Intel assessment, YouTube, Dr Sal's video, and geomagnetic pole reversal

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

On 1 June this year, I wrote the following on a John Kettler thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45621-John-Kettler-ETs-EDs-Win-Crushing-Victory--Wipe-Out-Elite-Force-&p=499117&viewfull=1#post499117






The bulk of Henry Deacon's information, for instance, is unverifiable. Yet Kerry and I spent literally hundreds of hours with him and are convinced that he was sincere and well-intentioned. He was reporting, as best he could, his own personal direct hands-on experience.

[-- snip --]

"Information" falls into many different categories -- hence the standard agency practice of flagging intel on a band from A1 to F6 -- 'A' to 'F' being the reliability of the source, and 1 to 6 being the reliability of the information presented by that source. The two are independent. So it's possible (but less likely) to have A6 info, and also F1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_collection_management

Source Rating

A -- Reliable : No doubt of authenticity, trustworthiness, or competency; has a history of complete reliability
B -- Usually Reliable : Minor doubt about authenticity, trustworthiness, or competency; has a history of valid information most of the time
C -- Fairly Reliable : Doubt of authenticity, trustworthiness, or competency but has provided valid information in the past
D -- Not Usually Reliable : Significant doubt about authenticity, trustworthiness, or competency but has provided valid information in the past
E -- Unreliable : Lacking in authenticity, trustworthiness, and competency; history of invalid information
F -- Cannot Be Judged : No basis exists

Information Content Rating

1 -- Confirmed : Confirmed by other independent sources; logical in itself; consistent with other information on the subject
2 -- Probably True : Not confirmed; logical in itself; consistent with other information on the subject
3 -- Possibly True : Not confirmed; reasonably logical in itself; agrees with some other information on the subject
4 -- Doubtfully True : Not confirmed; possible but not logical; no other information on the subject
5 -- Improbable : Not confirmed; not logical in itself; contradicted by other information on the subject
6 -- Cannot Be Judged : No basis exists


Useful concepts to consider when evaluating info presented on (say) YouTube. :)


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The reason the intel agencies operate this way is that they have to assess a wide range of information from different sources, known and unknown.

And that's also what we all try to do, here. :)

Calling "Hoax!" and moving on to the next claim is not always what the CIA would do. They would take time to look at it rather more carefully. They have to. So should we.

Also, regarding 'discernment' as applying a Yes/No, True/False filter that enables us to either slam the door or hold it wide open, is not what it takes either. That's way too simplistic. 'Discernment' really means to drill down and look at everything that the claim entails, in all its detail.

For instance:

There are a number of possible hypotheses here. Here are just two -- to illustrate the point.

1) 'Sal Conti' is Frank Vidal, who had a few beers too many with his friends, one of whom bet him that he could pull off a clever hoax just for the h*** of it. The information Frank presented is totally invented and 100% without substance.


Alternatively...

2) As Frank lives in Houston, he's indirectly connected via colleagues with NASA. They wanted to release some information about coming earth changes (disinformation, actually, as some of it is false: the 331 days, and the ET communications) -- so the script, which was written for him by a NASA astrophysicist, laced it with plausible deniability.

Frank, as a jobbing actor, is short of cash, and was paid $25,000 to pull his stunt. He was ordered to keep absolutely silent about this if he was exposed (the transfer to his bank account has been delayed several weeks, to ensure he keeps his silence). In the meantime, the way this information has been received and processed in the alternative media is being closely monitored by the NSA.

(There are clearly other hypotheses, too. I invite you, reading this, to submit your own.)

Can you see why it may be important to look into this a little more carefully?

This provides us a framework for further evaluation of the Sal Conti video. I'd propose it seems to be an E3. That's NOT an E6! :)

My own personal stance: the information may be important, regardless of who presented it. As Kerry and I have both stated (and this appears to have been overlooked by many), this aligns with information we were given off-record in October 2007.

I'm grateful that Cidersomerset has started the very valuable and interesting thread:
Magnetic Pole Flip 530,000 Years Overdue & Happening Now?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48524-NOVA-Magnetic-Pole-Flip-530-000-Years-Overdue-Happening-Now

Even today, Mitch Battros on Earth Changes Media (http://earthchangesmedia.com) streamed a newsletter update entitled:
BREAKING NEWS: We Are Witnessing a Pole Reversal "Right Now".

Folks, this story may not yet be over.

[SilentFeathers]

I'm grateful that Cidersomerset has started the very valuable and interesting thread:
Magnetic Pole Flip 530,000 Years Overdue & Happening Now?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48524-NOVA-Magnetic-Pole-Flip-530-000-Years-Overdue-Happening-Now

Even today, Mitch Battros on Earth Changes Media (http://earthchangesmedia.com) streamed a newsletter update entitled:
BREAKING NEWS: We Are Witnessing a Pole Reversal "Right Now".

Folks, this story may not yet be over.

These two sources/links seem much more informative than our pal Sal :)

Hope you find a connection or something valid, it'd be interesting to see what it would be.

Post Update: Video in question.

gFSPWC8TKnk

[ROMANWKT]

Wow Bill I am so glad that you decided to state and continue this line, because I was about to say in the Dr Sal thread, that yes we sort of debunked the messenger, but as yet we did not debunk the message. Yes we all need to go deeper with the massage given, as your source with Kerry, and other sources are and have been stating the same thing along the same lines, my feeling is that this is not as yet completed to just put it aside.

Thank you and I really hope we will find more answers

regards
roman

[Tarka the Duck]

Thanks for the categories, Bill - a useful tool.

Would you agree that we might each call "Hoax!" at a different point in the same situation? This would be based on factors such as specialist knowledge, past experiences, prejudices etc.

I think I'd be more inclined to go for E5, based on a range of other sources of information :o

[bogeyman]

Sometimes true information is leaked to unreliable sources to discredit any individuals who leak further information on that particular subject matter. Also if information has been leaked, discrediting the unreliable source with the true information, destroys all the information which has been leaked, hence all the eggs in one basket.

The categories here are useful, but in this game there are infinite possibilities, well almost.

[ROMANWKT]

I hope you all don't mind sharing some info from Kerry at Camelot, but again its just information.


FIRST OF ALL, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER....lol
Caveat:  We had already been told that people are being taken off-planet in preparation for coming events and earth changes.  These are people who have their "tickets" because of their level of involvement in the NWO or secret government projects known as 'black projects'.  Or in some cases simply bankers and their families.  This is also widespread in the alternative news.
However, the following confirmation was given to me from a trusted SOURCE who is in touch with a scientist who either attended a Bilderberg meeting 3 years ago or has a close associate who did...


He was told that they are making preparations for going off-planet due to the incoming Brown Dwarf (and surrounding planets) also known as NEMESIS  or NIBIRU or PLANET X.  In this case the person referred to this brown dwarf as NEMESIS.  
They said the secret space program has been preparing for 60 years... and using "warp drive technology" to make it possible to establish bases, first on the Moon and Mars and then on the MOONS OF THE OUTTER PLANETS:  specifically, moons of Jupiter, Saturn and one of the moons of URANUS.
They have been preparing for the return of NEMESIS since then.  This object and her surrounding planets have been visible, they said, from the IRAS telescope since 1983.  It does return every 26,000 to 30,000 years and yet this pass by will be the closest ever according to this scientist.  He states that "they" at the Bilderberg meeting are very afraid because they do not have control over what it will do.  They are worried their underground bases will not provide sufficient safety during this crossing.
This scientist would not reveal where NEMESIS is now but says it is going to impact things in a big way on and around December 21, 2012.
They see the year 2012 as significant but NOT just because of the Mayan prophecy.
The earth changes will get worse before they get better, I was told.  This much is obvious if the above is true.
Additional random data:
1.  The European Space Agency Mars "Express" Probe sent out 3 years ago took pictures of the surface and captured green foliage.  This was put out then hushed up and changed.
2.  They discovered on their off planet bases that they need the SCHUMANN RESONANCE in order to maintain human health so they have had to build and install transmitters in all their off planet bases.
3.  The Bilderbergs and Rothchilds control the financial system and are planning a collapse within 5-6 months of the time this was relayed to my source in March of 2012.  That would make it right around August-September of this year.


NOTE:  I am simply passing along this information from a source because his source (this scientist) has no reason as far as we know to fabricate this information.  He is very unwilling to talk about any of it and will not discuss any of the above beyond his initial revelations to my source.  However, you cannot discount the possibility that this information is false and planted to create chaos.  


HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS TYPE OF INFO:  There is mounting corroborating testimony with regard to Project Exodus... However even if publicly stated at a Bilderberg meeting it is still entirely possible that none of the above is true or that it is slightly or majorly twisted to create a state of fear in those that hear it.  There is always a mind control element to the dissemination of information that may eventually reach the public, in my view.  What that means is that other than adding this to other info you have received and cross-correlating it you should be wary and rely on inner discernment to 'vet' this and how it impacts you and your world.
Because the mission of Project Camelot is, to get the truth out, I will release information as I receive it when and if it correlates with previously vetted information which lends it credence.  However, in the end, I wait until I receive inner guidance from my higher self before acting on anything or taking it as the whole truth and nothing but the truth.  
For my part, I do think the Brown Dwarf is real and incoming based on multiple whistleblower testimony and my own intuition.  When and how close I do not know.  


regards
roman

[13th Warrior]

This thread tastes like lemon aide.

[ROMANWKT]

This thread tastes like lemon aide.

Well bitter truth it may well be, but truth seekers we are on this site, all info is for assessment only, its not fear-porn, its what we have to have to come to a conclusion.

regards
roman

[ahamkara]

Thank you, ROMANWKT, I appreciate all the honest attempts to share information. The possibility of "incoming" does pop up from repeated sources. I sometimes question, however, if these are deep-seated memes in human consciousness that are used and directed to shape awareness.

The one piece of information I would question is the "green foliage". From my limited knowledge, plants need an atmosphere, and atmosphere is created by a planet's stabile rotation around a metallic core, which creates a magnetic field. If this field is damaged or destroyed (such as happened on Mars), the atmosphere is greatly reduced? Thanks again for the information.

[ROMANWKT]

Thank you, ROMANWKT, I appreciate all the honest attempts to share information. The possibility of "incoming" does pop up from repeated sources. I sometimes question, however, if these are deep-seated memes in human consciousness that are used and directed to shape awareness.

The one piece of information I would question is the "green foliage". From my limited knowledge, plants need an atmosphere, and atmosphere is created by a planet's stabile rotation around a metallic core, which creates a magnetic field. If this field is damaged or destroyed (such as happened on Mars), the atmosphere is greatly reduced? Thanks again for the information.

My understanding from many thing written about Mars, is that it does have a atmosphere and water, and I do not trust NASA with their Black and white colour version of everything that they disclose,. their information on anything is not to be trusted, they are privately owned, payed for by the US taxes.

regards
roman

[meat suit]

Bill,

mystery man Tolec has a history of talking about a pole shift, passing dwarf stars etc.
I seem to recall that you were dismissing him .... even though some of the info would be inline with approved sources.
the man has not turned out to be an actor or dis info agent so far or a channeler (as far as I know)

whats your judgment?

cheers
meat

[K626]

Mars is too small hence does not have enough gravity to hold a proper atmosphere or magnetic field to shield it (hence not enough Hydrogen and Oxygen). That's it in simple terms.

It might have had a denser atmosphere in the past however as the signs of flowing water shows (would have had to be warmer). It's either lost it's atmosphere over time or the magnetic field was stronger in the past despite the smaller core. The jury is still out on the various concepts.

I suspect however that Mars is more hospitable than is let on to us.

K

[Fred Steeves]

gFSPWC8TKnk

O.K., well, I'm not about to start "seeing" things through the eyes of alphabet soup spooks, even if their method of discernment is logical to the 5 senses. Which it indeed is.

My only real exposure to this subject is watching the video, so for what it's worth, here's my take. If I were to just happen upon that video by chance on Youtube, for starters I never would have made it to the end. Then, as I was clicking to find something else, I would be rolling my eyes and thinking: "REALLY?"

That goes for both messenger and message. One man's opinion.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

Post Edit: At best, I would consider it "channeled material" for the more scientific minded.

Cheers,
Fred

[ahamkara]

Yes, I too believe Mars to be more friendly to life than is let on. Perhaps I misunderstood, I thought that the green foliage had been detected on the incoming dwarf plant, which seemed highly unlikely.

While watching a Nova special on Mars, they gave clear evidence that water vapor in the form o ice exists idirectly below the surface in the soil of Mars. The published current research assumes a much denser atmosphere on Mars in the past, devastated by the reduction in the magnetic field (a hit by an incoming object is one theory). I am still unclear as to the link between magnetism and atmosphere - something to do with shielding from solar winds, I think? Anyway, I don't think gravity is the only factor, but I could be wrong.

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(sorry for typos- too much caffeine...)

[nomadguy]

lemonade without sweetener...

My personal opinion...
There appears to be many wholes to fill here, my first instinct was that the Actor here is full of BS.
However he was using real info, mixed with bad info and then dishing it up with style... The intention of such a move is what stuck out most for me.
I feel the real info is going to become more important and may need to be recognized. If there truly is a move to distract the alternative media than there may be other info that has yet to surface that is on the level, or crosses over somehow.
Carry on ~

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Scientists probe link between magnetic polarity reversal and mantle processes
Aug 03, 2012
(http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Scientists_probe_link_between_magnetic_polarity_re versal_and_mantle_processes_999.html)

[spiritguide]

PA has a lot of viable info available and all one must do is seperate the wheat from the shaft. Harvest the dots and if verfiable then intensify dot with color and the picture becomes clearer. Analysis can predict outcome (future events) using a viable system of control. Dorian Sheanon's red x theory is the better one of many. One must isolate the variables! IMHO

[Kimberley]

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Hey have you not yet seen this article from Mel Fabregas about the Dr Sal video??

Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Is Dr. Salvatore Conti (Dr. Sal) Dr. Frank Vidal (DDS), a dentist in Houston? You decide.

http://veritasradio.blogspot.com/2012/08/is-dr-salvatore-conti-dr-sal-dr-frank.html

Much love! :grouphug:

[SilentFeathers]

At best, I would consider it "channeled material" for the more scientific minded.

Cheers,
Fred

Guess we will just have to wait until the summer/fall of 2016 to see if there is something to this; when, according to Sal, the poles will move exactly 124.72 degrees (exactly 70% of the total reversal) in 66 days, and according to Sal this will occur exactly between the dates of 6-14-2016 thru 8-19-2016, which at that time or soon after everything will start to deteriorate and then eventually die....unless, according to Sal, we all unite and drop all the silly religious dogmas and work together and use the power of our minds to come up with a solution.

If you want answers about this Fred and can't get a hold of Sal, email Drake, who knows what's really going on and who has actually forgotten more than Sal will ever know. I bet Drake can even explain why it took Sal 331 days to get a response from ET.....

[Paula]

I’m an exhausted, cranky cynic. I’ve watched the Dr. Sal vid 2 1/2 times.

My thought was when I heard Sal’s phrase - the “2016 Tragedy” - I thought was “Oh great! more of the same old, same old.”

This news may even put some people over the edge, and do themselves in sooner. Or it’s enough time for the military to feed their propaganda to the “melted-heads” to sign up for war, figuring their going to die any way so let’s all go out in glory. All ways for the ptw to to decrease the population.

Sal at 23:26 - 23:42 - His solution is that “6 billion people come together for one common goal....” Speaking in practical terms, “It ain’t gonna happen.” It’s another diversion to keep us looking outward and away rather than inward.

There’s good news. It tells me that the ptw are running out of time, and are scared that we will awaken to who we really are. So I’m bracing for more “garbage in, garbage out” productions.

Disclaimer: I’m not discounting there are great changes coming. But I’m choosing to go down with Mother Earth herself, and not by the ptw. Actually, my plan is to ride it out along with Mother Earth to you know where...

Please pass the popcorn.

PS "I also, thank you, ROMANWKT, I appreciate you sharing the information."


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Deer-popcorn.gif

[Paula]

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Hey have you not yet seen this article from Mel Fabregas about the Dr Sal video??

Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Is Dr. Salvatore Conti (Dr. Sal) Dr. Frank Vidal (DDS), a dentist in Houston? You decide.

http://veritasradio.blogspot.com/2012/08/is-dr-salvatore-conti-dr-sal-dr-frank.html

Much love! :grouphug;

Thanks, Kimberley. I say different eyebrows, eye lids, and nose for starters.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/dr_sal.gifhttp://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Calz/side-by-side.jpg

[Selene]

Frank Vidal’s “shutdown” response to Mel Fabregas’s inquiry is another interesting twist in the tale. Mel Fabregas blog post here ( http://veritasradio.blogspot.ca/2012/08/is-dr-salvatore-conti-dr-sal-dr-frank.html)

Fabregas phoned Vidal’s office and identified himself as a member of the media. After confirming from the secretary that Vidal was indeed a part-time actor, he asked about the “Dr. Conti” video.

Vidal’s reaction was to refuse to discuss it.

Now – I ask you – what obscure actor wouldn’t love to stand up to take a bow when the media comes calling? It’s their big chance for fame and fortune, right? If he’s been “discovered” for a wildly successful YouTube vid, wouldn’t he want to “awww shucks, guys…” and do an interview? Promote his next project? Get an agent?

Instead, he closes his twitter account.

Odd.

Regards,

Selene

[Amzer Zo]

I think that too many cyclical events are being correlated to ONE companion star to our sun and inferred to be a dwarf star named "Nemesis."

One type of cyclical events is illustrated with this "clock":


http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/images5/raup-sepkoski-plot.gif
A PLOT OF DATA ON LIFE EXTINCTIONS, COLLECTED BY DAVID RAUP AND JOHN SEPKOSKI AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO, SHOWS PEAKS IN THE EXTINCTION RATE OCCURRING AT 26- TO 30-MILLION-YEAR INTERVALS, AS INDICATED BY ARROWS

The above from: http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/extinctions-nemesis.html (http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/extinctions-nemesis.html)

Check this java applet to get an idea on the long-period orbit of such a "companion":

http://astro.ph.unimelb.edu.au/central/Mirrors/binary/binary.htm (http://astro.ph.unimelb.edu.au/central/Mirrors/binary/binary.htm)



The other is given by the 26,000 year cyle of the precession of the equinoxes:

http://binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/introduction/theory.shtml (http://binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/introduction/theory.shtml)


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p-GVcbSbWldyGBQSPHMm5Gu2c_gQooLDnrX1_hMZrD_moxX1AG7w pWt3XxuM0AvpAN0Xz7igmIuaz7o3orMkxMGLbMuJXbtKx/Binary-01.gif?psid=1




Due to the existence of both type of "clocks", and accordingly, that makes our solar system a TERNARY star system with one star called "Sun" and TWO companion stars BOTH named NEMESIS.

There lies the confusion!

Wasn't it Arthur Neuman who said something like: "The real trouble is that everything is happening at the same time!"?

[Amzer Zo]

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Thanks, Kimberley. I say different eyebrows, eye lids, and nose for starters.



http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/dr_sal.gif


WCBD, what happens when you change/morph the aspect-ratio of the pictures to match the length/ roundness of the faces?

[Paula]

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Thanks, Kimberley. I say different eyebrows, eye lids, and nose for starters.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/dr_sal.gifhttp://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Calz/side-by-side.jpg


WCBD, what happens when you change/morph the aspect-ratio of the pictures to match the length/ roundness of the faces?

I didn't morph. I enlarged, and aligned while keeping the lengthen and width ratio of the photos true to form.

[ghostrider]

Mars is too small hence does not have enough gravity to hold a proper atmosphere or magnetic field to shield it (hence not enough Hydrogen and Oxygen). That's it in simple terms.

It might have had a denser atmosphere in the past however as the signs of flowing water shows (would have had to be warmer). It's either lost it's atmosphere over time or the magnetic field was stronger in the past despite the smaller core. The jury is still out on the various concepts.

I suspect however that Mars is more hospitable than is let on to us.

K

the pyramids on mars, pyramids on earth, reminders of a lost civilization wanting to remember home that was destroyed by pride and war. our ancestors. they are about to do it again on earth.

[ghostrider]

I can see the ptb doing this, here's the truth, ooops it was a hoax, now we ignore the information because it's connected to a hoax, just like when they attach fiction to science and everyone sees the movie , ohh that science fiction, clever hiding the truth in a lie , before the masses know, then when faced with the real, many will dismiss it as rubbish. Testing the water, to make final ajustments for the coming events, this has never happened before , they want to be sure of the outcome many are pretty smart and can smell a rat.

[Amzer Zo]

Ok, this is what I meant:

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[watchZEITGEISTnow]

I call him Dr Chicken Salad

[doodah]

Hello All,

I've been following the Dr. Sal story and just want to say what a fine job all you Avalonians did on Unified Serenity's original thread. I didn't get into the mix because I can't do Faster-Than-Light research over the internet, but I watched it all develop.

I am rather interested in what we might really be looking at in physical terms, given that Bill has other sources saying a pole shift will happen, date unspecified.

There are two possible scenarios, as I understand it, no matter what the direct cause may be.

1. A geomagnetic pole shift (pole reversal) is underway now. It was pretty much agreed on the original thread that this will not likely cause the Van Allen Belt to fall to Earth, frying the whole planet - or maybe not. Magnetic north is wobbling all over the place, the magnetic field has been getting weaker, etc., and, if you take HAARP out of the picture, this is possibly a major contributor to our disrupted weather.


From Cidersomerset's thread:
Volcanic rock, as it cools from the lava state, aligns itself with the Earth's magnetic field. In 1906, French physicist Bernard Brunhes discovered volcanic rock magnetized in the opposite direction of today's field. It is now known that the Earth's magnetic field has reversed itself many times throughout the planet's history, and at times has even been switched off. Muller and Morris felt that at least some of these geomagnetic flips were caused by comet impacts, and they developed a model to explain how it happened.

From the original Dr. Sal thread:.
Snoweagle:
A magnetic pole shift is an energy transfer from one dipole to another and will transition relatively ie sinusoidally, linearly, etc
The severity is an uncertainty as our only term of reference is historical records which we know and can easily accept as predominantly flooding and these days the demise of our electrical technology.

Rahkyt:
[...] The newest theories in physics state that gravity as a weak force is an effect of the 'brane within which we exist interacting with others and with the source of gravitation, which exists beyond our universe and our experience of it is only partial compared to its full force wherever its origin might be.
[...]
Beyond that, any shifts in gravitation that occur simultaneous to a magnetic pole shift could affect the actual physical matter on the planet, as well as electromagnetism (as it is affected by gravitation) and which could potentially affect any metals in the earth itself and upon the earth, which could in turn lead to tectonic shifting and volcanic pressure release.

2. A physical pole shift would be the result of crustal displacement, as Nancy Leider has been talking about for years on ZetaTalk, where the crust of the planet comes loose and slides around. This kind of event might account for those flash-frozen woolly mammoths in Siberia with fresh buttercups in their stomachs, and those palm trees in Antarctica.

I recall an interview with Dr. Bill Deagle years ago where he described how those things might have occurred. His theory was that a crustal displacement could happen at walking pace, about 20 miles/day. Nancy Leider and the Zetas seem to think we could survive such a thing if we're prepared. Or, as others (like the ultimate gloomer, Patrick Geryl) say, it could be sudden and violent with 500 mph surface winds, which no one is likely to survive.


From the original thread:
Rahkyt:
All of the pole shift theories I've ever seen talk about the ice caps melting and destabilizing the planet as being the most probable cause of a physical pole shift, or some massive astronomical body passing close to the earth.

Patrick Geryl:
Polar Reversal and Pole Shift
The iron core of the earth is magnetic. Because of the switching of the magnetic core, the earth will start to rotate in the other direction! Because of this, the outer earth's crust will break off! In other words the outer layer will be "floating." It will be on the loose, no longer attached to its "master." If you are on the planet at that moment, it will tilt some thousands of miles in a couple of hours. Looking up in the sky it will seem as if "the sky is coming down," as it is described in the old scriptures! Giant quakes will occur. Earth plates will be moving, mountains will be rising where first there was nothing, land masses will break open and collapse, mountains collapse, land will sink into the ocean, volcanoes erupt in many places. In short, the most terrible nightmare cannot be terrible enough to describe this world's destruction.

If Geryl is right, there's nothing to worry about and nothing to be done. :) But do any of the scientists on Avalon have a good guess about what might really happen in either case?

[Operator]

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Calling "Hoax!" and moving on to the next claim is not always what the CIA would do. They would take time to look at it rather more carefully. They have to. So should we.


You must have read my mind .... I posted in the original thread this morning:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48483-Warning-from-NASA-Scientist-claims-Aliens-warn-of-massive-threat-to-Earth&p=538659&viewfull=1#post538659


So he's an actor ... case closed ?

I don't think so. What do you do if you can't communicate to the public directly ? Exactly, you use stand-ins.
It's an old custom. Ages ago people ....

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By focusing on the messenger we lost attention for the content. I think that geomagnetic reversal is underestimated and especially a quick short lasting one can be very devastating. Maybe even more devastating than a physical pole shift.

I think that geomagnetic changes are not without consequences !
We definitely need more scientific data and investigation/discussion on this subject matter.

[Operator]

But do any of the scientists on Avalon have a good guess about what might really happen in either case?

Hi Doodah,

Well first off, I am not a scientist. I am mainly educated as an engineer (with electrical background).
I had a very simple view/explanation that I posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48483-Warning-from-NASA-Scientist-claims-Aliens-warn-of-massive-threat-to-Earth&p=538740&viewfull=1#post538740
Not the same as Patrick Geryl but partly similar.

Maybe it's even better to keep it as simple as possible (for the wider audience) but I also would like to get into a more detailed discussion
to get a better understanding of what's bogus and what is possible.

[doodah]

Hi Operator,

Sorry I missed your entry. I had copied out everything up to just above you on page 21 and hadn't gone back into the thread. What makes you think that we will enter some region of space where fields are reversed? That works in your example, but I don't think I've heard much scientific speculation about that kind of thing being a probability in our future. Do you have references for that?

BTW, I referenced Nancy Leider and the Zetas more or less tongue in cheek (I know many will roll their eyes about that) only because she's talked about this for forever, which I have found interesting... But I agree, I'd like a better understanding of what's likely to happen, physically, with a geomagnetic pole reversal, if there are those who can give us some hard science on this.

[Amzer Zo]

For the many possibilities of geomagnetic pole inversions, re-posting here the more relevant informations:


[...]

Excerpts from a paper by Lynn Yarris, LBL Research Review / Science Beat Berkeley Lab, http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/...s-nemesis.html, Mon, 13 Apr 1987 11:02 CDT

[...]

The evidence for Nemesis-triggered periodic comet storms based on cosmic ray exposure ages was drawn primarily from reviews of existing data. "In these days of tight budgets," observes Muller wryly, "the cheapest way to do research is in the library." Another review of existing data, this time by Muller and LBL physicist Donald Morris, uncovered evidence for periodic comet storms in the Earth's magnetic field.

Volcanic rock, as it cools from the lava state, aligns itself with the Earth's magnetic field. In 1906, French physicist Bernard Brunhes discovered volcanic rock magnetized in the opposite direction of today's field. It is now known that the Earth's magnetic field has reversed itself many times throughout the planet's history, and at times has even been switched off. Muller and Morris felt that at least some of these geomagnetic flips were caused by comet impacts, and they developed a model to explain how it happened.

The Earth's magnetic field is generated by slow eddies in its molten nickel-iron core that are the product of the heat flow out of the core, modified by the planet's rotation. When a crashing comet plunges the world into darkness, temperatures on the land drop much faster than those in the sea because water retains heat much longer than soil. According to the model of Muller and Morris, water near the equator evaporates and is redistributed as ice and snow on the polar caps. The result is a sudden (within a few hundred years) drop in the level of the oceans. In accordance with the conservation of angular momentum, the redistribution of mass alters the rotation rate of the Earth's crust and mantle with respect to the liquid core and leads to a disruption of the magnetic field.

"It is the same as when figure skaters go into a spin with their arms extended, then draw their arms in to increase their rotational speed," says Muller. "The Earth's magnetism is so sensitive to the motions of the liquid core that it doesn't take much of a change in rotational rate to affect the field."

Prior to the work of Muller and Morris, Chicago's Raup had examined the frequency of 296 geomagnetic reversals that took place during the last 170 million years and found peaks in the rate of reversals occurring approximately every 30 million years.

Deposits of microtektites were also found in volcanic and seabed rocks from times when reversals took place. There was a sudden drop in sea level during the die-out of the dinosaurs, but there is no evidence of a geomagnetic reversal. This does not blemish the model of Muller and Morris, however, for it predicts that magnetic excursions, during which the field is turned off, would result from half of the impacts. Magnetic excursions are difficult to detect in volcanic rock.

"Our model readily explains observed geophysical correlations, and accounts for the behavior of the Earth's magnetic field during a reversal," says Morris. "Although somewhat speculative, it is based on assumptions that are considered plausible by experts in the relevant scientific fields."

A geomagnetic reversal could also take place should the polar caps melt and cause a sudden swelling of the seas. This, too, would alter the rotation of the Earth's crust and mantle with respect to the core and disrupt the dynamo.

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Perhaps the most important aspect of the Nemesis theory, and the one for which we as a species can be most grateful, is that the deadly little companion star is not due to return until the year 15 million A.D.

[Amzer Zo]

As for a rotation axis pole shift:



ROTFLMFAO....OMG and I thought I was relatively smart,,,,,,but this manhattan thing got WAYYYYYYYYYYYY over my head... So has there been a tilt? Yes or No would ease my suspense.

Nop! No tilt!

Consider the earth to be a very heavy, giant gyroscope and the amount of applied force which would be required to tilt the axis of rotation of such a gyroscope. I haven't seen such a force being around lately.

Try with a small one and experience the effort you have to apply to tilt the axis of rotation.

Crustal slip, however, would give an apparent drift of the rotation poles.

[doodah]

Thanks Amer, I recall that entry from the original Dr. Sal thread, all the possibilities of HOW a pole reversal COULD happen. But I'm more interested in the probability that any of those things will happen in 4 years, and what the physical effects to the planet might actually be. From the comments I copied above, earthquakes, volcanoes, shifting tectonic plates, floods and inundations, and collapse of the power grid have been suggested. What's the probability of any of those things happening?

Of all the ways a geomagnetic reversal might happen, melting ice caps seems the most likely to me at this moment, but I don't have an informed scientific opinion about this. I'm basing that statement, again, on some things Dr. Bill Deagle has said about planetary warming actually being caused by undersea volcanic activity, thus the heating of the oceans from below.

The changes in Greenland...Plus, that floating island made of pumice, the size of Belgium, that has just recently been found off New Zealand looks pretty scary, to me. Plus all the recent earthquake activity around New Zealand... those poor people have been hit hard! Does any scientist have a handle on what all this is adding up to?

[Operator]

Hi Operator,
Sorry I missed your entry. I had copied out everything up to just above you on page 21 and hadn't gone back into the thread.


No problem. I just referred to it because I didn't want to copy and duplicate it over here.



What makes you think that we will enter some region of space where fields are reversed? That works in your example, but I don't think I've heard much scientific speculation about that kind of thing being a probability in our future. Do you have references for that?


The way it often works for me is that my intuition first wakes me up with a certain idea. Then I start looking on the internet to get answers and/or
seek the possibility to discuss the subject matter e.g. here.

In this particular case I may subconsciously have been influenced by this picture:

http://www.librarising.com/cosmology/images/photon.jpg

The picture is about the photon belt (a whole other can of worms). But it gave me an idea of a circular field
that on one side would flow up than on the other side it must flow down ...

Although we yearly turn around the sun we are never back in the same place next year. The whole solar system travels
around the center of the galaxy so it takes a very long time (long count ?) before you're back at the origin.

There could also be another reason e.g. like crossing superwaves or plasma clouds.

I think that Tesla's free energy principles are based on movement through space (also think of the tether experiment).

Something must provide the energy/force to keep the earth spinning as it does.



BTW, I referenced Nancy Leider and the Zetas more or less tongue in cheek (I know many will roll their eyes about that) only because she's talked about this for forever, which I have found interesting... But I agree, I'd like a better understanding of what's likely to happen, physically, with a geomagnetic pole reversal, if there are those who can give us some hard science on this.

Well, there is another pointer in this direction ... Ann Eller (http://dragoninthesky.com/) the former assistant of J. Allen Hynek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek) is an avid supporter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OS5lHHy2RE) of Nancy Lieder's Zeta report.
That doesn't prove anything but like Bill pointed out in the OP ... we can now put it somewhere on the scale.

[Operator]

As for a rotation axis pole shift:

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Consider the earth to be a very heavy, giant gyroscope and the amount of applied force which would be required to tilt the axis of rotation of such a gyroscope. I haven't seen such a force being around lately.
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Try with a small one and experience the effort you have to apply to tilt the axis of rotation.



Correct, same principle why a bike stays upright when you keep enough speed.

So in order to make a physical pole shift happen you need either:

1. to move a lot of mass on the 'gyroscope' or
2. slow down the gyroscope or
3. both of the above (one may also be the result of the other).

[doodah]

Operator.... Hm. Thanks for the Ann Eller reference. I'll take that under advisement!

As to the Galactic Center thing, answer me this: If you're on the circumference of a circle, you're ALWAYS aligned with the center, are you not? So what's all this "alignment with Galactic Center" thing I keep hearing about? If we're talking about returning to the start of the Zodiac, that's something else, although how would we know it's the "start"? Wouldn't designating a "start" be sort of a homocentric pretense? This is WAY off topic! But if you can clear this up real quick, that would be great.

Anyway, it seems to me that your diagram there shows a basic problem with this whole physical construct we're in: there is definitely not enough light (2,000 years). The whole system is way out of balance toward the dark (20,000 years). :(

Sorry, none of this is really relevant to the topic.

[Amzer Zo]

As for a rotation axis pole shift:

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Consider the earth to be a very heavy, giant gyroscope and the amount of applied force which would be required to tilt the axis of rotation of such a gyroscope. I haven't seen such a force being around lately.
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Try with a small one and experience the effort you have to apply to tilt the axis of rotation.



Correct, same principle why a bike stays upright when you keep enough speed.

So in order to make a physical pole shift happen you need either:

1. to move a lot of mass on the 'gyroscope' or
2. slow down the gyroscope or
3. both of the above (one may also be the result of the other).

Same understanding here :) which means a direct collision with a very heavy and large object or the repeated protracted pummeling of smaller ones provided they all occur against the spinning direction; otherwise the effect could be null or increasing that speed.

However, the slowing down of the gyroscope involves slowing down the speed at which the inner core revolves... collisions might affect the crust but not necessarily the core.

Hence, it's much easier to do that with the outer crust and the melting of the ice caps.

Then, again, a global warming is usually the start of a new ice age and, accordingly, an increase of the spinning speed with the formation of new ice caps with less water to rotate at the equator.

Taking it all into account, our planet earth behaves as the simplest of "governors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_governor)."

[Operator]

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Anyway, it seems to me that your diagram there shows a basic problem with this whole physical construct we're in: there is definitely not enough light (2,000 years). The whole system is way out of balance toward the dark (20,000 years). :(
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Forget the details in the picture ... it's about the photon belt, indeed far off topic. I only used it to illustratively point out what kind
of field I had in mind that could make earth travel through different polarities.



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As to the Galactic Center thing, answer me this: If you're on the circumference of a circle, you're ALWAYS aligned with the center, are you not?
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I heard the best/clearest explanation from Santos Bonacci:

M9zTLh0mf4M

Somewhere in one of both parts (sorry it's long and I can't remember the exact spot) he explains where the sun is seen at winter solstice each year.
This year it will align exactly where the galactic plane (milky way) crosses the plane of our solar system (alignment in the heart of the cross).

Ok, back to topic of this thread ...:sorry:

[Rocky_Shorz]

As for a rotation axis pole shift:

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Consider the earth to be a very heavy, giant gyroscope and the amount of applied force which would be required to tilt the axis of rotation of such a gyroscope. I haven't seen such a force being around lately.
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Try with a small one and experience the effort you have to apply to tilt the axis of rotation.



Correct, same principle why a bike stays upright when you keep enough speed.

So in order to make a physical pole shift happen you need either:

1. to move a lot of mass on the 'gyroscope' or
2. slow down the gyroscope or
3. both of the above (one may also be the result of the other).

with earth at the mass it is, spinning at 1000 miles per hour wouldn't it take being slammed by a massive 5KM+ meteor traveling at 160,000 miles per hour traveling the opposite direction of the spin of our planet and impacting around the equator?

a magnetic shift isn't as drastic as some think and will mess with communications and directions, but we've gone to GPS and stopped depending on the poles years ago...

our toilets will still spin the same direction... ;)

[spiritguide]

The theory as of late is indicating that the planets are all following the sun as in a space draft. Intemates that the planets are not on the same horizontal plane. If this is so that changes some variables. Have we been beyond the solar system yet and taken any pictures back to see what it looks like?

[Rocky_Shorz]

or bump into one of these...


Last year, astronomers discovered a quiescent black hole in a distant galaxy that erupted after shredding and consuming a passing star. Now researchers have identified a distinctive X-ray signal observed in the days following the outburst that comes from matter on the verge of falling into the black hole.

This tell-tale signal, called a quasi-periodic oscillation or QPO, is a characteristic feature of the accretion disks that often surround the most compact objects in the universe -- white dwarf stars, neutron stars and black holes. QPOs have been seen in many stellar-mass black holes, and there is tantalizing evidence for them in a few black holes that may have middleweight masses between 100 and 100,000 times the sun's... shredded star (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html)

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/672588main2_Diagram_SwiftJ1644_QPO_labels-673.jpg

could this be what is made our star act up, pointed at earth?

[ghostrider]

As i toss this out there, building underground cities at a feverish pace, starting wars to hide where the money goes , connecting them all by railcar, for over 50 years, tells me someone at the top is afraid to be on the surface of the earth no matter what the future may bring , asteroid, global chaos, nuclear war, deadly virus, collapsing atmosphere , or pissed off annunaki , what ever it is, the ptb take very seriously , not giving a second thought about the earth , humanity, or the effect of their actions with technology they cannot control. I keep going back to an incoming object dragging debris from space killing the birds in beebe arkansas, the fish, the sinkholes, the quake upticks, dark energy/matter a failed star planet x. You have to ask yourself reasonably what would keep the elite underground never to return to the surface of earth ?? If your going underground , something is coming in from above and you can't predict what effects it will have on the air we breathe or on the sun and it's burst. step away , take a breathe and tell me what you really think ... WE HAVE TO NAIL THIS DOWN , December 21 is coming and we will ride through whatever is thrown at us... they wouldn't build cities miles underground on a theory, or a myth , or a what if . it would be based on solid science and be absolute .

[Rocky_Shorz]

now if Tesla is right and electrons travel faster than the speed of light, then by looking at the date the Signal hit March 29th, 2011

is this what caused all those massive flares that set off the earthquake in Japan?

or was the sun just venting over losing a brother? ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

now, let's put our heads together, think tank time...

where is this black hole located and is the north pole moving towards this energy, or away from it?


are these particles the reason we don't have a jet stream?

are they the reason for the northern Hemisphere meltdown?

if it take 3 days for the sun flare energy to reach us, at the same speed, how long will it take what is following these particles...

[ED209]

I think that the under ground construction is simply to prevent military spying via satellite.

[Operator]

with earth at the mass it is, spinning at 1000 miles per hour wouldn't it take being slammed by a massive 5KM+ meteor traveling at 160,000 miles per hour traveling the opposite direction of the spin of our planet and impacting around the equator?

a magnetic shift isn't as drastic as some think and will mess with communications and directions, but we've gone to GPS and stopped depending on the poles years ago...

our toilets will still spin the same direction... ;)

I didn't check the math but yes you're probably right IF you want to achieve it with an impulse like event. And everybody seem to automatically refer to that.

I am looking at it from another perspective ...
Not all planets in our solar system spin in the same direction: Venus, Uranus and Pluto rotate clockwise.
So I set out to learn on internet what makes the planets spin. To my surprise I didn't find very much. The general accepted assumption seems to be that a planet keeps spinning as a result of spinning matter that it is made of.
That sounds rather silly to me. Especially when planets from the same solar system are able to spin in both ways.

While thinking about it I remember a lecture by Stan Deyo where he explained that the positions of the orbits are not random but at certain 'resonating' points like the interference patterns of standing waves in a pond.

http://www.varbak.com/images/photos-of-falling-drops-of-water-nb17873.jpg

It looks also similar to electrons b.t.w. that can only reside in defined shells around the nuclei ;)

Additionally I now remember that lots of crop circles are about orbits and sizes of the sun etc.
And ... info is surfacing that planets have not always been in the same place as they are now. Interesting ...

[araucaria]

O.K., well, I'm not about to start "seeing" things through the eyes of alphabet soup spooks, even if their method of discernment is logical to the 5 senses. Which it indeed is.


Post Edit: At best, I would consider it "channeled material" for the more scientific minded.



Alphabet soup, grown-up food for kiddies. No words or sentences yet, just a jumble of letters. The ramblings of a depressed mind that claims to have a better handle than anyone else on "objective reality" than the rest of us. Not so. The depression is lifting. Meanwhile Avalon is writing a beautiful story.

Nor do we need whistleblowers any more. They are the nice cop side of the nice/nasty cop routine, reporting on the above ramblings - however accurately is neither here nor there. A or F, I couldn't care, it's all 6 stuff.

Fortunately, they are all getting shot down these days, not in months like Charles, or weeks like Drake, but in days this time.

Nurse has just said, I'm going to give you an injection, it may hurt a little, like this. Now some of us are wondering why she is walking away with a smile on her face.

Edit:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9477506/The-word-game-that-brings-out-the-Scrabble-rouser-in-us-all.html

[nomadguy]

I am going to add something I find to be relevant here,
:note:
To my understanding, Paul Lavoilette had estimated that in the period near 2012-2019 our solar system would enter a type of stellar cloud.
In that stellar region there could be lot of excited or "charged" particles in and around our solar system.

So that brings me to a question...

Could a mass of charged particles in a cloud slow down the rate of speed of a encroaching sun and subsequent planets?
If so that might cause problems with the way the poles are oriented?

I am no scientist, so I am asking anyone whom might have a thicker background to chime in, if they can.

[Operator]

Could a mass of charged particles in a cloud slow down the rate of speed of a encroaching sun and subsequent planets?


Well according this rule :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Manoderecha.svg/220px-Manoderecha.svg.png

An electric current will generate a magnetic field as indicated. Electric current is formed by moving electrons.
Can we consider a stream of charged particles the same as electric current ?

[Rocky_Shorz]

with earth at the mass it is, spinning at 1000 miles per hour wouldn't it take being slammed by a massive 5KM+ meteor traveling at 160,000 miles per hour traveling the opposite direction of the spin of our planet and impacting around the equator?

a magnetic shift isn't as drastic as some think and will mess with communications and directions, but we've gone to GPS and stopped depending on the poles years ago...

our toilets will still spin the same direction... ;)

I didn't check the math but yes you're probably right IF you want to achieve it with an impulse like event. And everybody seem to automatically refer to that.

I am looking at it from another perspective ...
Not all planets in our solar system spin in the same direction: Venus, Uranus and Pluto rotate clockwise.
So I set out to learn on internet what makes the planets spin. To my surprise I didn't find very much. The general accepted assumption seems to be that a planet keeps spinning as a result of spinning matter that it is made of.
That sounds rather silly to me. Especially when planets from the same solar system are able to spin in both ways.

While thinking about it I remember a lecture by Stan Deyo where he explained that the positions of the orbits are not random but at certain 'resonating' points like the interference patterns of standing waves in a pond.

http://www.varbak.com/images/photos-of-falling-drops-of-water-nb17873.jpg

It looks also similar to electrons b.t.w. that can only reside in defined shells around the nuclei ;)

Additionally I now remember that lots of crop circles are about orbits and sizes of the sun etc.
And ... info is surfacing that planets have not always been in the same place as they are now. Interesting ...

the energy leaves the sun at a million miles per hour, we have a shield, but by the swirls and the "string" that works like a spring coil to keep propelling us...

the left shows the swirls, the middle shows the spring effect...

http://iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080/IswaSystemWebApp/iSWACygnetStreamer?timestamp=2038-01-23+00%3A44%3A00&window=-1&cygnetId=261

I understand the physics of how it works, but not how to explain it...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I am going to add something I find to be relevant here,
:note:
To my understanding, Paul Lavoilette had estimated that in the period near 2012-2019 our solar system would enter a type of stellar cloud.
In that stellar region there could be lot of excited or "charged" particles in and around our solar system.

So that brings me to a question...

Could a mass of charged particles in a cloud slow down the rate of speed of a encroaching sun and subsequent planets?
If so that might cause problems with the way the poles are oriented?

I am no scientist, so I am asking anyone whom might have a thicker background to chime in, if they can.

I just saw a description of how our magnetic particles thrust us forward shielded from the clouds we are hitting at 51,000 MPH...

but I don't remember which of these missions show it...

NASA missions (http://www.nasa.gov/missions/current/index.html)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Nor do we need whistleblowers any more. They are the nice cop side of the nice/nasty cop routine, reporting on the above ramblings - however accurately is neither here nor there. A or F, I couldn't care, it's all 6 stuff.

Fortunately, they are all getting shot down these days, not in months like Charles, or weeks like Drake, but in days this time.


the whistleblowers aren't getting shot down, the wanna be's are...

the problem is once they come forward once with what they know, then people pry for more and they start talking on subjects outside their realm, and get blasted out of the water...

if you only have one piece of the puzzle, give us the piece and we will put them together along with others we have gathered...

if you aren't real, expect a quick departure, we don't have time to waste on nonsense...

[Amzer Zo]

Keeping with the train of thoughts of some of the magnetic reversals being due to falling skies on people's heads... here is the illustration suggested by the Binary Research Institute (http://binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/evidence/sheeredge.shtml)for the existence of the Oort cloud Sheer Edge:


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pbOeTgzrNa9sADbYgZAy3z11fT69WySfDNJf42APzQ18RGsy bEZ1E7k2bpnSq4Im4dVQRFjWVkkN8ymGnXRhVg04hsPda5pqV/Sheer%20edge-02.gif?psid=1
Now, thats quite a pool (billiards) game!



That particular 26,000 year clock would have it's "midnight" every time this solar system gets bombarded with these asteroids.


It therefore seems like the "elite" have gotten a pretty good idea on when that "midnight occurs, earth-time wise.


This is also the scenario promulgated by Laura Knight-Jadzcyk and the "Cs."


Thinking of it though, it doesn't really matter where one goes in hiding within this solar system when all of it is going to be pummeled like Dresden during WW II... unless their secret space program is really about getting out of this solar system for a while...

[we-R-one]

So I just spent half the afternoon earlier yesterday trying to catch up on the "Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims aliens warn of massive threat to Earth thread.....which at this posting has almost 23,000 hits, only to discover that Bill started this new one in correlation to the one I just mentioned. Really? Wow, I thought, something extremely important must be going on here....I should have known better! This is like the Drake thread all over again. You guys are hysterical. With all do respect I enjoy many of your posts due to your witty responses, collective thinking and vast perceptions, but the amount of time and energy spent on some dude with no credibility who furthermore has added no real value to the knowledge base here on Avalon, sure has gotten a lot of attention.

From the short time that I've been on Avalon I have watched fellow members annihilate the credibility of a plethora of so called experts and whistle blowers. I don't care who it is, there's always something wrong with the guy/gal. He's a "guru" so that automatically discredits the guy so we can't listen to him, then some "no name" like Dr. Conti or is it Dr. Sal......whatever his name, comes on here and well, we can't listen to him either, or maybe we should? The amount of time you guys spend on this just amazes me, and the fact that the last thread on this topic has as many hits as it does.....lol.....unbelievable.

There are three posts that caught my attention from the other thread which I brought over here, since the conversation seems to have moved to this new thread.


We have to go slowly and carefully here. What would be the greatest tragedy is if this warning was real, and we all dismissed it because of lazy mass internet opinion. I learned back in Serpo days that "reality" is defined on the internet by the "vote" of public opinion -- regardless of the truth. It was an important lesson to learn.

Think of your responsibility here. I'm going to say something very heavy. Hundreds of millions of people could die if we irresponsibly and prematurely trash a legitimate warning because we're all trying to be smart alecs.

If Dr Conti (and Enrico De Luca) are real, then they may be very discouraged by the skeptical response. They may respond by posting another video, and producing credentials. But equally, we may never hear from them again. Which would you prefer?

Addressing Bill's comments first, and I'm asking everyone this, not just Bill- Why suddenly is this Dr. Conti's warning of such significance? There have been several scientists who have openly discussed this surge of energy coming from the center of the galaxy which is having an effect on our planet with the potential of destructive CME's being the end result. Several of us have made comments about this in other threads with little response.

This information has been out for quite some time even here on Avalon. David Wilcock has discussed it, Gregg Braden has discussed it and many others, and now some Joe blow comes out of no-man's land and some how his information should be considered, and yet he's been thoroughly discredited. I don't get it?? Which takes me back to my first point.....it doesn't matter who it is, no one will ever agree, and the only way we'll all agree, is when it's smack dab in our faces and in the moment.

Which leads me to the common sense quote of pie'n'eal below-


The point is, say if this were true...what on earth can anyone do about it?

How are we going to save millions of people? What's the big plan?

To keep worrying about every prediction just is not healthy, it's going to wear you down.

Exactly my thought dear friend. There is no where to run or hide. If this is to occur than so be it. But let me pose this thought....I am baffled as many of you on Avalon are very aware of the existence of reincarnation. Several of you, including myself have come on here sharing our experiences of reincarnation so that others may learn. So I ask, if many of us believe in reincarnation, than obviously we understand that we are immortal, which additionally confirms that we are not our jobs, bodies or experiences, but rather consciousness. Taking it one step further, you then come to the realization that your existence here on Earth is not real, but rather an illusion created for your consciousness to learn and grow, which is the very reason you keep coming back. You had to have known this as why would you have elected to return to Earth? Ask yourself this, if it was going to be so terrible in this lifetime, why would you have come back during this time period? And even if you do experience something terrible, guess what, IT'S NOT REAL! Why? Because your consciousness! So why then so much focus on the events which stir up lower vibrational responses such as fear, when it makes no difference as this experience here on earth is none other than just that, an "experience" and nothing more. And what is it that David Icke says? "They can control your mind, they can control your body, but they can't control consciousness!"

Moving on to the last point made here by ED09.


The other thing that we need to keep in mind is that we are all spending (myself included) a lot of time worrying about potential otherworldly threats to our planet, meanwhile there are actual threats to our existence that are real and happening right now! Global warming, pollution, resource depletion, right?

.....Also, we know that technological advancement does not equate with ethical concern because as we have become more advanced, we have not become more ethical.

With special note of the last sentence which basically in a round about way says, we are at a point where our technology has surpassed our spirituality. And here lies where our main focus should really be. Heart-centered concepts are the way to increase one's spirituality. Putting so much time into fear-based topics is not.

Have we not learned anything? Are we the definition of insanity? ....doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Cause that's what I see here. :loco:

Again, with all due respect, this is an open forum and you can do as you wish, and yes, some of this is interesting, and I'm not discouraging anyone from pursuing this topic. I'm just merely making an observation as it's comical to me that a no-name like Dr. Conti has attracted so much time and attention that in no way contributes any type of benefit to the community in moving us forward as a civilization, nor is it worthy of 22,000+ views, when none of this is even real, LMAO. :rofl:

Just as I was about to post this I came across Cloud9's new thread- "Are we helping those who we want to defeat, to defeat us?"

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48639-Discuss-Are-we-helping-those-who-we-want-to-defeat-to-defeat-us

Go read Cloud9's first post #1 as it's the perfect addition to what I'm trying to convey. Now....back to LMAO :rofl:

[K626]

Moral of the story is you can't really trust a dentist not to hurt you.

Peace

K

[LisAlien]

Dr Sal's Warning 2 (Dr sal is exposed)


He admits it was a hoax.


-3SkLZBlVRw

[sdv]

We get so caught up in the celebrity culture of the person! What if we all agreed to set aside egos and personas, embrace humility and simply address the fact/fiction, verifiable/unverifiable, significance/non-significance, and so on, of the message?

Is a magnetic polar shift possible within our lifetimes? Yes.

Is a magnetic polar shift probable within our lifetimes? Maybe.

Is a magnetic polar shift definitely going to happen within our lifetimes? No.

What would happen if a magnetic polar shift did happen within our lifetimes? We don't know, but there are many theories that we could discuss and share.

[sdv]

I applause his courage in coming clean like this!

'I told a big lie but I spiced it up with a lot of facts/truths.'

[Bill Ryan]

Frank Vidal: "I told a big lie but I spiced it up with a lot of facts/truths."

I'm wondering what he knows, and how he got to know it. (Remember: he lives in Houston...)

The data still aligns with insider information that Kerry and I received five years ago. This is how come I sat bolt upright and thought that this had to be legitimate. As I said in my opening post, this story may not be over yet.

[13th Warrior]

Dr Sal's Warning 2 (Dr sal is exposed)


He admits it was a hoax.


-3SkLZBlVRw

I like this Frank Vidal...he's a cool cat!

[ROMANWKT]

Yes exactly. Bill

[13th Warrior]

Frank Vidal: "I told a big lie but I spiced it up with a lot of facts/truths."

I'm wondering what he knows, and how he got to know it. (Remember: he lives in Houston...)

The data still aligns with insider information that Kerry and I received five years ago. This is how come I sat bolt upright and thought that this had to be legitimate. As I said in my opening post, this story may not be over yet.

Perhaps you will find out if he grants you the interview you requested?

[Amzer Zo]

Dentist... dental work under anesthesia... dental work on a few astronauts... NASA scientists...

"while I am preparing this, why don't you tell me the stuff you do at NASA?"

Edit:

You know, kind like an amateur Dr. Bill Deagle...

[ROMANWKT]

Here, did I not tell you guys that the great actor within..................... from the original thread

Re: Warning from NASA Scientist stating Aliens warn of massive threat coming to Earth

Carmody did I not read your thread not long ago about Teslas communicating with aliens that was instant, when the military found out they shut him down, and Marconi then diminished the system down from going beyond the speed of light?? and wasn't that from the RCA control, that's what did not make sense to me, its still stuck there in my mind, that this guy does not know that they have communication beyond speed of light towards anywhere in the universe.

Is it also not possible that the great actor within want to do the same stunt as the guy who created the fear on the radio in the 50s with the war of the worlds
ORSON WELLS
regards
roman

Well my intuition is working,,,,,,,,

[araucaria]

Frank Vidal: "I told a big lie but I spiced it up with a lot of facts/truths."

I'm wondering what he knows, and how he got to know it. (Remember: he lives in Houston...)

The data still aligns with insider information that Kerry and I received five years ago. This is how come I sat bolt upright and thought that this had to be legitimate. As I said in my opening post, this story may not be over yet.

Bill, I for one would like to know what in particular stands out against the background noise from which a lot of this stuff seems to have possibly been drawn. Can you be more specific about what data aligns as you say, as opposed to what might be garbage.

For example, I quoted the Ursa Major angle with reference to a) stuff anyone can pick up on the Internet and b) the references thereto in the Mayan material. For you, would this be backed up by insider statements, or is it just guff?
Thank you

[araucaria]

As i toss this out there, building underground cities at a feverish pace, starting wars to hide where the money goes , connecting them all by railcar, for over 50 years, tells me someone at the top is afraid to be on the surface of the earth no matter what the future may bring , asteroid, global chaos, nuclear war, deadly virus, collapsing atmosphere , or pissed off annunaki , what ever it is, the ptb take very seriously , not giving a second thought about the earth , humanity, or the effect of their actions with technology they cannot control. I keep going back to an incoming object dragging debris from space killing the birds in beebe arkansas, the fish, the sinkholes, the quake upticks, dark energy/matter a failed star planet x. You have to ask yourself reasonably what would keep the elite underground never to return to the surface of earth ?? If your going underground , something is coming in from above and you can't predict what effects it will have on the air we breathe or on the sun and it's burst. step away , take a breathe and tell me what you really think ... WE HAVE TO NAIL THIS DOWN , December 21 is coming and we will ride through whatever is thrown at us... they wouldn't build cities miles underground on a theory, or a myth , or a what if . it would be based on solid science and be absolute .

You have someone who thinks he's Napoleon and is preparing to fight, and win, the Battle of Waterloo - how far would you go to humour him?

[fulcanelli]

Frank Vidal: "I told a big lie but I spiced it up with a lot of facts/truths."

I'm wondering what he knows, and how he got to know it. (Remember: he lives in Houston...)

The data still aligns with insider information that Kerry and I received five years ago. This is how come I sat bolt upright and thought that this had to be legitimate. As I said in my opening post, this story may not be over yet.


Hi Bill,

Identifying, reducing and eliminating cognitive biases while Assessing Intel is critical, otherwise one is most-likely suffering from the "Bias Blindspot" (the tendency to not compensate for our own cognitive biases). If you haven't already seen the following YT video, I highly recommend it, as it does a good job of explaining the various biases and how not taking them into account skews (at the very least) the results of any research conducted:

HnpRHmVqQ94

Taking cognitive biases into account, in addition to the source and information content ratings, will certainly serve to help the responsible researcher's results more accurately reflect what's really going on.

Regards,
fulcanelli

[Fred Steeves]

Frank Vidal: "I told a big lie but I spiced it up with a lot of facts/truths."

I'm wondering what he knows, and how he got to know it. (Remember: he lives in Houston...)

The data still aligns with insider information that Kerry and I received five years ago. This is how come I sat bolt upright and thought that this had to be legitimate. As I said in my opening post, this story may not be over yet.

I don't know Bill, there's just something about "I told a big lie, but...", that sounds like a trial balloon name for the big roll out of next season's new smash hit reality show. Please tell me there's not really an interview request with this character?

[M6*]

Hi ROMANWKT!

At the very least, it's a worthwhile exercise in truth seeking for all of us here.

Carry on! M6*

[Flash]

Frank Vidal: "I told a big lie but I spiced it up with a lot of facts/truths."

I'm wondering what he knows, and how he got to know it. (Remember: he lives in Houston...)

The data still aligns with insider information that Kerry and I received five years ago. This is how come I sat bolt upright and thought that this had to be legitimate. As I said in my opening post, this story may not be over yet.


Hi Bill,

Identifying, reducing and eliminating cognitive biases while Assessing Intel is critical, otherwise one is most-likely suffering from the "Bias Blindspot" (the tendency to not compensate for our own cognitive biases). If you haven't already seen the following YT video, I highly recommend it, as it does a good job of explaining the various biases and how not taking them into account skews (at the very least) the results of any research conducted:

HnpRHmVqQ94

Taking cognitive biases into account, in addition to the source and information content ratings, will certainly serve to help the responsible researcher's results more accurately reflect what's really going on.

Regards,
fulcanelli

Extraordinary videos resuming our cognitive dissonances within 4 minutes. Should, in my opinion, be looked at by all conspiracy followers.

It often takes more than one post to explain a more or less complex happening. Or to explain a situation that has simple but many components. If we stop the poster on its firts post with biaises based on our beliefs or what we want to see, this poster has not chance to expose his thinking and findings. And the "blocker" automatic response remains happily within his own biaises (not very good in an evolving situation, as those Vidal's videos were). Be able to challenge is extraordinary in itself, being able to accept being challenged it still often more difficult and extraordinary.

One has to keep in mind that forensic work is an ongoing work and that thinking process is modified and changed with new discoveries and situations. Therefore, bits of incubation time and thinking is necessary, therefore at least a few posts.

Now, having said the above, here what I was seeing with the first video and that can be useful for debunkers in the future:

1. The non verbal and voice analysis can be useful once the basic paradigm of how the process was thought of is built and anchored.
2. Prior to these analysis, I was trying to do a bit like a forensic detective, trying to understand the thinking behind and tryint to divise information from the informant, as Bill stated in post 1 of this thread. My analysis, following Bill evaluation grid, was, with the first video, at the time of my posting, E3 as well.
3. The information:

I was trying to find out how he thought of and built his information. From one thing learned in NLP (that can be used for good or bad, and was used for bad here in my idea), the way one construct a story is by taking an existing story and fitting on it caracters that are similar but with enough differences so that the conscious mind does not see the similarities but the subconscious/unconscious mind does and reacts to it. The second step is that you take this information and those caracters and place them in a different space/time continuum. Example, you take the existing situation you want to work on but displace it in the Roman Empire time, or else, displace it in another country actual time, or else displace it into space in a futur time (this is regular NLP usage of story making and space time tool in psychotherapy).

So I was forensically trying to think like the fraudulent thinker and finding where and how he organised his story. The first component was how did he build the who, his identity, and how did he built the what, the first part of the story.

The who became absolutely obvious upon first research, the fraud artist was not bright enough to even change the full name of the real being he was using. So our imposter used someone who truly is the description that was given in the first part of the vidoe,

Alberto Conti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Conti check this

The real Dr Conti is a real astrophysicist, working for NASA, with impeccable credentials, born raised in Italy, Italian degrees, creator of Google Sky concept, etc. part of a foundation to help humanity and surely thorough knowledge about the earth rotation, magnetic field, and Van Alen belt, etc etc.
In 2008 Conti received first prize in the Pirelli Internetional Award for the development of GoogleSky.[1]

In 2010 Conti became the Archive Scientist for the Multimission Archive at Space Telescope, the NASA UV and Optical data archive.

In 2011 Conti became the Innovation Scientist for the James Webb Space Telescope, NASA's premier space observatory of the next decade



The real Dr Conti, if in the know, could have easily told such a story but with much more details and accuracy than the fake one. So we have the who our imposter will use to draw his own caracter.

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1300865297/IMG_8802.JPG


Now the what: Part of the what was coming directly from the real Dr Conti work activities, that you can find on the internet, plus his real activity to help the planet, and the rest was easily found in all internet conspiracy forums and blogs, etc. So we have how the impostor has built the what.

Now the why: why would the imposter want to do that, what does it give him. Many possibilities:
a. He is a part time actor and in need of recognition, in need to be seen, and wanted to get that.
b. He has been paid either to tell a story partly true of to give us disinformation
c. He really want to help humanity and has not been paid and is releasing secret information for the well being of humanity.
d. He just plainly wanted exposure in order to make a buck, while profiting of the hype of 2012, but thinking that when this is gone, he will still have four years of profit to pocket. 110,000 views in a few days, this video will be reawakened by new viewers every six months so put 500,000 views within 2 years. How much is youtube paying for these views?? And plus he may have been paid elsewhere.

Now we have many potential why, each one could be examined.

2. The process - fine, but which process was used to build the story? So I went in movie scripting and writing scripts technics which I had not presented on this forum and here what I found:


1.
Create an outline or treatment. Before you begin actually writing dialog and script, it might help to create a basic road-map/story of what will happen in your story so you don't get sidetracked and can work out any plot holes or kinks. Sketch out a general plan and envision how events will unfold. This should be told in the third-person.
Writing Your Script
Learn Screenwriting in One Year Inside a World-Leading Film School.
www.VFS.edu/Screenwriting
2
Flesh out your story. Write the entire premise of the play, movie, etc. with lots of details and ideas, paying no mind to style, format, repetition, or anything else that gets in the way of your creative flow. Your finished product should cover the plot, personalities, relationships, character arcs, and a larger point to the story. Sometimes, drawings or diagrams may be used as a temporary storyboard to show to other persons to demonstrate facets of your plot and characters, etc. Your characters should drive the action on the stage or screen, so make sure they are interesting and innovative. It may not be necessary for you to fully develop them right away, however, as they tend to take on lives of their own as the script-writing continues.
3
Trim the story down. Now that you have everything on paper, look for dead weight, weak links, irrelevant details, over-explaining, sidetracking, elements that drag, and anything else that weakens the overall trajectory. Be harsh; just because you fell in love with something you worked on in the exploratory phase doesn’t mean it should survive the revision phase.
4
Write the plot in script format. The exact format will vary depending on whether you’re writing for theater, TV, or the silver screen – and in what country. (For example, the American TV industry’s standard script format is modeled on the business plan.) Use proper headers to introduce scenes, identify each speaker, and so on; many production companies won’t even look at a script if it isn’t properly formatted. Set the scene. Don't forget to include important details such as time of day, setting, and actions of the characters in the scene. These are nearly as important as the dialog that occurs.

Describe action only briefly; provide a sense of what’s happening on screen, but leave it to the director to fill in the details.

Maintain your style. Remember, scripts are all about action and dialog. Make sure your characters speak realistically, and try not to mix styles of speech and vocabulary too much unless you are going for a certain effect.

Consider purchasing script-writing software for this phase of the process. There are several programs that will guide you through the formatting or even convert an already-written script into the correct layout.
5
Spend a lot of time working on your dialogue. Dialogue will make or break your characters and their relationships. What’s worse, dialogue is extremely difficult for most people to write. To get your bearings, write down or record real conversations to see how people really speak and which expressions they use. Be sure to listen to a variety of speakers to so that you can give your own characters more flavor and individuality. Read your dialogue aloud as you go, paying extra attention to whether or not it sounds halting, stereotyped, over-the-top, or totally uniform. Ensuring that different characters have their own "voice" and "persona" based on their background will keep them from blending into one another. Remember, their personal will affect their attitude, word choices and dialect.
6
Edit your work. Polish it, but don't be a perfectionist; work toward perfection, not to it.
7
Show your finished work to people whose opinion you respect. Choose people who not only come from different backgrounds and have varied personal tastes, but are also willing to provide honest feedback. Don't let yourself feel insulted, controlled, upset, or angered by a critiques or remarks; they’re opinion, not fact. Laugh and be enthusiastic about help and advice, but weigh your critics’ opinions against your own judgment before implementing any changes.

8
Revise your work as many times as necessary. Painful as it may be, you’ll be glad when you’re finally able to convey your vision.
http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Script


and this:

The 3 acts structure and turning point in the right place: the Vidal's video had the 3 act structure, act 1 who, what, when and where of the story, second act is the action, third act is the denouement and the lesson if there is one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0yqUmedyOM

So here we have the process.

It was so much like written in the books that it became uncecessary to have a more time consuming and high work load of revising in detail the non verbal language and the voice. Although, for the sake of objectivity, this could have been undertaken as well.

So half believeable stories will often have this structure. But they are stories. When the story is really true, the process will be usually much more unstructured (and maybe less interesting for the viewer but nevertheless true). Furthermore, true story won't have real life caracters which seem to have been used, because this is unecessary.

Now that I freed my thinking about this fraud, I will go to meditate in my retreat.

[SilentFeathers]

Frank Vidal: "I told a big lie but I spiced it up with a lot of facts/truths."

I'm wondering what he knows, and how he got to know it. (Remember: he lives in Houston...)

The data still aligns with insider information that Kerry and I received five years ago. This is how come I sat bolt upright and thought that this had to be legitimate. As I said in my opening post, this story may not be over yet.

He looked the stuff up on the internet Bill....so did I and found almost everything he mentioned on google.....his imagination made up the rest.

I have to give him credit though for exposing himself, I bet his phone and email was on fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sdv]

The data still aligns with insider information that Kerry and I received five years ago. This is how come I sat bolt upright and thought that this had to be legitimate. As I said in my opening post, this story may not be over yet.

Hey folks, can we get past the hoax and focus on what we do and do not know about the magnetic polar shift that is taking place (wake up - it is in the process of happening, but how long it will take and what it means for us is not definitely known), what it means for us, what we do and do not know, and, even if it does not happen in our lifetime (it is happening right now but how long the entire process will take and how quickly it will happen is open to debate), how it affects us?

Scientists have different theories, but perhaps they are more close-minded than we are and do not consider evidence that we do?

I would hate to see this debate trashed because the messanger is a hoax!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46770-Magnetic-pole-reversal

Oh, and more discussion here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48524-NOVA-Magnetic-Pole-Flip-530-000-Years-Overdue-Happening-Now

[Mandala]

Everything people do is to meet their needs or due to coersion or force. Even if he is an actor, why would he risk tarnishing his profession as a dentist. I can't imagine my dentist pulling a hoax on you tube and getting nailed as an imposter. What did he have to gain or get out of this? Motivation? Money, fame, truth, humanity, or force?

I would love Bill to interview him and to find out some of the burning issues and questions we are wondering about this charlatan.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Plus, I have to wonder what and how the real Dr. Sal thinks.

[nomadguy]

Keeping with the train of thoughts of some of the magnetic reversals being due to falling skies on people's heads... here is the illustration suggested by the Binary Research Institute (http://binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/evidence/sheeredge.shtml)for the existence of the Oort cloud Sheer Edge:


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pbOeTgzrNa9sADbYgZAy3z11fT69WySfDNJf42APzQ18RGsy bEZ1E7k2bpnSq4Im4dVQRFjWVkkN8ymGnXRhVg04hsPda5pqV/Sheer%20edge-02.gif?psid=1
Now, thats quite a pool (billiards) game!



That particular 26,000 year clock would have it's "midnight" every time this solar system gets bombarded with these asteroids.


It therefore seems like the "elite" have gotten a pretty good idea on when that "midnight occurs, earth-time wise.


This is also the scenario promulgated by Laura Knight-Jadzcyk and the "Cs."


Thinking of it though, it doesn't really matter where one goes in hiding within this solar system when all of it is going to be pummeled like Dresden during WW II... unless their secret space program is really about getting out of this solar system for a while...

I think this data needs it's own Thread , Nice work, sometimes you Avalonian's astonish me. And I too wonder where/how Mr. Sal got his script.

[Amzer Zo]

Keeping with the train of thoughts of some of the magnetic reversals being due to falling skies on people's heads... here is the illustration suggested by the Binary Research Institute (http://binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/evidence/sheeredge.shtml)for the existence of the Oort cloud Sheer Edge:




[...]



I think this data needs it's own Thread , Nice work, sometimes you Avalonian's astonish me. And I too wonder where/how Mr. Sal got his script.

I intgrated this post and related ones in this thread: NOVA Magnetic Pole Flip 530,000 Years Overdue & Happening Now? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48524-NOVA-Magnetic-Pole-Flip-530-000-Years-Overdue-Happening-Now)

[doodah]

The data still aligns with insider information that Kerry and I received five years ago. This is how come I sat bolt upright and thought that this had to be legitimate. As I said in my opening post, this story may not be over yet.

Hey folks, can we get past the hoax and focus on what we do and do not know about the magnetic polar shift that is taking place (wake up - it is in the process of happening, but how long it will take and what it means for us is not definitely known), what it means for us, what we do and do not know, and, even if it does not happen in our lifetime (it is happening right now but how long the entire process will take and how quickly it will happen is open to debate), how it affects us?

Scientists have different theories, but perhaps they are more close-minded than we are and do not consider evidence that we do?

I would hate to see this debate trashed because the messanger is a hoax!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46770-Magnetic-pole-reversal

Oh, and more discussion here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48524-NOVA-Magnetic-Pole-Flip-530-000-Years-Overdue-Happening-Now

AGREED, SDV.

There are three threads here ...
1. discuss the messenger [very interesting]
2. discuss all the possible ways we can be annihilated; and the science behind all those things [very interesting]
3. the important info: WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR US IF IT'S TRUE?

Can we please focus on that question and pin down some specifics that we may be encountering fairly soon? If this information already exists on some other thread, does anyone know where it would be?

[Limor]

Dr Sal's Warning 2 (Dr sal is exposed)


He admits it was a hoax.




-3SkLZBlVRw

I like this Frank Vidal...he's a cool cat!

This is not so 'casual' as he pretends it to be, this is is a game thrown at people (those who are interested, usually in the alternative community), he got some facts right, and obviously prepared/was prepared by someone else to present it in a certain way. and from now on it is a convoluted 'truth/lies/acting game
which is not worth wasting another minute on... smiling and waving bye bye.

[HaveBlue]

It seems to me that he has been to Camelot and read Henry Deacons material and then told the story as his own! Self promotion for a struggling actor!
I immediately smelta rat when he claimed he was going to dissappear and go into hiding after making this known yet was happy to have his face plastered all over youtube in HD(high def) and up close!

Henry Deacon/Arthur Neumann has never gone on camera to claim anything other than that he has been to Mars. He has good old plausable deniability on all the written material that Camelot 'alleges' he told them.

Because of that he is someone with at least some credibility. That and the fact that you and Kerry absolutely vouch for where he has taken you and proven to you that he is who he says he is.

Actors, in other words professional liers whos job it is to make us think they are for real when it is known they are not, are the last people I would take seriously with releasing such information.
I would believe a used car dealer before that guy Dr Sal(monela) or is it Dr Sal(iva)

[truth4me]

The bottom to eveything is this. What the hell is really going on?

[Flash]

And this midnight Amer zo goes for how many years?? Very interesting, I had read something similar before, I will try to find it.

[SilentFeathers]

Started account 3-8-2008

http://www.youtube.com/user/filmscribe1/videos

[doodah]

The bottom to eveything is this. What the hell is really going on?

Bill, I would be very interested to hear your thoughts about what planet-wide, non-manmade events you think *will* be happening in the next 4 years.

Are you placing significant reliance on the PROBABILITY that we will have a geomagnetic pole reversal? (since this "fake information" actually aligns with your other information?) Or are you also, or more, concerned about the PROBABILITY of a devastating CME?

With the understanding that nobody really knows for sure, what is your best guess? ... Give us your list of the things we might be doing now to prepare, if we can prepare. You may have already given us such a list in some other thread, but an update and reminder would be helpful.

Thanks.

[Carmody]

As for a rotation axis pole shift:

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Consider the earth to be a very heavy, giant gyroscope and the amount of applied force which would be required to tilt the axis of rotation of such a gyroscope. I haven't seen such a force being around lately.
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Try with a small one and experience the effort you have to apply to tilt the axis of rotation.



Correct, same principle why a bike stays upright when you keep enough speed.

So in order to make a physical pole shift happen you need either:

1. to move a lot of mass on the 'gyroscope' or
2. slow down the gyroscope or
3. both of the above (one may also be the result of the other).

The secondary influence point is the formation of gravity and matter density itself, which is an electric field vibrational and level of differential type of issue.

The coherency and relational aspects of matter are not set in stone, they are changeable/mutable... according to this fundamental formation consideration, which can be altered externally or by changes in ambient conditions. Polarization and integration of field differentials is one part of the key components of this possibility of altering the base conditions.

With the earth moving up and down through the galaxy's plane at a 26k year long cycle (with it's altered base polarity (voltage and particle type/charge/count)..and then adding in this so-called massive particle charge field (of difference from that of prior experience) that we are supposed to be entering...we end up in a position where we get to unknowns (regarding common knowledge) in even the basics of the behavior of matter, dimensions, and time.

[SilentFeathers]

An investigator on the "Dr. Sal case"

QGeVTnAjT04

[Fred Steeves]

An investigator on the "Dr. Sal case"

QGeVTnAjT04

Highly entertaining SilentFeathers. I'll leave the 1969 moon thing alone, but...He called NASA, at 4:20?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=4%3A20 Hmmmm. As he would say: "REALLY?"

[4evrneo]

There’s good news. It tells me that the ptw are running out of time, and are scared that we will awaken to who we really are. So I’m bracing for more “garbage in, garbage out” productions.





Thank you WhiteCrowBlackDeer,
I have similar feelings that the ptb are needing to step up their game because they know we are on to them. So I too, try to stay aware but with some detachment as it seems more and more "productions" are coming in to stir the pot.

Im stickin with Mama Gaia too : )
Annette

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Yes we can hypothesise but to what end? Id prefer to be riding my bike or tending to my garden.

Unless one was an activist in the thick of making changes in a team that those hypothesies would benefit, i cant see the use.

Its like watching an infomercial wating for that tiny piece of info you really desire, how much is it! ?

But you have to sit through 2 hours of dribble and constant recycling of obvious pre stated information.

Having said that some people love diving into this stuff so, yes its a valid pastime.

Hmmm


N
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[Amzer Zo]

And this midnight Amer zo goes for how many years?? Very interesting, I had read something similar before, I will try to find it.

I am not sure how long the pummeling lasts but apparently the "avant garde" is at our doors (first 20 minutes of interview, whole interview is worth it though):


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[derek]

We will see what happens.

[Conchis]

And look at the person's right ear. They are decidedly different

[SilentFeathers]

Regardless if Dr. Sal is real or a figment of our imagination, this is on spaceweather.com today....


RADIATION BELT STORM PROBES: Most spacecraft try to avoid the Van Allen Belts, two doughnut-shaped regions around Earth filled with "killer electrons." NASA is about to launch two heavily-shielded spacecraft directly into the belts. The Radiation Belt Storm Probes are waiting on the launch pad at Cape Canaveral to begin a 2-year mission to study the Van Allen Belts and unravel the mystery of their dangerous unpredictability. Liftoff is scheduled for Saturday, Aug. 25th.
http://spaceweather.com/

[SilentFeathers]

An interesting article.....


Pigeons Vanish in 'Birdmuda Triangle'

Hundreds of racing pigeons have been disappearing over a sleepy pocket of North East England, earning the region a reputation as the "Birdmuda Triangle."
On Saturday (Aug. 25), the Telegraph reported, one club of pigeon fanciers released a flock of 230 birds from North Yorkshire. Only 13 birds arrived at their destination in Scotland.

Others have attributed losses to unusually high levels of solar activity that they say have distorted the Earth's magnetic field and, by extension, their pigeons' mental maps. (Though it is merely following its normal activity cycle, the sun has been increasingly active lately.)
According to Walcott, researchers have shown that disruptions in the Earth's magnetic field caused by solar flares do in fact jog pigeons' internal compasses, changing the initial direction the birds choose to set off in when they're first released. But a nationwide study published in the now-defunct Racing Pigeon Bulletin examined the results of pigeon races alongside variations in the Earth's magnetic field and concluded that, in the United States at least, there was no correlation.

MORE/SOURCE: http://news.yahoo.com/pigeons-vanish-birdmuda-triangle-123049613.html

ALSO; today on spaceweather.com


Most spacecraft try to avoid the Van Allen Belts, two doughnut-shaped regions around Earth filled with "killer electrons." This morning, NASA launched two heavily-shielded spacecraft directly into the belts. Mark Staples of Little Lake Santa Fe, Florida, photographed the Radiation Belt Storm Probes (RBSP) lifting off just after 4:05 am EDT:

Shortly after launch, the twin probes were successfully released from the rocket's Centaur upper stage, kicking off a two-year mission to study the mysteries of the Van Allen Belts. "I'm very happy to report that we have two happy spacecraft on orbit," says Rick Fitzgerald, RBSP project manager from the John Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, which is managing the mission for NASA.

The two probes now begin a 60-day commissioning period. During the next two months, operators will power up all flight systems and science instruments and deploy long antenna booms, two of which are more than 54 yards long. The Storm Probes are equipped with radio beacons that will rapidly transmit data back to Earth so members of the public can get a nearly-realtime look at conditions inside the belts. Stay tuned.