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Sidney
19th April 2012, 13:03
Title has been changed to something more proper than communist which doesnt fit the description of the event. Thanks Dennis ; )



Ok, so I went to the KROGER store down the street yesterday late afternoon. Along with me was my 14 year old daughter who happens to look 5 yrs older than that (thanks to plastics and hormone laden food), anyway, I needed canned cat food for my elderly cat that has no teeth and needs to be hand fed, and beer, as my hubby and I were going for an evening fishing trip at the local lake. Mind you, this is a grocery store where I have spent hundreds of dollars monthly on groceries, instead of the cheaper Walmart across the street.

So at the check out, the young man stated that he needed to see BOTH our I.D.'s.

I said, HUH? Um I am quite old enough (over 50). he repeated that he needed to see both our identification to sell me the beer. I said, "this is my daughter, she is 14, I am buying the beer for myself and my husband. He insisted that this new "rule" was currently in effect to prevent underage alcohol purchases by someone older.

I stated my cause, and said this is absurd. My daughter was just as shocked as myself at this situation. He finally did allow me to make the purchase, but then said "next time you may want to leave her in the car".

This happened at KROGER- southern Illinois- in the USA- LAND OF THE FREE- HA RIGHT

unbelievable- So if I am going to purchase alcohol at the grocery store, I can't have my child with me. This is not the Law. Can they really do this?

xbusymom
19th April 2012, 13:16
Ok, so I went to the KROGER store down the street yesterday late afternoon. Along with me was my 14 year old daughter who happens to look 5 yrs older than that (thanks to plastics and hormone laden food), anyway, I needed canned cat food for my elderly cat that has no teeth and needs to be hand fed, and beer, as my hubby and I were going for an evening fishing trip at the local lake. Mind you, this is a grocery store where I have spent hundreds of dollars monthly on groceries, instead of the cheaper Walmart across the street.

So at the check out, the young man stated that he needed to see BOTH our I.D.'s.

I said, HUH? Um I am quite old enough (over 50). he repeated that he needed to see both our identification to sell me the beer. I said, "this is my daughter, she is 14, I am buying the beer for myself and my husband. He insisted that this new "rule" was currently in effect to prevent underage alcohol purchases by someone older.

I stated my cause, and said this is absurd. My daughter was just as shocked as myself at this situation. He finally did allow me to make the purchase, but then said "next time you may want to leave her in the car".

This happened at KROGER- southern Illinois- in the USA- LAND OF THE FREE- HA RIGHT

unbelievable- So if I am going to purchase alcohol at the grocery store, I can't have my child with me. This is not the Law. Can they really do this?

there's probably more to this...

after you leave your kids in the car while you get your beer... someone can sick the CPS on you for leaving your kids unsupervised...

Sidney
19th April 2012, 13:26
Thats right, OR, someone will simply kidnap her or worse. I mean, shes a teenager and waits in the car sometimes anyway, but thats not the point. The point is, I am your average middle aged wife/mom.. Have spent I don't know how many thousands of dollars in that store over the years. And if my kids wants to come to the store with me (regardless of what I purchase), I have the right to have her with me. It is absurd.

And even if I looked like a HOBO, which I don't, but If i did, Its not against the law. I feel that it is discriminatory. (at the very least)

truth4me
19th April 2012, 13:34
I've been in the retail/grocery business over 20 years of my life. A child under 21 can't carry beer to the counter or out the door. As long as you buy it and is of age and not drunk when buying it and carry it out there is nothing the store ,at least in Arkansas,can do. Technically if you look like your 87 and have no I.D they ,the store, does not have to sell it to you. We have agents of the Alcohol and tobacco commission in Arkansas who travel around with a minor and send the minor in and try to purchase alcohol or tobacco to see if we the clerks are checking to see if we are "carding" people. We sign a contract before we are hired if we sell to minor we can be fined up to 2500.00 that you the clerk not the store must pay plus you can be fired. 2 weeks ago I carded a person who had tattoo's everywhere but looked young and I had never seen him before in our store. He didn't have his I.D. and I wouldn't sell him cigarettes and he started cussing me and didn't stop till he left the store. Our night mgr said she would have sold it because he had tattoos. Which is wrong. I went to the store Mgr and the store Mgr agreed with me. Tattoos or not no I.D no sell.....

aranuk
19th April 2012, 13:48
Not only in America folks. About 3 years ago I drove my wife to the doctors surgery as she could hardly walk with a severe pain in her leg. I dropped her off and helped her to a seat in the waiting room. I had other business to attend to and told her that I would collect her in 20 minutes. When I returned I couldn't find her in the waiting room and thought she was in the doctors room being attended to. I asked the receptionist where my wife was and she looked at me askance and replied that she was not allowed to tell me. I questioned her behaviour and she said it was the law that prevented her from telling me anything about my wife's whereabouts. I was protesting at the absurdity explaining that I was there to collect her as she could hardly walk. The doctor heard the fuss and came over to me and said that Anne had came too early and was due for her appointment an hour later. He also explained that that was the law to protect individuals rights. I found my wife round the corner taking a breath of fresh air.
It was probably a law that was passed to protect battered wives from their husbands. The receptionist has known me and my wife for 30 years. Mis-interpretation of the law methinks.


Stan

Sidney
19th April 2012, 13:54
I've been in the retail/grocery business over 20 years of my life. A child under 21 can't carry beer to the counter or out the door. As long as you buy it and is of age and not drunk when buying it and carry it out there is nothing the store ,at least in Arkansas,can do. Technically if you look like your 87 and have no I.D they ,the store, does not have to sell it to you. We have agents of the Alcohol and tobacco commission in Arkansas who travel around with a minor and send the minor in and try to purchase alcohol or tobacco to see if we the clerks are checking to see if we are "carding" people. We sign a contract before we are hired if we sell to minor we can be fined up to 2500.00 that you the clerk not the store must pay plus you can be fired. 2 weeks ago I carded a person who had tattoo's everywhere but looked young and I had never seen him before in our store. He didn't have his I.D. and I wouldn't sell him cigarettes and he started cussing me and didn't stop till he left the store. Our night mgr said she would have sold it because he had tattoos. Which is wrong. I went to the store Mgr and the store Mgr agreed with me. Tattoos or not no I.D no sell.....

I agree there is huge liability at stake for these retailers. My daughter was holding about 20 cans of canned cat food, I had a six pack of beer. She was no where near the beer. I showed my id. By law, you need to be over 21 with proof, to purchase alcohol in Illinois. I just think you have to draw the line somewhere. From now on I will drive the extra 5 miles to Schnucks to spend my money.

ginnyk
19th April 2012, 14:01
Being this is your local grocery store, and is an ongoing relationship, it probably would be a good idea to discuss this with the store manager. I have family members in retail management, and it is their opinion that they would like the opportunity to clear up a misunderstanding with a long-time customer. Like truth4me said, there are some stiff consequences for store clerks, and perhaps he did not fully understand the rules and was only trying to comply. At least you would have clarification, and allow the manager to correct the situation with future customers and remove the bad impression you now have.

Gin

Sidney
19th April 2012, 14:10
Being this is your local grocery store, and is an ongoing relationship, it probably would be a good idea to discuss this with the store manager. I have family members in retail management, and it is their opinion that they would like the opportunity to clear up a misunderstanding with a long-time customer. Like truth4me said, there are some stiff consequences for store clerks, and perhaps he did not fully understand the rules and was only trying to comply. At least you would have clarification, and allow the manager to correct the situation with future customers and remove the bad impression you now have.

Gin

The young man was VERY polite, and it was obvious he was simply doing as he was told, he even stated that last week they had special training for this new underage drinking prevention tactic. I do agree, that being in a college town it most likely is a problem, underage kids, getting someone older to purchase alcohol for them, but taking away rights from everyone is NOT the answer. He said, it was from now on, POLICY to ask for multiple id for alcohol sale. They will lose business with this type of policy. That said, I have already written the store manager a polite letter, stating what happened, and that I plan on taking my business elsewhere. They cannot expect every checker to remember every face that comes in the store, this is a huge retail chain, if it is policy they plan on doing this to everyone. So the policy is to tell people to leave their kids in the car? LOL

Earth Angel
19th April 2012, 14:46
a few years ago my family and I were on holidays in Montepellier, Vermont.......we went to the local grocery store to buy some groceries and some beer for my husband and I.....they asked us for ID for the kids, who were not drinking age ........we said why?? they are not drinking or buying the beer we are.......they said the same thing well you could be buying it for them.......not bloody likely....anyway it seems a ridiculous rule to me, next they will be telling you, you can't have alcohol in a house with under aged people

PixieDust
19th April 2012, 15:18
thats quite rediculous in my opinion. My children are almost three. I wonder if I'll run into this problem. It is quite illegal to leave children as young as mine in the car, even though i remember sitting in the car while my parents ran in quickly for as far back as i can remember. I also would go into liquor stores with my dad sometimes and one time when he was hosting a large party i helped him carry the load out.

my parents even let me have wine coolers from time to time. I thought that it was legal for parents serve alcohol to their children they just have to be supervised, guess not. especially not anymore.

its sad how much things have changed. during the summer i remember being kicked out of the house and not coming back till the street lights came on, now days parents either dont feel safe letting kids run around without watching or think that would be child abuse. My parents would have prison for life due to child endangerment if i grew up the way i did now days. Makes me sad for my kids. I'll probably be arrested or at least fined eventually for not vaccinating my children.

but i digress.

peace

AuCo
19th April 2012, 15:40
Are these the new rules from the same people who promote this "Avoid petty laws and useless officials"?:(

Dennis Leahy
19th April 2012, 16:59
Starchild111, I commiserate at the police-state, surveillance-state imposition, but when I saw the title of this thread, I wondered what communist action happened at a grocery store (like maybe they allowed people to just take the food.)

I'm not being the semantics police, nor am I particularly defending even real communism. But this story has nothing at all to do with communism. Back in the 1950s, the word "communism" was used in a very similar way as the word "terrorist" is now: a catch-all for everything evil.

Communism means sharing. A convent in the US is probably the closest thing you can find to a group of people living under quasi-communist governance. Even they have a "mother superior."

Maybe a better title would have been, "Grocery Store Gestapo - True Story".

I know the meme and the buzz at the moment here is sovereignty and freedom in oposition to the rule imposed by the Financial Elite, but there are also many who see the same battle, see it as class warfare, and describe the war as being between the the owner class (Financial Elite) using capitalism as a club to beat us all into submission, and the other side is the people, the working class, using socialism or social democracy to fight for the rights of the working class.

Communists and socialists get painted with the same brush strokes, and the totalitarian regime that took away freedoms and imposed austerity on citizens in the USSR is what is called either "communism" or "socialism", but it was neither. Not even close.

It is very difficult to write about social democracy issues without triggering the "socialism is evil!" meme. I usually have to go to the basics, and talk about libraries, roads, bridges, and the fire department to make the point that socialism is the pooling of resources for societal benefit. If the "personal sovereignty" Libertarian meme takes over, and all roads become toll roads, all bridges become toll bridges, libraries become book rental businesses, and fire departments let your house burn to the ground if you did not pay... but we are all "free"...

...well, I sure hope that people recognize that we need some socialism/social democracy at least blended in with any system of governance. Some goods and services are handled very well as socialist goods and services, and that can coexist with anything but the most intolerant sociopathic totalitarian capitalist mindset.

Sorry to wag a finger, but I have been studying about and writing about the blended ideologies coexisting, and just feel a sense of deflation when communism/socialism (again, they are different, but get lumped together) are used to express evil incarnate.

Thanks for listening,

Dennis

wynderer
19th April 2012, 17:30
there are lots of these little restrictions going on -- it feels like the NWO noose tightening to me -- or what David Icke calls the 'totalitarian tiptoe' --the 'privacy' laws -- they use them to invade your privacy when they want, & to keep info from you when they want

no doubt after they bus all the kids from schools to the FEMA camps, their parents will be told that under privacy laws, they can't be told where their kids are

Sidney
19th April 2012, 17:57
Starchild111, I commiserate at the police-state, surveillance-state imposition, but when I saw the title of this thread, I wondered what communist action happened at a grocery store (like maybe they allowed people to just take the food.)

I'm not being the semantics police, nor am I particularly defending even real communism. But this story has nothing at all to do with communism. Back in the 1950s, the word "communism" was used in a very similar way as the word "terrorist" is now: a catch-all for everything evil.

Communism means sharing. A convent in the US is probably the closest thing you can find to a group of people living under quasi-communist governance. Even they have a "mother superior."

Maybe a better title would have been, "Grocery Store Gestapo - True Story".

I know the meme and the buzz at the moment here is sovereignty and freedom in oposition to the rule imposed by the Financial Elite, but there are also many who see the same battle, see it as class warfare, and describe the war as being between the the owner class (Financial Elite) using capitalism as a club to beat us all into submission, and the other side is the people, the working class, using socialism or social democracy to fight for the rights of the working class.

Communists and socialists get painted with the same brush strokes, and the totalitarian regime that took away freedoms and imposed austerity on citizens in the USSR is what is called either "communism" or "socialism", but it was neither. Not even close.

It is very difficult to write about social democracy issues without triggering the "socialism is evil!" meme. I usually have to go to the basics, and talk about libraries, roads, bridges, and the fire department to make the point that socialism is the pooling of resources for societal benefit. If the "personal sovereignty" Libertarian meme takes over, and all roads become toll roads, all bridges become toll bridges, libraries become book rental businesses, and fire departments let your house burn to the ground if you did not pay... but we are all "free"...

...well, I sure hope that people recognize that we need some socialism/social democracy at least blended in with any system of governance. Some goods and services are handled very well as socialist goods and services, and that can coexist with anything but the most intolerant sociopathic totalitarian capitalist mindset.

Sorry to wag a finger, but I have been studying about and writing about the blended ideologies coexisting, and just feel a sense of deflation when communism/socialism (again, they are different, but get lumped together) are used to express evil incarnate.

Thanks for listening,

Dennis

Your are actually right. It kind of was the first thing that came to mind, i was thoroughly pissed off when I posted this thread I really didn;t take the time to appropriately title it. I like the gestapo idea. I may change it .

Unified Serenity
19th April 2012, 18:21
Not only in America folks. About 3 years ago I drove my wife to the doctors surgery as she could hardly walk with a severe pain in her leg. I dropped her off and helped her to a seat in the waiting room. I had other business to attend to and told her that I would collect her in 20 minutes. When I returned I couldn't find her in the waiting room and thought she was in the doctors room being attended to. I asked the receptionist where my wife was and she looked at me askance and replied that she was not allowed to tell me. I questioned her behaviour and she said it was the law that prevented her from telling me anything about my wife's whereabouts. I was protesting at the absurdity explaining that I was there to collect her as she could hardly walk. The doctor heard the fuss and came over to me and said that Anne had came too early and was due for her appointment an hour later. He also explained that that was the law to protect individuals rights. I found my wife round the corner taking a breath of fresh air.
It was probably a law that was passed to protect battered wives from their husbands. The receptionist has known me and my wife for 30 years. Mis-interpretation of the law methinks.


Stan

Hi Stan,

How was she to know that you were not some astranged husband or stalker looking for this woman that he wants to kill or drag out of there? Imagine that scenario and the receptionist explaining why she told this man who said he was the woman's husband where to find her. It's a sick world, and sadly the criminals have made us afraid to act normal.

Kids can't give normal affection in school to one another and yet TSA can grope any child. SICK WORLD


ps, I edited my orginal post cause I missed the last sentence. The issue is one of safety. Even if you know someone very well, you have no idea what happened the night before and their current state of affairs. How many times have we seen close friends say of a killer, "I just can't believe they would do this, it's just not like them"?

aranuk
19th April 2012, 18:38
Hi Unified Serenity you didn't read my second last sentence where I remarked that the receptionist has known me and my wife for 30 years dear.

Stan

RUSirius
19th April 2012, 19:00
Title has been changed to something more proper than communist which doesnt fit the description of the event. Thanks Dennis ; )



Ok, so I went to the KROGER store down the street yesterday late afternoon. Along with me was my 14 year old daughter who happens to look 5 yrs older than that (thanks to plastics and hormone laden food), anyway, I needed canned cat food for my elderly cat that has no teeth and needs to be hand fed, and beer, as my hubby and I were going for an evening fishing trip at the local lake. Mind you, this is a grocery store where I have spent hundreds of dollars monthly on groceries, instead of the cheaper Walmart across the street.

So at the check out, the young man stated that he needed to see BOTH our I.D.'s.

I said, HUH? Um I am quite old enough (over 50). he repeated that he needed to see both our identification to sell me the beer. I said, "this is my daughter, she is 14, I am buying the beer for myself and my husband. He insisted that this new "rule" was currently in effect to prevent underage alcohol purchases by someone older.

I stated my cause, and said this is absurd. My daughter was just as shocked as myself at this situation. He finally did allow me to make the purchase, but then said "next time you may want to leave her in the car".

This happened at KROGER- southern Illinois- in the USA- LAND OF THE FREE- HA RIGHT

unbelievable- So if I am going to purchase alcohol at the grocery store, I can't have my child with me. This is not the Law. Can they really do this?

This is really pathetic that this is happening...IMHO

Sidney
19th April 2012, 20:09
Not only in America folks. About 3 years ago I drove my wife to the doctors surgery as she could hardly walk with a severe pain in her leg. I dropped her off and helped her to a seat in the waiting room. I had other business to attend to and told her that I would collect her in 20 minutes. When I returned I couldn't find her in the waiting room and thought she was in the doctors room being attended to. I asked the receptionist where my wife was and she looked at me askance and replied that she was not allowed to tell me. I questioned her behaviour and she said it was the law that prevented her from telling me anything about my wife's whereabouts. I was protesting at the absurdity explaining that I was there to collect her as she could hardly walk. The doctor heard the fuss and came over to me and said that Anne had came too early and was due for her appointment an hour later. He also explained that that was the law to protect individuals rights. I found my wife round the corner taking a breath of fresh air.
It was probably a law that was passed to protect battered wives from their husbands. The receptionist has known me and my wife for 30 years. Mis-interpretation of the law methinks.


Stan

Its funny, (not) that you can log onto facebook and find out where exactly someone is, through word of mouth. No privacy there. Crazy irony

Unified Serenity
19th April 2012, 20:13
Hi Unified Serenity you didn't read my second last sentence where I remarked that the receptionist has known me and my wife for 30 years dear.

Stan

I made an adjustment. The receptionist probably does not live with you, has no way to know the present condition of any relationship outside of her own, and therefore could be in for a world of hurt assuming all is ok. If the company policy is to NOT give out information on patients then you just don't do it. Again, it's sad our world is this way, but people are nuts.

=[Post Update]=




Its funny, (not) that you can log onto facebook and find out where exactly someone is, through word of mouth. No privacy there. Crazy irony


Most people do not have the deep pockets that businesses have, and if something negative happens because the business gives out information on someone and they are harmed by it, then they will get sued. Thus a common rule is not to give out any information without written consent.

Sidney
19th April 2012, 20:20
Hi Unified Serenity you didn't read my second last sentence where I remarked that the receptionist has known me and my wife for 30 years dear.

Stan

I made an adjustment. The receptionist probably does not live with you, has no way to know the present condition of any relationship outside of her own, and therefore could be in for a world of hurt assuming all is ok. If the company policy is to NOT give out information on patients then you just don't do it. Again, it's sad our world is this way, but people are nuts.

=[Post Update]=




Its funny, (not) that you can log onto facebook and find out where exactly someone is, through word of mouth. No privacy there. Crazy irony


Most people do not have the deep pockets that businesses have, and if something negative happens because the business gives out information on someone and they are harmed by it, then they will get sued. Thus a common rule is not to give out any information without written consent.

Yeah, I used to work in a medical office and they were VERY strict. You could get fired for almost anything. And most times when someone got fired (which was often) it was due to some confidentiality breach.

Church
19th April 2012, 20:22
I clicked on this thread because I thought it would be about a grocery store that was giving away equal rations of food to everyone who visited. Needless to say, I'm disappointed.

Sidney
19th April 2012, 20:33
Hi Unified Serenity you didn't read my second last sentence where I remarked that the receptionist has known me and my wife for 30 years dear.

Stan

I made an adjustment. The receptionist probably does not live with you, has no way to know the present condition of any relationship outside of her own, and therefore could be in for a world of hurt assuming all is ok. If the company policy is to NOT give out information on patients then you just don't do it. Again, it's sad our world is this way, but people are nuts.

=[Post Update]=




Its funny, (not) that you can log onto facebook and find out where exactly someone is, through word of mouth. No privacy there. Crazy irony


Most people do not have the deep pockets that businesses have, and if something negative happens because the business gives out information on someone and they are harmed by it, then they will get sued. Thus a common rule is not to give out any information without written consent.


I clicked on this thread because I thought it would be about a grocery store that was giving away equal rations of food to everyone who visited. Needless to say, I'm disappointed.


Sorry about that, I did change the title to prevent future confusion, it took a while for the change to show up on here. MY Bad.:rolleyes:

Not sure why the thread title on the from page doesn't show up. I pm"d paul for help unless anyone else knows how to do it. When I go into edit, it appears to have been changed but here on the forum its still the old title.

Moz
19th April 2012, 20:51
The story is sad enough and I am completely against the way people are police-ing other people.

Flash
19th April 2012, 21:27
Starchild111, I commiserate at the police-state, surveillance-state imposition, but when I saw the title of this thread, I wondered what communist action happened at a grocery store (like maybe they allowed people to just take the food.)

I'm not being the semantics police, nor am I particularly defending even real communism. But this story has nothing at all to do with communism. Back in the 1950s, the word "communism" was used in a very similar way as the word "terrorist" is now: a catch-all for everything evil.

Communism means sharing. A convent in the US is probably the closest thing you can find to a group of people living under quasi-communist governance. Even they have a "mother superior."

Maybe a better title would have been, "Grocery Store Gestapo - True Story".

I know the meme and the buzz at the moment here is sovereignty and freedom in oposition to the rule imposed by the Financial Elite, but there are also many who see the same battle, see it as class warfare, and describe the war as being between the the owner class (Financial Elite) using capitalism as a club to beat us all into submission, and the other side is the people, the working class, using socialism or social democracy to fight for the rights of the working class.

Communists and socialists get painted with the same brush strokes, and the totalitarian regime that took away freedoms and imposed austerity on citizens in the USSR is what is called either "communism" or "socialism", but it was neither. Not even close.

It is very difficult to write about social democracy issues without triggering the "socialism is evil!" meme. I usually have to go to the basics, and talk about libraries, roads, bridges, and the fire department to make the point that socialism is the pooling of resources for societal benefit. If the "personal sovereignty" Libertarian meme takes over, and all roads become toll roads, all bridges become toll bridges, libraries become book rental businesses, and fire departments let your house burn to the ground if you did not pay... but we are all "free"...

...well, I sure hope that people recognize that we need some socialism/social democracy at least blended in with any system of governance. Some goods and services are handled very well as socialist goods and services, and that can coexist with anything but the most intolerant sociopathic totalitarian capitalist mindset.

Sorry to wag a finger, but I have been studying about and writing about the blended ideologies coexisting, and just feel a sense of deflation when communism/socialism (again, they are different, but get lumped together) are used to express evil incarnate.

Thanks for listening,

Dennis

you were right Dennis, these laws do not look like communism but rather like fascism.

American who promulgated those laws would be really scandalised by French. They drink wine cut in water starting at 5years old - and no, they don't all become drunkers, they just learn to drink properly. Also, water quality being vastly different (not as good and controlled as in America), wine is often a safer drink.

Well, each country its hang ups.

I do worry much more about what is going on for women bodies in the Southern states and the backlash to 40 years of women movements. One light law - not bying beer when your chlidren are around - many heavy laws - having to see the fetus on the screen if you ask for an abortion, and if it is early, haviing a tube inserted into your uterus to make sure to hear the heartbeat.

It makes me just cry at the 15 years old rape victim who does not want the child produce under very heavy trauma having to be furhtermore traumatised. This is heartless.

Sidney
19th April 2012, 21:31
fascism- Thats the word I was looking for. Thank you Flash- Now can anybody help me figure out how to change the title so the "corrections" will stop rolling in. Ive tried to fix it hours ago, but it doesnt work.

Flash
19th April 2012, 21:32
fascism- Thats the word I was looking for. Thank you Flash- Now can anybody help me figure out how to change the title so the "corrections" will stop rolling in. Ive tried to fix it hours ago, but it doesnt work.

ask the mods, they will do it for you

Sidney
19th April 2012, 22:30
Hi Unified Serenity you didn't read my second last sentence where I remarked that the receptionist has known me and my wife for 30 years dear.

Stan

I made an adjustment. The receptionist probably does not live with you, has no way to know the present condition of any relationship outside of her own, and therefore could be in for a world of hurt assuming all is ok. If the company policy is to NOT give out information on patients then you just don't do it. Again, it's sad our world is this way, but people are nuts.

=[Post Update]=




Its funny, (not) that you can log onto facebook and find out where exactly someone is, through word of mouth. No privacy there. Crazy irony


Most people do not have the deep pockets that businesses have, and if something negative happens because the business gives out information on someone and they are harmed by it, then they will get sued. Thus a common rule is not to give out any information without written consent.



fascism- Thats the word I was looking for. Thank you Flash- Now can anybody help me figure out how to change the title so the "corrections" will stop rolling in. Ive tried to fix it hours ago, but it doesnt work.

ask the mods, they will do it for you


Just wanted to acknowledge Paul for fixing the title for me . Thanks a bunch! : )

PHARAOH
20th April 2012, 13:04
Title has been changed to something more proper than communist which doesnt fit the description of the event. Thanks Dennis ; )



Ok, so I went to the KROGER store down the street yesterday late afternoon. Along with me was my 14 year old daughter who happens to look 5 yrs older than that (thanks to plastics and hormone laden food), anyway, I needed canned cat food for my elderly cat that has no teeth and needs to be hand fed, and beer, as my hubby and I were going for an evening fishing trip at the local lake. Mind you, this is a grocery store where I have spent hundreds of dollars monthly on groceries, instead of the cheaper Walmart across the street.

So at the check out, the young man stated that he needed to see BOTH our I.D.'s.

I said, HUH? Um I am quite old enough (over 50). he repeated that he needed to see both our identification to sell me the beer. I said, "this is my daughter, she is 14, I am buying the beer for myself and my husband. He insisted that this new "rule" was currently in effect to prevent underage alcohol purchases by someone older.

I stated my cause, and said this is absurd. My daughter was just as shocked as myself at this situation. He finally did allow me to make the purchase, but then said "next time you may want to leave her in the car".

This happened at KROGER- southern Illinois- in the USA- LAND OF THE FREE- HA RIGHT

unbelievable- So if I am going to purchase alcohol at the grocery store, I can't have my child with me. This is not the Law. Can they really do this?

He just did.

sdv
20th April 2012, 13:21
Enslavement of the mind. Why think when we can just let ourselves be programmed!

Stan you must have felt as if you were suddenly in an absurd universe.

markpierre
20th April 2012, 13:27
So at at the check out, the young man stated that he needed to see BOTH our I.D.'s.

I said, HUH? Um I am quite old enough (over 50). he repeated that he needed to see both our identification to sell me the beer. I said, "this is my daughter, she is 14, I am buying the beer for myself and my husband. He insisted that this new "rule" was currently in effect to prevent underage alcohol purchases by someone older.

I stated my cause, and said this is absurd. My daughter was just as shocked as myself at this situation. He finally did allow me to make the purchase, but then said "next time you may want to leave her in the car".

This is not the Law. Can they really do this?


They can do it as long as they can find guys as damned as that cashier to enforce it. 'That cashier' being a generalization.

I've met a lot of guys who were dead, and they were a lot more alive than that guy.

Make a fuss with the owner of the shop. Quit giving him business. Pay your daughter $10 to get you a six-pack at Walmart. Haven't they cashed in on the liqueur trade yet?

See if she gets away with it.

BlueGem
20th April 2012, 13:48
Local supermarkets where I grew up in Ireland were the same. Unless the child with the parent was really young, they would question your motives for buying alcohol in some stores. It was strange, because a few clerks obviously didn't care, whereas others were remarkably stringent.

As a funny aside, when I first turned 18 I bought alcohol from the same supermarket that ID'd practically everyone. Didn't get asked, go figure!

mind-scape
20th April 2012, 13:52
When my younger sister and I go into the store together, this happens if I'm going to purchase alcohol (which is rare for me).
We actually have to go into separate isles in order to check out, because where we live they CANNOT and WILL NOT let us leave the store together with it.

I was also asked to show my license recently when I bought a LIGHTER from a gas station.
I don't smoke, so it wasn't even for cigarettes or anything. I just needed a stupid lighter.

pugwash84
20th April 2012, 13:56
Kids around here wait outside the shop and ask people to go in and buy them fags or alcohol. I refuse to go in and buy them something but I have seen people go in and buy something for kids outside. If the shop gets caught serving someone a product age 18 or over, for them to go outside and give it to a child then the shop gets fined a lot of money and the worker who served the person gets dismissed from work. This is why a lot of people are extra cautious now, they can't afford to loose their job. They are cracking down on it hard now.

spiritguide
20th April 2012, 14:26
Grow your own tobacco and make your own beer and wait for them to make you a criminal for that. Remember when the world ran on a handshake and a smile? Fear!, Fear! Fear! Fear! Everybody and every thing! We need to get over this reaction people as it keeps us off balance and unable to experience LOVE. IMHO

:peace:

Realeyes
20th April 2012, 15:23
They are exercising this 'law' here in England, UK for the past year.

Our 14 year old daughter can no longer come with us shopping if we intend to buy booze - if she comes we get the same thing, demands for ID and suspicous eyes that we are buying it for her and have to prove otherwise!

What gets me, its a jumped up 'jobs worth' no older than 21, loving the authority over middle aged parents. Grrrrrr.

Even if we go to a local pub and buy her a lemonade - they still insist to check and make sure the 2 pints of beer are not for her - Duh.....

Jean-Marie
20th April 2012, 16:49
I am in Illinois also and it is something new that they are doing. I stopped at the local Walgreens after picking up my son who happens to be 18. My husband asked me to pick him up a pack of cigarettes. My son came with me into the store and chose a sports drink for me to buy for him. At the checkout they asked to see both our Ids when I required why they said it is a new policy to make sure that I am not buying them for an underage person.

Sidney
20th April 2012, 18:02
Shaking my head in dis-belief, just waiting to see whats around the corner.

Realeyes
20th April 2012, 18:28
You know what makes me mad: The ptw wanted the youth to be out of control on booze, drugs, senseless etc, and now its time for the 'show' to look 'good' and 'caring' in doing something to clean the mess up - a perfect excuse to intimidate everyone with more ID etc and also lay on the guilt that todays Youth culture problems is down to 'parents', 'broken homes' 'poverty' etc the very agenda they orchastrated!

Talking about laying on the guilt, they are 'requesting' elderly people to sell their houses. Regardless that they have worked all their lives to own their house that is filled with family memories, according to the UK government, it's too big for them, they are being selfish, they are key to answering the UK's housing problem and they are 'stopping' families who really need these homes - talk about bully guilt tactics. They don't mentioned the million(s) of council/social houses boarded up not being used. It makes me sick!!!

I can feel myself ranting - so I will sign off now.

Breathe............... Conscious Change is in the Air.

xbusymom
20th April 2012, 19:53
You know what makes me mad: The ptw wanted the youth to be out of control on booze, drugs, senseless etc, and now its time for the 'show' to look 'good' and 'caring' in doing something to clean the mess up - a perfect excuse to intimidate everyone with more ID etc and also lay on the guilt that todays Youth culture problems is down to 'parents', 'broken homes' 'poverty' etc the very agenda they orchastrated!

Talking about laying on the guilt, they are 'requesting' elderly people to sell their houses. Regardless that they have worked all their lives to own their house that is filled with family memories, according to the UK government, it's too big for them, they are being selfish, they are key to answering the UK's housing problem and they are 'stopping' families who really need these homes - talk about bully guilt tactics. They don't mentioned the million(s) of council/social houses boarded up not being used. It makes me sick!!!

I can feel myself ranting - so I will sign off now.

Breathe............... Conscious Change is in the Air.


Hmmm... sounds like... problem, reaction, solution!!

I have an idea... if the clerks are going to be on an ego trip for 'enforcement' of the liquor regulations... we should make up a 'responsibilty form' and get the clerk to write down his name, address, and any other identifying info- just in case a minor unknowingly gets MY beer, then drives MY car, and gets a DUI- you can send the ticket to the clerk.

and when they start back-peddling- and refusing to take FULL responsibility for what is done with MY beer- then tell them they have no business telling me what to do with MY beer after I buy it.

Bryn ap Gwilym
20th April 2012, 20:42
Hi,
What's ironic is folk predicted this back when I was young only for them to get labelled as nutters.

The way around this is to play them at their own "common purpose" game or roll over?
Set up a group & join groups, set up & join committee's, get yourself involved in all local activities, boycott businesses, name & shame businesses, run for council. Aka infiltrate everything.

mosquito
21st April 2012, 05:55
What's around the corner ?

In Peru it's illegal to consume alcohol in the presence of a minor (under 18). Not that that stops anyone doing it of course.