View Full Version : A pan-European police body and possible army.

19th September 2012, 10:54
You can clearly see the introduction of ideas!
Who is this army going to suppress, who are the enemy?
Britain doth protest, me thinks too loudly!

]THE GUARDIAN news paper.

Updated 11.34 today.

EU heavyweights call for radical foreign and defence policy overhaul
Five of six biggest EU countries back plans which include pan-European foreign ministry and majority voting to bypass UK veto

Germany's foreign minister, Guido Westerwelle, who launched the EU proposals which include a pan-European police body and possible army. Photograph: Jean-Christophe Verhaegen/AFP/Getty Images
Ian Traynor in Brussels
guardian.co.uk, Tue 18 Sep 2012 17.09 BST

Five of the six biggest countries in the EU, excluding Britain, have called for a radical overhaul of European foreign and defence policies to create a powerful new pan-European foreign ministry, majority voting on common foreign policies to bypass a British veto, a possible European army, and a single market for EU defence industries.

The German-led push, supported by 11 of 27 EU countries, embraces recent calls in Berlin and Brussels for a directly elected European president, sweeping new powers for the European parliament, and further splitting of the EU by creating a new parliamentary sub-chamber for the 17 countries of the eurozone.

While the call for a European army was not supported by all 11, the document also calls for a new European police organisation to guard the union's external borders and for a single European visa.

Nine months of brainstorming over the future of Europe by the foreign ministers of the 11 countries, launched by Guido Westerwelle, the German foreign minister, has resulted in a 12-page document crammed with policy recommendations. It will prove hugely contentious and, if implemented, will increase the pressure on Britain to quit the EU.

"To make the EU into a real actor on the global scene we believe that we should in the long term introduce more majority decisions in the common foreign and security policy sphere, or at least prevent one single member state from being able to obstruct initiatives," the document said.

"Aim for a European defence policy with joint efforts regarding the defence industry (eg the creation of a single market for armament projects); for some members of the group this could eventually involve a European army."

The backers include Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Poland, five of the six biggest EU countries omitting Britain. The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Austria, Portugal and Luxembourg also signed up.

The recommendations include more incendiary steps, including a proposal to re-open and change European treaties by majority voting because getting consensus in a union of 27 or 28 has become too slow, acrimonious and unwieldy.

Apart from stiff resistance from Britain, which would veto a European army and refuse to take part in foreign policies with which it disagreed, the proposals are likely to prompt a turf war in the European commission because they would strip several departments of powers and resources, concentrating them in the EU's relatively new diplomatic service headed by Catherine Ashton, a Briton.

The document demanded a "substantial revision" of the powers of the European External Action Service by next year, streamlining it and giving it authority over development, energy, trade and enlargement currently vested in other parts of the commission. If realised, the changes would produce a European foreign ministry with much more muscle.

This was from four years ago.
Preparations for a European army

The Guardian, Wednesday 18 February 2009
The minister for Europe is convinced there are no plans for a European army (Letters, 17 February). In that case, why does the EU want an operational planning HQ and a commitment to "deploy 60,000 men in 60 days"? Why is it so keen to stick the EU badge on a succession of military operations? Why the panoply of EU structures to control these operations? Why is there a European Defence Agency and such an effort to create an EU defence industry and an EU defence procurement market? Why do we have a virtual European Defence College to promote an EU defence culture?

While contributing no additional military capabilities or adding any practical value, the EU has placed its institutional footprint on an increasing range of defence-related activities and wastefully duplicated a range of staff and decision-making structures already well established at Nato. While maintaining a pretence that everything was under our control, British diplomats have had to engage in a constant process of damage limitation in terms of our Nato and transatlantic relations. Notwithstanding the mistakes of the Bush administration, there is no doubt in my mind that the strategic interests of both Britain and Europe are best served by a revitalised Nato which binds the US and the European democracies. At a time of economic stringency and military overstretch, it makes no sense to divert resources into separate and duplicate EU institutions.

The next test will come in six weeks' time when Nato gathers for its 60th anniversary summit in Strasbourg/Kehl. The signs do not augur well. There is already the distraction of President Sarkozy's insistence on changing the seating arrangements; choreography designed to highlight France's place in the alliance; and a script setting out France's view of the relationship between the EU and Nato. The fact is, there is a determination to create what amounts to a European army.

Geoffrey Van Orden MEP
Conservative defence spokesman

19th September 2012, 11:38
We'll probably just end up with a bit of tinkering and a name change for Nato, after all the CFR & The Club of Rome are pretty much one and the same thing either side of the Atlantic.

19th September 2012, 13:19
I've just heard of the BBC radio that farmers, because of the draught in American...animal feed is more expensive....so the farmers cannot afford to feed their stock through the winter....so they are going to have to kill (cull) their live stock!

Which means less meat or more expensive meat...and natural fats, in the shops. Less natural fats will reduces our immune systems.

How's that for a chain reaction or the play out of ideas!

All these things are brought in so slowly that people do not notice, how they are being manipulated. And of course it is done via a pyramid system, so no one can join up the dots!

Oh! I forgot...It's down to carbon generated, tax generating, global warming!

19th September 2012, 15:07
I know pie'n'eal this is what has been predicted would happen by the likes of David Icke....Problem reaction sollution....

As you know there were all sorts of food mountains in the EEC and there is plenty of capacity to increase food production

if governments wanted !!