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Bill Ryan
15th September 2012, 23:07
Dear All,
As you know, potential members complete an online form to join the Avalon Forum, and then the moderators consider carefully the application. In some cases, the application is turned down.
The message we send out in this instance is this one:
Dear ______ ,
Very many thanks for your interest to join the Project Avalon Forum.
Please excuse this generic letter. We receive a large number of applications, and simply don't have the manpower to write back to each applicant individually.
As we explained when you first notified us of your interest, we're accepting very few new members at the moment. But we did welcome your application.
Based on the information you gave us (and please bear in mind that this is all we know about you), we regret that we're not in a position to create a forum account for you at this time.
We do know that it is impossible to get to know someone thoroughly via a simple application form, and if you feel we have made a mistake or have misunderstood you, please write back to us at staff@projectavalon.net, and we'll be pleased to hear from you again.
With our personal regards,
- The Project Avalon Forum Staff
In this instance, the person concerned wrote back a courteous, personal and lengthy e-mail asking why they were turned down -- so that they could learn. I felt compelled to write back personally. Here's what I said. I thought the forum might find it of interest.
Dear ______ ,
Thank you for your message. This reply is written personally by myself, Bill Ryan. I felt that you deserved a more detailed reply. We do NOT intend you to feel that in any way we did not like you, or somehow disapproved of you, as a person.
The problem from the point of view of your application, and the information you shared with us, was your focus on the GFL and that (in your own words) you had an ambition to "ascend to the 5th dimension".
On this particular forum, we are very wary of members (and new applicants) who have those interests and those beliefs -- which is what they really are. Other forums may be more suitable for your personal needs. On the Avalon Forum ("where science and spirituality meet"), we look at these issues with a critical mind, and there are a few members who hold similar beliefs to yours who are given quite a rough ride by others.
The 'rough ride' that GFL and Ascension believers are given is not one that contains rudeness or insults (those are strongly moderated) -- but may nonetheless be one which may be uncomfortable for you to experience.
None of this should be interpreted as meaning that ETs (and Starseeds) do not exist. They certainly do. There are many galactic civilizations out there, and some of them are communicating with this planet's citizens in a variety of ways. Some of them have certainly incarnated here. Incarnating as human is a specific "loophole" way of assisting the planet without violating the various non-interference agreements which are usually (but not always) followed. Of these, some incarnated this lifetime, while others have been here for quite a time.
"Ascension", in the way that the term is usually used, is a New Age fiction -- a belief system of its own. Nothing of this kind will happen. We have to take responsibility for the mess we've created here over a period of thousands of years. The planet is in a poor state, and is on the verge of quite a degree of ruin. As I write this, we are in the middle of an enormous mass extinction of species. Many quite large areas of the world's oceans are almost devoid of life.
No-one is going to get us out of this situation except for us ourselves. It's part of our learning. We may or may not win that "game". That's what makes it a challenge. The outcome is not fixed. And no ETs are going to do this for us, although they are indirectly assisting in various ways.
This is our planet. Not anyone else's. Essentially, it's all about personal responsibility.
With my personal best wishes for your journey -- Bill Ryan
onawah
15th September 2012, 23:10
I think that is a very appropriate response and a good explanation of what has led to PA's position re the GFL, etc.
Vitalux
15th September 2012, 23:34
Thank you for sharing this with us Bill.:grouphug:
Bill when you share information with us, like this, from time to time it helps us understand some of the difficulty you encounter while making day to day decisions concerning management of Avalon.
I must say, I do appreciate your energy and wisdom in navigating this ship.
In many ways, I am sure some days you understand that it is a thankless job.
But on those rare, occasions, when you read notes such as this, my hope is that you will know you are very much loved and appreciated in the third dimension and all other dimension too.
Mind you, I am not so sure about that person whom you rejected from the 5th dimension, you might find they wont let you play in their club should you go knocking there.:ohwell:
:laugh:
SKAWF
15th September 2012, 23:36
oddly enough, i used the have the view that it (GFL) was harmless feelgood messages,
and that people should be allowed to follow anything they desire...
but behind it all is something quite disturbing.
in a way, i am moved, when i consider that there are people who,
underneath it all, are aware that we are in the sh*t....
and that they must (choose words carefully!)
they need to believe in something that will counter the negativity they sense
but the GFL has no basis in practical reality,
and when seen from that perspective,
it seems somehow cruel to present those who are genuinely, and fundamentally fearful of our situation,
with messages that serve no useful purpose, or are only superficial in nature.
the time, attention and energy that people put into it,
could be much better spent doing something that will actually help them,
such as some genuine soul searching, or medititation.
the energy that people feel when they read stuff like that...
is INSIDE them.
they could access it without even reading those messages.
at least it would be their own rather than coming in from an external source.
best wishes
steve
wobbegong
15th September 2012, 23:36
That is a very fair and honest explanation, thankyou for sharing it Bill.
...And I'm 100% with you on this:
"This is our planet. Not anyone else's. Essentially, it's all about personal responsibility."
DeDukshyn
15th September 2012, 23:43
I think that was fair ... it's not that there is no ET's and no possible "ascension" -- but the understanding of those things -- I think -- have to go much deeper than relying on any single 3rd party of "unknown existence and/or alignment"
I think your response was fair Bill, and .. I also hope that applicant continues on his/her path -- the fact that he/she wanted your response to "learn by" almost makes think they may well be worthy .. regardless, I have no doubt he/she will continue their path and hopefully apply again at a moment that is right.
My 2 cents ;)
Anchor
15th September 2012, 23:44
I appreciate the transparency.
Something feels a bit wrong to me about the way things like this go down, but I cant seem to put my finger on it. It takes a time to apply and it takes others time to assess the application. Clearly people are applying with a view of the acceptance criteria that is not realistic - and that stands to reason as there are none that they could have read about. Being denied is a big let down.
Should there not be some guidelines that people can read that will enable them to more fully understand the character of the forum (particularly as not all of it is visible to unregistered users) before they consider application ?
Incidentally, what is the applicant to acceptance ratio?
ThePythonicCow
15th September 2012, 23:55
Incidentally, what is the applicant to acceptance ratio?
Out of every 7 new member applications, we accept about 5, and reject about 2.
DeDukshyn
15th September 2012, 23:59
"Clearly people are applying with a view of the acceptance criteria that is not realistic - and that stands to reason as there are none that they could have read about." -- Anchor
Yes I agree, but at the same time this brings out a tool for helping determine who comes in, rather than people making resumes after knowing what the interviewer wants to hear. It's tricky , but I see your point ...
Anchor
15th September 2012, 23:59
Incidentally, what is the applicant to acceptance ratio?
Out of every 7 new member applications, we accept about 5, and reject about 2.
Thanks, that actually does work to reduce what small concern I had felt.
Also you never rejected anyone who I recommended try to join the forum either :)
gripreaper
16th September 2012, 00:02
Sorry, I couldn't resist. No disrespect to anyone.
http://meemsy.com/v/3683
Wind
16th September 2012, 00:07
I appreciate the message you shared with us, Bill. But what I do have to disagree is ascension. I don't think it is just New Age "fiction" and I firmly believe in it. Ascension and channeled messages seem to be the most controversial topics out there, even here in the alternative community. Saying that it ascension is fiction and it won't happen is your belief and opinion, but not the absolute truth (if there even is one). I find it a little disrespectful towards us who have that belief. None of us know what will eventually happen, there are just endless potentials.
I hope that I don't sound too negative. I am thankful for being able to to be part of Avalon and I think that there isn't any other forum like it. This is place is a gold mine of information and it is full of interesting opinions... Here are so many wonderful souls who are sharing their experiences from all over the world.
We are all together on this journey of ours. Let's not forget it. :)
SilentFeathers
16th September 2012, 00:22
Thanks for sharing this message with others Bill, it has given me a bit more respect for the forum and those operating it.....and perhaps I will hang around a bit longer here knowing this forum won't be over-ran with too much nonsense......(sorry for being blunt, but that's what I think of the GFL and much of what goes along with it.)!!!
Fred Steeves
16th September 2012, 00:26
It takes a time to apply and it takes others time to assess the application. Clearly people are applying with a view of the acceptance criteria that is not realistic - and that stands to reason as there are none that they could have read about. Being denied is a big let down.
Funny you mention that John. I first applied to Avalon in March/April of '10, shortly after getting turned on to Bill and Kerry's interviews. After a few weeks of no response, I just figured it wasn't meant to be, I wasn't the right fit, or whatever. I have not a clue thinking back now as to why I applied again several months later in December '10, probably stubborness. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif And, of course I had been unaware of what had been going on with the new/current forum opening.
Sure I was a bit let down, but life goes on, and it did. Who knows though, it's quite possible had that ruckus not been going on at the time I first applied, and I had been accepted, I would have simply done the old moth to a flame and gotten my dumb ass banned.(LOL)
Me thinks that anyone who is meant to be here will be, when the time is right.
Sorry for rambling, and good answer to the applicant Bill. Things are moving fast, and it's not so easy to make the right moves.
Cheers,
Fred
enfoldedblue
16th September 2012, 00:31
Hi Bill,
While I totally agree with you re the whole GFL dodginess, and personally don't associate with the term ascension, I can't help but point out that the featured video on this website is Inelia Benz of Ascension 101. If I was an applying member at this point I would find this response somewhat confusing, especially if it had been the video that inspired me to aply for membership.
Thanks for sharing :)
CdnSirian
16th September 2012, 00:41
I appreciate you sharing this Bill. Rejection is tough, and I certainly have never thought about anyone being rejected for PA participation. Perhaps you gave this individual a prompt to review his goals, or merely define them better in a way that will serve him/her very well.
I personally have no experience with GFL, though I see They/It gets mentioned often here.
Vitalux
16th September 2012, 00:41
Could someone please tell me what GFL is? :confused:
DeDukshyn
16th September 2012, 00:44
(somewhat in response to enfoldedblue above ...)
"Ascension" is a generalization, and thus it gets generalized. i like to think in terms of "vibrational physics" -- which is not a generalization and has a much more "understandability" and far less "obscureness" then the terms used by many so called (as in they are not really), "New agers" out there who have no understanding of the underlying mechanisms. It saddens me to see that "New Age" and "ascension" have been reduced to four letter words by the community that has been heavily influenced by the elite (yup, that is how it happened - they start it, we keep it going until it serves their needs), but that just means we need to delve into the distinctions and details that will eventually unveil a much larger truth which will in turn, suit the agenda of global awakening. My 2 cents. All is well! (I'm feeling a tad Jorr-ish) ;)
norman
16th September 2012, 00:58
Could someone please tell me what GFL is? :confused:
Galactic Federation of Light.
WhiteFeather
16th September 2012, 01:04
Ascension has many different meanings. As Inelia Benz defines it simple enough and one that i can relate with. Expansion of Awareness.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47746-The-Basics-Of-Ascension-By-Inelia-Benz
Arrowwind
16th September 2012, 01:10
Really, quite a few are into ascension here... as well as people like Inelia. Of course everyone has their own definition of what ascension is....
GFL.... now, I dont care for that dogma too much myself... but when they speak I have the good common sense to turn the page. I dont need anyone deleting chapters for me or limiting my exposure. Personally I think these folks need a reality wakeup call. What better place than here under the good guidance of so many Avelonians to get a broadened point of view and reality check. I do not believe in censorship by authority over others. I do my own censorship for myself. Im a big girl.
Cognitive Dissident
16th September 2012, 01:39
This is a very interesting thread. I agree with Bill's original response to the GFL application. On this subject, we should also bear in mind what George Kavassilas has to say (not that I believe or even understand everything that he says). He describes himself as ex-GFL (not that he uses those words) meaning that he used to believe in the GFL, but now sees them as full of "self-righteousness, superiority and... the false light". In other words, there is a lot of feel good stuff there, but it is not actually real. He thinks the GFL may be trying to help, but they are also stuck in the illusion, and will just lead people who follow them down an unreal path, even if it is an unreal path full of fluffy clouds and marshmallows.
What I find interesting with GFL types is that they get really angry and upset if you suggest the above to them. If they are able to have a discussion about it, then fine, but the "true believers" tend not to be able to, just like true believers of all stripes.
I am all for expansion of consciousness and ascension (small a) but what I am realising more and more is how complicated it is "up there" and how little we know. And probably, how very few of the ET/other dimensional beings that are visiting us know the "big picture", never mind communicating it to us. So we cannot take any information received from them for granted, such as channelled information.
What is clear, to me at least, is that there is some sort of shifting going on at a deep, perhaps metaphysical level. I don't mean Dec 21, 2012, but something is definitely "up". The veils between the dimensions are thinning. Perhaps this is why so many more UFOs are visible now than in the past. Or perhaps it was the nuclear weapons and testing. Or maybe Parson's Moonchild working. Or Crowley's Lam, who you've got to admit looks really like a classic grey. Sorry, digression.
But the point is that it is becoming more likely that there will be more open contact between us and the other beings in the future. Of course, you can say that this has been going on for a while, with crop circles, channelling, contactees, UFOs, abductions, etc., and all of that is true. But what would happen if the GFL turn up in their motherships and give us an open invitation to go with them? How many would do so? My guess is, quite a few. That's when it's going to get interesting.
kikidoll
16th September 2012, 01:52
I appreciate the consideration that goes into this application process and am grateful to have received my provisional membership status. I have been hanging around Avalon and Camelot for several years, lurking, reading, nodding, cheering, despairing, contemplating and now participating. And I wanted to thank Fred Steeves for his balanced and thoughtful posts for pushing me from lurker to participant. Thanks Fred.
Tangri
16th September 2012, 02:07
I am not familiar with GFL or Ascension idea /belief and how it would be cause a threat or discord the harmony.
If an individual kept responsible for it's mother belief which comes from his/her birth and will be refused keep in touch from others .It will not give any opportunities to them to resonate other vibrations.
It can go till religious, language, culture . Some one can say to a Muslim person
- you can not be accepted this society because some of our members think all Muslims are terrorist and cause you a THE rough ride may nonetheless be one which may be uncomfortable for you to experience
Or some one can say to a Jew person
- You may have a The rough ride because some of our members think Israel government wants to destroy Earth
Or some one can say
- your mother tong is not English and you might be misunderstood and mistreated by the members and ask you your origins.
I believe most of the Avalonians comes from very uncomfortable starting(wake up) points and it is not important what they did or believed in their earlier life.
An Important thing is catching proper resonance to fully wake up. Some can wash his/her face with cold water, some one chose dark coffee, some on chose 2 glasses of water
Some one swims at morning waves or smells morning breeze. After waking up we are all same does not matter how we did.
If your off springs can not experience the real world, your advice and teachings are only fire stories for them.
Love and Peace for everyone
music
16th September 2012, 02:11
(somewhat in response to enfoldedblue above ...)
"Ascension" is a generalization, and thus it gets generalized. i like to think in terms of "vibrational physics" -- which is not a generalization and has a much more "understandability" and far less "obscureness" then the terms used by many so called (as in they are not really), "New agers" out there who have no understanding of the underlying mechanisms. It saddens me to see that "New Age" and "ascension" have been reduced to four letter words by the community that has been heavily influenced by the elite (yup, that is how it happened - they start it, we keep it going until it serves their needs), but that just means we need to delve into the distinctions and details that will eventually unveil a much larger truth which will in turn, suit the agenda of global awakening. My 2 cents. All is well! (I'm feeling a tad Jorr-ish) ;)
While it is true that ascension, as understood by people who generally have little actual awareness or higher dimensional experience, tends to prompt me to offer the ascendee some toilet paper, there is something behind the blanket phrase. You and enfoldedblue appear to me to be on the same page, in that you both are aware of the shifting nature of universal energetics, and also aware that these truths are being exploited, corrupted and co-opted by those with a vested interest in the disempowerment of humanity. Sure, GFL, particularly as spat out by the likes of agent Greg Giles is a crock of ****e, but so too, IMO, is Anelia Benz. As enfoldedblue pointed out, a first visit to this forum, with Inelia's video displayed in such a prominent place, would lead one to believe that THIS is a large part of what this forum is about. I would also add that this would be a perfect forum from which to be assisted in the process of weaning oneself off of the lazy GFL assisted ascension assumption, so turning down this application would most likey have a nett negative outcome where the greater common good is concerned. Again, IMO :)
amandapoet
16th September 2012, 02:13
Could someone please tell me what GFL is? :confused:
Galactic Federation of Light.
I too was clueless, thanks for the clarification. I also appreciate sharing these letters with us. When I applied for membership I was most attracted to the balance presented with science, spirituality, and basic practical living during these pressing times-- in addition advocating a sense of personal responsibility for the betterment of ourselves, our planet, and our consciousness.
Thank you Bill and moderator team for your efforts in encouraging a true community to form here at Avalon.
sigma6
16th September 2012, 02:16
You could be in big trouble Bill, if Galactor of the Imperial Interstellar Federation hears of this, they might aim their isontronic techion beam and manipulate your thinking, however if you line your hat with aluminum foil, especially during electrical storms you should have adequate protection, (uh oh, I better not say too much myself...)
Ok, I don't really follow the channelers and the 'federation' bunch... in fact I don't even have a clue what GLF is... (and I am not even going to bother to look it up... LOL) I just take in what falls on my lap in this dept... for ex I am on this Skype group, where there are some huge channeling fans, and like here we do have a 'non bashing' code, I still like it for the the links to other information, and it is easy to spot (the overly long winded renditions of type) and skip to the next bit... lol, I have gotten into my fair share of 'directed questioning'... (but it's of no avail...) I wouldn't read it otherwise, and I have always analyzed it as a specific form of 'marketing'... ie. the long letters, the endearing platitudes, etc... I can't look into it too closely, because intuitively it just doesn't appeal, and it jars my sense of logic to such a degree that it 'hurts' sometimes to read it, sometimes it is entertaining, and sometimes it is actually therapeutic, like reading a science fiction novel, where I just let myself go for a few minutes, 'suspending disbelief' (which takes a conscious effort these days) the way I would if I was enjoying a favourite read, especially since I no longer have the indulgence these days of picking up any good 'science fiction' novels... mind you I don't haven't even bothered to read anything on that group in a long time (too many things going on in my typical Gemini world...)
It quite fascinates me though, the huge demographic out there, I am intrigued and sometimes desire to understand the underlying rationale of some of these individuals, they are more dedicated then Ron Paul fans... this truly makes me wonder... I see patterns of 'devotion' similar to people who have been heavily indoctrinated with religious beliefs, and of course I am fascinated by this... at the parallels... although it is a complex behaviour, I think some of the factors are that there is a strong desire to have a belief in something that is 'good' out there... and it's hard to criticize someone who is just trying so darn hard to believe in something 'good'... it's hard to point a finger at their 'over-simplifying' or over rationalizations, or something I almost don't want to delve into, there is almost a kind of desperation... I sometimes think these people are of 'limited' higher education, and a significant percentage may be... and see the parallel of similarity to the 'devout' overly religious crowd... ( I know I am going to take some heat for saying that...) but... I am also saying this doesn't fully explain it... as sometimes even the educated can be just as equally devout, and I have a huge respect for some of these individuals, so sincere is their belief.... so there is no common and well identified common denominator... but I do focus on the intensity of some of these individual's belief, there is a real emotional steadfastness and intensity to it...
... and that does fascinate... I also have found from experience, if you have a very long (sometimes many hours) discussion, and logically go through all the assumptions, contextual beliefs, and ideas, there is usually some fatal flaw(s) in their 'logic' and they can be made to see, at the very least, the possibility of other possible interpretations, and I feel like I have opened up at least one mind to a new world of reason, and critical thinking, of accepting the limitations and the reality (and intellectual freedom) of simply 'not knowing' ... but amazingly I will find that the very next day they have fallen right back into their old thinking again... even though they were open and agreeing the day before!
It is just not a simple thing to understand. There are powerful emotional underlying causes at work here. So I let these folks be, give them their space, show some compassion, as long as they don't drive me too crazy with some of the things they say. Not trying to be patronizing either, just accepting, but carefully keeping an eye and always fascinated just how far they can take their line of thinking...
...but this does make me want to ask one question that itches in the back of my mind, all this talk makes me think of David Wilcock, because I know he is, or at least was (I am so 'not caught up' these days...) a big 'ascension buff' and he is certainly not someone I would even attempt to pigeonhole. But I am curious where he is at currently on this subject. And I wonder what is the current relationship, between Bill and David, as I haven't heard any reference from either about the other in a long while, and ever since Bill and Kerry 'expanded into specialized niches' I wonder if like many separated 'couples' this has put a spanner into all the 'shared' relationships that existed prior? (oh woe is my heart when I think that even one relationship might be lost, of all these 'larger then life' people who I have endeared in my mind... (lol))
If anyone has any 'updates' to share, I am 'all ears'... I haven't been keeping up on a lot of my favourite 'people' lately and would love to hear a few good 'nutshells'... I feel like am falling behind... ;[
...in any event, thanks for sharing such an intimate understanding, of yet one more detail of insight into your thoughts and understanding... always liked your 'English' Bill, it's the kind I really admire (I would almost say a dying breed in this age, I'm afraid to say) For myself. there are so many realities out there, so many perceptions, beliefs, views, assumptions and presumptions, I don't take for granted what I know, and at the same know there are many towering minds out there, that would humble me in an instant. Maybe I am getting 'old' but it is humbling to find the more I learn, the more I become aware of the infinity of what I don't know becomes...
SilentFeathers
16th September 2012, 02:18
I ascended this morning when I got UP out of bed!
Mike
16th September 2012, 02:24
admittedly, channellings and messages from the GFL set off alarms at the base of my skull, but i've never shared the sensitivity of some of our members' here regarding these things, and am often confused by the borderline vitriol spewed towards the members that view this stuff favorably. i've always felt humor was a better approach towards disagreement than blatant anger, or perhaps a little biting sarcasm. i've often imagined these types of angry posters, and my images will almost always involve an unshaven individual stooped over by the weight of the 10 dozen text laden pins on his camouflage jacket that espouse his various political causes -- both pro and con. "vote for Obama!...and f#ck those damn channellers!"
my whole attitude has always been to ignore it and move on. or to maybe have a laugh over it.
i'm all for preserving the integrity of the forum, but we can't in one breath slag a channeler or a GFL-er, and then indignantly quote, say, David Icke in the next. but this is often done with a disturbing lack of irony:
D.Icke supporter: "you're wrong channeler. you're crazy man! no aliens are coming to save us!"
channeller: "really? how can you be so sure?"
D.Icke supporter: "because a shape-shifting reptilian alien for the upper 4th dimension told me."
my point is that, relative to the common man, it's all equally as outrageous. staying with my example, i *do* think there is some real value in Icke's stuff and even in some channellings, but that's for the individual to decide. i just find that judgements regarding what's crazy or irresponsible to be the height of hypocrisy when the one doing the judging has claimed to speak to Christ in the desert the night before, or some such nonsense. look, we're all crazy man!;)
this *isn't* a defense of channelers, btw, whom i personally regard to be (generally) a bit creepy and unstable on the whole; but i think, relative to the rest of the info on the forum, that desiring to enter the 5th dimension is a pretty innocuous comment, and i'm a bit surprised it's worked against this prospective member. in light of some of your other comments Bill, like confirming the existence of star-seeds, aliens communicating with our citizens, reincarnation, loopholes etc (all of which i agree with btw. but they are just beliefs as well, and not very scientific!;))...i think this fella would fit right in! in fact, if i was an average man interested in average things, i might have judged you to be the more unstable of the 2!;) but even as someone who fancies himself a bit of a veteran here, i have to say that in the final analysis you can't really put a looseleaf sheet of paper between some of the beliefs i favor (like starseeds) and those that i don't (like channeling). yes, our channellers have been wildly inaccurate and even misleading, but so have our alt heroes (icke, Fulford, Deagle, Collier etc...)
i'm personally more concerned with the trolls and the disrupters than the various ideologies i may disagree with here. and enfoldedblue makes a good point regarding the featured interview here being Inelia Benz: Ascension 101. i have no issues at all with Inelia Benz, but this is a bit misleading.
just my 2 cents, respectfully.
RunningDeer
16th September 2012, 02:26
Could someone please tell me what GFL is? :confused:
Hello Vitalux,
For further information about GFL check out this thread @1hr:49 minutes. There is also a loose transcript you can read that goes along with it.
"Project Camelot: Interview with George Kavassilas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48854-Sacred-Knowledge-Of-Vibrations-And-The-Power-Of-Human-Emotion&p=542329&viewfull=1#post542329)" - Goal: We are getting out of Victimhood
mosquito
16th September 2012, 02:35
Bill, thank you for the transparency.
In this age of "we don't feel any obligation to even acknowledge your job/forum application", it's nice to see you take the trouble to reply personally to the person concerned and share it with us.
Brownie points and extra smarties all round !
Carmody
16th September 2012, 02:37
It's degrees and levels. And one makes choices, and so on.
It goes back to that thing about having the quiet ones be able to have a space and place to speak, via being around places and people that are not so raucous, not so intense and not so..er...outre.
Basically, that emotionally driven discussions or continual levels of intensity can be fruitful, but they don't function --as a norm.
And in the middle, somewhere, we get some good conversations.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Let's also say that, from my understanding of it, the Galactic Federation of Light....has absolutely no traction with about, oh..... 10,000+ years of humanity's existential search for the truth.
edit: my final point is sort of covered in this post, regarding this sort of matter/issue. Repairing the self, coming to a good solid answer, and getting somewhere is hard work, even for the best of us. And pulling an answer out of your butt and it saving you while you sit on some existential beach drinking pina coloadas... via a proffered solution for all, a solution that has no depth or presence in the prior 10 millennia, whatsoever....is just about a zero in my book.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=553773&viewfull=1#post553773
Bill Ryan
16th September 2012, 02:51
Hi Bill,
While I totally agree with you re the whole GFL dodginess, and personally don't associate with the term ascension, I can't help but point out that the featured video on this website is Inelia Benz of Ascension 101. If I was an applying member at this point I would find this response somewhat confusing, especially if it had been the video that inspired me to aply for membership.
Inelia's definition of 'Ascension' is different: "Expansion of awareness".
That's a workable description of what's happening on the planet at the moment. It's nothing to do with anyone shifting into another dimension of existence.
Anastasia
16th September 2012, 03:00
Dear Bill:
Thank you so much for sharing this information. I am invigorated by your final response to the person in correspondense. It helps me to understand the essence of the group.
I am not so scientific. I am an INDIVIDUALIST, though. I believe my destiny belongs to me and my consciousness, that I am not here to attempt to convince anyone of anything...I am only seeking to share on whatever level where two or more may find a sense of creativity, growth, interest, and joy.
GFL has always been a source of (i quickly move on when they come up) concern. What comes up for me is "sheeple". blind faith?!
Thank you,
Sincerely,
Anastasia
Mike
16th September 2012, 03:04
Hi Bill,
While I totally agree with you re the whole GFL dodginess, and personally don't associate with the term ascension, I can't help but point out that the featured video on this website is Inelia Benz of Ascension 101. If I was an applying member at this point I would find this response somewhat confusing, especially if it had been the video that inspired me to aply for membership.
Inelia's definition of 'Ascension' is different: "Expansion of awareness".
That's a workable description of what's happening on the planet at the moment. It's nothing to do with anyone shifting into another dimension of existence.
but she is also a proponent of the 'split earth' theory, correct? which includes, as i understand it, a separation of 'dark' and 'light' entities into different...well...if not 'dimensions' then what?:confused:
i was trying to probe her on this a bit before she disappeared but it was never explained to my satisfaction.
truth4me
16th September 2012, 03:12
Ascension has many different meanings. As Inelia Benz defines it simple enough and one that i can relate with. Expansion of Awareness.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47746-The-Basics-Of-Ascension-By-Inelia-Benz
Expansion of Awareness---that's the ticket friends! I have been trying to find away to describe how I've been feeling and expansion of awareness is it! I feel I'm so much more aware of things around me.....I think I will go back and look at the interveiw with Inelia Benz again.....
A note about the GFL. I read on one of their blogs about Obama being a light worker and that sealed it with me on them being dis-info. Obama--the only thing he "lites" is his cigarettes IMHO.......:eyebrows:
sigma6
16th September 2012, 03:17
Sorry, I couldn't resist. No disrespect to anyone.
http://meemsy.com/v/3683
LOL, thanks for a refreshing chortle, I swear at 3:31 (or as David would say right at 3:33!) he says the word "Drake"!... they should have worked that in!...
DeDukshyn
16th September 2012, 03:19
Hi Bill,
While I totally agree with you re the whole GFL dodginess, and personally don't associate with the term ascension, I can't help but point out that the featured video on this website is Inelia Benz of Ascension 101. If I was an applying member at this point I would find this response somewhat confusing, especially if it had been the video that inspired me to aply for membership.
Inelia's definition of 'Ascension' is different: "Expansion of awareness".
That's a workable description of what's happening on the planet at the moment. It's nothing to do with anyone shifting into another dimension of existence.
Thanks Bill, for your words on this; these distinctions are important, as the term ascension has been so vastly "generalized" it in itself means that which the beholder wants to judge it by ... and by no means is this term the only one when it comes to this category -- there are scores. We all need to look into the essence of what any speaker is trying to get across and judge little the individual words being spoken. Language is art and often words and concepts are metaphors.
Bill Ryan
16th September 2012, 03:20
Hi Bill,
While I totally agree with you re the whole GFL dodginess, and personally don't associate with the term ascension, I can't help but point out that the featured video on this website is Inelia Benz of Ascension 101. If I was an applying member at this point I would find this response somewhat confusing, especially if it had been the video that inspired me to aply for membership.
Inelia's definition of 'Ascension' is different: "Expansion of awareness".
That's a workable description of what's happening on the planet at the moment. It's nothing to do with anyone shifting into another dimension of existence.
but she is also a proponent of the 'split earth' theory, correct? which includes, as i understand it, a separation of 'dark' and 'light' entities into different...well...if not 'dimensions' then what?:confused:
i was trying to probe her on this a bit before she disappeared but it was never explained to my satisfaction.
That's right. She's completely incorrect about that. She'd got herself metaphysically confused about an unusual personal experience that she'd had -- though her interpretation was well-intentioned, as all her perspectives always have been.
Mike
16th September 2012, 03:35
i don't doubt her intentions. just curious.
i never worried that she'd be starring in any of Kirk Cameron's 'Left Behind' series, but i sorta took what she said and placed it against the D. Cannon stuff and had resigned myself to a life with the dark side, roasting marshmellows with Kissinger at Bohemian Grove as i ruefully watched 'light' earth take off into the sun, or the 4th dimension, or wherever the hell it's s'posed to go. ;)
gooty64
16th September 2012, 03:38
I thought the forum might find it of interest.
Yes it's interesting, thank you.
Honestly it all sounds pretty nice but it also feels a bit hollow and chilly.
I would have said to her/him that the GFL is BS and that ascension is iffy but worth exploring.....welcome to Avalon forum.
Jules
16th September 2012, 04:03
Could someone please tell me what GFL is? :confused:
Galactic Federation of Light.
Thank you Norman. I thought it meant German Football League or Global Fight League. I don't watch much football, but I think there must have been reason why Bill made the decision.
enfoldedblue
16th September 2012, 04:59
Hi Bill,
While I totally agree with you re the whole GFL dodginess, and personally don't associate with the term ascension, I can't help but point out that the featured video on this website is Inelia Benz of Ascension 101. If I was an applying member at this point I would find this response somewhat confusing, especially if it had been the video that inspired me to aply for membership.
Inelia's definition of 'Ascension' is different: "Expansion of awareness".
That's a workable description of what's happening on the planet at the moment. It's nothing to do with anyone shifting into another dimension of existence.
I certainly agree there are different interpretations of ascension. I was merely pointing out that that because of this there could easily be some confusion, especially if one is new to the game and hasn't become versed in the different uses of the term. I guess for me it wasn't clear whether the use of the term ascension in an application was a problem, or just GFL version of ascension.
Thanks :)
dim
16th September 2012, 05:18
There's no real difference between ascension, as described by the GFL and taking responsibility as described by the Ego, both are illusionary
Mulder
16th September 2012, 05:21
This makes me more appreciative of being able to post on this forum & have access to the high level of expertise at Avalon!
ghostrider
16th September 2012, 05:55
Exactly spot on Bill, history is full of visits from star elders old spirits bringin the message and they somehow get elevated to deity and the teaching corrupted and masses enslaved . All along it rest with us taking responsibility for our actions to each other and the planet. We are the sickness, yet we are the cure. One day when we learn to love each other and work together and rid ourselves globally of greed , ego, and the quest for trinkets we just may be able to live in bliss and harmony with nature , and it just may FEEL like an acension.
Mu2143
16th September 2012, 06:29
Ascension does realy exist only your have not being told the truth about it how it works. People seems to forget that we are in a FALLEN state which means that energy being of who you are is not fully in to your body and your not using all of your power.
It requires a lot energy to be here in this physical body.The energy we need to get ascention REALY working is to graduate first (getting your 12th spiritual body) ,because then you can get back in to your body.
(Duncan Ofinioan also talked about how mutch energy an avergy souls puts out was equal to that of a nuclear power reactor)
Meaning the energy we require to get it up again needs to be here not outside of this realm.(But there real battle is in the spiritual realm)
I do not know if this a slow process or does of the first group that will graduate first and will get back in there body in a view days.
Think about it 7+ Billion souls on the planet and we are still this heavy in this 3th density realm?
I still have to see what is going to happen.
music
16th September 2012, 06:32
Hi Bill,
While I totally agree with you re the whole GFL dodginess, and personally don't associate with the term ascension, I can't help but point out that the featured video on this website is Inelia Benz of Ascension 101. If I was an applying member at this point I would find this response somewhat confusing, especially if it had been the video that inspired me to aply for membership.
Inelia's definition of 'Ascension' is different: "Expansion of awareness".
That's a workable description of what's happening on the planet at the moment. It's nothing to do with anyone shifting into another dimension of existence.
but she is also a proponent of the 'split earth' theory, correct? which includes, as i understand it, a separation of 'dark' and 'light' entities into different...well...if not 'dimensions' then what?:confused:
i was trying to probe her on this a bit before she disappeared but it was never explained to my satisfaction.
And it never will be. The idea of the seperation of light and dark is classic NWO subterfuge to disempower us. Anyone who exalts our light principle over our dark principle is either working the agenda, or has been misled by the agenda. Ascension, if it means anything at all, means coming into our power, which is the realisation of our true nature, which is the unification of the principles of light and dark within us (well, within the heartspace actually). The seperation of unity into the poles of light/dark, masc/fem, neg/pos, yin/yang, ida/pingala, etc., was necessary to construct the physical reality that we play in, but our goal is to re-unite, not to demonise and subjegate/slay one half of all that is. In demonising our darkness and denying, we offer ourselves up as slaves.
Oh, and let's clear something else up while we are at it - higher dimensionality is STILL part of physical existence, regardless of what we hear, read, hope.
chiki
16th September 2012, 07:37
in ref: to Vitalux
Quote: Could someone please tell me what GFL is?
I second this question Sorry but i'm new and havn't got my head around the acronyms of this forum yet.
and also by the looks me having to fix my post you would think it's new to me too! But no sadly just wasn't thinking! :eek: And this my first post on this forum and all!!
:confused:
bennycog
16th September 2012, 08:22
science, mathematical science i should say, is based on so much theory that it could be as Controversial as anything else.. the bible has the most support and it does not even have to have any evidence..
awareness expansion is a great idea.. the earth expanding is a great idea..
is it expanding more than we can catch up to it? my awareness is growing by the day, but i can only portray that by my own being and consciousness ..
being at avalon is essential to workshop ideas on how to see life in the way it was meant to be seen.. fruitful, accepting and overcoming obstacles along the way to UNITY..
the universal one i mean :) not the the controlled one..
Nanoo Nanoo
16th September 2012, 10:24
What! ! No ascention?
Aaah bugger! Hmm
What am i gonna do now, i was really looking forward to opening a space bar. . .
:....(
Daft Ada
16th September 2012, 11:06
An interesting thread indeed. Like some of you in the thread Ascension and the likes has never been my thing and when it appeared on the forum I just turned the page. I did spend considerable time reading about it when I first came across it, but I'm afraid I considered the posters had been watching too much stargate and that we had far more immediate and important truths to get out before giving consideration to it. I doesn't bother me whether believers in it are on the forum or not, they can have their own board which I will never visit, what bothers me is the members that feel they have to persecute them for their beliefs and cause trouble when they do post.
I can see Bill's actions are a way to avoid that on his forum, but if the members behaved as they should he wouldn't need to.
RunningDeer
16th September 2012, 11:31
in ref: to Vitalux
Quote: Could someone please tell me what GFL is?
I second this question Sorry but i'm new and havn't got my head around the acronyms of this forum yet.
and also by the looks me having to fix my post you would think it's new to me too! But no sadly just wasn't thinking! :eek: And this my first post on this forum and all!!
:confused:
Quote: Could someone please tell me what GFL is?
Welcome to Project Avalon, Chiki :wave:
For further information about GFL check out this thread @1hr:49 minutes. There is also a loose transcript you can read that goes along with it.
"Project Camelot: Interview with George Kavassilas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48854-Sacred-Knowledge-Of-Vibrations-And-The-Power-Of-Human-Emotion&p=542329&viewfull=1#post542329)" - Goal: We are getting out of Victimhood
Jenci
16th September 2012, 12:13
in ref: to Vitalux
Quote: Could someone please tell me what GFL is?
I second this question Sorry but i'm new and havn't got my head around the acronyms of this forum yet.
and also by the looks me having to fix my post you would think it's new to me too! But no sadly just wasn't thinking! :eek: And this my first post on this forum and all!!
:confused:
Quote: Could someone please tell me what GFL is?
Welcome to Project Avalon, Chiki :wave:
For further information about GFL check out this thread @1hr:49 minutes. There is also a loose transcript you can read that goes along with it.
"Project Camelot: Interview with George Kavassilas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48854-Sacred-Knowledge-Of-Vibrations-And-The-Power-Of-Human-Emotion&p=542329&viewfull=1#post542329)" - Goal: We are getting out of Victimhood
Hi Paula
George Kavassilas is regularly very vocal in speaking out against the Galactic Federation of Light but in doing so he absolutely confirms their existence to his listeners.
Hmmm.....you see how this works?......subtle.
Jeanette
Daft Ada
16th September 2012, 12:26
I don't understand that Jeanette, why does someone speaking out about something absolutely confirm it's existence? I can quite emphatically state that Father christmas does not exist and that Leprechauns are highly unlikely, so because I state that, does it mean they must exist then? Surely all it can mean is that someone feels so strongly about something and they are trying to convince others
RunningDeer
16th September 2012, 12:35
in ref: to Vitalux
Quote: Could someone please tell me what GFL is?
I second this question Sorry but i'm new and havn't got my head around the acronyms of this forum yet.
and also by the looks me having to fix my post you would think it's new to me too! But no sadly just wasn't thinking! :eek: And this my first post on this forum and all!!
:confused:
Quote: Could someone please tell me what GFL is?
Welcome to Project Avalon, Chiki :wave:
For further information about GFL check out this thread @1hr:49 minutes. There is also a loose transcript you can read that goes along with it.
"Project Camelot: Interview with George Kavassilas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48854-Sacred-Knowledge-Of-Vibrations-And-The-Power-Of-Human-Emotion&p=542329&viewfull=1#post542329)" - Goal: We are getting out of Victimhood
Hi Paula
George Kavassilas is regularly very vocal in speaking out against the Galactic Federation of Light but in doing so he absolutely confirms their existence to his listeners.
Hmmm.....you see how this works?......subtle.
Jeanette
Hi Jeanette,
Good point, but when the folks stuck on GFL hear how horrific the experience was for him, it clears a space to reconsider; and that others may be trickers.
In the end, the vid demonstrates to go within, experience our innate capacities, and be our own compass.
Peace,
Paula
UPDATE: George is undoing what he promoted early on. He use to speak of the GFL until he woke to what they are not. And in so doing, I do see that he's substituting one concept for an upgrade.
Jenci
16th September 2012, 12:37
I don't understand that Jeanette, why does someone speaking out about something absolutely confirm it's existence?
George himself says that they exist. He makes it very clear in his interviews.
I am also being very subtle here myself as to the significance of this :)
Jeanette
Daft Ada
16th September 2012, 12:48
ohh! I see, I have never listened to him as it's not something i'm in to, thanks for the info.
Bluewool
16th September 2012, 13:10
Does all seem rather pedantic! We can talk about ET's but not those supposedly claiming to be from the GFL and we can talk about awareness and maybe a shift in conciousness but not ascension.So it's all cool but just don't use those words!
Jenci
16th September 2012, 13:44
Hi Jeanette,
Good point, but when the folks stuck on GFL hear how horrific the experience was for him, it clears a space to reconsider; and that others may be trickers.
I suggest that the intention is that it appears this way when in fact those finding themselves disbelieving of the GFL are being led straight back into another belief system. Instead of dismissing the GFL as disfino, they have reinforced within them that they are real. Only now they are the trickers and bad guys and the good guys are the Galactic Council of Light....(IIRC the name that George uses)
In the end, the vid demonstrates to go within, experience our innate capacities, and be our own compass.
George gives out mixed messages. He is also talking about some of us going into the 5th dimension to a place of no illnesses, no disease, no disharmony and it will happen around about March 2013 - although at around 8 mins in video below George does say that it could either happen before or after that date ;) This is the same idea of a saviour or an event which is going to happen to save us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4sF6mq-Tns
source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4sF6mq-Tns
Meesh
16th September 2012, 14:09
Belief systems, whatever they may be, are just that-- beliefs. Now . . . experience. That's what I'm most interested in reading about. That holds the most sway for me.
RunningDeer
16th September 2012, 14:18
Does all seem rather pedantic! We can talk about ET's but not those supposedly claiming to be from the GFL and we can talk about awareness and maybe a shift in conciousness but not ascension.So it's all cool but just don't use those words!
It crossed my mind, too, Bluewool. What’s okay to talk about and what’s not? I’m not addressing freedom of speech. It’s the discovery process of sifting through all the information. I need to get from point A to point B by discovering the 1, 2, & 3’s.
There is so much to discern that open discussion is important. I never knew about ET’s, reptilians, remote viewing, archons, etc., until I watched Project Camelot vids and some others. I'd vacillate between wanting more and fear. I tried to block out all the nonsense, but that never lasted long. It was a 'synchronistic accident' that I discovered Project Avalon’s forum. I’d never been on one before. Shorty after, I was accepted as a member. Big gratitude, even more so these days.
Too naive about what others say, I’m now learning how to filter information and refine heart knowing of what’s false. The forum helped trigger recall and most importantly, how to put things in perspective. (though, still working on it.)
Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
Mark (Star Mariner)
16th September 2012, 14:29
I'm not so sure I completely agree with this. Whereas I think it a logical and sensible course to vet any applications of individuals seeking to preach ideals completely contrary to the Avalon mission 'brief', ie promote negative thought, hatred, ridicule... your basic internet troll, it may not necessarily be the case with this applicant.
Here is an opportunity for this person to integrate with the rest of this community, and learn more about the situation we face with propaganda and disinformation (like with GLF channeling)... to engage in a collective thought process and perhaps, you never know, arrive at a new level of understanding, a new conclusion.
I don't presume to overstep or tell the Mods their business, but to exclude this person completely seems a bit heavy-handed to me. Until such time it can be established that they are not openly trying to advocate or promote the GLF perhaps a provisional membership might be acceptable?
RunningDeer
16th September 2012, 14:56
Hi Jeanette,
Good point, but when the folks stuck on GFL hear how horrific the experience was for him, it clears a space to reconsider; and that others may be trickers.
I suggest that the intention is that it appears this way when in fact those finding themselves disbelieving of the GFL are being led straight back into another belief system. Instead of dismissing the GFL as disfino, they have reinforced within them that they are real. Only now they are the trickers and bad guys and the good guys are the Galactic Council of Light....(IIRC the name that George uses)
In the end, the vid demonstrates to go within, experience our innate capacities, and be our own compass.
George gives out mixed messages. He is also talking about some of us going into the 5th dimension to a place of no illnesses, no disease, no disharmony and it will happen around about March 2013 - although at around 8 mins in video below George does say that it could either happen before or after that date ;) This is the same idea of a saviour or an event which is going to happen to save us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4sF6mq-Tns
source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4sF6mq-Tns
Hi Jeanette,
I'm still figuring this all out, and you raise valid points. Whether it's 3D or 5D, I'm one of those that believes this world will be a place of Love.
There are two people on this thread that wanted to know what GFL meant. I posted the information for them to check out (just that ONE aspect) because he brings up NOT to get sucked into their illusions which for me was helpful.
I'm assuming that people are coming to know that the greatest message from all we've discussed on the forum and through other sources that there are NO saviors. We each take personal responsibility for ourselves. I am not promoting George's way. I am promoting the unlearning of one aspect that many hang on to about the GFL.
Peace,
Paula
Nanoo Nanoo
16th September 2012, 15:48
I don't understand that Jeanette, why does someone speaking out about something absolutely confirm it's existence? I can quite emphatically state that Father christmas does not exist and that Leprechauns are highly unlikely, so because I state that, does it mean they must exist then? Surely all it can mean is that someone feels so strongly about something and they are trying to convince others
Leprechauns do exist :-) you just havent seen them,
Have you ever seen a Liber Lark? Not many believe they exist because they havent seen one, but they doo :-)
Its the age old thing, seeing is believing. But when we deal with things of the ether its a whole new set of rules, or rather,there are no rules.
A lot of us here believe in a great many things. One thing that is wise is never to judge. Allow people to follow their path, who knows their path may have been right for them and yours for you :-)
No sarcasm intended in my words :-)
N
N
SKIBADABOMSKI
16th September 2012, 16:08
It's like the latest craze and thus people will study the alternative media and some will take it a hundred steps further and actually take everyone and themselves on a one way trip to an oblivion of dreams. Quite interesting but if I was in charge of the applications then I guess I'd be only allowing a few crackpots at a time.
Too many cooks spoil the broth..
gripreaper
16th September 2012, 16:10
My read on this whole thread, is that it is the extreme polarities of duality consciousness, both the dark and the light, which are discouraged here. It is the unification of these opposites which is encouraged, as in the logo: Where science and spirituality meet.
To me, that means that the synapses between the right and left hemispheres of the brain are wired completely and the masculine and feminine energy is in balance. It's not that we don't visit the extreme polarities, as we do ( Archonic aliens, Drake, Charles, Wilcock, etc.) on the negative side, as well as energetic techniques for ascension, expansion, righteousness (right use of energy) meditation, or the many tools and substances to enhance ones awareness (Ion's RNA drops, Ormus, philosophers stone) on the positive side.
We talk about psychic's, recommend the good ones, discuss our past life regressions, our out of body experiences, our alien abductions and possessions, how to unify polarized energies in our bodies, walk-ins, etc. All would agree here that there are many disincarnate beings out there, both positive and negative, as well as unified ascended beings. What is taboo? Not much.
It's the attachment to certain extremely polarized belief structures (religious fundamentalism), or the delivery of the messages based on those beliefs (harsh pounding over the head) which is discouraged and not tolerated. Sometimes when a thread breaks down and the mudslinging starts, the moderators will let it happen to a certain point, but when it gets hurtful, it seems they stop it.
Certain old memes which are deeply imbedded in our DNA, are difficult to let go of, so we can expect to clash and clank a bit while we strip off old beliefs and embrace a new paradigm.. None of us really knows what the new paradigm will look like, so we are like explorers. Explorations can be messy. That's just the way it is.
RMorgan
16th September 2012, 16:50
Hey folks,
I think Bill was quite right with his reply.
As he´s the director of this forum, it´s part of his role to help choosing a general direction for it.
It´s great to have people with different points of view here, so we can all learn different things from each other and have the opportunity to analyze certain subjects from different perspectives.
However, extremely different perspectives most of the time just create a lot of divergences that distract us from our main goal, which is figuring out what´s going on behind the curtains.
This forum is in great shape by now. Most of our members have achieved a somewhat definitive conclusion about certain polemic subjects, which includes the Galactic Federation of Light and the promise of a miraculous massive spiritual ascension.
For those who are not here long enough, such topics used to cause a lot of confusion and unhealthy debates.
Also, for a GFL fan, there are lots of other forums that are certainly more adequate to discuss such subject, where he/she could exchange perspectives with more like-minded persons.
Bill is a wise man. He knows that if we want to achieve solid conclusions here, we must gather as much like-minded persons as possible, trying to avoid excessive divergences, otherwise, we would just be moving in circles.
Also, new truth seekers are usually quite susceptible to swallow disinformation. They come here to try to figure out the truth, not to read nonsense. It´s nice to save them some time and free them from future frustrations by avoiding to go back to certain already established as nonsense topics.
Cheers,
Raf.
Mike
16th September 2012, 17:14
every time i come to this thread there's a million members, but no one is saying anything! someone say something already!:wink:
maintaining the balance of a forum is a delicate thing, and i can appreciate that. decisions have to be made to maintain that balance. i certainly don't want the forum to be over-run with GFL-ers or channellers, and i s'pose if you let 1 GFL enthusiast thru, you might as well let 2 thru; and if 2, why not 3....and so on. a line *has* to be drawn somewhere, and some will agree with that line and some won't. i'm honestly not sure where my line is, and i've tried to express that in my last post. but it's ultimately the decision of the mods or Bill, based on their opinion and judgement and experience, which, on the strength of their previous difficult or controversial decisions i've come to view as very sound.
but it seems to me that there is an element of double-standard here, which i feel compelled to point out. it doesn't mean that i necessarily disagree with the decision to not approve this members' application, as i might have done the same thing, but it's unearthed a few issues that i feel are deserving of discussion here.
tonius
16th September 2012, 17:35
While my opinion regarding the GFL and ascencion is the same as Bill's, in fact in goes further, i am a little bothered by the way this way of filtering new membership works.
It seems to me more like having a filter for the sake of having it, and in my opinion we can do better than that. The way this process works is based in the supposition that the person at the other side of the screen is sincere, and now that this comunication between Bill and the rejected person is made public, what was left of the efficacy of this filtering process is compromised, gone. why ? Because we should ask the question : What are we really saying to other nonregistered people , that if you are sincere but your view are different from ours we dont accept you, but if you manage to lie a little for the sake of being accepted than you have more chances to make it. I would prefer a sincere GFL and ascension admirer than someone who lies to ''get in''. Than if we decide this is the way we want to operate it doesn't make sense why already registered people,who are into GFL and ascension, aren't already banned. Give me a good reason for that, at least the rejected person deservs an answer.
So while i understand the difficult decisions Bill has to take, and we even have similar views regarding gfl and ascension , i dont agree with the way this filtering process is working, at least with the particular case that started this thread. While all the reasoning in Bill's answer could have come as well as from my ''mouth'', i am not ok at all with the ''MESSAGGE'' this way of handling things gives . I thought the basic request to avalon members was respect, and desire to search for the truth, and enjoy this process together.
Bill you have the right to do decide whatever you thing is more appropriate, but you know very well we have many respected members here, whose views are in the same direction as the person you rejected, and while i may not agree at all with what they think, i really enjoy having them in this forum, the more time passes the more i appreciate this, it reminds me that being together in respectful interaction is far more imortant that who ''got it right''.
This respect we can feel, prove , appreciate right here right now, gives ur real useful feedback on how capable of love we are , but what we think the bigger truth is , ascension yes or ascension not , gfl good or bad,..etc at the end of the day are just personal opinions that one day will be validated or dismissed , no winner's prize in this exept for the ego.
As the saing goes : it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, this filtering process is ''shoot at sight''. Its not effective at doing what it was created to do, than what's the point of having it,at least in this way.
Said that, i stiil understand that your responsability is bigger , maybe its too easy for me talking withought knowing details, my opinion is based on this thread and my personal experince when i joined avalon.
One
16th September 2012, 19:13
I agree with those who are concerned by this policy for a couple of reasons. Firstly there is the censorship. Where are do you draw the line? Who's next after the GFL? "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" (Voltaire).
Secondly how will the potential user start to understand the dangers of the GFL if they are excluded (assuming the consensus opinion is correct). There won't be a lot of education going on if we exclude those that need it most.
I think there is the tendency to go to others for confirmation, when at a deeper level the decision feels wrong. I notice this in me and wonder if all this really sits that well with Bill?
I am agreed that those with a subversive agenda or who are dispectful should be excluded. However, there are not many of us that can claim to have been completely correct all our lives. Should a mistaken belief (assuming such) mean exclusion? Again, if so, where is the line?
I do understand the difficulties in this area though. A difficult one to get right.
music
16th September 2012, 21:20
Belief systems, whatever they may be, are just that-- beliefs. Now . . . experience. That's what I'm most interested in reading about. That holds the most sway for me.
Experience? Let's say I have an experience. My experience is perceived by an array of sensual apparati that though similar to nearly everyone else's, still perceive in their own unique way. These persceptions are sent to my mind, where they are processed, yet that processing is influenced by everything that has ever happened to me, the good and the bad, that determine just what my "take" or "handle" on the world is. My mind will also filter out certain things which it doesn't relate to (or which it considers may cause trauma) if I'm not careful.To translate that experience to another, I use words that were not invented by myself, whose meaning I may or may not be in agreement with as far as convention is concerned. The other person, upon hearing my words, starts this process again. So by the time the second person believes they understand what my experience was, it is already, at the very least, 6 times removed from truth or actuality.
chiki
16th September 2012, 22:18
in ref: to Vitalux
Quote: Could someone please tell me what GFL is?
I second this question Sorry but i'm new and havn't got my head around the acronyms of this forum yet.
and also by the looks me having to fix my post you would think it's new to me too! But no sadly just wasn't thinking! :eek: And this my first post on this forum and all!!
:confused:
Quote: Could someone please tell me what GFL is?
Welcome to Project Avalon, Chiki :wave:
For further information about GFL check out this thread @1hr:49 minutes. There is also a loose transcript you can read that goes along with it.
"Project Camelot: Interview with George Kavassilas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48854-Sacred-Knowledge-Of-Vibrations-And-The-Power-Of-Human-Emotion&p=542329&viewfull=1#post542329)" - Goal: We are getting out of Victimhood
Thanks Whitecrowblackdeer,
I like how you say "We are getting out of Victimhood" that is what the world needs to do, That is what the next evolution of our planet with be move on from the "What about me"
That is what is holding back humans we all think that we have a "right" to everything but we don't earn it.
marielle
16th September 2012, 23:04
Anyone who has lurked here over the past few months should know better than to fill out the application with language of ascension, 5-dimension, etc. This forum has become downright hostile to those who voice those beliefs. No one knows what will happen, and I say that to those who are saying "we will ascend..." and to those who say "it won't happen--you are dreaming". You can't prove a negative. You don't know and I don't know.
What I do know is that in the last 7 years, I've gone from 911 conspiracy to hyper-inflation doom to pole shift prepper to the Law of One. Now I'm just going to follow my bliss. Tomorrow I'm taking my first pilot's lesson in Citabria (spell it backwards). I figure if I'm going to Ascend, it will be while I'm doing barrel roll at about 5000 feet AGL. See ya!
deridan
16th September 2012, 23:43
Could someone please tell me what GFL is? :confused:
....the GFL might be somebodies conception of a 'friendly to the mass populaces human needs -alien alliance'.
once upon a time, there was a journal called the phoenix journals (80's type genre thing..???), which said or indicated or shaded in, that spiritual beings, ...senanda's ..a jesus so to say in current evolution, were in charge of material assets like fleets which would fight negative alien entities.
(see, this is like a childs story way of explaining real factors, which don't always work that way, but whose results seem to come out that way)
{the person may be in a term of conviction which would be altered with more time or interaction}
as for the ascension story,
follow abit of astrology, andd see that it is nothing more than a fullfillment of those terms,(aberances, and seeming contradictions in term ...respect of working motors are merely placed elsewhere)
hey, anyone aware of the fact that all planets are in forward motion for a 3 month period,... 9,10,11 or 10,11,12
....from mere philosophical integrations, changing soul disposition or acsension or even splitting off may be decided on as logically needed imperitives though no way can be seen to affect them (..in a way we are praying beings so, the desire put out there is a step we have no expectation on, we'd even have to be shown later that a specific thing is an answer to a long needed imperitive......... but hey, why are melting pots needed? its just that people communicate too ineffectively,,,almost as groups chasing other groups, rather then people meeting and igniting in different parts of spirevolution) [n t n - o ime ow]
:laugh: edit add:
it strikes me,... the phrase where observance is made of the human specie,
is much like a mirror.
above the mirror, it says alien observing his human encounterlings.
below the mirror, it takes the whole of human social history, philosophers as speaking of the human condition.
say of mirrors. remember bills post once, ..anycase orion group was also entailed as perhaps a future part of us.
i remember a dream from that period,
i saw orions 3 stars, the 2 stars on the edge exploded to eight, and from one of these 16, a falling star hit earth...fire at that area,
in that dream i ...well i had more to deal with an emotional langering, this was an end part of the dream, my path took me in a different direction, and from that i felt the whatif factor, whatif i explored that star crash
Bill Ryan
17th September 2012, 00:45
Anyone who has lurked here over the past few months should know better than to fill out the application with language of ascension, 5-dimension, etc.
High quality replies to this thread -- many thanks, All. I mean that sincerely. They're much appreciated.
I singled out marielle's response above to reply to here because it'd be a misunderstanding to think that all someone has to do is mention Ascension or the GFL to be dismissed. That's not the case at all.
There are many factors to be taken into consideration: literacy, articulacy, background, the open-hearted way the person might express themselves, intelligence, research history, websites or blogs which they run, and their range of personal interests, achievements and aspirations.
Some applications really blow us away, and are lengthy, detailed and fascinating. I'd love to share some of them (but of course, we can't: not without the member's permission). Others are disappointing because of how thin the portait is that's been painted.
In the end it's all of this that we vote on, and rarely if ever do the mods significantly disagree. There is probably something like 80-90% unanimity. When one of the mods has an observation or a comment, it is posted. Each potential new member has their own thread in which their application is considered and discussed if necessary. (You never knew that!!)
One criterion that we often use is simply this: "From the way this person has presented themselves in this application, would we want to invite them to dinner at our house, looking forward to an interesting conversation?" If the answer is Yes, then they're in.
On occasions that an application simply doesn't contain enough information for us to get a feel of the potential new member, then we have a different reply which invites them to write back and say more about themselves. The response to that tells us plenty. Some applicants immediately respond with insults -- while others come back to us with an enlarged portrait of themselves which does them credit. In those cases, we almost always vote them in (GFL or not! :) ). The ones who respond with vitriol, we're pleased to delete. (And there are quite a few of those. Filtering these out in this way is one reason why the quality of the forum is so high.)
Tangri
17th September 2012, 01:57
I don't understand that Jeanette, why does someone speaking out about something absolutely confirm it's existence? I can quite emphatically state that Father christmas does not exist and that Leprechauns are highly unlikely, so because I state that, does it mean they must exist then? Surely all it can mean is that someone feels so strongly about something and they are trying to convince others
Daft Ada if you continuously talking about Father Christmas ,and Lerechouns you are in trouble in doing so he(You) absolutely confirm their existence to his listeners. :o
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I don't understand that Jeanette, why does someone speaking out about something absolutely confirm it's existence? I can quite emphatically state that Father christmas does not exist and that Leprechauns are highly unlikely, so because I state that, does it mean they must exist then? Surely all it can mean is that someone feels so strongly about something and they are trying to convince others
Leprechauns do exist :-) you just havent seen them,
Have you ever seen a Liber Lark? Not many believe they exist because they havent seen one, but they doo :-)
Its the age old thing, seeing is believing. But when we deal with things of the ether its a whole new set of rules, or rather,there are no rules.
A lot of us here believe in a great many things. One thing that is wise is never to judge. Allow people to follow their path, who knows their path may have been right for them and yours for you :-)
No sarcasm intended in my words :-)
N
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You should think of them but never mention their name in doing so you absolutely confirms their existence to his listeners.
Patrikas
17th September 2012, 02:58
I appreciate the message you shared with us, Bill. But what I do have to disagree is ascension. I don't think it is just New Age "fiction" and I firmly believe in it. Ascension and channeled messages seem to be the most controversial topics out there, even here in the alternative community. Saying that it ascension is fiction and it won't happen is your belief and opinion, but not the absolute truth (if there even is one). I find it a little disrespectful towards us who have that belief. None of us know what will eventually happen, there are just endless potentials.
It is truly a sad fact that many new agey types that" only talk it and do not walk it " have atrocasised the truth of ascension and what it really means and also true "trans channelling" and what it really is ......
there are also many with good intent with incorrect interpretation
we are all here together on this Earth for our own particular purpose as part of a much bigger purpose .....which noone knows fully
this is earths ascension earth the planet we live upon and that nurtures all life here .. earth the BEING that we all live upon
Ascension is not just for the human race it is for all consciousness here........including firstly the planet herself she herself by choice made that choice
we have our choices to make and our part to play
we are here for and as part of earths ascension and also for our own
\
as result of earths choice.... we are here to assist ourselves and others.. meaning people and other consciousness here and earth herself ..... she by conscious choice decided to go for HER ascension we along with all other consciousness have that opportunity also
many kingdoms of earth are in unity with creator and earth for ascension and they are all around us we can by choice and action assist them and they us
stay well
Eric J (Viking)
17th September 2012, 09:17
Can't see what the big fuss is about...
ET exists...we all know that...GFL is just another label...it's entirely up to you what you call them...its a problem which GFL group is the real one I suppose... in that case just discern the source and not the label attachment.
Again we all know that very soon we will have big big change as the current system cannot sustain itself in any shape...
Apply whatever label you want to what will be the inevitable change in consciousness and...call it what you wish ascension/a new paradigm/aquarian age/the new world..take your pick, it will be.
Words are just words expressed by others as to their perception of the coming changes...we all use different labels.
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
Finefeather
17th September 2012, 09:20
All you need to know about ascension is that if you live in a ground floor apartment, there is no chance for you.
Always seek apartments on higher floors and make sure you never sleepwalk.
The time will come when we will all live on the 6th floor and ground floor apartments will be a thing of the past.
Love you all :)
Ray
Bill Ryan
17th September 2012, 12:14
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
You clearly never read my post #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49830-A-personal-reply-to-someone-whose-membership-application-was-denied&p=554414&viewfull=1#post554414) above!
---->
Anyone who has lurked here over the past few months should know better than to fill out the application with language of ascension, 5-dimension, etc.
High quality replies to this thread -- many thanks, All. I mean that sincerely. They're much appreciated.
I singled out marielle's response above to reply to here because it'd be a misunderstanding to think that all someone has to do is mention Ascension or the GFL to be dismissed. That's not the case at all.
There are many factors to be taken into consideration: literacy, articulacy, background, the open-hearted way the person might express themselves, intelligence, research history, websites or blogs which they run, and their range of personal interests, achievements and aspirations.
Some applications really blow us away, and are lengthy, detailed and fascinating. I'd love to share some of them (but of course, we can't: not without the member's permission). Others are disappointing because of how thin the portait is that's been painted.
In the end it's all of this that we vote on, and rarely if ever do the mods significantly disagree. There is probably something like 80-90% unanimity. When one of the mods has an observation or a comment, it is posted. Each potential new member has their own thread in which their application is considered and discussed if necessary. (You never knew that!!)
One criterion that we often use is simply this: "From the way this person has presented themselves in this application, would we want to invite them to dinner at our house, looking forward to an interesting conversation?" If the answer is Yes, then they're in.
On occasions that an application simply doesn't contain enough information for us to get a feel of the potential new member, then we have a different reply which invites them to write back and say more about themselves. The response to that tells us plenty. Some applicants immediately respond with insults -- while others come back to us with an enlarged portrait of themselves which does them credit. In those cases, we almost always vote them in (GFL or not! :) ). The ones who respond with vitriol, we're pleased to delete. (And there are quite a few of those. Filtering these out in this way is one reason why the quality of the forum is so high.)
SilentFeathers
17th September 2012, 12:41
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
You clearly never read my post #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49830-A-personal-reply-to-someone-whose-membership-application-was-denied&p=554414&viewfull=1#post554414) above!
---->
Anyone who has lurked here over the past few months should know better than to fill out the application with language of ascension, 5-dimension, etc.
High quality replies to this thread -- many thanks, All. I mean that sincerely. They're much appreciated.
I singled out marielle's response above to reply to here because it'd be a misunderstanding to think that all someone has to do is mention Ascension or the GFL to be dismissed. That's not the case at all.
There are many factors to be taken into consideration: literacy, articulacy, background, the open-hearted way the person might express themselves, intelligence, research history, websites or blogs which they run, and their range of personal interests, achievements and aspirations.
Some applications really blow us away, and are lengthy, detailed and fascinating. I'd love to share some of them (but of course, we can't: not without the member's permission). Others are disappointing because of how thin the portait is that's been painted.
In the end it's all of this that we vote on, and rarely if ever do the mods significantly disagree. There is probably something like 80-90% unanimity. When one of the mods has an observation or a comment, it is posted. Each potential new member has their own thread in which their application is considered and discussed if necessary. (You never knew that!!)
One criterion that we often use is simply this: "From the way this person has presented themselves in this application, would we want to invite them to dinner at our house, looking forward to an interesting conversation?" If the answer is Yes, then they're in.
On occasions that an application simply doesn't contain enough information for us to get a feel of the potential new member, then we have a different reply which invites them to write back and say more about themselves. The response to that tells us plenty. Some applicants immediately respond with insults -- while others come back to us with an enlarged portrait of themselves which does them credit. In those cases, we almost always vote them in (GFL or not! :) ). The ones who respond with vitriol, we're pleased to delete. (And there are quite a few of those. Filtering these out in this way is one reason why the quality of the forum is so high.)
I see no reason for you to repeat yourself Bill or to engage with those who disagree with you. You made a judgment call in your mind to prevent this forum from becoming a place of nonsense by not allowing certain factors to dominate here......end of story.
Obviously you have more work to do :)
Bill Ryan
17th September 2012, 13:44
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Fred Steeves
17th September 2012, 14:05
Obviously you have more work to do :)
So do I, just ask the lovely Mrs. Steeves. http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif
Eric J (Viking)
17th September 2012, 14:12
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Why thank you Bill for pointing that out...you are correct...yes I wrote in haste...
Having said that, in support of other folk that suffer from dyslexia and are not tuned into perfect grammer for your liking, it doesn't mean they are less intelligent or aware.
One of my sons has dyslexia and the other has aspergers...they both have fine qualities!
viking
donk
17th September 2012, 14:21
Should a mistaken belief (assuming such) mean exclusion? Again, if so, where is the line?
I just wanted to chime in that I am surprised at how many posters felt this way from Bill's post. I may be completely off here, but I didn't get that at all, it seemed to me his point was more about "attachments to beliefs", rather than specific beliefs themselves. I felt he was trying to say that a good way to get rejected in the app process is to show you are a one-trick pony, who thinks that this forum is all about that one trick. It just so happens in this case that it is emotional trigger in some, they her "GFL" and "ascension" and rather than see the actual issue (which GFL/ascension are only the example he chose, it could have been ANY belief). Am I way off base here?
Also, I do enjoy this thread, having nearly forgotten the application process. I had made two ASSumptions, thinking one or the other must be true:
1. there were not that many applications to go through (or mods to look at them for that matter...I kinda jumped right in without lurking much), so it wasn't all that exclusionary (I figured only obviously illiterate, ignorant, obnoxious or agend-pushing folk got cut). It took being here for awhile to realize that it wasn't a mod pulled one from a queue, checked for any red flags, and only passed it on for further peer (and BR) consideration when it was "on the fence", so to speak. I assumed the wording in the intro and the actual questions and process of applying itself was a good enough filter...I stand corrected, and apologize--I had no idea the demand, I commend your (Bill and ALL who make this place special) work and am appreciative to be a part of it.
2. well, my second one I was originally thinking of is in that mess somewhere (I think #1 was that only one person read them, and #2 was that you're in if you aren't an obvious a-hole)...
...anyway--obviously (as evidenced by a majority of my posts) being able to form a coherent thought is not a deal-breaker on getting in. I can't imagine my answers to the questions were any different than this or any of my posts--just me vomitting on to the screen whatever is on my mind, in no particular order (you can print it if you feel like showing what that looks like in the application process, maybe making it educational on how you get IN...rather than focus on what keeps you out). I can say, I have been making it a point to let everyone I know that I hold no attachments to any belief, to me that makes for the most interesting conversations and makes life amazing no matter what--I have to think I got through in the app, probably...
In any case: I guess I was interesting enough to break bread with--if a financial miracle happens and my girlfriend and I can get down to Ecuador for her 20th reunion next year, we will look you up and see if your standard holds up ;)
Bill Ryan
17th September 2012, 14:29
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Why thank you Bill for pointing that out...you are correct...yes I wrote in haste...
Having said that, in support of other folk that suffer from dyslexia and are not tuned into perfect grammer for your liking, it doesn't mean they are less intelligent or aware.
One of my sons has dyslexia and the other has aspergers...they both have fine qualities!
viking
Thanks. I do really understand that. Of course, what I wrote was a rather bad joke. :)
When it comes to grammar and syntax, I can sometimes be a bit of a pedant (with myself, as well as others): a strength, which -- like all strengths! -- when overplayed, can become a weakness.
The point I was making was that all manner of criteria are considered when looking at a membership application. The most important one is probably the "Would I invite this person to dinner?" test.
But we do (among much else) look at how the person writes. One or two applications have been literally almost impossible to understand -- really. Some contain howlers which are quite unintentionally hilarious. Others, as I mentioned, are highly impressive works of art from clearly very exceptional people that we totally enjoy reading.
Bill Ryan
17th September 2012, 14:44
It seemed to me his point was more about "attachments to beliefs", rather than specific beliefs themselves. I felt he was trying to say that a good way to get rejected in the app process is to show you are a one-trick pony, who thinks that this forum is all about that one trick.
Thanks! That's 100% correct, and I couldn't possibly have said it better myself.
onawah
17th September 2012, 15:15
Some of the posts in this thread have expressed concern for the prospective member who might benefit from discussion on this forum about the value of information from the GFL.
I would suggest that there has already been so much discussion on this topic that if such a person were to read some of the old threads in the Channeled Info sub forum, they would get quite an education simply by doing that.
For those who may not be aware of it, PA was brought to a kind of crisis point by the number of GFL messages being recorded here, a bit like a virus that had gotten out of control, and it took quite a lot of time and energy by Mods and members alike who were aware of the many problems inherent, including the cult-like agendas of some of the GFL "channelers" to get the forum back on track again.
I for one would definitely not want to see PA have to go there again and am grateful that measures are being taken to prevent that.
EYES WIDE OPEN
17th September 2012, 15:31
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Why thank you Bill for pointing that out...you are correct...yes I wrote in haste...
Having said that, in support of other folk that suffer from dyslexia and are not tuned into perfect grammer for your liking, it doesn't mean they are less intelligent or aware.
One of my sons has dyslexia and the other has aspergers...they both have fine qualities!
viking
Fellow dyslexic here. :) Know what you mean. Would be nice to have perfect grammar all the time but some of us are just unable. Does not mean we are illiterate. :)
I will admit to being touchy about this as I have seen too many grammar nazis on other message boards only too willing to berate those of us who make the odd slip and cant help it. Anyway.... Back on topic.
Pam
17th September 2012, 15:36
First of all I would like to say that I appreciate Project Avalon very much. I am grateful to be a part of it.. however, .....I am disappointed to see that a prospective participant would be rejected for what you, Bill Ryan, do not believe in...this smacks of a sort of elitism that is so prevalent in everyday society. Would it not be better to allow the man the ability to participate in lively debate with others?....Are you searching for folks that have the same beliefs that you do? I don't know about anyone else but I learn most about myself by examining thoughts and concepts that I don't understand,or necessarily agree with ...sitting around with a bunch of like minded cronies may be comforting but if I wish to expand we must be willing to take it all in....If this person becomes verbally abusive, then he can leave..... I am surprised at the number of" atta Bill's you" received from forum members based on the fact that they do not believe in galactic federation or whatever the heck it is....Whether we like it or not each human being is entrusted with free will....let him believe whatever he wants..I have gone through a progression of beliefs through my life some of them seem absurd to me now,..they are like layers on a onion...one layer leads to another.. there is no place for elitism and exclusion for the sincere at heart in relation to the expansion of human consciousness.Also stated as a reason for his rejection is that he might not be greeted warmly for his beliefs and he might do better at another forum...Is that necessarily true that it is in his best interest that he have his beliefs reinforced and not challenged?????
There is also the tiny, eensy discomfort I feel for writing this...I don't want to be ejected from this forum for being disruptive...that is not my wish.I am no longer willing to be a bystander to that which I feel is unjust regardless of the consequences. pam
Bill Ryan
17th September 2012, 15:50
First of all I would like to say that I appreciate Project Avalon very much. I am grateful to be a part of it.. however, .....I am disappointed to see that a prospective participant would be rejected for what you, Bill Ryan, do not believe in...this smacks of a sort of elitism that is so prevalent in everyday society. Would it not be better to allow the man the ability to participate in lively debate with others?....Are you searching for folks that have the same beliefs that you do? I don't know about anyone else but I learn most about myself by examining thoughts and concepts that I don't understand,or necessarily agree with ...sitting around with a bunch of like minded cronies may be comforting but if I wish to expand we must be willing to take it all in....If this person becomes verbally abusive, then he can leave..... I am surprised at the number of" atta Bill's you" received from forum members based on the fact that they do not believe in galactic federation or whatever the heck it is....Whether we like it or not each human being is entrusted with free will....let him believe whatever he wants..I have gone through a progression of beliefs through my life some of them seem absurd to me now,..they are like layers on a onion...one layer leads to another.. there is no place for elitism and exclusion for the sincere at heart in relation to the expansion of human consciousness.Also stated as a reason for his rejection is that he might not be greeted warmly for his beliefs and he might do better at another forum...Is that necessarily true that it is in his best interest that he have his beliefs reinforced and not challenged?????
There is also the tiny, eensy discomfort I feel for writing this...I don't want to be ejected from this forum for being disruptive...that is not my wish.I am no longer willing to be a bystander to that which I feel is unjust regardless of the consequences. pam
No, it's not elitism. And this applicant was not rejected because of "what I (Bill) believe in". Please be more intelligent than that! I've been taking pains to explain the entire application process here. Please take as much time to understand this as I've spent presenting it.
Please read my post #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49830-A-personal-reply-to-someone-whose-membership-application-was-denied&p=554414&viewfull=1#post554414) on the previous page. (Again!)
Anyone who has lurked here over the past few months should know better than to fill out the application with language of ascension, 5-dimension, etc.
High quality replies to this thread -- many thanks, All. I mean that sincerely. They're much appreciated.
I singled out marielle's response above to reply to here because it'd be a misunderstanding to think that all someone has to do is mention Ascension or the GFL to be dismissed. That's not the case at all.
There are many factors to be taken into consideration: literacy, articulacy, background, the open-hearted way the person might express themselves, intelligence, research history, websites or blogs which they run, and their range of personal interests, achievements and aspirations.
Some applications really blow us away, and are lengthy, detailed and fascinating. I'd love to share some of them (but of course, we can't: not without the member's permission). Others are disappointing because of how thin the portait is that's been painted.
In the end it's all of this that we vote on, and rarely if ever do the mods significantly disagree. There is probably something like 80-90% unanimity. When one of the mods has an observation or a comment, it is posted. Each potential new member has their own thread in which their application is considered and discussed if necessary. (You never knew that!!)
One criterion that we often use is simply this: "From the way this person has presented themselves in this application, would we want to invite them to dinner at our house, looking forward to an interesting conversation?" If the answer is Yes, then they're in.
On occasions that an application simply doesn't contain enough information for us to get a feel of the potential new member, then we have a different reply which invites them to write back and say more about themselves. The response to that tells us plenty. Some applicants immediately respond with insults -- while others come back to us with an enlarged portrait of themselves which does them credit. In those cases, we almost always vote them in (GFL or not! :) ). The ones who respond with vitriol, we're pleased to delete. (And there are quite a few of those. Filtering these out in this way is one reason why the quality of the forum is so high.)
ulli
17th September 2012, 16:02
Thanks for this thread, Bill.
It shows the degree of delicacy with which you are managing your task as forum owner.
It really is a fine line that you have to tread (thread).
RunningDeer
17th September 2012, 17:25
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Why thank you Bill for pointing that out...you are correct...yes I wrote in haste...
Having said that, in support of other folk that suffer from dyslexia and are not tuned into perfect grammer for your liking, it doesn't mean they are less intelligent or aware.
One of my sons has dyslexia and the other has aspergers...they both have fine qualities!
viking
Me, too, Viking. I have challenges in some areas but also have strengths that compensate and balance. Which allows this observer a different and valuable perspective. Not better, just different.
I believe we all have differing degrees of communication challenges. People with strengths where mine are less have not had reason to understand the time and energy it takes to put pen to paper. (Just an observation, not a judgment.)
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
RunningDeer
17th September 2012, 17:56
“The ones who respond with vitriol,..."
First of all I would like to say that I appreciate Project Avalon very much. I am grateful to be a part of it.. however, .....I am disappointed to see that a prospective participant would be rejected for what you, Bill Ryan, do not believe in...this smacks of a sort of elitism that is so prevalent in everyday society. Would it not be better to allow the man the ability to participate in lively debate with others?....Are you searching for folks that have the same beliefs that you do? I don't know about anyone else but I learn most about myself by examining thoughts and concepts that I don't understand,or necessarily agree with ...sitting around with a bunch of like minded cronies may be comforting but if I wish to expand we must be willing to take it all in....If this person becomes verbally abusive, then he can leave..... I am surprised at the number of" atta Bill's you" received from forum members based on the fact that they do not believe in galactic federation or whatever the heck it is....Whether we like it or not each human being is entrusted with free will....let him believe whatever he wants..I have gone through a progression of beliefs through my life some of them seem absurd to me now,..they are like layers on a onion...one layer leads to another.. there is no place for elitism and exclusion for the sincere at heart in relation to the expansion of human consciousness.Also stated as a reason for his rejection is that he might not be greeted warmly for his beliefs and he might do better at another forum...Is that necessarily true that it is in his best interest that he have his beliefs reinforced and not challenged?????
There is also the tiny, eensy discomfort I feel for writing this...I don't want to be ejected from this forum for being disruptive...that is not my wish.I am no longer willing to be a bystander to that which I feel is unjust regardless of the consequences. pam
I commend the time and energy that Bill and all the Admins/Mods give to us. They make their job appear seamless. Without mentioning a name, I experienced first hand only a couple of weeks ago, someone that slipped by, but managed to show his/her true colors when a member and myself questioned what was posted.
In less than two hours, it ramped up to dark, dark threats and on his/her thread, my message board, PM's and on threads I began months back. It culminated with further promises of escalation of behaviors towards me.
All was handled swiftly, including follow up PM's from four Admins/Mods Peaches. :wave: I can only begin to imagine the work behind the scenes.
Respectfully submitted,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
lightseeker
17th September 2012, 18:14
Thank you Bill, for the post you sent. There was a time when the GFL had me enthralled. This site helped me a lot to see things differently. What I learned early on was to trust my own intuition and my heart. This i do every day through meditation. When I feel things are getting a little crazy, either in my personal life or planetary, I meditate, sometimes ask for answers to some tough questions. Surprise! I get answers, some of which I did not like regarding personal issues. Once I began to put by EGO in my back pocket, and listened to what I was receiving and my intuiton, Life took a turn for the better. This site and the wisdom of it membership have helped along with meditation to expand my own conciousness a lot. This is an ongoing journey. If assension is expansion of conciousness and awareness, then i feel very differently about who i am and was. This has and will continue to be an ongoing journey. All i need to know is within myself. It sounds trite, but when i opened myself up the infinite possibilities, I slowly began to realize that all of what we search for IS within us.
Thanks Bill and everybody else.
Daughter of Time
17th September 2012, 18:57
After nearly 100 posts on this thread, it has become very clear that Bill and the Mods give very careful consideration to every application. So how can anyone disagree with their decisions?
I recently read a post from a new member who said it took (if I remember correctly) four applications to be accepted! Obviously that person really wants to be here!
If an application is rejected and one truly wishes to become a member of this community, that person will try again, hopefully with respectfulness, more thoughtfulness, more mindfulness and more carefully conceived ideas to show that they would be an asset and not a detriment .
MalteseKnight
17th September 2012, 19:59
Hi All
I very rarely post ...and I think this occasion will be one of the rare exceptions. Well my first attempt to seek membership did not meet with success...Second time around the renewed application met with success. In the interim I had done some work in assisting to create some video productions...which were used to strengthen my fresh application ....Who knows, it could well be the case that the apparently 'unsuccessful' applicant has within him or her some as yet unpolished gems to share which will eventually assist in enlightening all of us in some aspect or other ...Everything happens for a reason ....
Regards from Sunny Malta:cool:
MalteseKnight
Mark
17th September 2012, 21:14
It is so hard to be a mod or admin. And it is generally a thankless job. Youre always going to upset someone. Youre not just thinking about yourself and what you like or believe you have to think about the health of the forum. The flow of the forum. You have to evaluate members based upon how you think theyll fit in, what they can contribute. How they can help the forum grow, become a stable, high energy space that can eventually maintain its pwn momentum without admin and moderation directing and guiding the flow.
When a forum starts out youll generally see that. Mods and Admins resurrecting threads, beginning and continuing conversations, posting up articles, beginning discussions. When you see that kind of stuff happening on a forum that has been around a while you know that forum is struggling.
Even considering the dramas that have engulfed this particular forum since I have been here it has never been in danger of dying. For those who have never been on a dying or dead forum the internet is littered with their carcasses. The reason why this particular forum is so vibrant though is exactly the reason so many other forums die.
A relatively light touch by Admin and moderation. For those who think it gets a bit heavy-handed here sometimes with decrees from on high and egocentric blustering from people in power positions I would submit to you that you may have never spent time on such a forum and seen what that really looks like and how quickly those kinds of leaders lose their membership.
Quality over quantity. There are numerous forums that address similar topics with no membership requirements. The free-for-all that occurs there is attractive for many who desire such no-holds-barred interactivity. But youll notice that PA has something those communities dont. A caring, loving body of people of diverse temperaments who share a comittment to knowledge and integrity. Those who are invited who communicate differently are welcomed but often find themselves hoisted by their own petards when the repreussions of their communication styles inevitably result in a general consensus understanding regarding intention and comportment. Like any body, groups, communities, even alternative ones, have their norms, standards and deviations that can be modeled and even predicted to an extent. Maintaining the balance is key. Making it seem easy and unobtrusive even when it isnt is where the exceptional forums go above and beyond.
music
17th September 2012, 21:32
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Why thank you Bill for pointing that out...you are correct...yes I wrote in haste...
Having said that, in support of other folk that suffer from dyslexia and are not tuned into perfect grammer for your liking, it doesn't mean they are less intelligent or aware.
One of my sons has dyslexia and the other has aspergers...they both have fine qualities!
viking
Thanks. I do really understand that. Of course, what I wrote was a rather bad joke. :)
When it comes to grammar and syntax, I can sometimes be a bit of a pedant (with myself, as well as others): a strength, which -- like all strengths! -- when overplayed, can become a weakness.
The point I was making was that all manner of criteria are considered when looking at a membership application. The most important one is probably the "Would I invite this person to dinner?" test.
But we do (among much else) look at how the person writes. One or two applications have been literally almost impossible to understand -- really. Some contain howlers which are quite unintentionally hilarious. Others, as I mentioned, are highly impressive works of art from clearly very exceptional people that we totally enjoy reading.
Viking and Bill, well handled exchange, an example of how to cut through the misunderstandings so easily gathered via this impersonal medium. Gold star for both of you :)
Edit: Someone told me the gold star remark sounded arrogant and patronising - definitely not intended. Just a joke to cut through the underlying tension. No offence guys, sorry if any was taken.
Dennis Leahy
18th September 2012, 02:34
Hi All
I very rarely post ...and I think this occasion will be one of the rare exceptions.
... has within him or her some as yet unpolished gems to share which will eventually assist in enlightening all of us in some aspect or other ...Everything happens for a reason ....
Regards from Sunny Malta:cool:
MalteseKnightHi MalteseKnight,
May I mention that almost all of the forum is available to guests. (Guests typically outnumber members reading threads.) So, the big reason to submit an application for membership is to interact with other members. I'd like to encourage you to post more. And I'd like to encourage other members that rarely post to post more frequently too. Of course, not posting just to post something, but I know that not posting at all can become a habit.
It makes the forum more lively and more diverse when a larger cross section of the membership offers their insights, opinions, and information on threads. There are such a wide variety of topics here - seems like anyone should be able to find a few interesting topics to comment on.
Dennis
Flash
18th September 2012, 03:32
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Why thank you Bill for pointing that out...you are correct...yes I wrote in haste...
Having said that, in support of other folk that suffer from dyslexia and are not tuned into perfect grammer for your liking, it doesn't mean they are less intelligent or aware.
One of my sons has dyslexia and the other has aspergers...they both have fine qualities!
viking
Me, too, Viking. I have challenges in some areas but also have strengths that compensate and balance. Which allows this observer a different and valuable perspective. Not better, just different.
I believe we all have differing degrees of communication challenges. People with strengths where mine are less have not had reason to understand the time and energy it takes to put pen to paper. (Just an observation, not a judgment.)
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
Me too I have challenges in English. I just discovered a new one from Anchor in another thread: "Wadding up a few panties".... You may as well speak French was my answer. How do you want a French to understand this meaning???? I often revised 2-3 times for grammar mistakes before posting and yet, I still find some awkward writings of mine, with my twisted English.
My daughter is dysphasic, which means that she had, throughout her young life, difficulties to process language. Yet, she writes gems with full of grammatical mistakes, both in English and French. But her efforts to be coherent and readable are multiplied by 10 when compared with a non neurologicallly impaired person.
Thanks Bill for the thorough explanations you are giving. It gives vision/direction to the forum as well as some spirit. And thanks for preventing us from being submitted to sales people tactics (GFL imo)
ENIGMAggie
18th September 2012, 03:39
Anyone who has lurked here over the past few months should know better than to fill out the application with language of ascension, 5-dimension, etc.
One criterion that we often use is simply this: "From the way this person has presented themselves in this application, would we want to invite them to dinner at our house, looking forward to an interesting conversation?" If the answer is Yes, then they're in.
Soooo, what time is dinner? I can bring dessert. I bake a mean brownie. :biggrin1:
Seriously, as a new member, I'm very honored to be here. Thanks Bill.
Meg
Carmody
18th September 2012, 06:25
After nearly 100 posts on this thread, it has become very clear that Bill and the Mods give very careful consideration to every application. So how can anyone disagree with their decisions?
I recently read a post from a new member who said it took (if I remember correctly) four applications to be accepted! Obviously that person really wants to be here!
If an application is rejected and one truly wishes to become a member of this community, that person will try again, hopefully with respectfulness, more thoughtfulness, more mindfulness and more carefully conceived ideas to show that they would be an asset and not a detriment .
As far as reasons, as Obi Wan Kenobi said, 'there is another' potential that need be considered, depending on who is applying.
In my case, it took 4 applications.
Three where somehow lost, and did not connect. AFAIK... at least two did not make it to the Avalon forum email address for applications.
Direct 'behind the scenes' interference? Yes..or No? hmmm.
lunaflare
18th September 2012, 07:40
We get accepted and rejected every day..."That's Life", as the saying goes. People, their responses and reactions, make up the game. We are all players and we ALWAYS have choice. Sure, sometimes there is deception (I am sure a list of bogus whistle-blowers could be compiled) and sometimes there are people who have no agenda other than conveying their truth.
Who can truly judge someone else's journey?
Maybe someone needs to get involved with GFL or Charles or this or that and then get uninvolved. We are all learning or unlearning at varying times in our lives. This is coming from the paradigm that Life is a series of experiences. Some are not so pleasant. And some are. I do believe we are here on earth to expand our awareness...to become more fully realized human beings. this may be called, "ascension". I am not sure the classifying word is so important.
So...at this point....acknowledging Bill's role in managing and directing this forum- members have made some excellent suggestions for the "applicant denied". You now have many options to explore!
Those that are deeply disconcerted with Bill's decision are not obliged to stay on this forum. Yes, we have choices that can recreate our realities...
thanks to all
so can we begin to move on now?
perhaps?
Tangri
18th September 2012, 14:28
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Wow !!
Chill Bill , I think you were having bad day .
Peace
Tangri
18th September 2012, 14:33
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Why thank you Bill for pointing that out...you are correct...yes I wrote in haste...
Having said that, in support of other folk that suffer from dyslexia and are not tuned into perfect grammer for your liking, it doesn't mean they are less intelligent or aware.
One of my sons has dyslexia and the other has aspergers...they both have fine qualities!
viking
Me, too, Viking. I have challenges in some areas but also have strengths that compensate and balance. Which allows this observer a different and valuable perspective. Not better, just different.
I believe we all have differing degrees of communication challenges. People with strengths where mine are less have not had reason to understand the time and energy it takes to put pen to paper. (Just an observation, not a judgment.)
WhiteCrowBlackDeer
Me too I have challenges in English. I just discovered a new one from Anchor in another thread: "Wadding up a few panties".... You may as well speak French was my answer. How do you want a French to understand this meaning???? I often revised 2-3 times for grammar mistakes before posting and yet, I still find some awkward writings of mine, with my twisted English.
My daughter is dysphasic, which means that she had, throughout her young life, difficulties to process language. Yet, she writes gems with full of grammatical mistakes, both in English and French. But her efforts to be coherent and readable are multiplied by 10 when compared with a non neurologicallly impaired person.
Thanks Bill for the thorough explanations you are giving. It gives vision/direction to the forum as well as some spirit. And thanks for preventing us from being submitted to sales people tactics (GFL imo)
I would like to take some words from my earlier post.
"It can go till religious, language, culture . Some one can say to a Muslim person
- you can not be accepted this society because some of our members think all Muslims are terrorist and cause you a THE rough ride may nonetheless be one which may be uncomfortable for you to experience
Or some one can say to a Jew person
- You may have a The rough ride because some of our members think Israel government wants to destroy Earth
Or some one can say
- your mother tong is not English and you might be misunderstood and mistreated by the members and ask you your origins. "
Haakon
18th September 2012, 23:25
Hello All!
I'm not the most active on this forum, but I appriciate it dearly. ALL of you that is :)
I know this is a biggie, but i ask the question anyway.
Where do this expansion of awareness take us?
If not into a new dimension, where ?
I don't like to use the word dimension myself, because I feel it makes confusion. Maybe because it stresses the logical thinking process.
I would like to know why it takes thousands of years to clean the planet? Isn't that a matter of technology? Which might already be(en) in the making?
Peace
RunningDeer
19th September 2012, 00:34
Hello All!
I'm not the most active on this forum, but I appriciate it dearly. ALL of you that is :)
I know this is a biggie, but i ask the question anyway.
Where do this expansion of awareness take us?
If not into a new dimension, where ?
I don't like to use the word dimension myself, because I feel it makes confusion. Maybe because it stresses the logical thinking process.
I would like to know why it takes thousands of years to clean the planet? Isn't that a matter of technology? Which might already be(en) in the making?
Peace
Hello Haakon,
You raised some good questions. I checked some of the other threads to see if you can pose your question(s) in either the General or Spiritual sections. It's hard to find the right fit because I don't know what the overall theme to your post is.
A suggestion would be to create your own thread if you can't find one that you can ask your questions on. These were the main points I picked out of your query: expansion of awareness, dimension, environmental management and technology. Maybe narrow it down or if your question isn't answered, try a second thread with your other choices. Good luck, I'll be watching for it (them).
Peace back to you,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer :wave:
UPDATE: On your question about, "Where does this expansion of awareness take us?" For me it brings me to a place of more peace within. Which in turn means I am able to see things in a different light, and from the larger perspective. Which in turn helps me to break free of judgements I may have on those that messed up things on the planet. Even work side by side with them one day.
Bill Ryan
19th September 2012, 01:46
IMO he/she should of been invited.
viking
I forgot to thank you for the above. Your post prompted me to ask the mods to screen all further applications from this moment to disqualify permanently any potential member who seems unable to differentiate between should have and should of.
Fortunately, your membership was accepted before this new rule, and so a moratorium will apply in your own case.
:)
Wow !!
Chill Bill , I think you were having bad day .
Peace
It was a joke -- offered to make a particular point.
:)
778 neighbour of some guy
19th September 2012, 08:14
The Op is an excellent public post and i am happy to see a that a post like that has its own thread so the person who aplied for membership can read it as well and learn from this, nearly every response is valuable so far and i would have loved to read one such as this in my pre membership time.
Thanx Bill and everybody else, that means members and guests/premember Avalon prowlers.
Snookie
20th September 2012, 20:15
Could someone please tell me what GFL is? :confused:
Galactic Federation of Light.
I looked for the acronym and the only thing that looked plausible was "Good F***ing Luck" so thanks for clearing that up!
Warlock
24th September 2012, 03:35
Better to get some kind of reply than to be left hanging out in the cold.
I'm still waiting for a reply from another forum that I'm trying to re-join, and it's been a few weeks.
All they need to do is tell me yes, or no.
Warlock :heh:
greywolf
29th September 2012, 15:53
well ime only a fledgling on this forum but i would like to point out that i for one am totaly at peace with anelia benze and one of the main reasons i applied to this forum was that i am an english farmer now living and working in cambodia .
i have had a 90% exact same path i work exactly the same way she does and was suprised to find anyone else like me as i have been working quietly for maybe 25 yrs now one of the things i was told by my source was i quote here !! we protect our assets until the appriate time i am now full time healing working in a public very open situation .
my feeling is that now is the time . we have the rallying call wake up ! wake up listen to the wind do not dwell on all that is heard only on the truth you feel within let that be your guiding light through this darkest hour for the dawn of a new age beckons.
Chris Gilbert
29th September 2012, 17:03
"Ascension", in the way that the term is usually used, is a New Age fiction -- a belief system of its own. Nothing of this kind will happen. We have to take responsibility for the mess we've created here over a period of thousands of years. The planet is in a poor state, and is on the verge of quite a degree of ruin. As I write this, we are in the middle of an enormous mass extinction of species. Many quite large areas of the world's oceans are almost devoid of life.
No-one is going to get us out of this situation except for us ourselves. It's part of our learning. We may or may not win that "game". That's what makes it a challenge. The outcome is not fixed. And no ETs are going to do this for us, although they are indirectly assisting in various ways.
This is our planet. Not anyone else's. Essentially, it's all about personal responsibility.
With my personal best wishes for your journey -- Bill Ryan
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My own thoughts are much the same, we won't "ascend" unless WE make it happen. External beings or celestial changes forcing us to ascend would violate freewill. While the world may be quite corrupt at present, the journey is still 80% of the fun.
webyourstuff
14th October 2012, 20:10
Umm.. Bill, I thought you were a supporter of Captain Bill Robertson? He was big on Galactic Federation, wasn't he? Is that the same thing as GFL?
webyourstuff
14th October 2012, 21:54
Ok, that (above) was intended facetiously. Something not clear.
Actually, I have a lot of respect for Captain Bill, tho I think his Galactic Federation stuff is strange.
I AM inclined to believe that all beliefs should be allowed here, tho the moderators do have the right to assert what topics are appropriate, and to enforce it.
I, personally, like to "suspend reality" while reading new ideas. That makes for a richer experience. Then, I consider what I have studied, accept some of it (maybe), reject some of it, and put the rest aside for fodder for when new similar stuff come along.
I don't accept everything said by your interviewees, I don't think you do either. But at least you grant them the courtesy and support to say what they have to say, and leave it to us to take what feels right to us from it. I appreciate that you do business this way.
konocti7
15th October 2012, 00:16
"No-one is going to get us out of this situation except for us ourselves. It's part of our learning. We may or may not win that "game". That's what makes it a challenge. The outcome is not fixed. And no ETs are going to do this for us, although they are indirectly assisting in various ways.
This is our planet. Not anyone else's. Essentially, it's all about personal responsibility."
---
The essential concept of what you wrote here is the very key. All of use have a certain awareness at any given time. We may want things to be better. But, the future outcome being changed from the current current of things is directly and only to be changed by our thoughts, out intentions and our actions. None of us at this time can just leave this mud ball spinning and moving through space and go play other games. This is our mud ball and we are the ones to make things better on it.
I appreciate the honest candor of your response.
ghettogether
29th October 2012, 06:03
Gmanlactic Fetteration of Lyres. They'll get you when you're dead, they want you to knwo it now, and they can drink you under the table but can't satisfy their wimmen. They bring out the side of me that likes to ride on the hottest day of the summer and forgets to shower. Wish I could play the Lyre as well as they can, but hell, a good banjo is louder and will get you thrown out of respectable company without having to ask!
Simon
8th November 2012, 16:24
Bill, as someone who is visited by a range of these Interdimensional enterties I have to say that I do agree with you - the Human people will have to make change happen, humans have to work together and remove governments that hold power through lies and false-hoods. I would warn against any humans accepting too much help from outsiders, some help will be good, but its a long hard road to saving this Earth and the little creatures that live with it.
Dancerrose
9th December 2012, 14:42
It’s a beautiful response. This is the only community that I have come across that cares enough to respond to applications - accepted or denied. I am honoured to be a part of this community.
mariangela
11th December 2012, 12:12
Hallo,
reading (a little later) Bills answer I just became quiet, thinking, feeling...
it is not easy to take this way, of changing with planet earth, but at least there was no other option, when the onliest thing we ask for is clearness: that was our first decision, before coming here.
Others are accompanying us, but never make our decisions, they only help us to be clear, just only that. And now there is much dust in the world...
Answers like yours Bill, can make the way for others also clear
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