements of these loans to the rulers of the world incuded interest, there is some logic, but we all know it is the people who paid the interest. If these funds have accrued our money then it is good we will be getting them back. From the moment global setlements take place and adjustments made, I never want to hear about money and interest having a relationship again. The Islamic banking system does without it so it is clear that a banking system does not need usury to operate, nor should it use it, IMO.

My comment about Islamic banking is to make an example of an usury free model and is not meant to be misconstued as suggesting the model to be followed. I know there are still misunderstandings about Islam for some and I do not wish to press any buttons.

Absolutely Modwiz, interest is lethal. It forces growth which inevitably leads to collapse. I suspect that's the main reason many religions (including Christianity) banned it. It's just another form of ponzi scheme, just slower.

It always causes great suffering in the end.

I agree with what you guys are saying about interest. I don't even necessarily believe this about St. Germain either. What I thought was odd was the similarities between what Fulford was saying and this possible occurrence of St. Germain establishing a trust. This whole story was developed long before Fulford began to say similar things. My thoughts were that this is where the whole concept came from in the first place.

St. Germain did indeed exist. There are records from the court of Louis XV and Fredrick the Great that he was associated with those royal entities. As a matter of fact Wilcock kind of reminds me of the characters of both St. Germain and Dr. John Dee in some respects. Both of these men wandered the royal courts of Europe gaining favor via alchemical and paranormal "skills" they possessed. In reality these men are the prototype of the modern intelligence service. It seems that "spooking the natives" is the same as it always was.

[StarDust]

To be fair to you, I'll get into that material a little more. I feel your comment is completely fair. We (I) do wade in the minutia a bit to much, eh? Sometimes it's hard to not get soaked.


Peace,

You seem like a very reasonable individual. I like the fact that you are able to minimize ego while listening to the perspective of another. Yes, it can be very hard not to "get soaked". That is why I'm very selective about which threads I read and even more so about the ones I respond to. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but few are worth engaging in. As you might have suspected, I'm only interested in the high level stuff which is why I'm particularly fond of David Wilcock, Drake, Inelia Benz and a few others.

I take all of their respective intel with a grain of salt and use my intuition to ferret out truth vs. fantasy. The fact of the matter is that there is a great deal of disinfo. out there and it is always up to the individual to listen to yourself when processing information. David Wilcock has always suggested that people draw their own conclusions. If one's conclusion is that everything will be "business as usual" then they are entitled to that perspective. It doesn't make it necessarily correct, but it is a perspective. How you may have reached that conclusion is another matter all together since peering into an alternate timeline is not easily accessed by most. This is where taking a gestalt approach is highly advised.

I'm a believer that the prophesy foretold by Nostradamus, Cayce, the Bible, Aztecs, Native American traditions, etc. were heeded which is why we are now on a peaceful timeline. Bear in mind that prophesy is merely a statistically probable outcome that can be changed provided that the collective consciousness chooses a different path. This is the process and I'm pleased to say that a benevolent path was chosen as reported by Inalia Benz. The fact that all of this info from David Wilcock, Drake, Bill Wood, etc. is consistent and is in tune with this process. And in that regard, I am particularly thankful to Wilcock and others for risking their lives to provide us with as much truth as is available.

Please keep in mind that what is of utmost importance is ascension of all Earth into 4D+. Perspective on this transition is a tricky task provided that even if things are transpiring as they have been reported by Wilcock and others, you may never hear about it. I don't think the MSM which has been controlled by the dark side will be the first to admit they are losing. They won't. They will cover up everything as best they can until the truth is so evident that they are laughed at, due to the fact that it is clear for all to see that they are spewing garbage.

From my perspective at the highest levels we are winning; and in the end that is all that matters. Everything else including who gets arrested and publicly shamed for a variety of dirty deeds are merely footnotes to the history of how Earth gained its Galactic Citizenship.

[Unified Serenity]

I keep feeling its all falling apart,

Like no matter what we do, it wont be enough, people have spent so long trying to hide behind the soft approach that we have lost our way,
We no longer concentrate on what is definitely going on.

We could have fought this but now people have been scared into thinking if they fight, they will fall into a "trap of darkness of the soul" by the new age media.
The new age media is telling us to by DVD's, sit around meditating, and not taking action.
Im all for the Love and Light but after everything is back in controll of the people, not before.

I am going to be careful in my reply and state up front that I am not advocating violent revolution. Violence will be met with violence and this is not 1776 where the militia is fighting with their Kentucky rifles and muskets King George who has only muskets. Are there enough people organized and sold out to a cause like a colony of ants attacking a much larger foe? That is the only way to fight the tyranny with violence. The fact is this is a spiritual battle and must be fought in spirit in one accord regardless of religous beliefs. We can agree that the tyranny of the elite must end. The abuse of men and women for a few to live as kings must end. We can come together in spirit, refuse to support big business, take all of our money out of their banks and create a safer system to bank like local banks and credit unions. Do NOT bank with the big boys. Buy locally, don't screw your neighbor when you barter, and build our own communities from the ground up.

Anyone who talks of violent overthrow of the government is breaking the law. They can be held without charges indefinitely without a lawyer or any communication with anyone because you are a terrorist. They put the laws in place to shut people up. It is my guess that any who are aware who do want violent revolution are also smart enough not to talk on a public forum where the government worms read every word and your emails and thus could detain you or begin harrassing you. I know for a fact patriots are in prison today by entrapment. They are shuttled from prison to prison so they cannot have court dates because they miss their notice of hearing while in transit. That's the game we are playing folks and as always anything I say is MY OPINION and I believe the things I say, otherwise I would be a shill. I state this because people seem to need to hear "In My Humble Opinion" and they also like to say things like, "You are a know it all" or "You always thing you are right" and that's ludicrous to me because I assume if you care enough to talk about something you won't be saying things you don't believe and thus everyone thinks they are right.

End of disclaimer

[pilotsimone]

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[hectorlca]

You’re probably right, peace. I appreciate Wilcock's work and all but he does seem to get a bit carried away with things in a way where he comes off being so sure of his info. I'm still waiting for the UFO's co-piloted by aliens and the Chinese to show up here in the US and Obama's "imminent disclosure" that he was going on about before he got into the whole 'financial tyranny' thing.

Yup. This is the gimmick. Write a couple of excessively long articles on how (insert alternative topic and alleged developments) are going to rock the world and change the world forever. Make predictions, with dates, pepper in a lot of self praise and irrelevant references to Edgar Cayce. Once the dates pass and nothing happens, start writing about another topic presenting it in a way that dwarfs the previous ones.

David is an excellent compiler of information from a lot of sources and writing a stupendous narrative that "ties it altogether". Channelings, interviews, documentaries, youtube videos etc...those are his high-level sources. His readers are taken for a ride because his writing 'resonates', and the only reason that it 'resonates' is because they've come in contact with this info somewhere else, it's in their subconscious and he ties it all nicely up for us to eat it up.

His writing is all in step with Mike Quinsey, Sheldan Nidle, Blossom Goodchild, Greg Giles...that's it. That's his gimmick.

[Unified Serenity]

To Hectorica


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[DeDukshyn]

Here's a story that may help even more ... Players playing the game and "fans" yelling out the plays they "should be making" from the stands ... lol .. same ol story, different participants ...

Out of all those that oppose David Wilcock here, how many of you have ready any of his books and scoured over his evidence and can bring some real opposition to the table? Which of you? I myself have not read any of his books, so I cannot say one way or another what his evidence entirely consists of. What I do know is that I have done my own research - read enough books and learned enough advanced sciences and advanced spirituality, and experienced enough variety of everything one could imagine to support my own ideas and beliefs. how many of these "fans" in the stands can even say they have done that?

While I don't agree with everything wilcock says -- there is much to his story, and we all have distractions. Who junks a car because the alternator is broken? The fool. My 2 cents -- keep things in perspective peoples. Planks in eyes complaining about specs in others' .. ;)

[StarDust]

Yes, the story and drama that we are going through on our Earth is SO HUGE and so complicated that most of us are missing the big picture of what is going on. I'm just stunned as to how many of us are missing the big picture, even those who are spiritual / awake, but that's ok, because there are enough of us who are doing our parts -- big and small -- that add up to a tsunami of truth and awakening that cannot be stopped.

Well stated. The ascension process is underway regardless of those who think they can achieve a different outcome. Arrests or not, the decision has been made and the dark side has lost the battle for Earth. I honestly think that it could have gone the other direction at some point, but now feel blessed to be witness to humanity choosing the benevolent path. David Wilcock and others have been essential to me by providing hope during periods where things seemed hopeless. This has been very helpful to transcend fear and anchor light energies when things seemed to be on the brink of insanity.

[GoodETxSG]

I believe DW is sincere in what he is reporting as are Drake and others. They either do have a direct line to some very high up and good sources or some very well orkistrated misinformation project designed to ruin their credibility’s. They have gone all in on their reports so I have to believe they are vetting these people with extreme care as they know what is at stake. They know that if they are being played that their credibility’s are blown to pieces. But they have the fortitude to forge ahead and take that chance based on the importance of the info. If true it is the biggest story in the last two millennium and a total shift for the Human race. I pray they are right and that these forces of darkness are about to be defeated. I have witnessed them close up and personal working for several banks and being in Intel. I am standing behind DW until there is a reason not to. We need for this info t be true. We need hope in this world of despair. If this is all true I will be proud that my children will grow up in a different age. These dark forces are not going to give up without a major fight like they suggest though. I believe they will scorch the earth in their retreat and knowing what the people will do to them once awakened and aware of this Luciferian group has done the last several hundred years... yea, they will bring Hell down if they go down. Quiet arrests and rounding up of these people is a leap of wishful thinking. But one can always hope can’t we?

[Chester]

I think David Wilcock is ruining his career and credibility by perusing these types of stories. I think people see what a charismatic person he is and want to feed him these things to ruin him. It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.

Additionally I have been reading a lot about St. Germain these days. Some of the accounts you see says that St. Germain created a "World Trust" way back in the 1700's that was designed to accrue interest and ultimately free the world from debt. Supposedly the funds can only be released in gold and the PTB keep blocking it. It was supposed to be released in 2000 but never was and instead we got 911.

Here's a link to the movie about St. Germain where this is stated in the last twenty minutes. All of this sounds strangely similar to what Fulford has been saying lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MCfTLzFMtg

Do not take this as a put down of the St. Germain information, but what makes that any different from Wilcock's and Fulford's and Drake's? I see it all as hopeful.

Also, I do not think Wilcock is too worried about his career, I think he is focused on everything he can do to free humanity. David is just another human like us, he'll follow wrong leads sometimes, he'll make predictions that don't happen when he says, he'll get scared when he gets a serious death threat but he is making one heck of an effort to do the right thing. So is Ben and so is Drake and so are many, many others.

Consider this - today Drake mentioned that two children of a high up military insider white hat were murdered by the cabal. Maybe its a lie but would it surprise any of us if it is true? Now, consider if it is true - then these things are real - dead real for folks who are putting their lives on the line. Careers? Try lives, the lives of their loved ones. This is all bigger than any of us, even our own children. It is about the future of humanity.

[Wind]

I think Bill's earlier opinion about David was right. He is a good guy but he is being played and since David has become a trusted "icon" in the alternative community that unfortunately means that also many gullible people are misguided.

[Chester]

I think David Wilcock is ruining his career and credibility by perusing these types of stories. I think people see what a charismatic person he is and want to feed him these things to ruin him. It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.

Additionally I have been reading a lot about St. Germain these days. Some of the accounts you see says that St. Germain created a "World Trust" way back in the 1700's that was designed to accrue interest and ultimately free the world from debt. Supposedly the funds can only be released in gold and the PTB keep blocking it. It was supposed to be released in 2000 but never was and instead we got 911.

Here's a link to the movie about St. Germain where this is stated in the last twenty minutes. All of this sounds strangely similar to what Fulford has been saying lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MCfTLzFMtg

I have trouble with funds and the accruing/collection of interest. Interest is wrong. If the agreements of these loans to the rulers of the world incuded interest, there is some logic, but we all know it is the people who paid the interest. If these funds have accrued our money then it is good we will be getting them back. From the moment global setlements take place and adjustments made, I never want to hear about money and interest having a relationship again. The Islamic banking system does without it so it is clear that a banking system does not need usury to operate, nor should it use it, IMO.

My comment about Islamic banking is to make an example of an usury free model and is not meant to be misconstued as suggesting the model to be followed. I know there are still misunderstandings about Islam for some and I do not wish to press any buttons.

Absolutely Modwiz, interest is lethal. It forces growth which inevitably leads to collapse. I suspect that's the main reason many religions (including Christianity) banned it. It's just another form of ponzi scheme, just slower.

It always causes great suffering in the end.

usury is abusery - no matter what regulations are in place, the shot callers will always take advantage

[learninglight]

Yes, the story and drama that we are going through on our Earth is SO HUGE and so complicated that most of us are missing the big picture of what is going on. I'm just stunned as to how many of us are missing the big picture, even those who are spiritual / awake, but that's ok, because there are enough of us who are doing our parts -- big and small -- that add up to a tsunami of truth and awakening that cannot be stopped.

Well stated. The ascension process is underway regardless of those who think they can achieve a different outcome. Arrests or not, the decision has been made and the dark side has lost the battle for Earth. I honestly think that it could have gone the other direction at some point, but now feel blessed to be witness to humanity choosing the benevolent path. David Wilcock and others have been essential to me by providing hope during periods where things seemed hopeless. This has been very helpful to transcend fear and anchor light energies when things seemed to be on the brink of insanity.

Hi StarDust

Can you please point me in the direction of where you get your information that 'the decision has been made and the dark side has lost the battle for Earth.' or this your opinion.

This new video by Max Igan is on Avolon already but imo i feel it well suited for this thread, its as truthful and honest a presentation of the REALITY of our situation, a must watch imo

Q0PykgS42wo

much love

[StarDust]

Hi StarDust

Can you please point me in the direction of where you get your information that 'the decision has been made and the dark side has lost the battle for Earth.' or this your opinion.

learninglight,

This perspective was first brought to my attention by Inelia Benz who stated that the collective consciousness of the planet made the decision to move into 4D+ sometime in 2010. This information was then reinforced by Bill Woods' interview with Kerry Cassidy (Project Camelot) when he stated that we are now locked into a benevolent timeline and that the negative timeline was no longer a viable option. And as a third source, albeit to a somewhat lesser degree, via David Wilcock through his dream analysis (over a much broader spectrum of time). The collective information from these three beings resonated very strongly within me; so you can say that the final confirmation came from myself via intuition

When something this important resonates so strongly within myself, I conclude that it is a truth for the collective. This is based upon my deep understanding of collective consciousness from my previous existance. Seeking to get a clear view of the big picture has been of great assistance to maintain certain vibratory frequencies necessary to complete the task at hand; since assisting in the transition by anchoring light energies is my primary purpose for volunteering to incarnate here at this time. I hope this peek into my process is of assistance to you in yours.

In service,

[learninglight]

Hi StarDust

Can you please point me in the direction of where you get your information that 'the decision has been made and the dark side has lost the battle for Earth.' or this your opinion.

learninglight,

This perspective was first brought to my attention by Inelia Benz who stated that the collective consciousness of the planet made the decision to move into 4D+ sometime in 2010. This information was then reinforced by Bill Woods' interview with Kerry Cassidy (Project Camelot) when he stated that we are now locked into a benevolent timeline and that the negative timeline was no longer a viable option. And as a third source, albeit to a somewhat lesser degree, via David Wilcock through his dream analysis (over a much broader spectrum of time). The collective information from these three beings resonated very strongly within me; so you can say that the final confirmation came from myself via intuition

When something this important resonates so strongly within myself, I conclude that it is a truth for the collective. This is based upon my deep understanding of collective consciousness from my previous existance. Seeking to get a clear view of the big picture has been of great assistance to maintain certain vibratory frequencies necessary to complete the task at hand; since assisting in the transition by anchoring light energies is my primary purpose for volunteering to incarnate here at this time. I hope this peek into my process is of assistance to you in yours.

In service,

Hi Stardust

No, i don't think this peek will be of any assistance to me, i have been there, read that, took what i found of value and dumped the rest, but thank you for the peek :)

Quote : Inelia Benz who stated that the collective consciousness of the planet made the decision to move into 4D+ sometime in 2010. This information was then reinforced by Bill Woods' interview with Kerry Cassidy (Project Camelot) when he stated that we are now locked into a benevolent timeline and that the negative timeline was no longer a viable option. And as a third source, albeit to a somewhat lesser degree, via David Wilcock through his dream analysis (over a much broader spectrum of time). The collective information from these three beings resonated very strongly within me; so you can say that the final confirmation came from myself via intuition

Umm if the collective consciousness of the planet made the above decision how come most of the billions living on it are still walking round with their heads in the sand?
How come when i speak to family, friends, neighbours whomever, they are utterly unaware of being a slave to the system in place let alone 'making a collective conscious decision to go to 4d!
As far as the negative timeline option goes, it is still very much an option, they will play this out right to end of the earth changes and hope to have complete control again once the dust settles. They have covered all eventuallities, they've been planning and doing it a very very long time, they plan ahead, a long way ahead which i assume you are aware.

I will partake no more as i feel my ego getting over worked, good luck in your service

much love

[StarDust]

learninglight,

The collective consciousness works at a subconscious level and does not require knowledge of the system at the conscious level to participate. You cast your energetic vote at some point although you do not likely have any conscious knowledge of it. You are free to believe or disbelieve what you will as that is your choice. Choosing to not acknowledge a process does not make it any less real. Take comfort in the fact that things are progressing just as they need to, to achieve the goal. My suggestion is to do your best to process your fear to raise your vibratory rate as best you can. This is required in the ascension process if you are ready to participate in harvest. If not, that is ok too; as you will have as much time as required to get to your final destination. After leaving the response late last night I thought to myself that I left out the most important source of all, "The RA Material". Within that wealth of knowledge you will find the formal process outlined with regard to how the ascension process works.

In essence, formal knowledge of the process is NOT required to achieve ascension. The requirements may sound simple. However, they are not easy to achieve. As per "The RA Material", one must achieve 51% service to other and approach/maintain a vibratory rate that one feels with what humans refer to as love. You are correct that MOST people on the planet do not meet this requirement. Recent estimates are that only 24% of incarnating human star seeds will graduate harvest during this time. But don't fear, there is no expiration date and many will achieve this process in their own time.

Please keep in mind that Earth is a rich place to gain experience that is not readily available elsewhere. There is accelerated learning here that can be nearly impossible to learn in the etheric realms. By agreeing to incarnate on 3D Earth, all inhabitants including myself are required to enter the "vail of forgetting" regardless of which dimension or numerous lives one has spent here or elsewhere. There are no guarantees and even extra dimensionals run the risk of not waking up from the vail and getting lost within the incarnational cycles of this realm.

This is why most people "are still walking round with their heads in the sand" as you put it. Again, formal knowledge of how Earth as a school or it's systems of power/politics/manipulation are NOT required to achieve ascension. This is what you have been lead to believe, but trust me when I say that all the knowledge you have acquired with regard to the system makes for a good campfire story, but is most likely trapping you in fear which is precisely what the dark side wants. They feed upon that energy like vampires in the night. Knowledge of conspiracies provide for an interesting narrative, but are no more essential to achieving ascension than knowledge of quantum physics at a galactic level.

As Mozart so aptly pointed out, the benevolent side has a vast array of beings contributing in many ways. By some estimates there are between 70-100 Million ET/ED's who have volunteered to incarnate at this time to help with the ascension process. This does not take into account other ET/EDs who are here to witness/assist in other ways as Drake and others have alluded. Not all will see the high level operations at hand. But that is OK, for everything is preceding forward as was predicted by the ancients. The process is underway, and there is virtually nothing that the 3D negatives (or in some cases 4- or 5- beings) can do to stop the ascension process for Gia. As mentioned in a previous post, just because you can't see or quantify something doesn't mean that it isn't happening.

I wish you the best in your process and hope in the end that you feel blessed to be a part of all this. It truly is splendid even if it will take you a bit to reach the mountain top to see the view. Do your absolute best to be good to yourself and others. Live in love and let the process unfold as it is meant to be.

In service,
SD

[Cartomancer]

The original intent of this thread was "a prediction about David Wilcock." Instead it denigrated into a debate over his legitimacy. Let's be fair to the man since there is a definite split in those who believe and those who don't. Let's revisit this thread in three months time and see what has changed. June is only a couple of weeks away and this is when the SHTF according to what Drake is saying. We'll give him a buffer zone of a few extra months for difficulties and SNAFU's Then we can sort out the reasons why/why not. Gracias.

[Cartomancer]

I think David Wilcock is ruining his career and credibility by perusing these types of stories. I think people see what a charismatic person he is and want to feed him these things to ruin him. It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.

Additionally I have been reading a lot about St. Germain these days. Some of the accounts you see says that St. Germain created a "World Trust" way back in the 1700's that was designed to accrue interest and ultimately free the world from debt. Supposedly the funds can only be released in gold and the PTB keep blocking it. It was supposed to be released in 2000 but never was and instead we got 911.

Here's a link to the movie about St. Germain where this is stated in the last twenty minutes. All of this sounds strangely similar to what Fulford has been saying lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MCfTLzFMtg

Do not take this as a put down of the St. Germain information, but what makes that any different from Wilcock's and Fulford's and Drake's? I see it all as hopeful.

Also, I do not think Wilcock is too worried about his career, I think he is focused on everything he can do to free humanity. David is just another human like us, he'll follow wrong leads sometimes, he'll make predictions that don't happen when he says, he'll get scared when he gets a serious death threat but he is making one heck of an effort to do the right thing. So is Ben and so is Drake and so are many, many others.

Consider this - today Drake mentioned that two children of a high up military insider white hat were murdered by the cabal. Maybe its a lie but would it surprise any of us if it is true? Now, consider if it is true - then these things are real - dead real for folks who are putting their lives on the line. Careers? Try lives, the lives of their loved ones. This is all bigger than any of us, even our own children. It is about the future of humanity.

I agree with you about the St. Germain information. I feel he was the "David Wilcock" of his day. This is why I brought it up. I don't see him being any more or less legit. It is a fact he did exist and many speculate he was an intelligence gatherer or spy who was able to woo people using his vast knowledge of the occult and science. Hey, St. Germain is considered an "Ascended Master." If I'm comparing Wilcock to him this should make his fans happy. I'm amazed that not many here know of St. Germain but know every word said on David Wilcock's broadcasts. Bravo to you for being aware of this man. This man and many others like him have existed in the same role as Wilcock for centuries.

[peace]

:grouphug:
The original intent of this thread was "a prediction about David Wilcock." Instead it denigrated into a debate over his legitimacy. Let's be fair to the man since there is a definite split in those who believe and those who don't. Let's revisit this thread in three months time and see what has changed. June is only a couple of weeks away and this is when the SHTF according to what Drake is saying. We'll give him a buffer zone of a few extra months for difficulties and SNAFU's Then we can sort out the reasons why/why not. Gracias.

GOOD CALL!!

Though I love the respect everyone is maintaining, the original idea is not whether you are for or against. It's about what I think is going (or not going) to happen based on his history.

And to be noted again, I like the idea of him raising awareness, but maybe much, much, much bigger things are going on and this is all really nothing (kind of proving my points as well, I suppose).

I still don't like the "this is big, earth changing stuff, reported by me" - but I am, newly and freshly, with the help of others here, trying to voice my opinion with much more respect.

Honesty time here: I have been horrible towards his info in the past. Disrespectful and rude to others. This is the first forum I've really participated in. I came in just saying what I thought, with no regard. I'm working on this and will continue to.

This is by no means a, "let's not talk about this anymore," so if we still want to debate the legitimacy of the OP, by all means ... :cantina:

[Mozart]

The original intent of this thread was "a prediction about David Wilcock." Instead it denigrated into a debate over his legitimacy. Let's be fair to the man since there is a definite split in those who believe and those who don't.




Cartomancer ~


I plead guilty to this diversion of this thread onto Wilcock and not the original intent of the OP. Sorry. And I knew that I was doing so, but I posted anyway.


For some laughs, here are some links to lists of EPIC FAILS of numerous end-of-the-world prophecies:


http://www.rense.com/general53/endt.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/harold-camping-predicts-end-of-the-world-again/

http://www.ranker.com/list/the-12-greatest-end-of-the-world-prophecy-fails/ivana-wynn

[frozen alchemy]

Thanks to everyone for their information and thoughts. I agree that waiting a few weeks to a few months is certainly not too much to ask in the big picture. I'm wondering where everyone thinks the news will be coming in from; the same people who have posted the predictions, or where exactly? I presume not CNN and Fox... :) Will it be obvious or still rather obscure and uncertain?

I'm sorry if my posts here seem on the negative side of things. I've been getting deceived and lied to since 1963 and at this point, I'm downright cynical even though I have direct evidence of what would be considered paranormal occurrences to most people.

So will the revolution/evolution/ascendance be televised or?

[we-R-one]

I am comforted by reports from Inelia Benz and others that the process of planetary ascension is unstoppable at this time. Mass arrests and other measures within the justice system are merely footnotes to a much grander story. Everything is transpiring precisely as it should…that is the larger picture from this ED's perspective.



BINGO!


Yes, the story and drama that we are going through on our Earth is SO HUGE and so complicated that most of us are missing the big picture of what is going on. I'm just stunned as to how many of us are missing the big picture, even those who are spiritual / awake, but that's ok, because there are enough of us who are doing our parts -- big and small -- that add up to a tsunami of truth and awakening that cannot be stopped.


And the events that will transpire shortly -- the mass arrests, et. al. -- pale compared to the events that will happen at the end of 2012 (and up to the end of 2013) with the ascension event happening ... and THAT event is THE key event that we are building up towards; everything now is just a prelude to THAT event that will happen at either the end of 2012 or within one year from that (per the timetable of the Ra Material of the ascension happening from the end of 2011 to the end of 2013).






I know I'm behind on many threads, but I had to ressurect this one as I wanted to thank Mozart for this long and well thought post #52 , in which I'm only capturing a small portion due to it's length.

For anyone who finds themselves in the public eye, judgment is often harsh and for David it's quite evident by some of the posts I've read on this forum that he is frequently criticized. I was lucky enough to attend his Convergence conference in Denver last summer.......I'm so grateful for his work and efforts especially his newly released book Sourcefield Investigations. David provided me with the missing link for what I all ready knew existed. He gave me the vocabulary and frame of reference that I was lacking along with the scientific studies that prove why I was able to do some of things I could do metaphysically. Since I was a child I have exhibited many special abilities that are attributed to Star Seeds, but unfortunately I had no way to describe what I was doing. The only word I could think of was that I was accessing energy. Thanks to David's work in Sourcefield, that void has now been filled. When I read some of the negative posts I have to wonder if the poster missed a lot of his messages. Their comments are very telling to me as to where they're at in their spirituality growth cause I don't think they'd be saying some of the things that they were if they truly understood. Mabye I'm wrong, but just an observation. I'm not judging anyone as we are all at different levels in the soul evolution process. I just don't see how you can overlook the science that David has brought forth that proves/explains what Sourcefield is and how it works. It doesn't matter that some of these studies have been around and previously discovered...it's the fact that he lays it out in a manner that pretty much anyone can understand and it's all in one source.

One thing I've observed when dealing with this kind of information, is that everyone learns differently. So one person can describe the perceived perception in one manner and not reach some of the audience while another might say the same thing, but take a different approach and reach those that the other couldn't, so this could be case as to why some don't "get it."

But I have to agree Mozart, the ascension event is really the story to be watching and I'm surprised there isn't more focus on that....I realize we have to wade through all the mass arrest b.s. before we get to the good stuff. But I have to be honest, all this 3rd dimensional drama that's being carried out is starting to bore me.....most likely that comes from several of my past lives placing me during Renaissance periods......I'm all about the rebirth, so all I can think about is bring it on!

[peace]

hate to bump my own thread, but looks like a date or deadline has been established.

:bump::sorry:

[RMorgan]

hate to bump my own thread, but looks like a date or deadline has been established.

:bump::sorry:

Hey mate,

No worries! These guys deadlines are very flexible! I´m so sure about that!

Once this event doesn´t happen in the correct date, they will just come up with another date, then if it doesn´t happen again, they will come up yet with another date, forever and ever and ever!

And....Some people will always buy it!

What a show!

Cheers,

Raf.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

hate to bump my own thread, but looks like a date or deadline has been established.

:bump::sorry:

Hey mate,

No worries! These guys deadlines are very flexible! I´m so sure about that!

Once this event doesn´t happen in the correct date, they will just come up with another date, then if it doesn´t happen again, they will come up yet with another date, forever and ever and ever!

And....Some people will always buy it!

What a show!

Cheers,

Raf.


Like this you mean?


http://nationalmortgageprofessional.com/sites/default/files/images/Blogger-Chasing-Carrot.jpg

FGRTdWIuR-U

[RMorgan]

Exactly, Bryn! These images/videos illustrate it perfectly!

[jackovesk]

My prediction is David Wilcock will .......... ...... .......?

[varuna]

It's called hope seantimberwolf...hope that things could be better than this, that's why so many people engage with it. I really like Wilcock and avidly read all his reports....but there is an aspect of me that still distances itself from it all in case it isnt true and doesnt happen...I hope I'm wrong.

[Mozart]

Here's a post from the Ben Fulford Cafe forum that I think that is spot-on.

I sent a copy to David and he appreciated the insight from the post from "philavox".

The paste of the post is in the quote box below, to wit:



David Wilcock is walking a razor wire attempting to balance his online persona with his deeper purpose.

Without a doubt, his feet are bloodied by the tension, especially at this late hour.

At a very young age, David recognized his fate, embraced it, and never looked back.

He’s been living almost exclusively online ever since, where he has come of age.

Maybe coming of age on the internet isn’t all that it seems….

Even so, David’s fate may very well be to suffer precisely the character imbalances people accuse him of — while using them all the while to complete his mission.

It’s too late for David to ‘grow up’ and somehow ‘lose the ego’.

It may be precisely these very qualities that drive him to do his work as well as he does. (And much — not all — of what David does is very, very good.)

David knows that he has given himself an impossible job this lifetime, and is willing to make himself play the utter fool (at times) in order to simply complete it.

If David was 60 years old and wise to the world, he might know better than to get himself into his present situation, and just let someone else do it for him.

But at 39, he’s still young enough to exhaust himself trying.

Look at the dude. He’s unstoppable.

He literally lives his dreams.

He takes huge risks — of character, and of fate. And he suffers the consequences of taking those risks, and not necessarily knowing how to best manage the outcomes from one moment to the next.

When he received his death threat, his tears weren’t tears of weakness or of dying.

He was overwhelmed precisely at the thought that he might be pumped up with LSD and his psyche shattered and rearranged.

He felt that as a distinct reality, and knew it could happen to him. And in terror of that…he lost his ****, like any thinking, feeling human being would.

To flog David online like a human pinata is a little too easy, especially given his output and the quality of his effort and intention.

There’s a lot to be said for trying to understand how our flaws and our gifts work together, for better and for worse.

I think that David is so given-over to his mission that he lost his polite, personable perspective about himself a long time ago.

In David’s view, I think that it is more important for him to risk being seen as the ego-inflated and endlessly self-appropriating fool…and Get The Word Out…than to put a lid on his passion and act like a charitable philosopher beyond his years.

It’s a messy job. Very messy.

Karmically, David is working alone at the bottom of a mountain of burning ****.

At some very real level, he takes personal responsibility for the situation Earth and humanity are in.

Maybe it is this deep psycho-karmic wound that his arrogance is but a compensation for, and reverse reflection of.

If so, what David needs to know is not how much people hate his arrogance, but that we can understand the impossible burden he has given himself:

To be born yet again onto this near-dead rock, and face himself in ways probably none of us can truly imagine…

while being publicly reviled for his imperfections.

Comment by philavox on April 4, 2012 @ 10:16 am

[transiten]

A post incredibly mature and full of insight and compassion! Thanks a lot.

[Debra]

A post incredibly mature and full of insight and compassion! Thanks a lot.

You said it, Sister!

[peace]

Here's a post from the Ben Fulford Cafe forum that I think that is spot-on.

I sent a copy to David and he appreciated the insight from the post from "philavox".

The paste of the post is in the quote box below, to wit:



David Wilcock is walking a razor wire attempting to balance his online persona with his deeper purpose.

Without a doubt, his feet are bloodied by the tension, especially at this late hour.

At a very young age, David recognized his fate, embraced it, and never looked back.

He’s been living almost exclusively online ever since, where he has come of age.

Maybe coming of age on the internet isn’t all that it seems….

Even so, David’s fate may very well be to suffer precisely the character imbalances people accuse him of — while using them all the while to complete his mission.

It’s too late for David to ‘grow up’ and somehow ‘lose the ego’.

It may be precisely these very qualities that drive him to do his work as well as he does. (And much — not all — of what David does is very, very good.)

David knows that he has given himself an impossible job this lifetime, and is willing to make himself play the utter fool (at times) in order to simply complete it.

If David was 60 years old and wise to the world, he might know better than to get himself into his present situation, and just let someone else do it for him.

But at 39, he’s still young enough to exhaust himself trying.

Look at the dude. He’s unstoppable.

He literally lives his dreams.

He takes huge risks — of character, and of fate. And he suffers the consequences of taking those risks, and not necessarily knowing how to best manage the outcomes from one moment to the next.

When he received his death threat, his tears weren’t tears of weakness or of dying.

He was overwhelmed precisely at the thought that he might be pumped up with LSD and his psyche shattered and rearranged.

He felt that as a distinct reality, and knew it could happen to him. And in terror of that…he lost his ****, like any thinking, feeling human being would.

To flog David online like a human pinata is a little too easy, especially given his output and the quality of his effort and intention.

There’s a lot to be said for trying to understand how our flaws and our gifts work together, for better and for worse.

I think that David is so given-over to his mission that he lost his polite, personable perspective about himself a long time ago.

In David’s view, I think that it is more important for him to risk being seen as the ego-inflated and endlessly self-appropriating fool…and Get The Word Out…than to put a lid on his passion and act like a charitable philosopher beyond his years.

It’s a messy job. Very messy.

Karmically, David is working alone at the bottom of a mountain of burning ****.

At some very real level, he takes personal responsibility for the situation Earth and humanity are in.

Maybe it is this deep psycho-karmic wound that his arrogance is but a compensation for, and reverse reflection of.

If so, what David needs to know is not how much people hate his arrogance, but that we can understand the impossible burden he has given himself:

To be born yet again onto this near-dead rock, and face himself in ways probably none of us can truly imagine…

while being publicly reviled for his imperfections.

Comment by philavox on April 4, 2012 @ 10:16 am


This is a great post, backing someone and showing loyalty. I love that people still do this; much like you, mozart. Caring for people is truly a dying art.

I am guilty of making a pinata out of Mr. Wilcock in previous posts and threads and am trying very hard not to with this thread.

But the fact that we have a date is very interesting to me, per the OP. As things happen I may bump my own thread, if no one else does, just to keep it fresh.

But I don't have a stick ready to whack the pinata, I assure you.

[mountain_jim]

hate to bump my own thread, but looks like a date or deadline has been established.

:bump::sorry:

I try to keep up with events and claims and transcripts in all these threads, but apparently not well enough - what or where is the 'established' date/deadline? I assume not the statement on page 4 from Law Of One material I assume....

[peace]

hate to bump my own thread, but looks like a date or deadline has been established.

:bump::sorry:

I try to keep up with events and claims and transcripts in all these threads, but apparently not well enough - what or where is the 'established' date/deadline? I assume not the statement on page 4 from Law Of One material I assume....

hi, i got the deadline from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44596-Bill-Ryan-WILL-eat-his-hat-guaranteed.

[peace]

bump again:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44978--Divine-Intervention--ETs-Defeating-the-Old...

looks like there's a prediction about us being saved per the OP.

I'm really am a fan of the user "mozart" on here, please feel no hate coming from me; we just disagree on all this.

1. So, looks like we'll be saved by benevolent ets (and my prediction says some of our own guys) here towards zero hour.

2. Now where are the mountains of documents? I've heard about them a lot, and if Mr. Wilcock is going to start really pushing on this it's time to show some of the evidence off. Make us believers, because if this stuff is true, I can't wait.

The problem is: none of this will come to pass.

[peace]

bump again, another date.

Mods: If you could change to a prediction about Wilcock/Drake, it'd be much appreciated.

[goinghome2012]

David Wilcock knows the end of time is near, he is just confident, he is knowing, wake up people in denial, this reality is going bye bye soon

What do you think would happen in the Shift of the ages, just a consciousness shift, yeah right, it will be profound. this event happens every 26,000 years. prepare for the void transition

spread the peace and love and truth

[peace]

hi goinghome,

nice to meet you. i disagree, but hope this finds you well!

[goinghome2012]

hi goinghome,

nice to meet you. i disagree, but hope this finds you well!

blessings to you, pleasure to exchange

we are all going home, embrace omega point, i can feel it, 3d is over, we are going up the ladder

precision of the equinoxes

[9eagle9]

I'm always impressed by these dates given by people who claim to be working in 'timeless' places.

If there's not time where you get your information from, where did you get the date?

[goinghome2012]

hi goinghome,

nice to meet you. i disagree, but hope this finds you well!

what is your take on it?

[goinghome2012]

I'm always impressed by these dates given by people who claim to be working in 'timeless' places.

If there's not time where you get your information from, where did you get the date?

dec 21, 2012 to march 23, 2013 omega point, the last tier of the pyramid

the capstone to enlightenment

there is nothing to do, just be love and peace

solar flare? dimensional shift?

it is all falling apart, can't you see

[Doctor]

I keep feeling its all falling apart,

Like no matter what we do, it wont be enough, people have spent so long trying to hide behind the soft approach that we have lost our way,
We no longer concentrate on what is definitely going on.

We could have fought this but now people have been scared into thinking if they fight, they will fall into a "trap of darkness of the soul" by the new age media.
The new age media is telling us to by DVD's, sit around meditating, and not taking action.
Im all for the Love and Light but after everything is back in controll of the people, not before.

This is how I've been feeling as well. We all try so hard to be peaceful and soft that it's doesn't seem to get us anywhere. More than likely, we need to have a more aggressive, yet positive approach. I have yet to read the rest of this thread but I wanted to respond to this before I forgot.

[9eagle9]

I can see its a bunch of BS.

[goinghome2012]

I can see its a bunch of BS.

what is a bunch of bs?

the prophecies of the end of the world?

the ascension process?

or the end of time/dimensional shift into a new world?

the prophecy of the Golden Age

[Anchor]

there is nothing to do

What do you mean by this?

Of course there are things to do.

Everything you do is a thing to do.

Specifically: choosing to do one thing or another.

Can you explain?

[goinghome2012]

there is nothing to do

What do you mean by this?

Of course there are things to do.

Everything you do is a thing to do.

Specifically: choosing to do one thing or another.

Can you explain?

Since the Fall into 3d many thousands of years ago, many incarnations and many journey's, experiences, finally we are going home.

We have done it all!!!!, we have experienced everything, done it all, it is finished. many incarnations from insect, plants, animals and humans of various experiences.

Just focus on being the love and light and empower yourself. We are oneness with the universe. we are about to graduate and become universal creators of God.

Finally the Precision of the Equinox/ omega point is upon us, the shift of the ages.

we deserve it, that is why we are here

peace

[Anchor]

Just focus on being the love and light and empower yourself.

Color me a nitpicker, and it wont be the first time I got accused of this ;)

Just so you realize exactly where I am coming from, you are saying that there are things to do, and you just stated one of those things.

This is NOT a waiting game. Its a game of making choices and being responsible for the outcomes.

You would probably agree with me when I say that the choices that bring the highest joy and happiness are the ones to go for.

[Mulder]

I know everyone who says "The battle has been won" & We're just waiting for "Mass Arrests", etc. like Bill Brockbrader & Wilcock are people I cannot believe as this is a pipe dream. The very people control most Police, Laws & Courts and have diplomatic immunity! It will not play out like Wilcock says.

[goinghome2012]

I know everyone who says "The battle has been won" & We're just waiting for "Mass Arrests", etc. like Bill Brockbrader & Wilcock are people I cannot believe as this is a pipe dream. The very people control most Police, Laws & Courts and have diplomatic immunity! It will not play out like Wilcock says.

not unless we get a magnetic reversal, no magnetics means no memory and on top of that a solar flare hits us, Goodbye control freaks and welcome freedom. I love the universe!!!!

[9eagle9]

You love the universe but believe the world is going to end...

hmmmm.

The world should end ....but it probably won't.

[goinghome2012]

You love the universe but believe the world is going to end...

hmmmm.

The world should end ....but it probably won't.

oh i'm sure it will, Mother Gaia needs to purify before she births a new reality. The white hats and ets can't hold the dam much longer,

something has got to give

How can this world last much longer running on oil, coal and nuclear energy?

i love the universe, i love momma Earth and i love my Cosmic Father and i love myself and i love my family and when he, the sun burps say good bye to the war machine and the slave system. Cosmic cycles come and go and I will be so happy because i will know most of the suffering will have ended.

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

[Tane Mahuta]

Do not judge the messenger... but the content of the message or the belief.

Do your research peeps, the more you learn through research, a picture emerges.

The dots start connecting. Keep what resonates, discard what does'nt

nuff said

TM

[9eagle9]

Does the universe want the world to end?

Or perhaps all our illusions to come down. Those illusions that constitute world building--our artificial reality.

People don't want to let go of their illusions so chances are not going to happen anytime soon.

As demonstrated here. We can't let go of the notion that DW was shat from God's ass to be a light wave emissary although all evidence tells us otherwise. This is the world that people create for themselves and taking a cursory look around it seems they are maintaining this illusion pretty well for themselves.

[ulli]

You love the universe but believe the world is going to end...

hmmmm.

The world should end ....but it probably won't.

oh i'm sure it will, Mother Gaia needs to purify before she births a new reality. The white hats and ets can't hold the dam much longer,

something has got to give

How can this world last much longer running on oil, coal and nuclear energy?

i love the universe, i love momma Earth and i love my Cosmic Father and i love myself and i love my family and when he, the sun burps say good bye to the war machine and the slave system. Cosmic cycles come and go and I will be so happy because i will know most of the suffering will have ended.

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

When a cycle ends there could be a party, (or not) and maybe a few New Cycle resolutions, (or not) to last a few weeks.....
other than that it's just like all seasonal changes.
The going home thing could be a personal indicator...if I were you I would check my health.

[SilentFeathers]

Even the start and end dates of this 26,000 yr cycle is questionable, seems more cosmic events happened on 12-21-2010 (eclipse, alignments etc) than will happen on 12 -21-2012.... but we are told 12-21-2012 is the start/end dates no matter what and believe it????? based exactly on what???? a person(s) interpretation of the Mayan calendar? What if the deluge, catastrophe, cold period of around 10 to 12 thousand years ago or so, that we actually have bits and pieces of evidence saying it probably did happen, is a clue that big changes happen in the center of the cycle and not at the end start period of the cycle?

hmmm? so many questions.....yet so many answers too :)

[peace]

swing and a miss;

ANOTHER DATES COMES AND GOES.

[goinghome2012]

Does the universe want the world to end?

Or perhaps all our illusions to come down. Those illusions that constitute world building--our artificial reality.

People don't want to let go of their illusions so chances are not going to happen anytime soon.

As demonstrated here. We can't let go of the notion that DW was shat from God's ass to be a light wave emissary although all evidence tells us otherwise. This is the world that people create for themselves and taking a cursory look around it seems they are maintaining this illusion pretty well for themselves.

what could force us to realize that this reality is an illusion, what will it take, a magnetic reversal, a solar flare, consciousness shift or the passing of the void

[goinghome2012]

You love the universe but believe the world is going to end...

hmmmm.

The world should end ....but it probably won't.

oh i'm sure it will, Mother Gaia needs to purify before she births a new reality. The white hats and ets can't hold the dam much longer,

something has got to give

How can this world last much longer running on oil, coal and nuclear energy?

i love the universe, i love momma Earth and i love my Cosmic Father and i love myself and i love my family and when he, the sun burps say good bye to the war machine and the slave system. Cosmic cycles come and go and I will be so happy because i will know most of the suffering will have ended.

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

When a cycle ends there could be a party, (or not) and maybe a few New Cycle resolutions, (or not) to last a few weeks.....
other than that it's just like all seasonal changes.
The going home thing could be a personal indicator...if I were you I would check my health.

my health is perfect, i detox my liver twice a year, when i say going home, i say going home to the heart, the kingdom of God is within. i am hoping something happens from now and until March 2013 because I am a little tired. it is a knowing that we are about to graduate and leave this reality behind.

[9eagle9]

Are people ignorant of that through force or choice?



Does the universe want the world to end?

Or perhaps all our illusions to come down. Those illusions that constitute world building--our artificial reality.

People don't want to let go of their illusions so chances are not going to happen anytime soon.

As demonstrated here. We can't let go of the notion that DW was shat from God's ass to be a light wave emissary although all evidence tells us otherwise. This is the world that people create for themselves and taking a cursory look around it seems they are maintaining this illusion pretty well for themselves.

what could force us to realize that this reality is an illusion, what will it take, a magnetic reversal, a solar flare, consciousness shift or the passing of the void

[Hervé]

[...]

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

Everyday, every minute, clocks around the world strike their twelve strokes indicating the end of a cycle and the start of a new one... imagine if one's belief attached "something significant" to each twelfth stroke of each clock round that world... "something significant" every consecutive minute all around this planet ad infinitum....

Who said there's to be "something significant" at the beginning or end of the solar system clock? On which clock? The daily, yearly, precessional, galactic or galactic cluster clock? First of all where is that beginning or end on that whatever clock? Therefore, who even knows what's the current time on that clock!? It might be 16,365.2531414 for all I know.

Especially considering that the main events of significance have been MAN/ETmade (Atlantis, Maldek/Marduk. asteroid belt).

Now, that anniversaries of these events as determined by similar sky configurations would affect the human psyche... I would concur.

Other than that:

It's just a f*cking clock as much as the so-called Mayan calendar is not more than a mere f*cking calendar!

:flock: Tick-tock, tick-tock....

[9eagle9]

You inspired me Amzer Zo.

Galactic Cluster F**k Clock.

That about sums it up.

Pendulum swings back and forth, f*ck , feck, f*ck, feck.




[...]

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

Everyday, every minute, clocks around the world strike their twelve strokes indicating the end of a cycle and the start of a new one... imagine if one's belief attached "something significant" to each twelfth stroke of each clock round that world... "something significant" every consecutive minute all around this planet ad infinitum....

Who said there's to be "something significant" at the beginning or end of the solar system clock? On which clock? The daily, yearly, precessional, galactic or galactic cluster clock? First of all where is that beginning or end on that whatever clock? Therefore, who even knows what's the current time on that clock!? It might be 16,365.2531414 for all I know.

Especially considering that the main events of significance have been MAN/ETmade (Atlantis, Maldek/Marduk. asteroid belt).

Now, that anniversaries of these events as determined by similar sky configurations would affect the human psyche... I would concur.

Other than that:

It's just a f*cking clock as much as the so-called Mayan calendar is not more than a mere f*cking calendar!

:flock: Tick-tock, tick-tock....

[goinghome2012]

[...]

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

Everyday, every minute, clocks around the world strike their twelve strokes indicating the end of a cycle and the start of a new one... imagine if one's belief attached "something significant" to each twelfth stroke of each clock round that world... "something significant" every consecutive minute all around this planet ad infinitum....

Who said there's to be "something significant" at the beginning or end of the solar system clock? On which clock? The daily, yearly, precessional, galactic or galactic cluster clock? First of all where is that beginning or end on that whatever clock? Therefore, who even knows what's the current time on that clock!? It might be 16,365.2531414 for all I know.

Especially considering that the main events of significance have been MAN/ETmade (Atlantis, Maldek/Marduk. asteroid belt).

Now, that anniversaries of these events as determined by similar sky configurations would affect the human psyche... I would concur.

Other than that:

It's just a f*cking clock as much as the so-called Mayan calendar is not more than a mere f*cking calendar!

:flock: Tick-tock, tick-tock....

when the clock stops, what happens?, that is the question everyone wants to know

[Unified Serenity]

[...]

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

Everyday, every minute, clocks around the world strike their twelve strokes indicating the end of a cycle and the start of a new one... imagine if one's belief attached "something significant" to each twelfth stroke of each clock round that world... "something significant" every consecutive minute all around this planet ad infinitum....

Who said there's to be "something significant" at the beginning or end of the solar system clock? On which clock? The daily, yearly, precessional, galactic or galactic cluster clock? First of all where is that beginning or end on that whatever clock? Therefore, who even knows what's the current time on that clock!? It might be 16,365.2531414 for all I know.

Especially considering that the main events of significance have been MAN/ETmade (Atlantis, Maldek/Marduk. asteroid belt).

Now, that anniversaries of these events as determined by similar sky configurations would affect the human psyche... I would concur.

Other than that:

It's just a f*cking clock as much as the so-called Mayan calendar is not more than a mere f*cking calendar!

:flock: Tick-tock, tick-tock....

when the clock stops, what happens?, that is the question everyone wants to know

You put a new lithium battery in it and start a new timeline.

[goinghome2012]

[...]

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

Everyday, every minute, clocks around the world strike their twelve strokes indicating the end of a cycle and the start of a new one... imagine if one's belief attached "something significant" to each twelfth stroke of each clock round that world... "something significant" every consecutive minute all around this planet ad infinitum....

Who said there's to be "something significant" at the beginning or end of the solar system clock? On which clock? The daily, yearly, precessional, galactic or galactic cluster clock? First of all where is that beginning or end on that whatever clock? Therefore, who even knows what's the current time on that clock!? It might be 16,365.2531414 for all I know.

Especially considering that the main events of significance have been MAN/ETmade (Atlantis, Maldek/Marduk. asteroid belt).

Now, that anniversaries of these events as determined by similar sky configurations would affect the human psyche... I would concur.

Other than that:

It's just a f*cking clock as much as the so-called Mayan calendar is not more than a mere f*cking calendar!

:flock: Tick-tock, tick-tock....

when the clock stops, what happens?, that is the question everyone wants to know

You put a new lithium battery in it and start a new timeline.

i love a new reboot of the matrix, dimensional shift here we come.

[9eagle9]

Again I don't plan my future based on someone elses emotional reactions. Which in this case don't seem to be yours but Sylvia Brownes.






You love the universe but believe the world is going to end...

hmmmm.

The world should end ....but it probably won't.

oh i'm sure it will, Mother Gaia needs to purify before she births a new reality. The white hats and ets can't hold the dam much longer,

something has got to give

How can this world last much longer running on oil, coal and nuclear energy?

i love the universe, i love momma Earth and i love my Cosmic Father and i love myself and i love my family and when he, the sun burps say good bye to the war machine and the slave system. Cosmic cycles come and go and I will be so happy because i will know most of the suffering will have ended.

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

When a cycle ends there could be a party, (or not) and maybe a few New Cycle resolutions, (or not) to last a few weeks.....
other than that it's just like all seasonal changes.
The going home thing could be a personal indicator...if I were you I would check my health.

my health is perfect, i detox my liver twice a year, when i say going home, i say going home to the heart, the kingdom of God is within. i am hoping something happens from now and until March 2013 because I am a little tired. it is a knowing that we are about to graduate and leave this reality behind.

[goinghome2012]

Again I don't plan my future based on someone elses emotional reactions. Which in this case don't seem to be yours but Sylvia Brownes.






You love the universe but believe the world is going to end...

hmmmm.

The world should end ....but it probably won't.

oh i'm sure it will, Mother Gaia needs to purify before she births a new reality. The white hats and ets can't hold the dam much longer,

something has got to give

How can this world last much longer running on oil, coal and nuclear energy?

i love the universe, i love momma Earth and i love my Cosmic Father and i love myself and i love my family and when he, the sun burps say good bye to the war machine and the slave system. Cosmic cycles come and go and I will be so happy because i will know most of the suffering will have ended.

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

When a cycle ends there could be a party, (or not) and maybe a few New Cycle resolutions, (or not) to last a few weeks.....
other than that it's just like all seasonal changes.
The going home thing could be a personal indicator...if I were you I would check my health.

my health is perfect, i detox my liver twice a year, when i say going home, i say going home to the heart, the kingdom of God is within. i am hoping something happens from now and until March 2013 because I am a little tired. it is a knowing that we are about to graduate and leave this reality behind.

i am not reacting to any emotions, just stating a knowing, omega point approaches, Wilcock is correct, the end of time is close, a magnetic pole shift, a certainty

[Rocky_Shorz]

lol end of time? isn't this the same teacher that says time isn't a reality?

amazing things are going on in all of us right now, but we aren't leaving this rock with little wings...

we aren't going to walk through a mirror into a new reality...

nope, when I wake up 6 months from yesterday it will just be another birthday barefoot on the beach...

what is happening is Spirits are opening up communications between each other

people will no longer be able to lie, because the thoughts come before words...

every day a new adventure...

[Unified Serenity]

Again I don't plan my future based on someone elses emotional reactions. Which in this case don't seem to be yours but Sylvia Brownes.






You love the universe but believe the world is going to end...

hmmmm.

The world should end ....but it probably won't.

oh i'm sure it will, Mother Gaia needs to purify before she births a new reality. The white hats and ets can't hold the dam much longer,

something has got to give

How can this world last much longer running on oil, coal and nuclear energy?

i love the universe, i love momma Earth and i love my Cosmic Father and i love myself and i love my family and when he, the sun burps say good bye to the war machine and the slave system. Cosmic cycles come and go and I will be so happy because i will know most of the suffering will have ended.

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

When a cycle ends there could be a party, (or not) and maybe a few New Cycle resolutions, (or not) to last a few weeks.....
other than that it's just like all seasonal changes.
The going home thing could be a personal indicator...if I were you I would check my health.

my health is perfect, i detox my liver twice a year, when i say going home, i say going home to the heart, the kingdom of God is within. i am hoping something happens from now and until March 2013 because I am a little tired. it is a knowing that we are about to graduate and leave this reality behind.

i am not reacting to any emotions, just stating a knowing, omega point approaches, Wilcock is correct, the end of time is close, a magnetic pole shift, a certainty

And when December 21, 2012 comes and goes with no dimensional time shattering soul changing effects will you eat your hat too? Just wondering.

[goinghome2012]

Again I don't plan my future based on someone elses emotional reactions. Which in this case don't seem to be yours but Sylvia Brownes.






You love the universe but believe the world is going to end...

hmmmm.

The world should end ....but it probably won't.

oh i'm sure it will, Mother Gaia needs to purify before she births a new reality. The white hats and ets can't hold the dam much longer,

something has got to give

How can this world last much longer running on oil, coal and nuclear energy?

i love the universe, i love momma Earth and i love my Cosmic Father and i love myself and i love my family and when he, the sun burps say good bye to the war machine and the slave system. Cosmic cycles come and go and I will be so happy because i will know most of the suffering will have ended.

well one of those cycles is coming to a close soon, it happens every 26,000 years, so if you think nothing significant will happen, then keep being ignorant like the rest of the sheeple in the world.

When a cycle ends there could be a party, (or not) and maybe a few New Cycle resolutions, (or not) to last a few weeks.....
other than that it's just like all seasonal changes.
The going home thing could be a personal indicator...if I were you I would check my health.

my health is perfect, i detox my liver twice a year, when i say going home, i say going home to the heart, the kingdom of God is within. i am hoping something happens from now and until March 2013 because I am a little tired. it is a knowing that we are about to graduate and leave this reality behind.

i am not reacting to any emotions, just stating a knowing, omega point approaches, Wilcock is correct, the end of time is close, a magnetic pole shift, a certainty

And when December 21, 2012 comes and goes with no dimensional time shattering soul changing effects will you eat your hat too? Just wondering.

i guess i'll eat something, but not my hat. to be honest with you, i am hoping and wishing something will happen. there are so many people predicting some miraculous event either enlightenment, three days of darkness, magnetic pole shift, solar flare, world earthquake around this date. I am wondering why so many intelligent people saying the same thing around this timeline. I have a knowing that yes something will happen because we deserve more, we have been through a lot. Heaven on Earth here we come.

peace

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Has anyone else noticed a similarity between David Wilcock and Adrian Veidt?

http://images.zap2it.com/images/movie-178016/watchmen-38.jpg

"I don't mind being the smartest man in the world, I just wish it wasn't this one." -Adrian Veidt

[Unified Serenity]

Goinghome, I can feel your yearning for a better and more just world. We are being set up to want a monumental change. I have spoken of this fact in other threads. Little by little through the years, and I do mean many hundreds and thousands of years, areas have been taken over. Kings have risen and made agreements with other powerful kings and queens. There have been advancements in society that allowed the people to have more free time to think and focus on spiritual things. Those movements too have been consolidated. It's a lot easier to manage a large region and one or two religions than hundreds and thousands of little fiefdoms.

It's taken many years to get control of the earth, and part of that was to push one religion over another. It was to consolidate land masses into less groups and used nationality to do so. Now, imagine they built things up like one big all inclusive building that people lived in and managed their lives. Oh, there might be a few of these buildings, and it's worked for a while, but now they want everyone in one big building and the question comes up "How do we get them to want to leave their homes and way of life ?"

It's simple, we make them more and more uncomfortable. We split them up and drive wedges between the once harmonious people. We promote anarchy and lawlessness, drugs, debauchery, and we let the building go unrepaired. We start fires and leave it damaged, and just like a slum lord who wants to tear down a once great building to put up a new commercial plaza worth a LOT more, he makes that building so uncomfortable that the tenents jump at the chance to move into his new and "better" building.

That is all that we are seeing folks. The once hearty and proven method of unification under Christianity (they took that over too, so yeh, I'll bash it in general) became a stumbling block that needed to be torn down. They put in bad ministers, they made sure to mock and ridicule christians and jews and muslims because these monotheistic groups will not do in the new building. No, we must be all inclusive and we must embrace a new religion, the Green mother Earth religion. We must distrust our governments and business. We must not have community spirit and togetherness, and little by little we are now fractured, hurting and wanting nay, demanding a change, and they are about to give it to us with the help of David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Enviromental guru's and new age alien channelling cohorts.

The once anti-murder anti-death penalty crowd is now embracing that to grow as a whole some of the people need to be exterminated, and that's ok, because they will just continue their journey in another dimension or come back here once they are illuminated with the truth and understand how right David Wilcock and those like him truly are. Yes, wholesale murder because you don't buy what they are selling, and the vast majority will embrace it in a gooey eyed trance state of Hail Mother Earth and Father Sun.

[9eagle9]

If David predicts the world is going to end soon, then I can emphatically know that ...it won't.

[Unified Serenity]

Change some names, but look at the plan, kill 25 million people who can't be re-educated. These same groups who are earth first, green peace, sierra club, left leaning show their real intentions. They are happy to bring about the new age via death:

VlN2t0oERHk

[9eagle9]

To be very honest, given how dumb people are its getting really hard for me to stay out of that place. I'm not talking about the ignorant, downtrodden victims of their society but people who are well and truly informed or at least have access to being informed about 'certain matters' of the world, and still insist on playing in their own feces.

Honestly its a HARD place for me not to go to and just say , 'Okay just stick your neck in the noose your playing with' and its something I struggle with everyday if I'm not alternating between "they know not what they do' and "oh boy, I want to climb up in a tree with a rifle myself right now.'

And yes a lot of this ****e is just a loaded gun, but after a while you get tired of telling people not to hold the gun up to their own head and have them squealing about its their right to play with loaded guns, and you are dissing thier belief system about their right to play with loaded guns on one hand then moaning about the lack of gun control laws on the other.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people but not all guns are hard caliber weapons that go 'bang'.

[goinghome2012]

If David predicts the world is going to end soon, then I can emphatically know that ...it won't.

David is not the only one

how about all these guys, George Kavissilas, Drunvalo M , Santos B, Graham Hancock, Pane Anevov, James Horak, John Moore, Princess from Japan talking about three days of darkness, void shift. They all tell similar stories of end times.

I have encountered a shaman leader from Cusco, Peru who has ancient knowledge and wisdom from the White brotherhood, he states there will be a magnetic pole shift soon.

I have met another man who channels Ascended Master St. Germaine, he says a pole shift is in our horizon and our coastlines will be flooded. He know lives in Calgary.

the weather is strange, the sun is hotter, the magnetic poles are shifting, earthquakes, volcanoes, mass bird and fish die offs, marine mammals beaching themselves, strange migration of birds, ufo sightings, crop circles, underground bases,

[goinghome2012]

Change some names, but look at the plan, kill 25 million people who can't be re-educated. These same groups who are earth first, green peace, sierra club, left leaning show their real intentions. They are happy to bring about the new age via death:

VlN2t0oERHk

why the need to kill 25 million people just because they are capitalists? wouldn't it be easy to integrate North America into a socialist utopia by implementing free energy tesla technology into our communities and provide people with land and home for free to grow own food and be self sufficient.

[Unified Serenity]

Change some names, but look at the plan, kill 25 million people who can't be re-educated. These same groups who are earth first, green peace, sierra club, left leaning show their real intentions. They are happy to bring about the new age via death:

VlN2t0oERHk

why the need to kill 25 million people just because they are capitalists? wouldn't it be easy to integrate North America into a socialist utopia by implementing free energy tesla technology into our communities and provide people with land and home for free to grow own food and be self sufficient.

I think you missed the point. Those who will not let go of their ideologies are to be killed. Which can be said another way, "Those who are not ready to ascend or transform into the new system will be executed, and these are people who believe in we are all one, and get rid of the elites." Those who believe it's best for mankind to move forward via such death are no better than the lowest murderer.

[9eagle9]

My fate is not in their hands just because they say so.... I have a lot of respect for George but basically I have to go buy what I know. ...a magnetic pole shift does not equal end of world. Inconvenienced world perhaps, but not end of world. Strange things happen to me all the time....I don't automatically think its the end of the world though. If I don't meddle in things or assign values to them they tend to turn out for the better....




If David predicts the world is going to end soon, then I can emphatically know that ...it won't.

David is not the only one

how about all these guys, George Kavissilas, Drunvalo M , Santos B, Graham Hancock, Pane Anevov, James Horak, John Moore, Princess from Japan talking about three days of darkness, void shift. They all tell similar stories of end times.

I have encountered a shaman leader from Cusco, Peru who has ancient knowledge and wisdom from the White brotherhood, he states there will be a magnetic pole shift soon.

I have met another man who channels Ascended Master St. Germaine, he says a pole shift is in our horizon and our coastlines will be flooded. He know lives in Calgary.

the weather is strange, the sun is hotter, the magnetic poles are shifting, earthquakes, volcanoes, mass bird and fish die offs, marine mammals beaching themselves, strange migration of birds, ufo sightings, crop circles, underground bases,

[goinghome2012]

Change some names, but look at the plan, kill 25 million people who can't be re-educated. These same groups who are earth first, green peace, sierra club, left leaning show their real intentions. They are happy to bring about the new age via death:

VlN2t0oERHk

why the need to kill 25 million people just because they are capitalists? wouldn't it be easy to integrate North America into a socialist utopia by implementing free energy tesla technology into our communities and provide people with land and home for free to grow own food and be self sufficient.

I think you missed the point. Those who will not let go of their ideologies are to be killed. Which can be said another way, "Those who are not ready to ascend or transform into the new system will be executed, and these are people who believe in we are all one, and get rid of the elites." Those who believe it's best for mankind to move forward via such death are no better than the lowest murderer.

but why execute them, why not heal with love, hypnotherapy, transformation spiritual camps or even magic mushrooms

Love heals

[9eagle9]

Random Execution is ignorant okay? I mean there is not a integrated person on earth who cannot in all integrity, but in full ignorance, determine who gets to live and die because they are making a horrendous agreement on their own that will haunt them one day.

Ignorant people are not defining my reality and that is it. My reality, my word, my foot down, my authority. Understood? Good. You're reality is yours to deal with the best way you know how. It may not be the optimal way and mine not be either but it is MY way, my determination not what some yarking yahoo says.

They are not capable of higher love, not CAPABLE, of it. In the grand of arrangement of the universe everything belongs somewhere , you can't heal without agreement and they are not agreeing to it--you 'encourage' them to go back to where they belong. If they don't you stick them back where they belong. Where ever that place may be.

An excorcist understands that parasticial energies are best treated without assigning judgements-. Saying that one needs to be healed is a judgement on it's own and one just gets sucked back into the game again. Treat it as if its something in the wrong place at the wrong time.

People like to hit the reset button on the DVD player when the DVD skips, but it doesn't fix the DVD.

[we-R-one]

Random Execution is ignorant okay? I mean there is not a integrated person on earth who cannot in all integrity, but in full ignorance, determine who gets to live and die because they are making a horrendous agreement on their own that will haunt them one day.

Ignorant people are not defining my reality and that is it. My reality, my word, my foot down, my authority. Understood? Good. You're reality is yours to deal with the best way you know how. It may not be the optimal way and mine not be either but it is MY way, my determination not what some yarking yahoo says.

They are not capable of higher love, not CAPABLE, of it. In the grand of arrangement of the universe everything belongs somewhere , you can't heal without agreement and they are not agreeing to it--you 'encourage' them to go back to where they belong. If they don't you stick them back where they belong. Where ever that place may be.

An excorcist understands that parasticial energies are best treated without assigning judgements-. Saying that one needs to be healed is a judgment on it's own and one just gets sucked back into the game again. Treat it as if its something in the wrong place at the wrong time.

People like to hit the reset button on the DVD player when the DVD skips, but it doesn't fix the DVD.

I think the best way to heal others is by healing oneself. By focusing our own energy on love and forgiveness through emotional clearing of one's own baggage, we in essence heal others through the collective conscious process that takes place when the masses finally understand and implement this type of thought process on a grandeur scale. There is no need for judgment and those that aren't capable of carrying the love and light will no longer be able to handle the paradigm shift as the higher frequencies of the new reality will no longer feel comfortable or be compatible to those who operate within the lower realms, so in time they will fade out or choose to leave on their own. We spend so much judging one another rather than focusing on ourselves from within. Just my 2 cents.

[9eagle9]

Self healing is the only way. the only real thing that we have control over, the only thing we've been given to manage, is ourselves.

People who can't manage themselves are not managing me.

[we-R-one]

People who can't manage themselves are not managing me.

True, but then you have to be careful with that comment because now you're judging and how one person manages themself doesn't necessarily mean what they're doing is wrong, it just means that it might not necessarily work for your individual needs as we are all on different levels in the game of soul evolution.

[9eagle9]

It's not a judgement its an observation.

A judgement would be 'the idiots who can't manage themselves' are not managing me.

[peace]

looks like there's another date, this time june 22-28.

don't hold your breath!

this one is based on, "don't worry, the good et's are going to make sure everythings o.k." and i'm sure they won't have a bit of proof to show for just what the et's did to save the day.

ugh.:gaah:

[peace]

Back out of "retirement" and wondering if I should bump this one last time to see if there's any updates?
:wizard:

[Chip]

We need to appreciate the wlcocks and the Ickes. They are the infants of our expansion that have the guts to come out with new ideas.
I believe as time passes we will come to understand their contributions for the advancement in our awareness of our OWN evolution.
We need to stop being afraid. Think of them as the "Edison's" of the new paradigm.
At least they are thinking forward.

[Chester]

Its my opinion that people who have problems with anyone who for the most part actually care about the world we hand to our children and get off their butt and try and do something about it in a clearly positive way and with some courage are good folk. David Wilcock is good folk.

[peace]

Its my opinion that people who have problems with anyone who for the most part actually care about the world we hand to our children and get off their butt and try and do something about it in a clearly positive way and with some courage are good folk. David Wilcock is good folk.
Well said.

[peace]

seems it's all over.

go on over to divinecosmos.com and read for yourself how it finally has ended.

seems the dude was deceived.

seems nothing happened.

seems like the world has kept spinning.

seems like another grandiose bit of info has come and gone with no strong data.

seems like a lot of people put a lot of time into his info.

seems like a waste of time and energy to spend on a lot of nothing in the end.

seems like maybe, just maybe, it might be time to stop listening.

before you shut this down, mods, and say it's a slam, or rude, or flaming: people talk bad about the cabal, political figures or famous people of all types all the time, sighting names, websites etc. and are practically cheered. this has been something created to show this info gets people no where.

It has served it's purpose and should not be locked, because as time goes on, the coming and going of information and the nothing happening of "divinecomos" info should be able to be documented.

Seems in the spirit of this place anyway. Whether this is an "un-thanked" or "unliked" idea, it is proving valid.

EDIT:
you know what? i don't care anymore. never mind. do whatever you want.

happy holidays all.

[Chester]

it seems you were right, peace - good job. In addition, I like the way your present your view - it doesn't seem to be filled with uncontained emotion. Thanks for being here...

I have used Avalon as a place to depsychologicalize as much as possible from my direct experience with a Horus-Ra entity and once I achieved a state where I had undone my karma (and a vast amount of my own self deception), I began to share the process I used to achieve my Spirit's freedom (which in truth is ultimately selfish of me to do).

I like the peace I feel in your posts. Good that someone lives up to their avatar.

I think folks that get caught up in the limelight get caught up in having to live up to something that eventually leads them to a monster crash upon the rocks of reality.

Strangely though, I predict Wilcock will gather himself as before, resurrect once again and spin up the ascension something along the lines that we have moved into 4D and that only our anti-life shadow self reflections have remained in that 3D world we once inhabited. Will that work? Hummm, maybe I can contact hi agent and see if they are seeking some new script writers?

I can use a few bucks from royalties... nah, I like what I do now better... which is nothing but clowning around in the clown show.

"peace" on earth and good will to all women and men

[RMorgan]

I can´t wait to hear what excuses Mr."ascension2000" , Mr. "The Hidden Science and Lost Civilizations Behind the 2012 Prophecies" will invent, now that 12 years later, his ascension predictions failed again.

[DeDukshyn]

Wow, look at all the investment in being "right" here!! Pretty high on some peoples "value" list eh?

First it was Wilcock being "right", then the haters needed their time to be "right" -- the same disease afflicting both accused and accuser?! ;) ;) Give it some thought, and search for what really makes you unique in this world -- and try expressing that. My 2 cents ;)

For those who are preparing their rebuttal to my comment --the appearance of someone being "wrong" is not the disease. The need to expressing being more "right" than others, is. ;)

[RMorgan]

Wow, look at all the investment in being "right" here!! Pretty high on some peoples "value" list eh?

First it was Wilcock being "right", then the haters needed their time to be "right" -- the same disease afflicting both accused and accuser?! ;) ;) Give it some thought, and search for what really makes you unique in this world -- and try expressing that. My 2 cents ;)

For those who are preparing their rebuttal to my comment --the appearance of someone being "wrong" is not the disease. The need to expressing being more "right" than others, is. ;)

Well, in my opinion, there´s no need to express being right in this case; It has become obvious.

Anyway, there´s nothing wrong with being right.

I know it sounds childish to tell "I told you so"...So I wont say it. There´s no need for it, not anymore.

Cheers,

Raf.

[DeDukshyn]

Wow, look at all the investment in being "right" here!! Pretty high on some peoples "value" list eh?

First it was Wilcock being "right", then the haters needed their time to be "right" -- the same disease afflicting both accused and accuser?! ;) ;) Give it some thought, and search for what really makes you unique in this world -- and try expressing that. My 2 cents ;)

For those who are preparing their rebuttal to my comment --the appearance of someone being "wrong" is not the disease. The need to expressing being more "right" than others, is. ;)

Well, in my opinion, there´s no need to express being right in this case; It has become obvious.

Besides, there´s nothing wrong being right.

I know it sounds childish to tell "I told you so"...So I wont say it. There´s no need for it.

Cheers,

Raf.

Yet you did .. and did it again just now ... free yourselves of your afflictions my friends ... do you not see it is the exact same energy that you hate in Wilcock?? Exactly the same .. as you perceive, so shall you be ...my 2 cents ;)

But I think you are seeing this now ... all good ...

BTW something did happen on the 20th / 21st ... ask around ;) It was very subtle, but it did happen. Welcoming a new way for 2013, let's work together and make our dreams come true!

[SilentFeathers]

He'll (Wilcock) just move on to the next "Big Date" and start all over again. I doubt if he'll focus much on 12-21-2012 anymore :)

I'm sure there are many that still support him either way, he's a likable dude!

That's my "best guess"....

[DeDukshyn]

He'll (Wilcock) just move on to the next "Big Date" and start all over again. I doubt if he'll focus much on 12-21-2012 anymore :)

That's my "best guess"....

Free yourself from the affliction (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43911-A-prediction-about-Wilcock&p=604154&viewfull=1#post604154) my friend ... it is a single affliction that affects us all ... yet we point it out in others and fail to see it in ourselves ... sigh, earth lessons are not that hard. Feeling "better" than others and being "right" are Satan's' and the elites games ... please stop playing ... my 2 cents ;)

Addition:

A friend of mine once told me, "ever notice how some people need to make other peoples lights dimmer? It is because they don't know how to make their own brighter."

[SilentFeathers]

He'll (Wilcock) just move on to the next "Big Date" and start all over again. I doubt if he'll focus much on 12-21-2012 anymore :)

That's my "best guess"....

Free yourself from the affliction my friend ... it is a single affliction that affects us all ... yet we point it out in others and fail to see it in ourselves ... sigh, earth lessons are not that hard. Feeling "better" than others and being "right" are Satan's' and the elites games ... please stop playing ... my 2 cents ;)

Addition:

A friend of mine once told me, "ever notice how some people need to make other peoples lights dimmer? It is because they don't know how to make their own brighter."

I simply posted a thought, a guess.

I didn't target Wilcock in such a way as you rudely targeted me.

...your judgments/accusations towards me are unnecessary....

[DeDukshyn]

He'll (Wilcock) just move on to the next "Big Date" and start all over again. I doubt if he'll focus much on 12-21-2012 anymore :)

That's my "best guess"....

Free yourself from the affliction my friend ... it is a single affliction that affects us all ... yet we point it out in others and fail to see it in ourselves ... sigh, earth lessons are not that hard. Feeling "better" than others and being "right" are Satan's' and the elites games ... please stop playing ... my 2 cents ;)

Addition:

A friend of mine once told me, "ever notice how some people need to make other peoples lights dimmer? It is because they don't know how to make their own brighter."

I simply posted a thought, a guess.

I didn't target Wilcock in such a way as you rudely targeted me.

...your judgments/accusations towards me are unnecessary....

Perhaps, and I judge not. I'm not sure who your target was then, :confused: Thanks for participating, nonetheless ;)

[Fred Steeves]

Well, I'm compelled to invoke one of my all time favorite sayings here, just some food for thought:

Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about events. Small minds talk about people.

[PathWalker]

One more useless threads, did not find here any information that enlighten nor educate.

Go for the next drama.

[Mozart]

Wow, Fred. That's a great way to put it. It's worth repeating here.


Great minds talk about ideas.


Average minds talk about events.


Small minds talk about people.

[SilentFeathers]

Yeap, all these people that mislead people and spread disinfo (intentionally or not) shall just get a free pass.....By all means don't speak about them no matter what! If you do you'll be labeled as a small minded person! LOL!!!!

[DeDukshyn]

Yeap, all these people that mislead people and spread disinfo (intentionally or not) shall just get a free pass.....By all means don't speak about them no matter what! If you do you'll be labeled as a small minded person! LOL!!!!

We could talk about things that enliven people, about things that bring joy to peoples hearts, about things that really matter and things that will bring real change to this earth ... yes we could indeed ... we could ... I suppose if we wanted to ...

[peace]

Hey everybody,
Thanks for all the contributions.

All of them, I mean it.

I often wonder what would happen or what I would say if in a room alone with David. It certainly makes me rethink a few of the things I've said here anonymously.

I reckon I'd shaken his hand, say thanks, then we'd get after it debate style. I'd love the opportunity. Nothing major just some time alone. As I've said 100 times in either this thread, or others: he's probably a great dude. He's just very misleading. A lot of folks by his brand, and again, nothing happens when he scares them into a frenzy or works them up. Yes, scares.

The point of this whole thread what not an attack on his personality. It was on his information. THAT'S IT.

Not about I'm right, he's wrong.

HIS NAME IS OUT THERE, MINE ISN'T. HIS REPUTATION IS ON THE LINE, MINE ISN'T. HE'S BRAVER THAN ME IN THAT REGARD, FOR SURE, AND DESERVES SOME RESPECT.

And that's coming from me, a keyboard warrior.

Again. This was a challenge to information. Not the man. Ive done that before, and had the mods shut me down, as they should have. I was disrespectful and rude.

So I figured I'd try this way. But as usually happens I'm passive aggressively attacked, called small minded, etc. etc. because of the challenge I present to the information of a hero. No biggie. Again. AGAIN;

NOT AN ATTACK ON HIM. HIS INFO.

But again, thanks to all for checking the thread out.

[peace]

Wow, Fred. That's a great way to put it. It's worth repeating here.


Great minds talk about ideas.


Average minds talk about events.


Small minds talk about people.


Passive aggressive nonsense.

But I like it.

Just wish it wasn't directed at me. You might read the op again or post 149. Or don't.

[DeDukshyn]

Wow, Fred. That's a great way to put it. It's worth repeating here.


Great minds talk about ideas.


Average minds talk about events.


Small minds talk about people.


Passive aggressive nonsense.

But I like it.

Just wish it wasn't directed at me. You might read the op again or post 149. Or don't.

That statement has no direction. It just is. That is what gives its appeal. ;)

[RMorgan]

Yeap, all these people that mislead people and spread disinfo (intentionally or not) shall just get a free pass.....By all means don't speak about them no matter what! If you do you'll be labeled as a small minded person! LOL!!!!

I totally agree, mate.

Besides, the thing about using famous quotes is that they are extremely misleading without knowing their original context.

People totally have the right to talk about public persons. We can talk about presidents, about bankers, about generals and, of course, about alternative media celebrities.

The thing about being a public person, is that people will remember everything you say, including every promise, and people will go after you if you´re not capable of keeping your word.

In David Wilcock´s case, I admit. I never liked the man. Since the first time I put my eyes on him, I knew he wasn´t being honest.

My instincts were gradually being confirmed as accurate, after a while.

First, there was his ascension2000 website, in which he claimed to be in touch with ETs who where saying that ascension would happen in the Y2K.

Then he claimed to be Edgar Cayce´s reincarnation, claiming in one of his books that even the people from ARE (Edgar Cayce´s association) where impressed with his resemblance with Edgar, while, in fact, ARE has methods to confirm if someone is Cayce´s reincarnation and they publicly state that no one could answer even one of the many secret questions left by Cayce himself so far. ARE seriously deny that Cayce has reincarnated, since they have means to find out when a supposed reincarnation is legit or not.

Then, he insists on this ascension thing on 21/12/2012; He even wrote a bestselling book about it, called "The Source Field Investigations: The Hidden Science and Lost Civilizations Behind the 2012 Prophecies"....Well, he failed again.

He was also all over that Drake/mass arrests fiasco as well...

So, in my opinion, David Wilcock is either delusional or a victim of some sort of mind control program, or he´s simply a very professional conman that has conned the alternative community BIG TIME.

He´s the one who is destroying his reputation (if he ever had one), all by himself, by the way.

Anyway, it´s normal to be wrong.People make mistakes.

However, when the very foundation of your work is repeatedly wrong, again and again, it becomes a completely different thing. Since he´s a public person, people have the right to ask questions and to be suspicious.

I don´t know how laws work up there in the US, but here in my country, he certainly could be prosecuted for embezzlement and fraud, which basically means to earn money by deliberately and repeatedly selling lies to goodhearted people.

[Chester]

Wow, Fred. That's a great way to put it. It's worth repeating here.


Great minds talk about ideas.


Average minds talk about events.


Small minds talk about people.

Great idea!

[Chester]

Hey everybody,
Thanks for all the contributions.

All of them, I mean it.

I often wonder what would happen or what I would say if in a room alone with David. It certainly makes me rethink a few of the things I've said here anonymously.

I reckon I'd shaken his hand, say thanks, then we'd get after it debate style. I'd love the opportunity. Nothing major just some time alone. As I've said 100 times in either this thread, or others: he's probably a great dude. He's just very misleading. A lot of folks by his brand, and again, nothing happens when he scares them into a frenzy or works them up. Yes, scares.

The point of this whole thread what not an attack on his personality. It was on his information. THAT'S IT.

Not about I'm right, he's wrong.

HIS NAME IS OUT THERE, MINE ISN'T. HIS REPUTATION IS ON THE LINE, MINE ISN'T. HE'S BRAVER THAN ME IN THAT REGARD, FOR SURE, AND DESERVES SOME RESPECT.

And that's coming from me, a keyboard warrior.

Again. This was a challenge to information. Not the man. Ive done that before, and had the mods shut me down, as they should have. I was disrespectful and rude.

So I figured I'd try this way. But as usually happens I'm passive aggressively attacked, called small minded, etc. etc. because of the challenge I present to the information of a hero. No biggie. Again. AGAIN;

NOT AN ATTACK ON HIM. HIS INFO.

But again, thanks to all for checking the thread out.

I would ask him if accessing one's higher self results in their transcendence of the need to be involved with the enforcement systems created by the PTBs.

I would then ask him if accessing the higher self should be exclusive to those who pay specific teachers for the lessons on how so to do.

I would then ask him if teachers should become acclaimed teachers in part by becoming one of the leading cheerleaders against the PTBs.

I would then ask if a teacher's process should be granted protection by the systems and laws created by the PTBs and used by the PTBs regarding other processes, most of which have the purpose of preventing most of us from accessing this same higher self.

I would then ask if is still comfortable with his openings to each of his 4 videos in his 4 part series "Accessing Your Higher Self"

I would then ask him if he found anything contradictory in how he rationalizes producing those openings.

I would then seek a mirror and ask him to look square into it and tell me, honestly, if he can reconcile what he sees in that mirror with one who teaches access to the higher self in that most students would suspect he had actually done so.

Then I would ask if he wanted another bong hit.

[Chester]

You nailed it Raf - "Public People" are fair game.

and this -
So, in my opinion, David Wilcock is either delusional or a victim of some sort of mind control program, or he´s simply a very professional conman that has conned the alternative community BIG TIME.

You nailed the three possibilities.

Bammo

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

So, anyone heard from Wilcock lately?

Just checked his website and forum; Everything is suspiciously quiet there.

Cheers,

Raf.

[foreverfan]

Wow, Fred. That's a great way to put it. It's worth repeating here.


Great minds talk about ideas.



Average minds talk about events.


Small minds talk about people.

Mozart... you Bozo.... :)
Wait... does this mean I have a small mind? :cool:

[kooky]

I think a lot of people will be quiet for a while. Things are quiet, dates have come and gone, a lot of subjects like the UFO subject has died away, no more planets supposedly coming into contact with us. They will all come back though.


You'll see all your favourite characters again at some point, the Bob Dean and Jordan Maxwell, Hoagland, Dolan, Wilcock. It just takes time for stories to develop. I'm sure at some point in 2013 there will be a supposed alien invasion or something or some kind of catastrophe. Like any good actors, they just need a good script to work off and right now there is no script until someone makes one up but when it happens..........boy oh boy strap yourself in for some hour long interviews and books you can buy on the subjects and seminars you can go to at the big conferences. You'll be kept busy for a few days lol.

[araucaria]

Wow, Fred. That's a great way to put it. It's worth repeating here.


Great minds talk about ideas.



Average minds talk about events.


Small minds talk about people.

Mozart... you Bozo.... :)
Wait... does this mean I have a small mind? :cool:

You are beginning to get the idea...

(Minds don't talk)

[peace]

I think a lot of people will be quiet for a while. Things are quiet, dates have come and gone, a lot of subjects like the UFO subject has died away, no more planets supposedly coming into contact with us. They will all come back though.


You'll see all your favourite characters again at some point, the Bob Dean and Jordan Maxwell, Hoagland, Dolan, Wilcock. It just takes time for stories to develop. I'm sure at some point in 2013 there will be a supposed alien invasion or something or some kind of catastrophe. Like any good actors, they just need a good script to work off and right now there is no script until someone makes one up but when it happens..........boy oh boy strap yourself in for some hour long interviews and books you can buy on the subjects and seminars you can go to at the big conferences. You'll be kept busy for a few days lol.

I like Dolan very, very much. No nonsense. Not afraid to go out on a limb. Presents good, solid data. Probably on the short list of brave men and women we should pay any attention to.

Imagine the talk Dolan and Wilcock would have ... I don't know if they jive, but my thoughts (veeerrry speculative here) would be Wilcock avoids Dolan like the plague. No idea though, they could be great buddies.

[peace]

Hey folks,

So, anyone heard from Wilcock lately?

Just checked his website and forum; Everything is suspiciously quiet there.

Cheers,

Raf.

Last I checked he was very upset for being lied to and mislead by a one of his contacts. Just another reason, of many, I think the info is suspect, as this has happened before.

And I understand how it could happen alot, but, he probably shouldn't go out pronouncing, "World shaking info, coming to you straight from our sources," if he secretly (admittedly) tape records conversations, and can't trust the people he shares info with.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Hey everybody,
Thanks for all the contributions.

All of them, I mean it.

I often wonder what would happen or what I would say if in a room alone with David. It certainly makes me rethink a few of the things I've said here anonymously.

I reckon I'd shaken his hand, say thanks, then we'd get after it debate style. I'd love the opportunity. Nothing major just some time alone. As I've said 100 times in either this thread, or others: he's probably a great dude. He's just very misleading. A lot of folks by his brand, and again, nothing happens when he scares them into a frenzy or works them up. Yes, scares.

The point of this whole thread what not an attack on his personality. It was on his information. THAT'S IT.

Not about I'm right, he's wrong.

HIS NAME IS OUT THERE, MINE ISN'T. HIS REPUTATION IS ON THE LINE, MINE ISN'T. HE'S BRAVER THAN ME IN THAT REGARD, FOR SURE, AND DESERVES SOME RESPECT.

And that's coming from me, a keyboard warrior.

Again. This was a challenge to information. Not the man. Ive done that before, and had the mods shut me down, as they should have. I was disrespectful and rude.

So I figured I'd try this way. But as usually happens I'm passive aggressively attacked, called small minded, etc. etc. because of the challenge I present to the information of a hero. No biggie. Again. AGAIN;

NOT AN ATTACK ON HIM. HIS INFO.

But again, thanks to all for checking the thread out.

I would ask him if accessing one's higher self results in their transcendence of the need to be involved with the enforcement systems created by the PTBs.

I would then ask him if accessing the higher self should be exclusive to those who pay specific teachers for the lessons on how so to do.

I would then ask him if teachers should become acclaimed teachers in part by becoming one of the leading cheerleaders against the PTBs.

I would then ask if a teacher's process should be granted protection by the systems and laws created by the PTBs and used by the PTBs regarding other processes, most of which have the purpose of preventing most of us from accessing this same higher self.

I would then ask if is still comfortable with his openings to each of his 4 videos in his 4 part series "Accessing Your Higher Self"

I would then ask him if he found anything contradictory in how he rationalizes producing those openings.

I would then seek a mirror and ask him to look square into it and tell me, honestly, if he can reconcile what he sees in that mirror with one who teaches access to the higher self in that most students would suspect he had actually done so.

Then I would ask if he wanted another bong hit.

All excellent questions, and well more thought out than the mush my brain would think up!

[Mozart]

That statement has no direction. It just is. That is what gives its appeal. ;)


Exactly, DeDukshyn -- it was not directed at 'Peace', nor anyone else ... but perhaps at Foreverfan, though! :cool: Just kidd'n, bro, Foreverfan.


As for David Wilcock, he's working on a huge piece and will post ASAP. It's a monster of a piece and I hope that it has substantial information on it that can give us some goddamn hope, as I'm out of hope.


Now we have the strongest gun-control movement that I've ever seen with very serious prospects of the goddamn gun control bill(s) passing, especially the one authored by Diane Finestein, who is the most dangerous woman alive. Don't be surprised to see ... the typical pattern of the goddamn elite creating martyrs for causes that they (the elites and gun control) want to advance.


I'm SO disgusted with life on Earth right now.

[Freed Fox]

Mozart, I'm sorry to hear you're feeling that way. I've been in that mindset myself, not very long ago.
The most frustrating part is when the problems seem so apparent, while the solutions are so elusive.

If I can make a suggestion, don't go looking to David Wilcock to give you hope (or anyone else, for that matter). Hope can come from others, but it is more substantial when you can find it within yourself. Forgive me if I'm oversimplifying; it's anything but easy, especially when you are so acutely aware of the issues plaguing our society, our country, and our world. You may find solace by taking physical action, by starting a petition, or even something as simple as opening a dialogue with someone else regarding these issues. Alternatively you can take comfort by removing yourself and your focus from the problems entirely. It is not tantamount to 'sticking your head in the sand', because you can always come back out and face the harsh reality when you've managed to ease your own despair.

For what it's worth, I hope this helps

[Rocky_Shorz]

that is pretty heavy Mozart...

yesterday at the gun buyback in LA, 2 Rocket launchers were turned in...

this is America, guns aren't going anywhere, but automatic weapons are about to be shut off...

it has caused a boom in Gun sales...

QE4, when you go to Walmart, one of the only sections with all American products is Guns...

go get a 6 pack and a box of bullets, climb into the hills set up a good target, and enjoy...

that is never going to change...

[sigma6]

I think David Wilcock is ruining his career and credibility by perusing these types of stories. I think people see what a charismatic person he is and want to feed him these things to ruin him. It seems odd to me that he was espousing all of Fulfords statements and now we are on to Drake who is saying something very similar but unrelated to Fulford (correct me if I'm wrong). I do enjoy his work and many things that he is saying.

Additionally I have been reading a lot about St. Germain these days. Some of the accounts you see says that St. Germain created a "World Trust" way back in the 1700's that was designed to accrue interest and ultimately free the world from debt. Supposedly the funds can only be released in gold and the PTB keep blocking it. It was supposed to be released in 2000 but never was and instead we got 911.

Here's a link to the movie about St. Germain where this is stated in the last twenty minutes. All of this sounds strangely similar to what Fulford has been saying lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MCfTLzFMtg

I have trouble with funds and the accruing/collection of interest. Interest is wrong. If the agreements of these loans to the rulers of the world incuded interest, there is some logic, but we all know it is the people who paid the interest. If these funds have accrued our money then it is good we will be getting them back. From the moment global setlements take place and adjustments made, I never want to hear about money and interest having a relationship again. The Islamic banking system does without it so it is clear that a banking system does not need usury to operate, nor should it use it, IMO.

My comment about Islamic banking is to make an example of an usury free model and is not meant to be misconstued as suggesting the model to be followed. I know there are still misunderstandings about Islam for some and I do not wish to press any buttons.

reference from my other post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53626-Russia-Tells-US-To-Back-Off-With-Actionary-Maneuvers&p=606646&viewfull=1#post606646

USURY =INTEREST = EXPONENTIAL FUNCTION = Method of stacking the deck

Like everything they do it slowly kills you over a long period of time (to hide the causal relationship and consequent liability) but it is still a slow poison and it is still killing you/us) And this can be proven mathematically. And the beauty is once they have this system set up and everyone plugged in, it works like clockwork.

I found this on a random search, this is hardly the best example (too complex) but just skip to 29:30 and see the graph, (unless you are into the math, knock yourself out...)

Exponential Function
Essentially it's a measure of rate of change (or how fast something is accelerating, which I have never looked at it this way before) and represented graphically by a very familiar curve everyone has seen and can understand quickly. It is just nice to know the 'math' behind it...

update: Here is a much better presentation, I think I like this professor more.
Arithmetic, Population & Energy

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[peace]

Mozart, I'm sorry to hear you're feeling that way. I've been in that mindset myself, not very long ago.
The most frustrating part is when the problems seem so apparent, while the solutions are so elusive.

If I can make a suggestion, don't go looking to David Wilcock to give you hope (or anyone else, for that matter). Hope can come from others, but it is more substantial when you can find it within yourself. Forgive me if I'm oversimplifying; it's anything but easy, especially when you are so acutely aware of the issues plaguing our society, our country, and our world. You may find solace by taking physical action, by starting a petition, or even something as simple as opening a dialogue with someone else regarding these issues. Alternatively you can take comfort by removing yourself and your focus from the problems entirely. It is not tantamount to 'sticking your head in the sand', because you can always come back out and face the harsh reality when you've managed to ease your own despair.

For what it's worth, I hope this helps

Well said and could apply to us all, I think.

[Mozart]

Hope can come from others, but it is more substantial when you can find it within yourself...

You may find solace by taking physical action...

Alternatively you can take comfort by removing yourself and your focus from the problems entirely...




Freed Fox -- thank you very much for what you said so well. I appreciate your words of wisdom.


I've isolated several of your thoughts into gems that are worth quoting here, so they are worth a lot ... if one acts on them.


~Mozart

[foreverfan]

That statement has no direction. It just is. That is what gives its appeal. ;)


Exactly, DeDukshyn -- it was not directed at 'Peace', nor anyone else ... but perhaps at Foreverfan, though! :cool: Just kidd'n, bro, Foreverfan.


As for David Wilcock, he's working on a huge piece and will post ASAP. It's a monster of a piece and I hope that it has substantial information on it that can give us some goddamn hope, as I'm out of hope.


Now we have the strongest gun-control movement that I've ever seen with very serious prospects of the goddamn gun control bill(s) passing, especially the one authored by Diane Finestein, who is the most dangerous woman alive. Don't be surprised to see ... the typical pattern of the goddamn elite creating martyrs for causes that they (the elites and gun control) want to advance.


I'm SO disgusted with life on Earth right now.

Been looking for Dave's new piece. Personally I find Wilcock very interesting. I purchased the 'Source Fields' on audio file read by David himself when it first came out. If you really want to get sick of Wilcock fast, have him read you all 24 hours of the book. LOL The only problem with the audio file is not being to reference a point in the book.

But... As far as Diane Finestein goes... what an idea... the liberals could get rid of both with one shot. Interesting idea and it is sad to say it would probably work.