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Bill Ryan
8th September 2012, 12:52
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From http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/09/why-is-the-fbi-keeping-track-of-apple-device-users :

September 5, 2012 by Philip Hodges






A few years ago, FBI agent Christopher Stangl appeared in a video put out by the FBI calling on people with computer science degrees to join them as they were needed now more than ever. In the video posted to Facebook, he said this:

Hello. My name is special agent Chris Stangl of the New York City field office of the FBI. Today more than ever we need individuals with computer science backgrounds to join the FBI. From a special agent that investigates cyber crime or the computer scientist that is embedded in the cyber squad that analyzes malware.

A couple days ago, the “hacktivist” groups Anonymous and Antisec responded by hacking into Stangl’s laptop and finding over 12 million Apple ID’s in a database. Anonymous took 1 million of them and published them on Twitter. The Apple ID’s refer to UDID’s (Unique Device Identifiers). Every iPhone and iPad have one. The hackers also noted that in the agent’s database contained cell phone numbers, usernames, zip codes and addresses of iPhone and iPad users. Some may call this an act of cyberterrorism by Anonymous and Antisec. And maybe it is, and maybe they should be prosecuted for it (if they can be found). But I’d also like to know just what an FBI agent is doing with a database of over 12 million iPhone and iPad users. Neither Agent Stangl nor an FBI spokesman commented on the incident.

They are effectively tracking these people through their Apple devices. Since most people with iPhones carry their phones all the time, it would be very easy to locate these individuals. But Apple users aren’t the only ones being tracked and monitored. Forbes had a piece back in April talking about how law enforcement use cell phone information to track people, and how cell phone companies sell their customers’ information to law enforcement and make millions a year doing so:





[T]he American Civil Liberties Union revealed a trove of documents it had obtained through Freedom of Information Requests to more than 200 police departments around the country. They show a pattern of police tracking cell phone locations and gathering other data like call logs without warrants, using devices that impersonate cell towers to intercept cellular signals, and encouraging officers to refrain from speaking about cell-tracking technology to the public, all detailed in a New York Times story. But at least one document also details the day-to-day business of telecoms’ handing over of data to law enforcement, including a breakdown of every major carrier’s fees for every sort of data request from targeted wiretaps to so-called “tower dumps” that provide information on every user of certain cell towers.

So, law enforcement is taking our tax dollars and buying our private information from our cell phone companies in order to keep track of us.

The FBI’s Apple UDID databases and law enforcement’s tracking of our cell phones are consistent with what the NSA is building out in Utah. They’re building America’s largest data warehouse. Wired.com reported earlier this year that “flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital ‘pocket litter.’”

If you’ve got Facebook and an iPhone, the FBI and local law enforcement likely know everything about you. This may or may not bother you depending on what you’ve said or where you’ve been on the internet or your iPhone. But just remember what our government considers criminal behavior these days.

Anchor
8th September 2012, 13:07
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.

bennycog
8th September 2012, 13:13
making themselves a virtual universe to live in since this virtual one is falling by the way side..
they might need that virtual one to live in, after they have been taken down..

it would be fair to say that they do not need physical surveillence anymore now that technology is on their side...
but they could not use it in a court of law as the information would not have been properly attained.. so it would be fair to say also that it is for a further agenda than to fight crime or to render it into advertising to suit your psycological nature..

could the information tell them how long you could survive in a certain situation ?
could the information give them a more accurate prediction of models on how reactions would take place, in certain events?
why extract information in that primitive way when they could most likely draw on our conciosness or energy field and store that information, it would be much more powerful than an address or telephone number

marique3652
8th September 2012, 13:20
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.

I am glad I have a "stupid" phone. All it does is phone calls and nothing else....but probably there is something incidious with it too....Privacy seems to be a thing of the past...too bad.

SKIBADABOMSKI
8th September 2012, 14:20
Front-lines...

The fact that this information is out there simply implies " yes we are doing it to you and... what are you going to do about it? "

They have already moved on with mastering the multiplying, self governing, bacterial software in our atmosphere. The bacterial part co inlines with what the moon is doing to us all in general. Also we have established that we are riddled with parasites that with frequencies have dumbed us down to a handy level for off world entities to manipulate our whole vision and perspective on life. This also effects the ruling bloodlines as they too can be switched on or off. I dare say they are attacking each other with these old toys turned into new powerful lazy ways.

Maybe showing off and making people dance like puppets on predicted, timely events that have to be played out.

It's seems that the FBI and such are eager to know the whereabouts of a very high % of the 7 billion for purposes of doing the frontline work. These ants over here are getting itchy feet (WHAM) (BLAST) (WHAM) (ZAP!!!) thats them sorted.

Front-lines.

Probably way off but just giving my view in a babbled mix.

Adi
8th September 2012, 15:17
Thinking about this realistically, if the TPTB really wanted to find someone, tracking them down with phones, computers, whatever, they can do this quiet simply. Myself personally, I'am not worried about some agency having my details on there database. My phone company has my details, so does my electricity provider. I understand the point, as to why do they need such vast databases ect. But I'm not worried, this is the society we live in today, people know everyone else's bussiness.

Information about the vast vast majority of people is quiet easy to get to, with patience and persistence.

This is my own feeling and thoughts towards what Bill has posted. They can track me, capture me, kill me whatever, but Ill just come back again, this is just one life of many, many past and many many more to come. By thinking like this, it helps me to cope and understand extremely effectivly. Its all a game, just go along with the flow.

If the FBI wants to collect large amounts of data on you and your neighbor, let them, there just insecure and nervous, they'll get over it some time or other lol.


Enjoy your journey :)

Adi

WhiteFeather
8th September 2012, 15:46
I just recently purchased a dumb phone myself. Texts and Calls and Only $28.00 a month. No Internet or Apple Garbage. I also utilize my recently learned telepathic abilities if i really need to contact someone. : ) Works for me!

gripreaper
8th September 2012, 15:49
This story is just the tip of the iceberg, and just illustrates the little bit of technology mainstream knows about, while ignoring the hidden technology which is 100 years more advanced than this.

The elite have reduced the source of all energy down to it's most basic component, and they understand each megahertz frequency level, and how to manipulate each particle, to combine them, separate them, reduce or enhance them. It matters not to them that we are sentient beings in the universe with souls, for to them, we are just robotic biomass equipment in their large factory they own called earth.

They can seed nano particles into the air, and use certain frequencies to trigger anything they want, from viruses to other aberrant global physical reactions, to mutations and genetic manipulation and disease, to crop failure and weather modification, to psychopathic killers..

They can program certain frequencies to influence the mind in either an individual or a mass group, and can lead societies in whatever direction they want.

They can genetically create creatures in the biosphere with any data set of DNA imprints, to do whatever they want while leaving out certain DNA to have this hybrid species NOT do what they don't want.

So, to have a full database of information on every individual and to be able to collate this information for use to manipulate the masses, is not science fiction or a remote possibility that is "coming" to a future near you, IT IS HERE NOW.

So, while we might say, that's "just the way that things are nowadays" or "I've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, so I'm not worried" or, "I'll just drop off the radar, use an older cell phone, and pay cash for services" does nothing to mitigate or stop the onslaught of a total fascist state.

What is existing and emerging makes George Orwell's "Brave New World" look like kindergarten.

bluestflame
8th September 2012, 16:09
in australia they DO have the law to monitor and store all info shared through electronic devices over the internet

http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2012/08/australian-authorities-gain-power-to.html

"AUGUST 22, 2012

Australian authorities gain power to collect internet records.
Laws passed today will allow authorities to collect and keep Australians' internet records, including their web-browsing history, social media activity and emails.
Attorney-General Nicola Roxon said the laws would help police track cyber-criminals around the globe, and would give authorities the power to find people engaged in forgery, fraud, child pornography, and infringement of copyright and intellectual property.
The laws will also allow Australia to accede to the Council of Europe Convention on Cyber-crime, which has 34 members.
''Cyber-crime is a growing threat that touches all aspects of modern life,'' Ms Roxon said. ''It poses complex policy and law enforcement challenges, partly due to the transnational nature of the internet.''


But Greens communications spokesman Scott Ludlam said the laws went further, and the government had failed to explain why the far-reaching powers were necessary.
''The European treaty doesn't require ongoing collection and retention of communications, but the Australian bill does,'' Senator Ludlam said.
''It also leaves the door open for Australia to assist in prosecutions which could lead to the death penalty overseas.''
The legislation will allow the Australian Federal Police to collaborate with international authorities in seeking Australian communications data under warrants."

interesting they'll say anything to get the laws passed but once in place we have to trust they are gunna stick to the so called criminals

did you read that one about cell phone companies being required by aw to retain records of all sms messages so the authorities can access them ?(will try to locate it )


""There was, of course, no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment... it was even conceivable that [the Thought Police] watched everybody all the time... They could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live... in the assumption that... every movement was scrutinized."
- George Orwell 1947, in 1984"

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.au/Media-releases/Pages/2012/Third%20Quarter/22August2012-Newlawsinthefightagainstcybercrime.aspx

"New laws in the fight against cyber crime
22 August 2012
New legislation has today passed the Senate today that will make it easier for police to track down cyber criminals around the world.
Attorney-General Nicola Roxon said the passage of the legislation will also allow Australia to accede to the Council of Europe Convention on Cybercrime.
"Cyber crime is a growing threat that touches all aspects of modern life. It poses complex policy and law enforcement challenges, partly due to the transnational nature of the internet," Attorney-General Nicola Roxon said.
By acceding to the Convention, Australia joins 34 other nations that have become a party to the Convention, including the United States and Germany. Over 100 nations are also using the Convention as the basis to strengthen their legislation to combat the threat of cybercrime.
"This is good news for fighting crime and will help make it easier for police to track down cyber criminals around the world.
"In particular, this will help combat criminal offences relating to forgery, fraud, child pornography, and infringement of copyright and intellectual property.
"The Convention promotes a coordinated approach to cybercrime by requiring countries to criminalise these computer related offences. The Convention also establishes procedures to make investigations more efficient to improve international cooperation."
The Convention is the first international treaty on crimes committed via the Internet and other computer networks, dealing particularly with computer-related fraud, child pornography and violations of network security."

SKIBADABOMSKI
8th September 2012, 16:25
This story is just the tip of the iceberg, and just illustrates the little bit of technology mainstream knows about, while ignoring the hidden technology which is 100 years more advanced than this.

The elite have reduced the source of all energy down to it's most basic component, and they understand each megahertz frequency level, and how to manipulate each particle, to combine them, separate them, reduce or enhance them. It matters not to them that we are sentient beings in the universe with souls, for to them, we are just robotic biomass equipment in their large factory they own called earth.

They can seed nano particles into the air, and use certain frequencies to trigger anything they want, from viruses to other aberrant global physical reactions, to mutations and genetic manipulation and disease, to crop failure and weather modification, to psychopathic killers..

They can program certain frequencies to influence the mind in either an individual or a mass group, and can lead societies in whatever direction they want.

They can genetically create creatures in the biosphere with any data set of DNA imprints, to do whatever they want while leaving out certain DNA to have this hybrid species NOT do what they don't want.

So, to have a full database of information on every individual and to be able to collate this information for use to manipulate the masses, is not science fiction or a remote possibility that is "coming" to a future near you, IT IS HERE NOW.

So, while we might say, that's "just the way that things are nowadays" or "I've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, so I'm not worried" or, "I'll just drop off the radar, use an older cell phone, and pay cash for services" does nothing to mitigate or stop the onslaught of a total fascist state.

What is existing and emerging makes George Orwell's "Brave New World" look like kindergarten.

You see thats what I was trying to say.. you have a great way with words.

It's a pleasure to read your posts when you post like that.

*my head was nodding in agreement right the way through that post*

bluestflame
8th September 2012, 16:55
"Senator explains threats to internet use
Article posted on Wednesday 27 June 2012
More intrusive laws pass parliament regularly without proper scrutiny and debate, Greens Senator Scott Ludlam says in outlining the state of play of surveillance, data retention by the state, and privacy intrusions. There's no one word which sums up the assaults on our internet rights...but whatever that one word might be, freedom is its antithesis. What do you think?"

http://www.cla.asn.au/0805/index.php/articles/articles/senator-explains-threats-to-internet

"As much as it is the Government's role to promote collective protection against identity theft, online crime and acts of political violence, we also have an expectation of privacy, freedom of expression and freedom from arbitrary acts of state coercion. As the lines between terrorism, civil disobedience and healthy dissent are deliberately blurred, Australia's security agencies and police forces have been deployed against climate change demonstrators, the occupy movement, anti-whaling campaigners and supporters of the WikiLeaks publishing organisation."

and
"The Telecommunications Interception and Access (TIA) Act: This legislation is amended several times a year to expand surveillance powers, to allow interception of electronic communications in the name of protecting computer networks, or in the name of resisting cybercrime or terrorism. The TIA Act annual report showed law enforcement agencies obtained nearly a quarter of a million authorisations for access to telecommunications information in 2010-11"

and

"Cybercrime Bill 2011: currently before the Senate. Proposes to reduce the threshold for wiretaps and requires ongoing collection and retention of specific communications data. Allows for Australia to assist in prosecutions which could lead to the death penalty overseas"

and

"Data retention: Attorney-General Nicola Roxon has called for an inquiry into reforms of security legislation to boost ASIO's powers again, and require all ISPs and phone companies to collect and store all data on their users for up to two years. All data, for all Australians, for years: every article you read online, detailed locational data collected by your phone, everyone you come into contact with, all your commercial information. Surveillance overreach doesn't come much more audacious than this

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/sites/default/files/natsecinquiry.pdf

CdnSirian
8th September 2012, 17:26
"Just a day after the alleged leak of 12million Apple UDID's, both Apple and FBI have denied the story that Anonymous, a global hacking community, gained access to the files by hacking into an FBI laptop through a Java vulnerability. Earlier this morning the FBI claimed that, even though the agent cited in Anonymous's story is an actual FBI operative, neither he nor anyone else in the agency has or has had access to Apple device information. This afternoon Apple followed up on the FBI's statement, with an unidentified Apple representative claiming that, 'The FBI has not requested this information from Apple, nor have we provided it to the FBI or any organization.' It should also be noted that while the hackers claim to have accessed 12 million UDID's, only 1 million were publicly released. The Apple representative who made the previous statements also said that, 'Apple has replaced the types of identifiers the hackers appear to have gotten and will be discontinuing their use.' Even though neither Anonymous nor the FBI/APPLE will admit where the data actually came from, it does appear that at least some of the leaked UDID's are legit and can be tied back to current, privately owned devices. So far no information besides the devices UDID, DevToken ID, and device name has been released, however the original hackers claimed that some devices were tied to details as exact as phone numbers and billing addresses." from: http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/09/05/2212219/apple-denies-fbi-had-access-to-udids

"ReadWriteWeb makes the case that Apple should stop censoring submissions to the App Store. The company made headlines last week for banning an app showing the locations of drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. The article says Apple should restrict its bans to apps that have terrible functionality or a poor UI, and 'get out of the business of censorship.' Quoting: 'Last year in Syria, antigovernment activists began using an iPhone app to disseminate news, maps, photos and videos about the conflict in a country that doesn't exactly rank highly for its press freedom. Mobile tech in the hands of Syrian dissidents proved enough of a nuisance that the government banned the iPhone in late 2011, presumably to quash content that the regime found, um, objectionable. This example raises a few questions. First, why are pins on a map more objectionable than photos and video clips from a war zone? Why does content that effectively agitates for one government to be overthrown make the cut, while content that may make another government look bad (depending on one's own perspective) doesn't? Is Apple taking sides in international conflicts? Perhaps more disturbing is the notion that, were Apple to apply these standards consistently, apps like the one used by Syrian dissidents — and perhaps some news apps — would be barred from the App Store as well.'" from: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/09/05/2035243/why-apple-should-stop-censoring-apps

Yet those are not the stories I'm looking for...still looking...well darn I have to give up for now. I probably read it here on Avalon - about the next generation of iPhones being disable ready by law enforcement. You're at a rally of some kind and click - everybody's smart phone goes off. No filming the real news, etc.

Sorry I read so much and can't always back track. IF the FBI actually have all this data, it would indeed lend to knowing who is where and whether or not to turn off all the phones when s**t happens.

We've been given toys that are much more fun for the controllers than for us! And Apple has done its part very well.

astrid
8th September 2012, 17:36
It all goes to show you how very afraid they must be of us

Frankly though we are all heading into a world wHere
telepathy will be the new iPhone .. So bottom line is
You will have no where to hide thoughts acts or deeds wise

Yes "they " are behaving badly ( again) but big picture
wise we all have to learn to live more transparently anyways
who else is going to set that example ?

Stay out of the fear of " them" doing things to you
and live your life with integrity and from your authentic
self and your souls purpose.

We are the leaders here not the victims

Flash
8th September 2012, 17:39
I travel a bit this summer and was keeping posted with my daughter through facebook (of course, facebook..... directly into the three letters)

Everytime I would change place, Facebook would tell me they do not recognize the origin of my log on and to give the security identification. Then I could use facebook. They new all summer were I went, how cheap/expensive the places, the trajects I followed, all this because I wanted to chat with my facebook daughter.

Next time, we will find another solution for sure. However, once, being tracked like this saved me from a false accusation and court time in the USA (I could prove through the tracking that the accusation did not hold). So now, when in US, I make sure I am traceable everywhere, too many people are trying to make money out of suing people for no reasons, mostly when they are foreigner (if condemned, we may lose our right to enter the US quite easily, so instead of being sued, tourists pay hefty amount to get rid of those thiefts. The only problem was that that person who try to put vandalism to her car that she wanted to get rid of on my back did not know that, despite my accent, I knew very well how USA works legally and would manage to have the legal system on my side. Other tourists pay 1-2,000$ - what she was asking - in cash).

However, I am very aware that my profile can be very easily deduce from my activities and accepted this, not having anything to hide. However, I do think it is not fine, and should not be like this.

bluestflame
8th September 2012, 17:41
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49483-Police-may-block-mobile-devices-via-Apple

apple app that allows police to block iphones

blufire
8th September 2012, 19:03
gripreaper, I agree wholeheartedly with your wise thoughts in this post. The one train of thought that does not correspond with my current very deep rabbit hole I have been sitting in for a couple months is the idea that the ‘fascist state’ the controllers are herding us toward is a bad, negative or hurtful existence.

Ever since Bill started his “ultimate hypothesis” thread and specifically the comments on the controllers being responsible for the continuance of the human genome I can not shake this deep gut feeling that I (we) have been viewing the actions of the controllers, tptb, cabal (whoever) from a very naïve, immature, selfish and unintelligent position.

Through all the years of videos, research, books, interviews, websites, and conspiracy positions the same thought always is nagging in the back of my mind is WHY? Why would ‘they’ be so destructive and devastating to humanity and our planet? How can and why would ‘they’ be so heartless and merciless to the people, animals, water, air and plant life on the planet?

Why? Because their overall goal and ultimate responsibility placed on ‘them’ thousands of years and generations ago is to save and continue the unique humanoid genomes on this planet along with the other genomes required and needed to support and sustain this ever evolving genome.

I am coming to believe strongly that The Controllers are (and have been for a millennia) preparing, planning, executing and bracing for EVERY contingency that the humanoid genome on this planet is, has and may be facing in the very near future (possibly months now) and future events.

I believe that their plans and responsibility are unfathomably too profound, layered and complicated for us to begin to accept let alone understand.

We, as a humanity, come from a place of “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” . . . . . The Controllers, I am coming to believe and understand, are coming from the position that “The needs of few outweigh the needs of the many”.

So where does this leave ‘us many’?

I believe this has the potential for leaving us at a New Beginning that is hopeful, beautiful and abundant . . . . it maybe should start with the understanding of why The Controllers are doing the many things they are doing . . . . which ultimately is doing whatever they need to do to preserve the humanoid genome.





This story is just the tip of the iceberg, and just illustrates the little bit of technology mainstream knows about, while ignoring the hidden technology which is 100 years more advanced than this.

The elite have reduced the source of all energy down to it's most basic component, and they understand each megahertz frequency level, and how to manipulate each particle, to combine them, separate them, reduce or enhance them. It matters not to them that we are sentient beings in the universe with souls, for to them, we are just robotic biomass equipment in their large factory they own called earth.

They can seed nano particles into the air, and use certain frequencies to trigger anything they want, from viruses to other aberrant global physical reactions, to mutations and genetic manipulation and disease, to crop failure and weather modification, to psychopathic killers..

They can program certain frequencies to influence the mind in either an individual or a mass group, and can lead societies in whatever direction they want.

They can genetically create creatures in the biosphere with any data set of DNA imprints, to do whatever they want while leaving out certain DNA to have this hybrid species NOT do what they don't want.

So, to have a full database of information on every individual and to be able to collate this information for use to manipulate the masses, is not science fiction or a remote possibility that is "coming" to a future near you, IT IS HERE NOW.

So, while we might say, that's "just the way that things are nowadays" or "I've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, so I'm not worried" or, "I'll just drop off the radar, use an older cell phone, and pay cash for services" does nothing to mitigate or stop the onslaught of a total fascist state.

What is existing and emerging makes George Orwell's "Brave New World" look like kindergarten.

blufire
8th September 2012, 20:48
Astrid I would like to use your post to stir up a few thoughts that may led us down a different path of viewing current events . . . this is not a personal thing toward you but your post will help maybe start different concepts or direction.


It all goes to show you how very afraid they must be of us

Afraid? How could a group that has been foundationally formed for thousands of years that has an extremely defined plan and responsibility in place be afraid of us? What have we done that would instill any amount of fear or concern?

Like gripreaper, I believe, they simply use current technology to gather well informed information on current trends and direction of humanity as a whole . . . they use the information to tweak the path as needed.


Frankly though we are all heading into a world wHere telepathy will be the new iPhone .. So bottom line is You will have no where to hide thoughts acts or deeds wise

Realistically how many years and generations will it be before we are fully telepathic . . .what should we (the many) be doing during the time it takes us to evolve to this point.


Yes "they " are behaving badly ( again) but big picture wise we all have to learn to live more transparently anyways who else is going to set that example ?

I’m always curious why we always feel like ‘they’ are out to get us or behaving badly toward us . . . why do we go to this particular place or emotion? How is the gathering of this information actually doing us harm? Do I particularly like to feel my privacy is being invaded? No of course not. But, ‘they' provide us with the access to this new technology . . . .with the rewards come other circumstances. I can choose whether or not to use the newest latest greatest technology, but ultimately the new technology will continue to lead us to a new future whether I use it or not. I will have to adapt one way or the other. BUT! The biggest question is where will this new technology and ‘their’ manipulation of it lead us?


Stay out of the fear of " them" doing things to you and live your life with integrity and from your authentic self and your souls purpose.

Yes! I agree. I feel we should try to come from a place of trying to understand why they are doing the things they do from their perspective and mission. Throw out our current philosophies and conjecture which have been largely been based from a place of suspicion and fear.


We are the leaders here not the victims

I don’t think we are the leaders yet . . . . and most I believe are coming from a place of feeling victimized and probably will remain in this place many more years to come, even most I’m concerned right here on Avalon . . . . . And leadership is always a very precarious lonely place.



It all goes to show you how very afraid they must be of us

Frankly though we are all heading into a world wHere
telepathy will be the new iPhone .. So bottom line is
You will have no where to hide thoughts acts or deeds wise

Yes "they " are behaving badly ( again) but big picture
wise we all have to learn to live more transparently anyways
who else is going to set that example ?

Stay out of the fear of " them" doing things to you
and live your life with integrity and from your authentic
self and your souls purpose.

We are the leaders here not the victims

gripreaper
8th September 2012, 21:26
Bluefire, I'm in total agreement with your analysis of the situation, with one caveat.


Why? Because their overall goal and ultimate responsibility placed on ‘them’ thousands of years and generations ago is to save and continue the unique humanoid genomes on this planet along with the other genomes required and needed to support and sustain this ever evolving genome.

I don't understand your thesis that preserving the genome was "placed" on them. By whom? Some Galactic Council that wanted a planet of biodiversity which would be steered and governed by and Archonic overlord? In addition, the genome has devolved over millennium due to the manipulation by these overlords.


I am coming to believe strongly that The Controllers are (and have been for a millennia) preparing, planning, executing and bracing for EVERY contingency that the humanoid genome on this planet is, has and may be facing in the very near future (possibly months now) and future events.

I totally agree that they are covering every contingency and that the survival of the genome is important to them, although I don't think it is by "decree" from anyone, but just to preserve their prime assets for their personal corporatocracy to survive for their own nefarious narcissistic and hedonistic agenda.


So where does this leave ‘us many’?

I believe this has the potential for leaving us at a New Beginning that is hopeful, beautiful and abundant . . . . it maybe should start with the understanding of why The Controllers are doing the many things they are doing . . . . which ultimately is doing whatever they need to do to preserve the humanoid genome.

Yes, there is potential for a beautiful and abundant future, but it will not come from the controllers as long as they consider themselves as self appointed god's over the genome, which they consider as a resource for their own subjective use to discard or expand at their whim

May I postulate that, as others have stated in this thread, that the sentience of the human genome to be capable of states of consciousness far superior to any animalistic nature, which the controllers are stuck in, renders the possibility of a glorious future, due to the expansion of consciousness and the restoration of the unified brain and the energetic central column in the astral energetic body, by US.

It is up to us to change the dynamic of the controller/slave relationship and to ascend beyond dualities such as good/evil, and light and dark. It is within the context of this unity that we can see other outcomes and other connections which do not include hierarchical pyramid structures of power and divisiveness for control.

Magnus
8th September 2012, 22:02
Are any of you surprised that Apple / iPhone / iPad couldn't be trusted? I'm not!

Tangri
8th September 2012, 22:17
Who is going to watch for watchers?
This is the 21st century's question
Since I phone is expensive than other phones they can track only certain part of the society, with this method. They can use your daughter's, son's, your friends' face book, tweeter account to track using face recognizer . Even background faces (by standard people's ) can be get caught.

Chuck
8th September 2012, 22:28
This story is just the tip of the iceberg, and just illustrates the little bit of technology mainstream knows about, while ignoring the hidden technology which is 100 years more advanced than this.

The elite have reduced the source of all energy down to it's most basic component, and they understand each megahertz frequency level, and how to manipulate each particle, to combine them, separate them, reduce or enhance them. It matters not to them that we are sentient beings in the universe with souls, for to them, we are just robotic biomass equipment in their large factory they own called earth.

They can seed nano particles into the air, and use certain frequencies to trigger anything they want, from viruses to other aberrant global physical reactions, to mutations and genetic manipulation and disease, to crop failure and weather modification, to psychopathic killers..

They can program certain frequencies to influence the mind in either an individual or a mass group, and can lead societies in whatever direction they want.

They can genetically create creatures in the biosphere with any data set of DNA imprints, to do whatever they want while leaving out certain DNA to have this hybrid species NOT do what they don't want.

So, to have a full database of information on every individual and to be able to collate this information for use to manipulate the masses, is not science fiction or a remote possibility that is "coming" to a future near you, IT IS HERE NOW.

So, while we might say, that's "just the way that things are nowadays" or "I've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, so I'm not worried" or, "I'll just drop off the radar, use an older cell phone, and pay cash for services" does nothing to mitigate or stop the onslaught of a total fascist state.

What is existing and emerging makes George Orwell's "Brave New World" look like kindergarten.


Hello gripreaper, thank you for your post. I do not know if what you wrote is true. I am merely a human on this pilgrimage we call life… trying to understand the nature of reality for over 5 decades in this carbon body. I don’t have any insider information nor know any whistle blower personally. Just a mushroom in the dark…

Maybe what you write is true… but I have to ask, if it is… then why continue on with this experiment called humanity? If they can control every part of our life, to the degree that you propose… then it is no longer an experiment … there is no longer any potential for unfolding our divine heritage. IT IS FINISHED. Our neurons might as well be hard wired to each other without the synaptic cleft that still offers potentials according to the statistical distribution of hormones and neurotransmitters residing there. If they control us to that degree, then the end result is not a far gone conclusion… turn down the king, it’s just a matter of time.

Rather, it might be dark… but we still have control on how we think. We still have free will over our thoughts… though many here will argue that. As long as we do… nurture it. Turn off the TV, eat well. Spend long hours in contemplation… feel the sun and the wind against your cheek and be grateful for nature. Keep your imagination and creativity. Hold true to your will. Be adaptive and resourceful. These will preserve you… not university degrees, good job, high IQ, or information on the illuminati. Resist stupid rules, predictable patterns, rituals, any push to conform or act in a “civilized manner”.

… Chuck (God experiencing being a mushroom in the dark and writing to himself mostly, not to gripreaper)

gripreaper
8th September 2012, 22:52
Maybe what you write is true… but I have to ask, if it is… then why continue on with this experiment called humanity? If they can control every part of our life, to the degree that you propose… then it is no longer an experiment … there is no longer any potential for unfolding our divine heritage. IT IS FINISHED. Our neurons might as well be hard wired to each other without the synaptic cleft that still offers potentials according to the statistical distribution of hormones and neurotransmitters residing there. If they control us to that degree, then the end result is not a far gone conclusion… turn down the king, it’s just a matter of time.

It is true, but it is only one side of the polarized state of consciousness within the electromagnetic spectrum of consciousness. I've highlighted the other aspects in another post, but in the context of this thread and the OP, I only mentioned the one side in my initial reply. Further down I wrote:

It is up to us to change the dynamic of the controller/slave relationship and to ascend beyond dualities such as good/evil, and light and dark. It is within the context of this unity that we can see other outcomes and other connections which do not include hierarchical pyramid structures of power and divisiveness for control.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49566-Why-is-the-FBI-Keeping-Track-of-Apple-Device-Users&p=550721#post550721


Rather, it might be dark… but we still have control on how we think. We still have free will over our thoughts… though many here will argue that. As long as we do… nurture it. Turn off the TV, eat well. Spend long hours in contemplation… feel the sun and the wind against your cheek and be grateful for nature. Keep your imagination and creativity. Hold true to your will. Be adaptive and resourceful. These will preserve you… not university degrees, good job, high IQ, or information on the illuminati. Resist stupid rules, predictable patterns, rituals, any push to conform or act in a “civilized manner”.

This is part of the other side of duality you are bringing forward. I do feel we hold our destiny in our hands and are not part of some absolute deterministic destiny, and we get to choose.

Choose wisely.

shadowstalker
9th September 2012, 00:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaHUpWuqNHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaHUpWuqNHY

Billy
9th September 2012, 00:26
Little gems hidden amongst the trash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_%28Nineteen_Eighty-Four%29

The worldwide reality television show Big Brother is based on the novel's concept of people being under constant surveillance. In 2000, after the U.S. version of the CBS program "Big Brother" premiered, the Estate of George Orwell sued CBS and its production company "Orwell Productions, Inc." in federal court in Chicago for copyright and trademark infringement. The case was Estate of Orwell v. CBS, 00-c-5034 (ND Ill). On the eve of trial, the case settled worldwide to the parties' "mutual satisfaction"; the amount that CBS paid to the Orwell Estate was not disclosed. CBS had not asked the Estate for permission. Under current laws the novel will remain under copyright protection until 2020 in the European Union and until 2044 in the United States.

The iconic image of Big Brother (played by David Graham) played a key role in Apple's 1984 television commercial introducing the Macintosh.[5][6] The Orwell Estate viewed the Apple commercial as a copyright infringement, and sent a cease-and-desist letter to Apple and its advertising agency. The commercial was never televised again.[7]

The December 2002 issue of Gear magazine featured a story about technologies and trends that could violate personal privacy moving society closer to a "Big Brother" state and utilised a recreation of the movie poster from the film version of 1984 created by Dallmeierart.com.[8]

In 2011, media analyst and political activist Mark Dice published a non-fiction book titled Big Brother: The Orwellian Nightmare Come True which analyses the parallels between elements of the storyline in Nineteen Eighty-Four, and current government programs, technology, and cultural trends.[9]


Peace

RunningDeer
9th September 2012, 00:45
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.

I am glad I have a "stupid" phone. All it does is phone calls and nothing else....but probably there is something incidious with it too....Privacy seems to be a thing of the past...too bad.

Me too. I've got a stupid phone. I use it infrequently and it costs me $25 a year, not a month, to refill. They roll over the unused minutes from the prior year. (T-mobile plan.)

observer
9th September 2012, 13:14
Click-on forwarding icon to see content of gripreaper's comment #8


Click-on forwarding icon to see content of gripreaper's comment #18.

I'm bumping gripreaper's two comments (above) because, I tend to agree regularly with his observations throughout the Forum. I go one step further with my interpretations.

If one looks at all the evidence.... attempts to paint a 'big picture' using all the fragments of evidence now available to us.... one conclusion, which makes more sense than all others, is FOOD.

This particular third density reality, by all appearances, looks very much like a Farming Operation.

The subject of this thread, being just one more example of how this is being manipulated....

Amysenthia
9th September 2012, 17:06
The basic idea of the FBI having this info at first gives the knee jerk reaction like, "there goes some more personal privacy". Truthfully though, I won't be losing any sleep over it. We are tracked as a population in every way. Every time you use your debit card, the cameras on every street corner, any online shopping, etc. If I ever worried about them finding me through my phone I will just set it down and walk away.

My thought is that they probably want statistics on who, like myself, was willing to pay $850.00 for a product that does not deliver the service that it says that it will. I know everytime I ask SIRI for something I get the wrong info, or it just says "I really sorry I can't help you right now". At this point I never use it other than party amusement to ask it stupid stuff just to see what it says. If the FBI wants to know anything about me maybe they will ask SIRI and I am sure they will get incorrect info.

CdnSirian
9th September 2012, 18:47
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49483-Police-may-block-mobile-devices-via-Apple

apple app that allows police to block iphones

Thanks! At least my brain retained an inkling that I might have read it here...

CdnSirian
9th September 2012, 18:55
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.



I am glad I have a "stupid" phone. All it does is phone calls and nothing else....but probably there is something incidious with it too....Privacy seems to be a thing of the past...too bad.

Me too. I've got a stupid phone. I use it infrequently and it costs me $25 a year, not a month, to refill. They roll over the unused minutes from the prior year. (T-mobile plan.)

Whoa! What's the name of that plan? I'm currently with Sprint but have out-lived the 2 yr plan...

Tangri
9th September 2012, 19:29
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.

I am glad I have a "stupid" phone. All it does is phone calls and nothing else....but probably there is something incidious with it too....Privacy seems to be a thing of the past...too bad.

Me too. I've got a stupid phone. I use it infrequently and it costs me $25 a year, not a month, to refill. They roll over the unused minutes from the prior year. (T-mobile plan.)

Maybe there is little miscalculation with that price.

RunningDeer
9th September 2012, 19:36
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.



I am glad I have a "stupid" phone. All it does is phone calls and nothing else....but probably there is something incidious with it too....Privacy seems to be a thing of the past...too bad.

Me too. I've got a stupid phone. I use it infrequently and it costs me $25 a year, not a month, to refill. They roll over the unused minutes from the prior year. (T-mobile plan.)

Whoa! What's the name of that plan? I'm currently with Sprint but have out-lived the 2 yr plan...

Hi CdnSirian,

I don't know if it has a name. I've had it since at least 2002. The only obligation is to purchase any time minutes at least once a year or it will terminate. You can order as little as $5 worth. And they'll roll over all minutes. I'm not up on the names of plans, but it sounds like the plans that have renewable minutes, though I could be wrong. That's essentially what I'm doing.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

RunningDeer
9th September 2012, 19:51
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.

I am glad I have a "stupid" phone. All it does is phone calls and nothing else....but probably there is something incidious with it too....Privacy seems to be a thing of the past...too bad.

Me too. I've got a stupid phone. I use it infrequently and it costs me $25 a year, not a month, to refill. They roll over the unused minutes from the prior year. (T-mobile plan.)

Maybe there is little miscalculation with that price.


Maybe there is little miscalculation with that price.

Absolutely NOT a miscalculation. In fact for the last several years, I've only paid $15 a year, NOT, a month. I have a small business and do my own taxes. I know what I am talking about. I keep my receipts.

Levent tonga on forums, it's hard to always understand tone and intention, this is one of those times for me. If you are implying that I am exaggerating on such a silly thing as a phone bill, then I'd suggest that you use the ignore button on me.

I'm one of those people that live like a millionaire with very little. It begins with research, tenacity and action. It's as simple as that.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Paul
9th September 2012, 20:02
I don't know if it has a name. I've had it since at least 2002. The only obligation is to purchase any time minutes at least once a year or it will terminate. You can order as little as $5 worth. And they'll roll over all minutes. I'm not up on the names of plans, but it sounds like the plans that have renewable minutes, though I could be wrong. That's essentially what I'm doing.
I have the same T-Mobile plan. I spend about $10/year for my cell phone. It is their "Pay As You Go" plan, not a contract. I bought 1000 minutes one time, when I started this, four years ago, with a cheap Samsung phone I bought at Wal*Mart. This made me a Gold Member, giving me a year between required refill times to keep my minutes rolling over, and a 10% discount on the 10 cents/minute charge.

One does have to be careful to not miss the annual refill, by even a few minutes, or else all one's saved minutes evaporate.

observer
9th September 2012, 20:08
:offtopic:



Whoa! What's the name of that plan? I'm currently with Sprint but have out-lived the 2 yr plan...

I'm with AT&T on a very similar plan, CdnSirian.

Mine expires every three months unless I put more $'s into it. Any outstanding balance than rolls-forward. AT&T calls it a 'Go Phone'. It is a 'pay as you go' plan. Most of the carriers have a similar plan. There are disadvantages, especially if you use your phone often.

I spend about $8.00/month, because I use my phone more than WhiteCrowBlackDeer uses hers. I only use my phone to contact individuals with whom I work, and then, only rarely.

:focus:

I'm certain your phone is still 'traceable' using this plan. There are so many ways they can track an individual if they really want to get them.


Ez-pass
Any purchase with a credit card.
The RFI tag in the packaging of your most recent purchase each time it passes through an RFI detector.
Your grocery store 'discount' card.
In my State (it is rumored) , my commercial driver's license even has an RFI strip imbedded (there is some sort of strip in my CDL that no one can explain)


These and many more methods are all information available to the NSA.

RunningDeer
9th September 2012, 20:12
I don't know if it has a name. I've had it since at least 2002. The only obligation is to purchase any time minutes at least once a year or it will terminate. You can order as little as $5 worth. And they'll roll over all minutes. I'm not up on the names of plans, but it sounds like the plans that have renewable minutes, though I could be wrong. That's essentially what I'm doing.
I have the same T-Mobile plan. I spend about $10/year for my cell phone. It is their "Pay As You Go" plan, not a contract. I bought 1000 minutes one time, when I started this, four years ago, with a cheap Samsung phone I bought at Wal*Mart. This made me a Gold Member, giving me a year between required refill times to keep my minutes rolling over, and a 10% discount on the 10 cents/minute charge.

One does have to be careful to not miss the annual refill, by even a few minutes, or else all one's saved minutes evaporate.

Thank you posting this information, Paul. I've gone as low as $5 too because I had so many minutes saved up. I mark my calendar two weeks before the due date each year just to make sure I don't miss it. I'll add your information to "my file" for Samsung/Wal*Mart. :wave:

Mozart
9th September 2012, 20:59
EFFF you, FBI!

Nanoo Nanoo
9th September 2012, 21:35
DO NOT BUY APPLE! ITS THE MOST SOCIALLY DEBILITATING DEVICE ON THE PLANET! ugh

I have one rule at my home. CHECK YOUR APPLE AT THE DOOR!

have a look at the back end apps in your apple device then look at what they can do. They can actually change and manipulate the info on your computer as they wish,,and thats just the start. Most tech these days does this i know but apple have brought it to a new level.

N
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enfoldedblue
9th September 2012, 22:31
They definitely want everyone to have one. Up until a few months ago I had an old Nokia. At one point I drove over it after putting it in the roof when putting my son in his seat. I just taped it up and continued to use it for another 2 years. However it was finally getting to be a problem as people were starting to not be able to hear me. I was paying $30 a month prepaid. Then ph company I'm with calls me up and offers to give me an android free and a lot more value for my $30 a month (on 2 year plan of course). Well I took the offer....


But what really shocked me was that when I got the phone and went to use it...I HAD TO AGREE TO SOME GOOGLE TRACKING APP...before I could even see a key pad. SO basically if I didn't agree to the google terms I could not use the phone!!!!

At first I was going to send it back...but then I decided to choose not to enter into the paranoid mindset (I know very well how that mindset opens us up to all kind of negative energy), and decided to choose love and trust, as I personaly have nothing to hide and like to be transparent.

But for sure big brother is a reality!

Rantaak
10th September 2012, 01:27
I want them to know everything about me, because I have nothing to be afraid of.

They need to know what they're up against.

wynderer
10th September 2012, 01:37
DUH -- 'they' already have all kinds of data/info on all of us

i personally know that i, me, who i am, is not contained in the data they gather

Bill, is this the best you can do as a 'leader'?



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From http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/09/why-is-the-fbi-keeping-track-of-apple-device-users :

September 5, 2012 by Philip Hodges






A few years ago, FBI agent Christopher Stangl appeared in a video put out by the FBI calling on people with computer science degrees to join them as they were needed now more than ever. In the video posted to Facebook, he said this:

Hello. My name is special agent Chris Stangl of the New York City field office of the FBI. Today more than ever we need individuals with computer science backgrounds to join the FBI. From a special agent that investigates cyber crime or the computer scientist that is embedded in the cyber squad that analyzes malware.

A couple days ago, the “hacktivist” groups Anonymous and Antisec responded by hacking into Stangl’s laptop and finding over 12 million Apple ID’s in a database. Anonymous took 1 million of them and published them on Twitter. The Apple ID’s refer to UDID’s (Unique Device Identifiers). Every iPhone and iPad have one. The hackers also noted that in the agent’s database contained cell phone numbers, usernames, zip codes and addresses of iPhone and iPad users. Some may call this an act of cyberterrorism by Anonymous and Antisec. And maybe it is, and maybe they should be prosecuted for it (if they can be found). But I’d also like to know just what an FBI agent is doing with a database of over 12 million iPhone and iPad users. Neither Agent Stangl nor an FBI spokesman commented on the incident.

They are effectively tracking these people through their Apple devices. Since most people with iPhones carry their phones all the time, it would be very easy to locate these individuals. But Apple users aren’t the only ones being tracked and monitored. Forbes had a piece back in April talking about how law enforcement use cell phone information to track people, and how cell phone companies sell their customers’ information to law enforcement and make millions a year doing so:





[T]he American Civil Liberties Union revealed a trove of documents it had obtained through Freedom of Information Requests to more than 200 police departments around the country. They show a pattern of police tracking cell phone locations and gathering other data like call logs without warrants, using devices that impersonate cell towers to intercept cellular signals, and encouraging officers to refrain from speaking about cell-tracking technology to the public, all detailed in a New York Times story. But at least one document also details the day-to-day business of telecoms’ handing over of data to law enforcement, including a breakdown of every major carrier’s fees for every sort of data request from targeted wiretaps to so-called “tower dumps” that provide information on every user of certain cell towers.

So, law enforcement is taking our tax dollars and buying our private information from our cell phone companies in order to keep track of us.

The FBI’s Apple UDID databases and law enforcement’s tracking of our cell phones are consistent with what the NSA is building out in Utah. They’re building America’s largest data warehouse. Wired.com reported earlier this year that “flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital ‘pocket litter.’”

If you’ve got Facebook and an iPhone, the FBI and local law enforcement likely know everything about you. This may or may not bother you depending on what you’ve said or where you’ve been on the internet or your iPhone. But just remember what our government considers criminal behavior these days.

norman
10th September 2012, 01:54
Bill, is this the best you can do as a 'leader'?





I think it's the fact that it's the FBI ( a ground level squad with the 'legit' power to trace and arrest people and be fully open about it if they want to be ) that's the point here.

We all know there are very highly hushed levels of watching but there is always a limit to how much they can "publicly" act upon that stuff.

I've just spent far too long going through my browser history looking for a link to something I read recently about a team of computer scientists publishing that they have found several holes on the Android OS too. They created a software that could bypass the 'permission' system of access to important data and levels of control of the devices. They have asked for a response from 3 or 4 manufacturesrs but only one has replied yet.

gripreaper
10th September 2012, 06:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE&feature=player_embedded

Bill Ryan
10th September 2012, 12:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE&feature=player_embedded

Bumping this very important video.

From the YouTube text:




The filmmaker Laura Poitras profiles William Binney, a 32-year veteran of the National Security Agency who helped design a top-secret program he says is broadly collecting Americans' personal data.

wynderer wrote:



Bill, is this the best you can do as a 'leader'?

A Leader's job is to show people where and when to look over their shoulder, as well as to guide them in which direction to travel.

More specifically, there are people joining this forum every day (and visiting it for the first time) to whom this information is new. It's our job to keep people exactly informed. I'm wondering how many viewers have seen the video above -- for example.

778 neighbour of some guy
10th September 2012, 12:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE&feature=player_embedded

Thanks Grip, very interesting guy

just posted two longer videos of mr Binney in General.

Regards

Ed

Paul
10th September 2012, 13:13
The filmmaker Laura Poitras profiles William Binney, a 32-year veteran of the National Security Agency who helped design a top-secret program he says is broadly collecting Americans' personal data.
Managing that much data cannot be done quickly enough when using traditional disk-based DBMS (database management systems), nor can it be done on networked systems.

That's why they needed computers that could apply thousands of CPUs, running on a single memory image of tens of terabytes, enough to hold say 100,000 bytes of information on 100 million people, cross indexing and correlating on thousands of parallel threads, all at once, all data available to all CPUs at main memory speeds, with massively parallel access and locking.

That's the sort of computer I was working on, near the end of my career at Silicon Graphics, for a large unnamed domestic government customer. We were developing the hardware, using Intel CPUs, and the software, including patches for the Linux kernel which are in the main line kernels now, for such a system. This would have been circa 2007.

Simonm
10th September 2012, 16:37
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.

I am glad I have a "stupid" phone. All it does is phone calls and nothing else....but probably there is something incidious with it too....Privacy seems to be a thing of the past...too bad.

Me too. I've got a stupid phone. I use it infrequently and it costs me $25 a year, not a month, to refill. They roll over the unused minutes from the prior year. (T-mobile plan.)

This is the only way for an individual not to be tracked. ANY phone, not just iPhone or android can be tracked. If you have an account then you can be tracked with ease!

RunningDeer
10th September 2012, 17:00
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.

I am glad I have a "stupid" phone. All it does is phone calls and nothing else....but probably there is something incidious with it too....Privacy seems to be a thing of the past...too bad.

Me too. I've got a stupid phone. I use it infrequently and it costs me $25 a year, not a month, to refill. They roll over the unused minutes from the prior year. (T-mobile plan.)

This is the only way for an individual not to be tracked. ANY phone, not just iPhone or android can be tracked. If you have an account then you can be tracked with ease!
Hello Simonm,

Thank you for the update. I have a "stupid phone" because it's one more way not to get sucked into the latest must have gadget and financial commitment that I once thought was cool.

Well that, and due to the economy, I had to pick up a part-time job. Soon after, it was evident why there were so few applicants. Phone booths.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer :peep:

PS Any one need a job? How about a slightly used costume for free?


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/cartoon%20and%20silly/images-2.jpg

amandapoet
11th September 2012, 00:18
I want them to know everything about me, because I have nothing to be afraid of.

They need to know what they're up against.
Totally agree, I keep my info pretty public because I have nothing to hide from the "public", seriously
I'd be flattered if anyone found me interesting enough to investigate ....lol

Simonm
11th September 2012, 09:37
Though this one revealed the data on Apple gear, I imagine there are similar data sets for other brands of smartphone. Lots of these modern devices contain GPS systems and can transmit location data to very accurate levels (which side of the road you are on etc). I don't put it past the closed source vendors to have remote control options for covert shenanigans.

I am glad I have a "stupid" phone. All it does is phone calls and nothing else....but probably there is something incidious with it too....Privacy seems to be a thing of the past...too bad.

Me too. I've got a stupid phone. I use it infrequently and it costs me $25 a year, not a month, to refill. They roll over the unused minutes from the prior year. (T-mobile plan.)

This is the only way for an individual not to be tracked. ANY phone, not just iPhone or android can be tracked. If you have an account then you can be tracked with ease!
Hello Simonm,

Thank you for the update. I have a "stupid phone" because it's one more way not to get sucked into the latest must have gadget and financial commitment that I once thought was cool.

Well that, and due to the economy, I had to pick up a part-time job. Soon after, it was evident why there were so few applicants. Phone booths.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer :peep:

PS Any one need a job? How about a slightly used costume for free?


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/cartoon%20and%20silly/images-2.jpg

Nothing wrong with basic phones (stupid as you term it :) ) they do what they say on the wrapper. Make calls, txt's etc. I do have an iPhone, but only because I have a Mac and it syncs with my work schedules and tasks etc with minimum fuss. I know that they can be tracked, but as I said so can anyone who has an account. I don't store personal details on there, so minimum damage if someone gets the data to track / hack it etc. Lets face it, a persons purse / wallet can have them tracked with the various chips on credit cards these days.

Not sure the suit would look good on my fat arse :)

blufire
11th September 2012, 14:51
I would like to propose a hypothetical or perhaps play a bit of the devil’s advocate with the following question . . . . .

If you could know within a comfortable percentage that the information the alphabet agencies gather will be used to the benefit of humanity or the healing of the planet how would you feel?

RunningDeer
11th September 2012, 16:17
I would like to propose a hypothetical or perhaps play a bit of the devil’s advocate with the following question . . . . .

If you could know within a comfortable percentage that the information the alphabet agencies gather will be used to the benefit of humanity or the healing of the planet how would you feel?

Suspicious. Hard for me to make that leap in thought. Maybe the answer will change in a few hours, Blufire.

In this Now, I see starvation, sickness, inhuman treatment of people and animals, fracking, GMO's, chemtrails, deforestation, pollution(s), etc. Why would the "alphabet gang" wait so long to assist Mother Earth and her children, trees, bugs, animals, plants, lands, waters...?

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

CdnSirian
11th September 2012, 16:51
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/09/10/176204/app-developer-says-stolen-udids-came-from-them-not-fbi

"A Florida iPhone and iPad app developer, Blue Toad, has come forward claiming that it is the source of the Apple UDIDs previously released by Anonymous. Their dataset, they say, is a 98% match for the one Anonymous hackers claim to have stolen from an FBI laptop. If so, this development would cast serious doubt on Anonymous' claims and, possibly, calm fears that this data is evidence of an ongoing FBI surveillance operation (a claim the FBI has also denied)." posted 2012/09/10

Who knows what's true?:confused:

Michelle Marie
11th September 2012, 16:56
It all goes to show you how very afraid they must be of us

Frankly though we are all heading into a world wHere
telepathy will be the new iPhone .. So bottom line is
You will have no where to hide thoughts acts or deeds wise

Yes "they " are behaving badly ( again) but big picture
wise we all have to learn to live more transparently anyways
who else is going to set that example ?

Stay out of the fear of " them" doing things to you
and live your life with integrity and from your authentic
self and your souls purpose.

We are the leaders here not the victims

Yeah!!! Right on! YES!

We've got the InnerNet, our network of Telepathy. Relaxing into the state of surrender to Divine will, I trust that all is well.

I've always had the sense about this "Big Brother surveillance" that "they" would be "hoisted by their own petard." I mean really, there's some hilarity about this: how many people are getting into big trouble because they filmed police brutality or some such unethical behavior. They go crazy when the camera or intel is turned the other way around. WHO is out of integrity?

Oh, it's that person pretending to be the great wizard (PTB?) behind the curtain that just got exposed.

I'm fine with transparency. I stand in the light of truth. Also, I've felt more protected since the first of the year. I feel very safe now. The new energy is taking a stronghold. The outer drama is just the effluvia of Mother Earth giving birth to a higher frequency of consciousness.

I do follow my intuitive guidance for caution, however. I have an iPhone, but I don't use any apps and GPS is turned off. I don't always carry it with me, and I do have an alternative phone.

Watch for my new thread, "Spacebook - Acknowledging the Telepathic InnerNet" with Michelle Marie. I've never started one before, so here goes...

Love is here now. Michelle Marie

blufire
11th September 2012, 17:17
Fair enough WhiteCrowBlackDeer . . . what I am suggesting is way off the wall of our usual path here on PA.

But what IF all the negative, hurtful things you listed could be explained in such a way that in the future we would see positive beautiful outcomes?

What IF all this collection of data will be used to the future benefit and wellbeing of humanity and the planet . . .

What IF all this we see today that ‘appears’ destructive and hurtful (and is many times) will lead us to a more positive future???

Many times the journey or path that leads us to a wondrous place is wrought with pain, suffering and difficulties . . .what IF this is the path we as a humanity and planet are traveling now?




I would like to propose a hypothetical or perhaps play a bit of the devil’s advocate with the following question . . . . .

If you could know within a comfortable percentage that the information the alphabet agencies gather will be used to the benefit of humanity or the healing of the planet how would you feel?

Suspicious. Hard for me to make that leap in thought. Maybe the answer will change in a few hours, Blufire.

In this Now, I see starvation, sickness, inhuman treatment of people and animals, fracking, GMO's, chemtrails, deforestation, pollution(s), etc. Why would the "alphabet gang" wait so long to assist Mother Earth and her children, trees, bugs, animals, plants, lands, waters...?

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

RunningDeer
11th September 2012, 19:17
Hello again, BluFire,

My understanding is that it takes multi-levels of the experiential to walk this grid of existence. I am who I am today because of the life challenges that helped shape me. They were lessons I came here to complete. Closure with aspects of self and others in this play were required. The result, we’ve brought balance to our karmic agreements.

So, now with one pointed focus, I join the Whole towards it’s next phase of evolution. As for the specifics? Once you know you are a creator-being, those solutions reveal themselves one after another in perfect timing. At least, that’s been my experience.

The most unselfish and loving thing I can do in this 'shared collective illusion' is to be the Higher Self. Offer a hand for those ready to claim their right to create their own solutions. It doesn’t come from the 'alphabet gang'. My message is don’t wait for others to save you. You’ll miss the opportunity to discover You.

What’s difficult is to watch others suffer. They haven’t had the opportunity to see we All are empowered humans. We’ve signed up for this historical time. And the custom-made life comes from within each of us. My hope is that as I live an authentic life, it may trigger them to apply inner knowing, tenacity and action steps for themselves. It’s the serendipitous harmony at play. The challenge is to stand resolute and unswerving in belief and patience for the x, y, and z’s to line up.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer


Fair enough WhiteCrowBlackDeer . . . what I am suggesting is way off the wall of our usual path here on PA.

But what IF all the negative, hurtful things you listed could be explained in such a way that in the future we would see positive beautiful outcomes?

What IF all this collection of data will be used to the future benefit and wellbeing of humanity and the planet . . .

What IF all this we see today that ‘appears’ destructive and hurtful (and is many times) will lead us to a more positive future???

Many times the journey or path that leads us to a wondrous place is wrought with pain, suffering and difficulties . . .what IF this is the path we as a humanity and planet are traveling now?




I would like to propose a hypothetical or perhaps play a bit of the devil’s advocate with the following question . . . . .

If you could know within a comfortable percentage that the information the alphabet agencies gather will be used to the benefit of humanity or the healing of the planet how would you feel?

Suspicious. Hard for me to make that leap in thought. Maybe the answer will change in a few hours, Blufire.

In this Now, I see starvation, sickness, inhuman treatment of people and animals, fracking, GMO's, chemtrails, deforestation, pollution(s), etc. Why would the "alphabet gang" wait so long to assist Mother Earth and her children, trees, bugs, animals, plants, lands, waters...?

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer