How many souls are currently incarnating on Earth?

[Timreh]

Is there an ever increasing or greater than anticipated callout for souls going out into the universe to incarnate on Earth during this time?

Would this be necessary in order to reach or maintain a collective consciousness that would see us through this difficult time to one of peace and love?
Are we already there, is our safe passage guaranteed?
Is there safety in numbers?

Assuming there are many different types of incarnations including 'Soul-Braids', Walk-Ins', Indigo's, Souls with a long history here on this earth, some from other planets, other places and many more.. (not forgetting Inelia and her mission)

16272

Something I was just pondering on this morning and was curious to know what everyone elses thoughts were on the number of souls incarnating.

[white wizard]

Is there an ever increasing or greater than anticipated callout for souls going out into the universe to incarnate on Earth during this time?

Would this be necessary in order to reach or maintain a collective consciousness that would see us through this difficult time to one of peace and love?
Are we already there, is our safe passage guaranteed?
Is there safety in numbers?

Assuming there are many different types of incarnations including 'Soul-Braids', Walk-Ins', Indigo's, Souls with a long history here on this earth, some from other planets, other places and many more.. (not forgetting Inelia and her mission)

16272

Something I was just pondering on this morning and was curious to know what everyone elses thoughts were on the number of souls incarnating.

I think the reason so many souls are choosing to incarnate know some

being long term residents here and others just coming to take a peak is

because we are in a period of transition. If look at things from a learning

perspective, then there is a great deal to be learned in experiencing a race

transition from light to dark.



Here is someone who has done research in this field.

T-igAtljJiY

[Rantaak]

Approximately ten percent of human bodies on this planet are occupied by "human" souls (or fallen angels who followed Lucifer during the fall). The other 90% are animal spirits incarnating in human bodies. The distribution is uneven, some areas have more simultaneous incarnates than others.

I think that's about 700 million out of 7 billion total.

[StarDust]

Approximately ten percent of human bodies on this planet are occupied by "human" souls (or fallen angels who followed Lucifer during the fall). The other 90% are animal spirits incarnating in human bodies. The distribution is uneven, some areas have more simultaneous incarnates than others.

I think that's about 700 million out of 7 billion total.

Out of curiosity, what is your source for the statistics you have provided in response?

The reason I ask is that acording to "The RA Material" there are currently between 80 -100 million wanderers, walk-ins, etc. So the math seems to be debatable not to mention that 2nd density beings (most animals) would be given a pass on 3rd density experience and jump straight into 4th density seems like a bit of a stretch, IMO.

[Wind]

Here is someone who has done research in this field.

T-igAtljJiY

There is something special about Dolores, her words comfort and heal the scars of my soul. Thanks to people like her I still know that there is hope left. The pain has been worth it...

[Hervé]

Here is a different take about the history of this planet. Of course, this history has been scoffed at, ridiculed, ignored, etc....

However, this history is derived from thousands of individuals reporting very similar accounts about the events summarized below.


Historical
Sector 9 history is of importance and interest to any sentient beings living in it. It helps explain why Earth has been shut off for so many millenia and only recently has become a candidate for re-admission to the Galactic Civilizations.

In fact, Earth has passed through several stages officially since being destroyed by atomic and hydrogen nuclear bombs and made radioactive 75 million years ago.

The inches-thick layer of dust produced by the catastrophe containing radioactive decay elements is well known by Geologists who find it in preserved rock strata, but who have no explanation for it other than "intensive volcanic activity about 70 million years ago". (Methods of use in geological dating are not as accurate as E-Meters yet.)

After the catastrophe, Earth was declared by the Galactic Confederation to be "OFF LIMITS" and a "RESTRICTED ZONE".

Over the millenia, official Galactic agencies such as the Biological Survey, the Planetary Survey, the Galactic Survey, and other Scientific and Administrative organizations have observed, tested, explored, and finally seeded the planet with new life forms. Most of these forms were transported from other planets in the Sector with similar environments. They finally survived here on Earth as a stable flora and fauna after the radioactivity levels died down to normal and mutation was not a big problem.

Although the continents "drifted" apart rather rapidly in the eons following the catastrophe and were no longer in the same relationship to each other, attempts were made to duplicate the conditions existing previously. Thus, in the southern half of Africa, which had been a wildlife park, we today find many strange and varied species such as Zebras, Giraffes, Hippos, Ibex, Elephants, etc., which obviously could not have all "evolved" there, as this extreme variety occurs nowhere else on the planet.

About a million years ago, it was deemed the correct time to put higher organism forms on Earth, so that the spiritual beings still trapped on the planet in varying degrees of shock and disorientation could find sentient bodies to occupy and begin the long, slow climb back to Civilization.

Since at the time of the catastrophe there were many representatives of other planetary races on Earth (it had been a beautiful tourist-vacation type planet with large jeweled cities supporting a population of billions), initial stocks of all body types were transported to Earth and became what we know today as the various "races of man".

After the rudiments of survival were established and group and political activity began - about 10,000 to 20,000 years ago - it become apparent that higher instruction was needed as the inhabitants were constantly dramatizing their aberrations and fears by wars, racial vendettas, and a general tendency to destroy all that had been so laboriously created to help them survive and prosper.

Civilized beings from various Galactic Organizations volunteered to do "missions" on Earth, take human bodies and teach. Philosophy, Art, Science and Religion received great impetus from these programs.

About 3500 years ago, an Honorary Grand Council Member and Galactic Patrol Commander of Sector 9, Elron Elray proposed a project to be done on Earth which would both bring it to a level of technological advancement and teach Mankind about his basic Spiritual Nature (Theta Endowment) so that he could develop a civilization capable and sane enough to be rejoined to the Galactic Community.

The first attempt at this was called on Earth - Buddhism, for which Elron Elray took the human form of Gautama Siddartha. It resulted in a civilizing influence still felt today in over one-half the world's population.

Through the centuries, many other 'missionaires' and volunteers helped spread civilization and technology against the reactive onslaught of warlike tribes and evil-intentioned leaders who took over and suppressed civilized groups.


The Markabian Gambit
About 250 years ago, the off-planet Markabians got into the act in a big way (there had been earlier attempts by them) by authorizing secretly (without Grand Council approval) a take-over project to get control of Earth and when it became acceptable in the Galactic Community, to have it annex itself to the Markabian system as the 8th major planet. Their clandestine agent, the infamous Xenu (see Sector Ethics Order 1A (http://www.freezone.de/english/cbr/sector9/e_sob20.htm) for details), took the body of Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the "Illuminati", a super-secret society which went about taking over other power groups by infiltration and economic coercion. The first big advance that was made was Xenu's take-over of a body in the Rothschild banking family so that after the War of 1812, the Illuminati became very wealthy and could in fact control many economic lines.

A succession of taking key power-point bodies into the 20th Century and expanding secret-society influence has resulted in the control of the groups listed in Sector Operations Bulletin No 18 (http://www.freezone.de/english/cbr/sector9/e_sob18.htm#groups).


In the last 50 years, 200,000 Markabian "junior executives" have been clandestinely immigrated to Earth (again without Grand Council approval) to assist Xenu and his conspirators in the planetary take-over. They have taken over bodies of the key "insiders" of high-finance, banking, politics, industry, and the "secret societies" previously mentioned. Markabians are recognizable by their spiritual "blackness" and their "black-beam" flows. Also a lust for status and control and for enforcing "conformity" on others are typical Markabian characteristics.


Markabians try to control or suppress the development of ideas which are necessary to fuel a civilization. By also tightly controlling and suppressing economics, energy sources, and food production and distribution they regulate (or attempt to) the survival of business, industry and human beings.


Markabians are very good record-keepers and use the control mechanisms of identity cards, secret files, computer files, and paperwork to keep full track of their subject people. Their "ideal" government is somewhere between the Russian "overt" police-state and the Swedish "covert" police-state. (If you don't conform, it suddenly gets very overt.)


Markabians don't think like Earth-people or Galactic missionaires. They have no concept of loyalty, honesty or justice, and will in fact fight viciously among themselves (out of sight of the public of course) for control and status.



Full article here:http://www.freezone.de/english/cbr/sector9/e_sob19.htm (http://www.freezone.de/english/cbr/sector9/e_sob19.htm)

On one hand, the above history may give one some inkling as to why Alex Collier's friends refer to Earth's population as "Genetic Royalties" or why "Charles/Atticus" would refer to the human species as an "experiment" or even why most humans are so easily triggered into fear and panic at the mere "IDEA" of a catastrophe.

On the other hand, it also lends a reference frame to unravel the confusion reigning on Earth as to who are these "controllers" and so-called "rulers" of the NWO: many different groups with different agendas are all lumped together as illuminati, reptilians, lizzies, ETs, EDs, parasites... all of 'em s*ck*rs!

[StarDust]

Amzer Zo,

I'm not familiar with that one. Intersting perspective, but seems to be either a very condensed version or missing a lot of parts. The Markabian perspective provides a view of seeding on the dark side.

The most definitive explanation I've read was "Pleiadian Perspectives on Human Evolution" by Amorah Quan Yin.

Synopsis: The Pleiadian Emissaries of Light provide this fascinating chronicle of human spiritual evolution from a galactic perspective. This wider history of our solar system restores the long-forgotten connection of humankind with Venus, Mars, Maldek, and Earth. The truth about our ancient past is uncovered, helping us to remember the experiences that have caused us to function dualistically, and guiding us toward karmic wholeness as unified and divine beings.

On-Line PDF: http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/20766076/1751608263/name/Pleiadian_Perspectives_on_Human_Evolution.pdf

For a very detailed explanation of who arrived when, where, and whether they were new souls or from elsewhere prior to their first earthly incarnation be sure to check out Appendix C in the back of the E-Book (last 5 pages).


Excerpt from Appendix C:

APPENDIX C

102,000 B.C. TO A.D. 1995

102,000 B.C. was the beginning of what you might call the Divine Plan for Earth. Up until that time, seeding for the Divine Plan and a hierarchical order in the fourth through, ninth dimensions had been established. The subconscious patternings for the future races and their own enlightenment triggers had developed as well. The new soul root races for the most part were still fairly primitive, but some were connecting with Pleiadian-based groups on Earth and the fairies and merpeople. These interactions were accelerating their growth in the areas of language development and quality of life, though they remained intellectually quite simple. Merpeople began to go through a metamorphosis and intermarry with the more evolved humans on Lemuria between 102,000 B.C. and 96,000 B.C. This created the roots of a mixed Pleiadian/Maldekian/Sirian prototype for genetic encoding and soul evolution.

At the onset the implementation of Earth’s Divine Plan, the orbital cycles around the central sun of the Pleiades, Alcyone, had stabilized to 26,000 years. Major Earth changes and a pole shift took place just prior to the changeover at 102,000 B.C., leaving the face of the planet dramatically changed. Some of the land masses that broke away from major continents literally became free floating, as a few were previously. (The map on the following pages shows the world at that time.) Though there have been many other planetary changes since that time, the maps for 145,500 B.C. and 102,000 B.C. are the ones Ra has channeled to me and asked me to present at this time. The soul groups and current races listed in the following chart will be shown in their approximate origin locations on the map. These will cover all major soul groups who arrived on Earth between 102,000 B.C. and modern times. Also included will be the surviving groups of people from pre-Divine Plan days shown in Appendix A. These latter surviving groups number 1 through 14. Under the column labeled “Earth or Cosmic Origin,” the Soul Group number from Appendix B will be given. A few of the original groups had no physical survivors at the time of the pole shift, but were reincarnated again in their original regions at a later time.

All others will be shown with the year the beings arrived on Earth. You will notice that the numbers do not add up to the current population of Earth. This is because our current population includes soul fragments, soul split-aparts, twin flames, parallel lives, and even non-souled beings. In addition, many of the souls on Earth at this time were created by humans on Earth and by higher dimensional beings in other star systems and galaxies. These souls tend to arrive one at a time, or at the most in very small groups of a dozen or less. The information given below refers only to souled beings upon arrival in human form on the planet in larger groups. All dates given are B.C.

There is one other group that has held a key role on the planet since the 102,000 B.C. turning point. This group is comprised of 144,000 Light Beings from the seventh through thirteenth dimensions. The number 144,000 is a key creation number and is the number of components of original consciousness. In other words, when the first conscious experience of God/Goddess/All That Is took place, it was as if that singular consciousness had been in “no mind” or dreamless sleep. Upon awaking, the first thought of this One consciousness was “I am” or “I exist,” and this was a great revelation. In a deep hypnosis state, I experienced this original self- consciousness revelation. When the One went to sleep again, it dreamed of itself and through dreaming created a second consciousness, which was the first experience of male and female. Within each consciousness lay 144,000 aspects, each aspect containing 144,000 smaller aspects. Therefore, the number 144,000 is the key to unlocking the human consciousness creation formula as well as eternal memory.

104,000 years ago, in order to ground the Divine Plan on Earth, 144,000 Light Beings from the seventh through thirteenth dimensions throughout several galaxies volunteered to create souls through which to embody. Each agreed to first precipitate third- dimensional bodies in Lemuria and teach the mystery schools there. These beings had the ability to accelerate and decelerate their vibrational frequencies at will, thus becoming physical and non-physical as required. Later, these beings served similarly in Machu Picchu, Maya, and Egypt. Working with the sacred principle of the four directions, four elementals, and planetary balance, the higher- dimensional intervention in four cultures seeded the secrets of enlightenment and ascension for all humans. These 144,000 beings also took on lifetimes of human karma in much the way Mother Mary, or Ma-Ra, did in Lemuria. After attaining enlightenment, each one dreamed, or visioned, his or her future lives, including the karmic patterns, traumas, diseases, and transcendent experiences, as well as their own timing of future enlightenments and ascensions. Each one entered the path of either four or seven cycles of evolution and enlightenment, as described by Ra in Part IV. Within those cycles their souls split into male and female halves in order to experience separation, and eventual resolution of duality. And in each one’s final lifetime on Earth and in their final enlightenment or ascension, both soul parts, or twin flames, would be reborn into one body. Male/female balance and the initiation of unio conjunctio, inner sacred marriage, must be attained. When the Ascended Master Jesus Christ came to Earth almost 2000 years ago, he embodied the 144,000 within One. This seemingly miraculous event was preplanned before the beginning of the Divine Plan for Earth. The second coming of Christ en masse is when 144,000 individuals are all awakened to their own Christ consciousness at the same time. They are the collective bride of Christ: the divine counterpart with whom he mates and births transcendence and enlightenment for the entire human race, planet Earth, and beyond. Through the orgasmic merging of Christ and the 144,000, a great cycle is completed. And that orgasm will be one for all of us to remember.

Woven within the tapestries of Venus, Mars, Maldek, and Earth histories are all the threads of hope, understanding, forgiveness, love, grace, wisdom, and transcendence needed to weave the new tapestry of the Age of Light. However, this tapestry will be woven collectively As I interweave the threads of my own nine-dimensional remembrance, and you interweave yours, and all the other awakening ones interweave theirs, we will have a glorious co-creation that is rich in all our colors, experiences, sounds, flavors, textures, and patterns. We are each whole and vital within ourselves and simultaneously interdependent. That is the beauty of the Divine Plan. It is an “all or nothing” plan. And we co-created it. We are finally nearing the completion point. Only total integrity, honoring of the sacredness and free will of all life, impeccability in daily living, and clearing of karmic patterns will work.

[Hervé]

Amzer Zo,

I'm not familiar with that one. Intersting perspective, but seems to be either a very condensed version or missing a lot of parts.

The most definitive explanation I've read was "Pleiadian Perspectives on Human Evolution" by Amorah Quan Yin.

[...]

Hi StarDust!

The difference between the account I posted and any other is that, as I wrote, it has been collected from 1000s of individual account of recall of their blood and guts experiences of these main events. Not from second-hand rewritten history from afar.

In other words, this reconstructed history -- of the major events relevant to what's currently occurring on this planet -- has been gathered from current, actual living, breathing human beings dwellers of Earth's surface; in pretty much the same way as genuine deprogrammers have unravelled -- undoing the booby traps along the way -- the procedures used in Satanic, MKultra, bloodlines or rogue mind control programmings (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485533&viewfull=1#post485533)).

For the above reasons, I am more inclined in beholding the data obtained in such a fashion over any other manners of data acquisition, especially the ones coming through channeled materials.

[StarDust]

Amzer Zo,

I'm not familiar with that one. Intersting perspective, but seems to be either a very condensed version or missing a lot of parts.

The most definitive explanation I've read was "Pleiadian Perspectives on Human Evolution" by Amorah Quan Yin.

[...]

Hi StarDust!

The difference between the account I posted and any other is that, as I wrote, it has been collected from 1000s of individual account of recall of their blood and guts experiences of these main events. Not from second-hand rewritten history from afar.

In other words, this reconstructed history -- of the major events relevant to what's currently occurring on this planet -- has been gathered from current, actual living, breathing human beings dwellers of Earth's surface; in pretty much the same way as genuine deprogrammers have unravelled -- undoing the booby traps along the way -- the procedures used in Satanic, MKultra, bloodlines or rogue mind control programmings (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=485533&viewfull=1#post485533)).

For the above reasons, I am more inclined in beholding the data obtained in such a fashion over any other manners of data acquisition, especially the ones coming through channeled materials.

The information you presented feels dark, IMO. That may be accounted for due to the methods by which the information was obtained. However, To each their own. Ultimately, both sides of the tale only accounts for interesting background info as a footnote to a much larger story. The true and accurate account is held within the Akashic Record which I am more than willing to hold out for.

Edit: OK, your link says it all. It's dark for a reason and I'll take the Pleiadian perspective over that thread any day of the week.

[apokalypse]

in recent Bob Dean interview with Kerry he pretty much confirm what Alex Collier have said, we as human beings on earth are so special because we have rich pool of genetics over 12 Genes of different race. for this reason many et's came to earth abducting human begins and their agenda is our Genetics. we all human beings but our soul might be different, some comes from different places and incarnate to earth for over thousand of years. we have heard many different et's create human race but really what they do is create the physicality not the soul, more likely they modify a primates to human beings so i wonder how many original human soul. i believe 1 Billion of soul from other civilization incarnate on earth...

[Hervé]

Edit: OK, your link says it all. It's dark for a reason and I'll take the Pleiadian perspective over that thread any day of the week.

Dark it is and your choice won't change the reality too many people are suffering through daily because of a denial of it.

[StarDust]

Edit: OK, your link says it all. It's dark for a reason and I'll take the Pleiadian perspective over that thread any day of the week.

Dark it is and your choice won't change the reality too many people are suffering through daily because of a denial of it.

LOL…"Denial"….that's a good one. It seems to be the common tactic these days for the dark side. I hate to break it to you, but that crap only works with weak minds. It's really funny actually since your dark empire has already lost!

Thank you for revealing your true nature & enjoy the rising vibratory frequency…it makes a lizard sizzle...:flame:

[Hervé]

*** qed ***

[StarDust]

*** qed ***

LOVE

Salamat Gajun, Salamat Ja!

[Airwooz]

I would't try to figure out the accurate number, since the whole theory were from channeling messagers...but I do believed many of us are non-terrestrial...

[Timreh]

Some interesting views there guys, we all have different opinions!

Incarnating souls aside for a sec.. how many might be helping out from behind the scenes?
Our graduation must be a major event being watched by an innumerable amount of souls!
Those who agree to come here would obviously be highly respected


16281
If we introduce Timelines/Parallel Worlds things get real interesting?
Me, I don't know how many souls are incarnating and I don't need to know but I enjoy thinking about it!

[kcbc2010]

Another way to look at the problem is to think about the fact that so many souls stay on the Earth plane that really should be going home. We all have a mission to fulfill and even when some spirits have fulfilled it, they'd rather stay here instead of going where they need to go to either heal or go back to the Source. I don't think it's about quantity, but quality. We have a lot of "souls" here, but look at how messed up everything is.

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

That´s a hard question.

If you believe reincarnation, since the population is always growing, it´s impossible that all souls here are actually reincarnated.

So, some souls might be brand new, others (the huge minority) might be originally Earthly souls, others might come from other places and others might come from different Earthly animals.

The fact is, that there´s no way to calculate that.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Peace of Mind]

How can anyone know the answer to such a question? Furthermore….have the expertise put these souls into groups…

For now, let’s just say I follow these beliefs….

Just from observation alone, I would suggest that most of the incarnated souls here are very young and/or first timers…. simply because of the state of the world we are currently living in. Isn’t it logical that re-visitors would be more aware and pro-active? They would know that there’s a lack of time and came back primed and eager to get to work….but obviously this is not the case, right?

Newbie’s are known for sitting around waiting and watching, sometimes they turn into delusional procrastinators whom have yet to discover their inner strengths or being. Like kids…they love fairy tales, they pretend a lot…they make believe everything is OK and they make believe something will come along and rescue them from themselves…

The incarnation/re-incarnation theories remain inconclusive because dead folks tell no tales, but if it is true…why would anyone want to come back just to be aware of the suffering and do little to rid it…what’s the point?

Peace

[StarDust]

[QUOTE]How can anyone know the answer to such a question? Furthermore….have the expertise put these souls into groups…

Your assumption is that there are no beings within the higher planes of existence that are responsible for such matters. That is a bold assertion within an infinitely intelligent universe.


Just from observation alone, I would suggest that most of the incarnated souls here are very young and/or first timers…. simply because of the state of the world we are currently living in. Isn’t it logical that re-visitors would be more aware and pro-active? They would know that there’s a lack of time and came back primed and eager to get to work….but obviously this is not the case, right?


Your observation is incorrect. According to The RA Material, all incarnating souls participate/accept the "veil of forgetting". Regardless of how advanced the should was prior to incarnation, each person enters into the incarnational cycle with a proverbial Tabula Rosa (blank slate). This provides the function of leveling the playing field for each soul to progress at their own rate without some soles having a distinct advantage. While this can be very fair for some, it can also be a danger for others who can easily forget their intended mission and become trapped within karmic cycles or swayed by dark forces.

You can read more about it here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=veil+of+forgetting&sc=1&st=any

Excerpt from Law of ONE with regard to the 'veil of forgetting':

Questioner: Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvested did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?

Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third density than for third/fourth density.

Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

The new fourth-density entities which are becoming able to demonstrate various newer abilities are doing so as a result of the present experience, not as a result of memory. There are always a few exceptions, and we ask your forgiveness for constant barrages of over-generalization.

Category: Wanderers



Newbie’s are known for sitting around waiting and watching, sometimes they turn into delusional procrastinators whom have yet to discover their inner strengths or being. Like kids…they love fairy tales, they pretend a lot…they make believe everything is OK and they make believe something will come along and rescue them from themselves…

Are you advanced enough to make that assessment, or is this a casual observation based on a reflection of self?


The incarnation/re-incarnation theories remain inconclusive because dead folks tell no tales, but if it is true…why would anyone want to come back just to be aware of the suffering and do little to rid it…what’s the point?

Incarnation/reincarnation within the lower Densities is to provide the soul with experience within the lower frequencies. Often times, these experiences are not available within the upper Densities and/or the experiences can be expedited here. Every experience a soul encounters was agreed upon prior to the incarnational cycle for the aforementioned reasons. In the case of Wanderers, we are here to serve Gaia and her people during this time of change. The potential dangers of suffering and forgetting one's path are real. In this sense we are willing to potentially sacrifice a great deal to aide the expansion of consciousness.

[Peace of Mind]

“Your assumption is that there are no beings within the higher planes of existence that are responsible for such matters. That is a bold assertion within an infinitely intelligent universe.”

I just want to know how others come to this realization. To some degree, I may consider that there is a possibility we all have come here to learn lessons through the experiences of life… but how, or who can prove this? I don’t really follow channeled messages or any message that doesn’t come with some physical form of evidence. It’s going to take more than listening to strangers telling invigorating tales…I’ve heard/read some of the most interesting stories in my lifetime…and many of them came by way of movie scripts and sci-fi novels. I’m used to hearing/reading all kinds of fables.

“Your observation is incorrect. According to The RA Material, all incarnating souls participate/accept the "veil of forgetting". Regardless of how advanced the should was prior to incarnation, each person enters into the incarnational cycle with a proverbial Tabula Rosa (blank slate). This provides the function of leveling the playing field for each soul to progress at their own rate without some soles having a distinct advantage. While this can be very fair for some, it can also be a danger for others who can easily forget their intended mission and become trapped within karmic cycles or swayed by dark forces.”

You seem to be very sure of this, why? As interesting as “The RA Material may be” it’s still unconfirmed material. Almost anyone can write a story that sounds believable to the reader…but can they materialize it? I always use great caution when explaining ideologies, when giving my account of certain events, when sharing anything that will require something logical to grasp on to.....especially when it comes from such a source...or somewhere that can’t be confirmed.

I’m a realist to the core. I’m hands on... I deal with facts, and everything that can be proven, measured, physically dissected and put back together with every piece accounted for. If all that can be offered is hear say without something of substance to go along with it...I turn it away. Society has suffered greatly because of blind trust. I operate differently than most....and this is probably the reason why I’m able to avoid the suffering so many seem to be going through.

“Are you advanced enough to make that assessment, or is this a casual observation based on a reflection of self?”

I am who I am...this really has nothing to do with advancement... just common sense. If someone is going to tell me something exists then they should be able to prove this... How is reciting something they read or heard from elsewhere going to convince me either way? I’m not into rumors or anything that can’t be authenticated ...as the truth doesn’t need to be proven...it’s always there...most of the time it’s just covered in crud/lies. Struggling to prove anything is most likely a lie, the truth wants to be seen...it’s accurate, it’s in your face, it may be tarnished a bit...but still it’s waiting for you to recognize it beneath the smudges, just polish it... Let the truth shine thru...

“Incarnation/reincarnation within the lower Densities is to provide the soul with experience within the lower frequencies. Often times, these experiences are not available within the upper Densities and/or the experiences can be expedited here. Every experience a soul encounters was agreed upon prior to the incarnational cycle for the aforementioned reasons. In the case of Wanderers, we are here to serve Gaia and her people during this time of change. The potential dangers of suffering and forgetting one's path are real. In this sense we are willing to potentially sacrifice a great deal to aide the expansion of consciousness.”

I can agree with this somewhat, simply because the Human being is a brilliant specimen, But still inconclusive...even if i do give some credense to it. However, I do feel everything we do here is a test of the soul because life is way too short for a creature so magnificent. The free will determines how the soul grows…What we do and what we don’t do is a Hugh part of the test. What happens after the human body dies no one knows…other than the dead. Until then, why should I waste time speculating? It's doing nothing but wasting time and potential.This secret will be revealed to all in due time…as of now…I’ll just live life in fairness and do what needs to be done. And what needs to be done is everyone understanding that life is the way it is because we put too much faith in everything except for ourselves. When we start living in the now and doing for each other, now (instead of watching the skies) we are in service to each other and uplifting each other, being who we are. How is sitting around wasting time talking about the unproven benificial? I doubt we have incarnated here for this...

Peace

[StarDust]

“Your assumption is that there are no beings within the higher planes of existence that are responsible for such matters. That is a bold assertion within an infinitely intelligent universe.”

I just want to know how others come to this realization. To some degree, I may consider that there is a possibility we all have come here to learn lessons through the experiences of life… but how, or who can prove this? I don’t really follow channeled messages or any message that doesn’t come with some physical form of evidence. It’s going to take more than listening to strangers telling invigorating tales…I’ve heard/read some of the most interesting stories in my lifetime…and many of them came by way of movie scripts and sci-fi novels. I’m used to hearing/reading all kinds of fables.

It is good to hear that you are willing to consider the possibilities. That is the first step to rediscovering your intuitive nature as a divine being. Providing physical proof is indeed difficult. You don't have to believe anything you do not wish to, that is the beauty of free will of choice.

As for myself, I arrived at the "realization" based on my experience within the higher realms prior to accepting the call to assist Gaia in service to other. I started to remember what I am as a child; although full realization didn't come until I was an adult and old enough to start seeking answers. I don't expect you to take my word for anything, nor am I here to prove anything to you. You are welcome to ponder this modality until you find the answers you are looking for.


“Your observation is incorrect. According to The RA Material, all incarnating souls participate/accept the "veil of forgetting". Regardless of how advanced the should was prior to incarnation, each person enters into the incarnational cycle with a proverbial Tabula Rosa (blank slate). This provides the function of leveling the playing field for each soul to progress at their own rate without some soles having a distinct advantage. While this can be very fair for some, it can also be a danger for others who can easily forget their intended mission and become trapped within karmic cycles or swayed by dark forces.”

You seem to be very sure of this, why? As interesting as “The RA Material may be” it’s still unconfirmed material. Almost anyone can write a story that sounds believable to the reader…but can they materialize it? I always use great caution when explaining ideologies, when giving my account of certain events, when sharing anything that will require something logical to grasp on to.....especially when it comes from such a source...or somewhere that can’t be confirmed.

I am very confident of this systems analysis due to the fact that I am a Wanderer and this truth has been revealed to me from within. I am able to use discernment and my own intuitive channeling to validate truth. These are skills I held in abundance prior to this incarnation. Once a truth has been revealed, there is a resonance that emanates from my heart chakra out into infinity. Thus, I no longer need to give away my power of discernment to another to 'validate' truth. That validation comes from my higher self and intelligent infinity.

As far as "The RA Material" is concerned, it has been picked apart by every imaginable group including black ops & psy ops groups for over 30 years and no one has ever been able to disprove what is contained within. It is widely regarded as the real deal. Read if for yourself before you draw upon the unconfirmed conclusions from others.

It is available for FREE here: http://www.lawofone.info/

And a quick study guide here: http://www.spiritofra.com/Ra-section%201.htm


I’m a realist to the core. I’m hands on... I deal with facts, and everything that can be proven, measured, physically dissected and put back together with every piece accounted for. If all that can be offered is hear say without something of substance to go along with it...I turn it away. Society has suffered greatly because of blind trust. I operate differently than most....and this is probably the reason why I’m able to avoid the suffering so many seem to be going through.

There is nothing wrong with your approach. There are no absolute right path, just as there is no wrong path. There is only the path that is right for you. If you require hard and/or empirical evidence that such modalities exist, then you will likely receive them in due time. That may be a very long time, but it will be revealed to you none-the-less.


“Are you advanced enough to make that assessment, or is this a casual observation based on a reflection of self?”

I am who I am...this really has nothing to do with advancement... just common sense. If someone is going to tell me something exists then they should be able to prove this... How is reciting something they read or heard from elsewhere going to convince me either way? I’m not into rumors or anything that can’t be authenticated ...as the truth doesn’t need to be proven...it’s always there...most of the time it’s just covered in crud/lies. Struggling to prove anything is most likely a lie, the truth wants to be seen...it’s accurate, it’s in your face, it may be tarnished a bit...but still it’s waiting for you to recognize it beneath the smudges, just polish it... Let the truth shine thru...

What is common sense? It is a shared perception based on those who maintain a shared reality. If you are not willing to seek the answers from within, then it will be very difficult to find the answers externally. You are a divine being, but only if you are willing to perceive yourself as such.

You are correct, "who" you are is irrelevant outside of this singular experience within your 3rd Density bio-body suit. However, it appears that you have yet to ask yourself what you are. Once you do, a whole universe of information will become available to you. Don't take my word for it as I have nothing to prove to you; but I challenge you to seek for yourself and find out if what I am saying is true. I think that you'll be amazed at the answers that source provides to you in the process.


“Incarnation/reincarnation within the lower Densities is to provide the soul with experience within the lower frequencies. Often times, these experiences are not available within the upper Densities and/or the experiences can be expedited here. Every experience a soul encounters was agreed upon prior to the incarnational cycle for the aforementioned reasons. In the case of Wanderers, we are here to serve Gaia and her people during this time of change. The potential dangers of suffering and forgetting one's path are real. In this sense we are willing to potentially sacrifice a great deal to aide the expansion of consciousness.”

I can agree with this somewhat, simply because the Human being is a brilliant specimen, But still inconclusive...even if i do give some credense to it. However, I do feel everything we do here is a test of the soul because life is way too short for a creature so magnificent. The free will determines how the soul grows…What we do and what we don’t do is a Hugh part of the test. What happens after the human body dies no one knows…other than the dead. Until then, why should I waste time speculating? It's doing nothing but wasting time and potential.This secret will be revealed to all in due time…as of now…I’ll just live life in fairness and do what needs to be done. And what needs to be done is everyone understanding that life is the way it is because we put too much faith in everything except for ourselves. When we start living in the now and doing for each other, now (instead of watching the skies) we are in service to each other and uplifting each other, being who we are. How is sitting around wasting time talking about the unproven benificial? I doubt we have incarnated here for this...

If you feel that discovery of self as a divine being is a waste of your time, then who am I to argue with you. I don't sense that you actually feel that way, but you are welcome to follow that path if it suits you. You are correct, all will be revealed to you in your own time and not a moment sooner. In the interim, you can never go wrong by being service to other. It is never a waste of your time.

One more thing to consider. There is nothing I have spoken about within this dialogue that you are not fully capable of yourself. Whether or not you are willing to re-discover your gifts is a question that only you can answer. If the answer is affirmative, it will lead to a path of discovery. Don't expect anyone or anything to plant them in your lap. It doesn't work that way;)

Salamat Gajun! Salamat Ja!

P.S. I like your quote within your signature. Yes, imagine the possibilities!

[Peace of Mind]

"It is good to hear that you are willing to consider the possibilities. That is the first step to rediscovering your intuitive nature as a divine being. Providing physical proof is indeed difficult. You don't have to believe anything you do not wish to, that is the beauty of free will of choice.

As for myself, I arrived at the "realization" based on my experience within the higher realms prior to accepting the call to assist Gaia in service to other. I started to remember what I am as a child; although full realization didn't come until I was an adult and old enough to start seeking answers. I don't expect you to take my word for anything, nor am I here to prove anything to you. You are welcome to ponder this modality until you find the answers you are looking for."

I’ve been deeply involved with the metaphysical for many many years. The bulk of your post is basically what I’ve been posting since I’ve been on this forum. If you dare/care you can review some of my post history and see the resemblance and how I've also expanded on what you wrote.

I considered your previous post because at times I feel one of the reasons I’m here is to detect and expose fraudulence. I know why I’m here in this realm. I’m here to do my part in uplifting the people…as well as myself. I’m here to assist in spotting the deceivers because they are a hindrance to humanity; I’m here to bring awareness as well as expanding my own consciousness. If there is something I see that seems flakey…I ask for explanations…if it (whatever the topic at hand is) cannot be thoroughly explained…then that subject is most likely a lie. I’m here to protect and serve, I’m here to do what’s necessary for self and others by being pro-active and doing what I can to get others to be pro-active too.

I know I didn’t come here to talk the talk without walking the walk. I’m not here to talk about E.T’s because there is a hugh possibility they don’t exist (my reasons explained in another topic). I refuse to waste precious time speculating their existence…Why should I? There are more important issues at hand that we all need to be focusing on. When E.T. is ready to come here and/or reveal themselves to the masses… then that’s the obvious and rightful time to deal with them, right? As of now E.T. (and E.D.) is a Hugh and possibly deliberate distraction, I’ve long for the day for at least one person to prove me wrong. I’m well aware of the many sciences concerning the cosmos and I’ve poked holes in many theories and asked many questions here that have yet to be answered. So, this is my clue to just how important such topics are in these times...just wish others who claim to be awaken would see it too....

“I am very confident of this systems analysis due to the fact that I am a Wanderer and this truth has been revealed to me from within. I am able to use discernment and my own intuitive channeling to validate truth. These are skills I held in abundance prior to this incarnation. Once a truth has been revealed, there is a resonance that emanates from my heart chakra out into infinity. Thus, I no longer need to give away my power of discernment to another to 'validate' truth. That validation comes from my higher self and intelligent infinity.

As far as "The RA Material" is concerned, it has been picked apart by every imaginable group including black ops & psy ops groups for over 30 years and no one has ever been able to disprove what is contained within. It is widely regarded as the real deal. Read if for yourself before you draw upon the unconfirmed conclusions from others.”

I’ve read the RA Material already and I’m also confident in my discernment. In fact, my discernment always tells me to seek proof and be highly skeptical of those finding clever ways to withdraw/withhold evidence from their claims. Lately my B.S. detector has been ringing very loud. What I’m starting to see is a pattern. Whenever someone is asked to prove their claims, they always state something like “it resonates with me so it must be real”. Well, A jolt of electricity will resonate with you too (and maybe kill you) but we still don’t know exactly what electricity really is...other than pure energy. Another thing some people will do when making claims they can’t prove...is say things like “when the time is right you too will know”. IMHO, this is just another clever way to back out of proving something that they never could prove in the first place, they just don’t want to be seen as gullible but they do want to put all of their faith in to something they want whole heartily to be real....so they blindly go all in.

Whenever I asked for details on these sought of topics I always get similar replies...never proof. This is why I’m here...to help those newbies to recognize the distractions and deceptions, help them to leave these sought of useless topics alone so we can start linking up with real human beings that are actually waiting for us to assist them in cleaning up our mess. I didn’t come here to be a keyboard warrior hiding behind a monitor, nor a salesman. I’m here looking for those who are actually willing to do their parts...not sit around pretending to be something they’re clearly not....but want to be...

"There is nothing wrong with your approach. There are no absolute right path, just as there is no wrong path. There is only the path that is right for you. If you require hard and/or empirical evidence that such modalities exist, then you will likely receive them in due time. That may be a very long time, but it will be revealed to you none-the-less."

I require hard/empirical evidence because we (humans) are facing dire circumstances because we DON'T require hard/empirical evidence often enough…

Too much blind leaps of faith has left many (who can’t think for themselves, yet) splatter on the grounds below. I’m not really a waiter; I’m more of a doer…so in the mean time I only focus on the issues that have been already proven. What kind of person waits when there is clearly something he/she can be doing in the period in-between? As stated before… if the evidence doesn’t exist… then how can it be real? If it's real, show it so we can all know it...then move forward accordingly. Way too much time is being wasted on pure speculation...

“What is common sense? It is a shared perception based on those who maintain a shared reality. If you are not willing to seek the answers from within, then it will be very difficult to find the answers externally. You are a divine being, but only if you are willing to perceive yourself as such.

You are correct, "who" you are is irrelevant outside of this singular experience within your 3rd Density bio-body suit. However, it appears that you have yet to ask yourself what you are. Once you do, a whole universe of information will become available to you. Don't take my word for it as I have nothing to prove to you; but I challenge you to seek for yourself and find out if what I am saying is true. I think that you'll be amazed at the answers that source provides to you in the process.”

“If you feel that discovery of self as a divine being is a waste of your time, then who am I to argue with you. I don't sense that you actually feel that way, but you are welcome to follow that path if it suits you. You are correct, all will be revealed to you in your own time and not a moment sooner. In the interim, you can never go wrong by being service to other. It is never a waste of your time.

One more thing to consider. There is nothing I have spoken about within this dialogue that you are not fully capable of yourself. Whether or not you are willing to re-discover your gifts is a question that only you can answer. If the answer is affirmative, it will lead to a path of discovery. Don't expect anyone or anything to plant them in your lap. It doesn't work that way ”

I know exactly who and what I’ am. Because of this…I rarely waste time. I know exactly what I’m here to do. In fact I’m here at this forum to expose lies, relate to like minds, and demonstrate what we as a species can do and how easily we are distracted with trivial and unconfirmed discussions….while the world suffers around us. Do you know who you are and what you’re here for? I hope it’s not to waste time here explaining something that you can’t really seem to explain…

I'm not sure if you really get why I posted in this thread in the first place, or realize that I’m already in acknowledgement of self....hopefully this post will bring more clarification. I do appreciate the time you giving to respond to me, and I wish you to continue on a positive, pro-active and productive journey. Thanks...

Peace

[StarDust]

I’ve been deeply involved with the metaphysical for many many years. The bulk of your post is basically what I’ve been posting since I’ve been on this forum.

Then there is little I've said that is new to you and consequently very little I can share with you to expand your understanding of systems.


I considered your previous post because at times I feel one of the reasons I’m here is to detect and expose fraudulence. I know why I’m here in this realm. I’m here to do my part in uplifting the people…as well as myself. I’m here to assist in spotting the deceivers because they are a hindrance to humanity; I’m here to bring awareness as well as expanding my own consciousness. If there is something I see that seems flakey…I ask for explanations…if it (whatever the topic at hand is) cannot be thoroughly explained…then that subject is most likely a lie. I’m here to protect and serve, I’m here to do what’s necessary for self and others by being pro-active and doing what I can to get others to be pro-active too.

I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as a "metaphysical cop".;) But OK, your path is as valid as an other.


I’m not here to talk about E.T’s because there is a hugh possibility they don’t exist (my reasons explained in another topic). I refuse to waste precious time speculating their existence…Why should I?

That is a completely valid truth for you. As for myself, I have all the proof I need each time I look in the mirror; although technically I'm an ED in a 3rd Density bio-body suit;o) "ET/EDs" take many shapes forms & sizes. I'm living proof. I feel that an understanding of ET/ED life forms are important because it represents the missing piece of the puzzle to humanities introduction as galactic citizens. I also find ET/EDs far more fascinating than human life on earth.

The primary aspect of 3rd Density human existence that is difficult for me to deal with is the cognitive dissonance that occurs in abundance here. That simply does not exist where I originate from since we function within a voluntary social memory complex (similar to the RA social memory complex). Thus, the cognitive dissonance experienced here is as "alien" to me as ETs are to you. But that's just me:o


I’ve read the RA Material already and I’m also confident in my discernment. In fact, my discernment always tells me to seek proof and be highly skeptical of those finding clever ways to withdraw/withhold evidence from their claims. Lately my B.S. detector has been ringing very loud. What I’m starting to see is a pattern. Whenever someone is asked to prove their claims, they always state something like “it resonates with me so it must be real”. Well, A jolt of electricity will resonate with you too (and maybe kill you) but we still don’t know exactly what electricity really is...other than pure energy. Another thing some people will do when making claims they can’t prove...is say things like “when the time is right you too will know”. IMHO, this is just another clever way to back out of proving something that they never could prove in the first place, they just don’t want to be seen as gullible but they do want to put all of their faith in to something they want whole heartily to be real....so they blindly go all in.

Whenever I asked for details on these sought of topics I always get similar replies...never proof. This is why I’m here...to help those newbies to recognize the distractions and deceptions, help them to leave these sought of useless topics alone so we can start linking up with real human beings that are actually waiting for us to assist them in cleaning up our mess. I didn’t come here to be a keyboard warrior hiding behind a monitor, nor a salesman. I’m here looking for those who are actually willing to do their parts...not sit around pretending to be something they’re clearly not....but want to be...

Being a skeptic is a valid choice. If you are seeking hard proof from me, you won't find any. I'm not here to provide you or any other with "evidence"; only to illuminate systems to the seeker.


I require hard/empirical evidence because we (humans) are facing dire circumstances because we DON'T require hard/empirical evidence often enough…

That is a perception that is shared by many.


I’m not really a waiter; I’m more of a doer…so in the mean time I only focus on the issues that have been already proven. What kind of person waits when there is clearly something he/she can be doing in the period in-between? As stated before… if the evidence doesn’t exist… then how can it be real? If it's real, show it so we can all know it...then move forward accordingly. Way too much time is being wasted on pure speculation...

Best of luck in your search. However, by only focusing on things that have been "proven" by rational minds you are missing half of the equation.

As Albert Einstein once wrote, “The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”

If only looking at half the picture is what you require, then that is a valid choice. I think it will take a very long time to reach the conclusions you seek, but again that is your choice as well as your path.


I know exactly who and what I’ am. Because of this…I rarely waste time. I know exactly what I’m here to do. In fact I’m here at this forum to expose lies, relate to like minds, and demonstrate what we as a species can do and how easily we are distracted with trivial and unconfirmed discussions….while the world suffers around us.

Good, I'm glad you are aware of what you are. Best of luck exposing the bad guys.


Do you know who you are and what you’re here for?

I know precisely where I'm from, why I'm here, and what my purpose is. I have fully awakened and my "marching orders" for my primary, secondary and tertiary missions are fully understood. The first and second are fully activated and I am awaiting proper conditions to activate the third.


I hope it’s not to waste time here explaining something that you can’t really seem to explain…

I don't consider this a waste of time and I have no such requirements to explain anything. That, apparently, is your role and not mine. What I am willing to do is to share is my perspective on a process that has been successful for me. That is all.


I'm not sure if you really get why I posted in this thread in the first place, or realize that I’m already in acknowledgement of self....hopefully this post will bring more clarification. I do appreciate the time you giving to respond to me, and I wish you to continue on a positive, pro-active and productive journey. Thanks...

Thank you for sharing your perspective. You are very welcome and I wish you well on your journey.

Kind regards,
SD

[Rantaak]

Approximately ten percent of human bodies on this planet are occupied by "human" souls (or fallen angels who followed Lucifer during the fall). The other 90% are animal spirits incarnating in human bodies. The distribution is uneven, some areas have more simultaneous incarnates than others.

I think that's about 700 million out of 7 billion total.

Out of curiosity, what is your source for the statistics you have provided in response?

The reason I ask is that acording to "The RA Material" there are currently between 80 -100 million wanderers, walk-ins, etc. So the math seems to be debatable not to mention that 2nd density beings (most animals) would be given a pass on 3rd density experience and jump straight into 4th density seems like a bit of a stretch, IMO.

Thanks for your curiosity :-)

I do not take statistics from the writings of other people. Nor do I take belief from what I see and am told. I simply share what I know.

The honest truth is that these numbers aren't relevant. Numbers never have been (I say that as someone who has devoted a considerable amount of energy educating and practicing within the fields of mathematics, physics, formal logic, information theory, etc)...

[Carmody]

Edit: OK, your link says it all. It's dark for a reason and I'll take the Pleiadian perspective over that thread any day of the week.

Dark it is and your choice won't change the reality too many people are suffering through daily because of a denial of it.


Stardust:

Telling people that wars are over and that they can all go home now and bask in the glow of their 55" LCD flatscreen TV's is an INCREDIBLY foolish thing to be doing. (I state it that way, as to the casual observer, that is what you are saying)

Saying things like that is one of the most common tactics used in the past 12,000 years of war, within the game of psychology as applied to war. In this case, when you come here and mention that sort of thing, you are working for the dark side, either intentionally or in a state of confusion.

A better thing to do, is to tell them that you personally think it's over but then encourage them to never stop swinging until they personally see it end, themselves, in their lives and directly within their reality.


And that is just about the kindest thing I can say about your message in this thread. Seriously. (regarding this specific aspect of 'war is already won')

[Hervé]

Edit: OK, your link says it all. It's dark for a reason and I'll take the Pleiadian perspective over that thread any day of the week.

Dark it is and your choice won't change the reality too many people are suffering through daily because of a denial of it.


Stardust:

Telling people that wars are over and that they can all go home now and bask in the glow of their 55" LCD flatscreen TV's is an INCREDIBLY foolish thing to be doing. (I state it that way, as to the casual observer, that is what you are saying)

Saying things like that is one of the most common tactics used in the past 12,000 years of war, within the game of psychology as applied to war. In this case, when you come here and mention that sort of thing, you are working for the dark side, either intentionally or in a state of confusion.

A better thing to do, is to tell them that you personally think it's over but then encourage them to never stop swinging until they personally see it end, themselves, in their lives and directly within their reality.


And that is just about the kindest thing I can say about your message in this thread. Seriously. (regarding this specific aspect of 'war is already won')

Thanks Carmody, I guess that the "QED" went way past over StarDust's head...

[Peace of Mind]

Oh, I didn’t realize you responded, stardust...

I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as a "metaphysical cop". But OK, your path is as valid as an other.

That’s an Interesting statement... and a very telling one. I can’t thank you enough for saying this.

“That is a completely valid truth for you. As for myself, I have all the proof I need each time I look in the mirror; although technically I'm an ED in a 3rd Density bio-body suit;o) "ET/EDs" take many shapes forms & sizes. I'm living proof. I feel that an understanding of ET/ED life forms are important because it represents the missing piece of the puzzle to humanities introduction as galactic citizens. I also find ET/EDs far more fascinating than human life on earth.

The primary aspect of 3rd Density human existence that is difficult for me to deal with is the cognitive dissonance that occurs in abundance here. That simply does not exist where I originate from since we function within a voluntary social memory complex (similar to the RA social memory complex). Thus, the cognitive dissonance experienced here is as "alien" to me as ETs are to you. But that's just me”

If the “understanding” of E.T. is a very important part to humanity...how so? What could be more important (in these times) than to talk about the matters that we all know exist? It seems to me that there’s a presence here looking to distract us. If E.T. isn’t here to help they must be here to make matters worse as they keep running interference with material that does nothing but confuse and idle the people. The cognitive dissonance is due in part to the many people making claims of things they cannot explain. When a world is governed by secrets...what do you expect? Too many secrets lead to trust issues. These Issues were originally made by those seeking to convince and control the unaware with indefinable information. So, now we know and admit who’s at fault here.

To be clear...for various reasons I would believe E.D’s exist before believing E.T. exist. I have a few scientific questions I’m prepared to ask you about the cosmos...since no one else here were able to answer them. If you like you can gain a heads up by reviewing some of my post history concerning Space/time, dark matter and dark energy. I’m sure since you’re from another place (outside of Earth) you’re be able to answer them with little to no problem...

"Being a skeptic is a valid choice. If you are seeking hard proof from me, you won't find any. I'm not here to provide you or any other with "evidence"; only to illuminate systems to the seeker.”

How do you effectively illuminate to the “seekers” without providing something else other than just “Words”? Only the gullible and weak minded choose to follow such info/people without some sought of evidence to grasp/understand/something to share with others who may also be interested. When illuminating you shine a light on what can’t be seen...how do you do this without revealing what the light is shining on?

“Best of luck in your search. However, by only focusing on things that have been "proven" by rational minds you are missing half of the equation.

As Albert Einstein once wrote, “The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”

If only looking at half the picture is what you require, then that is a valid choice. I think it will take a very long time to reach the conclusions you seek, but again that is your choice as well as your path."

Hmmm...I thought you would know that there is no such thing as luck…
Without the rationale… you are liable to fall for anything. In perspective…this can also be seen as a gift, defenses/ our B.S. detector…one of the most feared weapons humanity has at its disposal. Anyone wanting someone else to believe in them without logical cross examination is a con. I could never put someone in that situation, I have too much love and respect for people to do such a thing. As I stated before…We all suffer because we believe in those that tell lies, story tellers don’t materialize…they want others to believe their fiction in hopes of using the intentional power of the “duped” to manifest these belief systems…like witnessing sci-fy flicks…using others to open a gateway/portal…as the fiction vampire needs the “duped” to trick him/herself in order to let the deceiver into their home/lives.

My point is…If you know something and speak freely about it amongst people that don’t know about it…shouldn’t you be able to prove it…or have the decency to make the attempts? The difference between malevolent and benevolent intities can easily be seen through their discretion...at least for me it is.

I like thinking outside of the box but I’m also well aware of the boundaries of this reality. If I wasn’t aware… then I would be lost in finding my way back…like so many others have after being blindly lead a stray. Just look around, surely you can see the results for yourself.

“Good, I'm glad you are aware of what you are. Best of luck exposing the bad guys.”

As before, no luck is required. Actually, this is getting way to easy...as the bad guys often expose themselves, thanks.

I know precisely where I'm from, why I'm here, and what my purpose is. I have fully awakened and my "marching orders" for my primary, secondary and tertiary missions are fully understood. The first and second are fully activated and I am awaiting proper conditions to activate the third."

This is interesting…care to share or is this top secret? If this is top secret…should humans (Earth inhabitants) be aware and/or concern of this…at least for security reasons? Or are we suppose to just take your word for it…like we do with our elected officials? See where that’s gotten us…
So you’re just basically hanging around a forum waiting for the right conditions? I don’t know what kind of conditions you seek but I see a world full of people suffering, lied to, manipulated, confused and disempowered…all waiting for a savior and/ or disclosure…while you and others who claim to be ET/ED watch and remain cryptic. This is a hugh problem for humanity that I feel I was brought here (along with others) to point out. Yes, I know precisely why I’m here too.

"I don't consider this a waste of time and I have no such requirements to explain anything. That, apparently, is your role and not mine. What I am willing to do is to share is my perspective on a process that has been successful for me. That is all."

A world of disempowered people is not just suffering and dying every day…they are… and have always been looking for answers, but these answers elude them because the world is governed by deceptions and pretenders. What is this process you’re talking about, care to elaborate?

“Thank you for sharing your perspective. You are very welcome and I wish you well on your journey.”

And thank you very much…

Peace

[StarDust]

Edit: OK, your link says it all. It's dark for a reason and I'll take the Pleiadian perspective over that thread any day of the week.

Dark it is and your choice won't change the reality too many people are suffering through daily because of a denial of it.


Stardust:

Telling people that wars are over and that they can all go home now and bask in the glow of their 55" LCD flatscreen TV's is an INCREDIBLY foolish thing to be doing. (I state it that way, as to the casual observer, that is what you are saying)

Saying things like that is one of the most common tactics used in the past 12,000 years of war, within the game of psychology as applied to war. In this case, when you come here and mention that sort of thing, you are working for the dark side, either intentionally or in a state of confusion.

A better thing to do, is to tell them that you personally think it's over but then encourage them to never stop swinging until they personally see it end, themselves, in their lives and directly within their reality.


And that is just about the kindest thing I can say about your message in this thread. Seriously. (regarding this specific aspect of 'war is already won')



You have misinterpreted what I stated. That comment about the war being over was not in reference to the 3rd Density skirmishes that are occurring on the surface on the planet (and will continue for the foreseeable future) and to some extent in lower 4th Density; but the FACT that Gaia is now shifting into a 4th Density positive being. This has already been decided and the critical mass needed to achieve this transition was reached sometime in 2010 according to Inelia Benz and others. Once the transition in its current and unique state was approved by source, there was no going back. Once the transition is complete, it will not permit 3rd or 4th Density negative vibratory frequencies to exist upon it. This is an immutable rule of physics. To the negatives, Gaia will cease to exist as it will, for all intensive purposes, be invisible to their available energetic spectrum.

The only analogy I can think of is this. Imagine a battlefield where you have positive and negative forces locked in brutal hand to hand combat. Both sides are strong and neither seems to have a clear advantage. Suddenly the battlefield is turned to liquid. Only this time, the positive forces deploy their inflatable rafts (made of pure energy consisting of high vibratory frequency), but the negative forces have none; and no one can come and rescue them since this is occurring at a much higher level then their "state of the art" technologies. Consequently, the negative forces all drown and since they have no way to float they can no longer inhabit the planet. This, in essence, is what is happening to Gaia at the current time, only on an energetic level.

Don't misinterpret my words to suggest one should be lazy. I did not suggest or say any such thing. There is still much we as terrans, both native and ET/ED, need to do to achieve victory and preserve life here. It is critical that everyone do their best to be service to other and most importantly to raise your vibratory frequency to that of unconditional love as best you can. This will be your life preserver when the time comes. If that cannot be achieved, then living here will become very uncomfortable (nearly intolerable) for those of the dark.

My main beef with the dark pawn named Amzer Zo is that he is actively trying to recruit the weak minded for the dark side. He is doing this either knowingly or unknowingly. It doesn't matter to me since its intent was clear as day on an energetic level. This is why I have updated my "signature" to say what it says. His recruitment tactic has been used by no fewer than three individuals upon me within a very brief period of time. It's clear that the dark side sees that their time is up and they are pulling out all the stops to win a battle even though it is clear for some to see they have lost the war.

[Carmody]

Sometimes the small answer or reply, that is left open....is more effective than the convoluted, and 'defining' one.

Ie, the further the reach of the vision, the bigger the blinders it has on it's sides.

Most times that sort of information is best left as the internal rambling that is it's origin.

[StarDust]

If the “understanding” of E.T. is a very important part to humanity...how so? What could be more important (in these times) than to talk about the matters that we all know exist? It seems to me that there’s a presence here looking to distract us.

You are free to think what you will. That is your free will of choice being exercised and that is a good thing.


If E.T. isn’t here to help they must be here to make matters worse as they keep running interference with material that does nothing but confuse and idle the people.

We have been here since the beginning. Earth humans were permitted to develop upon their own accord until which time they were deemed ready to meet their cosmic cousins. That time is upon us.


The cognitive dissonance is due in part to the many people making claims of things they cannot explain. When a world is governed by secrets...what do you expect? Too many secrets lead to trust issues. These Issues were originally made by those seeking to convince and control the unaware with indefinable information. So, now we know and admit who’s at fault here.

Cognitive dissonance is a creation within the illusion of separation. It does not exist in the higher Densities where cooperation and sharing are more highly prized. The bickering and in-fighting that earth humans seem to enjoy on some level is foreign to those in higher Densities. It's as foreign to us as unconditional love is to earth humans when applied broadly.


To be clear...for various reasons I would believe E.D’s exist before believing E.T. exist. I have a few scientific questions I’m prepared to ask you about the cosmos...since no one else here were able to answer them. If you like you can gain a heads up by reviewing some of my post history concerning Space/time, dark matter and dark energy. I’m sure since you’re from another place (outside of Earth) you’re be able to answer them with little to no problem...

You are free to believe what you wish. I'm not here to convince you of anything that you do not wish to accept within your chosen version of reality.

I am not a scientist and thus may not have the answers you are seeking with regard to features/functions of the cosmos. Like any mission, you have mission specialists. My primary focus is on the mission is to help raise the vibratory frequency of Gaia so she can transmute into her proper role as a 4th Density positive being; this is the primary mission that is universal to all Wanderers. It is a great honor to be a part of this transition.

I'd be happy to take a look at what you have written, but realize that not every ET/ED is fully versed in such topics. It would be like asking a clinical physician to explain quantum physics. There may be some overlay of understanding, but the answer may not be easily accessible. I may very well have this knowledge accessible from our 6th Density social memory complex within Sirius B, but my focus and skills re-acquired are more narrowly targeted for the mission, for obvious reasons.


How do you effectively illuminate to the “seekers” without providing something else other than just “Words”? Only the gullible and weak minded choose to follow such info/people without some sought of evidence to grasp/understand/something to share with others who may also be interested. When illuminating you shine a light on what can’t be seen...how do you do this without revealing what the light is shining on?

That is your perspective as it is clear that you have trust issues - all skeptics do. This is an assessment borne from observation of many who consider themselves skeptics. It is not a judgement. You can certainly choose to move beyond the trust issues if you desire.

Generally speaking, and aside from the dialogue I am having with you, I do not deal with skeptics as I permit the seeker to find me when they are ready. This creates a high degree of purity within the exchange. Of course I can make an acception, which I do from time to time. In doing so, it helps me to refine my thoughts and organize them in ways that may make more sense to the student.

What is required is faith and an ability to use intuition to discern truth. Light can illuminate truth that resonates within. You need to learn to move beyond physicality. Without that learning/teaching, you are truly blind.


Hmmm...I thought you would know that there is no such thing as luck…

It is a human construct which is also another way of saying I wish you well.


Without the rationale… you are liable to fall for anything. In perspective…this can also be seen as a gift, defenses/ our B.S. detector…one of the most feared weapons humanity has at its disposal. Anyone wanting someone else to believe in them without logical cross examination is a con. I could never put someone in that situation, I have too much love and respect for people to do such a thing. As I stated before…We all suffer because we believe in those that tell lies, story tellers don’t materialize…they want others to believe their fiction in hopes of using the intentional power of the “duped” to manifest these belief systems…like witnessing sci-fy flicks…using others to open a gateway/portal…as the fiction vampire needs the “duped” to trick him/herself in order to let the deceiver into their home/lives.

That is quite the rabbit hole you have constructed for yourself. Enjoy the exploration!


My point is…If you know something and speak freely about it amongst people that don’t know about it…shouldn’t you be able to prove it…or have the decency to make the attempts? The difference between malevolent and benevolent intities can easily be seen through their discretion...at least for me it is.

That is your perception and self imposed requirement for your path. It is clear that you have no room/capacity for faith (absolute absence of doubt) in your paradigm. This is a "reality" of your own creation. To further expand upon this modality, I think Bashar summed it up best within this thought:


nMPXlyliLYM



I like thinking outside of the box but I’m also well aware of the boundaries of this reality. If I wasn’t aware… then I would be lost in finding my way back…like so many others have after being blindly lead a stray. Just look around, surely you can see the results for yourself.

Good! Next time try moving outside of the box. It's much more effective to gain perspective.


As before, no luck is required. Actually, this is getting way to easy...as the bad guys often expose themselves, thanks.

This is merely a matter of semantics, as was covered previously.


This is interesting…care to share or is this top secret? If this is top secret…should humans (Earth inhabitants) be aware and/or concern of this…at least for security reasons? Or are we suppose to just take your word for it…like we do with our elected officials? See where that’s gotten us…

There is nothing "top secret" about what I am doing. Since you are familiar with "The RA Material" this should be evident to you. And although I've alluded to it, I will share the nature of my missions with you since you were kind enough to ask.

Primary Mission: Anchor high frequency light to Gaia. This is the primary mission that is universal for ALL Wanderers. This is accomplished by simply being and is done 24/7 when activated. This does not necessarily require activation, but is easier to do so when one has been activated. There are currently up to 80-100 million Wanderers on Gaia who are accomplishing this task.

Secondary Mission: I am a communicator with advanced abilities as an intuitive channel. Do not confuse this with "channeling". It is different - I am tapping into the wisdom/knowledge of our 6th Density social memory complex to seek answers to better understand the systems related to the expansion of consciousness that Gaia is currently undergoing. This task is being accomplished through this transmission via the internet as well as on a one-to-one basis for those who seek.


So you’re just basically hanging around a forum waiting for the right conditions? I don’t know what kind of conditions you seek but I see a world full of people suffering, lied to, manipulated, confused and disempowered…all waiting for a savior and/ or disclosure…while you and others who claim to be ET/ED watch and remain cryptic. This is a hugh problem for humanity that I feel I was brought here (along with others) to point out. Yes, I know precisely why I’m here too.

Try not to read into everything you see without understanding the meaning behind it. There is no need to read nefarious intent into everything you encounter.

My tertiary mission is personal. It is to experience the birth of a child, or children, if Source will be so kind. The "condition" I'm referring to is meeting the right woman to have a child with.

Since I come from a 6th Density social memory complex, we have never experienced child birth since this is not requisite within the higher Dimensions. I am meant to have a child to be able to share this experience with my group. This is only my 3rd incarnation as human in a 20,000 year cycle. Apparently this will be my last opportunity to gain this experience within Gaia's collective consciousness.


A world of disempowered people is not just suffering and dying every day…they are… and have always been looking for answers, but these answers elude them because the world is governed by deceptions and pretenders. What is this process you’re talking about, care to elaborate?

There is no death, only learning/understanding based on an agreement by all souls who entered into incarnation. The process I speak of is what is covered to a degree within this dialogue - gaining understanding of the true nature of "self" which is an aspect of divine consciousness within the Law of ONE.


And thank you very much…

Salamat Gajun! Salamat Ja!
(Sirian for Be ONE, Be in JOY!

[StarDust]

Sometimes the small answer or reply, that is left open....is more effective than the convoluted, and 'defining' one.

Ie, the further the reach of the vision, the bigger the blinders it has on it's sides.

Most times that sort of information is best left as the internal rambling that is it's origin.

Yes, some like to speak in riddles that attempt to cloak poison. And some choose to go on a tyraid without thinking to ask for a clarification first.

As for myself, I prefer to get to the point and if clarification is required I ask before standing on a soapbox ranting about a fictitious position.

Salamat Gajun! Salamat Ja!

[Peace of Mind]

Thanks for your replies, I really appreciate them. Although you haven’t provided any evidence of your claims…I’m definitely glad to hear your concerns for the planet.

Much of what you have expressed is admirable and inspiring, hopefully in time I too will see your truths…but for now I’ll just leave this distraction for those willing to partake in it. I’m looking forward to your contributions and will happily assist you in any way I can…that’s if your plans are for the greater good of humanity and mother Earth. I don’t see a need for us to continue this discussion (now)…as the timing and material has yet to show any structure of co-operation. Be well…

Peace

[StarDust]

[QUOTE=Peace of Mind;489774]Thanks for your replies, I really appreciate them. Although you haven’t provided any evidence of your claims…

You're welcome! Although I've stated quite emphatically since the beginning of this dialogue that I'm not here to provide any evidence; only a description of systems which the seeker is welcome to explore or denounce. If what I say resonates within the seeker, then great. If not, then the seeker is welcome to look elsewhere for answers. In this essence, I am but a conduit. And as I've learned, no singular lesson will work in a universal manner. But I do bid you well in your search!


I’m definitely glad to hear your concerns for the planet.

Thank you! It is why I've volunteered to incarnate here and now it's nice to know that the dark forces will be forced to retreat even further into the nether region….like rats scurrying into the darkness:)


Much of what you have expressed is admirable and inspiring, hopefully in time I too will see your truths…but for now I’ll just leave this distraction for those willing to partake in it.

Thank you for having an open mind. I know this can be difficult when exploring new territory. I congratulate you on your effort!


I’m looking forward to your contributions and will happily assist you in any way I can…that’s if your plans are for the greater good of humanity and mother Earth. I don’t see a need for us to continue this discussion (now)…as the timing and material has yet to show any structure of co-operation.

We are all in this together. We each have our contributions to make and I know we will be triumphant in the end!


Be well…

Peace

And to you as well, my friend!

Salamat Gajun! Salamat Ja!

[WhiteFeather]

IMO I believe many souls are coming here to learn the greatest experience in The Universe. The Transformational Shift which begins in 2012.... Some say this is the first time that a planet and its inhabitants will have attempted. And the visitors from above are watching this main event whilst sitting on the edge of their seats.

You see, Something Wonderful Is Going To Happen. *My God Its Full Of Stars*


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8hu9N-Kz3I

And Besides Earth Has The Best College In The Universe.

The Universe Of Planet Earth.

Why Are We Here in Earth School?

Have you ever asked yourself: Why am I here? Why did I choose to return to earth school once again?

Here’s an answer that resonates with me: We come to earth school to have physical experiences, and from these experiences we learn valuable lessons that enable us to evolve spiritually. That -- in a single sentence -- explains why we come here.

However, earth school does not consist only of study and work. We also come here to enjoy the intensity and sensuality of the physical world. But when we come here, we deliberately choose to forget what we really are, to make the experience seem real. We even choose to forget why we come here.

We do not come to earth school by accident. We could remain in Heaven if we wanted to, but we choose to come here instead. There may be a waiting list of souls in Heaven, applying to come to earth school because the experience here is so exciting.

Before we come, we know that earth school will be difficult, frustrating and stressful. But we are confident that we can handle it because we have carefully planned and prepared for it. We have established the curriculum we will follow -- or disregard --when we get here. We have identified the teachers we will meet up with. We have even selected our parents, where we will live, and the bodies we will inhabit while here. We have carefully preplanned everything to maximize our learning experience in earth school.

I certainly have learned incredible things here in earth school. The last 20 years have been especially rewarding, because during this time, I have undergone phenomenal personal change and spiritual growth. This physical world is a beautiful place, but I am no longer enamored with its illusions nor am I trapped in them.

One very important thing I have learned here in earth school is this: I am not the victim of other people, life’s circumstances, or God’s whims. Instead, I am the creator of my reality. I create every experience I have in life with my thoughts and beliefs. Indeed, I think we all come to earth school to learn how to be better creators.

We think of ourselves as individuals in earth school because we inhabit physical bodies that seem to separate us from each other. Despite this convincing illusion of separation, however, the fact remains: we are here together in earth school and the behavior of any one of us easily affects the rest of us. Cruelty and outbursts of temper can affect millions of others. If we are to achieve Heaven on earth, we must do so collectively.

More Here: http://spiritquest-panama.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-are-we-here-in-earth-school.html

[Timreh]

I have on at least 2 occasions during this life reached a point where I was faced with a most uncomfortable question.. what if I am wrong?

One thing I have learnt after changing and re-building my belief systems is that I may not always be right and that there may be much more that I don't know!

I am not implying anyone is wrong in their views, I just wanted to share some of mine..

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[VirgoSun79]

IMO I believe many souls are coming here to learn the greatest experience in The Universe. The Transformational Shift which begins in 2012.... Some say this is the first time that a planet and its inhabitants will have attempted. And the visitors from above are watching this main event whilst sitting on the edge of their seats.

You see, Something Wonderful Is Going To Happen. *My God Its Full Of Stars*


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8hu9N-Kz3I

And Besides Earth Has The Best College In The Universe.

The Universe Of Planet Earth.

Why Are We Here in Earth School?

Have you ever asked yourself: Why am I here? Why did I choose to return to earth school once again?

Here’s an answer that resonates with me: We come to earth school to have physical experiences, and from these experiences we learn valuable lessons that enable us to evolve spiritually. That -- in a single sentence -- explains why we come here.

However, earth school does not consist only of study and work. We also come here to enjoy the intensity and sensuality of the physical world. But when we come here, we deliberately choose to forget what we really are, to make the experience seem real. We even choose to forget why we come here.

We do not come to earth school by accident. We could remain in Heaven if we wanted to, but we choose to come here instead. There may be a waiting list of souls in Heaven, applying to come to earth school because the experience here is so exciting.

Before we come, we know that earth school will be difficult, frustrating and stressful. But we are confident that we can handle it because we have carefully planned and prepared for it. We have established the curriculum we will follow -- or disregard --when we get here. We have identified the teachers we will meet up with. We have even selected our parents, where we will live, and the bodies we will inhabit while here. We have carefully preplanned everything to maximize our learning experience in earth school.

I certainly have learned incredible things here in earth school. The last 20 years have been especially rewarding, because during this time, I have undergone phenomenal personal change and spiritual growth. This physical world is a beautiful place, but I am no longer enamored with its illusions nor am I trapped in them.

One very important thing I have learned here in earth school is this: I am not the victim of other people, life’s circumstances, or God’s whims. Instead, I am the creator of my reality. I create every experience I have in life with my thoughts and beliefs. Indeed, I think we all come to earth school to learn how to be better creators.

We think of ourselves as individuals in earth school because we inhabit physical bodies that seem to separate us from each other. Despite this convincing illusion of separation, however, the fact remains: we are here together in earth school and the behavior of any one of us easily affects the rest of us. Cruelty and outbursts of temper can affect millions of others. If we are to achieve Heaven on earth, we must do so collectively.

More Here: http://spiritquest-panama.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-are-we-here-in-earth-school.html

This actually rests with my spirit more than anything else I've read in this topic. Not to say the other options are not valid and the truth but I've learned to follow my gut and when I get that feeling in the pit of my stomach like I'm getting now, I've learned to trust that. This explaination actually makes a bit more sense to me. I am only in a position to say that because of my current job, I work for California Psychics. I'm not a psychic (I'm a customer service rep) but we get free readings and CP only accepts 2% of the psychics they screen to make sure they are real psychics. I've spoken to over 40 psychics some I had no connections with and some I had amazing connections with. I've reached out and contacted my grandfather which I found out was with me; my grandfather through the psychic wanted me to really know he is with me by having the psychic describe my 8 year old birthday cake which was in the shape of a blue panda bear and then described what I had on in the picture I have from that day. Not to mention confirming how I use to sit behind my grandfather on the white freezer and watch him bake cakes. After that I knew I was really speaking to my GF.

But anyway to my point; I was told he was with me along with 3 other relatives/friends who have passed on. Now this is what I was told..... When you cross over you turn 33 (whatever that means), on the 'other side' everyone has jobs and careers/ there is a lot of research going on also there. Then (if you like) you go to The Hall of _______ (sorry I can't remember the name) to review your souls life, then you go to The Hall of Justice to decide if you want to return to this world or not. So when I read this I just resonated with me harder than anything else.

Now I'm curious about these 'jobs' on the other side and the 'need' to have them and conduct 'research'? Research on what?