Ron Paul (2010-2011)

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Charlie Pecos your absolutely right ....The USA is a classic example of manipulation, the blue blood 'Rulers' of america are no different than the 'OLD World' where all there links are beholden...
I 've always wondered from a boy ,looking over the 'pond' why is it that in the so called land of the 'Free' . It costs a fortune to run for President , thus only allowing the rich and corporations to run the show. This is why the bulk of the populations of all democracies have been conned into thinking this is the only way it can be.....

There has to be another way , decending back into tribalism will only start the cycle off again as one tribe will alway desire their neighbours assets....The only way I see it is raise our vibration level. I know this sounds 'corny' and is certainly not practicle in everyday dog eat dog situations , but if we can lift the viel on all this corruption and manipulation we may start an 'awakening'...
Like every one on this site, I can't believe the bulk of the population can't see we are still surfs serving our 'Betters' The States are far worse than here, everything is based on money and in
your face....Its the same here of course but they've had longer to keep us under control, so money is a 'Vulger' subject in polite conversation......
We deffinately need a revolution to get rid of greed and poverty ..............How is it possible to spend trillions on wars in Iraq ,Afghanistan , & Libya .....and watch millions of people starve in East Africa

Everyone must see our leaders are evil or incompetent........Obahma is Kenyan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! allegedley cheers Steve

[giovonni]

It's Wake-Up Time !

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/afontevecchia/files/2011/07/bernanke-ronpaul-300x115.jpg

Chairman Ben Bernanke faced-off with Fed-hating Representative Ron Paul during his monetary policy report to Congress on Wednesday. The head of the Fed was forced to respond to accusations of enriching already rich corporations while failing to help Main Street, while he was pushed on his views on gold. “Gold isn’t money,” Bernanke said.

story & video below:
http://blogs.forbes.com/afontevecchia/2011/07/13/bernanke-fights-ron-paul-in-congress-golds-not-money/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NJnL10vZ1Y&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NJnL10vZ1Y&feature=player_embedded

[Hummingbird]

I love it, Bernanke was turning in his skin.. Great post Gio made me smile :)

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Casey is coming to bat to hit a home run ... or strike out ...


Okay - if you want to talk baseball:

Let us not forget the Boston Red Sox - the breaking of the curse - 2004 American League Series. Down 0 games to 3, behind by 1 run in the ninth of the 4th - AND THE MIRACLE HAPPENED. wHAT, HOW!!!!!!!!!!! They went on to win the series 4 games to 3 (against the Yankees- no less).

My Point: Miracles do happen or call it the unbelievable if you prefer - and yes rufus 7, this could be the perfect storm.

And yes dddanieljjjamess I agree, we do need a new system, but it has to start somewhere - and what the hell, why not here - Ron Paul could be the beginning of a miracle. If we put it out there and get as many people as we know to believe and vote for him!!!!

What other choices do we have at this point?

[Rocky_Shorz]

everyone have $25 to buy back the fed?


"By law (check the Congressional record), we can buy back the FED for the original investment of the FED's 300 shareholders, which is $450 million (Reference 1, P. 227, Reference 17, P. 36). If each taxpayer paid $25, we could buy back the FED and all the profit would flow into the U.S. Treasury. In other words, by Congress allowing the constitutionally illegal FED to continue, much of your taxes go to the shareholders of the FED and their bankers. Note: The people who enacted the FED started the IRS, within months of the FED's inception. The FED buys U.S. debt with money they printed from nothing, then charges the U.S. taxpayers interest. The government had to create income tax to pay the interest expense to the FED's shareholders, but the income tax was never legally passed (Reference 20 shows details, state-by-state why it was not legally passed). The FED is illegal, per Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution. Not one state legally ratified the 16th Amendment making income tax legal."

"If we eliminate the FED and uphold the Constitution, we could balance the budget and cut personal income tax to almost nothing. In Congressional hearings on September 30, 1941, FED Chairman Eccles admitted that the FED creates new money from thin air (printing press), and loans it back to us at interest (Reference 17, P. 93). On June 6, 1960, FED President Mr. Allen admitted essentially the same thing (Reference 22, P. 164). If you or I did this we would go to jail." link (http://www.apfn.org/APFN/fed_reserve.htm)

[ponda]

Interestingly the Feds 99 year charter expires around 23rd of December 2012.The 2012 US election is on November 6th 2012.Mr Paul might be the right man at the right time.

[gabbahh]

We need to create a NEW system...
No I don't need a new Shytsem. I rather trust on mi brothers and sisters then Big Brother. Worked before, will work again.

Not like we have a choice anyways. Love Ron Paul, he helps in walking people up. He wants to reduce the system (he is part of it, can't expect him to commit suicide) which at least is a step in the right direction.

Less is more.

One Love, Ton

PS Tonight I am going to dream about the future: In it I will be watching the real life soap "Ron and Jesse are running for president" broadcasted on MTV. Big hit.

[Watching from Cyprus]

Bravo Mr. Ron Paul, this clip just says it all, doesn't it :-)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Maybe I should talk with Japan about getting $450M for the answer to getting their country off nukes...

drop in the bucket compared to what another mess like this would cost them...

take this power it by water...

100 miles on 4 ounces...

8673

now they have a Billion tons of rare earth minerals...

I'll have them send the check to Ron Paul, he'd love to walk in and say... ya fired... lol

[T Smith]

Does anyone honestly think that if Ron Paul (or anyone else for that matter) were elected to the office of the President of the United States of America, that it would change anything?

For that matter, does anyone actually still believe that voting for a politician will bring about any meaningful change at all?

Look at Mr. Hope & Change. Placing human beings in positions of power only brings about corruption and exploitation. It is not that power corrupts, but rather that positions of power attract the corruptible.

From here on out we can count on one thing: If an individual is "elected" to a position of leadership, it is because he is owned, approved by those who actually "run" our world, and this person does not give a rats ass about you or I. He is in it for himself.

Abdicating our personally responsibility to "elected" leaders is what allows us to be controlled and manipulated. If we want to be a free people, perhaps we should start acting like one.

Let us not look to be led any longer, leaders are our downfall.

Let us lead ourselves instead.

The Ron Paul platform is nothing short of a revolution. The question is, if elected, would TPTB allow the revolution? Or would they fight back? That's the question we need to ask and discuss. So I will start the discussion right here. Of course they would fight back. Most certainly with lethal force, if they felt backed against the corner. Right now, as it stands, Ron Paul is simply an annoying little fly. If he becomes more of a threat, the rest is up to us. What are we going to do about it? At the end of the day, this isn't really about one politician.

I will also point out that the Ron Paul platform is all about personal responsibility, not an "abdication" to elected leaders. I find it facsinating that people who have disdain for the political process (and a possible Ron Paul Presidency by default) sometimes have no real understanding of what Ron Paul is all about. But to be as simplistic as possible -- it's about remedying everything for which they have disdain, by transferring power back to the people.

Finally, if Ron Paul is elected, it will not be because he is owned. His contributions come from the people. Of course that opens up an entire other debate. Is it even possible for a candidate funded by the people (as opposed to TPTB) to be elected???

Let's at least ask the right questions. Ron Paul is not a typical politican. Frankly, it's a miracle in itself that he has risen to the position he has.

[Phoenix]

Are you willing to let him (or anyone else for that matter!) take responsibility for things that are within YOUR power to change?

You're giving up something no matter what when you play the political game.
Energy wasted that could be spent organizing within your community, gardening, or just making life a better place by being in the world and not leaving the mind in the idealistic realm of governmental probability.

I agree with everything you are saying here -- except I think you are mistaking who/what Ron Paul is. This isn't about Ron Paul the person. It's about an idea that Ron Paul has been espousing for two decades. That idea is now growing some legs as people wake up. It's about the people taking responsibility for their own lives and for their own government. I find a good deal of irony in the fact that you are actually paraphrasing everything the Ron Paul movement is about by distancing yourself from it.

I agree - IMO the system would change a lot easier if the power of the president were backing it...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Ron Paul won't get elected, but it is the perfect time to get media coverage on areas that need changing...

He isn't afraid of going after Big Bankers and their collection agents the IRS

it will get more people talking, and wanting to stand up for changes.

[crosby]

so question one is: where did the 125billion go? question 2: everyone who had any gold has probably sold it for dollars, that have decreased in value. why does the fed hold it, and where are the holding it? this bernanke guy really lights a fire under my bottom. he has an answer to everything, but when i think about what he's saying, it turns out to be nothing of any genuine value. kind of like the dollar now. i watched bernanke squirm like crazy in the alex jones documentary "The Fall of The Republic", and i have to say, it was nice to see him writhing in angst for a change.
thanks for thread.......
regards, corson

[Rocky_Shorz]

they gave $125 Billion in profit to the Treasury, so ummm, does that mean they kept the rest? sure didn't lower the debt...

[Cidersomerset]

These creeps do not like being stood up to , they have had it there own way to long , lets see with the Murdoch fiasco ,if other media and polititions will get a back bone and call these 'Bansters' to account for ruining the world economy , only 3years ago every thing was 'rosy' in the financial garden , we all know they were lying, its time for them to pay and explain where every Doller/pound went.............
There must be a paper/computor trail somewhere....They always say 'we must look to the future'....Thats no good as we never seem to learn our lessons from the past...

[onawah]

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From the Fluoride Action Network:

The broad based coalition of people opposed to fluoridation has just gotten bigger! In an interview with FAN's campaign director Stuart Cooper, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, said that if elected he would oppose any funding to enable the CDC to continue to promote fluoridation. He said that fluoridation was a local issue and the federal bureaucracy should not be spending tax dollars promoting the practice. Here is Stuart's report of the conversation:

Last week, at a campaign event in Laconia, New Hampshire I spoke for several minutes about fluoridation with Dr. Paul, telling him about the EPA Union's call for a moratorium, the 2006 NRC report, the numerous I.Q. studies, the dental fluorosis epidemic, and the CDC's promotion of fluoridation, and asked him, "if elected President, would you allow the CDC, DHHS, or any federal agency to use tax dollars to promote water fluoridation?"

Dr. Paul responded:



"The federal government should have zero...nothing to do with the promotion of fluoridation unless its on a military base...and hopefully there they would do the right thing. So no, federal fluoride promotion shouldn't exist, they shouldn't be telling you or anyone else what should happen because even though it was well intended at the time--I remember that I thought it was a bad principle because in a way it was massive treatment--and at the time everybody accepted the idea that fluoride was great and that you would never get a cavity and there was no downside, now there is a big question, that's why you don't want government doing these kinds of things. You or I should decide, someone should give us bottled water with fluoride, or we should have the ability to buy water with fluoride, but we should not have the federal government promoting fluoridation...sometimes their right, most of the time their wrong. They shouldn't have the authority to do this. Especially with the information out there now about fluoride, I would do my best to stop federal involvement with state and local fluoride decisions."



Ron Paul is a physician trained in obstetrics and gynecology and has been a U.S. Congressman representing the Houston area of Texas for over 20 years. He has run for President twice before, has multiple best selling books, and has a very large and loyal following across the United States.


Dr. Paul is the latest influential leader to join the choir of opposition to fluoridation in 2011. This winter, prominent Democratic New York City Council Member Peter Vallone, Jr. introduced a bill to prohibit fluoridation of the city's drinking water. In April, former U.N. Ambassador and Atlanta Mayor Andrew Young, along with fellow civil rights leaders Reverend Dr. Gerald Durley and Bernice King, called for a repeal of mandatory fluoridation laws. And just last month, Consumer Activist and former Green party and Independent party Presidential candidate Ralph Nader, came out publicly in opposition to mandatory water fluoridation.

The wide range of personalities opposing fluoridation, along with the nearly 4,000 medical and scientific professionals who have signed FANs professional statement, clearly proves that opposition to fluoridation is not only growing rapidly, but is also blind to ideology or political party affiliation. The anti-fluoridation tent just keeps getting bigger and bigger!

[giovonni]

Here's the real answer to the question...

Is Gold money?

Now tell us the truth Mr Bernanke...:moony:

Ah no... It's much better !


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[giovonni]

it's getting ever so close...

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13 July 2011 Last updated at 18:46 ET

Moody's to review US triple-A debt rating

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54056000/jpg/_54056859_012442922-1.jpg
Ben Bernanke said the Fed expects to keep interest rates near zero "for an extended period"


Moody's has warned it may cut the US AAA debt rating because it is increasingly likely its debt ceiling will not be raised in time to avoid a default.

It has placed the US on a downgrade watch, saying the likelihood of a default was "low" but not "de minimis".

Federal Reserve head Ben Bernanke said earlier a default would send shockwaves through the entire financial system.

He said the Fed would renew stimulus efforts if the economy remained weak.

'Small but rising risk'

Moody's became the first of the big three ratings agencies - the others being Standard & Poor's and Fitch - to place the US's triple-A rating on review for a possible downgrade.

"The review of the US government's bond rating is prompted by the possibility that the debt limit will not be raised in time to prevent a missed payment of interest or principal on outstanding bonds and notes," Moody's said.

"As such, there is a small but rising risk of a short-lived default."

The US hit its $14.3 trillion debt ceiling on 16 May but has since used spending and accounting adjustments, as well as higher-than-expected tax receipts, to continue operating.

Republicans are refusing to lift the ceiling without deep government spending cuts.

'Prepared to respond'

Earlier, Fed chairman Mr Bernanke gave his semi-annual monetary policy report to members of Congress.

The Fed's second quantitative easing programme (QE2) ended two weeks ago, and there has been much speculation about whether a QE3 programme is on the cards.

"Once the temporary shocks that have been holding down economic activity pass, we expect to again see the effects of policy accommodation reflected in stronger economic activity and job creation," Mr Bernanke said.

"However, given the range of uncertainties about the strength of the recovery and prospects for inflation over the medium term, the Federal Reserve remains prepared to respond should economic developments indicate that an adjustment in the stance of monetary policy would be appropriate."

He also said the US could expect only "moderate" growth over the coming quarters.

He added that the inflation pressures seen in the first half of 2011 were "transitory" and should ease, citing higher commodity prices and the earthquake in Japan, which led to parts shortages and drove up vehicle prices, as reasons for why inflation picked up.

The Fed expects to keep its ultra-low interest rate policy in place "for an extended period", he said.
Revised forecasts

The dollar extended earlier losses against the euro following Mr Bernanke's comments, with the euro rising more than a cent to $1.4088.

He added that Fed forecasts for June, which had already been significantly revised down from April, had not incorporated recent data such as last week's employment report.

That data showed that job creation all but ground to a halt last month, with only 18,000 new jobs created, and the unemployment rate rising to 9.2%.

Analysts said that Mr Bernanke had only raised the possibility of a further stimulus, and was not saying that it was necessary.

"In general, Bernanke's testimony has not changed our view that monetary policy is on hold," said Dana Saporta, economist at Credit Suisse in New York.

"The hurdle for a QE3 is too high right now, but if the European peripheral crisis intensifies, further policy accommodation might be considered."

Source;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14142621

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Anyone notice that the view count is far lower that the like count?

[WhiteFeather]

I truly believe many upon many of the corrupt politicians throughout the world need to be arrested as swiftly as possible and held accountable for the crimes against humanity. Its we the people that need to take back our government holographically as One... Of The People, For The People, By The People. Ron Paul would make an excellent representative for the people of the USA, but after he's elected will he now become a puppet as the rest of them do....I Hope Not I like this Guy, and i cant stomach any politicians..... PS Ron Paul is schooling Bernanke..Nicely... Awesome Video....Thank's and such a great Post OP.....Be Love

PS Ron Paul forgot to mention, any products, food items, soap, goods etc, that we purchase very recently have shrunk in size significantly. Take a good look at any products that you have purchased lately, they are 30 percent smaller. I see this significant change, doesn't anyone else.

[WhiteFeather]

It is wake up time I truly agree OP... I Like That you added that on the post......

[Charlie Pecos]

The Ron Paul platform is nothing short of a revolution. The question is, if elected, would TPTB allow the revolution? Or would they fight back? That's the question we need to ask and discuss. So I will start the discussion right here. Of course they would fight back. Most certainly with lethal force, if they felt backed against the corner. Right now, as it stands, Ron Paul is simply an annoying little fly. If he becomes more of a threat, the rest is up to us. What are we going to do about it? At the end of the day, this isn't really about one politician.

I will also point out that the Ron Paul platform is all about personal responsibility, not an "abdication" to elected leaders. I find it facsinating that people who distain the political process (and a possible Ron Paul Presidency by default) sometimes have no real understanding of what Ron Paul is all about. But to be as simplistic as possible -- its about remedying everything they distain, by transferring power back to the people.

Finally, if Ron Paul is elected, it will not be because he is owned. His contributions come from the people. Of course that opens up an entire other debate. Is it even possible for a candidate funded by the people (as opposed to TPTB) to be elected???

Let's at least ask the right questions. Ron Paul is not a typical politican. Frankly, it's a miracle in itself that he has risen to the position he has.

I think you may have missed my point. I do not dislike Mr. Paul, indeed, did not Mr. Obama campaign on a platform of change? Did he not sell us on ending wars and bringing troops home? How did that work out for us? Absolutely no discernible change in tactics, except that things got decidedly worse for you and I. QE1 and QE2 should tell you everything you need to know about who actually runs this country. The reality is that the U.S. president is only a figure head, a puppet. He has absolutely no control over anything and if he decides to buck the system he will be summarily executed.

If Mr. Paul were to be elected he would have two choices: Do what they say, or die. It really is that simple.

Those who call for a new improved government and monetary system are still missing the point. The point is this: as long as there is a pyramidal power structure, as long as the many at the bottom support the few at the top, nothing will change. We can re-brand it all we like but it is still a control paradigm.

[T Smith]

The Ron Paul platform is nothing short of a revolution. The question is, if elected, would TPTB allow the revolution? Or would they fight back? That's the question we need to ask and discuss. So I will start the discussion right here. Of course they would fight back. Most certainly with lethal force, if they felt backed against the corner. Right now, as it stands, Ron Paul is simply an annoying little fly. If he becomes more of a threat, the rest is up to us. What are we going to do about it? At the end of the day, this isn't really about one politician.

I will also point out that the Ron Paul platform is all about personal responsibility, not an "abdication" to elected leaders. I find it facsinating that people who distain the political process (and a possible Ron Paul Presidency by default) sometimes have no real understanding of what Ron Paul is all about. But to be as simplistic as possible -- its about remedying everything they distain, by transferring power back to the people.

Finally, if Ron Paul is elected, it will not be because he is owned. His contributions come from the people. Of course that opens up an entire other debate. Is it even possible for a candidate funded by the people (as opposed to TPTB) to be elected???

Let's at least ask the right questions. Ron Paul is not a typical politican. Frankly, it's a miracle in itself that he has risen to the position he has.

I think you may have missed my point. I do not dislike Mr. Paul, indeed, did not Mr. Obama campaign on a platform of change? Did he not sell us on ending wars and bringing troops home? How did that work out for us? Absolutely no discernible change in tactics, except that things got decidedly worse for you and I. QE1 and QE2 should tell you everything you need to know about who actually runs this country. The reality is that the U.S. president is only a figure head, a puppet. He has absolutely no control over anything, if he decides to buck the system, he will be summarily executed.

If Mr. Paul were to be elected he would have two choices: Do what they say, or die. It really is that simple. Those who call for a new improved government and monetary system are still missing the point. The point is this: as long as there is a pyramidal power structure, as long as the many at the bottom support the few at the top, nothing will change. We can re-brand it all we like but it is still a control paradigm.

I do understand your point. And I don't even necessarily disagree.

As for the Obama campaign, I for one discerned the platform he ran on from the reality from day one. But I do understand I am in the minority here. The main give away to me was his extremely shadowy sponsors, e.g. George Soros et. al, and his dubious and untouchable past, which the entire world fully ignored. It was extremely suspect and a dead give away. But that's not to say I didn't fully understand his appeal to the masses. The message was awesome -- there is no denying that -- it was simply a canned one and a fantastic con job.

Ron Paul isn't a front man. Not only does he lack Barack Obama's charisma, he is as transparent as tropical rain. What you see is what you get, and his voting record is there for all to see for the past twenty five years. His philosophy is solid and unwavering. He doesn't waffle, he doesn't compromise. He is more an economic philosopher than a politician; he is what he is, and you know exactly what you're getting if you cast a vote for him. Could this change if he wins a position of real power? Of course. But I for one would be extremely surprised, based on the track record of who and what Ron Paul is, and I will also be the first to call him out for it if he does. He is also loathed by Madison Avenue and the corporate media, so there is very little propaganda packaging and disinformation to distort his image for better or worse. Anything you might know about Ron Paul, the man, is very likely based on what's real as opposed to what some special interest wants you to perceive. In sum, there is really no comparison or parallel between Barack Obama and Ron Paul, save for the fact that both men have inspired millions of people.

As for your second point, I have no argument. You are correct. TPTB would do what they would have to do if Ron Paul rose to a position of real power. But I will point out, optimistically, that the only way Ron Paul could ever win such a position is if the mass of people were awake enough to understand exactly the point you make, in which case it would be much harder for them to pull off a JFK-like assassination. If the reality is such that Ron Paul wins the Presidency, a major coup would have already occurred in the pyramidal power structure, in spite of every effort by TPTB to install a puppet. A Ron Paul Presidency (which is admittedly unlikely given the naivete and unawareness of the populous) could only occur if the people had wised up to the game and had averted being the victim of the deliberate manipulation by our illustrious controllers. Anything short of this and Ron Paul will simply not rise to power. My support for Ron Paul is as much about doing my part in helping awaken the masses to resist our inevitable neo-fuedalist enslavement as it is about supporting one man for political power.

[crosby]

I truly believe many upon many of the corrupt politicians throughout the world need to be arrested as swiftly as possible and held accountable for the crimes against humanity. Its we the people that need to take back our government holographically as One... Of The People, For The People, By The People. Ron Paul would make an excellent representative for the people of the USA, but after he's elected will he now become a puppet as the rest of them do....I Hope Not I like this Guy, and i cant stomach any politicians..... PS Ron Paul is schooling Bernanke..Nicely... Awesome Video....Thank's and such a great Post OP.....Be Love

PS Ron Paul forgot to mention, any products, food items, soap, goods etc, that we purchase very recently have shrunk in size significantly. Take a good look at any products that you have purchased lately, they are 30 percent smaller. I see this significant change, doesn't anyone else.

agreed 100%. i have noticed a significant drop in the quantity of packaged products. we are definitely getting less than less for the devalued dollar. quite the conundrum. however, i have found that shopping at $dollar stores, when i need to, helps a bit.
regards, corson

[Charlie Pecos]

When the populous elects any man (even Ron Paul) to a position of power, they have not awakened enough.

We must stop looking to leaders to solve our problems, it is what we might call a "failed experiment".

Time for a new experiment. :)

[DoubleHelix]

When the populous elects any man (even Ron Paul) to a position of power, they have not awakened enough.

We must stop looking to leaders to solve our problems, it is what we might call a "failed experiment".

Time for a new experiment. :)

I'd have to say I'm 100% in agreeance with you on this one Charlie.

Ron Paul's a good guy, and his purpose in awakening the masses is a good one, frankly whether he makes it to be the next POTUS is irrelevant. Even if he only gets a couple of million people to wake up to the corrupt banking system, then that's one step out of many.. that's in the right direction.

And your right replacing one leader with another isn't the miracle remedy, to be honest there isn't a quick fix to this conundrum. When the masses realize that the change has to come from themselves.. as opposed to appointing a new puppet into a fictitious system, then it'll be a good day to be alive on planet earth!

[Calz]

Agreed ... but again ... how to get "there" from "here"???

Easy for all of us to sit around the campfire and agree about what is wrong ... coming up with a solution ... ah now there is the quandry.

[Maia Gabrial]

The ingenuity of Americans is the last defense imo. If that's lost then we'll have a problem....But WE'RE a huge think tank, problem solvers extraordinaire....Even if the economy goes and the govt collapses in on itself, once the shock wears off, WE Americans will dust ourselves off, roll up our sleeves and get down to the business of rebuilding. Hopefully, we won't make the same mistakes again and create an outstanding new world....

[crosby]

Are you willing to let him (or anyone else for that matter!) take responsibility for things that are within YOUR power to change?

You're giving up something no matter what when you play the political game.
Energy wasted that could be spent organizing within your community, gardening, or just making life a better place by being in the world and not leaving the mind in the idealistic realm of governmental probability.

talking about change is great. there's only one problem: nobody has come up with a sustainable, implementable contrast to what we have now. it's fine and dandy to keep saying that we need a new system, but i have yet to see anyone come up with one and actually put it too the test. until such a time arises, i'm willing to try and find honest answers to the problems that we face right now, working within the system that we know. it is a workable system. there are too many unknowns at this point about what the future holds. yes, it's a gamble working with the present day system; however, there's no alternative yet. i'm willing to place my attention in this direction, and there are many, many others who will do the same.
regards, corson

[JoshERTW]

I was discussing the recent election here in Canada with some ex-pat Americans who I work with and mentioned I wish Ron Paul would come up here and run for office. The response was effectively "Ron Paul is a Nut job"

I'm a nut job too so I guess I'll take it as a compliment ;)

[Carmody]

Are you willing to let him (or anyone else for that matter!) take responsibility for things that are within YOUR power to change?

You're giving up something no matter what when you play the political game.
Energy wasted that could be spent organizing within your community, gardening, or just making life a better place by being in the world and not leaving the mind in the idealistic realm of governmental probability.

talking about change is great. there's only one problem: nobody has come up with a sustainable, implementable contrast to what we have now. it's fine and dandy to keep saying that we need a new system, but i have yet to see anyone come up with one and actually put it too the test. until such a time arises, i'm willing to try and find honest answers to the problems that we face right now, working within the system that we know. it is a workable system. there are too many unknowns at this point about what the future holds. yes, it's a gamble working with the present day system; however, there's no alternative yet. i'm willing to place my attention in this direction, and there are many, many others who will do the same.
regards, corson

It is now possible to test for cranial wiring for empathy -----or a lack of it.

[Snowbird]

Interestingly the Feds 99 year charter expires around 23rd of December 2012.The 2012 US election is on November 6th 2012.Mr Paul might be the right man at the right time.

Don't get too excited ponda. Obama will be president until January 20, 2013. He will most likely be programmed to renew the charter.

[ponda]

Snowbird said:

Don't get too excited ponda. Obama will be president until January 20, 2013.

:) Yes but there's a lot of water to go under the bridge before November 6th,2012

I'll take a punt and say that there won't be a fed in 2013

[DoubleHelix]

I'd like to know what the average person on the streets of America thinks of Mr. Paul

Anyhow, first Ad of his campaign -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUNIeOB0whI&feature=player_embedded

[jupiter]

Being in Australia I hope I don`t annoy anyone by putting in my two bobs worth on the political situation in another country,however from what I can see the US is in the same predicament as Aus with regards to the political situation, and that being, it dosen`t matter who you vote for you get Tweedle Dumb or Tweedle Dumber and anybody that comes along with an ideas for political reform and has captured the imagination of the people they are continually berated by the media with lies and innuendo almost continually.
Look what happened to Pauline Hanson a few years back she wound up in jail ( here if you do time you cannot hold public office) ,it went all the way to the supreme court, The judge was so disgusted she was let out of the joint immediately and all records of her charges were dropped.
And who organized that ,dumbo big ears, the leader of the opposition who admitted on TV he was a liar and the prick can`t string two words together and in all likely hood he will be out next head honcho
So in my humble opinion it dosen`t matter who gets in ,they will all look after themselves and their mates:wof: and sell the country down the tubes,
I`m at the stage now that when I see one of the leaches on the tube I walk away ,I feel ill when I think of what they have done to us ,and I`m afraid it will only get worse:suspicious:
Kind regards James

[T Smith]

Being in Australia I hope I don`t annoy anyone by putting in my two bobs worth on the political situation in another country,however from what I can see the US is in the same predicament as Aus with regards to the political situation, and that being, it dosen`t matter who you vote for you get Tweedle Dumb or Tweedle Dumber and anybody that comes along with an ideas for political reform and has captured the imagination of the people they are continually berated by the media with lies and innuendo almost continually.
Look what happened to Pauline Hanson a few years back she wound up in jail ( here if you do time you cannot hold public office) ,it went all the way to the supreme court, The judge was so disgusted she was let out of the joint immediately and all records of her charges were dropped.
And who organized that ,dumbo big ears, the leader of the opposition who admitted on TV he was a liar and the prick can`t string two words together and in all likely hood he will be out next head honcho
So in my humble opinion it dosen`t matter who gets in ,they will all look after themselves and their mates:wof: and sell the country down the tubes,
I`m at the stage now that when I see one of the leaches on the tube I walk away ,I feel ill when I think of what they have done to us ,and I`m afraid it will only get worse:suspicious:
Kind regards James

Your judgement here is insightful and valid. However, at the risk of sounding bias and over zealous, Ron Paul is an animal of a different color. Your insights about the political process here in the United States do not apply to Ron Paul's platform. He is a very rare and unique candidate for political office. I could illustrate why this is so more thoroughly, but to provide the explanation it deserves would take us well beyond the scope of a brief reply to your post. There are others here on the forum who shared similar sentiments three years ago about a little-known and charismatic Illinois senator who came onto the world stage and promised hope and change, and they have made it clear, in this thread and in others, and understandably so, that they are now so jaded after supporting Barack Obama's message that they will never be duped again by yet another mouth piece who has captured the public's imagination by promising reform. For this reason they are turning a blind eye to Ron Paul and are refusing to embrace his vision for no other reason than they have learned the painful lessons you point out in your very thoughtful post. These folks, and others like them who are jaded by the political process, are misguided in this particular instance.

What is rarely discussed is that Ron Paul represents a revolution via the political process, as opposed to a revolution via a military coup, or a revolution via violent uprising, or via some other means. Revolution implies a new political system entirely, not just a changing of the guard. It is sometimes hard not to confuse a changing of the guard with the political structure called for by a Ron Paul Presidency. In other words, this isn't just about "fresh new blood" being injected into Washington. This is about something entirely different.

The question then is this: is a political revolution even possible? It has never occurred before, in the United States, so we just don't know. And because Ron Paul represents a revolution, it is very unlikely the old guard will stand passive if the Ron Paul revolution gains traction, any more than the military or any regime would stand pat during an attempted coup by some rogue General. This is the situation we are talking about, here in the United States, when we discuss a Ron Paul presidency. He is the proverbial rogue General, except he is attempting to seize power legally, per the legal structure of the country, via the political process itself. Do we the people support this charge? That's the real question here.

I take no issue whatsoever to those who do not support Ron Paul's retro-esque vision for the country, for whatever their reasons -- I just think it's important for all to understand exactly what's going on here and not fall prey to believing this campaign is politics as usual.

[ktlight]

July 13, 2011 - Congressman Ron Paul questions Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke in a U.S. House Financial Services Committee Meeting shortly after reports surfaced that the Federal Reserve was preparing for a third round of quantitative easing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NJnL10vZ1Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NJnL10vZ1Y&feature=player_embedded

[phimonic]

LOL @ " the fed has been a major profit-centre for the us-government, we've turned over profits...." bernanke says, acting like a guilty schoolboy, who tries to get himself out of the affaire -

[PurpleLama]

This is an old news blog from 2008 that, if true, would warrant some investigation.

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/ron-paul-and-freemasonry/

This was brought to my attention by a friend when I started making noise about RP running for POTUS in 2012. I cannot attest to the veracity of the information provided by this article, and I am very curious what would turn up from you folks to confirm or deny.

[Calz]

This is an old news blog from 2008 that, if true, would warrant some investigation.

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/ron-paul-and-freemasonry/

This was brought to my attention by a friend when I started making noise about RP running for POTUS in 2012. I cannot attest to the veracity of the information provided by this article, and I am very curious what would turn up from you folks to confirm or deny.

Not a freemason personally but my understanding is that those below the 32nd level are not given any significant "secret society knowledge". Most are "good" people trying to do good things.

Going back to the start of the nation the "leaders" have almost all been freemasons.

I am sure many others here are more knowledgable of the subject than I and perhaps they can clarify that a bit better.

In a very quick skim of the site you link to it comes off as a bit of a smear attempt. That would be expected (unfortunately) in campaign time. Not to say there is not truth there. Just a quick top of the head observation.

[Calz]

Could not help but to "steal" this one from the Bill Hicks thread (thanks DNA) since it not only applies to some of the posts in this thread ... but we all need to sit back and have a chuckle every now and again (else we get caught up in thinking it is more than "just a ride").


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B8IvKx0c19w#at=59

[Marsila]

RP "do you think gold is money?"

BB-.....pause..........................no.

that was priceless, like he was reciting what he was told, and could not remember the right answer.

the FR is a private company i don't know why they thing anyone will believe they are going to care about anything but their own interests.

[Charlie Pecos]

Your judgement here is insightful and valid. However, at the risk of sounding bias and over zealous, Ron Paul is an animal of a different color. Your insights about the political process here in the United States do not apply to Ron Paul's platform. He is a very rare and unique candidate for political office. I could illustrate why this is so more thoroughly, but to provide the explanation it deserves would take us well beyond the scope of a brief reply to your post. There are others here on the forum who shared similar sentiments three years ago about a little-known and charismatic Illinois senator who came onto the world stage and promised hope and change, and they have made it clear, in this thread and in others, and understandably so, that they are now so jaded after supporting Barack Obama's message that they will never be duped again by yet another mouth piece who has captured the public's imagination by promising reform. For this reason they are turning a blind eye to Ron Paul and are refusing to embrace his vision for no other reason than they have learned the painful lessons you point out in your very thoughtful post. These folks, and others like them who are jaded by the political process, are misguided in this particular instance.

What is rarely discussed is that Ron Paul represents a revolution via the political process, as opposed to a revolution via a military coup, or a revolution via violent uprising, or via some other means. Revolution implies a new political system entirely, not just a changing of the guard. It is sometimes hard not to confuse a changing of the guard with the political structure called for by a Ron Paul Presidency. In other words, this isn't just about "fresh new blood" being injected into Washington. This is about something entirely different.

The question then is this: is a political revolution even possible? It has never occurred before, in the United States, so we just don't know. And because Ron Paul represents a revolution, it is very unlikely the old guard will stand passive if the Ron Paul revolution gains traction, any more than the military or any regime would stand pat during an attempted coup by some rogue General. This is the situation we are talking about, here in the United States, when we discuss a Ron Paul presidency. He is the proverbial rogue General, except he is attempting to seize power legally, per the legal structure of the country, via the political process itself. Do we the people support this charge? That's the real question here.

I take no issue whatsoever to those who do not support Ron Paul's retro-esque vision for the country, for whatever their reasons -- I just think it's important for all to understand exactly what's going on here and not fall prey to believing this campaign is politics as usual.

Well, TSmith, you didn't disappoint now did you? I expected this reply to my last post. Turns out I just needed to be a little more patient. So, how goes the campaign? Yes, yes, it is a proven tactic to marginalize the naysayers, don't need them undermining a campaign you know. We must build consensus if we are to win the election!

What most people cannot conceive of is that the last election, the last presidency, sets up for what comes next. Problem, reaction, solution. Most people do not think like this, therefore they are simply unable to comprehend that this is exactly what is happening to them in real time. Our "leaders" know this all to well. They use it to lead us sheep around by the nose ring. When one of those sheep stops and say's "hey look what they are doing to us", the way they handle that sheep is to point out to the others that there is something wrong with that sheep. The lone dissenting sheep is singled out and ridiculed thereby rendering his voice ineffective and useless and it teaches the other sheep to stay in the group and not think for themselves lest they be singled out and ridiculed as well. Let's see, that would be control through fear now wouldn't it?

So TSmith, what happens when ALL the sheep see the same thing and it's not what the shepherd wants them to see? Stay tuned.......

[Calz]

Something else to consider ... how many security levels *above* the president is there???

27 I think I remember ...

Allegedly.

[T Smith]

Well, TSmith, you didn't disappoint now did you? I expected this reply to my last post. Turns out I just needed to be a little more patient. So, how goes the campaign? Yes, yes, it is a proven tactic to marginalize the naysayers, don't need them undermining a campaign you know. We must build consensus if we are to win the election!

What most people cannot conceive of is that the last election, the last presidency, sets up for what comes next. Problem, reaction, solution. Most people do not think like this, therefore they are simply unable to comprehend that this is exactly what is happening to them in real time. Our "leaders" know this all to well. They use it to lead us sheep around by the nose ring. When one of those sheep stops and say's "hey look what they are doing to us", the way they handle that sheep is to point out to the others that there is something wrong with that sheep. The lone dissenting sheep is singled out and ridiculed thereby rendering his voice ineffective and useless and it teaches the other sheep to stay in the group and not think for themselves lest they be singled out and ridiculed as well. Let's see, that would be control through fear now wouldn't it?

So TSmith, what happens when ALL the sheep see the same thing and it's not what the shepherd wants them to see? Stay tuned.......

Your judgement is premature. I never claimed Ron Paul was going to be the next President, or even one of the candidates showcased to the sheep by the various shepherds pulling the strings (to employ your terms). If Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, we can revisit this discussion and determine then whether or not Ron Paul is part of a larger problem/reaction/solution cycle, by design, or a genuine anomoly who has somehow siezed an unlikely position despite the objectives of those orchestrating events. It is way too soon to cry foul at this stage, and especially for the reason (unless I am misinterpreting your words) because we were all duped the last time around so that must disqualify the intentions of Ron Paul (or any other politician) by default. That logic is somewhat thin considering the cycle of broken promises by politicians is almost as probable as the rising sun and goes back decades and well before Barack Obama was even born. I'm also on record countless times saying it is unlikely Ron Paul will succeed for the very reasons you discuss, so I'm not quite sure where we are at odds in this discussion.

I am also not marginalizing your position at all. I'm merely pointing out that you may be misinterpreting the dynamic of what is going on here. Other than that, I don't think we are in disagreement.

Best Regards,
T Smith

[Calz]

I found it interesting in the vid posted in # 44 (DoubleHelix beat me to it) :) RP seemed to give the GOP a "shot across the bow".

Since he has announced he will not seek reelection I wonder if, indeed, he might actually go independent and pick up Jesse for a running mate.

Hmmmmmmm.

[DoubleHelix]

I found it interesting in the vid posted in # 44 (DoubleHelix beat me to it) :) RP seemed to give the GOP a "shot across the bow".

Since he has announced he will not seek reelection I wonder if, indeed, he might actually go independent and pick up Jesse for a running mate.

Hmmmmmmm.

I can't see it happening, he's been asked a few times on air whether or not he'd consider having Jesse as a running mate and he didn't seem to take it all too seriously.

This seems to confirm it. -

http://www.dailypaul.com/168661/dr-ron-paul-promises-that-gary-johnson-or-jesse-ventura-will-not-be-his-running-mate-so-who

Dr. Ron Paul promises that Gary Johnson or Jesse Ventura WILL NOT BE his running mate. So Who?

The Ron Paul campaign has slammed Romney for not signing this pledge. The wording in this pledge also makes clear that Gary Johnson and Jesse Venture will not be considered as his possible running mate. Thank goodness!

So that begs the question.. If Ron gets the GOP nod who will his running mate be? I am still hoping for the Judge. (Andrew Napolitano) In fact, I cannot think of a better pick.

[risveglio]

I found it interesting in the vid posted in # 44 (DoubleHelix beat me to it) :) RP seemed to give the GOP a "shot across the bow".

Since he has announced he will not seek reelection I wonder if, indeed, he might actually go independent and pick up Jesse for a running mate.

Hmmmmmmm.

Ron Paul answered this question in a recent interview and plenty of times about going Third Party. Personally I think Jesse may be a little too "out there" for the general public. It took Ron Paul almost 40 years to get some respect and he only started to get some because people are sick of war and pretty much every prediction he made about our economy has become true. Independent candidates do not get on the talk shows or the news. The laws were changed after Perot did so well that it is very hard for him to get on the ballot or in the debates. Our "democrat" system is not very democratic as Ron Paul has stated numerous times.

The newest way Ron Paul supporters are trying to get his name out there is the "Blue Republicans". The idea is to get Democrats and Independents to register Republican just to vote for Ron Paul in the primary. I see this as the best way for him to be elected as most of my Democratic friends are not happy with Obama but could not see themselves voting for a Romney or Pawlenty, neither could I. If Paul could get elected and get past plenty of Demagoguery that I am sure he will get from both sides, I think he would have a legitimate chance but more importantly, he will get his message our to a wider audience. Ron Paul may or may not be the answer, but I wholeheartedly believe his message is the answer.

[risveglio]

I found it interesting in the vid posted in # 44 (DoubleHelix beat me to it) :) RP seemed to give the GOP a "shot across the bow".

Since he has announced he will not seek reelection I wonder if, indeed, he might actually go independent and pick up Jesse for a running mate.

Hmmmmmmm.

I can't see it happening, he's been asked a few times on air whether or not he'd consider having Jesse as a running mate and he didn't seem to take it all too seriously.

This seems to confirm it. -

http://www.dailypaul.com/168661/dr-ron-paul-promises-that-gary-johnson-or-jesse-ventura-will-not-be-his-running-mate-so-who

Dr. Ron Paul promises that Gary Johnson or Jesse Ventura WILL NOT BE his running mate. So Who?

The Ron Paul campaign has slammed Romney for not signing this pledge. The wording in this pledge also makes clear that Gary Johnson and Jesse Venture will not be considered as his possible running mate. Thank goodness!

So that begs the question.. If Ron gets the GOP nod who will his running mate be? I am still hoping for the Judge. (Andrew Napolitano) In fact, I cannot think of a better pick.


I agree on the Judge. I also think it would be great if he could get Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell to be part of his team. These two men make the best arguments when describing the real harm that some of our socialist programs do to the poor.

[Peace of Mind]

The Poli-tricks seem to be getting stronger these days. The great illusionists will blind you and continue to lead you a stray. Every prez has said the things people wanted to hear...EVERY last one of them, how many actually produced. Why continue with something that obviously doesn't work?

The only fix is to quit looking for figure heads to lead you. What we need is a government that is run by the people (no presidents, no congressman, no senates…). We need communities flooded with people who aren’t afraid to chase away the negative influences, who aren’t shame or neglectful to the homeless, who just simply care and show they care by their actions and not words. Any leaders should be appointed by communities and only serve as ambassadors for the purpose to converse with other communities. Until we have communities/societies where everyone walks around greeting each other with respect and enthusiasm… we will not be free or get what we truly want.

We are suppose to look out for each and every and not rely on leadership of strangers to grant us what we want. Why support a system where the leaders never get demoted as fast as they were elected. To continue to put one person in charge of the whole only proves that the masses are not ready to take on their share of responsibility. Perhaps they may even be spoiled to a point, the point where it is easy to point fingers for oil spills, animal cruelty, human suffering, greed, pride, false entitlement, etc. Most people talk about change but are willing to take the steps towards it.

The system was never designed to be fair so why support it? It’s broken way beyond repair. The dept will never be restored…it needs to be reset and people need to be held accountable. As long as people vote and never demand accountability they will forever be unknowing slaves. To have what WE seek WE need to scrap the system totally and form one that everyone (not just a few) wants. Meaning, we all must collaborate and get our hands dirty before we can cleanse the Earth of the filth so many here talk about. To expect RP to do this, or to do this alone (imo) is delusional and not worth the energy and/or hope it seems to be getting. Presidency is a setup to disempower you…no matter how you look at it. It only creates expectations that hardly ever get met, simply because we are conditioned to wait. As for me...my vote will be going to the masses. I can't continue to support a flawed sinking ship, I want results.

Peace

[T Smith]

The Poli-tricks seem to be getting stronger these days. The great illusionists will blind you and continue to lead you a stray. Every prez has said the things people wanted to hear...EVERY last one of them, how many actually produced. Why continue with something that obviously doesn't work?

The only fix is to quit looking for figure heads to lead you. What we need is a government that is run by the people (no presidents, no congressman, no senates…).

Peace

The best way to achieve this, in my view, is to dismantle the huge (and corrupt) government that for all intents of purpose runs every aspect of all our lives, at the very expense of our lives. Let's legalize freedom. Perhaps a leader like RP might serve as a transition to this kind of civilization., but yes, we need to stop relying on politicians and take responsibility for ourselves.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

I am not Ron Paul so how do I know if he is a constructed image or a real man?

How do YOU?

Someone said there is no alternative... but there is... most of us are already seeing the connections for the new systems forming, and it IS in community building, in openness, in honesty, this all can be seen quite political... but it has to start locally.. if you skip the step from being organized and responsible within and without yourself and go straight to voting for some man who will run the entire country, you fail. first take care of yourself by getting as off the grid as possible, then draw others near you to support you, and organize within that small community, then invite the neighbors...

and you don't even need to waste your time bringing down the old, or replacing it, it will happen on its own. don't even bother with the old system just move forwards

[T Smith]

I am not Ron Paul so how do I know if he is a constructed image or a real man?

How do YOU?

Someone said there is no alternative... but there is... most of us are already seeing the connections for the new systems forming, and it IS in community building, in openness, in honesty, this all can be seen quite political... but it has to start locally.. if you skip the step from being organized and responsible within and without yourself and go straight to voting for some man who will run the entire country, you fail. first take care of yourself by getting as off the grid as possible, then draw others near you to support you, and organize within that small community, then invite the neighbors...

and you don't even need to waste your time bringing down the old, or replacing it, it will happen on its own. don't even bother with the old system just move forwards

I agree entirely... but what do you do when taking local action is illegal because of an overbearing police state, e.g. planting a vegetable garden in your front yard? Or trading with your neighbor raw milk or fresh eggs for a loaf of bread? When you reduce it all down, TPTB will frown upon independence at the local level and an overbearing Federal government will consider any such action criminal. I for one have no problem supporting someone willing to dismantle that kind of oppressive system while we work toward the type of society your envision.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Interestingly the Feds 99 year charter expires around 23rd of December 2012.The 2012 US election is on November 6th 2012.Mr Paul might be the right man at the right time.

Don't get too excited ponda. Obama will be president until January 20, 2013. He will most likely be programmed to renew the charter.

well you didn't read the fine print, there is no expiration we extended it indefinitely until Congress votes to stop it and pay the $450M to buy back our country...

so the only ones capable of stopping it is...

The Republicans, Ron Paul is there jumping up and down saying do it now do it now!!!

but their Master's won't let them do something good for the country...


tell ya what, if you really want Obama out, pass the closure of Fed act and put it on his desk for signature...


If he VETOs it you will know and can use it against him...

[Charlie Pecos]

Your judgement is premature. I never claimed Ron Paul was going to be the next President, or even one of the candidates showcased to the sheep by the various shepherds pulling the strings (to employ your terms). If Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, we can revisit this discussion and determine then whether or not Ron Paul is part of a larger problem/reaction/solution cycle, by design, or a genuine anomoly who has somehow siezed an unlikely position despite the objectives of those orchestrating events. It is way too soon to cry foul at this stage, and especially for the reason (unless I am misinterpreting your words) because we were all duped the last time around so that must disqualify the intentions of Ron Paul (or any other politician) by default. That logic is somewhat thin considering the cycle of broken promises by politicians is almost as probable as the rising sun and goes back decades and well before Barack Obama was even born. I'm also on record countless times saying it is unlikely Ron Paul will succeed for the very reasons you discuss, so I'm not quite sure where we are at odds in this discussion.

I am also not marginalizing your position at all. I'm merely pointing out that you may be misinterpreting the dynamic of what is going on here. Other than that, I don't think we are in disagreement.

Best Regards,
T Smith

No worries:)

But I think you might have misunderstood me in one area. For me, this isn't about Obama. He is just the latest, soon to be followed up by another. For me, it took a horrible turn for the worse when they killed Kennedy. (You could successfully argue that it happened long before then) It hasn't gotten better since.

But let's be clear here. There are certain traits one needs to have in order to be a carpenter. One must be able to read a tape measure. One must be able to read blue prints. One must be able to visualize something before it even exists. And of course one must know which end of the hammer to hold. If one cannot do these things, he is not a carpenter.

ALL politicians lie.
ALL politicians are for sale.
ALL politicians are self serving.
If not, they would not be politicians.

By promoting Ron Paul or any politician for that matter, you are promoting a continuation of the control paradigm- the left/right duality. Do you know why it is necessary to have two parties? Why not one party? How about 12? Because it keeps peoples minds in an us versus them paradigm. Because if we ever figured out we have more in common than we have differences, their way of life would be OVER. They win their game because we keep playing. As soon as we quit playing, it's game over- for them.

Most people have been so conditioned, so brainwashed and manipulated, they cannot conceive of a reality in which there is no government, there are no wars, no politicians, no monetary system, no banks, no corporations, no police, and no need for anyone to control anyone else. They would be dumbfounded to visit a society in which everyone works together to have everything they need and no one person is above another. This is the world I see in my minds' eye. A world where a gardener is just as valued and important to the community as the renowned surgeon, each fulfilling his role to society to the best of his ability. It's right there for the taking, all we have to do is figure out how to get there. Peace and prosperity for all. Like building a house, one must first envision it before taking the steps to bring it into reality.

Social ills- GONE. Scarcity- GONE. Control- GONE. Every person born is encouraged to become what and who they were meant to be, not prevented from doing so because they couldn't pay. How many brilliant minds and ideas have been lost just because they couldn't pay?

Oh, and one more thing- Jaded? Really?
All this time I thought I was disenfranchised! :P

[onawah]

New evidence confirms dentists controlled statements by CDC on fluoridation toxicity concerns

http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/new-evidence-confirms-dentists-controlled-statements-by-cdc-on-fluoridation-toxicity-concerns/

Press Release from The Lillie Center, Inc. (Ellijay GA)
June 22, 2011

New evidence confirms dentists controlled statements by CDC on fluoridation toxicity concerns

Another King family member speaks out as Fluoridegate scandal builds in Atlanta

Ellijay, GA – Swirling questions about conflicts of interest and improper influence grew rapidly today as Freedom of Information Act documents showed that since the 1970s, dental health professionals alone in the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) have controlled the agency’s stance supporting water fluoridation.

A response to a request for the names and job descriptions of all persons in CDC that have had input into CDC’s decision to support fluoridation listed no CDC toxicologists, minority health professionals, experts in diabetes, or others outside the Oral Health Division.

CDC says its administrative structure is set up to address what the agency calls “cross cutting issues.” Yet only CDC’s directors of oral health were listed over several decades as being responsible for the agency’s fluoridation stance, a disquieting disclosure for water, health, and political leaders that believed CDC utilized its broad array of internal expertise in assessing research on whole-body, outside-the-mouth harm from fluoridation.

The documentation intensifies focus on the motivations behind CDC’s and EPA’s fluoride safety statements that appear at odds with current scientific knowledge.

After a 2006 report from the National Research Council documented extensive amounts of basic research never conducted on whole-body fluoride impacts, CDC continued promoting fluoridation while stating on its website, “Extensive research conducted over the past 60 years has shown that fluoridation of public water supplies is safe and effective for all community residents.”

The disclosures come as yet another prominent member of the Atlanta black community is calling for a halt to water fluoridation and highlighting concerns about the CDC’s role in promoting it.

Alveda King, nationally known minister and niece of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., joins the civil rights leader’s daughter, Bernice King, former Atlanta mayor and U.N. ambassador Andrew Young, and civil rights leader and minister Dr. Gerald Durley in drawing attention to risks from fluoridation.

Alveda King posted information on her blog today. “The Centers for Disease Control has clearly been trying to preserve fluoridation at all costs, but the facts about fluoride harm are coming out anyway,” she says.

”This is a civil rights issue,” she continues. “No one should be subjected to drinking fluoride in their water, especially sensitive groups like kidney patients and diabetics, babies in their milk formula, or poor families that cannot afford to purchase unfluoridated water. Black and Latino families are being disproportionately harmed.”

A growing body of published research shows that minorities, kidney patients, diabetics, babies and seniors are particularly at risk for harm from ingested fluorides.

Law firms are now reviewing old and new documents believed to highlight a pattern of attempts to curtail discussions on fluoride toxicity and downplay the importance of professionals personally reviewing scientific reports about fluorides.

One such document is an explosive transcript of a 1951 meeting of state dental directors on file at the Library of Congress.

State dental leaders at the meeting were encouraged to promote fluoridation were told, “The question of toxicity is on the same order. Lay off it altogether. Just pass it over. ‘We know there is absolutely no effect other than reducing tooth decay,’ you say, and go on. If it becomes an issue, then you will have to take it over, but don’t bring it up yourself.”

A white paper issued by the American Dental Association in 1979 stated that, “Individual dentists must be convinced that they need not be familiar with scientific reports of laboratory and field investigations on fluoridation to be effective participants in the promotion program and that nonparticipation is an overt neglect of professional responsibility.”

“I think it’s pretty clear that the public, the media, and health providers were given soothing talking points about fluoridation, and in many cases dissuaded from personally looking at toxicity data,” says Daniel G. Stockin, a career public health professional who is opposed to fluoridation.

“How can CDC oral health professionals in a department that has promoted fluoridation for decades be objective, let alone competent to assess research and draw conclusions about the toxicity of fluorides on thyroid glands, kidneys, and the pineal gland?” he asks.

“There is a reason we’re seeing calls for Fluoridegate investigations,” Stockin continues. “The legal community and the media are waking up to this. I believe jurors will see a clear pattern of disinformation, half-truths, misdirection, and omission of critical material facts concerning harm from fluoridated drinking water.”

Reference Links / Sources:

• Freedom of Info. Act Request & Response: http://spotsonmyteeth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/FOIA-use-send-ylw.pdf

• CDC statement on structure set up to address cross cutting issues: http://cdc.gov/about/organization/cio.htm

• CDC’s “60 years of extensive research” statement (see “Safety and Fluoridation”) : http://www.sboh.wa.gov/Meetings/2010/06-09/docs/Tab16h-Fluoridation_CDC_FAQs.pdf

• Alveda King blog: see June 22, 2011 post at: http://www.priestsforlife.org/africanamerican/blog/ Direct link: http://www.priestsforlife.org/africanamerican/blog/index.php/spotsonmyteeth-com-reveals-controversial-fluoride-issue

• National Research Council report on fluorides: see “Susceptible Subpopulations” pp. 350-51: http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11571&page=350 Harm to minorities – see Table 23 from CDC MMWR publication and other research references at: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/06/05/poor-and-minority-americans-disproportionately-harmed-by-fluoride.aspx

• Transcript of 1951 meeting of state dental directors (see p. 23): http://www.nofluoride.com/PDF/State%20Dental%20Directors.pdf Original document on file at Library of Congress: call number RK21.C55 LC, control no.: 59062243, LCCN permalink: http://lccn.loc.gov/59062243 Meeting name: Conference of the State and Territorial Dental Directors with the Public Health Service and the Children’s Bureau. Main title: Proceedings. Published/Created: [Washington] U. S. Dept. of Health, Education, and Welfare.

• ADA White Paper on Fluoridation: see bottom p. 10: http://fluoridealert.org/ada.white.paper.1979.html

• Atlanta leaders on fluoridation: Bernice King Facebook page, see May 10, 2011 post: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Be-A-King/222731605570; Rev. Durley and Ambassador Young:
http://spotsonmyteeth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Letter-to-Georgia-Legislators-from-Ambassador-Andrew-Young.pdfhttp://spotsonmyteeth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/durley-ltr-bw-PDF2.pdf

• Fluoridation Litigation Article in American Association for Justice newsletter: http://www.justice.org/cps/rde/xchg/justice/hs.xsl/14815_14817.htm

[T Smith]

Your judgement is premature. I never claimed Ron Paul was going to be the next President, or even one of the candidates showcased to the sheep by the various shepherds pulling the strings (to employ your terms). If Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, we can revisit this discussion and determine then whether or not Ron Paul is part of a larger problem/reaction/solution cycle, by design, or a genuine anomoly who has somehow siezed an unlikely position despite the objectives of those orchestrating events. It is way too soon to cry foul at this stage, and especially for the reason (unless I am misinterpreting your words) because we were all duped the last time around so that must disqualify the intentions of Ron Paul (or any other politician) by default. That logic is somewhat thin considering the cycle of broken promises by politicians is almost as probable as the rising sun and goes back decades and well before Barack Obama was even born. I'm also on record countless times saying it is unlikely Ron Paul will succeed for the very reasons you discuss, so I'm not quite sure where we are at odds in this discussion.

I am also not marginalizing your position at all. I'm merely pointing out that you may be misinterpreting the dynamic of what is going on here. Other than that, I don't think we are in disagreement.

Best Regards,
T Smith

No worries:)

But I think you might have misunderstood me in one area. For me, this isn't about Obama. He is just the latest, soon to be followed up by another. For me, it took a horrible turn for the worse when they killed Kennedy. (You could successfully argue that it happened long before then) It hasn't gotten better since.

But let's be clear here. There are certain traits one needs to have in order to be a carpenter. One must be able to read a tape measure. One must be able to read blue prints. One must be able to visualize something before it even exists. And of course one must know which end of the hammer to hold. If one cannot do these things, he is not a carpenter.

ALL politicians lie.
ALL politicians are for sale.
ALL politicians are self serving.
If not, they would not be politicians.

By promoting Ron Paul or any politician for that matter, you are promoting a continuation of the control paradigm- the left/right duality. Do you know why it is necessary to have two parties? Why not one party? How about 12? Because it keeps peoples minds in an us versus them paradigm. Because if we ever figured out we have more in common than we have differences, their way of life would be OVER. They win their game because we keep playing. As soon as we quit playing, it's game over- for them.

Most people have been so conditioned, so brainwashed and manipulated, they cannot conceive of a reality in which there is no government, there are no wars, no politicians, no monetary system, no banks, no corporations, no police, and no need for anyone to control anyone else. They would be dumbfounded to visit a society in which everyone works together to have everything they need and no one person is above another. This is the world I see in my minds' eye. A world where a gardener is just as valued and important to the community as the renowned surgeon, each fulfilling his role to society to the best of his ability. It's right there for the taking, all we have to do is figure out how to get there. Peace and prosperity for all. Like building a house, one must first envision it before taking the steps to bring it into reality.

Social ills- GONE. Scarcity- GONE. Control- GONE. Every person born is encouraged to become what and who they were meant to be, not prevented from doing so because they couldn't pay. How many brilliant minds and ideas have been lost just because they couldn't pay?

Oh, and one more thing- Jaded? Really?
All this time I thought I was disenfranchised! :P

Of course. I again concur with your analysis and understand your points.

But let's take the conversation one level deeper.

Consider:

Suppose a "disenfranchised" philosopher not too unlike you or me, say someone like a Plato, a Hegel, or a Marx, who fully understands the left/right control paradigm and many of the other controlling mechanisms that enslave humanity, decided to embrace a utopian philosophy and also the necessary action to help put the philosophy of utopia into play, instead of just thinking about it. Suppose said philosopher had a fairly good grasp of many of the forces that have cast the current matrix upon humankind, be them originating from 3-d reality or from intra/extra dimensional reality. Now suppose said disenchanted philosopher, who had come to the very epiphany that Charlie Pecos has also come to about the controlled reality, focuses her or his life's work on a remedy to that which she/he believes ails humanity.

Isn't this what we all do to various degrees? You yourself have done so at the climax of your point. You have imagined a world of peace and prosperity for all, which is the first step to actualization. You are bandying your vision of this world on the Avalon forum, among other places I'm sure, presumably to play a role in its realization.

Marx, the philosopher, also envisioned a detailed utopian philosophy in his head, which was then co-opted by the political process, i.e. the Bolsheivicks (who were funded and sponsored by the Rockefellers/Rothchilds). We might ask an interesting question: what kind of revolution might have occurred if Marx's vision (or any other plan for utopia) were executed by the people of the world, instead of the controllers of the world? I assert the people would execute the plan to achieve a true utopia for humanity, whereas the controllers would execute the plan, via their various assets and double-speak methods, to enslave humanity. Enslavement is Utopia. In a overarching nutshell, this is one of the core struggles that defines the human condition.

From the website
http://users.erols.com/jonwill

Every human institution has a guiding mission statement or philosophy. Yet there is no specific global plan for Humanity's future. Without a plan, happenstance determines destination. Instead of leaving its fate up to chance, Humanity should select its own destination. Since Utopia is the best Humanity can perceive, Utopia should be Humanity's guiding philosophy. This ultimate philosophy of striving for the best life possible for everyone, can be one global element of common sense and common purpose in an otherwise complex and fragmented world. Utopian philosophy can be the goal that unites the world for good and noble actions.


In my judgement Ron Paul is just this type of philosopher as the hypothetical philosopher described above, and regardless of how articulate or able Ron Paul is at espousing it, he is nonetheless espousing a philosophy I strongly support and believe in. Am I then confusing my understanding of the philosophy Ron Paul advocates (admittedly on a political platform), also shared by Ghandi, Martin Luther King, John Lennon and others, with corrupted political posturing, the ultimate result of which only perpetuates the controlled system? Perhaps. And that's where your point comes to play.

We might render that which differs in our shared understanding of the world to this: I might best understand Ron Paul furthering a very transparent philosophical agenda employing a political role, while you might best understand Ron Paul furthering a transparent political agenda employing a philosophical role. I do understand and agree with your point that the ladder dynamic only perpetuates the false left/right paradigm, hence your judgement not to promote or support any politician. But what if, just what if, the former is what is happening here? What if a bonafide philosopher (and not even a philosopher of original thought, but rather an ordinary man, like you or me) is engaged in the occupation of co-opting the wretched political system to execute a philosophical position? When you think about it, that is the most pure definition of what a "revolution" is. Revolutions are usually executed not by one man, but by many with similar proclivities. So is talk of what appears to me an attempt at revolution, per the aforementioned definition, just naive nonsense, delusion, wishful thinking, gullible judgements, brainwashing and conditioning to perpetuate the very system itself, or could some kind of genuine attempt at a revolution be the dynamic at play? I grant the validity of the question and I understand the demagogic aspect to this, but at the same time I can't say that I don't judge Ron Paul to be one engaged in the incipient stages of a revolutionary movement. It also so happens that I do support and promote the philosophical position undergirding this movement, so it may seem from my various posts that I am adopting a demagogic stance and am promoting the political process (or even the "so-called" revolution) where in practice I am really just supporting the philosophy. In my view, the results of this philosophy are not so far off from the philosophical world you envision, wherein social ills are gone, control is gone, and every person is born to become what and who they were meant to be. I honestly have no idea how the underlying philosophy might play out in the political arena, and I have said over and over the revolution we are talking about here is more an intellectual curiosity, at this stage in any case, and is quite unlikely to go too far given the degree and scope of power controlling the system.

The founding fathers of America were architects of philosophy, not politicians. They got many things right, and yet when put into practice, they established a form of government rife for many things wrong. Ron Paul is sown of the same cloth as Locke and Jefferson. He is an architect of philosophy. When enough people embrace the philosophy (not necessarily the architect) we won't need the political process or even politicians anymore, and the world in your mind's eye, e.g. no government, no wars, no politicians, no monetary system, no banks, no corporations, no police, and no need for anyone to control anyone else, can and will materialize.

[Charlie Pecos]

T Smith you write very eloquently and I admire your perseverance.

So, let me try to understand what you have written here.

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for peace and prosperity. Vote for Ron Paul, and all the wars will end.

Vote for Ron Paul, and the control paradigm comes crashing down.

Forgive me if I seem a bit reticent about sharing your view of Ron Paul.

There is a universal law that states what goes around, comes around. The universe is in constant motion, however, things are never allowed to be one way for too long. The flow must return to it's originating point, travel beyond that point, and then return again. This is how balance is maintained (balance also being a universal law). Such is the flow of life. The control paradigm will come to an end- for a while. Not because I say so, but because universal law decrees it. Understand that universal law is more like a blueprint or design specification than an actual "law". Everything that occurs here is a direct result of these laws, including that which is manipulated into being a gross distortion of the intention of said laws.

This is my "truth". Avalon is the only place I speak of it. When I leave here, I will not speak of it anywhere other than to those few who are ready to hear, who desire to know- just as I have. I don't expect much, the seekers are few and the indoctrination held by most far exceeds any real progress one man can make. The more I learn, the more quiet I become. Such is the nature of our world.

Best wishes to you T Smith :)

[Calz]

Heck I am so impressed with the "presidential debate" going on here that perhaps Charlie and T Smith should form a ticket and run themselves. :nod:

They certainly show a lot more insight than a great number of politians :)

[T Smith]

T Smith you write very eloquently and I admire your perseverance.

So, let me try to understand what you have written here.

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for peace and prosperity. Vote for Ron Paul, and all the wars will end.

Vote for Ron Paul, and the control paradigm comes crashing down.

Forgive me if I seem a bit reticent about sharing your view of Ron Paul.

There is a universal law that states what goes around, comes around. The universe is in constant motion, however, things are never allowed to be one way for too long. The flow must return to it's originating point, travel beyond that point, and then return again. This is how balance is maintained (balance also being a universal law). Such is the flow of life. The control paradigm will come to an end- for a while. Not because I say so, but because universal law decrees it. Understand that universal law is more like a blueprint or design specification than an actual "law". Everything that occurs here is a direct result of these laws, including that which is manipulated into being a gross distortion of the intention of said laws.

This is my "truth". Avalon is the only place I speak of it. When I leave here, I will not speak of it anywhere other than to those few who are ready to hear, who desire to know- just as I have. I don't expect much, the seekers are few and the indoctrination held by most far exceeds any real progress one man can make. The more I learn, the more quiet I become. Such is the nature of our world.

Best wishes to you T Smith :)

Nicely said. Although I won't go so far to say a vote for Ron Paul will equate to a vote for peace and prosperity. What sane commentator would dare put that kind of stock in the political system?

I will say, however, that embracing the ideals Ron Paul stands for establishes a counter vector to the motional flow of the control paradigm. Perhaps my "persistent" embrace of this ideal is but the flow of universal law calling, through my consciousness, for balance....

[Calz]

One of the very few things that gave me pause on something RP said was when he was trying to make the case for a dollar per dollar savings to the budget by bringing home the troops.

Having the troops abroad and "in the face" (being polite here) was the muscle behind the "blackmail" intimidating most of the rest of the world into using american "petro dollars" as the world currency for so many years.

Take away the "muscle" and you take away your leverage.

The American economy would have never gotten to where it was (clearly past tense) without it.

RP has been in the system for long enough to understand that.

I certainly endorse bringing home the war machine (better late than never) and the days of the petro dollar are about done anyway.

[T Smith]

One of the very few things that gave me pause on something RP said was when he was trying to make the case for a dollar per dollar savings to the budget by bringing home the troops.

Having the troops abroad and "in the face" (being polite here) was the muscle behind the "blackmail" intimidating most of the rest of the world into using american "petro dollars" as the world currency for so many years.

Take away the "muscle" and you take away your leverage.

The American economy would have never gotten to where it was (clearly past tense) without it.

RP has been in the system for long enough to understand that.

I certainly endorse bringing home the war machine (better late than never) and the days of the petro dollar are about done anyway.

You are correct. Bringing home the troops would have to coincide with monetary system reform as well, e.g. some system of sound money. As it stands, the American Empire serves the interests of politicians who, not unlike heroin addicts, must prop up the fiat currency system via military force so to support their bloated and parasitical being, as much as it supports the criminal objectives of the military industrial complex.

This is a perfect example of how the NWO/military industrial complex is in league with Washington.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I must say I am quite impressed with what's happening here. I have neither the eloquence or deep understanding of our monetary or political system that Charlie and T. Smith possess, but I do have planted somewhere in my mind or body template some deep-seeded love for the U.S. and it's original mission (now usurped) and have spent many hours pondering how we could get this country back on track.

What I believe I'm seeing played out here is 2 minds who want the same thing, but one who has lost his belief that it could happen and the other who still has a glimmer of hope however dim that it could happen.

Of course we all know the old divide and conquer trick, but at some level we are so programmed to fight or disagree amongst ourselves that it seems to me we've lost some of our ability to even see when someone is agreeing with us ~ or perhaps we've just become addicted to the debate.

But what if we come up with some simple thing that every U.S. citizen could agree on and then make the effort to get enough signatures in every state to get it on the ballet. Something like: Congress no longer has their own retirement program, that they must participate in Social Security like the rest of us and all the funds now held in their golden glove program are transferred to Social Security. Plus henceforth, any law concerning Congress's entitlements can not be passed by them and must be put to a general vote to the public.

I think everyone would embrace the above, or something like it. It would help us all to unite towards one common goal. I realize this isn't anywhere near a complete solution, but it would be a beginning to unite us against them instead of us against us. Until we join hands and let go of our labels (Democratic, Republican, Green Party, etc) we keep ourselves mired in the mud.

Okay you great thinkers - and you are. Come up with that one thing if you didn't like my suggestion - and lets put our heads together to find out how to get it on the ballet and spread the word.

[Charlie Pecos]

Well, Ba-ba-ra, that is definitely a step in the right direction.
Let's add:

1) Health care just like all of us working stiffs (oh, wait, I don't have any health care). OK, no health care for them until we ALL have it, at which time they will receive the SAME health coverage.

2) Only ONE term per politician. No salary over what the average teacher makes. No private sector jobs for you after your term. You serve your term and then return to your original profession. No Pension, no retirement- just like the rest of us.

3) NO MORE CORPORATE WELLFARE! Corporations are NOT people, they are run by people, and as such cannot enjoy the same rights and freedoms.

4) End the black budget NOW!

5) Certainly not least: Reinstate all constitutional provisions back to their original construction. Outlaw all avenues to to alter it.

6) Abolish the federal reserve.

7) Abolish the CIA, NSA, TSA, ...........Oh, heck just abolish all of the alphabet agencies!

8) Complete overhaul of the education system. No more standardized one-size-fits-all curriculum and tests. Among the chief concern would be to teach every child about the spiritual side to their being. Each child would be observed and questioned as to their interests, then the curriculum would follow them in the path they are to take.

9) Oh what the heck!- Just abolish Governments, corporations, banks, psychopaths, fossil fuels, scarcity, war, etc, etc.

There's more, I could go on for days. :)



I must say I am quite impressed with what's happening here. I have neither the eloquence or deep understanding of our monetary or political system that Charlie and T. Smith possess, but I do have planted somewhere in my mind or body template some deep-seeded love for the U.S. and it's original mission (now usurped) and have spent many hours pondering how we could get this country back on track.

What I believe I'm seeing played out here is 2 minds who want the same thing, but one who has lost his belief that it could happen and the other who still has a glimmer of hope however dim that it could happen.

Of course we all know the old divide and conquer trick, but at some level we are so programmed to fight or disagree amongst ourselves that it seems to me we've lost some of our ability to even see when someone is agreeing with us ~ or perhaps we've just become addicted to the debate.

But what if we come up with some simple thing that every U.S. citizen could agree on and then make the effort to get enough signatures in every state to get it on the ballet. Something like: Congress no longer has their own retirement program, that they must participate in Social Security like the rest of us and all the funds now held in their golden glove program are transferred to Social Security. Plus henceforth, any law concerning Congress's entitlements can not be passed by them and must be put to a general vote to the public.

I think everyone would embrace the above, or something like it. It would help us all to unite towards one common goal. I realize this isn't anywhere near a complete solution, but it would be a beginning to unite us against them instead of us against us. Until we join hands and let go of our labels (Democratic, Republican, Green Party, etc) we keep ourselves mired in the mud.

Okay you great thinkers - and you are. Come up with that one thing if you didn't like my suggestion - and lets put our heads together to find out how to get it on the ballet and spread the word.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Charlie, I know, I could go on for days as well, but here's the thing. If we choose just one thing we can all agree on - and then do it - the victory will not only give us impetus to go on the the next thing, but will create a bond between us rather than the chasm that now exists. If we begin listing everything, will begin the bickering again as someone will find one thing they don't like - and here we go again.

Come on gang - let's find that one thing - and then take steps to do something about it, rather than just venting to each other.

[DoubleHelix]

Agreed ... but again ... how to get "there" from "here"???

Easy for all of us to sit around the campfire and agree about what is wrong ... coming up with a solution ... ah now there is the quandry.

Calz statement is rather pertinent to the RP scenario in addition to most of the "problems" discussed on Avalon.

If we spent the same amount of time discussing "solutions" as we do to the "problems" then maybe we'd make a bit of headway to a brighter future.

Identify the problem - Discuss the solution(s) - Implementation

Our reliance on an external source to "look after us" has proved detrimental time and time again, the puppet-masters won't allow a shining knight within there monopoly.

[Charlie Pecos]

Hi Ba-ba-ra-

Well, that's the trick now ain't it? :) Find something we can all agree on and then act on it without endless debate devolving into endless bickering.
The one thing we fight that we can't seem to get a grasp on is our own human nature. :P
I just wonder what a civilization looks like that teaches it's children the true nature of their spiritual being, a society that encourages them and guides them through the awakening process before they have had all of their natural gifts programmed away.

For me personally, that one thing has been to actively seek out. In seeking out, I learned to turn inward. And in turning inward, I have come to a level of expanded awareness I had not previously known. I continue my quest in that direction. I come here to learn and to share what I have learned, with those I know who have a greater probability of understanding. Perhaps the time will come when we may talk like this with everyone we know.

I think by being who we are and participating in the ways that we do, this is what makes the difference.
In short, what we do here is our way of taking those steps. Our interactions change us, as do our interactions with others change them, slowly, imperceptibly, but change does happen.
Perhaps we grow a garden and share our bounty with others. Perhaps we are more compassionate and caring of others. The important thing to realize is that we are all making changes in very small and subtle ways, but those ways add up. Just because we can't quantify it and chart it here on the forum does not mean it is not happening. We humans tend to be a bit impatient.

My God, how substantial is it to realize we are all connected, that there is no separation, and that duality is an illusion? Sometimes I can hardly believe that I actually grasp that concept.
We choose duality but duality involves karma. Uh oh, there's the trap! Oh No! How do we get out!? By coming back to the realization that there is no "good and there is no "evil", everything just "is". When our minds finally understand this, then our actions will naturally embody our thoughts, our knowledge. Why must there be war? Because there is a duality.
No duality= Unity= no war, only peace. When the two become one, then will we know peace.

If there are two opposing forces, there will always be a conflict. One cannot exist without the other. If those two opposing forces came to embrace each others perspective, they would then have full knowledge. They would choose to drop their fight as they would then see no conflict. They would recognize each other as the same as themselves.

Sorry, a bit off topic and long winded. :)

I believe it was Jesus who said: "Congratulations to he who has found the end, for he has also found the beginning." The beginning of course is The Source. That from which all life has manifest.

[T Smith]

Charlie, I know, I could go on for days as well, but here's the thing. If we choose just one thing we can all agree on - and then do it - the victory will not only give us impetus to go on the the next thing, but will create a bond between us rather than the chasm that now exists. If we begin listing everything, will begin the bickering again as someone will find one thing they don't like - and here we go again.

Come on gang - let's find that one thing - and then take steps to do something about it, rather than just venting to each other.

Hmmm... how about the principal of the rule by law? e.g., the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights, etc.? Something like the original U.S. Constitution? If we can agree to a rule by law, the law of the land should transcend any person or entity or government and should be fashioned by the people of civilization to guide them equitably and peacefully on their collective journeys. I would think many of us would certainly disagree on the best way to establish this law, or most certainly on the merits of the specific constitution of the law, but might we at least agree on the principal?

Our anarchist friends will disagree and debate the virtue of law itself, but I think this principal is something most people in civilized society could agree on. And while the anarchist argument has some merits, in my view the rule of law concept has much more virtue than lawlessness, and especially organized lawlessness masquerading under the guise of law, which is the system we have now.

If we are to return to a system of law, we should also design better safeguards in the law itself against the kind of infiltrations and usurpations that have long since toppled the original mission of the United States for which you and others have such a deep-seated love.

At the risk of reopening the discussion about whether this can be achieved through the lawless and corrupted political system we have (which I again disclaim would be very difficult if not impossible to do), I do find it interesting that RP shares this vision and pledges to return the government to a system of law. This provides a glimmer of hope and potential for many, despite the odds.

[Maia Gabrial]

Ron Paul has always been one of the good ones. Amazing that he has avoided corruption....not many can boast that...

[T Smith]

The way things are moving along, we'll all have a new system thrust upon us by the criminals in DC. We'll see if THEIR system works better than the one we have now....and if it doesn't meet with our expectations, let's hope we STILL have the freedom and the courage to change it....

It will work better... for them. It will give them more power and control. It will make it easier for them to manage and herd us, while the controllers, for whom they work, have their way with the planet.

[DoubleHelix]

Ron Paul > Barack Obama


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_0DHwiIVOU&feature=player_detailpage

[ViralSpiral]

"The one who cannot see that on Earth a big endeavour is taking place, an important plan, on which realization we are allowed to collaborate as faithful servants, certainly has to be blind" - Winston Churchill

[conk]

Research the beginnings of this failed experiment. Don't read it right after dinner. You may toss it back up. Sorry, sorry tale of greed and corruption. Fluoride is a waste by-product of the manufacture of aluminum and fertilizers. Alcoa is a very guilty culprit in this scenario.

[Teakai]

I'd vote for the man on those grounds alone.

[WhiteFeather]

I second that!

[TigaHawk]

I should sent Obama a letter.

Asking him if i could have a voting form for this year's election over there so i can vote for mr Ron Paul.

If asked why the hell would i want one - i'm an Aussie - Will simply reply with - the same reasons you want to try an Australian citizen for American Treason. It doesnt need to make sense, i just need to look all fancy infront of the media and chuck and adult hissy fit, right?


This world is so messed up. How can you honestly look at a tube of toothpaste and see the big warnings WARNING DO NOT INGEST CALL POISIONS HOTLINE IF FLOURIDE IS INGESTED - yet think it's great to drink in water instead of swallowing it straight out of the tube!?

[Snowbird]

If you watch Ben Bernanke's face really closely in the opening post video, you will see him valiantly trying to hold back a smile while Ron Paul explains where the trillions have gone. It is when Paul describes that the trillions have gone out to the wealthy and the global banks instead of helping the American people, that the camera pans over to B.B. and he is sitting there suppressing a smile. He deserves a NWO medal made from gold. After all, he doesn't consider gold a form of money....even though it was for multiple hundreds of years before someone in this country decided to devalue the paper dollar by removing its gold backing....which of course made the dollar absolutely worthless.

I didn't know that Paul wrote this book. I'll have to go out and get me one.

End The Fed Ron Paul visits New York Federal Reserve September 30 2009 (talking to Police) we're...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_4fKft2Luw

[loveandgratitude]

How is this guy still holding a job???????

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/195717_208200945862364_5644873_n.jpg

[Marsila]

How is this guy still holding a job???????

because he is doing just what he is told, he's working for a corporation and those who run it not for"the people".

[giovonni]

Ron Paul: "We Will Default Because The Debt Is Unsustainable"
"When a country is indebted to the degree that we’re indebted, the country always defaults. We will default because the debt is unsustainable," Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) said on the House floor today.

"If we don’t understand this, this default will not be because we don't send out the checks. We will send out the checks. It will be defaulted on because people will get their money back, or they will get their Social Security checks and it won't buy anything."

original source video/speech:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/19/ron_paul_we_will_default_because_the_debt_is_unsus tainable.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s17oUFljxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s17oUFljxQ

[Referee]

Thanks for the Heart Swelling Smile.

[giovonni]

Who owns America? Hint: It's not China
A close-up look at who holds America's debt.
http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gp3_small_article/china-yuan-dollar-2011-04-27.jpg

Truth is elusive. But it's a good thing we have math...
read more here:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/macro/u.s.-debt-ceiling-china

[Rocky_Shorz]

On February 2, 2005, President George W. Bush made Social Security a prominent theme of his State of the Union Address. One consequence was increased public attention to the nature of the Social Security Trust Fund. Unlike a typical private pension plan, the Social Security Trust Fund does not hold any marketable assets to secure workers' paid-in contributions. Instead, it holds non-negotiable United States Treasury bonds and U.S. securities backed "by the full faith and credit of the government". The Office of Management and Budget has described the distinction as follows:

These [Trust Fund] balances are available to finance future benefit payments and other Trust Fund expenditures – but only in a bookkeeping sense.... They do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits. Instead, they are claims on the Treasury that, when redeemed, will have to be financed by raising taxes, borrowing from the public, or reducing benefits or other expenditures. The existence of large Trust Fund balances, therefore, does not, by itself, have any impact on the Government’s ability to pay benefits. (from FY 2000 Budget, Analytical Perspectives, p. 337)

Other public officials have argued that the trust funds do have financial and/or moral value. "If one believes that the trust fund assets are worthless," argued former Representative Bill Archer, then similar reasoning implies that “Americans who have bought EE savings bonds should go home and burn them because they’re worthless because the money has already been spent.”[10] At a Senate hearing in July 2001, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan was asked whether the trust fund investments are “real” or merely an accounting device. He responded, “The crucial question: Are they ultimate claims on real resources? And the answer is yes.”[11]

From the point of view of the Social Security trust funds, the holdings of "special" government bonds are an investment that returned 5.5% to the trust funds in 2005.[12] The trust funds cannot resell these "special" government bonds on the secondary bond market, although the interest rate is determined based on market interest rates. Instead, the "specials" can be sold back to the government at face value, which is an advantage when interest rates are rising.

To escape paying either principal or interest on the "special" bonds held by the trust funds, the government would have to default on these obligations. This cannot be done by executive order. The Congress would have to pass legislation to repudiate these particular government bonds. This action by Congress could involve some political risk and, because it involves the financial security of older Americans, seems unlikely.[citation needed]

An alternative to repudiating these bonds would be for Congress to simply cap Social Security spending at a level below that which would require the bonds to be redeemed... link... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Trust_Fund)

so National Debt has been sold to social security at 0% interest forever, but yet we borrow at what rate to pay for them?

[Maia Gabrial]

At one time, every piece of paper money had at the bottom how much gold it represented. Yes, Mr. B, GOLD IS MONEY! You and your cronies stole it from us.

[Rocky_Shorz]

is this why President Obama isn't worried about the House not being able to come up with an answer?

one of the auto measures, that Congress can approve without the house...

[Rocky_Shorz]

link.. (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEBT_SHOWDOWN_WHITE_HOUSE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-07-26-13-14-14)


Carney stopped short of issuing a veto threat against Boehner's plan.

Carney said the Aug. 2 deadline is real and that the government has exhausted all "wiggle room" to meet its obligations.

from above quote...


To escape paying either principal or interest on the "special" bonds held by the trust funds, the government would have to default on these obligations. This cannot be done by executive order. The Congress would have to pass legislation to repudiate these particular government bonds.

anyone wondering if the paperwork is already prepared?

[Fred Steeves]

[I]Ron Paul: "We Will Default Because The Debt Is Unsustainable"
"When a country is indebted to the degree that we’re indebted, the country always defaults. We will default because the debt is unsustainable," Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) said on the House floor today.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s17oUFljxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s17oUFljxQ

As usual when Mr. Paul speaks: B R A V O !!!

[giovonni]

Thanks to all for your post and comments...

i suspect the Federal Reserve system is about to finally go down...the U.S. bond ratting is about to be downgraded...the Republicans insists on no more taxes, while Obama Administration raised their rhetoric over the weekend about the possibility of a debt default - if the debt ceiling isn't raised before August 2nd...The government can probably still meet its upcoming debt payments (about $200 billion in interest to bond holders) with cash still in the Treasury, but after that :noidea:

i suspect we have less than two months till the bubble burst :rain:

i read this last night before bed...those here might find it quite telling...the money people are getting nervous - if not down right :mad2:

http://67.19.64.18/news/2011/7-24jb.jpg

Fiat Currency Is The Bubble, Not Gold
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1311574200.php

[Ernie Nemeth]

Here's a question: Why not forgive all debt, reset all currencies and start fresh?

[Lucc30]

Another question: Why not let the :censored: banksters pay the worlds dept? They created it.

[Davidallany]

And how much money, gold and land does Mr. Ron Paul possess ?? No high level politician is clean. These guys are just playing their parts to satisfy the masses and pretend that there are still good in the government. Rehearsed in big-boys night club over Cuban cigars, cocaine and Whiskey.

[Fred Steeves]

How bout let's get down to nuts and bolts here. How bout we inform the banksters that they would do REAL well just to go off somewhere, never be heard from again, and be thankful for not being shackled in the world's deepest darkest dungeon. It can be a nice little trade, leave us with all working and top secret free energy technology, and they can git while the gittins good.

No more need for money, no more slavery to money.

Cheers,
Fred

[giovonni]

Here's a question: Why not forgive all debt, reset all currencies and start fresh?

i am with you on that my friend, but until this current (corrupt) system falls ~ those of us who live within our hearts will have to wait and see...?

“Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious.” George Orwell

The obvious for me is to start over :yes4:

[Davidallany]

How is this guy still holding a job???????
What's more? how is Ron Paul still alive? because it's just a game and orders as usual comes from upstairs. How many cheered for Bush when invading Iraq? how many cheered for Obama, the savior? these are good actors and get paid by how convincing they are. The government is rotten, rotten and corrupted beyond fixing, it has to be, for it to exists. It's required by TPTB.

[Davidallany]

Please don't fall for another trap, they are probably watching our posts and laughing, if we at Avalon fall for this cheap acting, how about the rest of the population?
acLW1vFO-2Q

[Camilo]

Mr. B and the Fed know the're running out of time, and Ron Paul is the only one with the guts to tell them the truth to their faces!

[giovonni]

i do not believe everyone serving in government is corrupt or a pon of the TPTB. i sense there are many now who are waking up, just as those of us here have. There is no doubt, we here in the United States have allowed ourselves to be film flamed by the past rhetorical words of our leaders. But - i have not been able to find anything that Ron Paul has publicly stated (as of yet) that does not resonate with me as not being truthful.

[giovonni]

A blatant set-up... :suspicious:

________________________________

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDx79YZSBo2BE4O4MXsyi2DEm1mCrhI-aeWgNTGH7-ugwgPq0P
Investors: The $1 Billion Armageddon Trade Placed Against The United States
http://etfdailynews.com/2011/07/25/investors-the-1-billion-armageddon-trade-placed-against-the-united-states/

[giovonni]

G:wof:ld Isn't M:wof:ney

Gold Breaches $1625, U.S. Credit Ratings Downgrade Now Almost Certain
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article29520.html

[giovonni]

You have to love his tenacity... :boink:

So...Lawfully speaking, a dollar is still 371 grains of fine silver.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yfT5sSqamM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yfT5sSqamM

[giovonni]

"The operative factor is not how much we allow ourselves to borrow, but how much our creditors are willing to lend" ?

Debt Deal Is A Blank Check

Posted by Peter Schiff
From FORBES
http://blogs.forbes.com/greatspeculations/2011/08/01/debt-deal-is-a-blank-check/

[giovonni]

it appears some in Congress are truly running amok and trying to destroy the U. S. Constitution...

***********

Ron Paul Sounds Alarm on “Disturbing” Super Congress

Congressman warns new all-powerful committee will ram through tax hikes

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Congressman Ron Paul warns that the all-powerful new “Super Congress” created by the vote on the debt ceiling will be used to fast-track tax increases while concentrating more power over the nation’s purse strings in the hands of the Washington elite.

As we reported yesterday, the “Super Congress,” which was approved by the House yesterday and is set to be rubber stamped in the Senate today, will establish a new level of unaccountable government, and will strip elected representatives of the right to amend legislation or filibuster on whatever issues it sees fit, not merely limited to the debt situation.

This body will have “extraordinary new powers” to quickly force legislation through both chambers, including gun control, entitlement cuts and tax hikes.

In a statement made yesterday in response to the passage of the Budget Control Act, Congressman Ron Paul expressed his alarm at the establishment of this “disturbing” new committee, and warned that it would be used to ram through tax increases.

“The legislation produced by this commission will be fast-tracked, and Members will not have the opportunity to offer amendments,” said Paul. “Approval of the recommendations of the “Super Congress” is tied to yet another debt ceiling increase. This guarantees that Members will face tremendous pressure to vote for whatever comes out of this commission– even if it includes tax increases. This provision is an excellent way to keep spending decisions out of the reach of members who are not on board with the leadership’s agenda.”

The Congressman added that the committee represents “Nothing more than a way to disenfranchise the majority of Congress by denying them the chance for meaningful participation in the crucial areas of entitlement and tax reform. It cedes power to draft legislation to a special commission, hand-picked by the House and Senate leadership.”

Indeed, the White House has already indicated that it will harness the power of the Super Congress, thereby becoming the de facto deciding 13th member, to terminate the Bush tax cuts from 2012 onwards.

As CBS News reports, Congress will be mandated to carry out an up or down vote, with no amendments allowed, on the recommendations of the super committee on December 23rd, one month after the new body completes its work, which will be focused on cutting Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

“Congress could not modify the committee’s recommendation,” reports CBS, an admission that powers ascribed to elected lawmakers that are enshrined in the Constitution are being completely gutted.

If Congress rejects the super committee’s proposals, “then automatic across the board spending cuts of at least $1.2 trillion would go into effect.”

Second Amendment organizations like Gun Owners of America fear that this new super committee of lawmakers would not stop at ruling over the debt issue, and that it could move on to target the right to bear arms by pushing legislation on “Gun owner registration, “bans on semi-automatic firearms,” and the “adoption of a UN gun control treaty.”

The fact that the establishment of a body which threatens to completely re-write over 200 years worth of constitutionally-based legislative practice has sailed through with barely a whimper of debate from politicians or the mainstream media is a damning indictment of how the Obama administration’s penchant for executive autonomy has aggressively seized control of the political process.

Once again, it is up to the grass roots to raise the alarm on this shocking development in the hope that it can later be shot down by a federal judge still familiar with the basic tenets of the constitution.

Source;
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-sounds-alarm-on-disturbing-super-congress/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91QEIenOeY0&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91QEIenOeY0&feature=player_embedded

[Rocky_Shorz]

link.. (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEBT_SHOWDOWN_WHITE_HOUSE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-07-26-13-14-14)


Carney stopped short of issuing a veto threat against Boehner's plan.

Carney said the Aug. 2 deadline is real and that the government has exhausted all "wiggle room" to meet its obligations.

from above quote...


To escape paying either principal or interest on the "special" bonds held by the trust funds, the government would have to default on these obligations. This cannot be done by executive order. The Congress would have to pass legislation to repudiate these particular government bonds.

anyone wondering if the paperwork is already prepared?

from above link


These [Trust Fund] balances are available to finance future benefit payments and other Trust Fund expenditures – but only in a bookkeeping sense.... They do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits. Instead, they are claims on the Treasury that, when redeemed, will have to be financed by raising taxes...

[giovonni]

the truth will set you free :ballchain:

***********

When a cut is not a cut
By Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) - 08/01/11

One might think that the recent drama over the debt ceiling involves one side wanting to increase or maintain spending with the other side wanting to drastically cut spending, but that is far from the truth. In spite of the rhetoric being thrown around, the real debate is over how much government spending will increase.

No plan under serious consideration cuts spending in the way you and I think about it. Instead, the "cuts" being discussed are illusory, and are not cuts from current amounts being spent, but cuts in projected spending increases. This is akin to a family "saving" $100,000 in expenses by deciding not to buy a Lamborghini, and instead getting a fully loaded Mercedes, when really their budget dictates that they need to stick with their perfectly serviceable Honda. But this is the type of math Washington uses to mask the incriminating truth about their unrepentant plundering of the American people.

The truth is that frightening rhetoric about default and full faith and credit of the United States is being carelessly thrown around to ram through a bigger budget than ever, in spite of stagnant revenues. If your family's income did not change year over year, would it be wise financial management to accelerate spending so you would feel richer? That is what our government is doing, with one side merely suggesting a different list of purchases than the other.

In reality, bringing our fiscal house into order is not that complicated or excruciatingly painful at all. If we simply kept spending at current levels, by their definition of "cuts" that would save nearly $400 billion in the next few years, versus the $25 billion the Budget Control Act claims to "cut". It would only take us 5 years to "cut" $1 trillion, in Washington math, just by holding the line on spending. That is hardly austere or catastrophic.

A balanced budget is similarly simple and within reach if Washington had just a tiny amount of fiscal common sense. Our revenues currently stand at approximately $2.2 trillion a year and are likely to remain stagnant as the recession continues. Our outlays are $3.7 trillion and projected to grow every year. Yet we only have to go back to 2004 for federal outlays of $2.2 trillion, and the government was far from small that year. If we simply returned to that year's spending levels, which would hardly be austere, we would have a balanced budget right now. If we held the line on spending, and the economy actually did grow as estimated, the budget would balance on its own by 2015 with no cuts whatsoever.

We pay 35 percent more for our military today than we did 10 years ago, for the exact same capabilities. The same could be said for the rest of the government. Why has our budget doubled in 10 years? This country doesn't have double the population, or double the land area, or double anything that would require the federal government to grow by such an obscene amount.

In Washington terms, a simple freeze in spending would be a much bigger "cut" than any plan being discussed. If politicians simply cannot bear to implement actual cuts to actual spending, just freezing the budget would give the economy the best chance to catch its breath, recover and grow.

Blog Source & Comments;
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/174717-when-a-cut-is-not-a-cut


Rep. Paul introduces bill to cancel $1.6T in debt held by Federal Reserve

By Pete Kasperowicz - 08/02/11

Rep. Ron Paul on Monday introduced legislation that would lower the federal government's debt by canceling the roughly $1.6 trillion in debt held by the Federal Reserve.

Paul has argued for the last few weeks that the idea represents a quick way to make the growing fiscal crisis more manageable. Under his bill, H.R. 2768, the $1.6 trillion that the Treasury owes to the Federal Reserve would disappear.

The Federal Reserve began buying Treasury bonds in earnest late last year as part of its effort to keep long-term interest rates down. But Paul has argued that Fed purchases of Treasury debt represent a debt that the government owes to itself, and one that also leads to an unwanted and inflationary increase in the money supply.

Paul has also said the Fed is allowing the federal government to continue a spending binge it otherwise would not be able to afford, and is forcing the Fed to print money to keep up.

"If the federal government cannot cut spending and bring the budget back into balance, the Fed undoubtedly will be forced to simply monetize trillions of dollars in Treasury debt, which is nothing more than a stealth form of default," Paul said back in May.

Paul is highly critical of the debt-ceiling agreement that the House approved Monday, and said that rather than require real cuts in spending, the bill mostly cuts planned spending levels in the future. According to the legislation, discretionary spending in 2012 would be just $7 billion less than in 2011, and in 2013 it would be just $3 billion less than 2011 before allowing increases above 2011 levels.

"No plan under serious consideration cuts spending in the way you and I think about it," Paul wrote in a piece that appeared on The Hill's Congress Blog. "Instead, the 'cuts' being discussed are illusory, and are not cuts from current amounts being spent, but cuts in projected spending increases."

Blog Source & Comments;
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/174953-rep-paul-introduces-bill-to-cancel-public-debt-held-by-the-fed

[risveglio]

And how much money, gold and land does Mr. Ron Paul possess ?? No high level politician is clean. These guys are just playing their parts to satisfy the masses and pretend that there are still good in the government. Rehearsed in big-boys night club over Cuban cigars, cocaine and Whiskey.

Is there something wrong with having money, owning gold or owning land? Ron Paul returns any unused portion of his Budget to the Treasury and is the only man in Washington that has been talking about the crimes of the Federal Government for years. If he is just another pawn of the TPTB, then they have lost it because he is walking up more people than anyone else I know, including this forum.

[Lost Soul]

The rise of gold and the Swiss franc are concurrent. It just goes to prove that the U.S. dollar is declining. Bernanke is a tool and a very good one for his masters. The U.S. dollar will soon be 50% of what it was worth two years ago when Obama was elected to office. Think of it Americans. Your money (earnings, savings, retirement) will have decreased in value by 50% and it's not going to stop dropping from there. As for non-Americans, the dollar will drag your currency down too through inflation.

Please be prepared so as not to be in the panic when the rest of the world wakes up. I share this not to incite fear, but to prevent it. Through knowledge and forewarning, one can mitigate the impact of an otherwise devastating event.

[giovonni]

The Debt Crisis Is A Trojan Horse To Cause The Fall of America http://static.infowars.com/2011/08/i/article-images/trojans.jpg
"The long transformation of America from a relatively free society into a full-fledged, technocratic police state is now complete."
http://www.infowars.com/the-debt-crisis-is-a-trojan-horse-to-cause-the-fall-of-america/

[daledo]

Ron Paul on the Super Congress


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpazmaYpJM0

[daledo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ1alAbMrMM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qpZmddhME

This is truly disgusting and they got caught doing it. FOX is caught again in a lie with deliberative deception even though they only admitted to a mix up in the tapes.

[conk]

They are scared sh*tless of Ron Paul. He brings the truth way too close to these vile blood suckers.

[Lost Soul]

The power of Murdoch (Fox) is the power to mislead.

[daledo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_w811ck9PA

Here is another with CNN bamboozling the people of Ron Paul winning the poll. They reported he received 0% and a screenshot shows 78%

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nltqJCjM_GA&feature=player_embedded

Ron Paul’s Urgent Warning On The Inevitable Collapse Of The Dollar


The Intel Hub
By Alexander Higgins – Contributing Writer
July 29, 2011

Ron Paul gives an urgent warning on the inevitable collapse of the U.S. dollar and the civil unrest that could result due to the economic collapse.

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has issued an urgent warning to the public about the possible collapse of the U.S. dollar that now appears to be inevitable due to political bickering and a dead-lock in Congress on how to deal with the nation’s debt ceiling crisis.

In the video attached to this page, Ron Paul warns that a U.S. dollar collapse followed by surging interest rates and eventual martial law will be the result of an economic collapse due to political grand standing in Washington.

He warns that only by prosecuting the Wall Street fraud that initially caused the current financial crisis and returning to a nation that follows the consitution can we recover from the impending economic collapse.

He says those moves and the immediate ending of the ponzi scheme that is known as the Federal Reserve will restore the confidence in U.S. financial markets that is needed to lead the nation back onto the path of economic recovery.

Ron Paul’s frank and sincere delivery to members of the public about the problems that the nation is facing has enabled him to quickly become the GOP favorite to run against President Obama in the 2012 presidential election.

The pentagon is already deploying 20,000 troops into the Continental U.S to deal with civil unrest due in the event of a large scale terror attack or economic collapse.

We also know that the purpose of the Fed is to support the wall street bankers and let the real economy go to hell.

In this video, Ron Paul outlines the only plan to prevent the collapse – get rid of corruption and return to the Constitution that our crooked politicians and bureaucrats continue to ignore.

In the latest polling against President Obama a survey from Harris Interactive shows run paul in a 50-50 split for the presidency in a head to head match up against the president.

A Rasmussen survey performed last week showed Paul only 4 points behind President Obama in a poll between the two.

http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/29/ron-paul%e2%80%99s-urgent-warning-on-the-inevitable-collapse-of-the-dollar/

[Lord Sidious]

You are surprised when liars do their thing, why?

[andrewgreen]

Its depressing how the system works against the good guys. How can we have a chance when it is so utterly corrupt?

[WhiteFeather]

They are scared sh*tless of Ron Paul. He brings the truth way too close to these vile blood suckers.

You took the words right outta my mouth.
Ron Rulezzz!

[daledo]

You are surprised when liars do their thing, why?

I am not surprised that they lied... I am surprised that they admitted it lol

[Referee]

Interesting Interview on MSM.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUU27CZsJDE&feature=feedu

Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUU27CZsJDE&feature=feedu

[Calz]

Absolutely ... one of the few honest voices in DC

[Lost Soul]

I believed before it was passed that the entire notion of a super-congress was unconstitutional. Our elected officials take their orders from Corporate-Wall Street, not main street. The sooner people wake up and realize that we're dealing with a two headed hydra, that is, one party with two names (Democrats and Republicans), the better. The hydra serves the illusion that the people can control their government whereas in realty they don't. We need direct democracy. If you can bank electronically, you should be able to vote electronically.

[Calz]

OMG ... the sky is falling ... the sky is falling.

About damn time ... sick of waiting ... let's bring this on :boxing:


9174

[Lost Soul]

Its depressing how the system works against the good guys. How can we have a chance when it is so utterly corrupt?

People have to wake up to the fact that politics is show business for ugly people and that the two parties are two heads of one hydra that serves its Corporate-Wall Street master. They still think there's a difference between the two parties. The majority of Americans at Avalon know that everything is controlled. We should be concentration on adapting to the current changes coming to our planet. This is more important that the reality show we call politics.

[RMorgan]

I believed before it was passed that the entire notion of a super-congress was unconstitutional. Our elected officials take their orders from Corporate-Wall Street, not main street. The sooner people wake up and realize that we're dealing with a two headed hydra, that is, one party with two names (Democrats and Republicans), the better. The hydra serves the illusion that the people can control their government whereas in realty they don't. We need direct democracy. If you can bank electronically, you should be able to vote electronically.

That´s it. Time for Government 2.0!

Instead of paying taxes to these parasites, people could easily vote on each project from their home.

[ulli]

Just found this financial astrology forecast ( you can find it on my astro thread), and the guy begins with this quote,
note the year: 1842.

“They were the world’s richest and shrewdest investors, and they rode a wave of globalization to buy bonds in a promising developing country. When that country defaulted, they were livid. The year was 1842 and the country was the United States.”
- Nicholas Kristof, in the September 20, 1998 issue of New York Times International

[Fred Steeves]

We need direct democracy.

Hi Lost Soul, I almost hit the thanks button for your post, then I saw this. There's a reason why America's founders didn't simply employ a direct democracy. Direct democracy=mob rule.

Here's a real basic example. If 51% of the people voted to reinstate slavery for black people, guess what, it becomes law. That's why they started a republic based on a set of rules. Of course that's pretty much over with now, but that's a different thread.

Cheers,
Fred

[Calz]

Just found this financial astrology forecast ( you can find it on my astro thread), and the guy begins with this quote,
note the year: 1842.

“They were the world’s richest and shrewdest investors, and they rode a wave of globalization to buy bonds in a promising developing country. When that country defaulted, they were livid. The year was 1842 and the country was the United States.”
- Nicholas Kristof, in the September 20, 1998 issue of New York Times International

... and you will see my response following your post :)

[Lost Soul]

Hi Fred,

You're right in identifying the threat of direct democracy. However, it's done in Switzerland and seems to work there. Something must be done to rein in Congress and el jefe. Both branches are controlled by Corporate-Wall Street.

LS

[Calz]

Hi Fred,

You're right in identifying the threat of direct democracy. However, it's done in Switzerland and seems to work there. Something must be done to rein in Congress and el jefe. Both branches are controlled by Corporate-Wall Street.

LS

How would you suggest to "rein in Congress"???

With the "super duper consolidated group of 13 of the highly controlled puppets" ... what do you recommend???

Swiss are not under the same conditions as the usa.

End of the day all different aspects of the illusion.

We need to start thinking in "different" mindsets if we are to "overcome".

[modwiz]

Absolutely ... one of the few honest voices in DC

I am going to nit pick your use of words here calz. ..........."few honest voices". Who, beside him, is on your short list??

BTW. I believe Ron is as honest as he can reasonably be. There are rules to the game he is in.

[Calz]

Absolutely ... one of the few honest voices in DC

I am going to nit pick your use of words here calz. ..........."few honest voices". Who, beside him is on your short list??

BTW. I believe Ron is as honest as he can reasonably be. There are rules to the game he is in.

Another "honest" member who admits to seeing a UFO, tried addressing chemtrails and so much more ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66HtLKDUW_s&feature=player_embedded

[Fred Steeves]

Another "honest" member who admits to seeing a UFO, tried addressing chemtrails and so much more ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66HtLKDUW_s&feature=player_embedded

Even though I've never agreed with hardly anything Kucinich says, I always thought he was the other "honest" politician in D.C..That was until his infamous joy ride on Air Force One during the health care debate that somehow changed his mind.

Cheers,
Fred

[Calz]

Another "honest" member who admits to seeing a UFO, tried addressing chemtrails and so much more ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66HtLKDUW_s&feature=player_embedded

Even though I've never agreed with hardly anything Kucinich says, I always thought he was the other "honest" politician in D.C..That was until his infamous joy ride on Air Force One during the health care debate that somehow changed his mind.

Cheers,
Fred

Do you know what sort of "incentive" or "threat" was issued on that plane ride???

Do you have a family??? If so ... how would you react to death threats to those people that mean more to you than anything else in this world???

He is a good man trying to survive in a jungle.

Don't underestimate what he has gone through to offer us "justice" and "truth" in a system gone wild.

[WhiteFeather]

The 2nd Amendment - Is The right to bear arms, when TSHTF we need to protect our family, it's that simple.

[etheric underground]

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK......
Its almost time to wake the sheeples up with a jolt.
BRING IT.... Ive been waiting 12 years for this.

[Referee]

Absolutely ... one of the few honest voices in DC

I am going to nit pick your use of words here calz. ..........."few honest voices". Who, beside him is on your short list??

BTW. I believe Ron is as honest as he can reasonably be. There are rules to the game he is in.

Another "honest" member who admits to seeing a UFO, tried addressing chemtrails and so much more ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66HtLKDUW_s&feature=player_embedded

It warms my Heart to know that some people still believe in These United States of America.

[58andfixed]

Paul Wins Big In GOP Straw Poll

Reid Wilson
June 18, 2011

NEW ORLEANS, La.
-- Rep. Ron Paul rode a wave of support from young activists to win a straw poll at the Republican Leadership Conference here, his latest title fueled by a group of rabidly loyal fans who have little use for the rest of the GOP field.

Paul took 612 votes out of the 1,542 ballots cast. Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman finished in second place with 382 ballots, while Rep. Michele Bachmann finished third with 191.

Cain finished fourth, with 104 ballots, followed by Romney (74), Gingrich (69), former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (41), Santorum (30), Pawlenty (18), former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson (10), former Louisiana Gov. Buddy Roemer (9) and Rep. Thad McCotter (2).

No candidate attracts the fanatic loyalty Paul does.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/06/paul-wins-big-i.php


- 58

[GlassSteagallfan]

People have to wake up to the fact that politics is show business for ugly people and that the two parties are two heads of one hydra that serves its Corporate-Wall Street master. They still think there's a difference between the two parties. The majority of Americans at Avalon know that everything is controlled. We should be concentration on adapting to the current changes coming to our planet. This is more important that the reality show we call politics.

Ron Paul gives me a sense of Hope. I will vote...if elections still occur then.

[GlassSteagallfan]

We need direct democracy.

Hi Lost Soul, I almost hit the thanks button for your post, then I saw this. There's a reason why America's founders didn't simply employ a direct democracy. Direct democracy=mob rule.

Here's a real basic example. If 51% of the people voted to reinstate slavery for black people, guess what, it becomes law. That's why they started a republic based on a set of rules. Of course that's pretty much over with now, but that's a different thread.

Cheers,
Fred

This will enlighten: An American Form of Government


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei7Xv_Z0tgI

[Fred Steeves]

Even though I've never agreed with hardly anything Kucinich says, I always thought he was the other "honest" politician in D.C..That was until his infamous joy ride on Air Force One during the health care debate that somehow changed his mind.

Cheers,
Fred

Do you know what sort of "incentive" or "threat" was issued on that plane ride???

Do you have a family??? If so ... how would you react to death threats to those people that mean more to you than anything else in this world???

He is a good man trying to survive in a jungle.

Don't underestimate what he has gone through to offer us "justice" and "truth" in a system gone wild.

Tell you what Calz, watch Obama's next State of the Union speech in January, and notice which groveling congressman is going above and beyond the call of duty to get the president's attention while he's shmoozing his way in. I'll give you three guesses.:)

Cheers,
Fred

[loveandgratitude]

SUPER CONGRESS - Council of 13. This is taken out of the text book of communism. Have a listen to this IMPORTANT radio show joining all the dots, the history in a simple time line from Russia to the take down of the USA. The lingo used is exactly the same lingo of the Russian Communist Government. Watch Out USA. Please have a listen to this radio show which produces evidence of the traitors in the Congress and the take over of the USA.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27035-The-Council-of-13-Communism-coming&p=277761#post277761

[daledo]

Absolutely ... one of the few honest voices in DC

I am going to nit pick your use of words here calz. ..........."few honest voices". Who, beside him, is on your short list??

BTW. I believe Ron is as honest as he can reasonably be. There are rules to the game he is in.

His son Rand Paul... apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Rocky_Shorz]

hey Ron you look a little lost so let me help...

the one who made the decision to lower America's credit rating is Chairman of Lloyds...

LLOYDS BANKING GROUP - Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve...

why would the Federal Reserve want to raise what we pay for money?


get your head on Ron...

[Tane Mahuta]

OMG ... the sky is falling ... the sky is falling.

About damn time ... sick of waiting ... let's bring this on :boxing:



I couldn;t have said it better myself.!! I concur let's get this madness over & done with!!



TM

¤=[Post Update]=¤


TICK TOCK TICK TOCK......
Its almost time to wake the sheeples up with a jolt.
BRING IT.... Ive been waiting 12 years for this.


Hey "EU" don't forget the $kiwi's gonna go into oblivion!! ....Are you ready?


TM

[pharoah21]

This reminds me of when Jesus refers to the end times as the birth pains of the earth. This feels like now. But with the collapse of the economy, I believe the water breaks.

Things will be more painful then ever, but we have to hold on, if we want to see the new earth, the good earth, the golden age of which we keep looking to.

Blessings

[ghostrider]

finally, all the previews and credits have scrolled by, on to the movie -ECONOMIC COLLAPSE STARRING MARTIAL LAW-WITH SPECIAL GUEST BAND -ALIEN GRAY AND THE ZETA'S- SINGING THEIR HIT SINGLE -- FAKE INVASION - FROM THE ALBUM- GOODBYE FREEDOM-- AVAILABLE ON CHANGE THE LAW FOR SECURITY FROM THE ET'S RECORD LABEL. dang I'm out of popcorn... ehumm excuse me.. the whole thing is a reptilian hybrid sham. the secret boy band illuminate really pisses me off. I'm just tired of deception, and sneaky reptilians.

[Ilie Pandia]

Wow.... this cold shower speech reminded me a lot John F. Kennedy. Abolish the Federal Reserve? Hm... that sure doesn't not sit well with the bankers.

Ron Paul forgot the most important aspect of them all: start research and development on all the free energy prototypes and keep at it until a product is ready for the market. Only then you can talk about liberty and self-reliance.

Anyhow, I am quite surprised by this speech. (And yes I've noticed the "American" flag and "Americans this and Americans that" even though this is not only an American problem :), and international banks have little to do, if anything, with borders and nationalism.).

[Calz]

Wow.... this cold shower speech reminded me a lot John F. Kennedy. Abolish the Federal Reserve? Hm... that sure doesn't not sit well with the bankers.

Ron Paul forgot the most important aspect of them all: start research and development on all the free energy prototypes and keep at it until a product is ready for the market. Only then you can talk about liberty and self-reliance.

Anyhow, I am quite surprised by this speech. (And yes I've noticed the "American" flag and "Americans this and Americans that" even though this is not only an American problem :), and international banks have little to do, if anything, with borders and nationalism.).

Good observation.

That is why the information coming forth from another current thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26243-James-Gilliland-and-Ralph-Ring-Contact-has...

... is so important and uplifting.

It appears there is "hope waiting in the wings" along that line. While we hear about help from "others" (some sources more reliable than others) it does the heart good to hear about humans with the foresight and wherewithall to be making such preparations in the background.

Let us all try to keep our spirits and vibrations high!

The "new" cannot come without the collapse of the "old."

[GlassSteagallfan]

Ron Paul talks about ending the Fed. I wonder why Dr Paul is not a co-sponsor to HR 1489 (Glass Steagall). If HR 1489 is passed, the FED, like all private banks will be audited. Since the Fed has no assets, it will be closed for business.

I'll email the doctor and ask...

[T Smith]

Ron Paul talks about ending the Fed. I wonder why Dr Paul is not a co-sponsor to HR 1489 (Glass Steagall). If HR 1489 is passed, the FED, like all private banks will be audited. Since the Fed has no assets, it will be closed for business.

I'll email the doctor and ask...

The Fed is exempt. The rules don't apply to them. Why? Because they make the rules. Even if Glass Steagall were re-instituted, it would not apply to the Fed.

For example, private banks, e.g. Goldman Sachs et. al are still subject to income taxes, even though they loop hole their way out and pay little. They are at least pretending that the rules apply to them. But the Fed doesn't even pretend. They are 100% exempt from all State, Local, and Federal taxes, and if Glass Steagall came back, they would be exempt from that to.

In short, they are above the law.

[giovonni]

Is it just me... Or does it look like his nose is growing...?

:lie:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTQi524n5TITa_ti9zeQn7-3YWgyWYj1RXIMgUBXcTujY4sLouWQ

***********

No Chance of Default, US Can Print Money: Greenspan
"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that.
So there is zero probability of default"
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44051683

[giovonni]

This comes via Michael Knight, Editor, Earth Change Report...
An essay about the "Debt Crisis That Isn't - The Crisis That Is"
http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/support-files/thecrisisthatis.pdf

[giovonni]

With the price of gold vaulting up close to nearly $1,800 (US dollars) today - note which has nearly doubled in the last three years -
i found this next item interesting - if not encouraging...?

***********

Fed Up: A Texas Bank Is Calling It Quits

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/MI-BK758_MAINST_D_20110809160815.jpg

By ROBIN SIDEL

Main Street Bank lends most of its money to small businesses and is earning decent profits.
But the Kingwood, Texas, bank is about to get out of the banking business.
read more...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904480904576498442951766826.html

[Nanoo Nanoo]

UK riots

USA is next ..

This is the tipping point.

I hope the Americans hit a target instead of each other ..

Bless

N

[ktlight]

Ron Paul is not taking the bull**** anymore, watch him just hold up his hand to stop the neocon talking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi12aVa3psc&feature=player_embedded

[Lord Sidious]

That warmonger is a clown, but he isn't funny.
THE biggest supporter of terror is his own government.
Google school of the americas.

[toothpick]

Ron Paul seems to say all the right things.
But i think its easy for him to look good in this bunch.


toothpick

[Tane Mahuta]

Go Ron...Go Ron...

Ron Paul for "Mister President! He's got my vote!

TM

[crosby]

Ron Paul is the man. he makes santorum's argument look purile. the way to get the attention of the american's is to show them WHO wants to keep throwing their money away. i am 100% behind Ron Paul.
regards, corson

[andrewgreen]

I want to watch the rest of the show now, great entertainment. If I was American ron Paul would get my vote, he is the only politician whether in the UK, Canada, Autralia or the USA speaks what he believes to be the truth without the usual B/S.

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVo6OPJjeFk&feature=player_embedded

[Referee]

Alex today talks about the conspiracy against the front runner for the GOP nomination.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82zLisxU18&feature=feedu

Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82zLisxU18&feature=feedu

[fifi]

If Ron Paul does not win the GOP nomination, can he campaign as an independent?

[Referee]

Iowa Straw Poll Speech



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txVg1C0PkLI&feature=feedu

[Lost Soul]

I doubt it. I like what he says, but that's not party line stuff that the controllers want.

The ideal ticket would be Ron Paul and Ralph Nader. Paul follows the Constitution to the letter and Nader has always looked after the interest of the people. I doubt if they can generate the revenue and overcome the negative media they will receive though.

[jackovesk]

Who Says Ron Paul Can't Win?

Here he is knocking Fox News for a 'Home-Run'..!

http://www.animationbuddy.com/Animation/Sports/Baseball/Swing.gif.............http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/sites/foxnews.com.on-air.special-report/files/live_event.jpg.............http://www.animationbuddy.com/Animation/Sports/Baseball/Throw.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL7fi0_4HzU&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtd5XeamNNQ&feature=player_embedded

[Maia Gabrial]

Just going by the title of this thread, I'd say "and send the foreign troops stationed in America back home. Services no longer needed...."

[ktlight]

Cnn And Politico Admit Ron Paul Media Conspiracy !
I could not believe the honesty here in this clip, flat out saying the media is conspiring to ignore ron after his grand Ames showing.
Also not Howard Kurtz stupid little comment but yet very honest, he said " We are in the business of kicking candidates out of the race"

I have received a pm here on youtube saying i photo shopped the Politico snap shot with in this video, i did not.I screen capped it from the website its self, neumerous blogs reported on it.
Below is a vlog from last night of a youtuber covering it while the headline was still up before they changed it.

What's Wrong With This Headline? Hmmm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vRuy0m7IjA&feature=player_embedded

[stomy]

Ron Paul, the libertarian wolf dressed in Republican clothing, blasted his fellow GOP presidential aspirants on Monday in a video that calls them the same kind of politicians as President Obama.

Paul, who finished second in the Ames straw poll just 152 votes away from winner Rep. Michele Bachmann, has an ardent following in the GOP’s libertarian wing and on the Web, where he has been a money-raising powerhouse. Despite his popularity in conservative and libertarian circles, he has had problems moving into the higher digits on the national scene though he has placed well in some polls.

Also
Ames Straw Poll: Bachmann, Pawlenty, Paul vie for top honors Ames Straw Poll: Bachmann, Pawlenty, Paul vie for top honors
Gloves come off in second GOP presidential debate Gloves come off in second GOP presidential debate
Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty raise more than $4 million in second quarter Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty raise more than $4 million in second quarter

In the video, he lumps former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Minnesota’s Bachmann together with Obama and former Speaker Nancy Pelosi as "smooth-talking politicians" caught in the games of "he said, she said."

The ad is designed to remind Republicans that Paul has always been the outsider despite representing Texas in Washington, often voting against his party on "every tax increase, every unbalanced budget" and against raising the debt ceiling. And in 2012, being an outsider is a help.

Paul is "the one who will restore liberty," the narrator intones. Paul is “the one who can beat Obama and restore America now.”

In the wake of the straw poll, the media has focused most of its attention on the trio of Romney, Perry and Bachmann, generally ignoring Paul despite his strong second-place finish. But polls have shown over the years that Paul can rise a bit beyond just being a gadfly and could play a role in the nominating process.

Perhaps more importantly, Paul has set the intellectual tone for at least part of his party and paved the way for the "tea party" movement and its strength in the GOP. He has ridden the wave of fascination with Austrian economist Friedrich Hayek and his free-market vision of small government as the road to freedom. In his video, Paul also pledged to “stop the spending, save the dollar" and "create jobs" -- the mantra in the 2012 presidential sweepstakes.

On foreign affairs, Paul said he will "bring peace," ending U.S. military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and the U.S. role along with NATO in Libya. As a libertarian, Paul has long opposed U.S. intervention abroad, putting him at odds with parts of his own party that favors a robust U.S. presence on the world scene.

The video ad is scheduled to play in Iowa and New Hampshire, where the first presidential nominating contests will be held in February.

Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-ron-paul-gop-20110816,0,1093453.story

[christian]

This grows momentum :)

OqVQ5oUkU6w

[jackovesk]

Dr. Ron Paul, whom the media have attempted to keep quietly under wraps and out of the main lights of the presidential race, continues to breakthrough mainstream media barriers. Now, as more people learn about his message, Ron Paul is reaching a tipping point which no one can ignore-- that he is the de facto frontrunner in the GOP field.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqVQ5oUkU6w&feature=player_embedded

PS - This one of the best examples of 'How' the MSM use 'Influence & Mind Control' to not only quell Libertarian Candidates like Ron Paul, but try and throw him out of the Presidential Race altogether!

I would Urge our American friends to 'Watch this Space' carefully leading up to the 2012 Elections and SEE for YOURSELF the TPTW/MSM Spin Machine in Action!

Right-Before-Your-Very-Eyes..!

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/body-binoculars/0003.gif

PSS - Ron Paul "CAN WIN"..!

[D-Day]

Yep he doesn't have a hope in hell, not without backing from David Rockerfeller anyway.... and for a decent, honest, patriot like Ron Paul that will NEVER happen!

[crosby]

morning Jack, great thread. Ron Paul is the man, however, i feel that he may be quelled as well. he is a very strong candidate. i just wish that the ptw would disappear, along with the msm. bring on the garlic and silver bullets....lol
power to the people.
regards, corson

[Lost Soul]

Ron Paul needs the American voters to wake up. So long as they get their bread (unemployment or food stamps) and circus (Jersey Shores, Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, baseball, football, basketball), they'll stay fat, dumb and happy.

[Carmen]

Congratulations Lost Soul, you have just made your 1000 post!! In case you didn't know.

[jackovesk]

Ron Paul released a new 60-second TV spot this morning.

It goes live in Iowa and New Hampshire today.

After a forceful buildup, the ad comes to a triumphant conclusion with these powerful words: “Ron Paul: The one who will stop the spending, save the dollar, create jobs, bring peace. The one who will restore liberty. Ron Paul: The one who can beat Obama – and restore America now.”

New Ron Paul TV Ad - "The One Who Can Beat Obama"
http://i4.ytimg.com/u/O3Zc0OAo1OKjyyKdUuqT-g/watch_icon.jpg?v=4d3f23cd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D58v4eiUuI

1.Restore America Now: End the Fed, Stop the Wars, Abolish the Income Tax! Date: 06/13/2011 The Keys to Economic Growth by Ron Paul Recent economic data show that...

2.To Create Jobs, Government Should Get Out of the Way! Date: 10/25/2010 Government and Job Creation by Ron Paul As the current economic downturn shows...

3.Ron Paul to Fed: Where Are the Jobs? Ron Paul appeared on Fox & Friends to talk about jobs, the Fed and the...

http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-08-16/new-ron-paul-tv-ad-the-one-who-can-beat-obama/

[jackovesk]

Jon Stewart Defends Ron Paul From Ridiculous Media Coverup


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlhFZFrR8DQ

PS - I'm no major fan of Jon Stewart's, but he's telling the Truth on this one!

...and I Thank him for that!

Wake Up America! You only have 1 simple rational "COMMONSENSE" choice for President, the MAN who started the Real Tea Party movement a few years ago Ron Paul...

[Maia Gabrial]

Okay, I have more respect for Joh Stewart.... I haven't watched FuxNews for about a year now. I watched how they slanted the news in an UNfair and Unbalanced way and couldn't take it anymore....

[Coaxial]

I hear a train coming!

[Martin]

Well, at least it's obvious enough. Hopefully enough will notice that!


Martin

[Maia Gabrial]

Ron Paul calls them as they are! But as you can see, Obama's smear campaigning has already begun. Just look at how they completely ignored him on FuxNews, CNN.... They made it seem like Ron Paul was a mirage or something; and ignored him. See how all the fabrications have begun already....?

Obama won't even come close in 2012....I hope people don't forget what he's done to mess up our country....He should just bow out and go away....

I think it was Creedo Mutwa that predicted that we'll have the first female president. God, I hope not. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a female president. But she'd have to have the honor and integrity of Ron Paul... Bachmann is just another zionist who'll get there with the corrupt backing of the zionists.... She may be the final nail in our coffin....

[Nyce555]

That's messed up. I'n not a Republican, but I do like Ron Paul. They need to give the guy a chance. I think they are afraid that American's will actually vote for him. He is a lot more realistic and down to Earth than the other candidates. I'd like to hear more coverage on Ron Paul.

[ceetee9]

Okay, I have more respect for Joh Stewart.... I haven't watched FuxNews for about a year now. I watched how they slanted the news in an UNfair and Unbalanced way and couldn't take it anymore....I hope by your statement you didn't mean to infer that MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and PBS don't slant the news in an unfair and unbalanced (unbiased) way. ;)
I don't know that I have more respect for Jon Stewart, but at least he got this piece right.

[ceetee9]

That's messed up. I'n not a Republican, but I do like Ron Paul. They need to give the guy a chance. I think they are afraid that American's will actually vote for him. He is a lot more realistic and down to Earth than the other candidates. I'd like to hear more coverage on Ron Paul.I agree. BTW: Ron Paul is a RINO (i.e., he's a Libertarian). Unfortunately, I doubt his strategy to try it this time as a Republican is going to work either as evidenced by the fact the MSM still won't give him any air time. But, hey, we all know the MSM isn't controlled by TPTB like their political butt-buddies. Right? ;)

[conk]

Ron Paul's message is being heard, whether he can win or not. He has a huge base in colleges. Young people like him a lot. As more truth comes out, expect more oppression.

[Lord Sidious]

Just remember people, voting got us all into this mess, trying to get out with the same method doesn't seem to be real smart to me.
I think that backing Ron Paul is good for awakening people, just don't expect much from the process used to put the shackles on your wrists and ankles.

[noprophet]

For what its worth john stewart was scolding fox the other night for not giving ron the coverage he deserved.

Its on hulu.com I'd link it but I'm on my phone right now. :p

[giovonni]

Ron Paul's been saying this for a long time...but now apparently its the newest in thing to do with GOP presidential hopefuls. :twitch:

***********

GOP field encroaches on Paul’s turf with sharp attacks on the Fed

By Peter Schroeder - 08/17/11

The rest of the GOP presidential field is starting to sound a lot like Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas).

Paul spent much of his political career waging a lonely crusade against the Federal Reserve,
but his attacks on the central bank are increasingly boilerplate for Republicans who, like him, hope to occupy the White House in 2013...
read more... http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/banking-financial-institutions/177281-gop-field-encroaches-on-ron-pauls-turf-with-sharp-attacks-on-the-fed

[jackovesk]

Just remember people, voting got us all into this mess, trying to get out with the same method doesn't seem to be real smart to me.


What are you suggesting Sid? Do nothing..?


I think that backing Ron Paul is good for awakening people, just don't expect much from the process used to put the shackles on your wrists and ankles.

What happened to the Fighting Irish inya Sid?

Sounds like to me, you have given up already?

My suggestion to all Americans who want their Country back from the NWO Globalists is to get involved in Ron Paul's campaign any way you can!

You WILL NOT get another chance at Liberty if he doesn't win in 2012...

Yes, they may have Rigged Diebold Electronic Voting Machines but if Ron Paul wins in a LANDSLIDE, no Electronic Voting Machine can stop it!

...and if they try to Railroad the election in favour of one of their Puppets?

That's what the 2nd Amendment is for..!

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/b/3/6/b/event_39645931.jpeg

[Lord Sidious]

Just remember people, voting got us all into this mess, trying to get out with the same method doesn't seem to be real smart to me.


What are you suggesting Sid? Do nothing..?


I think that backing Ron Paul is good for awakening people, just don't expect much from the process used to put the shackles on your wrists and ankles.

What happened to the Fighting Irish inya Sid?

Sounds like to me, you have given up already?

My suggestion to all Americans who want their Country back from the NWO Globalists is to get involved in Ron Paul's campaign any way you can!

You WILL NOT get another chance at Liberty if he doesn't win in 2012...

Yes, they may have Rigged Diebold Electronic Voting Machines but if Ron Paul wins in a LANDSLIDE, no Electronic Voting Machine can stop it!

...and if they try to Railroad the election in favour of one of their Puppets?

That's what the 2nd Amendment is for..!

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/b/3/6/b/event_39645931.jpeg

There are more ways than your way jackonugget.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't not equate with giving up.
If you wanna vote, do it, just don't expect others to do that if that is not their ''thing.''
And don't accuse people of going soft or giving up, I think I have more fight in me than ten jackonuggets, but that is my opinion.

[jackovesk]

Just remember people, voting got us all into this mess, trying to get out with the same method doesn't seem to be real smart to me.


What are you suggesting Sid? Do nothing..?


I think that backing Ron Paul is good for awakening people, just don't expect much from the process used to put the shackles on your wrists and ankles.

What happened to the Fighting Irish inya Sid?

Sounds like to me, you have given up already?

My suggestion to all Americans who want their Country back from the NWO Globalists is to get involved in Ron Paul's campaign any way you can!

You WILL NOT get another chance at Liberty if he doesn't win in 2012...

Yes, they may have Rigged Diebold Electronic Voting Machines but if Ron Paul wins in a LANDSLIDE, no Electronic Voting Machine can stop it!

...and if they try to Railroad the election in favour of one of their Puppets?

That's what the 2nd Amendment is for..!

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/b/3/6/b/event_39645931.jpeg

There are more ways than your way jackonugget.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't not equate with giving up.
If you wanna vote, do it, just don't expect others to do that if that is not their ''thing.''
And don't accuse people of going soft or giving up, I think I have more fight in me than ten jackonuggets, but that is my opinion.

Your right Sid, that is YOUR Opinion...

...nevertheless What are some of your Alternative Methods..?

Please furnish us with some of your Acumen...

[Lord Sidious]

Just remember people, voting got us all into this mess, trying to get out with the same method doesn't seem to be real smart to me.


What are you suggesting Sid? Do nothing..?


I think that backing Ron Paul is good for awakening people, just don't expect much from the process used to put the shackles on your wrists and ankles.

What happened to the Fighting Irish inya Sid?

Sounds like to me, you have given up already?

My suggestion to all Americans who want their Country back from the NWO Globalists is to get involved in Ron Paul's campaign any way you can!

You WILL NOT get another chance at Liberty if he doesn't win in 2012...

Yes, they may have Rigged Diebold Electronic Voting Machines but if Ron Paul wins in a LANDSLIDE, no Electronic Voting Machine can stop it!

...and if they try to Railroad the election in favour of one of their Puppets?

That's what the 2nd Amendment is for..!

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/b/3/6/b/event_39645931.jpeg

There are more ways than your way jackonugget.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't not equate with giving up.
If you wanna vote, do it, just don't expect others to do that if that is not their ''thing.''
And don't accuse people of going soft or giving up, I think I have more fight in me than ten jackonuggets, but that is my opinion.

Your right Sid, that is YOUR Opinion...

...nevertheless What are some of your Alternative Methods..?

Please furnish us with some of your Acumen...

You do recall asking me this before?
And getting an answer?
Go back and read that and stop grandstanding over something that neither of us have a part of.

[Calz]

I say let's put out landing beacons for the incoming Enki faction fleet then let the chips fall where they may ...

:target:

[jackovesk]

Just remember people, voting got us all into this mess, trying to get out with the same method doesn't seem to be real smart to me.


What are you suggesting Sid? Do nothing..?


I think that backing Ron Paul is good for awakening people, just don't expect much from the process used to put the shackles on your wrists and ankles.

What happened to the Fighting Irish inya Sid?

Sounds like to me, you have given up already?

My suggestion to all Americans who want their Country back from the NWO Globalists is to get involved in Ron Paul's campaign any way you can!

You WILL NOT get another chance at Liberty if he doesn't win in 2012...

Yes, they may have Rigged Diebold Electronic Voting Machines but if Ron Paul wins in a LANDSLIDE, no Electronic Voting Machine can stop it!

...and if they try to Railroad the election in favour of one of their Puppets?

That's what the 2nd Amendment is for..!

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There are more ways than your way jackonugget.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't not equate with giving up.
If you wanna vote, do it, just don't expect others to do that if that is not their ''thing.''
And don't accuse people of going soft or giving up, I think I have more fight in me than ten jackonuggets, but that is my opinion.

Your right Sid, that is YOUR Opinion...

...nevertheless What are some of your Alternative Methods..?

Please furnish us with some of your Acumen...

You do recall asking me this before?
And getting an answer?
Go back and read that and stop grandstanding over something that neither of us have a part of.


Something that neither of us have a part of?

I beg to differ Sid, we all have a part in fighting the NWO Globalists even if we are on the other side of the world...

[Lord Sidious]

Just remember people, voting got us all into this mess, trying to get out with the same method doesn't seem to be real smart to me.


What are you suggesting Sid? Do nothing..?


I think that backing Ron Paul is good for awakening people, just don't expect much from the process used to put the shackles on your wrists and ankles.

What happened to the Fighting Irish inya Sid?

Sounds like to me, you have given up already?

My suggestion to all Americans who want their Country back from the NWO Globalists is to get involved in Ron Paul's campaign any way you can!

You WILL NOT get another chance at Liberty if he doesn't win in 2012...

Yes, they may have Rigged Diebold Electronic Voting Machines but if Ron Paul wins in a LANDSLIDE, no Electronic Voting Machine can stop it!

...and if they try to Railroad the election in favour of one of their Puppets?

That's what the 2nd Amendment is for..!

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/b/3/6/b/event_39645931.jpeg

There are more ways than your way jackonugget.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't not equate with giving up.
If you wanna vote, do it, just don't expect others to do that if that is not their ''thing.''
And don't accuse people of going soft or giving up, I think I have more fight in me than ten jackonuggets, but that is my opinion.

Your right Sid, that is YOUR Opinion...

...nevertheless What are some of your Alternative Methods..?

Please furnish us with some of your Acumen...

You do recall asking me this before?
And getting an answer?
Go back and read that and stop grandstanding over something that neither of us have a part of.


Something that neither of us have a part of?

I beg to differ Sid, we all have a part in fighting the NWO Globalists even if we are on the other side of the world...

I agree with your statement.
I didn't explain myself well enough.
Neither of us are enrolled to vote there and even if I were, I wouldn't put any eggs in the election basket.
Electoral fraud is a way of doing things there just as much as it is in australia.
Hence my statement, voting got us into this mess and thinking it will get us out isn't smart thinking.
Those who control the system have more pawns ready to take the vacated seats and the pawns wear all different party names.

[Wara]

I'm planning to Write In Ron Paul if he's is not on the ballot come 2012.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

It is a shame that Ron Paul isn't getting the coverage he deserves, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he does have a very good chance at winning.

When it all boils down I can't see much changing. We have to remember,the globalists have been planning this from day dot, so there is no way that a new Prisident, no matter how well intentioned, is going to be able to do this single handedly. Even if he has the backing of the voters, if he doesn't have the numbers where it couts, nothing is going to get through.

Having said that, I want him to win, jsut to see the old bloke have a crack at the big time. He deserves nothing less. I want to see him try and take down the fed from the position of el presidente :)

PVM

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I hope Ron Paul gives up on being President and runs for mayor of San Francisco. We love him here. And the weather is nicer.

[Calz]

Well ... fwiw ... having obama elected running on a platform of bring the troops home was essentially the voice of the people speaking.

Obviously that isn't how it turned out ... but spoke of the people's wishes after the bush fiasco.

Same sort of idea for RP. Even if he gets elected despite playing against a stacked deck ... who knows how much he could do when in office.

At least AS THINGS NOW STAND ... and have in the past.

There is "change in the air" at this the "end of the cycle" and PERHAPS we can create a new reality???

If we the people are the ones "creating reality" then that truly would be "change you can believe in" ...

Gonna take something outside of the box though ... something totally new (perhaps with the support of our benevolent friends in the sky ... although we should do all we can ourselves because this is the mess we created and our responsibility to clean it up).

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I hope Ron Paul gives up on being President and runs for mayor of San Francisco. We love him here. And the weather is nicer.

Much better for his health too I would suspect ... :)

[jackovesk]

Ron Paul clobbers Rick Perry in latest poll

Texas Rep. Ron Paul is well ahead of Texas governor Rick Perry, according to the latest poll.

A poll conduced by Azimuth Research Group finds Mr. Paul leading Mr. Perry in their home state of Texas.

Answering the question, “If the Texas Republican primary were held today, which presidential candidate would you be most likely to vote for?”

22 percent of those polled selected Mr. Paul. Just 17 percent of respondents voted in favor of Mr. Perry.

The poll comes just days after Mr. Perry announced his intention to seek the Republican presidential nomination. The Texas Republican governor had hinted at an entry earlier this year, testing levels of support for his candidacy.

Meanwhile, Mr. Paul, who is facing a surge of support and attention after criticizing the media for downplaying his campaign, spent much of the weekend slamming his Republican opponents.

The Texas congressman, who finished second to Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann in last weekend’s Iowa straw poll, highlights his votes against “every tax increase, every unbalanced budget” and proclaims he is the candidate who “will stop the spending, save the dollar, create jobs” and “bring peace.”

Speaking earlier in the week, Mr. Paul lambasted Mr. Perry, saying the Texas Republican is an extension of the Republican establishment.

“[Governor Perry] is getting into the race, I think, doesn’t bother me at all, obviously because he pretty much represents the status quo. And the other candidates, in one way or the other, are part of the status quo. And I represent something different,” Mr. Paul said.

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-clobbers-rick-perry-in-latest-poll/

PS - Most Americans are just now learning that Al Gores former Campaign Manager, Bilderberger and ex-Cheerleader Rick Perry :cheer2: is the NWO Globalist's Pick of the Puppets for the Republican Nomination for the 2012 Presidency!

http://aeryssports.com/ride-schooner-ride/files/2011/08/Rick_Perry_cheerleader-20110803.jpg

Please America, Not ANOTHER CHEERLEADER for President..!

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[D-Day]

American presidents are 'selected' not 'elected'.
That is why Ron Paul will never become president of the US, despite the fact that I (and many others like me worldwide) would love to see him in the oval office.
The fact is, the elites who are responsible for selecting American presidents would never allow him to win the election because they know that once he got into the White House they wouldn't be able to buy him off or control him.
Ron Paul is a man of integrity and principles, that much is obvious to anyone who listens to him speak.
The elites can't afford to have a guy like Ron Paul sitting in the White House as it would be very detrimental to the success of their various ongoing plans and agendas.
That is why the elites are going do do everything in their power to make sure Ron Paul doesn't get elected.
The power, control and influence these elites have over American society is substantial and they will do whatever it takes to make sure "their guy" gets in... not Ron Paul.
So, you can expect mainstream media (owned/controlled by the elites) to give Ron Paul very little attention.
Unless of course the elites attempt to run some kind of smear campaign against him as a last resort in the event that his popularity begins to rise and he starts to look like a serious threat... in which case that (smear) campaign will receive PLENTY of attention.

As I said in the beginning, I'd personally love to see Ron Paul elected as president... I just think it is a very unlikely outcome.

[jackovesk]

Thanks for ALL the comments so far...

including you Sid :fencing:

"A Journey without a Destination becomes an Aimless wandering"


Most people go through life aimlessly. They generate few if any destinations and just take what life thrusts upon them. Their lives become a chaotic response to the winds and forces around them and they feel like tumbleweeds caught in a storm, or stuck in a corner somewhere. They fall into ruts with little satisfaction and even less confidence. They don’t feel like they have accomplished much, and this leads to low self-esteem. Too many people act and feel like victims because they feel their journey without a destination was not fair. This leads to frustrations, jaded attitudes, feelings of incompetence, and feelings of lost control.

Just the sort of thing the NWO Globalists are counting on..!

I am an 'Optermist', and correct me if I am wrong my American friends there is a Huge Groundswell of Support for Ron Paul. Gaining Momentum at a Rapid pace.

The Lies & Deciept of the NWO Globalists is catching up to them quicker than most realize!

So, I will stick with my Opinion that Ron Paul can Win in 2012..!

Regardless of the Obsticles, the NWO Globalists and the MSM put in his way!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

As I said in the beginning, I'd personally love to see Ron Paul elected as president... I just think it is a very unlikely outcome.

Just remember. We outnumber them a million to one. I don't mean in bodies. I mean in consciousness. So, it's still our choice. And they know it. The ball is always in our court. And they know that too.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Just remember people, voting got us all into this mess, trying to get out with the same method doesn't seem to be real smart to me.
I think that backing Ron Paul is good for awakening people, just don't expect much from the process used to put the shackles on your wrists and ankles.

My dear Sid. I think you will agree....the system is what we make it. All things are. Shackles or wings. We decide. What the system has been in the past is irrelevant. We can make it what we want. Or we can make it what we don't.

If we don't expect much from the process, then that is what we will get.

[D-Day]

As I said in the beginning, I'd personally love to see Ron Paul elected as president... I just think it is a very unlikely outcome.

Just remember. We outnumber them a million to one. I don't mean in bodies. I mean in consciousness. So, it's still our choice. And they know it. The ball is always in our court. And they know that too.

I am fully aware of/and completely understand the point you are making here, it is a valid one.
I agree that it is we, the people. who truly hold the majority of power in this relationship we have with the controllers - if only more people would realise that fact ;)
But unless something happens to awaken the human collective consciousness en masse then we are always going to be left to play the game by "their" rules, which ultimately means "they" win every time.
I would love nothing more than to see the balance of power shifted so that we could finally experience TRUE freedom and sovereignty.
I sense that the day of reckoning for the elites is fast approaching, I only hope that it comes sooner rather than later.

[Lord Sidious]

Just remember people, voting got us all into this mess, trying to get out with the same method doesn't seem to be real smart to me.
I think that backing Ron Paul is good for awakening people, just don't expect much from the process used to put the shackles on your wrists and ankles.

My dear Sid. I think you will agree....the system is what we make it. All things are. Shackles or wings. We decide. What the system has been in the past is irrelevant. We can make it what we want. Or we can make it what we don't.

I we don't expect much from the process, then that is what we will get.

The system is there for a reason and that reason would prevent what you say, that our combined wills can change it.
The reason it is there is to sift.
Sift the nuggets from the sediment.
That being the case, if we changed it, it would cease to sift.

[toothpick]

This Ron Paul sure seems to say all the right things.
One thing i don,t agree on is his position on no social security.
I believe we all should have a security net for old age, it is sometimes the difference between food or dog food for the elderly.
Those people that abuse or take advantage of the social system, well, they have to live with themselves, it,s thier conceince.

The American election is over a year away, and they,re going at it pretty good already.
I can,t help but wonder what they are keeping everyones attention from.

toothpick

[loveandgratitude]

If the USA falls so do we. It is in our best interest and in the interest of all the world to support the awakening of the people not only in our own counrty but also in the USA.

[Lord Sidious]

If the USA falls so do we. It is in our best interest and in the interest of all the world to support the awakening of the people not only in our own counrty but also in the USA.

I disagree, the sooner the united states coporation fails, the sooner the others do too.
THEN, we can move on.
It is in the best interests of the peoples of the world that the united states corporation fails asap.

[loveandgratitude]

When I speak of falling, I mean falling into the hands of the tyrants and wanna be kings and queens traitors and out of the hands of the people who should be free of these traitors.

Ignorance and Freedom are diametrically opposed

As Ignorance goes up Freedom goes down

As Knowledge goes Up and Ignorance goes down

Freedom goes up.

There is no easy way out of this mess, except through learning and applying this knowledge.

This is what wisdom is, understanding wisdom, applying knowledge and acting upon it.

KNOWLEDGE UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM.

It is not too late to reverse this situation if only people are willing to learn and get out of ignorance. The information was there all along and the people choose willingly not to look at it. This is the causual factor that has brought about the situation that we face today. To solve these problems the people must come up to a higher understanding to change things. THe people consciouness has to be raised to a sufficent level to overcome tyranny.


America's Last Days,The Empire Strikes Out

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[Unified Serenity]

From 1988: Ron Paul's assessment of what's wrong with America.... the power elite

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[Peace of Mind]

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Peace

[Whiskey_Mystic]

But unless something happens to awaken the human collective consciousness en masse then we are always going to be left to play the game by "their" rules, which ultimately means "they" win every time.

What concerns me is that in some of my visions, in some of the probability timelines, what it takes to wake up the masses is a shock so horrible that I don't want to see it. You've seen how humanity can often rise to its very best in the face of tragedy. Well, if humanity does not awaken of its own accord in gentler ways, that may be the path that everything has to flow through in order to reach the inevitable awakening. We WILL wake up, it's just a question of how bumpy the ride will be. The more density we cling to, the harder it will get before the bubble finally pops. Birthing pains.

Some organizations are working collectively in the energy field to try to mitigate this by raising the vibration of the species on a sort of bell curve. If enough reach a catalyst threshold, they will carry the rest along with them. It's sort if a hundredth monkey thing. Am I off topic again? he he.

Ok, back to Ron Paul. Go, Ron! Go, Ron!

[ulli]

About that Iran hostage situation before the first Reagan election...I got the story first from someone who was living in Portugal. The ship which delivered the payment for the deal (arms+cash) was parked in two ports, Lisbon, and Tel Aviv.
Both countries figured out what was behind it...a top Portuguese official died soon after when his small plane crashed...
and the other country became stronger than ever...one wonders why.

[ceetee9]

As I said in the beginning, I'd personally love to see Ron Paul elected as president... I just think it is a very unlikely outcome.

Just remember. We outnumber them a million to one. I don't mean in bodies. I mean in consciousness. So, it's still our choice. And they know it. The ball is always in our court. And they know that too.I agree, but have just one caveat to what you said. Yes, we do out number then IF, and this is a mighty big if, we can awaken the masses. Unfortunately, from what I see at least, the vast majority of Americans (and people world-wide I suspect) are still asleep believing things like what are discussed on Avalon and the like are all just new age, dreamer and/or "conspiracy theory" balderdash, or they haven't even been exposed to such information. We forget that we are in a very small minority, a growing minority to be sure, but still small in comparison to the massive number of people reached by the MSM. I doubt there is even 10% of the people who even read what I pass on to them, much less investigate for themselves how much, if any, of it is true or possible.

I'm sorry if I sound like a defeatist, but it is very disheartening in deed to see so many people unwilling to even consider the possibility that these types of data could be real--particularly when, if true, could, or would, have such a profound effect on their very existence and the existence of their children. It's quite mind-boggling.

Having said that, I will never give up trying to get people (to whatever degree I can) to do their own research and decide for themselves what is true. We have to reach a critical mass of "awakened" souls before we will have any serious chance of devising and implementing solutions to the acknowledged issues.

[ceetee9]

But unless something happens to awaken the human collective consciousness en masse then we are always going to be left to play the game by "their" rules, which ultimately means "they" win every time.

What concerns me is that in some of my visions, in some of the probability timelines, what it takes to wake up the masses is a shock so horrible that I don't want to see it. You've seen how humanity can often rise to its very best in the face of tragedy. Well, if humanity does not awaken of its own accord in gentler ways, that may be the path that everything has to flow through in order to reach the inevitable awakening. We WILL wake up, it's just a question of how bumpy the ride will be. The more density we cling to, the harder it will get before the bubble finally pops. Birthing pains.

Some organizations are working collectively in the energy field to try to mitigate this by raising the vibration of the species on a sort of bell curve. If enough reach a catalyst threshold, they will carry the rest along with them. It's sort if a hundredth monkey thing. Am I off topic again? he he.

Ok, back to Ron Paul. Go, Ron! Go, Ron!I couldn't agree more with you WM. But I still hope that it isn't going to take that horrific event to shake the masses awake--especially if they wake up on the wrong side of the bed by believing the government lies that are sure to follow (like the ones they bought with the 9/11 event). If that happens again, we're doomed.

[PurpleLama]

Everyone I know is either in the thick of truth seeking or they are sick to death of hearing about it from me. But, everyone I know, with just a few exceptions, are starting to get behind Ron Paul. Whether the masses *awaken* or not, I believe Ron Paul has a real chance of being president, because when I start going on about him, and it's a frequent topic these days, there's not a one that won't at least listen, even if they've no use for anything else I have to say.

[Lord Sidious]

People will act for one of two reasons, fear of loss, or potential gain.
There are no other motives.
Until you can get over the fear of loss the masses have, they will stay inert.

[D-Day]

People will act for one of two reasons, fear of loss, or potential gain.
There are no other motives.
Until you can get over the fear of loss the masses have, they will stay inert.

The only thing I fear to lose is my immortal human soul and I'm pretty sure 'they' don't have the means to take it away from me... at lest I hope not!

Would be nice if the wider human collective could also come to realise the fact that all their material possessions, ultimately, are meaningless...

[Lord Sidious]

People will act for one of two reasons, fear of loss, or potential gain.
There are no other motives.
Until you can get over the fear of loss the masses have, they will stay inert.

The only thing I fear to lose is my immortal human soul and I'm pretty sure 'they' don't have the means to take it away from me... at lest I hope not!


Would be nice if the wider human collective would come to realise that all their material possessions, ultimately, are meaningless...

They will, but it usually requires some form of loss for them to get over that fear.

[risveglio]

This Ron Paul sure seems to say all the right things.
One thing i don,t agree on is his position on no social security.
I believe we all should have a security net for old age, it is sometimes the difference between food or dog food for the elderly.
Those people that abuse or take advantage of the social system, well, they have to live with themselves, it,s thier conceince.

The American election is over a year away, and they,re going at it pretty good already.
I can,t help but wonder what they are keeping everyones attention from.

toothpick

He doesn't say no social security. He just thinks the young people should have the option to opt out. I know I would love to opt out since it is really just a legalized ponzi scheme.

[daledo]

This Ron Paul sure seems to say all the right things.
One thing i don,t agree on is his position on no social security.
I believe we all should have a security net for old age, it is sometimes the difference between food or dog food for the elderly.
Those people that abuse or take advantage of the social system, well, they have to live with themselves, it,s thier conceince.

The American election is over a year away, and they,re going at it pretty good already.
I can,t help but wonder what they are keeping everyones attention from.

toothpick

He doesn't say no social security. He just thinks the young people should have the option to opt out. I know I would love to opt out since it is really just a legalized ponzi scheme.

Ron Paul's view of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFzzjuj-d2w

[loveandgratitude]

The things that are glueing the NWO together

1 - The police and the army. The I will OBEY without question. The minions and servants of the NWO. Without these people doing their bidding the NWO would not stand a chance to survive.

2 - Medication and Mass Hypnosis of the TV and Sports etc. 85% of people in the USA on MEDS. WTF.

3 - The squashing of the GlassStegal Act which lead to the doors opening for the grand theft of the country.

4 - Dumbing down of the masses through education.

5 - Usuary.

Please feel free to add your own points to this list.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

85% of US on meds??? Really????

Wow.

See I have always found medication a little strange, mainly because although I have dealt with depression and anxiety (clearly not seveerely enough) I have always found ways to deal with them in my life in healthy means.

85% is absurd!

PVM

[daledo]

85% of US on meds??? Really????

Wow.

See I have always found medication a little strange, mainly because although I have dealt with depression and anxiety (clearly not seveerely enough) I have always found ways to deal with them in my life in healthy means.

85% is absurd!

PVM

That 85% might be a little high across the country but it is more like 90% for the people I know... or at least until I started researching the drug companies. I have talked many into getting off ALL of their meds. I was on 15 different pills and 4 shots a day, I might have been taking up the slack for a few healthy people lol

Almost Half of Americans Take At Least One Prescription Drug (http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/usmedicated.htm)
If the info they release says 50% you can count that it is alot higher than that. They are always trying to underplay the info. It makes Americans sound like a bunch of pill heads... which they are. I know of about 20 people that pop pain pills and Xanax that they buy illegally. None of them are added into the tallies.

Taking medications and vaccines have side effects like hindering opening your third eye and to be able to see what is really going on in the world. TPTB know this and this is one of the reasons that they push drugs, poison our water, push GM crops etc. to make the masses subservient.

[ktlight]

On Sunday morning, Jon Stewart woke up to a cornucopia of material to write into Monday’s program: Tim Pawlenty’s sad campaign goodbye, Rep. Michele Bachmann’s straw poll victory, Rick Perry’s vasectomy entry into the race. He somehow covered all his bases and then some tonight: finding plenty of time for the one thing the media didn’t cover: the fact that Rep. Ron Paul has emerged as a top-tier candidate in 2012.

Beginning with the news that Pawlenty exited the race, he attempted to keep awake but, of course, failed. “Here’s the problem with that guy in Iowa: any time he’s around, you can’t work any farm machinery.” He also had some problems understanding that Texas governor Perry, “the Josh Brolin character from W,” was “a real guy,” though he had a pretty convoluted explanation for why he wasn’t “George Bush on steroids” involving horse semen and solar flares.

Stewart then turned to the Sunday morning talk show talking points, and found that, universally, Bachmann, Romney, and Perry were considered the “top tier.” “You’re not forgetting anyone?” Stewart asked, referring to Rep. Paul, who had come in second. Rep. Paul managed to be ignored over Rick Santorum– “he lost to the guy who lost so bad he dropped out of the race”– and Jon Huntsman, who got 69 votes. “If all of Jon Huntsman’s supporters met at the Ames, Iowa Quiznos, the fire marshal would say, ‘yeah, that’s fine, here are some more seats.’” Stewart found it bewildering that Rep. Paul had become “the 13th floor of a hotel,” culminating with a clip of a CNN anchor requesting a reporter leave out the Ron Paul reporting if they found any juicy Sarah Palin stuff– saying, in Stewart’s words, “I mean, f*ck that guy, right?”

source and to view video
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-scolds-media-for-ignoring-rep-ron-paul-i-mean-fck-that-guy-right/

[ViralSpiral]

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[loveandgratitude]

100,000 Americans Die Each Year from Prescription Drugs.
While Pharma Companies Get Rich
Prescription drugs taken as directed kill 100,000 Americans a year. That's one person every five minutes. How did we get here?
June 25, 2010 |

How many people do you know who regularly use a prescription medication? If your social group is like most Americans', the answer is most. Sixty-five percent of the country takes a prescription drug these days. In 2005 alone, we spent $250 billion on them.

In recent years, sales of drugs for children have been the industry’s fastest growing business. Doctors now prescribe pills to children for all kinds of conditions — from high cholesterol to anxiety.

The market for ADHD drugs has long been a big opportunity for the industry. More recently, the companies have had their sales reps urge doctors to prescribe antidepressants, antipsychotics and other psychiatric meds to children. The result: our kids take more of those medicines than children in other countries. For example, a study last year found that American children take three times more attention deficit medications and antidepressants than children in Europe.

So now - take into account the illegal drugs and the illegal prescription drugs, alcohol and pot smokers. Phewwww......

How many are left that are in their right minds, clear thinking, awake and aware people.

The people are in a stupor. Drugged out, mind numbed and easy to manipulate. Drugs and TV are a great mix.

THE FAIRY TALE - SLEEPING BEAUTY. The people of the kingdom were put under a spell that keep them asleep for 100 years.

QUESTION - How to break this spell on the people.

STOP TAKING FLOURIDE IMMEDIATELY

[loveandgratitude]

This is why Ron Paul is called an anti-semite

When truth is anti-semitic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZo_RFyM3uw&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewiW814Uc30&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPXkvITy1ZE&feature=related

[T Smith]

85% of US on meds??? Really????

Wow.

See I have always found medication a little strange, mainly because although I have dealt with depression and anxiety (clearly not seveerely enough) I have always found ways to deal with them in my life in healthy means.

85% is absurd!

PVM

Forget about the perils associated wtih food shortages in the event of civil unrest or disruption of distribution. Some of these medications are very dangerous and patients must be weined off them slowly. Three days cold-turkey without these meds and we have an entire population literally out of their minds....

[Foggy]

THE IOWA STRAW POLL NUMBER ONE POSITION WAS BOUGHT....PROOF WITH 6,000 FREE $30.00 TICKETS
The only way one could vote was with a ticket. Large blocks of people accepted Bachman's free tickets then voted for Ron Paul.
See video below. The Republican Party Bosses don't want him because "game over". They will do anything to prevent him from
winning nomination as only registered Republicans can vote in in upcoming primary elections prior to General Election 2012.

The public is waking up and realize there is no difference in the parties. If large numbers of Democrats switch party affiliation, Ron Paul will win and they know it.








Facts and Truth About U.S. Inflation, Debt, and Political Crisis

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) yesterday released their consumer price index (CPI) data for the month of July. The BLS reported an increase in year-over-year CPI growth to 3.63%, the highest rate of U.S. price inflation since October of 2008. July's official government reported year-over-year U.S. price inflation rate of 3.63% was up from 3.56% in June, 3.57% in May, 3.16% in April, 2.68% in March, 2.11% in February, 1.63% in January, 1.5% in December, and 1.1% in November.

The official rate of U.S. price inflation has increased by 230% over the last eight months. NIA conservatively projects the official rate of U.S. price inflation to surpass 4% by year-end and 5% in early 2012. NIA estimates the real rate of U.S. price inflation, without geometric weighting and hedonics, to currently be approaching 8%. NIA projects the real rate of U.S. price inflation to reach double-digit territory by mid-2012, if not much sooner.

Gold prices today reached a new all time high of $1,877 per ounce. Gold is the best gauge of inflation, not the CPI. On June 15th when the BLS reported May CPI data, gold was trading for only $1,520 per ounce. Even though the BLS reported a year-over-year CPI increase for the month of May of 3.16%, the mainstream media reported that inflation was slowing down and not a problem because gas prices were declining. Although seasonal adjusted gas prices in the month of May were down 2%, NIA reported to you that non-adjusted gas prices actually rose 3.6%. NIA then warned you that the BLS's seasonal adjustments will reverse beginning in the month of July and start boosting reported gas prices.

NIA was right, seasonal adjusted gas prices in the month of July increased 4.7%. The mainstream media intentionally misled Americans about price inflation during the month of June, but the world is now recognizing the truth about how U.S. price inflation is spiraling out of control with the price of gold having risen 23% since mid-June. The investment community is also finally realizing what NIA has been saying for years, inflation does not create real economic growth.

The Dow Jones declined today by 172.93 points to 10,817.65 and the Dow Jones/Gold ratio fell to 5.84. The Dow Jones/Gold ratio is declining at a faster rate than even we expected. NIA was one of the only organizations in the world to accurately predict that the Dow Jones/Gold ratio would decline to 6.5 in 2011. NIA continues to believe that the Dow Jones/Gold ratio will decline to 1 this decade, which will mean another 83% loss for Dow Jones stocks in terms of real money.

The lower the stock market declines in the near-term, the greater the chances are that the Federal Reserve will soon unleash QE3 in disguise under a new name. Despite gold reaching a new all time high, the core-CPI, which the Federal Reserve likes to use to gauge inflation because it excludes food and energy prices, is currently up 1.77% on a year-over-year basis, compared to an annual gain of 0.61% in October of last year. Even though core-CPI growth appears to still be low, year-over-year core-CPI growth has increased by 290% since October of last year, a larger gain on a percentage basis than the official CPI. Ever since the Federal Reserve announced QE2 in November of last year, core-CPI has increased for nine straight months.

By the time the 2012 Presidential election comes around, inflation will be the top concern on the minds of all Americans. Inflation will be an even bigger concern than unemployment, because nobody will want to have a job that pays them a salary in U.S. dollars. The only Presidential candidate who has the knowledge and courage necessary to preserve what little purchasing power the U.S. dollar still has left is Ron Paul. NIA supports Ron Paul to become the Republican nominee in the 2012 U.S. Presidential election. To become the Republican nominee, Ron Paul will need to win the Republican presidential primaries. Unlike the general election to be held on November 6th, 2012, the Republican primaries are a series of primary elections and caucuses that are spread out over five months beginning in February.

Iowa is always the first state to vote and will have their caucuses on February 6th, followed by New Hampshire on February 14th, Nevada on February 18th, and South Carolina on February 28th. The results of the first few primaries/caucuses usually influence how people will vote in the following primaries/caucuses. It is important for a candidate to build momentum early on. If a candidate doesn't have a strong showing in early primary states, they frequently drop out of the race before all of the primaries/caucuses are completed.

The way the primaries are structured gives voters in early primary states, especially voters in Iowa, a lot of power compared to voters in states like New York who very often don't vote until the nominee has already been determined. About six months before every Iowa Republican primary is the Ames Straw Poll, an unofficial Presidential straw poll that takes place in Ames, Iowa, of who Iowa voters are planning to support in their caucuses. The 2011 Ames Straw Poll just took place on August 13th with Michele Bachmann finishing first place with 4,823 votes and Ron Paul coming in second with 4,671 votes, only 152 votes behind Bachmann.

To attend the Ames Straw Poll and have the opportunity to vote in the poll, attendees were required to purchase a ticket priced at $30. Bachmann gave her supporters 6,000 free tickets at a cost to her campaign of $180,000. Only 80% of the people she gave free tickets to actually voted for her and that's assuming none of the people who bought tickets voted for her. Bachmann didn't just pay for the entrance of 6,000 people who she thought supported her, but she paid a small fortune to have Grammy Award winning country singer Randy Travis perform in a special air-conditioned tent. Bachmann even paid to transport forty bus loads of Randy Travis fans to the event, who were required to register at the Bachmann table and vote before seeing the entertainment.

With Bachmann spending a total of nearly $1 million on this event, she should have won the straw poll in a blow out. Click on the link below to see a shocking video we just posted to the NIA blog of the never ending line of Bachmann "supporters" registering at her table so that they could vote without paying the $30 fee. NIA believes that many of these people pretended to support her in order to get free tickets, but actually voted for Ron Paul: http://inflation.us/blog/2011/08/crazy-video-of-bachmann-ames-straw-poll-line/

The morning after Bachmann's phony victory, she appeared on five different nationwide talk shows. Ron Paul wasn't allowed to appear on any, with both 'Meet the Press' and 'Fox News Sunday' canceling interviews they had scheduled with him. Meet the Press spent the morning talking about Bachmann's win and Tim Pawlenty dropping out of the race after finishing third with less than half of the votes of Bachmann and Ron Paul. They barely mentioned Ron Paul even when he finished in a statistical dead heat with Bachmann.

Even more frustrating and disturbing, the Wall Street Journal published a long article Sunday morning about the race and it focused almost entirely on Bachmann's straw poll win and Rick Perry's entry into the race. The article only had one sentence about Ron Paul that read, “Libertarian Ron Paul, who has no chance to win the nomination, finished a close second.” On Monday morning, Ron Paul was scheduled to appear on NBC’s 'Today' show, but that interview was canceled as well with an NBC official saying it was due to "logistics and timing reasons with the news in Indiana and Somalia."

The mainstream media believes that if they repeat "Ron Paul has no chance of winning" enough times, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. The same applies to the media constantly referring to Mitt Romney as the front-runner. The media supports Romney because they like how he is a part of the Republican establishment and if elected would stick with the status quo in Washington.

Four years ago when Ron Paul was relatively unknown, Romney was the winner of the 2007 Ames Straw Poll. Rudy Giuliani and John McCain, who were both also seeking the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, chose not to participate in the 2007 Ames Straw Poll. Romney at the time in his own words called Giuliani and McCain cowards. Romney said, "I think if they thought they could have won, they would have been here," and "If you can't compete in the heartland, if you can't compete in Iowa in August, how are you going to compete in January when the caucuses are held, and how are you going to compete in November of '08?"

NIA believes that if Romney thought that he could have won the 2011 Ames Straw Poll, he would have been there. Romney knows that he lost all of his grassroots supporters when he spoke out in favor of the Federal Reserve's destructive monetary policies and said Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke was doing a good job. Romney showed his true colors when he said that the Federal Reserve is a non-issue and that he won't be discussing it during his campaign. He has now proven himself to be a hypocrite who was scared of looking bad by losing to Ron Paul in the straw poll and losing his "front-runner" status that was handed to him by the mainstream media. If Romney was afraid to compete in Iowa this month, NIA sees no chance of him winning in Iowa this February and no chance of him winning the Republican nomination.

With Iowa voters having a lot of power being in the first primary state, Iowa residents have spent more time researching the candidates than residents of most other states. Because Iowa voters are educated on the issues, especially issues affecting the economy, the media knew Ron Paul would have a strong showing in the Ames Straw Poll and for weeks leading up to it ran countless stories designed to downplay the poll and make it seem irrelevant. One Fox News reporter even went as far as saying that winning the straw poll is a negative and makes it nearly impossible to win the nomination. None of these things were said before the poll in 2007 because the media knew their darling Romney would win.

All educated Americans who understand the facts and truth about the U.S. economy and inflation are in strong support of Ron Paul because of his 24 year record in Congress of voting against increases in government spending and taxes, and voting for measures to strengthen our currency and reduce monetary inflation. Ron Paul stands for everything that NIA believes in such as liberty, freedom, and sound money. He has done more to protect the U.S. Constitution than any other person in Washington. Our founding fathers had the foresight 224 years ago to see the economic problems we have today. Even back then, rulers of nations had a history of coin clipping, replacing the silver in coins with base metals, and implementing other measures that stole from the purchasing power of ordinary citizens. Our founding fathers never would have imagined just how easy it has become to create inflation, where now the Federal Reserve with the click of a mouse can credit trillions of dollars to any banking institution worldwide.

For years, the media has dismissed Ron Paul's fight against the Federal Reserve and its destruction of the U.S. dollar. The media calls Ron Paul's ideas radical, but NIA believes Ron Paul is the most sane person in Washington. NIA believes balancing the budget, auditing the Federal Reserve, returning to a gold standard, and bringing our troops home from the Middle East, are all sane ideas that must be implemented if we want to have any hope of avoiding hyperinflation.

Rick Perry, the governor of Texas who just entered the race for the Republican presidential nomination, was recently asked about the Federal Reserve and in response he called Bernanke's acts of printing money "treasonous". NIA was the first to call Bernanke's actions treasonous. Back on December 9th of last year, NIA released an article entitled "WikiLeaks, Bernanke, and Hyperinflation" in which NIA said that it was "deeply disturbed by how U.S. politicians and the mainstream media have been calling for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to be charged with treason." Although in no way does NIA support Assange or his actions, we expressed in our article how we don't believe it is a treasonous act to help spread the truth about our country's foreign policy and other sensitive topics when the information he posted was given to him and in no way did he hack any government systems to obtain it.

NIA went on to state in its December 9th article, "If there is one American who deserves to be charged with treason, it is Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke." It is not humanly possible to betray ones country in a way that is more egregious than Bernanke's despicable acts. NIA is currently in the process of producing a sequel to its critically acclaimed documentary 'Meltup', which has received over 1.1 million views with 96% of its viewers "liking" the movie and only 4% "disliking" it, a record for YouTube documentaries at least 50 minutes in length with over 1 million views. NIA's sequel to 'Meltup' will expose the latest updated facts and truth about the U.S. economy, Federal Reserve, and inflation. It will set a whole new standard as the most in-depth, informative, educational, and entertaining economic documentary ever produced. Most importantly, it will expose why Bernanke's actions are indeed treasonous.

As far as Rick Perry is concerned, he is really no different than Romney. Perry like Romney is a governor who was elected to office due to his strong ties to the Republican establishment. Both Perry and Romney according to many media pundits look very Presidential. You will never hear Perry or Romney speak a word about bringing our troops home, repealing legislation that invades Americans' privacy rights without making us any safer here at home, and eliminating entire departments of government including the Department of Education, Department of Energy, Department of Commerce, Department of Health and Human Services, and Department of Homeland Security. These unnecessary bureaucracies have done nothing but add to our budget deficits, without a single success story to justify their existence.

Perry is not a true fiscal conservative. He and his wife complained that the Texas governor's mansion was too small and is now spending $11 million of President Obama's stimulus money to renovate and expand its size. With the construction now taking place at the governor's mansion and Perry unable to live there, Texas taxpayers have so far spent $700,000 to rent him an even bigger Texas mansion and to cover expenses at the mansion including Neiman Marcus window coverings and a subscription to Food & Wine Magazine.

What is unbelievable to us is that Perry for the most part has been a career politician, yet he has somehow managed to become a multi-millionaire while spending nearly all of his time in public office earning a relatively modest salary. Of course, if Perry was elected President, nothing much will change from the Obama administration and within a few years, he might become a multi-billionaire because a billionaire will be the new millionaire. Make no mistake about it, Perry may be trying to differentiate himself from Romney by speaking out against the Fed, but as President of the United States of America, NIA guarantees that Perry wouldn't do a damn thing to limit the Fed's powers and stop it from wiping out both the savings of senior citizens and the purchasing power of their Social Security checks. Perry is already in the pocket of the big banks and we just posted an 11 second video on the NIA blog that proves it: http://inflation.us/blog/2011/08/shocking-video-bank-of-america-executive-offers-to-help-out-rick-perry/

Tomorrow, Saturday, August 20th, is Ron Paul's birthday. To celebrate his birthday and help build momentum for his Presidential campaign, Ron Paul supporters have organized a huge "moneybomb" that starts at midnight tonight. If you would like to give Ron Paul the best possible birthday President and help increase the chances of our nation's survival, please make a donation beginning at midnight tonight by going to: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

It is important to spread the word about NIA to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible, if you want America to survive hyperinflation. Please tell everybody you know to become members of NIA for free immediately at: http://inflation.us

[T Smith]

THE IOWA STRAW POLL NUMBER ONE POSITION WAS BOUGHT....PROOF WITH 6,000 FREE $30.00 TICKETS
The only way one could vote was with a ticket. Large blocks of people accepted Bachman's free tickets then voted for Ron Paul.
See video below. The Republican Party Bosses don't want him because "game over". They will do anything to prevent him from
winning nomination as only registered Republicans can vote in in upcoming primary elections prior to General Election 2012.

The public is waking up and realize there is no difference in the parties. If large numbers of Democrats switch party affiliation, Ron Paul will win and they know it.








Facts and Truth About U.S. Inflation, Debt, and Political Crisis

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) yesterday released their consumer price index (CPI) data for the month of July. The BLS reported an increase in year-over-year CPI growth to 3.63%, the highest rate of U.S. price inflation since October of 2008. July's official government reported year-over-year U.S. price inflation rate of 3.63% was up from 3.56% in June, 3.57% in May, 3.16% in April, 2.68% in March, 2.11% in February, 1.63% in January, 1.5% in December, and 1.1% in November.

The official rate of U.S. price inflation has increased by 230% over the last eight months. NIA conservatively projects the official rate of U.S. price inflation to surpass 4% by year-end and 5% in early 2012. NIA estimates the real rate of U.S. price inflation, without geometric weighting and hedonics, to currently be approaching 8%. NIA projects the real rate of U.S. price inflation to reach double-digit territory by mid-2012, if not much sooner.

Gold prices today reached a new all time high of $1,877 per ounce. Gold is the best gauge of inflation, not the CPI. On June 15th when the BLS reported May CPI data, gold was trading for only $1,520 per ounce. Even though the BLS reported a year-over-year CPI increase for the month of May of 3.16%, the mainstream media reported that inflation was slowing down and not a problem because gas prices were declining. Although seasonal adjusted gas prices in the month of May were down 2%, NIA reported to you that non-adjusted gas prices actually rose 3.6%. NIA then warned you that the BLS's seasonal adjustments will reverse beginning in the month of July and start boosting reported gas prices.

NIA was right, seasonal adjusted gas prices in the month of July increased 4.7%. The mainstream media intentionally misled Americans about price inflation during the month of June, but the world is now recognizing the truth about how U.S. price inflation is spiraling out of control with the price of gold having risen 23% since mid-June. The investment community is also finally realizing what NIA has been saying for years, inflation does not create real economic growth.

The Dow Jones declined today by 172.93 points to 10,817.65 and the Dow Jones/Gold ratio fell to 5.84. The Dow Jones/Gold ratio is declining at a faster rate than even we expected. NIA was one of the only organizations in the world to accurately predict that the Dow Jones/Gold ratio would decline to 6.5 in 2011. NIA continues to believe that the Dow Jones/Gold ratio will decline to 1 this decade, which will mean another 83% loss for Dow Jones stocks in terms of real money.

The lower the stock market declines in the near-term, the greater the chances are that the Federal Reserve will soon unleash QE3 in disguise under a new name. Despite gold reaching a new all time high, the core-CPI, which the Federal Reserve likes to use to gauge inflation because it excludes food and energy prices, is currently up 1.77% on a year-over-year basis, compared to an annual gain of 0.61% in October of last year. Even though core-CPI growth appears to still be low, year-over-year core-CPI growth has increased by 290% since October of last year, a larger gain on a percentage basis than the official CPI. Ever since the Federal Reserve announced QE2 in November of last year, core-CPI has increased for nine straight months.

By the time the 2012 Presidential election comes around, inflation will be the top concern on the minds of all Americans. Inflation will be an even bigger concern than unemployment, because nobody will want to have a job that pays them a salary in U.S. dollars. The only Presidential candidate who has the knowledge and courage necessary to preserve what little purchasing power the U.S. dollar still has left is Ron Paul. NIA supports Ron Paul to become the Republican nominee in the 2012 U.S. Presidential election. To become the Republican nominee, Ron Paul will need to win the Republican presidential primaries. Unlike the general election to be held on November 6th, 2012, the Republican primaries are a series of primary elections and caucuses that are spread out over five months beginning in February.

Iowa is always the first state to vote and will have their caucuses on February 6th, followed by New Hampshire on February 14th, Nevada on February 18th, and South Carolina on February 28th. The results of the first few primaries/caucuses usually influence how people will vote in the following primaries/caucuses. It is important for a candidate to build momentum early on. If a candidate doesn't have a strong showing in early primary states, they frequently drop out of the race before all of the primaries/caucuses are completed.

The way the primaries are structured gives voters in early primary states, especially voters in Iowa, a lot of power compared to voters in states like New York who very often don't vote until the nominee has already been determined. About six months before every Iowa Republican primary is the Ames Straw Poll, an unofficial Presidential straw poll that takes place in Ames, Iowa, of who Iowa voters are planning to support in their caucuses. The 2011 Ames Straw Poll just took place on August 13th with Michele Bachmann finishing first place with 4,823 votes and Ron Paul coming in second with 4,671 votes, only 152 votes behind Bachmann.

To attend the Ames Straw Poll and have the opportunity to vote in the poll, attendees were required to purchase a ticket priced at $30. Bachmann gave her supporters 6,000 free tickets at a cost to her campaign of $180,000. Only 80% of the people she gave free tickets to actually voted for her and that's assuming none of the people who bought tickets voted for her. Bachmann didn't just pay for the entrance of 6,000 people who she thought supported her, but she paid a small fortune to have Grammy Award winning country singer Randy Travis perform in a special air-conditioned tent. Bachmann even paid to transport forty bus loads of Randy Travis fans to the event, who were required to register at the Bachmann table and vote before seeing the entertainment.

With Bachmann spending a total of nearly $1 million on this event, she should have won the straw poll in a blow out. Click on the link below to see a shocking video we just posted to the NIA blog of the never ending line of Bachmann "supporters" registering at her table so that they could vote without paying the $30 fee. NIA believes that many of these people pretended to support her in order to get free tickets, but actually voted for Ron Paul: http://inflation.us/blog/2011/08/crazy-video-of-bachmann-ames-straw-poll-line/

The morning after Bachmann's phony victory, she appeared on five different nationwide talk shows. Ron Paul wasn't allowed to appear on any, with both 'Meet the Press' and 'Fox News Sunday' canceling interviews they had scheduled with him. Meet the Press spent the morning talking about Bachmann's win and Tim Pawlenty dropping out of the race after finishing third with less than half of the votes of Bachmann and Ron Paul. They barely mentioned Ron Paul even when he finished in a statistical dead heat with Bachmann.

Even more frustrating and disturbing, the Wall Street Journal published a long article Sunday morning about the race and it focused almost entirely on Bachmann's straw poll win and Rick Perry's entry into the race. The article only had one sentence about Ron Paul that read, “Libertarian Ron Paul, who has no chance to win the nomination, finished a close second.” On Monday morning, Ron Paul was scheduled to appear on NBC’s 'Today' show, but that interview was canceled as well with an NBC official saying it was due to "logistics and timing reasons with the news in Indiana and Somalia."

The mainstream media believes that if they repeat "Ron Paul has no chance of winning" enough times, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. The same applies to the media constantly referring to Mitt Romney as the front-runner. The media supports Romney because they like how he is a part of the Republican establishment and if elected would stick with the status quo in Washington.

Four years ago when Ron Paul was relatively unknown, Romney was the winner of the 2007 Ames Straw Poll. Rudy Giuliani and John McCain, who were both also seeking the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, chose not to participate in the 2007 Ames Straw Poll. Romney at the time in his own words called Giuliani and McCain cowards. Romney said, "I think if they thought they could have won, they would have been here," and "If you can't compete in the heartland, if you can't compete in Iowa in August, how are you going to compete in January when the caucuses are held, and how are you going to compete in November of '08?"

NIA believes that if Romney thought that he could have won the 2011 Ames Straw Poll, he would have been there. Romney knows that he lost all of his grassroots supporters when he spoke out in favor of the Federal Reserve's destructive monetary policies and said Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke was doing a good job. Romney showed his true colors when he said that the Federal Reserve is a non-issue and that he won't be discussing it during his campaign. He has now proven himself to be a hypocrite who was scared of looking bad by losing to Ron Paul in the straw poll and losing his "front-runner" status that was handed to him by the mainstream media. If Romney was afraid to compete in Iowa this month, NIA sees no chance of him winning in Iowa this February and no chance of him winning the Republican nomination.

With Iowa voters having a lot of power being in the first primary state, Iowa residents have spent more time researching the candidates than residents of most other states. Because Iowa voters are educated on the issues, especially issues affecting the economy, the media knew Ron Paul would have a strong showing in the Ames Straw Poll and for weeks leading up to it ran countless stories designed to downplay the poll and make it seem irrelevant. One Fox News reporter even went as far as saying that winning the straw poll is a negative and makes it nearly impossible to win the nomination. None of these things were said before the poll in 2007 because the media knew their darling Romney would win.

All educated Americans who understand the facts and truth about the U.S. economy and inflation are in strong support of Ron Paul because of his 24 year record in Congress of voting against increases in government spending and taxes, and voting for measures to strengthen our currency and reduce monetary inflation. Ron Paul stands for everything that NIA believes in such as liberty, freedom, and sound money. He has done more to protect the U.S. Constitution than any other person in Washington. Our founding fathers had the foresight 224 years ago to see the economic problems we have today. Even back then, rulers of nations had a history of coin clipping, replacing the silver in coins with base metals, and implementing other measures that stole from the purchasing power of ordinary citizens. Our founding fathers never would have imagined just how easy it has become to create inflation, where now the Federal Reserve with the click of a mouse can credit trillions of dollars to any banking institution worldwide.

For years, the media has dismissed Ron Paul's fight against the Federal Reserve and its destruction of the U.S. dollar. The media calls Ron Paul's ideas radical, but NIA believes Ron Paul is the most sane person in Washington. NIA believes balancing the budget, auditing the Federal Reserve, returning to a gold standard, and bringing our troops home from the Middle East, are all sane ideas that must be implemented if we want to have any hope of avoiding hyperinflation.

Rick Perry, the governor of Texas who just entered the race for the Republican presidential nomination, was recently asked about the Federal Reserve and in response he called Bernanke's acts of printing money "treasonous". NIA was the first to call Bernanke's actions treasonous. Back on December 9th of last year, NIA released an article entitled "WikiLeaks, Bernanke, and Hyperinflation" in which NIA said that it was "deeply disturbed by how U.S. politicians and the mainstream media have been calling for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to be charged with treason." Although in no way does NIA support Assange or his actions, we expressed in our article how we don't believe it is a treasonous act to help spread the truth about our country's foreign policy and other sensitive topics when the information he posted was given to him and in no way did he hack any government systems to obtain it.

NIA went on to state in its December 9th article, "If there is one American who deserves to be charged with treason, it is Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke." It is not humanly possible to betray ones country in a way that is more egregious than Bernanke's despicable acts. NIA is currently in the process of producing a sequel to its critically acclaimed documentary 'Meltup', which has received over 1.1 million views with 96% of its viewers "liking" the movie and only 4% "disliking" it, a record for YouTube documentaries at least 50 minutes in length with over 1 million views. NIA's sequel to 'Meltup' will expose the latest updated facts and truth about the U.S. economy, Federal Reserve, and inflation. It will set a whole new standard as the most in-depth, informative, educational, and entertaining economic documentary ever produced. Most importantly, it will expose why Bernanke's actions are indeed treasonous.

As far as Rick Perry is concerned, he is really no different than Romney. Perry like Romney is a governor who was elected to office due to his strong ties to the Republican establishment. Both Perry and Romney according to many media pundits look very Presidential. You will never hear Perry or Romney speak a word about bringing our troops home, repealing legislation that invades Americans' privacy rights without making us any safer here at home, and eliminating entire departments of government including the Department of Education, Department of Energy, Department of Commerce, Department of Health and Human Services, and Department of Homeland Security. These unnecessary bureaucracies have done nothing but add to our budget deficits, without a single success story to justify their existence.

Perry is not a true fiscal conservative. He and his wife complained that the Texas governor's mansion was too small and is now spending $11 million of President Obama's stimulus money to renovate and expand its size. With the construction now taking place at the governor's mansion and Perry unable to live there, Texas taxpayers have so far spent $700,000 to rent him an even bigger Texas mansion and to cover expenses at the mansion including Neiman Marcus window coverings and a subscription to Food & Wine Magazine.

What is unbelievable to us is that Perry for the most part has been a career politician, yet he has somehow managed to become a multi-millionaire while spending nearly all of his time in public office earning a relatively modest salary. Of course, if Perry was elected President, nothing much will change from the Obama administration and within a few years, he might become a multi-billionaire because a billionaire will be the new millionaire. Make no mistake about it, Perry may be trying to differentiate himself from Romney by speaking out against the Fed, but as President of the United States of America, NIA guarantees that Perry wouldn't do a damn thing to limit the Fed's powers and stop it from wiping out both the savings of senior citizens and the purchasing power of their Social Security checks. Perry is already in the pocket of the big banks and we just posted an 11 second video on the NIA blog that proves it: http://inflation.us/blog/2011/08/shocking-video-bank-of-america-executive-offers-to-help-out-rick-perry/

Tomorrow, Saturday, August 20th, is Ron Paul's birthday. To celebrate his birthday and help build momentum for his Presidential campaign, Ron Paul supporters have organized a huge "moneybomb" that starts at midnight tonight. If you would like to give Ron Paul the best possible birthday President and help increase the chances of our nation's survival, please make a donation beginning at midnight tonight by going to: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

It is important to spread the word about NIA to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible, if you want America to survive hyperinflation. Please tell everybody you know to become members of NIA for free immediately at: http://inflation.us

Nice post time.

[daledo]

Dear Fellow Conservative,

"President Ron Paul."

Anyone can write that and wonder "what if," but are you ready to turn it into a reality?

Because now is the time.

Last Saturday, Ron Paul finished the Iowa Straw Poll with the fourth highest vote total in the Poll's history. His second-place ranking came only 152 votes behind the winner, who gave out over a thousand more tickets and forced people to vote before getting to watch their campaign's big name, "free entertainment."

As the media focuses on whether or not a certain candidate from Texas can get support, this candidate from Texas DID bring people together in historic numbers - and in the Straw Poll winner's own home state.

He more than doubled the tally for the third place candidate, who spent over $1 million according to reports and had been dubbed a "frontrunner" by everyone except grassroots Americans.

This campaign is about more than spreading a message. It's about more than furthering our revolution, which will happen no matter the result.

What we showed last weekend is that this campaign is about electing Ron Paul President of the United States and taking back our country.

And the polls reflect the hunger in the country for real conservative change. A recent poll out of New Hampshire had Ron Paul surging into third place, 4 points ahead of Michele Bachmann, and just 4 points behind the media's new fixation, Texas Governor Rick Perry.

My dad's birthday is today, and I can't think of a better follow-up to his amazing finish in Ames than receiving a strong message from grassroots conservatives on that day that they are ready to WIN this race with him.

Can I count on you to let my dad know how much you appreciate his work and want to help him win the nomination (and the White House) by participating in today's Money Bomb in honor of his birthday?



If so, please click here to make a contribution to the Ron Paul Birthday Money Bomb.

Four years ago this month, Ron Paul was at 1% in the polls and took 5th place in the Iowa Straw Poll.

Now, as poll after poll demonstrates, he is a top-tier candidate to win not only the Republican nomination, but to take on and defeat President Obama next November.

Voters are fed up with status quo, big government politicians, and Ron Paul is surging because he speaks directly to their hopes for the future: getting government out of the way and off their backs so the American people can once more be free to make this nation prosperous, strong, and respected around the world.

The Iowa Straw Poll proved yet again that Ron Paul can turn passion and enthusiasm into on-the-ground success.

But to win this race, our campaign has to contend with a powerful establishment machine that is pulling out all the stops to guarantee voters only get their side of the story.

If they had their way, Americans would never hear about Ron Paul at all.

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For Liberty,

Rand Paul

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This only showed up in my email and couldn't find it on their website. I highlighted the most important part of this email for me that I received from WND today. This is him saying one more time that HE CAN NOT BE BOUGHT by the corporation's monkeys in Washington. He is for the people and by the people of the United States. We CAN get his elected if we stand together as one.

[Sophocles]

From TheAlexJonesChannel on youtube: Breaking - Ron Paul on FEMA Camps!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bF32LlJtvY


The above information is extremely important. Ron Paul was recently asked by an investigative blogger if he was concerned about legislation in Congress that would officially establish FEMA camps in America. Ron Paul responded in the affirmative. Paul went on to say that "they" or Homeland Security wanted violence as a pretext to roll out the clamp down.

[bitworm]

$1,560,923.07 - looks like they hit the mark

and LOL at this:

http://i.imgur.com/hvmGs.jpg

[ktlight]

I ran into DR. Paul this past weekend on the lawn of Iowa State University. I had a chance to ask Ron about H.R. 645 and whether or not Americans are justified in thinking that (The National Emergency Centers Establishment Act' could lead to detainment camps for american citizens during martial law. His response..
'They're setting the stage for violence in this country' -Ron Paul

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[finally there!!!]

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[risveglio]

Oh please with the freemason BS.

[risveglio]

I can't believe I am even putting any statement to this but the sign Ron Paul is giving is sign language for I love you. His thumb is out. This is just silly.

http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/topics/i_love_you.htm

[daledo]

finally there!!! ,

Even if that were true, there are good and bad people in all organizations.
I was in a fraternity in college that had it's roots in free masonry. Does that make me a sleeper agent?
I just look at his voting record over the last almost 40 years and the FACT that he is being ignored by mainstream media to a degree that you will never see anytime in the past. He is their downfall and they know it. Please do not discredit his perfect name with rumors, we have a hard enough time getting around the media onslaught.

[HORIZONS]

Charlie Pecos said: The point is this: as long as there is a pyramidal power structure, as long as the many at the bottom support the few at the top, nothing will change. We can re-brand it all we like but it is still a control paradigm.

Good point! If nothing changes then nothing changes. We need a new paradigm in human living and understanding. Can RP open the way for this kind of a change?

[finally there!!!]

Hey Daledo hows you??
I'm in no way saying he is bad person or that everyone who is in in a society or fraternity is a sleeper agent.. its up to everyone to make up their own on mind and you wont hear me telling you made the wrong choice because by god iv made some bad choices in my life
I just think its fair for everyone to see all the sides of the coin first before they make that choice. Also im starting to think whoever these tptb are their very clever people surly they have a plan A B C D etc also i dont think you can count time as a factor at this stage,if were to believe a lot of these whistle blowers this plan has been thought out before we were even born. when i look at history i see lots uprising and the likes.and when these things happen the tptb say ok we better give the something to make them think their gonna get change.but lets be honest it never happens.. I always ask myself why dont people who are running for power say ok NO MORE manufacturing guns no more gm foods no more violence pumped into tv no more un-equality and no more money no more rubbing shoulders with people who have wronged the world in so many ways. PS nobody is perfect

[jackovesk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6D3uPLlCu8&feature=watch_response

Ron Paul 38%, Barack Obama 39%

By RonPaul.com on August 23, 2011

Ron Paul and Barack Obama are in statistical dead heat in a hypothetical 2012 general election matchup. The latest Rasmussen survey of likely voters reveals the following:

Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul earns 38% of the vote to President Obama’s 39% [...]

Paul, whose long run afoul of the GOP establishment with his libertarian policy prescriptions, picks up 61% of the Republican vote, while 78% of Democrats fall in behind the president. Voters not affiliated with either of the major political parties prefer the longtime congressman by 10 points – 43% to 33%. [...]

Seventy-six percent (76%) of Tea Party members support Paul. Fifty-one percent (51%) of those who are not members of the grass roots smaller government movement opt for the president.

Paul leads Obama by 11 points among male voters but loses female voters to the incumbent by a similar margin. Voters under 30 prefer the president, while Paul edges the incumbent in all other age groups.

The president leads among voters who earn $60,000 or less a year, while the GOP candidate is ahead among those who make more.

Eighty-eight percent (88%) of the Political Class favor Obama. A plurality (46%) of Mainstream voters support Paul.

http://www.ronpaul.com/

[kathymarie]

OMG...I loved this...going to watch it again....these are ideas I can get behind 100%....especially doing away with the IRS, bringing troups home, NO NATIONAL ID CARD, that government exists for the people not for itself.....in this empire of lies I wonder how long before words like his really are considered treason.

[The One]

yep im afraid they all piss in the same pot

Non of them are for the people.Lie lie and more lies.

[Maia Gabrial]

I wouldn't believe those statistics for a second. That's all it is is hypothetical. Not everyone weighed in on that....If those who are still loyal to Obama, then they haven't been watching the steady decline of the country. Or they're in complete denial. Just who are they blaming for all the crap going on?
Obama for another 4 years? Get real....

When Ron Paul becomes president, he'll have his work cut out for him....

[Fred Steeves]

.....in this empire of lies I wonder how long before words like his really are considered treason.

Just like my favorite Orwell quote: "In a time of universal deceit, speaking the truth will be a revolutionary act". Well, if this is the new and improved definition of treason, I proudly stand guilty as charged. Let's dance.

Thanks Jack, great video!

Cheers,
Fred

[risveglio]

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[Maia Gabrial]

It doesn't get any better than this, Risveglio! I'd say Americans ARE waking up!

[TargeT]

It doesn't get any better than this, Risveglio! I'd say Americans ARE waking up!

waking up to what though?

Controlled opisition?

I was die hard RP supporter back in 2008, but then I did a little deeper looking....

Now I've completely given up on the political scene, Ron Paul is (IMO) controlled oposition, he is the gate keeper to 9/11 truth & he is holding the gate firmly shut... he is the steam release valve that is needed in a society of dichotomy where one side is too heavily represented, or rather, the mask of the "two sides" that we have to pick from is slipping, so now we get RP..

Same thing happened in england back when they went to a 3 party system & look where they are now.

Plus he fits the mold (background wise)... am I wrong, check into it and see for yourself.