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Humble Janitor
22nd August 2010, 08:11
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100820005843/en


Ron Paul: Left and the Right Demagogue Mosque, Islam

LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Congressman Ron Paul today released the following statement on the controversy concerning the construction of an Islamic Center and Mosque in New York City:

“Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?

“It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”

“The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.

“Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

“Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

“In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

“They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers from in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.

“The claim is that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And, we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.

“The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.

“Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.

“This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.

“There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?

“If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.

“The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.

“Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.

“Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam--the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.

“It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

“The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars.

“The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a Congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque—a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law—in order to look tough against Islam.

“This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

“We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.

“Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.”


Very accurate article and I don't usually agree with Mr.Paul. I think he knows the truth more than anyone else I've seen regarding this non-issue.

Lost Soul
22nd August 2010, 15:45
He's right about the smoke and mirrors.

The economy continues to slide down the toilet. With the census workers laid off, the unemployment is back up (over double digits in many states), foreclosures continue, national debt grows at $3.9 billion a day, peoples' holdings are dwindling either due to increased expenses or inflation (remember when you could buy a 1/2 gallon of ice cream?), we as a nation march closer to facism and totalitarianism every day, we continue wars overseas that we can't afford.

In the meantime, we are distracted by our bread (dignity cards) and circus (American Idol, sports, media created nonsense like celebrity break-up).

Most of the members here have awakened, are on a spiritual path and should continue on it.

Humble Janitor
23rd August 2010, 00:34
Yep. I knew Ron Paul had to be good for something. If he runs for President, I'm certainly tempted. He'd have to keep his son Rand on a leash though. I strongly dislike Rand.

Moemers
23rd August 2010, 01:10
Ron > Rand

If I decide to vote, and Ron's in the running, he's my guy.

Humble Janitor
23rd August 2010, 05:32
It's too bad this will get little or no coverage in the mainstream. It doesn't fit the agenda.

wynderer
24th August 2010, 13:54
a clip, w/URL if anyone wants to read the full article, supporting Ron Paul's statement:

Masterminds, Mosques and Mass Insanity: “War on Terrorism” Propaganda Ratcheted up Ahead of War Escalation

By Larry Chin

URL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20703

Global Research, August 20, 2010

Exemplified by the furor over the so-called “Ground Zero mosque” in New York, and rumors of a new Al-Qaeda “mastermind”, 9/11 “war on terrorism” propaganda has been ramped up to deafening levels by various political factions.



Nearly a decade since Bush/Cheney’s 9/11 false flag deception, a fearful, self-destructive American mass public remains fully brainwashed by “war on terrorism” deception--- ignorant of history, and militantly oblivious to facts.



“Ground Zero mosque”: the art of missing the point



The ludicrous uproar over plans to build a Muslim community center in New York, the so-called “Ground Zero mosque” has dominated mainstream corporate news headlines. Political players from all sides, including President Barack Obama have joined the fray, attempting to prove themselves the superior “anti-terrorist”, or the better “commemorator of 9/11, when 3,000 people were killed by Muslim terrorists”. The right-wing is going berserk, gleefully.



Heated arguments have exploded around religion, tolerance, democracy, etc.---everything except the only fact that matters: 9/11 was a false flag operation, courtesy of the Bush-Cheney administration, carried out by an elite consensus, in order to justify the “war on terrorism”, and everything that came with it. Mass murder. Unending resource conquest. A police state within US borders. Open criminality.



The perpetual threat posed by a fabricated outside enemy, and a militarized, fearful populace, remain the centerpieces of elite policy, and they have been consistently maintained by both Bush/Cheney and Obama administrations. The demonization of Muslims continues to facilitate pillage.



While violent hatred continues to be directed at Muslims (and all “foreigners”), the criminals who truly massacred 3,000 people in the World Trade Center continue to enjoy power, wealth, and high positions of world “leadership” and remain in control of virtually every aspect of society. Those who perpetuate the cover-up (including the Obama administration) still “run the world”, to mass public enthusiasm.



As the “Ground Zero mosque” mushrooms into a full-blown election year battle cry by one faction or another, not whisper of truth appears in any corporate media coverage. Meanwhile, the exhaustive and available information thoroughly exposing and destroying the official “war on terrorism” narrative is unknown to a minority of people whose critical faculties remain intact.



Mike Ruppert’s Crossing the Rubicon exposed why and how 9/11 was likely carried out by Bush/Cheney. Michel Chossudovsky’s America’s “War on Terrorism” thoroughly exposed the 9/11 deception, as well as the fact that 1) the “war on terrorism” is a fabrication that serves as the eternal pretext for global war, and that 2) “Al-Qaeda” and other “Islamic jihad” front are military-intelligence assets that have been continuously supported, managed and “run” by the CIA and affiliates such as Pakistan’s ISI on behalf of Anglo-American geostrategic interests (notably oil) going back to the Cold War. A vast number of researchers (all derided as “9/11 truthers”) such David Ray Griffin continue to detail various aspects of the case including physical evidence.



Oblivious to the availability of this mountain of “conspiracy fact”, the vast majority of the population chooses to embrace the Big Lie.



New “Al-Qaeda” mastermind named



In recent weeks, mainstream corporate news headlines have exploded with the “revelation” that “Al-Qaeda” has a new leader of global operations “in charge of planning future attacks”: Adnan Shukrijumah



According to Miami-based FBI counterterrorism agent Greg LeBlanc, whose Associated Press interview in early August is the single source for the new spate of repeated headlines, Shukrijumah is alleged to be a 15-year resident of the US “intimately familiar with American society”, and is the son of a Muslim cleric trained in Saudi Arabia. He have lived in Miramar, Florida before joining terror training camps in Afghanistan in the 1990s, in order to fight the persecution of Muslims in Bosnia, Chechnya and elsewhere.

Tagged by LeBlanc as the successor to his former boss Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), and taking orders directly from Osama bin Laden. A clip of Shukrijumah posted by the FBI is gibberish.



There is nothing new about the Shukrijumah narrative. It is an intelligence “legend” years in the making.



Chaim Kupferberg, whose classic analysis of post-9/11 “terror” propaganda (Part 1 and Part Two) are definitive, offered the following thoughts on Shukrijumah in 2004 in a piece titled The "Official" Operative Clique for the Next 9/11.

irishspirit
19th September 2010, 09:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5spJqCGTAE&feature=player_embedded#!

conk
20th September 2010, 20:25
Find the online videos of Chris Martenson. Scary! Yes, this is going to be bad for many.

Humble Janitor
21st September 2010, 08:14
You know, Ron Paul does have his moments of brilliance.

But, until we see large food lines and stockbrokers jumping out of windows, there's no way this current economic situation even comes close to the Great Depression.

Luke
21st September 2010, 11:20
But, until we see large food lines and stockbrokers jumping out of windows, there's no way this current economic situation even comes close to the Great Depression.

1. There would be no food lines, because it's handled with food stamps now. About 40 million of them. (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6465E220100507)
2. The few stockbrockers that jumped in the 30's, did that because they did lost everything, and still have hell to pay. Due federal regulations and securities, there is no such situation now. That's part of "Moral Hazard" problem .. when you can take risks knowing you would not have to pay for looses, you will never, ever leave the casino.

When you design a building, you make it to bend before it will break, so the people would evacuate in time. With current "building" walls are propped with so many clever "devices" no one really knows when critical failure will happen. One day gravity will do its thing. One thing for sure: looking at how normal building went down is no help in current scenario.

Lost Soul
21st September 2010, 12:54
You know, Ron Paul does have his moments of brilliance.

But, until we see large food lines and stockbrokers jumping out of windows, there's no way this current economic situation even comes close to the Great Depression.

I wouldn't discount it. When the world gets tired of the dollar, it may be dumped as the world's reserve currency. Then all that printing the Fed Res did under the four stimulus bills as well as the mini-stimulus bills will come back to haunt us. Our dollars return home and our currency hyper-inflates. Over night savings will be destroyed. Hyper-inflation happened in the Confederacy here in America, Weimar Germany and more recently, Zimbabwe.

I also don't rely on government statistics on unemployment or GDP. When the numbers don't look good, they eliminate a factor to cause it to buoy up. ShadowStats still calculates figures as they were originally done. Unemployment is much higher than the 9.5% the government tells us about. Folks who don't qualify for unemployment aren't counted anymore and fall off the radar. About 40% of Americans don't pay taxes and 30% (or so) are living on Government support.

The bright side is that all this "economic" situation is man made. The important thing to focus on is spiritual salvation.

jackovesk
19th November 2010, 13:51
Here Here Ron Paul...

In perhaps his most impassioned and irate speech to date, Congressman Ron Paul unleashed a tirade of vilification at the TSA and their security procedures that have stoked nationwide outrage, stating “enough is enough” as he introduced new legislation to that would open the way for TSA employees to be sued for groping Americans or putting them through dangerous naked body scanners, preventing travelers ‘from being treated like cattle’.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-N5adYM7Kw&feature=player_embedded

Ron Paul introduced legislation to protect Americans from physical and emotional abuse by federal Transportation Security Administration (TSA) employees conducting screenings at the nation’s airports:

A BILL – HR 6416

To ensure that certain Federal employees cannot hide behind immunity.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. NO IMMUNITY FOR CERTAIN AIRPORT SCREENING METHODS.

No law of the United States shall be construed to confer any immunity for a Federal employee or agency or any individual or entity that receives Federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact (including contact with any clothing the individual is wearing), x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of a individual’s body covered by clothing as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft. The preceding sentence shall apply even if the individual or the individual’s parent, guardian, or any other individual gives consent.

Elandiel BernElve
19th November 2010, 14:19
How could one even want such a TSA job... ?
Not my kind of American Dream.

Ahkenaten
19th November 2010, 15:38
Perhaps perverts are lining up for these jobs

conk
19th November 2010, 16:02
Is this the only sane person left in Congress? At least the one with the most guts and fire! Love Ron Paul. A true stateman!

Fredkc
19th November 2010, 16:04
No law of the United States shall be construed to confer any immunity for a Federal employee or agency or any individual or entity that receives Federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact (including contact with any clothing the individual is wearing), x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of a individual’s body covered by clothing as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft.

That's my man!!

Conk;
He has been the ONLY sane person in congress for 30 years!

This is why everyone else in Congress calls him a kook. Because he loves liberty above all else.

Ahkenaten
19th November 2010, 16:05
Ron Paul takes enormous personal risks making the statements he makes. Although we are all human and surely he also has skeletons in his closet, if certain factions we able to pin a salacious affair, financial ill-dealings, or other sordid acts on Ron Paul they would have done it by now, which is a testament to his character. That is not to say that at some point he will not have crossed the line and something will have to be done to correct the situation. Remember Paul Wellstone's "plane accident"? There are others who have already paid the price for having the courage to speak truth to power.

Fredkc
19th November 2010, 16:15
Ank;
Like I said above, he has a proven, 30 year history of saying exactly this kind of thing. And the so-called skeletons have been made up. I have been reading and listening to this man for almost 20 years. He is one of a kind.

If anyone has an interest, you can go over a collection of articles, and later videos, and speeches before congress, that go back to 1994 right here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html).

This speech is not, repeat NOT uncommon. It's just good ol' Ron Paul on a Thursday ;)
Fred

Sarahmay
19th November 2010, 16:21
Well, he doesn't believe in liberty about everything...he does think states should outlaw abortion because of his religious beliefs. But I'm glad he's taking on this issue.

Ahkenaten
19th November 2010, 16:48
Fredkc I am an admirer of Ron Paul and have been for a long time. While I may not always agree with each and every position he takes on political issues there is an inner consistency and cohesiveness overall to Ron's positions on public policy issues that indicates that he is a man of integrity, honesty and true character, a rare phenomenon in political life. He is a one-in-a-million man in that sense. Unfortunately there are not many like him in the political realm or elsewhere!

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p.s. saramay - I believe Ron's position on abortion is that it is a state's rights issue, not one with which the US government should be dealing, which would be consistent with his very traditional conservative views of reducing the power and authority of the Federal Government in deference to the more representative decentralized power of the States who after all should be closer to the people and whose policies should therefor be more truly representative of the divergent views at that level. But maybe I am wrong about this.

Rocky_Shorz
19th November 2010, 16:57
Well the 112 is going to be interesting because Ron Paul now has others joining him on the edge of what Capitalists will allow...

Sarahmay
19th November 2010, 17:06
[/COLOR]p.s. saramay - I believe Ron's position on abortion is that it is a state's rights issue, not one with which the US government should be dealing, which would be consistent with his very traditional conservative views of reducing the power and authority of the Federal Government in deference to the more representative decentralized power of the States who after all should be closer to the people and whose policies should therefor be more truly representative of the divergent views at that level. But maybe I am wrong about this.[/QUOTE]

Yep, that would be consistent with his opinion...however his personal beliefs are that it should be outlawed. State governments are generally run by the most conservative individuals in a given population, who can and will deprive us of our most basic rights, especially when it comes to issues involving religious beliefs. I don't support state's rights over individual rights. But enough of politics..bleh! Take down the TSA!

Fredkc
19th November 2010, 17:24
p.s. saramay - I believe Ron's position on abortion is that it is a state's rights issue

That goes to the heart of what Ron Paul has always been about.
Above all else. All. There is the Constitution (http://fredsitelive.com/politics/usconst.htm).
It is a "comprehensive", and "inclusive" contract between people who are, and still are FREE with or without it(Something almost everyone has forgotten).

Government has no business sticking it's nose into any subject not mentioned that, and then there is a catch-all called the 10th amendment. (http://fredsitelive.com/politics/usconst.htm#amd10) This says that basically, "If we didn't give some power to the Fed. Govt. then it belongs to either the states, or the people.

The Feddle Gummint has an extremely short list of what it is to oversee; on purpose. And the only way you keep them out of your hair is by insisting it stick to it's knitting. What should be, and what Ron Paul's stance points out is that many things, including abortion are properly addressed locally.

...and, because the subject came up, I will hereby give the short version of the reasons why it should be a local issue:

"Government IS force!" - G. Washington
"Government has always been, and will ever remain incapable of acting morally," - Fred

Abortion is the perfect example. In it's 220 year history, the Federal government has: Said absolutely nothing about abortion. Then...
Made it a crime, equivalent to murder. Then...
Made it as legal as having your tonsils removed.
In which case was it acting morally?

Yes, it is a trick question, because it means that whatever your choice, said government has been acting immorally for 2/3'ds or its history!

Yet for the entire time, government is defended as acting correctly, but incorrectly assumed to be "moral". the plain fact is this is government completely our of its purview. Merely asking government to take a side in this, is asking for trouble.

I will save the legal argument over the nightmare of what we currently have for later. ;)
Fred

Ahkenaten
19th November 2010, 17:49
I personally agree that individual freedom SHOULD trump government at any level but we must take things into context here. The government in the US was NEVER envisioned by the Founding Fathers to be a pure democracy, in fact given the horrifying spectacle of the French Revolution during that time, PURE DEMOCRACY was the very last thing on the Founding Fathers' minds. The form of government WAS a Constitutional Republic. That is it was implicitly understood that power was delegated to "elected officials" constituting the House and Senate to represent the views of those eligible to vote as their conscience dictated. In other words the elected officials served as a check and curb on the frightening power of the masses. This ensured that an established power structure continue under the guise of "democracy" ..... understanding full well that most of the masses would not understand that pure democracy was never contemplated. What gave the movement a freshness and energy was the revolt against the overweening power of the British Monarchy...............this movement as we know inspired many similar revolutions against colonial power around the world. And yet, because the braking mechanism, the legislative institutions, had built-in features that made them accountable to established power and influence, over time it was inevitable that this form of "Democracy" would itself fall victim to the same forces against which it had revolted. This is because eventually the powerful would purchase influence for themselves and pack the Legislature, converting it into a pure instrument of power and control of the less than 1%. This is what we have today in most so-called "democracies" around the world. It was inevitable that this would happen and in fact was foretold even by intellectuals amongst the British House of Lords since shortly after the American Revolution. If you are patient enough and have the staying power and money to work behind the scenes for generations, eventually things can be manipulated to work out just they way you want them to!

Fredkc
19th November 2010, 17:56
in fact given the horrifying spectacle of the French Revolution during that time, PURE DEMOCRACY was the very last thing on the Founding Fathers' minds.
Bingo !!
"Democracy is two wolves and one sheep, deciding what's for dinner." - H L Mencken ;)

Also, I did a little research one time, concerning the notion that the Constitution, even the revolution, was something foisted upon a bunch of "ignorant farmers" but an elitist group. Balderdash!

In 1789, the literacy rate among us folk stood at 90%! Remember also that, in those days, being "literate" meant being able to read both English and Latin. And that the Constitution was one of the most published, and debated documents of the time, which included being on the wall of almost every pub in New England, along with the Federalist Papers, debating it.

Food fer thought,
Fred

Ahkenaten
19th November 2010, 18:11
It is an amazing thing to look into the literacy of people during the late 1700s in the US. If one reads, for example, the Federalist Papers - though this was the work of intellectuals not the common man - the complexity and subtlety of the thinking and manner of verbal articulation surpasses most of what reads or comes into contact with today! Of course this was during the "age of enlightenment" when true education and all that implies was actually valued. In contrast to the present, it is a sad commentary on human development and public discourse. To think that one room school houses and home schooling could produce that level of human intellectual development! What a waste, for the most part, our so-called educational institutions which are mostly human warehouses and Delgado training fields. A dictionary dating back to the 1800's is almost twice the size of current dictionaries indicating a reduction in our lexicon inversely proportional to our technological and scientific "advances" - which surely is not a mere coincidence!

Fredkc
19th November 2010, 18:43
I have a page (http://fredsitelive.com/politics/) on my site where I keep all of these documents.
Dec. Of Independence
U.S, Constitution
Federalist Papers, Anti-Fed Papers,
Minutes of the Constitutional Convention
A Collection of Thomas Jefferson's Writings.
Democracy In America
and things-like-that-there.

My site is completely free. Completely non-commercial. It is one of my "pay it forwards" things, I do which came out of my desire to archive a collection of important documents and literature (http://fredsitelive.com/books/index.php) for my grand children.
Enjoy,
Fred

giovonni
14th December 2010, 00:43
By Rocky Vega

12/10/10 Baltimore, Maryland – This morning, Dr. Ron Paul (R-TX) held his first interview since being appointed chair of the House Monetary Policy Subcommittee. From what he says in the video below, he’s going “to think things through and not overdo things too soon,” but ultimately plans to stick to his guns, and “emphasize the oversight of the Federal Reserve.”

He also points out why he views his new role as important in these times…

“Obviously, it is very popular with the American people to audit the Fed and know what they’re doing when they can spend trillions of dollars and we don’t know where it goes. They have a bigger budget; they spend more money than the Congress does. Yet, we have no oversight. It was never intended that a secret body like this could create money out of thin air spend to take care of some banks and big business and foreign banks and the American people struggle? We have to look into it and we have to start to consider reforms.”

You can see and hear more details in the clip below, which came to our attention via Bloomberg Television in its recent exclusive interview with Ron Paul.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHUCAYdq6I8&feature=player_embedded

WyoSeeker
14th December 2010, 17:12
We can only hope that Ron Paul executes his investigation with vigor and morality. Somehow the news that he's been appointed to audit the Fed sounds too good. I can't imagine "They" would allow this unless it was under "Their" control.

Seikou-Kishi
14th December 2010, 17:15
Executes might well be the keyword there, WyoSeeker

Rocky_Shorz
14th December 2010, 17:27
nobody else had the Kahunas to do it...

Ron Paul *** bring back the greenbacks so the Fed doesn't have the power to strangle our country for the benefit of a few elite bankers... ***

rgray222
14th December 2010, 18:32
If more people took time to understand who the Federal Reserve is and what their function is there would be absolute outrage in the country! Unfortunately people will only take the time to understand when the Fed starts to change their lives. i.e. failure of the dollar, collapse of the economy or hyperinflation and by then it will be too late. The Powers that be would not be inexsitence if it were not for the Federal Reserve!
Ron Paul is and excellent start at turning the tide, lets hope and can make some changes, the very least of which would be an audit program!

conk
14th December 2010, 19:10
rgray222, I given 10 minute dissertations to friends and family on the Fed, Jekyl Island, etc. Often the response I get is, "er, ah, hey, how 'bout those Yankees"?

If you can't explain it in 45 seconds their eyes glaze over. "Buy gold and silver? What would I do with that"?

irishspirit
15th December 2010, 21:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2RYInpGyAc&feature=player_embedded

giovonni
15th December 2010, 22:43
A further note to "Ron Paul's Moment"http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/18/ron_paul.jpg

Exerts from Bloomberg Businessweek's ~ most recent interview and article on Ron Paul;

It has taken Ron Paul 34 years to arrive at this moment and he does not intend to squander it. During that time GOP leaders have been "working to keep me away from this".

..."says Representative Bill Posey, a Florida Republican and unabashed Paul fan. "The depth of his knowledge on monetary policy, his understanding of it all, is second to known."

Posey nominated the Fed bill for "best legislation" award by House Republican freshmen this year. The bill, calling for a government audit of Fed operations, including its monetary policy decisions, won unanimously. Even though a watered down version included in the financial regulation law enacted in July. Paul wants to give the audit measure another shot and is counting on a new, high profile perch to do so. "traditionally, this subcommittee has been very insignificant," Paul says "I'm absolutely going to change that." :clap2:

From Phil Mattingly and Robert Schmidt

Teakai
16th December 2010, 01:10
Ah, by gum and beggorah - the mainstream news is just sooooo transparently pathetic, isn't it?

*sigh*

fifi
16th December 2010, 01:25
So far, Ron Paul seems to speak out a lot of truth here, on mainstream media, too. That's a good thing, imo.

Fredkc
16th December 2010, 15:20
From a Fortune interview (http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2010/12/14/congressman-ron-paul-end-the-fed/):

But some would consider ending the Fed is a bit extreme, don't you think?
No, I think printing money is extreme and crazy. I think the obscenity is allowing the Federal Reserve to print $3.3 trillion and we don't even know where it went. That to me is what's so extreme. And that's what the American people are waking up to. Government is extremely out of control.

Do you think we're better off without a Central Bank?
Sure, it's better off that we don't have depressions and inflations and financial chaos and the problems that we face. We of course wouldn't have this backdoor financing of big government fighting wars overseas and getting people to depend on the welfare state. None of that can happen without a Federal Reserve.

jackovesk
12th February 2011, 23:59
Whether your into US Politics or not you should all listen to one of the few Patriots & Libertarians left in American politics.

Ron Paul has an unblemished voting record and has been re-elected at least 10 times as a Texas Congressman!

You want to Hope & Pray he not only runs for President in 2012, but wins it aswell..!

Go Ron Paul..!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM8d_Arjz6g&feature=player_embedded#at=232

Noble Hops
13th February 2011, 01:13
Love the man!

ktlight
5th April 2011, 10:00
This is from an interview in 1988, explosive information that nobody listened to then and nobody will listen to now


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogdzc1Kgmno

Nortreb
5th April 2011, 10:43
Thanks for this ktlight! Wow!

PHARAOH
5th April 2011, 11:25
For those who ask; "Is there a Doctor in the House"? I give you Ron Paul for President in 2012.

tcjim1
5th April 2011, 12:24
This doesn't surprise me at all............. Thanks for posting this.

Lord Sidious
5th April 2011, 13:35
How about Ron Paul as president and Jessie the Body Ventura as vice president?

Calz
5th April 2011, 13:39
How about Ron Paul as president and Jessie the Body Ventura as vice president?

Saw that one too.

*DING DING DING*

Gets my vote :)

Can we clone Jessie for head of Justice Department and Homeland Security???

grannyfranny100
5th April 2011, 14:11
How cute to see an earlier picture of Ron Paul. How about Ron Paul (R) for Pres, Dennis Kucinich (D) for VP?

DawgBone
5th April 2011, 14:20
How about Ron Paul as president and Jessie the Body Ventura as vice president?

Ventura could body slam his political opponents.

It might work!

onawah
5th April 2011, 15:27
It's pretty common knowledge here in Arkansas that Bill Clinton's campaign was funded by drugs that were smuggled in via an airport in Mena, a small town here. But since the Rockefellers pretty much own Arkansas, nothing much could be done about it. I read somewhere that Hilary is not in the running for high office again because she's been told in no uncertain terms that if she does, all the dirt about the drug running will come to light. Sorry I can't give the source for that as I don't recall,, but maybe someone else here on the Forum knows .

Shezbeth
5th April 2011, 20:38
I would Ron Paul as pres, Alan Grayson as VP, Rand Paul as Sec Treas, and Jesse as DOD ^_^

Thanks for this video and the discussions

Cjay
6th April 2011, 15:01
This is from an interview in 1988, explosive information that nobody listened to then and nobody will listen to now


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogdzc1Kgmno

This correlates with information in the book "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer - first published in 1982. I think we will find that a lot of people are listening, especially with the booming popularity of the Internet but the mainstream media is still controlled.

See this post for an overview and a link to the book:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17640-Mother-Nature-as-our-Chemotherapy&p=190648&viewfull=1#post190648

Lost Soul
6th April 2011, 15:07
The media has consistently either ignored Ron Paul or portrayed him as a whack job. That said, I think his credibility is greater than most politicians.

truthseekerdan
6th April 2011, 17:07
Some encouraging news for those that follow politics. ;)

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/539/214/Ron_Paul_-_Jesse_Ventura_Presidential_Ticket_Percolating.htm l

crosby
6th April 2011, 18:14
i am 100% behind Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura. this is an important step to keep the awakening movement moving forward. everyone needs too look, listen and feel what this man brings too the table. he is the man.........
warmest regards, corson

iceman
8th April 2011, 00:51
Ron paul is the Man..........We need him to come up here and run for primeminster here in canada
right now we are have a election because are goverment can`t make a decision on(how to waste my tax money) the budget
peace
iceman

AlternativeInfoJunkie
18th April 2011, 00:44
I found this video very inspiring. Especially how the song goes with Ron's prophetic words. I wish there were more video compilations of Ron speaking with uplifting/ inspirational music... but alas, I do not have video editing software. You guys I really think he has a much better chance this time. I know there will be a lot of pessimists who will say "the powers that be will just kill him" or "they will just rig the ellection" and i must admit that those are posibilities (the latter is even more probable i think)... but according to a lot of insider sources ("Charles"/ Benjamin Fullford) the most prominent faction of the U.S. P.T.B. (Rockefeller faction) is kind of on the run. And even if they are not what are we supposed to do? I know that there has been a lot said about "peaceful non-compliance" with the system and I think that's a great idea! For the people who are already awake. But for the rest of humanity who might be having a harder time waking up wouldn't a US President like Ron Paul speed along that process for them maybe? Well anyways, my point is that it can't hurt! Might even help a lot of people wake up. Tell me what ya think!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIP_LvNuK-U&feature=player_embedded

161803398
18th April 2011, 00:50
Ron Paul said it would take about 80 years from around then for people to wake up. Its too bad.

I just read somewhere than somewhere around 50 percent of Americans dont know the earth revolves around the Sun. Its really depressing because the other 50 percent are great people!

AlternativeInfoJunkie
18th April 2011, 00:58
Ron Paul said it would take about 80 years from around then for people to wake up. Its too bad.

I just read somewhere than somewhere around 50 percent of Americans dont know the earth revolves around the Sun. Its really depressing because the other 50 percent are great people!

Ha hahaha apply for US citizenship and vote for Ron! hahahah just kidding.

ktlight
23rd April 2011, 11:49
Ron Paul warns of Intellectual Revolution to congress


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k91sG2a9S1M

DoubleHelix
23rd April 2011, 12:15
Amen to that!

Mr. Ron Paul with Jesse Ventura as Vice... Could it really happen? is there enough support? and would the PTB let it happen without rigging the voting?

Lord Sidious
23rd April 2011, 12:21
Now that is how a MAN speaks, not a servant.
I can't help but like the things I hear him say.
I think him and The Body would make a great team, whether they would be able to put a saddle on the beast and break it in, that part I don't know.
But I do know they would give it one hell of a try.
The time for talk and compromise is gone, the time of standing and fighting is almost here.
Are you all ready?
I was born ready.

Hughe
23rd April 2011, 12:26
Replacing USA with other nations, it does explain all the government in the world.

Tony
23rd April 2011, 13:24
We need to increase our collective intelligence and work together.

pie'n'eal

tcjim1
23rd April 2011, 13:45
Ron is right on about the waisted American tax dollars spent on these ridiculous wars. I listened to Bob Dean recently and he made a comment of how stupid going to war is. That comment stuck with me. War is a stupid manipulated game ran by power hungry evil men.
I would love to see Ron Paul as president. Thank you for posting this video.

Karma Ninja
23rd April 2011, 14:00
Having watched a number of Ron Pauls speeches to Congress and on his websites I can only say that this man is a straight talker. He aligns himself with the Republicans but his message is starkly different from his fellow party members. His words defy partisanship and speak to the common people. He is a glowing sign of hope in country where so little is available.

This man is getting older and will need to pass the torch...who will it be America? Is there someone else coming down the line that shares his passion for justice, peace and common sense. His base seems to be with the younger crowd and it is our youth who will lead us out of this quagmire. I say 'us' even though I am Canadian. We are all in this mess together and we all need to act as one...Globally. Good Americans are easy to find. This was made clear to me as a teenager when I went to an American School while living in Japan. Those friendships are still alive today and i cherish them. Americans are damn good people! Now are we brave enough to stand up to our oppressors and demand change?

I know there are enough good Americans to make a change. I could find many willing and wanting the change right here on this website. I'll do my part up here in Canada and if the time comes I will stand by my American friends if they need my help. A revolution of the minds of people...a turning point in history is ours...if we want it.

Peace and Happy Easter to those who celebrate!

Lost Soul
23rd April 2011, 14:03
He is spot on. However, for most of Congress, it's business as usual with the selling out of America to the multi-national corporations, over-spending of the public purse with no thought on the consequences, and most important of all, personal enrichment. Gone are the days when citizens considered it an honor and civic duty to serve their fellows in Congress.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
23rd April 2011, 15:01
Hey fellow American Avalonians! Let's try to campaign for Ron as hard as we can if he runs!

Snowbird
23rd April 2011, 15:13
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul

If Ron Paul decides to run for President in 2012, that is if our country still exists by then, he will have my support. I will switch to Republican...but only if he runs. This being the case, we need to begin to seriously pray for his protection so that he is not brain-controlled and not suicided and that the voting system of this country will not be tampered with and controlled. Plus, we need to begin to financially support his campaign.


Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%

Pit maverick Republican Congressman Ron Paul against President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 election match-up, and the race is – virtually dead even.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41


This vid was banned by Youtube and was brought back to life. I can see why!

Youtube Banned Incredible Ron Paul Video - VidoEmo - Emotional Video Unity.flv

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs27A2zhfrw&feature=related


This speech by Ron Paul is perfect for this holiday weekend! I give this one five stars!


Ron Paul's What If ? Remastered

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAF-Alc7CM&feature=related


Barack Obama - 42% Ron Paul - 41%

Ron Paul: A 2012 Revolution

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6D3uPLlCu8&feature=related

Arpheus
23rd April 2011, 15:54
Why cant there be more politicians like this man?It would help so much to make the changes that need to be done !

Siberia9
23rd April 2011, 16:30
Someone put up one of his speeches from twenty some years ago on facebook, he looked alot younger but he was saying the same pro constitutional small federal govt stuff, consistant. The inside talk in DC that I am hearing from family is that he is about to publicly reveal his run for President.

Meadowlark
23rd April 2011, 18:23
If he runs for president, I really doubt he'll ever be able to make it out of the Republican primary, so the real question is whether he'd then be willing to run for president as an independent.

I read his book The Revolution a few years ago and really enjoyed it. I don't agree with all his ideas, but he's willing to talk about a number of important topics that most politicians won't even discuss.

Siberia9
23rd April 2011, 18:30
Yeah there isnt going to be anyone who we are going to agree with totaly. Dr Paul has to fly with the regular folks because he cant afford to fly on private jets, why? because he doesnt take the million dollar payoffs and no show jobs from the lobyist to vote against the American people and for the big corporations, that and the fact that he his pro constitutional is all I need to know. The rest I can live with.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
23rd April 2011, 18:31
I think that we should reach for the stars, hold on to our dreams and not let our fears/ insecurities be our own inhibitors. We, as Americans, can make Ron president if we try! Let's do this America! Don't give up!

giovonni
23rd April 2011, 18:37
Ron's not only on the money with his rant...but i'm starting to think his picture should be as well :wof:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSx7Ifx_k57-AOx-HXAduwb7PdgCIkVx8IP-keiKQ-PCuAbi8qf&t=1

Rocky_Shorz
23rd April 2011, 18:52
Ron Paul Campaigning against Trump...

fasten your seat belts...

Word will finally get out to the American public of what is really going on...

ps... you can't have an "Intellectual rEVOLution" without l.o.v.e...

it can't be fought...

eris23
23rd April 2011, 19:09
Ron Paul is one of the few politicians who speaks the truth about the Federal Reserve bankster cartel. If more Americans could wake up to this truth alone, there could be real hope of having a society/ culture that is organized is a much more enlightened manner. Ron Paul's 2008 presidential run did much to educate and inspire many. More and more people are recognizing the importance of individual liberty in society and this will have a positive long term effect. I am active in Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty and I know a few people who have been inspired to run for local office. This is a brave thing to do here in Illinois. It is kind of sad that many of the well intentioned but misguided voters here are addicted to collectivism and can't distinguish a true advocate for liberty from a big business necon. Their learning curve may be accelerated, however, as the economy continues its' inevitable course. We live in interesting times.

eris23
23rd April 2011, 19:42
Most of our "public servants" serve the interests of lobbyists and various other corrupt evil forces too many to came. Ron Paul is a true statesman. He is one of the few on the hill with integrity. He communicates clearly with facts and logic and he does not appeal to emotion with inflammatory rhetoric or meaningless slogans. He is always a gentleman and shows respect towards those who disagree with him. I wish everyone in congress could behave in such a civil manner.

eris23
23rd April 2011, 20:08
This is a video of a March for Ron Paul that I participated in (2007)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6wBaLi330

T Smith
23rd April 2011, 21:17
Ron Paul is not an establishment candidate. Against enormous odds, he has overcome the largest hurdle by reaching the hearts of all who understand what is really going on in politics, but I'm still stuck on figuring out a way for him to win the electronic vote. The PTB can easily nip any Ron Paul threat in the bud by manipulating the vote. Where Madison Avenue will fail to discredit him (and they have), Diebold will pick up the baton.

Any suggestions how to avert this certitude? If we're really going to put this man in the White House, we've got a huge intellectual challenge ahead.

Lost Soul
23rd April 2011, 21:58
Concur with T Smith. The American voter is still comatose and the proof is in the number of stimulus bills passed without howls of protest from them. Their savings, investments and retirement have all been reduced in purchasing power and yet they are content to watch the television, their sports and their news media which, as most have not figured out, is an extension of the entertainment system. When's the last time someone went to the public library for a non-fiction book on politics or economics? When's the last time someone protested against government policy. Granted we had a few the other day sing a song ridiculing Obama, but that's small in comparison to the numbers who protested against Dubya.

ktlight
23rd April 2011, 22:11
Concur with T Smith. The American voter is still comatose and the proof is in the number of stimulus bills passed without howls of protest from them. Their savings, investments and retirement have all been reduced in purchasing power and yet they are content to watch the television, their sports and their news media which, as most have not figured out, is an extension of the entertainment system. When's the last time someone went to the public library for a non-fiction book on politics or economics? When's the last time someone protested against government policy. Granted we had a few the other day sing a song ridiculing Obama, but that's small in comparison to the numbers who protested against Dubya.

The tipping point will arrive. Have faith.

T Smith
23rd April 2011, 23:13
Concur with T Smith. The American voter is still comatose and the proof is in the number of stimulus bills passed without howls of protest from them. Their savings, investments and retirement have all been reduced in purchasing power and yet they are content to watch the television, their sports and their news media which, as most have not figured out, is an extension of the entertainment system. When's the last time someone went to the public library for a non-fiction book on politics or economics? When's the last time someone protested against government policy. Granted we had a few the other day sing a song ridiculing Obama, but that's small in comparison to the numbers who protested against Dubya.

The tipping point will arrive. Have faith.

I actually agree with you. The tipping point will arrive. But what to do then? When the tipping point does come, that will be only the starting point of reclaiming a just government. We should certainly begin the discussion of what comes next. There is no reason to believe the entrenched powers will lay down just because the people reach a point that results in the selection of a candidate that truly represents the interests of the people, and one who will not succumb to establishment.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
23rd April 2011, 23:24
Concur with T Smith. The American voter is still comatose and the proof is in the number of stimulus bills passed without howls of protest from them. Their savings, investments and retirement have all been reduced in purchasing power and yet they are content to watch the television, their sports and their news media which, as most have not figured out, is an extension of the entertainment system. When's the last time someone went to the public library for a non-fiction book on politics or economics? When's the last time someone protested against government policy. Granted we had a few the other day sing a song ridiculing Obama, but that's small in comparison to the numbers who protested against Dubya.

The tipping point will arrive. Have faith.

I actually agree with you. The tipping point will arrive. But what to do then? When the tipping point does come, that will be only the starting point of reclaiming a just government. We should certainly begin the discussion of what comes next. There is no reason to believe the entrenched powers will lay down just because the people reach a point that results in the selection of a candidate that truly represents the interests of the people, and one who will not succumb to establishment.

Maybe it would help if we started a serious grass roots campaign to boycot electronic voting machines. We could pass out flyers with information on how flawed they are. I already have my Ron Paul 2012 flyers written up on Microsoft Word. Is there any way to upload Word documents so Avalonians can see them?

161803398
24th April 2011, 00:10
I love him.

Chicodoodoo
24th April 2011, 01:40
Ron Paul is the real deal. I came across him about seven years ago while researching American money. Even then he was a consistent breath of fresh air, always speaking truth and refusing to be bought. It was disheartening to see him so effectively shut down by the mainstream media in the presidential primaries of the 2008 election. It was clear then that he was the people's choice, and it was also clear that the controllers would never let him succeed. He would have been quietly assassinated had the captive press failed to neutralize him, probably by an EM weapon designed to deliver a fatal heart attack, and no one would realize a murder had taken place.

The only change we will ever see is the illusory change promised by Obama, unless we create the change we wish to see in the world. No one else will do it for us. Ever.

T Smith
24th April 2011, 06:57
Ron Paul is the real deal. I came across him about seven years ago while researching American money. Even then he was a consistent breath of fresh air, always speaking truth and refusing to be bought. It was disheartening to see him so effectively shut down by the mainstream media in the presidential primaries of the 2008 election. It was clear then that he was the people's choice, and it was also clear that the controllers would never let him succeed. He would have been quietly assassinated had the captive press failed to neutralize him, probably by an EM weapon designed to deliver a fatal heart attack, and no one would realize a murder had taken place.

The only change we will ever see is the illusory change promised by Obama, unless we create the change we wish to see in the world. No one else will do it for us. Ever.

I've thought the exact same thing. However, I'm not so sure the mainstream media will be able to shut him down as effectively in a 2012 run. Many more people are awake this time around, and his message has tremendous momentum. I foresee rigged elections shutting him down this time around, followed by the sudden "heart attack", should the rigged elections somehow fail.

Ron Paul must realize this. Yet it looks like he will still run. The man has tremendous courage and integrity.

Gustav
24th April 2011, 07:50
Love the man since late 2007. Have followed his amazingly quirky campaign as I thought at that time. Only to find myself refreshing my browser every 20 seconds to see the rate at which moneybombs would grow a few months later. We would all be smart to aspire to enlighten our own friends and family even a fraction as he has done with a nation. I hope he runs and am convinced that if he is shutdown, events could spiral out of control and correctly so, because he is a moral giant and unequated in (international) politics.

My favourite. Give me some chills everytime:
FG2PUZoukfA

AlternativeInfoJunkie
24th April 2011, 15:41
Love the man since late 2007. Have followed his amazingly quirky campaign as I thought at that time. Only to find myself refreshing my browser every 20 seconds to see the rate at which moneybombs would grow a few months later. We would all be smart to aspire to enlighten our own friends and family even a fraction as he has done with a nation. I hope he runs and am convinced that if he is shutdown, events could spiral out of control and correctly so, because he is a moral giant and unequated in (international) politics.

My favourite. Give me some chills everytime:
FG2PUZoukfA

My sentiments exactly! I think that even if it looks grim, even if it's likely that the PTB would interfere in some way it's still worth fighting for because the conspiracy to interfere could be exposed. I think it is likely that it would be exposed because the number of awake and aware people has grown so much since 2008! It is worth fighting for! Don't give up because the PTB are dishonest and powerful! If we do that then they have already won...

T Smith
24th April 2011, 16:05
Don't give up because the PTB are dishonest and powerful! If we do that then they have already won...

Ron Paul's thoughts exactly, I'm sure. And hence he enters the ring knowing full well his very life is at stake.

Lord Sidious
24th April 2011, 16:13
Don't give up because the PTB are dishonest and powerful! If we do that then they have already won...

Ron Paul's thoughts exactly, I'm sure. And hence he enters the ring knowing full well his very life is at stake.

People refrain from doing things because they have children and they consider that is ''too much to lose'' but that is an excuse for cowardice.
If you have kids and you aren't part of the solution, you are leaving it for them to clean up.
We should feel we have an obligation to leave this world in a better state than when we got here.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
24th April 2011, 17:01
We have to stop these wars instigated by America. I want this thread to continue because I think Ron Paul is the best chance we've got. I refer you to a thread started by ktlight that has a great report from RT on the escalation of conflict in Libya. Of course Ron thinks it should never have been any of our business in the first place. Good ol Ron.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19068-No-sign-Gaddafi-bombed-Tripoli-NATO-wages-war-on-false-claims

giovonni
26th April 2011, 01:46
the time is right...


http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=5538&format=homepage_fullwidth


By Cameron Joseph
April 25, 2011


Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, whose outspoken libertarian views and folksy style made him a cult hero during two previous presidential campaigns, will announce on Tuesday that he's going to try a third time.

Sources close to Paul, who is in his 12th term in the House, said he will unveil an exploratory presidential committee, a key step in gearing up for a White House race. He will also unveil the campaign’s leadership team in Iowa, where the first votes of the presidential election will be cast in caucuses next year.

Paul, 75, ran as the Libertarian Party candidate in 1988, finishing with less than one half a percent of the vote. After more than a decade as a Republican congressman, Paul gave it another shot in the 2008 presidential election, gaining attention for being the only Republican candidate calling for the end to the war in Iraq and for his “money bomb” fundraising strategy, which brought in millions of dollars from online donors in single-day pushes.

Paul took 10 percent of the vote in the Iowa caucuses and 8 percent in New Hampshire’s primary. He finished second, with 14 percent of the vote, in the Nevada caucuses, and eventually finished fourth in the Republican nominating process with 5.6 percent of the total vote. Paul’s campaign book, The Revolution: A Manifesto also reached No. 1 on The New York Times best-seller list in 2008.

This would seem to be an ideal year for Paul: Since the last election, the Republican Party has moved much closer to his view on deficit reduction, which made him an early tea party favorite. All of the party's top-tier presidential hopefuls are focusing on lowering debt, government spending, and tax rates, issues Paul has long advocated.

Source;
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/ron-paul-launches-presidential-campaign-20110425

AlternativeInfoJunkie
26th April 2011, 01:59
We can do it guys! Campaign hard!

dddanieljjjamesss
26th April 2011, 02:04
I don't trust him, I'm sorry.
And its because I agree with him 100%.
I'm not willing to be tricked again
and we have no need for presidents or the government.

giovonni
26th April 2011, 02:14
It's getting very hard to believe or trust anything flowing from the tongues of any politicians these days.
One has to wonder if any of this will even matter in the coming days ?

AlternativeInfoJunkie
26th April 2011, 02:49
Don't give up! If Ron Paul flips and changes his values once he gets in office (hypothetical) it will wake even MORE people up! Think logically you guys. it's a win / win. period.

Chicodoodoo
26th April 2011, 06:47
I believe Ron Paul is the real deal, but our system of elections is not. The system is so corrupt, any legitimate candidate that would challenge the corruption would never have a chance.

PHARAOH
26th April 2011, 11:12
He will get my contribution, vote and support. Ron Paul is well liked and supported within the hip hop community as well. :cool::smokin::cool: :focus:

norman
26th April 2011, 11:20
I thought they put a 'black' president into the whithouse to take the cultural hit of a collapse of America.

If they think he can't win again, they may well want to let Ron Paul have the gig from hell instead.

crosby
26th April 2011, 13:02
right on...... i am 100% behind Ron Paul. his platform speaks loudly and is against everything that we've been facing up till now. i think he has a super huge following and it keeps getting bigger. spread the word...... this could be the awakening for the rest of the masses.
warmest regards, corson

meeradas
26th April 2011, 13:31
He's had, and still has my support.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
26th April 2011, 14:51
right on...... I am 100% behind ron paul. His platform speaks loudly and is against everything that we've been facing up till now. I think he has a super huge following and it keeps getting bigger. Spread the word...... This could be the awakening for the rest of the masses.
Warmest regards, corson

exactlyyyy!

AlternativeInfoJunkie
26th April 2011, 14:57
I believe Ron Paul is the real deal, but our system of elections is not. The system is so corrupt, any legitimate candidate that would challenge the corruption would never have a chance.

That doesn't address my point. If they interfere it could be exposed and wake more people up (win). If the get to him and scare him so bad that he changes his values it will wake even more people up (win).
If he gets in and actually tries to help the people of the united states it will wake more people up (win). DON'T BE SO NEGATIVE GUYS! ITS A WIN / WIN / WIN!

Davidallany
26th April 2011, 17:17
I believe Ron Paul is the real deal, but our system of elections is not. The system is so corrupt, any legitimate candidate that would challenge the corruption would never have a chance.
Agreed.The whole system is rotten no matter how much perfume you put on it, it still stinks.

GlassSteagallfan
26th April 2011, 19:08
My favorite too. Hopefully Jesse Ventura for VP.


As for voting, ummmmmmmm.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thcO_olHas

Chicodoodoo
26th April 2011, 20:59
That doesn't address my point. If they interfere it could be exposed and wake more people up (win).

DON'T BE SO NEGATIVE GUYS! ITS A WIN / WIN / WIN!

I don't mean to be negative, but I do mean to be realistic.

"They" already interfered with Ron Paul in the last election. It could have been exposed (some of it was), and it could have awakened even more people (and it did). However, the end result was Obama, meaning another deceptive puppet to keep the sheeple distracted, exactly as planned. It's hard to get more transparent than that under the current conditions of massive mind control and propaganda. Are we making any changes to this insane charade we repeat every four years? Nope. We're still marching to the same drum beat the controllers have had us moving to all of our lives.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
26th April 2011, 21:18
That doesn't address my point. If they interfere it could be exposed and wake more people up (win).

DON'T BE SO NEGATIVE GUYS! ITS A WIN / WIN / WIN!

I don't mean to be negative, but I do mean to be realistic.

"They" already interfered with Ron Paul in the last election. It could have been exposed (some of it was), and it could have awakened even more people (and it did). However, the end result was Obama, meaning another deceptive puppet to keep the sheeple distracted, exactly as planned. It's hard to get more transparent than that under the current conditions of massive mind control and propaganda. Are we making any changes to this insane charade we repeat every four years? Nope. We're still marching to the same drum beat the controllers have had us moving to all of our lives.

But this could be the begining of some actual meaningful change. As president he could lead the charge. I see very little downside in being enthusiastic about Ron Paul.

Aquai
26th April 2011, 21:25
He has my vote, again. Although he will probably never be elected because "they" wont allow it.

giovonni
26th April 2011, 21:33
"Congressman Ron Paul sits in on The View to discuss his new book, 'Liberty Defined', while explaining how ideas of freedom would work in practice."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5yN3eExXvs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5yN3eExXvs

giovonni
26th April 2011, 21:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UzgA5jb4o0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UzgA5jb4o0&feature=related

giovonni
26th April 2011, 21:46
whether he's the change to come or not...he speaks of the change we (America) really need.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UzgA5jb4o0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UzgA5jb4o0&feature=related

T Smith
27th April 2011, 01:22
I don't trust him, I'm sorry.
And its because I agree with him 100%.
I'm not willing to be tricked again
and we have no need for presidents or the government.

I agree it is hard to trust politicians.
However, if you judge a man by his deeds, and not his rhetoric, it's hard not to trust Ron Paul. This man's the real deal.

giovonni
27th April 2011, 04:38
Ron Paul announces presidential run, says Obama can't win youth vote
Story/video:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20057611-503544.html

Chicodoodoo
27th April 2011, 06:36
But this could be the begining of some actual meaningful change. As president he could lead the charge. I see very little downside in being enthusiastic about Ron Paul.

I agree that Ron Paul is an excellent candidate to support and be enthusiastic about. There is a downside, though. The election process is so controlled, so thoroughly corrupted by money, that any participation by American citizens is a complete charade, essentially a waste of time and effort, unless you consider the entertainment value of the emotional roller coaster you'll be put through, which always ends in disappointment. I've been through the experience a number of times, including Ron Paul's last run for President. I finally get it. I have been participating in a gigantic con-game, always with the expectation to win, but since the game is rigged, the "mark" always loses. In reality, the game needs to be shut down, the con-artists need to be identified and arrested, and the public needs to be instructed on how to recognize con-games. This will not happen because the con-artists also create our money (another lucrative and highly successful con-game) and have solid control of our society and all critical positions of control and power, including the mind-numbing mass media.

I know that sounds negative, but all the evidence I've seen continues to support it as truth. I wish it wasn't so, and I will continue to look at all the old and new evidence in the hopes that I can prove that I've been mistaken.

161803398
27th April 2011, 07:12
I'm in Canada so I cant vote for Ron Paul. But I have always found American politics interesting because its a bit like watching a horror movie. Everyone once in a while I see a good presidential candidate and I am always amazed that, that the best and brightest always seem to be supported by a small core group of intelligent people but are largely ignored. Ron Paul is one of the most educated, informed, intelligent and dedicated people I've ever seen in politics. I don't believe he will be elected only because I have no faith that intelligence and not propaganda is what people base their decisions on. But its wonderful to listen to him speak and imagine what kind of country he could inspire if he could carry out his intentions. It takes a great deal of time and effort to be able to say the things Ron Paul does because his ideas require intellect and education - no fake can do that. Fakes have their speeches written for them; they are actors who learn to walk and talk for effect. Does anyone even notice that? Then there are people like Richard Nixon who are bright but look guilty all the time for good reason. I notice a lot of Americans are really into movies and maybe they think that the way movie stars act is normal. I don't know. But what I do notice is that no one seems to care about the phony politicians prancing around when, to me, they look just look phoney. But then I can't even stand to watch most American movies because no one ever looks real. How much unreality can you expose yourself to before it starts to look normal.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th April 2011, 14:42
But this could be the begining of some actual meaningful change. As president he could lead the charge. I see very little downside in being enthusiastic about Ron Paul.

I agree that Ron Paul is an excellent candidate to support and be enthusiastic about. There is a downside, though. The election process is so controlled, so thoroughly corrupted by money, that any participation by American citizens is a complete charade, essentially a waste of time and effort, unless you consider the entertainment value of the emotional roller coaster you'll be put through, which always ends in disappointment. I've been through the experience a number of times, including Ron Paul's last run for President. I finally get it. I have been participating in a gigantic con-game, always with the expectation to win, but since the game is rigged, the "mark" always loses. In reality, the game needs to be shut down, the con-artists need to be identified and arrested, and the public needs to be instructed on how to recognize con-games. This will not happen because the con-artists also create our money (another lucrative and highly successful con-game) and have solid control of our society and all critical positions of control and power, including the mind-numbing mass media.

I know that sounds negative, but all the evidence I've seen continues to support it as truth. I wish it wasn't so, and I will continue to look at all the old and new evidence in the hopes that I can prove that I've been mistaken.

Understand Chicadoodoo. I respect your opinion but still disagree. I openly admit that it's more than likely that the election will be rigged. But just look at how many people got woken up as a direct result of disrespect and censorship by the mainstream media when dealing with Ron Paul in 2008. My opinion is that their blatant disrespect has the potential to be 10x as effective at waking people up this time around because more people are paying attention. This in my view makes it worth it even if we lose.
-peace and respect,
AIJ

sunnyrap
27th April 2011, 15:18
I too, am skeptical of Ron Paul. Too much disturbing information about him--also, he seems to be able to operate 'freely' without being harassed like others that go against mainstream stances. Check out this compilation of info on him: http://www.thebereanchronicles.com/nwo/nwo_leaders_ron_paul_hand_signs_mason.html

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th April 2011, 16:18
I too, am skeptical of Ron Paul. Too much disturbing information about him--also, he seems to be able to operate 'freely' without being harassed like others that go against mainstream stances. Check out this compilation of info on him: http://www.thebereanchronicles.com/nwo/nwo_leaders_ron_paul_hand_signs_mason.html

I'm sorry, but it is absolutely ludicrous to say he does it without being harassed. Everytime he apears on a talk show he is harassed and not given a chance to speak. Brb I'll find some links.

Sarahmay
27th April 2011, 17:03
Ron Paul is a spoiler, but he does bring interesting discourse to the political landscape. I do like his integrity...he was wonderful on The Colbert Report the other night. More people need to be talking about the Federal Reserve on msm.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th April 2011, 17:10
Sunnyrap, WOW.
The articles in your link (http://www.thebereanchronicles.com/n...gns_mason.html) REEK with disinformation. I'm sure the PTB would love for everyone to think that Ron is an illuminati front man. One of the videos suggested he was. The racist thing has been debunked so many times that it's almost not even worth refuting again but here goes:
he supports 9 out of 10 articles in the civil rights act (which had to do with getting rid of intitutionalized racism (segregated government funded cafeterias etc.). The only part he had an issue with is the one that deals with private property. This has always been what freedom of speech was about. Defending popular speech is unnecessary. Defending unpopular speech is the real challenge. It is not about defending racist's rights. Even though we find what they say detestable (and of course anyone who knows me will tell you I do) we have to defend their first amendment rights or ours could be on the line next. Any true libertarian would agree with this position. If you support nine out of ten articles in a bill you support 90% of the bill. A couple of the articles in your link said he was racist. Most of the people who accuse him of this base it on his position on the civil right act. Ridiculous.
One of them said he was a freemason. My response? I don't think he is, but even if he is, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were all freemason and I would love to have any of them as presidents today. They did great things.
Totally misleading disinformation, in my opinion.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th April 2011, 17:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYFTfiU11KE

I'd call this harassment. Just an example.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th April 2011, 17:29
I too, am skeptical of Ron Paul. Too much disturbing information about him--also, he seems to be able to operate 'freely' without being harassed like others that go against mainstream stances. Check out this compilation of info on him: http://www.thebereanchronicles.com/nwo/nwo_leaders_ron_paul_hand_signs_mason.html

I'm sorry, but it is absolutely ludicrous to say he does it without being harassed. Everytime he apears on a talk show he is harassed and not given a chance to speak. Brb I'll find some links.

This is an even better example.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kioYYYvHMRs

DoubleHelix
13th May 2011, 08:00
Congressman Ron Paul Is set to finally announce his presidential campaign for 2012.

Source: http://dailypaul.com/

The Texas congressman will make his announcement from New Hampshire during the 7:00 a.m. hour of ABC’s “Good Morning America.” Paul is then scheduled to speak at 10:00 a.m. in Exeter, part of a two-day swing through New Hampshire following a stop in Iowa. Paul will also be keynoting the Grafton County Republican Memorial dinner on Friday night.

Paul has already taken several incremental steps toward a full-fledged campaign, most recently opening an Iowa campaign office north of Des Moines earlier this week. He also recently raked in more than $1 million during a one-day online "money bomb" ahead of the first GOP presidential debate, demonstrating the continued strength of the grassroots fundraising machine that turned heads during his 2008 campaign.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR61NOsWv5ZQbuZg3ugfVq-h_pLAek2sPcCgyL0c5lTKHScMKaK

Davidallany
13th May 2011, 08:04
Ron Paul To Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning
The flag behind him reminds me of the movie" Spiderman". Is he Obama's backup?

crosby
13th May 2011, 08:06
i am really excited about this. Ron Paul's standards are above board and his platform rests on what this nation was built upon. the constitution and integrity. this is going to be a new road traveled upon. i can't wait to see the results.
warmest, corson

jackovesk
13th May 2011, 18:34
GO RON PAUL...

http://ronpaulforum.com/images/ron-paul-header777.JPG

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/paulownsmccain.gifhttp://www.libertymaven.com/wp-content/uploads/paulownsmccain.gif

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/23226-1/taxes.gifhttp://biosocket.com/wp-content/uploads/paul-vs-giuliani.gif

Gustav
13th May 2011, 19:56
Good morning,

As expected Ron paul has announced he will run for Presidential Candidate for the Republican Party.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2011/05/rep-ron-paul.html#tp

I wish everyone well that is actually able to contribute and is living in the States.

Gustav

=== Post Update ===

To all of you who read this:

Would there be interest to cover the road to the primaries for Ron Paul on this forum? Please share your thoughts on this? I don't mind posting a lot of the information that comes out, since I like the topic a lot and will follow it anyway.

Gustav

fifi
13th May 2011, 22:33
I hope he will be selected, and appoint Jessa Ventura as his partner in the campaign. Thanks for sharing the news.

Lord Sidious
13th May 2011, 23:01
Jesse won't go with him as he opposes the political party machine.
Or so he has said.

DoubleHelix
14th May 2011, 04:31
Source: http://dailypaul.com/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zIsv5k_GNAE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9SxNNUQVrDY

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/ron-paul-and-the-love-rev_b_861399.html

It is often said that a convert to a cause is more fervent than those born to it. That is probably true about me and my "conversion" as an immigrant to this great country.

In that spirit of passionate desire for my adoptive land to become everything it was meant to be, may I humbly suggest, America, that Ron Paul is Your Man.

Just a few years ago, I was excited to follow Obama's success in the hope that he would undo the worst of the un-American shenanigans of the Bush administration, including the abrogation of rights of American citizens, the killing of citizens of lands that don't threaten us and the wholesale transfer of wealth from those that create it and play by the rules to those that do neither of those two things.

Ron Paul's world is quite different from that offered by almost any other American politician. In his world, neither the president nor the Congress gets to impose their preferences on 300 million citizens through the monopoly of force that is government, because Paul knows that the government has no such authority. Paul's world is a world based fundamentally on the principle of non-aggression, which is simply, "I may disagree with you but I do not get to use force, including the force of law, to impose my will on you as long as you harm no one." This principle is a philosophical one. It precedes politics -- and that is why it allows Paul to transcend the bankrupt left-right paradigm.

Teresa
14th May 2011, 10:20
Great stuff I hope he wins. What are his chances? (of winning..... and also surviving).

Lord Sidious
14th May 2011, 10:22
Great stuff I hope he wins. What are his chances? (of winning..... and also surviving).

If he sticks with the republicanuggets?
Don't know, I hope he loses in that case.
If he goes independant?
Don't know but I would hope he wins.

Teresa
14th May 2011, 11:20
Republican/Democrat, I was under the impression when all is said and done they're basically the same? I'll be watching with interest.

Lord Sidious
14th May 2011, 11:23
Republican/Democrat, I was under the impression when all is said and done they're basically the same? I'll be watching with interest.

The only real difference is method, the goal is the same as they both work for the same master.
The idea as I explain it is death by shooting, death by hanging, same outcome, differnt roads.

Teresa
14th May 2011, 11:25
Yes, as I thought. Anyway Go Ron Paul.

Gustav
14th May 2011, 11:48
I think they might be in contact, but as Paul in my opinion is steering in shallow waters he has to be careful to give any opportunity to any msm puppet to start harassing him. On the other side of the argument, he never cared for that, but you could argue more is at stake. I think these questions will come up only after a few succesful primaries for him. At least in public. "knowing" Paul a little bit it would not surprise me if he hasn't thought about the matter of a running mate already.

DoubleHelix
14th May 2011, 11:56
If he sticks with the republicanuggets?
Don't know, I hope he loses in that case.
If he goes independant?
Don't know but I would hope he wins.

Straight from the horses mouth during Ron Paul's campaign launch on the Good Morning America show with George Stephanopoulos " Running as an independent here is just about impossible unless your a billionaire like Ross Perot... you don't get on debates... if I was an independent George you would not have me on this program this morning" This was Ron's response to why he's not running as an Independent. Ron's also known to be at odds with much of the Republican party on many issues, he carried on to say " I've been a Republican for all these years... There's nothing wrong with nudging the Republicans to a true constitutional position and stick to there guns on fiscal conservatism " So there you have it.. it all sounds very promising but we know what happens to candidates once elected to president. I have faith in him... do you ? If so, show your support far and wide... This could be a revolution in the making.

Lord Sidious
14th May 2011, 12:01
If he sticks with the republicanuggets?
Don't know, I hope he loses in that case.
If he goes independant?
Don't know but I would hope he wins.

Straight from the horses mouth during Ron Paul's campaign launch on the Good Morning America show with George Stephanopoulos " Running as an independent here is just about impossible unless your a billionaire like Ross Perot... you don't get on debates... if I was an independent George you would not have me on this program this morning" This was Ron's response to why he's not running as an Independent. Ron's also known to be at odds with much of the Republican party on many issues, he carried on to say " I've been a Republican for all these years... There's nothing wrong with nudging the Republicans to a true constitutional position and stick to there guns on fiscal conservatism " So there you have it.. it all sounds very promising but we know what happens to candidates once elected to president. I have faith in him... do you ? If so, show your support far and wide... This could be a revolution in the making.

Would you try to dilute 100 tons of effluent with one drop of pure water?

Gaia
14th May 2011, 12:26
All Ron Paul needs is a miracle...

jackovesk
14th May 2011, 14:56
Great stuff I hope he wins. What are his chances? (of winning..... and also surviving).

If he sticks with the republicanuggets?
Don't know, I hope he loses in that case.
If he goes independant?
Don't know but I would hope he wins.

Ron Paul has already Won Sid!

Calz
14th May 2011, 15:06
Great stuff I hope he wins. What are his chances? (of winning..... and also surviving).

If he gets Jesse for his running mate I expect his changes go ***UP*** and the chances of someone taking him out go ***DOWN***.

Jesse Ventura was a navy seal (prior to what he is doing to bring out the truth) ... I am not an insider but would certainly expect he has a lot of support from the "white hats".

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Great stuff I hope he wins. What are his chances? (of winning..... and also surviving).

If he sticks with the republicanuggets?
Don't know, I hope he loses in that case.
If he goes independant?
Don't know but I would hope he wins.

Yep ... there is the "line in the sand".

Jesse says he has to go independant to bring him on board.

Calz
14th May 2011, 15:09
All Ron Paul needs is a miracle...

Never give up on "miracles".

We didn't all die from the bird/swine/human flu and we don't have a damn rfid chip in us yet (although allegedly the nano variety could be dumped or injected at any time).

DoubleHelix
14th May 2011, 15:54
Would you try to dilute 100 tons of effluent with one drop of pure water?

Your saying he's got his work cut out for him?

Most definitely! We all know the pit falls ahead of him.. a biased control of media and a totally rigged election system! I think most can agree that his chances are slim but without belief where do we stand.. When's the last time we seen a candidate of this calibre? Not since JFK have we seen a man who truly represents the people.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here Rob but this maybe our time. And I say 'our' because we may be Australian but if it's not clearly apparent to anybody viewing what happens in America directly affects the rest of the globe. 3rd time's a charm and this is Ron paul's time baby !

nearing
14th May 2011, 16:20
He seems like the kind of man that can stick to his Independent roots AND still run as a Repub. Too bad Jesse has drawn that line.

Eh, I fully expect major Earth changes to put a damper on the 2012 elections. Heck, they may not even happen.

If they do? Go RP!

Lord Sidious
14th May 2011, 16:47
Great stuff I hope he wins. What are his chances? (of winning..... and also surviving).

If he sticks with the republicanuggets?
Don't know, I hope he loses in that case.
If he goes independant?
Don't know but I would hope he wins.

Ron Paul has already Won Sid!

I predict he will not get through the process of selection with the republicans.
And, if he doesn't abandon the dirtbags party, I hope he loses.
If he wins with them and becomes president, it will only give people a false sense of safety.

eris23
14th May 2011, 16:53
Ron Paul To Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning
The flag behind him reminds me of the movie" Spiderman". Is he Obama's backup?

The flag behind Obama was also the symbol of the rising sun. See Jordan Maxwell's work on this. This flag is simply the American flag.

jackovesk
14th May 2011, 17:28
Great stuff I hope he wins. What are his chances? (of winning..... and also surviving).

If he sticks with the republicanuggets?
Don't know, I hope he loses in that case.
If he goes independant?
Don't know but I would hope he wins.

Ron Paul has already Won Sid!

I predict he will not get through the process of selection with the republicans.
And, if he doesn't abandon the dirtbags party, I hope he loses.
If he wins with them and becomes president, it will only give people a false sense of safety.

There is more than one way to skin a cat Sid..!
Unlike YOU Sid, I am not an expert on Everthing!

Lord Sidious
14th May 2011, 17:38
Great stuff I hope he wins. What are his chances? (of winning..... and also surviving).

If he sticks with the republicanuggets?
Don't know, I hope he loses in that case.
If he goes independant?
Don't know but I would hope he wins.

Ron Paul has already Won Sid!

I predict he will not get through the process of selection with the republicans.
And, if he doesn't abandon the dirtbags party, I hope he loses.
If he wins with them and becomes president, it will only give people a false sense of safety.

There is more than one way to skin a cat Sid..!
Unlike YOU Sid, I am not an expert on Everthing!

Politics is a very twisty road and no one is an expert on it.
Hard to predict, the future is.

jackovesk
14th May 2011, 18:29
Great stuff I hope he wins. What are his chances? (of winning..... and also surviving).

If he sticks with the republicanuggets?
Don't know, I hope he loses in that case.
If he goes independant?
Don't know but I would hope he wins.

Ron Paul has already Won Sid!

I predict he will not get through the process of selection with the republicans.
And, if he doesn't abandon the dirtbags party, I hope he loses.
If he wins with them and becomes president, it will only give people a false sense of safety.

There is more than one way to skin a cat Sid..!
Unlike YOU Sid, I am not an expert on Everthing!

Politics is a very twisty road and no one is an expert on it.
Hard to predict, the future is.

http://th412.photobucket.com/albums/pp206/benflds5/th_RonPaul2012.jpg

25 reasons Why Ron Paul can win in 2012

Here is a summary of what Ron Paul has going for him to win the GOP nomination in 2012:

1) Rand Paul is polling at 44% and is up by 21% in his primary for US Senate in Kentucky. Rand has outfundraised the anointed GOP choice (Trey Grayson) by a 3 to 2 ratio over the past 6 months; $1.8 million to $ 1.2 million. Rand out-polls the likely democrat in the general election by about 15%.

If Rand can win, Ron Paul can win.

2) CPAC Straw Poll; Ron Paul won with 31%, Romney was second with 22%, Palin third at 7%, then Pawlenty at 6%, Mike Pence (congressman from Indiana) 5%, Huckabee 4%. Last year in 2009, Paul had finished tied for third with Palin, while Romney won it ( I can't remember who got 2nd).

When Ron Paul wins nationally promoted straw polls, it creates the perception he can win.

3) Ron Paul just won his House seat primary by a whopping 70%. He won 81% to 11%. Ron Paul will grab more headlines when he wins the general election in November.

This creates the perception Ron can win. The greatest enemy to Ron is the mass media created perception that he can't win.

4) Ron Paul has often been described as irrelevant because he has never sponsored major legislation into law, nor has he ever even gained national media for his legislation. That has now changed. Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill has passed the House with 317 sponsors, and is in the Senate with over 30 sponsors. This legislation is not going away. It will keep Ron Paul in the news during all of this year and 2011 for his legislative work. Rand Paul in the Senate also makes a big difference here.

5) The Tea Party movement backs Ron Paul. The only other leading GOP contender who has any tea party appeal is Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney is a phony and is not fooling anyone.

6) Every four years, we get an age shift in voters. New young voters tend to back Ron Paul, while old voters who have died since 2008 do not support Ron Paul. A four year shift is about 7% of the electorate.

7) Newspapers are against Ron Paul; they are going out of business or their circulation is declining. The Internet supports Ron Paul and it is on the rise.

8) Paul's leading contenders are Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee (if he runs).

All these candidates have weaknesses.

Huckabee has a cushy TV job, and doesn't seem ambitious enough to run.

Palin is widely viewed as unqualified to be president and has less money than Ron Paul.

Romney is a strong candidate, but he is a Mormon which hurts him among Christian conservatives. He was also a pro-abortion liberal governor of Massachusetts who now says he is a pro-life conservative. In other words, he's a phony. He does not anywhere near the organization of Ron Paul.

Pawlenty is the NWO choice for president. But he has low name recognition and is boring. He's also a liberal republican Governor from Minnesota with little appeal for conservatives. He is counting on the NWO media to help him.

9) The Economy; the weak economy plays into Ron Paul's hands to some extent.

10) End the Fed - Ron Paul's book gives him another outlet for his message. Unlike Mitt Romney's book, which is stone cold boring, people actually read Ron Paul's books.

11) Ron Paul is good for TV ratings and is getting a lot of national TV interviews on cable news like Fox, CNN, MSNBC and CNBC. Rand Paul is also getting a lot of national TV interviews.

12) Voters are getting used to Ron Paul's "odd" ideas.

13) Ron Paul is 74, but has the health and energy of a 60 year old; he's not too old to run for president and serve one term in office.

14) Fund-raising - In the 4th quarter of 2007, Ron Paul was the # 1 GOP fundraiser. This was when he was below 10% in the polls. He will raise a lot more if he is at 15%-30% in the polls. Ron Paul could end up with more money to spend than Mitt Romney.

15) The NWO sets the pecking order when they start to do polls in early 2011. In 2007, Ron Paul was at 1% in these polls. Ron Paul will be at a minimum of 15% in the early 2011 polls, putting him among the viable contenders from the beginning.

16) The Wars in the Middle East - People are getting sick of these wars, and Ron Paul opposes them. Democrats who found out Obama was a phony might support Ron Paul.

17) 2012 is the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812, and will gain national attention. Interesting that the president during the War of 1812 was none other than James Madison, the Father of the U.S. Constitution.

James Madison is the ONLY president to follow the Constitution during a major war. Despite an invasion from the British Empire that included the burning of Buffalo and Washington, a siege upon Baltimore, and attack on New Orleans, the capture of Detroit, an Atlantic ocean naval blockade, and a secession movement in Hartford, Connecticut, James Madison never claimed special war powers, arrested dissidents, issued war propaganda, had a draft, or suspended habeas corpus, despite going up against the worlds greatest power with no income tax, no central bank, and not much of an army of navy. And we won it, gaining free trade for all American on the Great Lakes, Atlantic ocean, Mississippi river, West Indies, and Mediterranean Sea.

Word of what James Madison did in the War of 1812 might leak out to the people in 2011 and 2012.

18) A lot of people are getting sick of the war on drugs. Neither Bush or Obama will even consider legalizing medical marijuana, an issue which polls at 80% in favor of.

19) Ron Paul is the only candidate who can talk intelligently about the U.S. Constitution.

20) People are sick of the health care bill, and Ron Paul has credibility in opposing it. Ron Paul is also a medical doctor.

21) The Campaign For Liberty, Ron Paul's PAC, is raising lots of cash and forging many ties with key GOP leaders at the state level.

22) Rand Paul got the endorsements of the Ronald Reagan PAC, Sarah Palin, Steve Forbes, and the Gun Owners of America. Expect to see Ron Paul get some major endorsements, if Rand Paul can.

23) Ron Paul voted against all the bank bailouts.

24) Ron Paul has an army of volunteers that will hit every straw poll, from CPAC to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, to the county GOP straw poll at the annual meeting of John Doe County in all 50 States. He is going to win almost all of them.

25) Ron Paul has enough support to win the Ames Iowa Straw Poll in the summer of 2011. He got 1300 votes in 2007, and needs only about 5000 to win.

PS - After all this if the PTB/MSM somehow force him out as the Nominated Republican Candidate position, Ron Paul will run as an Independant and more than likely have Former Governor Jesse Ventura as his running mate.

GEEZ I'd love to see Ron Paul WIN and make the PTB Elite's WORST NIGHTMARE come True!

JoeNashville
14th May 2011, 19:01
The Republicans have an incredibly weak field of candidates this time around. Ron Paul is easily the best, but he got killed in that debate the other night against the worst group of candidates I've ever seen. They all seem to be stepping over each other to kiss the feet of tptb. The black guy was good(I can't remember his name) but I've never heard of him. Ron Paul seems too old now and doesn't appear to have the energy to make the case for truth against the propaganda. I hope I'm wrong.

I voted for Paul in the last primary, but he'll never get the nomination now because it's completely controlled by those who control the money. Even if he did, he wouldn't survive with his first objective to end the Fed. Look at the environment. He'll be running for votes from people who think Obama is a hero, because got bin Laden. Don't know where to start on that one.

Obama sadly will be re-elected, me thinks. I just wonder where they will keep coming up with dead people to defrost to make Obama look like a hero. Maybe Oswald?

Kerrigan
14th May 2011, 19:03
20) People are sick of the health care bill, and Ron Paul has credibility in opposing it. Ron Paul is also a medical doctor.

What are his views on vaccination?

sunnyrap
14th May 2011, 19:27
I made this comment on another thread, so I'll repeat it here:
... some years ago when Ron Paul was first getting a lot of attention, there was a lot of videos and pics circulating that implicated him as being a kind of elite trojan horse. The pics of him flashing the hand signal the elites all use, i.e., the one we in Texas call the 'hookem horns' signal.

Granted, it could be disinformation, but it does bear looking into. Here's a post from GLP (not that THAT makes it trustworthy, but...)


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message487513/pg1
Clip: RON PAUL IS AN ILLUMINATI MASTER MASON AND A DECEIVER, THEY ARE TRICKING THE PEOPLE!
Remember the old saying "if it's too good to be true it usually is"
The GridKeeper posted a video showing R.P, giving master Mason handshakes and the horned Devil sign.

So he's running as a Republican because 'running as an Independent would surely mean a loss'. Plausible, except that party has to get behind him as a candidate--and they've all been bought, it appears. I guess you could argue that he flashes the horned devil hand signal to trick the ptb that he's one of them as well. However, operating in a rigged system if he's not genuinely one of them pretty much insures he will lose anyway, doesn't it?

Bottom line is I'm highly skeptical of anyone, no matter how fantastic a representative of the people they might be, of having a snowball's chance in the Sahara of getting the office, without first routing out the manipulators of the system.

giovonni
15th May 2011, 17:33
from Ron Paul: IMF Implicated After Chief Arrested on Attempted Rape Charge

http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./396/223/Strauss_Kahn.jpg

story here;
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/15/paul-imf-implicated-chief-arrested-sodomy-charge/

T Smith
15th May 2011, 23:01
Don't give up! If Ron Paul flips and changes his values once he gets in office (hypothetical) it will wake even MORE people up! Think logically you guys. it's a win / win. period.

If Ron Paul flips and changes his values once he gets in office, we will be looking at a most unfathomable puzzle right in the eye.

humanalien
16th May 2011, 07:20
I think ron paul is already showing his evil side.

Ron Paul was against the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26sprb4Vi44&feature=player_embedded


1964 Civil Rights Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

DoubleHelix
16th May 2011, 07:37
I think ron paul is already showing his evil side.


Could be.. but I would suggest watching the whole interview to get a better perspective!

This presenter (better yet the team behind behind him) had obviously spent time researching in order to dig up dirt on Ron Paul and place him in a bad light, not only we're the facts misconstrued but they have no bearing on what this man stands for in this current day.

Why would a popular TV presenter attempt to discredit a candidate with such a large nation-wide following? because maybe he's seen as a real threat to the current administration and TPTB...

DoubleHelix
16th May 2011, 08:26
This is Mr. Paul's best interview to date since joining the race for President. It encapsulates Ron's straight edge approach in the face of disbelief, thus allowing for his true integrity to shine through.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94VFW_KHqYU&feature=player_embedded

Humble Janitor
16th May 2011, 08:29
Based on his opinions regarding the 1964 Civil Rights Act, I'm not going to vote for him.

Something doesn't sit well with me, especially the idea of this law infringing upon the rights of business owners to discriminate based upon race and ethnicity. This is the argument that I encountered on a similar site.

Now, I honestly believe that Ron Paul has/had a doppelganger who authored a so-called newsletter back in the early 90s that spoke lowly of Blacks and other minorities. I can't really see him as a racist. I just don't like his thoughts on the CRA.

Then again, Libertarianism isn't perfect by a long shot.

crosby
16th May 2011, 08:36
i want to say this: after reading ktlight's new thread this morning, i am more than ever going to stand behind Ron Paul. this country has gone totally to the $hithou$e, and something has to change. i will start with my neighborhood, then will graciously push it out further. i want the word to get out regarding his platform and the changes that he wants to make. i'm going to get very vocal here. sick and tired of this country taking advantage of and acting the way that it does. i don't know what else i can do. obviously contacting my local representatives doesn't do a darn bit of good. GET LOUD PEOPLE OF AMERICA. DEMAND CHANGE.............
regards, corson

Gustav
16th May 2011, 09:00
Indeed quite a strong performance. Good rebuttle, good stance. Still a pitty he has to intervene/beg to explain a stance, but that apparently is part of 'the american way' of having a television discussion ;)

Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 12:52
Based on his opinions regarding the 1964 Civil Rights Act, I'm not going to vote for him.

Something doesn't sit well with me, especially the idea of this law infringing upon the rights of business owners to discriminate based upon race and ethnicity. This is the argument that I encountered on a similar site.

Now, I honestly believe that Ron Paul has/had a doppelganger who authored a so-called newsletter back in the early 90s that spoke lowly of Blacks and other minorities. I can't really see him as a racist. I just don't like his thoughts on the CRA.

Then again, Libertarianism isn't perfect by a long shot.

There may be more to the so called civil rights act than most think, no?

risveglio
16th May 2011, 13:39
You really need to stop the silliness of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Discrimination is a basic human right and in today's day if a business was to discriminate based on race, that business would do very poorly. Please watch this video by Walter Williams and understand what it truly meant to be free. Freedom is not safety and it can't be selective. If you are going to have a free country, then people are going to do things with there freedom that you do not like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqod16fhMPE

jackovesk
16th May 2011, 13:47
Based on his opinions regarding the 1964 Civil Rights Act, I'm not going to vote for him.

Something doesn't sit well with me, especially the idea of this law infringing upon the rights of business owners to discriminate based upon race and ethnicity. This is the argument that I encountered on a similar site.

Now, I honestly believe that Ron Paul has/had a doppelganger who authored a so-called newsletter back in the early 90s that spoke lowly of Blacks and other minorities. I can't really see him as a racist. I just don't like his thoughts on the CRA.

Then again, Libertarianism isn't perfect by a long shot.

There may be more to the so called civil rights act than most think, no?

Good Luck on getting a rational answer back Sid...

If Mr Humble Janitor is not going to vote for Ron Paul as he has stated above...

I'd like to know what other candidates/potential candidates are worthy of his consideration in the upcoming 2012 US Presidential Election?

Ron Paul: I Would Not Have Voted For The 1964 Civil Rights Act


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26sprb4Vi44&feature=player_embedded

PS - FU Chris Matthews and stop trying to put words into others mouths and contort/twist the Truth of what Congressman Paul means, you MSM NWO Globalist Scumbag!

It might have worked back in 2008, but it won't work this time round..!

Coaxial
16th May 2011, 13:52
Although it is highly unlikely he will ever break ranks and run as a independent, that is the only way Jesse Ventura will join him as a running mate.
Personally, I love the idea of Ventura busting in on congress and drilling them so hard on the facts that the sound of them audibly crapping themselves would be mistaken for a seismic event.

Can you say term limits?:faint:

Gustav
16th May 2011, 14:40
So.. the CRA and the heroïn use are the ones to smear Ron Paul this season?

=== Added ===

BTW, the full clip is also interesting, especially, in my opinion, because of the calm persistent way Paul keeps trying to get his point out the viewers of this clown.

KBbV7mURP0I

T Smith
16th May 2011, 14:48
Based on his opinions regarding the 1964 Civil Rights Act, I'm not going to vote for him.

Something doesn't sit well with me, especially the idea of this law infringing upon the rights of business owners to discriminate based upon race and ethnicity. This is the argument that I encountered on a similar site.

Now, I honestly believe that Ron Paul has/had a doppelganger who authored a so-called newsletter back in the early 90s that spoke lowly of Blacks and other minorities. I can't really see him as a racist. I just don't like his thoughts on the CRA.

Then again, Libertarianism isn't perfect by a long shot.

I can promise you, most assuredly Humble Janitor, if a diner had a sign that read "no Blacks", they wouldn't be serving as much as cup of coffee to this patron. In fact, such an establishment wouldn't be in business very long where I live.

However, I acknowledge this is a very complicated issue. The question is, if the government legalizes freedom of expression and property rights, will this fuel underlying or even latent racist sentiments in our society? I don't know. But deep down I don't think the correct solution is for the government to resolve these issues for us by restricting property rights and free expression. It's not up to the government to regulate racism -- we need to find a way to resolve these issues voluntarily, at the grassroots.

Limor Wolf
16th May 2011, 15:19
20) People are sick of the health care bill, and Ron Paul has credibility in opposing it. Ron Paul is also a medical doctor.

What are his views on vaccination?

Thanks for the question Kerrigan.

Another spot-on answer from Ron Paul:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f74xvtRijMc

humanalien
16th May 2011, 17:55
I don't want to keep harping on ron paul but if he was against
blacks and women having rights way back then, would it be
fare to assume that his feeling hasn't changed since then?

All i'm saying is be careful who you vote for. You may just
get him and he will turn out to be another obama.

I wish jesse ventura were running for president. He would
clean out all of that corruption. He is a man that stands
for the american people and he will not take crap from
anyone...

nearing
16th May 2011, 18:18
20) People are sick of the health care bill, and Ron Paul has credibility in opposing it. Ron Paul is also a medical doctor.

What are his views on vaccination?

Thanks for the question Kerrigan.

Another spot-on answer from Ron Paul:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f74xvtRijMc

That answer is enough for me to want to vote for him right there!

Hummingbird
17th May 2011, 17:52
Thank you for your strong commitment to this Jackovesk, Ron Paul can and must win. I have never voted but will be registering to vote for Ron and I know alot of poeple who are doing the same..

The public has been conditioned by having professional trained liars propped up in front of us, good speakers. Obama being the best at it in a while, with his emotionally charged speeches with so much charisma and class all while saying nothing, doublespeaking etc.

Ron Paul has not had the behind the scenes training Barack has so there for not as fluent of a speaker or as in control of his emotion's while speaking. Even though what he is saying is exactly the truth and he is bringing fourth real solutions, the media and debate member's will surely try to bring this out in him as a form of discredit.

Wonder if the PTB seen Ron's support and the poll numbers and had to churn up something to help beat him, So they turn on the burners and cook up some Osama death story and know Obama is the hero.. Still won't work!

meeradas
17th May 2011, 18:38
Hard to predict, the future is.

Once you start sounding like Yoda, ev'rything is possible.

giovonni
18th May 2011, 18:37
Ron Paul Introduces Unpasteurized Milk Bill http://healthfreedoms.org/files/2011/05/110511RP-300x168.jpg

announcing his official campaign run for President, Congressman Ron Paul made a statement introducing legislation to allow interstate raw milk sales. He believes that people should have a right to consume something they believe to be healthy and if there is a major concern for safety it should be taken up via state and local laws. He references the recent FDA sting operation prosecuting Rainbow Acres Farm in Pennsylvania for meeting the club members’ demand for unpasteurized milk.

He also introduced legislation to require that the federal government respect state laws allowing industrial hemp to be cultivated in America. Currently industrial hemp is imported. Although industrial hemp is in the technical definition of marijuana, it contains only minute amounts of psychoactive chemicals.

The introduction of these bills have come at a perfect time to garner more awareness and support freedom to consume unpasteurized milk or create products using hemp resources. Paul hopes his colleagues will join him in cosponsoring the bill and promoting individual rights. Read his statement below.

~ Health Freedoms

more here;
http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/05/14/ron-paul-introduces-unpasteurized-milk-bill/

Lord Sidious
18th May 2011, 18:43
I don't want to keep harping on ron paul but if he was against
blacks and women having rights way back then, would it be
fare to assume that his feeling hasn't changed since then?

All i'm saying is be careful who you vote for. You may just
get him and he will turn out to be another obama.

I wish jesse ventura were running for president. He would
clean out all of that corruption. He is a man that stands
for the american people and he will not take crap from
anyone...

Just imagine this guy dealing with nuggets in government!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y5fl__ZIzE

Calz
18th May 2011, 18:57
I don't want to keep harping on ron paul but if he was against
blacks and women having rights way back then, would it be
fare to assume that his feeling hasn't changed since then?

All i'm saying is be careful who you vote for. You may just
get him and he will turn out to be another obama.

I wish jesse ventura were running for president. He would
clean out all of that corruption. He is a man that stands
for the american people and he will not take crap from
anyone...

Just imagine this guy dealing with nuggets in government!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y5fl__ZIzE

Gets a very well deserved Art Bell ... ***DING DING DING***

Jesse drew the line in the sand however and RP needs to go independent.

Let us work towards those ends :thumb:

Humble Janitor
19th May 2011, 05:21
I don't trust him, I'm sorry.
And its because I agree with him 100%.
I'm not willing to be tricked again
and we have no need for presidents or the government.

I agree it is hard to trust politicians.
However, if you judge a man by his deeds, and not his rhetoric, it's hard not to trust Ron Paul. This man's the real deal.

How many people said that Obama was the real deal?

How many were duped?

I don't buy Ron Paul as a messiah. I have more questions about him that have yet to be answered.

Referee
19th May 2011, 05:26
He is the only one I can support. We need him.

DoubleHelix
19th May 2011, 10:40
I don't buy Ron Paul as a messiah. I have more questions about him that have yet to be answered.

Lay 'em on us pal! Myself and others would love to hear some of your concerns. A bit of clarity goes a long way!

T Smith
20th May 2011, 21:43
I don't trust him, I'm sorry.
And its because I agree with him 100%.
I'm not willing to be tricked again
and we have no need for presidents or the government.

I agree it is hard to trust politicians.
However, if you judge a man by his deeds, and not his rhetoric, it's hard not to trust Ron Paul. This man's the real deal.

How many people said that Obama was the real deal?

How many were duped?

I don't buy Ron Paul as a messiah. I have more questions about him that have yet to be answered.

You are correct Humble Janitor. Many people were duped by Obama and bought into the Madison Avenue package hook, line, sinker. I was not one of them. The Obama package was especially evident to me, given his shawdowy history and the shadowy money sponsoring his rise to power. None of this applies to Ron Paul. He is counter-establishment, and has been for decades.

However, you are also correct: Ron Paul is not a messiah. But he does have the most unadulterated message, and he does represent the people. If we are to be a government of, by, and for the people, there is no better candidate. In my judgement, he is the best person we have, as an executive of the people, to fight the established order that is slowly but surely ensnaring us serfs in an oppressive Orwellian enslavement grid. Whatever questions you have about him, I can assure you Ron Paul does not represent the establishment.

Can I be wrong? Of course. Could Ron Paul's entire career be an elaborate psyops to dupe us? I suppose so. But in my discerning judgement, which I do not come to rashly, I highly doubt it. There is a better chance the world is coming to end tomorrow than Ron Paul being a cog in the machine.

Best Regards

daledo
21st May 2011, 21:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NY6UTnS6Z-A



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHS_y94H1Dk

Nasu
21st May 2011, 21:31
go ron.. N

daledo
21st May 2011, 21:41
The Authentic Cruelty of a Synthetic Man... article about Mitt Romney.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=35376

daledo
23rd May 2011, 16:22
the following quotes are taken from http://granitestaters.com/candidates/

Democrats
“Yes! . . . But you know . . . [w]e have not devoted nearly enough science or time to deal with the pain management and chronic pain management that exists. There’s got to be a better answer than marijuana.” — U.S. Sen. Joe Biden (Del.), May 12, Canterbury, N.H.


“Yes, I will [end the federal raids].” — U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.), July 13, Manchester, N.H.


“I want to leave states to decide what the right thing is to do on this.” — U.S. Sen. Chris Dodd (Conn.), May 12, Merrimack, N.H.

“What I will do as president is, we will not be going in and raiding the use of marijuana for medical purposes in states that have legalized it.”
— Former U.S. Sen. John Edwards (N.C.), June 8, Derry, N.H.

“I would legalize marijuana.”
— Former U.S. Sen. Mike Gravel (Alaska), May 1, C-SPAN

“Compassion requires that doctors be able to prescribe whatever they need to make sure that patients get relief from pain.”
— U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), August 15, Manchester, N.H.


“I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It’s not a good use of our resources.”
— U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), August 21, Nashua, N.H.

“We must protect the seriously ill; we certainly must protect these people. . . . Yes, [I will end the federal raids], with the proper safeguards and protections.”
— New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, May 7, Hooksett, N.H.

Republicans

“I think that should continue to be the case. I do not think that we should legalize marijuana … I don’t agree with that, and I don’t think we need to for pain or for pain medication.” — U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback (Kan.), June 5, Manchester, N.H.


“The FDA says marijuana has no additive medical benefit of any kind, that the illegal trafficking of marijuana is so great that it makes much more sense to keep it illegal. I will keep it illegal.” — Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, August 17, Merrimack, N.H.

“I think I’d leave that to the DEA. Let me just be very blunt. I don’t support the idea. I think there are better ways to treat medical illnesses than the use of a drug that has really caused so many more people to have their lives injured than it has to necessarily have their lives helped.” — Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, June 4, Francestown, N.H.


“If you have a federal law, you have to enforce the law. And that’s my answer.” — U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter (Calif.), June 5, Manchester, N.H.
Sen. John McCain

“I believe that marijuana is a gateway drug. That is my view and that’s the view of the federal drug czar and other experts . . . I do not support the use of marijuana for medical purposes. I believe there are other ways of relieving that pain and suffering.” — U.S. Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), August 11, Milton, N.H.
Rep. Ron Paul

“I would like people who are dying with cancer and AIDS to have access to whatever they want and make their own choices, especially under a state law.” — U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (Texas), August 19, Londonderry, N.H.
“I don’t want medicinal marijuana; there are synthetic forms of marijuana that are available for people who need it for prescription. Don’t open the doorway to medicinal marijuana.“ — Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, July 25, Bedford, N.H.


“It’s not about marijuana, it’s about states’ rights. The federal government has no right to interfere when a state makes that kind of decision . . . The federal government should stay the hell out of it.” — U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo (Colo.), August 19, Londonderry, N.H.

"You know, there are federal laws involved and there's federalism issues also involved. It depends on a lot of different circumstances, and I just can't give you a definitive answer to that right now." — Former U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson (Tenn.), September 8, Stratham, N.H.



It is funny seeing the candidates dance around on this issue... go Ron Paul- best answer of all of them. Patients should be able to make the choice to take something that is natural and has been used for a long time to help medical conditions instead of synthetic substances created by the drug companies to gain huge profits. When we take the profit out of medicine there will be cures for all diseases in the world. The knowledge of natural cures is spreading and we will soon be free from the control of TPTB. They fight this issue so hard because they know that if everyone was high they would stop fighting and lay down their weapons. Hippies are sooo violent haha

DoubleHelix
26th May 2011, 06:36
RON PAUL - 'THE LAST NAIL' FLOOR SPEECH


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-olNr4UuVqY&feature=player_embedded

Also if your interested, Ron's son Rand Paul gave his Floor Speech 2 days prior.. He's a chip of the ol' block!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1tIBSV0fnY&feature=player_embedded

DoubleHelix
26th May 2011, 08:08
removed - wrong thread.

DoubleHelix
26th May 2011, 08:11
How many people said that Obama was the real deal?

How many were duped?

I don't buy Ron Paul as a messiah. I have more questions about him that have yet to be answered.

You are correct Humble Janitor. Many people were duped by Obama and bought into the Madison Avenue package hook, line, sinker. I was not one of them. The Obama package was especially evident to me, given his shawdowy history and the shadowy money sponsoring his rise to power. None of this applies to Ron Paul. He is counter-establishment, and has been for decades.

However, you are also correct: Ron Paul is not a messiah. But he does have the most unadulterated message, and he does represent the people. If we are to be a government of, by, and for the people, there is no better candidate. In my judgement, he is the best person we have, as an executive of the people, to fight the established order that is slowly but surely ensnaring us serfs in an oppressive Orwellian enslavement grid. Whatever questions you have about him, I can assure you Ron Paul does not represent the establishment.

Can I be wrong? Of course. Could Ron Paul's entire career be an elaborate psyops to dupe us? I suppose so. But in my discerning judgement, which I do not come to rashly, I highly doubt it. There is a better chance the world is coming to end tomorrow than Ron Paul being a cog in the machine.

Best Regards

*Quotes taken from similar thread*

Well said T Smith.. I couldn't agree more.

I think this is Ron Paul's best chance of making it to the white house! His following of supporters has grown exponentially since his previous two candidacy runs and I can't see it slowing down. More and more people are starting to resonate with his message and stand up to the bull$hit of the current Status Quo. The big difference that sets Ron apart this time round is the fact he's getting covered by the major news networks.. namely Fox News.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1osjFNPAc4Y&feature=player_embedded

ponda
26th May 2011, 13:08
Thankyou so much DoubleHelix for posting these videos.

I never even knew that Rand Paul existed prior to these vids.

Your'e spot on.He's a chip of his old mans block al'right

cheers

sygh
26th May 2011, 14:31
Ron Paul for Pres, most definitely.

:boxing:

DoubleHelix
27th May 2011, 03:25
Get a load of this presenter! It appears FOX News are trying to influence public opinion now they've realised who they've got on there hands. Oh and you gotta love Sarah Palin's stats.. who in there right mind would vote for that woman ???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wz0vvmMftWA

jackovesk
27th May 2011, 17:16
Obama’s Promise to Veto ‘Worldwide War’ Bill Rings Hollow...

Friday, May 27, 2011

Given the fact that the Obama administration is now involved in more conflicts and has more troops deployed than at any time during the Bush administration, how confident should we be that a government promise to veto the alarming worldwide war provision contained in the National Defense Authorization Act will be kept?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-olNr4UuVqY&feature=player_embedded

Yesterday the House passed the act, “including a provision to authorize worldwide war, which has no expiration date and will allow this president — and any future president — to go to war anywhere in the world, at any time, without further congressional authorization. The new authorization wouldn’t even require the president to show any threat to the national security of the United States. The American military could become the world’s cop, and could be sent into harm’s way almost anywhere and everywhere around the globe.”

Earlier this week, the White House indicated that it would veto the worldwide war provision, not because it is a flagrant violation of the War Powers Resolution and the basic tenet of not investing dictator powers in a president, but because it could cause “confusion”.

“The Administration strongly objects to section 1034 [the worldwide war provision] which, in purporting to affirm the conflict, would effectively recharacterize its scope and would risk creating confusion regarding applicable standards. At a minimum, this is an issue that merits more extensive consideration before possible inclusion…” the White House wrote to Congress.

The administration’s problem with the provision has nothing to do with the fact that it would make Obama above the law and completely unconstrained by Congress, their only concern is that it would hinder alleged terrorists from being tried in federal courts.

“Section 1039 is a dangerous and unprecedented challenge to critical Executive branch authority to determine when and where to prosecute detainees,” wrote the White House, indicating that a compromise could be made that would ensure the bill’s passage.

According to the ACLU, “President Obama and his administration have to be commended for taking such a tough stance on issues of fundamental importance to the rule of law and our democracy.”

Well, there’s a first time for everything, but the ACLU has completely dropped the ball on this one. The Obama administration is opposed to the worldwide war provision not because it is an egregious expansion of the executive branch, but because it doesn’t give them enough power

More here...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-promise-to-veto-worldwide-war-bill-rings-hollow.html

Lord Sidious
27th May 2011, 17:40
I would think that the ''republic'' was dead no later than Dec 23 1913, the rest is just the changing from ''republic'' to communist state.

Maia Gabrial
27th May 2011, 18:31
Why is Ron Paul the ONLY voice of reason in all of Congress? What's happening with the rest of the political leeches? I thought the Republicans were supposed to bring everything back under control..? If this doesn't open up eyes to the fact that BOTH parties are criminal....then nothing will.
Can you say PROSECUTION?
Maia

Fred Steeves
27th May 2011, 19:41
Thank you much Jackovesk, listening to what Ron Paul has to say is always a treat in the midst of the cesspool he endures around him. His idea of changing the system through the system will fail, but he just may be doing something far greater than he will ever realize in the meantime.

The founders were not given to youthful optimism, and they knew their grand experiment would fail, although they thought it would come much sooner than it did. It is of no coincidence that the preamble of the constitution began with, and emphasized WE THE PEOPLE. They understood that the ONLY thing standing in the way of the eventual subterfuge of freedom was the people themselves.

Well, that chapter's done folks, the republic is gone, just like they figured. It's a termite ridden house that's collapsing on itself, and we allowed it. Let's get that straight. The idea however has not died, and neither have WE THE PEOPLE who still hold this idea, not just in our hearts and minds, but in our very DNA.

Like Victor Hugo said: "No army can stop an idea whose time has come".

It is a great honor to be here in these times.


Cheers,
Fred

jackovesk
27th May 2011, 19:48
Thank you much Jackovesk, listening to what Ron Paul has to say is always a treat in the midst of the cesspool he endures around him. His idea of changing the system through the system will fail, but he just may be doing something far greater than he will ever realize in the meantime.

The founders were not given to youthful optimism, and they knew their grand experiment would fail, although they thought it would come much sooner than it did. It is of no coincidence that the preamble of the constitution began with, and emphasized WE THE PEOPLE. They understood that the ONLY thing standing in the way of the eventual subterfuge of freedom was the people themselves.

Well, that chapter's done folks, the republic is gone, just like they figured. It's a termite ridden house that's collapsing on itself, and we allowed it. Let's get that straight. The idea however has not died, and neither have WE THE PEOPLE who still hold this idea, not just in our hearts and minds, but in our very DNA.

Like Victor Hugo said: "No army can stop an idea whose time has come".

It is a great honor to be here in these times.

Cheers,
Fred

BRAVO Fred S...

:bump:

http://calitreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/citizen-kane-clapping-gif.gif

ktlight
28th May 2011, 09:29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5C557_O4nY

The Last Nail is being driven into the coffin of the American Republic. Yet, Congress remains in total denial as our liberties are rapidly fading before our eyes. The process is propelled by unwarranted fear and ignorance as to the true meaning of liberty. It is driven by economic myths, fallacies and irrational good intentions. The rule of law is constantly rejected and authoritarian answers are offered as panaceas for all our problems. Runaway welfarism is used to benefit the rich at the expense of the middle class. Who would have ever thought that the current generation and Congress would stand idly by and watch such a rapid disintegration of the American Republic? Characteristic of this epic event is the casual acceptance by the people and political leaders of the unitary presidency, which is equivalent to granting dictatorial powers to the President. Our Presidents can now, on their own:
1. Order assassinations, including American citizens,
2. Operate secret military tribunals,
3. Engage in torture,
4. Enforce indefinite imprisonment without due process,
5. Order searches and seizures without proper warrants, gutting the 4th Amendment,
6. Ignore the 60 day rule for reporting to the Congress the nature of any military operations as required by the War Power Resolution,
7. Continue the Patriot Act abuses without oversight,
8. Wage war at will,
9. Treat all Americans as suspected terrorists at airports with TSA groping and nude x-raying.
And the Federal Reserve accommodates by counterfeiting the funds needed and not paid for by taxation and borrowing, permitting runaway spending, endless debt, and special interest bail-outs.
And all of this is not enough. The abuses and usurpations of the war power are soon to be codified in the National Defense Authorization Act now rapidly moving its way through the Congress. Instead of repealing the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF), as we should, now that bin Laden is dead and gone, Congress is planning to massively increase the war power of the President. Though an opportunity presents itself to end the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, Congress, with bipartisan support, obsesses on how to expand the unconstitutional war power the President already holds. The current proposal would allow a President to pursue war any time, any place, for any reason, without Congressional approval. Many believe this would even permit military activity against American suspects here at home. The proposed authority does not reference the 9/11 attacks. It would be expanded to include the Taliban and "associated" forces—a dangerously vague and expansive definition of our potential enemies. There is no denial that the changes in s.1034 totally eliminate the hard-fought-for restraint on Presidential authority to go to war without Congressional approval achieved at the Constitutional Convention. Congress' war authority has been severely undermined since World War II beginning with the advent of the Korean War which was fought solely under a UN Resolution. Even today, we're waging war in Libya without even consulting with the Congress, similar to how we went to war in Bosnia in the 1990s under President Clinton. The three major reasons for our Constitutional Convention were to:
1. Guarantee free trade and travel among the states.
2. Make gold and silver legal tender and abolish paper money.
3. Strictly limit the Executive Branch's authority to pursue war without Congressional approval.
But today:
1. Federal Reserve notes are legal tender, gold and silver are illegal.
2. The Interstate Commerce Clause is used to regulate all commerce at the expense of free trade among the states.
3. And now the final nail is placed in the coffin of Congressional responsibility for the war power, delivering this power completely to the President—a sharp and huge blow to the concept of our Republic.
In my view, it appears that the fate of the American Republic is now sealed—unless these recent trends are quickly reversed.
The saddest part of this tragedy is that all these horrible changes are being done in the name of patriotism and protecting freedom. They are justified by good intentions while believing the sacrifice of liberty is required for our safety. Nothing could be further from the truth.
More sadly is the conviction that our enemies are driven to attack us for our freedoms and prosperity, and not because of our deeply flawed foreign policy that has generated justifiable grievances and has inspired the radical violence against us. Without this understanding our endless, unnamed, and undeclared wars will continue and our wonderful experience with liberty will end.

Snowbird
28th May 2011, 15:14
As I am currently reading Jerome Corsi's book, Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President, I can understand fully the reason for this 'Worldwide War' bill. In this book, Corsi has laid out step by step reasons why Barack Obama is unconstitutionally occupying the Oval Office. This *hit is about to hit the fan. According to the information in this book, it appears that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and, never has been, unless he can prove beyond doubt that he was indeed born in Hawaii. So far, this proof has not been brought forward. If he cannot prove that he is a natural-born citizen, then Obama is not eligible for re-election.

In light of this most recent bill under discussion, is this the reason for the apparent threats of the New Madrid quake and the California coastal quake and the threat of alien invasion? Any one of these would put our country into a state of panic and become a perfect excuse for the declaration of Rex 84 below and martial law and the suspension of the 2012 presidential election. When these are declared by the president, only the president can rescind the order. We the people, would therefore lose all freedoms while under Rex 84 and martial law which would be declared by a President who may possibly not be qualified to be declaring or rescinding anything.

Am I the only one putting these puzzle pieces together?


Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a "scenario and drill", developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be "national security threats", in the event that the President declares a "State of Domestic National Emergency". The plan allegedly states that events that might cause such a declaration would be widespread U.S. opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad, such as if the United States were to directly invade Central America. To combat what the government perceived as "subversive activities", the plan also authorized the military to direct ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

andrewgreen
28th May 2011, 15:40
Where their should have been a standing ovation there was a deathly silence.

crosby
28th May 2011, 22:29
As I am currently reading Jerome Corsi's book, Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President, I can understand fully the reason for this 'Worldwide War' bill. In this book, Corsi has laid out step by step reasons why Barack Obama is unconstitutionally occupying the Oval Office. This *hit is about to hit the fan. According to the information in this book, it appears that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and, never has been, unless he can prove beyond doubt that he was indeed born in Hawaii. So far, this proof has not been brought forward. If he cannot prove that he is a natural-born citizen, then Obama is not eligible for re-election.

In light of this most recent bill under discussion, is this the reason for the apparent threats of the New Madrid quake and the California coastal quake and the threat of alien invasion? Any one of these would put our country into a state of panic and become a perfect excuse for the declaration of Rex 84 below and martial law and the suspension of the 2012 presidential election. When these are declared by the president, only the president can rescind the order. We the people, would therefore lose all freedoms while under Rex 84 and martial law which would be declared by a President who may possibly not be qualified to be declaring or rescinding anything.

Am I the only one putting these puzzle pieces together?


Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a "scenario and drill", developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be "national security threats", in the event that the President declares a "State of Domestic National Emergency". The plan allegedly states that events that might cause such a declaration would be widespread U.S. opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad, such as if the United States were to directly invade Central America. To combat what the government perceived as "subversive activities", the plan also authorized the military to direct ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

no Snowbird, we're with you on this. 100%. occasionally, i find it difficult to put the right words together to bring forth a statement that is forceful and straightforward. you have done this beautifully. i am grateful that you have said this. i just couldn't get the passage to formulate in my head.
warmest, corson

fifi
2nd June 2011, 14:53
Transcript for Ron Paul's short speech with hyperlinks added by The New American’s Thomas R. Eddlem.


The Last Nail
by Congressman Ron Paul

The last nail is being driven into the coffin of the American Republic. Yet, Congress remains in total denial as our liberties are rapidly fading before our eyes. The process is propelled by unwarranted fear and ignorance as to the true meaning of liberty. It is driven by economic myths, fallacies and irrational good intentions.

The rule of law is constantly rejected and authoritarian answers are offered as panaceas for all our problems. Runaway welfarism is used to benefit the rich at the expense of the middle class. Who would have ever thought that the current generation and Congress would stand idly by and watch such a rapid disintegration of the American Republic? Characteristic of this epic event is the casual acceptance by the people and political leaders of the unitary presidency, which is equivalent to granting dictatorial powers to the President. Our Presidents can now, on their own:

• Order assassinations, including American citizens;

• Operate secret military tribunals;

• Engage in torture;

• Enforce indefinite imprisonment without due process;

• Order searches and seizures without proper warrants, gutting the Fourth Amendment;

• Ignore the 60-day rule for reporting to the Congress the nature of any military operations as required by the War Power Resolution;

• Continue the Patriot Act abuses without oversight;

• Wage war at will;

• Treat all Americans as suspected terrorists at airports with TSA groping and nude x-raying.

And the Federal Reserve accommodates by counterfeiting the funds needed and not paid for by taxation and borrowing, permitting runaway spending, endless debt, and special interest bail-outs.

And all of this is not enough. The abuses and usurpations of the war power are soon to be codified in the National Defense Authorization Act now rapidly moving its way through Congress. Instead of repealing the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force [AUMF], as we should, now that bin Laden is dead and gone, Congress is planning to massively increase the war power of the President. Though an opportunity presents itself to end the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, Congress, with bipartisan support, obsesses on how to expand the unconstitutional war power the President already holds.

The current proposal would allow a President to pursue war any time, any place, for any reason, without congressional approval. Many believe this would even permit military activity against American suspects here at home. The proposed authority does not reference the 9/11 attacks. It would be expanded to include the Taliban and “associated” forces — a dangerously vague and expansive definition of our potential enemies. There is no denial that the changes in Section 1034 totally eliminate the hard-fought-for restraint on Presidential authority to go to war without Congressional approval achieved at the Constitutional Convention.

Congress’ war authority has been severely undermined since World War II beginning with the advent of the Korean War which was fought solely under a UN Resolution. Even today, we’re waging war in Libya without even consulting with the Congress, similar to how we went to war in Bosnia in the 1990s under President Clinton. The three major reasons for our Constitutional Convention were to:

• Guarantee free trade and travel among the states;

• Make gold and silver legal tender and abolish paper money; and

• Strictly limit the Executive Branch’s authority to pursue war without Congressional approval.

But today:

• Federal Reserve notes are legal tender, gold and silver are illegal;

• The Interstate Commerce Clause is used to regulate all commerce at the expense of free trade among the states;

• And now the final nail is placed in the coffin of congressional responsibility for the war power, delivering this power completely to the President — a sharp and huge blow to the concept of our republic.

In my view, it appears that the fate of the American republic is now sealed — unless these recent trends are quickly reversed. The saddest part of this tragedy is that all these horrible changes are being done in the name of patriotism and protecting freedom. They are justified by good intentions while believing the sacrifice of liberty is required for our safety. Nothing could be further from the truth.

More sadly is the conviction that our enemies are driven to attack us for our freedoms and prosperity, and not because of our deeply flawed foreign policy that has generated justifiable grievances and has inspired the radical violence against us. Without this understanding, our endless, unnamed, and undeclared wars will continue and our wonderful experiment with liberty will end.

Note: If you want to follow the hyperlinks, go to
http://stevebeckow.com/2011/06/ron-paul-the-last-nail/

conk
2nd June 2011, 18:38
I would think that the ''republic'' was dead no later than Dec 23 1913, the rest is just the changing from ''republic'' to communist state.Wow, that must have been you, hiding behind that other shrubbery on Jekyll Island. I thought I was alone. ;)

PHARAOH
2nd June 2011, 21:08
We can only imagine what Ron Pual would really have to say if "WE THE PEOPLE" would only back him.

The One
2nd June 2011, 21:30
Obama’s Promise to Veto ‘Worldwide War’ Bill Rings Hollow...

Friday, May 27, 2011

Given the fact that the Obama administration is now involved in more conflicts and has more troops deployed than at any time during the Bush administration, how confident should we be that a government promise to veto the alarming worldwide war provision contained in the National Defense Authorization Act will be kept?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-olNr4UuVqY&feature=player_embedded

Yesterday the House passed the act, “including a provision to authorize worldwide war, which has no expiration date and will allow this president — and any future president — to go to war anywhere in the world, at any time, without further congressional authorization. The new authorization wouldn’t even require the president to show any threat to the national security of the United States. The American military could become the world’s cop, and could be sent into harm’s way almost anywhere and everywhere around the globe.”

Earlier this week, the White House indicated that it would veto the worldwide war provision, not because it is a flagrant violation of the War Powers Resolution and the basic tenet of not investing dictator powers in a president, but because it could cause “confusion”.

“The Administration strongly objects to section 1034 [the worldwide war provision] which, in purporting to affirm the conflict, would effectively recharacterize its scope and would risk creating confusion regarding applicable standards. At a minimum, this is an issue that merits more extensive consideration before possible inclusion…” the White House wrote to Congress.

The administration’s problem with the provision has nothing to do with the fact that it would make Obama above the law and completely unconstrained by Congress, their only concern is that it would hinder alleged terrorists from being tried in federal courts.

“Section 1039 is a dangerous and unprecedented challenge to critical Executive branch authority to determine when and where to prosecute detainees,” wrote the White House, indicating that a compromise could be made that would ensure the bill’s passage.

According to the ACLU, “President Obama and his administration have to be commended for taking such a tough stance on issues of fundamental importance to the rule of law and our democracy.”

Well, there’s a first time for everything, but the ACLU has completely dropped the ball on this one. The Obama administration is opposed to the worldwide war provision not because it is an egregious expansion of the executive branch, but because it doesn’t give them enough power

More here...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-promise-to-veto-worldwide-war-bill-rings-hollow.html

well done well done

Cidersomerset
2nd June 2011, 22:05
Hi All.....I can't remember who said it ( it will come back to me ) Obama will be the last president of the United States , maybe TPTB final throw of the dice towards the fourth Riech......

Its imperative for all of us that someone like Ron Paul gets in the oval office ..............Great speech I don't know how many people heard it ? probably not enough.....

theguardian
2nd June 2011, 23:38
We can only imagine what Ron Pual would really have to say if "WE THE PEOPLE" would only back him.

More and More i start to realize that the Suppose "WE THE PEOPLE" are the ELITES,
Not the General Populis

Koyaanisqatsi
3rd June 2011, 00:06
As I am currently reading Jerome Corsi's book, Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President, I can understand fully the reason for this 'Worldwide War' bill. In this book, Corsi has laid out step by step reasons why Barack Obama is unconstitutionally occupying the Oval Office. This *hit is about to hit the fan. According to the information in this book, it appears that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and, never has been, unless he can prove beyond doubt that he was indeed born in Hawaii. So far, this proof has not been brought forward. If he cannot prove that he is a natural-born citizen, then Obama is not eligible for re-election.

In light of this most recent bill under discussion, is this the reason for the apparent threats of the New Madrid quake and the California coastal quake and the threat of alien invasion? Any one of these would put our country into a state of panic and become a perfect excuse for the declaration of Rex 84 below and martial law and the suspension of the 2012 presidential election. When these are declared by the president, only the president can rescind the order. We the people, would therefore lose all freedoms while under Rex 84 and martial law which would be declared by a President who may possibly not be qualified to be declaring or rescinding anything.

Am I the only one putting these puzzle pieces together?


Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a "scenario and drill", developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be "national security threats", in the event that the President declares a "State of Domestic National Emergency". The plan allegedly states that events that might cause such a declaration would be widespread U.S. opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad, such as if the United States were to directly invade Central America. To combat what the government perceived as "subversive activities", the plan also authorized the military to direct ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Haha Rex-84, kind of like "1984" by Orwell. Scary huh?

DoubleHelix
3rd June 2011, 03:29
It appears I posted this video in the Ron Paul - Updates and Discussion thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20431-Ron-Paul-Updates-and-Discussion&p=228704&viewfull=1#post228704

Definitely worthy of it's own thread mind you, what a stella speech. I would ask the Mod's to kindly merge threads if that's fine with you Jack.

DoubleHelix
3rd June 2011, 04:00
Ron Paul questions the FED: "We don't own any gold!" 6/1/11

Loose lips, Sink ships... and these Federal Bank cronies certainly keep tight lipped about the whereabouts of America's elusive gold. Back in the early days the Fed was required by law to have a 40% gold backing of its Federal Reserve demand notes up until they nationalised it, turned it over to the treasury and in return received gold certificates. These scoundrels must get cold shivers up and down there spines every time they hear that five letter word AUDIT.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eExucI3IWs&feature=player_embedded

jackovesk
3rd June 2011, 04:16
It appears I posted this video in the Ron Paul - Updates and Discussion thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20431-Ron-Paul-Updates-and-Discussion&p=228704&viewfull=1#post228704

Definitely worthy of it's own thread mind you, what a stella speech. I would ask the Mod's to kindly merge threads if that's fine with you Jack.

I don't have a problem with that if the Mods don't...

Regards,

Jack

Paul
3rd June 2011, 14:20
It appears I posted this video in the Ron Paul - Updates and Discussion thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20431-Ron-Paul-Updates-and-Discussion&p=228704&viewfull=1#post228704

Definitely worthy of it's own thread mind you, what a stella speech. I would ask the Mod's to kindly merge threads if that's fine with you Jack.

Well ... I merged the two threads. It was not a clear cut case whether to merge or not. But it's a done deal now.

DoubleHelix
9th June 2011, 14:10
This one's for the fans of Mister Paul.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKYm_huuRpY&feature=player_embedded

Hummingbird
10th June 2011, 00:00
I feel Ron Paul is definitely making TPTB nervous because the truth vibration is radiating threw the human's and lifting there awareness and valor.

Might be why we here all the talk of something big being planned I'm sure they want to stop the election all together

Rocky_Shorz
10th June 2011, 00:05
why would they want to stop an election?

oh yeah the PTB aren't in control...

so how would that put them in control?

T Smith
10th June 2011, 03:25
why would they want to stop an election?

oh yeah the PTB aren't in control...

so how would that put them in control?

I would say they would definitely want to stop an election if they determined they were not in control of the outcome. Although I think that scenario is least likely. TPTB have been in control of every election since 1913, and probably even before this. In my estimation, any alternative to an election resulting in a victorious representative of the people heading the executive branch would allow tptb to retain the control they already enjoy.

However, before we see some stunt or false flag that halts an election, there are many other tricks the controllers can pull out of their hats not quite so radical. For example, it would be much easier to rig a closely contested election than to stage some event that would suspend the election and possibly incite the grassroots revolution movement even further.

DoubleHelix
10th June 2011, 03:26
I feel Ron Paul is definitely making TPTB nervous because the truth vibration is radiating threw the human's and lifting there awareness and valor.

Might be why we here all the talk of something big being planned I'm sure they want to stop the election all together

Couldn't see them stopping the election. But I definitely agree with you on the prior statement - My prediction is he won't make it to be the POTUS, but the momentum of support gained throughout the election won't go unnoticed. After such we would likely see a backlash once Obama reinforces the status quo...

T Smith
10th June 2011, 04:17
I feel Ron Paul is definitely making TPTB nervous because the truth vibration is radiating threw the human's and lifting there awareness and valor.

Might be why we here all the talk of something big being planned I'm sure they want to stop the election all together

Couldn't see them stopping the election. But I definitely agree with you on the prior statement - My prediction is he won't make it to be the POTUS, but the momentum of support gained throughout the election won't go unnoticed. After such we would likely see a backlash once Obama reinforces the status quo...

I believe the game plan to counter the Ron Paul movement is simply this:

1. Contain Ron Paul's rising stock via all media assets. By employing the usual Alynski techniques, e.g. ridicule and manipulation of public opinion via the usual techniques that have served so well in the past, tptb should be able to keep the Ron Paul Revolution at bay. His message is a nuisance, yes -- awakening some and even framing the debates to some degree -- but one that does not truly represent a threat (or so they think in their arrogance).

2. If it becomes clear that strategy #1 is failing, the next approach would be to actually embrace Ron Paul as candidate (we are seeing this somewhat already). By embracing the candidate, they take back control of the outcome. The media (and establishment) suddenly are no longer an adversary, but a Ron Paul ally, which will give them validity once more to the massive wave of people supporting Ron Paul. But be of no mistake. The media is still playing the flute that calms the savage beast. They are still managing public opinion here. If the Revolution goes viral, Ron Paul could easily have the support of 2/3rds of the voting public, a landslide by any measure, but it will appear on the surface, via a very sophisticated storyline, that the race is much, much closer than this (and to give this psyops credibility, the media may even display a bias toward Ron Paul as their toss-up/long-shot horse that has every shot at winning the race). The theatrical presentation will be so sophisticated that the most seasoned and unsuspecting alike will tune in and buy a more clever kind of reality packaged, wrapped, and sold by Madison Avenue.

When the votes come in favoring the incumbent NWO POTUS, by the narrowest of margins, no one will be the wiser given the theatrical arena. The Revolution platform will be given a token position in the new mandate, but nothing substantial. Another wave of status quo as the agenda moves ever forward.

This is not to say that strategy #2 will not fail as well.... I remain optimistic for the Black Swan event here. For sure we will need to address electronic voting somewhere along the line if there is any chance of a Ron Paul POTUS. Not to mention a whole host of ensuing strategies tptb will also employ if their aforementioned high-cards fail to win the trick.

DoubleHelix
10th June 2011, 06:37
Terrific summary of predictions Mr. Smith.

You have a good grasp on the techniques and strategies the PTB would employ to ensure there agenda's successful. I like your little storyline.. how very close to home that may turn out to be!

Manipulation of the voting system strikes me as there biggest 'ace up the sleeve'. The MSM also plays a valuable role.. everything controlled down to a Tee including viewer poll after viewer poll of fabricated results - Meanwhile little ol' Joe Blow takes one good look and gobbles up every last morsel.

Let's throw a spanner in the mix and say that RP is also a puppet of the ruling elite, the best one to date! - (exceedingly unlikely) - Then once he moves his bag of toiletries into the presidential ensuite he pulls an Obama and prolongs the sad state of current affairs.

jackovesk
14th June 2011, 07:31
Ron Paul addresses a studio audience in a town hall style format. The Congressman answers all kinds of questions on important issues ahead of the debates.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGZj-LlP40I&feature=player_embedded

http://th412.photobucket.com/albums/pp206/benflds5/th_RonPaulWallpaper5.jpg

PS - Go Ron Paul - Yet again this Man 'Tells the Truth & Nothing But the Truth!

:amen: :clap2:

DoubleHelix
15th June 2011, 03:17
Straight shooter Gerald Celente weighs in on the Republican debate, endorsing Ron Paul as the only one with credibility in and amongst the Presidential Reality show!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=J4KLgRoMNaY

The obvious manipulation of voting polls? I watched the highlights of Ron Paul during the Republican debate a couple of days ago - He was a stand out, after every response the he got the biggest cheer from the audience... then they have the audacity to feed us this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPY_6mjL3xY&feature=player_embedded

DoubleHelix
16th June 2011, 01:08
10 Congressmen, Including Paul, Suing Obama Over Constitutionality Of Lybian War

WASHINGTON (AP) — A bipartisan group of 10 lawmakers is suing President Barack Obama for taking military action against Libya without war authorization from Congress.

The lawmakers say Obama violated the Constitution in bypassing Congress and using international organizations like the United Nations and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to authorize military force.

The lawmakers want a judge to issue an order suspending military operations without congressional approval. They said they were filing their lawsuit Wednesday against Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

The plaintiffs are Democratic Reps. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, John Conyers of Michigan and Michael Capuano of Massachusetts and Republican Reps. Walter Jones and Howard Coble of North Carolina, Tim Johnson and Dan Burton of Indiana, Jimmy Duncan of Tennessee, Roscoe Bartlett of Maryland and Ron Paul of Texas.

SOURCE: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/10-congressmen-sue-obama-over-strikes-li

T Smith
17th June 2011, 16:52
Some factions of the main stream media apparently are getting on board...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/06/16/benzinga1177062.DTL

giovonni
23rd June 2011, 03:25
Lawmakers to introduce bill to legalize marijuana http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/a9J7eMSl6G3l2l9jvVVJHg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MzczO2NyPTE7Y3c9NTEyO2R4PTA7ZH k9MDtmaT11bGNyb3A7aD0xMzk7cT04NTt3PTE5MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/AFP/photo_1308783183930-1-0.jpg
"The bill, which is expected to be introduced on Thursday by
Republican Representative Ron Paul and Democratic Representative Barney Frank,
would be the first ever legislation designed to end the federal ban on marijuana."
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/lawmakers-introduce-bill-legalize-marijuana-225335489.html

daledo
25th June 2011, 05:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPhPBCrPV5U

transitionalman
25th June 2011, 06:53
They tried so hard, yet he did so well.

DoubleHelix
28th June 2011, 03:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WYI9qBWZa0E

DoubleHelix
29th June 2011, 02:30
Ron Paul joins Alex Jones on Infowars.

PART 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Z7mhcWACo&feature=player_detailpage

PART 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-dvIv0CvDM0

DoubleHelix
7th July 2011, 07:20
Well we knew they played dirty, so it's good to catch them out once in a while

Here is a screenshot of them hiding Ron's fundraising totals even though he was in a definitive 2nd place with $4.5-$4.6 Million!

http://f.cl.ly/items/2R0D2a0e3C2A31181I3G/Screen%20shot%202011-07-06%20at%201.03.25%20PM.png

<8>
7th July 2011, 12:05
Hi guys.

I listen to most of Ron pauls stuff and i have to say it sounds great!
But me personally dont trust no one at this point. Remember they are soooo smart this people! If you played the game the leaders do and have done for thousands of years, dont you think you had a "back up" like Ron paul? Do you not think they know there are many out there right now who need a Ron paul to wote on?
Naaaaa wake up and smell the coffe! I am puting a clip up on Ron paul doing a sign, it does not prove anything! All i am saying is keep your eyes open!
And 1 more thing. I do not need a leader or whant 1. I am eternal i whant to live my life hear right now on this planet earth. And i know whats right and whats wrong i anwser only to the creater! (and you do to)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x6inINzThw

Humble Janitor
7th July 2011, 12:59
Ron Paul worship is nothing new either.

You know, as nice as he sounds, I'm not buying the savior part.

Calz
12th July 2011, 16:58
Casey is coming to bat to hit a home run ... or strike out ...


Ron Paul not seeking re-election to Congress, will aim for presidency


Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul announced Tuesday morning on his Facebook page that he will not seek re-election in 2012.

“Big news!” Paul wrote. “I have decided not to seek re-election for my House seat in 2012 and will focus all of my energy winning the Presidency. My hometown newspaper The Facts will be running the exclusive story very shortly.”

Paul was first elected to Congress in 1978.


http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-not-seeking-election-congress-aim-presidency-161804866.html

Fred Steeves
12th July 2011, 17:09
I think we're all in that boat together. It's the bottom of the ninth, two outs, and a full count. It's either hit the home run or the game's over.

Hope we all made the best of our practice swings, cause batter up.


Cheers,
Fred

Calz
12th July 2011, 17:59
8641


My hero ...


8640


2nd source:


http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-announces-he-will-not-run-for-re-election-in-house/

crosby
12th July 2011, 18:04
well i for one am very glad to read and hear about this. i think ron paul is a fresh alternative to what we have experienced in this country for quite some time. thanks Calz for posting this thread.
warmest, corson

Cidersomerset
12th July 2011, 19:19
'Go get um Boys '......Ron Paul & Jesse 'Dream team' .....there would never be a dull moment , but the Elites won't let it happen.....

Unless we can avoke a mass awakening......even without Jesse , What I've heard from Ron Paul, he is fully aware of what the 'Globalists' are up to.....

How could he beat them ? only with genuine people power, and proper ballot monitoring to stop election fraud .........maybe next year there could be an 'American Spring' Who knows !!!!! Cheers Steve

rufus7
12th July 2011, 20:50
This could be the perfect storm with Murdocks media empire on its heels maybe ron pual will get fair coverage he deserves.

dddanieljjjamesss
12th July 2011, 21:33
I still can't believe people are ready to be suckered in YET AGAIN.

We don't need to save this system that has enslaved us.

We need to create a NEW system...

rufus7
13th July 2011, 00:28
It cant be all evil this system was set up to provide for the people and still can under great reform and leadership. I think Ron Paul is this man.

Arpheus
13th July 2011, 00:37
Wouldnt it be amazing if he won by an insane huge landslide LOL?Well we can always dream right hehe?But truthfully i agree with Daniel,where in the North shore are ya Daniel ?We should have a couple beers sometime hehe!!

giovonni
13th July 2011, 00:42
I still can't believe people are ready to be suckered in YET AGAIN.

We don't need to save this system that has enslaved us.

We need to create a NEW system...

i can truly understand your feelings about all this. Perhaps this man - Ron Paul might be the catalyst that is so badly needed now - in allowing and creating that new system ? For who knows his true intent, but he could be the common denominator that enables us all to rally together again - as in one sovereign nation ? Either way - real change is called for now and some kind of action is immediately required !

dddanieljjjamesss
13th July 2011, 00:59
Are you willing to let him (or anyone else for that matter!) take responsibility for things that are within YOUR power to change?

You're giving up something no matter what when you play the political game.
Energy wasted that could be spent organizing within your community, gardening, or just making life a better place by being in the world and not leaving the mind in the idealistic realm of governmental probability.

T Smith
13th July 2011, 01:08
I still can't believe people are ready to be suckered in YET AGAIN.

We don't need to save this system that has enslaved us.

We need to create a NEW system...

This is exactly what Ron Paul advocates and stands for... a NEW system entirely. I can only assume you already know this.

T Smith
13th July 2011, 01:15
Are you willing to let him (or anyone else for that matter!) take responsibility for things that are within YOUR power to change?

You're giving up something no matter what when you play the political game.
Energy wasted that could be spent organizing within your community, gardening, or just making life a better place by being in the world and not leaving the mind in the idealistic realm of governmental probability.

I agree with everything you are saying here -- except I think you are mistaking who/what Ron Paul is. This isn't about Ron Paul the person. It's about an idea that Ron Paul has been espousing for two decades. That idea is now growing some legs as people wake up. It's about the people taking responsibility for their own lives and for their own government. I find a good deal of irony in the fact that you are actually paraphrasing everything the Ron Paul movement is about by distancing yourself from it.

Calz
13th July 2011, 01:16
'Go get um Boys '......Ron Paul & Jesse 'Dream team' .....there would never be a dull moment , but the Elites won't let it happen.....

Unless we can avoke a mass awakening......even without Jesse , What I've heard from Ron Paul, he is fully aware of what the 'Globalists' are up to.....

How could he beat them ? only with genuine people power, and proper ballot monitoring to stop election fraud .........maybe next year there could be an 'American Spring' Who knows !!!!! Cheers Steve

Jesse supposedly won't be his running mate unless RP runs as an "independent" and not as a republican. Not likely to happen but who knows??? If he is not going to run for re-election that opens up the possibility.

Whether or not he wins ... or has a chance to (aka blocked by the ptb/w) it still does good to get the message out about closing the federal reserve and stopping the foreign wars (occupation and bases all over the world etc).

Maia Gabrial
13th July 2011, 01:25
dddanieljjjamesss,
You've got that right. The system is corrupt and it needs to be changed. I'm hoping that it'll be a system where no frigging elites/TPTB can slither their way in and crap on it the way they have so far....

dddanieljjjamesss
13th July 2011, 01:32
I'm all for the ideas that this symbol of Ron Paul represents.
But the only kind of organizational structure that I believe in starts within and spreads from the center.
So am I going to vote for a National leader?

No, because it makes no sense to put my faith into that person when I can put it into myself and the people who are close to me and actually, physically present.

BE HERE NOW. If I have the opportunity to look RP in the eyes, I will tell you if my opinion changes.

grannyfranny100
13th July 2011, 01:43
Don't be duped. Google Ron Paul. He is not a shape shifting psychopath, his views have been consistent for 25-30 years. The more one reads, the more the subtext reveals that he understands the global elites. He proposes limiting federal government and returning the creative changes to local people in each state to build a new system and live in harmony with other countries, too. It will be a tough rebuilding process to skate around the cabalists but worth it. I won't live long enough to experience the results but what a gift to leave my grand daughter and yours!

Initially he resisted running again. He is old enough to retire and coast but he realizes our country needs his viewpoint and citizens are finally waking up. Frankly, I sense he is being protected. Of course I don't agree with all his views and neither will you but a vote for Ron Paul isn't a lesser of he two evils. It is a choice for human sovereignty. Don't be so hardened that you write him off.

Calz
13th July 2011, 01:47
Don't be duped. Google Ron Paul. He is not a shape shifting psychopath, his views have been consistent for 25-30 years. The more one reads, the more the subtext reveals that he understands the global elites. He proposes limiting federal government and returning the creative changes to local people in each state to build a new system and live in harmony with other countries, too. It will be a tough rebuilding process to skate around the cabalists but worth it. I won't live long enough to experience the results but what a gift to leave my grand daughter and yours!

Initially he resisted running again. He is old enough to retire and coast but he realizes our country needs his viewpoint and citizens are finally waking up. Frankly, I sense he is being protected. Of course I don't agree with all his views and neither will you but a vote for Ron Paul isn't a lesser of he two evils. It is a choice for human sovereignty. Don't be so hardened that you write him off.

One of very few honest politicians.

One of very few that actually give a damn for people and doesn't do lip service just for poll numbers.

Positive Vibe Merchant
13th July 2011, 02:48
I have alot of respect for Ron Paul, though if they were not able to rig the election so that he did not win, I think his lifespan, or that of his close family members would be seriously deminished.

PVM

andrewgreen
13th July 2011, 03:03
The american constitution has carried America and the world through dark times. Ron Paul recognises its under attack and if that falls its the last wall of defence for humanity, if we lose we finished.

Charlie Pecos
13th July 2011, 03:13
Does anyone honestly think that if Ron Paul (or anyone else for that matter) were elected to the office of the President of the United States of America, that it would change anything?

For that matter, does anyone actually still believe that voting for a politician will bring about any meaningful change at all?

Look at Mr. Hope & Change. Placing human beings in positions of power only brings about corruption and exploitation. It is not that power corrupts, but rather that positions of power attract the corruptible.

From here on out we can count on one thing: If an individual is "elected" to a position of leadership, it is because he is owned, approved by those who actually "run" our world, and this person does not give a rats ass about you or I. He is in it for himself.

Abdicating our personally responsibility to "elected" leaders is what allows us to be controlled and manipulated. If we want to be a free people, perhaps we should start acting like one.

Let us not look to be led any longer, leaders are our downfall.

Let us lead ourselves instead.

Cidersomerset
13th July 2011, 13:51
Hi dddanialjamesss I total agree , all of us would like a new system of government , where everyone was equal from the president/Queen to the The road sweeper/ nurse.......NOT COMMUNISM....Just equal Human beings, obviously rules and obligations to society would have to be worked out , wealth would be guaged more on happiness and fulfilment ...NOT RELIGION.........everyone would be housed, fed equally as a basic.....from there a new society of genuine equals can evolve.........

Now back to the real world , Democracy as we are led to believe it has never been fair ,under the capitilist system only greed/power/fame is thought the pinickle of life....The best we can do for now is to try and wake people up to the hypercritical reteric and corruptoin spouted by our industrial and political masters...........

How is it possible to be multi-Trillions in debt ? without criminal neglagence from Banksters/polititions............
Most families balance their budgets everyweek.....So why has the Governments around the world failed basic home economics? ..........
unless its part of TNWO agenda to keep everyone in dept so as to keep control!!.............


ITS BLOODY OBVIOUS....JOURNALISTS WHERE ARE YOU?.....Cheers STEVE

Calz
13th July 2011, 14:19
RP has been in "the system" for 25 years or so.

The fact that he continues to "speak truth to power" implies he is one of the few who cannot be compromised by the "system" (or to be blunt there is no youtube ready to go viral with him snorting a few lines and having at it with underaged children).

How do you think so many of the others in government are compromised (that being one of the more extreme examples ... bought and paid for much less)?

Yes ***OF COURSE*** it would be best to do away with centralized government and have local communities with no "leaders" save those with demonstrated spiritual and benevolent qualities.

How do we get "from here to there"???

Who knows if there will even be a 2012 election??? Do you???

I stand by Ron Paul because of his characteristics.

Is it foolish to hope he will be elected ... if so left alive???

IMHO if we give up hope for a better tomorrow then what is the point?


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Take note of this thread if you feel "all is lost" and the "system is broken beyond repair":


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