*Divine Intervention*: ETs Defeating the Old World Order

[Mozart]

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1054-divineintervention

Ok, Avalonians,


David Wilcock has his newest blog out about the Divine interventions that are blatantly happening to defeat the bloody, bastard Old Word Order!


Excerpt:



THE CABAL IS WELL AWARE OF WHO IS DOING THIS

The Cabal has been directly contacted by the people who are responsible for doing this. These intervening ET groups are human, like us -- in fact, they are our long-lost relatives.

Humans on Earth are, in fact, a hybridized race -- from multiple, independent points of origin during the last 200,000 years.

The Cabal has been told they must stand down -- in order to protect the Earth and its many forms of life, including its people.

The people who are forcing the Cabal to surrender are not evil or negative at all. They are the guardians and protectors of our planet.

There appears to be no accident in why our protectors are intervening now -- and why they have not done anything like this before.



Stock up on popcorn, champagne and 4th-of-July fireworks and be prepared to celebrate SOON! If not already!


:party: ... :popcorn: ... :thumb: ... :cheer2:


~Mozart

[Mozart]

The people who are forcing the Cabal to surrender are not evil or negative at all. They are the guardians and protectors of our planet.




Aka, "Asshole Hippies from Outerspace!" :peace:


~Mozart

[crossroader]

Thought it a bit impertinent that David spent a good portion of that post seemingly plugging his latest musical project as well as another musician. I woulda thought that info would be better presented separately in another post... But,it is his blog/site, he can do what he wants.

[white wizard]

Thank you for the update. I think most people on the planet and even the

people on Avalon wont be aware of the change until it is staring them in the

face and by then it will still be a shock. I woke up in 2004 after research anti

gravity propulsion and it has been a rocky journey since. I have had everything I

believed in transform to a whole new understanding of things. One thing I know

is change is the only constant in the universe and there is nothing we can do

to stop that. Things will change, people will become more aware and the reality

will reflect this change. I know this to be true and there is nothing you can

do to convince me otherwise. The big question in what will bring about the

change and how it will unfold. This is the trap people get stuck in, because

instead of seeing the change they argue what will bring about the change

and how the change will happen. If you study history you will notice most

people who experienced change did not see it until long after it happened

few people notice real change, because while massive change might be

happening it might not be affecting you the way it affects other people.

[Mozart]

For example, human IQ scores have been increasing by 3 points per decade -- for over a century. Advances in literacy cannot explain this, as it is occurring in illiterate countries as well.




That's the Flynn Effect.


But there's a Reverse Flynn Effect -- Americans, where they are getting dumb and dumber.


~Mozart

[Airwooz]

Old world order has gone, so here comes the New World Order !:cool::fencing::llama:

[gripreaper]

Old world order has gone, so here comes the New World Order !:cool::fencing::llama:

Pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday. I hope we don't get fooled again!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

[qbeac]

Hi Mozart, 5 stars to your thread!

The only thing I would add is that the elite, in essence, are souls who come from the Source (the Creator), just like us, and they are learning their own lessons, just like us, and this Earth is a school for everybody: the elite, us, and the rest of the life in the planet.

And as David Wilcock says, I also believe there are probably high level ET/ED “management” (very highly evolve spiritual beings) who are supervising this process.

So, even though I think the wisest and healthiest thing to do for the wellbeing of all the life on this planet is to arrest the elite ASAP to prevent them from doing more harm (or destroying the planet, as Pedro Gaete has suggested they could do using scalar waves on Dec-2012), I do not advocate to do the elite the same thing they have done to us (harm), because I believe there is a much higher ‘spiritual’ purpose in all of this.

And that purpose could be multiple things, for instance: learning forgiveness; learning from the consequences of our actions or inactions; maturing as a species and a civilization; learning to love all life (independently from its external appearance), etc.

[Wind]

I liked this update from David, even though I didn't like the advertising part.

The old paradigm is actually already gone, we are now living in the "no time" before the Golden Age or ascension, if you will.

[KiwiElf]

Mozart Dude,

Your "colorful metaphors" always crack me up :D
Was great to read the transcript and see it later on CTC video - thank you! :)

[Mozart]

And that purpose could be multiple things, for instance: learning forgiveness; learning from the consequences of our actions or inactions; maturing as a species and a civilization; learning to love all life (independently from its external appearance), etc.




qbeac ~

You got it, buddy ... all that and more.


KiwiElf ~

YW, buddy and thank you as well.


~Mozart

[qbeac]

From kauilapele’s blog:

David Wilcock on Coast to Coast 5-9-12 (YouTube Video)
Posted on May 10, 2012
http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/david-wilcock-on-coast-to-coast-5-9-12-youtube-video/#more-11146

(Note: See link to YouTube video of David’s interview in link above)

A synopsis of David Wilcock’s interview on Coast to Coast (posted on the previous link):


“Intuitive researcher and filmmaker, David Wilcock, discussed how UFO intervention is thwarting efforts to start WWIII and how this interference is part of an organized movement toward a golden age of humanity. He dubbed these actions “divine intervention,” since it appears that when the UFOs make their presence known it seems to be for benevolent reasons. To that end, he specifically cited craft shutting down nuclear weapons as an example of their positive intent. Given the ephemeral and surreptitious work of these positive UFO events, Wilcock surmised that they are beholden to a “prime directive” to not overtly interfere in human events unless it is absolutely necessary, such as curtailing the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

“According to Wilcock, these benign UFOs are working in opposition against a group he called “the cabal” which consists of the power brokers behind the New World Order agenda. The leaders of the cabal, Wilcock said, are “openly and routinely interacting with a variety of extraterrestrial species,” possess knowledge that humans are actually ET hybrids, and maintain stargates that allow them to leave the Earth at will. He contended that one of the key goals of the cabal, which has been planned for 300 years, is a “mass uncloaking of their true identity and their philosophy.” This philosophy, he said, is rooted in Luciferianism, but has been corrupted over time to espouse ideals like “the manipulation and control of people for the betterment of self” and using occult rituals for personal gain.

“Eventually, he said, this conflict between the benevolent ETs and the cabal will reach a crescendo as the planet shifts into a “golden age” as prophesied by religions and myths around the world. However, he claimed that the prophesies were “cleverly worded” by the ETs to trick the sinister “powers that be” into believing that mass disasters will befall the planet during this transition, thus distracting them and keeping them fearful. Based on his research, Wilcock explained that the shift into a “golden age” is not simply an overnight change for the human race but one that “requires a spiritual evolution to occur.” This evolution, he said, will give the human race a greater understanding of its role in the universe as a whole. Wilcock expressed great optimism that the metamorphosis of the human race, coupled with the intervention of the ETs, will ultimately lead to the crumbling of the nefarious Luciferian cabal.”

[Alie]

Thought it a bit impertinent that David spent a good portion of that post seemingly plugging his latest musical project as well as another musician. I woulda thought that info would be better presented separately in another post... But,it is his blog/site, he can do what he wants.

May I suggest something about blogging. Blogging is the blogger's chance to express EXACTLY what he/she/the corporate wishes. (Totally different than forum etiquette of staying on-topic).

It's an extension of one's self since it is totally under your control. Your readers are those people who want to hear what you have to say. Otherwise, they go elsewhere.

So, I don't think there was ANYTHING WRONG with his blogging about his next venture. He's exited about what's next.

****edit

Ha ha you guys ... why didn't my spell check help me out :) ==> he's excited, yes.

[Sirius White]

More distractions.

We don't need the ET's guys. I mean we do in a spiritual sense.

This is a rouse...

Like GFL...

It's part of the whole agenda of the Cabal to give people false sense of security: Look! WE are losing! We are releasing free energy! Aliens are coming to save you!! New financial system coming tomorrow!

There is a war....but its mostly a war between ancient clans, that emanate from the same families. Both ET and human.

If there is one thing I've learned is:

Everything is EARNED. There is no easy ascension and freedom while 90% of people are still zombified watching jersey shore and in denial. What would they do with that freedom? Do you really think they've even chosen it yet? We have to fight for it. We have to strive to evolve in order to over-come the crisis. THAT'S what causes ascension! THAT is what causes spiritual evolution!

Do you really think ET's got to where they are at today, by having it all handed to them on a silver platter?

[wynderer]

i have seen no evidence that ETs are here to help us -- true, some weapons installations have been knocked out, but that could be explained also by the invading ETs letting the Humans know that resistance is futile

there's plenty of evidence re their hostility to Humans & Life on Earth in general, tho -- the mutilations -- what the survivors of our mind control programs are telling us --what abductees remember & report

the benevolent ETs mostly talk thru Human channelers to tell you all is well -- help is on the way

a saying in my country -- 'Talk is cheap'

[Space_Ace]

I love threads like this! It's why I ignore all fear and doom threads, including the recent one about an impending USA civil war. Won't be allowed to happen as usual and neither will any other major wars, including ww3.

[danceblackcatdance]

wynderer, preventing nuclear holocaust seems pretty significant to me :)

besides finding the odd human body doesn't seem that hostile, i'll get scared when a whole town of mutilations turn up... besides, if a more powerful civ was going to 'take over' wouldn't it have been done by now, what would they be waiting for?

[9eagle9]

He's exited about what's next.

This is rather more correct. Always listen to your subconscious. Typos are its hallmark.

[wynderer]

LOL! took me a while to get it


He's exited about what's next.

This is rather more correct. Always listen to your subconscious. Typos are its hallmark.

[wynderer]

they are NOT preventing nuclear holocaust -- our planet is being badly nuked right now from Fukushima, & when Momma Earth shakes, much more radiation will spread over this planet from all the other nuclear power plants

your survival as a race & the survival of all other forms of Life here are in great jeopardy right now

'the odd human body' was a living breathing feeling Human who had vital organs sucked out of their body while still conscious -- somehow this does not sit right w/me --

& who knows? you yourself may be one of those odd human bodies -- i hope not -- but sometimes lessons in compassion for others come in painful ways


wynderer, preventing nuclear holocaust seems pretty significant to me :)

besides finding the odd human body doesn't seem that hostile, i'll get scared when a whole town of mutilations turn up... besides, if a more powerful civ was going to 'take over' wouldn't it have been done by now, what would they be waiting for?

[danceblackcatdance]

what was the Fukushima death count again?

if a nuclear holocaust had happened i reckon we'd know about it...

:)

[qbeac]

wow, wow, wow !!!

Take a look at Salusa last update by Mike Quinsey posted at Kauilapele’s blog, and notice how well it fits with David Wilcock’s last article (Divine Intervention) and interview on Coast to Coast.

Btw, as an aside, we all know that channelings are controversial and dangerous territory because they are easy to fake. But the fact that many channelings can be faked means that all of them are faked? Not necessarily.

Further more, to admit the existence and the negative influence of dark ETs, and at the same time denying the existence and the positive influence of good ETs is a logical contradiction. Further more, those intelligent people who knowingly go against logic may have intent on spreading fear and hopelessness, which is a very usual elite’s tactic to control humanity.

So, let’s have a healthy combination of precaution (yes to that) and keeping an open mind (yes to that too). In other words, let’s use discernment.

In any case, all promises have already been made (Ex: the elite’s mass arrests, the positive ET disclosure, the new financial system, the free energy release, the improvements in our lives, etc.), and now there is only one thing remaining:

Please, give us solid proof of all of that!!!

That’s the only way we (regular people) will be able to know for sure whether all these promises are info or disinfo. In the meantime, let’s keep working towards that goal: the liberation of humanity from the dark cabal.


SaLuSa 5-11-12…“Dear Ones, ready yourselves for the changes”
Posted on May 11, 2012
http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/salusa-5-11-12-dear-ones-ready-yourselves-for-the-changes/

Excerpts from Salusa’s text:

“So much is happening, but we are not always at liberty to give you the details. It must be sufficient to say that we are well in control and our allies are close to commencing a series of actions, that will show everyone that we mean business. No longer will we put up with being obstructed, and we will quickly deal with those involved. There are a number of trusted allies that are in the forefront of releasing information, that makes clear what our intentions are. In short time we will also play our part in bringing out the facts directly to the public. You are looking at weeks rather than months, for the mass arrests to take place. However it is a big operation that cannot start until everything is in place. Having come this far we want it to run smoothly, with as little trouble as possible.

“You will have so much to enjoy in the near future, as you realize that you are being freed from the clutches of the dark Ones. With the governmental changes there will again be some surprises in store for you, as you will see those who are of the Light take positions of power and authority. The US Government will still have Barack Obama amongst those retained, because as we have stressed many times, he is a great soul of the Light. He is already taking actions that will aid our allies, in bringing the cabal to answer for their crimes.

“Our message to you is to stay calm, and ignore the attempts of those who will try to put the wrong meaning on events as they unfold. Some of it will be deliberate to create fear, and others without any prior knowledge will be confused. However, through various sources particularly the Internet, we will make sure that information is readily available. You are soon to witness the biggest spectacle that has ever occurred in your time, and then you will realize how thorough our plans have been made. History is about to be made that is unprecedented in its scope and scale, to bring out into the open those who have illegally and criminally controlled your lives.”

Highlights (by kauilapele) and complete text:

See link above.

----------------------------

One more thing for those of you who would like to put your two cents to support and to facilitate this process of transformation for the better of the human species:

Many of you probably know that Zbigniew Brzezinski recently warned his elite colleges about the danger the global awakening poses to the elite:


Brzezinski: The World awakening is the worst nightmare for TPTB (The Powers That Be)
Brzezinski: QUE EL MUNDO DESPIERTE ES LA PEOR PESADILLA PARA EL PODER. 30 noviembre, 2011
http://teatrevesadespertar.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/brzezinski-que-el-mundo-despierte-es-la-peor-pesadilla-para-el-poder/

Ahlul Bait News Agency– ABNA. In a recent speech in the Council on Foreign Relations… Brzezinski warned about the global political awakening… which threatens the movement towards a World Government [Note: New World Order]… etc.

So, one thing that anybody can do to help is to send a polite e-mail to as many high level people as possible (military personnel, policemen, politicians, etc.) to inform them about what’s going on in the world (Drake’s plan, 911 = inside job, etc.).

And in order to facilitate you the task of contacting thousands of high level people, in the following post (#17) you’ll find two links to a long list of public e-mail addresses (not private addresses, they can be obtained by a simple google search) from high level people in USA and Europe:


Post #17. Links to a long list of public e-mail addresses of high level people (military personnel, media, etc.) in USA and Europe
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44759-Let--s-help-Drake-Co----Ask-not-what---snip---ask-what-you-can-do-for-your-country---JFK&p=486184&viewfull=1#post486184

[wynderer]

some research being presented here at Avalon suggests that they are not ETs --extra-terrestials, off-Earth in this 3D dimension -- the big universe that NASA is filming --

they are EDs -- extra-dimensionals -- not from this 3D dimension --other research suggests that they do not have the best interests of Humanity at heart

perhaps because so many Humans have been sold on the idea/meme of the wonders of technology -- maybe that's why they wow you w/their amazing abilites in techno areas -- like the ships, which obviously are not of 3D, the way they blink in & out of sight -- & why they tell you they are from distant places up among the stars

however -- if anyone here has documented evidence of good ETs helping us, pls provide --cheery messages from channeled beings, who also sometimes give spiritual advice, does not count as documentation, imo


wow, wow, wow !!!

Take a look at Salusa last update by Mike Quinsey posted at Kauilapele’s blog, and notice how well it fits with David Wilcock’s last article (Divine Intervention) and interview on Coast to Coast.

Btw, as an aside, we all know that channelings are controversial and dangerous territory because they are easy to fake. But the fact that many channelings can be faked means that all of them are faked? Not necessarily.

Further more, to admit the existence and the negative influence of dark ETs, and at the same time denying the existence and the positive influence of good ETs is a logical contradiction. Further more, those intelligent people who knowingly go against logic may have intent on spreading fear and hopelessness, which is a very usual elite’s tactic to control humanity.

So, let’s have a healthy combination of precaution (yes to that) and keeping an open mind (yes to that too). In other words, let’s use discernment.

In any case, all promises have already been made (Ex: the elite’s mass arrests, the positive ET disclosure, the new financial system, the free energy release, the improvements in our lives, etc.), and now there is only one thing remaining:

Please, give us solid proof of all of that!!!

That’s the only way we (regular people) will be able to know for sure whether all these promises are info or disinfo. In the meantime, let’s keep working towards that goal: the liberation of humanity from the dark cabal.


SaLuSa 5-11-12…“Dear Ones, ready yourselves for the changes”
Posted on May 11, 2012
http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/salusa-5-11-12-dear-ones-ready-yourselves-for-the-changes/

Excerpts from Salusa’s text:

“So much is happening, but we are not always at liberty to give you the details. It must be sufficient to say that we are well in control and our allies are close to commencing a series of actions, that will show everyone that we mean business. No longer will we put up with being obstructed, and we will quickly deal with those involved. There are a number of trusted allies that are in the forefront of releasing information, that makes clear what our intentions are. In short time we will also play our part in bringing out the facts directly to the public. You are looking at weeks rather than months, for the mass arrests to take place. However it is a big operation that cannot start until everything is in place. Having come this far we want it to run smoothly, with as little trouble as possible.

“You will have so much to enjoy in the near future, as you realize that you are being freed from the clutches of the dark Ones. With the governmental changes there will again be some surprises in store for you, as you will see those who are of the Light take positions of power and authority. The US Government will still have Barack Obama amongst those retained, because as we have stressed many times, he is a great soul of the Light. He is already taking actions that will aid our allies, in bringing the cabal to answer for their crimes.

“Our message to you is to stay calm, and ignore the attempts of those who will try to put the wrong meaning on events as they unfold. Some of it will be deliberate to create fear, and others without any prior knowledge will be confused. However, through various sources particularly the Internet, we will make sure that information is readily available. You are soon to witness the biggest spectacle that has ever occurred in your time, and then you will realize how thorough our plans have been made. History is about to be made that is unprecedented in its scope and scale, to bring out into the open those who have illegally and criminally controlled your lives.”

Highlights (by kauilapele) and complete text:

See link above.

----------------------------

One more thing for those of you who would like to put your two cents to support and to facilitate this process of transformation for the better of the human species:

Many of you probably know that Zbigniew Brzezinski recently warned his elite colleges about the danger the global awakening poses to the elite:


Brzezinski: The World awakening is the worst nightmare for TPTB (The Powers That Be)
Brzezinski: QUE EL MUNDO DESPIERTE ES LA PEOR PESADILLA PARA EL PODER. 30 noviembre, 2011
http://teatrevesadespertar.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/brzezinski-que-el-mundo-despierte-es-la-peor-pesadilla-para-el-poder/

Ahlul Bait News Agency– ABNA. In a recent speech in the Council on Foreign Relations… Brzezinski warned about the global political awakening… which threatens the movement towards a World Government [Note: New World Order]… etc.

So, one thing that anybody can do to help is to send a polite e-mail to as many high level people as possible (military personnel, policemen, politicians, etc.) to inform them about what’s going on in the world (Drake’s plan, 911 = inside job, etc.).

And in order to facilitate you the task of contacting thousands of high level people, in the following post (#17) you’ll find two links to a long list of public e-mail addresses (not private addresses, they can be obtained by a simple google search) from high level people in USA and Europe:


Post #17. Links to a long list of public e-mail addresses of high level people (military personnel, media, etc.) in USA and Europe
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44759-Let--s-help-Drake-Co----Ask-not-what---snip---ask-what-you-can-do-for-your-country---JFK&p=486184&viewfull=1#post486184

[GoodETxSG]

The people who are forcing the Cabal to surrender are not evil or negative at all. They are the guardians and protectors of our planet.




Aka, "Asshole Hippies from Outerspace!" :peace:


~Mozart

I cannot wait to meet one of these 'Hippies from Outer Space"... They will probably want to stay away from me because I will corner one of them and ask question after question for days on end... So much to learn from a species that doesn't eat their young... We have a lot to learn indeed. We think we are enlightened now... just wait. I wish they would get the show on the road already... I am watching the sky's for that big ole VW Bus with flowers on it to come down and land... Some people believe all alien beings are blood sucking evil beings... universal law shows there has to be a balance, (God helps those who help themselves)... if we just sat back and let the "Good EDs/ETs" do the work what would we learn, how would we evolve or have a chance to cleanse ourselves Karma wise? I feel for those that have only met the evil ET/EDzzz... I just hope we do our job enough down here to garner the support of the Good ones... if we want to live like this then free will wins... if we want to fight it and get out of slavery... then free will wins...
Sorry for Typo's... mobile device.

:angel: :ufo:

[aranuk]

The people who are forcing the Cabal to surrender are not evil or negative at all. They are the guardians and protectors of our planet.




Aka, "Asshole Hippies from Outerspace!" :peace:


~Mozart

I cannot wait to meet one of these 'Hippies from Outer Space"... They will probably want to stay away from me because I will corner one of them and ask question after question for days on end... So much to learn from a species that doesn't eat their young... We have a lot to learn indeed. We think we are enlightened now... just wait. I wish they would get the show on the road already... I am watching the sky's for that big ole VW Bus with flowers on it to come down and land... Some people believe all alien beings are blood sucking evil beings... universal law shows there has to be a balance, (God helps those who help themselves)... if we just sat back and let the "Good EDs/ETs" do the work what would we learn, how would we evolve or have a chance to cleanse ourselves Karma wise? I feel for those that have only met the evil ET/EDzzz... I just hope we do our job enough down here to garner the support of the Good ones... if we want to live like this then free will wins... if we want to fight it and get out of slavery... then free will wins...
Sorry for Typo's... mobile device.

:angel: :ufo:

Freedom is fought for NOT given. If freedom is fought for and achieved successfully then it is a thing to be cherrished and protected. If it is given, there is a debt to pay off, whatever the benefactor(s) demand.

Not saying we can't accept a wee bitto help here and there.

Stan

[Rupertmoon]

Without wishing to throw water on this fire... another perspective and something to ponder.

Where was the non human intervention at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did those souls call that experience to them before they incarnated or is there intervention on both sides of the fence?

[Fredenit]

Hello Mozart,
Are you sure you have the right heading for this thread, because Divine is associated with the Angelic Presence from the Divine Creator. The Intervention is from Alien beings who have no authority and are not required here, also they have not been sent by the Divine Creator. There is no proof that they have benevolent intensions toward Humanity, and many people are being mislead by the messages they are sending, like the Ascension that is supposedly coming, to me No proof is spoof and in all honesty we are closer to illusion now than at any time, being dumbed down by people who are sucked into the belief that we are heading for some type of happy ending to the dimension we are currently in, people are being sucked from one illusion into another illusion. The worst thing about it is, those who are falling for this, believe in it !! and with nothing to substantiate it.

[Space_Ace]

I have read that Salusa is disinfo. Obama is not a good guy and there's a mountain of evidence proving it. Channels are not and have never been evidence nor fact.

"The US Government will still have Barack Obama amongst those retained, because as we have stressed many times, he is a great soul of the Light. He is already taking actions that will aid our allies, in bringing the cabal to answer for their crimes."

Which Drake contradicts here: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/05/deep-intel-down-rabbit-hole-5-09-12.html

[GoodETxSG]

I have read that Salusa is disinfo. Obama is not a good guy and there's a mountain of evidence proving it. Channels are not and have never been evidence nor fact.

"The US Government will still have Barack Obama amongst those retained, because as we have stressed many times, he is a great soul of the Light. He is already taking actions that will aid our allies, in bringing the cabal to answer for their crimes."

Which Drake contradicts here: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/05/deep-intel-down-rabbit-hole-5-09-12.html

Indeed, NOT the CHANGE we HOPE'd for... not a good guy at all... The amount of stuff that has been supressed about him is amazing, no other President has had this much dirty laundry hidden for them and that is saying a LOT... a whole lot!

[wynderer]

another take on 'Disclosure' & 'ETs', from Houman's thread:

Re: Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit
Posted by wynderer (here)
here is a link to Katari Rose's blog --

http://katarirosegardenguardian.word...ts-of-babylon/

she is a brave woman to be writing about what mind control survivors are dealing with

-------------------------

Very interesting blog... this is from her site
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The Conclusions Are Inescapable.
(1) The secret power structure believes that, because of our own ignorance or by Divine Decree, planet Earth will self-destruct sometime in the near future. The-se men sincerely believe that they are doing the right thing in their attempt to save the human race. It is terribly ironic that they have been forced to take as their partner an alien race which is itself engaged in a monumental struggle for survival. Many moral and legal compromises were made in error and must be corrected and those responsible should be made to account for their actions. I can understand the fear and urgency that must have been instrumental in the decision not to tell the public. Obviously I disagree with this decision. Throughout history small but powerful groups of men have consistently felt that they alone were capable of deciding the fates of millions and throughout history have been wrong. This great nation owes its very existence to the Principles of Freedom and Democracy. I believe with all my heart that the United States of America cannot and will not succeed in any effort that ignores those principles. Full disclosure to the public should be made and we should proceed to save the human race altogether.
(2) We are being manipulated by a joint human/alien power structure which will result in the total enslavement and or destruction of the human race. We must use any and every means available to prevent this from happening.
(3) The government has been totally deceived and we are being manipulated by an alien power which will result in the total enslavement and/or destruction of the human race. We must use any and all means available to prevent this from happening.
(4) Something else is happening which is beyond our ability to understand at this time. We must force disclosure of all the facts, discover the truth and act upon the truth.

[GoodETxSG]

The people who are forcing the Cabal to surrender are not evil or negative at all. They are the guardians and protectors of our planet.




Aka, "Asshole Hippies from Outerspace!" :peace:


~Mozart

I cannot wait to meet one of these 'Hippies from Outer Space"... They will probably want to stay away from me because I will corner one of them and ask question after question for days on end... So much to learn from a species that doesn't eat their young... We have a lot to learn indeed. We think we are enlightened now... just wait. I wish they would get the show on the road already... I am watching the sky's for that big ole VW Bus with flowers on it to come down and land... Some people believe all alien beings are blood sucking evil beings... universal law shows there has to be a balance, (God helps those who help themselves)... if we just sat back and let the "Good EDs/ETs" do the work what would we learn, how would we evolve or have a chance to cleanse ourselves Karma wise? I feel for those that have only met the evil ET/EDzzz... I just hope we do our job enough down here to garner the support of the Good ones... if we want to live like this then free will wins... if we want to fight it and get out of slavery... then free will wins...
Sorry for Typo's... mobile device.

:angel: :ufo:

Freedom is fought for NOT given. If freedom is fought for and achieved successfully then it is a thing to be cherrished and protected. If it is given, there is a debt to pay off, whatever the benefactor(s) demand.

Not saying we can't accept a wee bitto help here and there.

Stan

Indeed you are right... there is NO proof of there being any Aliens or ED's... Good or Bad... No proof of them manipulating our society or of them coming to save our society... the only proof we have seen is that humanity is bent on self destruction. The "Belief" in GOOD or EVIL ED's/ET's is just that... there is no proof. We have our own experiences and the hearsay of others to go off of... but the minute we (Or I) give our story or experience it is hearsay. So we need to remove the ET/ED's from equation and clean our own house. If they decide to make their existence known and show themselves to us either to enslave or save us then we can add it back to the equation... until then we need to stick to the plans of exposing the evil satanic groups that do run the world... there is plenty of proof of that.

[white wizard]

I am just gonna throw this out there because it has been a major tool in me

being able to digest threw the BS on the internet. If you study everything

people are saying out there in the alternative media and there all saying the

same thing in different ways with no connection to each other, then there

might be some truth to it. I have said it before and I will say it again what is

happening know is either one of the biggest psy ops in history involving ETs and

the shadow Gov't (unlikely I think) or true change is getting ready to happen.

I really highly doubt that billions of highly evolved beings chose to incarnate

on this planet at the same time to in the end be enslaved by some low level

ET races bent on domination and destruction. I know why I came here,

because I had a choice and that was to transform darkness into light, that is it.

I do not think it is coincidence this is all happening right before 2012.

[wynderer]

Humans are not highly evolved -- the way almost all of you treat the other Animals on this planet is proof to me that most of you have a long way to go before you can connect to 'Unity consciousness'

also there's an awful lot of other really nasty stuff being done on this planet by Humans -- we are all in the Matrix & are thus all more or less shut down spritually -- but all true Humans have Heart & Soul -- it's up to you how you use it


I am just gonna throw this out there because it has been a major tool in me

being able to digest threw the BS on the internet. If you study everything

people are saying out there in the alternative media and there all saying the

same thing in different ways with no connection to each other, then there

might be some truth to it. I have said it before and I will say it again what is

happening know is either one of the biggest psy ops in history involving ETs and

the shadow Gov't (unlikely I think) or true change is getting ready to happen.

I really highly doubt that billions of highly evolved beings chose to incarnate

on this planet at the same time to in the end be enslaved by some low level

ET races bent on domination and destruction. I know why I came here,

because I had a choice and that was to transform darkness into light, that is it.

I do not think it is coincidence this is all happening right before 2012.

[GoodETxSG]

I am just gonna throw this out there because it has been a major tool in me

being able to digest threw the BS on the internet. If you study everything

people are saying out there in the alternative media and there all saying the

same thing in different ways with no connection to each other, then there

might be some truth to it. I have said it before and I will say it again what is

happening know is either one of the biggest psy ops in history involving ETs and

the shadow Gov't (unlikely I think) or true change is getting ready to happen.

I really highly doubt that billions of highly evolved beings chose to incarnate

on this planet at the same time to in the end be enslaved by some low level

ET races bent on domination and destruction. I know why I came here,

because I had a choice and that was to transform darkness into light, that is it.

I do not think it is coincidence this is all happening right before 2012.

I wish I could agree, Infiltrate and Coordinate the message and lead the sheeple where you want them to go... like I said before these people are GOOD at their jobs... and it IS the Second oldest profession in History... I do believe things are playing out on many realms other than this silly 3D construct... but that is the one we are aware of and most tied to so it is where we must stand and fight. Change is happening now, the resistance to the change is everywhere... and a part of that resistance is all kinds of psy ops on the people, both those into the material financial "Real World" and those of us into esoteric things... it has all been infiltrated. That does not mean everything is a lie... but descerning the truth has become very diffacult. But by all means, we all need to keep trying.

[white wizard]

There biggest tool is deception once that is gone they loose. The only thing

we need to defeat them is the knowledge of them and they know this. I do

not fear them, they are our teachers in a way, but once the lesson is learned the

class is over. I think the class is very close to being over and the next lesson will

come soon after. I respect them for there choices to come here and show us

this side of creation. I neither support them or hate them, but rather

understand them for what they are.

[sdv]

I cannot wait to meet one of these 'Hippies from Outer Space"... They will probably want to stay away from me because I will corner one of them and ask question after question for days on end

And when you are finished with them I am going to give them a good talking to about all these abductions (so not acceptable) and then trot them off to the ICC and get them prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Anyone else there who doesn't buy this 'you actually agreed to it' excuse of theirs?

[StarDust]

I cannot wait to meet one of these 'Hippies from Outer Space"... They will probably want to stay away from me because I will corner one of them and ask question after question for days on end

And when you are finished with them I am going to give them a good talking to about all these abductions (so not acceptable) and then trot them off to the ICC and get them prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Anyone else there who doesn't buy this 'you actually agreed to it' excuse of theirs?

I think you'd be addressing the wrong side of the team. The "liberation forces" have no need to run experiments on humans. That occurs at a much, much "lower" vibratory frequency;O)

[peace]

hi.

two wars going on right now.

people all over the world dying of hunger (where bullets and bombs don't matter)

rape.

violence.

alcohol/drug addiction killing thousands.

remember the holocuast, stalin, pol pot?

if these et's/ed's are waiting because they are upset with some rich dudes i think they've sorely misjudged when they were needed.

[StarDust]

hi.

two wars going on right now.

people all over the world dying of hunger (where bullets and bombs don't matter)

rape.

violence.

alcohol/drug addiction killing thousands.

remember the holocuast, stalin, pol pot?

if these et's/ed's are waiting because they are upset with some rich dudes i think they've sorely misjudged when they were needed.

Paradigm change must come first. Otherwise you are treating the symptoms without eradicating the disease. Where do you think all those blights on humanity originate from anyway? They certainly aren't emanating from the vast majority of peaceful, loving, people on this planet. YES, those aspects you mentioned are very important and will be addressed as soon as they can be. But first things, first! Once the cabal has been eradicated, it will amaze everyone how fast those aspects of the 3rd density human experience dissipate.

With regard to the timing of the ET/EDs that was primarily up to us as a collective consciousness to determine when/if we get help. The divisive nature of humanity has been so well maintained that the call was never given. That changed once we reached a critical mass within our collective consciousness sometime within the recent past. This we must accept responsibility for this process with the understanding that it provided vast experience within the lower levels of conciousness; and was necessary prior to the expansion of consciousness that we are experiencing now.

[StarDust]

There biggest tool is deception once that is gone they loose. The only thing

we need to defeat them is the knowledge of them and they know this. I do

not fear them, they are our teachers in a way, but once the lesson is learned the

class is over. I think the class is very close to being over and the next lesson will

come soon after. I respect them for there choices to come here and show us

this side of creation. I neither support them or hate them, but rather

understand them for what they are.

Well stated!

[DreamsInDigital]

I have read that Salusa is disinfo. Obama is not a good guy and there's a mountain of evidence proving it. Channels are not and have never been evidence nor fact.
Have you noticed, like clock work, every time a big disclosure is made...by any of the top Alternative Media darlings, the very next day after the disclosure (never before) without fail, that AI Entity Salusa has an opinion about it. And the insane amount of plagiarism that those message contain...that's another issue with those channeled AI entities and the mind controlled numbskulls that channel them.

[jorr lundstrom]

hi.

two wars going on right now.

people all over the world dying of hunger (where bullets and bombs don't matter)

rape.

violence.

alcohol/drug addiction killing thousands.

remember the holocuast, stalin, pol pot?

if these et's/ed's are waiting because they are upset with some rich dudes i think they've sorely misjudged when they were needed.

Paradigm change must come first. Otherwise you are treating the symptoms without eradicating the disease. Where do you think all those blights on humanity originate from anyway? They certainly aren't emanating from the vast majority of peaceful, loving, people on this planet. YES, those aspects you mentioned are very important and will be addressed as soon as they can be. But first things, first! Once the cabal has been eradicated, it will amaze everyone how fast those aspects of the 3rd density human experience dissipate.


How many are you speaking about? Do you really think the kind of people

you picture here are in majority? Have you met any of them?


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[StarDust]

The Intervention is from Alien beings who have no authority and are not required here, also they have not been sent by the Divine Creator.

What proof do you have that they weren't granted permission and sent directly from Source? On the contrary, there are many beings present, both incarnate and within the higher densities, that were called upon to volunteer with Gaia's expansion of consciousness. Don't be alarmed if you didn't receive the invitation; or more likely, have yet to discover it was in your proverbial pocket all along. :o

[StarDust]

[QUOTE]How many are you speaking about? Do you really think the kind of people you picture here are in majority? Have you met any of them?

I've traveled around the world and the vast majority of people I've encountered have been good at heart. One thing you have not taken into consideration is the fact that all life on Gaia is being upgraded; this in turn will permit traditional control structures which create the aspects you mentioned to dissipate.

Those maintaining a lower vibratory frequency will find it very uncomfortable to exist here. Time will prove this to be the case. Take a break from the big picture and seek joy in those around you by helping others and doing what you can to improve existence at the local level. The rest will take care of itself with the aide of all who have volunteered to be here in that capacity.

[jorr lundstrom]

I know here are others that look at this Gaia as their home too,
just like we humans do. Im not that sure that they care about if
we, wot we usually call humans, survive. Why should they? We
have numerous time showed that we are stupid and actually
very dangerous for the planet itself. Wee seem to be be too easily
fooled, buying into all kinds of wishful thinking and too greedy
for owning things and suppressing our fellow humans with the
use of secresy and power.
But they are preventing us from destroying the planet. It doesnt
help this planet if people are good at heart but have too weak
abilities to think for themself. Mongoloid people are good at heart,
but often have great difficulties to handle their own shoestrings.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/it-suspects-nothing.jpg


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Selene]

So. I’m reading this thread having just come off an overseas flight on which the movie was “The Day the Earth Stood Still” (1951), starring Michael Rennie as the Alien.

IMDb plot summary: “An alien lands and tells the people of Earth that they must live peacefully or be destroyed as a danger to other planets.”

Sixty-one years ago. They’ve actually been here even longer. Has the message ever changed?

Duh.

Cheers,

Selene

[frozen alchemy]

Short note pertaining to a post by Wynderer, up above:


like the ships, which obviously are not of 3D, the way they blink in & out of sight

If you search for and watch the David Sereda videos about the NASA 'tether' incident, you will hear a good possible explanation for the way the vehicles go in and out of visible range; he contends that they are in the ultraviolet range of light and therefore not visible to humans under normal conditions. The NASA cameras were specially set to record ultraviolet ranges when they caught the UFOs on the tether incident. When they suddenly pop into and out of view, they are supposedly either slowing down or speeding up vibrationally, not speed-wise, and that is why they can appear or disappear suddenly. In short, it's not a dimensional thing, but a vibratory one.

[wynderer]

vibrational IS dimensional -- different ranges of vibrating frequencies comprise what we call dimensions

[DreamsInDigital]

Short note pertaining to a post by Wynderer, up above:


like the ships, which obviously are not of 3D, the way they blink in & out of sight

If you search for and watch the David Sereda videos about the NASA 'tether' incident, you will hear a good possible explanation for the way the vehicles go in and out of visible range; he contends that they are in the ultraviolet range of light and therefore not visible to humans under normal conditions. The NASA cameras were specially set to record ultraviolet ranges when they caught the UFOs on the tether incident. When they suddenly pop into and out of view, they are supposedly either slowing down or speeding up vibrationally, not speed-wise, and that is why they can appear or disappear suddenly. In short, it's not a dimensional thing, but a vibratory one.
Yes, that's why I keep telling people if they want to video tape UFO's, specially at night. To get an TRUE Full Spectrum HD Video camera. There are several ghost hunting sites that make them. They are even used on Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures TV Shows and are capable of shooting in the UV Range.

[frozen alchemy]

vibrational IS dimensional -- different ranges of vibrating frequencies comprise what we call dimensions

Agreed, but in this case they may simply be vibrating at a level that we simply cannot see with human eyes; I have to presume that all 5D and above is not visible to us, no matter how nifty the camera. :)

[9eagle9]

HURRAY! Yes precisely, how bad does bad have to get before they decide its bad enough to interfere.


hi.

two wars going on right now.

people all over the world dying of hunger (where bullets and bombs don't matter)

rape.

violence.

alcohol/drug addiction killing thousands.

remember the holocuast, stalin, pol pot?

if these et's/ed's are waiting because they are upset with some rich dudes i think they've sorely misjudged when they were needed.

[StarDust]

HURRAY! Yes precisely, how bad does bad have to get before they decide its bad enough to interfere.

Your assumption is that they have not taken action. This couldn't be further from the truth. However, if you are waiting for the ET/EDs to land in your yard, it might be a while;)

[StarDust]

So. I’m reading this thread having just come off an overseas flight on which the movie was “The Day the Earth Stood Still” (1951), starring Michael Rennie as the Alien.

IMDb plot summary: “An alien lands and tells the people of Earth that they must live peacefully or be destroyed as a danger to other planets.”

Sixty-one years ago. They’ve actually been here even longer. Has the message ever changed?

Duh.

Cheers,

Selene

No one ever stated that propaganda to create fear over other worldly beings started yesterday. The real question is if you have changed with regard to receiving the message; or does that 61 year old fear tactic still have power over you?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I know here are others that look at this Gaia as their home too,
just like we humans do. Im not that sure that they care about if
we, wot we usually call humans, survive. Why should they? We
have numerous time showed that we are stupid and actually
very dangerous for the planet itself. Wee seem to be be too easily
fooled, buying into all kinds of wishful thinking and too greedy
for owning things and suppressing our fellow humans with the
use of secresy and power.
But they are preventing us from destroying the planet. It doesnt
help this planet if people are good at heart but have too weak
abilities to think for themself. Mongoloid people are good at heart,
but often have great difficulties to handle their own shoestrings.

I hope that living in fear serves a purpose for you. Learn from it, process it, then move on!

Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!

[wynderer]

living in fear --???!!! do you not have eyes? do you not see the destruction happening to this planet???



So. I’m reading this thread having just come off an overseas flight on which the movie was “The Day the Earth Stood Still” (1951), starring Michael Rennie as the Alien.

IMDb plot summary: “An alien lands and tells the people of Earth that they must live peacefully or be destroyed as a danger to other planets.”

Sixty-one years ago. They’ve actually been here even longer. Has the message ever changed?

Duh.

Cheers,

Selene

No one ever stated that propaganda started yesterday. The real question is if you have changed with regard to receiving the message; or does that 61 year old fear tactic still have power over you?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I know here are others that look at this Gaia as their home too,
just like we humans do. Im not that sure that they care about if
we, wot we usually call humans, survive. Why should they? We
have numerous time showed that we are stupid and actually
very dangerous for the planet itself. Wee seem to be be too easily
fooled, buying into all kinds of wishful thinking and too greedy
for owning things and suppressing our fellow humans with the
use of secresy and power.
But they are preventing us from destroying the planet. It doesnt
help this planet if people are good at heart but have too weak
abilities to think for themself. Mongoloid people are good at heart,
but often have great difficulties to handle their own shoestrings.

I hope that living in fear serves a purpose for you. Learn from it, process it, then move on!

Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!

[jorr lundstrom]

StarDust, please dont try that fear thing on me. If you see fear

anywhere, its in the eye of the observer.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[StarDust]

living in fear --???!!! do you not have eyes? do you not see the destruction happening to this planet???


I can see just fine, but my vision of the future is greater than the vision of the past. Clairvoyance was a skill that I rediscovered at an early age. As a Wanderer, I am here to anchor and channel light, not to absorb and extinguish it.

If one is not choosing to live in the vibratory frequency of love, then one is choosing to live within the vibratory frequency of fear. It is literally that simple.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


StarDust, please dont try that fear thing on me. If you see fear

anywhere, its in the eye of the observer.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

It's not a tactic, it's an observation. Your posts resonate a very low vibratory frequency. It's one thing to have concern for the world, it's another entirely to digest it until it emanates from your essence. If you choose to ingest that poison, then that is a choice which will be honored.

[wynderer]

sure i could hang out in the love frequency -- but there are a lot of innocents on this planet who do not have that choice -- while i am here, they are a part of my life & consciousness -- & my heart




living in fear --???!!! do you not have eyes? do you not see the destruction happening to this planet???


I can see just fine, but my vision of the future is greater than the vision of the past. Clairvoyance was a skill that I rediscovered at an early age. As a Wanderer, I am here to anchor and channel light, not to absorb and extinguish it.

If one is not choosing to live in the vibratory frequency of love, then one is choosing to live within the vibratory frequency of fear. It is literally that simple.

[Arrowwind]

Your assumption is that they have not taken action. This couldn't be further from the truth. However, if you are waiting for the ET/EDs to land in your yard, it might be a while;)



David is great at presenting information for which it can never be verified.

When will the ETs clean up Japan? We may get rid of the cabal but Japan's Fukashima could take us all down. This cabal situation pales in comparison to what Fukashima presents to the world.

Ok, ETs give us some cure we can measure.

Seems to me David evades the most important issue of our time. He can't sell books with it cause I dont think the ETs are doing one dam thing. And if they could clean up Fukashima, well, we can measure that, and it would be proof that what David is saying is true. Not one dam shred of proof so far.

Prices keep rising
Monsanto keeps pumping
the seas are becoming more radio active
More people moving into poverty around the world
FDA clamps down harder
Pharmaceutical companies keep getting richer
cancer keeps progressing
Obesity is killing our society
No free energy or near free energy products yet
The military machine keeps pumping
Nuclear plants are still being planned for implementation
our constitution is in shreds
Autism keeps increasing
and Fukashima sits in position to kill the world

so please.... just give me a break with this David BS
everyone is looking for someone else to save their ass

but I bet David is selling lots of books cause people are lost in a dream

[9eagle9]

Another new age guru in the making....

Jorr's vibrational level is just fine, he has exhibited repeatedly the hallmark of a higher vibration--intelligence and wisdom not repetitive peddling of BS.





living in fear --???!!! do you not have eyes? do you not see the destruction happening to this planet???


I can see just fine, but my vision of the future is greater than the vision of the past. Clairvoyance was a skill that I rediscovered at an early age. As a Wanderer, I am here to anchor and channel light, not to absorb and extinguish it.

If one is not choosing to live in the vibratory frequency of love, then one is choosing to live within the vibratory frequency of fear. It is literally that simple.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


StarDust, please dont try that fear thing on me. If you see fear

anywhere, its in the eye of the observer.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

It's not a tactic, it's an observation. Your posts resonate a very low vibratory frequency. It's one thing to have concern for the world, it's another entirely to digest it until it emanates from your essence. If you choose to ingest that poison, then that is a choice which will be honored.

[StarDust]

sure i could hang out in the love frequency

Then why not give it a try. It would be far more advantageous to those you seek to help to emanate love than to live in a constant state of self inflicted martyrdom. And have you turned your deep emotions for the innocents you try to protect into action? Service to other should produce joy and resonate you in love. There seems to be a disconnect there, so what gives?

[jorr lundstrom]

living in fear --???!!! do you not have eyes? do you not see the destruction happening to this planet???


I can see just fine, but my vision of the future is greater than the vision of the past. Clairvoyance was a skill that I rediscovered at an early age. As a Wanderer, I am here to anchor and channel light, not to absorb and extinguish it.

If one is not choosing to live in the vibratory frequency of love, then one is choosing to live within the vibratory frequency of fear. It is literally that simple.


Its not that simple. Fear isnt and have never been the absense of

love. Its just a stupid New Age idea. I live a life based on love in

this moment, having visions of where humanity have to get to survive.

But I dont claim to be able to forecast anything. Believing oneself to

have such abilities is cute as an idea, but Im afraid Im too experienced

to believe in Santa or any of the saviors sold by the deceptive agents. LOL

But of course you are free to imagine anything you want.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Arrowwind]

HURRAY! Yes precisely, how bad does bad have to get before they decide its bad enough to interfere.

Your assumption is that they have not taken action. This couldn't be further from the truth. However, if you are waiting for the ET/EDs to land in your yard, it might be a while;)

Ive already had ETs show themselves to me but I see no proof that they are
eliminating the cabal. I dont need proof that they exist. I want other proofs

So show me the proof. No one has shown me any proof.
probably because there is no proof.
probably because nothing has really changed from ET intervention in our world politics
regarding the cabal.

Where's the proof!!!?????

[StarDust]

Another new age guru in the making....

Jorr's vibrational level is just fine, he has exhibited repeatedly the hallmark of a higher vibration--intelligence and wisdom not repetitive peddling of BS.


I seek no such accolade. Again, it's just an observation. I hear plenty of whining, but no plans for action. So what do you intend on doing about it to make the world a better place?

¤=[Post Update]=¤




living in fear --???!!! do you not have eyes? do you not see the destruction happening to this planet???


I can see just fine, but my vision of the future is greater than the vision of the past. Clairvoyance was a skill that I rediscovered at an early age. As a Wanderer, I am here to anchor and channel light, not to absorb and extinguish it.

If one is not choosing to live in the vibratory frequency of love, then one is choosing to live within the vibratory frequency of fear. It is literally that simple.


Its not that simple. Fear isnt and have never been the absense of

love. Its just a stupid New Age idea. I live a life based on love in

this moment, having visions of where humanity have to get to survive.

But I dont claim to be able to forecast anything. Believing oneself to

have such abilities is cute as an idea, but Im afraid Im too experienced

to believe in Santa or any of the saviors sold by the deceptive agents. LOL

But of course you are free to imagine anything you want.


All is well


Jorr 2.0


Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!

[Arrowwind]

Without wishing to throw water on this fire... another perspective and something to ponder.

Where was the non human intervention at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did those souls call that experience to them before they incarnated or is there intervention on both sides of the fence?

seems to me the ETs might be involved in racial profiling. They will save us from the Cabal, but not the Japanese from nuclear destruction, neither now or in the past.

[jorr lundstrom]

If there was a pill that could cure stupidity, it would be very hard

to market such a pill. Being unable to distinguish between a mirror

and wots mirrored is a very dangerous condition.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[9eagle9]

Lol. Proof can't be provided.

Asking for proof is negative.

Isn't that convenient?




HURRAY! Yes precisely, how bad does bad have to get before they decide its bad enough to interfere.

Your assumption is that they have not taken action. This couldn't be further from the truth. However, if you are waiting for the ET/EDs to land in your yard, it might be a while;)

Ive already had ETs show themselves to me but I see no proof that they are
eliminating the cabal. I dont need proof that they exist. I want other proofs

So show me the proof. No one has shown me any proof.
probably because there is no proof.
probably because nothing has really changed from ET intervention in our world politics
regarding the cabal.

Where's the proof!!!?????

[foreverfan]

Wilcock and Drake isn't the greatest deception.... This very short link is/was much worse.

Click Here For The Greatest Deception of All Time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGS8re8cIVI&feature=related)

[Mozart]

:rapture:


... they may simply be vibrating at a level that we simply cannot see with human eyes; I have to presume that all 5D and above is not visible to us, no matter how nifty the camera. :)


frozen alchemy ~


You are right -- 5D (both the 5th density and the 5th dimension) are invisible to us 3-D beings; 4-D (both kinds) is also invisible, as are the rest of the higher dimensions up to the 8th level of this octave of maya.


:rapture: ~~ I was showing my ex-GF this cute, little "rapture" dude and she totally LOVED it. <grin>


~Mozart

[peace]

hi.

two wars going on right now.

people all over the world dying of hunger (where bullets and bombs don't matter)

rape.

violence.

alcohol/drug addiction killing thousands.

remember the holocuast, stalin, pol pot?

if these et's/ed's are waiting because they are upset with some rich dudes i think they've sorely misjudged when they were needed.

Paradigm change must come first. Otherwise you are treating the symptoms without eradicating the disease. Where do you think all those blights on humanity originate from anyway? They certainly aren't emanating from the vast majority of peaceful, loving, people on this planet. YES, those aspects you mentioned are very important and will be addressed as soon as they can be. But first things, first! Once the cabal has been eradicated, it will amaze everyone how fast those aspects of the 3rd density human experience dissipate.

With regard to the timing of the ET/EDs that was primarily up to us as a collective consciousness to determine when/if we get help. The divisive nature of humanity has been so well maintained that the call was never given. That changed once we reached a critical mass within our collective consciousness sometime within the recent past. This we must accept responsibility for this process with the understanding that it provided vast experience within the lower levels of conciousness; and was necessary prior to the expansion of consciousness that we are experiencing now.

do you have any info on when this critical mass happened?

another thing: why must we, here and now, accept responsibility for those horrible things that happened?

and i guess my biggest problem with this info (and thanks for your answer by the way, i'm not meaning to attack!!) is: if these et/ed/ebe's are so powerful and/or benevolent; and as it's been noted, they've been here a loong time, it doesn't seem to add up that things had to get bad and some sort of collective call has to go out. things have been bad for a long, long time. well before any of the things i've listed.

and if they are extra dimensional, even being outside of time (assumption on my part) it seems the whole thing could've been avoided. i'm sure there is something about free will, but if they are every interjecting at all, then there isn't free will.

just some thoughts for you. and thanks again for the reply, not attacking you personally. i don't think anything is going to happen.

we'll all be saved at the last minute, i'm sure. reported exclusively at divinecosmos.com

"mountains" of documents will never appear.

his channeled information or next stubbed toe (read his 9/11 ''premonition") will give us all something to talk about in 2013. Where everything will basically be the same.

[wynderer]

quite a few of us on this forum can see into 4D & even into 5D at times

4D not very pretty these days -- your controllers have it pretty well wrapped up





... they may simply be vibrating at a level that we simply cannot see with human eyes; I have to presume that all 5D and above is not visible to us, no matter how nifty the camera. :)


frozen alchemy ~


You are right -- 5D (both the 5th density and the 5th dimension) are invisible to us 3-D beings; 4-D (both kinds) is also invisible, as are the rest of the higher dimensions up to the 8th level of this octave of maya.


~Mozart

[jorr lundstrom]

According to #43 in this thread, asking for proof from others are ok.

Sorry, my fault this eem to be proofs noone can provide. Excuse me.

LOL A pill? I recommend the blue, it comes with a snoring component.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/pills.jpg


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[StarDust]

[QUOTE=StarDust;486535][QUOTE=peace;486522]do you have any info on when this critical mass happened?

According to Inelia Benz, this happened sometime in 2010. If you haven't listened to her interviews, I highly recommend them.

[peace]

[QUOTE=StarDust;486535][QUOTE=peace;486522]do you have any info on when this critical mass happened?

According to Inelia Benz, this happened sometime in 2010. If you haven't listened to her interviews, I highly recommend them.

i've checked out the big one bill posted on the home page. thanks. does she go in to depth about what the tipping point may have been. sorry, i can't remember.

[Mozart]

they are NOT preventing nuclear holocaust -- our planet is being badly nuked right now from Fukushima, & when Momma Earth shakes, much more radiation will spread over this planet from all the other nuclear power plants

your survival as a race & the survival of all other forms of Life here are in great jeopardy right now




The vast majority of people do not understand the level of intricacies of the ET involvement of their management of us humans here on Earth.


I can guarantee -- with no proof offered -- that the ETs are heavily involved in mitigating numerous events, such as the Fukushima event that, if it were to be completely unmitigated, the disaster of it would have been far worse by orders of magnitude.


Again, I have no proof of the ETs interfering with our worldly events ... but the military has proof, CNN has proof, but they are not going to release such proof ... yet.


But after is all said and done (post-mass arrest world) and in the post-disclosure world, we will find out exactly to what degree the ETs have been doing and will have done to help us along.


No, they are not going to stop certain events completely if such events -- like the Fukushima disaster, the Japanese tsunami, the Indonesian tsunami, 911, ete -- are needed to create a balance of positive and negative events that are designed to trigger our awakening.


And its by design that things are scary -- fear can be a great motivator to change ... or not ... your choice. It depends on which timeline that you want to be in ... that's a subject for another post and I've been wanting to post that post for a while. Soon I'll post it.


~Mozart

[Mozart]

Without wishing to throw water on this fire... another perspective and something to ponder.

Where was the non human intervention at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did those souls call that experience to them before they incarnated or is there intervention on both sides of the fence?


ETs could have prevented that event, yes, but then that would have interfered with the karmic lessons that we humans needed to have at that time and beyond.


Karmic balance is the key here.


But in these extraordinary times, it calls for extraordinary measures, so now -- thanks to the pressure waves from the coming Greatest Moment of All Time coming up at anywhere from the end of this year (Dec 2012) to the end of 2013, which is part of the time window (the end of 2011 to the end of 2013) that the Ra Material had given for the moment of the ascension event itself.


So now the ETs are stepping up their levels of involvement -- yet still staying behind the scenes -- to a point until open contact can be made. Open contact with ETs is extremely likely to happen this year. Extremely likely.


~Mozart

[StarDust]

[QUOTE]another thing: why must we, here and now, accept responsibility for those horrible things that happened?

Gaia and all her inhabitants form a collective consciousness. The concept of separation is merely an illusion within this holographic existence. We have each chosen to incarnate here for experience within lower consciousness in order to progress ourselves on the spiritual path. Many of these lessons are either not easily attained or not available within the upper Densities.

If you re-read my initial statement I was suggesting that we need to take responsibility for the process of the expansion of consciousness that is occurring on everyone's behalf; breaking out of the fear construct is part of that responsibility as it will be a strict vibratory requirement as we move forward. The observation was not directed toward certain atrocities as you were suggesting.

To learn more about this process, I suggest reading "The Law of ONE" series by Elkins, Ruckert, McCarty. The books are recommended but it is now available on-line for free including quick study guides:http://www.spiritofra.com/Ra-section%201.htm


and i guess my biggest problem with this info (and thanks for your answer by the way, i'm not meaning to attack!!) is: if these et/ed/ebe's are so powerful and/or benevolent; and as it's been noted, they've been here a loong time, it doesn't seem to add up that things had to get bad and some sort of collective call has to go out. things have been bad for a long, long time. well before any of the things i've listed.

Yes, the prime directive of non-interference was strictly observed until Gaia and her collective consciousness made the call for help; which according to Inelia Benz occurred sometime in 2010 - Everyone was permitted a vote, that occurred telepathically some time during your sleep state. Non-interference is designed to permit sentient beings to develop as they are intended by source as a unique expression of source.


and if they are extra dimensional, even being outside of time (assumption on my part) it seems the whole thing could've been avoided. i'm sure there is something about free will, but if they are every interjecting at all, then there isn't free will.

Extra dimensional merely refers to their current progression along the spiritual path to reconnecting with Source as ONE. Time as you are familiar with it does not exist outside of 3rd Density or 4th Dimension. Since earth humans have incarnated for the purpose of experience within lower consciousness, there is no purpose to making it easy for anyone. If so, then leaving your higher Density self to experience lower consciousness would lack meaning. It is a school of "hard knocks" for a reason.


just some thoughts for you. and thanks again for the reply, not attacking you personally.

You are welcome. I don't take any of this personally. My intent is not to offend, but to point out a perspective that may not be readily apparent to those who engage. What you do with that perspective is entirely up to you. Ultimately, there is no wrong path. It's just that some are easier to navigate than others.;)

[StarDust]

[QUOTE=StarDust;486535][QUOTE=peace;486522]do you have any info on when this critical mass happened?

According to Inelia Benz, this happened sometime in 2010. If you haven't listened to her interviews, I highly recommend them.

i've checked out the big one bill posted on the home page. thanks. does she go in to depth about what the tipping point may have been. sorry, i can't remember.

That's quite all right and I'm glad to be of assistance. Clearly that information did not have gravity at the time but does now that you are seeking answers to your questions. I think that this particular information may be contained within the interview where she is on the park bench. I replayed parts of it several times as it was an important part of my understanding of what is/has transpired.

[jorr lundstrom]

Well Mozart, we up here in the North followed the edge of the ice for

25 000 thousand years led by our schamans. We didnt hear about

karma untill the sixties, when the indian gurus began to contaminate

our minds. Before that we had the christian conceps of guilt and shame.

Same **** if you ask me, control paradigms. So I really have great

difficulties grasping wot you say about a needed karmic balance.

To me its just a lot of New Age hashibashi. But in due time we will

see if your prophesies will take place, wount we?

You said end of 2012- 2013, didnt you? Well..............


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[KiwiElf]

There are very interesting correlations here. Others have mentioned big shifts in what could be considered altered timeline events;

"Henry" Deacon, (our calendar date system has been altered so that 2017 could be considered the end or latest point of that general 2012-2017 window, based on what they knew at the time.

Bashar (who calculated back in the late 1980's, that major "jumps" or shifts in awareness would increase from 1987 onward emphasizing odd-numbered years; the real big changes come around 2017, but could be five or so years earlier, "depending on us" = (2012-2013), NASA and others have calculated massive solar flares early in 2013, just 2-3 weeks after the 21 Dec 2012 date, and recent new Mayan discoveries project their so called calendar "end time" will simply restart and continue on for infinity.

Even Alternative 3 hinted that TPTW believedwe might be in trouble further into the future (around this general timing).

It really seems to me, that each of us individually and collectively, - our true "energy belief & thoughts" (whether upgraded or not) are a big factor in this too. Many other ideas are converging at this general near-future timing - we have to get past the dogma - It all fits.

In other words, if we really DO create our own [version] of reality each microsecond - both individually and CO-created collectively, it fits. (And that makes a future prediction impossible to predict with any great accuracy - the possibilities are easier to gauge at a generalised level only and this is constantly changing) ? :confused:

[Rantaak]

quite a few of us on this forum can see into 4D & even into 5D at times

4D not very pretty these days -- your controllers have it pretty well wrapped up



Do not confuse dimension with density. They are very different concepts. Dimension refers to an array of directions, such as a vector. A three dimensional vector is an array of three directional components. A four dimensional vector is an array of four components, and so forth. Density, on the other hand, refers to spectrum of scalar vibration.

To speak of the fourth dimension is to exhibit hubris (unless you are a salvia sorceror). To speak of the fourth density, given experience of such, is more honest. In my visitations to the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth densities everything seemed to be in grand order. I'm not sure what you saw or where you went to convince yourself otherwise, but since duality is only present in the density that our bodies occupy I would have to conclude that you were wrong in your perceptions.

Good day!

[StarDust]

quite a few of us on this forum can see into 4D & even into 5D at times

4D not very pretty these days -- your controllers have it pretty well wrapped up



Do not confuse dimension with density. They are very different concepts. Dimension refers to an array of directions, such as a vector. A three dimensional vector is an array of three directional components. A four dimensional vector is an array of four components, and so forth. Density, on the other hand, refers to spectrum of scalar vibration.

To speak of the fourth dimension is to exhibit hubris (unless you are a salvia sorceror). To speak of the fourth density, given experience of such, is more honest. In my visitations to the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth densities everything seemed to be in grand order. I'm not sure what you saw or where you went to convince yourself otherwise, but since duality is only present in the density that our bodies occupy I would have to conclude that you were wrong in your perceptions.

Good day!

I concur. Within "The RA Material", density was chosen for the following reason: Density = density of consciousness - or density of vibration (B4, 28). Frequently used by Ra as an analog to what is currently thought of as “dimensions” in the Universe. The densities are organized into an eight-fold “octave” system, analogous to the musical octave and the visual light spectrum. Therefore the higher the density, the higher the level of consciousness.

[Mozart]

They will probably want to stay away from me because I will corner one of them and ask question after question for days on end... So much to learn from a species that doesn't eat their young...




LOL, me too. I'll bring duct tape with me and tape one down, then bugger her (hey, I want to interact with a hot little honey ET, ya know) with tons of questions, too!




I wish they would get the show on the road already... I am watching the sky's for that big ole VW Bus with flowers on it to come down and land...



Gotta love that imagery!




Some people believe all alien beings are blood sucking evil beings... universal law shows there has to be a balance, (God helps those who help themselves)... if we just sat back and let the "Good EDs/ETs" do the work what would we learn, how would we evolve or have a chance to cleanse ourselves Karma wise? I feel for those that have only met the evil ET/EDzzz...



Yes there is a balance between the two. For eons of time (the last 13,000 years, during the Kali Yuga, patriarchal phase) the balance of experiences has long been tilted towards the negative ETs and negative experiences, so it seems that there's been nothing but **** down here and that's partly because the levels of infiltration of the negative bastard ETs and EDs has been extremely extensive.


I read that this planet, our Gaia, has been a major stronghold of the negative ETs/EDs and that they've infiltrated this planet on multiple levels of realities and in multiple timelines. It's been a phenomenally complex undertaking that has surprised the positive ETs big-time about the level of complexity of this undertaking that they've chosen to do.




I just hope we do our job enough down here to garner the support of the Good ones... if we want to live like this then free will wins... if we want to fight it and get out of slavery... then free will wins...



We HAVE done our job enough justify the level of involvement and intervention by the ETs on our behalf. Enough of us have awaken. The requisite 100th monkey effect has taken.


But like you say, Corey, I just cannot wait for the show to hit the damn road and for us to finally IN A MAJOR, PUBLIC WAY take back our freedoms and to fully phase out the dominance of the patriarchal era that is now winding down.


My ex GF, who is an astrologer, has verbally told me that the coming (May 20th) solar eclipse -- it's going to 100% at my place where I live! -- is going to be a major tipping point that would coincide with the other tipping point of the June 5th celestial event that, together, would spell the final end of the patriarchial era and the wide-open flinging of the opening of the door to the Goddess energy to finally balance out our world at last with the rebirth of the Divine feminine energy finally making a strong public push for real change to happen on the mass level.


Many, many of you wonderful Goddesses have already been making the requisite Goddess changes in your own lives, so now it's time for many of you to step up and teach the masses what you now know about Goddess energies. I'm SO grateful for our Goddesses who are here amongst us to bring for that badly-needed feminine balance of energy.


It's about time.


~Mozart

[Mozart]

You said end of 2012- 2013, didnt you? Well..............




jorr lundstrom ~


No, I am not the source of that time window -- it's the Ra Material that is the source of that time window of Dec, 2011 to Dec, 2013.


So if the ascension does not happen at Dec of 2012, we still have another year to wait until it would happen.


If that scenario happens (nothing happening in Dec 2012) can you imagine the howling in the world of people laughing their asses off at the ascensionists? Oh, man, it's going to be bad, very bad.


But I've been studying the Ra Material intensively and Ra says several times "as the clock strikes the hour" of a "discrete placement of vibratory level" of movement over a boundary that is in the Dec, 2011 to Dec, 2013 time frame.


And the Ra Material says that, regardless of our progress, that clock would strike the hour. The Law of One has been studied by those Black Op guys for 30 years and they've YET to find a single error in it, so I have a lot of confidence in the perspicacity of it.


~Mozart

[transiten]

Aha Mozart, your ex GF is an astrologer! I'm also doing astrology and an interesting coincidence is that on June 6 Venus is doing the return back over the surface of our Sun=The Venuspassage. First one was June 8 2004 and i observed it here in Gothenburg. The Mayans were avid followers of the cycles of Venus and btw the Venuspassages that happen approx. every second century pple will rise against their oppressors and communication will speed up!

:wizard:We both posted at 3.50

[KiwiElf]

I have read that Salusa is disinfo. Obama is not a good guy and there's a mountain of evidence proving it. Channels are not and have never been evidence nor fact.

"The US Government will still have Barack Obama amongst those retained, because as we have stressed many times, he is a great soul of the Light. He is already taking actions that will aid our allies, in bringing the cabal to answer for their crimes."

Which Drake contradicts here: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/05/deep-intel-down-rabbit-hole-5-09-12.html

SpaceAce...
Perhaps the idea is to see each source, ie Drake, Nesara, Salusa, Wilcock, etc - as just partial messengers - yin and yang - they should not be ignored, but perhaps they shouldn't be believed 100 % either - there is always truth mixed with lies (or unintentional UN-truths) & vice versa - it depends on the ratio LOL. Now here's the trick:

Red Pill or Blue Pill? (That's only two possible choices of what could be an infinite number). Depending on the knowledge we have gathered, we form a "belief". This now throws a different perspective on the old addage, "Seeing is Believing" versus the possibilty of "Believing is "seeing" which opens up infinite possibilities of the same ONE event (it's HUGE).

Take it all with a grain of salt and modify as time and events unfold.

NESARA for example, also stated that Bush Senior & Bill Gates were placed under House Arrest back in March 2012, and only a few days ago (your attached link above), announced it was "rumored" that the Bushes, Clintons & other big names were also just placed under house arrest (and a whole lot more). I'm not suggesting its true or false. Black and white answers. There is a lot more "grey area" in there. I just simply haven't seen that verified or corroborated elsewhere... yet. :)

[Mozart]

:wizard:We both posted at 3.50




:clock: ... :kiss3:


Transiten 'n I go way back to the early days of the old Yahoo-based discussion board when David Wilcock's site was the old Ascension2000 site.

[KiwiElf]

:wizard:We both posted at 3.50



:clock: ... :kiss3:


Transiten 'n I go way back to the early days of the old Yahoo-based discussion board when David Wilcock's site was the old Ascension2000 site.



LOL that's the paradox of "making a prediction" - (a "sensing" of the energy or vibration flow at the time of the prediction, projected forward into a possible future). And the second you make that prediction, it will change simply because you are still, in that sense, making a future prediction in the "NOW".

[StarDust]

You said end of 2012- 2013, didnt you? Well..............




jorr lundstrom ~


No, I am not the source of that time window -- it's the Ra Material that is the source of that time window of Dec, 2011 to Dec, 2013.


So if the ascension does not happen at Dec of 2012, we still have another year to wait until it would happen.


If that scenario happens (nothing happening in Dec 2012) can you imagine the howling in the world of people laughing their asses off at the ascensionists? Oh, man, it's going to be bad, very bad.


But I've been studying the Ra Material intensively and Ra says several times "as the clock strikes the hour" of a "discrete placement of vibratory level" of movement over a boundary that is in the Dec, 2011 to Dec, 2013 time frame.


And the Ra Material says that, regardless of our progress, that clock would strike the hour. The Law of One has been studied by those Black Op guys for 30 years and they've YET to find a single error in it, so I have a lot of confidence in the perspicacity of it.


~Mozart

Mozart,

There is one nuance that has come into being since "The RA Material" was channeled back in the early '80s. It was never discussed that an entire planet (Gaia or any other) would contemplate/engage in a mass expansion of consciousness.

However, I would like to digress for a moment and discuss a minor point. I would like to draw one other distinction. Like Density vs Dimension, the term "ascension" widely used incorrectly.

As per Dreams-In-Digital (Sunfire), she postulated the following argument; to which I concur.


[W]hat is coming is NOT Ascension….Any, consciousness/awareness expansion will cause an increase in vibration frequency. What happens when we increase our vibration frequency? We go UP to a higher density/dimension. No, it’s not Ascension or Rapture..that’s different, that’s an “end”. Nothing is ending except our suppression as a global race (we are all Terrans) and occupation of the Reptoid/Grays. Also, if you haven’t yet. Look into Susan Joy Rennison, she is an scientist, and has done tons of research and can back up scientifically what David Wilcock, Tolec, Alex Collier, etc have been saying for years. We are evolving, etc.


Now, back to my original point. The nuance I am referring to is that during the time that Inelia Benz spoke about reaching critical mass, Gaia was permitted the choice of undergoing the normal expansion process or undergoing a mass expansion process. The normal process would have likely left a shell of Gaia's former self after undergoing massive earth changes that would have likely been very radical and thus eliminated a large portion of the humans. This was, of course, referred to within The RA Material as "harvest."; which was based on achieving 51% service to other or 95% service to self. All others would be reincarnated within other 3rd Density existence's to continue their cycle. (note: I know you are aware of this process, but am including a bit of background for those unaware of The RA Material).

With regard to the process, it appears that Gaia has chosen the latter option and now all beings on Gaia will experience this mass consciousness process. Apparently, Gaia (after assessing her capacity to sustain current life levels) asked for permission with this process; to which Source granted her permission to do so. This is where it should be quite interesting since death, among other things we 3rd density humans accept as "givens" in life, will technically no longer exist. RA certainly did not go into much detail about what was on the other side of the curtain.

I'm still working out what seems to resonate strongest with regard to our near "future selves". If any of you have been listening to Tolec from the Andromeda Counsel, then you might have picked up on some of the physical changes that we may be undergoing. These apparently include some of the following:

(Note: I hope that the following potentiality might help to quiet the nerves of those who have been very concerned about famine, disease, poverty, war, etc. - it's time to look forward as all that you have become accustomed to is destined to change as humanity's caterpillar becomes the magnificent butterfly)


SOME QUESTIONS & ANSWERS ABOUT 4D LIFE -


How will Earth people change as we become new 4D humans... once 2014 begins?

ANSWER: The most important thing to realize is that the transformation, the transition from 3D to 4D, from being a 3D person to being a 4D person… will be a smooth, ‘seamless’, painless, process. This experience will be a simple transformation of cellular structure, from the slower, more dense, heavier, existing 3D vibratory rate body you have today – to a higher, faster, lighter, 4D vibratory rate. You will have a body that is taller, literally lighter in terms of mass, weight & density... about one tenth (1/10) of what you weigh now.

Keep in mind, your body’s molecular cellular structure will actually change. Think crystal based molecules. Your existing 3D cell walls will transmute into being crystalline based. Your 4D body, the cellular structure of your 4D body, will be based on crystalline molecules. No longer carbon based, but crystal based. Within the core, the center of each cell, it will be infused with light. Your 4D bodies will really be... very translucent. This is a natural 4th dimensional, 4th density state.

Everyone will be relatively tall & slim in stature. This is simply the nature of having a body composed of crystalline cellular structure. You will also be 'lighter' in terms of... being infused with light. Not opaque like you are today, not completely translucent, but very translucent.

Your children will transform as well. But in terms of age appearance, they will continue to develop as young children, into young adults, only now along the adjusted, normal, 'time line' of thousands of years for 4th dimensional people.

For most adults who choose to remain on Earth during this time of change, you will look approximately in the 32 to 35 year old age range. In terms of height, for a comparison, an average 3D male today at 5’10”… the equivalent 4th dimensional male will be about 7ft tall, this is the average height for a 4D man. A 5’ 5” to 5’ 6” 3D Earth woman will likely be about 6’ 2” living a 4D life. An average 4D Earth man will weigh in Earth terms about: 10 to 15 pounds. An average 4D Earth woman will weigh about: 5 to 7 pounds. Everyone will be relatively trim, tall, slim in stature. Again, this is simply due to the nature of having a body composed of crystalline cellular structure.

In terms of overall health, 4D Earth humans will be healthy, very healthy, full of light. With your solar system and Earth's migration into the 4th dimensional zone of space, 3D diseases will all be literally eradicated.



If we are this healthy, and with the eradication of 3D Earth diseases, how long will we live as 4D Earth humans?

ANSWER: You will like this answer. Typically, as you currently measure time on Earth, human beings living a 4D life spend a minimum of 6,000 years - to - a maximum of around 10,000 years... living a 4th dimensional life. Also understand, there are 12 octaves of awareness & learning in each dimension, from the 4D, fourth dimension on up. There is a lot to experience. Please keep in mind, the use of these numbers in years is to give you at least an approximation based on how Earth people measure time today. However, also keep in mind, the way you currently measure time on Earth – this will change once Earth becomes a completely 4D planet. Watching, measuring, experiencing time... this will virtually go away. Plan for this to completely come into effect by January 2014. In any case, you will live very, very long lives... before you move on to the 5D, fifth dimension.



We understand the complete curing of physical health. But again, what about people with autism, retardation, syndromes, people who are mentally ill?

ANSWER: I certainly understand the seriousness of this issue. The 'medical/healthcare' team on the primary biosphere who will help, assist & counsel people who are having a difficult time adjusting to the differences of 4th dimensional life; well, in addition, what we would consider either severe psychiatric, deep emotional issues, shock or trauma; or people with autism, retardation, syndromes, varying degrees of mental illness, people with these afflictions who you are rightfully concerned about, they have the ability to chose (or a responsible party can choose for them), to heal their fine matter consciousness, this thing we call 'the mind' where these issues are lodged. Please understand this is literally: a spiritual vibratory issue. And the 'medical/healthcare' team on the primary biosphere, or any of the other 11 Andromeda Council flagged biospheres stationed in Earth's solar system, these teams can use various resonating sonic frequencies & techniques to attenuate, adjust & correct the 'dysfunctions' and repair the broken pathways of the fine matter 'wiring' of these peoples minds. There are a variety of modalities that can be used in combination... to help cure these people. They are curable. It will take some counseling, a little extra care & gentle attention after the 'medical' work, the atunements are done & completed. But these people, like everyone else, they too... will be fine.



If our current bodies are transforming into new 4D bodies, and you have said that 3D Earth diseases will be eradicated, what about those of us with bad or missing teeth, various syndromes, muscular dystrophy, ALS, cerebral palsy, or those people with mental illness; those of us who are back from the various Gulf Wars and Afghanistan with missing hands, fingers, arms, legs? What about all of us?

ANSWER: From the Chief Medical Officer of the Andromeda Council biosphere, she says, "Many people have asked this kind of question. Yes. The transformation of your 3D body into a 4D body will eradicate the existing illnesses and all dis-eases; and your bodies including birth defects, various syndromes, your loss of limbs, bad or missing teeth, malfunctioning hearing or defective eyes, and old age - all of these will all be remedied. Again, remember, you are being transformed. You will have a full, complete, healthy body."



What about pregnant 3D Earth human women, about to deliver, right at the moment of the 4th, 4D, dimensional shift of Earth?

ANSWER: Women who are pregnant will be fine. Azar, the Chief Medical Officer of all six (6) Andromeda Council hospital biospheres, has said they have teams of people ready to assist all pregnant women on planet Earth who are about to deliver... at the moment the 'switch is thrown' and Earth becomes a 4D world. These teams of OB/GYN specialists will do everything to ensure these pregnant women have completely healthy 4D human babies. The mothers and their babies will be fine.


OK. So, back to the 5D. What do you mean we move on to 5D, onto the fifth dimension... when do we die?

ANSWER: No no, you misunderstand. That's the point. You don't die. Remember, time doesn't exist from the 4D, fourth dimension, on upward. You don't experience time. And people, Earth people living a 4D life do not die. A person can choose by really extraordinary circumstances to be “extinguished”, but this is very, very rare. When a 4D person gets to the point when he/she is 6,000 -10,000 'years old', when he/she feels they've learned enough & contributed enough to society, when the moment is right for them, they simply choose to move on, and transition to 5D, the fifth dimension, a slightly higher frequency of vibratory awareness. For a new set of challenges, a new set of learning experiences. It is a transition, a change in vibration. This transition from 4D, the fourth, to 5D, the fifth, is simply about into a higher vibration and capabilities… when the moment is right for him/her. Further, the actual capabilities one has once he/she become a 5D, a fifth dimensional human, are only a couple of degrees enhanced above the upper capabilities of 4D, the fourth dimension. In any case, moving on from one dimension to the next is only about having many experiences, learning many many things, and then making a simple choice to move on, to change. You do not die.

http://andromedacouncil.com/page05.html

So, if the preceding changes occur, (I have no way of confirming any of this) there will be NO DOUBT that we have crossed the bridge that so many seem to be worried about. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that Tolec is right. Of course, 4th Density Gaia will not use money…so that is pretty much a moot point;)

[KiwiElf]

In a simple sense, it is a game - the idea of maintaining what they [TPTW] fear they will lose... power over us... & not recognising that the equalisation or balancing of the entire world will actually be the gaining of their own self-empowerment along with everyone elses. Hence we all go up a notch in awareness.

Those who choose to stay in 3-D will create variations of their own "Hell on Earth" & will simply cease to exist at higher frequencies - like a blocked channel on your TV which you can't or wouldn't access. ;)

From the Bible to just about every cultural and modern belief makes some reference to the "dark ones" only having a limited time....

[KiwiElf]

But we have to stop thinking of time as a linear fixed event. It isn't. ;)

[StarDust]

But we have to stop thinking of time as a linear fixed event. It isn't. ;)

Bashar explains this concept best within his explanation of infinite parallel realities. He nails it right on the head!

[KiwiElf]

But we have to stop thinking of time as a linear fixed event. It isn't. ;)

Bashar explains this concept best within his explanation of infinite parallel realities. He nails it right on the head!

Bingo... and The Time Travellers episode of ANCIENT ALIENS: somewhere through there, they talk of each possible dimension being only molecules "thick" or "apart" in a sense. Now, you can extrapolate on that and the possibility that every single being on the planet in every universe is creating their unique variation of that - at a sub-atomic level, instantaneously.

Our upgraded awareness & recognition of this will accelerate the process ? - turbo boost ?? - where you will literally, - in what appears to be physical reality at a higher vibrationary level - instantly create that reality.

Lucid dreaming is quite possibly a window or connection to this reality/dimension. ? :confused:

EDIT: Make that every single living thing, including the Earth [Gaia] itself. Every planet in the solar system is being affected as we speak.

[KiwiElf]

Hmmm the Harmonic Wave Template ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

I always chuckle seeing "Luciferianism"

Lucifer translates into lightbringer, which is Mary, mother of Jesus...

that's why they laugh at everyone being afraid of their beliefs, they let everyone think Satan but they recognize the female entity bloodline...

just using fear for control...

pull back the veil and walk in...

[Selene]

Stardust, you asked whether I am: “living in fear….” ?

I’m curious: In what respect do you take fearfulness from my comment about the most consistent message we have received from ET communications over the past century?

I do not fear this message. Rather, I understand it and take it seriously in the same spirit with which it has been offered. That is, they are speaking the truth as they understand it and our violent nature is unwelcome and dangerous outside of our planetary territory. Furthermore, our nuclear weapons are capable of placing much more than our own planetary viability in jeopardy. Nuclear fission is capable of creating rifts in the very fabric of 3-D time and space and this affects other planets and systems throughout our entire galaxy. We have no right to do this and other planets and systems are within their rights to protect themselves in self-defense. Hence the repeated shutdowns of our ICBM silos, etc. Our right of Free Will remains; we will make our own choices here. ET has not come to “save us” from ourselves and our own stupidity.

But as Justice Learned Hand once famously pointed out: “Your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins.”

This is not a message to be feared. But it is a message to be taken very, very seriously at the highest levels within our planetary governance – and within each of us as human beings.

Other planetary civilizations are perfectly within their rights to protect themselves from the side-effects of our own self-destructive earthling human nature. That much must be unequivocal.

They will not have to “destroy” us. If we continue to act stupidly, we will have done it to ourselves and will have only ourselves to blame.

That’s a warning, not a prophecy.

And I personally appreciate the fact that they have made their position clear.

You may fear this message if you choose. I do not, but rather choose to work toward meaningful nuclear disarmament and free energy as a result.

Cheers,

Selene
(And my apologies if I am unable to respond further here for the next 24-36 hours since I will be again in the air with limited wifi access….)






So. I’m reading this thread having just come off an overseas flight on which the movie was “The Day the Earth Stood Still” (1951), starring Michael Rennie as the Alien.

IMDb plot summary: “An alien lands and tells the people of Earth that they must live peacefully or be destroyed as a danger to other planets.”

Sixty-one years ago. They’ve actually been here even longer. Has the message ever changed?

Duh.

Cheers,

Selene

No one ever stated that propaganda to create fear over other worldly beings started yesterday. The real question is if you have changed with regard to receiving the message; or does that 61 year old fear tactic still have power over you?

<snip>

I hope that living in fear serves a purpose for you. Learn from it, process it, then move on!

Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!

[wynderer]

do Humans really need ETs to tell you that you are destroying your planet? the news about Fukushima addresses that topic pretty well

& if you'd like to get the real scoop on how cruel & violent many of you have been thru the ages, i recommend a study of Human history -- even w/all that's been left out, i think you'll get the picture


Stardust, you asked whether I am: “living in fear….” ?

I’m curious: In what respect do you take fearfulness from my comment about the most consistent message we have received from ET communications over the past century?

I do not fear this message. Rather, I understand it and take it seriously in the same spirit with which it has been offered. That is, they are speaking the truth as they understand it and our violent nature is unwelcome and dangerous outside of our planetary territory. Furthermore, our nuclear weapons are capable of placing much more than our own planetary viability in jeopardy. Nuclear fission is capable of creating rifts in the very fabric of 3-D time and space and this affects other planets and systems throughout our entire galaxy. We have no right to do this and other planets and systems are within their rights to protect themselves in self-defense. Hence the repeated shutdowns of our ICBM silos, etc. Our right of Free Will remains; we will make our own choices here. ET has not come to “save us” from ourselves and our own stupidity.

But as Justice Learned Hand once famously pointed out: “Your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins.”

This is not a message to be feared. But it is a message to be taken very, very seriously at the highest levels within our planetary governance – and within each of us as human beings.

Other planetary civilizations are perfectly within their rights to protect themselves from the side-effects of our own self-destructive earthling human nature. That much must be unequivocal.

They will not have to “destroy” us. If we continue to act stupidly, we will have done it to ourselves and will have only ourselves to blame.

That’s a warning, not a prophecy.

And I personally appreciate the fact that they have made their position clear.

You may fear this message if you choose. I do not, but rather choose to work toward meaningful nuclear disarmament and free energy as a result.

Cheers,

Selene
(And my apologies if I am unable to respond further here for the next 24-36 hours since I will be again in the air with limited wifi access….)






So. I’m reading this thread having just come off an overseas flight on which the movie was “The Day the Earth Stood Still” (1951), starring Michael Rennie as the Alien.

IMDb plot summary: “An alien lands and tells the people of Earth that they must live peacefully or be destroyed as a danger to other planets.”

Sixty-one years ago. They’ve actually been here even longer. Has the message ever changed?

Duh.

Cheers,

Selene

No one ever stated that propaganda to create fear over other worldly beings started yesterday. The real question is if you have changed with regard to receiving the message; or does that 61 year old fear tactic still have power over you?

<snip>

I hope that living in fear serves a purpose for you. Learn from it, process it, then move on!

Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!

[GoodETxSG]

I cannot wait to meet one of these 'Hippies from Outer Space"... They will probably want to stay away from me because I will corner one of them and ask question after question for days on end

And when you are finished with them I am going to give them a good talking to about all these abductions (so not acceptable) and then trot them off to the ICC and get them prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Anyone else there who doesn't buy this 'you actually agreed to it' excuse of theirs?

Okay, are we talking about the GOOD ET/EDs or the BAD ET/EDs? One of us is confused... To think that our limited human perceptions can understand beings that are thousandsXthousands of years beyon us... spiritually and techie wise we cannot judge them for helping or not helping us... I am sure if the regular ant crawling around met a Monk from the east it would start complaining at why it had mowed the grass over its colony and dumped powder on its family and killed it... The monk just arriving from the east would say... "HUH:... No a great comparison... but it would be along those lines... the Good ones are waiting for us to deserve and to evolve to the point to where we are worth saving as a whole... I still do not think we are even close yet... IMHO.

[Selene]

Wynderer, you offered me what I presume is a suggestion for my further education:


& if you'd like to get the real scoop on how cruel & violent many of you have been thru the ages, i recommend a study of Human history -- even w/all that's been left out, i think you'll get the picture

I have in fact been an avid student of history both ancient and modern for at least five decades, been a regular contributor to Graham Hancock’s Ancient Mysteries site for about ten years (writing on Egyptology) and am the author of several well-received books on Tudor history. My own continuous reincarnational memory extends back only about 2,500 years, though, so I do hope you will forgive my clumsy attempts at insight into human nature. I will defer to what is clearly your superior expertise.

P.S

….many of you…

“You”???? Huh ????

Pardon me, Oh Magnificent One, I note with interest your exclusion from the human race, and will now take your comments with the pretentious self-importance with which they are evidently offered for us mere mortals who sit eagerly awaiting crumbs of wisdom at your elevated feet.

Regards,

Selene

[wynderer]

but you still did not answer my question : why do Humans need ETs to tell them what is right in front of their noses?


Wynderer, you offered me what I presume is a suggestion for my further education:


& if you'd like to get the real scoop on how cruel & violent many of you have been thru the ages, i recommend a study of Human history -- even w/all that's been left out, i think you'll get the picture

I have in fact been an avid student of history both ancient and modern for at least five decades, been a regular contributor to Graham Hancock’s Ancient Mysteries site for about ten years (writing on Egyptology) and am the author of several well-received books on Tudor history. My own continuous reincarnational memory extends back only about 2,500 years, though, so I do hope you will forgive my clumsy attempts at insight into human nature. I will defer to what is clearly your superior expertise.

P.S

….many of you…

“You”???? Huh ????

Pardon me, Oh Magnificent One, I note with interest your exclusion from the human race, and will now take your comments with the pretentious self-importance with which they are evidently offered for us mere mortals who sit eagerly awaiting crumbs of wisdom at your elevated feet.

Regards,

Selene

[Selene]

Because, Wynderer, not all of us are as smart as you are.....?

Cheers,

Selene

[Mandala]

Since the name of this thread is: *Divine Intervention*: ETs Defeating the Old World Order
I'm genuinely asking for help with this thread from Unified Serenity's posting of "The Real Story Behind Aliens_ Ufos_ Demons_ Illuminati & Satanism".


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44935-The-Real-Story-Behind-Aliens_-Ufos_-Demons_-Illuminati-Satanism

I have never entertained the idea that ETs are not ETs, but "dimensional" and demonic. I was under the belief that some ETs are good and helpful. This thread and video indicates otherwise. I'm going to need some assistance, because if that is true, we are deluding ourselves. How do you feel? Not to confuse this thread, but I had to infuse that thinking into this for clarity for myself and others who may question.
Can someone offer insight from their perspective ?

I would greatly appreciate it.
Confused, Mandala

¤=[Post Update]=¤

BTW, I do get the point that the NWO and Iluminati are into satanic dealings.

[StarDust]

Since the name of this thread is: *Divine Intervention*: ETs Defeating the Old World Order
I'm genuinely asking for help with this thread from Unified Serenity's posting of "The Real Story Behind Aliens_ Ufos_ Demons_ Illuminati & Satanism".


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44935-The-Real-Story-Behind-Aliens_-Ufos_-Demons_-Illuminati-Satanism

I have never entertained the idea that ETs are not ETs, but "dimensional" and demonic. I was under the belief that some ETs are good and helpful. This thread and video indicates otherwise. I'm going to need some assistance, because if that is true, we are deluding ourselves. How do you feel? Not to confuse this thread, but I had to infuse that thinking into this for clarity for myself and others who may question.
Can someone offer insight from their perspective ?

I would greatly appreciate it.
Confused, Mandala

¤=[Post Update]=¤

BTW, I do get the point that the NWO and Iluminati are into satanic dealings.

In what way is this thread designed to instill fear in you with regard to ET/EDs? On the contrary, it is an open discussion about the future of humanity where humanity is triumphant. Sure, there are the "usual suspects" who have posted here who either don't know what to think or can't envision a future that wasn't forged from the past; but that shouldn't make you fearful of the future. As stated previously in several responses, dimensions refer to octaves or frequencies within the divine; higher dimensional beings are sometimes referred to as light beings where physicality takes on a much, much different form.

As for the "demons" and "satanism", I'll leave that one to the religionists out there. It's not my bag, nor worth my time to discuss those topics.

[jorr lundstrom]

StarDust

Who are fearful of the future? Future doesnt exist, its just an idea.

Over wot do you imagine humanty have to be triumphant?

If you continue to project your own fear on others participating

in this thread, wot good do you think this will do for this thread,

them and you? Im not in fear, Selene isnt in fear, Mandala isnt

in fear. Still you experience fear when you read our posts.

Are you totally unabel to realize where that fear comes from?

Come on, who has has the idea of fear? It doesnt help to

project ideas of a wonderful situation into a nonexistent

future, if you cant handle your own fear in this moment,

but try to place it on someone else.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[StarDust]

[QUOTE]Stardust, you asked whether I am: “living in fear….” ?

I’m curious: In what respect do you take fearfulness from my comment about the most consistent message we have received from ET communications over the past century?

Your initial post questioned weather or not we should heed the message of fear contained within a 61 y/o film about aliens invading earth. Fear is even evident in the title…"The day the Earth Stood Still". Stood Still….curious wording, as if one needs to be horrified and thus is left trembling in their footsteps riddled with fear. That movie was produced in Hollywood in conjunction with the US military to test the waters of how people would react to what is now referred to as disclosure. It was done within the same spirit of Orson Well's famous radio broadcast "War of the Worlds". Both are early examples of propaganda to be fearful of ETs.


I do not fear this message. Rather, I understand it and take it seriously in the same spirit with which it has been offered. That is, they are speaking the truth as they understand it and our violent nature is unwelcome and dangerous outside of our planetary territory.

Good, I'm glad that you don't fear the message. These points you make were absent in the original post and helps explain your point of view. However, I would postulate that they are not fearful of our technology since their technology is millions of years more advanced than ours. We are primarily a danger to ourselves and this has been permitted to occur for the process of experience as well as the karmic processes that Mozart so eloquently touched upon.


Furthermore, our nuclear weapons are capable of placing much more than our own planetary viability in jeopardy. Nuclear fission is capable of creating rifts in the very fabric of 3-D time and space and this affects other planets and systems throughout our entire galaxy. We have no right to do this and other planets and systems are within their rights to protect themselves in self-defense. Hence the repeated shutdowns of our ICBM silos, etc. Our right of Free Will remains; we will make our own choices here. ET has not come to “save us” from ourselves and our own stupidity.

I whole heartedly agree. We had no concept of what we were dealing with when we developed, tested and used our first atomic and subsequent nuclear bombs. We have no business playing with these technologies in this manner and ripped holes in space/time as a result. Montauk is a prime example of this. Subsequently, the ET/EDs have disarmed us to preserve the galaxy as well as ourselves. John Kettler has done excellent reporting on how the prime directive of non-interference has been lifted and the ET/EDs are now disarming any group with malevolent intent.


But as Justice Learned Hand once famously pointed out: “Your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins.”

This is not a message to be feared. But it is a message to be taken very, very seriously at the highest levels within our planetary governance – and within each of us as human beings.

Other planetary civilizations are perfectly within their rights to protect themselves from the side-effects of our own self-destructive earthling human nature. That much must be unequivocal.

They will not have to “destroy” us. If we continue to act stupidly, we will have done it to ourselves and will have only ourselves to blame.

That’s a warning, not a prophecy.

And I personally appreciate the fact that they have made their position clear.

You may fear this message if you choose. I do not, but rather choose to work toward meaningful nuclear disarmament and free energy as a result.

Cheers,

Selene
(And my apologies if I am unable to respond further here for the next 24-36 hours since I will be again in the air with limited wifi access….)


You have made your point clear and I now have a much better perspective of your point of view. I have no fear with regard to the future. Part of that stems from what I am, why I have chosen to volunteer here on earth and where I am from. The main reason I wish to assist others with processing fear is to help expedite the expansion of consciousness on this planet by raising vibratory frequencies. Most people aren't even aware that they are living in fear because no one has taken the time or care to say so.

I'm happy to be the catalyst for thought and assisting others to process outdated modalities. I have no doubts about what has transpired or where we are headed and my mission would be much easier if most others felt the same way. This is one of my tasks and I'm more than capable of handling it.

If you read my previous post with regard to what we have to look forward to (Post #88), you will see that I am filled with love, optimism and joy for humanity; for that is the future I foresee for humanity. Whatever fear I had about the future as a result of "opening my eyes" was processed quite some time ago. I hope you will eventually reach the same frequency of love and joy without concern for the future.

Salamat Gajun! Salamat Ja!
(Sirian for Be One, Be in Joy!)

[StarDust]

[QUOTE=jorr lundstrom;487058]StarDust

Who are fearful of the future? Future doesnt exist, its just an idea.

Those who look to the past atrocities as a basis for "the future" as understood within this 3rd Density construct. My mantra since I was a young man is this: "Everything up to and including today does not equal tomorrow." There is infinite possibility within infinite parallel realities. That is the basis of this learning/teaching.

You are correct, the "future" is a construct that is firmly rooted in the 3rd Density where linear time is a useful tool for learning. This construct does not have meaning/usefulness beyond 3rd Density and thus does not exist in the higher Densities-4th Density and higher.


Over wot do you imagine humanty have to be triumphant?

Are you really that myopic? Triumphant over the cabal and lower 4th density negatives that have ruled this planet and its people.


If you continue to project your own fear on others participating

in this thread, wot good do you think this will do for this thread,

them and you? Im not in fear, Selene isnt in fear, Mandala isnt

in fear. Still you experience fear when you read our posts.

I am projecting nothing. My comments are based on an observation of the low level vibratory frequencies that are emanating from certain posts within this thread. Those who tap into a "death/destruction/loom/gloom" mindset are tapping into fear. It is that simple. You may not see it, but that doesn't mean that it isn't present. It is. If you do not consider yourself operating within that frequency spectrum, then perhaps you should choose your wording, much, much, more carefully.


Are you totally unabel to realize where that fear comes from?

Come on, who has has the idea of fear? It doesnt help to

project ideas of a wonderful situation into a nonexistent

future, if you cant handle your own fear in this moment,

but try to place it on someone else.

Attempting to play logic games with me will not work. Anyone who has the capacity to understand energies will understand where I am coming from. If you don't like the message, quit reading them. It's that simple. But you can't seem to help yourself and thus you clearly have something to process. Quit seeking to battle outside of self and work on quelling the battle within.



All is well

Doubtful. Clearly, something has gotten under your skin and it is now up to you to process it.

[wynderer]

i do not consider myself superior to others -- i am frequently a dumbass, as i have posted elsewhere

however, i am beginning to wonder if being born in '47 & being raised w/no TV , no religion, no poisoned food, no visits to the doc -- & continuing that w/my children & all thru my life -- by parents who had suspicious minds re our gov't -& also being an abductee & seeing the actual 'ETs' who are running this planet

if it is true that Humans are being dumbed-down by all of the above -- including the concerted effort to keep abductees & mind control program survivors quiet -- then maybe you are seeing things very differently from me & quite a few others on this forum

[StarDust]

i do not consider myself superior to others -- i am frequently a dumbass, as i have posted elsewhere

however, i am beginning to wonder if being born in '47 & being raised w/no TV , no religion, no poisoned food, no visits to the doc -- & continuing that w/my children & all thru my life -- by parents who had suspicious minds re our gov't -& also being an abductee & seeing the actual 'ETs' who are running this planet

if it is true that Humans are being dumbed-down by all of the above -- including the concerted effort to keep abductees & mind control program survivors quiet -- then maybe you are seeing things very differently from me & quite a few others on this forum

I acknowledge that the things you mention are real and have been in place for a very, very, long time - stretching back more than 13,000 years or more. What I am strongly urging everyone to do is to acknowledge those things as historical references but not as a basis for what will be.

I realize that it is very difficult to wrap one's mind around what a "massive expansion of consciousness" may look/feel like since you have no basis for understanding it within the vail of forgetting. I get that. I also acknowledge that it is very difficult for people to have true faith (absolute absence of doubt) in a process without "facts" landing on your doorstep. I get that too. What I hope is that people will start to conceptualize "what will be" in the most positive light imaginable. The "future" is very bright for humanity, even if that is not apparent to some in this moment.

[WHOMADEGOD]

A lot of strange energy today...a disturbance in the force, a letting go of neg energy causing unsettled behaviour and irritability?

Sorry, that was just me, how was your day? ;)

[jorr lundstrom]

[QUOTE=jorr lundstrom;487058]StarDust

Who are fearful of the future? Future doesnt exist, its just an idea.

Those who look to the past atrocities as a basis for "the future" as understood within this 3rd Density construct. My mantra since I was a young man is this: "Everything up to and including today does not equal tomorrow." There is infinite possibility within infinite parallel realities. That is the basis of this learning/teaching.

You are correct, the "future" is a construct that is firmly rooted in the 3rd Density where linear time is a useful tool for learning. This construct does not have meaning/usefulness beyond 3rd Density and thus does not exist in the higher Densities-4th Density and higher.


Over wot do you imagine humanty have to be triumphant?

Are you really that myopic? Triumphant over the cabal and lower 4th density negatives that have ruled this planet and its people.


If you continue to project your own fear on others participating

in this thread, wot good do you think this will do for this thread,

them and you? Im not in fear, Selene isnt in fear, Mandala isnt

in fear. Still you experience fear when you read our posts.

I am projecting nothing. My comments are based on an observation of the low level vibratory frequencies that are emanating from certain posts within this thread. Those who tap into a "death/distruction/loom/gloom" mindset are tapping into fear. It is that simple. You may not see it, but that doesn't mean that it isn't present. It is. If you do not consider yourself operating within that frequency spectrum, then perhaps you should choose your wording, much, much, more carefully.


Are you totally unabel to realize where that fear comes from?

Come on, who has has the idea of fear? It doesnt help to

project ideas of a wonderful situation into a nonexistent

future, if you cant handle your own fear in this moment,

but try to place it on someone else.

Attempting to play logic games with me will not work. Anyone who has the capacity to understand energies will understand where I am coming from. If you don't like the message, quit reading them. It's that simple. But you can't seem to help yourself and thus you clearly have something to process. Quit seeking to battle outside of self and work on quelling the battle within.



All is well

Doubtful. Clearly, something has gotten under your skin and it is now up to you to process it.


Ok, good luck.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[AnthonyBacala]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485923&viewfull=1#post485923
I just want to share some interesting information, especially after reading more from James Bartley's work on Reptilian hosts parading around in the UFO community. Now, I am not pointing fingers at this particular individual, I just find the recent series of events I am about to discuss rather suspect.

Last week, I posted on the Divine Cosmos website run by David Wilcock a theory that came to me recently.



Just a forewarning, this is slightly unrelated. However this article is dealing with the individuals running the world so this goes together, in a way.

I am a firm believer in positive extra-terrestrials, and consider myself a wanderer.

The other day, after going through various interviews and videos pertaining to the alien abductions that have affected millions worldwide, an idea popped into my mind.

The positive extraterrestrials have followed the rules of non-intervention and have only acted indirectly on humanity's behalf. David said a while back, "the rules have changed" citing evidence through the various millitarily offensive operations that have been thwarted globally.

While I agree there is a strong possibility that positive ETs have assisted in this manner, is it totally crazy to think that possibly, negative ETs have also done this over the years?

I only say this because the large body of evidence relating to unwilling abductions shows that the Service to Self, negative ETs clearly have had no regard to the "rules" and have continuously broke them for ages.

These negative ETs, some with ongoing partnerships/relationships with the shadow governmet also have ties to the Reptilians and the Archons, as referred to in the Gnostic codices found at Nag Hammadi.

These beings feed off of the chaos and disharmony they continuously manipulate a large portion of humanity into experiencing. This is a prime source of "life" energy for them.

I wonder if they would have the survival of humanity, at the moment, in their interest as well, being that they use so many humans for abductions, tests, their hybrid program, and so on. And not to mention the multitudes they feed off of from their negative energy they emit.

I'm not promoting "fear porn," I am only bringing facts into few and pondering a relationship we may have overlooked.

[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.

Look at all the comments trying to discredit David and this message and you do the math.]


Upon the moderator's response, I replied,


Interesting point indeed, Moderator. I just noticed that David will be releasing further insight into Divine Intervention this upcoming Wednesday.

Any chance that he will address this information publicly?

Also, will he be providing insight into the darker side of the coin - the negative ET's and how they factor into what is taking place currently?

I believe we need to be aware of both aspects if we hope to make progress, for denying the existence of these negative forces does not negate the fact that they are occurring and affecting the majority of mankind, in some way, shape, or form.

Thank you for all that you do, both David and the Moderator. I appreciate your tireless dedication and devotion to bringing the dark towards the light.

It was funny that there was no reply to the following post. However, things got really interesting last night. After releasing the latest installment of "Divine Intervention" which naively focussed on all ETs being the good guys, which Bartley, Bartholic, and others have proven is NOT the case, I posted another comment.

Surprisingly, not only was this one not responded to, it was completely left out of the comments section. Instead, loads of other comments (nearly 100 in 24 hours) have been accepted, all of which praise David's work.

I cannot remember verbatim what this comment said, but it was along these lines...

"David, after the moderator admitted that negative ET's have also had some part in shutting down nuclear facilities and whatnot, will you please offer us your opinion on how they factor into everything.

Is it possible that we will never see disclosure, being that it would result in only more and more lies? Being that the government has been involved with the negative ET's, and have also participated in allowing abductions, pursuing MILABS, and the like, why would they reveal these secrets?

I am not promoting "fear porn" as you call it, I am simply stating facts. We need to be fully informed in order to release the fears of the unknown, and now is the time for you to release that information. What benefit does holding back on the negative side of things have for you?

What agenda are you promoting, and why do we never hear you discussing the Dracos, Reptilians, and Grays, as I am sure you are quite familiar with them?"

Now this is just a summary of what I said, but I am blown away that it is being completely surpressed from the comments board. After reading this forum, I have had my eyes opened to a multitude of lies that have been paraded in the New Age community. It is time we quit buying into the BS and search for the deeper meaning behind the actions of those we look up to in the alternative community, for, whether they know it or not, they may be being led down a tunnel that will swallow them and the millions of people following their every word--hook, line, and sinker.

Any thoughts?

[AnthonyBacala]

Be suspicious guys, discernment is key!

After typing a lengthy posts, somehow everything was just erased.

However, I will leave you with this recent letter sent to Wilcock that is surprisingly being left unmentioned.

http://http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2012/04/memo-to-david-wilcock-drake-benjamin-fulford-alexander-romanov-chodoin-daikaku-.html

Just a little taste...

"The 2012 Mass Arrest plan is based on the arrest of specific criminal human individuals as triggering a "dimensional shift" into the prophesied Gold Age (David's working hypothesis).

Humanity and Earth exist in a dimensional ecology of intelligence that includes Draco reptilian intelligence, Orion grey intelligence, and archonic intelligence.

The "New World Order" is a roll-out of these specific anti-human intelligences. Eliminating criminal humans without acknowledging and dealing with hostile extraterrestrial and archonic intelligence will not bring on the Golden Age."

Before I go, I just want to say I have been an avid follower of Wilcock for years. However, in light of the recent censoring of my comments, especially when the moderator admitted David is aware that negative ETs have also been engaged in what he has termed "Divine Intervetion" my BS meter is ringing off the charts.

I just want everyone to be aware that he very well may be, whether he realizes it or not, promoting a hidden agenda that is much more sinister in scope than the forces he has publically been fighting against all this time.

[StarDust]

While I agree there is a strong possibility that positive ETs have assisted in this manner, is it totally crazy to think that possibly, negative ETs have also done this over the years?

I only say this because the large body of evidence relating to unwilling abductions shows that the Service to Self, negative ETs clearly have had no regard to the "rules" and have continuously broke them for ages.

These negative ETs, some with ongoing partnerships/relationships with the shadow governmet also have ties to the Reptilians and the Archons, as referred to in the Gnostic codices found at Nag Hammadi.

These beings feed off of the chaos and disharmony they continuously manipulate a large portion of humanity into experiencing. This is a prime source of "life" energy for them.

I wonder if they would have the survival of humanity, at the moment, in their interest as well, being that they use so many humans for abductions, tests, their hybrid program, and so on. And not to mention the multitudes they feed off of from their negative energy they emit.

I'm not promoting "fear porn," I am only bringing facts into few and pondering a relationship we may have overlooked.

...

Any thoughts?


I've been pondering the same question with regard to how broadly the "noninterference" measures are adhered to for some time. Clearly, the negative ETs have been here for eons and perhaps that was permitted since they are in many ways the "creator' class of beings that helped genetically engineer what are now earth humans. Reptilians are known for being master geneticists.

What I have been able to glean thus far is that the lower 4th density connection to 3rd density humans was permitted to exist under the valid form of host/parasite relationship; much in the way that mosquitos and other parasites are permitted to feed on mammals openly in 3rd Density to validate their life form. I don't have any definitive answers but it is interesting to think about - learning about why certain systems are in place and what will become of them once there is a paradigm shift within predetermined cosmic cycles.

With regard to energetic parasites like the archons you mention, I recently discovered a group of benevolent ETs who are lightwarriors known as the "Silver Legion." The tale of their recent battles against dark forces here on Earth are fascinating:


New interview with Tolec of the Andromeda Council
by Tanaath on 04/05/12
Hello all,


A new interview between myself - Tanaath, and Tolec of the Andromeda Council has been posted on Tolec's Youtube channel - TolecfromDakote. You can watch it here. It pertains to the operations Butterfly Net and Magic Eraser. We had initially planned to release this interview second and the 'introductory' interview between Tolec and I first, but this was quite timely and actually contains news so it got priority.


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As promised, here is the blog report for people who don't have time to listen to Youtube videos or like their text (like me). It's not a transcript. Before we get into the details, I'm going to make a note - as has been explained through a variety of sources the experience of time in the non-physical realms and dimensions is different than it is here on the physical Earth. Out there we experience discrete events, but time references are typically not used or even perceived and experienced. I am using time references in this write-up as they correspond with our embodied Earth human perceptions in order to give you ideas of when the events described herein unfolded.

We had two main operations, Magic Eraser and Butterfly Net. In addition part of Magic Eraser was sub-operation Happy Birthday Brutus, which had the effect of increasing our success rates on both of the main operations.

Magic Eraser pertained to what I refer to (and I have heard others refer to) as 'leeches': non-physical (etheric) manufactured/bred non-sentient creatures that are designed to latch on to humans and steal their energy by provoking the production of negative energy. Anyone who has spent any time at all working with energy will likely be familiar with these. They are small, dark, blobby things that generally provoke feelings of revulsion in anyone that senses them. Like I mentioned, they are non-sentient; they only have enough 'brain power' to seek targets, feed, provoke better feeding (kind of like how mosquitoes and other biting insects inject people with an anti-coagulant to make the blood flow better - except these do it by making you pump out more negative energy in response to triggering events in your life), deliver their energy 'load' back to their masters, and to utilize minimal self-preservation instincts.

While I firmly believe that most illnesses have their cause in physical roots (such as nutrition, exposure to toxins, accident or injury, or genetics), leeches can and do exacerbate existing conditions - particularly mental illness. They typically find parts of the psyche that have been damaged by trauma to latch on to and begin feeding. They incite the production of more negative energy from existing conditions in order to increase their feeding, which will result in worsening of mental disease, deterioration of physical conditions, or general malaise. It can also impact personal interactions - someone who is heavily parasitized by these (and by the Archons, which are related to leeches kind of like how tigers are related to housecats) will be more self-destructive, more hostile, more defensive, more paranoid and suspicious, more prone to take the most negative interpretation of events, and react in the more negative ways than someone who is not.

Fortunately for us, leeches cannot reproduce on their own. They also have a finite lifespan - a leech has an effective lifespan of 8-10 months provided nothing kills them. They are easy to kill - exposure to concentrated Light, intense psionic targeting, certain sounds and vibrational frequencies, and the use of energy attacks (fire energy works well) will drive them away or kill them outright. Unfortunately for us, they were bred in mass quantities in non-physical, ethereal plane-based facilities devoted to that task. When production capacity was at its fullest, enough leeches were in circulation to have up to 10 leeches parasiting every single human on the planet.

Now, naturally, that load wasn't distributed evenly. Being ethereal-based, the production facilities were purposefully located in areas where there were naturally occurring abundances of negative energy - or where humans generated more than the usual amount. They were also located in areas where there were higher population densities. In particular, political capitols were filthy with them; conversely, areas where population densities were low or which had a great deal of nature were less affected. Additionally, certain individuals are more prone to attack than others. Certainly, people who are aware of leeches are typically quite eager to shoo them off or destroy them outright, and as a result usually they themselves and the people they associate with tend to have low or nonexistent 'loads'.

The production facilities are located on the Ethereal plane, which roughly corresponds to the physical realm. They look like strange buildings billowing out constant clouds of 'smoke' (in actuality - massive quantities of leeches), and are typically dark, ominous, and very sinister in appearance. Any video game aficionados out there might draw similarities between leech breeding pits and Daedric architecture from Bethesda's Elder Scrolls games. These facilities are hard to see even for individuals who can usually see the Ethereal plane, because they are programmed heavily with disguising techniques to convince onlookers to forget that they are there. That kind of thing doesn't work on everyone, so some people will undoubtedly have seen these facilities and may even be fully aware of what they are and what they do - whether or not they were able to do something about that fact. They range in size from about the size of a small house to the size of a basketball court, though there were a few very large facilities in select location (*cough* Washington DC *cough*).

The facilities and the leeches themselves were created by a partnership between the Draco and Hydra reptilians and the Archons (also referred to as the Predators by Carlos Castenada - my people called them the Nhoum dal Akeran - Bane of the Living). The Archons provide a template from which to design the leeches, and the Draco/Hydra reptilians provide the technology to modify the leeches and mass produce/breed them. All three benefit from the harvested negative energy that the leeches return to them. I am not privy to the details of who gets how much of what, but I imagine that it's probably a constantly shifting arrangement with just enough solidity to have made it worthwhile to keep going as long as it had.

The Silver Legion designed the operation Magic Eraser to deal with the leech breeding facilities, and we launched Magic Eraser on the night of March 31/morning of April 1 (yes, deliberately, to coincide with April Fool's Day here among some cultures of Earth). These facilities were numerous and well-protected: there was well over 1,000 across the face of the Earth. Because of the way that the Draco reptilians (who were tasked with defense) respond to attacks, only a simultaneous attack of all of the facilities at the same time could be successful. One-by-one attacks would give them too much opportunity to devise successful countermeasures, and just removing a few of these facilities would accomplish nothing. This required a large team of operatives - our largest up until Butterfly Net (which I will describe next). Teams of about 1-5 operatives, mostly stealth and subterfuge types, were dispatched simultaneously to each of the facilities, equipped with several explosive devices and several devices with multiple techniques of teleportation/portaling to permit their safe extraction once the packages were delivered.

To facilitate this, information on facility locations, defense, and blueprints had been leaked to us by a mole from within the ranks of the enemy. This allowed us to sneak in ahead of time and plant redundant explosives. It also allowed us to get in, do our thing, and get out quickly and effectively at the moment of attack.

Information travels quite readily in the non-physical realms, and it's impossible to keep anything entirely a secret, so they knew we were coming. However, we had engineered a distraction of our own which greatly contributed to our success. Between our techniques, our insistence on redundancy in all stages of our attack phase, and our little distraction, I am very pleased to report no deaths among the 3,000+ operatives, and a 98% success rate in destruction of these facilities. When we initially started planning this operation, our projections anticipated 25% casualties and 65-80% success rate - these figures improved with every bit of leaked information we received from our moles and every additional redundancy step we built into the process.

Our distraction, sub-operation Happy Birthday Brutus, involved goading one of the Draco reptilians' highly-placed political leaders into attacking the Silver Legion headquarters. We had staged some showy and false dissension among our ranks where we knew they would witness it, and then taunted Brutus as much as we could. Since he knew we were going to hit the leech pits, he decided while we were 'weakened' by having 3k people out on a mission that he would counterstike us. Needless to say we were ready for him and we weren't nearly as weak as Brutus expected. We killed Brutus and routed his invasion force with only minor injuries.

Now, it is important to understand how reptilian society works. It is very hierarchical, and any time a person in a position of power goes down or looks like they are about to go down, those below immediately begin 'restructuring' - backstabbing, manipulating, and maneuvering to rise on the social ladder. This kind of social shuffle is higher priority to them than other objectives. So we let information leak to some of Brutus's enemies that the Silver Legion wasn't as defenseless as it seemed. This meant that the restructuring began before we fully launched Magic Eraser, and before Brutus became aware of the fact that he'd been duped. This is what nudged our success rate so high and our casualty rate so low.

Additionally, the loss of Brutus and the chaos caused by the restructuring effect of someone so highly placed (and most of his highly placed officials and army) meant that our second operation - Butterfly Net, was somewhat easier.

Butterfly Net came about as the result of a tip-off from some of our moles that a space-based attack was being launched on our Andromeda Council allies' biospheres located in and around this solar system. We immediately got as much information as we could and then informed our allies. Fortunately, they knew and were confident they could handle it, but we figured we would be remiss as allies if we didn't also do our part. Plus, as part of the restructuring effect, we had managed to get useful information on the attack - initial numbers, ship types, crew sizes, types and dispositions, travel paths, and blueprints. This allowed us to develop boarding parties with the objective of capturing ships if possible, destroying them as the next priority, or hampering their effectiveness as much as possible so that they wouldn't be able to effectively attack our allies.

We created 50 teams of 100 warriors - mostly humanoid and human-sized as some of our more exotic members would have a hard time moving effectively given the scale of the ships. The total team size was 5,000. Again, as with Magic Eraser, we sent them out using redundant portaling/teleportation techniques and with each team member equipped with redundant portaling/teleportation devices rigged with 'dead-man' switches to allow them to self-evacuate even if things went very bad. Those devices were programmed to deposit the warriors straight in our medical facilities in a specially designed area created to deal with 5,000 potentially wounded people.

The reptilian attack (in retaliation to the Andromeda Council's destruction of the final undersea/underground base here on earth) consisted of a fleet of 50 dreadnought-class attack ships. The attack plan was to enter our solar system through a portal behind Jupiter (from Earth's point of view) in the fourth dimension, drop down into the third dimension, and cruise to the attack location while cloaked. Once in attack position, they would release flocks of ship-killing missiles designed to knock out environmental systems and kill people on board the biospheres while leaving the technology intact to be taken and 'repurposed'. Each ship contained a crew of 50, of which 15 were required to fly the vessel and the remainder were backup or involved in manning the weaponry; plus a complement of 20-50 shock troops intended to board the biospheres to finish off anyone not yet dead from the ship killers and retrieve (dead or alive) the captives that the Andromeda Council had taken from the base.

We boarded the ships right as they came out of the portal and before they dropped into the third dimension. Because we didn't know what would happen if someone incarnated and projecting to us suddenly had their non-physical self dropped into the third dimension, only Legionnaires who did not have physical bodies were used for this operation. Again, we made use of leaked information in order to attack the ships from the inside as we portaled in. They were expecting us to do something, though the exact form of our action was fortunately not known to them.

Unlike Magic Eraser, our success rate in Butterfly Net was lower and we took casualties. We were able to capture 5 ships intact - apparently something that has never been done before because the reptilians make a practice of self-destroying their vessels before it gets to the point of capture. Our unique and diverse teleportation techniques are really what permitted that success. Additionally, we were able to destroy another 30 ships - either by destroying them ourselves, or getting the reptilians to hit the self-destruct switch and then using our evacuation methods to get out of there before our boarding teams went down with the ships. The other 15 ships were safely destroyed by the Andromeda Council before they could do any damage to the biospheres.

In return, we had 800 deaths, and every surviving member of the strike force was either injured or infected with parasites and required medical treatment. This requires some explanation - the reptilian forces make heavy use of genetically engineered parasites (sometimes they term them 'symbionts') which are designed to modify the behaviour of the person they infect, and designed to seek out uninfected people to infect. Implants, by contrast, must be installed, and are not capable of modifying their behaviour outside of their programming constraints. Parasites are. The reptilians permeate the air on their ship with parasites. The reasons for this are multiple: to prevent mutiny and suppress the natural reptilian urge to backstab and manipulate during an operation, to aid in instant communication, and to hamper boarding teams. So everyone came back with at least one parasite that had to be dealt with, even those who had taken no injuries. This was the reason we had programmed the evacuation devices to deposit people in a specially prepared medical facility.

Our healers worked tirelessly to clean up the survivors, heal injuries, and recover our dead. At the time of this post, all of those who were infected and uninjured, or who had moderate or minor injuries have been healed and released. Those who were more seriously injured are still resting, and we have recovered all of the 800 fallen except for one individual who communicated his/her intention to rest in Source for a while longer (recovery is optional - not everyone always chooses to come back - and while we will miss them we must respect their choice). Those who have been recovered will rest and regain their strength and will be under no obligation to participate in any missions until they feel up to it. We've filled the recuperation areas with as many games and activities as we could think of to make sure their recuperation is as pleasant as it can be.

As a token of good-will, we have presented one of our captured dreadnoughts to the Andromeda Council. In return, they provided us with one of their scout-craft, and at our request, seconded pilots to help us train crews. Because the Silver Legion is based in a spiritual realm, most of us don't have experience with space ships, so this kind of expertise is vitally necessary and very much appreciated.

For those of you hoping for a Silver Legion fly-by, such an activity will have to wait until later. We will be developing our own fleet of scout craft, but until that point, we won't risk our only one on the chance of a crash or being shot down (considering that we are rank novices in the art of piloting a craft). And we most definitely will not send a dreadnought to Earth - that could be perceived as an act of war, and we have no desire to declare war on Earth (quite the opposite).

http://www.silverlegion.org/index.html

[KiwiElf]

From Wynderer

...but you still did not answer my question : why do Humans need ETs to tell them what is right in front of their noses?

...why do Humans need other Humans to tell them what is right in front of their noses?... ;)

The answer should be similar to:

Why do infants & children need adults to teach them? - Just a thought ;)

[Snowbird]

I just finished listening to the original interview of Tanaath from the Silver Legion by Tolec, which I have linked below. Really genuinely fascinating.


Silver Legion - Intoductory Interview with Tanaath.wmv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU9_-mQvSM4

Andromeda Council - You Tube listing

http://www.youtube.com/user/TolecfromDakote

The Silver Legion

http://www.silverlegion.org/

[DreamsInDigital]

Tanaath is really awesome. She's great about replying to emails too.

[StarDust]

I really sensed a very good energy about Tanaath and she seems very genuine. Glad they have a good sense of humor about their mission. All the assistance by the ET/EDs is really incredible and they are forging a path for lasting peace. Our thanks to you all!

[AnthonyBacala]

Guys, before we get hung up on these benevolent ETs (and yes I believe they exist) who have yet to show any tangible proof of their actions (aside from powering down nuclear facilities and the like...which Wilcock's moderator admitted negative ETs are also doing) and rely merely upon channeled information, take some time to familiarize yourselves with the various negative ETs/EDs who HAVE made their presence known, in a rather unwelcomed fashion, and immerse yourselves in some truth.

If you are anything like me, this thread created by Houman, and constantly being added to, will shake your current belief structure and you may find yourselves questioning everything you've believed with this new age movement.

http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Also, as you will see within this thread Jean-Luc was kind enough to create a free PDF eBook with the majority of the content in an easy to read format.

Not being critical guys, we just need to focus on truth, now more than ever. And even though a lot of the stuff in this thread is hard to stomach, pretending it doesn't exist, or refusing to believe it exists is by far the worse thing you can do. Do your "homework" and you may find yourself, and your beliefs, shifting away from hopes of Ascension (as the idea of leaving this planet) and realize you don't want to go anywhere until we collectively clean up this mess...even if we weren't the perpetrators.

[StarDust]

Guys, before we get hung up on these benevolent ETs (and yes I believe they exist) who have yet to show any tangible proof of their actions (aside from powering down nuclear facilities and the like...which Wilcock's moderator admitted negative ETs are also doing) and rely merely upon channeled information, take some time to familiarize yourselves with the various negative ETs/EDs who HAVE made their presence known, in a rather unwelcomed fashion, and immerse yourselves in some truth.

If you are anything like me, this thread created by Houman, and constantly being added to, will shake your current belief structure and you may find yourselves questioning everything you've believed with this new age movement.

http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Also, as you will see within this thread Jean-Luc was kind enough to create a free PDF eBook with the majority of the content in an easy to read format.

Not being critical guys, we just need to focus on truth, now more than ever. And even though a lot of the stuff in this thread is hard to stomach, pretending it doesn't exist, or refusing to believe it exists is by far the worse thing you can do. Do your "homework" and you may find yourself, and your beliefs, shifting away from hopes of Ascension (as the idea of leaving this planet) and realize you don't want to go anywhere until we collectively clean up this mess...even if we weren't the perpetrators.

I would proceed down the path you are heading with extreme caution. To educate one's self about the dark forces is one thing. Spend too much time there and it will eat you from the inside out. Besides, once you have identified the dark forces, then what?

I think it's better to leave the intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened and to do what you can to improve your local community in any way you see fit. Now, more than ever it is important to focus precious energy on the light.

P.S. Wanderers are not impervious to being claimed by the dark side. I speak from experience, as I've lost one of my star brothers to dark forces not so long ago. He went deep down the proverbial rabbit hole chasing dark forces and it literally ate him alive. As you are most likely aware, it is one of the real dangers we face when volunteering for the mission. I wish you well on your journey. Be safe!

[AnthonyBacala]

Guys, before we get hung up on these benevolent ETs (and yes I believe they exist) who have yet to show any tangible proof of their actions (aside from powering down nuclear facilities and the like...which Wilcock's moderator admitted negative ETs are also doing) and rely merely upon channeled information, take some time to familiarize yourselves with the various negative ETs/EDs who HAVE made their presence known, in a rather unwelcomed fashion, and immerse yourselves in some truth.

If you are anything like me, this thread created by Houman, and constantly being added to, will shake your current belief structure and you may find yourselves questioning everything you've believed with this new age movement.

http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Also, as you will see within this thread Jean-Luc was kind enough to create a free PDF eBook with the majority of the content in an easy to read format.

Not being critical guys, we just need to focus on truth, now more than ever. And even though a lot of the stuff in this thread is hard to stomach, pretending it doesn't exist, or refusing to believe it exists is by far the worse thing you can do. Do your "homework" and you may find yourself, and your beliefs, shifting away from hopes of Ascension (as the idea of leaving this planet) and realize you don't want to go anywhere until we collectively clean up this mess...even if we weren't the perpetrators.

I would proceed down the path you are heading with extreme caution. To educate one's self about the dark forces is one thing. Spend too much time there and it will eat you from the inside out. Besides, once you have identified the dark forces, then what?

I think it's better to leave the intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened and to do what you can to improve your local community in any way you see fit. Now, more than ever it is important to focus precious energy on the light.

P.S. Wanderers are not impervious to being claimed by the dark side. I speak from experience, as I've lost one of my star brothers to dark forces not so long ago. As you are most likely aware, it is one of the real dangers we face when volunteering for the mission. I wish you well on your journey.

No disrespect, but that is EXACTLY what the negative forces want. Disillusioned people wanting to shift their focus away from any evil deeds, leaving the "intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened" while they await someone else to save them.

No one is coming to save you, the Calvary is already here. And, if you consider yourself a wanderer, wouldn't that make you too, one of those intergalactic, battle hardened entities who has come back into a lower dimension to assist?

Not being rude, but this is exactly the kind of thought process that is keeping members of the New Age community in further bondage.

However, I agree with waking up others on a local level, which I focus on daily. At the same time, though, ignorance or refusal to believe of these negative forces will not cease their presence here.

And, in response to what do you do after you have explored the negative side of the coin...well I'm still working on that, myself, but I believe that knowledge is power, and by spreading knowledge (not just positive, wishful thinking) especially at the local level, we can achieve the 100th monkey effect and collectively find a way to regain our sovereignty.

[StarDust]

[QUOTE=AnthonyBacala;487319]No disrespect, but that is EXACTLY what the negative forces want. Disillusioned people wanting to shift their focus away from any evil deeds, leaving the "intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened" while they await someone else to save them.

No one is coming to save you, the Calvary is already here. And, if you consider yourself a wanderer, wouldn't that make you too, one of those intergalactic, battle hardened entities who has come back into a lower dimension to assist?

Not being rude, but this is exactly the kind of thought process that is keeping members of the New Age community in further bondage.

Yes, I am a Wanderer and no I do not consider your point of view rude. Although I don't identify myself as a "New Ager", I am fully aware and awake to my primary and secondary missions. I spent over a decade identifying the playing field, principle players and game being played and have an excellent grasp of it all.

What you seem to overlook is that the way to "win" is to raise the vibratory level of the collective consciousness of Gaia. That is the universal first mission for every Wanderer which we accomplish by simply "being". Only then will the dark forces cease to exist within the 4th Density positive structure which will be Gaia in her new state of expanded consciousness.

If you feel the need to go down that path to satisfy your curiosities, then that is your calling and not mine. I learned long ago to only focus energy where it is wanted. Otherwise you will find yourself spinning your wheels for naught. Again, I wish you well and hope that you are aware of what you are getting yourself into.


However, I agree with waking up others on a local level, which I focus on daily. At the same time, though, ignorance or refusal to believe of these negative forces will not cease their presence here.

Good. Service to others is always the wise path. Again, it's not ignorance. That is an assumption that is flatly incorrect. I've put in more than enough study time and I know my role and it isn't battling Geckos on steroids with a bad attitude. I'll leave that task to the good people of the Andromeda Galaxy and members of the Silver Legion.


And, in response to what do you do after you have explored the negative side of the coin...well I'm still working on that, myself, but I believe that knowledge is power, and by spreading knowledge (not just positive, wishful thinking) especially at the local level, we can achieve the 100th monkey effect and collectively find a way to regain our sovereignty.

Knowledge can be empowering. However, obsessing over something that you may have little ability to do something about can be very dangerous. My friend is dead as a result of that obsession. Tread carefully and be well my star brother!

[Chester]

Guys, before we get hung up on these benevolent ETs (and yes I believe they exist) who have yet to show any tangible proof of their actions (aside from powering down nuclear facilities and the like...which Wilcock's moderator admitted negative ETs are also doing) and rely merely upon channeled information, take some time to familiarize yourselves with the various negative ETs/EDs who HAVE made their presence known, in a rather unwelcomed fashion, and immerse yourselves in some truth.

If you are anything like me, this thread created by Houman, and constantly being added to, will shake your current belief structure and you may find yourselves questioning everything you've believed with this new age movement.

http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Also, as you will see within this thread Jean-Luc was kind enough to create a free PDF eBook with the majority of the content in an easy to read format.

Not being critical guys, we just need to focus on truth, now more than ever. And even though a lot of the stuff in this thread is hard to stomach, pretending it doesn't exist, or refusing to believe it exists is by far the worse thing you can do. Do your "homework" and you may find yourself, and your beliefs, shifting away from hopes of Ascension (as the idea of leaving this planet) and realize you don't want to go anywhere until we collectively clean up this mess...even if we weren't the perpetrators.

I would proceed down the path you are heading with extreme caution. To educate one's self about the dark forces is one thing. Spend too much time there and it will eat you from the inside out. Besides, once you have identified the dark forces, then what?

I think it's better to leave the intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened and to do what you can to improve your local community in any way you see fit. Now, more than ever it is important to focus precious energy on the light.

P.S. Wanderers are not impervious to being claimed by the dark side. I speak from experience, as I've lost one of my star brothers to dark forces not so long ago. As you are most likely aware, it is one of the real dangers we face when volunteering for the mission. I wish you well on your journey.

No disrespect, but that is EXACTLY what the negative forces want. Disillusioned people wanting to shift their focus away from any evil deeds, leaving the "intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened" while they await someone else to save them.

No one is coming to save you, the Calvary is already here. And, if you consider yourself a wanderer, wouldn't that make you too, one of those intergalactic, battle hardened entities who has come back into a lower dimension to assist?

Not being rude, but this is exactly the kind of thought process that is keeping members of the New Age community in further bondage.

However, I agree with waking up others on a local level, which I focus on daily. At the same time, though, ignorance or refusal to believe of these negative forces will not cease their presence here.

And, in response to what do you do after you have explored the negative side of the coin...well I'm still working on that, myself, but I believe that knowledge is power, and by spreading knowledge (not just positive, wishful thinking) especially at the local level, we can achieve the 100th monkey effect and collectively find a way to regain our sovereignty.

Solutions regarding the evil forces is what we should focus on. They exist, they are very real, yes you can go deeeeeep into the rabbit hole and maybe get swallowed up. Let's discuss solutions. Those who are under the influences of the dark forces are real. Some unwittingly and some quite consciously. Within that group of humans is where the solution must come. How can we help them - that is what we need to discuss.

[StarDust]

Solutions regarding the evil forces is what we should focus on. They exist, they are very real, yes you can go deeeeeep into the rabbit hole and maybe get swallowed up. Let's discuss solutions. Those who are under the influences of the dark forces are real. Some unwittingly and some quite consciously. Within that group of humans is where the solution must come. How can we help them - that is what we need to discuss.


I fully concur. Identifying the pieces on a chess board may permit you to make the first move but it certainly won't provide a long term strategy to win.

[the_vast_mystery]

No disrespect, but that is EXACTLY what the negative forces want. Disillusioned people wanting to shift their focus away from any evil deeds, leaving the "intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened" while they await someone else to save them.

No one is coming to save you, the Calvary is already here. And, if you consider yourself a wanderer, wouldn't that make you too, one of those intergalactic, battle hardened entities who has come back into a lower dimension to assist?

Not being rude, but this is exactly the kind of thought process that is keeping members of the New Age community in further bondage.

However, I agree with waking up others on a local level, which I focus on daily. At the same time, though, ignorance or refusal to believe of these negative forces will not cease their presence here.

And, in response to what do you do after you have explored the negative side of the coin...well I'm still working on that, myself, but I believe that knowledge is power, and by spreading knowledge (not just positive, wishful thinking) especially at the local level, we can achieve the 100th monkey effect and collectively find a way to regain our sovereignty.

Let's do a little hypothetical simulation and think about this for a moment. What are we looking to achieve here? Freedom and Sovereignty? Yes, that sounds about right. Now, what impediments do we have in our way? A shadow government, and a large number of men with guns who are more than capable of killing and or torturing anyone who has heretofore provided a significant threat to them (people with actual evidence.) Now how are we going to stop them? There really are only two answers, you either remove their physical capability to attack you (Highly unlikely, would require high level manifestation and matter alteration abilities that so far no one person on this planet has shown to possess) or you would need to change their minds (much more likely and can be done via targeted meditation.) It seems to me that the smartest idea then would be to take stock of the situation, all of the key players, and then use all of that positive energy to focus on creating a peaceful scenario where people change their minds and the shadow government loses it's power. If we all did it at once there is a chance we might be able to achieve this one alone. I think this is exactly why Cobra's holding these Global Liberation exercises. It's about putting the energy out to change the minds of enough people that we might be able to do something.

I'm still pessimistic about the numbers, but I could be wrong. Realistically what we need to do though is remove the shadow government, taking stock of the situation also means admitting that these Archons and other negatives do exist and they likely have their key players under hardened protection from such simple attacks. So really our only option wouldn't even be so much to focus on them directly but rather to meditate for an intervention from our own civilization that automatically removes them. This "The Plan" may have been a false op to start with and yet it outlines a potential for how things could happen if one assumes that it is possible to create a consciousness tsunami through focused meditation that can positively influence a large number of people to just wake up one day, and begin the arrests.

Does that mean this alone is the only way? Of course not, but if we don't first admit that we cannot be free until we get rid of the systems of slavery that means we need to figure out a way to remove the shadow government or at best each of us will be living on borrowed time that we might have slightly extended. As unfortunately even the best among us still are alive in bodies, and this means we all have very convenient ways of being pressured through physical torture as well as torture of loved ones and that means the moment any one of us becomes a serious nuisance, if we do not remove the shadow government, we too are vulnerable. Only someone who entirely abandons loving others and compassion is able to be "free" in this current paradigm because only they will be free of loving attachments that can be exploited. Let's be serious, do you think you alone can remove the shadow government? Do you alone think you could kill a SWAT team breaking down your door one day to cart you off on a train to some death camp somewhere? We love to talk big about these things but even someone well armed isn't much of a match for the latest gadgets our high-tech militarized police are getting and they will probably not have the numbers or organization needed to fend them off for long.

Do any of you even remember Waco? Do you really think you'll be safe if you can get a secure compound and load up on guns? Don't make me laugh, WACO was a warning to everyone that no matter how well armed you think you are the government is always much better armed and capable of taking you and your friends out if you become trouble. Note, that isn't me touching upon the actual motivations of the government for how they handled the Waco situation but if you know how armed Koresh was then you can see that the incident shows that no, if you get in a firefight no matter how many guns or how much body armor you have eventually the government will kill you.

We need the military, we need the police, we need the people with guns to be on our side and not busting down our door and hauling us off to death camps. The only way that's going to happen is if we can find a way to make that happen. We're not action heroes, we may have varying levels of intuitive senses and "knowing" but none so far has evidenced any grand powers beyond those of insight and knowledge. So we are not going to go fly in superman style and arrest the cabal. We are limited to the tools of the mind and that means we must use them! I go through good and bad periods still, and my opinion on the subject may very well change if I get hit with another wave of negativity again. (Although I am trying to work on that, self-improvement is an ever slow and laberous process for myself -_-;;) But for right now I think that is literally the only thing we can do, the only thing. We can try to talk about this with others but let's not try to get caught up on proselytizing, you know how much that must annoy people just like if someone from a major religion were to try and "convert" you and wouldn't leave you alone. We're here, we've got rules we need to work within, rules like the laws of physics and the limitations of the human body, rules that govern whether people will believe what we have to say even if it may in fact be true, etc. So given that, what else can we do? Seriously?

[9eagle9]

If we are infants and childrens then certainly that is how we have been treated all this time; and if that is how humans view themselves that is how they will continue to be treated.

That's suits most people just fine; some humans are attempting a higher standard of not remaining spiritually immature.

Certainly I don't see stewardship of the earth being granted to a race of children, so supervised they will remain.




From Wynderer

...but you still did not answer my question : why do Humans need ETs to tell them what is right in front of their noses?

...why do Humans need other Humans to tell them what is right in front of their noses?... ;)

The answer should be similar to:

Why do infants & children need adults to teach them? - Just a thought ;)

[wynderer]

'supervised' is putting it mildly


If we are infants and childrens then certainly that is how we have been treated all this time; and if that is how humans view themselves that is how they will continue to be treated.

That's suits most people just fine; some humans are attempting a higher standard of not remaining spiritually immature.

Certainly I don't see stewardship of the earth being granted to a race of children, so supervised they will remain.




From Wynderer

...but you still did not answer my question : why do Humans need ETs to tell them what is right in front of their noses?

...why do Humans need other Humans to tell them what is right in front of their noses?... ;)

The answer should be similar to:

Why do infants & children need adults to teach them? - Just a thought ;)

[joedjemal]

:rapture:


... they may simply be vibrating at a level that we simply cannot see with human eyes; I have to presume that all 5D and above is not visible to us, no matter how nifty the camera. :)


frozen alchemy ~


You are right -- 5D (both the 5th density and the 5th dimension) are invisible to us 3-D beings; 4-D (both kinds) is also invisible, as are the rest of the higher dimensions up to the 8th level of this octave of maya.


:rapture: ~~ I was showing my ex-GF this cute, little "rapture" dude and she totally LOVED it. <grin>


~Mozart

I disagree with this, I've been able to see the shadow world behind this one for as long as I can remember (not that it always makes much sense). That vision has been improving as I make progress. You can see the cracks in reality if you look carefully enough. This so called 3d reality is only one layer of a much more complicated world. I'm convinced anyone can learn to see it if they try.

[wynderer]

it has been suggested that those of us who can see UFOs are able to see more of the color spectrum -- ultraviolet at one end, & infrared at the other

there are many at Avalon who have 'the sight', & it seems that all of us are growing a bit more in psychic perception -- all Humans are, i think

& i agree about the 'cracks' in the Matrix -- i used that same word --cracks -- in a post some time ago



:rapture:


... they may simply be vibrating at a level that we simply cannot see with human eyes; I have to presume that all 5D and above is not visible to us, no matter how nifty the camera. :)


frozen alchemy ~


You are right -- 5D (both the 5th density and the 5th dimension) are invisible to us 3-D beings; 4-D (both kinds) is also invisible, as are the rest of the higher dimensions up to the 8th level of this octave of maya.


:rapture: ~~ I was showing my ex-GF this cute, little "rapture" dude and she totally LOVED it. <grin>


~Mozart

I disagree with this, I've been able to see the shadow world behind this one for as long as I can remember (not that it always makes much sense). That vision has been improving as I make progress. You can see the cracks in reality if you look carefully enough. This so called 3d reality is only one layer of a much more complicated world. I'm convinced anyone can learn to see it if they try.

[modwiz]

Guys, before we get hung up on these benevolent ETs (and yes I believe they exist) who have yet to show any tangible proof of their actions (aside from powering down nuclear facilities and the like...which Wilcock's moderator admitted negative ETs are also doing) and rely merely upon channeled information, take some time to familiarize yourselves with the various negative ETs/EDs who HAVE made their presence known, in a rather unwelcomed fashion, and immerse yourselves in some truth.

If you are anything like me, this thread created by Houman, and constantly being added to, will shake your current belief structure and you may find yourselves questioning everything you've believed with this new age movement.

http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Also, as you will see within this thread Jean-Luc was kind enough to create a free PDF eBook with the majority of the content in an easy to read format.

Not being critical guys, we just need to focus on truth, now more than ever. And even though a lot of the stuff in this thread is hard to stomach, pretending it doesn't exist, or refusing to believe it exists is by far the worse thing you can do. Do your "homework" and you may find yourself, and your beliefs, shifting away from hopes of Ascension (as the idea of leaving this planet) and realize you don't want to go anywhere until we collectively clean up this mess...even if we weren't the perpetrators.

I would proceed down the path you are heading with extreme caution. To educate one's self about the dark forces is one thing. Spend too much time there and it will eat you from the inside out. Besides, once you have identified the dark forces, then what?

I think it's better to leave the intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened and to do what you can to improve your local community in any way you see fit. Now, more than ever it is important to focus precious energy on the light.

P.S. Wanderers are not impervious to being claimed by the dark side. I speak from experience, as I've lost one of my star brothers to dark forces not so long ago. As you are most likely aware, it is one of the real dangers we face when volunteering for the mission. I wish you well on your journey.

No disrespect, but that is EXACTLY what the negative forces want. Disillusioned people wanting to shift their focus away from any evil deeds, leaving the "intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened" while they await someone else to save them.

No one is coming to save you, the Calvary is already here. And, if you consider yourself a wanderer, wouldn't that make you too, one of those intergalactic, battle hardened entities who has come back into a lower dimension to assist?

Not being rude, but this is exactly the kind of thought process that is keeping members of the New Age community in further bondage.

However, I agree with waking up others on a local level, which I focus on daily. At the same time, though, ignorance or refusal to believe of these negative forces will not cease their presence here.

And, in response to what do you do after you have explored the negative side of the coin...well I'm still working on that, myself, but I believe that knowledge is power, and by spreading knowledge (not just positive, wishful thinking) especially at the local level, we can achieve the 100th monkey effect and collectively find a way to regain our sovereignty.

Solutions regarding the evil forces is what we should focus on. They exist, they are very real, yes you can go deeeeeep into the rabbit hole and maybe get swallowed up. Let's discuss solutions. Those who are under the influences of the dark forces are real. Some unwittingly and some quite consciously. Within that group of humans is where the solution must come. How can we help them - that is what we need to discuss.

Some need help and some of us are good at helping others. At the same time some are better at kicking ass. There are plenty of us so there is plenty of diverse talent to go around. Realizing we have work to do and getting to it is a really good idea. Walking the walk would be wonderful if some productive and focused talk/ideas could make it through the noise of democracy.

As for the rabbit holes, we should use them as latrines.

[9eagle9]

Learning to see without one's eyes, yes. the basis of enhancing one's perceptions. There more than one way to observe something. One shifts their perceptions and one's physical eyes shift along with it.




:rapture:


... they may simply be vibrating at a level that we simply cannot see with human eyes; I have to presume that all 5D and above is not visible to us, no matter how nifty the camera. :)


frozen alchemy ~


You are right -- 5D (both the 5th density and the 5th dimension) are invisible to us 3-D beings; 4-D (both kinds) is also invisible, as are the rest of the higher dimensions up to the 8th level of this octave of maya.


:rapture: ~~ I was showing my ex-GF this cute, little "rapture" dude and she totally LOVED it. <grin>


~Mozart

I disagree with this, I've been able to see the shadow world behind this one for as long as I can remember (not that it always makes much sense). That vision has been improving as I make progress. You can see the cracks in reality if you look carefully enough. This so called 3d reality is only one layer of a much more complicated world. I'm convinced anyone can learn to see it if they try.

[Snowbird]

Sirius White, I read your post right after it first appeared on this forum and was rather surprised. I was tired that day, so I decided not to respond. I then came back and re-read it and was even more surprised, so I decided to respond.

Granted, I don't necessarily follow the work of DW any more or less than anyone else's work. However, I do try to maintain an open mind and heart where these issues are concerned because some of what is posted is spot-on and we learn over time that the rest should be ignored. I also believe that it is important for us to "voice" our opinions when we deem necessary.


More distractions.

We don't need the ET's guys. I mean we do in a spiritual sense.

This is a rouse...

Like GFL...

It's part of the whole agenda of the Cabal to give people false sense of security: Look! WE are losing! We are releasing free energy! Aliens are coming to save you!! New financial system coming tomorrow!

We don't need the ET's guys. I find this an astonishing statement. If you mean by this statement that we each have the responsibility to attain and maintain a higher level of vibrational frequency and remove our proverbial heads from the sand, then I fully agree. If, however, you are indicating that the 3D humans on this Terra-3 Earth have the abilities and the knowhow to simultaneously raise and maintain their vibrational frequency, wake up from hundreds of thousands of years of forced and induced sleep-state, fight an enormously powerful and intelligent and deadly off-Earth group of miscreants who would eat us for lunch and whose technological abilities are astounding and who are the main authors of the ruination of this planet Earth and many many other universal planets and life forms, then I would have to say that I profoundly disagree. I think that your statement is waaaay off base.


There is a war....but its mostly a war between ancient clans, that emanate from the same families. Both ET and human.

Yes, there is a war. In fact, there are several wars being literally waged all around us in the etheric and yes, there are ancient clan-families fighting amongst themselves. There are also wars being fought by extremely dedicated off-Earth ETs who happen to be our distant relatives, who care enough about the Earth and her people and biology to risk their very beings to help to free this planet and this galaxy and this universe from powerful miscreants.


If there is one thing I've learned is:

Everything is EARNED. There is no easy ascension and freedom while 90% of people are still zombified watching jersey shore and in denial. What would they do with that freedom? Do you really think they've even chosen it yet? We have to fight for it. We have to strive to evolve in order to over-come the crisis. THAT'S what causes ascension! THAT is what causes spiritual evolution!

Do you really think ET's got to where they are at today, by having it all handed to them on a silver platter?

The operative question here is HOW do the people of Earth accomplish your interpretation of freedom when they are in forced lockdown by powerful off-Earth forces? HOW is that accomplished?

The Universal Source is offering the Earth the freedom to ascend. There are over ten million off-Earth starseeds presently on this planet who are helping to make sure that this Earth and her people and her biology ascend along with this galaxy And this Universe. You may be one of these. We are moving forward and will not be stopped by miscreants.

Coming along for the ride?

[9eagle9]

. No accident the song has been recently resurrected. We've lost our honor, our nobility, our courage and the ability to ride a horse. We have to 'love' the bad guys instead of kicking their asses. One suggest you watch the movie in it's entirety,(vid only shows ass kicking parts) but didn't come from a ptb movie studio. Very simple message about reclaiming the better parts of ourselves.

o5POi-T4Dlw

for those among us who don't remember what Billy Jack showed us.

(ladies you are excused to go change your underwear)








Guys, before we get hung up on these benevolent ETs (and yes I believe they exist) who have yet to show any tangible proof of their actions (aside from powering down nuclear facilities and the like...which Wilcock's moderator admitted negative ETs are also doing) and rely merely upon channeled information, take some time to familiarize yourselves with the various negative ETs/EDs who HAVE made their presence known, in a rather unwelcomed fashion, and immerse yourselves in some truth.

If you are anything like me, this thread created by Houman, and constantly being added to, will shake your current belief structure and you may find yourselves questioning everything you've believed with this new age movement.

http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Also, as you will see within this thread Jean-Luc was kind enough to create a free PDF eBook with the majority of the content in an easy to read format.

Not being critical guys, we just need to focus on truth, now more than ever. And even though a lot of the stuff in this thread is hard to stomach, pretending it doesn't exist, or refusing to believe it exists is by far the worse thing you can do. Do your "homework" and you may find yourself, and your beliefs, shifting away from hopes of Ascension (as the idea of leaving this planet) and realize you don't want to go anywhere until we collectively clean up this mess...even if we weren't the perpetrators.

I would proceed down the path you are heading with extreme caution. To educate one's self about the dark forces is one thing. Spend too much time there and it will eat you from the inside out. Besides, once you have identified the dark forces, then what?

I think it's better to leave the intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened and to do what you can to improve your local community in any way you see fit. Now, more than ever it is important to focus precious energy on the light.

P.S. Wanderers are not impervious to being claimed by the dark side. I speak from experience, as I've lost one of my star brothers to dark forces not so long ago. As you are most likely aware, it is one of the real dangers we face when volunteering for the mission. I wish you well on your journey.

No disrespect, but that is EXACTLY what the negative forces want. Disillusioned people wanting to shift their focus away from any evil deeds, leaving the "intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened" while they await someone else to save them.

No one is coming to save you, the Calvary is already here. And, if you consider yourself a wanderer, wouldn't that make you too, one of those intergalactic, battle hardened entities who has come back into a lower dimension to assist?

Not being rude, but this is exactly the kind of thought process that is keeping members of the New Age community in further bondage.

However, I agree with waking up others on a local level, which I focus on daily. At the same time, though, ignorance or refusal to believe of these negative forces will not cease their presence here.

And, in response to what do you do after you have explored the negative side of the coin...well I'm still working on that, myself, but I believe that knowledge is power, and by spreading knowledge (not just positive, wishful thinking) especially at the local level, we can achieve the 100th monkey effect and collectively find a way to regain our sovereignty.

Solutions regarding the evil forces is what we should focus on. They exist, they are very real, yes you can go deeeeeep into the rabbit hole and maybe get swallowed up. Let's discuss solutions. Those who are under the influences of the dark forces are real. Some unwittingly and some quite consciously. Within that group of humans is where the solution must come. How can we help them - that is what we need to discuss.

Some need help and some of us are good a helping others. At the same time some are better at kicking ass. There are plenty of us so there is plenty of diverse talent to go around. Realizing we have work to do and getting to it is a really good idea. Walking the walk would be wonderful if some productive a focused talk/ideas could make it through the noise of democracy.

As for the rabbit holes, we should use them as latrines.

[wynderer]

Billy Jack rules!


. No accident the song has been recently resurrected. We've lost our honor, our nobility, our courage and the ability to ride a horse. We have to 'love' the bad guys instead of kicking their asses. One suggest you watch the movie in it's entirety,(vid only shows ass kicking parts) but didn't come from a ptb movie studio. Very simple message about reclaiming the better parts of ourselves.

o5POi-T4Dlw

for those among us who don't remember what Billy Jack showed us.

(ladies you are excused to go change your underwear)








Guys, before we get hung up on these benevolent ETs (and yes I believe they exist) who have yet to show any tangible proof of their actions (aside from powering down nuclear facilities and the like...which Wilcock's moderator admitted negative ETs are also doing) and rely merely upon channeled information, take some time to familiarize yourselves with the various negative ETs/EDs who HAVE made their presence known, in a rather unwelcomed fashion, and immerse yourselves in some truth.

If you are anything like me, this thread created by Houman, and constantly being added to, will shake your current belief structure and you may find yourselves questioning everything you've believed with this new age movement.

http://http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

Also, as you will see within this thread Jean-Luc was kind enough to create a free PDF eBook with the majority of the content in an easy to read format.

Not being critical guys, we just need to focus on truth, now more than ever. And even though a lot of the stuff in this thread is hard to stomach, pretending it doesn't exist, or refusing to believe it exists is by far the worse thing you can do. Do your "homework" and you may find yourself, and your beliefs, shifting away from hopes of Ascension (as the idea of leaving this planet) and realize you don't want to go anywhere until we collectively clean up this mess...even if we weren't the perpetrators.

I would proceed down the path you are heading with extreme caution. To educate one's self about the dark forces is one thing. Spend too much time there and it will eat you from the inside out. Besides, once you have identified the dark forces, then what?

I think it's better to leave the intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened and to do what you can to improve your local community in any way you see fit. Now, more than ever it is important to focus precious energy on the light.

P.S. Wanderers are not impervious to being claimed by the dark side. I speak from experience, as I've lost one of my star brothers to dark forces not so long ago. As you are most likely aware, it is one of the real dangers we face when volunteering for the mission. I wish you well on your journey.

No disrespect, but that is EXACTLY what the negative forces want. Disillusioned people wanting to shift their focus away from any evil deeds, leaving the "intergalactic battles to those who are battle hardened" while they await someone else to save them.

No one is coming to save you, the Calvary is already here. And, if you consider yourself a wanderer, wouldn't that make you too, one of those intergalactic, battle hardened entities who has come back into a lower dimension to assist?

Not being rude, but this is exactly the kind of thought process that is keeping members of the New Age community in further bondage.

However, I agree with waking up others on a local level, which I focus on daily. At the same time, though, ignorance or refusal to believe of these negative forces will not cease their presence here.

And, in response to what do you do after you have explored the negative side of the coin...well I'm still working on that, myself, but I believe that knowledge is power, and by spreading knowledge (not just positive, wishful thinking) especially at the local level, we can achieve the 100th monkey effect and collectively find a way to regain our sovereignty.

Solutions regarding the evil forces is what we should focus on. They exist, they are very real, yes you can go deeeeeep into the rabbit hole and maybe get swallowed up. Let's discuss solutions. Those who are under the influences of the dark forces are real. Some unwittingly and some quite consciously. Within that group of humans is where the solution must come. How can we help them - that is what we need to discuss.

Some need help and some of us are good a helping others. At the same time some are better at kicking ass. There are plenty of us so there is plenty of diverse talent to go around. Realizing we have work to do and getting to it is a really good idea. Walking the walk would be wonderful if some productive a focused talk/ideas could make it through the noise of democracy.

As for the rabbit holes, we should use them as latrines.

[9eagle9]

lRnra0KRnDk

[OnyxKnight]

I need to use a really huge facepalm emote ...

grrr, why doesn't Avalon have one?

[StarDust]

The Universal Source is offering the Earth the freedom to ascend. There are over ten million off-Earth starseeds presently on this planet who are helping to make sure that this Earth and her people and her biology ascend along with this galaxy And this Universe. You may be one of these. We are moving forward and will not be stopped by miscreants.

Well stated rebuttal. With regard to our numbers, some estimates place our type at closer to 80-100,000,000. I believe that Source recognized the difficulties of awakening and stacked the deck with that in mind.

According the sources like "The RA Material", only 10% may have awoken to their true nature (not that being fully awake is requisite for anchoring light). Personally, I think that number is now higher as we approach galactic alignment. Either way, your assessment that "we are moving forward and will not be stopped by miscreants", is spot on!

BTW, I love your quotes in the signature area…very apropos.

[9eagle9]

Billy Jack kicked its passivistic, hide-its-face, little ass.


I need to use a really huge facepalm emote ...

grrr, why doesn't Avalon have one?

[Chester]

lRnra0KRnDk

strangely though... in a way... isn't Drake and his insiders a bunch of Billy Jacks if they actually go operational?

[9eagle9]

And if I take my clothes off I'm the June 2012 playmate of the month.


That's not really the Billy Jack point i was attempting to express though.

[Chester]

And if I take my clothes off I'm the June 2012 playmate of the month.


That's not really the Billy Jack point i was attempting to express though.

ok ok... point well taken (I do have an interesting visual though... quite complimentary too)