Jesse Ventura

[jimmer]

a while ago, I like you checked out the 2012 end-of-the-world talk.
I concluded that it was a lot of nothing.
today, I watched this 6 part show.
lots of expert opinions say that 2012 is for real.
I'm not a big jesse ventura fan, but after watching, I now have reservations
about this whole 2012 thing.

if you haven't seen this, check it out and what do you think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOWWIDT910I

[LindyLou22]

Don't you just love how the word "conspiracy" is always followed by "theory." There are never any real conspiracies, only theories.

[jimmer]

it could be trutv and the production company covering themselves from lawsuits.
"it's only a theory."

that said, what do you think about the claims that the sun is going to KO
the national power grids with chaos ensuing?
or is it another year 2000 year myth?

[Snowbird]

a while ago, I like you checked out the 2012 end-of-the-world talk.
I concluded that it was a lot of nothing.
today, I watched this 6 part show.
lots of expert opinions say that 2012 is for real.
I'm not a big jesse ventura fan, but after watching, I now have reservations
about this whole 2012 thing.

if you haven't seen this, check it out and what do you think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOWWIDT910I

Jimmer, thanks for posting this video series. There is a lot of research that JV puts into his programs. Some of it is hype, but the bottom line of this series is that the American taxpayers are paying billions for something that we will never be able or allowed to partake.

I've recently heard that our calendar is off by almost one year and that we may be experiencing 2012 in 2011. I don't live in a state of fear concerning this. It may very well be real.

My preparation is not to purchase an underground bunker condo or attempt to stash away goods of survival for long-term. My preparation is within.

[3optic]

Most all of the mainstream spin on 2012 focuses on cataclysm. I don't pay attention to this stuff anymore. I like Ventura but any analysis of the coming shift that ignores the opportunity and focuses on the calamity is of the solid state conspiracy.

Why not make it fun if you're going to include it in your consciousness at all? It's the Mayan calendar not a seismograph.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3510-Timewave-Zero-Graph-Matches-Web-Bot-Graph

[jimmer]

thanks for the link, 3optic.
mind convergence is an interesting theory / study. I bet there's something there.
back to the show: does anyone have info to debunk the utter chaos that's predicted in the venture piece?
no power, no water, no internet, no doritoes!

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I've always liked Jesse Ventura - he seemed to talk straight and stand up to the PTB as much as anyone.... But then, many of us have researched the subject of 2012 and really it's all theory, isn't it?

We keep looking for "for sures", but regarding the future I don't think there are any. That's why all the Masters keep telling us to live in the NOW ~ this minute, right now is all we have. Better to go dance naked under the moon.

[jimmer]

here's a radio program decision of the potential upcoming sun radiation damage to the world's power grid.
this complements the ventura show 'theory.'
the US house of representatives recently passed a bill of preparedness, later killed in the senate.

http://www.offthegridnews.com/podcast/ep010.mp3

[Tuza]

Jimmer,

Yes I have read a lot of different information from different sources stating that the grid will probably go down due to what is happening with the sun.

I wouldn't be overly concerned, just focus on the outcome and you can always get some of those old fashioned lanterns from the camping stores. ;)

[jimmer]

you can always get some of those old fashioned lanterns from the camping stores. ;)

great. that should make the next 5-10 years go by quickly.

[Mluck]

I tend not to believe anything I see on T.V anymore or very little for that matter. Jesse Ventura's show not sure what to think the guy, my first impressions are the show is just another mechanism to promote more fear into people. I think your doing the best thing you can Jimmer look into as much information you can find take a step back think about it and trust your heart and your gut. Just think about how we are taught or whole lives what to think rather then how to think. Happy Hunting Good luck to you

[truthseekerdan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Jo_3MuYRg

[truthseekerdan]

Another good short video with Jesse...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fmILehwLoo

[Carmody]

http://www.saintjohnhunt.com/

[truthseekerdan]

Conspiracy Theory With Jesse Ventura, Season 2 Episode 1 (Plum Island) - PT 1 of 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDEc_gQI50U)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDEc_gQI50U

[Humble Janitor]

I wish I could find a transcript of what he says in these videos. He have a website or something?

[ascendingstarseed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Jo_3MuYRg

Thanks for the video...that reporter was horrible! Reporters are never supposed to interject their opinion, they are supposed to ask unbiased questions (unbiased seems impossible for Fox), be objective and not show emotions and they're supposed to be well informed. This guy let the interview go way off topic, he absolutely was clueless about 9-11 and he actually got upset when Jesse implied the government let it happen. Typical example of the uninformed, biased, corporate schill that Fox Fake News hires for reporters.

[Steven]

Impressive. I am always amazed by Mr. Ventura. I remember him well as wrestler. It is good to see such a man standing up right in the media arena. He's full of rare qualities.

The plum Island episode is simply a knock down wake up. The pill is hard to digest and it happens right before our eyes, but without proper whistleblower and investigation, can keep going on in our backyard. Even after having cross over hundreds of conspiracy, I am still chocked to see how threatening the corporation (elitism) of our world is to ALL LIFE ON EARTH.

I bless people like Mr. Ventura and I am thankful to the Creator of all things to make it happen.

Namaste, Steven

[Beth]

The plum Island episode is simply a knock down wake up. The pill is hard to digest and it happens right before our eyes, but without proper whistleblower and investigation, can keep going on in our backyard.

Just finished watching the Plum Island episode last night on my DVR. Very scary stuff that goes on there. Also discussed that it's where Lyme's disease comes from. And freaky mutations wash up on surrounding beaches.

[JoeNashville]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Jo_3MuYRg

That's sort of an old story... I believe he's referring to Howard Hunt death bed confession to his son which was only a tangent second hand item anyway with no direct links. I wish someone would confess some things before they die, or at least more complete first hand information. Hunt was involved in so many sleezy things with so many sleezy people it's easy to stink him up with JFK but harder to make it stick.

Ventura is clearly getting more info and turning up the heat and his shows are getting better. He really needs some better 'investigators'. I don't know what their story is but to me they hinder progress more than help with their lame arguments and discussions. But I guess that sets up the stage for Venture to get angry and take action!

[Eric J (Viking)]

So what was the outcome of The JFK Assassin Death Bed Confession. Did they say who??

viking

[Beth]

So what was the outcome of The JFK Assassin Death Bed Confession. Did they say who??

viking

The JFK episode hasn't aired yet, probably will in the next few weeks. Tonight's episode is about 9/11.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Mmmm thanks Beth we'll have to post it here...sounds interesting.

Look forward to it.

viking

[Jonathon]

Interesting... but not surprising.
Ventura Speaks Out about the CIA Infultrating our Local Governments


http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/ventura-speaks-out-about-the-cia-infultrating-our-local-governments/VJDHgCMwkR9x4g75840RBQ

[truthseekerdan]

Conspiracy theory with Jesse Ventura - HAARP part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZOt29NR0FY)

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[truthseekerdan]

Links to all the Jesse Ventura conspiracy theory episodes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ8JXiWEjRA)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ8JXiWEjRA

[truthseekerdan]

I wish I could find a transcript of what he says in these videos. He have a website or something?

http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html

Click here for Season 2 Episodes (http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/episodes/index.html)

[Decibellistics]

**** Jesse, debunking 9-11 is easy.

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bummer won't let me edit, sarcasm back fired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

[Jonathon]

http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ventura-2012-legendado-pt-br/ZFCGQPdDvb7Eas7zebh98A

Interesting episode. Granted the overlay of the show is generally pretty cheesy -- especially the guy that does the over-dramatic narration... there are bits of data that give some pause. There is a discussion between Jesse and an architect/builder who is converting missile silos into 2012 condos for the wealthy that peaked my interest. According to this guy, for a year or better he was unable to purchase certain necessary elements for his projects due to it all being bought up by government sources... the implication being they are building underground facilities like mad from coast to coast. While this isn't new news, it does come from what you might consider an open (though obviously not disinterested) source.

When you consider the possibility that events such as the financial collapse, Katrina, the Indo Tsunami, various earthquakes etc are orchestrated experiments; surveillance is at an all time high, governments and organizations are heavily infiltrated and the mass of information out there is altered in such a fashion as to produce some future result... it truly does seem as though we are being setup for a mass scale, multi-pronged, man made, Armageddon style cleansing while the fox hides out in his feed-hole. I know many of your are thinking DUH... LOL... so am I. This isn't new and is by no means a revelation. The pattern just seems more apparent now (to me).

Take the magnetosphere down, feed the consciousness of the people ideas of an eminent 'natural' disaster pending (EG 2012), start stirring up chum for all the sharks, them dump it all at once -- pandemic, tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes... then hit 'em with some HAARP panic and watch the sun go nuts and blow the grid... then watch them all kill each other like starved rats from your multitude of surveillance cameras from the comfort of your missile silo while eating hydroponic carrots with synthetic cheese slices. Experiment over... time for a clean slate. A few weeks later, your New World is 'born' and the Order can move on to part Q of the experiment.

Then again, I just might be an idiot :nod::flame::flame::flame:

[jack]

Full vid here

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOWWIDT910I (part 1)

[truthseekerdan]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=42513152

[Carmody]

If anyone ever wants his words to carry the maximum of potential weight with people on the deeper levels... always call him Governor Ventura. (in the same way ex-prezes are still called prez)

[Carmody]

Without having to go and do the whole video, what was the element that could not be obtained?

[truthseekerdan]

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=114276378592598

[Beth]

Thanks Dan, very much loved that interview.

[truthseekerdan]

Here's another one Beth. Hope you'll like it...

Jesse Ventura on 'Fox & Friends' (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4093483/jesse-ventura-on-fox--friends/)

[Harley]

Right on Dan! Great Vids!

[Beth]

Here's another one Beth. Hope you'll like it...

Jesse Ventura on 'Fox & Friends' (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4093483/jesse-ventura-on-fox--friends/)

LOL, that female interviewer was so uncomfortable with the Governor, too funny.

[truthseekerdan]

LOL, that female interviewer was so uncomfortable with the Governor, too funny.

This guy got even more uncomfortable. :)

Jesse Ventura vs. Fox & Friends, Smacks Down Brian Kilmeade's Torture & 9/11 Propaganda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2h8imURMFk)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2h8imURMFk

[Hiram]

I have to be quite honest. I like Jessie Ventura.

[Jonathon]

Yeah same here - he's really hard NOT to like.

BTW thanks to the admin who corrected the spelling of 'infiltrating' in the post title. Missed that on the copy/paste. If edit worked I'd fix it in the body.

[TigaHawk]

use Advanced Edit, solves the "infinate loading" bug thing.

I'm an Aussie. All ive heard of Jesse Ventura is news Articles and clips now and then from Prisonplanet Mainpage.

After his recent appearence there, i couldent help myself but download his TV series.


Isnt it weird? He's like a light even the blind the see. And even i feel trusting, hell even kind of loyal to this guy, and im in another country.

Isnt isnt it Sad the PTB havent been able to pick up up on the fact that people that tell the truth, and speak from the heart, without any hidden ajenda's or goals, have this kind of effect on people?

[Snowbird]

Isnt isnt it Sad the PTB havent been able to pick up up on the fact that people that tell the truth, and speak from the heart, without any hidden ajenda's or goals, have this kind of effect on people?

Oh, but they have picked up on it. That is the reason that Ventura did not run for or serve a second term. He was slandered unto oblivion.

[Celine]

Oh, but they have picked up on it. That is the reason that Ventura did not run for or serve a second term. He was slandered unto oblivion.

Just like charlie sheene ...doesnt this sound suspicious?? Another article said when the police arrived he was incoherent.

Charlie Sheen flew back to Los Angeles last night after a wild time in New York.

Early yesterday morning, security at the Plaza Hotel had called police to report Sheen had trashed his room.

A law enforcement official says when officers arrived at 1:30 in the morning, Sheen appeared to be intoxicated. The official says a woman who'd been with him said they'd both been out drinking and partying, adding that when they got back to the room, Sheen was yelling and throwing furniture around.

The Post reports that the actor began wrecking his room after accusing a prostitute of stealing his wallet and cell phone, while his children slept in a nearby room.

A source told The Post that the petrified prostitute phoned a friend who was "working" elsewhere in The Plaza. The friend then alerted hotel staff, which dialed 911.

Police say Sheen was not arrested. Instead, he voluntarily went with authorities for a psychiatric evaluation at a hospital. Sheen's rep told FOX411.com that Sheen "had an adverse allergic reaction to some medication and was taken to the hospital."

Sheen's ex, Denise Richards, was staying at the same hotel with their two little girls.

"This is a very personal, private matter," Richards said in an interview Wednesday on Fox News.

"I'm not gonna comment on anything. I'm good. My girls are good," she said.

[truthseekerdan]

Jesse Ventura on The Alex Jones Show - October 27th, 2010 - 1/4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgV93plQIm4)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgV93plQIm4

[truthseekerdan]

Questions surrounding the military's secret research base in the Nevada desert have been swirling around for years. Jesse faces off against guards at Area 51, to find out why the Joint Terrorism Task Force raided the homes of two Area 51 watchdogs and to review alleged evidence that the government has been faking UFO sightings and alien abductions in order to cover up darker secrets at the base.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxSNvcL0cV0

Playlist for the full episode: http://www.youtube.com/user/fairinfowar#g/c/2DE1CD0A7CAB0DEE

[shybastid]

Jonothon... I agree with what you wrote. I just watched the show.. I'm watching the HAARP one now. Yeah,the commentator is almost as bad as "Myth Busters" commentator. Still... can't just shoot the messenger because you don't like a part of the message presentation.
Best mainsteam presentations I've seen on these topics.
Question? Would I wear a pony tail if I'm bald? Answer: Glad I don't have that problem..So I don't know.

[truthseekerdan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-rSDHNWKDg

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-rSDHNWKDg

[fifi]

I missed watching these shows. Thanks very much for the link, Dan.

[truthseekerdan]

It's been said the government has a plan to declare martial law and round up millions of United State citizens into concentration camps. Jesse may have found a conspiracy in plain sight as he investigates the proliferation of law enforcement Fusion Centers around the country. And they may be connected to hundreds of detention centers ready to accept prisoners at the stroke of a Presidential pen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aAxb8vzWiY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Playlist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aAxb8vzWiY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

[Teakai]

Has Jesse Ventura revealed who did it yet?

I came across this which seems to indicate that his wife did it (under mind control, perhaps)

Very interesting study, pictures, film clip - all makes much sense.

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/03/04/jacqueline-kennedy-murderer-jfk-murder-president-john-fitzgerald-kennedy-dr-neville

[Beth]

Has Jesse Ventura revealed who did it yet?

I came across this which seems to indicate that his wife did it (under mind control, perhaps)

Very interesting study, pictures, film clip - all makes much sense.

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/03/04/jacqueline-kennedy-murderer-jfk-murder-president-john-fitzgerald-kennedy-dr-neville

Nope, that episode hasn't aired yet. I have heard of that theory and researched it a bit, it's always possible

[JoshERTW]

Thanks for this video - posting to facebook - great debate of guy who doesn't know whats up

"I Saw an Airplane Fly into it x 10,000"

Every watch an amatueur magician? They do lots of stuff you can see, but which isn't real

[JoeNashville]

I like Governor Ventura also. His story about how the agency had a 'private visit' with him after he won the election is telling. And his show is getting better and better.

[truthseekerdan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUKPXR5TbQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Playlist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUKPXR5TbQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

A "major figure" from recent U.S. history admits to involvement in the plot in an audio tape that will blow audiences away. The source names names, and Lee Harvey Oswald isn't on the list. According to the show's producers, Ventura's team has even established new evidence that suggests the individuals allegedly involved in the assassination have powerful ties that even go as high as former President and former CIA director George H. W. Bush. Is this the key at last to why the media has been so reluctant to admit that someone else was shooting at Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963?

Ventura qualified as an expert shot while in naval special forces training, and qualified again as an expert during his term as Governor in Minnesota, yet he could not duplicate the time and accuracy of Oswald's fateful shots.

In the course of the episode, Jesse Ventura, a former Navy SEAL and Underwater Demolitions expert, attempts to recreate Oswald's alleged shooting that day. He tracked down the exact make and model, as well as ammunition stock that the Warren Commission claims Oswald used. But despite the fact that Ventura qualified as an expert shot while in naval special forces training, and qualified again as an expert during his term as Governor in Minnesota, he could not duplicate the time and accuracy of Oswald's fateful shots. Yet Lee Harvey Oswald only qualified as a "marksman," two grades lower than Ventura. (Witnesses who shot with Oswald have said for years that he had "Maggie's drawers"—that he frequently missed the target and generally did not meet the high standards of a serviceman.)

The House Select Committee on Assassinations matched Ventura's findings back in 1978. Their investigation found a 95% or higher probability that John F. Kennedy was killed by more than one assassin, concluding that indeed a conspiracy took place, and debunking the rushed conclusions of the 1964 Warren Commission that Oswald acted alone. However, nearly half a century later, the media has continued to promote the lone gunman theory, even in spite of a skeptical public. The motives behind this mass-misconception are deep and probing indeed, and Ventura has been questioning the official account for many years now.

Images released by TruTV show that Ventura acts out the official account of Oswald's shooting; then talks to a number of experts at Dealey Plaza, the site of the JFK assassination, including Jim Marrs, prominent researcher and frequent guest on the Alex Jones Show.

[truthseekerdan]

Appearing on the Alex Jones Show today, the former governor of Minnesota and host of the popular TruTV show, Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura, announced he will no longer use commercial airlines due to the egregious abuses of the TSA and the government.

Ventura said he made the decision to avoid public aircraft after he found himself becoming too comfortable with being routinely searched. He said he was subjected to pat down and search three or four times a week when he traveled for his television show. Ventura had hip surgery and the metal in his body invariably sets off airport metal detectors.

Read more: http://www.infowars.com/breaking-former-gov-ventura-will-no-longer-fly-due-to-abuse-hes-endured-at-hands-of-tsa/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVKmMD-_QuA

[JoshERTW]

Thanks for the JFK show - very cool

I always find teh writing of this show (script wise) a turn off, though it seems to be improving - this episode a prime example.

The information is generally pretty good, and getting better as the series continues. The script writing, especially in the beginning was so bad, and so "I'm JV - the wrestler" that I think most people wrote it off entirely. Those elements are still there, but I think thats just cause JV is that kind of guy - and hey, at least he's more or less "real" - to a point at least. I always see a lot of points in the show where the editors cut off the interviewee's and cut to Jesse's comments, when there was clearly a 'counterpoint' which in all likelyhood would have been real food for thought - some actual debate. But TV being what it is, you don't see that. I'd like to see an unedited version of this show as the "new face" of journalism someday. One can dream I guess.

Cheers

[truthseekerdan]

Tonight’s Conspiracy Theory to expose toxins in water, population control motives and water privatization schemes worldwide; Premieres FRIDAY, DEC. 3 AT 10 PM EST/ 9 PM CST

Read more (http://www.infowars.com/shocker-feminizing-uranium-fluoride-lithium-in-water-to-be-exposed-on-ventura-tv-show/)

[norman]

The "Police State" episode ( I think it was the first one of this season ), which would normally be repeated several times, has been 'pulled' from air and disappeared from the list of the series.


EDIT:

Alex Jones, a consultant to TruTV’s Conspiracy Theory, can confirm that the controversial episode “Police State,” which dealt with FEMA camps and fusion centers, has been pulled from air and essentially “memory-holed” due to behind the scenes pressure.

In short, the series of inconsistencies with the re-airing and promotion for “Police State” posted by We Are Change and Federal Jack (below) is all true, and more. The episode was de-listed from TruTV’s website, bonus clips associated with the episode were removed from the website, its encore airings were canceled and it was not played during the recent Conspiracy Theory marathon. Alex cannot elaborate further without compromising his sources, but you have heard people associated with the show discussing on the radio how certain unnamed powerful people did not want this impactful episode to air, how shadowy figures have been caught rummaging through the trash of producers for the show, and beyond.

The producers and talent for Conspiracy Theory, including former Governor Jesse Ventura, have had a lot of courage in making their series as hard hitting as possible. With certain powers-that-be unhappy with such a substantial program airing on cable TV, supporters should treasure what they have been able to get out thus far. The very future of the series could be in question, though certainly things are still up in the air at this point. If you appreciate the content that has been on Conspiracy Theory thus far, you should do everything you can tell your friends and associates to tune in, and make sure these dynamic episodes are seen as widely as possible.

[Carmody]

However, nearly half a century later, the media has continued to promote the lone gunman theory, even in spite of a skeptical public.

Which is why I tell people, all the time.... "dump the television". There is nothing on it that makes it worth keeping around. Overall, IMO and IME... by any means of analysis, it is a negative. Get rid of it.

by the time the year 2000 rolled around, I was only watching TV for one hour, every Sunday night. X-files! (whoooooo! yay!) This had already been for a good two years. Just the one hour, no more. And I nearly stopped each time I saw a TV ad.

Then Bush Junior appeared on that TV. That's when I finally dumped it. There was no way I was going to put up with him, right from day 1.

[Ahkenaten]

Fine Jesse Ventura eschews travel on commercial airliners but he should be extremely careful flying as a passenger on smaller private planes as well for obvious reasons. Ventura should use Skype and video hook-ups and take extra precautions.

p.s. on the TV thing I kicked the habit years ago thanks to Bush II. I realized I had gone over the edge when my poor dog used to cringe when Bush came on the TV and ran into the other room............even the dog had more moral decency than that thing passing as a human. If the dog went out of his way to avoid even hearing Bush II's evil voiceprint ID, what was I doing listening and WATCHING him?? The truly influential people I have known DO NOT HAVE A TV IN THEIR HOUSE. A light bulb went off in my head and I canned the propaganda machine once and for all - thanks to the example set by my dog!

[truthseekerdan]

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Playlist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIQ-HuCOfS4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

As producer Michael Braverman announced yesterday, what was once an episode just dealing with schemes to profit off the Great Lakes has now expanded into a startling exposé of the dangerous toxins being added to our water by design. Now known as the "Worldwide Water Conspiracy," tonight's episode of Conspiracy Theory with Gov. Jesse Ventura will take on water privatization, false scarcity profit schemes, the effects of fluoride, lithium and uranium in drinking water and much more.

Scarcity, perceived or real, drives the value of commodities, and many people say water is the next oil. The Great Lakes consist of more than 20% of Earth's surface fresh water, but the levels are dropping. Some streams and groundwater sources have already dried up, and a shortage of clean drinking water could prove to be one of the 21st Century's greatest bubbles.

Now, Gov. Ventura's investigation reveals that foreign companies are stealing water from the Great Lakes, imposing upon one of the American public's greatest assets. Already, the scale of schemes to privatize water and make big profit on a clear necessity are astounding. The TruTV team has learned that the Nestle Corporation is one of the firms tapping this water to sell in bottled water and other products. Moreover, it has circumvented public access points to the lakes by stashing its pumps 12 miles away from the shore of Lake Michigan-- in a private game preserve where no one can see them and little scrutiny is likely to arise. * A d v e r t i s e m e n t *

Moreover, Ventura has uncovered a novel way of siphoning this "blue gold." Giant floating water bags have been implemented to create huge "water trains" and profiteers are using them to ship America's fresh water to foreign countries like China. If the multinational corporations are not stopped, they'll take our "champagne water" and leave us to drink the toilet water. Think it can't happen here? In countries like Bolivia, where private companies have taken control of the water, ordinary people have already had to protest against the police state in order to simply collect rainwater for basic needs. Now, the right to collect rainwater has been challenged here in the United States as well.

But the Conspiracy Theory episode stumbles upon an even greater danger lurking in the water. Testing shows that numerous deadly toxins have been found in the majority of America's tap water, and it's no accident. Could population control through forced mass medication in water be underway? This form of control was discussed in sitting-White House Science Czar John P. Holdren's book Ecoscience as far back as 1977.

The team learns that male birth rates are dropping all over the world. To find out why, Ventura & co. speak with radiation exposure expert Leuren Moret who drops the bombshell that uranium-- yes uranium-- is found in our drinking water and is triggering a mass-feminization in the population via a hormonal-chemical assault. The New York Times reported in 2009 that some 49 million Americans are drinking water contaminated with chemicals like arsenic or radioactive substances like uranium. Further, in 2010, the State of Texas was caught covering up dangerous and illegal levels of uranium in its water supplies that can cause cell mutations and cancer. Other chemicals including fluoride further raise suspicions about who is controlling what goes into our bodies, and why.

There is every reason to believe that Big Brother wants ordinary Americans calm and docile, unable to resist their system. Is that why government experts and leading bio-ethicists are advocating adding dose amounts of lithium to municipal water districts? Lithium is commonly to used to sedate patients suffering from bi-polar disorder, and the agenda has been put forward ostensibly to reduce suicides in the population. However, issuing a mass dose to the population is not only dangerous, as the amount affects people differently, but a form of true medical tyranny.

[what2put]

ucsdefence.com

http://current.com/news/92839491_police-state-episode-of-hit-ventura-show-covering-fema-camps-pulled-from-air.htm

[Bauzer]

Thanks for sharing this information.

[Fredkc]

Episode d'loaded, archived, and given to a friend.
Fred

[WyoSeeker]

I was kind of amazed he was able to cover the topics he did in the first season and even more amazed they let him come back for a second season!

Go Jesse, the truth will set us free!

[Ahkenaten]

kind of lets a little steam out of the pressure cooker, don't it?! Serves a purpose. Also is a target for certain people to ridicule. But somehow I think they have miscalculated on this one............................

[josie]

yay camp! i love camp! as a true blue urban kid it was the best when summer hit and parents sent us off to camp. c'mon people look at the bright side. fear vs. love you choose. if camps are in our future at least we'll all be in it together. a police state in america isn't anything new, it's been around for ages. ya. it's scary when first realized but f*** em. look at the bright side: it's just a matter of time till they've stolen all the money and then they're out of here, gone. and then this vast country will be ours again to rebuild! focus on the love energy. fear and sensationalism will only kick your butt.

[Lost Soul]

It's on YouTube.

[Mandala]

You can download Jesse's show on I Tunes.

[Ammit]

I would like to know what that list is and is it on the net for viewing, would it only cover the usa and if so, do`s the uk have such a list.
Would like to know if I am on it.....

[truthseekerdan]

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ9uFzuXh8w)
IQ9uFzuXh8w

Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CICs48zn7ug)
CICs48zn7ug

Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDYz1QT5SE)
2kDYz1QT5SE

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiYI444Eyg&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiYI444Eyg&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUZEzrZBaU&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUZEzrZBaU&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZk9MaDK2Ag&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZk9MaDK2Ag&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JzcH9bFris&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JzcH9bFris&feature=player_embedded

[Rocky_Shorz]

you know it really is too bad that Wikileaks didn't send a copy to Jesse...

nothing like a Navy Seal on a mission...

[cloud9]

I haven't seen this posted but I apologize in advance if it has.

vWVQvVSeRdA

[trustno1]

I'm still waiting for the episode where he gets together with his old SEAL buddies and they start dispensing some real justice. Words and laws alone aren't enough to take these people down; they use them as shields.

[ronbono57]

trustno1 I couldn't agree more!!

[kesom]

ya gotta love jesse ventura :)

buíochas a lán irishspirit

peace and love ken :)

[norman]

I'm still waiting for the episode where he gets together with his old SEAL buddies and they start dispensing some real justice. Words and laws alone aren't enough to take these people down; they use them as shields.

What's the betting that if the PTB fail in their agenda, that, they hand America over? to ..........Jesse Ventura!....President Ventura...sounds sweet.

[str8thinker]

Bit like World Championship Conspiracy Wrestling. :heh::evil:

Thanks for posting - also available on P*****Bay Torrent.

[norman]

PirateBay INSTANTLY shuts down my browser these days!?

[daledo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDo1hRB87Sk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrihlgTtmpk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYepWdm0jMs

[str8thinker]

@norman, P*rateBay closing down browser has been reported elsewhere

http://forums.overclockersclub.com/index.php?showtopic=168788
http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/pirate-bay-closing-web-browser/580324
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/853514-browser-crashing-on-certain-sites/
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091127001422AAkik7K
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100127233350AARxLSO
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101116010500AARgw6M

Don't know why this happens; anyone else got ideas about this?

[Bill Ryan]

PirateBay INSTANTLY shuts down my browser these days!?

Use VUZE:

http://vuze.com

... works perfectly.

[str8thinker]

Thanks for the VUZE tip, Bill.

Let's dispel the BS about what Corexit contains.

At 23:50 into his show, Jesse Ventura states that Corexit (used to clean up the spill) "contains arsenic, cadmium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, nickel, zinc, cyanide, chlorinated hydrocarbons." The video even displays this as a list on screen.

This list of nasties finds its way into other articles too:

(Crude) Oil is toxic at 11 parts per million (ppm) while Corexit 9500 at only 2.61 ppm, and Corexit 9527 even less, the EPA calling it an acute health hazard. Corexit also contains arsenic, cadmium, chromium, mercury, cyanide, and other heavy metals. Dispersing oil with it increases toxicity 11-fold, suggesting a calamitous looming public health disaster.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/072710Lendman.shtml

But hey! Corexit is a petroleum-based dispersant, totally organic, so why should it contain any of the above, except possibly the last two? Arsenic to zinc are metals, admittedly toxic; cadmium, copper, lead and mercury are additionally classed as "heavy" metals because of their increased atomic weight. You don't need metals to disperse oil. So where did the metals come from?

As we see from the Baltimore Chronicle article, there were two kinds of Corexit used.


According to Nalco's Material Safety Data Sheet for COREXIT® EC9500A , the Corexit 9500 A dispersant which is being sprayed by the millions of liters from Hercules Transport planes flying over the Deepwater Horizon spill consists of 10 - 30 % light, hydrotreated petroleum distillates; 10 - 30% of a trade secret organic sulfonic acid salt; and 1 - 5% of propylene glycol.

The underwater dispersant, COREXIT® EC9527A , contains 30 - 60% 2-Butoxyethanol (2-BE) instead of the petroleum distillates, along with the same two ingredients found in the Corexit 9500 A.

2-Butoxyethanol (2-BE) is used mainly in paints and surface coatings (predominantly water based decorative and industrial products), followed by cleaning products (especially degreasing or multi-purpose products) and inks, and as a solvent in hair dyes. The 2-BE in these products is basically all released to the environment, by evaporation in the case of surface coatings and to wastewater streams in most other cases. The OECD estimates that 200,000 to 500,000 tons of 2-BE is produced annually.

The chemical does not bioaccumulate and biodegrades rapidly in sewage treatment plants, and therefore can be commonly found in cleaners advertised as "green". However, there is documented occurrences of groundwater contamination occurring when 2-BE is disposed of in landfills, where it cannot biodegrade as effectively.

Propylene glycol is used mainly in resins (26%) and antifreeze or de-icing fluids (22%), but the US EPA estimates that 18% of the PG used in the US goes into food, drug, and cosmetic uses. Other uses include liquid detergents (11%), pet food (3%), and tobacco (5%). Production in the US and Europe alone exceeds 920,000 tons.

Propylene glycol is so non-toxic that you could eat at least 2 to 13 grams per kg of body weight per day with no observable effects. ( Author's note: a reader has asked us to point out that Ethylene Glycol is also often used in antifreeze products. Ethylene Glycol is poisonous, possibly deadly. )

Organic Sulfonic Acid Salt
The real problem with knowing how hazardous Corexit products might be lies in the confidentiality protection granted to the manufacturers of chemical products. The main active ingredient of the Corexit is given only by its generic chemical name.

Sulfonic acid salts are widely used by the detergents industry. Alkylbenzene sulfonic acids are the most common members of this chemical family, beloved for their low cost, detergent performance, and biodegradability. Here we are talking about truly huge quantities of chemicals produced, used and disposed of annually. For example, over 1 million tons of linear alkylbenzene sulfonic acids (LAS) are produced annually. 78 - 97% of that goes straight into the environment via the wash cycle.

These chemicals are regarded as being of low concern, because they biodegrade very rapidly, especially in wastewater treatment plants. This facade of eco-friendliness masks a more significant issue: many organic sulfonic acid salts are fairly toxic to the aquatic environment, and can be especially disturbing to cell membranes of single-cell and other simple creatures. A 2005 study of dispersant use (German, pdf) for promoting biodegradation in marine oil spills found that the toxic effects of the dispersants may deter the very organisms that are trying to eat up all that nasty spilled oil.

Unfortunately, the US system allows EPA to gain 90% of its funding from oil giants so it will protect them and their associates rather than the people suffering illnesses, having miscarriages and dying from slow-kill toxins in increasing numbers due to aerial spraying of poisons, burning toxic oil and the still gushing oil.

James C Fox, the filmmaker in Louisiana recently interviewed on Intel Hub Radio, released footage evidencing the toxicity. The footage, now on Youtube (below), includes his team collecting water samples on Gulf oil explosion Day 70, before the police state crackdown in the area. Fox's tested samples reveal that just Propylene Glycol from Corexit dispersant in the water is approximately 150 times the toxic level for fish.

The individual who analyzed the samples under anonymity stated, "The level of Corexit in the water is about 150 higher than toxic level for fish... and that's just the Propylene Glycol.

"You do not need to see the oil to be poisoned with Corexit because the Corexit is in the water, not just the oil."

Likewise, you do not need to smell it for it to be poisoning you, as Dr. Mark Sircus urges people to understand.

The water sample tester stated, "People breathing this are going to have problems, "which is why Corexit is banned in other countries.

"It reminds me of after 911 when the EPA told the people at Ground Zero that there was no asbestos in the air when there was."

http://www.waterfiltercanada.com/corexit.htm



You won't find any mention of metals, heavy or otherwise, cyanide or chlorinated hydrocarbons in Nalco's Material Safety Data Sheet for Corexit 9500 (http://lmrk.org/corexit_9500_uscueg.539287.pdf). In fact, Nalco issued this statement:


Corexit Ingredients
COREXIT 9500 is the sole product we have been making for Gulf responders since the spill began. Limited quantities of COREXIT 9527 may have been drawn from existing dispersant stockpiles from around the world. COREXIT 9500 does not include the ingredient 2-butoxy ethanol, an ingredient in COREXIT 9527.

Both COREXIT dispersants have been approved by the EPA as part of the National Contingency Plan for treating oil spills.

http://www.nalco.com/news-and-events/4297.htm

So where did Jesse get this info on heavy metals, cyanide and chlorinated hydrocarbons?

From the NCP PRODUCT SCHEDULE NOTEBOOK (www.pwsrcac.org/docs/pwsrcacinfo/d0081996.DispersantsInfoNCP.pdf)

The URL for this document comes to you by courtesy of the Prince William Sound Regional Citizens' Advisory Council. (Remember Exxon Valdez? Once bitten, twice shy.)


The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) Office of Emergency Management Regulatory and Policy Division compiled the National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan (NCP) Product Schedule, as required by the Clean Water Act, the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (OPA 90), and the NCP. This NCP Product Schedule Notebook contains a compilation of product bulletins summarizing technical information and test results for those
products listed on EPA’s NCP Product Schedule.



TECHNICAL PRODUCT BULLETIN #D-1
USEPA, OIL PROGRAM CENTER
ORIGINAL LISTING DATE: MARCH 10, 1978
REVISED LISTING DATE: DECEMBER 18, 1995
“COREXIT® EC9527A”
(formerly COREXIT 9527)

It lists special handling and worker precautions, etc., and right at the end states:


X. ANALYSIS FOR HEAVY METALS, CYANIDE, AND CHLORINATED
HYDROCARBONS
Compound Concentration (ppm)
Arsenic <0.005
Cadmium <0.01
Chromium 1.0
Copper <0.2
Lead <0.1
Mercury <0.003
Nickel <0.1
Zinc 0.1
Cyanide <0.01
Chlorinated Hydrocarbons <0.01

As you can see, these quantities are quite low by comparison, and are listed in exactly the same order as in Jesse's show. So now we know where he got them.

Another fact: the heavier the crude oil, the more contaminant heavy metals it is likely to contain.


Heavy oil is asphaltic and contains asphaltenes and resins. It is "heavy" (dense and viscous) due to the high ratio of aromatics and naphthenes to paraffins (linear alkanes) and high amounts of NSO's (nitrogen, sulfur, oxygen and heavy metals).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_crude_oil

Although Corexit certainly doesn't come out of all this smelling like a rose, I venture to suggest that the crude oil itself leaking out into the Bay of Mexico and along its shores may be a bigger source of heavy metal contamination than the dispersants used to control it.

All this is probably a bit too subtle for Jesse and his intended audience.

[JoshERTW]

Thanks for this

[Teakai]

Here's the Jesse Ventura conspiracy theory Pentagon episode for anyone interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZ14NRbT-s

Have just started watching it myself.
Both Jesse and Alex Jones seem surprised that it got to air - so watch it while you can in case you tube try to remove it.

[onawah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLhK0HeU6Qhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLhK0HeU6Q

Ventura is THE MAN on TV!!
(I hope this wasn't posted already.)

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vyBYmv3bwY&feature=player_embedded

[jimmer]

I watched it.
As fun and provocative as this show is, it's content and findings
are many times a stretch and a real leap (not supported by hard facts/evidence).
As a rebuttal to the show's Pentagon findings that 'this couldn't happen, that couldn't happen,' read this investigation into the on-the-ground facts:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

it's years old, but hard facts don't shift over time.
teaser: over 60 airline passenger bodies were retrieved and returned to their families...

[Eligos]

Two things to consider:
No holes where the alleged engines impacted the Pentagon wall
As stated by numerous pilots, physically impossible to maneuver the plane at such an angle of descent.

[Satori]

Jimmer:
You've been duped if you believe that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Respectfully.

[Carmody]

I watched it.
As fun and provocative as this show is, it's content and findings
are many times a stretch and a real leap (not supported by hard facts/evidence).
As a rebuttal to the show's Pentagon findings that 'this couldn't happen, that couldn't happen,' read this investigation into the on-the-ground facts:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

it's years old, but hard facts don't shift over time.
teaser: over 60 airline passenger bodies were retrieved and returned to their families...

As well, we don't have any real evidence of 60 bodies being returned. We have a statement that 60 bodies have been returned. That's it. Nothing more.

As well, virtually nothing of the plane remained. It is therefore incredibly unlikely that anything above a mushy paste/stain of any human being survived any pentagon impact. DNA swabbing of the odd meatish/bone bit is about the only option there. Returning bodies would be impossible, in my estimation, if indeed a 747 sized plane hit the pentagon.

Recall or know for the first time that the people in the Pentagon who died, were..for the most part..the independent accounting team that was brought in to find and account for the missing $2.2 Trillion that Donald Rumsfeld had admitted (at a special news conference) the loss and loss of tracking on..the day before, on Sept 10, 2001. Standing behind him (and I believe he took the microphone as well) was the Comptroller (who was responsible for the money and the allocation) of the Pentagon, an Ordained Rabbi and dual citizen of the US and Isreal.. Dov Zakheim.

"During the 2000 U.S. Presidential election campaign, Zakheim served as a foreign policy advisor to George W. Bush as part of a group led by Condoleezza Rice that called itself The Vulcans."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_S._Zakheim

(Yo, just so you know, the Vulcans were the so-called 'original gods'. In the modern context, these would be the Pagan Gods.)

Missing $2.2 trillion, hmmm? How does one loose track of $2.2 Trillion?

And the untraceable plane....just happens to kill the accounting team and destroy all the records.

Fancy that.

[Arpheus]

Show me the bodies and then i may consider that there were actually any bodies?The pentagon is the most blatant of many of the lies we have been told about that dreadful day.

[Carmody]

The pentagon strike bears all the marks of being a hastily erected and carried out plan, one that may have been put into action at the last minute as this thing at the Twin towers took place. As if the white house crew acted on the situation that they had planned out, that had multiple situations and conditions going on all simultaneously. Don't for get the what was it, 11-13 floors of sub-basement that had, over the years, turned into a gold holding secure facility, and how many $billions in bullion were down there? etc. The heavy trucks found in the tower tunnels, and one (or was it a few?) gold bar found in one empty truck. Ie, the gold left the night before.

And the Pentagon crew or faction watched this whole thing going on, and their hands being fully tied as their situation (involvement and forces) was being run by Cheney from the war room at the white house. So they get a plane up in the air and take care of the accounting situation.

According to the timing of the three impacts, this scenario is entirely possible.

[onawah]

Ventura was only able to scratch the surface of all the evidence of a 911 conspiracy, but it was amazing that he got that much on TV in the US at all. Let's hope it has an impact and gets the ball rolling for a 911 disclosure That would be a great step...

[jimmer]

"The remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) was recovered
and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived
the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families."

here's the link to the forensic, documented evidence summary
of the pentagon flight 77 incident. let your computer read this to you.
it's as detailed as a 'summary' should be. lots of eyewitnesses, lots of aftermath
details that just won't be there if this was a set-up.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

you can say they are lying, but this kind of summary is factually documented.
what hard documentation do the truthers have to back-up their theories?
and I don't mean experts saying things can't happen. I mean, what factual,
on-the-ground hard evidence is there that it was a missile, etc.?

be sure to review page 2 of this report. included the serpentine flight path diagram that
indicates that a missile could not have caused all the peripheral (light pole, vehicle) damage.

and lastly, check out these extremely low fly-bys of full size passenger airlines.
it's crazy, possible to do and the music is pretty good, too.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2787482791697822411&hl=en#

[Carmody]

you can say they are lying, but this kind of summary is factually documented.
what hard documentation do the truthers have to back-up their theories?
and I don't mean experts saying things can't happen. I mean, what factual,
on-the-ground hard evidence is there that it was a missile, etc.?

Yet they cannot show us one credible image of a plane, and image of a flight or a single component that resembles that of a full size liner, in any credible way.

This tends to put lie to the idea that we have the forensics of 'flight 77', in hand.


it's not an impasse either, not a 'tie', either. No.

The level of fraud going on in the entire package, the circumstantial evidence surrounding every leading situation, that led into that day, all that happened that day and all that happened afterward. Well, all of that makes it impossible for a reasoning person to do nothing but do their best to find the lie behind the forensic reports. For if that is their sole piece of 'decent' evidence for that day, then they have nothing.

We are talking about the loss of the understanding of the"location, history, and the use" of older and higher valued dollars than now, by a great percentage..an amount of approximately $2,200,000,000,000.00 .....and the money..the money..is the smaller part of it, by a huge margin. It is only an evidence trail that leads to something far more potent. A forenseic report that would take, at most a few million $ at most, to put together and put in place. In the face of something that makes the missing 2.2 trillion dollars look like a joke. How far would they go? Far, far further than you have seen, so far.

What they DO have is a forensics report that will work well enough, well enough for convincing those who are afraid of the conclusions -if it is shown to be a fabrication. THOSE people will do their best to believe in that piece of evidence as they can't psychologically -or- emotionally face the ramifications of the report being a fabrication.

This is the history of false flag attacks, and that sort of thing has been going on for millennia.

In essence, you don't have hard evidence, you have something in your hand that goes against the entire trail of evidence and circumstance that surround: the set up conditions, the occurrences of that day, and everything that happened afterward. I'm not talking about the pentagon alone here, I'm talking about the entire package of that day and all that surrounds it.

The final point is that this is a war. A war of psychology. A goebbellian propaganda war of massaging and engaging human psychology in a manner that makes this hastily erected and poorly enacted scenario hold enough water to maintain the illusion of truth -for the group of people that desire to maintain an illusion of truth in their lives. To maintain that lie so they can live in comfort. This is psychology 101 class, good sir.

It is just that you don't seem to be mentally understanding that point. The guilty people involved have erected enough doubt in the situation so that the target group for the propaganda can very shakily settle down into those points of doubt and try again to live in the comfort of what they currently know and understand. To avoid the painful face of the truth. Like someone suspecting their partner is cheating or no-longer wants them in their lives anymore, they can go on believing a lie so they don't have to face a truth that cuts to the core of their being and reshapes them in way that is far more potent than any difficult personal relationship ever would.

We know the extremes that people would, will and -do- go through in order to hold onto a lie of personal relationship. Lies that are entirely obvious to anyone outside of that relationship. In the same way, those outside of the lie of that day, when it comes to believing it, those outside can easily see the shape and the fabrication that holds the bulk of humanity to the lie. And in the same way, we cannot easily convince or show the person who believes the lie...what the true face of it actually is. They literally, like the person in the bad relationship, they refuse to look at it.... as the truth seems far too painful for them. Their powers of reason can speak the words and even think them but they cannot believe them. They are hanging onto the shred of doubt, the shred of evidence that speaks the opposite...and allows them to cling to their desires.

Their desire to hold their illusion, an illusion that holds back a pain. A pain of disillusion that threatens all they know and breathe, right to the core. You can get someone to believe and even say their partner does not want them anymore, and even then, have them take years more to walk away or disengage. This pain, of this situation, this huge lie - held by such flimsy and weak evidence...this difficulty... is and will be MUCH deeper than that, as this situation surrounding that day in September.. encompasses everything their entire lives are based on. The street they walk down, who paved it the design of the streetlights, their education and upbringing, the food they eat, everything they understand is at risk in their chain of existence.People will cling to anything in the face of that. Psychology 101, friend. Either consciously or unconsciously, most who deny know this truth, which is why their mind rejects it harder than a person who crying and hanging onto a warm corpse. They grieve for themselves and their world, for they see the shape of the pain the truth will bring them, and it horrifies them into a lie..as a form of self protection of the ego and their 'lives'.

So the evidence you proffer is a canard. A red herring. Designed to convince those who desire on the deepest level possible to have doubts raised and to be convinced. People who don't really understand what 'psychology 101' means in the context of this discussion. That being the bulk of humanity, which is the target group of this entire pile of propaganda.

Some may look at my post and say, "what does that mean?"....and all I can say in return is, "My Point Exactly".

I'm done with this discussion, I've said my piece. I'll not get lost further, wasting more of my time in such dead ends.

[Dale]

I won't start in on another circular 9/11 debate, here; though I do find them intellectually sharpening.

The bottom line, concerning the events of 9/11, is something I feel we all can agree on. Fraud beneath consecutive layers of fraud, and a big push to further "someone(s)" game.

[iceni tribe]

hi jimmer

your mention of the lamposts is a interesting one , have you not seen the film .... national security alert by the citizens investigation team.

if not then may i suggest you take a peek , because you will see and hear the taxi driver ( loyde ) say on camera that it was planned he was involved in something bigger than him ,this is their thing .
kinda from the horse's mouth so to speak .

[jimmer]

sorry you're fed up. so am I for totally different reasons.
there is lots of evidence of an airliner impact.
if it was an airliner, then all the conspiracy theories as to the pentagon tragedy are moot.

believe what you will, but the truth wins the day.

[Carmody]

Your problem comes when the photographic evidence that is taken directly at the crash site, for that day, shows the parts for a known drone plane design and nothing that comes from any known airliner. A missile close range fired into pentagon wall, kills the accounting team and the evidence...and the drone plane follows the missile in. That is what the direct independent photographic site evidence is known to indicate. Anything beyond that is circumstantial and open to fabrication.

[3optic]

I hope you both stick it out. I for one am getting a lot out of this exchange. My own view parallels Carmody's but I am interested in jimmer's posts. Jimmer, it might be helpful if you touched on the building 7 debacle at some point. Joseph Lieberman recently denied it even happened. Also the total investigation budget was 15 mil which according to him "dug up everything" and yet made no mention of the 3rd Trade Center building.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

"The remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) was recovered
and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived
the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families."

here's the link to the forensic, documented evidence summary
of the pentagon flight 77 incident. let your computer read this to you.
it's as detailed as a 'summary' should be. lots of eyewitnesses, lots of aftermath
details that just won't be there if this was a set-up.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

you can say they are lying, but this kind of summary is factually documented.
what hard documentation do the truthers have to back-up their theories?
and I don't mean experts saying things can't happen. I mean, what factual,
on-the-ground hard evidence is there that it was a missile, etc.?

be sure to review page 2 of this report. included the serpentine flight path diagram that
indicates that a missile could not have caused all the peripheral (light pole, vehicle) damage.

and lastly, check out these extremely low fly-bys of full size passenger airlines.
it's crazy, possible to do and the music is pretty good, too.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2787482791697822411&hl=en#

So 'they' say, still not one ounce of proof they came from the Pentagon. Look guys, we will be going around in circles chasing our tails, we ALL know its impossible for a complete learner to pilot a 757 in the way officials state, then, leave one single 16ft hole rather than the expected normal engine punches. Lets use common sense and logic here, NOPLANE HIT THE PENTAGON. Very experienced pilots could not do so and they have publicly stated such, a complete beginner whom could not handle a small cessna properly would have no chance. Do not be fooled by officials with their complete nonsense, its same with the Shanksville 'crash', it simply did not happen as we are told by those scumbags whom lie at every turn.

[truthseekerdan]

sorry you're fed up. so am I for totally different reasons.
there is lots of evidence of an airliner impact.
if it was an airliner, then all the conspiracy theories as to the pentagon tragedy are moot.

believe what you will, but the truth wins the day.

The truth is that an airliner did not hit the pentagon -- as simple as that...

[SPIRIT WOLF]

sorry you're fed up. so am I for totally different reasons.
there is lots of evidence of an airliner impact.
if it was an airliner, then all the conspiracy theories as to the pentagon tragedy are moot.

believe what you will, but the truth wins the day.

Truth does win the day and the truth demonstrated endlessly is that NO wreckage of any discernable size was found, not the silly little planted for media photo pieces but the two massive engines for example, they would have been obvious. Photographers on the scene within minutes saw NO wreckage whatsoever. Also witnesses inside the building saw no such wreckage, one in particular actually came out of the building thru the hole, and she saw NOTHING. What makes you tick? Very interested in why you accept the party line when ALL evidence is against you?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Let them prove an aircraft hit the pentagon and release the tapes from all the cameras, the Pentagon itself is lined with them along the building itself, PLUS there are inner and outer ring security cams, strange how all these are now held secret within the catch-all national security umbrella. An easy and quick way to end the debate, SHOW US THE FILMS

[jimmer]

The truth is that an airliner did not hit the pentagon -- as simple as that...

from what I'm getting, no one has reviewed the 'crash site summary.'
if you have not, then do it. just do it. do it now.
and be nice, be civil, even though the 'truth' may hurt.

once you've eliminated solid evidence that doesn't support your tribe beliefs,
you are not seeking the truth. you are perpetuating a myth.

[3optic]

from what I'm getting, no one has reviewed the 'crash site summary.'
if you have not, then do it. just do it. do it now.
and be nice, be civil, even though the 'truth' may hurt.

once you've eliminated solid evidence that doesn't support your tribe beliefs,
you are not seeking the truth. you are perpetuating a myth.

What can be solid about a 'crash site summary', jimmer? I'm reading and it appears to be printed text on a page. I will read on..

[Carmody]

Jimmer, what it really comes down to is that you need to get over yourself and get over the lie you've told yourself in order to protect your world.

You need to do it as it's dragging the rest of us down, and killing us and everything you value - including you.

[Hiram]

You don't examine evidence with an attachment to a specific outcome....not if you have a hope of perceiving things correctly. As most of you have now pointed out, the debate about this HAS GONE FAR BEYOND EVIDENCE NOW.

At a certain point it becomes MORE OF PSYCHOLOGICAL STRETCH TO KEEP PERPETUATING THE SAME MYTH. And what does that government-spewed filth say about the highly intelligent and reasoning people who have posted on this thread?

I KNOW some of these people and have read thousands of posts by them and I know they are brilliant, they have discerning minds, I KNOW they are not just interested in the truth...

They are ferocious for it.

I know my mind and I know what sounds reasonable and what sounds implausible....When hundreds of professional airline pilots say there is no way they themselves could have flown the hypothetical flt. 77 flight path.....well gosh darn, REASON tells me to believe them.

When my government gives me some implausible cockamamie BS and tells me to believe it, because they have "documents" to prove their case....my REASON tells me this is LIE.

THey've lied in the past. They've lied thousands and thousands of times to us. And someone asks me to believe them?? In this case...this one case right here, they're like boy-scouts and we should trust that they would never mislead us! Wave that flag!!

The notion is patently absurd....and its insulting to the highly intelligent people on this board.

I'm sorry for getting worked up...but like many of you I am tired of the foolish debate.

[truthseekerdan]

from what I'm getting, no one has reviewed the 'crash site summary.'
if you have not, then do it. just do it. do it now.
and be nice, be civil, even though the 'truth' may hurt.

once you've eliminated solid evidence that doesn't support your tribe beliefs,
you are not seeking the truth. you are perpetuating a myth.

Jimmer, with all due respect if you look outside for the truth, you are just assuming that the obvious is true. This is never the case -- not in the world we live in today...

If you take the time to look within your heart with sincerity, you'll find more about the Truth than just having a 'formed' opinion. Thank you for the opportunity to share my perspective on this. :love: ~ Dan

"The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it." - Ayn Rand

[grannyfranny100]

Hi Spirit Wolf

So many people don't want to believe that our government/ shadow government will lie. How gullible we are. Since we are just the dumbed down minds of slaves, they don't even bother to make up believable lies. I am so sick of it. And don't forget, we have the best Congress money can buy. It's so disgusting.

Granny Franny

[3optic]

Jimmer, what it really comes down to is that you need to get over yourself and get over the lie you've told yourself in order to protect your world.

You need to do it as it's dragging the rest of us down, and killing us and everything you value - including you.

Carmody I don't feel I'm being dragged down. I also don't feel Jimmer's opinion is akin to mass murder. I enjoyed your early posts on this topic because it's helpful for me to hear/read debate on this for "sharpening" (thanks Dale) . Some perspective is required here. I agree with your take on events but it serves no one when we use this kind of rhetoric.

take care,
3optic

[Zook]

Hi 3optic,


Carmody I don't feel I'm being dragged down. I also don't feel Jimmer's opinion is akin to mass murder. I enjoyed your early posts on this topic because it's helpful for me to hear/read debate on this for "sharpening" (thanks Dale) . Some perspective is required here. I agree with your take on events but it serves no one when we use this kind of rhetoric.
take care,
3optic

I beg to disagree. Exposing that ignorance which directly harms the truth (e.g. by delaying it) ... serves the truth.

Carmody is only stating what needs to be said. The truth is not always a soft pillow to rest one's head on.

IMHO, OC.

:typing:

[jimmer]

if any of you think that I'm a lap dog for big gov't you don't know what you're talking about.
it just kills me that so many intelligent people can ride a destructive band wagon like this.
look at the global warming-cum-climate change scare.
today it's clearly the sun activity that's driving the global temps and atmospherics,
but over the years, highly intelligent, deeply educated people have fallen for this
maniacal distributive scheme hatched by UN elitists.

back to the pentagon.
I do appreciate how easy it is to see conspiracies.
How easy it is to see shadowy figures everywhere.
But in the case of the pentagon crash, hundreds/thousdands of people have been part
of the event's documentation. Some from the gov't, some independents, with hard,detailed evidence
of a hijacked flight 77 that devastated the structure and killed all those innocent people.
There is no physical,hard evidence that it was a missile. Only conspiracy theories and
thuggish behavior to those who disagree.

As I thinking, breathing human being, I refuse to accept this conspiracy theory
without proof.

call me an army of one. there are millions of us.
now, let's talk about something else.
try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPczz5yhVNM&feature=related

[3optic]

Hi 3optic,



I beg to disagree. Exposing that ignorance which directly harms the truth (e.g. by delaying it) ... serves the truth.

Carmody is only stating what needs to be said. The truth is not always a soft pillow to rest one's head on.

IMHO, OC.

:typing:

Be that as it may I feel we venture into dangerous territory when we recuse those with differing opinions. It's possible to refute his points on facts alone and not defame the man. There are many otherwise intelligent people who share his opinion. It will not help your cause to personalize this discussion and use overwrought accusatory language. Bring him around gently ;)

[SPIRIT WOLF]

if any of you think that I'm a lap dog for big gov't you don't know what you're talking about.
it just kills me that so many intelligent people can ride a destructive band wagon like this.
look at the global warming-cum-climate change scare.
today it's clearly the sun activity that's driving the global temps and atmospherics,
but over the years, highly intelligent, deeply educated people have fallen for this
maniacal distributive scheme hatched by UN elitists.

back to the pentagon.
I do appreciate how easy it is to see conspiracies.
How easy it is to see shadowy figures everywhere.
But in the case of the pentagon crash, hundreds/thousdands of people have been part
of the event's documentation. Some from the gov't, some independents, with hard,detailed evidence
of a hijacked flight 77 that devastated the structure and killed all those innocent people.
There is no physical,hard evidence that it was a missile. Only conspiracy theories and
thuggish behavior to those who disagree.

As I thinking, breathing human being, I refuse to accept this conspiracy theory
without proof.

call me an army of one. there are millions of us.
now, let's talk about something else.
try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPczz5yhVNM&feature=related

As you have not ONE iota of evidence to support your narrow visioned opinions other than those stated by those that were implicit in the September 11th events. Here you are the one under a conspiracy spell, not the rest of us open minded rational sensible individuals. The US Gov worked a big con job and you fell for it, thats ok, you seem happy in your little bubble of unawareness so we will let you continue in your cotton wool covered sanctuary. We truthers have a mountain of evidence to contradict the official story and we continue to try to open the eyes of those, like yourself whom are blinded by Gov lies. I fear however you might be a lost cause.

[3optic]

if any of you think that I'm a lap dog for big gov't you don't know what you're talking about.
it just kills me that so many intelligent people can ride a destructive band wagon like this.
look at the global warming-cum-climate change scare.
today it's clearly the sun activity that's driving the global temps and atmospherics,
but over the years, highly intelligent, deeply educated people have fallen for this
maniacal distributive scheme hatched by UN elitists.

back to the pentagon.
I do appreciate how easy it is to see conspiracies.
How easy it is to see shadowy figures everywhere.
But in the case of the pentagon crash, hundreds/thousdands of people have been part
of the event's documentation. Some from the gov't, some independents, with hard,detailed evidence
of a hijacked flight 77 that devastated the structure and killed all those innocent people.
There is no physical,hard evidence that it was a missile. Only conspiracy theories and
thuggish behavior to those who disagree.

As I thinking, breathing human being, I refuse to accept this conspiracy theory
without proof.

call me an army of one. there are millions of us.
now, let's talk about something else.
try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPczz5yhVNM&feature=related

Theories aside, the official story simply doesn't hold up to any of the evidence I have seen. Still would love for you to reply to the question I posited to you about building #7.

[onawah]

if any of you think that I'm a lap dog for big gov't you don't know what you're talking about.
it just kills me that so many intelligent people can ride a destructive band wagon like this.
look at the global warming-cum-climate change scare.
today it's clearly the sun activity that's driving the global temps and atmospherics,
but over the years, highly intelligent, deeply educated people have fallen for this
maniacal distributive scheme hatched by UN elitists.

back to the pentagon.
I do appreciate how easy it is to see conspiracies.
How easy it is to see shadowy figures everywhere.
But in the case of the pentagon crash, hundreds/thousdands of people have been part
of the event's documentation. Some from the gov't, some independents, with hard,detailed evidence
of a hijacked flight 77 that devastated the structure and killed all those innocent people.
There is no physical,hard evidence that it was a missile. Only conspiracy theories and
thuggish behavior to those who disagree.

As I thinking, breathing human being, I refuse to accept this conspiracy theory
without proof.

call me an army of one. there are millions of us.
now, let's talk about something else.
try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPczz5yhVNM&feature=related

So Jimmer, why are you even on the Project Avalon forum? It should be clear to you by now that this is a forum for people who think OUTSIDE the box. Are you hoping to convert us to your views? I think I can safely say that most of us here have been there, done that, and are not going back to unquestioning acceptance of what the gov wants us to believe.
If conversion to the "party line" here is your goal, you should know it is a lost cause and a waste of time.

[Cate]

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[NoTingles]

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[jimmer]

So Jimmer, why are you even on the Project Avalon forum?

I'm surprised, onawah, that someone of your maturity would ask such a vacant question.
of course there is a world of mysteries to pursue.
this discussion is only one of them: what happened at the pentagon?
capisca?
as far a trying to convert anyone, I am not.
it's about dialogue/information/discovery, not kool-aid.

[onawah]

And I am surprised that anyone on this forum would have so little insight into what actually happened at the Pentagon.

[Hiram]

High Jimmer,

I appreciate a dissenting opinion as much as the next person but I think someone makes a good point about "out-of the box" thinking above.

No matter what evidence you present, you can't escape the fact that you have aligned yourself with Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney on this issue. They too espouse that flt 77 indeed crashed into the pentagon. Your opinion aligns with theirs as you espouse that point.

I don't really think this comes down to evidence, I think the 800lb gorilla in the room is "judgment".

You fail to address and justify how your opinion could possibly align with the despicable individuals I just mentioned above. Does that not bother you one iota? Does that not give you pause?

[jimmer]

ok, ok, I'm bending to your will, ah, ah, I see the light, it was, I was a, a...
plane. sorry, but the facts I've read (and I've read and viewed everything)
still support that flight 77 slammed into the pentagon. lots a plane debris on the ground, etc.

woo, that was close. but please go on and believe anything that strikes your fancy.

[Hiram]

ok, ok, I'm bending to your will, ah, ah, I see the light, it was, I was a, a...
plane. sorry, but the facts I've read (and I've read and viewed everything)
still support that flight 77 slammed into the pentagon. lots a plane debris on the ground, etc.

woo, that was close. but please go on and believe anything that strikes your fancy.

I think its a legitimate question...have you considered that you are espousing the same position as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld?

Perhaps you don't really care and that is not an issue for you. If that is the case you can let us know. I think its a fair position. I just want everyone to be clear here. No mocking tone is required.

[AlkaMyst]

I have posted sometime ago all the episode of both season 1 & 2 of "Conspiracy Theory" on my blog (https://www.theavalonfiles.com/blog/?p=85) for easier viewing if anyone is interested!!!

[kouby]

I don't mean to be nasty, but if someone still believes a commercial airliner hit the pentagon, you reaaally need to switch off the TV for a minute. Get back to studying older false-flag cases and check up the similarities, then cross-check the money issue which is just so effing blatant here, check out the data storage and asset storage in WTC 1,2 & 7 and just connect the dots.

This was not only to go to war and boost the economy and instigate fear into everyone, it was, probably mainly, to cover-up all the recent ****-ups of the Cheney clan and get everyone looking at something else than all the missing money.

"Follow the money" is not the best known investigative tip for nothing, in 99% of cases you don't even have to look anywhere else. Cui bono. It's blatant here, and no need for a philosophical degree to see that if you're buying the story of the guy who benefits, you might as well just stop now and go back to watching dancing with the stars.

[3optic]

sorry, but the facts I've read (and I've read and viewed everything)
still support that flight 77 slammed into the pentagon. lots a plane debris on the ground, etc.


"Facts you've read? You've "read and viewed everything?" These assertions are specious, Jimmer. I like to read religious pamphlets for fun sometimes.

[Axman]

Its true they did find a jet engine but not from that type of plane.
What how did that happen oh yea thats right they check the plans before every flight they must have changed it to a diff. type they do it all the time.
NOT :smash:

[Eligos]

Well Jimmer, after all those responses, you are still clinging to the official story/theory? Cant you put 2 and 2 together and extrapolate? Where are the two damn holes from the engines? Face the facts, they are missing. If the engine holes are missing it because THEY WHERE NEVER THERE. End of story. No matter what comes after that is pointless.
How I would love to be in your bubble. Alas, once awake there is no turning back I'm afraid.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I think its a legitimate question...have you considered that you are espousing the same position as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld?

Perhaps you don't really care and that is not an issue for you. If that is the case you can let us know. I think its a fair position. I just want everyone to be clear here. No mocking tone is required.

Allow me to mock, jimmer, your head is so far up your ass you are breathing out farts, you are plainly a lost cause, or should that be plane-ly LOL

[jimmer]

anyone who names himself 'spirt wolf' shouldn't mock anyone, for any reason. :p

[Axman]

Wow sticks and stones
Ok Ok it was a plane it just did not look like one hows that feel better.

LOL

[SPIRIT WOLF]

anyone who names himself 'spirt wolf' shouldn't mock anyone, for any reason. :p

ROFL ROFL ROFL..............is that the best retort you can manage?

[Eligos]

The two engines in the Pentagon is analogous to the twin towers collapsing in less than 10 sec. Just with that, you have a clear picture of the truth.
The more fluoride people drink, the more they will deny obvious physical manifestations right smack in front of them. They just don't believe there eyes.
We have indeed come a long way, down a one way street.

[Ross]

Lets keep things respectful and refrain from name calling...please

Jimmer, what are your views regarding the twin towers and building 7? this happened on the same day, by the same group of terrorists...officially.

Ross

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Didn't anyone see the hint at humour in my post? Besides when its PLAINLY obvious no plane hit the damn building and someone keeps rattling on and on and on that they think it did, well, it just MIGHT pee off a few of us, my patience is limited.

[Kari Lynn]

I just read this whole thing, and I can't believe that after 10 years, it's still about whether or not a plane hit the pentagon. Shouldn't this be about the PEOPLE! Aren't the people who died important enough to try and figure out what happened to them?

If it wasn't a plane fine,
Then just tell me what really did happen to flight 77 and where did all the people go?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Of course BUT its also important to root out and expose the lies, as for the passengers of 4 alleged hijacked planes, let me see, the controllers are nasty vicious bastards so giving them new identities and resettling them elsewhere would not be an option. Someone having a conscience might come forward and spoil things, so guess what they did? Thats right, they killed them, and kept the DNA in order to substantiate the official story and have 'proof' via the DNA samples that all 4 planes passengers were killed by nasty horrible terrorists.

[jimmer]

unlike some, I'm not snarky by nature.
but when a fellow PA gets personally pissy, the respect wains. ruff, ruff.

as for the towers and building 7, frankly, not sure.
but from everything I've viewed and read, to think that a hologram, haarp,
some unknown trick of the eye caused it. that doesn't wash for me.
I live near where the 'pilots' trained and it's an embarrassment that lingers.
I've read lots about the physics of the towers collapse / 'powder' effect and
that's very interesting to me, but still, something this massive, on such a grand scale with so many witnesses can't be explained using scifi.
so to me, there are uncommon side effects that happen when the uncommon happens. that's what I think.

my focus has been on the pentagon and those lost souls.
it's part of the bigger story that can be more easily dissected and studied.

so, to you it may always be a missile.
to me, until irrefutable new proof, it was flight 77, carrying one of my favorite authors.
and please don't accuse me of holding back progress towards a new 911 commission.
free thinkers should be welcomed at PA.
circumstantial evidence won't wash will something so big.
so please, find an insider, whistle blower who will spill the beans.
but until then, this whole thing will only sour your lives.

and of course, I say all of this with respect and good will to all PAers.

[Kari Lynn]

Okay, then based on where the plane took off from, WHERE did TPB land that plane that would allow for NO witnesses to see them remove and kill the passengers, let alone see a huge plane?
If you can find out where ELSE that plane would have landed, there you'd likely find the DNA, remains, etc... that would place the victims in another location. Wouldn't it be a little easier to prove where the plane was, than were the plane was not?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Perhaps we are getting into areas a wee bit too hot for this open forum with no checks on whom watches. 4 planes in all, 4 sets of passengers, thus allegedly 4 sets of DNA samples kept by the officials. Lets for one moment cool down this topic as I'd hate to see it stopped, and say the 2 sites that cause more conflict re plausibility, Pentagon and Shanksville, 2 sites, 2 planes, or rather NO planes, no debris, no bodies, nothing at either. Even forensics stated not a single drop of blood found at Shanksville, yet 'they' had all the passengers DNA. Hmmm, quite simply the crash was elsewhere, more likely, as we are keeping this COOL, it was diverted and passengers removed, you know their fate. I'm known for speaking too much and you know Kari what has happened to me before now by talking too much. So lets just cruise past this point and get back to jimmers fav pastime, accepting a blooming great jet hit the Pentagon.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

unlike some, I'm not snarky by nature.
but when a fellow PA gets personally pissy, the respect wains. ruff, ruff.

as for the towers and building 7, frankly, not sure.
but from everything I've viewed and read, to think that a hologram, haarp,
some unknown trick of the eye caused it. that doesn't wash for me.
I live near where the 'pilots' trained and it's an embarrassment that lingers.
I've read lots about the physics of the towers collapse / 'powder' effect and
that's very interesting to me, but still, something this massive, on such a grand scale with so many witnesses can't be explained using scifi.
so to me, there are uncommon side effects that happen when the uncommon happens. that's what I think.

my focus has been on the pentagon and those lost souls.
it's part of the bigger story that can be more easily dissected and studied.

so, to you it may always be a missile.
to me, until irrefutable new proof, it was flight 77, carrying one of my favorite authors.
and please don't accuse me of holding back progress towards a new 911 commission.
free thinkers should be welcomed at PA.
circumstantial evidence won't wash will something so big.
so please, find an insider, whistle blower who will spill the beans.
but until then, this whole thing will only sour your lives.

and of course, I say all of this with respect and good will to all PAers.

Well thats fine, jimmer accepts the plane hit, and 99% believe it did not due to overwhelming evidence. Lets leave it at that. You have experts stating the case and you choose to ignore, your right of course to accept or deny.

[Kari Lynn]

Yes, I know all too well what happens when you speak a little too much. So anyone but you would have to say it! lol.
Not sure I want to either. Already had one grab attempt that I know of, and remote control of my vehicle while I was in it. Not something I want to see happen again. (Though they don't try to grab me for talking to much of these things, but for speaking of my gifts, and your artifact.)

Yes, this subject is too hot for me, I think. Not the arguement of what hit the buildings, but the pain and hurt I still feel from it. 10 yrs later, and I still feel all the anguish of lost loved ones that I can't shut down. And is just as strong today as it was then. You probably feel that from me when I write here.

[jimmer]

they killed them, and kept the DNA in order to substantiate the official story and have 'proof' via the DNA samples that all 4 planes passengers were killed by nasty horrible terrorists.

I was going to give this a rest, but what's your evidence for all these murders?
precisely, please.
school me.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

With all due respects jimmer, you are the last person I would risk in order to educate, you'll learn soon enough. Those that know me well can attest to what I have personally been thru with disclosures. This forum I do not wish to see 'cleansed', nor my personal safety placed in any harm, I've been thru enough. There will be a time when EVERYTHING is out in the open regarding many things, and after that I'll fade into the backgrounds and will not need to educate anyone anymore. I also was prepared to let you continue in your safety net but I'm a bugger for pushing and then my voice needs to carry on against better judgement. You would not accept it even if papers showing what occurred were shoved in your face so why should I bother?

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was going to give this a rest, but what's your evidence for all these murders?
precisely, please.
school me.

jimmer you make me laugh...

There is no proof or the card house would have already toppled...

so you can either take it on faith that the Brits and American's have ultimate monsters controlling every action of the country...

or you can sit back and say...


show me...


which will never happen...


nobody would like to prove to you more than Spirit Wolf at this point... ;)

[shybastid]

I just read the the entire thread in one shot. Here's what I'm getting as a "pulse."

Missile or Plane Crash?

If a missle,who's missle? And who in the NWO actually did the financing behind launching it? Saudi's to blame Jews?(Chinese to get finger pointing going?) Jews to Blame Saudi's? U.S. covertly backed both sides.

If a plane crashed into any(hologram NOT) or all the buildings,who's planes were they?
Saudi's to blame Jews?(Chinese to get finger pointing?) Jews to blame Saudi's ?
U.S. covertly backed both sides?

My point? Does it REALLY matter WHAT hit the buildings? Did they REALLY get blown up by U.S. Covert operations or not? (Black OP dough goes along a LONG way on the good or bad side of spending,depending on what we want or need from that country,or group we support at the moment. We all know that)

Did the families of the deceased get back "govenment approved" proof their family member is deceased?

Creepy questions.

I see none of the real questions addressed in this forum. Just WHAT HIT, NOT Who or WHY and are WE involved. (Probaly at some level,directly or indirectly)

[shybastid]

Did'nt mean to single out Israel or Saudi's.. Meant Middle East and all our other double sided friends around the world that would gladly throw dough at blowing us up. Unfortunatly including us for profit and gain.

[3optic]

but from everything I've viewed and read, to think that a hologram, haarp,
some unknown trick of the eye caused it. that doesn't wash for me.


I don't think anyone with any credibility is suggesting this.

[Eligos]

I don't think anyone with any credibility is suggesting this.

Agreed! That is not even an issue

[SPIRIT WOLF]

One member has suggested that this topic should veer away from what hit/did not hit and concentrate on what happened to the passengers. If we venture slowly along that road it might be a painful one for some, and no doubt will be hotly debated among members.

[Axman]

7 Years ago my daughter tried to tell me that it was us who did all this 9-11 crap and I laughed and said no way. Now since I woke up it seems so simple to see so I can understand where this is coming from. Iam done. :blabla:

The Axman

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Of course many will still buy the idea that inept terrorists miraculously did it all, died but strangely some were found to be alive and well elsewhere after the attacks. How convenient a paper passport, totally undamaged flew to the street when the plane was supposedly engulfed in flames within the tower. Awful bad luck that the engine photographed on the street was the wrong size too, but lets not split hairs!!

[olgraybear]

Question Barry, do you see any resemblance to Egg?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Hi Mike, love the avatar. Egg was a character that continued to prod prod prod with his finger and quite frankly was getting close to becoming a fried egg. Here its a different story, just someone whom for whatever reason does not want to even peek out of the box

[Agape]

Most records of historical events get twisted in their own times, not to speak about later days.

Maybe 2 or 300 years later the event will be noted in school books as 'Battle for Pentagon' :p

Which is a great reminder again of how little we understand about the reality of past and accuracy of each statements that can be subscribed to each historians knowledge, political opinions etc.

[Eligos]

Lol just stop, my bellies' hurting....:p

[shybastid]

Spirit Wolf Lets not read into what "someone" wrote too deeply about who created this 9/11 debacle. I'm off the radar.
I just brought up what I thought were relevent questions about the whole situation.
Question is more important WHO now WHAT.. That in any Wiki reports?
OHHHH So THAT did'nt get leaked.. Did'nt think so.
Heh.

[3optic]

Spirit Wolf Lets not read into what "someone" wrote too deeply about who created this 9/11 debacle. I'm off the radar.
I just brought up what I thought were relevent questions about the whole situation.
Question is more important WHO now WHAT.. That in any Wiki reports?
OHHHH So THAT did'nt get leaked.. Did'nt think so.
Heh.

Wiki hasn't posted anything above "Secret" on it's site. The chances of controversial material being leaked about 9/11 is slim to nuns.

[shybastid]

Agreed 3optic. Strange though isn't it? Nothing really surprising out of 250,000 leaks supposedly. The wiki's are more like a high school tweat leak.

[str8thinker]

(jimmer) but from everything I've viewed and read, to think that a hologram, haarp, some unknown trick of the eye caused it. that doesn't wash for me.

I don't think you need to consider a hologram, but to me it's quite feasible that a little video editing went a long way. You should maybe watch Richard Hall's 3D analysis (http://www.richplanet.net/911.php). This can explain the "airliners". The rest of the job was a controlled demolition.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

We could work on possible explanations regarding the actual 4 planes in question and their pasengers, of course its going to be speculation but at least educated speculation, based on the complicity of the US government at the time. I do not read into anyone, I base everything I do on many years experience in the field, and working with the 5992nd I have experience with psychological aspects too.

[Steven]

Last night, I watch the short report made by Jesse Ventura's team about the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

The most important points are:

- The oil spill might have been deliberately caused.
- There is an actual government plan to depopulate a vast area in the Gulf of Mexico (40 billions dollars).
- Corexit is more dangerous for the environment than the oil itself.
- Governmental authority have warned BP not to use Corexit anymore, but the spreading apparently keep going during night time.
- There is a "business" connection between Corexit and BP.
- 11 days before the oil spill, Halliburton bought one of the largest ocean cleaner company "Boots and Coots". (This one is quite hard to swallow as a coincidence :) )
- Halliburton made billions of profit in this scenario.
- Formal members of BP were placed at governmental seats by Obama before the oil spill.
- The US army moved in the area serving BP.
- There might be a plan to depopulate the entire area to turn it into the largest privately own oil production sector in the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLyoFu_I1Us

Namaste, Steven

[norman]

The second series of Jesse Ventura's presentations have been far more powerful than the first. Much more angry and finger pointing. It looks like they have been warned off making a third series.

The Boots & Coots thing is screaming obvious. Jesse also raised the point that with all the right businesses under the one header group there is likely to be more shareholder value in a 'disaster' than there is in a properly run oil pumping operation.

However, even though it stacks up like a corporate heist I'm still suspicious that there was more to it than profit. The explosion event itself hasn't been explained to my satisfaction yet. I suspect "exotic" technology was involved in the explosion. I still can't understand why the testimony of workers on the rig at the time say that the lights all brightened up until they popped. That's unbelievably odd. The reason given was that the engine driven generators revved up as they sucked in gas from the bubble that surfaced from the sea bed. That may well be true but it still doesn't explain why the lights brightened up and popped. The electrical circuits would certainly have had current sink regulators. Other than a slight boost of current up to a point where the regulator fully dumped the excess there should not have been a runnaway current surge to that destructive extent ( the headlights on a car doing 100mph are no brighter than the headlights on a car doing 30mph ).

So, I feel we have been lied to ( yet again ) and if that's the case, what's really going on?

[plumr2007]

Alex Jones reported that Jesse Ventura's shows are being erased on peoples DVR's . Have any of you had this experience?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMbaCkB40pY

[TigaHawk]

my mate was telling me about his years ago.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2009/021809_spy_camera.htm

Alltho he was the one to introduce me to conspiracy theories, i still have questions about some of the stuff he tells me. This was one of them.


He's also 100% certain that there is something in the Iphone/Ipad ontop of the camera that's visible. If you look at the black area on the front of an Iphone on a certain angle, you can see a little dot, like darker, allmost like that black glass you see in security camera glass. I am now wondeirng more aobut htat.

[Carmody]

IR sensor, IIRC. The unit can deal with Infrared signals.

[str8thinker]

It's difficult to believe we should rely on a YouTube demonstration of finding a camera/microphone hiding in a set-top box or personal video recorder (where it has no reason to be, compared with an iPhone/iPad). Surely most technicians who service these boxes would be able to comment on whether they are present or not, and if so, which brands do. Anyone here have any friends in this type of work whom they can ask?

I'm thinking of the YT video referred to in the article and titled Cameras in Digital Convert Boxes! BEWARE!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ4iIM8Eljc) It was posted nearly 2 years ago so has accumulated pages and pages of comments. My personal belief is that this is a hoax, and this is supported by posts here (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message731744/pg1) and here (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/83417).

To cloud the issue, it IS possible to buy a harmless-looking digital TV or set-top converter containing a built-in spy cam as part of home security. See here (http://www.microspy.com/acatalog/LoungeCameras.html) and here (http://www.securitycameraking.com/securityinfo/2010/11/spy-camera-dvr/). But this is completely known to the purchaser.

See also this 2008 article:

Comcast wants to put a video camera in your Television set top box (http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/managing-infosec/comcast-wants-to-put-a-video-camera-in-your-television-set-top-box-23242)

Jesse Ventura's shows (series 1 and 2) are still available for download on BitTorrent, AFAIK.

[Bill Ryan]

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To stream (or download) all the Jesse Ventura shows of both series in full length, click here...

http://sureynot.com

...and enter JESSE VENTURA in the search. Everything is there.

[jackovesk]

Why would anyone Hook-Up their VCR or TIVO to the Internet so the Govt./PTB can Monitor & Track everything they Watch & Record in the 1st Place?

Those of you who have, should all know better NOW!

[12gaugeangel]

Hello All - This my first post! I'm very excited to read many more topics and hopefully evolve as a result. Thank you all for having me.

--------------------

Why would anyone Hook-Up their VCR or TIVO to the Internet so the Govt./PTB can Monitor & Track everything they Watch & Record in the 1st Place? Those of you who have, should all know better NOW!

I wanted to reply to this particular comment from jackovesk to help clear up any confusion on the matter. I should probably make it clear in advance that I am an insider at the largest television/media/broadcasting/service company in the US. I was also SHOCKED that my company and many others were removing content from DVR devices for any reason. This is clearly a violation of trust between consumer and corporation. It should also be noted that when that trust is violated it historically works out poorly for the corporation. Just my .02 on where this matter is going.

To help clear up the facts I will offer this information: You CANNOT use ANY digital recording devices that are part of television service bundles without being connected to the internet or the service line weather that is cable or fiber-optics. That includes: Cable box DVR, Fios DVR, Satellite DVR, TiVo, Boxee, Vevo, Uverse. EVERY service company that provides hardware connects to the information accessed and stored on said equipment. It is legal for them to do this because it is currently labeled as "customer detailing" that is needed to provide better advertising and technical support. It gets really murky on the legal side when the company wishes to alter that data. There is nothing currently illegal about altering the locally saved information when the service company owns the equipment. Most often customers actually lease the hardware as a part of the service agreement.

There are many solutions out there which can help protect your privacy. If you are truly worried about what information your television service provider has on you then I suggest this. Downgrade your service to the minimum required to receive the channel feed. This will likely be a very low grade cable box that frankly doesn't have the technology on board to provide the full set of user data. It also will not record. Then purchase a third-party DVR or media recording system like a dvd recorder. There are many of them. They are not cheap and the setup can be very complicated. This is why the bundled packages are so attractive to the customers.

Furthermore, the VCR is safe and never connects to the internet. :)

hope this helps. I will be pushing against this issue from this inside. If you want to help change their minds, flood the customer service lines with questions and objections on the matter. This is a very powerful weapon as call volume is a major revenue buster and large volumes of calls very often change policies.

12ga

[12gaugeangel]

See also this 2008 article:

Comcast wants to put a video camera in your Television set top box (http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/managing-infosec/comcast-wants-to-put-a-video-camera-in-your-television-set-top-box-23242)


This stemmed from a comment that was widely blown out of proportion and taken out of context. That article is a great example of speculation fueled by facts. So many great connection makers (for lack of a better term) out there.

Some obvious connections we make are frankly well before executives think it through and realize where consumers may feel violated. There are so many reasons for the suits to boast about the technologies. They are not always initially created to spy on you. That said, when profits from spying are found, proven and legalized we will need to get loud about it to make it stop. If they make 30 beans a month per customer and they find another couple of beans are possible, they will want it. But if they stand to lose the original 30 beans, they will be deterred.

Some other things to note:
- some of the "camera in digital converter box" videos are absolute hoaxes.
- many remotes are being designed that contain microphones. just a heads up.
- as technology is developed to help improve and advance user experiences, privacy can potentially get harder to protect. Need I mention xbox kinect? if you don't know what that is, take a look and imagine the spying it could be used for.
- read your service or license agreements and refuse service if it doesn't meet your standards. yet another way to potentially influence the policy. Of course you won't get to use the service in the meantime.

12ga

[str8thinker]

many remotes are being designed that contain microphones. just a heads up.

Thanks for the warning. Can these mikes be fully hidden, e.g., no small hole? And is the presence of a mike included in the specifications?

[12gaugeangel]

Thanks for the warning. Can these mikes be fully hidden, e.g., no small hole? And is the presence of a mike included in the specifications?

1. I have not seen any with hidden sound port.
2. Yes, they are actually a front-line feature at this stage. So the specs would show its presence. They would likely be promoted heavily for the feature enhancements a microphone could offer. That said, the remotes without mics would likely be phased out over the course of several years.

[Hummingbird]

I had never heard of this subject, I have or had 3 ventura show on my DVR now only one that only got recorded for 4 minutes.. not kidding. I know i didnt delete them I have over 20 hours of free space still.. WOW

[irishspirit]

The former Governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura, is suing the Department of Homeland Security. Ventura claims TSA’s full-body scans and airport pat-downs have violated his privacy rights.

The former Governor filed the suit Monday in District Court and KSTP news, a local news agency reported the event. The complaint alleges Ventura was subjected to “warrantless rubbing of the genitals” when a TSA agent conducted a pat-down search in November at a Minneapolis Airport.


The lawsuit argues the searches are “unwarranted and unreasonable intrusions on Governor Ventura’s personal privacy and dignity, and are a justifiable cause for him to be concerned.”


http://www.thehalsreport.com/2011/01/jesse-ventura-files-lawsuit-against-t-s-a-and-dept-of-homeland-security/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTYo8gwbQg&feature=player_embedded

[modwiz]

The former Governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura, is suing the Department of Homeland Security. Ventura claims TSA’s full-body scans and airport pat-downs have violated his privacy rights.

The former Governor filed the suit Monday in District Court and KSTP news, a local news agency reported the event. The complaint alleges Ventura was subjected to “warrantless rubbing of the genitals” when a TSA agent conducted a pat-down search in November at a Minneapolis Airport.




The lawsuit argues the searches are “unwarranted and unreasonable intrusions on Governor Ventura’s personal privacy and dignity, and are a justifiable cause for him to be concerned.”


http://www.thehalsreport.com/2011/01/jesse-ventura-files-lawsuit-against-t-s-a-and-dept-of-homeland-security/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTYo8gwbQg&feature=player_embedded

I don't know if it will accomplish anything but....I hope it does and good for him!

:boxing:
Modwiz

[plumr2007]

Maybe this lawsuit will force the MSM to report on the erasing of Ventura's Conspiracy shows from people's DVRs and Tivo. I'm sure Jesse knows that are more than one way to skin a cat.

[irishspirit]

Plumr2007;

I agree with you on this. However, the MSM have ways of forgetting key information on key issues.

I think that this is a bold step by the Jesse, and it will force this issue into the open. May be then, the general public (otherwise known as the sheep) will start to ask question, and start to look for answers. This bottle for truth will not be won with Giants steps, but with small, tender and easy to expose steps.

Irish

[sunnyrap]

I'm thrilled a strong, visible man is taking a strong, visible stand--that does more good than anything.

[irishspirit]

Sunny,

I could not agree with you more.

[grannyfranny100]

I wonder why only Jesse Ventura has filled a lawsuit. A bunch of such lawsuits would provide tremendous push back against an out of control agency.

Granny Franny

[truthseekerdan]

I wonder why only Jesse Ventura has filled a lawsuit. A bunch of such lawsuits would provide tremendous push back against an out of control agency.

Granny Franny

Somebody has to start the trend first...

[conk]

Wait for it......wait.......wait.....Jessie Ventura demonized in MSM as bald lunatic. Or 10 lb. of pot found in his car trunk. Worse, victim of small plane crash in wooded area.

[irishspirit]

I wonder why only Jesse Ventura has filled a lawsuit. A bunch of such lawsuits would provide tremendous push back against an out of control agency.

Granny Franny


Rome wasn't built in a week.

Each country is now finding its own little "Star", that is pushing the issue into the mainstream, here we have Jim Corr.

The big thing here is the fact that Jess is moving the fight into their bottle ground, and forcing their Media to report this issue. Small steps is whats needed. Now with this issue being brought to the front line by Jess, we will see a massive leap here.

The thing with it is, Jess will have the ability to bring this much higher than the general joe on the street, he will also have the finance to see it through to the end.

[Harley]

I wonder why only Jesse Ventura has filled a lawsuit. A bunch of such lawsuits would provide tremendous push back against an out of control agency.

Granny Franny


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTYo8gwbQg&feature=player_embedded

@0:42:
Ventura's Attorney says he's fighting on behalf of all flyers.

I hate to say it, but that statement leads me to believe that this will more than likely eventually be turned into a Class Action Lawsuit. If that occurs, from what I've ever seen of Class Action Lawsuits, is it will most likely end-up being settled out of court. And if that happens, you'll probably see everyone named in the lawsuit awarded a few bucks each, The TSA will have to make some minor changes in their procedures, and Jesse and his crew will probably get a good lecturing and legally barred from taking any further action...Up to and including any further investigations on the subject.

Like I said, I hate to say it. But I can see it coming now.

We'll just have to wait and see. And hope for the best!

[SavannahSkye]

Worse, victim of small plane crash in wooded area.

This was my first thought when I read this earlier

[Circe]

In this never before seen footage exclusively for Prison Planet.tv subscribers, Alex talks with country music icon Willie Nelson and former Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura. Will the American people ever wake up? We'll wake the mother****ers up, proclaims Willie, but Jesse thinks they'll just go back to sleep again. Ventura points out that his generation, from the Vietnam era, are supposed to be in charge today, but have gone back on every single principle they once embraced. The start of the real revolution will only occur when Americans stop reinforcing the two party dictatorship by voting in Democrats and Republicans, points out Ventura.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH0wI6QMIrA

[Whitehaze]

Wow what a great video, these guys get it. And the are absolutely correct when they say people are focused on their own little worlds and thats why nothing willl happen. But if all that was harnessed and brought to a point.........

[sister]

"I was in the Air Force a while and they had what they call "policing the area." That's where you looked around and if there's anything wrong here, there, anywhere, you took care of your own area. And I think that's a pretty good thing to go by. If everyone just takes care of their own area then we won't have any problems. Be here. Be present. Wherever you are, be there. And look around you and see what needs to be changed."
— Willie Nelson (Wisdom: 50 Unique and Original Portraits)

Thanks for posting the link, Circe.
I've been a Willie Nelson fan for a long time, thanks to my dad.
Can't help but notice how bored he looks during the first portion of the interview.
I think when you've been around as long as he has, you've pretty much seen it all.

[TWINNICK]

I tried to watch that but got as bored as Willie and had to turn it off.

..Nick..

[jackovesk]

...IMPORTANT UPDATE...

I just finished watching the Jesse Ventura/Piers-Off Morgan interview in its entirety! See You Tube clip below...

As per usual the above CNN favored Clips (see my previous post # 3) do not do Jesse justice and only highlight Piers-Off Morgans Conspiracy Theory highlights! See link below...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17733-Jesse-Ventura-s-New-Official-Website

I am Glad to say that Jesse Wiped-The-Floor with this Pompus British Featherweight!

Well Done Jesse - Americans got a barrage of TRUTH Missiles rarely heard or debated on the MSM!

Watch the 'Full Interview' below..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peztNH3Ksww

:clap2:

[tkh123186]

...IMPORTANT UPDATE...

I just finished watching the Jesse Ventura/Piers-Off Morgan interview in its entirety! See You Tube clip below...

As per usual the above CNN favored Clips (see my previous post # 3) do not do Jesse justice and only highlight Piers-Off Morgans Conspiracy Theory highlights! See link below...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17733-Jesse-Ventura-s-New-Official-Website

I am Glad to say that Jesse Wiped-The-Floor with this Pompus British Featherweight!

Well Done Jesse - Americans got a barrage of TRUTH Missiles rarely heard or debated on the MSM!

Watch the 'Full Interview' below..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peztNH3Ksww

:clap2:

I enjoyed the interview, Jesse kept his composure well and did not fall into Piers trap to make him look like and sound like a "crackpot."

[king anthony]

Personally I say, Jesse Ventura was not "at his best" during the interview; however, he did manage to hold his own.

[Generous]

He seems angry and agitated and wouldn't sit still, the interview was difficult for him.

[tkh123186]

He seems angry and agitated and wouldn't sit still, the interview was difficult for him.

This is taken from Jesse's website regarding his shaking etc...


"Don’t worry I do not have ALS or Parkinsons. It’s a just a quirk that was passed down to me by my dad. My son does the same thing as well. It is not representitive of any disease or illness. Most of the time we do it when we get excited or are killing time. Haha. I don’t even notice when it happens unless someone points it out to me. It’s just a quirk nothing more. No worries. Actually I had dinner with my son and Kevin Costner a while back and we all noticed we were bouncing our legs while having a great discussion. We all looked at each and laughed about it.

Jesse"

[s3nru]

piers implying jessie had based his entire jfk theories on one newspaper after being explicitly told that jessie had recreated the conditions of the assassination and couldn't come close to hitting the target despite being an expert marksman is just outright bad journalism. this is an attack on jessie's character.

[andrewgreen]

I thought Jesse could have presented better arguments especially regarding JFK and 911, but still did okay.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Jesse may have missed an opportunity, while in the MSM, to address the United States leaving so much depleted uranium in the countries some feel that we are "helping". Depleted uranium will be deforming and killing indiscriminately, our troops included, for tens of thousands or years.

Obviously the military likes the idea of using depleted uranium weapons. I wonder how many U.S. citizens think about that.

[jackovesk]

I am Glad to say that Jesse Wiped-The-Floor with this Pompus British Featherweight!

Well Done Jesse - Americans got a barrage of TRUTH Missiles rarely heard or debated on the MSM!

I know some of you said "Jesse held his own" - "Did Ok" - "Not at his Best" - "Looked Agitated", etc... Which is Ok in of itself and are all fair observations...

However...

The reason I said "I am Glad to say that Jesse Wiped-The-Floor with this Pompus British Featherweight!"

Was because Jesse went on Piers-Off Morgans show to promote his book, obviously knowing Piers-Off would try to discredit him in some way, shape or form.

Remember, Piers-Off would have been working together with a Quid Pro-Quo Style Psyche Team working 8 - 10 Hrs/day for Weeks to mitre the questions asked &/or strategies to Throw-Off &/or Discredit Ventura any way they could!

...and all Jesse was Armed with was the TRUTH!

...and managed to have a public debate or raise the following issues JFK - 911 - Haarp - Dick Cheney - Guantanemo - Oaklahoma Bombing - Tortue - Govt. Corruption - Govt. False Flag Operations - Illegal Wars - Peoples Revolution - Corporate Fascism - Wikileaks - Private Bradley Ryan - CIA - Govt. Sanctioned Assassinations - Govt. Puppets - US Backed Dictators - Govt. Secrecy etc, etc...

We don't often get the chance to see these issues debated/mentioned on Prime Time MSM TV and Jesse squeezed all of that into 42 minutes of air-time!

Hence I Stand by my statement 'above'...and I should have added 'and the MSM' onto the end.

Regards
Jack

[Lord Sidious]

piers implying jessie had based his entire jfk theories on one newspaper after being explicitly told that jessie had recreated the conditions of the assassination and couldn't come close to hitting the target despite being an expert marksman is just outright bad journalism. this is an attack on jessie's character.

You know what's funny? That nugget destroyed himself with his stupidity, not the target, Jesse The Body.

[modwiz]

He seems angry and agitated and wouldn't sit still, the interview was difficult for him.

This is taken from Jesse's website regarding his shaking etc...


"Don’t worry I do not have ALS or Parkinsons. It’s a just a quirk that was passed down to me by my dad. My son does the same thing as well. It is not representitive of any disease or illness. Most of the time we do it when we get excited or are killing time. Haha. I don’t even notice when it happens unless someone points it out to me. It’s just a quirk nothing more. No worries. Actually I had dinner with my son and Kevin Costner a while back and we all noticed we were bouncing our legs while having a great discussion. We all looked at each and laughed about it.

Jesse"

No doubt about it, it was killing time. Without laws, weasels like Piers would show some propriety. I believe respect is due any size man or woman. Interviewers invoking the insipid, "people want to know," phrase is as tired as it is untrue. I cringe from those questions. Mindless, useless eaters are the target audience.

It is why I do not and cannot watch TV anymore. It is programming for lower life forms.
I could not bear anymore than 11 minutes. Piers put forward the undying lie of Iran "annihilating Israel" and Jesse did not correct him. I want a more informed person than that.

I wish my wife would watch less than she does.

BTW. Have you ever heard a newscaster that did not support the LHO single shooter theory for JFK? Nope. They wouldn't have a job.

[Bollinger]

Piers Morgan used a very classic form of interview technique which was to move on from one subject to the next without allowing detailed information about anything to surface. For example, with the 911 line of questioning, Piers moved the interview on as soon as anything was said about the molten metal and the remarkable fashion in which the buildings came down. He preferred to concentrate on the bottom line which is the belief that the government knew about it or instigated it rather than the details and reasons about why such assertions are made by very credible and intelligent people, far more intelligent than Piers Morgan, not just in the US but throughout the world.

Note also how Piers had nothing to say about Jesse's admission that he found out first hand from the horse's mouth that the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. Not a peep after that revelation. Instead he moves on to the next subject.

The details of each one of these huge topics could fill volumes and many interviews but it is obvious that the intention of such exposure isn't so much to gauge the alternative media but more to diminish its importance by way of clever and manipulative interview techniques.

Listen carefully to the power words and phrases Piers was using: "ridiculous", "madness", "do you honestly believe", and so on. These are the only words that people with no interest in the truth wish to hear. They are, by themselves, quite enough to keep them from looking at these topics with any kind of serious intent and the main purpose of the interview is to provide a pretext for saying them.

Then, we had the reference from Piers to the internet and how it was full of conspiracy theories. That says to the people listening; don’t look the internet, that’s where all the crazy stuff is. He was trying to draw Jesse on all kinds of other subjects such as Diana's death and the moon landing on which Jesse did not want to comment.

So the whole thing is an attempt to diminish the credibility of what is crudely termed as “conspiracy theories” to such an extent that anyone who mentions that phrase or anything to do with it is instantly recognised as being a crackpot. That immediately causes people to refrain from listening to anything of that sort and withdraw back into their usual mode of existence. So far as that part of it is concerned, Piers did a first class job.

[Lord Sidious]

This is my comment on taking the Piers Morgan.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASkkXg2uSyg

Don't touch that dial!

Television screams, your face turning green,
Don't listen to the news,
Don't know what you hear, they never make it clear,
They like to keep your state confused,
Propaganda time, the official line,
You're hungry, you get fed,
Everlasting smile, you must convey their style,
But they're just a Talking Head

Television voice don't give you any choice,
You only hear the man,
Don't take them in, you don't know where they been,
'Cos it's a complex plan,
They keep you nice and quiet, even control your diet,
You're hungry you get fed,
Teach you to be meek, 'til all you are is weak,
'Til you're just a Talking Head

Television screams, this ought to be a dream,
Remember what I say,
Don't be hypnotised by sugar coated lies,
Don't switch it on today,
It's the way things are, from that pickle jar,
You're hungry you get fed,
But if you play the game, you become the same,
Another Talking Head

[modwiz]

It would have been far more satisfying if Jesse had wiped his A$$ with Piers.

Now that would have been must see TV. :pound:

[161803398]

Some British have a lot of experience being supercilious and it can take a person off guard if they aren't prepared for it. He should have practiced with a few Brits before the interview.

[161803398]

The British have had to justify many horrible acts over centuries. The skill is passed from generation to generation. Piers probably started learning it in uterus (i almost said in vitro). So its something not easy to contend with unless you have some experience with it. It can be fairly easily undermined but you have to know that it is, in fact, a very thin veil.

[modwiz]

Some British have a lot of experience being supercilious and it can take a person off guard if they aren't prepared for it. He should have practiced with a few Brits before the interview.

Synchronicity is a funny thing.

Use supercilious in a sentence: "I'm all for 'moving on' from the two world wars, obviously. But I'm not quite so keen to 'move on' from the cocky, supercilious, haughty, and dismissive view of our great nation."
Piers Morgan: Achtung, Franz!; The Daily Mail (London, UK); Jun 27, 2010

Doesn't he know that haughty and supercilious in the same sentence is redundant?
Although if supercilious means, slimey, rat-faced weasel asking for a smack, he would be free of the charge of redundancy and I would recant.

[161803398]

and you also have to remember he is talking to someone in the colonies :)

[161803398]

modwiz: Everything he said describes himself. They do that all the time.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I think they like to get smacked anyway.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Its the schools they go to.

[161803398]

Before we go to sleep we should all eat an apple and start reading the first Chapter of A History of England. Then everyone will feel much better.

[modwiz]

Before we go to sleep we should all eat an apple and start reading the first Chapter of A History of England. Then everyone will feel much better.

I wonder how many heads I'll have to step around in that tome.

I am going to start book 1 of the Anastasia series that someone was kind enough to give me links to.

Thanks for the recommendation anyway 161803398, (hope I spelled that right lol) I'm sure it's a bloody good read.

[luciole]

He seems angry and agitated and wouldn't sit still, the interview was difficult for him.

This is taken from Jesse's website regarding his shaking etc...


"Don’t worry I do not have ALS or Parkinsons. It’s a just a quirk that was passed down to me by my dad. My son does the same thing as well. It is not representitive of any disease or illness. Most of the time we do it when we get excited or are killing time. Haha. I don’t even notice when it happens unless someone points it out to me. It’s just a quirk nothing more. No worries. Actually I had dinner with my son and Kevin Costner a while back and we all noticed we were bouncing our legs while having a great discussion. We all looked at each and laughed about it.

Jesse"

No doubt about it, it was killing time. Without laws, weasels like Piers would show some propriety. I believe respect is due any size man or woman. Interviewers invoking the insipid, "people want to know," phrase is as tired as it is untrue. I cringe from those questions. Mindless, useless eaters are the target audience.

It is why I do not and cannot watch TV anymore. It is programming for lower life forms.
I could not bear anymore than 11 minutes. Piers put forward the undying lie of Iran "annihilating Israel" and Jesse did not correct him. I want a more informed person than that.

I wish my wife would watch less than she does.

BTW. Have you ever heard a newscaster that did not support the LHO single shooter theory for JFK? Nope. They wouldn't have a job.

YUUP, I agree, Tv is programming for lower life forms! Pierce Morgan is no different from any other tv hosts, who represent the ideology that the people controlling the media want to hammer into our heads!
They are condescending, moralizing, and speak to the audience like if they are a bunch of kids!

This way of presenting facts, that P. Morgan has, makes me sick: afghansitan=Ben Laden=terrorism = a brave cause to fight etc.. in opposition to : going to afganistan for lithium = conspiraty= what a stupid reason to go and fight in Afghanistan!

I am really not sure what to think about this interview. In one way, I find that it's great that Ventura had a chance to speak on CNN and talk about Haarp, JFK, 911, TSA etc.
Maybe some of the "lower life forms" will start to think that there's another side to the story!

On the other hand I am really sick of seing people that are questioning all theese subjects, being considered as "conspiraty theorists" and always being totally discredited!

In France, a stand up comedian, who said that he doubted the facts about 9-11, got banned from the radio show that he was working on, and got banned from tv for a couple of months! Some people qualified him of a negationist!!!!!!!!!

SO, in a way, at least that Ventura got a chance to speak of his views... that's already better than nothing!!

But even better, TURN OF YOUR TVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (hummm ok, but maybe can I turn it on for the sunday night film?? );)

[luciole]

6706

see no evil hear no evil speak no evil!!!:angel:

[Rosco1]

I really enjoyed the way Jesse wiped the floor with piers morgan.

The interview in my opinion made piers look like an idiot (which is not that hard to do for a british journalist).

It's a shame piers didn't answer any questions, for he might have saved some face if he had.

What bugs me is that piers was editor of the daily mail etc, but likes to quote that he speaks on behalf of the british public, which of course is utter nonsense.

Seven eighths of the british news reporters (the statistics are probably higher than this) don't do the detailed research and often just make up lies just to sell 'the news' of what their bosses want to hear.

It would be great for reporters to actually print the truth for a change!

I love all of Jesse Ventura shows.
Nice to see someone with some balls to ask the truthful questions everyone wants an answers to and he is not afraid to go where most reporters hide away from.

Go on Jesse....Run for President!!
The world needs a leader like him.

Shame the world is currently run by arseholes (including the british prime minister and the previous ones).

I wish that someone from an ordinary background (not the product of millionaire businessmen willing to invest their money in a lackey) without the vast sums of money needed to run our country and stop making war in countries we have no business being in.

The common people of the world will rise up soon and kick the Illuminati and it's cohorts arse back to where it belongs.

Hmmm better get down off of my soap box! lol

[jackovesk]

The British have had to justify many horrible acts over centuries. The skill is passed from generation to generation. Piers probably started learning it in uterus (i almost said in vitro). So its something not easy to contend with unless you have some experience with it. It can be fairly easily undermined but you have to know that it is, in fact, a very thin veil.

The thing that really Effs Me Off 161803398 is that both my Great Great Grandfathers who were in the Australian Light Horse Brigade and Died on a Lie in the 1st World War!!!

Nothing has or Will change until the World realises WHO in History has continually Fu#ked Up our Planet and continually do so to this day!

Look NO EFFING FURTHER than the 'CITY of LONDON' not the people but the PTB Elites!!! You ALL know Who they Are!!!

These INHUMANE FU#$KERS are the Real Puppet Masters!!!

...and Their Game is FINISHED, FINITO, KAPUTT!!!

The World has HAD ENOUGH you Sadistic Royal Fu#cks!!!

PS - No Apologies - Sometimes I have to Vent..!!!

[slipknotted]

i dig ventura and hope he is in good health because thats something more than a quirk i noticed it back in the t.v. show conspirecy theory show and for mr. butt wipe morgan i wont watch that show again !

[Fred Steeves]

Watching pretty much any t.v. repeater is not easy, but excellent for practice in patience. If you can watch Chris Matthews for a full hour and not have a rise in blood pressure you're really getting somewhere....Unless you're just taking too much Xanax of course.....

I though Jesse did pretty well, especially as he is speaking unspeakables. Atleast he didn't lose his temper, maybe he's been practicing by watching hours of Bill O'Reilly or Ed Schultz.


Cheers,
Fred S.

BTW, thanks for the video, didn't know he was on.

[Humble Janitor]

I would actually vote for Ventura if he ran as an independent.

He could wipe the floor with anyone. being a former Navy Seal and pro wrestler.

[truthseekerdan]

I would actually vote for Ventura if he ran as an independent.

He could wipe the floor with anyone. being a former Navy Seal and pro wrestler.

And he doesn't have to be a "humble janitor"... :lol: ;)

[giovonni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck0sF5wnH4Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck0sF5wnH4Q

[Lord Sidious]

Thanks for the vid.
I haven't seen him say anything I didn't like and agree with yet.

[modwiz]

Look NO EFFING FURTHER than the 'CITY of LONDON' not the people but the PTB Elites!!! You ALL know Who they Are!!!

These INHUMANE FU#$KERS are the Real Puppet Masters!!!

...and Their Game is FINISHED, FINITO, KAPUTT!!!

The World has HAD ENOUGH you Sadistic Royal Fu#cks!!!

PS - No Apologies - Sometimes I have to Vent..!!!

Now, I wish the protesters in England would congregate as close as possible to the places where these roaches live. I have heard they are only in a few select neighborhoods.

Bring a few nooses just for a poopy pants factor. Just wave them around so they can see them. They have nightmares like that. These vampires fear rope more than holy water and a cross.

[JoeNashville]

It got off to a slow start though. Morgan did a wonderful job representing the MSM and gleefully ignorant and seemed to have Jesse a little frustrated. Then after that one break, Jesse came back strong. If Jesse could improve his style and present his info better he would really do some good. But he is giving it hell. Looking forward to reading the book!

[Gone001]

He seems angry and agitated and wouldn't sit still, the interview was difficult for him.

This is taken from Jesse's website regarding his shaking etc...


"Don’t worry I do not have ALS or Parkinsons. It’s a just a quirk that was passed down to me by my dad. My son does the same thing as well. It is not representitive of any disease or illness. Most of the time we do it when we get excited or are killing time. Haha. I don’t even notice when it happens unless someone points it out to me. It’s just a quirk nothing more. No worries. Actually I had dinner with my son and Kevin Costner a while back and we all noticed we were bouncing our legs while having a great discussion. We all looked at each and laughed about it.

Jesse"

My little brother used to do that. He'd be sitting and watching tv when all of a sudden he would start bouncing back and fourth against the couch. He never noticed when he did it, used to drive me crazy. I remember complaining to his Dad about it and he told me how he used to do it as well. That being said I get were he's coming from.

I enjoyed the interview although I think if Morgan had not been so good at 'button pushing' Ventura would have gotten his thoughts and ideas across a lot better.

[T Smith]

These type of interviews always intrigue me. I'm often left puzzled whether adversaries of truth, like Piers Morgan, stake out their positions out of genuine conviction, or rather advance their arguments out of duty to the network's or network's sponsors' agenda and objectives. On some level you have to believe Piers Morgan is simply an idiot if he truly believes in the drivel he's pushing -- or at the very least -- an idiot for not critically considering some of the nearly irrefutable points Jesse Ventura advances in the interview. And if we give Morgan the benefit of the doubt, and if he's not really the idiot portrayed in the interview, i.e. if he knows full well what's truly going on behind the theater of shows like his, how does one knowingly peddle the deception so well? If Morgan deep down understands Jesse Ventura is exposing the truth, how is it possible to be so convincing of your ignorance? In other words, is this just an act for Piers Morgan, or does he really believe the views he espouses? Or is this just a paycheck for him? In any case, I have never quite solved the answers to these type of questions with assurance. Sometimes I'm sure these guys know full well of the wizard behind the curtain and are but damn good actors -- sometimes I think they're utterly clueless and useful idiots to their employers...

Barack Obama's CIA connections are well documented. These facts, among many of the others Jesse Ventura raised in the interview, are by no means a reaching theory. I'm utterly stunned if Piers Morgan is that ignorant of the facts, or if he truly believes those who simply embrace facts (be they what they may) are "crackpots", to use his words.

[Ramdass528]

AgkrBs_RjFw
edit can't find interview but his one on russia today was really good, will edit if i find one that shows it in its entirety, hopefully...

[jackovesk]

Jesse Ventura on the View


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8eaiFmrdWY&feature=player_embedded

Jesse Ventura - Another appearance on CNN


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=233Uq8i7IW4&feature=player_embedded

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9mbotpeuJM

Check out the nugget that couldn't handle The Body.

[Lord Sidious]

Now for some old Jesse The Body Ventura vids.
On his way to the ring, from San Diego, California, weighing in at 271 pounds, the most outrageous man in wrestling, Jesse ''The Body'' Ventuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuura!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y5fl__ZIzE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAQvZCQcXU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-TtVBzDgQE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK3SgR_IcZ0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTHxykp3pt4

[s3nru]

Jessie's getting better at speaking each appearance. Funny how the Al Jazeera news caster sounds just like piers when talking about HAARP.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULUYRtnJicI

[Neyowolf]

Good GOD that was a smackdown

[charlesfrith]

I avoided Jesse at first. Anything with a basso profondo voiceover has me diving for cover. However his last two interviews on CNN and ABC are good work. We should get behind the guy. He's a bit 911 nuts and bolts but it takes true courage to ignore the calumny associated with pointing out it's a fix.

Thanks for posting this. I reposted it on my blawg too :)

[honeybee]

Quote: T Smith

"Sometimes I'm sure these guys know full well of the wizard behind the curtain and are but damn good actors -- sometimes I think they're utterly clueless and useful idiots to their employers..."

Personally I'd go for the latter. Actually it was The Daily Mirror not The Mail he used to edit. For those in the US, this is a kind of comic book rag that passes itself off as a newspaper.

[KosmicKat]

So the whole thing is an attempt to diminish the credibility of what is crudely termed as “conspiracy theories” to such an extent that anyone who mentions that phrase or anything to do with it is instantly recognised as being a crackpot. That immediately causes people to refrain from listening to anything of that sort and withdraw back into their usual mode of existence.

In the same way that UFOlogy was ridiculed for a long time, it makes a subject uncomfortable to examine. The fact remains that a great many conspiracy theories when examined closely can be proven to be at least partially true.

Joe Average will continue to open another beer and mock at those who believe we are being hoodwinked until he starts to think for himself.

[DevilPigeon]

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Piers Morgan is a judge on "Britain's got talent". Need I say more???

[charlesfrith]

Jesse stumbled at times. His performance was markedly below his George Stephanopoulis interview. Somebody pointed out early parkinsons but that's just a comment.

[Mandala]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM614BqUwCM&feature=feedlik


Apr 6, 2011 - Jesse Ventura and the Judge get into the government secrets exposed in Jesse's new book, "63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You to Read."

[DawgBone]

Good interview with Jesse Ventura:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7EcR1Nq0W0

I like this man. He calls for peaceful, lawful "revolution". Exactly what we need.

[Calz]

Lots of people here resonate with Jesse. He was on c2c radio 1st couple hours. Talked about a lot of interesting things ... his first "awakening to 9/11" and him appearing with Ron Paul as well as the chances of him being RP's running mate.

Perhaps someone can post a utube if/when one comes out.

Government Secrecy

Date: 04-11-11
Host: George Noory
Guests: Jesse Ventura, Alex Jones

Navy SEAL, wrestler, actor, governor, and bestselling author Jesse Ventura will discuss his pursuit to unveil what our government is doing behind closed doors, and how they are tricking us into giving up our civil liberties.

In the second half, radio host Alex Jones will share his commentary on various current events.

Website(s):
•weaintgottimetobleed.com
•infowars.com

Book(s):
•63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You to Read
•American Conspiracies

[DoubleHelix]

There ya go buddy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-vzhs_dVMI

Just came up.

[tkh123186]

p-vzhs_dVMI

I like how he said he would run with Ron Paul but he would have to leave the Republican party. Democrat / Republican just brings more of the same we need real change to the way our government works!

[Calz]

I like how he said he would run with Ron Paul but he would have to leave the Republican party. Democrat / Republican just brings more of the same we need real change to the way our government works!

Exactly (and thanks to you and DoubleHelix).

Doesn't hurt to dream ... but I expect if RP/Jesse could pull that off it would really embolden the "white hats" so that there could actually be a *legit* government here for the 1st time since Ike and JFK.

[jackovesk]

Thanks for the Tip Calz,

Won't be missing this Coast to Coast AM Show!

Regards,
Jack

[Arrowwind]

and here is a nice interview by Gary Null with Jesse Ventura, who is doing an excellent job in telling the HAARP story... the only person with access to media to tell the story! You have to hand it to him.. he will soon be doing an interview with Al Jerzera.
All of Gary Nulls interviews are quite revealing btw.
Find the interview dated 04/08/11
http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-gary-null-show-wnye/

[Calz]

and here is a nice interview by Gary Null with Jesse Ventura, who is doing an excellent job in telling the HAARP story... the only person with access to media to tell the story! You have to hand it to him.. he will soon be doing an interview with Al Jerzera.
All of Gary Nulls interviews are quite revealing btw.
Find the interview dated 04/08/11
http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-gary-null-show-wnye/

Jesse deserves every "truth seeker's" respect.

Great to see him get so much msm exposure. His tv show and now a radio spot which normally draws 6 million listeners.

If there is anyone who will *really* stand up for what is right and actually has the opportunity to be in such a position it is this guy.

Thanks for you post :)

[DawgBone]

Jesse deserves every "truth seeker's" respect.

Great to see him get so much msm exposure. His tv show and now a radio spot which normally draws 6 million listeners.

If there is anyone who will *really* stand up for what is right and actually has the opportunity to be in such a position it is this guy.

If this man ever runs for national office, I will definitely contribute in some way.

Ventura / Sanders 2012