barry satoro(obama) issue to rear its head again

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/a/u/2/myM_OGnfcNM


i dont listen to jones often only when he has certain guests and you tube only

this interveiw is very interesting, it ties in with freemans perspective on the slow degradation of the office of president on the usa starting with (clinton (affair exposed,bush electoral fraud, obama non citizen).:eek:

[Humble Janitor]

At this point, I don't think it really matters. It would do no good to continue to harp upon this rumor.

[Redtailhawk]

At this point, I don't think it really matters. It would do no good to continue to harp upon this rumor.

Humble Janitor, The FACT that Barry Soetoro was adopted in Indonesia is NOT a "rumor".....but, a verifiable fact. This is a most serious matter, and effects everything this alleged usurper is signing into law. We are seemingly being taken over by the "inside".

[bosr]

Rumor or not, I would like to see Obama present his credentials like everyone else is required to do and sqash this thing once and for all.

[Redtailhawk]

Barry Soetoro has spent over 1.5 million to quash all legal action to force him to show his long form birth certificate....does that not tell you all something? Who in their right mind, if questioned about their authenticity, would not relish in coming up with the proper documents to quash all the "birthers" if they were able? The man is a FRAUD!

[starsmoonmtns]

I have to agree 'strongly' with Redtailhawk on this one guys! The fact that this matter has still NOT been resolved or even taken seriously by our so-called politicians, not to mention most US citizens is a serious red-flag! Barry is a FRAUD! And, unfortunately, the American people are still asleep on this matter. And, it isn't even just his birth certificate that is at issue here, it goes way beyond that...
school records for one.

It is NOT over, till it's over.... what's the guy hiding?

[pilotsimone]

I don't see the significance. To me, this is Illuminati still playing off of the deep-seated racism that exists in a portion of the US population. Or really sore losers. Take your pick. LOL. Seeking to divide...to create fear...to keep HATE at the forefront of a good portion of Americans when we need only unite to find peace.

[Burke]

well this was the deciding moment for me that told me where Obama stands with the Illuminati

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there are alot more videos available on how much these guys hate Obama if you care to look em up on youtube

[Humble Janitor]

Barry Soetoro has spent over 1.5 million to quash all legal action to force him to show his long form birth certificate....does that not tell you all something? Who in their right mind, if questioned about their authenticity, would not relish in coming up with the proper documents to quash all the "birthers" if they were able? The man is a FRAUD!

And how much longer is this birther garbage going to drag on, while the country falls apart?

[Majorion]

I don't think it makes any difference. Indeed the whole birther issue is irrelevant anyway, so even if you find out the guy (Obama) is not actually eligible, so what? say he's kicked out of office right now, what then? next thing is an even worse President that won't make much of a difference, I don't need to remind you guys these are all just puppets there to give speeches, sign papers, and take heat. Don't give importance to a puppet, you all know very well; your issues are rooted with the controllers. And as a general rule; anything that gets coverage on the MSM is usually irrelevant, this "issue" is no exception.

[bosr]

I don't see the significance. To me, this is Illuminati still playing off of the deep-seated racism that exists in a portion of the US population. Or really sore losers. Take your pick. LOL. Seeking to divide...to create fear...to keep HATE at the forefront of a good portion of Americans when we need only unite to find peace.
Doesn't make sense to me. We are quick to point our fingers and puff out our chests at claims of infidelity, pedophilia, financial transgressions, etc. but try to follow the issues on this and behold ~ Now your'e a racist or loser. I'm sure you were poking fun and I'm not picking on you pilotsimone, but it was ok to have congressional hearings regarding McCain's citizenship without racial slurs et. al. The more they try to position themselves as the victim the more we need to pay attention.


And how much longer is this birther garbage going to drag on, while the country falls apart?
Hopefully until Obama releases his documents. In the mean time our states are beginning to push for nullification of federal laws that exceed the limits of our constitution. As individuals, we can remain independent of government by not thinking we have a "right" to benefits that come at the expense of others. As a collective we can vote out our pathetic representatives with poor track records (most of them) rather than voting because they are a good speaker, nice looking, a certain race or they make us feel good.


And as a general rule; anything that gets coverage on the MSM is usually irrelevant, this "issue" is no exception.
I haven't seen MSM covering this so it must be relevant. :)

[Majorion]

I haven't seen MSM covering this so it must be relevant. :)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5182746-503544.html
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/17/2073514.aspx
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/27/gibbs-shoots-down-birthers/?fbid=Nm8wYS0iiQ0
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/07/29/tommy-seno-obama-birthers/
http://www.aolnews.com/story/lou-dobbs-birther-coverage-is-challenge/599964
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25933.html
http://mediamatters.org/research/200905280018
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/28/birther-movement-obama-citizenship
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-porter/billionares-for-wealth-ca_b_273117.html

Nope, not relevant.

[bosr]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5182746-503544.html
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/17/2073514.aspx
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/27/gibbs-shoots-down-birthers/?fbid=Nm8wYS0iiQ0
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/07/29/tommy-seno-obama-birthers/
http://www.aolnews.com/story/lou-dobbs-birther-coverage-is-challenge/599964
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25933.html
http://mediamatters.org/research/200905280018
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/28/birther-movement-obama-citizenship
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-porter/billionares-for-wealth-ca_b_273117.html

Nope, not relevant.

Except for the 100 to 1 ratio of alternative media vs. msm. Maybe I should have said msm is not giving the issue very much coverage considering the amount of air time in comparison to Tiger Woods boffing his bimbos. Now that is relevant. :)

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

Except for the 100 to 1 ratio of alternative media vs. msm. Maybe I should have said msm is not giving the issue very much coverage considering the amount of air time in comparison to Tiger Woods boffing his bimbos. Now that is relevant. :)

i thought it had died and now its back. i thought lyndon la rouches idea of keeping obama in office post revolution is a good idea, the last thing america needs is to have another impeachment. he seems like a nice chap and hes a good figurehead. the worst thing about it is that even if he isnt bombing black people in ahfpakia and making them homeless in droves in his own place of residence the sheeple think its him doing it. maybe the people will come through and actually be able to make obama do his job properly? THE hoagland/wilcock crew might be right about obama and 2012 cos this is all looking to xome to ahead about then for better or for worse.

[sjkted]

Well, if you want to say we're a nation of laws and we do things the way the laws are decreed, then it would be important for him to present proof of birth on US soil. If not, then we can always look the other way as the Obamacare and immigrants are welcomed in:

The Tenth Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This means that any rights not given to the Federal government are to be held by the people and the states. I don't remember reading anything about healthcare in the constitution.

The point is people are angry and it has nothing to do with the color of the President.

If we are a nation of laws, then why is it the ones inconvenient for the ruling party never seem to be enforced?

--sjkted

[pilotsimone]

Now they're angry? Oh, cry me a river... LOL.


You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.



I wish I could take credit for this succinct response to the fake outrage taking place over healthcare. I stand by my previous post. This isn't about any of the talking points being spewed daily by the talking heads (and apparently in this thread). It's about something much deeper. Frank Rich kinda nailed it in an article today. I'll post it in a few.

[pilotsimone]

No less curious is how disproportionate this red-hot anger is to its proximate cause. The historic Obama-Pelosi health care victory is a big deal, all right, so much so it doesn’t need Joe Biden’s adjective to hype it. But the bill does not erect a huge New Deal-Great Society-style government program. In lieu of a public option, it delivers 32 million newly insured Americans to private insurers. As no less a conservative authority than The Wall Street Journal editorial page observed last week, the bill’s prototype is the health care legislation Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts. It contains what used to be considered Republican ideas.

…

When Social Security was passed by Congress in 1935 and Medicare in 1965, there was indeed heated opposition. As Dana Milbank wrote in The Washington Post, Alf Landon built his catastrophic 1936 presidential campaign on a call for repealing Social Security. (Democrats can only pray that the G.O.P. will “go for it” again in 2010, as Obama goaded them on Thursday, and keep demanding repeal of a bill that by September will shower benefits on the elderly and children alike.) When L.B.J. scored his Medicare coup, there were the inevitable cries of “socialism” along with ultimately empty rumblings of a boycott from the American Medical Association.

But there was nothing like this. To find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill, you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Both laws passed by similar majorities in Congress; the Civil Rights Act received even more votes in the Senate (73) than Medicare (70). But it was only the civil rights bill that made some Americans run off the rails. That’s because it was the one that signaled an inexorable and immutable change in the very identity of America, not just its governance.

…

That a tsunami of anger is gathering today is illogical, given that what the right calls “Obamacare” is less provocative than either the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Medicare, an epic entitlement that actually did precipitate a government takeover of a sizable chunk of American health care. But the explanation is plain: the health care bill is not the main source of this anger and never has been. It’s merely a handy excuse. The real source of the over-the-top rage of 2010 is the same kind of national existential reordering that roiled America in 1964.
In fact, the current surge of anger — and the accompanying rise in right-wing extremism — predates the entire health care debate. The first signs were the shrieks of “traitor” and “off with his head” at Palin rallies as Obama’s election became more likely in October 2008. Those passions have spiraled ever since — from Gov. Rick Perry’s kowtowing to secessionists at a Tea Party rally in Texas to the gratuitous brandishing of assault weapons at Obama health care rallies last summer to “You lie!” piercing the president’s address to Congress last fall like an ominous shot.

If Obama’s first legislative priority had been immigration or financial reform or climate change, we would have seen the same trajectory. The conjunction of a black president and a female speaker of the House — topped off by a wise Latina on the Supreme Court and a powerful gay Congressional committee chairman — would sow fears of disenfranchisement among a dwindling and threatened minority in the country no matter what policies were in play. It’s not happenstance that Frank, Lewis and Cleaver — none of them major Democratic players in the health care push — received a major share of last weekend’s abuse. When you hear demonstrators chant the slogan “Take our country back!,” these are the people they want to take the country back from.


For those who don't know these characters...Rep. Barney Frank is openly gay, Rep. John Lewis is black, and Rep. Emanuel Cleaver is Latino.

You can read this piece in it’s entirety here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opinion/28rich.html?hp7

[xbusymom]

its the cult tactics used to get the 'agenda' enforced... i mean... who in their right mind would start a meeting at something like 3:30 in the afternoon and make it last until almost midnight... they probably voted the health care bill IN just so they could be able to go home...

sorry, but I think Obama talked a good talk and is now walking on a different path... besides, there has been rumor (according to some sources- he is of the bloodline) so it would not matter if he is legal or not... and we have to remember who is next in line if we give Obama the boot... Biden - would he be better? or worse?

[pilotsimone]

its the cult tactics used to get the 'agenda' enforced... i mean... who in their right mind would start a meeting at something like 3:30 in the afternoon and make it last until almost midnight... they probably voted the health care bill IN just so they could be able to go home...

I cannot tell if you're being serious here...cult tactics?

Are being sincere that you can't imagine a meeting lasting for 9 hours over legislation this important? Really?

I was just a computer support tech and I had some meetings that lasted longer than the entire workday (8+ hours). LOL.

Pure silliness these arguments are.

[sjkted]

Now they're angry? Oh, cry me a river... LOL.


You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.



I wish I could take credit for this succinct response to the fake outrage taking place over healthcare. I stand by my previous post. This isn't about any of the talking points being spewed daily by the talking heads (and apparently in this thread). It's about something much deeper. Frank Rich kinda nailed it in an article today. I'll post it in a few.

Simone,

I'm not sure where you're getting all of this from. There are many people who are angry and disguisted at all of these topics and have been for some time. The outrage is real and it will continue. It is not astroturf or media generated.

I started another thread: Does Obama Care even matter?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?578-Does-Obama-Care-Even-Matter&p=4477#post4477

I wonder if you would take a look at my points and respond in kind.

You also seem to have responded to nearly everyone's post except for mine. If we are a nation of laws, why don't we just repeal the 10th ammendment? That is something that could be done and at least it would give the bill some integrity, as it would have a legal footing.

The question here is what country we live in. The country I live in was founded with the Constitution and Bill of Rights as it's founding and guiding documents and as the supreme law of the land. Yes, these were created a long time ago, but they have provided much success for America, especially when you look at other countries. The question is how much power should the Federal Government have and where should it be focused. The difference is between the President as being a federal administrator and a dictator. Presidents have limited power under the laws of the country. Dictators have unlimited power and can do whatever they want.

If you are an American and support the bill, please tell me how is it possible that this bill is passed, yet it clearly violates the current law?

--sjkted

[pilotsimone]

skjted - I'm sorry. I did respond, I just put it on the wrong thread! My apologies.

Here was my response from 2 days ago...

This entire thread was making me feel very bad (emotionally and physically), so I stopped to reflect on this reaction.

I feel I've spent a lot of time outside of Duality lately. Looking back at this thread...clearly, I can get sucked back in when it's something close to my heart.

I see where my sensitivities lie (suffering people) and I tend to judge harshly those who do not view humankind like me. Those who do not prioritize like I might. So, I am obviously still holding onto something that I need to release. Thank you for your viewpoint and for challenging me. If you weren't here to argue with me...I wouldn't know what I think! Alan Watts always says that, but now I really feel what he means. We need each other.

It's my intention to participate in these threads with a light heart from now on...or perhaps they won't hold an interest anymore. That's would be nice too.

Much love and many blessings to you, sjkted. :wub: ...and all others I judged on here (mostly inwardly).

Carry on, please. ;)

[sjkted]

I just saw this video on rense.com. It appears that Michelle Obama is a birther in the sense that she believes Mr. Obama was born in Kenya:

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[Operator]

I don't think it makes any difference.

Expectation wise I think you are probably right ... however something else keeps popping up in my mind all the time:
"Een volk dat voor tirannen zwicht, zal meer dan lijf en goed verliezen, dan dooft het licht."

This is in Dutch and printed on a monument in Amsterdam remembering the 2nd world war.
Translation (by Google) says this:
"A nation that yields to tyrants, more than life and property losses, the light goes out"

Maybe a better translation: "A nation that yields to tyrants will lose more than life and property, the light will cease to exist"

It's only a Google translated page but I think the meaning of this page is still clear:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henk_van_Randwijk&ei=6F67S-W3A4K8lQe43qnKBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DEen%2Bvolk%2Bdat%2Bvoor%2Btirannen%2B zwicht,%2Bzal%2Bmeer%2Bdan%2Blijf%2Ben%2Bgoed%2Bve rliezen.%2BDan%2Bdooft%2Bhet%2Blicht%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DdPr%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official

So probably it's more a case of principle but maybe even a better reason to fight for ... how long and how far do we let them push us around ?

It's not about like or dislike a person ... it's simple principle ...

[Majorion]

Maybe a better translation: "A nation that yields to tyrants will lose more than life and property, the light will cease to exist"
It's one thing to ask for a birth certificate, but to brand persons "tyrant" takes much more. Look I'm not American okay, so left/right politics don't concern me, I call it as it is. He is a politician that is subjected to a witch-hunt on nearly a daily basis, I happen to feel this anger over these Obama issues is misplaced. I dread the days of Bush and everyday speeches about terrorism, at least nowadays things are just a bit more lax. Of course we'll have to wait and see what happens with Iran and if the Israeli/Palestinian conflict can come to resolve, but doubtful though in my opinion.

[Operator]

It's one thing to ask for a birth certificate, but to brand persons "tyrant" takes much more.

I hope it's clear I was not branding a 'person' ... the translation is talking about nation and tyrants ... I don't care if it is this time
about Obama either ... But from the past decades it becomes more and more clear that there is/are faction(s) at work that seem to get
away with foul play (e.g. Kennedy assassination, attempt on Ronald Reagan's life, bashing of Bill Clinton, rigged elections, 9/11 and now this).

If a nation looks away and does not express it's disapproval and fights against dishonesty ... decay of the values of that nation sets in and
becomes more and more unstoppable along the way ...

I also hope I was appealing more to the inhabitants of a nation (to come into appropriate action) rather than seeking tyrants ...
By the lack of action the nation offers opportunity for tyrants to manifest ...

[Majorion]

But from the past decades it becomes more and more clear that there is/are faction(s) at work that seem to get away with foul play (e.g. Kennedy assassination, attempt on Ronald Reagan's life, bashing of Bill Clinton, rigged elections, 9/11 and now this).

Every single event you noted - in my opinion - can all be attributed to an Israeli-American political/lobby/intel faction. The fact is that the U.S have long turned a blind eye to Israel and the Zionists whenever they commit a criminal act, and this has been going on for a very long time now. U.S.S Liberty - brushed under the carpet, JFK assassination - brushed under the carpet, 9/11 - brushed under the carpet, continous attrocities committed against the Palestinian people - brushed under the carpet. The fact that the U.S is in Afghanistan and Iraq and potentially Iran next is even more evidence of who has been dictating U.S foreign policy for the last decade or two at least, lets not forget the enormous funding and over-supply of weaponry they get every year. Not to mention every major media outlet is biased and owned by... you guessed it!

I tend to rarely mention this, because often these statements are miscontrued (deliberately) and so then you get called a Jew hater or better yet get slapped with the "anti-semite" label. Little do those accusers know that I've had Jewish friends in America. Well, its not going to stop me from stating the facts and I will not withhold knowledge of these criminal acts.

[THE eXchanger]

looks like his wife, put her foot in her mouth ;)

[3optic]

Every single event you noted - in my opinion - can all be attributed to an Israeli-American political/lobby/intel faction. The fact is that the U.S have long turned a blind eye to Israel and the Zionists whenever they commit a criminal act, and this has been going on for a very long time now.

Majorion, good to read your posts again. I enjoyed brief discourses with you on AV1. :)

Even if this were true it still constitutes major corruption. The US and CIA turn a blind eye to the Mossad's demolition of the WTC buildings? How is that not collusion? It makes no difference if it were engineered here or in Israel. It constitutes a major betrayal and the precursor to 2 wars and a slew of anti-terrorism laws that have strangled peoples privacy and liberty. Anyone in elected office who may be complicit with or perpetuating these policies can be viewed as a tyrant. This is not a stretch.

I don't think your opinion is anti-semitic. That phrase has been abused as of late.. I do think that you are oversimplifying and may be incorrect about the dynamics involved.

[Majorion]

I don't think your opinion is anti-semitic. That phrase has been abused as of late.. I do think that you are oversimplifying and may be incorrect about the dynamics involved.
Hi 3optic,

Okay, I'll just say "NWO" from now, I promise! :)

[3optic]

There's also "Illuminati", "Anglo-American Establishment", "Elites", "the PTB (Camelot preferred)", "Big Boys At The Top (Thank you, Alan Watt)", and my personal favorite: "International Banking Cartel" which might still raise the ire of the Anti-Defamation League. :P