David Icke: do you trust him or not?

[davewhite04]

very curious as to how members on here think of this guy?

everything he does just seems to make more money for him, and everything he does is geared towards making money.

genuine or not

i think not purely being because even his site contains an advert on how to become rich, you have to pay to see the videos mind...

[Fred Steeves]

David Icke reminded me how to think on my own. I hope I get the chance one day, to softly shake his crippled hand, and say "thank you" in person.

Cheers,
Fred

[GloriousPoetry]

I've heard him speak on youtube and I'm never attracted to his words. I don't resonate with him and I don't really know why. Perhaps he's not genuine or deep enough for me in the right way. I can't pinpoint it. I just don't care to hear him talk.

GLORIA

[Bill Ryan]

very curious as to how members on here think of this guy?

everything he does just seems to make more money for him, and everything he does is geared towards making money.

genuine or not



1) Personal friend.
2) Yes, I trust him to a very high degree.
3) He is not interested in making money (apart from to continue his work and to continue to fight various ongoing court cases) -- and does not live an extravagant life in any way.

[indigopete]

What exactly do you mean by 'trust him' ?

His perspective on world affairs is that geopolitical power has been concentrated around certain family bloodlines for the last couple of millennia at least. I don't see how trust comes into it - just read a couple of his books like you would any other book and you'll probably concur with some stuff and not with other stuff.

As far as cash goes, he could probably have found a million easier ways to make a living than the one he's pursued up till now so I don't think you need to worry about it compromising his principles.

The fact is, whatever you think of him, he has paved the way for a generation of alternative thinkers and researchers. He's also been through one hell of a personal rollercoaster of a spiritual journey - all the more potent for being played out in public.

This was him in his previous life (starts at 1:25) which is pretty amazing because it's a good illustration of a human being's capacity for massive personal transformation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MsqkRcJnKc

Another one . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sNE20DjhLw&feature=related

Quite a good laugh those I always think. Specially since I remember being spellbound watching the snooker finals on those Sunday nights myself.

Petra

[sleepy]

very curious as to how members on here think of this guy?

everything he does just seems to make more money for him, and everything he does is geared towards making money.

genuine or not

i think not purely being because even his site contains an advert on how to become rich, you have to pay to see the videos mind...

David Icke. The rumors of his wealth debunked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P38WEHaWU

[Earth Angel]

yes I do trust him and I admire his efforts to get the word out in the face of absolute ridicule from an entire country....everything he does is to make money?? I would say that is a false statement......check his web site, there is all kinds of info and links there .......his books which are often 900 pages are only about $30 and his seminars are not expensive especially since instead of the usual 4 or 5 hours they are often 9 or 10....yes he has to eat and live somewhere just like the rest of us so there is a cost for his work.

[davewhite04]

I'm hoping for 2 sides of the story because of investment in time as well as money.

I've always followed him but not in any great depth. He is a very likable bloke and I'd love to have a pint with him, does he have answers... that you can confirm personally? I dunno... but he did say something once which immediately got my attention and it was his encounter with Ted Heath where Heath's eyes turned black. I have seen that exact thing happen, it wasn't Ted Heath it was simply a stranger.

He seemingly has opened some peoples eyes, so have you done anything since your eyes were opened?

[GaelVictor]

He is as real as they come, he's telling the truth as he sees it and has been an inspiration to me for a long time.

Highest regards for David Icke!

[Reaver]

In my view the guy is not in some dark agenda trying to misled the unworthy. I think some of his work is really good for people who are new to the alternative information field, but for people who want to get more serious and go deeper, they won't find much use on his work at such stage.

To be honest I find the lizard people theory to be an exaggeration and I certainly don't subscribe to the infinite love thing... sometimes I do feel the guy goes new age mode. Maybe he discarded that by now.

As for the money issue... yeah well is very hard to escape the grip of the system, so of course he has to make money somehow. I really don't care if he's rich... unless that someone proves that he is working for the power structure that we all seem to despise.

[GCS1103]

He seems like a fairly charismatic person and an interesting speaker, but I don't believe all the information that he presents. I feel that I learned something from him, but I think he goes a little overboard now.

[davewhite04]

very curious as to how members on here think of this guy?

everything he does just seems to make more money for him, and everything he does is geared towards making money.

genuine or not



1) Personal friend.
2) Yes, I trust him to a very high degree.
3) He is not interested in making money (apart from to continue his work and to continue to fight various ongoing court cases) -- and does not live an extravagant life in any way.

Hi Bill,

I'm not looking to discredit him, just wanting advice as there's so much garbage out there it's hard to know who to trust and who not to.

[davewhite04]

To be honest I find the lizard people theory to be an exaggeration and I certainly don't subscribe to the infinite love thing...



I do entertain his reptilian theory too, as I have experience of that. Love isn't going to do anything, I mean the only action is to do a love march or sit in a room at one with Love.

But maybe his Love theory etc. is pro-active or just a transformation of self, which wouldn't change the world, would it?

[Wind]

David Icke. The rumors of his wealth debunked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P38WEHaWU

This video proves that he certainly is not doing it for the money. I like his sense of humour.

[Vitalux]

In my humble opinion, I like and admire David Icke. :peace:

I believe, that he believes in what he says.

Beliefs evolve, and change as new information becomes available to us and we reconstruct our model of how we view our own reality of the universe around us.

I have noticed through the years, David Icke dors this as he learns new things.

Do I believe he has all the answers to the riddle of reality,... no.

However, I believe he is closer to the truth, than most of us are.
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[davewhite04]

David Icke. The rumors of his wealth debunked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P38WEHaWU

This video proves that he certainly is not doing it for the money. I like his sense of humour.

Excellent, he has loads of old light bulbs which made me chuckle as I do too :)

[Mike]

trust as it applies to people i don't know personally, sure. would i give him my bank account numbers? no. (though it *would* be entertaining watching him try to spend the -$13.67 i have in my checking acct at the moment.;))

there is a whole spectrum of trust -- it's a multidimensional word, like 'love'. i love pizza and i love my Mom. that whole bit. unfortunately, the english language is not nuanced enough to accomodate these discrepencies, and misunderstandings inevitably result. it's often why i try to discern the *spirit* in which certain things are written, opposed to what appears to be it's literal meaning.

David Icke is a good man. it's not easy to fake that kind of passion. and what has he gained through all of this? a stuffy one-bedroom apartment and nation-wide ridicule? not to mention the difficulty he must have in picking up mainstream women;)

[davewhite04]

However, I believe he is closer to the truth, than most of us are.
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Hi,

I'm interested how you think he is closer to the truth then most of us are?

Thanks

[gripreaper]

What about Eustice Mullins and Ezra Pound? What about Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, Michael Tellinger, Joseph Farrell, Graham Hancock, Richard Dolan, Neil Kramer, Ken Wilbur, Michael Cremo, Laura Eisenhower, Regina Meredith, Kerry Cassidy, Nassim Haramein, Eckart Tolle, Jim Marrs, Stewart Wilde, Bill Deagle, James Gilliland or Russel Means?

And what about Bill Cooper? Never forget that Bill Cooper gave his life to bring us the truth. I'll never forget him. He was the best.

[davewhite04]

David Icke is a good man.

I 100% agree with this.

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What about Eustice Mullins and Ezra Pound? What about Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, Michael Tellinger, Joseph Farrell, Graham Hancock, Richard Dolan, Neil Kramer, Ken Wilbur, Michael Cremo, Laura Eisenhower, Regina Meredith, Kerry Cassidy, Nassim Haramein, Eckart Tolle, Jim Marrs, Stewart Wilde, Bill Deagle, James Gilliland or Russel Means?

And what about Bill Cooper? Never forget that Bill Cooper gave his life to bring us the truth. I'll never forget him. He was the best.

Bill Cooper is an incredible loss to humanity in my opinion. Jordan Maxwell is 100% genuine in my opinion, I think he is a brilliant man.

[Bill Ryan]

genuine or not

i think not purely being because even his site contains an advert on how to become rich, you have to pay to see the videos mind...




David Icke is a good man.

I 100% agree with this.

Please explain how you can write these two contradictory posts -- separated by just one hour and ten minutes.

:)

[mahalall]

Any Avalon's fancy meeting up for a reflective curry after the Wembley Gig ?

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/70006-david-icke-global-awakening-the-next-stage-october-27th-2012


"David's unflinching and remarkable commitment to his cause has made life far easier for many who have come after him-including ourselves. We owe him our own vote of thanks..." Project Camelot as quoted from Human Race get off your Knees. The Lion Sleeps No More.

[Vitalux]

Hi,

I'm interested how you think he is closer to the truth then most of us are?

Thanks

My statement is based on deductive reasoning as well as spending a great deal of time watching his videos.
Although, I have not read any of his books, I find merit with his ideas.

But to answer your question with an easy answer, David Icke has a lot of time to ponder, and research what is reality.:chess:
This is his full time occupation has been for many many years.
David is not afraid to speak out and ask questions.

Most of us, are not full time reality researchers.
Most of us are too afraid to speak out or ask questions.
Most of our curiosity only extends are far as an Avalon Forum or browsing the internet.

[davewhite04]

genuine or not

i think not purely being because even his site contains an advert on how to become rich, you have to pay to see the videos mind...




David Icke is a good man.

I 100% agree with this.

Please explain how you can write these two contradictory posts -- separated by just one hour and ten minutes.

:)

I see your point. I'm just wondering if his work is genuinely useful or not.

You can still be a good person, and believe you're making a difference, doesn't mean his work is genuine. He thinks it is which doesn't make him a bad person, but it also doesn't make his work automatically genuine important information.

Can anyone direct me to more of his up to date videos on youtube please?

[davewhite04]

Hi,

I'm interested how you think he is closer to the truth then most of us are?

Thanks

My statement is based on deductive reasoning as well as spending a great deal of time watching his videos.
Although, I have not read any of his books, I find merit with his ideas.

But to answer your question with an easy answer, David Icke has a lot of time to ponder, and research what is reality.:chess:
This is his full time occupation has been for many many years.
David is not afraid to speak out and ask questions.

Most of us, are not full time reality researchers.
Most of us are too afraid to speak out or ask questions.
Most of our curiosity only extends are far as an Avalon Forum or browsing the internet.

I understand, thanks

[truth4me]

David Icke resonates with me and I watch his videos whenever I see a new one.

[RunningDeer]

I purchase David Icke's books because it's my way to say thank you for assisting me in waking up.
I will never understand how people question why someone should not get paid for their time, and energy?

These are some of my bulletin note on my desk top from one of his most recent vids:

-Rather than finding a solution to the problem…you remove the cause of the problem. (finger in boiling water: end flame by turning off gas or just lift finger out)

-They (archons) have no creative energy. They can't make things happen. We can manifest. What this manipulative force has done has programed humans to use that gift of manifestation to manifest what they (archons) want.

-Holographic Reality (we live in this conscious mind level) = Every part of the whole is a smaller version of the whole. Cut something into 4 parts and you don't get quarter portion, you get 4 smaller versions. Reflexology works because out body is holographic. Each bit is a smaller version of the whole body.

-This is why religion and science was created, to keep us in division and turmoil.

- REMOVE THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM (outside the matrix), CHANGE WHERE IT'S COMING FROM

-self identity I am an American - NO, that is your experience. What you are Infinite Awareness, all possibility, always was, always will be, having "that" experience. Don't self-identify.

-WHAT WE NEED: Open to let Higher Consciousness in. Clean slate. All preconceived ideas, beliefs, perceptions and realities set aside. What goes on that sheet of paper in terms of my perception of reality come from: information, innate knowing i.e., does it feel right, it's standing up on the basis of credible information and intuitive knowing.

- It's vibrating beyond the frequency of light. Energy way form. Energetic orange chakra vs. heart chakra which their energetic forms can't survive.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[davewhite04]

David Icke resonates with me and I watch his videos whenever I see a new one.

He has said things that no one else has, and it blew my mind when I first read it, that's why I always checkout his website now and again. It seemed strange having an advert telling you how you can get rich when the banks crash in 2012 on his homepage.

[Cartomancer]

I Trust him. I don't buy everything he says and I don't think that matters. If anyone researches any subject matter they are going to come up with some things certain people won't buy. That never stops me from appreciating what someone has to say. He is a voice of freedom loving people everywhere. He is a gifted speaker and has the personality get his point across. I don't begrudge the fact that he gets paid for what he does. Doing his thing takes a vast amount of time and planning, travel etc. You can't do that with no money.

David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, and Freeman helped me to understand occult symbology and methods. This alone will open your eyes eventually to what is going on. From there on its up to you.

[davewhite04]

I Trust him. I don't buy everything he says and I don't think that matters. If anyone researches any subject matter they are going to come up with some things certain people won't buy. That never stops me from appreciating what someone has to say. He is a voice of freedom loving people everywhere. He is a gifted speaker and has the personality get his point across. I don't begrudge the fact that he gets paid for what he does. Doing his thing takes a vast amount of time and planning, travel etc. You can't do that with no money.

David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, and Freeman helped me to understand occult symbology and methods. This alone will open your eyes eventually to what is going on. From there on its up to you.

I don't begrudge him making a living, everyone has to. But what message is he sending out when he advertises a guy who can make you rich when a bank crisis happens in 2012? Maybe it is just me, but it made me create a thread to see what others thought.

[cloud9]

David Icke is a pioneer in my book, as every one of us, he has his version of reality which I share to a certain point. I believe he's a good and sincere man.

[AriG]

He is without question, one of the most honest and decent people on the planet. I'd trust him with my life ( if need be)

[Carmody]

David Icke resonates with me and I watch his videos whenever I see a new one.

He has said things that no one else has, and it blew my mind when I first read it, that's why I always checkout his website now and again. It seemed strange having an advert telling you how you can get rich when the banks crash in 2012 on his homepage.

They are paying him to advertise there. oddly enough, just about zero of the people who go to his website would believe the advertized horsepucky. So David makes money off the advertiser's ignorance of David's customer base. Not David's problem....

Something has to finance his website.

You'd be surprised how much it costs to run a website like Avalon, here. Do you see any advertising?

for example I WISH PEOPLE WOULD CUT THEIR BEHAVIOR of re-posting big posts with complex linkage and imagery ....from the given post they are quoting. have some respect, folks. This stuff is not free, even though it is cheaper than it used to be. Data rates are going up, as costs come down, so it evens out that it is still expensive.

For example, all these folks who think they have to go to pirate sites and download High definition copies of every movie ever made. Each of them trying to do that. It's utterly ridiculous.

As for trusting David? I was introduced to his first published book, near the time it was published. I ignored it. I returned later on, about 5 books in for David. I'm aware of most of what he has ever published and I'd gladly pay to see him. If I was traveling to the UK, or anywhere in Europe, for that matter...I'd try and schedule the visit for one of his showings.

David is fearless... as he has to be.... as you need to be as in - yesterday.

In any battle like this, you tend to loose your best first, as they understand that they must hold the line, until the laggards wake up. pretty damn sad, if you ask me.

[RunningDeer]

"Project Avalon Video: David Icke and Jordan Maxwell in Conversation"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRTS-Zsd6ZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRTS-Zsd6ZM

Here are the rough notes.

- Vibrational quickening carries a new higher level of knowledge, awareness, understanding. Not only us but the whole universe is effected by the vibrational changed.

- It’s about some humans waking up to it. Called humans because we’re just consciousness, humans just a program on this planet, have come here, to play a major part in removing that (dark off world), by removing it’s vibrational blueprint. But these other forces in the unseen are gonna sort that overwhelmingly. And those within this reality are gonna play a part, with that level of awareness, in doing that. Because unless that is done, then the control system goes on, because that which has controlled up to this point will still go on controlling. But it’s not going to. It’s gonna have the shock of its life. Because, have the way I see it, it’s all I can say: the way I see it, but - they put humans in a box smaller than they’re in, so humans have a certain perspective. Not a very wide perspective. If you’re only there, and that’s where it’s meant to be from the control system point of view, then you have another level of awareness, which is the entities controlling. And from that level of awareness, the continuation and expansion of the control system is a done deal. They actually think it’s just gonna play out, they think they’re there, they think the game is over. But there’s another level of awareness which that - the control system level - cannot access; which has got a whole different outcome manifesting, and this level is impacting more and more into what we call human society. And somewhere, not a lot further along this road if you like, it’s gonna massively impact,this tipping point I’m talking about and the control system, which thinks it’s game over, is going to have the shock of its eternity.

- You know I’ve been through this whole last 20 years of my conscious awakening to this, and there have been times through the 1990’s and whatever, when I thought: What can we do about this? What’s it meaning? You know, you can’t see an answer to it. But I’ll tell you what: I’ve never been so totally sure that in my lifetime it’s coming down. Our kids and grandkids are not gonna live in an Orwellian fascist control system, they’re not. They’re gonna live out most of their lives in a world of potential, of expanded awareness. Because as the epoch changes it gets more and more that the Truth Vibrations will dominate awareness rather than the suppressed epoch we’re coming out of. And they’re gonna live out most of their ives, young people today, especially the very young, in what we would perceive in this epoch as a paradise, a utopia, compared - there will be challenges, but compared with... Yes. ...what we’ve come through. And we are real privileged people, and we’ve chosen well. When I say “we” I mean everyone in the world today who wants to play a part in this, because it’s just a choice. We’re at the cusp but we’re playing a part, and anyone can play a in this transformation. What a wonderful thing. What a wonderful thing, when we leave this body-computer, this genetic spacesuit, and we go back to where we’ve come from, in pure awareness. And we sit in the bar, and we think: Job well done! I’m glad I did that. And the worst thing that can happen to us when we are making this contribution, if we allow ourselves to decode it, is someone takes us out. Now, if someone takes us out, now what happens? My awareness leaves the limitation of the body lens, the body-computer, and expands into simultaneous awareness of All Tat is. Phew, dear, I’m terrified of that one! It’s the worst that can happen! And if we can just come from that perspective and, therefore, see that as the worst that can happen, then there are no limitations any more on what we will say and what we will do. We will do what we know to be right, we’ll say what we know to be right, and consequences can take are of themselves. Because in the end, we are saying, and we are doing, but we’re also creating the consequences of saying and doing...We have the power to control both! And when we realize that: game over, the other way.

- If we follow that quiet voice from within we see the game from source to sea. If we can’t, then we’re stuck in five-sense mind reality which can see the next turn on the river. So this is the challenge for us. If we can follow that intuitive knowing, like you clearly did by reflex action, (Jordan Maxwell story get out you are in danger) then we’ll never get into trouble. And if we do get into trouble, we’ll always get out of it, and this applies to everyone on the planet. But because intuition comes from a totally different level of awareness and perception of this reality, what it’s urging us to do often this (human) which is programmed from cradle to grave to see life as we’re programmed to see it - it’s going: “You can’t do that. You got us crazy. No, we can’t do that. What about ...” It lists all the reasons why you shouldn’t follow this (hand pointed to heart). If we do, not only will we be protected as we’ve talked about, but we’ll also be guided to fantastic amounts of information which are waiting for us if we follow that, that this is telling you: “You shouldn’t go there tomorrow. You’ve got an appointment...” But you do go and when you do, something is there which give you a massive insight that this (pointing to brain/reasoning) would have denied you had you gone with it. And most people because of the programming, are welded to this reality. And therefore they go round and round in this circular get up, watch TV... go to bed, get up. That’s what mind does. It loves this kind of repetition. Intuition: “flow”, intuition “flow” with higher levels of awareness. Source to sea, awareness.

- And suddenly when you do that, your life becomes incredibly synchronistic. Amazing coincidences and ... miracles happen. I mean, you know, we’ve all had experiences, haven’t we? And it’s open to everybody to do that, as long as you let the head intellect “serve” consciousness (hands by heart) instead of govern. The way I put it is, when you follow intuition, you live life. When you follow mind alone, life lives you, which is happens with most people. Yes. And so, you have access to this incredible library of knowledge, this incredible library of guidance, and it’s not the “chosen ones”. It’s those which are willing to open their minds to access that level of knowledge. It’s not a club. You don’t need a log-in code name. It’s sitting there, in the space that we are now experiencing. All we have to do is open up. It’s like I said earlier: instead of saying when’s the cavalry coming, when are we going to the ca val ry?

- Dark force, they are another level of this energetic playing out. You know, they are attached... I mean, we think we’re human and we... it’s just one species of existence within five-sense reality, but there are other non-human entities that can take other forms and are also subject to the choice between which of these energetic states, these consciousness state, are they going to choose? So, it’s all playing out. So when you say about... what I meant by a quiet voice, the quiet voice talks to you quietly, but when you are in trouble, like you appeared to have been, it can grab you by the bloody collar and launch you out there. You know, my feeling is, the more I kind of understand this, is this guidance of those that are playing a part in this transformation, it’s much more powerful than we realize, and it’s much closer to us than we realize. But we don’t really become totally aware of it until there is a panic station situation, and suddenly, “boom” it says: “This is going to happen.” Because it it was a case of we coming here to try to make a contribution, and then people trying to stop us can come up and go “Bang, bang, thank you very much”, “you know, mine’s the large one”, what’s the point of us coming? So there is a very, very powerful force which is there for those that have come to play a part, and at its most extreme, it can yank you out of a dangerous situation.

- What I’m saying that the base construct of everything is consciousness, and there is a changing of the guard in terms of the energetic state of awareness in this reality. We’re at this cusp. Of course, on one level, it’s pure energy, it’s pure awareness. But as it comes down the levels, that expresses itself in different ways. So on the human level, you’ve got people who are awakening, and people who are still closed. You’ve got people that want kindness and peace in the world, and you’ve got people that want to control and manipulate and exploit and parasite off. And one of these levels, it takes the other worldly level, which is of non-human entities, in this tussle for either control of this reality or benevolent protection of this reality. And they, too, are expressions of energetic epoch change. It’s just which level of it are we looking at. So what I’m saying about this military kind of battle (Jordan’s view) battle, if you like, is absolutely the same. Because on one level that is what’s happening, because it’s an expression this change. Because it’s expressing itself in so many different ways and that is one of them and it is fundamentally affecting this one, which is the human level, because of what’s going on there. What I’m saying is that because this energetic transformation, this expanded awareness is now coming in, as it becomes more powerful and the tipping point comes where the old epoch energy is replaced by the new epoch energy as the dominant on in the reality, then all these then all these different levels of malevolence, whether they be non-human, alien, or as we call them down into the parasite world, their day’s over. But it’s not over yet, and and like I say for a while, this is really gonna be challenging. There’s gonna be great upheavals, because we’re not in the new epoch. We’re at the cusp of the changeover, and this is the this is the most chaotic and difficult and most challenging. And so there are all these levels. We’re gonna see amazing things going on, and there’s definitely what you might call battles going on, on this non-human level. Absolutely.

- The black holes like the one in the center of this galaxy are vibrating the base vibrational state of this reality. But it’s not stable in the sense that it doesn’t just stay forever vibrating in the same way. It goes through a cycle, and so it goes through this vibrational cycle and eventually it comes back to the start. And in the play out holographic world, it kind of seems to take the form, because of the way we decode it, is what I call a Time Loop. It’s what the Asian, the Indian people call “yugas”. They’re different yugas. And as the black hole vibrate this base vibrational construct, this base vibrational foundation, it triggers information form the suns to be transmitted in the form of photons. Photon energy which is information. And the energy going through the acupuncture lines, the meridians, is photon energy, as we decode that information. The Earth’s energy grid has photon energy going through the grid, as the “earth” decodes that information. And as this vibration changes, and whoever created this virtual reality universe - in other words, this massively advanced computer game - they created this vibrational cycle. And as it goes through its cycle, the information coming from the suns in the photon energy changes, and so, and we’re decoding this change. So we go through periods of what the ancients call the Golden Age, when there’s massive expansion of awareness, and connection and harmony and all the rest of it; and then there are other periods where the energy, the information is much more suppressed and limited. And these different cycles go until it come back from the start and the whole thing starts again.

- So, consciousness... you know.... At the end of the day for me, when we are at the realm of consciousness, pure consciousness, we see this whole game completely different. We’re seeing it through the lens of what we call the physical body and there we’re seeing it a certain way, and it focuses our attention in the five-sense world which is when we look out of our eyes, or think we do, and see this world and it’s our base main prime sense of reality. But before we choose to come into, not that it’s necessarily in, but that ... get too detailed here - before we choose to come in, that level of choice is made by consciousness in awareness of itself. Disembodied awareness. When we come into this reality, we are trying to perceive why we’re here and why we would choose to be here, if people believe that’s what we do - I certainly do. We’re trying understand the choice through the limited lens of the body. A choice make when we were in a state of consciousness. It’s like the Oracle in “The Matrix” where she says: “You’ve not come here to make the choice. You’ve already made the choice. What you’ve come here to do is to understand “why” you made the choice” And so you’ll say to people: “Well, you know, there’s not someone on another level with an AK-47 saying “Get in that body or I shoot.” “You” chose to be here, so if you chose to be here, why did you choose to be here? And sometimes, we chose to come in certain parts of this changing epoch for really bi challenges which in an embodies sense, for one of a term, we’d go: “I chose to do this?” “You must be having a laugh!”

- And I feel that what this epoch change is that I’m talking about, in this vibration is now moving from one period of this time loop into another period of this time loop. And through this period of suppression, of what we would call darkness and limitation and control, a certain consciousness - because the base state was so applicable and supportive of it - has been dominant. But now as we go into another epoch of a greater expansion, the vibrational foundation of this reality is no longer, increasingly by the hour and by the day, supportive of that awareness consciousness in all its forms, whether it’s aliens in spaceships or whether it’s pure consciousness or whether it’s humans manipulating humans. It’s no longer supportive of that awareness. And as we move further and further through the cusp where there is a changeover and both are active like we are now, into where the new epoch energy will be the dominant one - as that has been up to this point - then that that which as been manipulating here, will not be able to manipulate there, because the energetic environment will not be in any way conducive to it. What we’ve got now, and this comes back to your point about this kind of military war going on, on the kind of “Star Wars” level of it - I absolutely agree with you - is that, because we’re in the changeover, this stuff is now.... we’re getting both, we’re getting both!

- And the tussle is on, because up to this point, what you call the dark forces, the manipulative controlling forces, they’ve been playing at home. They’ve been the dominant force. Now it ain’t happening any more, there’s somebody else is coming in, so we’ve got this war going on. And it’s not that this level of the benevolent alien has suddenly manifested and appeared for the first time - it’s been in existence all the way through this! - but it’s not been in a conducive energetic environment to impose itself on this reality. Now, increasingly it is, and so we’re now seeing the two and the tussle. But the tussle is a done deal because the energetic environment is no longer conducive to this. So something different must change. And that’s why what we call the future - which is not really the future, it’s just the changing energetic environment - is one that is going to be very different to this one. And yes there is a tussle going on, yes there is a battle going on, but the outcome’s a done deal.

- There're (dark forces) energetic preeminence through this period is now having the rug pulled from under them, because we’re going into a new energetic epoch. And these are very low vibrational entities. You know, they’re very clever but they have no wisdom. They have no wisdom, otherwise they wouldn’t do what they do, but they’re very, very clever, and cleverness without wisdom is the most destructive force you can come across, which is why they’ve very, very destructive. So they have been clever, and they’ve used technology and stuff... You know you can get very advanced technology in these intellectual states, but the intellectual state is a very low level of awareness, and as we’re moving into this new energetic epoch, their ability to dominate, as they have, that rug is being pulled from under them. But like I say, in this changeover, that tussle your talking about between those reptilian entities and those which are seeking to remove their control of humanity all this time, they are together in what we’d call a battle. But what I’m saying is that the outcome is a done deal.

- What I’m saying is that that war or battle is an “expression” of the consciousness epoch that is manifested, has manifest itself as these control freaks, reptilian entities. And the consciousness change that’s coming, this epoch energetic change that’s coming, that it manifests as those that “don’t” all want to control. And at the moment, because we’re on the cusp, we’ve got this battle, at the level. And it manifests down into the human experience as the Illuminati families, representatives of this reptilian control system, and those who are representative of the epoch energetic change.

- That is, if you like... I don’t want to battle with anyone, I don’t want to fight anyone - what you fight, you become - but using the terms that you are, and the things you’re using: that battle, “here”, is manifesting as a battle “here”, but the energetic change will eventually wash away that which are manifestations of the old energetic blueprint. And that’s why our kids and grandkids are not going to live in a fascist global state, although for a few years it is going to look like that, because we’re at the cusp and the ... They’re going to try fighting it, yes... control system is going to be kicking and spitting and trying to impose itself for the next few years. But, sorry guys: have a cup of tea, forget it, open your bloody minds, stop trying to control - because there’s nothing to worry about, because you’re infinite consciousness anyway and just get on the air bed and flow with the bloody new energy. Stop fighting, don’t be silly! You know... I don’t fear these entities. I feel for them. I feel for them. And imagine, imagine waking up in the morning and realizing that they’re still the, terrified of everything, terrified of their food source, terrified of their resource source. All dependent on humans staying asleep. And we ain’t staying asleep, vast numbers aren’t anyway. So they’re going to wake up and even more fearful, with every passing week, that their food source and their control system and their means is more and more under threat from an awakening humanity.

- I mean, beauty, rather you than me guys. Come and join us, let’s have a beer. Stop being so silly. That’s what I say. As people awaken and expand their consciousness and we go into this epoch, this expanded epoch, this higher vibrational epoch, then humanity is gonna be moving into vibrational states - more and more people are - where these vampires of the old epoch, they cannot make the connection anymore and they lose their power source. It’s an incredible change in the global, indeed the reality energy dynamic, from this to this, and it’s going to transform the reality that we now perceive into something extraordinary, incredible, amazing, for our children and grandchildren who will spend most of their lives enjoying.

(Jordan Maxwell, still talking about the bad on this planet.) Camera Man breaks in with: And you are from somewhere else as well. Most of the people watching this video are probably from somewhere else. The pawns in the world are the people who you have sometimes made reference to who don’t have a clue about what’s going on. But there are many who are realizing actually that they, too, are also from somewhere else, metaphorically or literally, and they’re the cavalry that we’ve been waiting for. We’re all here. The cavalry are already here. We just go to wake up.

Now back to David Icke: See, I think that the big picture is that we’re all from everywhere. You got this infinite consciousness, the infinite all, All That Is, has been and ever will be, ever can be. All Possibility. The silent all. Everything and nothing. Everywhere and nowhere. All Possibility. That’s the core of all of us. And as we experience these different cosmic games, we perceive - in increasing senses of limitation compared with he core of our being, All Possibility, what I call “Infinite Love” - we perceive ourselves to be from here, or from there, or from wherever. What planet do you come from? When actually, we’re everything that is, has been and ever will be. And that applies to the forces people call evil, it applies to the forces call good. The difference between those two is merely their “point of observation” of reality, at the point they’re observing.

- And it’s like - I don’t quote the Bible very much, I’m famous for it (chuckles), but -the prodigal son. The son goes out, causes this and he’s suppose to be a bad son; and the good son that doesn’t leave the father is the good son. But then the prodigal son come back, and the father welcomes him with the same love, affection, as he has for good son that staying with him, symbolically didn’t go out into the dark world, the dark level. And that’s what we’re playing. This cosmic game, which through the lenses of physical bodies, or what we perceive as physical bodies, it affects fundamentally our point of observation. And a reptilian in terrible fear of not surviving and therefore have to control everything, but I’m afraid of surviving and “all that stuff”, is a point of observation. Avery desperately, limited, dense, rather pathetic and more than that; sad point of observation of self in the world. But in the end, all will be gathered in. All will be gathered in. And that which is currently considered evil, and that which is currently considered good and enlightenment, eventually will remember that it is simply All Possibility having an experience. And the more you expand your consciousness and awareness to understand that “that” is what we are, the more your point of observation goes from the size of a pea

“I am Ethel Jones, I am a reptilian and I need to manipulate people” - to “I am All That is having an experience and I can have this experience”, but I “know” what is having the experience. I’ve not fallen for the Illusion that I “am” the experience. These reptilian entities think that they are their experience, that’s why they’re so limited and rather pathetic. They have manipulated humanity to believe they are their experience. What is happening as this epoch change goes on, is more and more people are remembering that they’re “not” their experience, that they are “having” an experience but what they are is something different. And as that shift takes place, there is a massive energetic shift takes place, and the ability of “that” level of awareness - the controlling system up to this point - to go on controlling ... house of cards is over. It’s gone, it’s gone. Can’t do it any more. And that’s what we’re experiencing. A fantastic time to be alive, by the way!

[davewhite04]

"Project Avalon Video: David Icke and Jordan Maxwell in Conversation"



Here are the rough notes.


Seen the video, interesting and enjoyable. Thanks for a great response :)

[RunningDeer]

trust as it applies to people i don't know personally, sure. would i give him my bank account numbers? no. (though it *would* be entertaining watching him try to spend the -$13.67 i have in my checking acct at the moment.;))



"hey guys, i had to briefly come out of semi-posting retirement to share this clip with you. i went to the bank today and actually had negative 10 dollars (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42360-Welcome-to-The-Pub-At-the-End-of-the-Universe.&p=506719&viewfull=1#post506719)(-$10.57 to be precise)…"

Not bad from, June 15, 2012. That's an average of about $1 a month. ($3.10 more in the hole today than the beginning of summer)

Just a non-stalking observation.http://forums.newtorrents.info/style_emoticons/default/rofl.gif

L,
Paula :wave:

[mosquito]

David Icke has done more than anyone alive to awaken people from their slumber. He has enormous courage and persistence and doesn't baulk at presenting the information as he sees it, right or wrong. How many of us have that courage ? I certainly don't.

Uniquely, most of his predictions have come to pass but perhaps not in the originally posited timeframe.

I don't necessarily believe everything he says, but then I don't believe every single word anyone says, even myself !!!

There's a big difference between his website, which strikes me as just another America-America site, and his interviews. Many a time I've found an interview online which has inspired me, and inidirectly it's how I found my way to Avalon (watched his Camelot interview and thought the bloke in the hat seemed genuine).

In short, he's a beacon, and there are many people attempting to fill his shoes, which I fear no-one ever will. If we haven't managed to save the future for our children within the next 20 years (I can't see David going on longer than that) then we are seriously screwed.

What I'd like to see is someone who has David's Passion and courage, tinged with some more, how can I put it, conventional analytical skills, pick up the torch and draw David's research together with modern scientific research. Someone like Graham Hancock springs to mind, or dare I say it ....... Bill Ryan.

[ThePythonicCow]

for example I WISH PEOPLE WOULD CUT THEIR BEHAVIOR of re-posting big posts with complex linkage and imagery ....from the given post they are quoting. have some respect, folks. This stuff is not free, even though it is cheaper than it used to be. Data rates are going up, as costs come down, so it evens out that it is still expensive.
Disk space is cheap enough - the space needed for the entire website, including multiple geographically distributed backups, costs perhaps a few hundred dollars per year. The compute power, web hosting services and network bandwidth also cost, of course, but are sold in sufficiently large increments that these costs are for all practical purposes constant, for any work load our forum is likely to generate.

The key expense I worry about is the mental bandwidth of forum members and readers. We strive to keep the forum content useful and interesting, in order that as many people as possible may find as much of value here, in various ways, as we are able.

[Carmody]

for example I WISH PEOPLE WOULD CUT THEIR BEHAVIOR of re-posting big posts with complex linkage and imagery ....from the given post they are quoting. have some respect, folks. This stuff is not free, even though it is cheaper than it used to be. Data rates are going up, as costs come down, so it evens out that it is still expensive.
Disk space is cheap enough - the space needed for the entire website, including multiple geographically distributed backups, costs perhaps a few hundred dollars per year. The compute power, web hosting services and network bandwidth also cost, of course, but are sold in sufficiently large increments that these costs are for all practical purposes constant, for any work load our forum is likely to generate.

The key expense I worry about is the mental bandwidth of forum members and readers. We strive to keep the forum content useful and interesting, in order that as many people as possible may find as much of value here, in various ways, as we are able.

Good, glad to hear that. I've seen some pretty high costs associated with websites, so their numbers must have been appreciably different than this one here. In one company, I had paid at least $50k toward the constantly evolving website and it's design. Now, to a large degree, someone else is benefiting from that cost and work. (mutter mutter, grumble grumble)

[Chip]

I've followed David's journey through the years and can relate to very similar spiritual circumstances that have happened to me in my life.
I am thankful for people like him. We truly won't know how important these brave souls are until later.
I'm glad I can see the importance now. In the days to come there will be plenty more David Ickes'.
Through the mass awakening the window is wide open.

[Carmody]

for example I WISH PEOPLE WOULD CUT THEIR BEHAVIOR of re-posting big posts with complex linkage and imagery ....from the given post they are quoting. have some respect, folks. This stuff is not free, even though it is cheaper than it used to be. Data rates are going up, as costs come down, so it evens out that it is still expensive.
Disk space is cheap enough - the space needed for the entire website, including multiple geographically distributed backups, costs perhaps a few hundred dollars per year. The compute power, web hosting services and network bandwidth also cost, of course, but are sold in sufficiently large increments that these costs are for all practical purposes constant, for any work load our forum is likely to generate.

The key expense I worry about is the mental bandwidth of forum members and readers. We strive to keep the forum content useful and interesting, in order that as many people as possible may find as much of value here, in various ways, as we are able.

Good, glad to hear that. I've seen some pretty high costs associated with websites, so their numbers must have been appreciably different than this one here.

In one company, I had paid at least $50k toward the constantly evolving website and it's design. Now, to a large degree, someone else is benefiting from that cost and work. (mutter mutter, grumble grumble)

[ThePythonicCow]

for example I WISH PEOPLE WOULD CUT THEIR BEHAVIOR of re-posting big posts with complex linkage and imagery ....from the given post they are quoting. have some respect, folks.
Ah - it wasn't until I read your comment that I realized just what you meant :).

The forum software doesn't make it easy for those who lack a "green thumb for computers" to efficiently quote the posts they are responding to.

Probably the single most common action I take as a moderator is to "trim nested quotes", editing down the size of quoted material in reply posts. I expect this will continue forever. Such is life.

[Carmody]

double post! hah!

(I'm so cheap, I'd give Hetty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetty_Green) a run for her money. OK. Only kidding.)

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I have seen stern, cemented minds crack open with his studies. He is a true journalist for the people that hits you with facts. I like how he pre-warns the audience when he's going into his new found stuff. He has certainly done his homework and has dedicated his entire being to doing this. He was chosen for the job and has delivered.

His books are better than his speeches and thats a huge compliment as I personally think he delivers fantastic information to a 'now' very curious crowd. He tends to have something for everyone in his talks and he is mastering how to present himself. The show at Wembley Stadium is going to be very eventful. (a piece of history)

You take what you want from him.

Thats what he's there for.

Ski-

[Carmody]

To make a point, the line about infinite consciousness, that David is speaking on these days.

That's pure Buddhism, in simple terms.

And over a billion souls understand and work under that premise, on this earth, at this time.

Is he wrong?

Don't think so.

For example, re-incarnation was in the bible --as was... (plural!!) GOD(S!!).

Both were removed.

[gripreaper]

I'm wondering why we need another David Icke thread, when, if you do an advanced search, you will find that there are 285 existing threads here at Avalon with the search term "David Icke" in the heading. God only knows how many would come up if you searched posts.

I'm also wondering, while looking at the "new threads" for today, that most of them are subjects which have been covered elsewhere, and that just today, there are around 25 new threads!

Is this a new phenomenon, to start a new thread with every thought?

[Carmody]

I'm wondering why we need another David Icke thread, when, if you do an advanced search, you will find that there are 285 existing threads here at Avalon with the search term "David Icke" in the heading. God only knows how many would come up if you searched posts.

I'm also wondering, while looking at the "new threads" for today, that most of them are subjects which have been covered elsewhere, and that just today, there are around 25 new threads!

Is this a new phenomenon, to start a new thread with every thought?

it is common for the ego in humans to think they are unique and in newness.... with the bizarre quandary, the cognitive dissonance.... of following others at the same time. the monkey is lazy,and only wants to sit in the tree and eat the low hanging fruit and fling poo at the leopards below.

The laziness is designed into the system, for the most part. A drive toward conservation of energies, a form of constantly moving toward efficiency, by the body, through the body. The base command root wiring, which all else is filtered through as series of fundamental and first tests and directives on all input and output. In most humans, unknowingly so.

The modern world has really turned a trick on these components of base instinct and primary filters.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Simply put, I trust myself, and I benefit and spiritually evolve directly and positively with each and every soul that I encounter, whether they are oriented more towards service to others or service to self. It is my choice to approach each soul I encounter in that aspect.

As for Icke individually, in terms of veracity, his past and present interview on Wogan, 1991/2006, sealed my opinion and affected me strongly. His tone, demeanor, and information resonates greatly with me. I would be honored to have a personal conversation with that cat!

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I'm wondering why we need another David Icke thread, when, if you do an advanced search, you will find that there are 285 existing threads here at Avalon with the search term "David Icke" in the heading. God only knows how many would come up if you searched posts.

I'm also wondering, while looking at the "new threads" for today, that most of them are subjects which have been covered elsewhere, and that just today, there are around 25 new threads!

Is this a new phenomenon, to start a new thread with every thought?

You never know...... WHen you visit the same thing twice, or multiple times, you find new caveats and nooks and crannies. Nothing is new under the sun, anyways..........

[ulli]

Probably the single most common action I take as a moderator is to "trim nested quotes", editing down the size of quoted material in reply posts. I expect this will continue forever. Such is life.

I promise I will be tidier, but its not as easily done on an iPad as on the laptop.

[Bill Ryan]

Disk space is cheap enough - the space needed for the entire website, including multiple geographically distributed backups, costs perhaps a few hundred dollars per year.

Actually, Avalon costs $270 per month ($3,240 per year).

David Icke's website, which includes his own forum, will certainly cost as much if not more.

[ThePythonicCow]

Actually, Avalon costs $270 per month ($3,240 per year).
I was probably a bit confusing in my earlier post.

I was including [A] the disk space cost, including remote backup disks that Ilie and I donate freely. I was excluding [B] the other web server costs for computer power, web hosting services and bandwidth.

On the other hand, Bill was including [B], but not [A].

We're saying the same thing, but like any two good accountants, finding different ways to say it :).

[SKAWF]

well, it was ickes stuff that woke me up.

do i trust him....... no.

no doubt, he was one of the first people who stood up....
but then he was involved with jordan maxwell prior to going solo.
thats not to say that i dont trust jordan maxwell. nor do i trust him.
i respect the fact that maxwell went through possibly hundreds of books while doing his research,
and the vibe i get from him when i listen to him, isnt malevolent.

i could sit and write out a statement, which is completely true.
but i could choose to omit a few details.
you would never know.

its difficult to nail exactly why i dont trust him.
in my inner world, its just a feeling.
i could examine it, and eventually, i would nail it (i'm trying to, as i write this)

basically, the problem i have is.....
and this isnt limited to icke.....

you could be told everything.
chains of events, the people behind it,
the historical aspect (going back many ages)
the nature of who and what we are,
the meaning of life
and everything else,

BUT

its all linked into an external construct

it keeps you looking outside of yourself
its like (and i apply this to the alt media scene in general)
the knowledge is a component part of the entire external construct.

contrast that with,

switching yourself off to all of it.

truthfully speaking,

i would ask anyone here, whether or not, they feel plugged into the alt scene?
and in that light, what makes the alt scene any different to any other external doctrine?

energy flows where attention goes.

so why doesnt icke point out the basic polar difference between focusing 'within', or outside of yourself?

ive watched most of his video's, and ive seen him live in brixton twice.
i like him, i support him.....

but i have reservations which prevent me from placing my trust in him.

who remembers the symbolism on his website before it was revamped....

an illuminati pyramid, with the all seeing eye!
that seemed like an odd symbol to use from a guy that talks so much about symbolism.

i wish him well.

[Mandala]

I like David Icke very much. I buy his books, I listen to his videos and I believe him to be a very good man.

[Mike]

I'm wondering why we need another David Icke thread, when, if you do an advanced search, you will find that there are 285 existing threads here at Avalon with the search term "David Icke" in the heading. God only knows how many would come up if you searched posts.

I'm also wondering, while looking at the "new threads" for today, that most of them are subjects which have been covered elsewhere, and that just today, there are around 25 new threads!

Is this a new phenomenon, to start a new thread with every thought?

it is common for the ego in humans to think they are unique and in newness.... with the bizarre quandary, the cognitive dissonance.... of following others at the same time. the monkey is lazy,and only wants to sit in the tree and eat the low hanging fruit and fling poo at the leopards below.

The laziness is designed into the system, for the most part. A drive toward conservation of energies, a form of constantly moving toward efficiency, by the body, through the body. The base command root wiring, which all else is filtered through as series of fundamental and first tests and directives on all input and output. In most humans, unknowingly so.

The modern world has really turned a trick on these components of base instinct and primary filters.


the laziness is designed into the system? phew! and here i've been blaming myself this whole time for dropping out of 3 colleges, gaining 20 lbs in the last 3 months and taking up vodka as a hobby:)

the Icke thread is redundant, and it's origins...er...confusing... but in the final analysis *everything* here is a rehash! some of it a little more rehash-y than the rest. the trick is to hide the taste, pour a little salt n pepper on it, a few spices, some butter, gravy......make it seem new.

life is a rehash. but like these threads, we participate anyway. why? i dunno...a new thread, perhaps?

[gripreaper]

the laziness is designed into the system? phew! and here i've been blaming myself this whole time for dropping out of 3 colleges, gaining 20 lbs in the last 3 months and taking up vodka as a hobby:)

That's probably not your fault. Were you abused as a child? Did your parents love you unconditionally? Did your teachers give you full support while you were growing up and nurture you while you were learning, with complete patience and warm hugs?

Do you have past lives where you did things which were polarized to the extreme negative, which is causing you to have to pay your karmic debt in this lifetime?

Or are you just an aberrant miscreant bent on being a curmudgeon?

At any rate, your probably a victim and are not responsible, so just sign up for any benefits and privileges you can from others and sit back and enjoy!

[we-R-one]

To be honest I find the lizard people theory to be an exaggeration and I certainly don't subscribe to the infinite love thing...



I do entertain his reptilian theory too, as I have experience of that. Love isn't going to do anything, I mean the only action is to do a love march or sit in a room at one with Love.

But maybe his Love theory etc. is pro-active or just a transformation of self, which wouldn't change the world, would it?

David Icke is dead on! You are missing a very key point if you skip his love concept. Heart-centered is the solution and actually I will be utilizing one of his videos in my solutions thread I'm putting together....David speaks of the Gnostic teachings where people use to be heart-centered......before the Illuminati took over.

You see we are at a point where our technology has surpassed spirituality, we've all heard that....the only solution left is heart-centered. I encourage you to investigate the science of being heart centered, the frequencies of love, compassion, and forgiveness....combine that with the science of holographic universe and you will understand better why David says what he says.

Thank you Mr. Icke from the center of my heart for re-affirming what I've known, but did not have the frame of reference or words to make the link. You helped solidify my case that heart-centered thought processes and concepts are the solutions and the science is there to prove it!

[Mike]

the laziness is designed into the system? phew! and here i've been blaming myself this whole time for dropping out of 3 colleges, gaining 20 lbs in the last 3 months and taking up vodka as a hobby:)

That's probably not your fault. Were you abused as a child? Did your parents love you unconditionally? Did your teachers give you full support while you were growing up and nurture you while you were learning, with complete patience and warm hugs?

Do you have past lives where you did things which were polarized to the extreme negative, which is causing you to have to pay your karmic debt in this lifetime?

Or are you just an aberrant miscreant bent on being a curmudgeon?

At any rate, your probably a victim and are not responsible, so just sign up for any benefits and privileges you can from others and sit back and enjoy!


Reaper, it's "you're" probably a victim and are not responsible... not "your". i normally wouldn't have pointed that out but since you're feeling so gleefully clever i'll take a little joy in bursting your bubble. how did you get 'curmudgeon' and 'miscreant' right and goof up 'your'? you were so close 'Reaper!

since i view no smiley faces here, i'll assume you were either being 'curmudgeony' or just going for a few cheap thanks, as i know how much recognition means to you here. i'm no pro, but i'll guess you were either abused as a child or didn't get the full support of your teachers and friends. *or* perhaps you suffered a past life as a guy on *another* forum who used deliberately flowery language to create an aura of intelligence to conceal a hopelessly transparent fragile ego. now, i'm no pro, as i said...these are just guesses. and in case you're wondering, i claim no psychic abilities whatsoever.

[we-R-one]

now, now....that's not very heart-centered you guys....lol
:boink:

[Mike]

well, i can't wait for you all night 'Reaper. this could have been fun!

you're still ok in my book, but you play nice now 'Reaper!

[Carmody]

Just in case anyone is wondering, in my experience Chinaski DOES have a sense of humour. Just don't leave yourself open..... :p

[gripreaper]

Reaper, it's "you're" probably a victim and are not responsible... not "your". i normally wouldn't have pointed that out but since you're feeling so gleefully clever i'll take a little joy in bursting your bubble. how did you get 'curmudgeon' and 'miscreant' right and goof up 'your'? you were so close 'Reaper!

since i view no smiley faces here, i'll assume you were either being 'curmudgeony' or just going for a few cheap thanks, as i know how much recognition means to you here. i'm no pro, but i'll guess you were either abused as a child or didn't get the full support of your teachers and friends. *or* perhaps you suffered a past life as a guy on *another* forum who used deliberately flowery language to create an aura of intelligence to conceal a hopelessly transparent fragile ego. now, i'm no pro, as i said...these are just guesses. and in case you're wondering, i claim no psychic abilities whatsoever.

Looks like you figured me out. I intentionally put that your in there instead of you're so that you would find it, as my mischievous nature, having been abused as a child, motivated me to do it. Now I could have been passive aggressive, and been a bit more subtle, but what's the fun in that? (insert emoticon here)

Now, I've still got tons of karma to burn off, so I better get busy!

[AwakeInADream]

Love not hate!. Simple. Whoever Icke is as a man, his message is more important and true than his personality on Earth. Where is the love here in this bickering? We are all brothers and sisters here.

No truth belong's to the messenger. It must first be separated before being tested in the heart.

The proof of the pudding....

[apokalypse]

at first David Icke doesn't connected with me through my journey to awakening but right now i'm in awakening stage after listen listen to few of his interviews alot of what he said is spot on especially with Problem-Reaction-Solution. i always talked about Problem-Reaction-Solution to everyone include people in Non-Mainstream not only looking at the problem which guys like Icke-Jones have telling us for long time but also thinking of the solution to prevent Problem-Reaction-Solution happening. i always said What kind of world do you want to live in? How do we get there? we all have the concept live in a Serve to Others society but the road with these bad guys whom trying to stop us...


David Icke is genuine guy and truly awake...i haven't watch his lecture yet but right now Icke is one of must added to my mp3 playlist.

[Cidersomerset]

Davids Mansion.....

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I have not read this thread as this is a quick look before i go to work....

As you all probably know I post any new David Icke & some old ones
I come across. He is one of the foremost alternate researchers imo.
I don't agree with everything, as he says its his iterpretation of his
findings and he connects the dots & presents the evidence as he
sees it. Which on the whole is spot on in most subjects imo..

He works harder than most in in the alternate comunity 12 -15hrs aday
and if he makes a little money to travel the world to research ....

Good on him !!!!! Cheers Steve...

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If I were a Rothschild .....Davids Arch nemesis !!.....

rUJcoWT_phQ

No language barrier here ...LOL...

[Mike]

Looks like you figured me out. I intentionally put that your in there instead of you're so that you would find it, as my mischievous nature, having been abused as a child, motivated me to do it. Now I could have been passive aggressive, and been a bit more subtle, but what's the fun in that? (insert emoticon here)

Now, I've still got tons of karma to burn off, so I better get busy!



you're one of my favorite people here, 'Reap. the last thing i want to do is have an argument with you. i feel lousy having written those things to you, but it sure looked like you were having a go at me you banana!:) i couldn't let you win, could I!?! eek, i s'pose i'm the one with the ego issues, eh?;)

truly sorry mate. truly.

[Ultima Thule]

One thing that ought to be considered every time one suspects a person of making money from books is this:

You print a thousand books, 300-500 pages, they might cost you around 10 USD a piece, then you have to sell them cheaper, let´s say at 20 USD a piece to big companies that do the biggest selling and on top of that you can sell them at 30 USD via your own webstore. Let´s say you manage to sell 700 of those 1000 books, making in average 15 USD of profit per book, amounting up to 10 500 USD of profit. Substract from that taxes, marketing expenses, VAT, costs of graphic design etc. etc.

Not much of a business - my figures might actually be quite optimistic... When printing bigger amounts you can come up with a bit bigger income, but we are definitely not talking about a gold mine here ;) The money vs hours spent at work ratio definitely is not good in this alternative genre.


UT

Edit: I trust David by the way

[Finefeather]

genuine or not

i think not purely being because even his site contains an advert on how to become rich, you have to pay to see the videos mind...




David Icke is a good man.

I 100% agree with this.

Please explain how you can write these two contradictory posts -- separated by just one hour and ten minutes.

:)

Is this living proof of the power of Avalon to enlighten ?!

Then on the other hand my daughter can change her mind in one sentence without even pausing for breath, never mind a brief encounter with Avalon :)

[kersley]

David Icke reminded me how to think on my own. I hope I get the chance one day, to softly shake his crippled hand, and say "thank you" in person.

Cheers,
Fred

Be careful how you shake his hand Fred, or they will call you a freemason..

[Buck]

Hey Paul thanks for the clarification here- I never realized this was an issue, will make adjustmts accordgly

[fathertedsmate]

my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,

[pugwash84]

He is not living in a big mansion or anything, he lives in a flat with a nice stock of old light bulbs because he doesn't trust the new ones. I would trust him because he hasn't given me any reason not to.

[Eram]

my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,

Sorry for going off topic here, but can you elaborate a bit about the shape of face and body to identify mercury and yeast,fungus and mould?
Just curious about it.

[bodosa]

If David Icke comes to my city, i will surely visit him. He is one of the guys whom i follow.

[RunningDeer]

Disk space is cheap enough - the space needed for the entire website, including multiple geographically distributed backups, costs perhaps a few hundred dollars per year.

Actually, Avalon costs $270 per month ($3,240 per year).

David Icke's website, which includes his own forum, will certainly cost as much if not more.

Thanks for posting, Bill.

It's important to have this information out there. It reminds me to use the "Please Donate" button.

When you consider time not traveled, gas not used, money not spent while out and about, ability to express brings greater mental and physical health, i.e, medications and doctors not used, not to mention a plethora of advice for mind, body, and spirit and the awesome conversations with a great bunch of People.

Now sliding my soap box back under the table... Hitting the “Donate Button” as my way of saying thank you, Bill. Thank you, Administrators and Mods. And thank you, great bunch of People.

Peace and Thanks,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer :wave:

[RunningDeer]

I'm wondering why we need another David Icke thread, Is this a new phenomenon, to start a new thread with every thought?

it is common for the ego in humans to think they are unique and in newness.... .

the laziness is designed into the system? phew! and here i've been blaming myself this whole time for dropping out of 3 colleges, gaining 20 lbs in the last 3 months and taking up vodka as a hobby:)

the Icke thread is redundant, and it's origins...er...confusing... but in the final analysis *everything* here is a rehash! some of it a little more rehash-y than the rest. the trick is to hide the taste, pour a little salt n pepper on it, a few spices, some butter, gravy......make it seem new.

life is a rehash. but like these threads, we participate anyway. why? i dunno...a new thread, perhaps?

Dearest Chinaski,

Butter and gravy will only add to the 20 lbs., less vodka paints the checking account balance from red to black, don't enter another college and you won't drop out. Problem, Reaction, Solution. Ta-da!
You know I love you, Chinaski. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/wet-kiss-smiley.gif?1292867699
Paula

PSS I'm channeling my inner jackovesk. :peace: And I'm liking it! :victory:




trust as it applies to people i don't know personally, sure. would i give him my bank account numbers? no. (though it *would* be entertaining watching him try to spend the -$13.67 i have in my checking acct at the moment.;))



"hey guys, i had to briefly come out of semi-posting retirement to share this clip with you. i went to the bank today and actually had negative 10 dollars (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42360-Welcome-to-The-Pub-At-the-End-of-the-Universe.&p=506719&viewfull=1#post506719)(-$10.57 to be precise)…"

Not bad from, June 15, 2012. That's an average of about $1 a month. ($3.10 more in the hole today than the beginning of summer)

Just a non-stalking observation.http://forums.newtorrents.info/style_emoticons/default/rofl.gif

L,
Paula :wave:

[Billy]

I like David and always have, Although i do not agree with some of his perception, Mainly his theory that our junk DNA is a negative program. I would say he just survives on his income and no more. He has the betterment of humanity at heart and that for me is all that matters.

I would love to sit down and chill with David for a few hours and Debate his DNA theory. My theory is that our 12 double helix system has been disconnected in our distant past
and we have been running on reserve for a long time.

David is a great guy. Bless him.

peace

[therinkydinktink]

Seems a nice guy IMO and certainly has the courage to stick by his guns. I haven't read any of his stuff but have earmarked some to do so in the future.

[EarthMan]

Hello davewhite04, referring to your original question I see no evidence of your claim.

We all have to function in this current "cash based" society, aren't people in the alternative media allowed to make a living as well?

David Icke comes across to me as a genuine person who is working very hard to disseminate the information he feels we (humanity) need to hear. What you do with that information is your choice, life is about choices and making up your own mind based on what you have learnt.

Sometimes you just have to pay if you want peoples knowledge "You pays your money you takes your choice" [Cockney speech recorded in Punch (a publication) in 1846].

[Chester]

Hi,

I'm interested how you think he is closer to the truth then most of us are?

Thanks

Simple - he lives his life as someone who actually got a clue - that is how you "judge" anyone if you feel you must.

Do you see the man afraid of anything?

He is my personal role model by the way, the one who really woke me up, and the one who taught me Frank Sinatra had it right in this song -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egY8rUpxqcE

No other conceivable measurement method is even in the same league as this one.

When one discovers the gift we are given IS life itself and that all the rest is simply the trappings of life, then you got a clue too. But, hey, what do i know anyways? justoneman

[Chester]

my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,

The last place to judge anyone is as you expressed above. That is like judging some poor bloke who got drafted into the Viet Nam war and came back with half his limbs. There happens to be a "war" going on for most on earth at this time. So the war happened to effect your body and his body. Does that mean you are unable to discover at some point who/what you are? If you did make that discovery does that mean you instantly transform into a perfectly formed (inside and out) physical example of a human being?

And if someone is brave enough to rise up and expose and risk their physical body... indeed their complete and total life experience such that their children (and perhaps yours as well) might not find themselves imprisoned within the goal of war - total control by an external force upon your own, personal entire life experience, wouldn't we might be a wee bit appreciative?

Now back to what you perceive about the man based on the current state of his physical body - Isn't it more about what you do, what you speak and write, what you think and the being behind all that?

Just wondering... justoneman

[Chester]

We are all here in this realm appearing as individuals. An individual must live in relationship with everything external to themselves. I used to think the wise man was also the holy man who lived external to everything we find going on in day to day life.

I measure an individual (if I choose to descend into that game) on how they live in relationship to everything external to them. Those who plunge head first into the deep end of life... those are the examples I find are the most inspiring, those are the ones who at the end of the day will know they in fact embraced life and feared none of the consequences of taking the risk of life.

[mosquito]

my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge...

You appear to be making a common mistake - assuming that a (60+ year old) man who has a less than perfect body is therefore spiritually not upto scratch. Naive is a polite word for your view.

FWI, I'm an experienced practitioner and student of alternative forms of medicine and have never in 20 years encountered anyone who's managed to REVERSE rheumatoid arthritis. If you have, or know anyone who has, please feel free to share with us.

Listen to the man rather than looking at his hands

[Patrish]

I trust him.

[Nerge]

For what it's worth, I feel that David is a great inspiration and is excellent at putting that crack in people's view of 'the Matrix' we're currently so focused on. He helps to connect the dots and allow people to see things from another perspective - he deserves much credit for all he's done and endured, many wouldn't be able to handle it, not even close.

Now I've read a couple of David's most recent books; I discovered them fairly late on, but nether the less I found them to be excellent and very throught provoking. While I'd already come across much of what he covers in those books from other sources - and from my own intuition - it was still a very useful read.

For those completely new to many of the topics covered in this forum, David's material is especially useful and serves as a great wake up call and catalyst for setting people on their way to do their own homework and form their own opinions.

I'm pretty sure David wouldn't want a bunch of mindless parrots repeating what he says and taking on his own perspective; as he mentions this in his books, it's his perspective he's giving and as such he admits he wont be accurate about everything but it's his best shot and what he feels and has put together over the years.

Much of what he talks about is to get people off their knees (as the book slogan mentions), realise their true potential, wake them up to what's going on and get them motivated to do something about it.

Now I'm not sure I agree with David's take on everything he mentions, but one thing is for sure, I'm sure glad we have people like David out there doing their best to help. :)

[72MAV27]

His book the biggest secret changed my life and pretty much single handedly put me on the path to greater enlightenment. With that said don't focus so much on the person. Try to listen to the information. There are plenty of "bad" people who give good info and "good" people who give bad info. It's hard to determine people's true intentions if you have never actually met them.

But in my humble opinion I think he is a pretty strait shooter and I think he really believes what he preaches. I don't think he is out to manipulate, confuse or lie to people.

But I do think there is something odd about him that he doesn't speak about. Maybe he is one of the reptilians he talks about! You never know. It's a crazy world!

[ljwheat]

David Icke is to the organized alterative community -- what Billy Grahm is to the organized religious groups.

The arena’s they fill are getting closer as Icke finds a greater audience. Like Grahm he’s gaining momentum now.

On a deep spiritual level, what is a human, a tightly packed Orb of spiritual energy. Complete in every conceivable way.

Needing no, external energy to exist. No organized religion alterative or other wise.

Looking at Icke, or Grahm, Pope, or Justin Beaver, Michel Jackson, Martin Luther King. The last two of many who paid the price of touching on spiritual truths to closely.

This begs the question what are these icons keeping your intention on, and away from the inner Orb of light and wisdom.

Sure there all right and have a lot of inside knowledge to tantalize even the skeptic’s holding the physical attention on the physical problems.

Never going near the OK ness of the spiritual well being, hidden by keeping the intention on the outside world around us.

A net as it were to catch all that fall into it. The stickyness of the web, is the chorizema, secrets, knowledge, rightness of the outside cause of the world and its needs, hunger, war, desires, poisons, sin, redemption, none of witch have anything to do with looking at the Orb of spiritual energy that we entered this world with. Higher self and self empowerment and to know nothing in this world can or has touched this thing called you.

The key note here is its about everything but you, YOU is left out unless they need you to do something, but its never looking in. You must look at Christ, Jesus or the reptilians, illuminati. Icke, Jones, Wilcock, the sticky of the web that hold your attention.

Michel had it right the man in the mirror. Instead of watching any one on TV, U-Tube, Internet. Go to your bath room and gaze at the one who came to this planet in the first place, gaze into the eye’s of the soul see or attempt to see this Orb of spiritual energy who you are. And ask the hard questions of the higher self that is who you are and can trust, not this outside trust we are asked do we or don’t we believe.

The answer’s were never out here, you brought them with you -- self empowerment and higher self is what the outside world is trying to keep you from doing, if you think you have to do anything. Know nothing can touch that orb of spirit you are. --- nothing. Its how we come and go, everything else is tripe. Physical. Distractions.

Trust nothing outside of your bath room mirror and the one looking in it is your higher self. Mirror gazing look at what the world has hidden from you. YOU. !

[Cartomancer]

I Trust him. I don't buy everything he says and I don't think that matters. If anyone researches any subject matter they are going to come up with some things certain people won't buy. That never stops me from appreciating what someone has to say. He is a voice of freedom loving people everywhere. He is a gifted speaker and has the personality get his point across. I don't begrudge the fact that he gets paid for what he does. Doing his thing takes a vast amount of time and planning, travel etc. You can't do that with no money.

David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, and Freeman helped me to understand occult symbology and methods. This alone will open your eyes eventually to what is going on. From there on its up to you.

I don't begrudge him making a living, everyone has to. But what message is he sending out when he advertises a guy who can make you rich when a bank crisis happens in 2012? Maybe it is just me, but it made me create a thread to see what others thought.

I see your point. That type of ad doesn't seem to jive with his message. I see some of the same type of ads over on the Alex Jones Channel and others. Maybe they should show a little more discernment in the type of ads that they show on their sites. I do see an attitude by some that it is not cool to make money off of alternative info. I give away most of the research I do for free but still catch flak from some for even having a book for sale. I do not post any advertising on my youtube channel or blog beyond my Zazzle panel or book sales. The Journal I publish has no ads either and will not in the future. No matter what you do there are people who aren't going to like it. Check out the other two I mentioned above. Jordan Maxwell deserves to be making the kind of money David Icke does. Freeman makes his way mostly by donations though he does sell DVD's and things like that. At least if they are selling a product they produced it o.k. to me.

[fathertedsmate]

my Naive veiw, comes from reversing, athritis,asthma,fibromyalgia,tinnitus,anxiety,stress,depression,ptsd,combat stress,and many more, this was done by removing heavy metals,chemicals, then discovering parasites,pathogens,yeast,fungus,mould,viruses, so they have/are being removed,this process reduced all excess body weight, ankles,knees,hips smooth and running free,hands that were buckled and twisted now straight,eyes that required glasses for 30 yrs, no longer require them, a memory that was disintegrated can now play any part of my past in full blown 3d colour
i did listen to the man, he helped me work things out,but not in a way you would understand, if someone is going to tell me how i work they need to be a perfect example,
no one said anything about being spiritually up to scratch, what i will say is when the cell structure is depleted, energy cannot flow, ps this 54 yr old will be fitter and healthier at 55 than he was at 25
i have no experience was educated by 2 creature that would fail an IQ test to gain entry into a trailor park ,was conditioned for 22 yrs in the military,spent 10 yrs in the hands of psyciatrists,
tried suicide on completion of plumbing cse,went to prison,eventually hiding in a bedroom for 2 yrs,
when i worked out the causes and provided evidence the system that has been created to deal with ptsd etc closed down around me then discharged me over the phone,
i can break my entire life from 5yrs old into 2,3,and 4 yr segments, and by observing behaviour and feelings created when looking at any incident, i can work out what combinations were present, what minerals were difficient, how acidic my body was,
as a plumber and heating engineer,i can visualise and follow electricity through each and every component in a boiler,understand how voltage is stepped up and down,how it changes from ac to dc, follow the gas being converted into energy and the process that takes place,what happens to the water and pipes as chemical reactions take place,how water turns to soup,how the pipes become thinner,effecting the flow and volume, which makes the process of converting fuel to energy inneficient, when the flow of energy is disrupted the machine stops, the body cannot do that it has to use whats avaliable, what happens then is what put me in the condition i was,
now every morning i plug into the matrix for 3/4 hrs, this is only happening because the sources and caused have been removed enough to allow the electrical circuits to be reconected(that alone took 18 months of practice and exploded into life only after removing a bin bag worth of calcium/plaque/kidney gall stones) also blew open the pineal gland,
i was broken into pieces physically and emotionaly,was controlled by,anger,hate,frustration,fear,tension,anxiety, speach was deliverd at 1000mph and made no sense,
i have had to watch everything i ever worked for disapear,every person i ever knew walk away including family, my children lost their father when needed the most my wife lost a husband and became a carer, it was like a self destruct button had been triggerd and i deliberatly set out to destroy everyone around me,now i know why,
if i had the money i would have looked outwards for help,if that happend i would not be in the position i am in now,
niave is the last thing i am,they were just questions, those questions triggerd the thought which created chemicals which were manifested in feelings/frequency,which will become visible through behaviour,reactions,actions etc, (which produced negative energy in your case mariposafe, dont ask me how,i dont know i just feel)at no time has any of the above been planned,my explanations come from reverse engineering after the event then joining the dots,what has been planned was removal of heavy metals,
its got nothing to do with a less than perfect body, its all got to do with why its in that condition,,now look at parasites from the inside instead of the outside,now you think you are clever until dealing with those babys, they are sitting inside playing with the electrical system the same way a child does with a playstation joy stick, only they are on speed,

[Bill Ryan]

my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,

Wow -- what an ignorant post!


if someone is going to tell me how i work they need to be a perfect example,So I guess you shouldn't read anything about astrophysics written by Steven Hawking. Or even listen to anything I say -- as I still have a slight stammer which affects me sometimes.

I confess to being "an imperfect example". And I imagine everyone on the forum is as well, including yourself. This does not disqualify us from teaching, learning, and traveling this journey together.

[Dr. Al]

I've seen David speak in person twice.
I've read most of his books.
I believe he speaks the truth to the best of his very well researched knowledge.
And with reference to making money: we still live in a world that requires it; he has been attacked on many fronts which has cost him a near fortune to defend; and as Bill Ryan already said, he does not live extravagantly...although that would in no way discredit him. Anyone working to enlighten others about TRUTH will face many difficulties. My hat is off to him and I hope we can all support him as he forges ahead on behalf of mankind!

[Eram]

FWI, I'm an experienced practitioner and student of alternative forms of medicine and have never in 20 years encountered anyone who's managed to REVERSE rheumatoid arthritis. If you have or know anyone who has, please feel free to share with us.


Hmmm... that is quite dream shattering to read Mariposafe.
Maybe I will be the first then? :P


Sorry, can't seem to stay on topic in this thread.

What where we discussing?
ah David Icke.

Well, I think he's one of the early days knights in the alternative media and he has earned his spores, double time.
Not that I listen to him without discernment, like I try to do with everyone.

Wonderful man and we ow him our deepest respect for taking the heat of ridicule and laughter that he did, to tell his truth nonetheless.

[pugwash84]

I am also far from being perfect, we all are but I believe imperfections are what make us human and beautiful.
David Icke took a huge step when he first did this and people mocked and laughed at him. I doubt it was money on his mind that made him push forward and keep going.
There have been a few Youtube videos to try discredit him but the proof I have seen so far has been tosh!
I have seen no reason not to believe him and I think anyone working hard to discredit someone working hard to get the truth out probably has an agenda themselves.

[ThePythonicCow]

my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,

Wow -- what an ignorant post!

If you read fathertedsmate's more recent post, made just a couple minutes before your post, things might make more sense.

Perhaps fathertedsmate was making a rather common mistake when speaking of David Icke ... namely figuring that Icke's circumstances, strengths and story resemble his own, fathertedsmate's, in some critical ways.

When fathertedsmate speaks of himself rather than of Icke, he makes more sense (to my reading.)

[Limor Wolf]

If it is o.k to recycle the David Icke, "is he a trustable person?" question that pops every once in a while, then I hope it is o.k to post a recycled answer :

My personal believe is that David Icke is one of the most advanced incarnated souls, I am very greateful for all the important work he is doing.

David Icke is a fine man and his name can be put under the definition of 'warrior' in the dictionary. I would even put him under 'A true warrior'. he has done SO MUCH over the years, waking people up, exposing plenty of corruptions including that of Holy greig, the abuse of so many children by the elite, he fought against children taken by police and social services from a perfectly good homes, he has a sharp understanding of how our mind and consciousness really works down to the smallest detail, and he can explain it in such an articulate way using linear words. I believe from all the above and more that that is one hell of a success!

Over the years he did not give in even once although being attacked from many directions, he is a very honest man who walks his talk, he not only speaks about love and unity but constantly promotes this very important understanding through his interviews, videos and by being who he is.

All the while he is coping with the Arthritis disease wich he hardly talks about.
David is absolutly walking his talk and fulfilling his calling this time around. We ought to be extremely thankful that we have such a man on our side. I truly admire him.

[Mark]

I have to admit I paid David Icke absolutely no serious attention until approximately 2 years ago. I always look in the New Age book sections in the big chain bookstores and have been seeing his books there for years. Picked one or two up, read the back, then put them right back down. Even though the topics he wrote about were exactly the kinds of things I was interested in.

Because he had nation-wide distribution in big chain bookstores, I automatically discounted him as a disinfoagent.

Then, two years ago, I remember doing a search in google for Africa and reptilians. One of my personal pet peeves in the consciousness movement is the almost total absence of traditional African wisdom spanning many thousands of years in the conversation. So I was searching for someone, anyone, who may have made some inroads in alleviating this discrepency.

And there was Credo Mutwah. With him, a much younger David Icke, obviously respectful, obviously grateful and obviously caring about this African Shaman of such self-deprecating manner. I watched the full 4 hours of Credos tale and realized how much of Ickes authenticity comes not only from his research but also from the corroboration of ancient systems of Shamanism. From Reptilians to Greys to the Moon.

Ickes bonafides are clearly established for me.

[Arrowwind]

my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,

I find it difficult, also, to understand why some people who do have such great knowledge do not particpate in their own physical healing. It is not hard to see the disease that travels through their bodies when you are skilled at looking and one can wonder how this affects them overall... BUT.... I have come to learn that there are souls here who bear the burden of many physical disorders yet their soul life is profound and still powerful and they have little interest for the material of their body and devote little energy to maintaining it as others think that perhaps they would do well to do.

Some have come with a different agenda and use their body only as a tool to get the task done and they will maintain the stamina to get the task done regardless of how things appear. That is where their focus and intent resides. We all have different works to do here. It is best to just let people be who they are and accept them in their totality... the good with the bad, their perfection with their imperfection. I am reminded of some very great and gifted spritual teachers that have died of cancer.

[seantimberwolf]

Yes, implicitly.
Is the short answer, I'm going to see him on October the 27th.
Am i mad about paying £60 for a show that is 12 hours long, and will be a mass gathering of like minds.
HELL no, why?
Because i believe the man is spreading a message, why does it matter if he gets paid. we all have to earn a living and David is able to market what he does.
That just makes him the same as everyone else, why try to make him sound like a criminal for earning a living!!
but i have always resonated with every word he says, and you know what, the man is passionate.
He gets into it, and he cares! how many new agers have come along with that "holier than thou" attitude and tried to sell us the BS about being from another planet and here to help us through a crystalline transmission- LMAO and David is in the wrong !! ha ha

I would love to meet him and speak to him, get him to sign my book, and walk away being able to say
"i met the man who helped to open my mind"
Because David was the doorman at Hotel Di Truth for me!

[Cidersomerset]

I posted this thread a week or so ago as a reminder of what is going on today !!

David is a ordinary guy like you and me who woke up earlier than most publicly
and is trying to wake up the 'sheeple' ...There is still relatively a few of us i would
say fully awake, but thanks to people like David many more are waking up !!

David Icke - The EU Dictatorship - Never Was Meant To Be a 'Democracy' - 22 Oct 2009



David explained the EU , Rothchild, Zionist agenda a couple of years ago,
on Red Ice its probably been posted before although did not come up
on check....I just watched it again so thought it worth a refresher !!

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[fathertedsmate]

ignorant Bill, you of all people should be able to understand where i am coming from, i was taken to David Icke a few yrs ago because my son was calling me by his name, this was because no one could understand where i was coming from,the answers i needed were the difference between life and death, every avenue for help had been exausted,it was avaliable whilst accepting PTSD. the question asked was why,the answers are all to do with emotions feelings,
example, sinuses closed for yrs,clear flem constant,constant cough every morning,mouth breathing only,breathing stopping during night,roof of mouth itchy/ulsers 10 yrs to get into that condition,asthma diagnosed,
on getting possitive proof of mercury/lead etc, then analysing changes that occured after cleaning out every internal organ/gi tract/intestines etc,went about removing metals, sinuses cleared,breathing sorted,
my diagnoses, my lungs were under attack 24/7 from mercury,silver,palladium and 9 others caused by 6 gold plates containing 7 different toxic metals being added to a mouth with 4 amalgam fillings which created a constant chemical reaction, the liver was working 24/7 as was every other organ fighting to operate at a sustainable level, the imune system was closing down my sinuses to protect me from the amount of aluminium and barium that was constantly being added to the mix,flem was produced to coat the toxins,lungs were operating like a hoover bag that was full, oxygen was not getting into the blood,which was like soup,the brain required energy there was none,residual oxygenated stress was taking place,the cells were depleted electrical circuits closed/destroyed,metals had ensured the imune system was functioning 24/7, , the blood ph was permenantly acidic, calcium was being removed from bone structure to balance blood(snapped ankle for no reason) ph,then distributed throughout the joint and muscle structure creating another toxic metal that then links to others a situation the body has tried to avoid, this is asylum territory

whilst you mention Steven Hawkins, clean out his internal organs,remove yeast,fungus,mould, get the blood alkaline then watch the information flow.

i just wanted to know why someone who has all this knowledge doesnt apply it to self, nothing personal not meant to be offensive in anyway shape or form,

[Limor Wolf]

Hello Fathertedsmate, I feel for you. It must be difficult to deal with the pains of the body when no one really understands how it feels. all those toxins, lungs blockage, throat aches. I do hear you... The pain is not yet over if you ask me since an emotional pain is still felt from you. One needs decency and quite a lot of empathy to understand what another might be going through, by your own remarks on David Icke and the one above on Bill Ryan, it is a little surprising that someone with your own experience not fully understanding another's pains. Please don't take it as criticism but know this :

Much more is lying on David Icke's shoulders than meets the eye. This man is a living defense shield as well as an informer and a messanger, his life is at risk. this is why it feels a little strange when people are relating to his outer appearence and to his state of health. let me quote you in your own words - you of all people should be able to understand where he is coming from.

Be well!

Limor

[Finefeather]

With regard to disease and the more enlightened man I have had the opportunity of viewing the etheric energy body of quite a few different types of people.
The more that a person is enlightened, and I use this word, here, as in when a person comes into incarnation with a higher vibration due to his/her level of spiritual attainment, the more prone he/she can be to disease, and I use this word as in the burning of the physical cell structure, due to higher energy levels flowing through the body in the form of kundalini.
When kundalini is active in a more powerful way than just the normal flow due to evolution, it can cause things like cancers and many other serious illnesses.
As an example I would say that David Icke has an excess flow in his lower chakra area which governs the adrenal process. This can cause things like arthritis and skin blotches and even blistering. The interesting thing about this lower chakra is that it is responsible for our will to self preservation, and courage is a result of one of it's positive qualities, something which David is sure not lacking.
I thought I would also just mention the problem Bill mentioned about stammering. This condition is a direct result of a blockage in the parathyroid or thyroid function, it manifests due to lack of iodine in some cases but actually from the flow of energy into and out of the throat chakra. This often also happens when we fail to express ourselves in the correct manner by not saying what we should say and holding back when you should be expressing some direct information to another person.

So when I look at David Icke I see an advanced spiritual being trying his best to make the most out of a physical body which is not always able to handle the kind of forces which flow through those who are here for a specific task. In the ancient writings there is a lot of warnings about the destructive potential of the kundalini energy and the many problems it can cause.
Diseases like cancers of the breast, gonads, pancreas, kidneys, etc are all a result of energy blockage and due to kundalini and many can never be cured for reasons more complicated than orthodox medicine believes right now.


edit: added - 'and' in blue, corrected sentence after jaybee pointed out my mistake - thanks jaybee

[Kristin]

With regard to disease and the more enlightened man I have had the opportunity of viewing the etheric energy body of quite a few different types of people.
The more that a person is enlightened, and I use this word, here, as in when a person comes into incarnation with a higher vibration due to his/her level of spiritual attainment, the more prone he/she can be to disease, and I use this word as in the burning of the physical cell structure, due to higher energy levels flowing through the body in the form of kundalini.
When kundalini is active in a more powerful way than just the normal flow due to evolution, it can cause things like cancers and many other serious illnesses.
As an example I would say that David Icke has an excess flow in his lower chakra area which governs the adrenal process. This can cause things like arthritis and skin blotches and even blistering. The interesting thing about this lower chakra is that it is responsible for our will to self preservation, and courage is a result of one of it's positive qualities, something which David is sure not lacking.
I thought I would also just mention the problem Bill mentioned about stammering. This condition is a direct result of a blockage in the parathyroid or thyroid function, it manifests due to lack of iodine in some cases but actually from the flow of energy into and out of the throat chakra. This often also happens when we fail to express ourselves in the correct manner by not saying what we should say and holding back when you should be expressing some direct information to another person.

So when I look at David Icke I see an advanced spiritual being trying his best to make the most out of a physical body which is not always able to handle the kind of forces which flow through those who are here for a specific task. In the ancient writings there is a lot of warnings about the destructive potential of the kundalini energy and the many problems it can cause.
Diseases like cancers of the breast, gonads, pancreas, kidneys, etc are all a result of energy blockage due to kundalini and many can never be cured for reasons more complicated than orthodox medicine believes right now.

Rev. Desmond Tutu comes to mind as well. Thank you for that lovely post Fine Feather.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Disk space is cheap enough - the space needed for the entire website, including multiple geographically distributed backups, costs perhaps a few hundred dollars per year.

Actually, Avalon costs $270 per month ($3,240 per year).

David Icke's website, which includes his own forum, will certainly cost as much if not more.

Heehee, i almost fell out of my chair laughing when you said how much it actually costs to run Avalon.

Here is why......... "they" and we all know who "they" are, spend trillions upon trillions upon trillions to keep the thruth from coming out about, reality, space, consciousness, our origins, current state of technology, free energy, ET/ED and the existance of the underpantsgnomes.

And here we are....... for 270 US dollars a month, a bunch of seriously silly interested valuable amateurs, are pulling the rug out under them, informationwise i mean by that, wether our conclusions of the current state of affairs is false or correct has yet to be seen but, imho, 270 bucks a month is cheap as dirt for balancing the scale of power in our advantage, we are doing excellent.

Another Teehee from meehee.

Those who do not believe in conspiracies, have obviously never thrown someone a surprise party, its not always the scale that matters to put something in perspective.

have a nice and silly evening y'all.

[The One]

A blast from the past when he was a sports commentator


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sNE20DjhLw&feature=player_detailpage


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx4NwryMryw&feature=player_embedded#!

David worked for BBC Sport until 1990, often on Grandstand and snooker programmes, and also at the 1988 Summer Olympics, but despite his professional success – he was by then a household name – a career in television began to lose its appeal for him. He wrote in Tales from the Time Loop (2003) that he was beginning to find television workers insincere, shallow, and vicious, with rare exceptions. His contract with the BBC was terminated in August 1990 thanks to a political row, when he refused to pay his Community Charge, a controversial local tax introduced that year in England by Margaret Thatcher. He did end up paying it, but his announcement that he was willing to go to jail rather than pay prompted the BBC, by charter an impartial public-service broadcaster, to distance itself from him

So even back then he was challenging the system

Top Man

[fathertedsmate]

the words were where i am coming from, as for the toxins etc, they are out of the internal workings, i am not going through it anymore stripping out is nearly complete,rebuilding has to be done, came on avalon looking for answers,i got them, they came from self by analysing every piece of information thrown my way, and listening to what my body was telling me, have been guided to where the information required was, the following have provided, victor schauberg,nikola tesla,dr,brzinsky,dr robert o young,will spence,dr robert melamede,tye bollinger,dr robert cassilas,dr coldwell,dr mark sircus,rick simpson,shona banda,jack herer paul pantone, and last but not least adam abrahams latest guest GM he has allowed me to jion all the dots
dont feel for me limor i am going to be okay,in fact when the job is complete(about another year) for the first time in what will be 55 yrs i will be in total controll, in balance and able to be myself, been on the breadline,been on the frontline, the most dangerous people i have met are the ones who are there to help
my piont was david was being poisoned by mercury,when he went through the process to remove the source,he would have felt 1000 times better, he is still a magnet for every other heavy metal thats out there, removing metals is only a part of the process its the conditions inside that they have created,thats the part that needs attention, we are the ideal host for all parasites,pathogens,yeast,fungus,mould and viruses,they can only survive when the conditions are right thats acidic,metals ensure at some point this will be acheived,
anyway i would love to meet mr icke, its about time he had his tracksuit back,i have been wearing it since 2002

[meat suit]

yeah, I trust him, he seems a great guy...
I had a little voice in my head one day 3 years ago that said: 'go and study Divid Icke..'
does that mean I think he is 100% right? no....
he obviously consistently believes in everything he teaches , and his interpretation of the available data is very convincing...
but which bits are true ...we will see....

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by fathertedmate: " dont feel for me limor i am going to be okay"

I was feeling for you as much as I was feeling for myself, fathertedmate, I have health issues derives from toxins and from emotional issues that I held tight inside for many years, so I get what you are saying. but, let me ask you a question, This thread title is : "David Icke, do you trust him or not? "
what I would like to know is what is your answer to that? and what do you base your judge on when deciding if a person is a reliable source of information and what would makes someone a good messanger, in your opinion?

Cheers

[sleepy]

Limor,


Davidwhite04 started this thread not fathertedmate.

[RunningDeer]

Limor,


Davidwhite04 started this thread not fathertedmate.

Limor's compassion to assist another human being reaching out to be heard, overrides what's important to someone else in this moment. She's a big heart. The world would be a different place if we had more Limors.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/big-smile2-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

[sleepy]

WCBD'
I have great respect for Limor's compassion. She has edited her post and said thank you. I agree that the world would be a better place with more people like Limor in it. And never for a moment did I think my correcting a mistake was more important than Limor's compassion but thank you for pointing it out in this moment.
Peace,
sleepy

[RunningDeer]

WCBD'
I have great respect for Limor's compassion. She has edited her post and said thank you. I agree that the world would be a better place with more people like Limor in it. And never for a moment did I think my correcting a mistake was more important than Limor's compassion but thank you for pointing it out in this moment.
Peace,
sleepy
Dear Sleep, you just made my Light grow. I thank you. I wonder. Can it be just that simple? http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/wet-kiss-smiley.gif?1292867699

[Chris Gilbert]

Eccentric views is something I have come to expect and even appreciate from those who are attempting to explore and unveil the furthest reaches of hidden truth. I certainly have my own fair share of "out there" viewpoints, so while I may not agree with Icke on the shapeshifting Reptilians, I don't condemn him for it.

(Personally I think his views on the Reptilians come from his perceiving the etheric bodies of such individuals, the reptilian look is a subconsciously filtered symbol for the state of their soul, they aren't LITERALLY reptiles).

[WhiteFeather]

David Icke. The rumors of his wealth debunked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P38WEHaWU

This video proves that he certainly is not doing it for the money. I like his sense of humour.

Excellent, he has loads of old light bulbs which made me chuckle as I do too :)

Big Fan Of David Icke as well as David Wilcock. Don't shoot me please. Im also an avid fan of Dolores Cannon and Kerry Cassidy as well.
Re: Lightbulbs They were giving out free CFL Bulbs here in NY to every home and they were also installing them for free. Yep Thats right free. You get what you pay for. Guess they Wanna keep the people sleeping and hypnotized. It got my spidey senses tingling a bit..if you will. Still have the old bulbs as well. I started a thread on these bulbs below.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28341-CFL-LightBulbs-The-Dirty-Electricity

[mescalitto]

If the world was full of David Icke's it would be a better place for sure :) I am not saying i do not frown when he presents some of his theories, but the majority of the time i applaud the man for his strength to brush off ridicule and still stand by his beliefs no matter how controversial they may seem.

[Chester]

With regard to disease and the more enlightened man I have had the opportunity of viewing the etheric energy body of quite a few different types of people.
The more that a person is enlightened, and I use this word, here, as in when a person comes into incarnation with a higher vibration due to his/her level of spiritual attainment, the more prone he/she can be to disease, and I use this word as in the burning of the physical cell structure, due to higher energy levels flowing through the body in the form of kundalini.
When kundalini is active in a more powerful way than just the normal flow due to evolution, it can cause things like cancers and many other serious illnesses.
As an example I would say that David Icke has an excess flow in his lower chakra area which governs the adrenal process. This can cause things like arthritis and skin blotches and even blistering. The interesting thing about this lower chakra is that it is responsible for our will to self preservation, and courage is a result of one of it's positive qualities, something which David is sure not lacking.
I thought I would also just mention the problem Bill mentioned about stammering. This condition is a direct result of a blockage in the parathyroid or thyroid function, it manifests due to lack of iodine in some cases but actually from the flow of energy into and out of the throat chakra. This often also happens when we fail to express ourselves in the correct manner by not saying what we should say and holding back when you should be expressing some direct information to another person.

So when I look at David Icke I see an advanced spiritual being trying his best to make the most out of a physical body which is not always able to handle the kind of forces which flow through those who are here for a specific task. In the ancient writings there is a lot of warnings about the destructive potential of the kundalini energy and the many problems it can cause.
Diseases like cancers of the breast, gonads, pancreas, kidneys, etc are all a result of energy blockage due to kundalini and many can never be cured for reasons more complicated than orthodox medicine believes right now.

Just from my memory, Bill was courageous enough to share an even more personal reason behind his issue with speech, that it stemmed from a past life experience, etc. What Bill is an example of in this regard is how one can carry through from a past life an issue which manifests in a later life which then provides the individual the opportunity to achieve a lesson. Not that a physical manifestation would be instantly and completely overcome, but at the other (and perhaps more central) levels of our being, especially at the soul level, a great deal of progress can be achieved. I appreciated when I read Bill's sharing of this personal information as it was an inspiration to me to work on my own as well as to seek getting in touch with my past life experiences in this regard.

If there is anything to all this, this further supports Finefeather's view in that we experience multiple lifetimes in a process of individual spiritual evolution. What I have found through my own experience that has been kick started by those like Bill and Finefeather who have shared their own personal experiences is that I have been able to achieve (and this comes to me from others) a relatively rapid personal spiritual awakening. To me this is what Avalon is all about.

And because of the subject of this thread, I cannot imagine a braver individual alive on earth today than David Icke. Just go back and watch some of the videos of David in the early 90s. Incredible IMO and why more than anyone on earth he has been my greatest personal inspiration source.

[davewhite04]

One thing that ought to be considered every time one suspects a person of making money from books is this:

You print a thousand books, 300-500 pages, they might cost you around 10 USD a piece, then you have to sell them cheaper, let´s say at 20 USD a piece to big companies that do the biggest selling and on top of that you can sell them at 30 USD via your own webstore. Let´s say you manage to sell 700 of those 1000 books, making in average 15 USD of profit per book, amounting up to 10 500 USD of profit. Substract from that taxes, marketing expenses, VAT, costs of graphic design etc. etc.

Not much of a business - my figures might actually be quite optimistic... When printing bigger amounts you can come up with a bit bigger income, but we are definitely not talking about a gold mine here ;) The money vs hours spent at work ratio definitely is not good in this alternative genre.


UT

Edit: I trust David by the way

Hi

David writes books and he sells them - nothing wrong with that, no one should have a problem with that.

His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.

[gooty64]

What about Eustice Mullins and Ezra Pound? What about Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, Michael Tellinger, Joseph Farrell, Graham Hancock, Richard Dolan, Neil Kramer, Ken Wilbur, Michael Cremo, Laura Eisenhower, Regina Meredith, Kerry Cassidy, Nassim Haramein, Eckart Tolle, Jim Marrs, Stewart Wilde, Bill Deagle, James Gilliland or Russel Means?

And what about Bill Cooper? Never forget that Bill Cooper gave his life to bring us the truth. I'll never forget him. He was the best.

Great message!

[Bill Ryan]

His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.

Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.

[jaybee]

When kundalini is active in a more powerful way than just the normal flow due to evolution, it can cause things like cancers and many other serious illnesses.


I don't know where you are getting this from but I would think it would be the opposite....that a flow of kundalini ('normal' or otherwise:))would help to prevent cancer and serious illness.



Diseases like cancers of the breast, gonads, pancreas, kidneys, etc are all a result of energy blockage due to kundalini and many can never be cured for reasons more complicated than orthodox medicine believes right now.


Kundalini IMO...would be the energy that was getting blocked ...not kundalini being the problem and doing the blocking.



.

[Lancelot]

very curious as to how members on here think of this guy?

everything he does just seems to make more money for him, and everything he does is geared towards making money.

genuine or not

i think not purely being because even his site contains an advert on how to become rich, you have to pay to see the videos mind...

Yes, absolutely trust David Icke. You only have to look at his website to see what he is doing for mass awakening. He has been very succesful at speading the word and puts almost every penny back into the cause whilst living a very humble existance. He is an absolute legent IMO.
By posing this question you are implying that you are in doubt as to whether to trust him yourself- if this is the case, what aspects of his stuff are you in doubt about?

[davewhite04]

His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.

Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.

I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.

[Chester]

His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.

Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.

I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.

a.) you do not have to buy anything you do not want to buy but perhaps that hasn't been discovered

b.) just because someone's website uses third parties to market through their site from which the site might earn additional revenues so that perhaps they can continue to afford to make available to the public the content from which they are otherwise not receiving any revenue does not negate the value of their content - wake up to the reality of owning, managing and paying for a website. If you knew how little additional income these types of advertisements provide, you might stop painting your picture which you are likely intelligent enough to understand you are painting.

c.) the continuous posts of the same nature smack of trolling and suggest you may have an agenda either on your own or perhaps prompted by other parties.

d.) what do you do to assist in the awakening of humanity?

e.) if I were the site owner or administrator at Avalon, I would consider additional measures at this point (but this is not my site).

justone

[Fred Steeves]

His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.

Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.

I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.

And you've heard them Dave, why not give er a rest and think about it. This thread has veered far indeed from it's apparent original purpose.

What is the purpose now come to think of it? Is Credo Mutwa next?

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Each individual chooses if they resonate with a particular truth or falsehood. There is no black and white unless you deem it so. For any data or piece of information, it is the individual's choice to decide whether or not it is beneficial or detrimental. Make up your own mind. Don't rely on other's to find your truth for you. It has been stated before on the forum, probably in various threads, if you don't control your mind, someone else will. Also, as stated in the Principia Discordia, the answer is neither A or B; it is most likely C.

:edit: though off topic, that last statement applies to the upcoming US election as well.;)

[Melinda]

His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.

Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.

I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.

And you've heard them Dave, why not give er a rest and think about it. This thread has veered far indeed from it's apparent original purpose.

What is the purpose now come to think of it? Is Credo Mutwa next?

I do enjoy your posts Fred :)

[ThePythonicCow]

I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.
When asking a question with the intention of learning something for one's self, one need only ask enough to learn the answer.

When asking a question with the intention of sowing seeds of doubt in others, one might want to ask again and again, hoping to sow as many seeds as possible.


the continuous posts of the same nature smack of trolling and suggest you may have an agenda either on your own or perhaps prompted by other parties.
Yeah - the word "trolling" comes to my mind as well.

[gripreaper]

Just from my memory, Bill was courageous enough to share an even more personal reason behind his issue with speech, that it stemmed from a past life experience, etc. What Bill is an example of in this regard is how one can carry through from a past life an issue which manifests in a later life which then provides the individual the opportunity to achieve a lesson. Not that a physical manifestation would be instantly and completely overcome, but at the other (and perhaps more central) levels of our being, especially at the soul level, a great deal of progress can be achieved. I appreciated when I read Bill's sharing of this personal information as it was an inspiration to me to work on my own as well as to seek getting in touch with my past life experiences in this regard.

If there is anything to all this, this further supports Finefeather's view in that we experience multiple lifetimes in a process of individual spiritual evolution. What I have found through my own experience that has been kick started by those like Bill and Finefeather who have shared their own personal experiences is that I have been able to achieve (and this comes to me from others) a relatively rapid personal spiritual awakening. To me this is what Avalon is all about.

And because of the subject of this thread, I cannot imagine a braver individual alive on earth today than David Icke. Just go back and watch some of the videos of David in the early 90s. Incredible IMO and why more than anyone on earth he has been my greatest personal inspiration source.

Bingo. We have a winner. How can anyone know what the combined experience of thousands of lifetimes of another souls path, can be? I'm sure heavy metals might have something to do with arthritis, but what if it is a manifestation which David has chosen on a soul level, due to an energetic imprint from hundreds of lifetimes?

Send David an e-mail and give him some links to the best detox you know, and leave it at that.

[truth4me]

His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.

Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers. I agree Bill. If somebody doesn't want to read what David Icke says then why do they go to his site.

[Tangri]

my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,
What an unfortunate commons about someones health

[treeman]

Do I trust him?
Yes!
Have you seen him speak or read his books?
Yes!
One time at the Brixton Academy, where he spoke for
nearly eight hours with a half an hour break, an experience,
Seeing him pacing the floor boards and speech of passion.
I feel he's been consistent over the years.

[Finefeather]

Hi jaybee


When kundalini is active in a more powerful way than just the normal flow due to evolution, it can cause things like cancers and many other serious illnesses.

I don't know where you are getting this from but I would think it would be the opposite....that a flow of kundalini ('normal' or otherwise:))would help to prevent cancer and serious illness.
This theory of yours is a common mistake made by many. Kundalini is always the force which has the potential to burn or injure the cell structure and cause cancers as an example. Kundalini is also flowing constantly, it is just impeded in the normal state. What you are talking about, and the 'thing' that prevents cancer and serious illness, is NOT kundalini, it is your ability to control and balance kundalini by your attitude and mental state. This is seen in many people who have cured themselves of cancers by changing their mental attitude. This mental attitude is what causes the blockage in each chakra and what determines the most likely place the cancer, or disease, will manifest in the body. As an example, if you have sexual hangups it will be in the sacral area of your body, a lot of woman get breast cancer and this is the nuturing out of balance heart chakra. This, change in mental attitude, in turn allowes the prana or life force, from the sun, to flow normally, which normalises the tissue and cures the problem, not kundalini. Kundalini is the internal force of evolution whilst prana or life force comes from 'external' sources, like the sun, the air, or food source. Kundalini is a force present in everything that materialises and is the reason for radiation. It is exactly the same thing which causes lightning and it comes from the singularity at the point of physical manifestation of a mineral or object. The human body has it's permanent atom at the base chakra. When we hear of someone achieving nirvana or enlightenment, in the esoteric sense, it means he/she has removed all mental desires/blockages from his/her self and the higher forces can flow freely through the body without harming the body. The ultimate cure is the correct balanced state of your mind, kundalini is the force waiting to flow through you and enlighten/evolve you, and if you are not ready it is the force which causes most of our problems. There is a lot more to this, but that could take a while.
Kundalini is the source of 'free' energy which is the subject of such controversy today.




Diseases like cancers of the breast, gonads, pancreas, kidneys, etc are all a result of energy blockage due to kundalini and many can never be cured for reasons more complicated than orthodox medicine believes right now.

Kundalini IMO...would be the energy that was getting blocked ...not kundalini being the problem and doing the blocking.
Yes you are right, I did not word this very well, thank you for correcting me.(will edit my post) I should have added 'and' to the sentence and said:
"Diseases like cancers of the breast, gonads, pancreas, kidneys, etc are all a result of energy blockage and due to kundalini and many can never be cured for reasons more complicated than orthodox medicine believes right now.

Love
Ray

[fathertedsmate]

how dare you take my words and twist them mr ryan, was going to reply in my best west of scotland accent with a F*** you, now i will say thank you the veil slipped slightly, the pupet master sent me these words last night, dance,dance wherever you might be i am the lord of the dance said he,
i tend to listen to him as he has guided me with real results, my final post farewell all

[therinkydinktink]

if someone is going to tell me how i work they need to be a perfect example,So I guess you shouldn't read anything about astrophysics written by Steven Hawking. Or even listen to anything I say -- as I still have a slight stammer which affects me sometimes.

I confess to being "an imperfect example". And I imagine everyone on the forum is as well, including yourself. This does not disqualify us from teaching, learning, and traveling this journey together.

I'm perfectly modest!:drum: (Sorry I'll get my coat!;)):focus:

Seems the general consensus (on here anyway and that is where you asked your question) is that yes the majority trust him and have given their reasons for doing so. Like Fred said lets move on.

[Finefeather]

His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.

Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.

I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.
I have never owned a website but I always get the impression that you sell space on your site, not choose the advert.
This would explain the reason I see different adds in the same place on sites I have visited.
I have seen many many adverts on sites which seem contradictory to their message.
Is it not a bit like a billboard?
If you think people support the adds they have on their site, I think you may be mistaken...
Just a thought :)

[ulli]

I have never owned a website but I always get the impression that you sell space on your site, not choose the advert.
This would explain the reason I see different adds in the same place on sites I have visited.
I have seen many many adverts on sites which seem contradictory to their message.
Is it not a bit like a billboard?
If you think people support the adds they have on their site, I think you may be mistaken...
Just a thought :)

To emphasize Finefeather's point even further:

I used to play an arcade game called Marbles.
For years there have been advertisements from a marble company on that site, which other than the name has zero association with marble kitchen counters. Can't help but wonder if this isn't misplaced advertising.
Go figure.

[apokalypse]

wrong post

[therinkydinktink]

To emphasize Finefeather's point even further:

I used to play an arcade game called Marbles.
For years there have been advertisements from a marble company on that site, which other than the name has zero association with marble kitchen counters. Can't help but wonder if this isn't misplaced advertising.
Go figure.

I would suspect it's some kind of word recognition software. I have openly ranted about various TV shows on various forums/websites etc and the next thing I'm getting adverts for these same shows live tours.

Just a theory.:loco:

[DevilPigeon]

I have never owned a website but I always get the impression that you sell space on your site, not choose the advert.
This would explain the reason I see different adds in the same place on sites I have visited.
I have seen many many adverts on sites which seem contradictory to their message.
Is it not a bit like a billboard?
If you think people support the adds they have on their site, I think you may be mistaken...
Just a thought :)

To emphasize Finefeather's point even further:

I used to play an arcade game called Marbles.
For years there have been advertisements from a marble company on that site, which other than the name has zero association with marble kitchen counters. Can't help but wonder if this isn't misplaced advertising.
Go figure.

To add a further layer to the last 2 posts...

Any "Google ad" banners added to a website are visitor-specific - they change from visitor to visitor, and are based on the visitor's online-experience with Google (search terms entered through Google, previous Google ad clicks etc)

[Bill Ryan]

how dare you take my words and twist them mr ryan, was going to reply in my best west of scotland accent with a F*** you, now i will say thank you the veil slipped slightly, the pupet master sent me these words last night, dance,dance wherever you might be i am the lord of the dance said he,
i tend to listen to him as he has guided me with real results, my final post farewell all

Dear Friend -- I didn't twist your words. I was pointing out that many great teachers are not (and do not claim to be) perfect people. I'm pretty sure that Gandhi, Mandela, Mother Theresa, MLK, JFK, and even JC would agree. (This may needs a thread in itself!)

One cannot cite the presence or persistence of body problems to criticize or diminish a person's message. You're confusing the car with the driver -- the body with the spiritual being. The two are different entities.

Like davewhite04, you don't appear to have been reading or understanding the many intelligent and perceptive replies to your posts. I have a great deal of sympathy and empathy for your own situation and for your own very difficult journey, but the challenging circumstances you have encountered and wrestled with do not constitute any reason to project these issues onto others.

[Finefeather]

Paramhansa Yogananda
On diseases


The metaphysical method of physical transfer of disease is known to highly advanced yogis. A strong man can assist a weaker one by helping to carry his heavy load; a spiritual superman is able to minimize his disciples' physical or mental burdens by sharing the karma of their past actions. Just as a rich man loses some money when he pays off a large debt for his prodigal son, who is thus saved from dire consequences of his own folly, so a master willingly sacrifices a portion of his bodily wealth to lighten the misery of disciples.
By a secret method, the yogi unites his mind and astral vehicle with those of a suffering individual; the disease is conveyed, wholly or in part, to the saint's body. Having harvested God on the physical field, a master no longer cares what happens to that material form. Though he may allow it to register a certain disease in order to relieve others, his mind is never affected; he considers himself fortunate in being able to render such aid.
The devotee who has achieved final salvation in the Lord finds that his body has completely fulfilled its purpose; he can then use it in any way he deems fit. His work in the world is to alleviate the sorrows of mankind, whether through spiritual means or by intellectual counsel or through will power or by the physical transfer of disease. Escaping to the superconsciousness whenever he so desires, a master can remain oblivious of physical suffering; sometimes he chooses to bear bodily pain stoically, as an example to disciples. By putting on the ailments of others, a yogi can satisfy, for them, the karmic law of cause and effect. This law is mechanically or mathematically operative; its workings can be scientifically manipulated by men of divine wisdom.
The spiritual law does not require a master to become ill whenever he heals another person. Healings ordinarily take place through the saint's knowledge of various methods of instantaneous cure in which no hurt to the spiritual healer is involved. On rare occasions, however, a master who wishes to greatly quicken his disciples' evolution may then voluntarily work out on his own body a large measure of their undesirable karma.
Jesus signified himself as a ransom for the sins of many. With his divine powers, his body could never have been subjected to death by crucifixion if he had not willingly cooperated with the subtle cosmic law of cause and effect. He thus took on himself the consequences of others' karma, especially that of his disciples. In this manner they were highly purified and made fit to receive the omnipresent consciousness which later descended on them.
Only a self-realized master can transfer his life force, or convey into his own body the diseases of others. An ordinary man cannot employ this yogic method of cure, nor is it desirable that he should do so; for an unsound physical instrument is a hindrance to God-meditation. The Hindu scriptures teach that the first duty of man is to keep his body in good condition; otherwise his mind is unable to remain fixed in devotional concentration.
A very strong mind, however, can transcend all physical difficulties and attain to God-realization. Many saints have ignored illness and succeeded in their divine quest. St. Francis of Assisi, severely afflicted with ailments, healed others and even raised the dead.
Many people imagine that every spiritual master has, or should have, the health and strength of a Sandow. The assumption is unfounded. A sickly body does not indicate that a guru is not in touch with divine powers, any more than lifelong health necessarily indicates an inner illumination. The condition of the physical body, in other words, cannot rightfully be made a test of a master. His distinguishing qualifications must be sought in his own domain, the spiritual.
Source: http://www.dharma.lt/en.php/interesting/world-wisdom/paramhansa-yogananda/

[Arrowwind]

No Bill, you were not twisting fathertedsmate's words but starting out your reply to him with "wow- what an ignorant post" is not a way to open doors of communication with someone.
Its like a smack in the face regardless of how true or not your view point is.

[jaybee]

What you are talking about, and the 'thing' that prevents cancer and serious illness, is NOT kundalini, it is your ability to control and balance kundalini by your attitude and mental state.

Hiya Finefeather....now you have said more...I think we are on the same page with this.

thanks for your reply...:thumb:

.

[Bill Ryan]

No Bill, you were not twisting fathertedsmate's words but starting out your reply to him with "wow- what an ignorant post" is not a way to open doors of communication with someone.
Its like a smack in the face regardless of how true or not your view point is.

Point fully taken. I considered reporting by own post to the mods. (Seriously!)

But I really felt like saying that at the time. It reflected my strong view, which I later explained in two subsequent posts. A critique of David Icke's important and powerful message, based solely on his arthritis and other body issues which he has or may have, was not well-informed. Let me say that more politely!

David is like an uncomplaining, wounded soldier who bears the constant pain he lives in with extraordinary fortitude. I traveled with him in South Africa for two weeks and each night he could barely sleep he was in such physical pain. No-one except a close traveling companion would ever have known. Yet he continued to do his job wonderfully.

Describing fathertedsmate not being well-informed as 'ignorant' is just a tough and blunt way to put it. I entirely accept that that is not the optimum way to conduct a debate. But I'm adamant in the points I make, and I wanted to emphasize them strongly.

[AriG]

ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

David Icke, due to the nature of his work, is the victim of the constant flow of negative energy directed at him. I think he's holding up better than most of us could.

[Arrowwind]

Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

[AriG]

When asking a question with the intention of sowing seeds of doubt in others,

This pearl of wisdom certainly resonates with me. It seems to be a frequently applied modus operandi and yes, for mere mortals still in possession of their ugly egos, it hurts a little.

Just a bit of constructive criticism for the OP - the title of your thread even implies that you are casting doubt. Wouldn't a more balanced approach have been to title the thread in a positive tone such as ' Wanting to know more about David Icke ' or ' Do Icke's words resonate with you '?

Certainly not trying to sound like the "thought police" here, but the MSM or journalists of old used to have an expression for this practice - yellow journalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

Yes, everyone wants their thoughts to be heard and their words to be read ( there's that ugly old ego flaring up again :)) but when our words are written to discredit someone without presenting fact, we suppress the very thing we are seeking - our freedom. We allow our light to be absorbed by the dark. We join the other side.

[jaybee]

No Bill, you were not twisting fathertedsmate's words but starting out your reply to him with "wow- what an ignorant post" is not a way to open doors of communication with someone.
Its like a smack in the face regardless of how true or not your view point is.

Point fully taken. I considered reporting by own post to the mods. (Seriously!)


lol Bill....you could have reported yourself to yourself...:p



David is like an uncomplaining, wounded soldier who bears the constant pain he lives in with extraordinary fortitude. I traveled with him in South Africa for two weeks and each night he could barely sleep he was in such physical pain. No-one except a close traveling companion would ever have known. Yet he continued to do his job wonderfully.


awwwwww love to David x x x

I am astonished and humbled by the fortitude of people who live with severe pain and still manage to acheive a lot. My mother has an inoperable slipped disc and lives in constant pain, juggling around with different doses of pain-killers...but her mental strength and determination is amazing...


.

[SilentFeathers]

David Icke is on the Alex Jones show today (27th)

http://www.infowars.com/

[ulli]

Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

Lots of thoughts here about what you said.
I also used to have problems with that aspect of David's message, but not any more.
We are multi-dimensional beings, and some people can see the next dimension, like cats can see in the dark.
We all know that cats have better eyes than us humans.
And for them those dimensions are as real as ordinary humans who think their five senses reveal the 3D world as real.
So I no longer argue with another person's perception.
I'm just grateful if they are willing to put up with mine.

[Sierra]

Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

Lots of thoughts here about what you said.
I also used to have problems with that aspect of David's message, but not any more.
We are multi-dimensional beings, and some people can see the next dimension, like cats can see in the dark.
We all know that cats have better eyes than us humans.
And for them those dimensions are as real as ordinary humans who think their five senses reveal the 3D world as real.
So I no longer argue with another person's perception.
I'm just grateful if they are willing to put up with mine.

I know someone personally who has seen reptillian shape shifting in part, and in full. They can display their eyes only or do a full body change. The full body change was done by a little boy, whose sister then primly said, "Now you know Mommy says you are not supposed to do that in front of strangers."

What is funny (and I find it corroborating ... ) is that these reptillians would carry on conversations with her, that she'd have no idea what they were talking about ... until she recovered the altered state memories. (Yes, seeing a reptilian would push her into an altered state.)

For one, I can see why David Icke continually pushes the reptillian paradigm. It is real. VERY hard to believe without the evidence of one's own eyes, but real.

FWIW, the person who can see the reptilians, has severe, painful and debilitating health issues, yet she healed someone in the last stages of pancreatic cancer ... while his 12 year old son dying of aids who was also present, could not be healed. What is weird, is the doctor who was healed, had also raped her. He tried to reach out and touch her after the healing. She recoiled, and his son said, "Don't you dare touch her."

She introduced me to David Icke, and started me on the path to awareness. :)

Life can be very strange, and sometimes does not make sense from our perspective.

Sierra

[pugwash84]

I do believe him about the reptiles, I think when a human is conditioned from birth to think how it does and brainwashed into living in an illusion then the human will see what the brain is telling it to see. When I draw down a squiggle on a piece of paper and try to make a picture out of it 8 times out of 10 I will end up drawing a face because human brains try to find a face out of things. If the human brain is trained enough it will see something different instead of seeing a reptile it will see a human. I think what he says makes more sense than the "truth" bizarre enough and in the uk the monarchy is through bloodlines so that is not hard to believe either. When voting there is no real choice puppet number 1 or number 2 but both are puppets, where is the choice? Where is the "None of them" box?
Everywhere in history there are reptiles on statues and such so to me when I was told about reptiles I was like OMG why didn't I see that? It's so obvious lol it's like something directly in front of your face, but you cant see it until you step back and are like wow that's what it is. I think he is bang on correct with a lot of things I've heard him say.

[davewhite04]

Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

Thanks for your post, I resonate this but in the opposite direction. Some of his pioneering work, such as Reptilians and other alien theories he has. This is why I so much want to know he is doing something to change the actual world. His message to me was played out 2000 years ago, by Jesus. What happened after him...

Thanks again
Peace
Dave

[davewhite04]

Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

Hi,

I believe he did observe one, Ted Heath. This I can confirm happens.

[therinkydinktink]

Hi,

I believe he did observe one, Ted Heath. This I can confirm happens.
I know his nephew, he stood for parliament here as a lib dem candidate. My Dad knows him better than I but I have chatted with him a few times. Could tell youa story or two but this isn't the place.
Should I be worried?:confused:

[Cidersomerset]

http://sundayisforlovers.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/david-icke-page-quote-2.jpg?w=500



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49886-David-Icke-The-EU-Dictatorship-Never-Was-Meant-To-Be-a-Democracy-22-Oct-2009

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49473-David-Icke-on-Alchemy-Radio-in-Ireland-5th-Sept...2012

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48826-David-Icke-on-The-Jack-Blood-Show-16-8-2012

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46940-David-Icke-The-Banker-Fraudsters-the-Global-Banking-Scam-

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46647-David-Icke-BBC-radio-June-21st-2012

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46457-David-Icke-Ancient-Spaceship-The-Moon....Ken-Johnson-Moon-Anomalies..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45400-David-Icke-on-Veritas...With-Mel-sat-19th-May

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45402-David-Icke-The-Manipulation-of-Humanity-The-Multi-Dimensional-Matrix-pt.1-2

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43356-David-Icke-People-Are-Getting-More-More-Streetwise.-The-Lion-Sleeps-No-More-Tour

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42940-David-Icke-The-Sumerian-Alian-Origin....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42847-David-Icke-IS-WORLD-WAR-3-INEVITABLE

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42763-David-Icke-The-Bloodthirsty-Bloodline

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42421-David-Icke-The-Corrupt-Money-and-Banking-System

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42146-David-Icke-interviewed-by-Jack-Blood...Part-2....6th-March-2012

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40612-David-Icke.......Time-Monk-Radio...-6th-Feb..2012

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39867-David...Icke-on.....Unexplained-radio....16th-January-2012..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39786-David-Ickes...2nd-inter...on-Croation-TV-Jan-2012

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38546-D.Icke-in-Rome.....The-London-Rome-Beltane-Ritual-2011....Full-movie..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36980-David-Icke-in-Amsterdam2011-The-New-Reality-Show

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35530-David-Icke......Hit-Piece-In-Murdoch-s-Comic-propaganda-Rag-The-Sun....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34485-David-Icke-interviewed....3-News..4-11-2011

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33213-David-Icke-Human-caused-Climate-change-is-a-scam....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29688-David-Icke-Talks-to-Lisa-M-Harrison...Eve-of-Lion-sleeps-no-more-tour-Ausralia

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30698-Davi-Icke-Interview-in-Copenhagen-June-2011

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30184-David-Icke-Vectis-radio-7-9-11

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29619-David-Icke-Speaks-On-Rothchild-Zoinism

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28779-David-Icke-There-is-real-Journalism-and-then-there-s.....


I might be a admirer !...... I Just checked some of my threads..lol..

[Arrowwind]

Be that as it may, because of his reptilian rap, many people will not listen to him, and that is unfortuante for he has the rest of the stuff sewn up. On the other hand, there are others who provide almost identical info that Icke does. He overall is a better presenter and more passionate than most.

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[Thanks for your post, I resonate this but in the opposite direction. Some of his pioneering work, such as Reptilians and other alien theories he has. This is why I so much want to know he is doing something to change the actual world. His message to me was played out 2000 years ago, by Jesus. What happened after him...

Thanks again
Peace
Dave

Aside from informing people about the incredible mess, what is it that Icke is doing to change the world?

[Reaver]

Funny how many people like to ask what someone else (usually someone with a high profile) is doing to change the world. The truly important question is to ask "What am I doing to change my own life?" "What am I doing to evolve?".

Not that is counterproductive to ask what anyone else is doing now and again, but many of those questions about what anyone else is doing to change the world are coming from people who need to have examples of sainthood and perfect models so that they can live through them.

If you are going to ask anyone else what he or she is doing to change the world or her/his life, at least take that answer and think about it so you can contrast it with your own actions and ideas. I don't look at the work that Icke publishes anymore, because quite frankly I don't find the depth that I'm interested in at the moment, nevertheless a lot of his work is valuable and the man had and has the balls to express his ideas... he took the ball and ran with it, something which I can't say for a lot of people and that includes some people within the alternative media circles and I'm not even talking about alternative media personalities.

[davewhite04]

[Thanks for your post, I resonate this but in the opposite direction. Some of his pioneering work, such as Reptilians and other alien theories he has. This is why I so much want to know he is doing something to change the actual world. His message to me was played out 2000 years ago, by Jesus. What happened after him...

Thanks again
Peace
Dave

Aside from informing people about the incredible mess, what is it that Icke is doing to change the world?

Has it changed the world?

[Cidersomerset]

YiPudo013rw

He cannot change the world on his own , but he has done more than most.

[ThePythonicCow]

Has it changed the world?
Are you still asking questions not to gain insight for yourself, but to seed doubts in others?

(Sure looks that way to me.)

[HaveBlue]

I only disagree with Bills post for one reason only. He fed the troll. Fell for it. Now Bill, fool me once you know the rest. Don't be baited again. .

A troll by definition is a poster that deliberately trys to annoy and bait others into a petty and pointless argument. The pettier and more ridiculous the better. They then sit back and laugh at how enraged they have managed to make their victim(s). especially over something so insignificant.

You deal with them by NOT dealing with them. Ignore completley. The post does not exist. The fustration the troll feels is then turned right back on the troll. The troll set out to piss people off and got what they asked for but only if the troll is not fed. If you don't feed them they become their own victim.

How many times do I have to say -Don't Feed the 'Fn' trolls!!! What could be easier than doing nothing at all?

This movie doco about Hacktivism really is compulsory viewing. All users of the WWW should see it.

We Are Legion - The Story of the Hacktivists
Description:

A documentary on the workings and beliefs of the self-described "hacktivist" collective, Anonymous.


http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=30945

[Corncrake]

Thanks to some of the contributions this has been a very interesting and informative thread. I too have been to one of David Icke's Brixton Academy presentations - and what a tour de force it was too. However, I was interested to read Arrowind's post because while I accept most of David's points I have struggled with the reptilian connection too and Sierra's response was particularly helpful. There are many things I believe in which I cannot see. I am not psychic but people I respect are and so I have to trust that what they tell me is true. Having done some research into the reptilians - although I have to admit it is a subject that rather frightens me (Jordan Maxwell's stories for example) :( - I am convinced there is some truth there but I have to take it slowly.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

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[spiritwind]

I first heard of David Icke in the early 90's and went to a viewing of one of his videos I think in 1995. I personally love the guy. I too struggled actually with many things he's had to say over the years because they just seemed too out there to me and yet so much of it has proven to be right on from numerous sources over the years. Even the reptilian thing. I too thought that was a bit out there, that maybe it was true in some sense but not literal. But as I've opened up to seeing things more clearly I have had several instances where I have seen a scaly reptilian image or sometimes a snakelike image transposed over someone I have been talking to. Kind of creepy. I've also had weird things happen after these encounters at times. I would rather it wasn't true but lack a better explanation. I remember when I read The Truth Shall Set You Free I was depressed for several weeks afterwards. It seems we are destined to function on a new level and like it or not we need to prepare ourselves for stronger and stronger doses of the truth no matter where it leads and whether we like what we discover or not. I think there is a period of integration that has to take place for each new level as we are ready but I don't think a lot of this stuff can be held back for much longer. I'd have to say David Icke was probably the first real whistleblower that got my attention and for that I will always be grateful even though I haven't always wanted to believe and didn't on a lot of it until I received outside confirmation from other sources, but it's all out there if you just take the time to look.

[Chester]

No Bill, you were not twisting fathertedsmate's words but starting out your reply to him with "wow- what an ignorant post" is not a way to open doors of communication with someone.
Its like a smack in the face regardless of how true or not your view point is.

Point fully taken. I considered reporting by own post to the mods. (Seriously!)

But I really felt like saying that at the time. It reflected my strong view, which I later explained in two subsequent posts. A critique of David Icke's important and powerful message, based solely on his arthritis and other body issues which he has or may have, was not well-informed. Let me say that more politely!

David is like an uncomplaining, wounded soldier who bears the constant pain he lives in with extraordinary fortitude. I traveled with him in South Africa for two weeks and each night he could barely sleep he was in such physical pain. No-one except a close traveling companion would ever have known. Yet he continued to do his job wonderfully.

Describing fathertedsmate not being well-informed as 'ignorant' is just a tough and blunt way to put it. I entirely accept that that is not the optimum way to conduct a debate. But I'm adamant in the points I make, and I wanted to emphasize them strongly.

People will take this post as sucking up... but I don't care because I have already fully exposed my dark side in two PMs around the wynderer banning days BUT here is an example of a human being who has taken on the responsibility of site creator/owner, site administrator, mod and poster and then perhaps made a mistake from the POV of one or more of those roles and had the freaking guts to point it out and gives me an even greater sense of trust for the man than I had before which I didn't know was possible. Thanks, Bill, for your example and thanks for being a personal inspiration to me.

This is the only forum I belong to and this is the reason why.

Now if folks could only apply this same understanding that we are all human beings, all make mistakes, all shift in our views and that those who go to the next steps of publicly exposing themselves are also pretty freaking brave too, and we can get past their humanness, then perhaps we could see the gems they bring forth such as David Icke has done for two decades.

I would like to add something though. That a thread like this comes up from time to time is not a bad thing. New members and new lurkers will come across the thread. Those who are members will perhaps jump in and respond. Its my opinion they should be allowed to grow just as others have been able to experience growth in the past... thus I see this thread as good. Love to ALL - Chester

[Cidersomerset]

This is the latest interview between Alex Jones & David Icke.....If you don't get something from this imo ...

You may have to review some of your dot connecting..LOL..

Everyone is entitled to decipher information their own way and if David does not reasonate with you OK
But nothing in this interview is rubbish imo....Thats not to say its the 'gospal' truth....Steve

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27 minutes Alex & David talks about interdimentional entities and how the Elite believe in them...
and its been in their litrature for thousands of years, including the bible...
Alex 10 years ago thought all this rubbish......Not anymore listen to discussion...


Thread posted by Referee...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50295-David-Icke-on-Alex-Jones-9-27-2012&p=560971#post560971

[Arrowwind]

Has it changed the world?
Are you still asking questions not to gain insight for yourself, but to seed doubts in others?

(Sure looks that way to me.)

What I was wondering was if he was doing something else besides his teaching work.

[Kimberley]

Another new David Icke video Just posted today...


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[Akasha]

In answer to the thread question, yes I do trust him.

To Bill: In light of your time spent with him, would you be prepared to comment on his dietary habits? Namely, is he a veggie? There is a wide variety of data supporting the idea that a vegetarian/vegan diet can help in alleviating the symptoms of arthritis. I only bring this up because I want the best for him and maybe it's an area of research he has overlooked due to his intensive focus on other areas.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

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So? Why so serious?:p

And yes, i dont distrust David, i take him more serious then AJ anyways, mr Icke comes across as very sincere and is fighting the good fight, it does not really matter what i believe or dont believe, he believes what he is telling us and does so very well, i like that, makes me listen, good wellinformed teacher. We should all be pleased to have him around in our lifetime.

Regards

[Cidersomerset]

David Icke interviewed at Bestival festival by Richard Strange

This is a interresting interview and brave of David to try and speak in such conditions......

I cannot think of many alternate researchers speaking like he does.

It certainly went over the head of the interviewer and no one can accuse him of ducking the public.

It shows why he needs 9hours and illustrations to expose these topics properly....

Good on ya !!

[Amysenthia]

I believe that David Icke is one of the last great prophets of our time. When I first learned of his material and read it I did not believe it. As I have learned more I have come to believe EVERYTHING that he teaches.

This is one man that if someone were to ask me who I would like to meet living or dead, then I would say that I would love to cross of my bucket list spending an afternoon talking with him. ( Oh and you too Bill Ryan!!).

[mosquito]

Well, this has been interesting !

FTM (dare I call you Dougal), if you're still reading this - I thank you for telling us the history of your health problems, it's nice to know where someone's coming from. Would I have responded to you differently if I'd known this about you ? Possibly, as you have clearly been through the mill, and I admire your courage and fortitude for doing so; but ......probably not, because you appeared to be making a value judgment against someone based on their deformity (that's how it reads, sorry !), which is what triggered my response.

Communicating on a forum like this is not always an easy thing to do, we type things in the same way we may speak them to a friend, with the result that our intention may be that clear, or a particular tone of voice is inferred by readers. I'm guilty of that far too often for my liking, so I'd suggest (and here my tone is supposed to be friendly) thinking about how you write, and maybe writing everything up in a document first, then reading it for yourself after a break.

[Daughter of Time]

I trust David Icke! I like him! I respect him! I admire him! His courage is an inspiration. He's an indomitable force.

Years ago, a very dear friend delivered a number of David's videos to me. I watched them and discovered a great human being. During those viewings I kept thinking "Yes! Yes! Yes! Thank you for saying that! Thank you for confirming what I already knew! Thank you for explaning things I suspected! Thank you for opening my eyes to things I didn't know!" What a remarkable, extraordinary man!

So what if he's making some money? Does he deserve to be judged for that? Don't we all need money in order to perpetuate life in our physical bodies? If we are to judge people for making money, then let's judge unethical, huge corporations which make billions of dollars by ruining our wellness and that of the planet's. Let's not judge someone whose intent is to awaken the dormant masses.

And as far as his ill health goes, let's not judge him for that either because there is no shame in illness since it can be caused by factors which are outside the person's control. FineFeather has given the plausible kundalini explanation which could very well be the reason. And there may be other reasons. I suspect David probably suffers from a barrage of psychic attacks from many who I'm sure would like to shut him up. And no matter what a powerful force a person may be, it is not always possible to cloak oneself in an impenetrable form of protection, especially since he's always so exposed. This does not make him spiritually weak.

The fact that he continues to deliver his messages in spite of his body's daily complaints makes him spiritually strong.

I am grateful for his presence on the planet. I am a fan!

[therinkydinktink]

The fact that he continues to deliver his messages in spite of his body's daily complaints makes him spiritually strong.



I like the fact he also advertises and sells other authors books via his site.
Says a lot about the man.

[Carmody]

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

But when does dilution .... finally meet 'meaninglessness'?

[jcocks]

I think one day in the near future - much sooner than many of you believe possible - we will honour this fine man with an award for what he has done for humanity.

He is definitely one of the people who come to mind who has done his life's work without reward and without the expectation of one.

[Arrowwind]

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

But when does dilution .... finally meet 'meaninglessness'?


on the other hand the truth can be meaningless when people refuse to listen and respond.
What remains without the unverifiable reptilian story is far from meaningless.
And in our urgent times that story has placed him in the wacko category
for too much of the population who would do well to listen to what is verifiable
and in resistance to that the unverifiable would be resisted too

[Chester]

No one makes a point any better than this obvious master, David Icke... from his e-mail of Friday, September 28 -

... CRAZY IS THE NEW NORMAL

I had a personal experience of this over the last few days when the Japanese video game giant, Sega, blocked the use of an anti-war song at the Wembley Arena that was planned to be part of a call for people to stop killing each other.

This ban was not about money because the financial deal had been agreed and the final paperwork was about to be exchanged. It was apparently stopped by the 'brand manager' of a video game series called, wait for it ... Total War. The reason for this decision was nothing more than personal bias because Sega told us that they did not want 'their' music associated with a 'controversial figure' like me.

When it comes to crazy, inexplicable and bizarre, the very fact that the original writers of a great anti-war song could sell the rights to a multinational corporation for use in a video series called Total War takes some serious beating. But maybe that can be eclipsed by the about-faced bizarreness of the rights holder using this anti-war song in a video game in which war is sold as entertainment while banning the use of the same song to call for peace and reconciliation at an event at which thousands are attending.

And if you want to walk the extremes of bizarreness and Orwellian double-think imagine if the person banning the use of the song in its true context considers the requester 'controversial' while presumably considering himself non-controversial, sane and credible for producing and promoting video games in which simulated mass-murder is presented as a bit of fun and a way to enjoy your leisure time.

But then war itself has become a video game with mindless and moronic uniforms and 'yessirs' killing thousands of people in the Middle and Near East in remotely-controlled drone strikes while sitting at their consoles, joysticks in hand, on the other side of the world - just like the kid in his bedroom playing Total War.

'Hey, kid, you play Total War?

'Sure do.'

'You good at it?'

'Yes sir, got to level one.'

'You wanna job?

[Christine Breese]

David Icke is right on, I have met him, he's not in it for the money, he would be doing this even if he didn't make money. I have checked out his energy field and he's in this for the right reasons.

[Finefeather]

David Icke is right on, I have met him, he's not in it for the money, he would be doing this even if he didn't make money. I have checked out his energy field and he's in this for the right reasons.
Hi Christine
First...I am not debating the authenticity of David Icke here.

Interesting statement you make here. You say you "checked out his energy field"...I would be interested to know what energy field you checked out to determine this.
To get an idea of someone's intention you will need to look at the 2 levels of his/her aura, that would be the emotional and the mental sheath. Then you will need to weigh up the areas around the head, heart and the solar area. I have found that it is almost impossible to get any definite status of a person's intention or reasoning in this way because the emotional/mental aura changes by the second and even the setting you are in can change your general aura. I have seen peoples aura change completely during brief periods depending on who they are with etc. I have also seen, what might be classed as a more compassionate aura, around criminals and people who are supposedly dark. I have come to the conclusion that what we may term a 'bad' person and what we term a 'good' person can have very similar auras because both may see their intention as being for the good of those around him/her.
I have therefore reverted to intuition and some help from a few friends I work with on the inner planes to determine the true intention of a person I need to work with. The reality is that we incarnate for such, often bizarre reasons, that we, as the casual onlooker cannot judge whether another is really 'good' or 'bad', because that destinction depends on our individual idea of what is good for someone and or what is bad for someone. As the saying goes, What is good for one person is not always good for another.
Love to all
Ray

[Warlock]

Until he proves otherwise, yes.

Warlock

[apokalypse]

L-HWAPmGvR8

Icke is truly genuine guy and he's right... as i watch that video he really open my mind even more about Labels and the system. Now i started to agree with contactees that the ET's saying we have issue always labeling things. Doesn't matter who he is but use your Filter to filter take what you think is right but with Icke over 70% so far that resonate with me.

i think we need more of event like that having a Sheep/skeptics discussion with guys like Icke. i always get same type of views and question like what Icke get in that video.

I'm still at very young age simply 2 years old in Awakening and Awareness but with guys like Icke simple old dude. i believe you really need to be awake to really understand what he talking about, before the wake up call he never connected with me.

[observer]

I draw the member's attention to a thread started back in the Fall of 2010:


This Thread was started because all of the 'naysayers' who come onto this Forum and make uninformed comments need to hear the words from the man himself. One cannot express more eloquently what David Icke says in this Freeman interview:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j-5kt8xfi8

This Thread is dedicated to the honor of the founders of this Forum and to all of those who work tirelessly to keep the Forum alive....

Please review the entire thread (it's a short one), and follow some of the links in comment #13. If one is going to attempt to debunk an individual, at least inform yourself of what that individual is about....

[GlassSteagallfan]

I like Icke

[Moz]

Dear All,
I think that his work is very relevant because he tries to give a global view of what is going on... and that is not easy with all the dis-information available.
If you try to do this you will get some things wrong, but that does NOT undermine his work at all.
I think he is a positive force and I for one take his statements under consideration.

Hug to all,
Moz

[ThePythonicCow]

I like Icke

http://www.hakes.com/product_images/14/38310/001_small.jpg

(a silly reference to US President Dwight D. "Ike" Eisenhower)

[Sierra]

I like Icke

http://www.hakes.com/product_images/14/38310/001_small.jpg

(a silly reference to US President Dwight D. "Ike" Eisenhower)

Oh my goodness! I had the same response! Our age is showing lol.

[AwakeInADream]

So that's why Harrison Ford said "I Like Icke" in the last Indiana Jones film! I thought he was talking about David Icke. Silly me.:o

[Chris Gilbert]

David Icke is right on, I have met him, he's not in it for the money, he would be doing this even if he didn't make money. I have checked out his energy field and he's in this for the right reasons.
Hi Christine
First...I am not debating the authenticity of David Icke here.

Interesting statement you make here. You say you "checked out his energy field"...I would be interested to know what energy field you checked out to determine this.
To get an idea of someone's intention you will need to look at the 2 levels of his/her aura, that would be the emotional and the mental sheath. Then you will need to weigh up the areas around the head, heart and the solar area. I have found that it is almost impossible to get any definite status of a person's intention or reasoning in this way because the emotional/mental aura changes by the second and even the setting you are in can change your general aura. I have seen peoples aura change completely during brief periods depending on who they are with etc. I have also seen, what might be classed as a more compassionate aura, around criminals and people who are supposedly dark. I have come to the conclusion that what we may term a 'bad' person and what we term a 'good' person can have very similar auras because both may see their intention as being for the good of those around him/her.


I agree in many respects. I have also noticed that when one searches deeper it can often become aparent that a person's emotional or subconscious reason for doing something may be different from the mental reason they've rationalized to protect their conscience.

[Daren]

I started my waking up more with Bill Cooper and Jordan Maxwell and I had a fear of posting comments on places like youtube, which was over come by seeing videos of young Birmingham chap called Darren pollard. Now I find my self going to see David Icke At Wembley. So at different stages of waking up, we all need different types of info and take bits of info from every one we meet. It is very strange that every time. I was looking for some info or had asked the universe a question Bill Ryan would some how have asked the same question or did ask it with Kerry in many of there videos. I am at a stage when some times I feel bill Ryan is reading my mind. I now find David Icke is moving me more from the material thinking into dimensional Thinking. I am going to meet very Important people at the David Icke Wembley meet up and that will be every one.
I hope I see you there.

[Ry.com]

yep I totally get what you mean.im 50/50 if there is 12 foot reptille aliens taking over world,why not just kill him and then the resistense is over. simple. now if there is aliens controlling world.what is he doing geting rich over it for.
either way hes got more money than me or you

[New Dawn]

Daivd Icke definitely believes what he is saying IMO, doesn't mean he's right, but his agenda is to get to the truth.

[Chester]

yep I totally get what you mean.im 50/50 if there is 12 foot reptille aliens taking over world,why not just kill him and then the resistense is over. simple. now if there is aliens controlling world.what is he doing geting rich over it for.
either way hes got more money than me or you

No one is broker than me on the entire planet by the way. Does this make me "truth lord" over earth? One could derive that possibility based on your above correlation.

Now I know I am not the king of this planet so I wouldn't worry too much... but there's no way there is serious correlation between someone's relative wealth (realize he lives on a UK island and must somehow meet his basic, human needs - surely one can tell from your flag you are likely aware of the costs of living there) and the degree of truth and/or valid opinion that may come forth in their presentations.

Please, Ry.com... go back in this thread and find the video tour of David's quite humble apartment then consider to reconsider.

Icke is our friend and a teamate.

Love to You and Thanks for Joining Avalon, Cheers, justoneman

[Michelle Marie]

very curious as to how members on here think of this guy?

everything he does just seems to make more money for him, and everything he does is geared towards making money.

genuine or not



1) Personal friend.
2) Yes, I trust him to a very high degree.
3) He is not interested in making money (apart from to continue his work and to continue to fight various ongoing court cases) -- and does not live an extravagant life in any way.

1) Friend in Christ Consciousness - has sacrificed much for humanity
2) Yes, I trust what Truth resonates with me - I trust him insofar that his character is exemplary as a paradigm pioneer
3) I'm very alert to the purity of intent - People made fun of him, and he kept on. He simplified his own life. He has brought MUCH truth to light.

He has helped me personally, and I honor him for his service to humanity.
You can tell him I said so, Bill.

Lots of love,
MichelleMarie

[Shaman]

I started my waking up more with Bill Cooper and Jordan Maxwell and I had a fear of posting comments on places like youtube, which was over come by seeing videos of young Birmingham chap called Darren pollard. Now I find my self going to see David Icke At Wembley. So at different stages of waking up, we all need different types of info and take bits of info from every one we meet. It is very strange that every time. I was looking for some info or had asked the universe a question Bill Ryan would some how have asked the same question or did ask it with Kerry in many of there videos. I am at a stage when some times I feel bill Ryan is reading my mind. I now find David Icke is moving me more from the material thinking into dimensional Thinking. I am going to meet very Important people at the David Icke Wembley meet up and that will be every one.
I hope I see you there.

This is my first post reply and although i am in my early stage of awakening , the light was switched on for me when i read several of Davids books and looked at how he forged ahead despite personal riddicule. I have a lot of respect for this man in standing up for what he believes in and helping others realise that the truth is all about Love.
I was not going to be able to attend Wembley but Synchronicity has lead me to be in London that weekend and i had completely forgotton about it until i read your post and i remembered and now must attend.
Thanks and love to all who have inspired me further in Avalon

[nizkri]

Watch with open mind , im not trying to discredit anybody , but the maker of the video is right about ,, NWO/Illuminiati , has infiltrated every big religion or movement through time , why not now , and why not these big freedom/truth movements thats around
personally i have never resonated with Alex Jones im 100 % hes a disinfo, not sure about icke , but defitnely interesting video , please watch . ,and comment

Love .. NIS

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[cheez_2806]

Thank you for this post,

I thought about that too but it is difficult to differentiate between what is true info and what is not...as some information may be suited for some people and where as some information may not...so there is a difference in how we interpret the info and what it means to each of us individually..
so like at the moment what is true and what is not true information is sort of still ambiguous on the individual level thus the ultimate truth or bigger picture may differ on a individual level as well....so it's not just difficult but also quiet disturbing when you think about all that information that's out there..

**edit**
But yeh, alex's information.....well i did subscribe his channel and I tend to be affect by his emotional way of presenting the information so I don't really watch his videos as much but rather pick information I'm interested in which in turn, is not a good way of research but I'm sure sometimes the process maybe both conscious or unconscious for people...

[Fred Steeves]

Hey, I've been exposed too, just waiting for the documentary to take shape, or the crushing hand of karma.(LOL) Why don't we just get this exposure thing over with, so that we're all standing naked and exposed before our peers. Once the scrutinizing of faults, failures, short comings, and physical blemishes, by those in charge of judgement is complete, we can have us a little party to celebrate a job well done. http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Cheers,
Fred

[norman]

This sort of issue comes up on a fairly regular basis and I always find myself gasping for fresh air.

It's a fine line between cross referencing the signals and multiplying the noise.

Then there's the fact nobody, however well intentioned, is perfect.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Well, I have a gift. I know when a man is honest just by looking at him; like this, instantly.

I believe Icke is a honest man, unlikely other guys in the alternative media...I wont name names here, but you probably know who I´m talking about.

I´m not saying he´s telling the truth, but I´m 99% sure that he believes in what he preaches.

Personally, I think he´s right about many things, besides this reptilian stuff. He keeps calling everyone reptilian, while in fact there´s no evidence of the existence of reptilians at all; not a single piece of evidence.

I might be wrong, of course, but I think he´s a honest man and he´s not in this business just for money, fame or any other selfish reason.

Raf.

[TargeT]

I don't see how Icke is wrong in this, I think the author of that video (which I cant see, blocked from work, but I imagine it's from that Christian guy that says David steals from the illuminati book) is not paying attention to his own facts.

If the Illuminati think that we are going to be upgraded by the SUN, well So do the Mayans apparently, (The SPark from the Suns big brother etc..) the triple sun alightment certainly WILL do something to us, I do not discount illuminati beliefs outright, I simply disagree with the groups that have been labeled illuminati and their actions, perhaps "illumination" was a good thing that has been infiltrated and Co-OP'ed (as almost all "good" things seem to be).

I do not see this as a "debunking" of Icke at all, & thought the video was actually pretty interesting (if its the one I think it is, see first comment).

Don't be prejudice against the Illuminati, there are lessons to be learned in Everything; I have read up on Satanism & Lusifarianism & learned much from there, learning does not mean supporting or 100% agreeing, do not limit yourself!

[ThePythonicCow]

A few fragments of text, image and innuendo, glued together with silently presented text on screen and god awful background noise pretending to be some sort of ominous electronic music I suppose.

If there is any truth buried in this two year old hit piece, it is entirely obscured by the "hit piece" style.

Yuck.

[ThePythonicCow]

... I think the author of that video (which I cant see, blocked from work, but I imagine it's from that Christian guy that says David steals from the illuminati book) is not paying attention to his own facts.


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I do not see this as a "debunking" of Icke at all, & thought the video was actually pretty interesting (if its the one I think it is, see first comment).
I did not notice any mention of "Icke stealing the Illuminati book" in what I viewed, but I could only tolerate a couple minutes of it :).

[RUSirius]

David is honest, this I know, I think most of what he says is right, even if they are not reptiles as he thinks, they certainly have alot of non-human characteristics

[modwiz]

:bad: :bad: :bad:

I like Icke.

[nizkri]

It is not just about (David Icke Exposed ,) im just concerned with the big leaders all over , they are master manipulaters and good speakers , david icke is an very charismatic man , and that alone is gonna decieve us, if hes not what he says he is , just saying , dont trust everobody just because theyre speakin the truth ,, always have the filter on , observe and judge , dont just bow your head to anything that sounds right in your ears ,, TPTB still have ultimate control even though we are awake , and sure they can infiltrate ho they want ,, and sure they are doing it ,,

[apokalypse]

didn't we go over this before?

[Vitalux]

... I think the author of that video (which I cant see, blocked from work, but I imagine it's from that Christian guy that says David steals from the illuminati book) is not paying attention to his own facts.


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I do not see this as a "debunking" of Icke at all, & thought the video was actually pretty interesting (if its the one I think it is, see first comment).
I did not notice any mention of "Icke stealing the Illuminati book" in what I viewed, but I could only tolerate a couple minutes of it :).

You have got a sharp eye and retention for facts and detail.
I have to admit, you got me on the tidal lock about the moon. I went back and studied it, and agree with your statements.
Just did not want to kick back an old thread....sort of wanted it to die in peace...but take the opportunity somewhere to let ya know I grew a bit wiser thanks to your input.

David Icke is ok, in my books. Sometimes he comes off a bit squirrley
https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/9/20/bRYMOrtm4kqzRo4iZK3kxg2.gif

But I believe he is passionate and believes what he preaches.
To search for truth is a good thing. :peep:

[ThePythonicCow]

didn't we go over this before?

We've dealt with Icke debunking before, but my search of the forum did not find prior discussion of this particular Youtube video.

[TargeT]

... I think the author of that video (which I cant see, blocked from work, but I imagine it's from that Christian guy that says David steals from the illuminati book) is not paying attention to his own facts.


...
I do not see this as a "debunking" of Icke at all, & thought the video was actually pretty interesting (if its the one I think it is, see first comment).
I did not notice any mention of "Icke stealing the Illuminati book" in what I viewed, but I could only tolerate a couple minutes of it :).


I ASSumed I knew the video ( I was wrong) all my comments about this video are null & void... (just pulled out my Ipad to check what the videos were... OOPS!)

I was refering to the (chriss white I think?) David Icke "debunked" 2.5 hour video which had MUCH better presentation quality & actually a lot of info I was glad to watch for (even if I completely diss-agreed with Mr White)

Mr White says that David Icke's big influence is an originator of Illuminatism, and thus he was "stealing from the Illuminati book" while at the same time labeling them as the root of all evil (or some such, the details didn't stick with me very well, it sounded like a biased point of view)

[RMorgan]

Hey, I've been exposed too, just waiting for the documentary to take shape, or the crushing hand of karma.(LOL) Why don't we just get this exposure thing over with, so that we're all standing naked and exposed before our peers. Once the scrutinizing of faults, failures, short comings, and physical blemishes, by those in charge of judgement is complete, we can have us a little party to celebrate a job well done. http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

Cheers,
Fred

Don´t need to wait anymore, Fred.

Here´s the documentary, Fred Steeves exposed.

Fred is an undercover KGB agent, known as Mr.Trololo:

oavMtUWDBTM

LOL

[Arpheus]

Ahh look at the top banner of this website its the sun rising over the earth,thats bigtime illuminati/freemason symbolism,but seriously tho,those videos do make you wonder,heck maybe everything has been infiltrated at this point,i will say this tho if your doing something right and truely exposing all the nasty stuff you surely wouldnt be alive at this point,imo those videos offer some serious food for thought!!

[apokalypse]

didn't we go over this before?

We've dealt with Icke debunking before, but my search of the forum did not find prior discussion of this particular Youtube video.

i think you should merge this thread with http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50188-David-Icke-do-you-trust-him-or-not

[ghostrider]

If you read the contact notes of Billy Meier, Ptaah spills the beans on who is for real, and who is just making money. Everything I've read , Ptaah is correct, things from the 1970's confirmed twenty or thirty years later it happens just as he said it would. It puts all the nonsense to rest.

[Bill Ryan]

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Jeez... don't we have anything better to talk about? :)

I know this guy, and count him as a personal friend. The more people come out who say they believe David Icke is controlled or is a Freemason, the more I start to think we may deserve anything that might happen to us as an alternative community.

We may not be smart enough to win this game if we're so easily, so confused.

[Gardener]

Yup, with regular monotony!
Same old drama, same old music-over, there is always someone ready to trash him, the usual cointelpro bunch!
Icke is a straight up guy, I like him a lot.

didn't we go over this before?

[Hip Hipnotist]

When is Bill Ryan gonna be exposed?

That's what I wanna know.

Hey, Bill -- take off your hat!! ;-))

[ThePythonicCow]

i think you should merge this thread with http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50188-David-Icke-do-you-trust-him-or-not
Good idea. Done. Enough of this nonsense for one day.

[nizkri]

Hey Bill and All of you <3 , to point it out again , im not debunking david icke , i myself is a big fan , bin to several of hes seminars , i was just trying to make a point about , not fully believing anyone just because , of their supreme power to talk.
there is a lie on every level of the truth ,
respect to David And Bill for your work , i appreciate

[ThePythonicCow]

Hey Bill and All of you <3 , to point it out again , im not debunking david icke , i myself is a big fan , bin to several of hes seminars , i was just trying to make a point about , not fully believing anyone just because , of their supreme power to talk.
there is a lie on every level of the truth ,
respect to David And Bill for your work , i appreciate
Ok - though the opening video and thread title had a different affect, as you can see now.

[apokalypse]

i believe Icke is genuine guy but just his style or the way he present information, i watched his lecture few times and i fall asleep or bored. you really need to understand the information before watch his lecture. during my first few months of wake up call that got me into alternative media i did find Icke load of crap but after going through pieces of information i find so many stuff Icke talked about is spot on. now i'm Icke Fan and all of his interviews is on my Mp3 playlist.

[nizkri]

One thing i dont under stand about David . ALex etc. if they are not in it for the money , why are they using a maketing scheme with the prices like -
Example -

Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion
What is ‘mind’ and ‘emotion’ and why do they control us? Who created religion and what are its …
£12.95
12.95 why just not 13 ,, doesnt seem right , and he of all should now


very curious as to how members on here think of this guy?

everything he does just seems to make more money for him, and everything he does is geared towards making money.

genuine or not



1) Personal friend.
2) Yes, I trust him to a very high degree.
3) He is not interested in making money (apart from to continue his work and to continue to fight various ongoing court cases) -- and does not live an extravagant life in any way.

[nizkri]

thats why i made an ?
Davis Icke Exposed ?
it was an open question/ dialog ,
but i can see most of you hardcore fans get pissed
why?
i was only trying to make the debate about not trusting anybody because of there charismatic personality..
do you believe fully in everobody just because it sounds right ?
I should have made the thread called . Do you think that TPTB have infiltrated , the truth movement , , do you think there is disinfo agents out there ?? ofcourse there is
we should start worring a little bit about that , they willl always be many steps ahead of us , both with technoygy and everithing else , why should they have accepted the internet if they knew how it could evolve .. just saying mate ...
and sorry to anyone of you if you feeled i debunked one of your ''prophets'' that was not my intention as i said


Hey Bill and All of you <3 , to point it out again , im not debunking david icke , i myself is a big fan , bin to several of hes seminars , i was just trying to make a point about , not fully believing anyone just because , of their supreme power to talk.
there is a lie on every level of the truth ,
respect to David And Bill for your work , i appreciate
Ok - though the opening video and thread title had a different affect, as you can see now.

[ThePythonicCow]

One thing i dont under stand about David . ALex etc. if they are not in it for the money , why are they using a maketing scheme with the prices like -
I'm closing this thread for a couple hours, while I run some errands. Sort of like throwing a bucket of cold water on a couple of dogs in heat :).

We've already covered that faux criticism of Icke and others over and over. That you would ask now makes me doubt your stated purpose for opening this latest version of this perennial thread (as merged above in the last page or two.)

[davewhite04]

... well I don't know exactly why, but I did start a thread asking for an update on his Voice broadcast(I donated £20). He seemingly is not refunding 300k (£ not $, ALOT of money) and banned me for asking for an update. Every member on his site seem hypnotized as no one else cared, they actually give ideas on how David could make more money!!!!

Anyone here got a refund?

This has proven to me that he cannot be trusted at all, and that this site is the only site I visit from time to time that will allow me to express my views and get involved in threads.

Kudos to Bill, keep up the good work man.

[Flash]

You got to be clearer. I do not understand. You started a thread asking for updates on the broadcast station, then you are talking about refund. Then you say he does not refund 300k in pounds. Something does not drive here, those 300k were donations weren't they? Why should he have to refund them?

Were you banned for asking for refund or for asking for an update?

I would very much like to read the posts you wrote ont that thread you started. If they are as confusing as the 3 paragraphs you wrote here, I understand that you may have been easily misinterpreted.

Or were you agressively asking for refund for everybody who gave?

I have seen lots of very agressive people on David's forum and they are not very often thrown out. So what happened exactly?

[ThePythonicCow]

... well I don't know exactly why, but ...


You got to be clearer ...
I merged this thread in with the one you started a year ago attacking David Icke.

This thread is now closed.