World’s oldest pyramid found in Crimea, (could this be the cause of the Ukrainian conflict)

[robert]

We need to keep an eye on this one

-Robert


SIMFEROPIL/ AQMESCIT (QHA) - A Ukrainian scientist discovered the oldest pyramid in the world. Most interestingly, it was found in the most beautiful corner of the country, in Crimea.
As the ICTV channel reported, the finding was revealed by accident, when during his test alternative methods of finding water Ukrainian scientist Vitalii Goh discovered underground unknown object, which proved to be a giant pyramid of 45 meters in height and a length of about 72 meters. Goh said that the pyramid was built during the time of the dinosaurs.
“Crimean pyramid” has a truncated top, like a Mayan pyramid, but its appearance is more like an Egyptian. It is hollow inside, and a mummy of unknown creature is buried under the foundation.
“Under the foundation is a small body in the form of a mummy long 1.3-1.4 meters with a crown on his head.”
“There is a resonance chamber of so-called Sphinx. The pyramids were built in the era of the dinosaurs,” says the scientist in an interview with ICTV.
It remains unknown who build the pyramid.
The unique building is the oldest on the planet, says Vitalii Goh.

Source: http://qha.com.ua/world-s-oldest-pyramid-found-in-crimea-116152en.html


Mod Edit: Two more threads have been merged with this existing one.

[eni-al]

Can't find anything more on it, but searching around google, but this is the same guy http://www.vitaly-gokh.narod.ru/gokhe1.htm
How he came by 'era of the dinosaurs' is a pretty big claim though, needs some evidence with that before it should really be taken as any fact, pyramid could have been carved out of any rock dated back to the mesozoic era, as it seems its underground.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gokh.net%2F&act=url

[andrewgreen]

He does realise how long ago Dinosaurs were on this planet right?

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Robert interresting article , Pyrimids seem to have a very important function in earlier earth cultures...

Cannot find much on this yet as pie'n'eal said but found this letter sent into a site
last year quoting local folk legends ties in with article...
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Underground pyramids

#0, by dinodad, 03 April 2011 10:52 PM


NOW – AMAZING THINGS IN UKRAINE

The following information came initially from a contact
named Al. He wrote:

“I want to share with you a story my late grandfather
told me many years ago. I live in Canada now, but
originally I come from the Crimea. The Crimea is
currently part of the Ukraine, though it belonged to
Russia for about 200 years before Ukraine's independence.
All my ancestors lived in the Crimea for centuries.

“The Crimean peninsula is a fascinating place in terms of
ancient history and archaeology, and was invaded and
inhabited by all sorts of tribes and nations, from
Cimmerians, Greeks and Romans to the Genoese, Kumans
and Osman Turks.

“What my grandfather told me has stuck in the back of my
mind since I was a small boy. He told the same exact story
to my mother, his daughter, when she was little.

“My grandfather was a taxi driver for at least 30 years
and he often took passengers to other towns all over the
Crimea, so he saw and heard a lot of interesting stuff in
his lifetime.

“I must mention at this point that the Crimea is a
mountainous country, with a range of mountains stretching
along the South Coast, that creates a very picturesque
backdrop for the world-renowned resort city of Yalta. The
highest peak is Mt. Ai-Petri itself (1234 m).

MOORING RING ON A MOUNTAIN

“What my grandfather told me is that somewhere near the
peak of Mt. Ai-Petri, there is a very old, huge, rusty
mooring ring protruding out of the rock. It is a ring that
was used to tiemooring ropes of seafaring ships.

“He told us that in ancient times the level of the Black
Sea was where the mountain peaks are now. You can imagine
what a fascinating mystery that was for a child.

UNDERGROUND SPHINX AND PYRAMIDS

“Also, a few years ago a number of ancient subterranean
pyramids (7 in total) were discovered just outside of my
hometown, Sevastopol. The researchers have also found an
underground sphinx facing east, and radiation levels are
way over normal.”

Thanks, Al.

http://ancientstuff.maxforum.org/2011/04/03/underground-pyramids/


Nice story ...cheers Steve

[onawah]

From: Crop Circles-UFO's-Ancient Mysteries-Scientific Speculations

Peter Keogh posts us this 6 minute video - "Is this the Cause of War? Oldest Pyramid on Earth found buried In Crimea, Ukraine!" - with his covering comment - 'I think you will find this fascinating, is there a connection with the military build up in the region, 'Pyramids discovered in the Ukraine' is this a scramble to discover ancient technologies….'

-aNLvFKPvPc

Also see: http://www.european-pyramids.eu/wb/pages/european-pyramids/ukraine/crimea.php


THE CRIMEAN PYRAMIDS

There are said to exist 37 pyramids on the Crimean peninsula down southeast along the coast line. 7 underground pyramids - as claimed - were found by Dr.Gokh near Sebastopol (lat.44°36'14'' N/33°33' E).

http://www.tryukraine.com/news/2007/05.shtml report of a personal meeting with Dr.Gokh

http://www.philipcoppens.com/nap_art1.html report by the renowned author Ph.Coppens

Scientists to dig mysterious pyramids in Sebastopol
Tens of scientists from different countries explore a place in Sebastopol, where seven ancient pyramids are presumably hidden underground. Archeological dig is underway.

Sebastopol researcher Vitaly Gokh found the whereabouts of pyramids with the help of his unique patented invention, which lets to define any substances underground. For several years he has made a search of minerals and water. Detailed analysis of one of the found constructions showed not natural, but artificial character of its creation.

“We found extremely strong formation, which includes animal protein, gypsum, liquid glass, gravel. It is a man-caused pyramid, which radiates specific energy in certain periods“ Vitaly Gokh narrated.

Ihor Kotelyanets, aid of the head of Sebastopol national university of nuclear energy and industry, together with enthusiasts decided to confirm or refute the discovery.

More than 20 commissions, including international ones, have visited the place recently. The majority of scientists consider that underground pyramids of Sebastopol confirm the guess of American scientists about that 65 million years ago an ancient civilization died out because of fall of giant meteorite.

ForUm http://en.for-ua.com/news/2006/07/17/122656.html
Pyramids of Dew an interesting article on the possible use of pyramids to gain water on the dry Crimean peninsula.

http://www.european-pyramids.eu/wb/media/Ukraina/CrimeaMap-small.jpg

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Hate to be "all skeptical like" but.... what freaking pyramid? I don't see squat?

And what is it with all these amazing discoveries (alleged) with 1 photo taken with a calculator? I call BS.

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These in Scotland however... WOW!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/AlienLife.NevT/permalink/627178364002144/

[NewEarth-B]

Great Info.....Would not dismiss it for sure. :alien:



From: Crop Circles-UFO's-Ancient Mysteries-Scientific Speculations

Peter Keogh posts us this 6 minute video - "Is this the Cause of War? Oldest Pyramid on Earth found buried In Crimea, Ukraine!" - with his covering comment - 'I think you will find this fascinating, is there a connection with the military build up in the region, 'Pyramids discovered in the Ukraine' is this a scramble to discover ancient technologies….'

-aNLvFKPvPc

Also see: http://www.european-pyramids.eu/wb/pages/european-pyramids/ukraine/crimea.php


THE CRIMEAN PYRAMIDS

There are said to exist 37 pyramids on the Crimean peninsula down southeast along the coast line. 7 underground pyramids - as claimed - were found by Dr.Gokh near Sebastopol (lat.44°36'14'' N/33°33' E).

http://www.tryukraine.com/news/2007/05.shtml report of a personal meeting with Dr.Gokh

http://www.philipcoppens.com/nap_art1.html report by the renowned author Ph.Coppens

Scientists to dig mysterious pyramids in Sebastopol
Tens of scientists from different countries explore a place in Sebastopol, where seven ancient pyramids are presumably hidden underground. Archeological dig is underway.

Sebastopol researcher Vitaly Gokh found the whereabouts of pyramids with the help of his unique patented invention, which lets to define any substances underground. For several years he has made a search of minerals and water. Detailed analysis of one of the found constructions showed not natural, but artificial character of its creation.

“We found extremely strong formation, which includes animal protein, gypsum, liquid glass, gravel. It is a man-caused pyramid, which radiates specific energy in certain periods“ Vitaly Gokh narrated.

Ihor Kotelyanets, aid of the head of Sebastopol national university of nuclear energy and industry, together with enthusiasts decided to confirm or refute the discovery.

More than 20 commissions, including international ones, have visited the place recently. The majority of scientists consider that underground pyramids of Sebastopol confirm the guess of American scientists about that 65 million years ago an ancient civilization died out because of fall of giant meteorite.

ForUm http://en.for-ua.com/news/2006/07/17/122656.html
Pyramids of Dew an interesting article on the possible use of pyramids to gain water on the dry Crimean peninsula.

http://www.european-pyramids.eu/wb/media/Ukraina/CrimeaMap-small.jpg

[NewEarth-B]

Great info for sure and thanks for putting it up. Thought it was about resources but not thinking about Pyramids. Will watch that space……:wizard:

[Sunny-side-up]

Any Russian to English/American translators in the house?

This vid (2007) is in Russian but much can be seen of the maps and images shown.
One map (point 1:57 to 2:59 sequence seems to show sea level changes in relation to the 37 pyramids, which to my eye's look as if they where set out in alignment with each other in a total grid covering that country!

At point 14:03 a very interesting drawing of one of the under ground pyramids.
Anoter cutaway image point 37:27
Rough drawn map of all found Pyramids (all showing connected layout. point 39:32

http://www.gokh.net/
and at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkY-KSKZUCU#t=258




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvs7CMj9J-I
Below: this image taken from above vid at point 11:43 ?
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z413/Alanshots/853ee641-75e3-45c1-bf04-c55e80a716cc.jpg (http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/Alanshots/media/853ee641-75e3-45c1-bf04-c55e80a716cc.jpg.html)
Is this the creature they say they found? 0.o
and carvings/markings down the shaft?

This place is truely important and so probably very powerfull, much of the oldest info on Earth will be found in these 37 (37 to explore lol) or so pyramids!

[Referee]

Here is more. These pyramids align with other structure like the serpent mound in Ohio.

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[STR]

Its supposed to be older than anyone is going to want to accept. Apparently a extinct species of dinosaur or lizard was unearthed in the same spot and something about a crown as if it was revered and ritualistically buried. May be ceremonial was the word. I forget the actual meaning. But its a sacred thing. That word came up at least twice something very sacred very precious. Gold crown but that is not the precious I don't think. Something else about live currents being read all over and water still under there running strong and the system still being alive or active I think he said.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

OK like to press the point here please if i may: Where is the IMAGE of a PYRAMID?

There is zilch! So are we now to believe everything we hear? What happened to discernment? C'mon. Im calling BS!

Us-aMbxdwn4 from 2012 - over a year and nothing new?

[Qauntumreverse]

Id like to propose a hypothesis based on interpretations from my reverse speaking data that seems to converge with this subject. please bear with me as this has been a process of linking together synchronistic data that converges with subjects such as the Crimea pyramid topic. As I interpret what the information i perceive coming thru my reverse speaking and other subspace communications. Is the pyramid system is a very old technology that propagates a type of quantum subspace field that is being feed by a "signal" this signal seems to have a non-locational attribute but has been coming more directly from Mars and possibly Saturn. (This quote is taken from this website http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/coppens_pyramids04.htm )

“The source of fuel for such a reactor is a physical vacuum – the torsion field of the Universe. It consists of two opposite kinds of particles: torsions and antitorsions. In a torsion reactor […] an effect of torsion and antitorsion ‘frequency acceleration’ is taking place up to such degree that they begin to merge and initiate a chain reaction.”

He continues:

“the source of a subtle feed of celestial objects is provided by a Galactic Beam, emanating from the centre of the Galaxy. Consistently passing seven cosmic belts, it synchronizes its vibration. The energy liberated as a result of such frequency reduction (braking frequency), is directed on power maintenance of celestial objects’ live ability.”

In case you wonder what this has to do with the pyramids:

“These energies come, in particular, to a nucleus of the Earth, from stars through pyramids, mixing up in a power cocktail by means of a Shamballa Crystal – a kind of a carburetor – and then are delivered to the Earth Nucleus.”

According to my findings with reverse speaking this energy is the mechanism that is the template of manifestational "laws" on earth in regards to a type of observer effect and is related to ether and the Fribonaci series. Further to this I believe harp cern and other similar tech that is secret interface to this network of pyramids to recieve this quantum "signal" that creates the reality as we know it. This source signal is the basis or template that aligns modern harp to keep the mindkontrol "hum" going. We see the interesting "coincidences" of the political machinations to be related to this. I would also say the fact that these lines of force that wrap earth in a "grid" seem to relate to religions control on an etheric level.
CRpRho3SiZA This i feel fits with the "Signal" my reverse (torsion field) speaking indicates I belive the dimensions of the frequency have been in disharmony to what this system was originally intended for. This time wave would fit with the changing of this fundamental flux.

[STR]

You know not to change the subject but the shape, positioning and design of the logo of the dragon in Cliff's video sure looks like a representation of the recent find in Crimea of a buried ceremonially dressed dragon of some extinct variety from the Jurassic apparently! Wow! So where does this logo originate from. Don't tell me Ukraine ! :-)

[christian]

These pyramids were discovered more than ten years ago (http://www.tryukraine.com/news/2007/05.shtml). I doubt that the current Russian engagement there is the smokescreen for some archaeological field research, to me it seems much more likely that the reason is indeed the unstable political situation in the Ukraine...

[STR]

Yeah the location is known about yes but supposedly there was a new find that has a lot of people excited. If its an active dig going on for ten years it stands to reason they could find something eventually. I heard it was a huge gold crown, extremely heavy and large as in big enough to fit the head of a giant lizard dinosaur something or other. That would be worth fighting over, maybe even squatting an army over huh?

[gripreaper]

That is correct. Apparently they found a shaft that went right into the heart of one of these pyramids. Its anyone's guess what they found, but it must be rather significant for all the action in Crimea. This is the most plausible explanation as to what's going on, in my mind. I'm surprised this thread hasn't gotten more attention.

Just like in Iraq when Bush went in under the auspices of "weapon's of mass destruction" when really, Saddam was planning on taking the Sumerian cylinder seals and other ancient artifacts and opening a museum, so the US went in there, took all the Sumerian artifacts and tucked them away in the London basement.

So, without any further adieu, here's the distraction!

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix7/crimea-river-obama-560x560.jpg

I nominate it for an Academy Award in the "best dressed" category! :)

[eaglespirit]

I think this thread and happening is being watched by many and is getting plenty of 'quiet' attention!

[Camilo]

http://youtu.be/-aNLvFKPvPc

Published on Mar 3, 2014

THIS IS JUST MIND BLOWING! VERY LITTLE INFO OUT THERE ON THESE PYRAMIDS! BUT WE KNOW 2 THINGS FOR SURE.1, THEY ARE BEING CALLED THE OLDEST,2) THEY ARE THERE!! and so are Russian Troops!

[ghostrider]

these pyramids in Ukraine could be more than 70,043 years old ... the old lyrians that came here 389,000 years ago built huge stone cities and pyramids on every continent of earth , and the moon and mars ...through their madness , all cities on earth were destroyed and covered up, that's why we still find them when we dig ... it was 8,000 years later before a lineage of the Lyrian bloodline returned to earth to rebuild after the great nuclear war ...

[Yetti]

Hey Ghostrider, where did you get that? wit specific dates ?

[ThePythonicCow]

From: Crop Circles-UFO's-Ancient Mysteries-Scientific Speculations


THIS IS JUST MIND BLOWING! VERY LITTLE INFO OUT THERE ON THESE PYRAMIDS! BUT WE KNOW 2 THINGS FOR SURE.1, THEY ARE BEING CALLED THE OLDEST,2) THEY ARE THERE!! and so are Russian Troops!

I just merged these two threads, as they seem to be on the same topic.

[crosby]

please see this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69257-UFO-spotted-over-Ukraine--video-

could be something of importance.
warmest,
crosby

[Yetti]

HEY CAMILO , HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK COEVOLUTION OF ALEC NEWALD? There is some good info in it that may easy out the way to tie some loose ends. Uknow?

[jackovesk]

HEY CAMILO , HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK COEVOLUTION OF ALEC NEWALD? There is some good info in it that may easy out the way to tie some loose ends. Uknow?

I'm not Camilo, but agreed...:yes4:

You can find a little more info on the subject here...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54281-Project-Camelot-ET-Intervention-Alec-Newald-David-Griffin..-&p=806642#post806642

[Atlas]

Goh is known for its amusement facilities in certain Crimean circles for a long time. For example, several years ago, he stridently argued that under territory of the Crimean peninsula is a large pool of fresh hot water, formed from salty ocean water, then found deposits of gold and platinum near Balaklava ... And never brought any concrete evidence. (source (http://yqyq.net/12686-Krymskie_piramidy_razoblachenie_sensacii.html))

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_piramundo/coppens_pyramids04_01.jpg
Vitaly Gokh at the site of his discovery in 1999.


Gokh is a modern-day example of “the pyramidiot” (source (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/coppens_pyramids04.htm))

[svein magne]

hmmmmm ok i will play the devils lawyer her now,,, we reely have to be shure too put stuff like this out on sites like this ,,,, any way , this is politic in very high plan ,,,,and we all know russia,s navey fleet have a base there , the best place for russia to have this fleet ,,, i belive putin think moore about that then a old pyramid who isn,t reely chect out yet,, so crime is very importent for russia anyway

[Agape]

I agree there are far more prosaic reasons and hide outs in the area ,

if you care to check the former Balaklava Nuclear Submarine Base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaklava), built into a mountain, it's huge .. turned to a museum now but my best guess is that there are plenty of them around the coast .





http://blog.wandr.me/2012/09/inside-the-super-secret-soviet-submarine-base-at-balaclava/

http://vietnamnews.vn/sunday/features/247441/soviet-submarine-secrets-surface-in-balaklava.html


For nearly half of a century, this small town seemed to not exist. All roads to this place were blocked. To enter it, a special pass was required.

Half a century later, in July 2002, Balaklava became known to the world and turned into a branch of Ukraine's Military Museum. It has since been opened to visitors from all corners of the globe.

Balaklava, the secret submarine base by the Black Sea, not far from Sevastopol, was owned by the former Soviet Union Navy during the Cold War. In the middle of last century, after the Second World War, the confrontation between the two blocks led to the Cold War and ignited an arms race involving the US and NATO's nuclear deterrence programme against the Soviet Union, hence the latter's retaliation programme.

The Mediterranean, the buffer zone between the two blocks, became an important strategic post.

At the time, the US Navy's 6th Fleet had some 50 warships carrying hundreds of war planes. All in all, the NATO Navy had about 500 warships and 850 aircraft of various types. The Soviet Union deployed its own forces to the region, hence the formation of the Black Sea Fleet. Its defence system was enhanced and Balaklava was one of such bases.

The base was underground, next to the Black Sea in the Tavros mountain. It housed facilities for submarines, ship repairs, armament stockpiles and services; built in 1953. The 14th division of the Black Sea Fleet once had its headquarters here, and there was a time when the base housed dozens of submarines, hundreds of torpedoes, rockets and many other types of weapons.

Taking advantage of a small bay to build the base, many underground tunnels were built inside the mountains to prevent outside attacks. To build the 15,000 sq.m base, an enormous investment was put in, both in terms of manpower and capital, for years. It was estimated that some 350 million roubles were spent on the latest technologies the Soviet Union had at the time. Of course, it was kept top secret.

The bay base was cleared and tunnels were built to lead submarines into the underground facility. The arsenal and even nuclear warhead storages were created in top secrecy. Many generations of commanders and sailors of the Soviet Union's Black Sea Fleet lived and served here to help defend the country for a long time.

We visited Balaklava one morning from Sevastopol, making the half an hour drive. The Black Sea teased us with views from behind the hills, houses and woods. There are clear road signs showing the way to this interesting place.

Nguyen Tan, a Vietnamese living in Ukraine for the past 30 years, told us 'in the past, all the sign posts never mentioned Balaklava. Vehicles could only enter this region after clearance from the military check-posts. Foreigners were completely prohibited."
After a hill, our car stopped on a high slope. Balaklava appeared in front of us in full view. The Tavros mountain was just nearby behind a small bay where many yachts anchored. The houses ran one after the other, from the top of the hill to the water line. A small and peaceful town showed nothing of the past. Tourist coaches lined up at the bridge leading to the former base. This 250-tonne bridge could move up and down to allow submarine's entrance to the underground base.

There was a large entrance to the underground base by the bridge and visitors can walk in or take a ride on a small canoe.

We decided to borrow a boat from an old Russian couple living right there. Mikhail Oksanchuk and his wife, Oksanchukova, have been tour guides here for quite a few years. Both were excited to know that we had travelled from Viet Nam.

He said to us, "We are friends. I have a brother who went to Viet Nam to help build the military facilities during the war. To our generation, Viet Nam remains ever a close nation."

We followed them down into the underground base. The boat carved through the water, bringing us into the huge cave. A quiet and gloomy atmosphere dominates here. We could see vast channels leading to separate zones where hundreds of people worked in the past in complete isolation with the outside world.

The most advanced weapons of the time and the submarines used to be hidden here. A channel capable of allowing the movement of small and medium size submarines was built inside the cave. Further inside was a concrete platform for the ships running along the cave's length, the branches running from one section to the other.

Oksanchuck told us that during the construction, 200,000 cu.m of rock was removed to build the channels, which were 608m long, 8m deep and 10-24m wide. The northern gate weighs 120 tonnes while the one at the southern side is amassive 150 tonnes. Hydraulic systems were built to support these equipments and a separate section stored nuclear weapons.

The gates are designed to withstand high pressure and are 0.6-3m thick, weighing dozens of tonnes. The temperature inside the area is always kept at 10-15oC and humidity does not exceed 50-60 per cent. After its independence from the Soviet Union, Ukraine developed its new diesel-class submarine fleet which can no longer use the base. Most of the equipment was therefore removed.

Okshanchuck and his wife, a small yet enthusiastic woman, brought us to all the places inside the base. Sometime we had to climb uphill to the tunnels. This is indeed a complete and perfect system that operated a mega-structure hard to detect from outside.

From the entrance to the sea, we were amazed at the beauty of the place. The water is clear and we could even see fish swimming below the surface. From this entrance, the submarines travelled in and out for decades, carrying with them their secret missions.

Many visitors like us have tried to relive the memories of this hidden, historical base.

[Joanne Shepard]

Pyramid From the Jurassic Period Found in Ukraine

As the ICTV channel reported, the finding was revealed by accident, when during his test alternative methods of finding water Ukrainian scientist Vitalii Goh discovered underground unknown object, which proved to be a giant pyramid of 45 meters in height and a length of about 72 meters.


http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/pyramid-from-the-jurassic-period-found-in-ukraine-2911538.html

[Atlas]

Goh is known for its amusement facilities in certain Crimean circles for a long time. For example, several years ago, he stridently argued that under territory of the Crimean peninsula is a large pool of fresh hot water, formed from salty ocean water, then found deposits of gold and platinum near Balaklava ... And never brought any concrete evidence. (source (http://yqyq.net/12686-Krymskie_piramidy_razoblachenie_sensacii.html))

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_piramundo/coppens_pyramids04_01.jpg
Vitaly Gokh at the site of his discovery in 1999.


Gokh is a modern-day example of “the pyramidiot” (source (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/coppens_pyramids04.htm))

Related threads:


projectavalon.net/World--s-oldest-pyramid-found-in-Crimea (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49441-World--s-oldest-pyramid-found-in-Crimea)
projectavalon.net/Oldest-Pyramids-Found-Underground-in-Crimea-Real-Cause-of-Ukraine-Invasion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69102-Oldest-Pyramids-Found-Underground-in-Crimea-Real-Cause-of-Ukraine-Invasion)

[Lifebringer]

Rut Roh..a pyramid. That means someone's trumped up excuse 4war to pillage another country for relics. Look for more tensions as the ones who've been collecting, envy and go through unbelievable curiosity to own them for themselves.

[Billy]

Two more threads on the Crimean Pyramids have been merged with this one.

Here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69102-Oldest-Pyramids-Found-Underground-in-Crimea-Real-Cause-of-Ukraine-Invasion&p=804793&viewfull=1#post804793

And here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70213-Pyramid-From-the-Jurassic-Period-Found-in-Ukraine&p=818906&viewfull=1#post818906

[Billy]

These pyramids were discovered more than ten years ago (http://www.tryukraine.com/news/2007/05.shtml). I doubt that the current Russian engagement there is the smokescreen for some archaeological field research, to me it seems much more likely that the reason is indeed the unstable political situation in the Ukraine...

Thank you Christian.2002 it seems. I followed through more links from the one you posted above. http://www.tryukraine.com/news/2007/05.shtml after reading this.

The Sevastopol 'pyramids'

I personally had the chance to meet the discoverer of a string of supposed "buried pyramids" in southwest Crimea in and around Sevastopol in the summer of 2002. Vitaliy Gokh drove us to a site in a pine grove where there was a hole in the ground that appeared to be the top of a large spherical underground chamber. The whole thing sounded suspicious to me, especially Gokh's vague descriptions of the "geoholographic" method he invented that led him to this discovery.

http://www.gokh.net/

Quote from GOKH.net.

On account of B. 2 A.Goha invention: "METHOD geohydrodiagnostics" and "Method geoholography" (patented number 13408A from 16.12.1996g. MKI6 G01V 9/02, in Ukraine) Instantly searches for all elements of the periodic table, the individual devices, objects and various minerals, objects both on our planet and galaxy in objects (including other planets, and the stars and constellations) by providing copies (subject to model) for the application of the structural field and photos planets, constellations, stars, space segment, performed using satellite equipment or telescopic observations. proposed evaluation and characterization of natural resources, to obtain information about the structure and composition of planetary cores. There are skills to find hydrocarbon reserves, gold and platinum, different types of water in Ukraine. For example, found seven ancient pyramid in the city of Sevastopol.

This is a Signature Quote from the top of the page. http://www.gokh.net/


"People are afraid of time, but time fears the pyramids."
Unknown author.

Peace

[Michel Leclerc]

Dear all,

I would like to point to interesting archeological and geological information relative to the map in the Russian television film uploaded and referred to by Sunny-Side-Up. (Hello, Sunny-Side-Up, I would very much like to understand the Russian, as the film seems to be highly interesting. Here goes your quote:)


One map (point 1:57 to 2:59 sequence seems to show sea level changes in relation to the 37 pyramids, which to my eye's look as if they where set out in alignment with each other in a total grid covering that country!

For quite a number of years it has been known that the Black Sea's appearance dramatically changed around the year 5510 B.C. Due to an earthquake the Dardanelles broke and the salted water of the Mediterranean rushed into the Black Sea, which, a fresh water lake back then, rose by approximately 80 meters within two weeks.

The map shown in the television film closely resembles the map shown by Dr.Schoppe of Hamburg University (which in itself originates from research done by Pitman and Ryan), or even may constitute an animated version of it, in the following paper:

http://www.atlantis-schoppe.de/schoppe.pdf

The author promotes the idea that the civilisation which must have existed along the shores of the fresh water Black Sea was Atlantis. Several points of his paper are quite compelling, but from other sources we know that such a civilisation must have existed, whatever its name.

On one hand there are "geo-economical" arguments pointing to the fact that the shoreline with its three deltas (the Danube, the Don/Dniepr, and the Wolga) as well as the peninsula-like form of Crimea itself will have promoted clustering of population and hence development of coastal cities.

On the other hand, and that is my field of expertise as a linguist, for long the specialists of Indo-European languages (encompassing Germanic, Italic/Roman, Celtic, Greek, Albanian, Armenian, Slavonic, Persian/Iranian and North Indian languages) have argued that the "homeland" of the peoples speaking those languages must have been the Southern plains of Ukraine and Russia. They base their argument for instance on the fact that all or most of those languages share common words for a number of deciduous trees like the willow, the birch etc., a flora which is indigenous to the region.

The "catastrophe" of 5510 B.C. adds an interesting twist to that story. Not only can we with high probability identify the location of the Indo-European homeland, but now we also know why the massive migrations started that ultimately pushed peoples that used to be each other's neighbors and co-speakers of the same language as far away as Ireland and Bangladesh, vastly differentiating this common language's dialects into separate languages (Gaelic and Bengali, respectively).

A consequence of this breakthrough in thinking about the origins of Indo-European civilisation has also been that both Russia and Turkey have started discrete archeological exploration of the Black Sea floor. In Dr.Schoppe's Atlantis article a retrieved bowl is displayed.

Coming back to the Crimean pyramids, it is hence clear that the pyramids predate 5510 B.C. Obviously they may be a lot older than that, just as the Egyptian pyramids probably are.

As for the saurian found in one of the pyramids (at least as far as I have understood the comments and the sources), it may not be too far-fetched to point out that "strange-looking" saurians exist in the East (as on the Komodo islands), and that trade may have brought them, or similar, now extinct animals, there in pre-5510 BC times. Alternatively, cryptozoology strongly argues for the idea that dinosaurs of more formidable size are still among us. This just to qualify the statement that the "pyramids are as old as the dinosaurs".

I am myself highly intrigued by the regular grid-like plan of quite a number of pyramids shown in the film.

Linguistic research has shown that the "pre-Babelian" languages which were dispersed as the consequence of natural catastrophes (such as the "5510 BC catastrophe's" Indo-European languages, and the "9800 B.C. catastrophe's" Nostratic languages from which the Indo-European languages themselves split off, (along with Uralic, Altaic, Semitic, Hamitic and Dravidian languages)) were highly sophisticated, with the highest level of abstract thinking embodied into both the build-up of words and the syntax of sentences.

It is therefore not at all surprising that the pre-5510 BC culture in Crimea laid out their pyramids in such a highly organised fashion.

[jerry]

There have been claims of finds of tracks showing man lived in the age of the dinosaurs , this find although 10 years old has been suppressed. It will be interesting to see someone finds more info to shed more light on this

[Michel Leclerc]

Dear Jerry,

I agree.

But what is "man"? The "many" ages of man, and hence the differing cultures of man as referred to in many mythologies are rendered more and more probable by paleo-anthropological research, especially in its "interventionist" version. There seems to be a strong correlation between "cultural ages" and "human" subtypes, more or less tinkered with by our respected Visitors, or by technologically evolved man himself. The builders of the hexagonal basalt-column structures in the Malaysian/Polynesian area may have been genetically different from us.

In a similar way, the tyrannosaurid dinosaurs did not just yield the T-Rex but a whole bunch of related animals, pre- or postdating the more famous exemplar.

So the question remains open: what type of saurian coexisted with the pre-5510 BC Crimeans, who were definitely humans like we, and hence belong to our linguistic/genetic/cultural frame?

Alternatively, if the saurian found in Crimea conclusively belongs to a period of ancient prehistory, this may indicate that the humans having built those pyramids were a variant of us.

Linguistically speaking, there are strong arguments for stating that most of the world languages we know (those who are interested by their interrelations may have a look at the Russian site "The Tower of Bable"

http://starling.rinet.ru/main.html

) belong to a timeframe of 25,000 years, which remarkably correlates with the chronology of the development of blood types – in the humans we are.

It seems, though, that elements of "Neanderthal" have been preserved in a number of languages belonging to this 25,000-year group, and, consequently, that Neanderthals will have had a form of language which is not alien enough as to not being "inheritable" by an anthropologically different branch on the human tree.

As far as we know, Neanderthals did not build pyramids... or did they?

Regressing like this, we may have to admit that language, building and other technology, cultural ("memic", noospherical) complexity are far and far older than we were and are being taught, and that the time frame in which coexistence of these developed humans with more spectacularly old animal species like the dinosaurians was a fact, lengthens.

Both petroglyphs and glyptic art on monuments in both Americas show a coexistence of Pleistocene and now extinct mammals with anthropologically modern humans (or were they?).