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Mozart
8th May 2012, 21:59
Avalonians ~


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/05/09

Excerpt:




Divine Intervention

Date: 05-09-12

Host: George Noory

Guests: David Wilcock, Col. John Alexander

Intuitive researcher and filmmaker, David Wilcock, will discuss physical examples of divine intervention thwarting efforts to start WWIII.

Additionally, he'll report on an incredible 1,200 year-old thread of evidence that shows these interventions have been planned for a long time, and are part of an organized movement toward a golden age of humanity, which will include teleportation & time travel, and spontaneous evolution.

In the first hour, Col. John Alexander will talk about the reality of UFOs.


¤=[Post Update]=¤

I also want to use this thread to create a post that's been in my head for several weeks, so this is a good opportunity to do so now.


First of all, it is an a priori for me that UFOs exist and that Extra-Terrestrials exist (ETs) and Extra-Dimensionals exist, too. I don't think that anyone in this forum could make a strong argument that would effectively rebut the idea of the reality and existence of UFOs, hence the first point that I'm making for this thread about the a priori of the UFOs. It's a given that they exist.


The second a priori of this thread is that the difficulties of space travel are just about utterly impossible for anybody to travel about anywhere via chemical propulsion of any kind. Such propulsion is out. Period. No-go there.


The third a priori is that the current scientists have pretty much established that even if we developed the means to travel at the speed of light, travel in space would be next-to-impossible, given that so much time would elapse in a long trip at light speed that could take just a few weeks for the astronauts, but decades of life would go by on Earth during the "short" two-week trip, so imagine the shock that the astronauts would experience if they came back, only to see the whole world radically changed and to see their own, say, children all grown up and being older than the astronauts.


So we have these three a prioris for this thread:

1) That UFOs, ETs and EDs exist; and,

2) That long distance space travel via chemical propulsion is utterly impossible; and,

3) That space travel at the speed of light is extremely problematic and impractical.


So if the we operate with these three a prioris that UFOs and ETs/EDs really, then isn't it VERY clear to any of you that the technologies of ANY visiting ETs and/or EDs would be way, way, WAY more advanced than ours here on Earth? Yes?


So then this begs this critical question:

How on Earth have we not yet been taken over by ETs in our 3-D space/time reality with dark intentions?


How?


And what I mean by "takeover" is the maximal kind -- the ETs invading us openly in 3-D space/time with massive losses of life of humans, with the ETs taking over and living on Earth, supplanting the native human population. Major, maximal changes like that.


So how has that not happened, given that it's abundantly clear that the ETs/EDs clearly have superior technology that would certainly include superior firepower that would flat-out overwhelm our militaries world-wide in a day or less. Total, flat-out defeat of us humans.


And yet, here we are, existing on Earth and being able to live our lives uninterrupted in 3-D space/time.


And yes, there certainly have been massive infiltrations of dark ETs/EDs infiltrating into and around our Earth with massive and intricate levels of realities that interweave with our nominal 3-D space/time reality as we know it -- absolutely that has happened.


But we humans on Earth in 3-D space/time have not been wiped out by ETs, despite their very obvious abilities to wipe us out?


So how on Earth has this potential wipe out of humans have NOT HAPPENED?


My central points are these two points:

A) We are not alone and never have been.

B) We are being assisted to astonishing degrees and levels by the positive ETs and EDs.


I'm seeing, imo, far too many posts here in this forum -- and elsewhere -- that "we are alone" and that "we are not being helped by anybody", so this thread is intended to counter that.


~Mozart

WhiteFeather
8th May 2012, 22:05
Keep us posted. After this interview see if you can get the interview on youtube or an mp3. And post it to this thread. You have to pay to get on Coast to Coast to listen to these interviews. Wanishi. Sounds like its gonna be a great listen.

RMorgan
8th May 2012, 22:11
Hey mate,

Maybe they just don´t care.

Time is a human thing and might not even exist for them.

Maybe, our whole existence, from creation to extinction, is like one minute for them.

So, why they would waste their energy killing and fighting us, if we are already doing a damn good job destroying ourselves.

This is just one possibility of many.

If we consider that we don´t even know what simple intelligent beings think, like cats , dogs or birds, then how would be possible for us to emulate or guess what a highly advanced race could think about us or our planet?

So, there´s no answer to your question, besides speculation.

Anyway, this is just an observation. I don´t want to go off topic.

Cheers,

Raf.

DreamsInDigital
8th May 2012, 22:20
Mozart,

There is actually a very logical explanation to that, and so far the reptoids and grays have been doing a very fine job of invading our planet. Taking a page out of The Matrix 2 work, which the Matrix Books are incredible and something literally EVERYONE should read if they haven't. As it's some of the most accurate information out there. Now, I've been able to verify to my own satisfaction that Khyla does in fact exist and is a real member of the Procyon Intelligence. But, to everyone else. Use your own discernment and do your own research. Anyone that is telepathic and knows how to communicate with ET/EDs can infact communicate with Khyla.

Excerpt:

Khyla, the Procyonese Intelligence agent, continues:

"If you were a highly advanced culture about to invade a relatively primitive culture, you would not do it with a flourish of ships showing up in the heavens, and take the risk of being fired upon. That's the type of warfare less evolved mortals would get into. You would begin by creating intense confusion, with only inferences of your presence, inferences which cause controversial disagreement

(Note: It is interesting that the major Intelligence projects designed to discredit UFO witnesses and cause confusion and contention among -- and infiltration of -- various UFO research organizations have been traced back to the Nazified NSA-CIA, which in turn maintains, as this is being written, continued ties with the Grays. - Branton).

"You would go to the most secret and powerful organizations within the society. In the case of the United States, you would infiltrate the CIA, and through the use of techniques unknown to them, you would take over some of the key people in their innermost core group. You would proceed in the same fashion to take over key members of the KGB. You would also create great dissension among the public at large, some individuals and groups insisting that they have seen UFOs, others insisting with equal vehemence that such a thing is not possible, and that they are either liars or deluded.

"You would involve the planet's two major nations in an on-going idiotic philosophical dispute, keeping them constantly at each other's throats over such questions as whether Thomas Jefferson was greater than Karl Marx or vice-versa (that is, whether 'Capitalist' tyranny or 'Communist' tyranny is worse than the other. By the way, don't confuse Communism with Communalism, and don't confuse Capitalism with Democracy. Communalism and Democracy are sovereigntist movements that respect the personal rights and freedoms of others. So-called unrestrained Communism and Capitalism are co-dependent collectist evils. Capitalist tyranny created Communist tyranny, and Communist tyranny justifies its existence as a force to fight Capitalist tyranny. Insane world we live in, is it not? - Branton).

You would keep them continuously occupied with quarreling like two adolescent boys trying to prove their masculinity over who has which piece of territory, whether one has the right to invade Afghanistan or the other has the right to invade Nicaragua, persistently exchanging threats and insults like a couple of macho teen-agers, while arguing whether one should dismantle one type of nuclear warhead, or the other should dismantle another type of nuclear warhead. As you watched all this, you would sit back and you would laugh, if you had the capacity to laugh...

"You would occasionally let your ships be seen by some of the ordinary citizens, so that the elite governmental groups would become involved in attempts to keep them quiet, clumsily squelching attempts to make information about UFO activity public. This would result in the mass population losing confidence in the veracity of their elected officials. There would be constant arguments between the authorities and the public as to whether or not the persistently reported phenomena genuinely existed, thereby setting the population and the government at each other's throats. You would have already set the two major super-powers at each other's throats. By subtly causing economic turmoil, you would set the "Haves" and the "Have Nots" at each other's throats. In all possible ways, you would plant the seeds of massive discontent.

"After you had manipulated the population to the point where your covert control over it was complete, you might decide to go overt, and let a few ships land in public. But you would not go from covert to overt until you were sure of the totality of your control...

The Grays, The Nordics and Interstellar Conflict. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook34.htm) This particular part continues here, also suggest reading (for those that haven't yet) The Dulce Book, it's available on the same site to read for free.

As for the human/positive/sto ET/EDs, they don't invade because they don't want to have to baby sit us and it's not THEIR responsibility to take care of us. They are here to help liberate the planet and bring us up to speed, and then they're done.

Mozart
8th May 2012, 22:23
Hey mate,

Maybe they just don´t care.

Time is a human thing and might not even exist for them.

<snip>

Anyway, this is just an observation. I don´t want to go off topic.




RAF ~ Thank you for you observation.


If the ETs and EDs didn't care, then why would the visit us here on Earth so many, many times over the last thousands of years?


It's well-established that there's an enormous level of ET/ED activity here on Earth and I do have a number of perceptions of exactly why they are so interested in humans on Earth.


~Mozart

Billy
8th May 2012, 22:23
Thanks for the heads up Mozart.

Answer is because the ET's that are service to self still have to abide by the universal laws. But they can influence humans to wipe each other out if humans allow this. This is where we are at now.

But we ain't gonna allow it.

Peace

WHOMADEGOD
8th May 2012, 22:24
Well we know we are being played on every level by neg ET,s.

This by my understanding is all about generating an envkronment that facilitates there
level of vibration, namely fear, so it is all about the illusion.

So yes, unfortunately we have been taken over for a long time by advance methods and tech,
just in a covert way.

If we as a species were truly aware as a whole, it would not work would it, it would either mean,
we would revolt and win, or more likely without assistance die.

It could be seen, that in some ways this control has bought us time amd justification for
advanced ET on the other spectrum of vibration to assist us now.

aranuk
8th May 2012, 22:28
Well I don't know, does anyone? We can only surmise that there are extra dimensional beings who are in charge of things in the 3D. Maybe not. I do know that there is another dimension different to this one. I have had quite a number of experiences of my own, some I can get my head around and some that are baffling to me. We do have free will to a certain extent. I don't think/feel that the guiding light beings force us or coerce us but I do think they encourage us to do certain things. They have ways to lead us unto our destiny, by nudging us, as it were. Why they protect certain people, I haven't got an answer to that one. I know they do. Rudolf Steiner one of my inspirators said often that the spiritual beings worship the human race and our development is their religion. That in itself, is an inspiration to me not to let them down. Steiner also said that the spiritual beings don't have free will and that they have never experienced physicalness as we do here. They are rooting for us boys! Let's not let them down.
So I say heads up for the momentum and keep it going. I don't think Drake will let us down. (excuse the pun)


Stan

Mozart
8th May 2012, 22:30
Mozart,

There is actually a very logical explanation to that, and so far the reptoids and grays have been doing a very fine job of invading our planet.


DID ~ Thank you for your informative response.


Yes, I totally agree your quoted source is amazing information.


And I'm asking the question with the intent of getting people to think, to really think about the reality and existence of ETs and to get away from the idea that "we are alone and we are not being assisted" by any ET group.


I totally agree that our Earth HAS been infiltrated by covert and subtle means -- which has been allowed to happen -- but my question in the OP is to try to get people to think about how in hell has not an advanced ET group not taken over Earth with superior weaponry? It's too easy for them to do it on a overt level, yet that's not happened.


Covert manipulations of Earth has happened, yes, but that's been allowed, per the Law of Free Will and the Law of Confusion, per the Ra Material, yet, the ...

we-R-one
8th May 2012, 22:31
It is my understanding that Earth's enviroment is not conducive for other entities to inhabit for long periods of time. I would also think that we do serve a purpose- a food source for negative entities to feed off of via the lower vibrations one puts out which harnesses all the lower energies such as fear and anger- could be why so much effort is put into fear mongering the masses. When the shift to higher vibrations takes place they will have to feed off of someone else as that type of behavior will hopefully be something of the past.

WhiteFeather
8th May 2012, 22:32
Good listen here. Kerry Cassidy interviews Sheldon Nidle. I wasnt such a fan of Sheldons till i listened to this interview. Have a listen. I give it 5 stars. Sheldon Nails it shut. IMO.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0VgWpW94sk

KiwiElf
8th May 2012, 22:39
...Taking a page out of The Matrix 2 work, which the Matrix Books are incredible and something literally EVERYONE should read if they haven't. As it's some of the most accurate information out there.

Hey D.I.D. - sorry to take your quote out of context ;) Just backing you on this - These books are incredible. Unfortunately, I have learned they are no longer in print, however they are downloadable as PDF eBooks if you know where to look. I stuck a post here ages ago which will take you there with a wee bit of hunting ;)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27447-VALDAMAR-VALERIAN-and-the-MATRIX-BOOKS&p=306538#post306538

Mozart,
Thank you for the heads up. Should be a very interesting interview :)

RMorgan
8th May 2012, 22:41
Hey mate,

Maybe they just don´t care.

Time is a human thing and might not even exist for them.

<snip>

Anyway, this is just an observation. I don´t want to go off topic.




RAF ~ Thank you for you observation.


If the ETs and EDs didn't care, then why would the visit us here on Earth so many, many times over the last thousands of years?


It's well-established that there's an enormous level of ET/ED activity here on Earth and I do have a number of perceptions of exactly why they are so interested in humans on Earth.


~Mozart

Hey mate,

I know there are some non human intelligent beings interacting and observing us.

I also have many hypothesis or possible explanations for that, but they are just speculative and full of holes, just like any other possible explanation I´ve heard about.

Again, to be completely honest and sincere with you, I don´t know.

Could be so many things; could be things that we just can´t reach with our intellectual abilities; Could be things impossible to describe with our language, moral principles, logic and philosophy.

Just to put things in perspective, could a bird rationalize and possibly understand our human actions? Could we humans, rationalize and understand an incredibly more advanced race´s actions?

I´m not saying I´m right or someone else is wrong. I wouldn´t dare to be assertive with this subject.

All I´m saying is that, in my opinion, all I see is always a bunch of persons trying to figure out something that´s much beyond the capacity of our intelligence.

Anyway, I´ll listen to this interview. I always do. It doesn´t hurt to look for answers, right? Who knows, maybe someone could connect the dots correctly one of these days. :)

Cheers,

Raf.

Billy
8th May 2012, 22:46
I also believe that lower dimensional ET's do not want rid of humans but wish to control them for their own benefit,

I also believe that many lower dimensional ET's are relying on humans to assist them with their own personal ascension process. Through the interaction of humans DNA systems from many lower and higher civilizations. We are the key to universal peace for many universal civilizations. If humanity through all their tribes can find peace on earth we bring peace to much of the universe.

peace

DreamsInDigital
8th May 2012, 22:50
my question in the OP is to try to get people to think about how in hell has not an advanced ET group not taken over Earth with superior weaponry? It's too easy for them to do it on a overt level, yet that's not happened.
It's a good question, from the perspective of the Positive and Neutral oriented ET/EDs. From what I understand in my research and my own interactions with the ones I communicate with and those of my friends that they communicate with. The STO/Positives and Neutrals have no desire to invade our planet, they just don't want to. There is a multitude of different reasons beyond that but to sum it up, they just don't. Tolec summed up the agenda of the Reptoids, quite nicely. I've had others provide me information that points to his and his Andromedan's perspective being fairly accurate.

I think this is a great thread in the desire to get people to really stop and think about the motives of the various races, it's a brilliant idea. I always enjoy your threads because they really do get people to stop and think. Or are just so flat out entertaining that like a great book, I just can't put it down.

qbeac
8th May 2012, 22:51
Great points, Mozart, five stars to your thread because it goes to the root of the mystery about the relationship between the human race and other ET/ED races, both positive and negative (or STS and STO).

I’ll put forward another argument: some people seem to be very sure about the existence of the dark ETs (reptilians, etc.) and are very concerned of their great power, etc. And I think they are right because those ET races do seem to exist and to have been negatively influencing this planet for eons.

But couldn’t you use the same type of logic to defend the existence of the good ETs?

So, maybe there is a battle going on at many different levels: at our human level, at the physical ET level, at the higher dimensional level, etc…???

And maybe those levels influence each others? For instance: good and dark ETs are allowed to intervene in the human affairs but only according to the level of human consciousness. If that level goes up, then the good ETs are given the green light to help (to a certain degree), and if that level goes down, then the dark ETs are allowed to prosper… could that be what’s been happening more or less…???

If that was the case, the level of human consciousness would be a vital factor in the equation of what’s been going on in this planet. And if that was the case, we (human beings) may hold the key to our future, and the key is our level of consciousness.

In any case, let’s see what David Wilcock has to say about it on Coast to Coast. We’ll stay tuned.

peace
8th May 2012, 22:59
Avalonians ~


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/05/09

Excerpt:




Divine Intervention

Date: 05-09-12

Host: George Noory

Guests: David Wilcock, Col. John Alexander

Intuitive researcher and filmmaker, David Wilcock, will discuss physical examples of divine intervention thwarting efforts to start WWIII.

Additionally, he'll report on an incredible 1,200 year-old thread of evidence that shows these interventions have been planned for a long time, and are part of an organized movement toward a golden age of humanity, which will include teleportation & time travel, and spontaneous evolution.

In the first hour, Col. John Alexander will talk about the reality of UFOs.


¤=[Post Update]=¤

I also want to use this thread to create a post that's been in my head for several weeks, so this is a good opportunity to do so now.


First of all, it is an a priori for me that UFOs exist and that Extra-Terrestrials exist (ETs) and Extra-Dimensionals exist, too. I don't think that anyone in this forum could make a strong argument that would effectively rebut the idea of the reality and existence of UFOs, hence the first point that I'm making for this thread about the a priori of the UFOs. It's a given that they exist.


The second a priori of this thread is that the difficulties of space travel are just about utterly impossible for anybody to travel about anywhere via chemical propulsion of any kind. Such propulsion is out. Period. No-go there.


The third a priori is that the current scientists have pretty much established that even if we developed the means to travel at the speed of light, travel in space would be next-to-impossible, given that so much time would elapse in a long trip at light speed that could take just a few weeks for the astronauts, but decades of life would go by on Earth during the "short" two-week trip, so imagine the shock that the astronauts would experience if they came back, only to see the whole world radically changed and to see their own, say, children all grown up and being older than the astronauts.


So we have these three a prioris for this thread:

1) That UFOs, ETs and EDs exist; and,

2) That long distance space travel via chemical propulsion is utterly impossible; and,

3) That space travel at the speed of light is extremely problematic and impractical.


So if the we operate with these three a prioris that UFOs and ETs/EDs really, then isn't it VERY clear to any of you that the technologies of ANY visiting ETs and/or EDs would be way, way, WAY more advanced than ours here on Earth? Yes?


So then this begs this critical question:

How on Earth have we not yet been taken over by ETs in our 3-D space/time reality with dark intentions?


How?


And what I mean by "takeover" is the maximal kind -- the ETs invading us openly in 3-D space/time with massive losses of life of humans, with the ETs taking over and living on Earth, supplanting the native human population. Major, maximal changes like that.


So how has that not happened, given that it's abundantly clear that the ETs/EDs clearly have superior technology that would certainly include superior firepower that would flat-out overwhelm our militaries world-wide in a day or less. Total, flat-out defeat of us humans.


And yet, here we are, existing on Earth and being able to live our lives uninterrupted in 3-D space/time.


And yes, there certainly have been massive infiltrations of dark ETs/EDs infiltrating into and around our Earth with massive and intricate levels of realities that interweave with our nominal 3-D space/time reality as we know it -- absolutely that has happened.


But we humans on Earth in 3-D space/time have not been wiped out by ETs, despite their very obvious abilities to wipe us out?


So how on Earth has this potential wipe out of humans have NOT HAPPENED?


~Mozart

This is an excellent thread topic. My only problem is with #3. There is an assumption there that that's how "they" are traveling. My question to that would be; If they are so advanced (and I agree, with 1 and 2 are GREAT points) wouldn't they have found a way around the pesky "speed of light problem?

So, if they haven't, if they actually aren't that advanced and space is so STUPIDLY HUGE where does that leave us?

I started with an idea here, then my head started hurting. Do you see where I'm going?

Great idea, though, certainly.

And again, RM has a good point. What if they don't care. Maybe we are seen as kids that aren't mature enough to sit at the grown ups table. So them being so advanced and so technologically superior, they've been able to just mask much, not all, but much of their presence.

I don't know. Great questions.

Mozart
8th May 2012, 23:09
I think this is a great thread in the desire to get people to really stop and think about the motives of the various races, it's a brilliant idea. I always enjoy your threads because they really do get people to stop and think. Or are just so flat out entertaining that like a great book, I just can't put it down.




DID ~


Thank you very much for your warm words, DID. I really do appreciate them. And I always am on the lookout for your posts as well.


And you do such an awesome job over at Kettler's site. I've sent Kettler's info out and about and people have been telling me "You should go check out this Sunfire dude!" <grin>


~Mozart

KiwiElf
8th May 2012, 23:10
# 3 - Well I guess "they" have found a way(s). If the various alleged "secret space program" & ET propulsion systems (ie electro-magneto-gravitific etc) are anything to go by, they do literally "warp space", creating little vortexes/worm holes etc. Therefore they still are within the speed of light in terms of physical speed so no "rules" are broken.

Mozart
8th May 2012, 23:12
Anyway, I´ll listen to this interview. I always do. It doesn´t hurt to look for answers, right? Who knows, maybe someone could connect the dots correctly one of these days. :)




Raf ~


You have such a wonderful attitude and energy!


When I finally get my anti-gravity, free-energy-powered horseless carriage and when I finally take off to see Brazil for myself, finally, I'll certainly like to treat you to a lunch at a place of your choice.


~Mozart

Mozart
8th May 2012, 23:17
This is an excellent thread topic. My only problem is with #3. There is an assumption there that that's how "they" are traveling. My question to that would be; If they are so advanced (and I agree, with 1 and 2 are GREAT points) wouldn't they have found a way around the pesky "speed of light problem?




peace ~


Yes, you bet that they've found ways to side-step the "pesky speed of light problem". It's wormholes -- Einstein/Rosen Bridges -- that enables them to zip from one place to another at incredible speeds.


I was told recently that the ETs who are working with us humans right now had come from about 500 light years away, but they got here in just a bit over 24 hours; they were expected to show up in about 48 hours.


They zipped through numerous wormholes. That's how they do it.


Then when you get more advanced, you don't even need wormholes -- you just zip right through it all, and POOF, there you are. As quick as thought.


~Mozart

RMorgan
8th May 2012, 23:18
Anyway, I´ll listen to this interview. I always do. It doesn´t hurt to look for answers, right? Who knows, maybe someone could connect the dots correctly one of these days. :)




Raf ~


You have such a wonderful attitude and energy!


When I finally get my anti-gravity, free-energy-powered horseless carriage and when I finally take off to see Brazil for myself, finally, I'll certainly like to treat you to a lunch at a place of your choice.


~Mozart

Hahaha! Thanks mate! You would surely be welcomed here anytime! :)

Cheers,

Raf.

Deega
8th May 2012, 23:22
Thanks Mozart, great Tread, anxious to see what will come of this interview..!, I’m not sure if the following goes with the title of this Tread but here it is.

IMHO, I think that our body is the limiting factor in the equation!, our spirit, our soul can adapt to whatever speed, whatever time, whatever distance, but not yet our body. So when I think of divine intervention, I don’t expect it from outside of me, I expect it within me. And to go about it, I need to establish a program for such a thing. Our divine being is as far reaching as the divine being from above.

As many here are aware of Michael Newton work, our body (containing our spirit, soul) go through the process of being born (being guided), managed through ages, get old, die (received by our celestial family). Our spirit, our soul are caught on an endless circular motion where we are guided to a new life here on Earth. And the fundamental principle that hold on to this circular motion is the degree of «love attainment».

To get outside of this circular motion, we need to progress toward higher love such that we will reach another world (whatever dimension you like), were the circular motion of this one is similar to the former. And I think that it goes on and on, the manifestation of God going!

Then, personally, I don’t expect an outside intervention by ET, though I believe in them, I think that they created us, and they don’t want to temper with their creation.

On the spirit level, we can establish contact with these entities, but as we know, it’s a personal thing and it can't be generalized for others.

All the best to you.

Deega

peace
9th May 2012, 02:13
ha, we call them einstein/rosen bridges - wonder what 'they' call them? ;)

i wonder if there is anything doing with the whole "stars are wormholes" info we've all happened upon recently? or are they created bridges? or naturally occurring phenomena or if black holes/white holes are utilized?

DreamsInDigital
9th May 2012, 02:46
All Stars are Star Gates, then there is Worm Holes and Portals. Portals are planetary, and Wormholes are the same as Portals just up in space and transverse a longer distance than portals do.

KiwiElf
9th May 2012, 02:50
ha, we call them einstein/rosen bridges - wonder what 'they' call them? ;)

i wonder if there is anything doing with the whole "stars are wormholes" info we've all happened upon recently? or are they created bridges? or naturally occurring phenomena or if black holes/white holes are utilized?

Interesting idea as the ancient Egyptian word for 'star' also means 'door', ie they perceived stars as 'openings' (to something)..
(refer to Harry Hinde)

peace
9th May 2012, 04:23
All Stars are Star Gates, then there is Worm Holes and Portals. Portals are planetary, and Wormholes are the same as Portals just up in space and transverse a longer distance than portals do.

not trying to undermine the OP:
but, just thinking about a universe that is ever expanding, always moving: how does navigation though space/time work if everything is always moving? i suppose i could get it for stars, being that it's probably "fairly" relative. but portals and wormholes? how do "they" account for this expansion?

so: say you leave a 'portal' on earth, go to wherever it takes you (IF you can get there since everything is expanding/moving) then expect to get back to the same point in space, minus the time you were gone (SINCE everything is expanding and moving)? and i'm assuming that time is important here, to them (us?) it may not be ... but in this scenario, say it is: i leave through a portal and am gone 4 minutes. when i come back i expect to come back to earth and see 4 minutes passed. the earth has since moved 4 minutes in time and space (a long way in 4 minutes) how is this done? how do i not come back just floating in the middle of space, where the earth was? (REALLY sorry, this is where my mind goes on stuff like this)

i guess this is under the assumption these points are fixed? maybe through the quantum foam that makes up the universe/multi-verse at the tiniest, level?

not trying to hijack the thread, just throwing some ideas out there :peace:

(slap me if this is way off)

StarDust
9th May 2012, 04:49
Good listen here. Kerry Cassidy interviews Sheldon Nidle. I wasnt such a fan of Sheldons till i listened to this interview. Have a listen. I give it 5 stars. Sheldon Nails it shut. IMO.

WhiteFeather,

Please proceed with caution with regard to channeled information from Sheldon Nidle. Sheldon channels from the Galactic Federation of Light (GFL) which he confirms on his own site. The channels eminating from the GFL are known to originate from a Reptoid AI ship and contain hidden dangers.

peace
9th May 2012, 04:53
and to your last points:
i've seen, myself, something up close in the night sky. very recently. part of me thinks it was "ours" part of me doesn't.

i tend to think something did happen in roswell, those years ago, and since and maybe well, well before.

another part of me thinks. DAMN: THE UNIVERSE IS HUUUUUUGE. No way is some chemical propellant getting anything anywhere. Warping through space/time is theoretically a "fast" (because what does fast mean when you are manipulating space and time) way to get around.

Odds are way in the favor of other life out there. And still good odds for other intelligent life, and further, life that has developed well beyond our capabilities.

but even with all those odds in our favor: the universe is just gargantuan. all those odds listed above can go out the window when you are talking of billions upon billions of stars, galaxies, et al, and the amount of SPACE between. i don't know.

i'll let you all discuss, goodnight!

DreamsInDigital
9th May 2012, 05:11
Peace, i'll do my best to try and provide mine and the perspective of the ET/EDs that I communicate with, but tomorrow. I'm way to tired tonight. It has to do with many different things, and I doubt I'll be able to comment on it all, but will share what I can and what I have when I can think a little more clearer. :) Another thing I love about Mozart, he inspires such intelligent questions and brain meanderings as the ones you presented.

KiwiElf
9th May 2012, 07:31
For anyone interested, one of the more recent ANCIENT ALIENS episodes overviews & discusses many of these things -: ANCIENT ALIENS S4E09 - The Time Travellers

EDIT: Please note: these tend to get removed from YouTube - watch while you can

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danceblackcatdance
9th May 2012, 09:19
cool thread :)


It is my understanding that Earth's enviroment is not conducive for other entities to inhabit for long periods of time. I would also think that we do serve a purpose- a food source for negative entities to feed off of via the lower vibrations one puts out which harnesses all the lower energies such as fear and anger- could be why so much effort is put into fear mongering the masses. When the shift to higher vibrations takes place they will have to feed off of someone else as that type of behavior will hopefully be something of the past.

yeah, if it was a physical resource based take over surely it would have been done via technological superiority long time ago... if a civ was infinitely more technologically advanced why would they have any need for physical resources from earth...

what DreamsInDigital posted in #4 infiltration on that level would make sense if they wanted wholesale take over of minds / spiritual energy etc... perhaps feeding on the fear, negative enslavement or whatever...

the fact that we don't live in total enslavement / spiritual darkness and more seem to be breaking away from a fear paradigm would suggest that benevolents are helping to counteract...

Magnus
9th May 2012, 15:24
If there are an infinite amount of parallel universes, wouldn't there be a wealth of different versions of our planet? Space, universe or if you like, the void, as we know it, is probably also infinite. If there is any logic to this idea, it leaves us with an infinite amount of infinity in an infinite number of parallel universes, in other words the space around us is totally endless. If i were aware that i was an ET/ED, who was aware of all this unimaginable infinity and in perfect control to fully master it at the touch of thought or similar, i believe it would be rather pointless to by force make claim of this specific planet in this specific dimension in this specific universe. It would probably interest me more to enjoy humanity as a neighborhood from an previously uninhabited parallel version of earth, in that way plenty of room for everybody. The thoughts of all this is staggering and makes one wonder who designed and constructed the void, the system of dimensions and parallel universes, the spacetime matrix, molecules and antimatter and what is it that enables all this to exist at all? Are ET god? I belive there are answers to questions like this, but will we be able to recognize the answer when it's presented to us? Maybe a silly answer could be that we are god, an illusion made by the illusion itself, a now malfunct illusion stuck in loops, unable to realize the existence of the malfunction that is corrupting the illusions awareness of itself? I'm constantly frustrated by the feeling that we are prisoners of our own minds.

peace
9th May 2012, 15:47
If there are an infinite amount of parallel universes, wouldn't there be a wealth of different versions of our planet? Space, universe or if you like, the void, as we know it, is probably also infinite. If there is any logic to this idea, it leaves us with an infinite amount of infinity in an infinite number of parallel universes, in other words the space around us is totally endless. If i were aware that i was an ET/ED, who was aware of all this unimaginable infinity and in perfect control to fully master it at the touch of thought or similar, i believe it would be rather pointless to by force make claim of this specific planet in this specific dimension in this specific universe. It would probably interest me more to enjoy humanity as a neighborhood from an previously uninhabited parallel version of earth, in that way plenty of room for everybody. The thoughts of all this is staggering and makes one wonder who designed and constructed the void, the system of dimensions and parallel universes, the spacetime matrix, molecules and antimatter and what is it that enables all this to exist at all? Are ET god? I belive there are answers to questions like this, but will we be able to recognize the answer when it's presented to us? Maybe a silly answer could be that we are god, an illusion made by the illusion itself, a now malfunct illusion stuck in loops, unable to realize the existence of the malfunction that is corrupting the illusions awareness of itself? I'm constantly frustrated by the feeling that we are prisoners of our own minds.

you just broke my brain. this is an excellent batch of thoughts and questions; fun stuff to think about.

Seikou-Kishi
9th May 2012, 16:32
If there are an infinite amount of parallel universes, wouldn't there be a wealth of different versions of our planet? Space, universe or if you like, the void, as we know it, is probably also infinite. If there is any logic to this idea, it leaves us with an infinite amount of infinity in an infinite number of parallel universes, in other words the space around us is totally endless. If i were aware that i was an ET/ED, who was aware of all this unimaginable infinity and in perfect control to fully master it at the touch of thought or similar, i believe it would be rather pointless to by force make claim of this specific planet in this specific dimension in this specific universe. It would probably interest me more to enjoy humanity as a neighborhood from an previously uninhabited parallel version of earth, in that way plenty of room for everybody. The thoughts of all this is staggering and makes one wonder who designed and constructed the void, the system of dimensions and parallel universes, the spacetime matrix, molecules and antimatter and what is it that enables all this to exist at all? Are ET god? I belive there are answers to questions like this, but will we be able to recognize the answer when it's presented to us? Maybe a silly answer could be that we are god, an illusion made by the illusion itself, a now malfunct illusion stuck in loops, unable to realize the existence of the malfunction that is corrupting the illusions awareness of itself? I'm constantly frustrated by the feeling that we are prisoners of our own minds.

The thing about infinity is it's a very strange idea. If you have a car park with an infinite number of cars, and half of the cars were red and half were blue, there would be an infinite number of red cars. In the same way, if there were a hotel room with an infinite number of rooms, they could all be full but there would still be an infinite number of empty rooms (because the choice between vacant or occupied is same as the choice between red or blue cars). The idea of infinity is that every possibility is allowed and every possibility is infinitely allowed. That means any alien civilisation trying to dominate worlds can never bring all worlds under their dominion; as the worlds under their control increase, the number of worlds not under their control is still infinite, and any finite number in comparison to infinity (or 'the infinite number') will always be infinitesimally small as to approach (but never really reach) absolute insignificance.

foreverfan
9th May 2012, 17:31
The truth is... I don't know.

Magnus
9th May 2012, 17:50
If there are an infinite amount of parallel universes, wouldn't there be a wealth of different versions of our planet? Space, universe or if you like, the void, as we know it, is probably also infinite. If there is any logic to this idea, it leaves us with an infinite amount of infinity in an infinite number of parallel universes, in other words the space around us is totally endless. If i were aware that i was an ET/ED, who was aware of all this unimaginable infinity and in perfect control to fully master it at the touch of thought or similar, i believe it would be rather pointless to by force make claim of this specific planet in this specific dimension in this specific universe. It would probably interest me more to enjoy humanity as a neighborhood from an previously uninhabited parallel version of earth, in that way plenty of room for everybody. The thoughts of all this is staggering and makes one wonder who designed and constructed the void, the system of dimensions and parallel universes, the spacetime matrix, molecules and antimatter and what is it that enables all this to exist at all? Are ET god? I belive there are answers to questions like this, but will we be able to recognize the answer when it's presented to us? Maybe a silly answer could be that we are god, an illusion made by the illusion itself, a now malfunct illusion stuck in loops, unable to realize the existence of the malfunction that is corrupting the illusions awareness of itself? I'm constantly frustrated by the feeling that we are prisoners of our own minds.

The thing about infinity is it's a very strange idea. If you have a car park with an infinite number of cars, and half of the cars were red and half were blue, there would be an infinite number of red cars. In the same way, if there were a hotel room with an infinite number of rooms, they could all be full but there would still be an infinite number of empty rooms (because the choice between vacant or occupied is same as the choice between red or blue cars). The idea of infinity is that every possibility is allowed and every possibility is infinitely allowed. That means any alien civilisation trying to dominate worlds can never bring all worlds under their dominion; as the worlds under their control increase, the number of worlds not under their control is still infinite, and any finite number in comparison to infinity (or 'the infinite number') will always be infinitesimally small as to approach (but never really reach) absolutely insignificance.

Thanks, great contribution!
It seems that you and i share a bit more ground than was apparent to me a few threads back. :)

aranuk
9th May 2012, 18:03
Anyway, I´ll listen to this interview. I always do. It doesn´t hurt to look for answers, right? Who knows, maybe someone could connect the dots correctly one of these days. :)



Raf ~


You have such a wonderful attitude and energy!


When I finally get my anti-gravity, free-energy-powered horseless carriage and when I finally take off to see Brazil for myself, finally, I'll certainly like to treat you to a lunch at a place of your choice.


~Mozart


Be careful Mozart Raf has expensive taste.:p

Stan

Mozart
10th May 2012, 05:27
Ok,


I hope that people can post their thoughts and reactions to what David Wilcock will be saying tonight in his Coast to Coast appearance.


It's my understanding that David will be appearing during the second hour, which is just a bit over a half-hour from the moment of my typing out this post.


I'll be getting an mp3 to do the transcription work, anyways, but I have to wait until the transcripts start to come in before I get a chance to read what was said ... hence the value of anecdotal reports and summaries from listeners.


~Mozart

Whiskey_Mystic
10th May 2012, 05:39
Meet you in the chat room.

crosby
10th May 2012, 05:59
can anyone join?
regards, corson

i mean, can anyone listen and join in? or do you have to be a member or something?

StarDust
10th May 2012, 06:13
can anyone join?
regards, corson

i mean, can anyone listen and join in? or do you have to be a member or something?

No. It's for free, now live. DW is on for the next 3 hours!

crosby
10th May 2012, 06:14
could you provide me with a link?
regards, corson
oh i see, you have to be a member. oh well.

Tangri
10th May 2012, 06:15
For short transcript you can use David's link

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1054-divineintervention

apokalypse
10th May 2012, 06:17
i'm listen on Live Stream right now as i type this out... http://www.newsradioklbj.com/Other/Stream.html

Tangri
10th May 2012, 06:19
http://player.640toronto.com/

he is talking right now

karelia
10th May 2012, 13:21
Does anyone know if it's archived anywhere? Youtube doesn't seem to bring anything up. Thanks.

we-R-one
10th May 2012, 15:47
I listened last night, but it's so late that I half dozed off so I need to listen again. Something to note...right at the very end of the program when David was answering the last two caller's questions he got cut off. I think the last caller might have tricked the screener to get on. His first question was asking for an update on the mass arrests which are coming near to a supposed date of 30 to 45 days if I remember correctly. The caller was referring to a past interview done on April 8th. And then he asked a second question about the U.N. which I believe that was the first question he used with the screener to get on. Interesting that there was no talk or update on his interview with Drake unless I missed it. You would have thought that would have been on the top of the list for all callers who got in. I could have missed it since I was half asleep.....I gotta believe that they were screening the calls though they say they don't.

Anyways, I always like what David has to say and I enjoy listening to him so I will definitely listen again to pick up what I missed. Still wish he would have stayed out of the whole Drake thing, but I do understand why he felt he had to "go there" and I respect his choice and all the hard work he puts in to get the information out to the public.

PS David did come back on at the last minute of the show but avoided answering the caller's questions about the mass arrests, though he didn't have much time.

Whiskey_Mystic
10th May 2012, 16:36
David was entertaining as ever. He addressed a wide range of topics aimed at a general audience. I love the way he can just talk and talk and keep talking without needing interview questions and yet still keep it interesting. I'm glad I got to listen.

StarDust
10th May 2012, 16:46
I enjoyed David's interview. The 10 minutes of bad commercials every 20 min was annoying. Don't think I'll be listening to Noory much as a result. But the messaging was good.

Billy
10th May 2012, 16:57
Does anyone know if it's archived anywhere? Youtube doesn't seem to bring anything up. Thanks.

:bump: what Karelia said :bump:

marielle
10th May 2012, 17:00
I have not listened to this yet but I found part 1 on youtube and I'm guessing the other parts are there too:


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Star Tsar
10th May 2012, 17:01
Here ya go Billyji


http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA2F6CCE82260E455&feature=plcp

:)

karelia
10th May 2012, 17:18
Full length:

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Billy
10th May 2012, 17:20
thank you K.W.B David comes in on video 2 here

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video 3
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video 4
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Billy
10th May 2012, 17:36
Pictures of the Sriyantra carved in the dry lake bed in Oregon. That David mentions in the interview

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aranuk
10th May 2012, 18:26
Is there a proper link? All the ones above seem to be adverts non stop.

Stan

wynderer
10th May 2012, 18:51
isn't this kind if like Drake striking out, & the saviour ETs taking their turn at the bat?

GoodETxSG
10th May 2012, 19:17
There are more that the evil ET Reptilians and Gray's flying around out there ya know? If there are Evil ones around to clone us make hybrids of us then reason stands that there may be some neutral or good ones... just a thought. No religious convictions for that argument either way for me... just saying, we have to make our own futures and defeat evil as much as we can on our own, it doesn't mean any human plan has struck out yet (God helps those who help themselves)... but if an actual Angelic or Service to Others type of Alien really wants to help us out... I will give them a listen. Meanwhile we keep the heat on the Cabal by exposing them and making nice w/their enemies... hoping they are not worse. The ole "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing.

Anyway...

Here you go Aranuk... the 2 of 4 is the beginning of DW's interview.

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The links above worked for me, but you may want to copy and paste this link into your browser... the one w/the Football is the first one w/DW... why a football? No idea...

frozen alchemy
10th May 2012, 20:17
Just FYI: 'MrThemastercleanser' on Youtube posts a lot of the C2C shows with the commercials taken out. He only does the ones he likes but it seems to be the ones I'm interested in also. Lately he also is posting some classic Art Bell Somewhere In Time radio shows that are fun, also. He used to be able to post the whole show at once but lately has only been able to do them in 15 minute segments.

KiwiElf
12th May 2012, 01:51
All Stars are Star Gates, then there is Worm Holes and Portals. Portals are planetary, and Wormholes are the same as Portals just up in space and transverse a longer distance than portals do.

not trying to undermine the OP:
but, just thinking about a universe that is ever expanding, always moving: how does navigation though space/time work if everything is always moving? i suppose i could get it for stars, being that it's probably "fairly" relative. but portals and wormholes? how do "they" account for this expansion?

so: say you leave a 'portal' on earth, go to wherever it takes you (IF you can get there since everything is expanding/moving) then expect to get back to the same point in space, minus the time you were gone (SINCE everything is expanding and moving)? and i'm assuming that time is important here, to them (us?) it may not be ... but in this scenario, say it is: i leave through a portal and am gone 4 minutes. when i come back i expect to come back to earth and see 4 minutes passed. the earth has since moved 4 minutes in time and space (a long way in 4 minutes) how is this done? how do i not come back just floating in the middle of space, where the earth was? (REALLY sorry, this is where my mind goes on stuff like this)

i guess this is under the assumption these points are fixed? maybe through the quantum foam that makes up the universe/multi-verse at the tiniest, level?

not trying to hijack the thread, just throwing some ideas out there :peace:

(slap me if this is way off)

It is a really complex subject. I guess it would be possible to use a 'super-inertial guidance system" focused & triangulated on some centre point (ie galaxy, universe... ahh whatever... and of coz, the calculations at which every known body is moving at, relative to those... and factor in time, different dimensions - layers - (infinite) ... ummmm yah ... complex) :). Perhaps the idea is, if all planets, stars etc have stargate "attachment" points on their surface - perhaps a natural feature of creation, who knows???? The stargates move with the planets/stars and I would guess, stargates in the actual space/time continuum as well. ie they dynamically stretch and are "attached" like a lattice/matrix/current,... so there is always an automatic or calculable link/connection if you have the technology? A super universal interdimensional GPS!

Just as our maps and weather charts must be dynamically updated from time to time to allow for land mass displacement, we know the magnetic poles are shifting slowly (at the moment), so GPS' are eventually updated, overall global weather changes are a different story... Aieee - teleporting is so much easier ?? ;)