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Curative
19th August 2010, 16:56
First let me state for the record, I have admired JB's contribution to humanity through her efforts in raising public awareness of the Flu-scam. I admire Bill's initiative in obtaining one of the first video interviews of Jane & sharing it with us.

I am aware of previous discussions around the subject of JB's filing of charges in relation to Baxter's contamination of the seasonal flu vaccine with live H1n1. And to be honest whether or not she actually filed these charges as she claims is second in importance to the excellent job she has so far done in raising awareness of corporate psychopathy in relation to the pharmaceutical industry.

However I have recently been involved in debate regarding her credibility with what I perceive as a growing movement of alternative researchers in their unified condemnation of JB. Namely Ian R Crane, Jim Corr and others. They are circulating the allegation that Jane is either mentally unstable or a NWO plant. All this at a time when Jane is apparently fighting against prosecution by the Austrian Judiciary.

I for one cannot turn a blind eye to this situation as ultimately it comes down to this: Either JB is untrustworthy or her accusers are. We must know which in order to prevent further manipulative attempts from the guilty party/ies in the future. To this end I implore Jane to address this situation directly & publicly (as her accusers are doing). I have heard she is in hiding, but she can remain so and address this issue through the internet.

The presenter of North East truth Radio, Mike (hosted by TNS radio) has said he would have her on his show to debate this situation as I'm sure Vince, the host of TNS radio (on which she has previously appeared) would. So again I implore Jane to step up to the challenge of her own credibility by directly addressing these damaging allegations.

In closing, I would like to state that we are being told more & more frequently to start living in our hearts instead of just in our minds, to listen to our heart by being more aware of the emotions we feel when focusing on a given situation and acting accordingly. My heart told me JB was speaking from her heart in the interviews I have witnessed. What do your hearts and or minds tell you?

Thanks for listening.

viking
19th August 2010, 17:06
Its a frigging minefield!!! ... tip toe very carefully ... so many distractions...so many avenues to explore...which turning do we take!!!

MY opinion is that she came across as genuine ....

viking

Steven
19th August 2010, 17:12
...However I have recently been involved in debate regarding her credibility with what I perceive as a growing movement of alternative researchers in their unified condemnation of JB. Namely Ian R Crane, Jim Corr and others. They are circulating the allegation that Jane is either mentally unstable or a NWO plant...

Hi Curative,

First of all, what are the facts that indicates JB is 'mentally unstable or a NWO plant'? Last news I had on JB, she had been arrested by the Autrichian authority and was waiting for her trial. So, she isn't in a position to come up publicly with a debate on her credibility.

Please, give us more information. I will not beleive her credibility is at stake with such a few information. Until then, she is in my perspective, quite a courageous person fighting for our rights like David against Goliath.

A quick search on Jim Corr http://www.jimcorr.com/ and Ian R Crane http://www.ianrcrane.co.uk/ shows both men are researcher for NWO agenda. Selling products on the subject... They are no expert in medical/phamaceutical field. Why they came up with this attack on JB credibilty?

Edit: We must admit, NWO conspiraties are quite lucrative today. It makes me wonder...

Namaste, Steven

lightblue
19th August 2010, 17:15
Curative:
v Jane Burgermeister: friend or foe?

First let me state for the record, I have admired JB's contribution to humanity through her efforts in raising public awareness of the Flu-scam. I admire Bill's initiative in obtaining one of the first video interviews of Jane & sharing it with us.

I am aware of previous discussions around the subject of JB's filing of charges in relation to Baxter's contamination of the seasonal flu vaccine with live H1n1. And to be honest whether or not she actually filed these charges as she claims is second in importance to the excellent job she has so far done in raising awareness of corporate psychopathy in relation to the pharmaceutical industry.

However I have recently been involved in debate regarding her credibility with what I perceive as a growing movement of alternative researchers in their unified condemnation of JB. Namely Ian R Crane, Jim Corr and others. They are circulating the allegation that Jane is either mentally unstable or a NWO plant. All this at a time when Jane is apparently fighting against prosecution by the Austrian Judiciary.

I for one cannot turn a blind eye to this situation as ultimately it comes down to this: Either JB is untrustworthy or her accusers are. We must know which in order to prevent further manipulative attempts from the guilty party/ies in the future. To this end I implore Jane to address this situation directly & publicly (as her accusers are doing). I have heard she is in hiding, but she can remain so and address this issue through the internet.

The presenter of North East truth Radio, Mike (hosted by TNS radio) has said he would have her on his show to debate this situation as I'm sure Vince, the host of TNS radio (on which she has previously appeared) would. So again I implore Jane to step up to the challenge of her own credibility by directly addressing these damaging allegations.

In closing, I would like to state that we are being told more & more frequently to start living in our hearts instead of just in our minds, to listen to our heart by being more aware of the emotions we feel when focusing on a given situation and acting accordingly. My heart told me JB was speaking from her heart in the interviews I have witnessed. What do your hearts and or minds tell you?

Thanks for listening.



i think you are provoking unnecessary firm positioning... :yu: l

p.s. the way i hear it, your analysis comes from your mind and not from the heart you say you are so fond of ...i don't appreciate your intro at all because you are blatently using a false premise as basis for a debate you are trying to impose ...i also think you are underestimating the forum members...l

avid
19th August 2010, 18:05
Jane has sacrificed everything lately for us!!!
We should promote all of the negativities related to her cause.
There are many people wishing her to die check out Horotwitz....

http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/jane-brgermeister-whistleblower-extraordinaire/

fifi
19th August 2010, 18:59
JB is a genuine and brave whistleblower to me.

Dale
19th August 2010, 19:58
Jane is an extremely courageous and intelligent individual. She has done a great deal of work to expose the fraud behind last year's swine flu ordeal.

Now, there are plenty of researchers in the "conspiracy field" that declare all who contradict their own views a "NWO shrill," or a COINTELPRO agent, or even mentally unstable; but I, personally, do not see those individuals as researchers to begin with.

RAKMEiSTER
19th August 2010, 20:17
Curative:

i think you are provoking unnecessary firm positioning... :yu: l

p.s. the way i hear it, your analysis comes from your mind and not from the heart you say you are so fond of ...i don't appreciate your intro at all because you are blatently using a false premise as basis for a debate you are trying to impose ...i also think you are underestimating the forum members...l

agrees with that
and i see her as genuine
respect for her.
i hope some good folks(swiss and more) will support her in this madness of the judiciary crap, cause* some people with power on the background orchestrating the path and background proof to make it valid not facts (laws)

jeannacav
19th August 2010, 20:18
Yes, I agree it is a mine-field
And
I agree Jane is completely sincere and coming from her heart.
And, she risked this attack from the beginning and knew it and continued in spite of this possibility.
So, I add "very brave" to the list of her attributes.

I applaud Jane

and send her my prayers for her safety.
I know she is a sovereign Being, and I am also sure she realizes this too, so my prayers are for her physical safety since her immortal Being is safe.

jeanna

JoeNashville
19th August 2010, 20:38
I'm with Jane! Given all she's been doing and going through lately, it's only natural for her to get a little frayed around the edges. It must be very stressful. I haven't seen anything for me to believe otherwise. I still trust her words and deeds.

Anytime groups of people gang up on another and start throwing stones their actions are suspect in my book. Resort to attacking the messenger it almost always means their message is suspect. One of those observational life lessons that almost always rings true, because sadly it almost always works because people don't bother to keep sight of the facts and the truth.

More information would be helpful. Perhaps in this thread, posted up to aid in the discussion. If we can't provide support to brave people like JB we are missing an opportunity IMO.

noxon medem
19th August 2010, 22:34
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friend or foe
the basic logic is flawed
dualistic in a multipular situation.
she is what she is.
what you perceive is your matter..
But she should be careful to mix her own
private, family, property, thing
With the bigger picture, or situation ...
.

Teakai
20th August 2010, 01:20
I think whistleblowers must be incredibly strong people with a huge conscience. There seems to be no great thanks from the general public for putting themselves on the line.

I guess we can be thankful that their conscience is what inspires them to speak out and not acceptance of the masses.

Snowbird
20th August 2010, 02:13
Jane has sacrificed everything lately for us!!!
We should promote all of the negativities related to her cause.
There are many people wishing her to die check out Horotwitz....

http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/jane-brgermeister-whistleblower-extraordinaire/

No wonder our dear sweet and brave Jane is in hiding. The ghouls are out to get her.

Swine flu prompts changes to Mental Health Act
Wednesday 23rd September 2009

The government plans to rush through measures allowing people with suspected mental health issues to be quickly detained because of fears over staff shortages in any forthcoming swine flu outbreak, it has been revealed.

The temporary changes to the Mental Health Act, as laid out in an unusually short consultation lasting just one month, would mean it would only take one doctor, rather than two, to have a person sectioned and put on medication without their consent.


http://www.managementinpractice.com/default.asp?title=SwineflupromptschangestoMentalHe althAct&page=article.display&article.id=18628


Jane Bürgermeister, Whistleblower Extraordinaire

It is certainly true that they have written into the health care reform rules that no company can be sued for damages, and I read the other day that the UK quietly and quickly wrote a law that says if you refuse the vaccine, health care workers have the green light to use it as evidence of being clinically insane, with coercive powers to hospitalize in mental hospitals and then force medications and vaccines on said patients. Refusal of vaccine equals insanity?

http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/jane-brgermeister-whistleblower-extraordinaire/

Curative
22nd August 2010, 00:01
Hi guy's thanks for your interest in this difficult to debate subject

I have downloaded the 3hr interview between North East Truth & Ian R Crane (to my pc) but cannot upload here because of a site restriction on file size uploads (even after reducing it to it's relevant 17 minutes).

i will post a link below to the three hour interview, the relevant time frame is from 2hrs 33mins in, however I could not find a simple way of fast forwarding to that point, but that may be just me. It is though an interesting 3hr interview if you have the time to listen.

The main points to consider when contemplating this 'debate' are:

1. And make no mistake about this, Ian R Crane is rapidly becoming one of the biggest names in the UK within the alternative truth movement. Mainly because of his AV events http://www.avlll.co.uk/index.php

2. Jim Corr is a member (and brother) of 'The Corrs' http://www.thecorrswebsite.com/ He has his own website (as Steven posted earlier) http://www.jimcorr.com/

Their words will carry weight to many ears. To hope this will all just go away is naive, if these allegations are left unchallenged Jane Burgermeister's reputation will be in ruins before much longer.

As I state in my opening post, "either JB is untrustworthy or her accusers are."

It is (IMO) imperative we identify any and all deliberate detractors of truth, that we may guard ourselves from their influence of a negative nature in the future. Of equal importance is the unity of community (common unity).

If I am the only one who feels this way, then perhaps the few attempts at suppression and deflection by argument in this thread are correct in their opinions of me. Of course it does allow opportunity to reflect and see who exposes what about their own agendas.

Label me a 'truth seeker' if you must, I freely admit it holds importance for me and is the true underlying reason for this thread. Here is the link...scroll down a bit to find the player on the left. Then hopefully we can debate the consensus.

http://northeasttruth.com/featured-articles/north-east-truth-radio-week-12-ian-r-crane-anthony-murray-3-hour-show/

lightblue
22nd August 2010, 00:15
curative:
As I state in my opening post, "either JB is untrustworthy or her accusers are."

-who, according to you, are jb's accusers - as you are trying hard to stir this very discussion?

- what do you understand by accusing?

- what do you understand by alleging?

- how have jim carr and r crane indebted humanity? how is their work significant according to you? why do you believe they have any credibility at all? I looked up their websites and the content did not hold my attention for longer than 1 minute, if that :no: - honestly....


thank you :wink: l

Fredkc
22nd August 2010, 00:34
It is (IMO) imperative we identify any and all deliberate detractors of truth, that we may guard ourselves from their influence of a negative nature in the future. Of equal importance is the unity of community (common unity).
Not fer nothin' but, these two statements are contradictory regardless of the subject matter.

The quick'n dirty way to discredit anyone with uncomfortable information is to
Make a flurry of charges about their information,
Get the local government to bury them in fake criminal charges
Label them as obvious disinfo,
And finally, after having driven them nuts with all the harassment, state that "See? I TOLD you they were crazy!"
If nothing else, it "hijacks" their message, turning the discussion to information about their information, charges to counter-charges about charges made, etc.

To be honest, some of the things I've read by her in the last few weeks seem a bit "harried". Given what has been done to her, I'd have to say she's holding up twice as well as I would.

In the end, JB should be about the info she has brought forth. Is it accurate? Is it helpful?
Not pointing fingers here http://fredsitelive.com/images/post/left.jpghttp://fredsitelive.com/images/post/right.jpg
Just a thought ;)
Fred

lightblue
22nd August 2010, 00:44
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jb shall be vindicated :victory: l





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Curative
24th August 2010, 17:21
curative:

-who, according to you, are jb's accusers - as you are trying hard to stir this very discussion?

- what do you understand by accusing?

- what do you understand by alleging?

- how have jim carr and r crane indebted humanity? how is their work significant according to you? why do you believe they have any credibility at all? I looked up their websites and the content did not hold my attention for longer than 1 minute, if that :no: - honestly....


thank you :wink: l

lightblue,

Along with the above you admit to conducting less than 60 seconds worth of research on both Ian's & Jim's respective sites. This indicates to me you have probably not listened to the 3hr interview where the allegations are clearly made. Please do so before making further 'knee jerk' comments.

http://northeasttruth.com/featured-articles/north-east-truth-radio-week-12-ian-r-crane-anthony-murray-3-hour-show/

Fredkc

"Not fer nothin' but, these two statements are contradictory regardless of the subject matter."

I can see how my comment could initially be seen as contradictory, let me explain.

My interpretation is that we need to be establishing a common unity in this world, based on truth, to this end those who may be involved in undermining this aim should, where possible, be identified as doing such, so that the likelihood of their manipulative influence negatively effecting the 'truth/unity movement' in the future can be greatly reduced.

Further discussion will hopefully allow us to get to the bottom of this matter.

Folks, please listen to the interview to see where I'm coming from.

Second Son
24th August 2010, 17:59
Curative.. Friend or Foe?

The easiest way to sway popular opinion and put questions in peoples' minds is to ask that very question, Curative. To even think for a moment that Jane, with all of the legal harassment of late could answer to these allegations is preposterous. I judge the worth and credence of a person (whistleblower or not) by their humility. I think you will find most if not all of the researchers and whistleblowers featured on this forum are very respectfull to the rest of their peers. I have never heard of any of the "big names" slamming or slandering one another or debunking their material... on the contrary, I mostly hear them referencing each others' material, speaking together, giving impromptu joint interviews, etc. I recently listened to a Michael Tsarion interview wherein he thanked all of the alternative researchers who came before him (I think he said he came up "on their backs").

So, in short, though I think this type of thread is divisive and counter-productive, I am responding to it out of a desire to point this out. This forum, I think, is a place for discerning, progressive people to assimilate data, facts, opinions, etc. I personally haven't much use for second hand doubts about these facts and data. I take those parts of each and every interview I watch/read/listen to, and correlate it with what I already "know", and throw out what doesn't work or ring true. I hope everyone else does as well. I DO NOT believe every word form every researcher, but my doubts are my own, as are my truths.

If I was only allowed one litmus test of a person's truthfulness, it might just be whether or not they allow others their OWN truths. Based upon this, and the fact that I have yet to hear any conspiracy researchers whom I respect talking negatively about their contemporaries, I would have to conclude that both of your sources lack credibility... at least to me.

Peace out.

Bill Ryan
24th August 2010, 18:22
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Hi, All:

Jane told me in January that Ian Crane has disinvited her from a planned UK presentation because of accusations he had read that she had not actually filed the legal complaints she stated that she had.

Jane said that she had immediately got back to Ian Crane, offering to send him documentation.

But apparently Crane told her he was not interested. Jane then decided that as his mind had been made up without hearing her side of any evidence, his conference was definitely not one which she would want to speak at anyway.

Fredkc
24th August 2010, 18:38
But apparently Crane told her he was not interested. Jane then decided that as his mind had been made up without hearing her side of any evidence, his conference was definitely not one which she would want to speak at anyway.

My point as well.
The person's information becomes secondary, or even lost in the hub-ub over the discussion about what people claim about their information.

MSM are experts at this. It may or may not have anything to do with them being "Evil", but just lazy.
Going to "first principles" by examining the original information requires time, expense.
While merely sticking a microphone in someone's face, saying,
"How do you feel?" or
"So-and-so said this... what do you say to that?"

informs no one, really, but...
it does fill the time until the next commercial, just the same. ;)

"With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action"

Fred

Second Son
24th August 2010, 18:41
Thank you Bill for clearing that up. Thanks for many, many things really.

Back to the topic at hand... I think there are MANY conspiracy researchers who give just enough of the facts, that the majority of the public, upon hearing their facts, stop looking. Michael Moore comes to mind as perhaps the biggest. He digs up all kinds of dirt in "Fahrenheit 911", but never really gets to the heart of it, because that was not his intention. I am not sure if anyone else noticed, but he came up with a full length documentary about health just prior to the government's passing of the Healthcare Reform Bill...

There are many "conspiracy researchers" who are every bit as much paid government disinformation brokers as Mr. Moore, I am afraid.

wynderer
24th August 2010, 18:49
My point as well.
The person's information becomes secondary, or even lost in the hub-ub over the discussion about what people claim about their information.

Fred

i haven't yet watched the interview -- but this whole thread seems evidence of Fred's statement above -- i don't think the NWO is done w/their mandatory vaccination plan -- they will try again-- & anyone who stands up against this, publicly, especially a professional, must have guts & principles

also -- there are those in the NWO who can see into the future & thus identify who will be the real threat down the line --think JFK, the Rev MLK, Malcolm X, etc-- it could be Jane B is one such

morguana
24th August 2010, 21:34
what will be will be, i hope that the balance in all things will be reached including the issue with jb, on one level or another.
lies may be told on this level but on the other levels a truth will be found and will in the end be filtered down to our world.
someone needs to let the 'bad' guys know that they may win one round but in the end all humans will reap what they sow........its just a matter of time

Kulapops
24th August 2010, 22:07
... a truth is a truth.. wherever you find it... and they're usually not long and complicated...

jaybee
24th August 2010, 22:14
Curative.. Friend or Foe?

The easiest way to sway popular opinion and put questions in peoples' minds is to ask that very question, Curative. To even think for a moment that Jane, with all of the legal harassment of late could answer to these allegations is preposterous. I judge the worth and credence of a person (whistleblower or not) by their humility. I think you will find most if not all of the researchers and whistleblowers featured on this forum are very respectfull to the rest of their peers. I have never heard of any of the "big names" slamming or slandering one another or debunking their material... on the contrary, I mostly hear them referencing each others' material, speaking together, giving impromptu joint interviews, etc. I recently listened to a Michael Tsarion interview wherein he thanked all of the alternative researchers who came before him (I think he said he came up "on their backs").

So, in short, though I think this type of thread is divisive and counter-productive, I am responding to it out of a desire to point this out. This forum, I think, is a place for discerning, progressive people to assimilate data, facts, opinions, etc. I personally haven't much use for second hand doubts about these facts and data. I take those parts of each and every interview I watch/read/listen to, and correlate it with what I already "know", and throw out what doesn't work or ring true. I hope everyone else does as well. I DO NOT believe every word form every researcher, but my doubts are my own, as are my truths.

If I was only allowed one litmus test of a person's truthfulness, it might just be whether or not they allow others their OWN truths. Based upon this, and the fact that I have yet to hear any conspiracy researchers whom I respect talking negatively about their contemporaries, I would have to conclude that both of your sources lack credibility... at least to me.

Peace out.

Well said....

Threads like this are very painful.....and don't acheive anything worthwhile.....(.black propaganda?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda

morguana
24th August 2010, 22:39
... a truth is a truth.. wherever you find it... and they're usually not long and complicated...
exactly :) thank you kula

frank samuel
24th August 2010, 23:09
At the end of December here in Puerto Rico the local government was going to make it mandatory for everyone to get the H1N1 vaccine. This meant that if your children where not vaccinated you could be charge with negligence. Thanks to people like Jane and Dr. Horowitz their voices echo all throughout the world. After it was all said and done less that 4 % of the population where vaccinated, the rest including entire faculties of teachers refuse to take the vaccine.

It is no longer mandatory for children to be vaccinated but we are not out of the woods yet. The loss of profits for the investment companies are huge so I'm sure they will try another false flag sometime in the future, only this time few people will believe them.

Many many blessings to all.:thumb:

jaybee
24th August 2010, 23:14
It is no longer mandatory for children to be vaccinated but we are not out of the woods yet. The loss of profits for the investment companies are huge so I'm sure they will try another false flag sometime in the future, only this time few people will believe them.


Hopefully they have snookered themselves.....

Steven
25th August 2010, 16:46
...First of all, what are the facts that indicates JB is 'mentally unstable or a NWO plant'?

Hello Curative,

I am still waiting for you to present the facts on which these 'conclusions' are based upon...

And please, don't tell me to watch an interview to search for answers. You came making a thread saying some people says she is 'mentally ill or a NWO plant', why do they say this? And after you have provide the reason why they do come to this conclusion, you will aslo have to bring evidence that they are right.

Then, I will listen to your warning. Meanwhile, JB is still frank, honest and courageous. Ian R Crane and Jim Corr are simply making false accusation based on assumptions. They are simply not serious and avoidable at all cost. Probably, they are the ones working for the NWO anyway. A quick look at their sites already tells me of their thirst for popularity.

I hope you will answer this.

Namaste, Steven

lightblue
25th August 2010, 17:11
curative:
lightblue,

Along with the above you admit to conducting less than 60 seconds worth of research on both Ian's & Jim's respective sites. This indicates to me you have probably not listened to the 3hr interview where the allegations are clearly made. Please do so before making further 'knee jerk' comments.

curative,

you still haven't answered my questions to you (my post #15 of this thread), yet you are saying my commenting was rushed...i have one more question for you : why do you think i should accept your recommended reading - do you have your own opinion on these author's work and what is it you are basing it on? why do you suppose i should read corr's and other guy's websites when on mere glancing i found them totally uneventful? Why, oh why would i go through that hardship just to satisfy your outright instruction? :blink: l

Victoria Tintagel
25th August 2010, 18:43
Quote from Curative "However I have recently been involved in debate regarding her credibility with what I perceive as a growing movement of alternative researchers in their unified condemnation of JB. Namely Ian R Crane, Jim Corr and others. They are circulating the allegation that Jane is either mentally unstable or a NWO plant. All this at a time when Jane is apparently fighting against prosecution by the Austrian Judiciary".

In my not so humble opinion, Jane Burgermeister is very level headed and conscious of the fact that she will be attacked by the pharmaceutical industry, while she is exposing its practices. The latest news I got from her blog, is that she has been on trial on the 12th of august and is helped by a team of supporters. Certain aspects of the allegations have to be studied and she has been given one more month, before appearing again in court. I believe this news is here in the forum somewhere, just do some searching with her name, okay? I also suggest that, when posting rumors, the sender does some research first. To include facts and other data, otherwise this information adds to negative feelings and can be viewed as unnecesary hearsay, to be honest. This is our chance, as Avalonians, to participate in a certain type of disclosure, know what I mean?

LindyLou22
30th August 2010, 00:51
....whether or not she actually filed these charges as she claims....

and


....a growing movement of alternative researchers in their unified condemnation of JB. Namely Ian R Crane, Jim Corr and others. They are circulating the allegation that Jane is either mentally unstable or a NWO plant.

Like others here, I believe your questions are disingenuous. No matter how much faint praise within which you cloak your disgusting allegations, this comes across as an obvious attempt to discredit Ms.Burgermeister and her work.

I work in the healthcare field. Let me tell you from my own experience how the H1N1 vaccine has been hyped to the point of hysteria. More than once I had to sign a waiver to decline the vaccine, and then I was demanded to justify my reasons for it on several occasions, as my paperwork was claimed to be lost. My job was threatened because of what they were calling failure to comply. Yes, the phrase the hospital used was "failure to comply."

On the other hand, I am also familiar with the FACT that there are aftereffects of vaccines. Just the other day I dealt with a case of a teenager with irretractable seizures as a result of sodium channel mutation brought about by MMR vaccine. That is a human being who will never realize his/her potential.

Ms. Burgermeister is a very well balanced and conscious human being. Your seeds of doubt have fallen on some very rocky and unyielding ground as far as I'm concerned.

Victoria Tintagel
30th August 2010, 09:12
Thanks very much LindyLou22! I agree with your point of view totally and full heartedly! There's been lots of children having dizzy spells after being vaccinated with H1N1. Most doctors didn't report this, as they had instructions to only do that when a person was on the edge of dying, after being vaccinated. And there have been children with serious symptoms, even dying, shortly after being vaccinated. The sad thing was that this happened after some days after the vaccination and the doctors explained it away as completely not having any connection with the vaccination. If any of you is interested in the background of these events, just google Dr. Joseph Mercola, a natural physician who did some research on H1N1.

lightblue
9th September 2010, 19:42
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dear curative

your sources ian crane and jim carr trun out diletantes and what they were on about is essentially tittle-tattle, malicious baseless gossip....no way you could flogg them further on as jane burgermeister IS vindicated..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5385-Jane-Burgermeister-is-free

i neoo, i neoo, i neoo it :yes2: l


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