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Studeo
16th August 2010, 21:51
TV Feed from the lunar module LM-15 during the last revolution before descent. LM passes over Tsiolkovski, Fermi, Delporte and Lukte before passing on the Izsak Y crater. The spaceship is filmed with close telephoto lens, revealing more details. CDR communicates the South -East coordinates of the major parts of the spaceship, approximately 4 kilometers long. Color distortions are caused by the rotating wheel inside the Westinghouse Color TV


http://www.u-subjects.nl/index.php/videos/viewvideo/109/grenswetenschap/alien-spaceship-on-the-moon-flyover-before-landing-apollo-20

Apollo 20 EBE Mona Lisa TV Unscheduled Transmission


http://www.u-subjects.nl/index.php/videos/viewvideo/108/grenswetenschap/apollo-20-ebe-mona-lisa-tv-unscheduled-transmission

Other youtube videos regarding Apollo 20


http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=apollo+20&aq=f

Ammit
16th August 2010, 22:12
Ok, the first one just looked too unusual for something on the moon, and the ebe one, well ok...
Thanks for posting though.

Studeo
17th August 2010, 08:07
To be honest, I don't think there was an Apollo 20. So I don't know what mission this is from. Maybe 15? But still a good story, that's for sure.

Bomack
17th August 2010, 10:03
To be honest, I don't think there was an Apollo 20. So I don't know what mission this is from. Maybe 15? But still a good story, that's for sure.

Hi Studio,

This was actually a very interesting story. It was brought to light by one William Rutledge on YouTube (user name retiredafb) which stirred intense debate. A fairly good synopsis of the story can be found here:

The Apollo 20 Controversy http://www.mercuryrapids.co.uk/articles6.htm#theapollo20controversy-14012008

Italian journalist Luca Scantamburlo interviewed William Rutledge via YouTube Private Mail and you can read the interview in it's entirety here:

AN ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON: INTERVIEW WITH
WILLIAM RUTLEDGE, MEMBER OF THE APOLLO 20 CREW
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm

As a side note, Project Camelot interviewed Luca Scantamburlo in Feb. 2008. But in this interview there was no mention of William Rutledge's story:

Luca Scantamburlo : The Return of Planet X
http://projectcamelot.org/luca_scantamburlo.html

I do not know Bill's take on this story, as I have never heard or seen him mention it, but I wouldn't mind hearing it! Yes it's laden with disinfo and even downright untruths, but it also contains many kernels of truth of which I am personally aware of.

BTW, most of retiredafb's videos (what's left of them) have been moved over to:
http://www.revver.com/u/retiredafb/
http://static2.revver.com/avatars/avat2_100x100.JPG

Enjoy!

Bob

jimmer
17th August 2010, 16:17
now that's entertainment.
I agree, apollo 20 was scrubbed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canceled_Apollo_missions

the films/videos are elaborate, fantastic and expertly fabricated IMHO.
although, the 'moon city' scene does look pretty 'george pal-like' (flat illustration) to me.

Fredkc
17th August 2010, 18:22
Bomack;
It was brought to light by one William Rutledge on YouTube (user name retiredafb) which stirred intense debate.

I went to Scantamburlo's site and read the interview.

Interestingly I went to EewToob and found "retiredafb". He had only one video which it says has been "removed by user". sigh...

While Rutledge does not come off as a poser, I worry about his videos, and such coming from 3rd parties.
He would make a great interview, I should think.
Fred

Bomack
17th August 2010, 21:49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canceled_Apollo_missions

I also use Wikipedia as a starting point when I wish to research most new (to me) subjects, but I am careful to never base my opinions solely on the information provided. This is why:

From the top of Wikipedia's Main Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page


Welcome to Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

And from Wikipedia's About Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About


Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles (except in certain cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption and/or vandalism). Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or with their real identity, if they choose. Every contribution may be reviewed or changed. The expertise or qualifications of the user are usually not considered. This is possible since Wikipedia's intent is to cover existing knowledge which is verifiable from other sources. Original research and ideas which have not appeared in other sources are therefore excluded. People of all ages and cultural and social backgrounds can write Wikipedia articles as most of the articles can be edited by anyone with access to the Internet simply by clicking the edit link (found at the top of every editable page). Anyone is welcome to add information, cross-references, or citations, as long as they do so within Wikipedia's editing policies and to an appropriate standard. Substandard or disputed information is subject to removal. Users need not worry about accidentally damaging Wikipedia when adding or improving information, as other editors are always around to advise or correct obvious errors, and Wikipedia's software is carefully designed to allow easy reversal of editorial mistakes.

Lots of people do not know or understand this about Wikipedia so they take whatever they read there as gospel. Many times I have seen info inaccurately stated. But more often than not I have seen where information has not been stated, or possibly even omitted. So whenever you want to research a new subject it's a good idea to keep this in mind. Sorry for the long explanation on Wikipedia, but (for me anyway) it's an important thing to remember!


I agree, apollo 20 was scrubbed.

This is one of the points that is highly debatable. NASA is an agency created by the United States government, responsible for the nation's civilian space program and aeronautics and aerospace research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA). However, it is overseen by the gov. If anything new is discovered, and they decide they don't want the public to know about it, all they have to do is deem it in the interest of national security and then the gov (military) can "commandeer" the program (This is even stated in NASA's CHARTER under SECURITY: http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ogc/about/space_act1.html#SECURITY). They do this all the time. So knowing this one can easily imagine how Apollo's 19 and 20 COULD HAVE occurred covertly under the command of the Air Force, and of course NASA (the civilian space program) would simply proclaim the missions "CANCELED". Interesting huh? :-)

Also something to think about: Apollo 20 was supposedly a joint Soviet-American mission to investigate this ship on the moon, and (for me) it's very interesting to note that Apollo 18 was cancelled (interesting info here: http://www.astronautix.com/flights/apollo18.htm) and re-designated the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA#Manned_programs. The ASTP, which was highly covered in the public light, was the first joint flight of the U.S. and Soviet space programs. It was basically billed to the public as a "Goodwill" mission but it's actual mission was to familiarize each other on how things are done so that they could fly future missions together. THAT was Apollo 18 (re-designated) . . . and then Apollo's 19 and 20 were CANCELLED!


the films/videos are elaborate, fantastic and expertly fabricated IMHO.
although, the 'moon city' scene does look pretty 'george pal-like' (flat illustration) to me.

There was a lot of dis-info mixed into this story and this was one of them. This might be expected in any disclosure, mainly to protect the witness.

This is only the basics jimmer. It's a very fascinating story, so I want to caution you that once you get started you will lose a good portion of your life! LOL! The jury is still out on this one, and the witness has seemingly "disappeared"!

Bob

Bomack
17th August 2010, 23:14
Interestingly I went to EewToob and found "retiredafb". He had only one video which it says has been "removed by user". sigh...

While Rutledge does not come off as a poser, I worry about his videos, and such coming from 3rd parties.

Hi Fred! Good to hear from you!

This statement was made by him in his ABOUT ME section of his Tube webpage something like two years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/user/retiredafb

I have too many problems with youtube who never answer my questions, the new videos will be online an another site www.revver.com, they are already there, and the new ones , the most important soon.
My account and messages, have been spoofed many weeks ago. Some messages have been fakened, my messages send since august are not written by my hand. Thoses messages included the special linguistic marks i placed usually. Some people oppened accounts using my name, tried to spoof email boxes, closed some videos, send invitationson youtube etc... To those who did the job; congratulations, you are well paid .
I closed my two rwandacell Mtn numbers. I'll open a site in cocoa island and put some other new videos here. I'm searching an old 2 inches video player to grab the eva sounds.

After he made that statement he never logged on again, until about six months ago. He (or someone) logged on to his account, changed his profile icon, and that was it. Very mysterious. So you're right about wondering who's controlling this info now. Most (not all) of his videos are now on Revver.com under retiredafb, but sorry to say that Revver.com works even worse than PA2 was working in the beginning.

If people are interested, I can see about getting some of them posted here.


He would make a great interview, I should think.

I have a feeling Bill could make a career out of this one! LOL! But I have a feeling CMDR Rutledge is now gone, or at the very least in hiding.

BTW Fred, Luca Scantamburlo has a thread on PA1 (as user talianfreelancer74) titled APOLLO 19 COMMANDER SPEAKS OUT - an interview by Luca Scantamburlo (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2182) The thread never seen much activity, but then it seems that Luca never returned after making his initial post. I don't think he's a PA2 member, but it would be great to have him back on here. He is a very nice and extremely polite man (We have exchanged emails briefly).

Apollo 20 is now an old story. But as I said before, the jury is still out. And there are HUNDREDS of people waiting for more from retiredafb!

Fredkc
17th August 2010, 23:28
Thanks for all of that, Bomack.

Unfortunately Steven suckered me into re-reading the old Krill documents.
But as soon as I get that off my screen, I will go have a look.

Fred

Studeo
18th August 2010, 07:26
Hi Fred! Good to hear from you!

This statement was made by him in his ABOUT ME section of his Tube webpage something like two years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/user/retiredafb


After he made that statement he never logged on again, until about six months ago. He (or someone) logged on to his account, changed his profile icon, and that was it. Very mysterious. So you're right about wondering who's controlling this info now. Most (not all) of his videos are now on Revver.com under retiredafb, but sorry to say that Revver.com works even worse than PA2 was working in the beginning.

If people are interested, I can see about getting some of them posted here.



I have a feeling Bill could make a career out of this one! LOL! But I have a feeling CMDR Rutledge is now gone, or at the very least in hiding.

BTW Fred, Luca Scantamburlo has a thread on PA1 (as user talianfreelancer74) titled APOLLO 19 COMMANDER SPEAKS OUT - an interview by Luca Scantamburlo (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2182) The thread never seen much activity, but then it seems that Luca never returned after making his initial post. I don't think he's a PA2 member, but it would be great to have him back on here. He is a very nice and extremely polite man (We have exchanged emails briefly).

Apollo 20 is now an old story. But as I said before, the jury is still out. And there are HUNDREDS of people waiting for more from retiredafb!

Hi all. Loving the feedback on this subject. Here's the link on www.revver.com for user retiredafb.

http://www.revver.com/find/video/?query=retiredafb&search_on=search

Bomack
18th August 2010, 08:16
Hey Studeo, thanks.

Since Revver is so unreliable I'm putting all of his videos up on my 'Tube channel. They're scattered all over 'tube anyway, so this way they'll all be in one place and I can link them to here, if that's OK with you. I didn't mean to hijack your thread!

Bob

Studeo
18th August 2010, 10:21
Hey Studeo, thanks.

Since Revver is so unreliable I'm putting all of his videos up on my 'Tube channel. They're scattered all over 'tube anyway, so this way they'll all be in one place and I can link them to here, if that's OK with you. I didn't mean to hijack your thread!

Bob

Dosen't worry me in the least, truly. I'm far from being an expert in these matters. I just post what interests me and any input is welcome. To learn is to live.

Bomack
18th August 2010, 10:41
One of Nasa's Attempts to Hide Alien Spacecraft
From retiredafb posted on 01-18-2008:
In the late 70's, nasa tried to hide alien artifacts. When you try to download this Apollo 17 spacecraft picture, you get a complete low-res photography: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS17-M-2806. If you want to get the hires print photography, you get this one: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS1... Apollo 15 used 4*5 inches silver negatives. No flight problem or scanner distorsion can justify such a mess. A natural negative problem is this one; end of a magazin. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-M-0113. In late 70's nasa couldn't anticipate public internet ,so , it's a nice bad disinformation attempt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWyhQsMztRc



Alien Spaceship on The Moon Stills From Apollo 20
From retiredafb posted on 01-18-2008:
3 stills metric photography made by alexei leonov during the last revolution before descent on the Izsak Y Crater. More details visible than the apollo 15 panoramic shot. ( http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625 ) Check also the flyover TV feed during this revolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORuIuV8OHUA



Apollo 15 and 17 Search For the Spaceship
From retiredafb posted on 01-18-2008:
Apollo 15 made the discovery CDR scott did these shots. Apollo 17 made the shots preparing the landing site choice. These pictures can be found on the official nasa apollo atlas at http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/metric/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU2jx0UmZ-Y



Apollo 20 Legacy Part 1 The City
From retiredafb posted on 01-18-2008:
apollo 20, august 1976 mission went to the Delporte-Izsak part of the moon. Despite the classified files, the apollo 20 belongs to all mankind It is a part of all human's heritage. Among the treasures found during the mission; the city, the spacecraft, the EBE mona lisa. Depending on the interest of viewers, i'll post 22 hours of tv transmissions from moon. Proofs that we are not alone, if there is still necessity to proove it. Nasa and USAF will be forced to tell the whole story before september 2007. If i do not post these files now, i'll never do it. This first part is an extract of the lunar rover transmission at mission elapsed time 140 , around iszak D, showing the city. Those who want to have the definitive opinion, verify the possibility of hoax can verify on the nasa server , search as15 - 9625 and as15-9630 pictures who show the spaceship, http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625 Please spread the word , the link on newsgroups

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Aqb9f2uKQ



APOLLO 20 ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON CSM FLYOVER
From retiredafb posted on 01-18-2008:
CSM 16mm footage through the AGC lens, made by Leona Snyder $& lunar orbit revolutions. Camera is fixed on the eyepiece of the telescope, less dropouts or moves than the Tv feed from the LM. Frame transfer is not perfect,speed is faster than actual, 4 different speeds were used on the 16 mm camera. The landing site is visible on the lower right part in the first lunar sequence. sorry for the first viewers and commenters, i had to upload again with a better codec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ivzOnVqqnQ



Apollo 20 Legacy Liftoff of Apollo 20 Saturne 5
From retiredafb posted on 01-18-2008:
APOLLO 20 Legacy Lift off of Apollo 20 saturn 5 from Vandenberg AFB august 16 1976. Note the marks on the rocket, different than the previous apollo launches. "carpent tua poma nepotes" check my account, the big apollo 20 files wil be posted soon, especially the most important

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGhuY6osAao

Bomack
18th August 2010, 10:45
APOLLO 20 Important Data About Nibiru Approaching . . .
From retiredafb posted on 01-28-2008:
Where is Nibiru, where to look at.... Some publications spoke about nibiru perihelion for December 21 , 2012. This is not false but two critical phases are scheduled for september 2012 and April 2013. Here is the adress of Nibiru with the most accurate datas avaiable in the beginning of 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdO0aGQTLic

Bomack
18th August 2010, 10:51
Apollo 20 Launch Feed Stage 1 and Interstaging Unit Separation
From retiredafb posted on 01-28-2008:
Separation of stage one an interstage unit, the USAF and CCCP markings are slightly visible on some pictures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8Rn68jfNc



Alien Spaceship on The Moon Flyover Before Landing Apollo 20
From retiredafb posted on 01-29-2008:
TV Feed from the lunar module LM-15 during the last revolution before descent. LM passes over Tsiolkovski, Fermi, Delporte and Lukte before passing on the Izsak Y crater. The spaceship is filmed with close telephoto lens, revealing more details. CDR communicates the South -East coordinates of the major parts of the spaceship, approximately 4 kilometers long. Color distortions are caused by the rotating wheel inside the Westinghouse Color TV Camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F2QN_GFbAo



Apollo 20 EBE. Mona Lisa 16 mm Film
From retiredafb posted on 04-07-2008:
APOLLO 20 E.B.E. Mona Lisa 16 mm film shot inside Lunar Module.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sLVgUgytmE



Apollo 20 EBE Mona Lisa TV Unscheduled Transmission
From retiredafb posted on 04-08-2008:
APOLLO 20 E.B.E. Mona Lisa TV unscheduled transmission made from the LM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEvwDkP2GFg

Bomack
18th August 2010, 23:09
"moonwalker1966delta" speaks out


Later on another YouTube user - by the name of "moonwalker1966delta" - has been beginning to spread alleged classified short videos about Apollo 20 mission. The discussion I present to you in this report is an interview I arranged from questions and answers accomplished by YouTube Account/General Messages. I sent my questions to his account on August 14, 2008, after some contacts by YouTube taken place since May 2008, in which he had already revealed:

1) to be a former NASA astronaut;
2) to be the (survived) Apollo 19 Commander (CMDR), and that <<since William decided to tell the truth>>, he thinks <<it's the right moment to do the same>>.

Moreover - on July 24, 2008 - in another message he disclosed his alleged identity, with name, surname and his former space missions as astronaut for NASA. I prefer not revealing it - as he has suggested - until more and new elements will be disclosed at last.
If "moonwalker1966delta" has told me the truth about his identity and this will be confirmed, his courageous gesture could change forever the human history and our perspective of humanity's role in the Universe. The Pentagon, NASA and the Russian Government - in my humble opinion - could take advantage of the revelation: helping to widen mankind horizons in every dimension, both physical and spiritual, and helping to stop the energy crisis, could improve the US and Russia reputations, and to level the current divergences among Mosca and Washington.
As I have already written in a former report, It would be a good thing to disclose and spread the truth about the reality of the extraterrestrial intelligence in the Universe, through an unknown historical fact in which the two great powers of the World of the past (the USA and the USSR) joined together for scientific and peaceful activities, in spite of all their differences and political hostilities.
As pointed out by William Rutledge in one of his comments on YouTube: <<[…] the apollo 20 belongs to all mankind It is a part of all human's heritage>>.

Virgilio wrote: <<Carpent tua poma nepotes>>. The Apollo 20 patch quotes it. Maybe we are those grandchildren…© L. Scantamburlo - www.angelismarriti.it
Reproduced by permission.



The following videos were furnished by moonwalker 1966delta.

Bomack
18th August 2010, 23:51
Apollo 20 EVA 1
From moonwalker 1966delta posted on 02-25-2008:
EVA-1 William Rutledge and LM shot by Leonov during EVA-1.Voices by Rutledge and Leonov communicating to Houston about Phoenix's hatch latching problem. Communications are all by Tyros satellite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBwHZJpbhX8



Apollo 20 Snyder Ingress
From moonwalker 1966delta posted on 09-14-2007:
Leona Snyder and Leonov entering Apollo 20 CSM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVPG0wnGf0



Apollo 20 Mixed Footage
From moonwalker 1966delta posted on 01-18-2008:
3 different views of Apollo 20 mission's LEM from top of a hill,close view and unknown view of part of the LEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciO9QqHTt68



Apollo 20 Preparing For DPI
From moonwalker 1966delta posted on 02-12-2008:
Shots by Leonov during phase of preparing for DPI.Sunrise on the Moon.Original sound with W.Rutledge's voice talking to Vandemberg Mission Control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzNNlVtleeo



Apollo 19 Launch
From moonwalker 1966delta posted on 11-20-2009:
Vandeberg Air Force Base Complex 6 Apollo 19 launch. February the 2nd 1976 05.30 AM Western time.The only Apollo launch with a yellow tower and no NASA signs on the rocket as for Apollo 20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKQ-OhoyEd0



Apollo 19 Incident
From moonwalker 1966delta posted on 11-09-2008:
Apollo 19 just hit by something and loosing telemetry data.Fire and smoke on AC-BC cell bus and aborting mission after TLI insertion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDimf-fYZSg



Apollo 20 EVA 2 On The Way To The Mothership
From moonwalker 1966delta posted on 07-04-2009:
No audio because encrypted and transmitted separately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhcVsYtCQCY



Apollo 20 Alien Moonbase
From moonwalker 1966delta posted on 11-19-2009:
View of an alien moonbase marked by Apollo 17 crew and filmed by Apollo 20 passing over Taurus Litthrow before landing.Rutledge's and Leonov's voices.Original audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UR_gpeOlEE



Apollo 20 EVA 3 External View Of The Triangular Shaped Spacecraft
From moonwalker 1966delta posted on 11-20-2009:
External view of the triangular shaped spacecraft.Audio encrypted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPmTllYIUKY

Zepheriah
19th August 2010, 06:58
Awesome work there Bomack, thank you greatly for posting all of this up. My jury is still out on this one, though i am sitting at about 95% sure its not genuine, the 5% thats left is thinking about just why anyone would go to such lengths to hoax this.

If it is a hoax then its very well perpetrated. Some of these vids, the hatch problem one for example, are very convinving indeed, yet some, like the mona lisa vids are just a bit too clean looking. Those two vids certainly don't look like they come from a camera of the time.

I'm still pretty sure its a hoax though, like someone further up said, its going to be pretty hard to launch a Saturn V without anyone noticing.

jimmer
19th August 2010, 18:55
pure entertainment.
fun to watch, but designed to be obscure, with little to none recognizable hard information.

videos like these remind me that there are people who pride themselves
of their superior intelligence to lie and deceive with believability (ted bundy like).
it's a game to them.
if caught in their lies, they say, well, I did it to create conservation, to spark your imagination, etc.

in reality, this stuff muddies the real truths we're seeking, produced by languid, criminal minds.
sorry that sounds harsh, but it's deserved.
if I'm wrong, where the hard facts and evidence?

The One
1st June 2011, 20:07
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Above photos are from Apollo Image Atlas=NASA website

While looking at the NASA Apollo Image Atlas I noticed this long UFO in one of the craters. Now this is an official NASA photo in their archives and thus cannot be disputed or debunked. Look at the photos below of the long ancient spaceship in this photo. I also wrote about this ship in both my books Dragons of Asgard and UFO Sightings of 2006-2011. I my UFO book I wrote an entire chapter on it. Look at these photos.


If you have doubts that this UFO mother ship exists please visit the NASA page at LINK`http`www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625`line-height: 1.2em; text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(0, 51, 153); outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial;`LINK http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625 and look at the center area of the photo. To better see it copy and paste to your computer and enlarge it 2-5 times.

It is amazing isn't it? You see, the Apollo missions were suppose to go to 20 or 21, but due to budget cuts they stopped at Apollo 17 moon mission. The truth is...they did Apollo missions 18-20 as covertly as possible. It is said that the Apollo 20 mission went inside this mothership and harvested the technology that they could find, including its alien pilot who was naked, but covered in clear wax like coating. They said she was not dead and not living, but in between. She was found attached to the pilot controls with several hoses going into her body.


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These videos were from the Apollo 20 mission. Apollo 20 was a covert Apollo missions to the moon to retrieve ancient alien technology. I'll be the first to admit this really seems ridiculous on first glance, but if you do a little research into William Rutledge's story, then you begin to see that NASA has been hiding the truth for a long time, editing what we are allowed to know and not know.

Below video is a close up of the mothership in Deporte crater, these videos were released by William Rutledge, an astronaut on the Apollo mission who now lives in Rwanda

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This video below shows the ancient abandoned city on the moons surface that they found, all these videos were released by USAF Astronaut William Rutledge, a brave man

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link http://beforeitsnews.com/story/677/774/Mothership_In_NASA_Moon_Image_Proves_Apollo_20_Took_Place.html

jackovesk
2nd June 2011, 17:44
Good to see you have finally worked out where to post information on "Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact"!

Kronuise
2nd June 2011, 17:50
Even thou i would love to believe this, there appears to be gaps in the info, I have tried to increase the resolution of the first image to get a better look at the alleged craft but there is too much degradation in the image to get anything along the lines of the images in the YouTube video

Forevernyt
2nd June 2011, 18:52
Also, if you take a closer look the images of the alleged craft are different and I don't think it's a trick of the light. If you notice, in the above image, the higher resolution image has a crater to the upper left of where the ship is. In the NASA image, there is no crater that close. Also, the shadows is wrong. Look at the shadows at the bottom half of the ship. Unless they were taken at different times, the shadows don't match up. Looks like it might be fake.

Be nice if it wasn't

The One
2nd June 2011, 21:05
Good to see you have finally worked out where to post information on "Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact"!

This is getting annoying if you havent got anything constructive to say jackovesk then please keep your thaughts to yourself instead of reminding me in every thread.

Surley you must have something better to do than remind me that i posted threads in wrong places

also why do you write in different colours

humanalien
3rd June 2011, 01:54
Good to see you have finally worked out where to post information on "Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact"!

What is this? I just seen a post by you in another ufo thread
saying the same thing. You trying to start a flame war or what?

You said the same thing here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21869-Mexican-Air-Force-Disclosure-Footage-%28shot-in-March-2004%29#3

and here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21661-Awesome!-UFO-Squadron-over-Oakland-California-%285-26-2011%29#3

Olam
3rd June 2011, 02:24
That Mona Lisa video has been around for a few years now. I always have the same reflection everytime I see it:
Where ever this was taken, there was gravity. Somehow it does not seem right. The paper with stuff written on it or the person manipulating that tool, it was filmed in a gravity environment, not like what you would expect on the moon.

DeDukshyn
3rd June 2011, 02:34
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21871-Mothership-In-NASA-Moon-Image-Proves-Apollo-20-Took-Place&p=234854&viewfull=1#post234854

Ya seriously Jacko --- what are we supposed to think of that ... ??? Any explanation? That is plain weird ... and that people have already norticed and commented on previous posts of you doing this ... yet you still do it when completely uncalled for??? lol, Weirdo ;)

the voice
3rd June 2011, 02:48
oh dear oh dear i think somebody's been playing with a camcorder at home and there not very good at lol :)

D-Day
3rd June 2011, 03:01
Good to see you have finally worked out where to post information on "Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact"!

Clearly someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning... feeling a little irritable today are we Jack??

Maybe a quick a kip on the couch will do you some good ;) lol

Arpheus
3rd June 2011, 03:44
Good to see you have finally worked out where to post information on "Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact"!

What is this? I just seen a post by you in another ufo thread
saying the same thing. You trying to start a flame war or what?

You said the same thing here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21869-Mexican-Air-Force-Disclosure-Footage-%28shot-in-March-2004%29#3

and here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21661-Awesome!-UFO-Squadron-over-Oakland-California-%285-26-2011%29#3

Thats commonly known as trolling?Sesing this in two different posts i would think the mods should step up and correct this issue perhaps?Just because the OP didnt post on the right forum doesnt give anyone the right to post smart ass remarks.Since when jackovesk beame the post sherrif on the forums LOL?

jackovesk
3rd June 2011, 04:04
Good to see you have finally worked out where to post information on "Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact"!

What is this? I just seen a post by you in another ufo thread
saying the same thing. You trying to start a flame war or what?

You said the same thing here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21869-Mexican-Air-Force-Disclosure-Footage-%28shot-in-March-2004%29#3

and here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21661-Awesome!-UFO-Squadron-over-Oakland-California-%285-26-2011%29#3

Thats commonly known as trolling?Sesing this in two different posts i would think the mods should step up and correct this issue perhaps?Just because the OP didnt post on the right forum doesnt give anyone the right to post smart ass remarks.Since when jackovesk beame the post sherrif on the forums LOL?

Your right Arpheus,

My Apologies to ALL, I had no right to do this...I previously tried to warn The One before the Mods did...about posting UFO stuff in the General Discussion Sub Forum before.

Having said that I was in the Wrong and as The One suggested I should have PM'd him 1st!

As far as I'm concerned the issue has been adressed and dealt with..

Regards,

Jack

D-Day
3rd June 2011, 04:18
Having the strength of character to openly admit when you got something wrong says a lot about a person.

... and that's why we love ya Jack, good man!

mosquito
3rd June 2011, 04:36
The truth is...they did Apollo missions 18-20 as covertly as possible.




How exactly did they manage to launch the Saturn V rocket "covertly" ????????????????????????????
I have various videos of Saturn V launches, but I have absolutely no idea how to attach them. I don't believe it would be possible to do this witrhout someone getting wind of it

Operator
3rd June 2011, 04:39
Back to topic ... the videos are fakes ...

There are lots of reasons but to name to an important one ... they would never ever take an alien body inside their craft
and investigate without any bio hazard protection.

When you hear NASA talk about alien life ... first thing you will hear from them is bacteria and microbes. That seems
to be their biggest concern. There will be movies out soon to reinforce the idea of Apollo 18,19,20 ...

Personally I doubt that any manned Apollo technology made it to the moon ... (they have most likely been there but with other technology).

humanalien
3rd June 2011, 09:37
Good to see you have finally worked out where to post information on "Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact"!

What is this? I just seen a post by you in another ufo thread
saying the same thing. You trying to start a flame war or what?

You said the same thing here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21869-Mexican-Air-Force-Disclosure-Footage-%28shot-in-March-2004%29#3

and here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21661-Awesome!-UFO-Squadron-over-Oakland-California-%285-26-2011%29#3

Thats commonly known as trolling?Sesing this in two different posts i would think the mods should step up and correct this issue perhaps?Just because the OP didnt post on the right forum doesnt give anyone the right to post smart ass remarks.Since when jackovesk beame the post sherrif on the forums LOL?

Your right Arpheus,

My Apologies to ALL, I had no right to do this...I previously tried to warn The One before the Mods did...about posting UFO stuff in the General Discussion Sub Forum before.

Having said that I was in the Wrong and as The One suggested I should have PM'd him 1st!

As far as I'm concerned the issue has been adressed and dealt with..

Regards,

Jack

Thanks Jack

I didn't realize it was a mistake in posts.

the_flyingboy
20th July 2011, 04:49
the first videos are from mona lisa of the moon and the head of a male from what i learnt only the females body was intact but the males was very bad condition so they only brought back the head from a giant ufo on the moon 1.5 million years old!!!


http://youtu.be/XqR8zDGIwMo


http://youtu.be/lAKNlP7reus
and this was there ship pretty big eehh?

http://youtu.be/7opVKLoQyys


http://youtu.be/G5WH75nPCxY


http://youtu.be/Y3X5oucqQe4

Lord Sidious
20th July 2011, 05:31
the first videos are from mona lisa of the moon and the head of a male from what i learnt only the females body was intact but the males was very bad condition so they only brought back the head from a giant ufo on the moon 1.5 million years old!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqR8zDGIwMo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAKNlP7reus
and this was there ship pretty big eehh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7opVKLoQyys


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5WH75nPCxY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3X5oucqQe4

There ya go nugget.

the_flyingboy
20th July 2011, 08:10
There ya go nugget.[/QUOTE]

thanks fries

ViralSpiral
20th July 2011, 08:23
a few dots dont connect

- secret
- confirmed by governments
- apollo 20
- mona lisa



otherwise....... intruiging http://www.smartforum.no/Smileys/SoLoSMiLeYS1/wink_smiley.gif

Nyce555
20th July 2011, 15:57
Wow! I don't know if this is real or not, but this is amazing. This is the first time I've ever seen anything like this. Thanks

Cidersomerset
20th July 2011, 17:35
Thanks Flyingboy don't know what to make of this yet ? I can vaguely remember something about Appollo 20 but will have to look around for more details
a little comparison here is the mummy of a 15 year old sacrificial victim from south america. It is 500 years old and still in very good condition......The only
simularities is the moon maiden is refered to as Incan, so wether there is a similar cultural background. Since South american gods come from the Sky....
posible but 1,500,000 is a big gap ?????? Cheers Steve..



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUDiXs927-U&feature=related

Lord Sidious
20th July 2011, 17:47
Thanks Flyingboy don't know what to make of this yet ? I can vaguely remember something about Appollo 20 but will have to look around for more details
a little comparison here is the mummy of a 15 year old sacrificial victim from south america. It is 500 years old and still in very good condition......The only
simularities is the moon maiden is refered to as Incan, so wether there is a similar cultural background. Since South american gods come from the Sky....
posible but 1500,000 is a big gap ?????? Cheers Steve..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUDiXs927-U



That should do the trick.

Cidersomerset
20th July 2011, 17:49
Thanks Lord sid Still having trouble sometimes getting it up !!!!!!!!!! I see you have the Knack cheers Steve..

The One
20th July 2011, 18:04
I remember this

check this link out below interesting

http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm




http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftransition888.heavenforum.org%2Ft568-mona-lisa-ebe&ei=IxgnTt_XL8KAhQfvldj4CQ&usg=AFQjCNGrEyg48whhpIJAPhWHNYbZ6O2sdA

Cidersomerset
20th July 2011, 18:08
This is a interesting vid of a moon city filmed by Appollo 20 !!!!!!!!!!!
Looks to good to be true, but beautiful somehow....

bf1G8JAGzt8

Ammit
20th July 2011, 19:18
Thanks to you all, I find this fascinating stuff to view. I would love to know the truth behind it all.

13th Warrior
20th July 2011, 19:24
This is a interesting vid of a moon city filmed by Appollo 20 !!!!!!!!!!!
Looks to good to be true, but beautiful somehow....

bf1G8JAGzt8


Come on you guys! This is a wall poster that someone pans a camera over; there was better film making technology in the 50's!

Operator
20th July 2011, 20:06
There is already some more material and discussion in a thread on Nexus: http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?2720-Bodies-Found-On-Moon-Confirmed-by-Governments&highlight=Apollo+20

But let me tell you if there is one thing that NASA is afraid of than it's extra terrestrial life in the form of microbes.
If they mention ET's they refer to microbial life ...

http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/101203-F-9709S-033.jpeg

There is NO way they would let a biological entity into their own space capsule.
I think that says enough ...

the_flyingboy
21st July 2011, 03:18
hi Operator if you can prove to me that this whole thing is fake i will leave avalon honestly,i just say my opinion:if you were an astranaught and you had a mission to go there and retrieve objects or anything that looks useful and you find the bodies of the pilots which have been dead for so long and in a place where no microbes can survive wouldn't you bring back atleast the intact body to examine it?

Moemers
21st July 2011, 03:27
http://apollo18movie.net/

Looks like some film clips from this movie. Sorry guys.

giovonni
21st July 2011, 03:46
Thanks for posting... i recall a friend showing me these last year...what i found amazing then was apparently the ship was full of bodies OMG ! The plan was to bring her back because she was in the pilots seat ? Note after bringing her back to earth and examining her tissue- it was estimated she was over a billion years old :faint2:

Operator
21st July 2011, 04:42
hi Operator if you can prove to me that this whole thing is fake i will leave avalon

I don't want you to leave ... but we need to know the truth



honestly,i just say my opinion:if you were an astranaught and you had a mission to go there and retrieve objects or anything that looks useful and you find the bodies of the pilots which have been dead for so long and in a place where no microbes can survive wouldn't you bring back atleast the intact body to examine it?

No ... if the mission was planned that way it would have been organized differently. You don't take a body just like that and only because there is a fortunate opportunity.

Microbes can survive inside the core of nuclear reactors, inside toxic volcano's etc. Until recent NASA even denied that there was water on the moon except now there is.
So no microbes ? ... doubt it.

But this is just on top of my already suspecting view that Apollo technology never made it to the moon anyway.

Muzz
18th August 2011, 11:44
http://www.angelismarriti.it/images/presumedApollo20LOGO.jpg

A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_exopol/exopolZZZZH_06a.jpg

An American-Soviet Classified Mission For An Abandoned Alien Ship On The Moon?
Released Controversial Footages on YouTube - Leak of Information or Skilful Fake?
by Luca Scantamburlo (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_36e.htm)

Interview With William Rutledge, Member Of The Apollo 20 Crew (http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm)

An Alien Spaceship On The Moon (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_36b.htm#An%20Ancient%20Alien%20Spacecraft%20On%20The%20Backside%20Of%20The%20Moon)


source (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_36.htm)

Tane Mahuta
18th August 2011, 11:51
Good post Muzz.....

Did some research on this a couple of years ago....

I do hope it is true, but until undeniable proof or

physical evidence is shown...we can only ponder.

TM

kathymarie
26th August 2011, 17:13
Hmmmmm... I'm so disappointed......the female in the first video looks so much like the photo of the beautiful young woman on Scott Waring's blogspot....check out the page with his hauntingly beautiful poem Our Longing.....What's this I'm feeling? Why, it's my leg being pulled. You really had me going for a moment there.

ghostrider
26th August 2011, 17:24
say what you want about the vid, I believe the experience happened, they found a pilot, writing, and a ship taller than the eiffel tower, and several times longer than the queen mary. NASA has to put out the matrix for the public, to keep us digging in the wrong direction, best way to hide is in the open. maybe NASA thought no one would believe it so they filmed what they had and sold it as this is what we found on the moon. then enter the skeptics. once science fiction is attached, the public says oohhh I saw that in a movie blah blah, it can't be real thats just footage from the movie.

kathymarie
26th August 2011, 17:39
I agree completely, ghostrider, that we're not being told the truth about the Moon, the Apollo missions, and who knows what else....so with every legitimate piece of photography, documents, video etc that exist to cast doubt on what we're being told ...why the need for chicanery. How's that for an old-fashioned term?

Turcurulin
21st December 2011, 04:24
Well, all of the video links have since been removed (You can still see some of this footage as uploaded by other YouTubers, though.) The only other video on the "retiredafb" channel is short and has a link to a site that my browser can't find - "Oops!"

Has there been any updates on this subject?

Gerald Paris
28th March 2014, 01:30
is this the only thread on this subject? I have been trying to get used to the search function on this forum with little success. I ended up googleing the forum and subject to get here. heh. Interesting subject. just recently getting into the secret space program. any leads on subject matter I should search for would be appreciated.

G

The Castellan
28th March 2014, 06:31
Awesome work there Bomack, thank you greatly for posting all of this up. My jury is still out on this one, though i am sitting at about 95% sure its not genuine, the 5% thats left is thinking about just why anyone would go to such lengths to hoax this.

If it is a hoax then its very well perpetrated. Some of these vids, the hatch problem one for example, are very convinving indeed, yet some, like the mona lisa vids are just a bit too clean looking. Those two vids certainly don't look like they come from a camera of the time.

I'm still pretty sure its a hoax though, like someone further up said, its going to be pretty hard to launch a Saturn V without anyone noticing.


Could be a secret launch of a secret space vehicle might have been used. Remember...NASA is the military's BITCH......it will strap one on and bend NASA over and bang away as much as it wants.

The Castellan
28th March 2014, 07:01
And that mona lisa chick looks erily similar to the tall, thin, asian looking alien I saw in my dreams I mentioned on the blue skin thread.

Inversion
28th January 2023, 04:12
Here's another entertaining and informative presentation by AJ from The Why Files. Apollo 18, 19 & 20 were classified, and part of 20's mission was to find out what happened 19's crew. The alleged ship is 2 mi/3.2 km long and 300 ft/91 m tall. When the 20 crew entered the alien ship, they found live carnivorous plants. They found a bloody glove near 19's LEM and figured they were eaten. They removed Mona Lisa's body from the 19's LEM and brought it back to earth. He said the ship crashed over a billion years ago. He also showed a manufacture mask of Mona Lisa as if at least aspects of the story were staged. IMO that was probably done in an effort to get funds for proposed space projects. The daytime temperature on the moon is 250 F/120 C. Some of the coolest temperatures ever recorded were from the interior of moon craters at nearly absolute zero.

01/19/23 (29:24)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpZKwbdbsJ4

Apollo 20: The Secret Mission to the Moon to Salvage an Ancient Alien Spacecraft

The Apollo spaceflight program lasted from 1961 to 1972.

Apollo 11 was Neil Armstrong's famous first step. Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon.

In all, 20 Apollo flights were planned but Apollo 18, 19 and 20 were canceled.

But in 2007, a retired astronaut blew the whistle and claimed Apollo 18, 19 and 20 did happen. But they were highly classified. He knows this because was the commander of Apollo 20.

He said the reason these missions were kept secret is because of what they found on the moon.

Well, not just what they found -- also who they found.