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RMorgan
17th May 2012, 22:34
Hey folks,

It looks like most of us are addicted to apocalyptic predictions somehow.

So, I´ve decided to make this thread about predictions that failed! ;)

What can we conclude about these failed predictions? Can you see similarities between them and those that constantly come and go, here at PA? Can we, humans, actually predict the future? Why are we addicted to this sort of stuff? Why, even after making failed predictions, some people still continue to sell a lot of books?

Please, feel free to share your perspectives or collect some other unfulfilled predictions, from any time in history, and post them here, right?

So, let me start:



Ancient Predictions:


About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen.

About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.

About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.

2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.

365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn't.

375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.

500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.

968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.

992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting. There does not appear to be independent verification of this remarkable event.

1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics. Agitation settled down quickly, as it later did in the year 2000.

1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.

1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the nearness of the end.

1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.

1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end was expected in 1306 CE.

1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.

1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.

1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.

1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.

1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.

1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.

1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen a millennium and a half after the nominal date of his execution, in 1533. The New Jerusalem was expected to be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.

1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death between 1669 and 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.

1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.

1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.

1783: On JUN-08, a volcanic eruption in southern Iceland started. It pumped massive amounts of toxic dust, sulphur dioxide and fluorine into the atmosphere. Cattle died, crops failed, and about one quarter of the island's population died of starvation. By the end of June, poisonous clouds had reached England and much of Europe. Boats had to stay in harbor because they could not navigate. There was massive loss of life in England, particularly among farm workers. Many predicted that the end of the world was imminent.

1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.

1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought that Doomsday would occur in this year.

1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.

1832: Joseph Smith (1805-1844) was the founder of the Church of Christ, which became the Restorationist movement after many schisms. It now includes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- a.k.a. the Mormons, and about a hundred other denominations and sects. He heard a voice while praying. He wrote, in Doctrines and Covenants section 130:
14: "I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:"

15: "Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter."

16: "I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face."

17: "I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time." 14
The year in which this event occurred is not recorded. However, one commentator suggested 1832 or earlier. 16 Smith is later recorded as having said:
"I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written--the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old." 17

Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century, having been assassinated by a mob.



Recent Predictions:


Gary D. Blevins (1998) Ronald Reagan (who it turns out is the Antichrist, since each of his three names has six letters) would, despite being out of power for two years, return to rule the world -- aided by the Masons, UFOs and a supercomputer.

In 1996, Reagan would begin his reign of terror by casting New York City into the Lake of Fire.

But luckily, two short years later, Jesus would return to Earth, triggering the Rapture (the faithless need not apply) and tossing satanic Reagan into the fire for 1,000 years.
Blevins apparently had little to say after his predictions failed to come to fruition, no doubt preferring to comfort himself with the stacks of money bilked from people gullible enough to buy his book.

Ed Dames (Spring, 1999 / Rescheduled for 2014) Former US Army Major Ed Dames was a participant in the government's Stargate Project to determine the existence of psychic abilities -- you know, like The Men Who Stare at Goats -- but although the project was shut down for lack of evidence, that hasn't stopped Dames from trumpeting his ability to see ("remote view") the future and to teach others to do the same (for a small fee). His specialty seems to be doom and gloom predictions (Can no one predict peace accords or a 40% increase in rainbows?), from earthquakes to disease to nuclear war, but his pièce de résistance since at least 1998 has been the "killshot." It goes a little something like this:
An unknown planet-sized object will suddenly come in close proximity with Earth, destroying our planet's magnetic field.

An inconveniently timed period of unusually high solar flare activity will cause lethal flares to strike the Earth's surface, triggering tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanoes, global warming, hurricane-level winds and a very smug Ed Dames.

Amidst the chaos but unrelated to the killshot, the Earth will coincidentally decide to shift on its axis, wiping out what life is left on the planet after the solar flares hit.

But have no fear: a humanoid alien race will show up after the devastation (thanks a lot) and help the few remaining survivors rebuild. In the meantime, they've left crop circles as indicators of the best places to be when the end of times occurs. Rural Kansas, here we come!
Dames first predicted that the killshot would occur in the spring of 1999, and he and his employees spent a few days inside a lava tube in Hawaii waiting for the big event. Aw-kward. Undeterred, he has since continued to push out the date to "right around the corner" -- most recently somewhere between 2012 and 2014.

Hon-Ming Chen (March 31, 1998) Taiwanese political science professor-turned-cult leader Hon-Ming Chen moved his God's Salvation Church to the US in the mid-'90s, settling in Garland, Texas because the name sounded like "God's Land." There, in 1997, he began to make some interesting predictions:
Nuclear war would ravage the Earth in 1999, but like He had done five times before since the age of the dinosaurs, God would arrive in a flying saucer and save a select few beings -- i.e., members of God's Salvation Church. Chen pinpointed the landing spot to be Lake Street Beach in Miller, Indiana.

But before all of that, at midnight on March 25, 1998, God would appear on Channel 18 on every television set in the US (sorry, rest of the world) to warn us about the impending global crisis.

God would look exactly like Chen.

Apparently, even though God is speaking, and He's talking about our imminent destruction, people would still become bored, so God would arrange for some entertaining movie programming to be shown as well. (When God didn't show, Chen explained that God had instead declared his intentions in strong winds and unusual cloud patterns.)

Before things hit the fan, God would appear at Chen's house in Garland at 10:00 AM on March 31, 1998. Again, He would resemble Chen. He would even duplicate himself to personally greet followers at the same time and would speak in whatever language his followers spoke. (When that didn't pan out, Chen explained to reporters gathered at the scene that they are all God.)

Chen claimed to have amongst his followers a reincarnation of Jesus Christ ("Jesus of the East") and prophesized that linking him up with a "Jesus of the West" would save lives in the impending war.
The other Jesus was supposedly a six-foot-tall 28-year-old man living in Vancouver, British Columbia who looked like Abraham Lincoln. The group placed a personals ad in local newspapers, but no one came forward. As nutty as they were to follow Chen in the first place, his followers were smart enough to see the writing on the wall after several botched prophecies. Most abandoned God's Salvation Church even before the predicted doomsday.

Nancy Lieder (May, 2003) In 1995, Nancy Lieder, founder of the Zeta Talk website and supposed alien contactee (and surrogate mother), targeted May 2003 as doomsday, stating amongst other things that:
A planet-sized object, dubbed Planet X, about four times the size of Earth would sweep through our solar system, causing the Earth to stop spinning for six days.

The Earth's poles would shift, causing the crust to move and leading to all sorts of nasty weather -- winds, tidal waves, lightning, whirlpools and enough humidity for a billion bad hair days.

About 90% of the Earth's population would die, and their souls would be reincarnated as various entities, based on how selfless they are -- ranging from Earth-bound humans (the most selfless) to lesser beings flung off onto other planets (the most selfish). If you haven't decided whether to be selfless or selfish, you would be reincarnated as an octopus. Seriously.

She knows this because she's been communicating with aliens ("Zetas") since she was a child, having been implanted with Zetan genetic material that gives her telepathic abilities. Or so they tell her.
When the date came and went with no cataclysm, Lieder and her followers stated that the 2003 date was a "white lie" and that "no date would be given as it would allow the establishment to mistreat the populace." The Man has to ruin everything.

Moses David (1993) David Berg (AKA Moses David), founder of the hippie religious cult The Children of God, made headlines nationwide in 1973 when he prophesized that the passing of the Comet Kohoutek would signal the end of the world, but he later made more ridiculous predictions, namely:
The Battle of Armageddon would occur in the mid-1980s, during which the USSR would defeat a tag team of the United States and Israel.

In 1986, a Communist leader would emerge from Egypt and become dictator of the world, but around three years later, he would announce that he is in fact Satan (Surprise!) and would demand worship from everyone.

But have no fear; Jesus Christ would return in 1993 to conquer the Antichrist. The saved individuals would Rapture on up the road to Heaven, while Jesus would rule over the Earth for 1,000 years, with the assistance of Children of God members -- though you'd imagine all of them would be in Heaven at that point.
If accusations of Berg's rampant child molestation didn't frighten his followers away, I supposed a few failed prophecies wouldn't seem like such a big deal. As such, although Berg died in 1994, his group continues to function under the name The Family International, with membership reported to be over 10,000.

Eileen Lakes (July, 1999) In 1997, Eileen Lakes, self-proclaimed as "a Utopian, Spiritual Leader and Japanese," predicted that the following series of events would commence in July 1999:

The planets in the solar system would suddenly align into a "Grand Cross" configuration.

This movement would cause the Earth's poles to shift by 90 degrees, leading to a worldwide flood known as the "Water Baptism."

Survivors would form a worldwide society -- the "Kingdom of God" -- using a form of socialism dubbed "Eileenism." Jerusalem would be the capital of Earth, and Earth would the capital of the solar system.

Humans would have life spans of over 1,000 years and would swear loyalty to aliens and their almighty supercomputer, seeing as how humans were created by aliens. Duh.
Although the events didn't unfold quite as expected in 1999, Lakes continues to tell her follower(s) to prepare for the "Kingdom of God," which now will occur around 2070, by which time she should be dead enough to avoid scrutiny when nothing happens.

Albert Porta (December 17, 1919) Most meteorologists today are satisfied with getting the weekend forecast correct, but back in 1919, respected meteorologist Albert Porta went beyond the call of duty and predicted that December 17 of that year would arrive with a 100% chance of your face melting off. That is, the alignment of six planets would create a magnetic charge that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the Earth. When doomsday came and went without so much as a severe sunburn, Porta lost all his credibility and ended up writing the weather column for a local newspaper.

Sheldan Nidle (March 1995 - December 1996, thereabouts) Scientist Sheldan Nidle helped popularize the pseudoscience of the Photon Belt with his 1994 book You are Becoming a Galactic Human, supposedly a transcript of messages channeled from an alien being from the Sirius star system (a "Sirian"). So, I suppose Nidle can blame him/her for these failed prophecies:
Between March of 1995 and December of 1996, Earth would enter the Photon Belt, an immense ring of light particles (whose presence scientists have somehow not yet managed to recognize), that will transport the entire solar system close to the Sirius star system.

The Photon Belt would elevate humans into a higher state of being, from the third dimension, skipping 4-D altogether and going all the way to 5-D: a semi-ethereal shared consciousness between all humans.

Before the Photon Belt arrives, alien "counselors" from the Galactic Federation of Light would land on Earth to help prepare us for our new consciousness, teaching us not only how to speak telepathically with other people, but also with the dead and with plants and animals.
When 1996 came and went without incident, Nidle proclaimed that the rituals and meditations of his followers "greatly assisted the local Spiritual Hierarchy in changing both the timing and the intensity of the Earth Changes." Well played, crazy person, well played.

Cheers,

Raf.

PS: Let´s keep this thread polite and focused on the topic, ok?

the_vast_mystery
17th May 2012, 22:45
This thread reminds me, has anyone ever thought about putting up some kind of reputation based website so that we can keep track of who makes what prediction, so that a clear, impartial record of people's successes and failures within the alternative community can be tracked? It'd sure be helpful to someone new if they can see who's likely to be a charlatan (by a long history of failed predictions) versus someone who might be the real deal.

foreverfan
17th May 2012, 22:52
Heck... the New Orleans Saints won the Superbowl... Just sayin... :cool:

RMorgan
17th May 2012, 22:52
This thread reminds me, has anyone ever thought about putting up some kind of reputation based website so that we can keep track of who makes what prediction, so that a clear, impartial record of people's successes and failures within the alternative community can be tracked? It'd sure be helpful to someone new if they can see who's likely to be a charlatan (by a long history of failed predictions) versus someone who might be the real deal.

Great idea, mate!

From now on, this will be the thread where we will post any prediction, from any alternative media character, that doesn´t actually happen, right?

This is a great way to separate which source of info is reliable and which one isn´t.

Also, it´s a good way to refresh our memories and stop the same old characters to keep coming back with new nonsense predictions and vague claims.

Cheers,

Raf.

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 00:09
Hi again folks,

I´ve just found a website that collects some more predictions, from all sorts, and confirm if they happened or not:

http://skepticproject.com/articles/predictions/

Cheers,

Raf.

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 00:24
-UPDATE-

1850: Ellen White, founder of the Seven Day Adventists movement, made many predictions of the timing of the end of the world. All failed. On 1850-JUN-27 she prophesized that only a few months remained before the end. She wrote: “My accompanying angel said, ‘Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.’ …now time is almost finished…and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.” 10
bullet 1856 or later: At Ellen White’s last prediction, she said that she was shown in a vision the fate of believers who attended the 1856 SDA conference. She wrote “I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: ‘Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.” 11 That is, some of the attendees would die of normal diseases; some would die from plagues at the last days, others would still be alive when Jesus came. “By the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure.” 12

1891: Mother Shipton, a 16th century mystic predicted the end of the world: “…The world to an end shall come; in eighteen hundred and eighty-one.”

1891 or before: On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He announced that Jesus would return within 56 years — i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church 2:182)


1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, predicted that the Day of the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. Nothing much happened that year, except for the birth of the compiler of this list — who has been referred to as an Anti-Christ. When the prediction failed, he made a new estimate: 1975.


1953-AUG: David Davidson wrote a book titled “The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message”. In it, he predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.


1960: Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled “Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid.” It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.


1980: Leland Jensen leader of a Baha’i Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment of God’s Kingdom on earth.

1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years in advance that the world would end in the fall of 1982. The failure of this prophecy did not seem to adversely affect his reputation.

1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the “Jupiter Effect” in 1974. They wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align as seen from earth, as they do regularly. Nothing unusual happened.

1984 to 1999: In 1983, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, later called Osho, teacher of what has been called the Rajneesh movement, is said to have predicted massive destruction on earth, including natural disasters and man-made catastrophes. Floods larger than any since Noah, extreme earthquakes, very destructive volcano eruptions, nuclear wars etc. were to happen. Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay will all disappear. Actually, the predictions were read out by his secretary; their legitimacy is doubtful.

1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd’s Chapel predicted that the war of Armageddon will start on 1985-JUN 8-9 in “a valley of the Alaskan peninsula.”

1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.

1987 to 2000: Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book “I Predict 2000 AD” predicted that Jerusalem would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the 20th century. All of the predictions failed.

1988: Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book “The Late, Great Planet Earth” that the Rapture was coming in 1988 – one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy which sell very well indeed.

1988: Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was “super-psychic A.S. Narayana,” predicted in 1986 that the world’s greatest natural disaster would hit Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11 when he answered the door of his home only to be shot dead by a gunman.

1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book “88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988.” It sold over 4 million copies. <<<<<

1997: Amateur Astrologist's False Observation Leads to Mass Suicide in 1997
When amateur astronomist Chuck Shramek took a fuzzy CCD image of the comet Hale-Bopp, which was set to reappear in 1997, he mistakenly observed that a Saturn-like object was trailing behind it. The observation reached message boards on the early, pre-YouTube Internet and spread, making UFO enthusiasts predict that an alien spacecraft was trailing the comet.

The closeness of the comet's appearance to the new millennium led religious cults like Heaven's Gate to see it as a sign of the apocalypse.

39 people in the cult committed mass suicide in California because they believed the UFO disguising itself through the comet was there to rescue them from a doomed Earth. How they thought killing themselves would help them get on the UFO makes no sense. Other cults who thought themselves to be creatures from other planets were waiting for the UFO to take them back home and end their "visit" on Earth.

Later it was discovered that two astronomers from the University of Hawaii had actually taken the photo and Shramek's had been altered to add the object.

1998 - David Wilcock made a prophecy at the beginning of July that indicated the possible threat of a nuclear strike on New York City for August 17th, 1998. Accordingly to him, it never happened "due to our own efforts of prayer and of alerting the proper forces, this strike has been avoided".

1999- Richard Hoagland tells us that something momentous is about to befall on November 7th, the date of the X-Files season opener.

2000/2008/2009 - David Wilcock, who once had a website called ascension2000.com, like the name of the site says, predicted that some kind of mass dimensional ascension would happen in the year 2000. Wilcock predicted that on October 14th 2008 a massive armada of UFO's would be seen worldwide in the skies, and that the US government would fully disclose all UFO information by the end of 2009.

2011 - Richard Hoagland and other characters predicted that the comet Elenin was a spaceship that would hit or seriously affect Earth somehow. This was the Elenin fever and everyone was sure that this comet would have serious impacts over our lives. The comet ended up disintegrating while passing close to the sun. Shortly after the Elenin fiasco, Richard Hoagland predicted that asteroid YU55 would hit the moon on November 9th. He also said the the asteroid was in fact a spaceship. David Wilcock confirmed/vetted it.


Cheers,

Raf.

Cartomancer
18th May 2012, 00:26
I predict this thread will be a huge success. I'm going out on a limb here..............Great idea Raf. I am going to be watching what is going on here and enjoying the list you provided.

Sidney
18th May 2012, 04:37
Hi again folks,

I´ve just found a website that collects some more predictions, from all sorts, and confirm if they happened or not:

http://skepticproject.com/articles/predictions/

Cheers,

Raf.


That site looks like a total debunking site run by an alphabet. IMHO

meat suit
18th May 2012, 08:46
Excellent thread Raf,

predictions are interesting and entertaining, remember the 'mothership visit'

there is a question here: if a person makes a prediction that doesnt come true, does that make them a liar? and always and forever a liar?
if a person makes a prediction that does come true: like 2+2=4, or, tommorrow will be the 19th..... does that mean they will always know the truth about the future?

the skill in predicting the future from our 'terrestrial meatsuit pilot' perspective must be in correctly evaluating the probabilities...

sdv
18th May 2012, 09:30
Hope I am not going off topic here Raf (great idea this thread to keep ourselves balanced) ...

A Buddhist friend of mine was told by a llama that a psychic can see into your future but only if there is a strong karmic link between you and the psychic (interesting perspective). So this friend and I have discovered (we do a lot of personal research with psychics!) among those who do have some kind of aptitude to see into the future:

1. Most will not admit that they are not getting any information, like when they are having a bad day and are blocked, and so will make up something. (They are bound to get something right or close to right sometime, simply because of the law of averages and so followers are convinced.)

2. Most will misinterpret what they do see (i.e. they are unaware of how intrusive their own perceptions and beliefs are).

3. Most will make up a story (extrapolate, analyse, draw conclusions from) rather than simply tell exactly what they see.

I've been investigating the remote viewing results from Courtney Brown's research (probably the closest to a mainstream scientific investigation that there is) keeping in mind the three above points and trying to see what is left. (I'll let you know in July 2013 if the predictions from this remote viewing are true or false!)

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 14:33
Excellent thread Raf,

predictions are interesting and entertaining, remember the 'mothership visit'

there is a question here: if a person makes a prediction that doesnt come true, does that make them a liar? and always and forever a liar?
if a person makes a prediction that does come true: like 2+2=4, or, tommorrow will be the 19th..... does that mean they will always know the truth about the future?

the skill in predicting the future from our 'terrestrial meatsuit pilot' perspective must be in correctly evaluating the probabilities...

Hi my friend, Super Meat Boy! :)

Well, my answer is absolutely NO!

However, what I´m judging here (yes! we can judge any information presented to us!), is the level of certainty and assertiveness that people usually have while making predictions!

I don´t see any humble persons making predictions, like "I believe something may happen that date", "I think something serious might happen because of this and that..." and this sort of nice behavior.

To me, looks like everyone who makes a prediction consider themselves the masters of truth! They always say "This is going to happen and you better be ready", "I´m absolutely sure about it because my sources told me" and this stuff.

I´m not talking about analyzing global trends and making an estimation out of your analyzes. We all do that on our daily lives.

What I am talking about is an individual, like for instance, Richard Hoagland, who was absolutely sure that Elenin was a spaceship and that it would affect us very badly. Then when Elenin was gone, he changed his goals to YU55 and, again, nothing happened.

Also, I´m talking about people like David Wilcock, who makes a living out of predictions that never happened! If you research on the web, you´ll see that he once had a website called ascension2000, making as many bold predictions as he does now, about the year 2000, among MANY other failed predictions and the most amazing thing, is that people still believe in this con man! This guy is on the failed predictions business for more than 15 years and still making money out of it!

How about this other guy, Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book “88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988” and sold over 4 million copies!!!!

You must have in mind that, this is a very lucrative business, built upon people´s naivety! People can make A LOT of money selling books and other stuff to naive people! That´s why these persons, like David Wilcock, never give up and are always moving their goals to a different date and making new predictions.

Anyway, I´ve made this thread for all of us to finally realize that, statistically, the human being can´t predict big chances on Earth and on society with accuracy.

People must leave this prediction stuff behind, because it´s not working for about 2000 years! Start making the change yourselves folks, it´s not sooo hard!

Cheers,

Raf.

Peace of Mind
18th May 2012, 14:40
Great Idea RMorgan…People need to see the history of deceit and how it’s shaping the minds of tomorrow… even if these predictions never happened. Sadly, those giving out these failed predictions still hold captive the attention and the minds of many. Unknowingly, these blind followers are becoming another problem within our society.

If it was up to me...I would sticky this to the top of the forum ASAP. Anything that helps keep us focused and on the right paths gets my endorsement. Thanks for this very very important thread, this will come in handy.

Peace

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 14:41
Another prediction gone wrong, by Cartomancer: ;)


I predict this thread will be a huge success. I'm going out on a limb here..............Great idea Raf. I am going to be watching what is going on here and enjoying the list you provided.

No, this thread is not going be a success, simply because people want to believe! People just want it, nothing else matters.

Cheers,

Raf.

Kelly
18th May 2012, 15:16
I think this is a great post, and by reading it, we can see what to expect, probably more of the same :)
The only person i listen to, is myself! i block all the others out :lalala::lalala::lalala::lalala:

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 15:47
-UPDATE-

This one was pretty fun to watch, I must confess. A perfect example of collective hysteria:

2011- Steve Beckow selected about a hundred people that would be leaving Saturday, Feb. 4, 2012, to board the Neptune, the mothership of Grener of Ashira, from Neptune, the President of the Intergalactic Council, for a 10-day tour of the fleet and a trip to another planet. They would be returned on Feb. 14 (or sooner if people had other obligations). Of course, It didn´t happen but, unbelievably, many people believed it, as you can see in this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39800-100-people-invited-to-go-to-mothership-Steve-Beckow

Cheers,

Raf.

mountain_jim
18th May 2012, 16:02
Search this forum for Stankov to find numerous predictions that did not occur.

However, my personal favorite prediction that did not occur is Dr Boylan's Appalachian earthquakes - down to the minute and size - would have wiped me out if true. (Afterward's he claimed interference from entities that wanted to destroy his reputation was responsible, as I recall) :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29399-New-Dr-Boylan-mega-Appalachian-Earthquake-predictions-starting-sunday-9-04&highlight=boylan




This is my revised report on the Five Great Quakes to rock the US East Coast between September 4 and 10. This report provides additional details, building on the basic core of information received from Star Nations, and relayed by Star Person-Incarnate Fran, about there being five large quakes to occur along the Appalachian Mountain chain in early September, and the dates of each.
I have uploaded to this website a satellite photo map of the Five Great Quakes, with push pins identifying the epicenter of each one.

First, here is specific data obtained from my psychic future-reading of the energy signature of each Quake. This will be followed by a few overall comments about potential impacts, and about Mother Earth's intentions. Note: * indicates revised data reading since the earlier report.
Great Quake #1: Sunday, Sept. 4, magnitude 8.1. Epicenter* around Taylorsville, North Carolina 28681. ,GPS coordinates: 35 degrees, 52', 21.34" North Latitude; 81 degrees, 11', 28.26" West Longitude. (This is 55 miles west-southwest of Winston-Salem, NC, and 140 mi. W of Raleigh, NC. The epicenter is also 280 miles WSW of Naval Station Norfolk, VA; and 300 miles SW of Washington, DC.)
Great Quake #2: Monday, Sept. 5, magnitude 8.2. Epicenter* at Federal Square, Petersburg, West Virginia 26847; GPS coordinates: 38 degrees, 59', 49.921 N Lat.; 79 degrees, 7', 31.01" W Long. (This is 110 miles west of Washington, DC.)
Great Quake #3: Tuesday, Sept. 6, magnitude 8.6*. Epicenter under High Knob peak on the Virginia-West Virginia State Line, about 20 miles NW of Harrisonburg, VA 22801; GPS coordinates: 38 degrees, 34', 9.33" N Lat.; 79 degrees, 10', 15.02" W Long. (This is 115 miles WSW of Washington, DC. And 195 miles NW of Naval Station Norfolk.)
Mega-Quake #4: Wednesday, Sept. 7, magnitude 9.5. Epicenter is 14 miles northwest of Roanoke, Virginia, (3 miles west of Catawba, VA 24070), under VA HWY 311, (9/10 mile south of JCT of VA 311 and VA 621). GPS coordinates: 37 degrees, 24', 3.27" N Lat.; 80 degrees, 9', 20.30" W Long. (The epicenter is also 200 miles SW of Washington, DC; and 216 miles ESE of Naval Station Norfolk.)
Great Quake #5: Saturday, Sept. 10, magnitude 8.4*. Epicenter is 2 miles north of Franklin (on US 22), West Virginia 26807, GPS coordinates: 38 degrees, 40', 56.07" N Lat.; 79 degrees, 19', 0.41" W. Long. (This epicenter is 120 miles WSW of Washington, DC. And 210 miles NW of Naval Station Norfolk.)
In addition to the very powerful shaking which these Great Quakes will generate, there is indication that substantial Seiches (inland waterway tidal waves) will develop in Chesapeake Bay [affecting Washington, DC and Baltimore] and in Delaware Bay [affecting Philadelphia], and substantial ocean Tsunamis will develop along portions of the U.S. Atlantic Coast, potentially affecting somewhat New York Bay and Long Island Sound, JFK Airport and low-lying portions of Manhattan.
The Navy's huge Norfolk Naval Base, VA at the mouth of Chesapeake Bay would be well advised to send its fleets out to sea to ride out the seiches/tsunamis to occur nearby.
Mother Earth is hurting. My close associate, Star Person-Incarnate Fran, has indicated that these quakes are a natural event, necessary for Gaia/Mother Earth to adjust and equilibrate in the face of the damage done to her, including the epically-ruinous massive mountaintop-removals and other destabilizing coal-mining damage occurring extensively throughout the Appalachians. Thus, these mega-quakes are not something anyone should try to prevent or minimize by psychic means.
We have to learn to accept that Gaia/Earth Mother needs to adjust herself. And that we need to learn from the natural consequences of our collective human behavior and choices.
Perhaps this early-September Appalachian Mega-Quake series will be the occasion for us and the U.S. Administration to turn dramatically away from reliance on carbon-based fuel and power, such as coal, moving instead to alternative, less ecologically-harmful energy sources.
Or will people miss the meaning of this Appalachian lesson?
But if the U.S. Administration uses these Great Quakes as a basis for declassifying and beginning to release clean, non-polluting Zero Point Energy technology to the public, then all the suffering and property loss that will accompany the Appalachian Great Quakes will not have been in vain.
The energy indication readings I get also point to this Five Great Quakes Series as an opportunity for "the greatest power in the world" (the U.S.) to learn some humility, to refocus on the essentials, for its citizens to mobilize their humanity and compassion for those affected, and for setting aside petty political games of "scoring points" instead of statesmanship.
The indications I get also point to the use of these Five Great Quakes to deliver some karmic retribution to the Cabal/Illuminati/Shadow Government. Gaia/Mother Earth will differentially send her shock waves through her crust, making sure that Cabal underground installations receive the most damaging force, and that the underground installations of the "White Hats" [Good Guys] in government receive substantially much less force.
The above Quake Series readings were made August 30. Mother Earth can change and shift, and does. Already Gaia has decided not to allow the enormous Seaslide and Tsunami at La Palma Island, Canaries to occur as a result of the 5 Great Quakes. There will already be so much damage from those Quakes themselves.
I will be taking additional readings over the next four days until the Quake Series starts, and will post any substantial changes publicly on my website, www.drboylan.com/appalachianquakes.html.
These coming challenging times are part of the Transition from corrupt Fourth World society to reformed Fifth World society, a Transition foreseen in the oral traditions of countless indigenous peoples for millennia.
And so, these Quakes can also be viewed as birth pains; as Gaia and we Humans continue our shift from corrupt Fourth World society in need of change to a reformed and renewed Fifth World society and planet.


in the light,

Richard Boylan, Ph.D., Councillor of Earth

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 16:08
Search this forum for Stankov to find numerous predictions that did not occur.

Thanks for the contribution mate! This one is pretty fun as well!

Maybe you could give me a hand here and post some of Stankov´s failed predictions? :)

Lets help to build up this database folks, for the sake of this community!

Cheers,

Raf.

gripreaper
18th May 2012, 16:14
Predictions are like prophesy. This is the potential future outcome if we stay on the energetic pathway we are on now. That's all.

Predictions are energetic based and do not follow the Gregorian calendar, which is a construct of the elite power mongers. Energy is the collective manifestation, and it occurs based on the current energetic imprint.

So, events can still happen when the energy is just right, or not. It's up to us.

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 16:20
Predictions are like prophesy. This is the potential future outcome if we stay on the energetic pathway we are on now. That's all.

Predictions are energetic based and do not follow the Gregorian calendar, which is a construct of the elite power mongers. Energy is the collective manifestation, and it occurs based on the current energetic imprint.

So, events can still happen when the energy is just right, or not. It's up to us.

Well, I have nothing against predictions.

However, I have everything against fixed dated predictions, loaded with fantastic, nonsense and empty claims, made to explore people´s naivety to make money out of their fragile beliefs.

I´m against all kinds of lies and I feel extremely hurt whenever I see goodhearted people falling for any sort of scam.

Since people come here to learn, I really believe we all could learn a lot from this thread.

Anyone who wants to investigate the truth, must uncover all lies first, in order to clear the path.

Cheers,

Raf.

gripreaper
18th May 2012, 16:22
However, I have everything against fixed dated predictions, loaded with fantastic, nonsense and empty claims, made to explore people´s naivety to make money out of their fragile beliefs.

I´m against all kinds of lies and I feel extremely hurt whenever I see goodhearted people falling for any sort of scam.

Cheers,

Raf.

Bingo. Right on, spot on.

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 17:00
-UPDATE-

2011/2012 - 11/11/11 stargate portal: Georgi Stankov, among many others characters, predicted that in 11/11/2011 some sort of portal would be opened.

At the "stargate 11.11.11" this merging of our energy fields with the higher frequency realms would alllow the delegating of our three lower chakras to the energetic field of Gaia and raising one million-fold the intensity of our body fields, thus transforming the old carbon based body into a crystalline light body.

Nothing happened, just like nothing happened at 11/11/0011, 11/11/1111, 11/11/1711, 11/11/1911 and so on. Then, "the initial cosmic plan for the End Time scenario was radically altered. "On February 26, 2012 the decision was taken that the new plan will begin with the last act – the completion of the crystalline grid."

Than, he also predicted that "around full moon (March 8, 2012), we would experience an enormous surge in power in our personal energetic fields. The reason for this will be that around March 8, the crystalline 144-grid, which we helped to build quicker than anticipated after our decision to prolong our soul contacts and stay longer on earth than planned, would be fully implemented and will be boosted to its full power. The crystalline 144-grid would make use of this favourable energetic constellation and its power would be amplified one million times..."

Nothing happened as well.

Forevernyt
18th May 2012, 17:20
Don't forget David Booth.

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 17:24
Don't forget David Booth.

Hey mate, maybe you could give me a hand here? There are so many of these folks out there that I just can´t do it all alone.

Cheers,

Raf.

Forevernyt
18th May 2012, 17:29
Some info on David Booth here:

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/booth.htm

There are also strong claims that David Booth created and writes as Sorcha Faal.

meat suit
18th May 2012, 19:43
ok, not sure if its appropriate to link a prediction here that hasnt yet happened/not happened...
but here it goes:
uncle Tolec of http://www.andromedacouncil.com/page05.html says on 17th may :there is going to be a bit of a show regarding the final destruction of a reptoid undersea base,
see for yourself at the link.
now he also links this page: http://www.cosmicparadigm.com/Athabantian/
extract:
(((Posted on May 17, 2012 by mark
Greeting, my name is Bren-Ton. Those of us aboard Athabantian wish to convey the following.

We believe that a major geological event for your planet may occur within the next few days. It will be centered off the northwestern coast of the United States. It is an event similar to that which ))).......see for yourself...

so, as far as I estimate, nobody here unless they are psychic or have insider information can know wether this stuff will or will not happen...

cheers

meat

Cartomancer
18th May 2012, 19:50
ok, not sure if its appropriate to link a prediction here that hasnt yet happened/not happened...
but here it goes:
uncle Tolec of http://www.andromedacouncil.com/page05.html says on 17th may :there is going to be a bit of a show regarding the final destruction of a reptoid undersea base,
see for yourself at the link.
now he also links this page: http://www.cosmicparadigm.com/Athabantian/
extract:
(((Posted on May 17, 2012 by mark
Greeting, my name is Bren-Ton. Those of us aboard Athabantian wish to convey the following.

We believe that a major geological event for your planet may occur within the next few days. It will be centered off the northwestern coast of the United States. It is an event similar to that which ))).......see for yourself...

so, as far as I estimate, nobody here unless they are psychic or have insider information can know wether this stuff will or will not happen...

cheers

meat

Meat, are you seeing the prediction phenomena as a means of control? I have often thought that. Time after time in the last year we have seen a variety of catastrophic predictions. I have often thought is that they are targeting people who may question or are aware and creating a massive smoke screen. It is to the point that when these predictions are made I start looking for what they are trying to cover up.

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 20:06
Meat, are you seeing the prediction phenomena as a means of control? I have often thought that. Time after time in the last year we have seen a variety of catastrophic predictions. I have often thought is that they are targeting people who may question or are aware and creating a massive smoke screen. It is to the point that when these predictions are made I start looking for what they are trying to cover up.

Hey mate,

In my opinion, this whole prediction phenomenon would end up as a great psychology thesis.

It has become a hysteria epidemic, specially in forums like this.

There are so many reasons why people love predictions:

-People are fascinated with time, while, at the same time, completely lost in it, because the way we perceive time is completely inaccurate. So people always want to know the future.
-One of the greatest mysteries of life is death; people are fascinated with it and love to speculate about it.
-People´s lives are too tedious. They actually don´t want to know the truth; they want to spice their lives with fantastic stories and epic adventures/possibilities.
-Lying to ourselves allow us to be creative and to live in fantasy; the truth is often too uncomfortable.
-etc...

Now, some reasons people make predictions:

-First, because we can´t accept the FACT that we don´t have control over our future, even the next second of our lives.
-Second, because we are always attracted to death and fascinated with the fear of the unknown.
-Then, some people discovered that a lot of money can be made out of predictions, like our friend David Wilcock and many others. People don´t care if the predictions are accurate, as long as they keep them coming...
-Some other persons are simply delusional and actually believe their predictions are accurate.
-Some people are just narcissistic and are always looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
-Others persons might make predictions as part of psy-ops perpetrated by the governments, to keep people alienated from reality.
-etc...

Cheers,

Raf.

meat suit
18th May 2012, 20:07
[Meat, are you seeing the prediction phenomena as a means of control? I have often thought that. Time after time in the last year we have seen a variety of catastrophic predictions. I have often thought is that they are targeting people who may question or are aware and creating a massive smoke screen. It is to the point that when these predictions are made I start looking for what they are trying to cover up.

interesting question Cartomancer, certainly this becomes interesting when you see people become followers of some guru type and stay followers even when the gurus predictions dont come true. it would be a selection process then where only blind gullible types are staying in the cult to be exploited.....

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 20:14
-UPDATE-

2008 - Blossom Goodchild October, 14th 2008, Channelling the GFL:

"We wish it to be understood that on the 14th day of your month of October in the year 2008 a craft of great size shall be visible within your skies. It shall be in the south of your hemisphere and it shall scan over many of your states..."

Blossom’s most recent book “The Bridge” documents the messages channeled to her by the Cosmic Beings known as The Federation of Light. In her most recent encounters with them they have announced that one of their craft will appear in our skies on October 14th 2008 for a period of three days in such a way as to prove to us the existence of other life forms in the Universe. The Federation of Light stress that they come in LOVE to help us and our planet move to a new Higher Vibration of Love. They have asked Blossom to get this message out to as many people as possible…

Never happened...


2008 - end of December:

Lots of UFO's over lots of major cities by prophet Yahweh. Never happened.


2011 - Oct 28 - End of mayan calendar by Carl Calleman:

We have all heard the current ‘popular’ date for the end of the Mayan Calendar – December 21st 2012. But further research led Calleman to claim, after setting some other dates, that the legitimate date for the end of the Mayan Calendar would be October 28th 2011.

I don´t know about the calendar, but nothing happened on that date.

Eram
18th May 2012, 20:25
ok, not sure if its appropriate to link a prediction here that hasnt yet happened/not happened...
but here it goes:
uncle Tolec of http://www.andromedacouncil.com/page05.html says on 17th may :there is going to be a bit of a show regarding the final destruction of a reptoid undersea base,
see for yourself at the link.
now he also links this page: http://www.cosmicparadigm.com/Athabantian/
extract:
(((Posted on May 17, 2012 by mark
Greeting, my name is Bren-Ton. Those of us aboard Athabantian wish to convey the following.

We believe that a major geological event for your planet may occur within the next few days. It will be centered off the northwestern coast of the United States. It is an event similar to that which ))).......see for yourself...

so, as far as I estimate, nobody here unless they are psychic or have insider information can know wether this stuff will or will not happen...

cheers

meat

Meat, are you seeing the prediction phenomena as a means of control? I have often thought that. Time after time in the last year we have seen a variety of catastrophic predictions. I have often thought is that they are targeting people who may question or are aware and creating a massive smoke screen. It is to the point that when these predictions are made I start looking for what they are trying to cover up.

Hi there,

One thing that comes to mind when reading this thread, is that when one invests energy in a prediction, one's point of focus is away from the 'here and now'.
One hangs out of his/hers body so to speak.
Waiting for this event to happen.
This might be the reason for TPTB for showering us with so many predictions.

When we (the people) have our energies invested in predictions that never come true, we have less energy to invest in what really matters, namely, becoming awake.

just a thought...

peace
18th May 2012, 21:23
this is a brilliant idea.

for the record, and i've said this before, nothing happens in 2012.

and this guy is a real genius, whoever wrote this thread should win a medal for most handsome and biggest muscles: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43911-A-prediction-about-Wilcock&p=486504#post486504

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 21:29
this is a brilliant idea.

for the record, and i've said this before, nothing happens in 2012.

and this guy is a real genius, whoever wrote this thread should win a medal for most handsome and biggest muscles: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43911-A-prediction-about-Wilcock&p=486504#post486504

Pease,

For me, it´s proved that Wilcock is a charlatan. He makes a living out of predictions that never happen and has a great record of them to be verified.

However, If someone still wants to believe him after about 15 years of charlatanism, well, I can´t do nothing about it.

Cheers,

Raf.

Kano
18th May 2012, 21:32
I'd like to point out that some of these predictions, if energy is the truest manifestation there is, may be predicted out into the public domain as a way to combat them from happening. A kind of counter-intuitive measure. I'm not saying that's the case with all predictions, but I think that idea needs some credence on this thread.

Thanks for starting this one, Raf.

Kano

RMorgan
18th May 2012, 21:39
I'd like to point out that some of these predictions, if energy is the truest manifestation there is, may be predicted out into the public domain as a way to combat them from happening. A kind of counter-intuitive measure. I'm not saying that's the case with all predictions, but I think that idea needs some credence on this thread.

Thanks for starting this one, Raf.

Kano

Hey mate,

Please, don´t give these folks more ideas! :)

This would be the ultimate excuse for every charlatan in the world, if they start claiming it.

"Oh, I predicted XXXXX ( and earned a lot of money selling my books and dvds) because I knew that a false prediction about XXXXX would actually avoid it to happen!"

It´s not hard to imagine any of those folks saying it, is it? ;)

Cheers,

Raf.

Midnight Rambler
18th May 2012, 21:48
I have learned a new word today, it's "Catastrophobia". Its a phobia for catastrophe and is mostly caused by doomsday prophesy or in a more popular term: fear porn.

Barbara Hand Clow - Hour 1 - Catastrophobia & The Archons (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/03/RIR-120301.php)

This is an excellent interview BTW, definitely worth an hour of your day :)

HORIZONS
18th May 2012, 22:17
Well this sums it up for me --


1 Corinthians 13:8-10:
8 Charity [Love] never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Kano
18th May 2012, 23:10
I'd like to point out that some of these predictions, if energy is the truest manifestation there is, may be predicted out into the public domain as a way to combat them from happening. A kind of counter-intuitive measure. I'm not saying that's the case with all predictions, but I think that idea needs some credence on this thread.

Thanks for starting this one, Raf.

Kano

Hey mate,

Please, don´t give these folks more ideas! :)

This would be the ultimate excuse for every charlatan in the world, if they start claiming it.

"Oh, I predicted XXXXX ( and earned a lot of money selling my books and dvds) because I knew that a false prediction about XXXXX would actually avoid it to happen!"

It´s not hard to imagine any of those folks saying it, is it? ;)

Cheers,

Raf.

I wasn't thinking about it like that. I see what you're saying. However, someone who would put a prediction out there to throw off TPTB's plans (if that was their only purpose for making the claim) I highly doubt would then try to make excuses for why their prediction didn't come true.

I'm all for the exposing of charlatans but just as there are actual black hats posing as white hats, there are white hats posing as black hats. Round and round we go.

Kano

Selene
19th May 2012, 02:43
I perfectly love predictions - they absolutely guarantee me a warm, fuzzy, comfy night's sleep since I can know for certain that the mere publication of a prediction somehow magically guarantees that it will not happen.

I call it "quantum pushback": the universe is perversely creative and will reject the obvious outcome.

I love predictions. Keep 'em coming.

Great list, Raf.

Cheers,

Selene

mosquito
19th May 2012, 04:47
Thank you Raf, This is the tip of the iceberg !!!

Millenialism, (the belief we are in the end days) has been going on for centuries, and is still going on.

Another one for the list ...

1975 - This was the year of armageddon predicted by the Jehovah's witnesses. There was no questioning (I mean, the church leaders just had to be right).

Throughout the 90s, I was a regular subscriber to various new-age type magazines, all of which had "professional" astrologers, all of whom predicted all manner of things, none of which ever materialised ! The excuse cired in previous posts "by making it public, we stopped it from happening" is accompanied by another type of excuse, "the energies/vibrations have changed, but maybe you aren't as sensitive to these things as me", which of course is completely unverifiable !

zenith
19th May 2012, 05:09
Looks like my prediction is still on track. ;)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5766-Predictions-for-2012-2050&p=56128#post56128

dim
19th May 2012, 05:49
I didn't read all of them cause i stuck in the very first one:

"...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
How do we know that's not fulfilled ?
Why is assumed that he is talking about his second coming as we know it ? couldn't he just came back after a while and none noticed but only those meant to ?
"coming in his kingdom" and "my kingdom is not of this world" tie nicely together, couldn't be that some actually did see him ascent or something ?
i don't see a problem here...

Ultima Thule
19th May 2012, 05:51
Alexander Retrov predicted over 10 magnitude earthquakes and complete loss of Van Allen belts and the earth magnetic field and pyrcoclastic clouds and a celestial object that would cover one fifth of the sky and and and... On 26th of September 2011

http://www.2012hoax.org/alexander-retrov
That didn´t go very well.
UT

Healthy Skeptic
19th May 2012, 06:28
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas Watson, president of IBM, 1943

"Television won't be able to hold on to any market it captures after the first six months. People will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night."
Darryl Zanuck, executive at 20th Century Fox, 1946

"Nuclear-powered vacuum cleaners will probably be a reality within ten years."
Alex Lewyt, president of Lewyt vacuum company, 1955

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977

"Almost all of the many predictions now being made about 1996 hinge on the Internet's continuing exponential growth. But I predict the Internet will soon go spectacularly supernova and in 1996 catastrophically collapse."
Robert Metcalfe, founder of 3Com, 1995

"Apple is already dead."
Nathan Myhrvold, former Microsoft CTO, 1997

"Two years from now, spam will be solved."
Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft, 2004

Source:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/155984/the_7_worst_tech_predictions_of_all_time.html

Sorry RMorgan, not 'apocalyptic' predictions, but it shows how one can be completely wrong.

Ol' Roy
19th May 2012, 09:01
Predictions that never happened, what would it hurt to store a reasonable amount of food? Our own Bill Ryan stated the possibilty of solar flares, shut down the grid sytem. Please use common sense. You never know what is going to happen in YOUR community. i.e. ice storms, hail, tornados, earthquakes, and hurricanes. Sorry, off topic, but very important!

Eram
19th May 2012, 09:35
Predictions that never happened, what would it hurt to store a reasonable amount of food? Our own Bill Ryan stated the possibilty of solar flares, shut down the grid sytem. Please use common sense. You never know what is going to happen in YOUR community. i.e. ice storms, hail, tornados, earthquakes, and hurricanes. Sorry, off topic, but very important!

Hi Ol' Roy,

Common sense sure tells us that is couldn't hurt to have a little extra for a rainy day, but where does it end? When do you draw a line?
Common sense also tells us that it might be smart to buy a generator and a few thousand gallons of fuel. Maybe some books for how to grow crops, make your own clothes etc.

You see, the thing is that life is all a dream. We humans create this dream. That's easy to see when you look at all that has been build by humans. Buildings, roads, city's etc. This was all a dream in our minds before it became real through the use of our hands and tools.
All these are created by our conscious minds, but there are also events that are created through our unconscious minds.
I leave it to your imaginations what those might be, but it is easy to recognize that some people always seem to attract bad luck and others good luck.
It would be harder to see that bigger events like earth quakes and economic fall out' s etc. are also created through our unconscious minds and I can imagine that a lot of people feel a great resistance in such a belief.

We all know what happens when a big group of people have the same beliefs about something.
We all heard about praying groups who heal people (joined minds with same belief).
Now when we start piling up foods and resources for a rainy day to come, we add energy to a possible future with catastrophic events in it.
When millions of people start piling up, we are in a sense creating a future that will attract catastrophic events.

What would happen when we start believing that the future has nothing than good for us in store and that we'll be able to cope with whatever it is that will come to us?
What would happen when millions people would do this?

That's my point of view on it.

that being said: I think you're right about being prepared for minor events happening.
Cans of beans, flash lights etc.

Cartomancer
20th May 2012, 18:21
What is a real shame is that if some of these people would frame their theories in the context of giving us the information they have and not going out on a limb like they do it would have more credibility. If Hoagland would simply present the information he has without the predicitons it would still be interesting and topical. Same with Wilcock. Its like they are feeding into getting ratings like a tv show or something.

What is also a shame is that the truth though not as glamorous as some of the stuff we see is far more bizarre and disturbing than any of the Sci-fi we are presented with. Some of my research and writing lends itself to predictions and some media people have prodded me to do that but I refuse and don't even see it anyway. I am constantly asked that though.

I think there are factions within the 'conspiracy' world that try and control it for their own reasons. Some of it is to cover up the truth and other portions of it are to support the load of B.S. they have produced to support their theories. If you really look into the entire concept of the New Age was created by Theosophists and Rosicrucians starting in the late nineteenth century. The entire myths of Lemuria etc. were created out of thin air by people channeling entities. That's o.k. but to dive in and start treating it as fact while it becomes a major cultural force in our society is just weird. "This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius........................................Aq uarius.....................Aquarius." That was from the musical "Hair" in the seventies.

RMorgan
21st May 2012, 16:06
-UPDATE-


2012, May 20th - Reboot the Grid

A powerful beam of Light will emanate from the Galactic Central Sun, descend directly through the Pleiades towards the Earth and will be grounded along the path of totality.

This beam of Light will burn through all obstacles on etheric and astral planes and will strengthen our connection with the Source.

It will burn through all fear programming of negative non-physical entitites and will reboot the energy grid around the planet at the exact moment when the shadow of the Moon will touch the mountaintop of Mount Shasta. After the reboot, we will be able to co-create our spiritual destiny with Light.

Nothing happened so far. If something happens, I´ll gladly remove this post.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45371-REBOOT-THE-GRID-On-May-20th-21st


2012, May 20th- Photon Belt Energy

Similar to Sheldan Nidle´s 1995/1996 prediction about the Photon Belt.

Alcyone (also known as the Central Sun) is right smack in the middle of the photon belt, and we are going to be lined up to Alcyone, our Sun, and the Moon (ring of fire eclipse), which is very cool, and full of weirdness. You can be certain that the energy will nothing short of incredible. This Photon Belt has been outside our solar system for a long time and now it is inside our system, and guess who is feeling it -- YOU!

Photon Light vibrates at a very high frequency and it has a direct impact on our bodies, on our DNA, and on our brain waves (which makes you feel so tired in the middle of the day you think what is happening here). If you keep an eye on SpaceWeather.com you can see the changes to the photon energy every 10 minutes and quite frankly you can feel it increase and then check the website for confirmation (if you want).

I have been told that the May 20th solar eclipse (ring of fire) signifies a 'reboot' for the Multiverse. This reboot is not just a local deal, just little old us, but rather it is a major reboot for the entire Milky Way Galaxy. Thereafter we start a brand new 25,920 year cycle.

This eclipse will intercept important energetic lines (the serpent and dragon lines) on Earth at two locations. One is at Mt Shasta and the other is at Mt Fuji. Those two locations will be charged up with very potent energy, and you'll be right there.

We have to be emotionally prepared for major changes after this eclipse, some natural, and others contrived to put us into a state of intense fear. The duality of the situation is quite interesting. This period of time marks a fantastic opportunity for humans to wake up and get with the plan, while at the same time it marks the perfect time to create intense emotional fear to feed off of.

http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1088:solar-eclipse-pleiadian-alignment&catid=31:kerrys-blog&Itemid=218

Again, nothing happened so far. If something happens, I´ll surely remove this post and publicly apologize for my lack of faith.


2012, May 20th- THE GREAT EARTHQUAKE MAY 20 2012

Accordingly to the interpretation of Nostradamus quatrains, a huge earthquake would happen on that date.

x28_baCbZXM

Nothing happened.

Midnight Rambler
21st May 2012, 16:58
What is also a shame is that the truth though not as glamorous as some of the stuff we see is far more bizarre and disturbing than any of the Sci-fi we are presented with. Some of my research and writing lends itself to predictions and some media people have prodded me to do that but I refuse and don't even see it anyway. I am constantly asked that though.

It seems to me that the "ability" to make a prediction gives off the vibe that someone must be very knowledgeable and so incredibly in the loop that he/she can even foresee the future. When in fact, for me at least, it is then that my alarm bells go off or should I say the BS detector kicks in.

HORIZONS
21st May 2012, 17:28
-UPDATE-


2012, May 20th - Reboot the Grid

A powerful beam of Light will emanate from the Galactic Central Sun, descend directly through the Pleiades towards the Earth and will be grounded along the path of totality.

This beam of Light will burn through all obstacles on etheric and astral planes and will strengthen our connection with the Source.

It will burn through all fear programming of negative non-physical entitites and will reboot the energy grid around the planet at the exact moment when the shadow of the Moon will touch the mountaintop of Mount Shasta. After the reboot, we will be able to co-create our spiritual destiny with Light.

Nothing happened so far. If something happens, I´ll gladly remove this post.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45371-REBOOT-THE-GRID-On-May-20th-21st


2012, May 20th- Photon Belt Energy

Similar to Sheldan Nidle´s 1995/1996 prediction about the Photon Belt.

Alcyone (also known as the Central Sun) is right smack in the middle of the photon belt, and we are going to be lined up to Alcyone, our Sun, and the Moon (ring of fire eclipse), which is very cool, and full of weirdness. You can be certain that the energy will nothing short of incredible. This Photon Belt has been outside our solar system for a long time and now it is inside our system, and guess who is feeling it -- YOU!

Photon Light vibrates at a very high frequency and it has a direct impact on our bodies, on our DNA, and on our brain waves (which makes you feel so tired in the middle of the day you think what is happening here). If you keep an eye on SpaceWeather.com you can see the changes to the photon energy every 10 minutes and quite frankly you can feel it increase and then check the website for confirmation (if you want).

I have been told that the May 20th solar eclipse (ring of fire) signifies a 'reboot' for the Multiverse. This reboot is not just a local deal, just little old us, but rather it is a major reboot for the entire Milky Way Galaxy. Thereafter we start a brand new 25,920 year cycle.

This eclipse will intercept important energetic lines (the serpent and dragon lines) on Earth at two locations. One is at Mt Shasta and the other is at Mt Fuji. Those two locations will be charged up with very potent energy, and you'll be right there.

We have to be emotionally prepared for major changes after this eclipse, some natural, and others contrived to put us into a state of intense fear. The duality of the situation is quite interesting. This period of time marks a fantastic opportunity for humans to wake up and get with the plan, while at the same time it marks the perfect time to create intense emotional fear to feed off of.

http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1088:solar-eclipse-pleiadian-alignment&catid=31:kerrys-blog&Itemid=218

Again, nothing happened so far. If something happens, I´ll surely remove this post and publicly apologize for my lack of faith.


2012, May 20th- THE GREAT EARTHQUAKE MAY 20 2012

Accordingly to the interpretation of Nostradamus quatrains, a huge earthquake would happen on that date.

x28_baCbZXM

Nothing happened.

I wouldn't call it the Great Earthquake, but it was not fun for those involved - could be just the perspective of the observer.
VxVumabJljw

Arpheus
21st May 2012, 17:39
Drake and company will soon be joining your list my friend,thats my humble opinion anyway.

sdv
22nd May 2012, 13:30
Drake and company will soon be joining your list my friend,thats my humble opinion anyway.

Should already be on the list? Come on - you can't make a prediction with a specific date and then keep moving the date.


I wouldn't call it the Great Earthquake, but it was not fun for those involved - could be just the perspective of the observer.

I keep a watch on earthquake activity and there are dozens happening every day all around the world, and usually at least a handful of 5 magnitude and over. Nope, this qualifies as a failed prediction.

I was in Bologna in 2008 and am very saddened by the earthquake. What a lovely city and what a wonderful week I had there.

Camilo
22nd May 2012, 20:31
I predict people on this forum will continue speculating about this kind of predictability.

sigma6
29th May 2012, 16:32
Former US Army Major Ed Dames was a participant in the government's Stargate Project to determine the existence of psychic abilities -- you know, like The Men Who Stare at Goats -- but although the project was shut down for lack of evidence, that hasn't stopped Dames from trumpeting his ability to see ("remote view")


I don't think it was stopped for lack of evidence, it probably went dark. It is now being taught by one of the professors that developed the technology with Ingo Swann, Prof Michael Persinger. Unfortunately, even though he is an American University Professor with over 30 years tenure, he has been 'situated' in a University (Laurentian University) in a remote part of Northern Canada. (Where is he probably safe from putting himself in danger of being horizontalized.) It is interesting that he is openly lecturing on the science/research behind this phenomena, albeit to 'brain dead' students (as most uni students are, especially the undergrads) in the middle of nowhere, still fascinating though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l6VPpDublg

778 neighbour of some guy
29th May 2012, 16:47
-UPDATE-

This one was pretty fun to watch, I must confess. A perfect example of collective hysteria:

2011- Steve Beckow selected about a hundred people that would be leaving Saturday, Feb. 4, 2012, to board the Neptune, the mothership of Grener of Ashira, from Neptune, the President of the Intergalactic Council, for a 10-day tour of the fleet and a trip to another planet. They would be returned on Feb. 14 (or sooner if people had other obligations). Of course, It didn´t happen but, unbelievably, many people believed it, as you can see in this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39800-100-people-invited-to-go-to-mothership-Steve-Beckow

Cheers,

Raf.

Man o man, this one was so funny, i really felt for the people going for this, but a pity no ET stretch limos to pick them up, ( damn gas prices eh).

9eagle9
29th May 2012, 22:05
Geez the world has ended a lot. No wonder none of us can seem to get anything accomplished.

Excellent Thread Raf, takes a lot of digging (and marveling) to find out just how many end of the world/change of the world scenarios we've had.

Just keeps repeating over and over .

And the definition of insanity, Einstein is....

9eagle9
29th May 2012, 22:11
I had a thread where I made five predictions and in a matter of 24 hours they all happened.

Most people were pissed about the predictions coming to pass rather than enlightened..he he..and people preferred to forget about the whole thing.

People want stories not real.


This thread reminds me, has anyone ever thought about putting up some kind of reputation based website so that we can keep track of who makes what prediction, so that a clear, impartial record of people's successes and failures within the alternative community can be tracked? It'd sure be helpful to someone new if they can see who's likely to be a charlatan (by a long history of failed predictions) versus someone who might be the real deal.

mountain_jim
23rd July 2012, 16:07
Here's a prediction (indulge me the channeled source) that hopefully does not happen but we will know in a couple of weeks....

excerpts from the Montague Keen channel - 7/22/12. Hopefully this adds to the results in this thread of 'never happened' predictions.

Now up to the prediction bat, Montague Keen (channeled through his widow)

http://www.galacticchannelings.com/english/montague22-07-12.html



Knowledge is power, and sharing knowledge is essential at this time of great turmoil and change. The Cabal is searching for ways to keep you in the hypnotic slumber from which you are awakening. At the conference you attended, yesterday, you heard some of the most awake and aware people, who devote their lives to serving mankind. Their work is vital and must be brought to the attention of as many as possible. It is a team effort. Every assistance must be given to enable the message to get to everyone. The contacts you made will assist in opening eyes to what the psychopaths who "rule" your world are planning. It is, after all, their last chance to take over and create their New World Order.

They see the Olympics in London as their gateway to the New World Order. They intend to create mayhem; to create such FEAR that the people will agree to almost anything in order to feel safe. This is a TRAP. It is the same old formula: it worked on 9/11, it worked on 7/7.

This is THE BIG ONE. It is their last chance to create the New World Order that they have planned and worked towards for so long. They will try to use Project Bluebeam, fake spaceships; in fact, everything in their arsenal in this, their final attempt, to take over your world.

They failed to take your awakening into account. This is why they are now putting a more deadly fluoride into your water; the water that many of you drink, bathe, and wash your hair in. It is in the ice in your drinks, in the beer, and almost everything you consume. You need to protect yourselves and your families from this deadly assault on all of you. Have you given permission or agreed to this poison? Were you ever asked to okay it? It is a crime against humanity.

.....

Nothing happens by chance. It was planned that the Olympics would be held in London so that their dramatic take-over would happen there. They never intended that the so-called "fiasco" of the security firm would come to light. They always intended to use troops to control the masses. As usual, the puppets just carry out their orders – the same people who come to you to ask for your vote, and who make promises that they know full well they will never fulfill. Why do you continue to trust them to do what is right for you? Their allegiance is to the Cabal and always will be.

You can trust only those who have devoted their lives to bringing the truth to your attention. People such as David Icke, Ian R Crane, Brian Gerrish, and the many others who travel all over the world to share their truth.
...

Your friends from other planets have created a crop circle with the date of 4th August on it. It is a date when things could happen. You know that, together with the other beings, we have been successful in preventing an attack on Iran. We will continue to do our best to prevent this atrocity.

Rahkyt
23rd July 2012, 16:21
Let's really, really hope that one's a failed prediction, MJ.

RMorgan
23rd July 2012, 16:56
Let's really, really hope that one's a failed prediction, MJ.

Let´s hope it doesn´t happen indeed, my friend.

This thread helps confirming one thing, anyway. Statistically, if it´s predicted, it probably wont happen.

By the time I created this thread, I was thinking about pointing direct (not vague, not subjective) predictions that actually came to happen as well, but I couldn´t find any.

Also, all the biggest recent disastrous events took us by surprise; no one formally predicted them.

So, if this London Olympics predictions actually happen, which would be terrible, it would be an extremely rare exception. It´s possible, of course, but very very very unlikely.

Raf.

RMorgan
5th August 2012, 16:57
Hey folks,

Here´s another one for our collection. :)

Some folks analyzed some crop circles and deducted that alien disclosure would happen at August 4th 2012, possibly during the Olympic games.

http://the2012scenario.com/2012/07/disclosure-events-moving-fast/

Threads about it:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47937-FIRST-CONTACT-at-Olympics-Aug-4th-

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47883-BREAKING-Supposed-Act-of-Disclosure-Big-Event

Nothing happened, again.

Cheers,

Raf.

Ultima Thule
27th August 2012, 04:48
A moon sized object being closest to earth from 17th August 2012 to 26th and causing havoc.
Not actually a real prediction, but a sort of whistleblower testimony that didn´t quite make it.

And nothing happened in regards to Montague Keens "big one" in the olympics.


UT

SilentFeathers
27th August 2012, 12:54
Library of Date Setters of
The End of the World!!!
Over 200 predictions and counting!
Yes the end is coming, but all human predictions are wrong!
http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm

Hervé
20th September 2012, 04:12
[...]... I was thinking about pointing direct (not vague, not subjective) predictions that actually came to happen as well, but I couldn´t find any.

[...]

Raf.

Although his predictions had to do with the, then to be, French royal successions, the accuracy and sequence of his predictions kept happening one after the other...

His name?

Jacques de Molay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_de_Molay) while burning at the stake on 18 + 1 March 1314 at the tip of the island in Paris where "Notre Dame" stands today.

Of course, that was called a "curse" making such things more effective than "predictions" in people's mind and to keep in accordance with the witch hunts of those days.

RMorgan
22nd December 2012, 18:43
21/12/2012

Nothing happened, at least nothing abnormal, as people were expecting.

Ascension didn´t happen; The end of the world didn´t happen.

Time to move on and learn to live with the idea that no one can predict the future.

Will we learn the lesson this time?

A LOT of people were conned BIG time on this one; Will we allow it to happen again?

KiwiElf
23rd December 2012, 05:11
Cool thread Raf,
Is there more info on the earlier tie-in to Hoagland's 1999 "announcement" and the X-Files Season opener? (End of your post #6 at 1999). The series premiered in 1993 so I'm guessing it was implying the start of the X-Files 7th Season?

RMorgan
23rd December 2012, 14:12
Cool thread Raf,
Is there more info on the earlier tie-in to Hoagland's 1999 "announcement" and the X-Files Season opener? (End of your post #6 at 1999). The series premiered in 1993 so I'm guessing it was implying the start of the X-Files 7th Season?

Hey Mate,

No, I don´t. I believe I collected this info from somewhere on the web and, since the thread is old, I don´t remember where.

You may find something about it on Google. I think he made this prediction during a radio interview with Art Bell.

Raf.

KiwiElf
23rd December 2012, 22:00
No worries mate - just wondering what on Earth (or off it) the correlation was? LOL
Cheers ;)

wobbegong
30th October 2013, 03:35
Another prediction gone wrong, by Cartomancer: ;)


I predict this thread will be a huge success. I'm going out on a limb here..............Great idea Raf. I am going to be watching what is going on here and enjoying the list you provided.

No, this thread is not going be a success, simply because people want to believe! People just want it, nothing else matters.

Cheers,

Raf.

Since we keep receiving new predictions, I thought that bumping this thread might be a beneficial exercise. I also want to give Cartomancer's prediction a never-too-late boost;)

KiwiElf
30th October 2013, 05:16
What was that line from the X-Files?... "The best way to predict the future, is to invent it..."

The minute you put it "out there", it will change. Why? Because you have a group of people at one end of the spectrum who act on the belief to make it happen, versus a group of people at the other end of the spectrum who actively make sure it doesn't happen, (and everything in between), for what ever reason.

An audience, (including forums like this), becomes a testing ground - a form of "feedback" for trends and beliefs. Put scenario "A" out there, and if there's enough support it will probably happen. If not, then you get "B" or "C". (and maybe that's what "they" wanted you to choose/believe in the first place by putting "A" out there!) ;)

My case in point, any of the "reporters" out there like Fulford, Wilcock, Duff, etc.

How much we collectively create that reality (in simple terms, for or against), possibly goes a long way to deciding the outcome or accuracy of the prediction.

ie, you want "A" to happen, you actively believe "A" will happen and you act on that belief, or

you want "A" to happen, but you really believe "B" will happen and you subconsciously doubt that "A" will happen.

See the difference?

Doubt in this case, is a 100% belief in a negative outcome. ;)

Vitalux
30th October 2013, 07:19
Isn't it all just television for those addicted to fear :pop2:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/cringe.gif

KiwiElf
30th October 2013, 07:56
Isn't it all just television for those addicted to fear :pop2:



... or hope :)

Sidney
30th October 2013, 09:35
Hi again folks,

I´ve just found a website that collects some more predictions, from all sorts, and confirm if they happened or not:

http://skepticproject.com/articles/predictions/

Cheers,

Raf.

That site is filled with disinformation. There is an entire page (or more) of chemtrails and all the harm that comes from them including morgellons etc. debunking chemtrails. My BS meter went ding ding ding ding ding. I guess thats why they call it the skeptic project. But its seriously filled with bad information IMO.

RMorgan
30th October 2013, 13:18
That site is filled with disinformation. There is an entire page (or more) of chemtrails and all the harm that comes from them including morgellons etc. debunking chemtrails. My BS meter went ding ding ding ding ding. I guess thats why they call it the skeptic project. But its seriously filled with bad information IMO.

The predictions part is quite accurate. They're not inventing it.

You can track each of them individually, google them if you will, so you'll see they indeed were real and didn't happen.

As for debunking chemtrails...Yes, there are real ones, but most images and videos available are actually of contrails, as discussed here numerous times. The fact is, there's no accurate method to visually distinguish chemtrails from contrails, and people get confused about what is what. Anyway, chemtrails do exist.

Anyway, as the author of this thread, I'd like to ask people to stick to posting predictions that didn't happen, not criticism and thoughts about the nature of predictions themselves, etc...
Raf.

Snowflower
30th October 2013, 13:28
RAF, I don't know how old you are, but I am 65. Why is it important? Because I am old enough to remember actual, real contrails. In fact, I saw one just a couple of weeks ago and pointed it out to my husband. Look!, I said, there's a contrail! That's how rare they are now. My brother and I used to lie on our backs and bet on "our" contrail - which one would last the longest as they snaked across the sky. They seldom remained visible to get from one horizon to the other.

I think I have seen 3 or 4 contrails this year. The vast majority of all jet vapor trails are chemtrails. No, the videos and images are NOT contrails.

Sidney
30th October 2013, 14:04
That site is filled with disinformation. There is an entire page (or more) of chemtrails and all the harm that comes from them including morgellons etc. debunking chemtrails. My BS meter went ding ding ding ding ding. I guess thats why they call it the skeptic project. But its seriously filled with bad information IMO.

The predictions part is quite accurate. They're not inventing it.
Hi Raf, with all due respect, i agree on the predictions part that site. However, you linked that site, and I have every right to comment on the content, regardless of who created the thread. your statement of "
You can track each of them individually, google them if you will, so you'll see they indeed were real and didn't happen.

As for debunking chemtrails...Yes, there are real ones, but most images and videos available are actually of contrails, as discussed here numerous times. The fact is, there's no accurate method to visually distinguish chemtrails from contrails, and people get confused about what is what. Anyway, chemtrails do exist.

Anyway, as the author of this thread, I'd like to ask people to stick to posting predictions that didn't happen, not criticism and thoughts about the nature of predictions themselves, etc...
Raf.

Raf, with all due respect, yes the predictions part of that site has accurate information. That said, you linked that site, and anyone here has the right to comment or critique the contents of a posted site, regardless of who created the thread. Your statement of "but most images and videos available are actually of contrails," is not only an open ended one, but in my opinion totally false. We will have to agree to disagree. You linked that site on THIS thread, therefore my commenting on that site is not off topic. If they are going to print disinformation on one topic, you have to discern that anything else printed on that site loses credibility.

RMorgan
30th October 2013, 15:02
This is not a chemtrail thread, ok? There are a lot of very interesting chemtrail threads around here, though. If anyone is interested, we could proceed with chemtrail discussion in one of those threads, or even open another one.

I'd appreciate if we could stay on topic, please. I'm just asking.

:focus:

Raf.

778 neighbour of some guy
30th October 2013, 15:33
Hi again folks,

I´ve just found a website that collects some more predictions, from all sorts, and confirm if they happened or not:

http://skepticproject.com/articles/predictions/

Cheers,

Raf.

That site is filled with disinformation. There is an entire page (or more) of chemtrails and all the harm that comes from them including morgellons etc. debunking chemtrails. My BS meter went ding ding ding ding ding. I guess thats why they call it the skeptic project. But its seriously filled with bad information IMO.

Hm, that almost sounds like there is NO disinfo on THIS site, Avalon is just as filled with disinfo as any other site imo, I have no clue how many things have been debunked here, but that's just because I have not counted, Avalon makes my BS meter go ding ding ding all the time too and it made me highly skeptic of stuff posted on the forum, too many times I fell for the wild stuff only to come to the conclusion nothing happened, it was make belief, fairy tales, attention whoring, 15 minutes of fame, practical joking, making a quick buck, riding the current hype, a mindf@ck or just plain good old @ssholery.

Can you say.......... Drake, sh!tzillion dollar fraudsuit, Keshe, Brockbrader, space limousines, John Kettler ( the man that speaks like a very very bored automaton), Fulford, Wilcock, Charles, 2012, green eggs and ham, the Russian alien book ( dear god, please no), the GFL ( Gullible Fraudulent Lardmasters), Zagami, and who was that man/woman/woman/man thing who told you to bury your trailer, need I say more?

Heartsong
30th October 2013, 16:56
Just a side note...
There is perhaps the illusion that hope would spring from disaster. And this is why people are looking for a monumental event.
The widespread fascination with doomsday scenarios stems from disappointment and lack of control and general helplessness.

Perhaps some are under the illusion that if there were to be an earth changing event, lives would change and people would have purpose. No matter how painful, tragedy and loss of life would affirm individual/societal humanity.

People would have to survive, construct, and re-create. They would strive to control their immediate environs and build community. They would be again invested in life. Vitalization.

Sidney
30th October 2013, 18:55
Hi again folks,

I´ve just found a website that collects some more predictions, from all sorts, and confirm if they happened or not:

http://skepticproject.com/articles/predictions/

Cheers,

Raf.

That site is filled with disinformation. There is an entire page (or more) of chemtrails and all the harm that comes from them including morgellons etc. debunking chemtrails. My BS meter went ding ding ding ding ding. I guess thats why they call it the skeptic project. But its seriously filled with bad information IMO.

Hm, that almost sounds like there is NO disinfo on THIS site, Avalon is just as filled with disinfo as any other site imo, I have no clue how many things have been debunked here, but that's just because I have not counted, Avalon makes my BS meter go ding ding ding all the time too and it made me highly skeptic of stuff posted on the forum, too many times I fell for the wild stuff only to come to the conclusion nothing happened, it was make belief, fairy tales, attention whoring, 15 minutes of fame, practical joking, making a quick buck, riding the current hype, a mindf@ck or just plain good old @ssholery.

Can you say.......... Drake, sh!tzillion dollar fraudsuit, Keshe, Brockbrader, space limousines, John Kettler ( the man that speaks like a very very bored automaton), Fulford, Wilcock, Charles, 2012, green eggs and ham, the Russian alien book ( dear god, please no), the GFL ( Gullible Fraudulent Lardmasters), Zagami, and who was that man/woman/woman/man thing who told you to bury your trailer, need I say more?

LOL- Hey Neighbor, you made me laugh. You do tell it like it is. You are absolutely right. There is disinfo everywhere, even here. But excuse me, you are telling me theres no green eggs and ham??? :(

Point well taken. I will admit, and say out loud, that I am sensitive regarding the debunking of chemtrails because I live in an area where we are bombarded regularly. It is undeniable. And seeing the neysaying in writing just pushes my buttons..
But all that said, when ever I see the debunking of chemtrails, I will always speak up. Raf, maybe in Brazil there are no chemtrails? or not many? In the US, it is a terrible problem, daily.

Please, know, I meant no disrespect towards Raf, of his thread.:focus::focus::tea:

lunaflare
30th October 2013, 22:01
chemtrails=real

rgray222
31st October 2013, 00:27
I know that Mother Shipton has been mentioned here but did not see the actual prophesy

A 16th-century British prophetess named Mother Shipton supposedly wrote that the world would end in 1881, although the publisher of said prophecy, one Charles Hindley, later admitted he made the whole thing up to sell more books. That didn't stop Scottish astronomer Charles Piazzi Smyth from finding "clues" in the Great Pyramids of Giza indicating the world would indeed end in 1881.


Mother Shipton's Greatest Prophesy

"Carriages without horses shall go,
And accidents fill the world with woe.
Around the world thoughts shall fly
In the twinkling of an eye.
The world upside down shall be
And gold be found at the root of a tree.
Through hills man shall ride,
And no horse be at his side.
Under water men shall walk,
Shall ride, shall sleep, shall talk.
In the air men shall be seen,
In white, in black, in green;
Iron in the water shall float,
As easily as a wooden boat.
Gold shall be found and shown
In a land that's now not known.
Fire and water shall wonders do,
England shall at last admit a foe.
The world to an end shall come,
In eighteen hundred and eighty one."

778 neighbour of some guy
31st October 2013, 01:35
Mother Shipton's Greatest Prophesy

"Carriages without horses shall go,
And accidents fill the world with woe.


Cars.


Around the world thoughts shall fly
In the twinkling of an eye.

telegraph, telephone, internet, fax.


The world upside down shall be
And gold be found at the root of a tree.

? Start of the goldrush?


Through hills man shall ride,
And no horse be at his side.

Bicycles ( tour de France?), motorcycles.


Under water men shall walk,
Shall ride, shall sleep, shall talk.

Submarines.


In the air men shall be seen,
In white, in black, in green;

Military pilots.


Iron in the water shall float,
As easily as a wooden boat.

Well, obviously ships were made out of metal.


Gold shall be found and shown
In a land that's now not known.

?


Fire and water shall wonders do,
England shall at last admit a foe.

Steam engines, dunno about the foe.


The world to an end shall come,
In eighteen hundred and eighty one."

1881, many events happened in 1881, a lot quite significant actually, many of them could be viewed as the end of the world, ( as they knew it due to technological progress, the sentence reads 'to AN end, what sort of end it does not specify).


So, was mother Shipton made up or was it just the end of the world part that was made up, if it was just the end of the world part that was made up, mother Shipton herself didn't do to bad at all imo even if it was all made up, someone has got a nice peep into the future in the sixteenth or eighteen hundreds .

Bill Ryan
1st November 2013, 13:58
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The End of the World 2012, by JoyCamp. Highly recommended! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSgshJwUMNg