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Carmody
2nd June 2012, 04:04
We are between two eclipses... and a 'Venus over sun' transit is going to occur within the completion of the eclipse cycle.

The energies of the sun.. via a Venus filter, like a colored glass... are going to be lensed and focused.... upon this earth.

Venus will be fired, sounded.. like a reed in the mouth of a horn, right at the earth.

Keep your awareness up, people!


It's getting interesting out there.

Don't let this important cycle be sideswiped by negative energies.

As it appears to be a ...situation that is attempting to happen, like it always does.

Interference, using the energies of the unaware, who will be among the sideswiped and the bamboozled.

It is happening in the sign of Gemini. Loki, the trickster, is afoot.

Vigilance and observation, meditate, or at least...think of it a bit, every now and then, during this cycle.

in temporal order, the set up is reversal , going back over the psychic depths of existence (Neptune retrograde)..

Eclipse in the TIME of Gemini, but sign of Sagittarius, for strong emotional intensification of two states/directions, one open, one hidden. We are getting a Sagittarian directive in intensities, but while the earth is in the 'space' of Gemini. (this is not a standard astrological interpretation, it is my own, regarding the issue of a Gemini setting for a Sagittarian eclipse)

Venus (in Gemini - light and dark) squares mars (in Virgo).. for a sideways shifting conflict between Venus and mars (love and passion)..and..

then Venus focusing the energies of the sun, upon the earth. the Venus transit across the sun. ..while still strongly under the influence of the Venus square mars transit...while being driven by the emotional intensification of a Sagittarian eclipse, set in Gemini.

it's all fine, though... it can do what it is supposed to do. And that will work best if one is aware, not sleeping, concerning the given coming wave and it's shape. Get yer sea legs up and workin'.


This is an intense dance, with strong emotions and hidden components.

Vigilance and awareness will be required.

Neptune Retrograde
(Rx until Nov 10-11, 2012) June 4 03:09 degrees Pisces 5:03 pm est 2:02 pm pst

Total Lunar Eclipse
Full Moon June 4 14:14 degrees Sagittarius
Subtle hidden quests for truth 7:12 am est 4:12 am pst


Venus square Mars June 4 Venus Gemini, Mars Virgo 8:28 pm est 5:28 pm pst

Venus Transit across Sun June 5-6 Visible Pacific on evening of June 5 Rare: - Last event was June 8, 2004, Not seen again until 2117 and 2125. Previously in 1769, 1874, and 1882. Emphasis of the Divine Feminine. 9:09 pm est 6:09 pm pst

ghostrider
2nd June 2012, 04:49
all you females will be a bit more aware and emotional than normally. go easy on your partner/kids/friends/ anyone in the line of fire .

ulli
2nd June 2012, 04:52
Great insights there, Carmody.

One also needs to remember, the planets are always neutral,
it is ourselves who have to direct the energies provided.
Get a vision of what we want, collectively....

We can then ride the wave towards the shore or trash about in it.
This is where true mastery and creativity comes in.

gripreaper
2nd June 2012, 05:07
Going to be one hell of a month


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eLj7dlgmEt0

Guest
2nd June 2012, 05:07
Be mindful and go within

And

As a friend of mine would say

Love Love Love

Nora

PurpleLama
2nd June 2012, 10:39
I was going to say in ulli's thread, how dreams will tell you everything, if you are willing to listen and give attention to them. Then, here I am, seeing good ol' Carmody speaking in astrological terms but conveying the same message as the dreams I woke from a short while ago that were prompting the initial statement. Nice.

Kindred
2nd June 2012, 11:30
I second Ulli's comments!... And Nora's!

All is in flux...

First we need to Awaken... THEN, Change will Happen.

I Strongly Feel the passage of Venus Will Be the Awakening.

BE the Change we wish to see in the World (Gandhi)


In Unity, Peace, and LOVE

[A thread suggesting these Changes... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44893-Message-for-Humanity-2012-Light-Channels-World-Movement]

ulli
2nd June 2012, 11:33
Woke up at 4:44. Bird song louder than ever.
There had been an attempt to disturb me during the night,
around 1 am, but I was protected.
I could feel Jorr's powerful presence, protecting me. Totally amazing. Awesome.
This is going to be quite a ride, the next few months.
His passing was timely. We need someone like him on the other side.
Maria will be consoled in ways she never expected, sending energies her way now.

Lifebringer
2nd June 2012, 11:33
I went through that yesterday. A sudden clarity on an issue that was totally unnoticed by my mate.

Lifebringer
2nd June 2012, 13:55
My nieces boyfriend had such a vivid dream that when he woke up, he looked behind and around him. He said he was being told to get the baby and her to the "ship" to be beamed up and although he had done so, he can't remember why, only that he was not on board and he then relaxed in all this, and stated more to himself or another being next to him, "at least Ebony and the baby are safe."
A lot of clairvoyance runs in this family, and my nephew is somehow attached or in touch with very deep contact from within on the good side of protection of the family and preparedness for something 2012ish, yet wonderful if you get through it.

We've all known and out of the mouths/minds of babes? God is moving in on the wrongs of the world, but He also helps those, who help themselves in the name of good in life.

Bumpy ride?
You Betcha!
Hold tight and remain truthful to yourselves and do unto others AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.

Love your brothers and sisters of this Earth as one Human family of God, under the Divine judgement and protection of God and His Heavenly Son Jesus and Host of associates and Angels.

RUSirius
2nd June 2012, 14:03
all you females will be a bit more aware and emotional than normally. go easy on your partner/kids/friends/ anyone in the line of fire .

Thanks for the heads up, I believe you, I'm seeing it already with my family, especially the females, trying to keep the peace and unity in the house. However with the challenges we are facing as a family, we are still together, stronger, and moving forward, thank you.

Eram
2nd June 2012, 14:05
Keep your awareness up, people!

Thanks Carmody,

I used this one for a little kick in my b*tt.
Kinda needed that!

http://www.funnytreat.com/pictures/animals/Wake-Up.jpg

Carmody
2nd June 2012, 17:06
There is a prelude to the thing that is beginning now,and that is an alignment, a transit of:

Mercury trine Saturn June 3, 2012 Mercury in Gemini, Saturn in Libra, at 9::09 pmEST and 6:09 pm PST. Those times are when the given alignment peaks.

But, it is being felt now. In the same way you can hear a noise around a corner, before the source of the noise comes around the corner..well, this is similar. The 'peak' moment or time is at that stated time.

Mercury, the mind, also the twins, duality, dark and light, hidden and open, is in good aspect to Saturn, the dark sun, the great limiter, and also father time, if you will.

To give you a good idea, Saturn is the planet that was put in place of Christ, when the Romans decided to hi-jack Christianity and make it a pagan celebration.

They laid one on top of the other. Open and hidden.

So what we call Christ's birthday, is actually the feast of saturnalia, in roman times. Those are the kinds of energies that we are dealing with.

No wonder, that as a child, I always felt that Christmas was the strangest **** I ever saw. It felt...off. the drunken part, I could understand..but the rest? No. It felt like.... something else....

so, this alignment of Saturn and Mercury comes as a peak, tomorrow,and even today, in some areas (as it is the 3rd of June, in some places, already)

Just thought of it: Yello, Flag(album):

2CDKmlP4zEo


3rd Of June

This is the third of June, 1988
A highly unimportant day
Some airplane gliding into one of the bigger clouds over Manhattan
In a downtown far away, Mr. Toomy, our face in a crowd
The city was slow and tired
The Wall Street boys wearing their ties around their neck
Like boxer's towels after a fight
Mr. Toomy stopped his pinstripe suit outside a barber shop
Looked at his face, took off his jacket and stepped on it

Who's that, what's that, what do you mean
I'll never know where I lost my dream
Who's that, what's that, gimme your name
Third of June, end of game

No looking to the right
No looking to the left
Lenny is a target and always on track
Lenny is a target and nobody shoots
Lenny is a target lost the route
Ruins of a child's old fantasy
Ruins of a child was [?]
Lenny is a target and nobody shoots
Lenny is a target lost the route

Who's that, what's that, what do you mean
I'll never know when I lost my dream
Who's that, what's that, gimme your name
Third of June, end of game

Mr. Toomy stopped his pinstripe suit outside a barber shop
Looked at his face
Took off his jacket
Put it on the pavement
Stepped on it
And started preaching like a monk from another world
After some minutes, he had a little crowd
Which disappeared when a police car passed by slowly
Like rolling gloom
And Mr. Toomy throws his voice 'til he was the only one in the area
At this early night of June 3rd, 1988

Who's that, what's that, what do you mean
I'll never know when I lost my dream
Who's that, what's that, gimme your name
Third of June, end of game

gripreaper
2nd June 2012, 17:26
When energy increases, not just the amount, but the speed of the oscillations, it pushes against our chakras, and any stagnant energy we have stuck there due to outmoded beliefs, get's vibrated and awakened. This causes us to have to face our issues which are coming up for review, and many will choose not to, label these experiences as some form of insanity, and try to block and stop the movement of this energy, which will just cause disease.

Those who have done the work clearing their chakras will feel this energy as a sort of Kundalini awakening, and if they do have any residual blocked energy in their chakras, will most likely be able to work through that with ease, and not attach to it with any particular outcome.

Suffice it to say, the controllers are doing everything they can to supply archetypes to attach to, and to take advantage of and explain this, so that they can vampire the energy and consume it as to them, this is one of the biggest feasts and harvests they have ever seen.

The rest of us, unite in unity consciousness and bring the vision of a new paradigm of unity, as creators in sovereignty, showing that victimhood is dead, and self determination and power from within is what is real. We all need to let go of all of the savior myths and victimhood.

Yes, it is slated to be a wild ride if we focus on all the old structures collapsing, and judge them as negative, when if fact this is a necessary part of transformation, for new growth to occur and fill that void. I choose to see it as glorious and exciting. No more "status quo" as far as planets and the universe is concerned.

ulli
2nd June 2012, 17:52
When energy increases, not just the amount, but the speed of the oscillations, it pushes against our chakras, and any stagnant energy we have stuck there due to outmoded beliefs, get's vibrated and awakened. This causes us to have to face our issues which are coming up for review, and many will choose not to, label these experiences as some form of insanity, and try to block and stop the movement of this energy, which will just cause disease.

Those who have done the work clearing their chakras will feel this energy as a sort of Kundalini awakening, and if they do have any residual blocked energy in their chakras, will most likely be able to work through that with ease, and not attach to it with any particular outcome.

Suffice it to say, the controllers are doing everything they can to supply archetypes to attach to, and to take advantage of and explain this, so that they can vampire the energy and consume it as to them, this is one of the biggest feasts and harvests they have ever seen.

The rest of us, unite in unity consciousness and bring the vision of a new paradigm of unity, as creators in sovereignty, showing that victimhood is dead, and self determination and power from within is what is real. We all need to let go of all of the savior myths and victimhood.

Yes, it is slated to be a wild ride if we focus on all the old structures collapsing, and judge them as negative, when if fact this is a necessary part of transformation, for new growth to occur and fill that void. I choose to see it as glorious and exciting. No more "status quo" as far as planets and the universe is concerned.

And the old structures are collapsing, no doubt about it.
From empires and monarchies to fascism and communism,
to republics and democracies, and maybe even anarchy.

But some structures will be needed to replace the old ones...
we will still need infra structure. We will still need government.
So who will be making those decisions after the old boy's club has been dismantled?

risveglio
2nd June 2012, 18:03
And the old structures are collapsing, no doubt about it.
From empires and monarchies to fascism and communism,
to republics and democracies, and maybe even anarchy.

But some structures will be needed to replace the old ones...
we will still need infra structure. We will still need government.
So who will be making those decisions after the old boy's club has been dismantled?

Two questions

1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?
2. Why will we still need government? I see government as the cause of most of our problems for at least the past 2500 years.

PurpleLama
2nd June 2012, 18:11
Two questions

1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?
2. Why will we still need government? I see government as the cause of most of our problems for at least the past 2500 years.

1. Healthy glands are associated with relatively clear chakras. I recommend taking Atomidine.
2. Who the hell knows? :)

http://heritagestore.com/categories/cayce/atomidine-2oz-liquid.html

bearcow
2nd June 2012, 18:14
1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?

spend time in heavily wooded areas. if you breath vigorously while in a balanced environment, you will also start to come into balance.

ulli
2nd June 2012, 18:24
Two questions

1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?
2. Why will we still need government? I see government as the cause of most of our problems for at least the past 2500 years.

1. I studied Gurdjieff books. I learnt to observe myself, while doing my daily routine. My thoughts, posture, emotions. My awareness was still on the "world", the way it normally would be, but I included my own being in there somewhere. Normally, when people look at what is going on in a room they forget that they themselves are in there, too. Just like everyone else. A normal mortal.
That's how the work starts...the awakening to reality...it is a discipline. Observing reality.
After a while fantasizing becomes less and less, and meditative states while sitting quietly become easier. All that awareness makes self government easier.

2. Government. Just as the self needs to learn to dress themselves, feed themselves, take care of themselves, so a larger group needs to do the same.
Roads need to be built and maintained, security, health services, education, commerce...all of that needs to be organized or totally selfish gangs take over. Maybe even use extortion, demand protection moneys, like the Mafia, etc.
So the people need to pick leaders who represent them and have their best interest at heart.
If governments have failed the people it is because the people have not been vigilant enough
about checking that those leaders did the job they were elected to do.
Instead the people have trusted and lived in the delusion that all was taken care of,
and gradually corruption set in. By the time the people woke up it was too late to do anything about it.
So the people turned over and went back to sleep some more...even deeper this time.
Now the leaders have even more free reign to do what they want.
It has been a process...

But even though I sound like I blame the people in reality I do sympathize.
An isolated family or individual has little recourse against a corporate body who behind closed doors conspire and consult,
and who have the cleverest sociologists, artists, psychologists at their disposal to put the people into an even deeper sleep, including slavery.
Turning them into energy producing batteries like in the first Matrix movie.

The thing is, even if there is a revolution and the people get their power back- unless there is a change of heart and the new leaders are truly ethical and even spiritual
nothing will change.
Humans need to wake up and see the bigger picture, the greater design.

ulli
2nd June 2012, 18:32
1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?

spend time in heavily wooded areas. if you breath vigorously while in a balanced environment, you will also start to come into balance.

Very true. Not always possible for someone who lives in a city.
I am fortunate to live in the country.
But in my view even looking at forests on Youtube can help.
Also music...the kind that is uplifting spiritually.

Kindred
2nd June 2012, 19:15
But some structures will be needed to replace the old ones...
we will still need infra structure. We will still need government.
So who will be making those decisions after the old boy's club has been dismantled?

I'll suggest that, upon Unity Consciousness, WE will begin to make the necessary 'decisions' Together...
Also, we don't necessarily 'need' government... think about it... what Does 'gov't' do? Not much truly...
It is simply a control system, Over the 'creators' aka Workers who do the Actual Work.
What do our politicians do all day? They Talk, 'negotiate' and Pontificate... they don't do Any True Work. They are useless 'middlemen'.

The Workers generally know when and what Needs to be Done and How... and, if they have access to Knowledge of 'what' needs to be done, Without the 'controllers' aka 'politicians' - when We become the controllers via Consensus - then Organization becomes Universal.

At least that's one theory!

I'll also offer that, in that piece by Light Channels, it is suggested that We will be given the assistance we need for this 'transition'... and, I'll further suggest that there will be Many who can 'step-up' and offer their expertise when and where it's needed.

I have Great confidence that, as long as we remain Peaceful and Unified, there will be little that cannot be surmounted.

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

onawah
2nd June 2012, 19:24
The following link that I just posted should probably be merged into this thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45918-Venus-Between-Us-The-June-2012-Transit-Richard-Giles&p=499869#post499869

leavesoftrees
2nd June 2012, 23:20
Research shows that exercise in a park is better for the individual than exercise in a gym because the interaction with nature has a rehabilitative effect ...


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/doctors-orders-gentle-medicine-in-the-park-20120601-1znbr.html#ixzz1wgH4oEHW




1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?

spend time in heavily wooded areas. if you breath vigorously while in a balanced environment, you will also start to come into balance.

Very true. Not always possible for someone who lives in a city.
I am fortunate to live in the country.
But in my view even looking at forests on Youtube can help.
Also music...the kind that is uplifting spiritually.

Carmody
2nd June 2012, 23:31
A small ionizer, to get the negative ions. This can help tremendously.

Keep it clean, keep it turned on low, so it produces low levels of ozone. Keep it clean so it produces less ozone.

Forests are producers of negative ions.

This will also keep the particulate level low in the given environment, as it causes the particulate to clump together and fall to the ground (the negative charge in the air does it).

The given enclosed city environment will feel fresher, be fresher and feel almost invigorating. Just like the forest. One might notice, that the city only feels good after a spring rain or similar, when there is little wind. Just right after, and then, it's gone again. It is the low particulate count and the negative ions which are doing that. This came about due to the rain.

That's not all of it, but it is a good bit of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser

I've got an ionizer that I can keep on low, at almost any time. I lucked out and found it at a decent price, otherwise I'd never have such a great unit. Like horsepower in car motors, there is no substitute for cubic inches. The same here. There is no substitute for cartridge size on an ionizer. That way you get low speed, high ionization and low ozone production, in a long lasting, easy to service unit. Mine is rated at being able to service 3000 sq ft of floor area. Here is an image of the cartridge. This unit/model is used in hospitals.

Yes, that is R.L. Burnside down there, for visual size relation.

risveglio
2nd June 2012, 23:43
Two questions

1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?
2. Why will we still need government? I see government as the cause of most of our problems for at least the past 2500 years.

1. I studied Gurdjieff books. I learnt to observe myself, while doing my daily routine. My thoughts, posture, emotions. My awareness was still on the "world", the way it normally would be, but I included my own being in there somewhere. Normally, when people look at what is going on in a room they forget that they themselves are in there, too. Just like everyone else. A normal mortal.
That's how the work starts...the awakening to reality...it is a discipline. Observing reality.
After a while fantasizing becomes less and less, and meditative states while sitting quietly become easier. All that awareness makes self government easier.

2. Government. Just as the self needs to learn to dress themselves, feed themselves, take care of themselves, so a larger group needs to do the same.
Roads need to be built and maintained, security, health services, education, commerce...all of that needs to be organized or totally selfish gangs take over. Maybe even use extortion, demand protection moneys, like the Mafia, etc.
So the people need to pick leaders who represent them and have their best interest at heart.
If governments have failed the people it is because the people have not been vigilant enough
about checking that those leaders did the job they were elected to do.
Instead the people have trusted and lived in the delusion that all was taken care of,
and gradually corruption set in. By the time the people woke up it was too late to do anything about it.
So the people turned over and went back to sleep some more...even deeper this time.
Now the leaders have even more free reign to do what they want.
It has been a process...

But even though I sound like I blame the people in reality I do sympathize.
An isolated family or individual has little recourse against a corporate body who behind closed doors conspire and consult,
and who have the cleverest sociologists, artists, psychologists at their disposal to put the people into an even deeper sleep, including slavery.
Turning them into energy producing batteries like in the first Matrix movie.

The thing is, even if there is a revolution and the people get their power back- unless there is a change of heart and the new leaders are truly ethical and even spiritual
nothing will change.
Humans need to wake up and see the bigger picture, the greater design.

Thanks, I will check out the Gurdjieff books. As someone leaning towards Voluntarism, I can not agree that we need government. I see the elimination of the concepts of needing government as the only possible way for us to move out of our cages but I can be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

ulli
2nd June 2012, 23:53
Two questions

1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?
2. Why will we still need government? I see government as the cause of most of our problems for at least the past 2500 years.

1. I studied Gurdjieff books. I learnt to observe myself, while doing my daily routine. My thoughts, posture, emotions. My awareness was still on the "world", the way it normally would be, but I included my own being in there somewhere. Normally, when people look at what is going on in a room they forget that they themselves are in there, too. Just like everyone else. A normal mortal.
That's how the work starts...the awakening to reality...it is a discipline. Observing reality.
After a while fantasizing becomes less and less, and meditative states while sitting quietly become easier. All that awareness makes self government easier.

2. Government. Just as the self needs to learn to dress themselves, feed themselves, take care of themselves, so a larger group needs to do the same.
Roads need to be built and maintained, security, health services, education, commerce...all of that needs to be organized or totally selfish gangs take over. Maybe even use extortion, demand protection moneys, like the Mafia, etc.
So the people need to pick leaders who represent them and have their best interest at heart.
If governments have failed the people it is because the people have not been vigilant enough
about checking that those leaders did the job they were elected to do.
Instead the people have trusted and lived in the delusion that all was taken care of,
and gradually corruption set in. By the time the people woke up it was too late to do anything about it.
So the people turned over and went back to sleep some more...even deeper this time.
Now the leaders have even more free reign to do what they want.
It has been a process...

But even though I sound like I blame the people in reality I do sympathize.
An isolated family or individual has little recourse against a corporate body who behind closed doors conspire and consult,
and who have the cleverest sociologists, artists, psychologists at their disposal to put the people into an even deeper sleep, including slavery.
Turning them into energy producing batteries like in the first Matrix movie.

The thing is, even if there is a revolution and the people get their power back- unless there is a change of heart and the new leaders are truly ethical and even spiritual
nothing will change.
Humans need to wake up and see the bigger picture, the greater design.

Thanks, I will check out the Gurdjieff books. As someone leaning towards Voluntarism, I can not agree that we need government. I see the elimination of the concepts of needing government as the only possible way for us to move out of our cages but I can be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

I think the word "government" may need a closer definition.
No government means no roads, no highways.
No public education.
No more tap water.
No more garbage collection.
No more fire fighters.
No hospitals other than private clinics.
No social security for the elderly.
No funding for public projects.
No museums.
No airports.
No more bridges to cross rivers.
No public transportation.
How would such a world work for you?

risveglio
3rd June 2012, 00:15
Two questions

1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?
2. Why will we still need government? I see government as the cause of most of our problems for at least the past 2500 years.

1. I studied Gurdjieff books. I learnt to observe myself, while doing my daily routine. My thoughts, posture, emotions. My awareness was still on the "world", the way it normally would be, but I included my own being in there somewhere. Normally, when people look at what is going on in a room they forget that they themselves are in there, too. Just like everyone else. A normal mortal.
That's how the work starts...the awakening to reality...it is a discipline. Observing reality.
After a while fantasizing becomes less and less, and meditative states while sitting quietly become easier. All that awareness makes self government easier.

2. Government. Just as the self needs to learn to dress themselves, feed themselves, take care of themselves, so a larger group needs to do the same.
Roads need to be built and maintained, security, health services, education, commerce...all of that needs to be organized or totally selfish gangs take over. Maybe even use extortion, demand protection moneys, like the Mafia, etc.
So the people need to pick leaders who represent them and have their best interest at heart.
If governments have failed the people it is because the people have not been vigilant enough
about checking that those leaders did the job they were elected to do.
Instead the people have trusted and lived in the delusion that all was taken care of,
and gradually corruption set in. By the time the people woke up it was too late to do anything about it.
So the people turned over and went back to sleep some more...even deeper this time.
Now the leaders have even more free reign to do what they want.
It has been a process...

But even though I sound like I blame the people in reality I do sympathize.
An isolated family or individual has little recourse against a corporate body who behind closed doors conspire and consult,
and who have the cleverest sociologists, artists, psychologists at their disposal to put the people into an even deeper sleep, including slavery.
Turning them into energy producing batteries like in the first Matrix movie.

The thing is, even if there is a revolution and the people get their power back- unless there is a change of heart and the new leaders are truly ethical and even spiritual
nothing will change.
Humans need to wake up and see the bigger picture, the greater design.

Thanks, I will check out the Gurdjieff books. As someone leaning towards Voluntarism, I can not agree that we need government. I see the elimination of the concepts of needing government as the only possible way for us to move out of our cages but I can be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

I think the word "government" may need a closer definition.
No government means no roads, no highways.
No public education.
No more tap water.
No more garbage collection.
No more fire fighters.
No hospitals other than private clinics.
No social security for the elderly.
No funding for public projects.
No museums.
No airports.
No more bridges to cross rivers.
No public transportation.
How would such a world work for you?

That is untrue, you can have all those things without "government". Especially roads, highways, tap water, garbage collection, fire fighters, museums, airports, and bridges. I think that fallacy that we need government to have these things is part of the programming by the PTB.

Carmody
3rd June 2012, 00:21
It sounds like a translational issue, more than anything.

Govern can have more than one meaning.

'Govern' in the proper context that we'd like to see it used, is to husband, or Shepard those aspects of societal function and grease/gears.

'Govern', in some people's minds... means king or lord -- over that of peasant or serf.

It is a word, don't give it too much power over the self - via it's reflection.

Odds are, both of you are probably close to agreement on this, once the issue and it's smoke is cleared, surrounding definition. But in the end, it is only a word, not the thing itself. And even the thing itself is not really much more or less than that word. More reflection.

ulli
3rd June 2012, 00:46
Two questions

1. How does someone who can't "relax" and has no meditation experience learn to clear his chakras?
2. Why will we still need government? I see government as the cause of most of our problems for at least the past 2500 years.

1. I studied Gurdjieff books. I learnt to observe myself, while doing my daily routine. My thoughts, posture, emotions. My awareness was still on the "world", the way it normally would be, but I included my own being in there somewhere. Normally, when people look at what is going on in a room they forget that they themselves are in there, too. Just like everyone else. A normal mortal.
That's how the work starts...the awakening to reality...it is a discipline. Observing reality.
After a while fantasizing becomes less and less, and meditative states while sitting quietly become easier. All that awareness makes self government easier.

2. Government. Just as the self needs to learn to dress themselves, feed themselves, take care of themselves, so a larger group needs to do the same.
Roads need to be built and maintained, security, health services, education, commerce...all of that needs to be organized or totally selfish gangs take over. Maybe even use extortion, demand protection moneys, like the Mafia, etc.
So the people need to pick leaders who represent them and have their best interest at heart.
If governments have failed the people it is because the people have not been vigilant enough
about checking that those leaders did the job they were elected to do.
Instead the people have trusted and lived in the delusion that all was taken care of,
and gradually corruption set in. By the time the people woke up it was too late to do anything about it.
So the people turned over and went back to sleep some more...even deeper this time.
Now the leaders have even more free reign to do what they want.
It has been a process...

But even though I sound like I blame the people in reality I do sympathize.
An isolated family or individual has little recourse against a corporate body who behind closed doors conspire and consult,
and who have the cleverest sociologists, artists, psychologists at their disposal to put the people into an even deeper sleep, including slavery.
Turning them into energy producing batteries like in the first Matrix movie.

The thing is, even if there is a revolution and the people get their power back- unless there is a change of heart and the new leaders are truly ethical and even spiritual
nothing will change.
Humans need to wake up and see the bigger picture, the greater design.

Thanks, I will check out the Gurdjieff books. As someone leaning towards Voluntarism, I can not agree that we need government. I see the elimination of the concepts of needing government as the only possible way for us to move out of our cages but I can be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

I think the word "government" may need a closer definition.
No government means no roads, no highways.
No public education.
No more tap water.
No more garbage collection.
No more fire fighters.
No hospitals other than private clinics.
No social security for the elderly.
No funding for public projects.
No museums.
No airports.
No more bridges to cross rivers.
No public transportation.
How would such a world work for you?

That is untrue, you can have all those things without "government". Especially roads, highways, tap water, garbage collection, fire fighters, museums, airports, and bridges. I think that fallacy that we need government to have these things is part of the programming by the PTB.

So why don't you tell me how it is to be done? Maybe your idea of government is better than mine.
By the way, when I think of government I am not thinking of a bunch of corrupt congressmen.
Nothing to do with the PTB.

risveglio
3rd June 2012, 01:08
So why don't you tell me how it is to be done? Maybe your idea of government is better than mine.
By the way, when I think of government I am not thinking of a bunch of corrupt congressmen.
Nothing to do with the PTB.

Well I am no expert and there is a lot better information out there on a Voluntarist society and I could not do it justice. For me it is new and just where my current belief lies. I just see government as a middle man that usually takes more than its fair share, picks winners and losers and always grows into corruption. Government, at least in its current form, pits people against each other for its own gain.

Carmody is probably right and this is just a matter of communication but there are plenty examples of private roads, bridges, museums, and garbage collection that seems to do a far better job than what is done by the state. There are also plenty of towns, at least here in the US with volunteer firemen and ambulance services.

Here is a quick introduction to Volutaryism, I struggle with it myself at times and find myself playing devil's advocate for and against since I find that to be the best way for me to come to a conclusion. As I said, I could be wrong, but I am not aware of a war that was not started by a government.
AETHY9SuxEc

ulli
3rd June 2012, 01:47
This is very good. I had never heard of it. I wasn't thinking in terms of the present system either.
Anyway, those who serve the community do so in the spirit of service. That is the ideal. And I firmly believe that after the current crisis has ended a new generation of people will arise and do such service gladly.
This current period will be remembered as a warning to future generations.
Life goes on.
All is well.

Paul
3rd June 2012, 04:17
The following link that I just posted should probably be merged into this thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45918-Venus-Between-Us-The-June-2012-Transit-Richard-Giles&p=499869#post499869

Related, but different focus of threads. I'm happy to leave things as they are, with your link connecting the two threads.

Anam Cara
3rd June 2012, 06:58
For those interested here is a lovely meditation opportunity for the full moon and the Venus transit. I love this chamber for the high frequency I feel in it. It's free to join.

GCI Care Focus: Current and Archived
GCI Care Focus: June 2012 Full Moon Synchronized Care Focus

http://www.glcoherence.org/participate/care-focus-current-and-archived.html

Kindred
3rd June 2012, 12:42
Government, at least in its current form, pits people against each other for its own gain.

Carmody is probably right and this is just a matter of communication but there are plenty examples of private roads, bridges, museums, and garbage collection that seems to do a far better job than what is done by the state. There are also plenty of towns, at least here in the US with volunteer firemen and ambulance services.

Here is a quick introduction to Volutaryism, I struggle with it myself at times and find myself playing devil's advocate for and against since I find that to be the best way for me to come to a conclusion. As I said, I could be wrong, but I am not aware of a war that was not started by a government.
AETHY9SuxEc

Thank you risveglio! I had seen this a while ago and thought it a great teaching, but had forgotten all about it. I'll offer that this idea of Voluntaryism is as old as humanity itself. It is how our ancestors, millennia ago, organized themselves. Self-sufficiency was the rule, and we helped one-another as needed. Communities were smaller and, thus, everyone had greater autonomy with a resultant increase on interdependency, as everyone filled a needed skill for the community as a whole. In this instance, it can be seen that smaller is better.

However, the 'modern' idea of 'gov't', truly came from the basic idea of 'monarchy' - a ruling class, and servile class, most recently developed and implemented in Europe. This basic concept evolved, via the emergence of 'democracy' particularly through the creation of the Republican idea of the United States, to the point, now, that we think of ourselves as a 'Democracy'. In truth, 'democracy', in it's full form, is a very negative form of gov't, as the majority (51%) basically rules Over the minority, sometimes quite severely. That is why the US was instituted as a Republic, using democratic means to elect leaders. However, the Autonomy of Individuals was sacrosanct, and the foundation of this concept. This started changing in recent times, where leaders were harping on the idea that the US was a 'democracy', and of late, we began attacking countries to 'instill democracy'. I could go on, but I feel this video is particularly succinct in offering a better view of this concept (somewhat long, but the first 10 minutes or so offer a basic outline);


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

ulli
3rd June 2012, 13:01
I saw clearly what he is speaking about. Colletivism can also be termed: "running the entire planet from one office".
And there are a lot of people who have that goal.
Many years ago I saw a book in German, where someone had published letters written between Marx and Engels, or was it Hegel...
anyway, the line about running the world from one office was in there, and it was used by Marx, in a rather cynical and nasty context,
of first deceiving the people to believe that they are in charge, and then taking over.
Later I became aware of more conspiracies, and the term CCC was then being used. CCC stood for the Capitalist Communist Conspiracy.

I should make it clear that when I speak of government I am not thinking of Washington DC at all...
thinking more in terms of how a small village can organize itself...
in other words, the ideal blueprint of government, at the grassroots level.
More like a Native American tribe. Consultation and a fair decision-making process.
With no hidden powers scheming behind the scenes.

Kindred
3rd June 2012, 14:14
I should make it clear that when I speak of government I am not thinking of Washington DC at all...
thinking more in terms of how a small village can organize itself...
in other words, the ideal blueprint of government, at the grassroots level.
More like a Native American tribe. Consultation and a fair decision-making process.
With no hidden powers scheming behind the scenes.

Exactly!
This is the model I suggested in my post. It is Also the model, with an extension to a national level, that is offered as an example in Thiaoouba Prophecy, as in the case of Mu.

Democracy, based on Integrity of the Individual with the Well-being of the Community foremost. This concept being the foundation of any public servant's role, WITHOUT REMUNERATION (No Money). Everything is done for the Betterment of the Society, with the focus of the Individual's sanctity as well as the Spiritual and physical well-being of said individual at the core.

I won't belabor this point... I would hope the benefits of this model are self-evident.

In Unity, Peace and LOVE

Carmody
3rd June 2012, 22:18
My thoughts in the matter are:

The problem comes when we get to the density where the town is big enough that there are persons you don't recognize.

This is the breeding ground for reflective narcissistic (politics) (STS overcomes STO)... and sociopathy.

Thus, common sense, empathy and compassion, via connection... disappear into LAW.

As I said in another thread..this seems to happen right around the 10,000 population mark/point, in a isolated grouping. If NOT isolated, the number happens at a lower population, simply due to capacity to easily move about and loose familiarity with one's neighbors and compatriots.

Below that population point, people will tend to band together, above that, it begins to move toward some level of disintegration, that enforced law is required or used as social cement. This, concerning human beings at their current level of development and integration.

When seriously high levels of population erupt, the association and empathic connection is lost..fear/unknown/unknowing/unfamiliarity/'defense mode thinking' becomes the base form of analysis... and people become subjectively objectified - in each other. Law is the real cement at that point, in most cases, due to the overwhelming aspects of how people run their lives like an emotionally driven automaton.

The human population, in most ways, runs itself like a predictable animal herd of a sort - regarding large groups.

ulli
3rd June 2012, 22:35
I agree completely. The other thing that means egos are involved is when you have people running for office and campaigning.

The best thing is to have the entire village elect their leaders via plurality vote.
Knowing who the brightest lights are by having plenty of social activities then each member of such community can have a shot at a nine name ballot.
Secret ballot. No corruption.
If a community elects idiots they only have themselves to blame.
Those who get the most votes then run the municipality. Like a board of directors. To execute the decisions they make they appoint committees.
This is the essence of the Bahai revelation by the way, to serve as a blueprint to a future society.

wavydome
3rd June 2012, 23:09
Lovely talk here, thanks. My curiosity is why should the human-to-land-ratio exist period? What is scarcity all about? This all might well indicate we are the midst of heavy-duty schooling system experience. Where in fact the bigger (current events/ real world) societal systems could crash. Due to the oppressive ingredients of our lessons. To provoke us students with apparently needed stimulation. To design and build worthy models. Models that actually are filled with all the little and big features of a workable, livable life.

Perhaps to feel better about the current dilemma, we can just suppose that this school like dream will have a wakeup coming (soon?). We need all the prep we resonate with. In order to wake up or 'graduate' in the next phase. Or is it a next phase, each to there own type of phase after this phase. Not necessarily to be hordes into cramped world conditions again, full of psychopaths or AIs gone beserk. To lay out what we learned in this life. Perhaps to carry along the hard earned inspiration and stimulation form earth. Take these things to our next existence.

Ernie Nemeth
3rd June 2012, 23:11
Was it Arthur C Clark who stated that once a city reaches 1,000,000 in population, chaos reigns? Could have been Asimov...

ulli
3rd June 2012, 23:25
Lovely talk here, thanks. My curiosity is why should the human-to-land-ratio exist period? What is scarcity all about? This all might well indicate we are the midst of heavy-duty schooling system experience. Where in fact the bigger (current events/ real world) societal systems could crash. Due to the oppressive ingredients of our lessons. To provoke us students with apparently needed stimulation. To design and build worthy models. Models that actually are filled with all the little and big features of a workable, livable life.

Perhaps to feel better about the current dilemma, we can just suppose that this school like dream will have a wakeup coming (soon?). We need all the prep we resonate with. In order to wake up or 'graduate' in the next phase. Or is it a next phase, each to there own type of phase after this phase. Not necessarily to be hordes into cramped world conditions again, full of psychopaths or AIs gone beserk. To lay out what we learned in this life. Perhaps to carry along the hard earned inspiration and stimulation form earth. Take these things to our next existence.

Since we don't know for sure what the big picture really is all about we can only guess.
My guess is that other civilizations do exist and this planet has a specific role to play within that spectrum.

IOW, if you have a city street with a variety of buildings, each with a purpose of it's own,
such as shopping mall, opera house, restaurant, etc. and one of those buildings is a gym,
then that is where planet Earth fits in. Earth is the gym of the galaxy.
For soul building.
Just as you build muscle in a gym, you come to Earth to build a soul.

Unfortunately the security is not quite 100% and so some come here thinking it is a restaurant and think we are to be eaten.

wavydome
3rd June 2012, 23:48
Unfortunately the security is not quite 100% and so some come here thinking it is a restaurant and think we are to be eaten.

For me and i surely don't hold others to it... For me this might be the sort of energy which is normally used in schools. Like the rewards of good grades or the punishments for being the class fool. (Me ;-) Or the carrots, and the sticks, bread and circuses, big box mall, etc....

After all humans gorge themselves upon other life forms. In such a manner, usually by omission of inspecting each and every detail, of the being which later becomes human food. Or the being which is obliterated by irresponsible and destructive beings. Or specifically certain power-possessing beings who could work to correct the errant beings, but instead promote them to higher offices. Is this a harmonious condition for being existence? To preside over or to profit from lopsided modern systems-- By means of the "the pocket book" or the shopper's responsibility, is each person properly responsible in this world? Did we make due efforts to suitably adjust our lives of many years now?


I sort of wonder about this in the background of each decision.

Carmody
4th June 2012, 01:26
To give you an idea, I just ate a piece of chicken meat, from a barbequed chicken.

I did that... when I know better. which means the karmic weight is higher.

If I had done it in a state of innocence as to what I'm doing, then it would a decision and activity..fraught with..nothing.

Which is the problem for many of the top level elites.

They know better.

And there is no way out for them, unless they turn the corner --completely. Utterly.

If not.... we will meet in the Bardo, and they will be, shall we say....moved.

Then... what is of no use to evolution, will be... uhm... moved into being a neutral base level state. Lovingly. compassionately, carefully so.

But it will be done.

wavydome
4th June 2012, 08:11
I did that... when I know better. which means the karmic weight is higher.


Forgive me, as a recovering human analyzing the cover of comforts....

Are we victimized by our habituated comfort food models?
Will we ever self-habituate improved comfort models?
Or hunger for a nutritional/nutraceutical model?

Are we stuck with bridges of stoicism?
Or can we evolve a love to obviate comfort covers?

ulli
4th June 2012, 09:19
I did that... when I know better. which means the karmic weight is higher.


Forgive me, as a recovering human analyzing the cover of comforts....

Are we victimized by our habituated comfort food models?
Will we ever self-habituate improved comfort models?
Or hunger for a nutritional/nutraceutical model?

Are we stuck with bridges of stoicism?
Or can we evolve a love to obviate comfort covers?

Good questions.
Not going to work for a perfectionist, though.
For a perfectionist only stoicism remains in the end, and not even bridges.

I wish I had enough authority to say, 'Carmody, you are forgiven. The chicken said so'.

conk
4th June 2012, 14:06
Carmody, I've always admired your intellectual acumen, but to learn you're a fan of RL Burnside....:note::rockon::note:

I have small lamps made of red salt. They emit negative ions. I'm hoping that by keeping one close to me at all times I'm getting some benefit. Too small to be effective?

Carmody
4th June 2012, 14:37
My thoughts in the matter are:

The problem comes when we get to the density where the town is big enough that there are persons you don't recognize.

This is the breeding ground for reflective narcissistic (politics) (STS overcomes STO)... and sociopathy.

Thus, common sense, empathy and compassion, via connection... disappear into LAW.

As I said in another thread..this seems to happen right around the 10,000 population mark/point, in a isolated grouping. If NOT isolated, the number happens at a lower population, simply due to capacity to easily move about and loose familiarity with one's neighbors and compatriots.

Below that population point, people will tend to band together, above that, it begins to move toward some level of disintegration, that enforced law is required or used as social cement. This, concerning human beings at their current level of development and integration.

When seriously high levels of population erupt, the association and empathic connection is lost..fear/unknown/unknowing/unfamiliarity/'defense mode thinking' becomes the base form of analysis... and people become subjectively objectified - in each other. Law is the real cement at that point, in most cases, due to the overwhelming aspects of how people run their lives like an emotionally driven automaton.

The human population, in most ways, runs itself like a predictable animal herd of a sort - regarding large groups.

Now, when we get into projection, when we get to those levels of fear projection, it can create collectively risen golems or tulpas.

Golems/tulpas are based or residual energies of the interface to the duality, the body/ego. At first they can seem friendly but eventually they turn and feed on fears and negative emotions..as they are 'unknowns' to us and as a reflection, below the conscious state. They are more intelligent but in an animal direction, which is the intelligence and temporal capacities of our true higher self, but reflected via our autonomous animal door or autonomous body functions. And they have access, in an animal/violent/compassionless/STS(in the extreme) way.

once you realize you have created them, they must feed on fears, the deepest autonomous mechanisms inside of us, designed to keep the avatar safe, these fears..they need to then turn and feed on fears to remain an animated projection. to keep 'a shape'. this is why tulps/golems are good at first, then turn nasty.

They have to feed on fears, as at that point, for you will try to dissolve them, so they move to fear, as fear is near the root of the avatar autonomous system, the last, deepest place it can hide, and remain as a projected reflection.

If you remain ignorant of the mechanism, you can't get rid of it,and your fears feed it. Thus the last thing the collective and individual golem/tulpa desires is for you to be in the knowing.

Same for the STS people who naturally gravitate toward it. Their projected power arises in the same moment of the city/state arising, due to population density and other factors. they step into the gap of ignorance..and manipulate from there.

The people that are infected by the desire to rule are all STS and sociopath, low empathy, more reptilian brained.

Recall the experiments in meditation about monks meditating in DC and dropping the crime rate. And so on. There are reams of material, that all fits.. in that direction. All of it fits.

Now, we are creators of reality, we can do amazing this with this space, besides ourselves being imbedded into this 3d reality matrix. But the autonomous function of the body..., when we get to that approximate 10,000 people or so, with regard to the size of cities, we give rise to a collective tulpa/golem based on our collectively enhanced fears and energetic coupling.

If you go back in history..and put the low empathy sociopathic STS persons in the situation of working with those energies (the opportunity arises for them, due to population density), you get cities, law, people run by fears..and a collective golem/tulpa.

Does that sound familiar? Go back those thousands of years...and look at the times when we finally arose to that approximate mass where people finally did not recognize each other, with regard to the sizes of the 'permanent' settlements.

When did this thing we deal with today, when and how, and under what conditions did it arise?

We get the rise of the collective golem/tulpa, controlled by the STS people....which they have given a name and we get all else associated with it. the trick is to keep us then ignorant of the how, the what....and what to do, to cancel it out.

And that's all it is ---and ever was.

Carmody
4th June 2012, 15:01
Carmody, I've always admired your intellectual acumen, but to learn you're a fan of RL Burnside....:note::rockon::note:

I have small lamps made of red salt. They emit negative ions. I'm hoping that by keeping one close to me at all times I'm getting some benefit. Too small to be effective?

According to a bit of a story that I heard from a reliable source, there may be problems with the salt lamps. I'm not sure. I'll ask again what the story is, and maybe get more clarity.

As for RL, who wouldn't be? I'm a fan of all good music. RL's earliest works (the disc pictured) are really something else, though.

Flash
4th June 2012, 19:11
From Carmody: We get the rise of the collective golem/tulpa, controlled by the STS people....which they have given a name and we get all else associated with it. the trick is to keep us then ignorant of the how, the what....and what to do, to cancel it out.


This is the question demanding an answer (in bold).

This Golem/tulpac things seems so true to me. Are they the same as those "formes pensée" that we create collectively, as seen in some south eastern teachings? Are the "formes pensée" a precursor to the Golem? (from other description Golem seems to be still more materialised).

When travelling to a new city, I usually can sense the city just by putting my foot out of the plane (as long as the airport in very near of in the city). It is a kind of vibration, I call it the City song, that has an impact on me and tells me how light,, or heavy, or condensed the thinking/feeling/living is around. Although this may as well be linked with geomagnetic conditions of the place, I always felt it was more linked with the thinking/feeling patterns of the collectivity living there. I could litterally describe main cities I have been in with those terms. I now wonder if I am tapping into the City's main golem.

But the question remains, once the first step of accepting the fact that we create absolutely everything of our environment, individually and collectively, (which is quite difficult to accept to start with, i.e. full responsibility), what do we do to cancel the golem. And its STS surroundings. Collective cleansing???

ulli
4th June 2012, 19:54
From Carmody: We get the rise of the collective golem/tulpa, controlled by the STS people....which they have given a name and we get all else associated with it. the trick is to keep us then ignorant of the how, the what....and what to do, to cancel it out.


This is the question demanding an answer (in bold).

This Golem/tulpac things seems so true to me. Are they the same as those "formes pensée" that we create collectively, as seen in some south eastern teachings? Are the "formes pensée" a precursor to the Golem? (from other description Golem seems to be still more materialised).

When travelling to a new city, I usually can sense the city just by putting my foot out of the plane (as long as the airport in very near of in the city). It is a kind of vibration, I call it the City song, that has an impact on me and tells me how light,, or heavy, or condensed the thinking/feeling/living is around. Although this may as well be linked with geomagnetic conditions of the place, I always felt it was more linked with the thinking/feeling patterns of the collectivity living there. I could litterally describe main cities I have been in with those terms. I now wonder if I am tapping into the City's main golem.

But the question remains, once the first step of accepting the fact that we create absolutely everything of our environment, individually and collectively, (which is quite difficult to accept to start with, i.e. full responsibility), what do we do to cancel the golem. And its STS surroundings. Collective cleansing???

Interesting. I always had those same ideas about cities and their individual identities.

The golem is not real, it is lifeless, so to cancel it we just create the new infra structure of the world we wish to see.
We each direct our energy to where we perceive growth momentum of something good that we think will stand the test of time.
I believe there is no other way. It will take our mind off dead thought forms.
The same goes for the victims. They need to embrace a healthy and wholesome life style and really, really commit to letting go the ancient memories of suffering.
It is over.
I will take my advice here. I never shared my memories here, and even though they got triggered I am now ready to dump them for good. Thank you, Houman, and everyone.
This is a new day. Birds are singing.