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Cidersomerset

12th October 2012, 21:18

Yes this was on David Ickes site earlier ....

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/savile_newsletterpromo.jpg

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

I was first told about the real Jimmy Savile in the late 1990s in conversations with people who had serious insider knowledge about the British royal family and they said that Savile had been a close friend of Prince Philip until they had fallen out after a ‘big row’.

When I questioned why someone like Savile would be so close to the royal family I was told about his paedophilia and necrophilia (sex with dead bodies) and, of course, his famous voluntary work at hospitals would have given him potential access to the mortuaries.

Savile himself would boast about his connections to the royals and it was publicly acknowledged that he was a regular visitor to Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace (where Princess Diana lived after her marriage ended with Prince Charles), and Highgrove (the country estate of Prince Charles).

Savile told Esquire: ‘The thing about me is I get things done and I work deep cover. I’ve known the Royal Family for a million years.’

According to the UK Daily Mail at the time of Savile’s death in 2011, he ‘was used as an intermediary in an attempt to resolve the differences between the Prince and Princess of Wales shortly before their split’. Savile said that he was invited to regular meetings with the royal family because ‘I have a natural good fun way of going on and we have a laugh.’

Would one of the world’s most powerful families invite an aging disc jockey into their inner sanctum so often just because he gave them ‘a good laugh’? Or is there likely to be a far more plausible reason for their strange closeness?

I have been writing since the 1990s and a book called The Biggest Secret about the royal family's connection to Satanism and paedophilia and about paedophile Satanists like British Prime Minister Edward Heath and President 'Father' George Bush - just as I have told those who would listen about Jimmy Savile. But all I have had for my trouble from mainstream society is ridicule and dismissal. Their minds are too closed and programmed to make the leap into the world as it really is.

Now, in the wake of the public confirmation about Savile, it is time that they did. How many more children need to suffer before humanity grows up and faces the reality and sheer undiluted evil of the force that controls them?

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/savile_princecharles.jpg

Cidersomerset

12th October 2012, 21:26

Also from his site a article from the Independent...

Why did nobody stop Savile?

Witnesses claim late TV presenter molested children at hospitals
Paul Peachey , Ian Herbert

Friday 12 October 2012

The Jimmy Savile child sex abuse inquiry was expanding last night into a wider scandal enveloping the public sector as new witnesses came forward to claim that the late presenter molested children at hospitals with the apparent knowledge of staff.

An MP demanded an independent inquiry as fresh allegations about Savile raised questions for three hospitals, the BBC, the Crown Prosecution Service and the police about the extent of their knowledge of historic child sex abuse claims. The three hospitals – Stoke Mandeville, Leeds General Infirmary, and Broadmoor – all said that they had not received complaints about Savile until after the screening last week of the ITV documentary that interviewed victims.

Stoke Mandeville Hospital faced demands for an independent public inquiry following claims that staff encouraged child patients to pretend to be asleep before Savile made his ward rounds because of fears that he could molest them.

The Conservative MP Rob Wilson said he had received a raft of new allegations, including suggestions that hospital chaplains mentioned Savile's "scandalous" behaviour 25 years ago. Questions have been raised that management at several hospitals turned a blind eye to his activities because of his prolific fundraising efforts.

It emerged yesterday that Jimmy Savile and his charity fundraisers were given their own room at Stoke Mandeville Hospital until he died last year at the age of 84.

However, in a letter to the hospital, Mr Wilson said there were claims that management and nurses were aware of suspicions about his behaviour and "little meaningful action was taken to protect the extremely vulnerable children and young people at the hospital from such horrific behaviour.

"We can now see evidence developing that not just the BBC is involved in this – we now have parts of the NHS, the Crown Prosecution Service and some are even suggesting the police have some questions to answer," Mr Wilson told BBC Radio 4.

He called for an independent inquiry at the hospital. "Who knew girls were being abused? When did they know? Who did they tell? Why wasn't it recorded? Did bosses fail to act because of concern over charity money that was coming in?"

In a statement, the Buckinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust, which runs the hospital, said: "At this stage in the proceedings it would not be appropriate for us to conduct our own internal investigation. However we have been contacted by the police this week and are supporting them fully with their inquiries. If their findings suggest that we do need to take further action then we will do so."

Scotland Yard said earlier this week that its inquiry into Savile was on a "national scale" and it had recorded two allegations of rape and six of indecent assault with the number of victims expected to rise to around 30.

The allegations dated back to 1959 and information already received by the inquiry team working on Operation Yewtree suggested that he had a "predilection" for girls aged 13 to 16. Ten police forces have now received allegations of abuse.

Action could be taken against other celebrities, fixers or procurers of girls for Savile if they remain alive, but the indications are that he operated alone. Witnesses have made allegations of abuse against Gary Glitter inside Savile's dressing room. The comedian Freddie Starr has said he will fight allegations that he tried to molest a girl there when she was aged 14.

The scandal promises further embarrassment for the Corporation after one of the ITV documentary makers said at the weekend that a BBC soap star had also been named during the making of the programme.

The BBC has announced that it will hold its own independent inquiry after the police investigation is concluded with a report expected by the end of next month.

A Newsnight team discovered 10 alleged victims of Savile but the project was shelved for "editorial reasons" according to the Corporation.

Savile was interviewed by police in 2007 over allegations of abuse at a now-closed Surrey school and a file was passed to the CPS but no charges were laid against him. It also emerged that Savile's name was mentioned during an inquiry into abuse at the Haut de la Garenne children's home in Jersey, but he was never questioned.

Scenes of abuse? Claims against Savile

Stoke Mandeville

Savile had a flat at the hospital for which he raised more than £40m. Claims emerged yesterday that he molested patients despite the hospital authorities saying they had not previously received any reports of abuse. Nurses are reported to have told children to pretend to be asleep when he toured the wards. Caroline Moore claimed she was assaulted by Savile when she was 13 while she was being treated for spinal injuries. "I was outside a ward or a gym and he came out and just rammed his tongue down my throat," Mrs Moore told BBC Radio Scotland.

The hospital confirmed yesterday that Savile was given a room at the hospital until his death last year.

The BBC

A woman claimed she saw Savile and the convicted paedophile Gary Glitter both sexually abuse under-age girls in his dressing room at BBC Television Centre. Karin Ward, who spoke to an ITV documentary team, first gave her account to BBC Newsnight but the feature was pulled for "editorial reasons". Lord Patten, chairman of the BBC Trust, promised an independent inquiry.

Leeds General Infirmary

Savile had a lifelong association with the hospital where he was a volunteer fund-raiser and worked as a porter. The hospital said it had received two complaints since the allegations first came to light. June Thornton, a patient in 1972, said she saw Savile abuse someone she thought was a brain-damaged girl. "He started rubbing his hands down her arms and then… he molested her. He helped himself. She just sat there and couldn't do anything about it," she told ITV News.

Broadmoor

Savile was accused of assaulting young patients inside his mobile home in the grounds of Broadmoor Hospital where he worked as a volunteer. A former patient told The Sun that Savile groped her while she was watching television with other girls in the late 1960s. The woman, Alison Pink, now known as Steven after a sex-change operation, told the newspaper: "We were all big fans of Top Of The Pops... When you were told to clean Jimmy's caravan you knew you didn't need to take a dustpan and brush."

A spokesman for West London Mental Health NHS Trust, which has run the hospital since 2001, said: "There has never been any complaint to management in the last 11 years."

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Savile was questioned by police in 2007 over allegations of child abuse in the 1970s at the now-closed school for girls. A file was passed to the Crown Prosecution Service which advised there was insufficient evidence to take any further action.

Haut de la Garenne children's home, Jersey

The police officer at the head of the Jersey child abuse allegation said he suspected Savile was involved in the abuse scandal there, but there were no allegations made against him. A handful of residents have now made allegations against Savile.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/why-did-nobody-stop-savile-8208092.html

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I've got to be up 5.00am for work, so see you tommorrow ..Goodnight all !!

pugwash84

12th October 2012, 22:09

This is disgusting

In the 1972 New Year Honours, he was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE),[54] which he always subsequently appended to his signature.
He was awarded an honorary green beret by the Royal Marines in the 1970s for being one of only three civilians to date to complete the Royal Marine Commando speed march, 30 miles across Dartmoor carrying 30 lb of kit.[55] The other civilians were former Blue Peter presenter Gethin Jones and film maker Chris Terrill.
In the 1990 Queen's Birthday Honours he was knighted "for charitable services".[56] After the allegations of sexual abuse by Savile were published, British Prime Minister David Cameron indicated in October 2012 that it would be possible for this honour to be rescinded by the Honours Forfeiture Committee.[57]
Also in 1990 he was honoured by Pope John Paul II with a Papal knighthood making him a Knight Commander of the Order of Saint Gregory the Great (KCSG).[58] It was reported in October 2012 that the Roman Catholic Church is considering stripping Savile of the honour.[59]
He held an honorary doctorate of law (LLD) from the University of Leeds.[60]
He was an honorary fellow of the Royal College of Radiologists (FRCR).[61]
He had the Cross of Merit of the Order pro merito Melitensi.[62]
He was a Freeman of the Borough of Scarborough.[63]

all those people he must have worked with and it has only just come out now, somebody must have been covering up for him or something.

Savile was found dead at his home in Roundhay, Leeds, on 29 October 2011, two days short of his 85th birthday.[64][65] He had recently been in hospital with pneumonia, and his death was not treated as suspicious.[64] His closed satin gold coffin was displayed at the Queens Hotel in Leeds,[66][67] together with the last cigar he smoked and his two This Is Your Life books.[68] About 4,000 people visited to pay tribute.[69] His funeral took place at Leeds Cathedral on 9 November 2011,[70] and he was buried at Woodlands Cemetery in Scarborough.[71][72] As his will had specified, his coffin was inclined at 45 degrees to fulfil his wish to "see the sea".

seems odd also that he would want a 45 degree angle to see the sea if he is dead too.
It all seems odd to me and a lot of people who he hurt suddenly all have a voice at the same time like some how the press was keeping them silent until he died.
It's just so sad. xxx

Fred Ryan

12th October 2012, 23:26

I'm totally confused. The BBC report seems to be saying that a DJ was given free range and ultimately put in charge of a government psychiatric hospital. This DJ, who had no medical and/or psychiatric training, used his position to sexually abuse underage patients. He was also given access to several other psychiatric facilities in which he molested an untold number of children.

This can't be true. I have to be missing something.

mahalall

13th October 2012, 00:14

"Haut de la Garenne children's home, Jersey. The police officer at the head of the Jersey child abuse allegation said he suspected Savile was involved in the abuse scandal there, but there were no allegations made against him. A handful of residents have now made allegations against Savile" Cidersomerset

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Ellisa

13th October 2012, 00:17

This is a horrible situation. What a disgusting man he has been revealed to be, and seemingly not a whisper before his death--- which was apparently much mourned as he was a man who had been given many honours and appeared to be friends, not only of the people, but also of the highest in the land. The worst part is the incredible level of betrayed trust, from children to the population at large who all thought he was a genuine worker for good.

He was not very famous outside of the UK I think, possibly because he had not got the support he needed to continue his lifestyle away from his coterie of people in authority. Interestingly a popular actor from Australia has recently been extradited to face similar charges. He had left Australia when the investigations started here. Did he know of a more accepting group in existence in the UK?

I could be accused of having 20/20 hindsight if I commented that I always thought Jimmy was a bit creepy--- but I thought that was my own prejudice at work!

How much more will emerge? I suggest not much! There will be a lot of covering up and document shredding (plus its equivalent on the Internet)- However it is more difficult to hide things now. Secrecy is no longer the default position!

Fred Ryan

13th October 2012, 00:24

Okay, I just finished watching the other videos posted above and am even more confused. When I first saw this story I figured this guy was a sociopath who used charm and manipulation to fool people. However, after watching the last video above, I realize that he was an obnoxious lunatic with some sort of an untreated bipolar disorder. Frankly, after watching this video for five minutes I found him so obnoxious I had turn it off.

So the question becomes, how was an obnoxious lunatic with no medical and/or psychiatric training given free range of several mental hospitals from where he was able to sexual abuse underage girls?

Ellisa

13th October 2012, 00:34

He obviously knew where the bodies were buried!

I agree with you about the videos, Fred--- He seems borderline psychotic and it was so discomforting that I could only watch it for a short time too.

This man was on TV! He had a wildly successful show! He was made a 'sir'!

He MUST have known something!

mahalall

13th October 2012, 01:19

Jimmy Saville as a porter (volunteer) at Leeds General Hospital. (So proud was the hospital of Saville's presence in it's mist that they named the hospital Jimmy's). Putting to side the accusations of Mr Saville's interests and access to the mortuary! he was often found creeping around the nurses accomodation and much to the now Chief Executives nightmare he
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Leeds hospital had two sites and although he was based at the main hospital site he would often travel at strange hours of the day to both sites. (Any nurse who works in the north of england will tell you this)
During the 70's-80's a number of women were being murdered in the Leeds/Bradford area. As part of the investigations the police interviewed Mr Saville (profiling!) It was Peter Sutcliffe who in 1981 was convicted of murdering 13 women and attempting to murder seven others. He is currently serving 20 sentences of life imprisonment in Broadmoor High Security hospital. Jimmy Saville happened to also have access to this high security hospital. In this account Jimmy meets peter
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As to how Mr Saville was able to park up his tourer/RV and work at this hospitals,
West London Mental Health NHS Trust, which now manages Broadmoor Hospital, said that the allegations relate to a time when the hospital was isolated from the wider trust. "Procedures and protocols, notably security arrangements, have changed significantly in the past decade to reflect that different culture," the trust said in a statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe
http://www.channel4.com/news/broadmoor-patients-perfect-victims-for-savile-abuse

SKIBADABOMSKI

13th October 2012, 01:35

I knew this years ago.. My mum knew Jimmy and I met him and straight away I could see he was one of those guys. I met many like him. Now I think back he had a ring of friends that my mum used to know. All DJs, I bet Keith Chegwin is pretty nervous now. To be honest the UK would be seriously embarrassed and shocked to know how many of the celebs from years gone by that would spread out their feathers like a peacock in public and people would turn a blind eye.

I think this will unravel many other secrets from other celebs. Now they'll be congregating and shuffling money around and basically crapping it. They'll maybe throw as much crap as they can at Jimmy then when it gets too deep they'll reveal another. They have several decks of cards and each one will be profitable from now on.

It's a who will survive game now.

Aha !! thats where Glitter gets his money. One of the king pins there got well and truly busted.

It's about time 1 percent of this HUGE scenario got out. And Jimmy's just 0.0001 percent.

mosquito

13th October 2012, 04:18

One of the problems the police will now face is sorting the wheat from the chaff: how many accusations are related to genuine instances of misconduct, and how many are just people jumping on the bandwagon ? We also ought to bear in mind that the term "sexual abuse" is a comparatively new one, and is altogether too vague. Britain of course is one of those places where if you dare to so much as hold a child's hand you will be accused of "abuse". I have no doubt whatsoever that a large number of the girls he saw in his dressing room were there because they wanted to be, and they were more than willing to have a fling with such a celebrity. Did he know some of them were under-age ? Who knows, but I'm equally certain that they would have lied about their ages.

That being said ........ There is clearly enough evidence that he was up to no good. I remember watching "Jim'll Fix it" one day and feeling a shudder go down my spine, he was very creepy.

But my view right now is that this is one massive distraction, what a nice easy target - a dead man. How well it diverts our attention from the systematic, institutionalised abuse of children going on right now. Boy have the police got some work on their hands with this one, but hey-ho, it keeps them from investigating the "elites" doesn't it ? On more than one occasion there have been investigations into wide-spread, organized sexual abuse which have been halted from on-high, much to the frustration of those investifating. If anyone has any contacts serving in the Met. get them to check the records and they'll confirm what I say.

eni-al

13th October 2012, 05:40

I would not be too surprised if he belonged too (if you can 'belong' to such a group) or knew of a syndicate of paedophiles. Of course he would have not had internet access until some years ago (never owned a computer anyway), so all face to face to contact, phone calls etc. Though in all probability any evidence, if it were true, would be long gone by now, in fact evidence of anything would be long gone, all there is are witnesses and victims accounts.

The most that may happen is possible proceedings against staff at hospitals and such and payouts to the victims. And Jimmy Savile's reputation is pretty much gone, was a charity fund-raiser, given a lot of media attention, now lies in a unmarked grave.

learninglight

13th October 2012, 06:50

Bill Maloney has been trying to get this info and more out for ages very very brave man

This site is full of info, CAREFUL...disturbing info but needs to get out

http://www.pienmashfilms.com/page21.htm

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Taurean

13th October 2012, 09:43

Maybe he thought he was bullet proof because of his connections to Royalty, Politicians & Freemasonary.

My question is why bring it all to the surface now ? --- there's a bigger picture to figure out here.

mahalall

13th October 2012, 20:16

"My question is why bring it all to the surface now ? --- there's a bigger picture to figure out here" Taurean

Such abhorrent behaviour is it like a parasitic infection that has to be released before a healthy state can exist.
The difficult thing is this parasite goes to core of the state.

With the BBC reporting yesterday that police investigators view Savile as only a small character in the Jersey Island ring. They invite one to question, that they know who the larger characters are.
With the known fact that Savile was had an association to the heads of state of both UK and Israel and with allegations of the previous Prime Minister Edward Health being a costumer of Savile's wares.

Would anyone want to manipulate the state?

Cidersomerset

14th October 2012, 11:43

These couple of vids explains some of the contradictions & rumours before the current exposure

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Published on 1 Oct 2012 by DynamoMor

ChildLine founder Esther Rantzen has said she believes five women who have made sexual abuse allegations against Sir Jimmy Savile and claims there were always rumours about the TV presenter.

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Published on 16 Jun 2012 by spikeyroberto

Jimmy's partner Sue Hymns and niece Amanda McKenna talk about how Jimmy Savile was a great man and all the bad rumours of him after his death are not true..but do not know if he had a love child and wait for DNA results

They comment about the Newsnight being quashed , so someone at the top stopped it then !!

Jimmy is a great contradiction Evil tendancies, but giving aprox 40 million to charity and leaving
his estate to charity as well !!

Cidersomerset

14th October 2012, 11:58

Very Powerfull Documentry showing Jimmys Darker side !! There seems 'No' doubt he had sex with underage girls !!

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Published on 6 Oct 2012 by FULLEHQ

Former detective Mark Williams-Thomas conducts an investigation into allegations that Sir Jimmy Savile sexually abused vulnerable teenage girls.

The QC near the end said there was suffient circustancial evidence to have Jimmy Saville
arrested to answer for his activities !!

Esther Rantzen founder of child line is emotionally shocked at the
testaments of the victims, and says theres no doubt of his guilt !!

Cidersomerset

14th October 2012, 12:52

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This was on last weeks BBC Question Time ,,,,

Published on 4 Oct 2012 by MARROWFAT
Janet Street-Porter accuses the BBC of a cover-up over the rumours/allegations about Jimmy Savile and why she kept quiet herself.

Cidersomerset

14th October 2012, 13:05

This is the public persona of Jimmy Saville, this sums up his public image and the one that all the above allagations contradicts...

Its a hard watch in view of what else is posted on this thread , but worth watching to see his split personality !! and how he got away with It !!

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Published on 4 May 2012 by neilrwilkinson

"A tribute to Sir Jimmy Savile, the eccentric DJ who hosted the legendary Top Of The Pops and Jim'll Fix It.
Includes classic footage and interviews with family and friends."

DevilPigeon

14th October 2012, 13:16

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Having watched the ITV documentary the other night, I may be wrong here, but I felt that Esther Rantzen's response seemed a little 'odd' and false... Did anyone else pick up those vibes...?

Cidersomerset

14th October 2012, 13:42

Having watched the ITV documentary the other night, I may be wrong here, but I felt that Esther Rantzen's response seemed a little 'odd' and false... Did anyone else pick up those vibes...?

I got the feeling she was genuinly shocked from the womens testamonials , but whether she knew more than she was ready to disclose is a possibility !!

Another wierd interview a few years before his death...

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Notice on his job wish list he likes 'Girls' not women a fraudian slip ?

Also he was a traveling 'pirate' so he avoided relationships because the inlaws
would come after him ? Another disguised reference to his molesting !!

Cidersomerset

14th October 2012, 14:42

This is from Fridays 11th Oct 2012 Have I got news for you a political satire show, with some interresting comments !!

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mahalall

14th October 2012, 15:08

One does ponder how a DJ from Yorkshire came to have such a close relationship with prime ministers of Britain. Jimmy Savile used to pride himself on the fact that he would spent Christmas's with Margaret Thatcher. But it his relationship with Sir Edward Heath (Mr Ted) that makes one question did Jimmy have something on them.

Sir Edward, who led Britain from 1970 until 1974, was described during his life as a 'confirmed bachelor' and never commented on his sexuality.
The bachelor, who died two years ago at the age of 89, would go 'cottaging' for gay sex in the 1950s before he was told it could harm his political career, a leading Tory claimed.
Peter Tatchell, of gay rights group OutRage!, said: 'It's a long-standing open secret. It is amazing his sexuality wasn't the subject of tabloid revelations during his lifetime.'
It seems to be when Sir Edward Heath sailed to Jersey that his relationship with Jimmy Savile developed through sharing young boys.
The person bringing children for him to abuse was Sir Jimmy Saville. He was seen by the witness, victim, taking young boys onboard Heaths yacht the morning cloud when they were at party conference. Saville is known for supplying a number of high profile MP’s with children for them to sexually abuse.
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Given the power at play it is understable why the BBC's: The Newsnight editor who quashed the report into Sir Jimmy Savile’s criminal activities was under growing pressure today after failing to appear on his own programme to defend the decision.

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http://www.metro.co.uk/news/46516-former-pm-ted-heath-is-outed#ixzz29Hgo6b8M
http://www.whale.to/c/jersey7.html
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/1603_jersey.shtml
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/growing-pressure-on-the-invisible-man-who-quashed-the-newsnight-report-8209731.html

Cidersomerset

14th October 2012, 15:35

Thanks Mahalall this takes us back into David Ickes and others research and that the elites use children in there 'sexual rites' and that because
most senior posts are run by insiders this 'Secret is kept out of the general public domain....Media editors either complicit or scared off !

The Holly Greg case fits this with the Sherrif jailing the reporter for daring suggest such malpractice !!

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The Judges were a digrace !! protecting the establishment !!

Most paediphiles are Judges, Police chiefs , senior politicians & are people in power !!

According to Brian Gerrish ....

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Robert Green was arrested to get him out the way !!

Brian Gerrish does say things are coming to a head and maybe this Jimmy Saville expose'
may be the catalist !!
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Brian has been trying to expose this for a while !!

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Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...91495242D1DA07

Brian Gerrish makes a return On The Edge with Theo Chalmers, where he discusses the Social Services corruption throughout the United Kingdom, Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

In Britain today, a secret court system is stealing and trafficking peoples children. The author Jack Frost summed it up in his book Gulag of the Family Courts. Other journalists have described it as Child Stealing by the State. When a small community newspaper, the UK Column, was set up in Plymouth to expose massive public sector fraud and corruption, the volunteers had no idea of what was to come. They were shocked at reports of child stealing sent in by parents from across Britain.

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In the beginning it was hard to accept some stories as true. Some mothers and fathers appeared traumatised. Could their claims be believed? And then the first mother with evidence arrived in the UK Column office. Ring files of letters, emails and court documentation. The evidence was overwhelming lies, false evidence, perjury, false psychiatric assessments, kidnapping, psychological pressure, police threats, blatant collusion of defence and prosecution legal teams against the parent, failure to prosecute the perpetrators of medical incompetence and child abuse, and blatant victimisation of the innocent parent the mother.

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Cidersomerset

14th October 2012, 15:49

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Robert Green is now inferring satanic ritual child abuse took place in a number of high profile cases. He says this sort of thing is widespread not only in Aberdeen but also among MPs in london across the political spectrum. (Speaking at the Child Stealing by the State conference in Stoke on Trent - 23.10.11) We must begin to wake up to whats really going on behind closed doors with our poor innocent children who will be damaged for the rest of their lives - this may breed further abuse, may make them heroin addicts, may make them psychotic criminals, murderers or suicidal - only the few survive. Thats exactly what they want but perhaps they couldn't care. It has become apparent that child trafficking by the state is an institutional method controlled by people high up, used to supply a ready source of vulnerable children that can easily be got at for whatever they want. It is time for MPs to do something about it - to sack the corrupt (possibly linked or masonic) judges, to do away with the secret family courts or courts of protection. They want your children - not only to abuse but because it's big money.

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Published on 18 Mar 2012 by meteaumania

Hollie Greig. This Government is the New World Order. David Cameron is Adolf Hitler Reborn. You may think we are ****ting you, watch this film and then decide. Tell everyone you can, if they don't listen go on to the next one. David Camerons Communications Chief, Craig Oliver knows a lot, Google him and his father who was the former Chief Constable of Grampian police, the policing area where Hollie Greig and others were raped by Judges and Police officers.Go Check it now..We have a film depicting this coming soon.

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" THIS SOUNDS FAMILIER !!"

BBC "Spikes" Holly Grieg Story:

In the October 2009 print edition of the UK Column, we reported in our article "BBC Hides Truth of Girl’s Sexual Abuse Ordeal" the shocking ordeal of a girl with Down's Syndrome, Hollie Greig, who was horribly abused by an Aberdeen pedophile ring, over a period of ten years. After investigating and planning a documentary, the BBC abruptly dropped the case, despite admitting that Hollie was a reliable and accurate witness. It is important to stress that both the police and qualified medical experts have described Hollie as a competent and entirely honest witness.

http://moneyteachers.org/BBC-Grieg.htm

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David Icke has done many vids about the case !

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=David+Icke+on+Holly+Greig&qpvt=David+Icke+on+Holly+Greig&FORM=VDRE

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The time is now right for exposure imo as all these criminal exposures over the last decade...
from , MP expences, Banksters, Murdoch press , Hillsborough , Dodgy WMD dossiers
and many other scandels the time is right.....If the good people in places of power can
be persuaded to do the right thing and open this 'Cess pit' wide open !!

Cidersomerset

14th October 2012, 19:47

If anyone listened to the Robert Greens Satanic ritual vid in above post , in the Q & A at the end Robert says he has a list of names of powerfull people
invloved in satanic rituals including two close to the Prime Minister. I presume he means Cameron..

No wonder Richard was jailed under a minor misdemeanor before his court case. The Judge and the establishment are buying time...
I suspect Richards life is in danger !!

http://eyreinternational.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/rcj-protest.jpg?w=700

Robert Green jailed for Breach of Peace & bail conditions

https://www.indymediascotland.org/node/26645

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There is a Sky news team outside the court for the Ryan Giggs ,footballer case about his adultury...
When they talk to the Cameraman theres a interresting exchange and proves
theres no real news. Only headlines and gossip !! Michelle the producer of the two sky
camera crews were not interrested in this case , rather celebrity gossip !!

Taurean

15th October 2012, 05:14

The more this sordid event plays out, and given the timing of it all i.e. in the wake of the Hillsborough enquiry, the relative low level involvement of the Police in the Olympics, the slating of G4S and the use of troops on the street, I'm beginning to wonder if this all about attacking the creditability of the Police, ---- to create public mistrust in the Police and attack the morale of the Police as a fore runner to a new approach to enforcing law & order ?

Could we be looking at something like the Police being reduced to being mere Traffic Cops, -- and Serious Crime, Terrorism & Drugs being dealt with by a Military/MI6/Mercenary combination ?

learninglight

19th October 2012, 06:40

FYI

Little slaves', sordid boasts and the dark truth about my 'friend' Jimmy Savile, by the biographer who tried to unmask him

Over eight years, writer Dan Davies was given unrivalled access to Jimmy Savile and his coterie, but no one dared to unmask the world he found... until now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213931/Jimmy-Savile-Little-slaves-sordid-boasts-dark-truth-friend--biographer-Dan-Davies.html#ixzz28apk75rV

Sharon

Cidersomerset

22nd October 2012, 22:20

I'm watching the BBC panorama documentry now and it seems Jimmy Saville was deffinately a predatory peodiphile.One witness thinks there was a peodiphile ring at the BBC going on for decades !!

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Published on 22 Oct 2012 by MrsRammaDamma

October 22: Savile headlines in nearly every British newspaper.
The Halloween-esk scandal is THERE.
Tonight on BBC1 "Panorama" will be flashing the BBC into their worst crisis in 50 years.

Cidersomerset

22nd October 2012, 22:42

David explains how these Peodiphile rings work !!

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eni-al

23rd October 2012, 01:55

Maybe BBC will stand for British Broadcasting Coverup, any other suggestions?
Its going pretty deep now, with the newsnight investigation cancelled it does show something. Someone in all likelihood is trying to cover them-self/selves right now and trying to do everything they can for as long as they can.

Cidersomerset

23rd October 2012, 13:01

George Entwistle facing MP's this morning, some clips from channel 4 news...
channel highlighting several points from the interview..

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DevilPigeon

23rd October 2012, 13:34

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I'm still wondering which other high-profile people will be exposed eventually, considering that there seems to anecdotal testimony interlaced in the programmes so far suggesting so...

Kiforall

23rd October 2012, 14:54

The big question now is how we deal with this type of disclosure.
If we are not careful, an already hurting planet is going to be further sent into the spiraling depression.
Negative thoughts/attacks will have that effect.

How do we use the evil power of these sick individuals to heal the planet not damage it even further?

Firstly we must control any negative thoughts towards this disclosure. No hate, pity, shame, guilt etc.

We need to trust that there are people out there that can use the negative power of disclosure and recycle it (with want for a better word) into a positive energy that Can and Will heal the planet.

People who have yet not tapped into this can help by finding justification in the actions of these people. The less negative energy is sent out to these people the easier it is too balance the scales.

You must try to forgive these evil people.
They are weak, laughably weak!

We can be strong by dealing with it in a positive manner. It is very hard to change negative into a positive when you are entangled in a negative web. But you must trust that there are enough of us out there who can recycle this energy and you must let them deal with it.

Have trust in yourself that you can help by justifying their actions and allowing yourself to deal with this disclosure in a way that will help everyone. Forgive them.

The big picture is SICK and it will get sicker the more disclosure happens but it is difficult to allow disclosure in it's full form until people can cope with it.

If you can handle it the truth is out there, but don't go looking if your response to it is going to be hatred and revenge.

Harriet Harmand who is now leading the public investigation into Jimmy Saville does not seem the appropriate person to be doing this her history stinks!

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100185799/how-hatties-friends-defended-paedophilia/

Have forgiveness.
Zoe x

Cidersomerset

23rd October 2012, 15:08

I rang the BBC Radio 5 live this morning about 11.30 am several times ,when the researcher answered she asked me for my name and question.

I told her in light of the Jimmy Saville scandal , could she pass on to Nicky Cambell the presenter on this mornings discussion about the last nights

Panorama show. Could they look into the Robert Green and Hollie Greig case , another establishment coverup in Scotland involving sex abuse

of a vulnerable child. She took some details and said if they had time they would ring me back. But they did not as the show finnished 12.pm.

Maybe she will pass in on to Nicky Cambell, who is Scottish....If I had got on I was going to mention David Ickes presentation on Saturday

and say he has a few things to say about elite peodiphile rings etc,....

Kiforall

23rd October 2012, 15:17

Gardener

23rd October 2012, 16:11

I feel the need to bump this thread keep it in public awareness. The times they are a changin' and with all that has been revealed so far, in so many areas, it bodes well that the whole truth, the whole sworded shooting match is coming to the surface for exposure.
Thank you to all who have contributed to this thread.

KiwiElf

23rd October 2012, 18:53

More BBC staff probed on sex claims
AAP Updated October 24, 2012, 4:48 am

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/15193461/more-bbc-staff-probed-on-sex-claims/

A sexual abuse scandal shaking the BBC has broadened, with the broadcaster's chief saying the corporation was investigating claims of abuse and harassment against as many as 10 former and current staff.

The BBC has been rocked by allegations that longtime children's host Jimmy Savile, who died last year, abused underage teens over several decades, sometimes on BBC premises. Some of the alleged victims have accused other entertainers and BBC staff of participating in abuse during the 1960s, 70s and 80s.

Director-general George Entwistle told British MPs on Tuesday that the BBC is looking into historical allegations of sexual abuse or harassment against "between eight and 10" past and present employees.

Separately, the BBC press office said it was aware of "nine allegations of sexual harassment, assault or inappropriate conduct" involving current staff or contributors to the BBC, which employs some 20,000 people.

Entwistle said it was too early to say whether sexual abuse had been endemic within Britain's publicly funded national broadcaster, but insisted the BBC would assist police if detectives chose to investigate whether there had been a pedophile ring at the corporation.

Entwistle acknowledged there had been "a problem of culture within the BBC ... a broader cultural problem" that allowed Savile's behaviour to go unchecked.

"There is no question that what Jimmy Savile did and the way the BBC behaved ... will raise questions of trust for us and reputation for us," Entwistle said. "This is a gravely serious matter, and one cannot look back at it with anything other than horror."

Entwistle's testimony before the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport committee came a day after the BBC aired a powerful documentary about the corporation's role in the expanding sex abuse scandal involving Savile, who died a year ago at age 84.

Since Savile's death, scores of women and several men have come forward to say the entertainer - a longtime host of music and children's programs including Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix It - abused them when they were children or teenagers. Police have identified more than 200 potential victims.

The BBC, one of the world's largest and most respected broadcasters, is under fire for failing to stop the abuse and for pulling an expose on Savile from TV schedules at the last minute in December. The sex allegations were later aired on the rival ITV network.

The head of the BBC's Newsnight program, Peter Rippon, has been suspended pending an investigation of his decision to scrap the Savile story.

Monday's documentary, which was watched by more than five million people, presented the unusual spectacle of BBC journalists grilling their own bosses about why the piece had been dropped.

In an attempt to get to the bottom of the story, the parliamentary committee spent two hours on Tuesday questioning Entwistle, who has been in the BBC's top job for just a month, after years in senior news and current affairs roles.

It may also want to question his predecessor, Mark Thompson, who led the organisation at the time the Newsnight report was yanked. Thompson was appointed chief executive of the New York Times Co in August and is due to take up the post next month.

Entwistle insisted the BBC was not complacent about sexism, and had hired a senior lawyer to look at how it handles sexual harassment cases.

"I do believe the culture has changed since the 70s and 80s," Entwistle said. "But I'm not convinced it has changed as much as it should have."

He said Savile had been "a very skilful and successful sexual predator who covered his tracks."

"These things are institutionally, it seems, very difficult to deal with," he said.

pugwash84

23rd October 2012, 19:18

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I'm still wondering which other high-profile people will be exposed eventually, considering that there seems to anecdotal testimony interlaced in the programmes so far suggesting so...

I am also wondering the same

Cidersomerset

23rd October 2012, 19:58

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)
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I'm still wondering which other high-profile people will be exposed eventually, considering that there seems to anecdotal testimony interlaced in the programmes so far suggesting so...
I am also wondering the same

Apart from Saville , Gary Glitter , Wilfred Bramble ( Father in steptoe & son) and Freddie Starr have been mentioned so far ...

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This interview is surreal, Freddie has a girlfriend 'litterly' half his age .
Fair enough perfectly fine, but it does show he likes younger woman.
Sophie says she knew Freddie for years and was in a vulnerable place
when she started seeing him. A poor choice of words under the circumstances
but we will have to see !!

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CROCKED I’m A Celebrity comic Freddie Starr is to become a dad again at 68 after slipping between the sheets with a singer half his age.

The funnyman hooked up with Sophie Lee, 34, last year and they plan to marry.

Now The Sun can reveal Sophie is pregnant with Freddie’s child.

The impressionist, who had bypass surgery last year after a heart attack, already has five children.

News of his latest addition comes after producers ruled him out of I’m A Celeb following his collapse in the Aussie jungle with a severe allergic reaction.

Freddie had at first joked with pals that Sophie was his CARER.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/im_a__celebrity/3938519/.html#ixzz2A9dFapKk

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Kiforall

23rd October 2012, 22:37

If Harriet Harmand believes that participating in the distribution of pornographic images should be legal, she belongs to a long list of deranged individuals that mustn't be allowed to be in a position of trust within society.

Slowly but surely the scab is being picked from the wound and revealing the pus.
It is only when the pus is visible that the antibiotics can work.

Zoe x

Kiforall

23rd October 2012, 22:43

I think this is a different article about Harriet.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html

Cidersomerset

24th October 2012, 09:12

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15mins in Alex asks David to connect the dots to the Elites, satanic , peodophile tendancies and rituals !!

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The ones at the top were protected by Blair when Operation Ore hit Westminster. Google 'operation ore' 'cover up' Blair. Blair's governments were packed with perverts, like himself.

In 1999, an international investigation of child pornographers and paedophiles run by Britain’s National Criminal Intelligence Service, code named Operation Ore, resulted in 7,250 suspects being identified in the United Kingdom alone. Some 1850 people were criminally charged in the case and there were 1451 convictions. Almost 500 people were interviewed “under caution” by police, meaning they were suspects. Some 900 individuals remain under investigation. In early 2003, British police began to close in on some top suspects in the Operation Ore investigation, including senior members of Blair’s government.

However, Blair issued a D-Notice, resulting in a gag order on the press from publishing any details of the investigation. Blair cited the impending war in Iraq as a reason for the D-Notice. Police also discovered links between British Labour government paedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution from Belgium and Portugal (including young boys from the Casa Pia orphanage in Portugal).

Paedophilia to become legal

Paedophiles are the next group of 'persecuted victims' that will become untouchable. Sociologists will refer to criticism of paedophiles as ignorant 'moral panic' and the public will be silenced with new diversity legislation, which all three parties will miraculously support, because they are all managed from behind the scenes. After that, with the poverty that is resulting from the Rothschilds' bailouts, parents will be expected to sell their children into prostitution, as in Thailand, so that progressive politicians like Peter Mandelson can get their hands on them.

Best regards,

Gordon

TAP - horrible topic, but one which explains why our top politicians have mostly been traitors, bar a very few. As you say, Gordon, they are selected because they are child rapists, and have to comply with the wishes of the powerful, or be exposed. The link between Blair's fondness for child abuse and his rush to start the Iraq war is instructive. His using a former child sex slave was his denouement. When Gordon Logan revealed that Blair had borrowed one of George Bush's favourite male prostitutes at The White House, Johnnie Gosch (Guckert, Gannon), the Germans were no longer willing to back his bid to be President of Europe.

That said, Belgium does appear to be a world centre for child abuse and abduction, and the EU's current President has to be another suspect.

Cidersomerset

24th October 2012, 14:30

Jimmy Savile 'Was A Necrophiliac' Claims Former BBC Radio Colleague Paul Gambaccini

PA/The Huffington Post UK | Posted: 23/10/2012 18:08 BST Updated: 23/10/2012 21:08 BST

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/23/jimmy-savile-was-a-necrophiliac-says-paul-gambaccini_n_2005896.html

Jimmy Savile's former BBC radio colleague Paul Gambaccini claimed on Tuesday it was known among staff that the late presenter targeted vulnerable, "institutionalised" young people.

And he alluded to claims Savile had been involved in "necrophilia" and questioned why newspapers had failed to run stories about suspicions while he was alive.

Gambaccini worked with Savile at Radio 1 where he had first heard stories about his abuse of under-age girls.

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Gambaccini said the problems with failing to call Savile to account went well beyond the BBC

He told Radio 5 Live presenter Nicky Campbell on Tuesday that he used a "politically incorrect" term to categorise the people to whom Savile devoted his attentions.

"The expression I came to associate with Savile's sexual partners was either one used by production assistants or one I made up to summarise their reports ... 'under-age subnormals'," said Gambaccini.

"He targeted the institutionalised, the hospitalised - and this was known. Why did Jimmy go to hospitals? That's where the patients were."

But he said these things were taking place at a time when staff failed to get to grips with the concept of paedophilia.

"It was considered so far beyond the pale that people didn't believe it happened," he said during the 5 Live Breakfast Show.

And he said the problems with failing to call Savile to account went well beyond the BBC.

He questioned why newspapers had not acted when he said a tabloid reporter had boasted that his colleagues were aware of a story linking Savile to "necrophilia".

Campbell pointed out: "That particularly lurid accusation that you have just brought to people's attention is one that has not been in the public domain."

Gambaccini agreed and asked "why not?" And he asked: "Who vetted the knighthood? Coco the clown?"

He said the entire society was taken in by Savile - "including the prime minister who invited him to Chequers; including the royal family, photographed with him, he got a knighthood in this country, he got a papal knighthood.

"This is not just the BBC this is history, this is a man who conned an entire society," Gambaccini added.

It came as the BBC Director General George Entwistle was accused by MPs of failing to "get a grip" and compared to James Murdoch during a stormy select committee session in the wake of the Savile sex abuse allegations, after which the culture secretary said the scandal raised "very real concerns" about public trust in the BBC.

In a letter to Lord Patten, the chairman of the BBC Trust, Maria Miller said: "Following today's select committee hearing and the revelations that have emerged about the factual inaccuracies in the BBC's explanation about why the Savile item in Newsnight was pulled, very real concerns are being raised about public trust and confidence in the BBC.

"In all our conversations we have talked about the paramount importance of full public trust in the BBC's inquiries and agreed that it is essential that licence fee payers can be assured that they are being conducted thoroughly and with the full cooperation of the BBC, in line with the Trust's duty to 'ensure that the BBC observes high standards of openness and transparency'."

Ms Miller said it was "vital that these inquiries are able to follow the evidence wherever it takes them" and welcomed Lord Patten's "commitment" that would happen.

In a letter responding to Mrs Miller tonight, Lord Patten wrote: "You know how seriously the Trust takes the allegations surrounding Jimmy Savile and the need to maintain public trust in the BBC."

He said the inquiries would be "comprehensive and independent", adding: "You have recognised both the credibility and the scope of those who are leading the inquiries and the wide scope of their terms of reference."

But the peer also delivered a thinly-veiled warning that the government should not wade into the row.

"I know that you will not want to give any impression that you are questioning the independence of the BBC," he wrote.

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This is what i was listening to when I rang the BBC radio 5 live , to highlight
The Holly Greig & Robert Green case !!

mahalall

24th October 2012, 21:55

Allegations that Jimmy Saville presented young boys to a prime minister took on a new development yesterday.

Prime Minister: David Cameron was asked yesterday in the house on commons which prime minister aide had been involved in a paedophile ring.

Tom Watson, Labour MP, told the House of Commons there was "clear intelligence" suggesting a notorious group was connected to a former Number 10 aide, during prime minister's questions on Wednesday.

David Cameron said he would look at the case "very carefully and see what the government can do to help".

"You raise a very difficult and complex case and I'm not sure which former prime minister he is referring to. But what I would like to do is to look very carefully in Hansard as to the allegations you have made, the case that you have raised … and to see what the government can do to give you the assurances you seek," the prime minister added.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/24/mp-inquiry-paedophile-link-parliament

Cidersomerset

24th October 2012, 22:20

Allegations that Jimmy Saville presented young boys to a prime minister took on a new development yesterday.

Prime Minister: David Cameron was asked yesterday in the house on commons which prime minister aide had been involved in a paedophile ring.

Tom Watson, Labour MP, told the House of Commons there was "clear intelligence" suggesting a notorious group was connected to a former Number 10 aide, during prime minister's questions on Wednesday.

David Cameron said he would look at the case "very carefully and see what the government can do to help".

"You raise a very difficult and complex case and I'm not sure which former prime minister he is referring to. But what I would like to do is to look very carefully in Hansard as to the allegations you have made, the case that you have raised … and to see what the government can do to give you the assurances you seek," the prime minister added.

Thanks Mahalall I suspect this is Ted Heath ? I'd be very surprised if those documents come to the surface !!

learninglight

25th October 2012, 06:43

FYI : Concerning Ben Fellows:

'So when the publisher of 21st Century Wire received an email from the Cabinet Office yesterday evening – let’s say that I for one wasn’t surprised. The email protested Kenneth Clarke’s innocence so vehemently that it was even denying things that Ken Clarke had never been accused of – at least not by me.

Kathryn Laing, Special Advisor to Kenneth Clarke in the Cabinet Office said :

Please Could you remove the comments about Ken Clarke from the following posts on your website : HYPERLINK

For the record – my allegation is that Ken Clarke touched my penis over my trousers when he had been told I was fifteen years old. I was actually nearer eighteen but was playing the part of a fifteen year old for The Cook Report. Incidentally Kathryn on Ken’s behalf states that Kenneth wasn’t involved in “Cash for Questions”. Well I never said he was or that he had ‘dealings’ with Ian Greer.

Read more here :

http://www.maxfarquar.com/2012/10/ben-fellows-kenneth-clarke/

Sharon

mahalall

25th October 2012, 11:03

Understanding influences that makes senior members of the British ( and Global) establishment vulnerable to such predatory behaviour/characters (Naga spirit to one side). One may look at schooling.

Eton the school that connects the ruling classes, whether they hold sway over the worlds of politics, the arts, a regiment, a boardroom (1)

Norman Routledge was a schoolmaster and eventually a housemaster at Eton College, for 30 years.
In this honest account (albeit naively) he shares his understanding,
http://www.webofstories.com/play/52164

(1)http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/etons-old-boy-network-518455.html

Cidersomerset

25th October 2012, 12:35

Well Tom Watsons question has been picked up by the written press.
Maybe the dam has burst !!

Was there a paedophile ring in No 10? MP Tom Watson demands probe

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvzVEHN3rN8DF8VY2tVEdRm6OKEMvon9h-pECYPZ-sJepz9RLH

A powerful paedophile network may have operated in Britain protected by its connections to
Parliament and Downing Street, a senior Labour politician suggested yesterday.
Speaking from the back benches of the House of Commons, Tom Watson, the deputy
chairman of the Labour Party, called on the Metropolitan Police to reopen a closed criminal
inquiry into paedophilia.Indicating his anxiety that there had been an establishment cover-up,
Mr Watson referred to the case of Peter Righton, who was convicted in 1992 of importing and
possessing illegal homosexual pornographic material.Righton, a former consultant to the National
Children’s Bureau and lecturer at the National Institute for Social Work in London, admitted two
illegal importation charges and one charge of possessing obscene material. He was fined £900.

At Prime Minister’s Questions, Mr Watson said the evidence file used to convict Righton
“if it still exists, contains clear intelligence of a widespread paedophile ring”.
He told a hushed Commons: “One of its members boasts of a link to a senior aide of a
former Prime Minister, who says he could smuggle indecent images of children from abroad.
“The leads were not followed up, but if the files still exist, I want to ensure that the
Metropolitan Police secure the evidence, re-examine it, and investigate clear intelligence
suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and No 10.”

In the aftermath of Mr Watson’s remarks, media outlets speculated that he was referring
to the late former Prime Minister Sir Edward Heath – who was the subject of unsubstantiated
rumours about sex with under-age boys – or to Sir Peter Morrison, a former Downing Street
aide who died in 1995.However, The Independent understands that Mr Watson’s comments
were not aimed at either Sir Edward or Sir Peter, but at a living person associated with
Margaret Thatcher’s administration.They are thought to involve the activities of the Paedophile
Information Exchange, a pro-paedophile group in existence between 1974 and 1984, which
believed there should be no age of consent.Responding to the remarks, David Cameron said
the MP had raised “a very difficult and complex case”, adding he was unclear which former
Prime Minister Mr Watson was referring to.Criticising the BBC’s record on Savile – who was
never caught and died last year aged 84, the Prime Minister said: "These allegations do leave
many institutions - perhaps particularly the BBC - with serious questions to answer -I think
above all the question, 'How did he get away with this for so long?'.”

He told MPs: "The most important thing is that the police investigation is properly resourced and is allowed to continue.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/was-there-a-paedophile-ring-in-no-10-mp-tom-watson-demands-probe-8224702.html

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2012/10/24/mp-tom-watson-makes-paedophile-ring-link-to-no-10-claim/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-scandal-tom-watson-1398159

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4607207/MP-says-former-Prime-Minister-had-links-to-paedo-ring.html

Cidersomerset

25th October 2012, 18:32

Theres a 10 minute vid on link below where the Police spokesman says the
climate is right to go after these people however powerfull they are !!

We will see if they look at the work of researchers on this such as Robert Green,
David Icke and others !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20081021

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63717000/jpg/_63717252_jex_1541464_de50-1.jpg
Peter Spindler, Met Police: "It is quite staggering the number of people that have come forward"

25 October 2012 Last updated at 16:32

The number of possible sexual abuse victims of Jimmy Savile has risen to 300, Scotland Yard has confirmed.

It is thought the TV presenter and DJ, who died last year aged 84, may have abused scores of young girls and some boys over a 40-year period.

Police have so far spoken to 130 victims and officers have recorded 114 allegations.

Savile's great-niece Caroline Robinson has accused him of sexually abusing her when she was 12.

Met Police Commander Peter Spindler described the police inquiry as a "watershed" moment in the investigation of child abuse. He praised the media for exposing Savile "for what he was."

He said Savile was "undoubtedly" one of the most prolific sex offenders of recent history, and the weight of evidence from victims against the late DJ was overwhelming.

"We have to believe what they are saying because they are all saying the same thing independently," Cdr Spindler said.

Labour leader Ed Miliband has reiterated calls for an independent inquiry into the affair.

However, Andrew Lansley, the Leader of the Commons, wants the police investigation and independent reviews by the BBC and NHS to be allowed to run their course.

Arrest strategy

The police inquiry, Operation Yewtree, has identified 300 victims - up from 200 last week - and is looking at 400 lines of inquiry. All but two of the victims are female.

Police said they had spent nine hours interviewing Karin Ward, one of the first victims to speak publicly.

Ms Ward, who was a pupil at Duncroft approved school for girls in Surrey, alleged that she was sexually abused by Savile during her time there.

She was interviewed for the BBC's Newsnight programme on 14 November last year, but the interview was only shown for the first time on Panorama this week as the Newsnight investigation was shelved.

Police were looking at three catergories of crime: Savile committing abuse on his own; Savile with others; and other people committing abuse. The type of crime ranged from inappropriate touching to rape, Cdr Spindler said.

A number of living people were under investigation but exact figures have yet to emerge.

'High standing'

Mr Spindler said a retired officer had been in touch to say he had investigated Savile in the 1980s while based in west London but he had not had the evidence to proceed.

He said he believed the allegation was of an indecent assault on BBC premises but officers have still not found the original file.

Sources close to Scotland Yard's investigation said they were also looking at "figures of high standing" who might have helped Savile.

Cdr Spindler said there was no evidence of a paedophile ring involving Savile. He described the offenders as "opportunist individuals".

But it is thought investigations are looking at those who may have assisted Savile, helped organise abuse, cover it up or taken part in assaults themselves.

Savile was a household name in the 1970s and 1980s as the host of popular Saturday evening programme Jim'll Fix It and he also presented Top of The Pops and a number of other programmes.

'Mirror image'

A great-niece, Caroline Robinson, has told BBC Radio 5 Live she was abused by him when she was 12.

Mrs Robinson, who is now 49, said: "When I was reading about the victims in the paper it was like reading a mirror image of what I went through."

She added: "When I was 12... he asked me to sit on his knee and he said 'what can Jimmy do for you?' and I said 'Can I see the Bay City Rollers?' who were my favourite group at the time."

Mrs Robinson said Savile got sexually excited as she sat on his knee and put his hands in her underwear.

She said she ended up running upstairs in tears but she said she never told her parents what had happened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20081021

Cidersomerset

25th October 2012, 18:52

Eton's old boy network
Terry Kirby looks at the school that connects the ruling classes, whether they hold sway over the worlds of politics, the arts, a regiment, a boardroom or merely the odd nation

As you know this is the basis of many alternate researchers work , the public schools where by definition the wealthy send their children to get away from the 'plebs' and get unfair
privileges than the rest of society from the start. This is the same in the US with Scull & Bones and other supposed 'innocent' societies which make up the ruling class of the 'FED'....

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as they are all related and interbreed . I find it implausible to believe all the Presidents of the US bar one are related to the Royal Family!!

Infact by definition as all the royal bloodlines intermarried over the centuries
the Presidents are probably related to all European illuminati families !

This is where to call America the land of the 'Free' was a false premise
as with all nationalities and common 'Plebs' that make up the States,
surely by now this should have been exposed as the fraud it is !!

This is why the US has been Screwed ......If normal Americans ran
the country , things would be different!

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avid

25th October 2012, 18:58

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51271-Possible-reason-why-soldiers-are-overseas.
I found this link an absolute 'eye-opener'

DevilPigeon

25th October 2012, 19:14

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I've heard a number of interviews and seen several articles alluding that Savile had fooled/hoodwinked everyone, especially people in the public eye such as ministers, celebrities, royalty etc... Whilst this may be the case for some, I don't think it's such a black-and-white problem, ie I think it's dangerous and foolish to have the assumption that everyone was fooled. No matter where any investigations lead and who they connect to, they need to be followed through without prejudice.

My worry is that if a lead points to someone "high up" in the food chain then attempts may be made to divert or sweep it under the carpet, so to speak.

Cidersomerset

25th October 2012, 19:22

I've heard a number of interviews and seen several articles alluding that Savile had fooled/hoodwinked everyone, especially people in the public eye such as ministers, celebrities, royalty etc... Whilst this may be the case for some, I don't think it's such a black-and-white problem, ie I think it's dangerous and foolish to have the assumption that everyone was fooled. No matter where any investigations lead and who they connect to, they need to be followed through without prejudice.

My worry is that if a lead points to someone "high up" in the food chain then attempts may be made to divert or sweep it under the carpet, so to speak.

This is exactly what happened on Channel 4 news tonight they said Saville had been reported to police manytimes over the years , but for various reasons it never went
further.But as with Robert Green in scotland now , when you get close to the elites they 'Pull the plug' and have done this all over the world.
This potentially, with the web is the best oppertunity ever to expose these bloodlines that run the world !

I don't think this will happen, but maybe this is the start of everyone realising that alternate researchers like David Icke are not making this stuff up !!

DAVID ICKE - ILLUMINATI BLOODLINES MANIPULATING REALITY (ITS ALL IN THE BLOOD)

N526daW2AzM

Actually by fate ? Davids Wembly Arena presentation this saturday could not have come at a better time !!!

DevilPigeon

25th October 2012, 19:26

I've heard a number of interviews and seen several articles alluding that Savile had fooled/hoodwinked everyone, especially people in the public eye such as ministers, celebrities, royalty etc... Whilst this may be the case for some, I don't think it's such a black-and-white problem, ie I think it's dangerous and foolish to have the assumption that everyone was fooled. No matter where any investigations lead and who they connect to, they need to be followed through without prejudice.

My worry is that if a lead points to someone "high up" in the food chain then attempts may be made to divert or sweep it under the carpet, so to speak.

This is exactly what happened on Channel 4 news tonight they said Saville had been reported to police manytimes over the years , but for various reasons it never went
further.But as with Robert Green in scotland now , when you get close to the elites they 'Pull the plug' and have done this all over the world.
This potentially, with the web is the best oppertunity ever to expose these bloodlines that run the world !

I don't think this will happen, but maybe this is the start of everyone realising that alternate researchers like David Icke are not making this stuff up !!

I totally agree. As heinous as this entire episode is, I hope that given the widespread multi-media coverage it's getting, "pulling the plug" will be nigh on impossible to do, and that anyone involved is brought to justice.

Jenci

25th October 2012, 19:28

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I've heard a number of interviews and seen several articles alluding that Savile had fooled/hoodwinked everyone, especially people in the public eye such as ministers, celebrities, royalty etc...

I would say it is more likely he didn't fool them but he was one of "them"

My worry is that if a lead points to someone "high up" in the food chain then attempts may be made to divert or sweep it under the carpet, so to speak.
Or consider this, the story has come out deliberately to divert attention from elsewhere higher up the food chain. It's convenient to the media and public to offer a dead person to direct their anger at. In the meantime what are they being distracted from.......

Jeanette

Jenci

25th October 2012, 19:37

The Court Jester

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/William_Merritt_Chase_Keying_up.jpg/220px-William_Merritt_Chase_Keying_up.jpg

from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jester

The Royal Shakespeare Company provides historical context for the role of the fool:

In ancient times courts employed fools and by the Middle Ages the jester was a familiar figure. In Renaissance times, aristocratic households in Britain employed licensed fools or jesters, who sometimes dressed as other servants were dressed, but generally wore a motley (i.e. parti-coloured) coat, hood with ass's (i.e. donkey) ears or a red-flannel coxcomb and bells.

Regarded as pets or mascots, they served not simply to amuse but to criticise their master or mistress and their guests. Queen Elizabeth (reigned 1558-1603) is said to have rebuked one of her fools for being insufficiently severe with her. Excessive behaviour, however, could lead to a fool being whipped, as Lear threatens to whip his fool.[1]
One may conceptualize fools in two camps: those of the natural fool type and those of the licensed fool type.

Whereas the natural fool was seen as innately nit-witted, moronic, or mad, the licensed fool was given leeway by permission of the court. In other words, both were excused, to some extent, for their behavior, the first because he "couldn't help it," and the second by decree.

norman

25th October 2012, 19:49

I always thought JS was a weird guy but I never even got interested in him enough to see the, now, obvious, about him.

I've heard a few old interview bits of his on the radio recently and it's obvious to me now that his way of talking was a device to keep people away from pinning him down to anything he would have to be honest about.

Deflection, deflection, deflection, (how'zat then)

Cidersomerset

25th October 2012, 19:50

They posted this quick ........This is not the one where the police say Saville was reported
over the years...but a interview with Chris Patton head of the BBC Trust....

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Published on 25 Oct 2012 by Channel4News

Police say they now believe Savile and maybe others claimed around 300 victims -
and they have so far spoken to around 130 of them.

Cidersomerset

25th October 2012, 19:58

The Royal Shakespeare Company provides historical context for the role of the fool:

In ancient times courts employed fools and by the Middle Ages the jester was a familiar figure. In Renaissance times, aristocratic households in Britain employed licensed fools or jesters, who sometimes dressed as other servants were dressed, but generally wore a motley (i.e. parti-coloured) coat, hood with ass's (i.e. donkey) ears or a red-flannel coxcomb and bells.

Regarded as pets or mascots, they served not simply to amuse but to criticise their master or mistress and their guests. Queen Elizabeth (reigned 1558-1603) is said to have rebuked one of her fools for being insufficiently severe with her. Excessive behaviour, however, could lead to a fool being whipped, as Lear threatens to whip his fool.[1]
One may conceptualize fools in two camps: those of the natural fool type and those of the licensed fool type.

Whereas the natural fool was seen as innately nit-witted, moronic, or mad, the licensed fool was given leeway by permission of the court. In other words, both were excused, to some extent, for their behavior, the first because he "couldn't help it," and the second by decree.

Saville would certainly fit this bill in public and play this role for his masters !! There was a interview somewhere where he 'quiped' he had known the Royals for a
million years ! or something like it ? ... Very 'Annunakish'....LOL....Does make you wonder ?

The Jester .....

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05_03/jimmyDM0905_228x449.jpg

Savile himself would boast about his connections to the royals and it was publicly acknowledged that he was a regular visitor to Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace (where Princess Diana lived after her marriage ended with Prince Charles), and Highgrove (the country estate of Prince Charles).

Savile told Esquire: ‘The thing about me is I get things done and I work deep cover. I’ve known the Royal Family for a million years.’

http://21stcenturywire.com/tag/jimmy-saville/

mahalall

26th October 2012, 21:07

mistake double posting?

mahalall

26th October 2012, 21:22

The density of darkness is dissolved with equanimous awareness. Drip by drip, patient diligence will result in the light dissipating this darkness. But if we react with aversion ( as is a natural response to such abhorrent behaviour) we enslave ourselves to the ego of the controllers.

This is not a suggestion to hug a Satanist (although helpful such acts of compassion just get eaten up) just taking time to smile at the stupidity of humanity.

In understanding this peadophilic illness in humanities collective psyche a vision arose, a senior member of the church of Scientology was seen with a young boy.

This lead to this documentary, oh how to stop the games.
McHfS_gyZ-0

Cidersomerset

27th October 2012, 11:19

Thanks Mahalall that is a very powerful documentry. It shows how these statanic/peodophile elites run the world.
They are at the top of governments, Law enforcement , Judges and police, press & can do what they want !
This is exactly why this will die with Saville. Some police investigators may get some good leads but it will be quashed by these evil elites !!

George W Bush...........That unbelievable evil idiot !!

We only have to look at Bohemian grove to see how the most powerfull people
in the world come together like a satanic club!

http://www.lovethetruth.com/jis_images/cremation_of_care.jpg

All these threads come together !

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47416-Bohemian-Grove-Orgy-of-Power-for-Global-Elite..14th-29th-July-2012..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33129-CIA-Mind-control-Techniques......

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33146-CIA-and-Drugs

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38546-D.Icke-in-Rome.....The-London-Rome-Beltane-Ritual-2011....Full-movie..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37091-The-House-of-Rothchilds...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23578-The-Frankfurt-school-of-subversion.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23849-Mark-passio....occult..hidden-knowledge...symbolism

araucaria

27th October 2012, 11:33

it will be quashed by these evil elites !!

Come on Cidersomerset, you are forgetting to factor in our positive intent. We are not just talking about things on an Internet forum, we are doing something about it.

Avalon'll fix it, if you will.

Cidersomerset

27th October 2012, 11:41

Come on Cidersomerset, you are forgetting to factor in our positive intent. We are not just talking about things on an Internet forum, we are doing something about it.

Avalon'll fix it, if you will.

I really really hope so thats why I have done several threads on this !!

Watch the documentry Mahalall put up it talks alot about france, Belguim and other places .
I had heard of most of these cases, but it still shocks & upsets me !

These Elites are ...sick ,sick ,sick....people,,,,,,,But are they 'human' beings '? it makes you wonder ? Then you go into
all the stuff David Icke and others go into.....

Kiforall

27th October 2012, 12:13

There are a lot of resources here, templates for flyers and letters etc to get the word out into the community.
Everyone needs to get behind this.
UK residents must cancel their TV license we are in a way as guilty as them for funding this child sex slave business or Elixir business, whichever way you look at it.

http://www.truthproject.co.uk/

Even if you just put a flyer up on a notice board.

Be proactive.

Zoe x

Kiforall

27th October 2012, 12:29

The media are trying psychological games to make us feel sorry for just about everyone involved in this matter except the true victims.

Celebs are frightened that they will be implicated in the Saville incident.
You selfish people, how frightened to you think the children are when they are released in a forest naked, to run and be hunted by these soul eating demons.
How frightened do you think the children are who wait for the knife of sacrifice to take their lives.
How frightened are the children who remain imprisoned with out any form of Love from anyone?

We are being drawn into feeling sorry for Savilles family who are distraught to find out what their family member was involved in the child sex slave industry.

I know where my priorities lie and I will remain focused on the real issue here.

We must think about what is still happening to our children and let these people wallow in their own self pity.

If you are innocent why worry??

Zoe x

mahalall

27th October 2012, 12:36

Cidersomerset

27th October 2012, 12:37

Even if you just put a flyer up on a notice board.

Be proactive.

I talk about all our subjects in work and with my mates to various degrees of 'incredulous ridicule'...
Its easy for them to laugh at things they either don't or do not want to understand !
luckily two other avalon members Ecnal 61 and Winston 71 work in the same sorting office
as me, although they are not as active on the site at the momment as they have families
and do not have the time to log on.

Which is another reason people are ignorant of what is going on in front of them, because
we are all living different realities within the same reality IE. We are on here and looking
at the world , totally different tomany others who are in the Work/pay bills/X factor/family reality!!
Although most on here work/paybills & have family..LOL..

Still on the bright side more people are waking up , look at the six thousand at wembly arena to see
David Icke ...Today !!

http://img.scoop.it/aDgsOUHtXppyf_bAJScA8Dl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVaiQDB_Rd1H6kmuBWtceBJ

Jenci

27th October 2012, 12:45

As repulsive as the situation is, if we become attached to the sensation of our reactions will run the risk of being overcome and only serve to feed the subject. Observe it for as it is, an impermanent phenomena albeit a rather large and hideous one.

Expanding awareness with a wise and loving intent is shaking their veil. Ask people in the street in the UK (particular women) and they will tell you what they feel, the heart is awakening and with it the curtain is falling.

All we have to do is smile, share the truth and keep on the path.

NZR64EF3OpA

I've just posted this in another thread but it's my thoughts on this current media story of exposing Saville, so it is relevent here.

How about this whole story has been released, controlled and manipulated by "them" for their own means.

I don't think there are any accidents here. Stories like this don't just come out when they have been kept suppressed for so long. The satanic/paedophile issue goes right to the top, it's ingrained in those who are running this country beyond the government and stretches into the government, the police and the judicial system.

The system is not going to bring down itself, arrest itself, try itself and serve justice on itself. What it will do, though, it throw out a few bodies either dead or alive to satisfy the public's need for something to be done about the horrors that they discovering.

Consider just how much energy is focused in the UK right now on paedophilia, abuse, necrophilia and more and the anger and pain it is causing. Wall to wall media coverage of this story. It's attention, attention, attention which is energy, energy, energy.

What's being done with the energy and why now? Energy is key here - it is very important to "them".

In the US, all attention is on the election in a similar energetic process.

Jeanette

Cidersomerset

27th October 2012, 12:49

How about this whole story has been released, controlled and manipulated by "them" for their own means.

This is possible, the video implies this type of thing, to cover up higher conspiritors. In this case the fact Saville is dead they can
pin all sorts of things on him.If real journalists and police start digging to deep on others ??

Kiforall

27th October 2012, 13:26

The police are also awakening.

A video of a couple who left the police force after spiritual awakening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_yo6fYAk2g

Cidersomerset

28th October 2012, 13:28

28 October 2012 Last updated at 12:31

.Jimmy Savile: Gary Glitter arrested over sex offences

Video on link ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20114378

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Former pop star Gary Glitter has been arrested on suspicion of sex offences by police investigating Jimmy Savile abuse claims.

He has been taken from his home into custody at a London police station.

Glitter, 68, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was jailed in Vietnam in 2006 for child sex offences.

Police are investigating allegations the late TV presenter Savile sexually abused some 300 young people over a 40-year period.

Met Police confirmed officers from Operation Yewtree had "arrested a man in his 60s in connection with the investigation".

"The man, from London, was arrested at approximately 0715 on suspicion of sexual offences. The individual falls under the strand of the investigation we have termed 'Savile and others'."

Scotland Yard has said it is following about 400 lines of inquiry as part of the operation - which is looking into claims Savile, who died last year aged 84, abused hundreds of young girls and some boys.

Police described former BBC DJ Savile as a "predatory sex offender".

Karin Ward - a former pupil at Duncroft approved school for girls in Surrey - told the BBC she had once seen singer Glitter having sex with a schoolgirl in Savile's dressing room at the BBC. Glitter has denied the allegations.

'Lessons to learn'

Glitter is the first person to be arrested in connection with the Met's Savile abuse inquiry.

The glam rock star rose to fame during the 70s, selling 18 million records by 1975.

Elsewhere the deputy leader of the Labour Party Harriet Harman has called for a judge-led inquiry into the Savile abuse claims.

She told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "The trouble is that there are a multiplicity of inquiries. What we need is one over-arching inquiry.

"It should be independent because there are big lessons to be learned here, not just for the BBC, although the epicentre of it was at the BBC."

Savile is also alleged to have carried out abuse at a number of institutions, such as the high security psychiatric hospital Broadmoor, Stoke Mandeville Hospital and Leeds General Infirmary.

Justice Secretary Chris Grayling told the same programme while what had happened was "horrendous" it was important not to "rush into a judge-led inquiry," arguing it would take "much longer to get to the truth".

The BBC Trust's chairman Lord Patten, writing in the Mail On Sunday, said the corporation must face up to the truth, warning it "risks squandering public trust".

Victim Ms Ward was interviewed for the BBC's Newsnight programme last November in which she made the abuse allegations, but the interview was only shown on Panorama this week as the Newsnight investigation was shelved.

Mr Patten told the paper: "Like many who work for the BBC, I feel a sense of particular remorse that abused women spoke to Newsnight, presumably at great personal pain, yet did not have their stories told as they expected."

The BBC has already announced inquiries into the Savile abuse claims. The first, led by former Sky News head Nick Pollard, is examining whether there were any failings in the BBC's management of the Newsnight investigation into Savile abuse claims.

On Monday, former Court of Appeal judge Dame Janet Smith will begin a review into the culture and practices of the corporation during Savile's time at the BBC. A further review will examine sexual harassment policies at the BBC.

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Former Minister says Thatcher aide was paedophile who preyed on boys' home - and Hague should have known

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An ex-Tory minister has claimed Sir Peter Morrison was implicated in the child abuse scandal that engulfed children's homes in North Wales
An inquiry discovered up to 650 children in 40 homes were sexually, physically and emotionally in the 1970s and '80s

Rod Richards, a former Tory MP, said he had seen evidence linking the former aide to Baroness Thatcher to the scandal

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224167/Former-Minister-says-Thatcher-aide-paedophile-preyed-boys-home--Hague-known.html#ixzz2AbGSgzW6
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full story on link

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51415-Former-Minister-says-Thatcher-aide-was-paedophile-who-preyed-on-boys-home-and.....&p=575541#post575541

Cidersomerset

28th October 2012, 13:52

Thanks Kiforal...............Unfortunately they left, this is not helping our cause ,Its great they are waking up
but we need them to stay in the force and work within ! I do understand why they could not !!

Y_yo6fYAk2g

Billy

28th October 2012, 15:23

Warning i will not post the interview as there is swearing involved that may offend.

Apparently, this was actually recorded during the last series of "Have I Got
News For You" when Jimmy Saville was a guest on Paul Merton's team.
Incredibly, it didn't make our screens. (It seems that Mr. Merton doesn't
like Mr. Saville very much)

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rogerb/jokes/HIGNFY.txt

Part Quote:
Out-take 3:09'36
During the headline round:
DEAYTON: You used to be a wrestler didn't you?
SAVILLE: I still am.
DEAYTON: Are you?
SAVILLE: I'm feared in every girls' school in the country.
(Audience laugh)
DEAYTON: Yeah, I've heard about that.
SAVILLE: What have you heard?

Read more here: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rogerb/jokes/HIGNFY.txt

Cidersomerset

28th October 2012, 16:29

Cidersomerset

28th October 2012, 20:53

DAILY MAIL on Line....

PUBLISHED: 22:57, 27 October 2012

BBC’s Sally Jones: ‘Pervert’ Savile groped me in lift – and Jill Dando warned me of ‘unwelcome advances’ at Breakfast Time office
Sally Jones' 'close encounter' with Jimmy Savile remains one of the worst 'Eeee-eww!' moments of her life
'Acrid taste of cigar smoke almost made me retch and I froze, cringing, as he ran one hand up from my waist and fumbled for my breast'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224162/Savile-scandal-BBCs-Sally-Jones-says-presenter-groped-lift.html#ixzz2Ad4JXgTd
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As growing numbers of Jimmy Savile's victims come out of the woodwork with increasingly shocking stories of the abuse and intimidation they suffered at the hands of him and other celebrities, a picture is emerging of a climate of routine sexism at the BBC during the Seventies and Eighties.

Already, well-known journalists and presenters including Liz Kershaw, Miriam O'Reilly and Vivien Creegor have told of their experiences of sexual harassment and discrimination, while the upper echelons of BBC news desperately attempt to close ranks and claim, (unconvincingly, given the natural curiosity hard-wired into most top journalists) to have shown absolutely no interest in the nitty-gritty of potentially explosive allegations made against one of their most celebrated talents.

I have my own Savile story – a story with a difference, as I was not some impressionable 14-year-old at the time, but an experienced TV journalist in my early 30s who had already reported on some dangerous situations including the Brixton and Handsworth riots.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/27/article-0-1218D64A000005DC-439_312x758.jpg

My 'close encounter' with Jimmy Savile, however, remains one of the worst 'Eeee-eww!' moments of my life – leaving me teeth-suckingly embarrassed rather than mentally scarred.

Newly arrived at BBC TV Centre in the late Eighties as a sports presenter on Breakfast Time, I found myself alone in a lift with him. We had met previously in Leeds while I was covering cricket for Channel 4 News, and when I helped out on one of his charity walks. But he was not a close friend and I had always found him a weird, self-conscious attention-seeker, even creepier than the rest of his fellow DJs.

I exchanged uneasy banter with him out of politeness, only to find him snuggling up for a smooch, complete with oddball sunglasses and wreathed in cigar smoke.

'It's our Sal,' he crowed. 'How about a kiss for Uncle Jimmy?' Bemused and a bit embarrassed, I proffered my cheek in gingerly fashion, only for him to grab my chin and thrust his tongue into my mouth.

The acrid taste of cigar smoke almost made me retch and I froze, cringing, as he ran one hand up from my waist and fumbled for my breast. Anger took over.

'Don't be so absolutely ridiculous,' I hissed. 'Take your hands off me and don't you ever touch me again!'

I peeled him off and pushed him away. He backed off grumbling that it was just a bit of fun, that I couldn't take a joke and was probably frigid.

I bolted out of the lift furiously, wiping my mouth, trying to rid myself of the taste of him. I felt dirty, as though I had somehow 'asked for it' and replayed the admittedly slightly smutty conversation in my mind.

Yes, it was laden with innuendo, but on a fairly innocent level and no worse than any of the joky exchanges that were commonplace in most workplaces, particularly television in that era.

I dashed into the Breakfast Time office and confided what had happened to my friend Jill Dando, herself a recent arrival and already a popular newsreader.

'Of course you didn't ask for it,' she reassured me, admitting that she had had to fend off plenty of unwelcome advances herself. 'He's just a dirty old perv – half the DJs are like that.'

I decided to keep quiet for the sake of my career – Savile was then one of the biggest names in showbiz. I regarded myself as a serious reporter and I certainly didn't want to be stereotyped as casting-couch fodder or a namby victim who could not stand up for herself.

There was quite a divide in the late Eighties between the TV presenters and reporters who were university-educated trained journalists – Kate Adie, Kirsty Wark, Sally Magnusson – and the 'old guard' of former actresses and beauty queens such as Jan Leeming, Debbie Greenwood and others who had been picked for their winsome looks.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/27/article-0-1288E96B000005DC-616_638x441.jpg
Sally Jones, left, with BBC Breakfast Time presenters Frank Bough, Francis Wilson, Bob Wilson, Jeremy Paxman and Sally Magnusson in the eighties

The latter, however capable they really were, tended to be patronised and treated like airheads by the thrusting young Turks then running the newsrooms. This was why, when I started in TV, as a sports-mad, relatively prudish single woman from a no-nonsense, God-fearing family, I had deliberately portrayed myself as straight-laced and head-girlish.

In the late Eighties and early Nineties, attitudes to women seemed to be changing rapidly, but yes, there were superstar 'dinosaurs' like Savile (whose paedophile tastes I was unaware of) and for some, John Peel in particular, it seemed a matter of pride to sleep with as many willing and naive girls and women as they could get their hands on.

An older, established presenter at the BBC was known for groping women he considered less than his equals.

I believe that it is important not to demonise the BBC root and branch, by equating the horrors of Savile's criminal and manipulative targeting of young, vulnerable children over 40 years, with the sort of low-level, undignified harassment suffered by professional women such as Kershaw, O'Reilly and me. There is no comparison between the two.

Despite the humiliation and annoyance of our treatment, we adults were essentially capable of looking after ourselves.

When the hysteria has died down and the requisite number of broadcasting mandarins have fallen on their swords, the furore should, with luck, ensure that throughout the media, there is no longer any room for either paedophilia or sexual harassment – however famous the perpetrator.

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Nick Matkin

28th October 2012, 22:20

Radio Ulster: Text to station with an "alternative view on the Jimmy Savile story" which the presenter actually read out!
Only 30 seconds, but an absolutely must-listen-to clip. You couldn't make it up. Priceless!!

http://www.joe.ie/entertainment/television/listen-radio-ulster-pranked-with-jimmy-savile-joke-0029786-1

Another BBC staffer gets sent off to re-education camp...

Kiforall

28th October 2012, 22:42

Just had a thought when Jill Dando's name was mentioned.

Could her death be something to do with her about to go public?

Zoe x

mahalall

29th October 2012, 00:31

SCOTLAND YARD LAUNCH OPERATION YEWTREE, A FORMAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO BBC DJ JIMMY SAVILE

Why call the investigation Yewtree?

Yewtrees are well known for their mystical association within Celtic and Druidic culture, but it's one legend from Scotland that is related to the yew that reads: -

“If a Clansman held in his left hand a piece of churchyard Yew, then as he confronted his enemy in battle to denounce him or threaten him, the enemy would hear nothing. All around would hear however, enabling the Clansman to swear afterwards that he gave clear warning of his intention and was thus not guilty of treachery.” (Wilks 1972).

Wilks, J.H., 1972 Trees of British Isles in History and Legend
http://www.ancient-yew.org/mi.php/trees-in-mythology/79
http://www.factmag.com/2012/10/19/scotland-yard-launch-operation-yewtree-a-formal-criminal-investigation-into-bbc-dj-jimmy-savile/

Cidersomerset

29th October 2012, 00:35

Radio Ulster: Text to station with an "alternative view on the Jimmy Savile story" which the presenter actually read out!
Only 30 seconds, but an absolutely must-listen-to clip. You couldn't make it up. Priceless!!

http://www.joe.ie/entertainment/tele...joke-0029786-1

Another BBC staffer gets sent off to re-education camp...

I heard that joke in work last week, its doing the rounds on the mobiles !! with some others thats what happens there are always D--- heads who make jokes
out of anything ...9/11 , 7/7 infact any disaster !!

Flash

29th October 2012, 01:49

Definitely the best one hour sypnosis of the children trafficking, the involvement of the psychopaths in power and the role of the church of Scientology. So clear, succinct and easy to understand, corresponding to what I had read scattered everywhere.

This video should be part of a thread by itself and discussion on the linkings of organisations and people discussed. imo

The density of darkness is dissolved with equanimous awareness. Drip by drip, patient diligence will result in the light dissipating this darkness. But if we react with aversion ( as is a natural response to such abhorrent behaviour) we enslave ourselves to the ego of the controllers.

This is not a suggestion to hug a Satanist (although helpful such acts of compassion just get eaten up) just taking time to smile at the stupidity of humanity.

In understanding this peadophilic illness in humanities collective psyche a vision arose, a senior member of the church of Scientology was seen with a young boy.

This lead to this documentary, oh how to stop the games.
McHfS_gyZ-0

Kiforall

30th October 2012, 00:34

I put this post on another thread but it will be of use here as well.
The more I look into the legal system and it's members it becomes obvious who are 2nd tier puppeteers.
I'm going through QC's who look to e doing a lot of private handshaking.

Judge Dame Janet Smith who will be leading the BBC case is treasurer to the Honorable Society of Lincolns
Inn. She led an investigation into the abuse of autistic children in Lancaster. I cannot find any news that reports the outcome.

This place is weird. It has a library with ancient manuscripts. It's own chapel. Get on the site and look at the list of benchers!

A lot of members are in some way related to Unilever and some can easily be traced back to Jesuits and the society of Jesus.
A lot have been educated at Jesus college Oxford.

Lincoln's Inn is related to Harvard's Phi Delta Phi.

Ronan Keane QC who was Chief Justice of Ireland is another name on the benders list.( my phone keeps wanting to put bender instead of benches, must be for a reason)
He was chief justice of Ireland and led the tribunal into the Stardust Fire 1981, which found the owners legally exonerated as the fire was found to be arson.
There was a second enquiry which said there was no evidence of arson.
One family received the enormous amount of £7500 for each of her daughter's killed in the fire. The club hadn't been inspected by the fire department so the fire brigade were unaware of the location of fire exits and fire extinguisher's etc. The roof had been lined with floor tiles which were not allowed due to the fire risk.

The owners were let off and now have a business park on the land.
Keane was a student at:

The Trinity college in Dublin, which was formally The College of the Holy and undivided trinity Queen Elizabeth.

This has ancient manuscripts The Book of Kells, The four Gospels and original New Testament.

Another name is Lord Lester of Herne Hill he is a member of The American philosophical society. They have lotscof manuscripts.
1st edition Newton Pricipia and Darwin's origin of a species. Benjamin Franklin's paperwork and American Indian texts etc.
The Web is huge and it all must be related.

Some more names listed on the Lincolns Inn are, Tony Blair, Cherie Booth, Thatcher. Lord Cameron of Lochbroom
who looks to have been dead for a loooong time. John Knox is another oddly given name.
The Duke of York who has been mentioned in the abuse claims and Duke of Kent are on the top of the list.

Sorry there are no links I was whizzing through last night taking notes and before I knew it was totally lost.

I have sent the info to UK Column. They probably know already it's so bloody obvious. The Whole System is crooked beyond belief.

Zoe x

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Another name is Sir Jeremiah Harman he's seems a nice character.......:rolleyes:

http://bankruptcyandinsolvency.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/happy-birthday-sir-jeremiah-harman-some.html

Kiforall

30th October 2012, 01:31

Nelson Mandela is on the list of benchers with a QC after his name, I can't find anywhere where he studied Law.
I didn't know he had royal African lineage.

Queens Counsel (QC)
The history of QC is interesting. In the 1830's the QC was restricted to only represent the Queen, if they were asked to work for the defence they had to be issued a license and have a junior barrister overseeing them. They couldn't be trusted to uphold a civil law then. We are under the Queens Law, the Queens law allows people who follow the Common Purpose and are a use to the Common Purpose, to maintain their Status in the community without loosing face.

It looks like the top QC's have a proven track record in cases that are high profile and suddenly disappear by the now obviously contolled media.

Ronan Keanes wife Terry Kearne's son was found dead in his Dublin flat. Terry, his wife had been having a 27yr affair with Charles Haughney who was Irish Prime minister when Qc Keane was chief justice of Ireland.
They're all screwed up!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/jul/11/pressandpublishing.uknews1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/jul/11/pressandpublishing.uknews1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Counsel

bram

31st October 2012, 03:04

I grew up in north Leeds in the sixties when Jimmy Saville was making his name ligthing cigars with a five pound note. Everybody knew what kind of person he was. Hard, cruel and completely ruthless. And everybody knew about his habits with the girls- particularly the hole-in-the-heart girl (a big scandal at the time). Also he picked his victims carefully (girls from childrens homes, and hospital patients) so he knew what he was doing. However, mostly he protected himself so well by creating the illusion of being a caring person who ''did so much for charity", so even though the authorities undoubtedly knew about his sexual proclivities, no-one had the balls to challenge him. And if they had, he would have steamrollered them for sure.
However, I would balance all this with one note of realism. This was the sixties. Many girls frequently had sex before the age of 16, and many would have sought out Saville as a prized scalp. So even though sex with a 14 year old may be statutory rape, its not wuite the same when this 14 year old turns up at your dressing room in a micro-mini skirt with no knickers on!!
One lasting memory I have of him is an interview with him in his heyday when the frankly stated to the interviewer that he hated children. he said, I think that's why I work with them so well, because I can't stand them actually.
Oh and by the way, LGI is not ''Jimmy's" this refers to the largest hospital in Leeds, St. James's and it was named Jimmy's long before Saville entered the scene, in deference to the other St. Jimmy.

angelahedgehog

31st October 2012, 09:10

Doesn't this smack of something ritualistic? Gold coffin? 45 degree angle? What do you think?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059908/Jimmy-Savile-funeral-Laid-rest-golden-coffin-45-degree-angle.html

I haven't been able to shake the feeling that this exercise in 'smearing' his name is somehow linked to his soul getting some sort of long term recognition in some kind of afterlife ... Or some kind of a "sacrifice" ... You know how a person like Mother Theresa would perform after death miracles before beatification (sainthood). That image of the dark evil creature above the children's NHS beds during the Olympic opening ceremony could just as we'll have been creepy Jim.

Maybe I'm just being melodramatic. I hope that this unexpectedly opened a much larger can of worms. It would be cathartic for a few more disgusting lying, charity working, cheats to be exposed.

Oh an on the subject of his charities .... Whatever money is there should be given back to the donors and what remains to go onto the victims, though personally I wouldn't want anything that has the energy imprint of that vile, disgusting, rat.

angelahedgehog

31st October 2012, 09:40

"Nelson Mandela is on the list of benchers with a QC after his name, I can't find anywhere where he studied Law.
I didn't know he had royal African lineage."

He studied law via a correspondence course through the university of London while on Robben Island.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_London_External_Programme#Nobel_laureates

Where were you looking? Curious why you'd say that ....

learninglight

1st November 2012, 10:20

mahalall

1st November 2012, 13:39

Several decades ago, Sir Cyril Smith, the former Liberal Party member of parliament for Rochdale, reportedly informed the authorities about Jimmy Savile's high level pedophile ring (1)

Such abuse occurring in the mill towns in England brings to mind William Blake's poem Jerusalem with reference to Satanic Mills
Jerusalem, England's informal national anthem seen as a hymn of protest of the injustice within the Country and to some known as an evocation of ancient druidic culture (2) Known in Arabic, Jerusalem is most commonly known as القُدس, transliterated as al-Quds and meaning "The Holy" or "The Holy Sanctuary (3)

"And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land" (4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yIWBO_7nio&feature=related

Makes one wonder? if the full extent of the depth of Saville's abuse ring is not exposed what type of holy land is being creating?

(1) http://www.aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/...1_archive.html
(2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6G0yoLfLlE
(3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem
(4) http://www.famousliteraryworks.com/blake_jerusalem.htm

Kiforall

1st November 2012, 14:31

Cidersomerset

1st November 2012, 15:27

A lot of members are in some way related to Unilever and some can easily be traced back to Jesuits and the society of Jesus.
A lot have been educated at Jesus college Oxford.

I have been on the William Dean Garner w/Kerry Cassidy Interview and that has alot about how the Jesuits running the world.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51441-William-Dean-Garner-w-Kerry-Cassidy-Interview&p=577582#post577582

Also I have wondered for years how a high proportion of our polititions are ex Lawyers ? and the Robert Green/Holly Greig case
highlited something very wrong with the scottish legal system .

Nelson Mandela is on the list of benchers with a QC after his name, I can't find anywhere where he studied Law.
I didn't know he had royal African lineage.

It seems he was made a honorary QC in 2000, not sure why. Other than he studied
alot in prison , maybe law related?

http://static7.imagecollect.com/preview/560/b5c0a7e5ddc2344

Cidersomerset

1st November 2012, 16:00

I would balance all this with one note of realism. This was the sixties. Many girls frequently had sex before the age of 16, and many would have sought out Saville as a prized scalp. So even though sex with a 14 year old may be statutory rape, its not wuite the same when this 14 year old turns up at your dressing room in a micro-mini skirt with no knickers on!!

Hi Bram this is somthing i thought about when you see film of all those screaming young girls and boys caught up in the hype of the Pop scene when sexually you
are vulnerable, with hormones ,peer pressure and confusion flying all over the place. At the end of the day Saville and others were middle aged men and knew exactly
what they were doing. Exploiting young vulnerable adults/minors/children for sexual satifaction ! Even if a any were willing , they were still victims.

The culture was confusing as I was growing up, the bawdy Carry on films , The Confession films and the one that sticks in my mind was 'Stardust' with David Essex
I was in my early teens and saw it in the cinema with my mates.We said at the end concerning the drugs aspect this must be rife and if you think of the stories
of Elton john, David Bowie, Rod stewart , The Who ,Rolling Stones Beatles and all the others then you see how some this could be camoflaged in the media.

It seems this has been rife in the elites for thousands of years , so I'm not saying pop culture is to blame, it just deflected it away from the real culprits imo..

Cidersomerset

1st November 2012, 16:08

Thanks Learninglight worth highliting the article I think !!

Jimmy Savile: Secret of BBC’s first sex scandal
Top disc jockeys and executives at the BBC were caught up in a sex scandal more than 40 years ago.

By Robert Mendick, and Laura Donnelly
9:00PM BST 20 Oct 2012

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02374/onlinepage2_2374681b.jpg

It was a sex scandal that engulfed the BBC and epitomised the “swinging” times.

More than 40 years ago, the corporation’s top disc jockeys and executives were caught up in the most tawdry of allegations — that in return for playing their records, music companies hired prostitutes for them.

Orgies were arranged involving BBC staff, call girls and others at the house of a brothel-keeper in Kensington in west London. From behind a two-way mirror, other executives and celebrities looked on.

Prostitutes were also provided at hotels and other locations in the West End.

The claims, dating back to 1971, shocked the public, and the police launched an investigation into what became known as the “payola” scandal.

The word is derived from the Victrola, an early brand of phonograph, and has been used in America since the early days of radio in the 1920s to describe payments or favours offered by music promoters in return for airtime.

The BBC launched an independent inquiry led by a QC.

The conclusions of that inquiry have remained locked away for four decades.

However, The Telegraph can disclose that Jimmy Savile was questioned by a legal team over the allegations but refused to co-operate.

He even made fun of the solicitor, according to a senior BBC source, prompting a complaint to BBC bosses that was seemingly ignored.

It was a time when pressure was growing on Savile, already one of the BBC’s biggest stars.

Top of the Pops, which he hosted, was the subject of a separate but related police inquiry in 1971, led by the same detectives, into claims that a 15-year-old dancer on the programme had been “used” by disc jockeys and other celebrities.

The girl, Clair McAlpine, subsequently committed suicide. She had named Savile in her diary as one of those abusers, according to her family.

The payola scandal was just what Savile would not have needed. The BBC inquiry was led by Brian Neill, a brilliant young QC, with interviews conducted by James Crocker, an outside solicitor.

The Neill report has never been made public, and it is not known whether Savile was named in its final written version, but a source said: “Savile was one of a number of DJs asked about the payola scandal. Savile came before Crocker but just made fun of him.

“He sent Crocker up, and Crocker complained bitterly to the BBC. He went to the head of the BBC’s legal team, Richard Marshall, who had set up the inquiry, but there was nothing he could do about it. This all remained private within the BBC.”

The suggestion that Savile was under investigation — although nothing was ever proven — raises difficult questions for the BBC. It will inevitably prompt further concerns that the behaviour of Savile and other executives and DJs was allowed to continue unfettered and effectively covered up.

It had long been rumoured that Savile, who at the time was in his mid-40s, was taking advantage of under age girls on the Top of the Pops set and elsewhere. But he was also one of the BBC’s biggest draws.

The Metropolitan Police have launched a fresh criminal inquiry into claims that Savile raped and assaulted women and under age girls at a series of locations including BBC changing rooms, hospitals and children’s homes.

But in an email to staff two weeks ago, George Entwistle, the director-general, insisted that having carried out “a thorough search of our written records … crucially and regrettably, it appears no complaints were made at the time — and we have found nothing at this stage to suggest any known wrongdoing was ignored by management.”

The payola scandal blew up in the BBC’s face after an undercover exposé by the News of the World in February 1971. Clair McAlpine committed suicide three months later.

BBC executives and disc jockeys were accused by the News of the World of rigging the pop charts in return for sexual favours, cash and free holidays from record firms.

The result was a widespread police investigation and charges two years later against a number of people, among them a record company executive, a BBC producer, a theatrical agent and several record promoters.

The pop singer Dorothy Squires, who had once been married to Sir Roger Moore, was also arrested after her songs began inexplicably to gain airplay on Radio 1. The case against her was subsequently dropped.

Janie Jones, a singer who ran sex parties at her home in Kensington, was jailed for three years in 1974 after becoming snared in the scandal.

She was found guilty of controlling prostitutes and trying to pervert the course of justice. After being tracked down by The Telegraph, Miss Jones told how she was summoned to meet Savile on her release in 1977.

It was a bizarre encounter in which Savile accused her of siding with Myra Hindley, whose release she campaigned for after meeting the killer in jail, while expressing his own desire to have sex with under age girls.

Savile, according to Miss Jones, was an apparently keen supporter of Ian Brady, Hindley’s accomplice in the Moors murders.

Miss Jones, now 75, said: “Savile just kept saying that he could not understand why people went on about 13-year-old girls because they were 'gagging’ for it. I told him that anybody who wants to go with a 13-year-old is a paedophile.

"Then he was bragging that he had met Ian Brady. He said it was disgraceful that I was siding with Hindley against Brady. At the time he was doing Jim’ll Fix It, but he was interested in 13-year-olds.”

Savile was intrigued, Jones says, by her parties at which women — she insists they were always over the age of consent — had dressed as schoolgirls. She insisted that Savile had never been to her parties but that other disc jockeys had.

The BBC has now launched a new investigation into the DJ, headed by an independent judge. It will look at claims that young girls were raped or assaulted on BBC premises and what the corporation knew at the time.

A BBC spokesman said last week: “Following a series of allegations against the BBC and Top Of The Pops in the 1970s, the BBC commissioned Brian Neill QC to carry out an independent investigation.”

The spokesman was unable to say whether the report was ever made public or whether Savile was interviewed for the inquiry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9623109/Jimmy-Savile-Secret-of-BBCs-first-sex-scandal.html

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The problem I have is I don't believe we have independent QC's the Queen Counsel is exactly as it says.
Until the law is upheld following the constitution, where humanity out ways the immoral path of Common purpose, I don't think the truth will be truly disclosed.

The big question is who can we trust to represent us?

Zoe x

I agree they are all mainly from the same social class, and it would not
surprise me if they are from the same blood lines . Like all the US Presidents bar
one being related to the British royal family...LOL..

Cidersomerset

1st November 2012, 16:19

This was on David Ickes site yesterday...The story is from mondays Guardian...

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Oct201296/34.png

Jimmy Savile, who is said to have acted as a kind of marriage counsellor between Prince Charles and Diana. Photograph: Gary Calton for the Observer

A former senior royal aide has revealed that Jimmy Savile's behaviour when he visited Prince Charles's official home at St James' Palace was a cause for "concern and suspicion".

Dickie Arbiter, who handled media relations for the Prince and Princess of Wales while spokesman for the Queen between 1988 and 2000, said the suspected paedophile TV presenter used to rub his lips up the arms of Prince Charles's young female assistants as a greeting.

Savile is understood to have visited Prince Charles's official London residence several times in the late 1980s when he was acting as a kind of marriage counsellor between Charles and Princess Diana. A spokesman for the Prince of Wales confirmed the prince and Savile formed a relationship in the late 1970s after coming together through their work with wheelchair sports charities. Charles led tributes to Savile when he died a year ago.

"He would walk into the office and do the rounds of the young ladies taking their hands and rubbing his lips all the way up their arms if they were wearing short sleeves," Arbiter said of Savile. "If it was summer [and their arms were bare] his bottom lip would curl out and he would run it up their arms. This was at St James's Palace. The women were in their mid to late 20s doing typing and secretarial work."

Arbiter did not raise his concerns formally and there is no suggestion Savile committed any crimes while on royal premises or when he was with Prince Charles on numerous occasions from the 1970s onwards. But the concern over his behaviour expressed by a senior aide will raise questions over how Savile, who is now under investigation in relation to child abuse involving 300 potential victims, managed to develop such a long-standing relationship with the heir to the throne.

Asked about Savile's behaviour with the royal assistants or whether Prince Charles had taken any action to find out if anyone in his family or staff might have suffered any abuse or have any information relating to the criminal investigation into Savile's alleged paedophilia, a spokesman for the prince said: "We have no record of anyone making a complaint."

"The prince first met Savile through their shared interest in supporting disability charities [the prince became patron of the British Wheelchair Sports Foundation in the late 1970s] and it was primarily because of this connection that they maintained a relationship in the years that followed," the spokesman said.

Arbiter said he thought the women might have thought Savile's greeting was "rather funny", but he said it was a cause for concern and he struggled to understand why Savile was granted such access to the royal family.

"I looked at him as a court jester and told him so," said Arbiter. "I remember calling him an old reprobate and he said 'not so much of the old'."

Concern about Savile's behaviour at the palace emerged as Sir Roger Jones, former chairman of the BBC's corporate charity Children In Need, said he had been so uncomfortable about Savile that he did not allow him to have any association with the cause. Jones, a BBC governor from 1997 to 2002, said he had "no evidence" that Savile was up to anything but "we all recognised he was a pretty creepy sort of character".

"When I was with Children In Need, we took the decision that we didn't want him anywhere near to the charity," he told the BBC.

Prince Charles met Savile on numerous occasions. In 1999 he accepted an invitation to a private meal at Savile's Glencoe home which was this week daubed with graffiti reading "Jimmy the beast". Savile asked three local women to dress up in pinafores emblazoned with the letters HRH and Charles subsequently sent the television presenter a Christmas card with the note: "Jimmy, with affectionate greetings from Charles. Give my love to your ladies in Scotland."

Charles reportedly sent him a box of cigars and a pair of gold cufflinks on his 80th birthday with a note that read: "Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country Jimmy. This is to go some way in thanking you for that."

Savile used to boast of his royal connections, made sure to be photographed with Charles on numerous occasions and ingratiated himself once telling the Daily Mail the prince was "the nicest man you will ever meet".

"Royalty are surrounded by people who don't know how to deal with it," Savile said in an interview. "I have a freshness of approach which they obviously find to their liking. I think I get invited because I have a natural, good fun way of going on and we have a laugh. They don't get too many laughs."

The day after the meal in Glencoe Savile persuaded Charles to join him for a photo opportunity at his local post office where he went to pick up his pension money.

"The post office photo opportunity was definitely [down to] him [Savile]," said Coleen Harris, Prince Charles's press secretary. "You always think that other people are getting more out of these things [than the prince] but on the whole it is for a good reason, for the charities and it is a positive thing."

She added: "Personally I always thought he was slightly eccentric, but beyond that I had no idea. He was a slightly odd bloke, but not in a cruel way."

Arbiter said that despite Savile's unusual behaviour with the royal administrative staff there was no evidence of any other cause for suspicion.

"There was a limit to what he could get away with in the royal household," he said.

He also said palace advisers felt the prince's charities might benefit from a connection with Savile, at the time one of the country's most famous TV stars.

Perhaps Savile's most unlikely role was that of personal counsel to Prince Charles in the late 1980s at a time when the royal family was in deep trouble. The marriages of Charles and Diana and Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson were disintegrating. Around new year 1990 Charles asked Savile to help the Duchess of York with what Savile later said was keeping her profile down.

Princess Diana was recorded telling James Gilbey on the so-called "squidgygate tape": "Jimmy Savile rang me up yesterday, and he said: 'I'm just ringing up, my girl, to tell you that His Nibs [Prince Charles] has asked me to come and help out the redhead [the Duchess of York], and I'm just letting you know, so that you don't find out through her or him; and I hope it's all right by you.'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/29/jimmy-savile-behaviour-prince-charles

Arbitors quote...We have heard this before in a earlier # post

"I looked at him as a court jester and told him so," said Arbiter. "I remember calling him an old reprobate and he said 'not so much of the old'."

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/28/article-2165994-004A3E28000004B0-426_634x457.jpg

learninglight

1st November 2012, 17:23

FYI

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9623109/Jimmy-Savile-Secret-of-BBCs-first-sex-scandal.html

Lots of info here, blows this whole affair wide open imo : http://www.aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012_11_01_archive.html

Sharon

The problem I have is I don't believe we have independent QC's the Queen Counsel is exactly as it says.
Until the law is upheld following the constitution, where humanity out ways the immoral path of Common purpose, I don't think the truth will be truly disclosed.

The big question is who can we trust to represent us?

Zoe x

Agree totally but til then we get as much of this out there as possible, it's the only way imo

I can't spend much time on line as connection on campsite ****e but i will contribute as much as possible

Cidersomerset

i take my hat off to you for starting this thread and keeping it up to date :)

Sharon

learninglight

1st November 2012, 17:33

This is interesting

Tony Blair as 'Miranda '

HE WHO PAYS THE PIPER
T Stokes London

People ask, 'why do politicians get into power and then ignore the wishes of the electorate' ? its quite simple the financial backers choose carefully people with character flaws that can be bribed or blackmailed. Look at Winston Churchill in the thirties, both the Times mag and Homes and Gardens magazine voted Hitler man of the year, Manpower mag said if Hitler can achieve such prosperity and with full employment surely we can do it in Britain?
Many in government admired him and Oswald Mosely was such a talented negotiator and politician that he was asked to lead both major political parties but knew they were too infiltrated and corrupted so started his own National Socialists party as an alternative.

Neville Chamberlain had a team which secretly spent 4 years studying the German model and planned to implement part of it in Britain, suddenly Churchill decided the Russians are not the threat but Germany, and agitates for war; Hitler was shocked at this because under the Chamberlain agreements the Anglo Saxon family were to join against Russia.

Churchill had huge gambling, drinking and whoring bills, and Jock Colville claimed he usually insisted on ginger haired prostitutes, so they bought him a ginger tomcat as a private joke.

Churchill’s sandhurst file, the original and proper one lists him as, 'a confirmed sodomite and a menace to the younger boys' ( Courtesy of guy burgess diaries ) this waywardness allowed Churchill to be used by the bankers, under the carrot and the stick, you do as we say and you get paid x amount, you don’t do as we say and we ruin you. In W W 1 Churchill took bankers cash in the name of Colonel Arden, and W W II his secretary said several names were used, Mr. A Conner’s was alleged to be just one.

How Britain came to be in the EU under such disastrous terms was because Edward Heath was allegedly a cuprophiliac, he would regularly take boys from certain care homes away on his boat for weekends. His sheets had to be perfectly white, clean ironed and perfumed, Heaths obsession with this made the boats name 'morning cloud' the subject of many in house jokes, nevertheless he was seriously warned 4 times by the police for hanging around public toilets, special branch had to appoint a man especially to protect him, it was Liberal party Leader Jeremy Thorpes threat to bring down Edward Heath and a big bunch of other politicians, which got him off the Norman Scott attempted murder court case. The name 'Mr. Eddy' was well known on Hampstead Heath and the boys home nearby in the seventies.

Labour politician Tom Driberg was said to spend as much time in public lavatories as the houses of parliament and he gave in 1972 a long list of top people involved in 'blackmail-able' sexual pursuits to M I 5. This same list in the same order would later turn up in the KGB London office, top of this list was Sir Anthony Blunt, who was believed to be a procurer of men and young lads, when a person dies their bowels tighten then release, and Blunt was said to have strangled young boys while being sodomized in 'snuff' killings, this is supposed to heighten the sexual climax. He would obtain boys from care homes for David Temple, who was also known as 'Soxon Rothschild, because he always kept his socks on while naked.

Blunt knew actor Peter Arne who allegedly would take food to tramps sleeping in the local park in exchange for sex and Arne had contacts at the top of the political tree, and was picked out by several boys in mug shot pics as hanging about outside boys schools.

In 1983 at Bow St Magistrates Court a certain Charles Lynton was fined £50 for attempted soliciting in city toilets, the police notes were to disappear later along with several prior verbal warnings, Charles Lynton was at university well known as 'Miranda' a promiscuous cross dresser who played a guitar badly. Charles Lynton is Tony Blair’s middle names, and it was lord levy who funded and greased Tony Blair through the hoop into the prime minister’s office for one reason, the Iraq war.

Peter Mandelson and Cherie Blair hated each other, Mandelson as top Rothschild apparatchik for Britian was rumoured to boss and bully Blair, but after a row with the French the newspapers were tipped off anonymously that Frederic Mitterrand was paying young boys for sex, but a small security firm phone tapping for a newspaper, claimed the tip came from Mandelsons people.

The NSA whistleblower David Murphy-Fawkes has said they listened in to all Tony Blairs calls, as the US senate saw him as a lightweight 'Pinocchio' figure.

In march 2003 Peter Mandelson officially endorsed Leo Gillan as his political candidate, who then lost out to a man in a monkey suit, 'hangus' the monkey was offering a free banana to schoolchildren, 'hangus' was an in joke on the campaign to hang war criminals such as Saddam Hussein and Tony Blair.

Mandelson while business minister showed his true metal while holidaying on Deripaskas yacht, now Deripaska is banned under organized crime regs in the USA, but according to the Daily Mail 23rd May 2010, Nat Rothschild, Deripaska and Mandelson shook hands on a £500 million aluminum deal that cost many Britons their jobs, much of this is said to be in chemtrail drops. These 3 were joked about in the MI5 canteen as 'the axis of evil' and 'the 3 jewboys' and when Mandelson was admitted into a French hospital recently with prostate problems, the French doctors report told of felching injuries, felching is the gay sport where a cardboard tube is pushed into the rectum and a small furry animal slid down inside, our Peter apparently was scratched internally rather badly.

Peter Mandelson is controlling director of the NSPCC, and when Margaret Hodge ( Oppenheimer) was children’s minister she lived next door to Tony Blair, they also knew childline funders Sarah Caplin and Esther Rantzen, who are connected to TV mogul Michael Grade.

The Metropolitan police tell us that a score of scandals have hit children’s homes across the country, and strangely all has gone very silent, except for the Holly Greg case, now this is the only one that involves a girl all the rest being boys, one reporter for a newspaper asked Westminster police why has all this not got out,? and pointed at chief children’s minister Mrs. Hodge ? , and asked if this was a conspiracy of silence and if so why?

Interestingly a score of names of frequent visitors to these care homes including pop musicians DJs and top politicians. Was a gag order imposed by Tony Blair,? including mention that Gordon Brown was close to several rent boys and Sarah Macauley was paid £50,000 to marry him and stay the course, this out of publisher Robert Maxwell's 'black widow fund' which went usually to Zionist activists. Maxwell's daughter Ghislaine is said to be fund administrator and close to Prince Andrew, and all this is why no politician does what it says on the tin, because they have to dance to the paymasters tune ‘He who pays the piper, calls the tune.'

'There are 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, but just 1 hacking at the root' - Henry Thoreau

T Stokes London

Link : http://thetruthnews.info/Tony_Blair_as_Miranda.html

Sharon

avid

1st November 2012, 18:51

Nasty as it is - and the PTB will try to sweep this under-the-carpet, it's important that we OUT the paedophiles, those who are obviously blackmailed in the highest of PAWN positions (why were they 'placed' there?). The filth that is crawling out at the moment is just the odd 'worm' escaping from under a dank and decrepit carpet. I'm watching the 'cover-ups', the ominous silences - our judiciary in the UK is obviously complicit (Holly Greig et al).
To all 'handshakers' - you could all be taken out tomorrow, (guilty or innocent) so give it up today.
You swore an oath to WHOM...? Get your benevolent conscience back...

Cidersomerset

1st November 2012, 19:04

Breaking news i am watching channel 4 news live the headline is Freddie star who i mantioned in a ealier post on this thread
with a odd interview . Has been arrested by police and taken into custody !!

Freddie Starr arrested by Jimmy Savile police "on suspicion of sexual offences"
1 Nov 2012 18:45

Police said a man in his 60s from Warwickshire was arrested at around 5.45pm and taken to a local police station

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1370907.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Freddie+Starr+on+This+Morning

Freddie Starr has been arrested today by police investigating Jimmy Savile abuse claims.

A Metropolitan Police statement said a man in his 60s from Warwickshire was arrested at around 5.45pm and taken to a local police station.

It read: "Officers working on Operation Yewtree have this evening, 1 November, arrested a man in his 60s in connection with the investigation.

"The man, from Warwickshire, was arrested at approximately 17.45 hrs on suspicion of sexual offences, and has been taken into police custody locally.

"The individual falls under the strand of the investigation we have termed 'Savile and others'."

Karin Ward has alleged comedian Freddie Starr molested her in Savile’s BBC dressing room when she was 14.

Last week the 69-year-old star, who has vigorously denied claims, said he wanted to be interviewed by police.

This is the second arrest in Operation Yewtree, the investigation into alleged child sexual exploitation by 'Savile and others'.

At the weekend former glam rocker Gary Glitter was quizzed for 10 hours by Scotland Yard detectives.

The Met Police said last month that more than 400 lines of inquiry had been assessed and over 200 potential victims identified.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/freddie-starr-arrested-by-jimmy-savile-1412021

avid

1st November 2012, 19:46

The tip of an iceberg - the rest are desperately covering their tracks and creating 'fall-guys'...
Madame Defarge is awaiting with her knitting.... ;-)

Cidersomerset

1st November 2012, 20:39

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Published on 1 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

The comedian Freddie Starr has been arrested on suspicion of sexual offences, by officers working on part of the Operation Yewtree investigation into abuse by Jimmy Savile and others.

Like Saville , Freddie Starr & Gary Glitter were very flamboyant charectors in the
70's 80' & 90's used to controvercy!!

Older British members/viewers will know what this is about ! Freddie Star
alledgedly bit the head off a hamster !
http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8470/8105651649_7c849c0a5a.jpg

http://suchandrika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/freddie-starr.jpg

Freddie denied this happened!

The worry is it will stop with Starr & Glitter, being used to hide others !!

Kiforall

1st November 2012, 22:03

Debra

2nd November 2012, 00:20

Kiforall

2nd November 2012, 01:11

Cidersomerset .. Thank you for keeping this thread humming along. I have gone through my own dark night of the soul in trying to piece together what I might have been told, what I might have seen and what I did know during some of these years, which amount to the reign of Savile - primarily in his connection with the BBC. And although I knew that the currency of sex was used in exchange for records getting played, i am distressed that another layer - pedophilia - was being so blatantly carried out as well. And the fact it extended out into society at large by this sick **** now makes me more determined to be out with the truth. To play the games of hidden and secrecy only perpetuates this disease. Shining a clear and strong light on these people as their identities come into focus is the only way to keep this campaign alive. Because while I write, this crime against children and the vulnerable continues. On Avalon, we are more than aware of this. As distasteful as this subject is, it cannot be ignored. I have already started conversations in the more public forums like Facebook ( much to the horror of some) but I cannot sit back and just make silly savile jokes. Although the jokes have currency too, I don't dismiss them as useless but I keep asking myself: what more can I do to change this set up? To help draw the pus out.

No, this is not a nice topic.

But,

In some twisted way, this outing of Savile and others in his direct line, is a gift. An invitation to introduce others to the more insidious underbelly of evil that runs this show that Savile became a part of.

Personally, I am taking this as an opportunity and where i can i will be part of a public movement to crack open and seize this blight once and for all.

If we don't say something if we know something, then we are complicit in keeping it going.

I cannot live with that.

Regards Zebra, I too have been putting links on facebook to the UKcolumn video detailing the paedophilia ring.
I put some on sites like barnardos, NSPCA, Parents in touch, Cheryl Cole and any highly viewed sites. Some have remained and some have been removed. I particularly got a buzz putting links on known associated pages.

I got over the fear that I may get a knock on the door (at best lol)
I still get the odd quiver but I'm able to accept it and tell it I don't care anymore, it doesn't scare me anymore.
I do not want my grandchildren facing the consequences of our silence.

I am also aware of the fact that how we deal with the perpetrators will affect how the investigation unfolds.
If these people are faced with public hate and outcry it will not be an easy place to lure the half decent ones out.
We need to accept what they have done no matter how undoubtedly evil it is.
We need to offer forgiveness, support and more importantly Love.

If I think about my own demons that I have fought and then imagine what demons dwell within these sick individuals I can start to flutter a bit of compassion.

It is a force that is unknown to them, more powerful than they ever imagined and we must use it in whatever ever way people are capable of at the moment. Just ceasing the hate for these people will empower this investigation.
We do not want public slaughter of these people, we want a united joy that the truth is emerging.
We must remember that almost all the people involved have been screwed up by people who should have known better.

Zoe x

Zoe x

Cidersomerset

2nd November 2012, 01:37

Thanks Zebra , Zoe, avid , Learninglight ,Malahall, Flash, Angelhedgehog, bram,Nickmartin,Jenci,Norman,araurcaria,billyJ ,Kiwielf,Pugwash,Devilpidgeon,
Taurean,Fred Ryan, Ellisa,Skibadaboski,en-iel,mariposafe for keeping this thread going as well ..Cheers Steve !!

Debra

2nd November 2012, 01:51

Kifforall, you are right about how perpetrators are dealt with .. But really, do you think they will come out willingly? Sure there have been cases .. I remember seeing that video about that French guy who came out .. And also the German commercials, which encourage them to come forward.

But there is also layer of elite pedophiles and I am no longer prepared to get politically correct about the handling of them .. Because it seems that they go out of their way to implicate and recruit new members with no conscience whatsoever.

I like to think that beneath evil lies a damaged soul, which just needs love, understanding and a supported program of healing, but let us not forget that it is also a crafty beast that we are dealing with as well, which will play you to the end.

And also a system that supports this bull****.

I feel that if someone is conscious that what they are doing is against the wishes of another being ..or exerting power over someone vulnerable, then that person deserves to be dealt with swiftly and called out. No exceptions. That, for me is being spiritually intelligent, spiritually strong.

Political correctness, in my view, has also developed an unsavoury habit of protecting perpetrators to the extent of devaluing victims and their families. And this is not just in cases related to crimes of pedophilia.

Kiforall

2nd November 2012, 02:04

I'm not hugely heads up on reincarnation but if these people who could be classed as a waste of oxygen are destroyed now and they reincarnate do they come back to have everything done to them as they did to their victims. Or does the negativity come through in other experiences.

However, would it not be for the best to allow some issues to be dealt with in this life and have a very slightly better soul in it's next life. There would be less for others to fight against.

Another weird thought I had the other night was, can they control which body/life they return in. I mean to the point that they do ritualized conception for evil sprits to return.

Zoe x

Debra

2nd November 2012, 02:16

I get this feeling that the elite perpetrators - some anyway - are also setting themselves up to be exposed .. Because they want to undergo an acceleration of soul growth in this time as well. Why else I wonder is all this bubbling up like a fermenting volcano - if you believe that this is part of a life plan created by a soul before it was born.

So, the question is there: did Savile help set this up?

I think he did.

Should we thank him for this? Well, if we look at the big soul picture - and the chance for humanity to wake up and engage more consciously with the ascension process .. Then I guess the answer would be, yes !

Rocky_Shorz

2nd November 2012, 02:19

And Freddie has just had a baby with his new woman.

Imagine him being a father, I'd castrate them all if they can't control themselves. (they'd be allowed an aneasthetic if they begged forgiveness for all the innocent souls they've destroyed )

Zoe x

sorry I've been keeping quiet on this subject, I helped teach the feds how to create invisible probes to track these monsters and uncover ever point of communications to uncover others, when you hear of thousands being taken down at once, it is my effort in action.

if you think I get upset with the tea party, if I start digging into this, people will start bursting into flames...

I need to save it for good right now, but thanks to all of you for everything you are doing to get justice for children...

ThePythonicCow

2nd November 2012, 04:22

I helped teach the feds how to create invisible probes to track these monsters and uncover ever point of communications to uncover others, when you hear of thousands being taken down at once, it is my effort in action.
May the force be with you, as they say.

Rocky_Shorz

2nd November 2012, 05:08

it was a pretty cool project with Microsoft, couldn't do it from the US so it was moved out of the country...

I have a probe probe... we're good... ;)

Cidersomerset

2nd November 2012, 19:39

David Icke quoted positively in last sundays Guardian, things are looking up !

Savile 'the tip of the iceberg'

Friday, 02 November 2012 13:19

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November2012/savile-heath-500x333.jpg

'Savile’s BBC colleague David Icke, who went from respected broadcaster to laughing stock, was at the forefront of such claims in the Nineties when he named Savile and others as paedophiles.

Icke claimed Savile supplied children from Jersey’s infamous Haut de la Garenne care home to a senior British MP. Savile denied knowing the home, the scene of a police investigation in 2008 that uncovered widespread child abuse. He lied. There is pictorial evidence of him there.'

I never met Jimmy Savile at the BBC, but I was told all about his paedophilia and necrophilia by a royal insider in the 1990s. The senior 'British MP' that is mentioned here is former Prime Minister Edward Heath (seen above with Savile). I named Heath as a paedophile, Satanist and serial child killer in The Biggest Secret in 1998 - seven years before he died.

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Sunday October 28,2012
By Sonia Poulton

IN THE weeks that have followed Jimmy Savile being revealed as a paedophile his carefully crafted charitable reputation has been obliterated. The national treasure decorated by the Queen and given keys to hospitals has been laid bare and described by one investigating officer as “the most prolific serial sex abuser in history”.

Increasingly, though, rather than being the solitary pervert operating with
impunity, Savile may be the tip of a large iceberg.
As more victims reveal abuse at the hands of Savile, or his extensive circle of friends, it appears the silence that surrounded him may say less about his celebrity status and more about whom he may have implicated had his crimes been exposed. Certainly we know that Savile was subject to at least five police probes over five decades. All were quashed. Why? We have yet to be told.

http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/41/285x214/354945_1.jpg#Labour-MP

Labour MP Tom Watson raised the issue of a paedophile ring in Parliament

For many it reeks of an establishment cover-up, though for years detractors referred to it as “conspiracy theory”.

Savile’s BBC colleague David Icke, who went from respected broadcaster to laughing stock, was at the forefront of such claims in the Nineties when he named Savile and others as paedophiles.

Icke claimed Savile supplied children from Jersey’s infamous Haut de la Garenne care home to a senior British MP. Savile denied knowing the home, the scene of a police investigation in 2008 that uncovered widespread child abuse. He lied. There is pictorial evidence of him there.

Last week, during Prime Minister’s Questions, Labour MP Tom Watson raised the issue of a paedophile ring in Parliament and alluded to a former PM. David Cameron, all perplexed, said he would look into it. Minutes after PMQs, Tory MP Rob Wilson was on Sky News appearing to laugh off Watson’s claims.

This cannot go on. It was these sorts of hasty dismissals that helped Savile get away with it. People laughed it off and claimed “nutters” were saying it.
Well I can tell Mr Cameron that this claim is not sensational, anything but. In fact Tom Watson has barely scratched the surface.

I have compiled a list of 132 utterly shameless establishment child abusers. These include MPs, lords and local councillors. A similar list for members of Her Majesty’s Constabulary exists.

I don’t believe these lists are complete. This is not conjecture or media gossip but people, primarily men, who have been prosecuted for child sex offences throughout the UK.

Many of these abusers still represent constituents and are “serving the public”. At the very least we should know who they are, where they are and if their public decisions are influenced by the greater good or their own twisted perversions.

As a journalist, and in light of the Savile revelations, people have contacted me desperate to share their abuse stories.

Some accuse powerful members of the establishment. Several household-name MPs are said to have committed acts of degradation against children as young as six.

Yes, some of these callers may be jumping on the bandwagon but not many are, as independent corroboration of their stories has already confirmed.

So let’s not be under any illusion that this is only about Savile. I fear it is far from it.

The Government must immediately announce an independent inquiry. It must be public and transparent and it must leave no stone unturned. The credibility of Parliament is at an all-time low and serious questions must be answered.Why did Ken Clarke, as justice minister, halve sentences of paedophiles last year in a controversial announcement?

Why did the Cabinet Office issue threatening letters last week to internet bloggers warning that they must not repeat allegations of a child actor claiming to have been touched by a member of the Coalition?

Then there is the question that overshadows the whole Savile inquiry: why was he allowed to become so close to royalty and government? Surely it is the job of the security services to investigate the lifestyle of those who have access to our figureheads?

Yes, this is a dark time in our nation’s history but we must face it head on and keep going until we know the full, unexpurgated truth, no matter how unedifying future revelations may be.

Judging by some of the testimonies I have heard it is likely to be very shocking indeed. There is no alternative. The victims need the truth to be told, no matter how powerful or connected their abusers may prove to be.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/354945/Sex-abuse-is-guilty-secret

Kiforall

2nd November 2012, 20:15

Then there is the question that overshadows the whole Savile inquiry: why was he allowed to become so close to royalty and government? Surely it is the job of the security services to investigate the lifestyle of those who have access to our figureheads?

What a laugh, to think that the Royal Family needed protecting from Saville.
He was employee of the decade!!

Zoe x

Cidersomerset

2nd November 2012, 20:21

What a laugh, to think that the Royal Family needed protecting from Saville.
He was employee of the decade!!

I know how do you tell the public , saville and others were precuring Children for their sexual use.

Then go onto some are killed in ritualistic, murder to get their energy !

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These are old vids just shows you how long some researchers have been trying to
get this out, but worth a look for anyone new looking in. In light of recent revolations
this is not as far fetched as the mainstream would have us believe !

Davids has been saying this for years !!

David Icke Ritual Satanic talmud cabal Child Sex Abuse By Elites FED BCE IMF FMI

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The first 30 mins is the same as above .

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This program presents the staggering story of human sacrifice and satanic rituals involving the most famous people in the world. World famous conspiracy researcher David Icke hosts an interview with Arizona Wilder, formerly Jennifer Greene, who was programmed and trained to conduct satanic rituals by Joseph Mengele a.k.a. the Angel of Death from the Nazi death camps of World War II.

Arizona Wilder describes how she conducted rituals in which the Queen, the Queen Mother and other members of the British Royal Family sacrificed children in satanic ceremonies. She talks of the same experiences with Henry Kissinger, George Bush, Bill Clinton, members of the Rockefeller and Rothschild families and a host of the most famous names in the United States and the United Kingdom. Your view of the world will never be the same when you hear the revelations of Arizona Wilder and their shocking relevance in our lives today.

P.S. from the uploader

While my personal Biblical beliefs may not be fully compatible with those of David Icke, this account along with David's own introduction is very educational and realistic. After I watched this video for the first time, I spent months processing the information, doubting its authenticy, and trying to reconcile all the facts with my theology. My conclusion was that this material was absolutely effective and helpful if you were to understand the bigger picture of the world we live in.

As for the supernatural phenomena described, you are free to find an explanation that suits you best. However, I came to find them completely possible, once having spent some time with practising exorcists who have ministered numerously to similar victims. Now, I have a much clearer picture of who and what really the Antichrist is.

avid

2nd November 2012, 20:40

HOLLY GREIG!!!! Never give up!!!

Cidersomerset

2nd November 2012, 20:53

HOLLY GREIG!!!! Never give up!!!

Definately !!

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David Icke - Red Ice Radio - 03-23-10 - The Hollie Greig Case & Satanic Networks

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Red Ice Radio - Anne Greig & Robert Green - Pt 1 - The Scottish Est. Peadophile Ring & Cover Up
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Cidersomerset

2nd November 2012, 21:01

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David Icke and Bill Maloney at UK Rally Against Child Abuse 2010

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I have put some these vids on a earlier thread last year ...........

araucaria

2nd November 2012, 21:40

Keep up the good work, Cidersomerset, the ramifications are truly huge, not only government and royalty, the health system and no doubt the legal system but also the church - Savile's knighthood from the pope doubtless ties in somewhere with the paedophile priest network. The whole house of cards must come tumbling down

Kiforall

3rd November 2012, 02:54

Bring back Spitting Image!

Zoe x

mahalall

3rd November 2012, 15:22

Social conditioning that empowered peadophilic behaviour.

"Children should be seen and not heard"

In the original form of this proverb it was specifically young women who were expected to keep quiet. This opinion is recorded in the 15th century collections of homilies written by an Augustinian clergyman called [John] Mirk's Festial, circa 1450:
Hyt ys old Englysch sawe: A mayde schuld be seen, but not herd.
While the expression was aimed at women, the Old English names denoting gender are now somewhat altered. A 'mayde' was normally a young female, usually unmarried, although it was also used to denote celibate men. Girls however, could be of either sex, the term simply meaning young child (1)

The parenting tool of the Victorians, dictating that children should be seen and not heard, and every aspect of young people’s lives should be determined by their parents or guardians. They reflected and were reinforced by common law, which made little distinction between children and chattels (2)

(1)http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/children-should-be-seen-and-not-heard.html
(2) http://www.liv.ac.uk/researchintelligence/issue35/cscfl.htm

Kiforall

3rd November 2012, 19:21

After the news night program last night it looks as though a lot of previous child abuse cases need lookibg into again.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tory-politician-at-centre-of-childrens-homes-abuse-claims-8278146.html

A list of all the people arrested etc is on this link. Some may be out of prison by now.
http://chris-ukorg.org/cover-ups/north-wales-childrens-home/

Zoe x

Corncrake

3rd November 2012, 23:08

I remember meeting Jimmy Savile as a young girl and feeling profoundly uncomfortable in his presence while everyone around me was lauding him for his charity work. Admittedly I was never a fan. Historically, horrible as it is to stomach, through the centuries there have always been episodes of child abuse and it is and was world wide and I think in all cultures. I don't know if it has ever been acceptable though attitudes to childhood have differed widely over the centuries (don't want to go off topic but the Invention of Childhood by Hugh Cunningham is a fascinating read). In the 1960's, possibly because it is in living memory for a lot of us, these more recent revelations appear extreme. However, while I didn't know of all the participants illustrated in this article, it was the age of the Profumo scandel, the Janie Jones payola scandel, promiscuity, the advent of the birth control pill, and the mini skirt. There were light entertainment programmes watched by the family such as the Persuaders and Department S. In short it was a different culture. I believe this article by Andrew O'Hagan puts the whole Jimmy Savile affair in context.

http://cdn.lrb.co.uk/v34/n21/andrew-ohagan/light-entertainment

Cidersomerset

4th November 2012, 20:58

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Published on 3 Nov 2012 by TheNetApple

The BBC's Newsnight claimed last night that a former top Tory from the Thatcher government was a child sex pervert.
The programme alleged he was involved in the "systematic abuse" of young boys at North Wales care homes in the 70s and 80s.
But the man, said to have links to Downing Street, was not identified "because there is simply not enough evidence to name names".
And yesterday insiders warned that the man at the centre of the claims denies any wrongdoing and is threatening to sue.
One of the alleged victims has called for an inquiry -- and says he wants a meeting with the Prime Minister.

Steven Messham, who claims he was abused as a boy, said: "David Cameron has made a sweeping statement that abused people need to be believed.
"We haven't been believed. We've been swept under the carpet. It's time for a full investigation."
Earlier yesterday TV journalist Iain Overton revealed on Twitter: "If all goes well we've got a Newsnight out tonight about a very senior political figure who is a paedophile."
It prompted an internet frenzy of speculation about the identity of the alleged pervert.

Channel 4's Michael Crick, who used to work on Newsnight, also took to Twitter to claim he had spoken to the man involved, who had not been contacted by the BBC.
He tweeted: "Senior political figure due to be accused tonight by BBC of being paedophile denies allegations + tells me he'll issue writ agst BBC."
BBC's Newsnight has sensationally claimed that a 'leading politician from the Thatcher years' was embroiled in a widespread paedophile ring - and repeatedly raped boys from a children's home.
Alleged victim Steven Messham told reporters he was raped 'more than a dozen times' by the man, described on the programme as a 'shadowy figure of high public standing'.
But despite a string of damning allegations, Newsnight reporters said it didn't have 'enough evidence' to name the politician, sparking angry claims on Twitter that the Beeb 'bottled it'.
The revelation came just hours after MPs suggested the Corporation aired the controversial programme to act as a 'smokescreen' after it failed to broadcast allegations that Jimmy Savile was a
paedophile last year. Mr Messham, now 49, was one of hundreds of children horrifically abused in children's homes in North Wales during the 1970s and 1980s.
He lived at the now closed Bryn Estyn boys home, Wrexham during the 1970s.

Allegations of abuse at the homes began to emerge in the 1990s and the Waterhouse Inquiry Report in 2000 looked into the claims.
Mr Messham said he made his allegations to the Waterhouse Inquiry into child abuse before it reported in 2000, but claims they were ignored.
Speaking of the abuse he claims he suffered, Mr Messham said 'various things would happen' at the hands of a senior Tory politician and he was 'basically raped'.
He recalled: 'You were taken by car, where basically you were sexually abused. Various things would happen, drink would be involved, it was basically rape. But it wasn't just him, there be other people involved as well.'
He told the programme: 'Cars would pull up outside the home and you were taken.'There would be a Porsche, there would be a Jag, there were all sorts of cars, and you were basically taken.'

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There are a couple of Strong vids on link......Not on u/tube yet !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20196086

The Children's Commissioner for Wales is to write to the nation's first minister to request a new inquiry into the abuse of children at care homes in north Wales in the 1970s and 80s.

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Keith Towler says he suspects a group were protected by each other's power, enabling the abuse to continue.

It follows criticism from Steve Messham, one of hundreds who were sexually abused during that period.

He says he was abused by a leading Thatcher-era Conservative politician.

Mr Messham said the Waterhouse Inquiry report, which looked into the allegations and came out in 2000, uncovered just a fraction of the abuse centred around the Bryn Estyn care home in north Wales.

Mr Towler told the BBC News Channel "What Steve Messham is telling us are... there are things he wanted to say... that for one reason or another, he wasn't able to say... if there are issues there for the police to investigate, then that needs to be investigated."

He said he would be writing to the first minister in Wales "as the children's commissioner to say... I'm concerned about what Steve Messham is saying and I want to make sure a full inquiry takes place to make sure that the evidence that he wants to give can be given."

On the claims surrounding the politician, who has not been publicly named, Mr Towler said: "Sometimes when people move to protect individuals or institutions, they do so at the expense of victims and that is unacceptable."

Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood said Mr Messham's concerns "must be further looked into" and she would be raising questions in the Welsh Assembly to "see exactly what can be done".

Mr Towler's comments came as culture minister Maria Miller said a public inquiry could be held into the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal if the BBC's own investigations failed to "get to the bottom" of the allegations against the former TV presenter.

Mr Towler's comments came as culture minister Maria Miller said a public inquiry could be held into the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal if the BBC's own investigations failed to "get to the bottom" of the allegations against the former TV presenter.

The BBC has started probes into its culture and practices and the decision to shelve a Newsnight investigation into Savile.

Speaking to the Sunday Telegraph, Mrs Miller said: "At this point we want the criminal investigations by the police to be able to proceed as swiftly as possible. We also want the BBC to consider these matters in detail for themselves and hold their inquiries.

"If the investigations are considered not to suffice because of issues around transparency, process or other such things, then a public inquiry remains an option."

Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, former Tory cabinet minister Michael Portillo also addressed the allegations made by Mr Messham about the leading Thatcher-era Conservative politician.

"Maria Miller has called on the BBC to be absolutely transparent and to get to the root of everything that has happened in the BBC," he said.

"David Cameron will have to put himself in a similar position. He'll have to say he wished to get the root of whatever may have happened, not institutionally with the Conservative Party... but whatever it is that may have happened with a senior Conservative."

Never published

Since the Savile sex abuse allegations surfaced, politicians have been raising questions about other historic abuse cases.

In the early 1990s, allegations of the abuse in almost 40 children's homes in Wales started to surface and in March 1994 Clwyd County Council commissioned an independent inquiry into claims of widespread abuse across north Wales.

But the inquiry's report was never published and the copies were pulped to ensure the local authority was able to maintain its insurance cover.

In the wake of this, and amid growing public pressure, in 1996 the-then Secretary of State for Wales, William Hague, ordered an inquiry into allegations of hundreds of cases of child abuse in care homes in former county council areas of Clwyd and Gwynedd between 1974 and 1990.

The tribunal, led by Sir Ronald Waterhouse, heard evidence from more than 650 people who had been in care from 1974 and took almost three years to publish its report.

Counsel for the inquiry mentioned the existence of a shadowy figure of high public standing, but said that there was no substantial evidence to support the allegations.

The Waterhouse Inquiry identified 28 alleged perpetrators but they were never identified in public.

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Children's Commissioner for Wales Keith Towler said there was a need for a fresh inquiry

On Saturday, Mr Towler told BBC Radio 5 live: "It's easy for us now to feel really quite suspicious about why those constraints were put on the Waterhouse Inquiry because... for us now in 2012 that would be absolutely unacceptable."

Asked about suspicions that there had been a cover-up, Mr Towler said: "The only way that you can clearly put that to bed is to say... that we will conduct that inquiry and we will allow that inquiry to go as far as it needs to go to make sure that the evidence that witnesses and victims want to give is fully heard."

An investigation by BBC reporter Angus Stickler in 2000 revealed allegations of a much wider circle of abuse than that uncovered by the inquiry.

Abuse survivor Steve Messham: ''We have been swept under the carpet''
He uncovered allegations of widespread physical and sexual abuse of children not just by care system staff, but that children were being lent to paedophiles from all walks of life including businessmen, police, and a senior public figure in a paedophile ring stretching beyond the borders of north Wales, to Chester, London, Brighton and beyond.

Bryn Estyn deputy head, Peter Howarth, was jailed in 1994 for 10 years for sexually abusing teenage boys. He died in jail

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20196086

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2012/11/04/depraved-child-abuse-involved-senior-tory

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9652824/BBCs-Newsnight-airs-claims-of-child-abuse-against-leading-Tory-politician.html

Cidersomerset

4th November 2012, 21:20

Two good quotes from the Children commisioner, but can they find anyone to get
thru the layer of secrecy of the elites, that keeps their Massive scandels away from the public !!

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Children's Commissioner for Wales Keith Towler has backed calls for a fresh inquiry

[QUOTE]Keith Towler says he suspects a group were protected by each other's power, enabling the abuse to continue.[/QUOTE

"If we are talking about establishment figures, or if, as in the Jimmy Savile case, we're talking about media celebrities,
then we need to expose that. But what's right and proper is that the people who want to speak out about the abuse
they suffered are able to do so fully and that people properly act and listen to what they say".

– Keith Towler, Children's Commissioner for Wales

Cidersomerset

4th November 2012, 21:38

Although we are focusing on Children homes, celeb and possible satanic peodophile predators in the
UK...........The whole world has problems with child abuse, or maltreatment, or
forced child labour or being killed by war & famine !!

Behind America’s Closed Doors
by R J Adams June 21, 2012 at 11:26pm

Every TEN days in America, this number of children die, or are killed, by child abuse.

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In case you can’t count, there are FIFTY children in that image.

One child dies from abuse every FIVE HOURS within the borders of this ‘superpower’ nation. That is the worst record of child abuse in the industrialized world.[1]

You’ll not have heard Brian Williams of NBC Nightly News, or Scott Pelley of CBS, giving you those statistics. It’s too shocking for the delicate ears of Americans.

It took the BBC to break this story eight months ago. How many Americans are aware of these facts?

Michael Petit, the president of Every Child Matters:

http://sparrowchat.com/2012/06/

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It’s OK to Beat Your Wife or Children in UAE – Just Don’t Leave a Mark
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The highest judicial body in the United Arab Emirates, which has the seventh largest oil reserves in the world, borders on Saudi Arabia, and includes Dubai, says it’s okay to beat your wife and young children…just don’t leave a mark. Here’s the short article about it from the Huffington Post:

ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates — The UAE’s highest judicial body says a man can beat his wife and young children as long as the beating leaves no physical marks.

The decision by the Federal Supreme Court shows the strong influence of Islamic law in the Emirates despite its international appeal

in which foreign residents greatly outnumber the local population.

The court made the ruling earlier this month in the case of a man who left cuts and bruises on his wife and adult daughter after a beating.

It says the man was guilty of harming the women but noted that Islamic codes allow for “discipline” if no marks are left. It also says children who have reached “adulthood” – approximately puberty – cannot be struck.

The ruling was reported Monday in the Abu Dhabi-based newspaper The National.

You’re probably feeling outraged, right? Of course. We live in a “civilized” society and can’t imagine our Supreme Court saying it’s okay for men to beat their wives and children as long as no physical mark is left on them. It is outrageous. Men are allowed to treat women and children in the UAE and in so many countries in the world however they please and women have few rights. And this is a RELIGION saying it is okay to “discipline” them if you don’t leave marks. Is this really the way that God wants women and children to be treated?

We can sit here in moral outrage because this is Islam and somewhere far away, but these things happen right here in the United States and are sanctioned by Christianity (remember the verse about spare the rod, spoil the child?). I wrote a post called Kids in School: Getting an Education Plus a Beating about how school children in the United States are beaten with barbaric looking paddles in schools…and often for things as benign as being late to class or chewing gum. Corporal punishment of children by parents has been banned in 29 countries, including 22 in Europe, but is still legal in all 50 states in the United States. In our country, if a child has physical marks from being beaten and someone alerts social services, the parents may suffer some consequences, but if the parents are able to cover it up, they may get away with it.

So are we any better than the United Arab Emirates? We still legally condone children being beaten in schools in 21 states and at home in all 50 states and often these beatings leave horrible marks (even from school beatings) and cause children to be aggressive and to have psychological problems. This is legally-condoned assault on children. We have a culture where people are becoming more aware of the horrors that women suffer when they are beaten by husbands or boyfriends, but still men crack jokes about “slapping her around” to friends.

When will women and children in the United States and around the world really be treated equally? Why aren’t they now? Men overwhelmingly make and enforce laws in our country and in other countries. We need more men to stand for and with women and children and protect them. No schoolteacher, husband, boyfriend, father, or any man has a right to hit a child or woman. Women and children don’t need to be “disciplined” through hitting; they need to be loved.

http://itdawnedonme.wordpress.com/category/child-abuse/

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http://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/w5-the-throwaway-children-alleged-legacy-of-abuse-1.1022377

Former orphanage residents allege child abuse, neglect, beatings and sexual assault

Approximately 100 former residents, united in their childhood suffering, are speaking out for the
first time about the horrific mental, physical and sexual abuse they suffered while at the Nova Scotia Home for Colored Children.

http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/share.asp?url=/nsarm/images/Halifax&path=199900132

http://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/former-orphanage-residents-allege-child-abuse-neglect-beatings-and-sexual-assault-1.1022232
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“In an ideal world, children once forced into slavery, conflict and trafficking would be living enriching lives with
the support of families and schools,” said Suzanne Dvorak, chief executive of Save the Children in Australia.
“Children deprived of a playful, stimulating and happy childhood would be a thing of the past.”

http://osocio.org/message/make_child_abuse_slavery_and_neglect_a_thing_of_the_past/
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International Free the Slaves Awareness Day
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Did you know that there are 27 million slaves worldwide today? Shocking, isn’t it? March 27 is International Free the Slaves Awareness Day. Free the Slaves is a not for profit organization that “… liberates slaves around the world, helps them rebuild their lives and researches real world solutions to eradicate slavery forever.” They have a 25-year plan to eradicate slavery. Here are facts they list about slavery:

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Think slavery doesn’t exist in the U.S.? Think again. Slaves are harbored in 90 U.S. cities. An estimated 50% of the over 14,500 – 17,500 slaves trafficked into the U.S. each year are sex slaves; the other 50% are in the agriculture, domestic service, manufacturing, and other industries.

The largest numbers of slaves – as many as 18 million - are in Pakistan, Nepal, and India. The Free the Slaves website has an interactive map you can click on to find out about slavery in any part of the world.

President Obama calls human slavery a “top priority.” In a March 24, 2009 White House press release, “President Barack Obama announced his intent to nominate Luis C. de Baca as Ambassador-at-Large to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons at the State Department.” If you want to help, Free the Slaves has a whole

http://itdawnedonme.wordpress.com/category/child-abuse/

The United Nations has a long way to go yet !!

Cidersomerset

4th November 2012, 22:33

From David Ickes site....

Signs of mainstream and alternative media coming together in fight against child abuse with real journalists like Sonia Poulton
Sunday, 04 November 2012 15:14

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'Even more encouraging this week, has been the mainstream media’s increased interest into the research and past
statements of independent activists like David Icke, himself a former BBC colleague of the prolific criminal child
abuser Sir Jimmy Savile. Express writer Sonia Poulton explains in her excellent piece on Oct 28th ... What Poulton
has rightly pointed out here, is that David Icke was absolutely right about Jimmy Savile all those years ago –
and like so many other eyewitness testimonies and police statements made by victims, it was ignored by authorities
and establishment media.'

Read more ...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/74957-signs-of-mainstream-and-alternative-media-coming-together-in-fight-against-child-abuse-with-real-journalists-like-sonia-poulton
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Jimmy Savile ... Doorway to the Cesspit

Saturday, 03 November 2012 11:50

What David Icke wrote on October 13th in a major exposure of establishment paedophilia.

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'The UK Guardian went so far as describing one of those named as 'A man who bears the same surname as a prominent Conservative supporter'. The report added that two witnesses had told the tribunal of a rich and powerful man who belonged to the alleged ring.

The now defunct Scallywag magazine named Lord McAlpine, a treasurer of the Conservative Party, and also Derek Laud, a leading 'mover and shaker' in Conservative administrations. Both were close friends of long-time Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, a close friend of Jimmy Savile. McAlpine and Laud denied the allegations.

I am not saying that Margaret Thatcher knew about Savile's background, only that his friendship with her reveals his connections into the Conservative Party at the highest levels.'

Read the whole article here

P.S: And before the Labour Party takes the high ground, that party is also awash with paedophiles, some of whom have operated at the highest levels, and the same with the Republicans and Democrats in the United States.

Then there are the 'Liberals' ...

thetruthnews.info

BIG CYRIL IN THIS WONDERFUL LAND

Sir Cyril Smith the English Liberal politician was MP for Rochdale in England and died on 3 September 2010 and was just one high political flyer who informed on Jimmy Savile's high level pedophile group to the authorities, to his credit when Big Cyril turned himself in to the Lancashire police, they had known of rumours about homosexuals tempting big Cyril, and Cyril then said he had been very silly and there was now an attempt to blackmail him and he needed help. We will never know the reasons why Big Cyril defended asbestos producer Turner & Newell when it killed so many people, but it has been said the mysterious factory owners had blackmailed him; the factory at one time employed 2,500 people and had a lot of local influence.

Cyril first went to MP Jack Mcann to use his masonic contacts to get the charges dropped or reduced, Jack we are informed said to Cyril go to the chief Constable and make a clean breast of everything which to his credit he did.

The police referred Sir Cyril to the London Psychiatrist Joyce Mc'Dougal who had helped re-align the sexualities of gays and she helped him come to terms with his sexual compulsions. The Complaints concerning the Cambridge Boys hostel in Castlemere Street, Rochdale, Barnardos homes and a care home in Leeds brought forth information which led to reports on several men staying on various files, in those days police and intel files were all manual card indexed under surnames, a separate draw held the cards marked "P" for known perverts was quite extensive and held some surprising names, this file still exists and holds many well-known figures. Rumour had it that Thomas Hamilton the Dunblane child killer's name was also on it but I can’t confirm this, what is intriguing however is that all the names are linked by a male swimming coach, who also taught football to young lads., and famous DJ Jimmy Savile.

Cyril Smith was an engaging and very popular public personality as an MP and said Jimmy Savile was the ringleader in a little group who wanted to tempt Cyril with the kids, the early reports say with boys not girls as reported in the press with the recent Jimmy Savile allegations.

The psychiatrist Joyce McDougall said to a police colleague; "people do not realise that sexualities are rooted in childhood, and Cyril came from a loveless family and the only love he got was from older male abusers “he was taught to be gay as many children are, but the whisper when Cyril gave himself up was that anyway Cyril was now impotent,? and in his defense its true to say that this hard working MP for the 20 years he was in power always spoke for the under privileged, his popularity was his undoing, this speaking out led to the popular catchphrase

" Nice one Cyril " In 1979, Rochdale Alternative Press reportedly obtained evidence that, during the 1960's, Cyril Smith "was using his position to get teenage boys to undress in front of him in order that he could get them to bend over his knee while he spanked their bare bottoms or let him hold their testicles in a bizarre 'medical inspection’. “The Lib/Dems leader David Steele dismissed this saying all he did was smack little naked boys bottoms, that’s all, but the Lib/Dems have been rocked with a series of sick sex scandals, the Jeremy Thorpe case threatened to expose the whole crowd, from Edward Heath, Tom Driberg, Frankie Howerd Savile and his DJ mates and several actors and a host of Liberal high flyers, not one name of whom were expelled from the party but Jenny Tonge who only spoke out about Palestinian injustices, was expelled from the party, this shows you who funds and runs it. This wonderful land held some dark and dirty secrets.

In 1990 there was a huge child abuse case in Rochdale. Around twenty children were removed from their homes by social services who alleged the existence of Satanic Ritual Abuse. Anna Arrowsmith was the name used by a Liberal Democrat party candidate for Gravesham in Kent in the UK, she has made hundreds of hardcore porn films. She is the managing director of Easy on the Eye Productions. Be My Toyboy' was 'shot in her front room'. Other productions include "Eat Me - Keep Me", "Where's the Rent, Boys"," Bum Me off Now ", " Pants Down!" and "The Scottish Gigolo”. And "Thier pants are down"

By 2003, Mark Oaten had become the UK Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman and he was tipped as a future party leader, and in 2004, the married Oaten began seeing rent boys. In 2006, Oaten attempted to become the leader of the Liberal Democrat Party. The News of the World newspaper told Oaten they knew about his rent boys and three-in-a-bed romps and a ‘bizarre sex act too revolting to describe’. (Coprophilia is "an abnormal, often obsessive interest in excrement, especially the use of feces for sexual excitement.")

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Jeremy Thorpe became leader of the UK Liberal party in 1967 but in 1961 Thorpe had met Norman Scott who claimed that Thorpe had sex with him, perverted sex was illegal at that time. Allegedly, in 1975, an 'assassin' was hired to kill Scott, but the would be assassin killed Scott’s dog and was found guilty of firearms offences, and Thorpe was put on trial for conspiracy to murder but was found not guilty. Video: Peter Cook's satiric interpretation of a judge during the Jeremy Thorpe trial (1979)

http://thetruthnews.info/big_cyril_in_wonderland.html

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 14:04

Savile guided Prince Charles in choice of top aide

Monday, 05 November 2012 11:48

By David Icke

Any credible police investigation into the paedophilia of Jimmy Savile and his supplying of children to the rich and famous
MUST knock on the door of Buckingham Palace given the extraordinary closeness of the professional child sex pimp and the
highest levels of the royal family. If it doesn't - it's a cover up.

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Prince Charles with Savile in 1999 when the prince had dinner at the presenter’s home (PA)

'Jimmy Savile was so close to Prince Charles that he advised him on the appointment of one of his most senior aides,
The Sunday Times has learnt.In an indication of the power and privilege extended to Savile by the royal family, Charles
asked the DJ and television presenter for advice before selecting Sir Christopher Airy to be his private secretary in 1990.'

Read more ...The Sunday Times..

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/74991-savile-guided-prince-charles-in-choice-of-top-aide

http://www.hangthebankers.com/child-molester-savile-guided-prince-charles-in-choice-of-top-aide//

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/29/jimmy-savile-behaviour-prince-charles

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 15:23

BBC News website update ....vid on link...

5 November 2012 Last updated at 15:10 Share this pageEmail Print Share this page

Government probes politician claim Carwyn Jones urged abuse victims who felt their cases were not investigated properly to contact the police
The government is looking into the way allegations of sexual abuse at north Wales children's homes in the 1970s and '80s were dealt with.
It is also considering claims by a victim that he was abused by a leading Thatcher-era Conservative politician.
A Downing Street spokesman said the allegations needed to be investigated properly and thoroughly.

Welsh First Minister Carwyn Jones will meet Wales' children's commissioner on Tuesday to discuss the case.
It is understood the government inquiry involves a number of departments, including the Wales Office and the Home Office.

Transparency call
The government spokesman declined to say whether the prime minister backed the children's commissioner's call for a new full investigation.

A three-year inquiry into the abuse around the Bryn Estyn children's home in north Wales was published in 2000 by Sir Ronald Waterhouse.
But Steve Messham, one of hundreds who claim they were sexually abused during that period, says it uncovered just a fraction of the assaults.
He said he was abused by the Conservative politician.

The commissioner, Keith Towler, said Mr Messham's claims had to be taken seriously and the police and other authorities should be given the opportunity to investigate.
However, the first minister said there needed to be more than one complainant to merit another abuse inquiry.
He said anyone with allegations should report them to the police or the children's commissioner.

Report pulped

The BBC's chief political correspondent Norman Smith says the prime minister has asked officials to look at the initial investigations by the police to examine whether officers responded with sufficient rigour to the claims made.
They will also consider whether Sir Ronald's inquiry established the truth.
Mr Cameron has suggested that if flaws are found, he may order an independent review of both processes, our correspondent added.
North Wales Police said it was also seeking to establish whether there were any allegations that required new or further investigation.
The abuse centred around the Bryn Estyn children's home in north Wales
In the early 1990s, allegations of the abuse in almost 40 children's homes in Wales started to surface and in March 1994 Clwyd County Council commissioned an independent inquiry into claims of widespread abuse across north Wales.

But the inquiry's report was never published and the copies were pulped to ensure the local authority was able to maintain its insurance cover.
In the wake of this, and amid growing public pressure, in 1996 the-then Secretary of State for Wales, William Hague, ordered an inquiry into allegations of hundreds of cases of child abuse in children's homes in former county council areas of Clwyd and Gwynedd between 1974 and 1990.
The tribunal, led by Sir Ronald Waterhouse, heard evidence from more than 650 people who had been in care from 1974 and took almost three years to publish its report.
Counsel for the inquiry mentioned the existence of a "shadowy figure of high public standing", but said that there was no substantial evidence to support the allegations.
The Waterhouse Inquiry identified 28 alleged perpetrators but they were never identified in public.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20204687

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 15:29

THiS is Wierd !!!!!!!!!!!! Who the hell sanctioned this ? ( no pun intended) or does it prove Saville could do as he wished !

Savile’s Travels: How Sir Jimmy Was Fingered as Peter Sutcliffe’s Accomplice

Patrick Henningsen
21st Century Wire
http://21stcenturywire.com/2012/11/05/saviles-travels-how-sir-jimmy-was-fingered-as-peter-sutcliffes-accomplice/

It’s not that big of a stretch, and you’d have to be in avoidance mode not to look into it.
There seemed to be an unnatural synergy between them, a correlation that appears to have escaped the authorities and the media, until now.
It’s known that Broadmoor’s esteemed patron, Sir Jimmy Savile, had befriended one Peter Sutcliffe, known as “The Yorkshire Ripper”,
who was moved to the secure mental hospital in London following his mass murdering spree.

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Jim’ll Fix it: Serial killer Peter Sutcliffe meeting with Frank Bruno, arranged by… Sir Jimmy Savile.

Sir Jim even fixed a meet-and-greet between the Ripper and boxing champ Frank Bruno at Broadmoor in 1991, when Big Frank came to open a boxing gym inside.
Pals Jim and Pete shared a passion for predatory, sadistic and violent sex practices. Nurses at Broadmoor can testify to hearing Sir Jim booming with laughter at the Ripper’s jokes coming from inside Sutcliffe’s cell.
But how did we miss this one: multiple murder crime scenes put Sutcliffe uncomfortably close to Savile at multiple locations in Leeds at the time of the murders – a realization which places Sir Jimmy squarely in the frame with the Yorkshire Ripper.

According to the Sun’s Professor David Wilson, Britain’s top expert on serial killers, police must now investigate whether the pair’s unusual bond developed before Sutcliffe was caught. The Sun article explains:“Another crime expert even thinks BBC star Savile could have turned killer himself in his craving for more and more perverted thrills.
And the family of Sutcliffe’s first victim are demanding that cops question the killer, now 66, to find out if Savile was involved in any of the 13 Ripper murders or helped cover them up.”
The newspapers pushing the envelope on the Savile-Sutcliffe connection this past weekend were the Sunday Sport, the Sun and others – with broadsheets staying mostly clear of the that angle.
There is also the assertion by the Sunday Sport that Jimmy Savile may be connected with the murder of Crimewatch’s Jill Dando, who some believe was threatening to expose Savile’s paedophile activities nationally at the time. If there is a link here, then the media should also revisit the show trial of Barry George, the mentally ill patsy who was originally charged with Dando’s killing, but was eventually acquitted for the murder in 2008.
Savile also boasted of his use of violence and links to IRA gangsters when filmed during Louis Theroux’s infamous BBC documentary.

More interestingly, however, is that the Sunday Sport and Sun’s revelations appear almost verbatim from an Oct 11th interview on the UK Column Live show – where award-winning filmmaker Bill Maloney of Pie and Mash Films had previously laid out out a damning case detailing the clear connection between Jimmy Savile and Peter Sutcliffe.
Maloney explains, “After the release of our documentary Sun Sea & Satan in 2008, a victim from Haut de la Garenne came forward with the names of Jimmy Savile and Wilfred Brambles (of Steptoe & Son). Later, in September 2012, a month before I did the UK Column Live interview with Brian Gerrish, I realized that there is horrendous information that the National press are not disclosing.”

More on link...
http://21stcenturywire.com/2012/11/05/saviles-travels-how-sir-jimmy-was-fingered-as-peter-sutcliffes-accomplice/

Rocky_Shorz

5th November 2012, 19:11

UK's Cameron orders investigation of child abuse claims

(Reuters) - British Prime Minister David Cameron ordered an investigation on Monday into the way claims of child abuse in Wales were examined after a victim said an unidentified Conservative Party figure had abused children in social care in the 1970s.

Speaking during a trade mission to the United Arab Emirates, Cameron said the allegations, aired by the BBC's flagship current affairs program Newsnight, were so grave that they needed further investigation.

The unmasking of late BBC star presenter Jimmy Savile as one of Britain's most prolific sex offenders has prompted wider concern that some powerful pedophiles from the 1970s and 1980s may have used their influence to avoid punishment.

Steven Messham, one of hundreds of victims of sexual abuse at children's care homes in Wales over two decades, told the program that he had been sexually abused by a prominent Conservative political figure and others in the late 1970s.

"Child abuse is an absolutely hateful and abhorrent crime and these allegations are truly dreadful and they mustn't be left hanging in the air, so I'm taking action today," Cameron said... story continues... (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/05/us-britain-abuse-idUSBRE8A40ZF20121105)

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 19:21

Thanks Rocky, I am about to put something up about that.............

5 November 2012 Last updated at 18:43

Vid of Cameron on link..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20204687

The prime minister is appointing a "senior independent figure" to look into the way allegations of sexual abuse at north Wales children's homes in the 1970s and '80s were dealt with.

Victim Steve Messham has said that the Waterhouse inquiry of 2000 only covered a fraction of the alleged assaults.

Another of the homes' residents says it did not hear all of the abuse claims

Another of the homes' residents says it did not hear all of the abuse claims.

Earlier, Downing Street said it would investigate Mr Messham's claims of abuse by a 1980s Tory politician.

Mr Messham is to meet the Welsh secretary on Tuesday.

Speaking in Abu Dhabi, the prime minister added: "Child abuse is an absolutely hateful and abhorrent crime and these allegations are truly dreadful and they mustn't be left hanging in the air, so I'm taking action today.

"I'm going to be asking a senior independent figure to lead an urgent investigation into whether the original inquiry was properly constituted and properly did its job and to report urgently to the government."

Mr Cameron also urged anyone who knows anything about the allegations of abuse to contact police.

Abuse allegations

Allegations of abuse centred around the Bryn Estyn care home in north Wales began to emerge in the 1990s, but a report commissioned by the county council was never published.

The government then ordered an inquiry into the abuse, which heard from 650 people over three years, and was published in 2000 by Sir Ronald Waterhouse.

Read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20204687

Rocky_Shorz

5th November 2012, 20:17

I'm still searching for what happened to april, I just noticed my post was at 11:11, confirmation to stay involved...

The spirit is a girl who wants my daughter to find her body, which is in Wales ( I've shown her the photo of the recent April Jones who was murdered and they haven't found her body) she doesn't believe it is her.

My daughter can describe exactly the field where she is, there's a ditch and a tree, she's sure it's in Wales. She said it felt like it had only been about 5 mths since the girls death.

What is she supposed to do?
The spirit says her body needs finding before she can go home and she has asked for help.

This is beyond me, is there anyone else that can help?

Zoe x

A field with a tree and a ditch is not much to go on. All I can suggest is a pendulum over a map, or a tour of Wales with Google earth.

How old is the girl? - maybe check the media for stories of missing children in that timeframe.

I was just looking into this a short time ago... she hasn't crossed over yet or my spirit would have brought me to her, which means there is a good chance she is still alive. with all the attention on pedoviles in UK it has me worried she is under one of their control. If the suspect knows who, I should be able to see it through his eyes... but for some reason he is shielded...

suspect (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4626070/April-Jones-suspect-on-suicide-watch.html)

if he kills himself I will be able to get answers, give him a rope... if 2 children were killed in the same area, this ring needs to be stopped... I can help find all of them...

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/121002095347-april-jones-story-top.jpg

Man arrested on suspicion of murder in April Jones case
By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
updated 9:22 AM EDT, Fri October 5, 2012

she disappeared a month ago at the beginning of October...

link (http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/05/world/europe/wales-missing-girl/index.html)

if her dreams are like mine, she can do a zoom out when she next appears in her dreams...

glance around for landmarks

Here's the bit in the article that sent my intuition flying..."Superintendent Ian John told reporters that the "dynamics of the search have changed" and that only specialist teams would now be involved." Maybe there's some highly classified information regarding some highly classified people. Maybe a cap needs to be put on the number of people that know and that a perception salve can be quickly disseminated so that the full truth is not revealed to the public at large.

It's possible that overconfidence from some PTW that is used to getting away with such things made them sloppy and the full truth is about to be revealed anyway.

If the life purpose of this soul is to expose this, it would not want to leave the Earth plane until its task was complete--the truth must be known first. It may be that the telecommunication aspect for interdimensional cooperation is active between the souls who are now working in this project and the strategy is being conveyed as a reminder and rehabilitation of these abilities.

And earlier this evening, that same theme came up for this particular wave, or group of souls: "Remember/discover talents and gifts and rehabilitate the efficacy of their expression/process." Maybe this rings a bell?

Just pondering...
Michelle Marie

"a white farmhouse which is where the accused lived..."

I normally can find the spirit in these cases, so either she is still alive, or someone is using something that is blocking me from finding her...

in Kerry's message they talked of capturing souls, so keep an ear open to any of these people dragged into the spotlight that might have had access to these technologies or devil worship.

sadly, many of the 650 that were abused as children will turn around and do it to others, just a sickness passed on...

so they aren't above suspicion...

Lisab

5th November 2012, 21:07

Look at Jimmy Savile's name.

Jimmy Savile.....Vile, Evil, Slime. Gasp! It's not his real name either. He changed it to that name.

Or...I Am evil. I Am Vile

Rocky_Shorz

5th November 2012, 21:14

"evil as" and vile as

as in pedovile

James Wilson Vincent "Jimmy" Savile

BBC is worried after what they watched happen at Penn State...

the public wants everyone that knows and covered it up brought forward...

Flash

5th November 2012, 21:32

why did i noticed a few times in my life that people that hard precisely this non aligned right eye were weird, meaning not balanced i the heard (happened at least 3 times where I noted this), Saville being one of them.

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 21:33

I just thought for those of you who may know these things.....

Saville in many of his interviews hid his dark secret in plain site !

Is there anything on his headstone that signifies anything ??

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A HEADSTONE for late telly legend Sir Jimmy Savile was unveiled today — with a spelling mistake.

A small group of family and friends gathered to mark the placing of the monument, carved with the epitaph: "It was good while it lasted."

In keeping with Savile's flamboyant style, the huge £4,000 stone, standing in Woodlands Cemetery, Scarborough, is made out of polished black granite with gold lettering.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4548555/Jimmy-Saviles-headstone-finally-unveiled-with-a-spelling-mistake.html#ixzz2BO53kU98

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1334160.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/%C2%A3%C2%A3%C2%A3+The+headstone+at+the+grave+of+Sir+Jimmy+Saville+at+Woodlands+Cemetary+in+Scarboro ugh+

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01587/SNN2133B_620_1587591a.jpg

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-jimmy-savile-headstone-unveiled-1334269

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4548555/Jimmy-Saviles-headstone-finally-unveiled-with-a-spelling-mistake.html

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01587/jimmy-saville4_1587589a.jpg

The Headstone was removed by the family and destroyed soon after the allagations
surfaced.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/10/article-2215324-156EE668000005DC-997_634x363.jpg

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-jimmy-savile-family-consider-1372123

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Councillor calls for Jimmy Savile's body to be exhumed and cremated
A councillor today called for the body of Jimmy Savile to be exhumed
and cremated after the family of a youngster buried nearby complained.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9656441/Councillor-calls-for-Jimmy-Saviles-body-to-be-exhumed-and-cremated.html

Rocky_Shorz

5th November 2012, 21:41

He was part of Little Sisters of the P...

what is after the P?

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 22:28

http://letsgist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sir-jimmy-savile-gravestone.jpg

Little sisters of the Poor,,,,An international Roman Catholic organisation
for care to the elderly....

http://bp2.blogger.com/_64itAtqJIlY/R2hKnFKI2TI/AAAAAAAACVU/5V_EvfNxOR8/s400/The+Little+Sisters+of+the+Poor+Meet+the+Big+Doofus+of+the+Rich++2.jpg
http://whateveritisimagainstit.blogspot.co.uk/2007/12/little-sisters-of-poor-meet-big-doofus.html

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wr40QTymJRc/SnS8_7ghZ2I/AAAAAAAAAck/JfGk3Gq_u10/s320/little+sisters+pope+john+paul.jpg

http://womenreligiousorders.blogspot.co.uk/2009/08/little-sisters-of-poor.html

Jimmy Saville was Roman Catholic which explains his award from the Pope !

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 23:02

This is another side to this scandel Saville left behind, apart from the many
victims of abuse comming forward .There are those who feel betrayed by
what his 'Public Image Portrayed'...........

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5 November 2012 Last updated at 18:34

Jimmy Savile: Nephew died from 'heartbreak', say family Vivian Savile spent a lot of time with his uncle Jimmy in the 1970s Continue reading the main story

A nephew of Jimmy Savile may have died of heartbreak following abuse allegations against the former DJ and TV presenter, according to his family.

Vivian Savile, 69, a charity volunteer from Pontypridd and the only son of Jimmy's older brother Vincent, died last month.

His family said they believed he "hero-worshipped his uncle" and went into decline as the scandal erupted.

"Heartbreak may have been the cause of his condition," they said.

Vivian Savile died on 14 October in the Royal Glamorgan Hospital, Llantrisant, after he was admitted nine days earlier.

His funeral on 29 October was attended by close family friends and staff from the local Red Cross shop where he worked as a volunteer.

Continue reading the main story
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Start Quote
Although he had no contact with his father's family for 25 years, it is generally felt that when the current Savile scandal concerning Jimmy became almost daily news, the allegations affected his own self esteem”
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Vivian Savile family statement

Police believe Jimmy Savile, who died a year ago aged 84, could have abused as many as 300 people over a 40-year period.

They have described him as a "predatory sex offender" and are following 400 lines of inquiry.

'Quiet and withdrawn'

In a statement, Vivian Savile's family said he became depressed and unable to eat properly when the media storm surrounding his uncle erupted.

As a result, they said the keen cyclist became weak and unable to walk any distance which suggested "something was very wrong with him".

The family explained that Vivian Savile had spent time with his uncle in the 1970s, but lost touch with him when his parents divorced.

His father moved to Leeds with his family, but Vivian Savile remained with his mother in Porth, Rhondda Cynon Taf.

When his mother died, he moved to Pontypridd where he made a lot of friends, the family said.

"Although he had no contact with his father's family for 25 years, it is generally felt that when the current Savile scandal concerning Jimmy became almost daily news, the allegations affected his own self esteem.

"He hero-worshipped his uncle and was proud to be the last male member of the family with the surname Savile.

"At the height of the media blitz, he became quiet and withdrawn, leading to a lack of interest in almost anything including food."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20210837

eni-al

5th November 2012, 23:05

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 23:18

A couple of interviews on links in previous posts...now on u/tube..

NoRaKqbjue0

Published on 3 Nov 2012 by AwesomeRob19791

A victim of the sexual abuse at north Wales children's homes in the 1970s has called on the prime minister to launch a fresh investigation into the scandal, claiming that he was sexually assaulted at the time by a former senior Conservative political figure.

Steven Messham, who was one of hundreds of children who were abused over two decades, told BBC Newsnight that he and others had been "swept under the carpet" despite a three-year inquiry in the late 1990s, and said he now wanted to meet David Cameron.

The former political figure, who was not named but was reportedly a senior official during the Thatcher era, has "vehemently denied" the allegations, according to Channel 4 News.

AS-lzlYNjdo

Published on 5 Nov 2012 by tvalexcrowson

Prime Minister David Cameron orders two more inquiries into alleged north Wales sex abuse ring .
PM to establish urgent probe into conduct of Waterhouse inquiry as senior Tories are accused of
being part of paedophile ring

Kiforall

5th November 2012, 23:25

Lets just hope we can trust Cameron, I don't believe we can. Even if he isn't involvedin the paedovile ring he has got to be under the thumb, has to be or he wouldn't be where he is now.

The public must be on it's toes now to ensure the answers are given to ALL the questions including royalty.

My concern is that the children out there that could be witnesses will be removed before they can speak.

Without witnesses there will be no proof to convict them, where will the proof come from?

What we need are some undercover orphans with tracking devices, chastity belts and hidden camera's.

My other idea was to have a TV gameshow, phone in vote style and let the public decide if there is enough evidence to convict them.

I think the reality of this is getting me down, some self healing is on the cards.

Zoe x

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 23:25

So Cameron is taking action on the allegations and events that occurred over a decade ago, that's fine, but what about everything going on today, and other places?
He and anyone else in the government is powerless when it comes to quite a huge number of other perpetrators.

Steven Messham has taken to twitter, he says he will reveal the name of a former MP, so best keep an eye to see what happens there. Apparently he has been receiving death threats too, it'd be interesting to know who from, in a way, provided its true, compounds the situation.
Just one thing to know about him, he was convicted for taking funds from a victim support fund for abuse victims, was in the news some years ago.

Steven Messham has just been on tonights news night and he knows this will not get very far,if the establishment is able to hide evidence. He said he does
not want a Judge incharge of an enquiry, but an expert in the field of child abuse..Look at the Holy Greig case to see the establishment are
well aware of all this. Foreign secrety William Haig was welsh secretary at the time of the original enquiry.He was very loyal to Mrs Thatcher
and there were worries about his conflict of interrest,if her aid was named . This is speculation!

Kiforall

5th November 2012, 23:37

Cidersomerset

5th November 2012, 23:40

eni-al

6th November 2012, 00:04

What we need are our soldiers, SAS etc to get their ass's back home and fight for the people.

If enough SAS soldiers WAKE UP they'd find the whole lot of them and bring them down and rescue the children.
(I'm not saying that I don't have faith in Rocky, but even he could do with a hand lol)

What will our men think when they come home to this, they only need to get on the UKcolumn site and realize that the government is taking the **** out of them and they'll snap.

Zoe x

I hear what you are saying, and this all needs cleaning up.. But how do we get to the establishment ?
You know the David Icke material if its true ? Who could we
trust to find out who is behind the 'Curtain' ....If the curtain exists ?

Is all this abuse done simply by depraved human beings ?

Or is there something darker ? How do we discuss that logically in public
without it becoming a witchhunt like the middle ages ? or a laughing stock?

With the way things are currently run, no one can really be trusted, judges, police, politicians etc, people with careers which could easily be ruined by a few words.
The only way would be for the public to begin their own inquiry, a independent investigation free from ties to anyone in the elite, which is so far a lot who has been involved.
But citizens arrests are seen as a joke, police won't work for the public.

Although having said that, maybe something could be done to get a truly independent investigation. Its just getting everyone else to get on-board with it. Not the best time of year when there is the US elections taking up a lot of the news focus, plus Christmas coming up which undoubtedly has some effect on the news people want to hear.

Going to do some reading up and see whose these names might be.

Gardener

6th November 2012, 02:29

Kiforall:
Lets just hope we can trust Cameron, I don't believe we can. Even if he isn't involvedin the paedovile ring he has got to be under the thumb, has to be or he wouldn't be where he is now.

The fox is guarding the chicken run.................

Simonm

6th November 2012, 03:24

Jimmy Saville as a porter (volunteer) at Leeds General Hospital. (So proud was the hospital of Saville's presence in it's mist that they named the hospital Jimmy's).

Actually, thats quite wrong. Leeds General Infirmary (LGI) has no connection to "Jimmy's" That nick name belong to St James Hospital, also in Leeds (Largest teaching hospital in Europe). No connection at all with LGI!

Edit to add:
History of St James Hospital.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James's_University_Hospital

History of LGI (hospital Jimmy sa-vile used)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_General_Infirmary

learninglight

6th November 2012, 09:14

FYI

Tom Watson MP

Letter to David Cameron regarding Child Sex Abuse Investigation →
10 days that shook my world
November 3rd, 2012 |

It’s ten days since I raised a question about intelligence suggesting a paedophile ring that touched the very heart of a previous government. I’d done so because a very credible retired child protection professional had lived with a gnawing suspicion of a cover up for many years.

These people are the rarest of human beings. They’re the people who labour in anonymity, day in day out, trying to make the world a better place. They have always been the foundations of our public services. Yet this retired public servant had, through a quirk of fate, stumbled on something that appeared so huge, that almost everyone he’d ever raised his concerns with had baulked at the challenge.

Since then though, many more ordinary people have contacted me about suspicions they have had of a wider wrongdoing – in some cases so heinous it made me cry

Read more here : http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2012/11/10-days-that-shook-my-world

Also on another site

Lord Graville Jenner (Labour Peer)
Jenner was accused of raping a 15 year old boy at the holiday in in Glasgow, the night before the boy was due to give evidence, the judge was taken out to dinner by the defense team for Jenner, and it was arranged that the boy was not allowed to Jenner in court as his rapist, or he would be in contempt of court. Jenner won his case and he walked in to the house of commons to a standing ovation by MP's. I stand by what i have said for many years, the house of commons and Lords are filled with perverts and rapists, and the police and the courts will defend them all the way, as they are all in the same private club.

Lord Kaufman (Labour Peer)
He is well known to police in London for sexually abusing young boys, he likes them under 12 when he can get them.

Lord Britton (Leon, former home sec when Maggie was in power)
He is very well known for raping young boys. The police raided his house when a young boy staggered in to the street half naked, and when police asked what happened he told them about Britton and his friends and took them to the house. When they called in to report what happened , they were ordered to take everyone in, and when they got there there were 2 officers from the security service waiting. The boys were paid off, and a short time later, Leon Britton was summoned to meet his fellow MP, William Hague on the beach in Brighton at 5.45 in the morning, where he was told that he was to be made commissioner for the UK, and he would not be allowed to be in politics again in the UK. That was how he became commissioner and he stayed there for many years, until the corruption inquiry went ahead, which saw a large number of people from different countries being made to resign.

more here : http://www.seancopland.com/articles/sex_offenders_register_free_online_search.html

Sharon

Nick Matkin

6th November 2012, 09:57

bram

6th November 2012, 10:21

As this dreadful business continues to unfold, wider questions occur to me that I have not seen answered elsewhere:

1) Is paedophilia more prevalent in the UK than in other developed nations?

2) Is it no more prevalent here than anywhere else, but we just report on it more?

3) Or, once discovered, do we take it much more seriously than other other countries do and expose it in our media?

I doubt it is 1), which suggests hundreds of thousands of children have been and continue to be abused all over the world and their abusers will never be identified.

Nick

Q1. Yes. Becuse our ruling classes are educated through the public school system, where they are introduced to anal rape at an early age.
Q2. Rather the opposite. We cover it up more than anybody else because we are a nation of hypocrites and we like to think that the rest of the world looks up to us, which is a joke.
Q3. The media loves it because it is a twisted form of pornography. Victorian values still have a lot to answer for in the UK.

witchy1

6th November 2012, 11:33

Labour MP Tom Watson has revealed he has also been threatened for speaking out. But he defiantly wrote on his blog: “I am not going to let this drop despite warnings from people who should know that my personal safety is imperilled if I dig any deeper.'
Read more: Paedophile Whistleblower MP Tom Watson Threatened (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/280578/Labour-MP-spooked-by-warnings/)

learninglight

6th November 2012, 11:46

Joining the dots

Andrea Davison, Jimmy Savile, SERCO and How it all Fits In With Child Abuse, Covert Arms Shipments and Governement Fraud

Link : http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/andrea-davison-jimmy-savile-serco-and.html

Sharon

bram

6th November 2012, 12:08

so who is the tory cabinet minister anyway?

Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 13:13

6 November 2012 Last updated at 12:54

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63915000/jpg/_63915055_8twp8jto.jpg

Crime Agency head to examine north Wales abuse claims The abuse claims centred around the Bryn Estyn children's home in north Wales

The head of the National Crime Agency will oversee an investigation into historic abuse claims in north Wales care homes, the home secretary says.

Keith Bristow will look at both old claims and fresh allegations relating to the Bryn Estyn care home, and involving almost 40 other homes.

He will report by April 2013, Home Secretary Theresa May told MPs.

The Serious and Organised Crime Agency and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre will be involved.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20221959

Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 13:20

From David Ickes site this morning, part of his question is answered in the above
post !!

David Cameron [don't tell me you didn't know all along] promises independent [yeah, right]
investigation into senior Tory's 'link to child sex abuse at care home'
Tuesday, 06 November 2012 10:37

'David Cameron today ordered an independent investigation - likely to be led by a judge - into whether an inquiry
ignored claims a senior Tory was involved in child abuse in North Wales. The Prime Minister said he would ask an
independent figure to review the Waterhouse Inquiry into into abuse at the Bryn Estyn children’s home in the
1970s and 1980s. It follows allegations that a senior unnamed Conservative was among those involved in abusing
children but were not properly investigated at the time.'

read more
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75024-david-cameron-dont-tell-me-you-didnt-know-all-along-promises-independent-yeah-right-investigation-into-senior-torys-link-to-child-sex-abuse-at-care-home

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228179/North-Wales-child-abuse-claims-senior-Tory-investigated-government.html#ixzz2BNqgfaUH

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I repeat, so what were YOU doing, William Hague?

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November20122/hague-savile.jpg

This is William Hague, the current British Foreign Secretary and First Secretary of State, with monumental
paedophile and supplier of children to the rich and famous, Jimmy Savile.
Hague is a supporter of the mass murder of children and other innocent civilians by NATO bombing in Libya
and by NATO-US-British armed-and-trained 'rebels' in Syria. He'd also bomb kids in Iran if he thought he could get away with it.
Hague was the Secretary of State for Wales when he set up the pathetic excuse for an 'inquiry' into the abuse at the Welsh children's
homes and he was leader of the Conservative Party when the 'inquiry' reported its 'findings' (cover-up).
When is he going to be questioned about what he knew with regard to the prominent people, including members of his own party,
named at the inquiry but not allowed to be made public because of a ban imposed by the very 'inquiry' that he set up?

'I wasn't told'? Bollocks.

The then leader of the Conservative Party did not know that senior members of the Conservative Party were being named by victims -
and what about other leading Conservatives at the time like Peter Lilley and Michael Portillo? What did they know?

Come on, Mr Hague - come clean, tell the truth or be in the frame for a cover-up.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November20122/530741_435454213170963_1510609799_n.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75024-david-cameron-dont-tell-me-you-didnt-know-all-along-promises-independent-yeah-right-investigation-into-senior-torys-link-to-child-sex-abuse-at-care-home

Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 13:29

Derek Laud: Good Friend Of The Camerons
Tuesday, 06 November 2012 10:34

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75023-derek-laud-good-friend-of-the-camerons-

http://www.ccs-rochford.co.uk/spivey/?p=6744

Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 14:49

Wales child abuse claims: Theresa May to make statement on new inquiry

Home secretary to address Commons on new investigation into sex abuse allegations linked to senior Tory politician

Alan Travis, Patrick Wintour and Steven Morris

guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 6 November 2012 09.53 GMT

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/11/6/1352195254682/Bryn-Estyn-One-Of-The-Car-010.jpg

The former Bryn Estyn children's home in Wrexham, Wales, which closed following claims of child abuse in the 1970s and 80s. Photograph: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

Theresa May is to make a statement to the House of Commons on the fresh investigation into the "hugely shocking" north Wales child abuse allegations linked to a senior Conservative.

The home secretary said the investigation ordered by David Cameron would "look very carefully" into how the original inquiry assessed the allegations of sexual abuse at north Wales children's homes in the 1970s and 80s and make sure it was "done properly".

May told the BBC that the new investigation, to be led by a "senior independent figure", would look at how the original inquiry by the high court judge Sir Ronald Waterhouse was conducted. Steve Messham, who claims he was abused by the Conservative politician, has said the 2000 report covered only a fraction of the alleged assaults.

May struggled on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme to explain why the new inquiry was being set up, despite being repeatedly pressed on the issue: "There is going to be a review of the Waterhouse review, looking at the way it was conducted. These issues are hugely shocking and we have to go back and have a review of that inquiry to make sure that it has done the job that it was supposed to do," she said.

"Given the nature of these concerns, given the background, given the appalling nature of child abuse, we need to look very carefully to make sure that what was done in the past did indeed cover everything it needed to do, and was done properly."

The Waterhouse review ran to more than 1,000 pages and concluded that there was not sufficient evidence for the judge to be satisfied that the unnamed Conservative politician was involved.

The home secretary said her Commons statement, scheduled for 12.30pm on Tuesday, would also address the question of extra support and resources for the North Wales police to work with the new inquiry.

Faced by claims that senior Conservative politicians and other establishment figures may have been involved in the scandal – and a subsequent cover-up – Cameron announced on Monday he would establish an urgent investigation into the conduct of the Waterhouse inquiry, which was held between 1996 and 2000.

The prime minister, who is on an official visit to the Middle East, said on Tuesday: "These are very, very concerning allegations, they are dreadful allegations. We must get to the bottom of it as quickly as possible on behalf of the victims.

"That is why I have ordered this rapid investigation into the previous inquiry to find out whether there was something wrong with it and make sure the victims are properly listened to.

"Today the home secretary will be speaking to the House of Commons and making sure that the police have the capacity to deal with these allegations and make sure no stone is left unturned in getting to the bottom of these appalling matters."

Cameron's spokesman in London said a separate inquiry was expected to be held into how North Wales police handled complaints at the time. That inquiry is likely to be conducted by the National Crime Agency.

Up to five different inquiries are under way, or imminent, looking into various aspects of child abuse. But ministers feel they must be seen to be taking the allegations seriously, especially since the government has condemned the BBC over the Jimmy Savile allegations.

There is also concern in government circles that victims' allegations about abuse were not taken seriously in the past, and that there must be a clear signal from the top of government that any culture of complacency is changing.

Cameron has called on anyone who knew anything about the allegations of abuse to contact the police.

He and the cabinet secretary, Sir Jeremy Heywood, rushed to act as the media threatened to identify the senior Tory figure close to Lady Thatcher alleged to have been involved in the child abuse.

The government said it was acting largely due to the allegations made by the BBC Newsnight programme on Friday night, and not due to the campaign launched by the Labour MP Tom Watson.

On Newsnight, Messham said he had been abused by the senior Tory and said the claims had been "swept under the carpet". According to reports at the weekend, as many as three victims have named the Tory grandee as one of their abusers. Newsnight said at least one other victim of abuse in the homes said he was abused by the politician.

Messham was due to meet the Welsh secretary, David Jones, on Tuesday.

In an extraordinary letter to the prime minister, Watson praised Cameron for acting swiftly, but then made a series of further allegations about the extent of the cover-up in other police forces.

"It is certainly important that government departments trawl their archives to see what documents they hold," Watson said. "But my experience of uncovering massive establishment conspiracies leaves me in no doubt that what you have suggested does not go anything like far enough. Its limited scope may even slow things down, muddy waters, damage trails. What is needed is a much wider, but equally immediate, investigation."

He added: "Since sharing my concerns with you at PMQs, a number of people have come forward to say that they raised their suspicions with the police, but investigations were not carried out. One allegation involves alleged child abuse and a former cabinet minister. We both know that many untruths are told about politicians, but this allegation was specific, informed and appeared well corroborated."

The prime minister's spokesman insisted Cameron was "very keen to ensure that everything is looked at properly and thoroughly and that no stone is left unturned".

Another alleged victim, Keith Gregory, claimed names of abusers were excised from the inquiry report, apart from individuals in the care homes, and that the culprits included "MPs, solicitors, factory directors, shopkeepers, senior police officers. The list goes on".

The Welsh first minister, Carwyn Jones, said: "The Welsh government takes these allegations very seriously but could I ask that in the first instance victims of abuse who feel the abuse they suffered was not investigated properly should report their cases to the police. My officials have been in touch with North Wales police regarding these matters."

Jones said the Waterhouse inquiry had been extensive and many of its recommendations for improving child protection were implemented by the Welsh government.

But he added: "I have asked for urgent advice on the terms of reference of the Waterhouse inquiry. I want to fully understand what was included and what was not. That will enable me to consider whether any further inquiry will be necessary."

Jones said he would meet the children's commissioner – a role set up following the inquiry – to "hear his thoughts directly".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/06/wales-child-abuse-claims-inquiry

Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 15:00

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
As this dreadful business continues to unfold, wider questions occur to me that I have not seen answered elsewhere:

1) Is paedophilia more prevalent in the UK than in other developed nations?

2) Is it no more prevalent here than anywhere else, but we just report on it more?

3) Or, once discovered, do we take it much more seriously than other other countries do and expose it in our media?

I doubt it is 1), which suggests hundreds of thousands of children have been and continue to be abused all over the world and their abusers will never be identified.

Nick
Q1. Yes. Becuse our ruling classes are educated through the public school system, where they are introduced to anal rape at an early age.
Q2. Rather the opposite. We cover it up more than anybody else because we are a nation of hypocrites and we like to think that the rest of the world looks up to us, which is a joke.
Q3. The media loves it because it is a twisted form of pornography. Victorian values still have a lot to answer for in the UK.

Some good questions and answers.....................The public school system, I thought was definately part of this culture. I remember the film Young Winston and others where
Children of the ruling class were sent to away to become the next rulers/beaurocrats of the empire and a lack of love from home that, maybe made these young children fall
prey to the system ! of bullying,blackmail and cronyism that keeps most power still in the ruling class's today, where scandal & cover up are a part of life !!

2) Is it no more prevalent here than anywhere else, but we just report on it more? I do not think its anymore prevelent here than the rest of the
world, when you look into it. But it may be ingrained into the top of the
establishment more than we realised until David Icke & others started to really publically
expose this 20 yrs ago....None of this is new, history is full of it from the classics
in anciant Greece onwards . Which of course the public elite were exposed to
these teaching and the masses kept ignorent untill relatively recent times.

Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 15:34

LIST OF FAMOUS SATANISTS,
PEDOPHILES, AND MIND CONTROLLERS
by David Icke
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/listsatan.html

The following list has been compiled from the wealth of research I have put together over the last ten years. I would suggest that all of these are reptilian bloodline, but I only mention shape-shifting where it has been witnessed.

It is only an initial list and will be added to. If you can add names, and give the supporting evidence, that would be most helpful in exposing these horrors. By "Satanists", of course, I mean those involved in human sacrifice.

David Icke

Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 15:42

Will Gompertz Calls David Icke “Nuts” on BBC

David Icke, edward heath, globalists, latest headline news, News,

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Appearing in BBC’s News comedy program “Have I Got News For You”, BBC Art Critic Will Gomert, when presented with an image of David Icke, immediately called him nuts. He then went on to say he was doing rather well at the moment with a sell out 6000 people Wembly gig, only to spoil it by saying it was 11 hours of “Bollocks”.

Two things we found fascinating about this BBC attempt to knock Icke, firstly it fell rather flat. Merton and Hislop didn’t get involved in the usual attack, and much was said about how successful his 11 hour show, without notes was. The other interesting thing was that out of all the people Icke should be pictured with, the BBC chose Ted Heath, who Icke has been saying for years was a child killing paedophile. Could it be that a producer at the BBC knows more than they are letting on.

As for Will Gompertz, draw your own conclusions, but as my grandma used to say, if he looks like a dick, acts like a dick, and sounds like a dick, he’s probably a dick.

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The Question was who is the odd one out ? The answer David is because he
was the only one to talk to a sell out audiance and the other three had to
cancel there planned talks due to lack of interrest.....Thats when the idiot
BBC arts correspondent spouted his rubbish !!

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Update 4 November 2012

We’ve just realised that this post may appear to be slightly unfair to the £160,000 a year BBC arts editor who was appointed to the new role in 2009 shortly after a one-man show at the Edinburgh Fringe, during which he asked the audience to draw pictures of penises.

So, in the hope to be more balanced to Mr Gompertz, who boasts close links with Alan Yentob and former BBC director-general Mark Thompson who created the post of Arts Editor, we are sorry if we made you appear a bit odd, here is replacement image.

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Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 17:09

November 2012 Last updated at 16:53

.May launches north Wales child abuse inquiryTheresa May told MPs the head of the National Crime Agency would look at the allegations

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Vid of Teresa May on link.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20221959

Home Secretary Theresa May has announced a new police inquiry into allegations of child abuse in north Wales in the 1970s and 1980s.

She said the head of the National Crime Agency would investigate any fresh allegations, and examine the way the police handled the original complaints.

Separately, Mrs Justice Julia Wendy Macur will investigate the terms of the Waterhouse abuse inquiry in 2000.

Some victims say that inquiry did not examine all of their claims of abuse.

One alleges that a senior Conservative figure from the Thatcher era was involved in the abuse.

The allegations of abuse centred around children's homes in north Wales began to emerge in the 1990s. They were highlighted
again last week when victim Steve Messham said the inquiry had uncovered only a fraction of the abuse.

"In the home it was the standard abuse which was violent and sexual. Outside it was like you were sold," he told BBC Newsnight
last week, and detailed being tied down and raped in a hotel room.

The crime agency head, Keith Bristow, will look at how the historic claims were handled, and at fresh allegations. He will report
by April 2013, Mrs May told MPs.

The Serious and Organised Crime Agency and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre will also be involved.

But shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper expressed concern about the number of different investigations into child abuse
allegations, saying that they would not be able to draw their findings together.

'What was covered up'

In a statement to MPs, Mrs May said: "The government is treating these allegations with the utmost seriousness.

"Child abuse is a hateful, abhorrent and disgusting crime, and we must not allow these allegations to go unanswered,
and I therefore urge anybody who has information relating to these allegations to go to the police."

Mr Messham later met Welsh Secretary David Jones, and said they discussed "what went on in the past, what was covered
up, what shouldn't have been covered up, and what we can do in the future".

Mr Messham said: "I certainly have confidence that they are taking it seriously... but I haven't got confidence that it's going
to be done properly yet. When the inquiry was announced that was a Tory government - we're back to a Tory government.
Let's see how it goes."

Mr Jones said that the inquiry "must go wherever it leads".

He added: "Frankly the issue of embarrassment is secondary to the fact that a lot of people apparently suffered the most
appalling treatment over many, many years - children, the most vulnerable people you can possible imagine.

"So it's therefore absolutely essential that these people should feel that they have had justice. And wherever the inquiry leads, so be it."

Wider abuse claims

North Wales Police did investigate the care home abuse claims in 1991. Of eight prosecutions, seven former care workers were
convicted. But it was widely believed that the abuse was on a far greater scale, prompting the setting up of a public inquiry in
1996 to look again at the abuse claims.

Headed by Sir Ronald Waterhouse, the inquiry heard evidence from 650 people.

After the report was published in 2000, there were 140 compensation claims settled on behalf of the victims, and numerous
recommendations about children in care homes.

However, concerns have now been raised that the remit of the inquiry was too narrow, and that it failed to consider allegations
about children being taken out of the homes to be made available to abusers.

Richard Scorer, a solicitor who represented 30 victims at the Waterhouse Inquiry, said the previous inquiry had done a
"thorough job" of looking into "what it set out to investigate".

"It could not and did not look into broader paedophile networks. That is not what it was primarily set up to do," he said.

One victim, Martin Watkinson, said what was "finally" needed was "justice for the victims, and prison sentences for the
people who were abusing."

Multiple inquiries

The latest abuse inquiries come in the midst of several inquiries into separate allegations of widespread abuse by former
BBC presenter Jimmy Savile, relating to hundreds of victims over many decades.

Mrs May told MPs that Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary was looking at all forces that received allegations in
relation to Savile. It would examine whether these allegations were investigated properly, and identify wider lessons
from the response of the police forces involved.

Meanwhile, Ms Cooper told MPs: "We have already raised concerns that the Savile investigations ought to be brought
under a single inquiry and we remain concerned that these multiple inquiries have no way to draw together the
common themes, the problems, the lessons that need to be learned."

Mrs May responded: "If, at the end of the processes that we've set in train, it appears that it is necessary to move
forward to a wider investigation then we will look at that."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20221959

Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 19:03

Ex-Tory minister Sir Peter Morrison named as Paedophile tonight on channel four news......
Photographs coverd up by police and establishment claimed by
victim......This is how the elites get away with it.....Will the press demand the real
Truth !!!!

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Steve Meesham talking on channel 4 news , graphically about his experiance !

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Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 19:35

Tom Watson MP asking for a wider inquiry to cover the whole country!
Today in the House of Commons ......

He has also been warned to watch out for his own safety !

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ABOVE: Labour MP Tom Watson has also spoken out against Tony Blair's leadership in the past

LAST week we told how, in a separate case again involving an underage sex ring linked to Margaret
Thatcher’s government, police were warned: “Stop investigating if you want to keep your jobs.”
Now, Labour MP Tom Watson has revealed he has also been threatened for speaking out.
But he defiantly wrote on his blog: “I am not going to let this drop despite warnings from
people who should know that my personal safety is imperilled if I dig any deeper.

“It’s spooked me so much that I’ve kept a detailed log of all the allegations should anything happen.”

The MP last month revealed in Parliament the existence of a paedophile ring linked to a previous PM.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/280578/Labour-MP-spooked-by-warnings/

Cidersomerset

6th November 2012, 23:24

This report was from channel 4, 7pm news this evening

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Published on 6 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

Cathy Newman is joined by Paul Murphy, who was Labour's Welsh Secretary when the
Waterhouse Report was published - and the Conservative MP, Karen Lumley, who served
on the original inquiry into the abuse allegations.

bram

7th November 2012, 03:49

Lets just hope we can trust Cameron, I don't believe we can. Even if he isn't involvedin the paedovile ring

No, but he does have that look about him.....can't we find someone who was at public school with him, preferably the one he was fagging for? [Note to Americans- fagging is the process where the younger boys act as servants to the older boys, administering to their needs in the process. Most of Britain's ruling classes endured this process, later themselves becoming the older boys and ultimately rulers of the proud nation]

What we need are some undercover orphans with tracking devices, chastity belts and hidden camera's.

If anybody has seen the Stephen Chow film ''Fight back to school'', then I would recommend this approach. A young looking undercover cop with Kung Fu skills is what we need.

My other idea was to have a TV gameshow, phone in vote style and let the public decide if there is enough evidence to convict them.

Excellent idea. Bruce Forsyth would have been perfect for this show. But what will you do with them if convicted?

Cidersomerset

7th November 2012, 13:56

As this dreadful business continues to unfold, wider questions occur to me that I have not seen answered elsewhere:

1) Is paedophilia more prevalent in the UK than in other developed nations?

2) Is it no more prevalent here than anywhere else, but we just report on it more?

3) Or, once discovered, do we take it much more seriously than other other countries do and expose it in our media?

I doubt it is 1), which suggests hundreds of thousands of children have been and continue to be abused all over the world and their abusers will never be identified.

Nick

This has been posted seperately , but Alex & David cover all the questions
you raised and more in this recent vid Tue 6th nov 2012........
Talking about the massive Peodophile problem in the US & around the
world.....David says at the end 'If the police do not end up knocking
on the doors of Buckingham Palace, then you know there is still a
cover up !!

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Cidersomerset

7th November 2012, 14:25

BBC ..News on line update....

7 November 2012 Last updated at 10:09
.Wales child abuse: Tory aide claims investigated

The Conservative Party says it will ensure there is a full investigation into claims one of Margaret Thatcher's aides was involved in child abuse.
A former resident has alleged that Sir Peter Morrison, who died in 1995, visited the Bryn Estyn children's home on several occasions.
The home is at the centre of allegations of child abuse in north Wales during the 1970s and 1980s.

The home secretary has launched a new police inquiry into the allegations

The crime agency head, Keith Bristow, will look at how the historic claims were handled, and at fresh allegations. He will report by April 2013, Theresa May told MPs.
The Serious and Organised Crime Agency and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre will also be involved.

'Fresh allegations'

On Tuesday, Channel 4 News broadcast an allegation from an unnamed former resident of Bryn Estyn that he had seen the late Sir Peter Morrison -
a former close aide to Mrs Thatcher - visit the care home and drive away with one of the boys living there.
A spokesman for Conservative Central Office later responded by saying: "We will do everything in our power to ensure these serious allegations are investigated fully."

Sir Peter, who was MP for Chester from 1974 to 1992, died in 1995.

Meanwhile, the children's commissioner for Wales said his office had received 38 calls since a victim of the abuse, Steve Messham, spoke out last week.
Keith Towler said some of the calls were from people who "wanted to make fresh allegations" of abuse.
"We're taking calls from anywhere and everywhere," said Mr Towler

Some of the calls were directly related either to the Waterhouse inquiry or to abuse in children's homes dating back to the 1970s and 1980s, he said.
"Other people are raising other issues related to other matters - you will appreciate I cannot go into the detail of that," he added.
The alleged abuse centring on children's homes in north Wales - and specifically the Bryn Estyn home at Wrexham - began to emerge in the 1990s.
North Wales Police investigated the claims in 1991 and of eight prosecutions, seven former care workers were convicted.
But it was widely believed that the abuse was on a far greater scale, prompting the setting up of a public inquiry in 1996 which was headed by
Sir Ronald Waterhouse and heard evidence from 650 people.

After the report was published in 2000, there were 140 compensation claims settled on behalf of the victims, and numerous recommendations about children in care homes.
The allegations were highlighted again last week when Mr Messham told BBC's Newsnight that the inquiry in 1996 had uncovered only a fraction of the abuse.
It has raised concerns that the remit of the inquiry was too narrow, and that it failed to consider allegations about children being taken out of the homes to be made available to abusers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20234776

Cidersomerset

7th November 2012, 14:33

What David Icke Wrote About in The Biggest Secret in 1998
and the time limit on legal action against the book is long past

Wednesday, 07 November 2012 12:28

By David Icke

This was the same book in which he named former Prime Minister Edward Heath as a paedophile, Satanist and mass
child killer seven years before Heath died (a 'journalist' read him the text days after publication); the book in which
he outed President Father George Bush as a child-killing, child-torturing paedophile; and the book in which David also
exposed the Satanism and human sacrifice rituals of the British royal family.

The Biggest Secret, 1998:

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75061-what-david-icke-wrote-about-conservative-party-treasurer-lord-alistair-mcalpine-in-the-biggest-secret-in-1998-and-the-time-limit-on-legal-action-against-the-book-is-long-past

Cidersomerset

7th November 2012, 17:15

BBC..NEWS...Website....

7 November 2012 Last updated at 16:51

.Wales child abuse: 'No public names' in report The abuse claims centred around the Bryn Estyn children's home in north Wales Continue reading the main story

Two audio ,,,,interviews onlink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20234776

The author of a shelved report into abuse at children's homes in the 1970s and 1980s said public figures were not among names given by victims.

John Jillings said he did not recall allegations that children were taken from north Wales homes and abused.

One victim said an independent inquiry commissioned by Clwyd County Council, on which the report was based, would have been told of such abuse claims.

Steve Messham criticised Mr Jillings' recollection about the names given.

The home secretary has launched a new police inquiry into the abuse allegations.

North Wales Police investigated abuse claims in 1991, and seven former care workers were convicted.

But as more claims of widespread abuse in almost 40 homes emerged, Clwyd County Council commissioned Mr Jillings in March 1994 to look into the issue. However, his report was never published because of legal concerns.

'Memory fading'

When asked what names emerged from the victims, Mr Jillings told BBC4's World At One: "I'd rather not get involved in listing names because it's a long time behind me, they didn't include well-known people in public life."

"The people the investigation focussed on, because these were the people that the children spoke to us about, were staff members."

Claims of alleged abuse were highlighted last week when Mr Messham said the subsequent government-commissioned Waterhouse inquiry had uncovered only a fraction of the abuse.

"In the home it was the standard abuse which was violent and sexual. Outside it was like you were sold," he told BBC Newsnight, and detailed being tied down and raped in a hotel room.

In an interview with BBC reporter Sima Kotecha, Mr Jillings was asked if he remembered Mr Messham's allegations.

"I don't recall it, no. My memory may be fading but I don't remember that was one of the issues he raised with us. I can remember very, very serious allegations of abuse by staff members," he said.

He was also asked whether he had heard claims by one of the victims of abuse by a leading Thatcher-era Conservative politician who is still alive.

"Not to the best of my knowledge. I'm sure that would have lodged in my mind and we would have wanted to investigate it had we known about it."

Mr Messham said he could not remember what he had said to the inquiry but he would have been referring to copies of his police statements in which he had always been "crystal clear" about who abused him.

"If I was certainly in front of an inquiry I would have mentioned the hotels, I would have mentioned these people," he said.

"To say that people outside the homes weren't named, that is completely wrong as well. He [Mr Jillings] says however, and credit to him in this way, 'well my remit was to investigate the staff in the homes'.

"Well, yes, OK, that was his remit but to say he wasn't told of any abuse that took place outside the homes, to say he wouldn't be told about the hotel in Wrexham, I think is appalling."

Mr Jillings said he was led to believe the report was not published because the county council's insurers felt it could result in individual children suing for compensation in a way that could have been costly.

"We were very frustrated, we were concerned on behalf of the children, we felt that we had wasted an enormous amount of time and effort and not to be able to publish the report was totally unacceptable," he said.

Municipal Mutual Insurance said that based upon legal advice it considered the report prepared by Mr Jillings had not been suitable for publication.

A spokesman said: "The Waterhouse tribunal commented in its report entitled Lost in Care, that it was almost inevitable that there would be allegations of a 'cover up' by Clwyd. However, the tribunal accepted these allegations were unjustified."

Mr Jillings said some of the victims may have deliberately not mentioned well-known people when being questioned because they were frightened of the repercussions.

Jane Tunstill, who also worked on the report, told the BBC she did not remember any of the victims talking about politicians.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20234776

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This is getting worse.....John jillings says in the audio clip, the reason his
report was not published was in case the victims sued the county council
insurance company for compansation.................This is a scandal in it selfe !!!!

Cidersomerset

7th November 2012, 19:48

DAILY EXPRESS....

SIR JIMMY SAVILE was quizzed by police in the 1970s over a string of notorious murders, according to a former cop.

Wednesday 7th November 2012...

The late TV star, who has been accused of abusing up to 300 youngsters throughout his long-running entertainment career before his 2011 death, was questioned by officials about the 'Yorkshire Ripper' killings.

Former West Yorkshire police detective John Stainthorpe tells ITV Calendar News, "When the Ripper was really active, one of the suspects put forward by the public was, in fact, Jimmy Savile.

"Strange as it may seem. Obviously, it was not him, but he was interviewed along with many others."

Peter Sutcliffe was later convicted of murdering 13 women and attempting to kill seven others in the notorious crime spree in and around Yorkshire. He is serving 20 life sentences in a high security psychiatric hospital in Berkshire.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/356663/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-quizzed-over-murders

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/281109/Savile-quizzed-by-Ripper-police/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9660699/Jimmy-Savile-was-suspected-of-being-Yorkshire-Ripper.html

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THE TELEGRAPH...........

Jimmy Savile linked to North Wales child abuse scandal
Jimmy Savile has been linked to the North Wales child abuse scandal, according to victims

9:18AM GMT 07 Nov 2012
Boys were reportedly molested to entertain Savile at Bryn Estyn care home in Wrexham, North Wales.

One victim said he was raped repeatedly by deputy head of the home Peter Howarth.

He said that he and other boys would also have their pyjama bottoms pulled down by Howarth for Savile's entertainment.

The boy, known as "Ben" said that Savile would regularly visit the care home with his brother in a chauffeured limousine.

Boys would be taken to visit him at Howarth's flat if they behaved well.

The victim told The Sun newspaper: "Howarth pulled down my pyjama bottoms in front of Savile. I was helpless as Jimmy watched.

He thought it funny entertainment. This happened to a number of boys."

According to "Ben", Savile would ask him: "What do you want me to do? Can I fix it for you."

The victim added: "He kept on looking at me and smiling and laughing. Then he started rubbing my leg. After that I went to bed but he had other children brought up to him."

Howarth was one of the few people convicted through the original North Wales police investigation into child abuse, carried out between 1991 and 1993.

He was jailed in 1994 for 10 years for sexually abusing teenage boys. He died in jail.

Another victim of Bryn Estyn was Steve Messham, who claims he was repeatedly abused as a child by a senior member of the conservative party, as well as others.

Yesterday he told Channel 4 News that he passed photographs of children being abused, including himself, to the police but they failed to act.

He also said the men who abused him as a teenager frequently threatened him, saying: "If you tell anyone, I'll have you killed."

The Home Secretary Theresa May said that a new investigation into the allegations of child abuse by a senior Tory is "right and proper" amid doubts over whether a previous public inquiry was "appropriate"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9660546/Jimmy-Savile-linked-to-North-Wales-child-abuse-scandal.html

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THE TELEGRAPH........

Independent inquiry to examine claims of Jersey abuse
Claims that Sir Jimmy Savile abused girls at a children’s home in Jersey are to be examined by a new independent inquiry.

By John-Paul Ford Rojas
3:56PM GMT 07 Nov 2012
It comes after revelations about the late TV presenter reawakened concerns about his visits to Haut de la Garenne.

Four years ago, the home was the subject of a police investigation over allegations that it was at the centre of a paedophile ring.
Lenny Harper, the officer who led the probe, said last month that while Savile’s name had come up there was not enough evidence to charge him.

Steptoe and Son actor Wilfrid Brambell, who died in 1985, has also been linked to claims of abuse involving the home.

Plans for the inquiry, which will look into claims of child abuse over several decades on Jersey, have been put forward by the island's
government and will now be put to the vote in its parliament. It will question victims and staff members as well as looking at how the
government dealt with concerns about abuse, and whether allegations were dealt with impartially and free from political interference.

Ian Gorst, the chief minister, said: “We believe the inquiry we are proposing will provide a trusted forum where witnesses can share
their experiences, where a healing process can begin and through which we can develop a shared understanding of the lessons which
need to be learned from our past.” It is the tenth investigation to be set up following revelations about Savile’s alleged abuse at the
BBC and at hospitals, and further claims about abuse at care homes in North Wales said to involve a senior Tory.

The Prime Minister has come under pressure to launch an over-arching inquiry into all the claims but today Andrew Lansley, Leader
of the House of Commons, told the BBC’s World at One that such an “all-embracing” probe might be too slow.
Meanwhile, a former social services director who led a 1990s inquiry into abuse at care homes in north Wales said that it was not
told of allegations involving a senior Tory. John Jillings said those named by victims had included staff members from the home but
not well-known public figures or others who had taken them off to hotels, as has been suggested.

Mr Jillings, 78, said he could not recall claims about a senior Tory.
He said: “I am sure that that would have lodged in my mind and we would have wanted to investigate it had we known about it.”
Steve Messham, who claims that he was abused by the senior Tory, disputed Mr Jillings’s comments, saying he would have mentioned
the allegations when he spoke to the inquiry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9661795/Independent-inquiry-to-examine-claims-of-Jersey-abuse.html

Cidersomerset

8th November 2012, 18:36

David Cameron warns of 'witch-hunt' against gay people

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David Cameron warns of 'witch-hunt' against gay people
8 November 2012 Last updated at 12:14 Help David Cameron has warned against public child abuse allegations turning into a "witch-hunt" against gay people.

The prime minister made his comment on ITV1's This Morning programme as he was handed a list of names circulating online as paedophiles.

Mr Cameron, who did not look at the names, said anyone with any information about paedophiles should go to the police.

Clip courtesy of This Morning ITV1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20248711

EYES WIDE OPEN

8th November 2012, 18:50

Can someone explain to me wtf this has to do with being gay??!!!!!

Cidersomerset

8th November 2012, 19:01

Can someone explain to me wtf this has to do with being gay??!!!!!

Absolutely nothing ! but I suspect the names on the list and Sir Peter Morrison were/are..............Jimmy Saville was definately not
and most of these people will abuse anyone ! if given the opertunity and the young and vulnerable of either sex are obvious victims ...

Cidersomerset

8th November 2012, 20:06

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There are some allagations and corroberation of cover up on tonights channel 4 news

Sian Griffiths says the photos Steve Meesham stole from the flat of one of

his attackers were ordered to be destroyed.........

There was a cover up and will there be another ?

Strong and upsetting interview............I'l post when they appear on

Channel 4 website !!

The Masons are an avenue thats needs investigation in North Wales ?

Says Keith Gregory and another interviewie,,,,

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some of the interviews are on here

Notes on a scandal: Sian Griffiths on north Wales child abuse

From the initial investigation into north Wales child abuse in 1991 to the Waterhouse inquiry in 2000,
Sian Griffiths has collated details of every allegation and document surrounding the scandal.

http://www.channel4.com/news/

Wow fair play channel 4 one of the correspondents talking about scandel & cover ups could have come straight out of the alternate community !!

Powerfull men covering up the truth ! covering each others back!
Police , military officers being promoted political and establishment
figures sweeping scandels under the carpet !!

He says it here on this report on Hillsborough another establishment
cover up !!

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He sounded just like David Icke ...WOW !!!

Actually tonights show was highlighting..............

The past on trial: a national watershed?

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After revelations about Jimmy Savile, north Wales abuse and Hillsborough, Channel 4 News
looks at how our institutions and processes are failing the victims of national tragedy and scandal.

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Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

Channel 4 looks at the issue of grooming in the past and whether society's reluctance to face the
issues - and a lack of awareness - helped cover up the abuse.

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Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

PM David Cameron warns of a witch hunt emerging as names are being posted online of people accused of crimes
involving children. The PM was confronted with a list of names today on a live TV broadcast.

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Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

Jon Snow chairs a panel including Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg and author Jake Arnot who
discuss how to bring child abuse scandals to light after revelations in north Wales. channel4news.

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Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper discusses serious allegations of crime involving children but says the
Prime Minister could not be expected to discuss individual cases on camera. .

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Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

Cathy Newman speaks to Councillor Keith Gregory, former care
home resident at Bryn Estyn, about the child abuse scandal in Wales. .

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Published on 8 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

The Waterhouse Tribunal concluded there was a child abuse ring in north Wales, but names were never named.
Channel 4 is the first to see the list - 54 names in all, 38 accused of sexual abuse - and 11 women are among them,
seven of those accused of abuse.

Cidersomerset

8th November 2012, 21:44

THE herald Scotland............

Thursday 8 November 2012
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Fresh call for abuse inquiry
Kathleen Nutt

FORMER residents of Scotland's orphanages are to relaunch their campaign for an independent public inquiry into child abuse in residential homes in light of the Jimmy Savile scandal.

Chris Daly, secretary of victims' support group In Care Abuse Survivors, is to request a meeting with Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, who backed a public inquiry in opposition.

Several investigations into child abuse allegations have been launched in the past two weeks after hundreds of complaints against Savile and fresh paedophile claims linked to a north Wales care home

Mr Daly, 47, of Rutherglen, Glasgow, who was physically abused while in care in Nazareth House, a Catholic home, in Aberdeen, during the 1970s, said there are many parallels between the Savile case and the abuse of children in homes in Scotland. These include the fact that victims were not believed.

He said: "I'm delighted at the speed at which the authorities in England have responded to the allegations about Savile.

"I am disappointed our calls for a full inquiry into abuse in children's homes in Scotland seem to have fallen on deaf ears. With the public's attention focused now on how abusers such as Savile managed to get away with their wicked acts for so long, I hope our request will finally be successful."

It is thought Savile, who died last year aged 84, may have abused scores of young girls and some boys over a 40-year period.

The BBC, the Department of Health, police and the Director of Public Prosecutions will all examine allegations made about the late broadcaster.

It has also been announced the National Crime Agency will examine activities at Bryn Estan care home in the 1970s and 1980s. A High Court judge will examine the robustness of the original Waterhouse review into the allegations after a former resident claimed Sir Peter Morrison, a close aid to Mrs Thatcher, visited the home on a number of occasions.

Sir Peter, the MP for Chester from 1974 to 1992, died in 1995.

In Scotland, plans by ministers to establish a National Confidential Forum to allow former residents of all homes to speak out are under way. How-ever, former residents claim the powers of the proposed forum are limited. They want an inquiry that can force former staff to appear and that could pave the way for prosecutions.

Mr Daly first called for an inquiry in 2002 when he addressed MSPs at Holyrood's petitions' committee. The petition led to former first minister Jack McConnell making a public apology in Parliament in 2004 and a report on abuse in care homes in Scotland between 1950 to 1995.

Mr MacAskill, then shadow justice spokesman, supported the setting up of an inquiry in the debate that followed Mr McConnell's apology. "There are precedents elsewhere, such as in Australia, Canada and Ireland, where similar inquiries have been carried out. It is important such inquiries are carried out," Mr MacAskill told Holyrood in December 2004.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said: "In 2010, the Scottish Human Rights Commission published recommendations to the Scottish Government on access to justice, effective remedies and reparation for survivors of childhood abuse, including a public inquiry." He said the Government was engaging with the commission to consider the recommendations.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/fresh-call-for-abuse-inquiry.19340622

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Come on Scottish press look into this scandel !!!

http://thewe.cc/thewe_/images_5/---/illuminati-strategy/Holly-Grieg.jpe

Terrified Scottish Establishment DesperateTo Suppress Exposure Of Their Paedophile Ring

A ring that connects into the 'heart' (wrong word) of the Scottish and British governments
and the Westminster Parliament and involved Dunblane mass child killer, Thomas Hamilton.

Reporter Robert Green has been arrested and will appear in court in Aberdeen on Monday morning
for the crime of exposing these sick and depraved people who get their 'kicks' from sexually
abusing and raping children, including the Down's Syndrome girl, Hollie Greig.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/90032-terrified-scottish-establishment-desperateto-suppress.html

Cidersomerset

8th November 2012, 21:51

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20258447

8 November 2012 Last updated at 18:12

Jimmy Savile's chauffeur arrestedJimmy Savile's former chauffeur and a second man have been arrested over historic rape allegations not connected to the Savile inquiry.

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Police said a 71-year-old - understood to be Savile's ex-chauffeur Ray Teret - and a 61-year-old were arrested at an address in Altrincham, Cheshire.

Det Insp Simon Davies said he wanted to make it "absolutely clear" it was not an investigation into Savile.

The arrests follow three separate allegations of sexual abuse.

Det Insp Davies said they had led to the arrest of the older man while the second man was arrested in connection with one of the complaints.

The people who had come forward had shown "tremendous courage" and the police's primary focus was to support them during what was "clearly a very traumatic time for them", he added.

He said none of the allegations related to "any involvement by Savile", who is being investigated by the Met Police's Operation Yewtree into claims he sexually abused young people.

Police believe the former BBC TV presenter and DJ, who died last year aged 84, could have abused as many as 300 people over a 40-year period.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9665260/Jimmy-Saviles-former-chauffeur-arrested-on-suspicion-of-rape.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4634428/Jimmy-Saviles-chauffeur-arrested.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-saviles-former-flatmate-and-chauffeur-1425643

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229994/Jimmy-Saviles-chauffeur-flatmate-Ray-Teret-arrested-suspicion-rape.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jimmy-saviles-former-chauffeur-and-flatmate-arrested-on-suspicion-of-historic-rape-8298163.html

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 08:04

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FREEMASONRY – CATHOLICISM AND THE PEDOPHILE CONNECTION:

A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENA WITH THE SAME AGENDAS

1. Both organisations are religious cults – based in so-called Christianity

2. Both organisations are steeped in the Black-Occult, (Black-arts) and involve secret rituals at All levels.

3. Both organisations publically propagate deceit and lies that they exist ‘for the good of all’ and are humanitarian/community based charity.

4. Both organisations are Secret Societies that are run like a corporation. Compartmentalised Hierarchical Structures giving information to their lower ‘subjects’ on a ‘need to know basis’.

5. Both organisations have compartments that do community based projects run by good people that genuinely wish to help others…….(the cover).

6. Both organisations have compartments that are involved in the design and implementation of the sexual abuse of children……….(the true agenda).

7. Both organisations have structures in place that when the realisation of child abuse by their perpetrators becomes public knowledge they will systematically be able to cover it up.

8. Both organisations are protected by the Police hierarchies as well as Military Intelligence. Part of their system of cover up is via, non-compliance to complaints , ‘pseudo’-incompetence, ‘loss’ of documents and witnesses statement’s and the Masonic Law that the issue’s will be dealt with ‘in house’… but they never are, as the abuse is fundamental to the organisations very existence!!

The main difference that exists between these two Secret Societies is that the Freemasons Cult is far better organised and equipped than the Catholic Cult at the design and implementation for child abuse and subsequent cover-ups.

It is also imperative for everyone to realise that these Secret Societies child abuse networks within both of these organisations are categorically instrumental to the powerful and evil integrity of their very structure.

These ritual child abuse networks are NOT off shoot ‘perk’s, of the sexual deviate’s in these organisations. They are fundamentally intrinsic to their very existence of Occult power and control over the masses.

This is a worldwide phenomenon – and it will Never………. ‘Just go away’.

It must be fully addressed – to be destroyed. It requires a plan. A Plan off action.

There is only the combination of two strategies that can and will destroy these Evil Satanic Secret-Society Child Abuse Rings:

1. The knowledge by a large number of people that these networks actually Do exist:

2. A plan of action to destroy these networks – once and for all!

I have the Knowledge and I also have the Plan…….…..to be continued

George Hardy Farquhar

http://macpc.org.au/site/freemasonry-catholicism-and-the-pedophile-connection/

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 08:47

Masons in the North Wales Police force try to hide their existence.
Child abuse is rife.
Are the two facts related

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Uploaded by rebeccatelevision on 19 Apr 2011

THIS TWO-PART FILM tells the story of an extraordinary child abuse case in North Wales. A retired police detective claims that he was introduced to a child sex abuse ring by a fellow freemason. The retired police officer is jailed but he claims that he doesn't know the identity of the mason who invited him into the ring. This second mason has never been caught. The police didn't investigate until Rebecca, Britain's first investigative website, began asking some awkward questions. Click on part two for the rest of the programme — and visit Rebecca [rebeccatelevision] for more details about this pioneering multi-media website.

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Uploaded by rebeccatelevision on 19 Apr 2011

THIS TWO-PART FILM tells the story of an extraordinary child abuse case in North Wales. A retired police detective claims that he was introduced to a child sex abuse ring by a fellow freemason. The retired police officer is jailed but he claims that he doesn't know the identity of the mason who invited him into the ring. This second mason has never been caught. The police didn't investigate until Rebecca, Britain's first investigative website, began asking some awkward questions. Click on part two for the rest of the programme — and visit Rebecca [rebeccatelevision] for more details about this pioneering multi-media website.

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 11:16

Max Clifford Accuses Alan Clark of Underage Sex

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'The former government minister Alan Clark had sex with children, according to the publicity agent Max Clifford. In a secretly filmed, three-minute interview posted on the internet last night, the publicist said that the Tory MP and diarist had "interfered" with two 14-year-old girls. But he added, during a discussion of his success in suppressing scandals, that the story had never come out.

Last night Mr Clifford, who was unaware his comments were being recorded, strenuously denied that he had told the girls' family to stay quiet about the allegations.'

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 14:49

Oh, please, David Cameron, you know who the paedophiles are in your own party, past and present, so cut the moral bollocks, it's pathetic
Friday, 09 November 2012 11:04

By David Icke

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When daytime TV presenter, Phillip Schofield, handed a list of potential paedophiles to Prime Minister Cameron, we had the feigned moral outrage when he knows who is a paedophile and who isn't, if anyone isn't, on the list, and this crap about a 'witch hunt' is just an attempt to deflect attention from the fact that he knows, just like his current Foreign Secretary and former party leader, William Hague knows, who in their party was named by victims as abusers of children in North Wales.

Cameron knows at least most of the paedophiles in his party (and the Labour and Liberal Democrat parties are just the same) and he knows that the party has been protecting them while knowing who they are and what they have done. All the rest is detail, smokescreen and cover up.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75195-oh-please-david-cameron-you-know-who-the-paedophiles-are-in-your-own-party-past-and-present-so-cut-the-moral-bollocks-its-pathetic

angelahedgehog

9th November 2012, 17:09

Someone read an opinion piece to me from The Times the other day entitled:

Is it time we reappraised the music of our rock'n'roll heroes?
www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/music/article3591141.ece

You'll need to be a subscriber to read it, but the gist of it were the songs from bands like Led Zepplin, Rolling Stones, Ozzie Ozbourne etc. some were about sex with underage girls and that it was an accepted part of the lifestyle.

I think that this is cathartic for people who have been disbelieved - it's pretty mortifying to be told you're lying with no offer of help - but it's really got to move from being set in the 60s and 70s and start covering what's going on now.

As a side note and I may be completely way off here .... But it occurs to me that this sort of information would have been collected over the years through the 'hacking' of phones and righty now there's a hacked off wrinkly Aussie with a mighty big axe to slowly grind .... Just a thought.

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 17:16

I think that this is cathartic for people who have been disbelieved - it's pretty mortifying to be told you're lying with no offer of help - but it's really got to move from being set in the 60s and 70s and start covering what's going on now.

I know angelahedgehog thats why I highlighted the Freemasons info on the new thread......because unless you have followed this thread, it could be missed..

The drug & pop culture was set up allegedly by intelligence agencies as a
social experiment and exploition of Children has never been on the elites
agenda they like adults are here to be exploited , however they see fit !!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51846-Freemasons-links-to-establishment-cover-up-in-North-Wales-case-....

Earth Angel

9th November 2012, 17:28

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 17:38

I was just discussing this case with my daughter and said as David Icke has pointed out if this doesn't lead to the royal family its a cover up....she said but they've covered up everything all along, all they have to do is say yes we investigated and we found nothing.....Does anyone have any idea how this could come to any other conclusion?? I see lots of info coming out all the time but do you think it will ever really be made into something that will stick with regards to the royals?

At the end of the David & Alex Jones interview on # 171 page 9

.....David says at the end 'If the police do not end up knocking
on the doors of Buckingham Palace, then you know there is still a
cover up !!

When you look into it there are abuse cases by the powerfull, wealthy elites
all over the world ! Plus many many other types of abuse from sweatshop
slavery to missing millions of children....Have many have ended up in
these sick peoples sacrifices................Then the otherside of Davids
& others research is not so far fetched !!

Saville Had keys cut to the Morgues!! How sick is that !!! Necrophelia !!

Was Jimmy Savile a necrophiliac too?
Reports this week suggest he may have had keys and open access to a morgue

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/was-jimmy-savile-a-necrophiliac-too-8216476.html

angelahedgehog

9th November 2012, 18:05

I think that this is cathartic for people who have been disbelieved - it's pretty mortifying to be told you're lying with no offer of help - but it's really got to move from being set in the 60s and 70s and start covering what's going on now.

I know angelahedgehog thats why I highlighted the Freemasons info on the new thread......beacuse unless you have followed this thread, it could be missed..

The drug & pop culture was set up allegedly by intelligence agencies as a
social experiment and exploition of Children has never been on the elites
agenda they like adults are here to be exploited by however they see fit !!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51846-Freemasons-links-to-establishment-cover-up-in-North-Wales-case-....

Yeah, I've seen a lot of information about that. I just posted the link to the piece because it was relevant for this thread but this whole issue is a long and winding rabbit hole.

Thanks for the thread link, I'll check it out later :)

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 18:05

This is the balance....If false allegations are made, Obviously they need to speak
up now it is in the open!!....Injustice can happen on both sides, but this must
not be buried again in beaurocracy !! Lord Mc Alpine should be appologised to
for any false accusations !!

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9 November 2012 Last updated at 18:01

.Lord McAlpine 'to take legal action' over abuse claimsLord McAlpine's solicitor Andrew Reid: "We have to look at Newsnight and the way in which they behaved"

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Video on link .........http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20266118

Lord McAlpine has "no choice" but to take legal action over claims of abuse at a north Wales children's home, the Conservative peer's solicitor has said.

Andrew Reid said claims linking the peer to alleged historical child abuse were "false and seriously defamatory".

The solicitor was critical of the BBC's Newsnight, on which claims were made although no-one was named.

The solicitor was critical of the BBC's Newsnight, on which claims were made although no-one was named.

The BBC said the Newsnight broadcast had voiced concerns raised by an abuse victim, in the public interest.

Steve Meesham, a former resident of the Bryn Estyn children's home in Wrexham, last week claimed on Newsnight that he had been abused by an unnamed senior politician of the Thatcher era at the home.

Mr Messham called for a new investigation claiming a report by Sir Ronald Waterhouse in 2000 had not uncovered the full scale of the abuse.

In a statement on Friday, Lord McAlpine, 70, who was Conservative Party treasurer from the late 1970s until 1990, said he had been named on the internet and by implication by other media over the claims and was issuing a denial "to set the record straight".

Some newspapers on Friday reported that the peer had been a victim of mistaken identity.

Asked by BBC Radio 4's PM programme if Lord McAlpine would take legal action, Mr Reid said: "Sadly he has no choice.

"We need to take a number of different actions. Firstly to try to get this taken down from the internet, which is not going to be easy.

"Then we have to look at Newsnight and... the way in which they behaved, the way they trailed, they made it obvious who it was, or who they alleged it was by referring people to the internet.

"And all the others who have used the internet and just let people know where to go and find the answer because they made these statements recklessly."

Former solicitor-general Sir Edward Garnier QC has been instructed to act on behalf of Lord McAlpine's solicitors.

In his statement, Lord McAlpine said he wanted to "tackle these slurs and set the record straight".

He said: "I have never been to the children's home in Wrexham, nor have I ever visited any children's home, reform school or any other institution of a similar nature.

"I have never stayed in a hotel in or near Wrexham, I did not own a Rolls-Royce, have never had a 'Gold card' or 'Harrods card' and never wear aftershave, all of which have been alleged.

"I did not sexually abuse Mr Messham or any other residents of the children's home in Wrexham."

Lord McAlpine, whose grandfather founded the McAlpine construction firm, is a life peer who took the title of Baron McAlpine of West Green in Hampshire.

He became Conservative Party Treasurer in the late 1970s and held the post until 1990. He now lives in Italy.

The peer, who has been married three times and has three children, said there had been a "media frenzy" surrounding the child abuse allegations in Wales and "ill- or uninformed commentators" had used the internet to accuse him of something he had not done.

A BBC spokeswoman said: "Newsnight broadcast an investigation into alleged failures in a child abuse inquiry. It worked with the Bureau of Investigative Journalism to give a voice to concerns raised by an abuse victim.

"It was in the public interest to air these. We did not name any public figure for legal reasons. It is now for the inquiries announced by the home secretary to dig deeper into Mr Messham's concerns."

Newsnight is already the subject of a BBC inquiry, headed by ex-Sky News boss Nick Pollard, into why the programme dropped an investigation into sexual abuse claims against Jimmy Savile last year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20266118

'Just in on six pm news' ..

Steve Meecham says picture of Lord Mc Alpine not the one he saw !!

Lord McAlpine gets man's apology over abuse claims Steve Messham met Welsh Secretary David Jones earlier this week Continue reading the main story

A former resident of a north Wales care home has apologised for making false allegations of sexual abuse against a Conservative politician.

Steve Messham said a case of mistaken identity had led to peer Lord McAlpine being linked to the historical claims.

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There are stories the press are now packed like a bunch of Leemings
outside Steve's flat, so they said on Channel 4 news tonight.

How 'prattish' is that, chase the story by all means, but don't turn up
like a pack of dogs chasing a cat !!

mahalall

9th November 2012, 19:14

Lord Mc Alpine's solicitor plans to take down the allegations from the internet.

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Why not instead state that his attempting to find the truth or is his investments at risk?

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 19:31

Thanks Mahalall ..........I have just been watching channel 4 news and they have done a couple good reports that I'll post
when they become availble.....There a danger the media will swing the other way over the Lord Mc Alpine Allegations !

If Steve Meesham has named the wrong man that does not mean he was not still raped repeatedly by powerfull men.
Lets hope Lord Mc Alpines friends can help identify the real culprits if they are from among the political elite!

Lord Mc Alpines deserves a full apology if innocent . But there is still a lot more to the story of Bryn Estyn !

Kiforall

9th November 2012, 19:37

I think these people involved have been doing it for so long believing they are 'protected' and have had the legal knowledge and authority to cover up stories and evidence they are bound to have become complacent at some point.

There are going to be witnesses who will gain strength and courage from us.
Every new story brings light to more and more mistakes these ppeople have made because they have thought they were untouchable.

They are using the law now the same as they always have done but now we no longer believe people just because they have a QC after their name.

Let them go along with what has always worked for them before.
It won't work this time.
We have to believe that.

If they want to keep bringing up the 'Rock culture' fine, let them.
We know it goes immorally much deeper than that.
I don't really have an issue with rock stars having sex with 14yr olds if there is consent. It's against the law, fair enough, but is in a totally different league to what is going on to young children in this industry.

I think we will need to keep pushing for the next layer to be exposed. It's going to be a slow process but we wait until they think we are happy and then we say right, you've looked into this, great, now lets get a bit deeper and deeper until we finally get to the people who we are interested in.

I'm trying to remain positive and God knows it's hard but what else can we do?

Zoe x

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 19:45

I think we will need to keep pushing for the next layer to be exposed. It's going to be a slow process but we wait until they think we are happy and then we say right, you've looked into this, great, now lets get a bit deeper and deeper until we finally get to the people who we are interested in.

I'm trying to remain positive and God knows it's hard but what else can we do?

Zoe x

Ann Clwyd MP for Cynon Valley gave a good segment on Channel 4 news about four boys
who were abused at Bryn Estyn from her constintuacy...........not on channel 4 u/tube yet.

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This is from the BBC website...video on link ...

Wales child abuse: Publish Jillings report - Ann Clwyd MP
8 November 2012 Last updated at 19:43 Help A report into abuse at children's homes in
north Wales which was never released should now be published, according to
Cynon Valley MP Ann Clwyd.

She said the effects on the victims cannot be underestimated.

It comes on the day Prime Minister David Cameron warned of a witch-hunt when it
came to naming alleged paedophiles.

Matthew Richards reports.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20256842

Cidersomerset

9th November 2012, 21:46

This enquiry is still alive and needs serious answers ! The Abused were still Abused !

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Published on 9 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

An extraordinary U-turn tongiht when a Welsh child abuse victim apologises to Lord McAlpine for
implicating him in the scandal calling it a case of mistaken identity.

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Published on 9 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

Reporter Paraic O'Brien looks back on an extraordinary week of child abuse allegations involving establishment
members and an apology from one such victim citing mistaken identity. But have all of the questions been answered? .

Cidersomerset

10th November 2012, 12:00

This is Davids take on it from his web sit and he thinks the same its very odd !

Is it only me??

Saturday, 10 November 2012 11:44
By David Icke

Let me get this right. I know it’s difficult to grasp the logic of what follows if you have a brain on active duty, but, hey, this is Planet Earth in 2012.

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A man called Steve Messham tells the BBC current affairs programme, Newsnight, that he was abused as a child while a resident in a North Wales children's home in the 1970s/1980s by former Conservative Party Treasurer Lord Alistair McAlpine.

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Except that Newsnight did not broadcast the actual name in its programme.
Speculation begins and Lord Alistair McAlpine's name is widely circulated across the Internet from multiple sources as being the person that Messham was talking about although Messham does not confirm this.

On the day that McAlpine's lawyers released a statement denying that he is a paedophile or in any way involved in the North Wales children’s homes scandal, Messham issues an apology to Lord McAlpine saying that it was a case of 'mistaken identity' and that he should never have named him.

Er, Steve, mate, publicly you DIDN'T.

WTF?

This allows the BBC to issue a grovelling statement apologising to McAlpine whom the Newsnight programme never named!!

Steve Messham said that the reason he has recanted on his not publicly mentioning the name of Lord McAlpine is that he was shown a picture of McAlpine by police 'in the last hour' and he realised it was not the man who abused him over and over and over decades ago.

Hold on a minute, while I breathe very deeply and sip some very sweet tea. Talk among yourselves.

Okay, I think I can continue, but I will have to type a little slower.

Messham says that the problem of 'mistaken identity' arose because police showed him a picture in the 1990s of the person that he said abused him and they told him that it was Lord McAlpine. Now he had seen a picture of Lord McAlpine 'in the last hour' and he realised that it is not the man in the picture that police showed to him in the 1990s.

This is where you have to take some deep breaths and sip some sweet tea. I do advise it, anyway.

You are being asked to believe that in the 15-20 years between Steve Messham allegedly being shown the picture of 'Lord McAlpine' by police and accusing him of sexually abusing him in an unbroadcast part of the interview with Newsnight that Messham has never once Googled 'Lord Alistair McAlpine' and seen the pictures of him widely available ever since he said he was abused??

That he never once sought out a picture of him of any kind in the decades since his time in the children's home until the police showed him one ‘in the last hour’?

That he didn’t know what McAlpine looked like even when he has been in the news only recently with comments about jailed Polly Peck businessman, Asil Nadir.

Steve … this is what comes up if you Google the words 'Lord Alistair McAlpine' - pictures widely available way before 'in the last hour' ...

Steve, mate, I am so sorry for what you went through, and what you are going through now, but for me bollocks is the only word in town.

Yet now the BBC is issuing 'unreserved apologies' to someone they didn't even name and the mainstream media is running around like headless chickens - 'don't panic, don't panic, it's all explained now, go back to sleep' - on the basis of such transparent BULL**** with regard to Steve Messham.
You know the most telling and relevant words written on this website in the last week? These ...

'If the real and full truth comes out about what really goes on away from the public eye it will bring down the British political establishment across all parties and make the monarchy history.'

That, in my view, is what Steve Messham’s sudden about-turn after decades is really about and the mainstream media may run, and much of the 'alternative' media may run, but I bloody won't.

Some of us are not chickens and our heads are still intact. Some of us will not go back to sleep because we were never asleep in the first place.

Is it only me that finds all this absolutely inexplicable?
I doubt it.
So who’s got the guts to say so?

http://80.87.129.146/headlines/75235-is-it-only-me

norman

10th November 2012, 12:15

So, does Messham get to have his "accident" before or after they hand over the millions they've put aside to fix this problem?

Earth Angel

10th November 2012, 16:21

poor guy, as if he hasn't suffered enough......hopefully people see through this BS, he didn't even name the guy and yet he has issued an apology for wrongly accusing him?? someone who was abused would NOT forget that mans face ever!!!

Cidersomerset

10th November 2012, 21:07

From the BBC webpage there are vids on the link............This should not
distract from the main scandel.........And is nothing to do with the main
accusations of Jimmy Savilles case !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20282942

10 November 2012 Last updated at 19:26

.BBC Newsnight: MPs urge speedy BBC responseJohn Whittingdale: "There's been a failure of management at every level"

The BBC has been urged by MPs to act quickly to restore confidence after a Newsnight report led to an ex-senior Tory being wrongly implicated in child sex abuse at Welsh children's homes.

Culture Secretary Maria Miller spoke of the need to restore "credibility" after the director general said the report should not have been broadcast.

George Entwistle has apologised unreservedly to Lord McAlpine.

He said he was only aware of the story after it was broadcast.

Shadow culture secretary Harriet Harman said there were "systemic problems" over the report.

And the Commons media committee chairman John Whittingdale said the BBC needed "to act very swiftly in order to try to restore some public confidence".

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This is the controversial news report......The story is still VERY important !!

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Cidersomerset

10th November 2012, 21:20

This is the full Channel 4 report.........

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Published on 6 Nov 2012 by PublicEnquiry

Tuesday 06 November 2012 - Channel 4 News
UK Photographs of Wales abuse 'were handed to police'
Exclusive: Steve Messham tells Channel 4 News he passed photographs of children being abused, including himself, to the police but they failed to act.
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The former Bryn Estyn care home resident also said the men who abused him as a teenager frequently threatened him, saying: "If you tell anyone, I'll have you killed."
He told Channel 4 News that he broke into the flat of one of his abusers to steal photographs of the abuse he endured, but that nothing was done after he handed them into the police.
Mr Messham was 16 when he allegedly entered the flat in Wrexham in 1979. "I broke in knowing he was away, and I found all these photographs and I handed them to the police - and out of that two people got prosecuted, and one got a caution and that was it.
"And what was on those pictures was unbelievable, it doesn't make sense. The police do admit there were pictures, but not to the extent I say .... crazy."
The photos captured lots of men raping boys, including the prominent Conservative figure he accuses of abusing him, Mr Messham alleges. He says he could see men's faces clearly, but the police said they could not identify the men from the pictures.
Home Secretary Theresa May on Thursday launched two separate inquiries into abuse in north Wales care homes. The director general of the National Crime Agency will investigate claims about sex offences against youngsters in the 1970s and 1980s, and review how previous inquiries were carried out by the police.
Mrs Justice Julia Wendy Macur will lead a separate review into the "scope and conduct" of the original Waterhouse inquiry into allegations of child abuse at north Wales care homes.
Mr Messham, who claims he was abused more than a dozen times by a Conservative figure and a wider circle of abusers including businessmen and police, told Channel 4 News: "They took photographs, very much so - loads of photographs.
"As I said, I broke into that flat and handed them to the police... (they took them) in the hotel room, in the flat itself they were taking photographs. They got their kicks out of it, whatever they were doing they got kicks off it. It's just a power thing."

'They remind you who they are'
He also says he was threatened by the abusers: "We always got threats. When they abuse you, they always remind you who they are. They always did that -- whether it was the prominent Tory member, or the staff in the homes... 'You tell anybody, you know what you're going to get. You tell anybody, I'll have you killed'. You're scared anyway, you're a kid, but they just scare you that little bit more.
"It's not during the act, it's after they'd finished with you...'Remember who I am'...There wasn't one who didn't threaten me afterwards."
In 1996 the Waterhouse Inquiry sat for 203 days and heard evidence from 650 people, with more than 80 people named as abusers - mainly care workers and teachers. There were 140 compensation claims settled on behalf of the victims and 72 recommendations were made.
However Mr Messham said that the inquiry failed to disclose a prominent child abuser at the time, because Sir Ronald Waterhouse ruled that making names public would be defamatory.

'Names will come out'
Speaking before his meeting with the Welsh secretary on Tuesday, Mr Messham said: "I could kill them. They wrecked my life. My life's not normal, never has been .... nightmares, sweats. I ended up in being in hospital for over three and a half years with it -- it's not good is it?
"I tried to give up several times, took several overdoses, slashed my wrists several times. What has kept me going is my daughter, without her I don't think I'd be here."
Mr Messham, who until now has not named his abusers, said he is hopeful that the inquiry will be successful, but added: "If I feel nothing's being done then names will come out".

Cidersomerset

10th November 2012, 22:15

The Widow of another victim confirms Steve Meesham story, that they were shown a photo and given the name Mc Alpine by North Wales Police !!

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Published on 10 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

The widow of another child abuse victim says her husband was also shown a photo and given the
name McAlpine in a sign of further mistakes in the case, and the BBC is under fire over the scandal.

Cidersomerset

10th November 2012, 22:24

Back to Mr.Saville....

THE GUARDIAN ONLINE...........

Jimmy Savile archive recordings handed to Met Police

Detectives investigating abuse claims receive nine reels of 'inappropriate' recordings from Savile's Travels Radio 1 show

Josh Halliday

guardian.co.uk, Friday 9 November 2012 17.45 GMT

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Jimmy Saville in his motor home in 1969. Police investigating claims of abuse have received nine reels of recordings from a show. Photograph: Mccarthy/Getty Images

Scotland Yard has been passed up to 45 archive recordings of a Jimmy Savile BBC radio show in which the late presenter can allegedly be heard behaving inappropriately with young girls.Detectives from the Metropolitan Police's Operation Yewtree investigation into sexual abuse by Savile and others were last week sent nine archive reels, containing up to five audio clips each, from the 1970s BBC Radio 1 show Savile's Travels.The clips were discovered by an archivist in Finland and could contain material that was never broadcast by the BBC.
The BBC has been unable to verify the authenticity of the recordings, three of which have been published online. At least one of the recordings was aired by Channel 4 News last month.In one clip available online, a girl can be heard telling Savile to "get off me" and "get off my backside" after the late presenter tells her to describe him as "the only one" in her life.

Darren Ingram, the archivist who uncovered the recordings, said there were "absolutely no smoking guns" in the clips, and added: "But there is certainly a background of inappropriate, misguided behaviour in front of a live microphone."I am sure Savile knew the old broadcasting maxim about treating every microphone as a live one, so there should be no scope for anyone to suggest that these were illicit recordings."

Savile's Travels aired on BBC Radio 1 from 1968 to 1973. It featured Savile travelling around the UK playing records as requested by guests on the show, some of whom were young boys and girls.The show was cancelled by the late Radio 1 controller Douglas Muggeridge in 1973 when Savile began presenting a new show, Jimmy Savile Top Ten Oldies.Last month, it emerged that Muggeridge was aware of allegations of inappropriate behaviour by Savile in 1973, when he asked the then-Radio 1 press officer Rodney Collins to find out whether newspapers planned to publish the claims. Savile's Travels was removed from the Radio 1 schedule later that year.Collins said on Friday: "I have no way of knowing for sure whether or not these recordings are genuine but I will say that this was Jimmy Savile's style on the Savile's Travels programme and this could have been the kind of material that did make it on air."I think it's fair to say that this programme was a one-off and certainly my office didn't have much information about it. For instance, we wouldn't be told in advance where the Savile team would be visiting to record material for the shows and that in itself was unusual as we did have such information for other programmes that regularly went on outside broadcasts – such as Pete Murray's Open House or Radio 1 Club."

A BBC spokesman said: "These recordings are a matter for the police to look into and they are also relevant to the Jimmy Savile review led by Dame Janet Smith. The BBC is fully cooperating with these inquiries and providing assistance wherever it can."Scotland Yard declined to comment on the Savile's Travels recordings.

The Met has identified about 300 alleged victims of sexual abuse by Savile and others, and is pursuing more than 400 lines of inquiry as part of Operation Yewtree.
The comedian Freddie Starr and former pop star Gary Glitter have been arrested and bailed by Operation Yewtree detectives investigating the allegations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/09/jimmy-savile-recordings-met-police

Cidersomerset

11th November 2012, 10:31

Scallywag magazine editor on how the Torys covered up paedophile ring that Jimmy Savile procured for .............

Sunday, 11 November 2012 10:44
D.Icke.com

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'In his letter, Simon documents Scallywag's investigation into the North Wales Child
Abuse scandal and the tragic cover-up by the Courts and the Establishment.

Whilst the Police stole the affidavits the abused children had made, naming their
high profile abusers, the notes of the interviews were kept by investigator Andrea
Davison only to be seized by the Derby and North Wales Police in January 2010.'

Read more...

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/scallywag-magazine-how-torys-cover-up.html

Cidersomerset

11th November 2012, 10:46

BBC WEBPAGE............................

11 November 2012 Last updated at 09:26

Man arrested over Jimmy Savile abuse claims Police believe Jimmy Savile could have abused 300 people
A man has been arrested in connection with the investigation into abuse claims made against Jimmy Savile.

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Officers working on Operation Yewtree arrested a man in his 70s from Cambridgeshire at 07:15 GMT.

A police spokesman said the man had been arrested on suspicion of sexual offences, and had been taken into police custody locally.He added the man was held as part of the criminal investigation into claims Savile sexually abused young people. Police believe the former BBC TV presenter and DJ, who died last year aged 84, could have abused as many as 300 people over a 40-year period.

A number of individuals are being investigated as part of the operation. These include people who allegedly carried out abuse with Savile as well as others who are suspected of abusing independently of Savile.Former pop star Gary Glitter was the first person to be arrested in connection with the Met's Savile abuse inquiry.Glitter, 68, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was arrested on suspicion of sexoffences and bailed until mid-December.

At the beginning of November police arrested entertainer Freddie Starr on suspicion of sexual offences.He was bailed after a number of hours of questioning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20286308

Cidersomerset

11th November 2012, 11:00

Pictures: Jimmy Savile's visit to disaster-hit Aberfan

By James McCarthy, WalesOnline
Nov 11 2012
Read more: Wales Online http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/11/11/pictures-jimmy-savile-s-visit-to-disaster-hit-aberfan-91466-32206362/#ixzz2BuUB4yq7

They lost brothers, sisters, friends and teachers in the rubble of the Aberfan disaster.But the excited youngsters jostled and smiled with excitement when they were introduced to Jimmy Savile.
No-one knew the sick truth about the paedophile DJ when he visited the temporary buildings put up to replace Pantglas Junior School.There is no suggestion the dead DJ abused anyone in our pictures.
But those who were there have been left horrified by the access he was granted.Savile visited in April 1967, just four months after their school was destroyed on October 21, 1966, when a colliery spoil
heap collapsed on the village, killing 116 classmates and 28 adults.Gaynor Madgwick lost her 10-year-old sister Maralyn Minett, and seven-year-old brother Carl. She was rescued from the wreckage
of the school with two broken legs and spent months in hospital before Savile’s visit.She said: “The girl that looks like she is reaching out to give him a notepad, that’s me.”
In fact the arm belongs to someone else in the picture.“But that girl is definitely me,” Gaynor said, adding: “One hundred per cent.”The 54-year-old, nine at the time the picture was taken for
The Western Mail, was able to identify friends from the school also present during the visit.“When I saw the pictures I told my sister, ‘You’re not going to believe this.’ She said, ‘Oh my God.
’”The revelations Jimmy Savile may have been one of the most prolific paedophiles of all time have left Gaynor disgusted.

Police believe Savile, who died last year aged 84, may have abused up to 300 people over a six-decade period and have described him as a “predatory paedophile”.
“When you look at the picture now, knowing what he has done, it makes your stomach turn,” Gaynor said. “He is like a fairy grandfather with all these children around him.
“And the expression on his face! It makes you sick.“But at that time everyone was unaware.”Solicitors confirmed this month they are planning to take legal action on behalf of 43 victims of Savile.
Lawyers Slater and Gordon is acting for 36 people who were aged from eight to 23 when they were abused.It has sent letters before action to the BBC, Leeds General Infirmary, Stoke Mandeville
and Broadmoor hospitals and the executors of Savile’s estate.Pannone is acting on behalf of seven people. It has written to the presenter’s estate and the BBC.One complaint was made to Gwent
Police against Leeds-born Savile.“He’s like someone in a sweet shop and he has got all these sweets,” Gaynor, who still lives in Aberfan, said.
“The only good thing is that we were in a place where we were protected.”Christine Williams recalled being sat at her desk during registration on the day of the disaster. The next minute she was
pushed “up against the wall” by tonnes of rubble as the school was crushed.Seeing the pictures of herself with Jimmy Savile was a shock.
The mum-of-two and grandmother-of-four said: “I do not remember that – bloody hell.“Nothing happened there, I would have remembered that.“This is a bit of a shock really, quite a shock.”

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The landlady laughed off suggestions from a customer at her Gordon Lenox Club that she was one of Savile’s “conquests” dubbing the drinker “a cow.”But she felt terrible for those who were
victims of the pervert Jim’ll Fix It presenter.“It’s disgusting really,” the 56-year-old said.“Who would ever have thought it?“That was in the pre-fab school but I have no memory of it at all.
“The access he had was too easy, much too easy. But we just didn’t know then.”After the disaster a lot of celebrities came to Wales.Christine said: “Friends said about him and I said,
‘I never saw him’ but obviously I did.“I just don’t remember it at all.”It was reported at the time how hundreds turned out to see Savile fulfil a promise “to entertain the kids”.
Bereaved parents braved “a steady drizzle” to see the DJ when he arrived in Aberfan Park.He was accompanied by brother Vincent – a fellow DJ who lived in Cardiff – and local politicians.
“Jimmy had to force his way through packs of autograph hunters to get to the temporary classrooms for the surviving youngsters,” the Western Mail said on Tuesday, April 11, 1967.
“Laughter is rarely heard in Aberfan as efforts are made to adjust to normality.“But Mr Savile, throwing formality to the winds, soon had the children laughing uncontrollably and the officials
and teachers who were present obviously had difficulty in covering up their mirth.“Judging by the shrieks of laughter at Aberfan Park yesterday, his visit had obviously been worthwhile.”

There is no suggestion the dead DJ abused anyone in these pictures.

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Cidersomerset

11th November 2012, 11:04

THE TELEGRAPH ON LINE ....

Jimmy Savile: police arrest third man over historic sex abuse allegations
Detectives investigating child abuse allegations in the wake of revelations about Sir Jimmy Savile today arrested a man in his 70s “on suspicion of sexual offences”.

By John-Paul Ford Rojas
10:20AM GMT 11 Nov 2012
The man, named on Twitter as former BBC producer Wilfred De’ath, becomes the third to be held as part of Operation Yewtree, the Metropolitan Police inquiry into the claims. He was arrested at 7.15 this morning in Cambridgeshire.

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Wilfred De’ath was a former producer of Savile’s on the BBC radio shoe Teen Scene

Officers have been contacted by hundreds of alleged victims since Savile’s crimes were exposed by an ITV documentary. They said that the scandal has uncovered child abuse on “an unprecedented scale”.
Scotland Yard said in a statement: “Officers working on Operation Yewtree have today, 11 November, arrested a man in his 70s in connection with the investigation.
“The man, from Cambridgeshire, was arrested at 0715 hrs on suspicion of sexual offences, and has been taken into police custody locally.”
Police did not confirm the name of the suspect.

They said the man fell into the category “others” in the three strands of the Yewtree probe, which consist of “Jimmy Savile”, “Savile and others” and “others”.

Mr De’ath was a former producer of Savile’s on the BBC radio shoe Teen Scene. He last month told ITV that he had challenged Savile over his behaviour after he spent a night with a 12-year-old girl in a hotel room.

He said: “I know for a fact that Jimmy spent a night in a rather squalid hotel with a girl who was at the most 12, or probably 10, and I said to him, ‘Jimmy you are living dangerously. Surely you must realise you're living dangerously?’

“All he said was, ‘Oh no no no. I’m much too valuable to the BBC for them to do anything to me.

“He didn’t think anything could happen. And nothing did happen. Nobody grassed on him in any way, although we all knew.”

The arrest is the third made in Operation Yewtree, following former pop star Gary Glitter – real name Paul Gadd – and comedian Freddie Starr.

Starr, 69, from Warwickshire, has consistently denied any involvement in the alleged abuse.

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Cidersomerset

11th November 2012, 12:35

MAIL ON LINE ............

'His eyes were cold... he behaved like a child who had been indulged': Former Dr Who Colin Baker's verdict on Savile after DJ's Tardis visit
Baker met Savile in the 1980s and filmed a Dr Who scene which appeared on Jim'll Fix It in 1985
Baker described Savile as 'patronising and 'self-congratulatory' on set

By Alex Ward

PUBLISHED:13:46, 9 November 2012| UPDATED:20:54, 9 November 2012

Former Dr Who Colin Baker claims Jimmy Savile behaved like an overindulged child who lacked professional respect.

Baker, 69, worked with Savile on a specially written Dr Who scene which aired on Jim’ll Fix It in 1985.

The scene had been set up after young boy Gareth Jenkins wrote to Savile asking if he could help him meet Dr Who and travel in the Tardis, the doctor’s famous time machine.

Baker, who played the doctor from 1984 to 1986, said: ‘I met Jimmy Savile briefly in the 1980s when I was working on Dr Who. A young man had written asking if he could “fix it” for him to meet the Doctor and travel in the Tardis.

‘After the lad had saved the day and the Sontarans had been “fixed”, Savile entered the set and did his usual self-congratulatory shtick.

‘I didn’t warm to him. His demeanour was neither friendly, nor inclusive. He behaved much as one might expect a child to behave who had been indulged and led to believe that life revolved around them.

‘There was certainly none of the professional respect that one would expect to be shared when two programmes combine for a special purpose. Even though we were on the Tardis set, it was very much his territory and his agenda.’

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Big difference: Savile kisses Fielding's hand in the scene in which Baker described him as 'creepy and 'patronising' but said that there was a big difference between that and suspecting him of a sexual predator

The other actors and I had worked hard over a couple of days to create a relaxed atmosphere, but the first and only time he saw Savile was when he came on the set when the cameras were rolling.

‘His eyes were cold and his demeanour patronising. I recall clearly the disappointment I felt for the young boy for whom I suspect the whole experience was daunting and overwhelming.

‘At least it was I who got to put the Jim’ll Fix It medallion around his neck.’

Speaking on the mounting abuse allegations recently made against Savile, Baker said: ‘There is of course a huge difference between finding someone creepy and patronising and suspecting them of being a sexual predator.

‘I only hope that the BBC’s failure to investigate him does not tarnish, in the eyes of the world, an organisation that has rightly been regarded as a bastion of honest and honourable broadcasting for decades.

‘There may have been individuals who could or should have been braver in confronting the unpleasant possibility of his depravity when rumours and accusations surfaced, but that is evidently also true of the hospitals and mental institutions that trusted him to the extent that he had his own set of keys for Broadmoor with living quarters on the site and a bedroom at Stoke Mandeville Hospital.

‘A picture is emerging of a man unusually adept at manipulation and concealment. Identifying willing co-conspirators and abusers is much more important than demonising the bamboozled who may have thought their suspicions so far off the scale of decent human behaviour as to be unbelievable.’

Janet Fielding also starred in the scene where Dr Who accidentally teleports himself and companion Tegan Jovanka (Fielding) in the tardis before unintentionally beaming ‘earthling’ Gareth Jenkins (playing himself). Two evil Sontarans are also onboard the time machine but Gareth kills them.

Savile appears and presents Gareth with a 'Jim fixed it for me' medal and a ‘Mezon gun’ used by the Sontarans.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2230497/Colin-Bakers-verdict-Jimmy-Savile-His-eyes-cold-behaved-like-child-indulged.html#ixzz2BuvT3EqA
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Cidersomerset

12th November 2012, 18:07

The Events at the BBC has been a total farce, but more for the deflection from the
main investigation into child peodiphelia cases that they managed to overshadow.

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Crisis at the BBC: Timeline of events

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George Entwistle said it was "the honourable thing to do" to resign
The BBC's director general George Entwistle has resigned over a
chain of events culminating in a report on child abuse going out on
Newsnight which led to Conservative peer Lord McAlpine being
mistakenly implicated.

In the wake of Mr Entwistle's resignation, further temporary change
have been made in order to "clarify" the chain of editorial command.

Find out how the crisis at the BBC has developed.

Read More.....vids on link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20286848

steveofengland

12th November 2012, 21:22

Cidersomerset

12th November 2012, 21:53

So let me get something straight. Steven Mecham was taken from a carehome in Wales, hotels in various towns and cities. And (I've heard him on BBC radio 2 with my own ears) actually said he was abused by a high ranking conservative of the Thatcher era. But due to a gagging order neither him nor anyone in British media were allowed to disclose the name (Ken Clarke)

The BBC's newsnight was going to out the name, but were prevented. Now according to the BBC, the information is not correct and does not involve any conservative from the Thatcher era.

How can Steven be silenced so easily? How stupid do people have to be to believe this cover up of gargantuan proportions??

I think the buck will stop at saville, the rest will be burried.

From what i understand from the Steve Meecham incident is he and others were raped multiple times . Steve stole aprox 80 photos from
the house of one of his attackers and gave them to the police. Steve said they did not believe him and were more concerned he had committed
a burglary. At some point he was shown other photos and the police put the name Mc Alpine by it. Its this the BBC reported on without
showing Steve a photo of Lord Mc Alpine to corroberate his story.....In the BBC piece which I have posted on here and the other thread.
( worth watching) no mention of the name Lord Mc alpine was mentioned.

Lord MC Alpine realising that his name was already in other media decided it was time to put his side of the case and plead innocence.
That kicked off all the hoo ha on the BBC.

Sir Phillip Morrison has been named as the senior Tory MP that is linked to the north wales case.I have not heard about Kenneth Clark officially.

The whole thing has been losing focus on the hundreds maybe thousands of victims of the several cases known. Steve Meeshams case is
more detailed than I said above and there are several interviews with him earlier in the thread.

But the big worrry is of another establishment cover up...This is the first time the web has been so active in these cases...

Thats why another worry is they may use it to try to regulate the web as well !!

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Steve talking about the photos here.............

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Theres a lot of info on the thread but this also corroborates Steves story....
that evidence was covered up including a senior public figure in the then
government !

norman

12th November 2012, 22:29

..........I think the buck will stop at saville, the rest will be burried.

If not buried, parked!

It's a natural inclination, knowing what anyone with a brain knows, to go looking for higher levels of responsibility behind the behavior and tolerance of that behavior of a weirdo 60s 70s jerk DJ who crossed the Rubicon of the FAB phenomenon. In those days everyone, including the 'elite', were dabbling and experimenting with a whole new social scene.

Saville has claimed he was a close mate with the royals. He's stated that the BBC were effectively in his pocket, but that's really only his own delusions at work, all part of that competition between his various compartmentalized selves ( a close match with what we know about Monarch/super soldier/Manchurian individuals - not that I'm saying he was a product of such a program )

Anyone at that level who knew or encountered Jimmy Saville, once they'd got over their initial chuckle at his silliness es, would have responded in any of three ways.

1) Ignore him and put space between him and themselves.

2) Tolerate him reluctantly so as to not upset the gravy train they were also enjoying a fun ride on.

3) Use or exploit the diverse access and attention focusing magic of his that extended most deeply into the social world of the most clueless and disposable areas of British society. Something in the homeland almost as royally piss taking as walking away from Canadian native Indian schools with children who were never seen or heard from again.

So, what have we had so far?

A TV documentary that claims he messed with girls too young to be responsible for what they did with him etc. Then a media response like something I've not seen since the media clenched it's buttocks and hinted as stiffly as it could about the Jeremy Thorpe debacle, something we never got to hear the full story about. Thorpe's 'lover' was killed, probably, because he was going to tell the truth about someone or people far more powerful than Thorpe himself.

Now they've spun the story right away from anyone with the real guilt to cover and parked it right at the foot of the national voice, the BBC. We are getting wall to wall shock-drama that's about as on target as blaming JFK for killing Oswald.

Do I sense a secondary agenda here? Yes I do. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Kill two birds with one stone etc etc.

The BBC only exists because those in power in Britain find it very useful. That has always been the case. It would have been dropped a long time ago ( certainly during the Thatcher era ) if it wasn't a key asset for the powerful crooks in charge.

We now have this bizarre situation where what started out as a child procurer for the demented darkness power getting post humously outed ( suspect, in itself ) for his 'liberties' that he claimed as his freebies. Then the story quickly gets twisted and split into ( so far ) 2 distinctly distractionary thrills of shame.

There are so many ways I could go from here and I'll bet most readers will already know what I mean. So I'll stick to the basic and keep it short.

1) the whole issue has been smartly diverted away from the people who have the most to loose if this was to stay real and revolutionary.

2) When the BBC has had it's bottom well and truly spanked, there will be a fresh media climate afoot that will hasten the clampdown on ALL media.

Let's face it folks. We've just had the world's most 'respected' media organization pulled up before the headmaster for a good caning. Being the BBC media corporation that it is, we are going to hear it crying all the way back down the school corridor to the media studies class it was grabbed from. Don't be too surprised if it grabs the most ridiculously feeble excuses to actually drop it's pants and display the throbbing red marks on it's arse.

Where do you think the 'media' 'discussion' will go from there folks?

Answers on a post card please, to Norman Davies, care of, compound 1, Intel ordinance, Britland Escapeway, FKU.

Cidersomerset

12th November 2012, 22:58

I just saw this article in the spectator, he is making a comparison with 7/7

( I agree from the point of a cover up ! ) not quite the point he is making

but interresting all the same !!

THE SPECTATOR...

The paedophile equivalent of 7/7

10 Comments Martin Bright12 November 2012 15:45

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Jimmy Savile OBE, the BBC's licensed paedophile, in 1972. Image: Getty

I was looking through an old contacts book the other day (something that sad ageing hacks find themselves doing) and found that a number of people I used to call are now in prison.

There was old Abu Qatada’s mobile number: I’d interviewed him in 1999 for The Observer when he was first named as a terror suspect. He outlined then what became the standard line for Islamist apologists:

‘Why do we hate America, why are we enemies of America? This is a question that should be addressed to America. Islam is the enemy, you say it, the West says it. And by America’s action it made us the enemy.’

Man of God or Man of Violence, we wondered and it seems the British justice system is having difficulty deciding too.

In the same book is a number for Abu Hamza, who has just lost his fight against deportation to the United States, the classic Bond-villain and a gift to any journalist. I’d first written about him in January 1999, when he was named as part of a plot to kidnap tourists in Yemen and bomb British targets. Omar Bakri Mohammed, the ‘Tottenham Ayatollah’ is in there too, but then everyone had his telephone number.

Looking at these names made me think how long it was before any of us took the problem of British-based Islamic extremism seriously. At the time, the intelligence services were famously briefing that Abu Hamza and Bakri Mohammed were ‘clowns’. But to be fair, those of us who heard the blood-curdling tales of jihadi training camps direct from the clowns themselves were pretty sceptical. How wrong we all were. In the end liberal Britain just didn’t know what to do with dissidents from the extreme right of the political spectrum.

In the same book is a number for Steven Messham, the man forced to apologise to Lord McAlpine for falsely naming him as his abuser. I’d talked to him about the North Wales child abuse inquiry and his concern that the full story had not been told. His anger was understandable then. How much deeper it must have taken root over the course of a decade. This terribly damaged man did the right thing to apologise. But the abuse that went on was real enough.

I also found contact details for Operation Nevada, the police investigation into abuse at Lancashire children’s homes, one of over 20 inquiries into institutionalised child abuse across the country.

Soon after I stopped using this contacts book, the first stories emerged about Wonderland, the American-based paedophile web network that uncovered abusers across the world, including hundreds in Britain. At first when police talked of tens of thousands of images being found on suspects’ computers it was hard to credit. When detectives from Operation Ore swooped the scale of the abuse was quite simply staggering.

Then last month I found myself at a school reunion with an old friend, who had spent time with his siblings in a Bristol children’s home. He was one of the care system’s success stories who’d gone on to win a place at Oxford to read French and German. He was still in shock from the Savile story because the BBC’s licensed paedophile was a regular visitor to his home. ‘I just thought he was raising money for us.’ We now know that the reality is that Savile toured the country praying on vulnerable children.

By revisiting my contacts book I am struck by the similarities between these two sets of stories. In both cases we didn’t want to believe the truth until it was too late because the reality was too horrible to countenance. I wondered how long it would take for people to wake up to the scale of child abuse in this country. Jimmy Savile has provided us with the paedophile equivalent of 7/7.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/martin-bright/2012/11/the-paedophile-equivalent-of-77/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-paedophile-equivalent-of-77

Cidersomerset

12th November 2012, 23:11

This is a story I saw earlier on Davids site and it thinks all this is to discredit
Steve Meesham as a witness....

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Schofield, the decoy witchhunt and the black arts of spin

Monday, 12 November 2012 11:08

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'At 9.51pm on Wednesday, an email popped into my inbox from an individual I had never encountered. No introduction, no pleasantries, no context, and no frame of reference, except the line in the subject box: “Newsnight & the guilty men”. The tone was brusque, abusive and could even be construed as threatening, and it was an attempt to steer me off any further reporting of the online naming of the figure or figures at the heart of the abuse scandal.

And it came from a producer at the BBC. Why would someone in such a post at the institution which occupies such a central role in the Jimmy Savile story, try to persuade me that abuse survivor Steven Messham’s testimony was “unreliable”, and that he was a “damaged individual”? Newsnight certainly didn’t feel that way, and as we have learned this week, a deluge of formerly concealed corroboration of systematic abuse claims similar to Messham’s has come to light.

And last night, a former Clwyd council worker revealed revealed a list of 56 alleged abusers whose identities were protected by the Waterhouse report, 30 of whom were never spoken to by the police. Three, it is claimed, were recognisable names in authority at the time.'

Read more ...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75287-schofield-the-decoy-witchhunt-and-the-black-arts-of-spin

norman

12th November 2012, 23:20

7/7 provided us with the equivalent of the bad lad next door who wants your sister for a sex slave and wants you dead before you inherit the house he's looking at knocking into one with the one he thinks he's going to inherit.

norman

12th November 2012, 23:28

Chris Patten (Lord)

[ extract from Wikipedia )

Governor of Hong Kong

If Patten had been re-elected in 1992, sections of the media thought he would have been rewarded by appointment as Foreign Secretary, although in his autobiography John Major said that he would have made Patten Chancellor of the Exchequer. However, in the three weeks leading up to the election, many party insiders sensed that Patten would lose his seat, and Major was considering a patronage appointment.

Patten turned down offers of a new seat and instead, in July 1992, he became the 28th and the last Governor of Hong Kong until its handover to the People's Republic of China on 30 June 1997. He was given an official Chinese name, Pang Ding-hong (Chinese: 彭定康), a name with an etymology based on the words "stability" and "health". Unlike most previous Hong Kong Governors, he was not a career diplomat from the UK Foreign Office but a politician. However, he was not the first former MP to become a Governor of Hong Kong: that was Sir John Bowring (Governor of Hong Kong 1854–1859). Also, Sir John Pope Hennessy (Governor of Hong Kong 1877–1882), was a Conservative MP before he entered Colonial Service.

Patten's tenure faced several different challenges, as many in Hong Kong were still reeling from the Tiananmen Square Massacre a few years earlier, while others were suspicious of whether or not the British would act in their best interest.[citation needed] However the general opinion regarded him positively. He took steps to get in touch with the people of the colony, and was known for his penchant for taking public strolls around Hong Kong as well as in the media limelight. Hong Kong affectionately nicknamed him Fat Pang (Chinese: 肥彭), making him the only governor to have a widely recognised Chinese nickname.[6] Patten was also the first British Governor of the colony not to wear the official Windsor uniform (also known as the Court uniform).

Patten's most controversial actions are related to the election of the Hong Kong Legislative Council. Legco members returned in 1995 were originally to serve beyond the handover, thereby providing institutional continuity across the reversion of Hong Kong to the PRC. Beijing had expected that the use of functional constituencies with limited electorates would be used to elect this council, however Patten extended the definition of functional constituencies and thus virtually every Hong Kong subject was able to vote for the so-called indirectly elected members (see Politics of Hong Kong) of the Legislative Council.

His measure was strongly criticised by the pro-Beijing political parties of Hong Kong, which would suffer from the electoral changes[citation needed]. Patten was also denounced by some Chinese media as the 'whore of the East,' a 'serpent' and a 'wrongdoer who would be condemned for a thousand generations' (Chinese: 千古罪人).[7] The legislative council which was elected under Patten's governorship was dissolved upon the handover of Hong Kong to the PRC and replaced by a Provisional Legislative Council (Chinese: 臨時立法會) which functioned until elections were held under the previous rules in 1998.

However, Patten's institutional reform gained unprecedented support in Hong Kong and the criticism from the PRC government raised his popularity to a level he had not previously enjoyed in the UK; he was widely seen as standing up for the colony's rights[citation needed]. Notwithstanding the electoral controversy, even some of his critics admired his eloquence and praised his efforts to raise the level of debate in the colony. .

At 00:00 HKT 1 July 1997 (16:00 GMT, 30 June 1997), he sent the following telegram:

I have relinquished the administration of this government. God Save The Queen. Patten.

This marked the end of British rule in Hong Kong and after the handover ceremony he left the city, together with Prince Charles, on board the British royal yacht, HMY Britannia. Patten was noted to be in tears after his speech at the Transfer of sovereignty over Hong Kong in 1997.[8]

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He's got a track record for handing it all over to the globalist agenda, alright.

Now he's the governor of the Beeb,

Gardener

13th November 2012, 17:19

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-11-13/jimmy-savile-engineered-tv-formats-to-gain-access-to-children-says-exposure-presenter

Detective-turned-journalist Mark Williams-Thomas believes Savile "created his television series as a vehicle for his offending" Well yea!!
But he also had this to say...

I think there will be further arrests over the forthcoming days, weeks and months of people who were party to offending alongside Savile,” he said. “There will also be arrests of people who have got nothing to do with Savile, some of whom will be of very significant standing.” (empasis mine)

Exposure Update will air on ITV1 at 10:35pm on Wednesday 21 November. Read the full interview with Mark Williams-Thomas in the new issue of Radio Times.

Norman...
He's got a track record for handing it all over to the globalist agenda, alright.

Now he's the governor of the Beeb,
And a sell off to those who really want to get their hands on it. My guess is on an agenda of privatisation. ;Problem reaction solution' as DI says.

Cidersomerset

14th November 2012, 15:09

The Original Scallywag Magazine Allegations Against top tories in the 1990s
Wednesday, 14 November 2012 12:15

By David Icke

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75444-the-original-scallywag-magazine-allegations-against-lord-mcalpine-and-derek-laud-in-the-1990s

click on link below to get bigger image ,,,,,

http://scallywagmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/scallywag-magazine-article-on-lord.html#!/2012/11/scallywag-magazine-article-on-lord.html

Cidersomerset

14th November 2012, 15:22

Sir Cyril Smith MP: Child Abuse Allegations Resurface As Victims At Rochdale Hostel Come Forward
Wednesday, 14 November 2012 12:01

By David Icke

Mainstream media when will you listen? The present bollocks with the Conservative Party is a monumental cover-up of widespread paedophilia throughout the British - and world - political and corporate system.

Can't you see the bloody obvious?

IT'S A COVER-UP.

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Sir Cyril Smith: Child Abuse Allegations Resurface As Victims At Rochdale Hostel Come Forward

The Huffington Post UK | By Jessica Elgot Posted: 13/11/2012 13:07 GMT Updated: 13/11/2012 13:35 GMT

'Larger-than-life' Lib Dem MP Sir Cyril Smith is the latest public figure to be accused of routinely molesting young boys, with Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk set to demand an inquiry into the claims.Former residents at a boys hostel in Rochdale alleged in an investigation by PoliticsHome that they had been subjected to "medicals" where they had their buttocks and testicles stroked, and their bare bottoms slapped by Smith, during the 190s.The former Liberal MP for Rochdale, who weighed 29-stone at his heaviest, had been subject to rumours about abuse at the Cambridge House hostel for many years, but Danczuk, the current Labour MP in Rochdale, is to raise the abuse claims during a child sexual exploitation debate in the commons on Tuesday, and call for the police files on Smith from the 1970s to be released.

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Sir Cyril Smith: The Lib Dem MP has been accused of inappropriate conduct with young boysSir Cyril died in 2010, and was widely praised by his peers, with Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg calling him "a larger-than-life character and one of the most recognisable and likeable politicians of his day.”

PoliticsHome interviewed Barry Fitton and Eddie Shorrock, who were 15 and 17 at the time, both who allege were given intrusive "medicals" by Smith, a local councillor at the time and one of the founders of the hostel, where most boys were from disadvantages backgrounds, abuse victims or on probation.Complaints were made to police during the 1960s, and Lancashire Police interviewed Smith, who denied the claims. The force allegedly sent the files to the Director of Public Prosecutions, but Smith was later told the case was dropped, according to PoliticsHome.No follow-up action was taken, apart from by the newspaper Rochdale Alternative Press, which printed anonymous claims in 1979. Private Eye has also repeated the claims for decades.Smith issued a writ against the Rochdale paper, but never sued.

A spokesman for Lancashire police told The Huffington Post UK no new complaints or allegations had been made to them since the matter resurfaced, and that no records were no held as to whether the file was passed to the DPP.Fitton told PoliticsHome.com about one 'medical' he alleges to have received, saying: "He told me to take my trousers and pants down. He felt my thighs and testicles from both front and back. He held my testicles and asked me to cough.”“There are still people in Rochdale who don’t believe that Cyril Smith was capable of doing these things. I think it should be brought out in to the open not just for my peace of mind but for other people’s peace of mind."Rochdale council leader Colin Lambert has also called for the matter to be looked at again, telling the Manchester Evening News: “The rumours need either to be confirmed or squashed and people need to go to the police.“If there are victims out there in the community they need to give that information to the police so that can be re-investigated.”Rochdale hit the headlines earlier this year when a sex-trafficking gang was exposed as preying on underage teenage girls in the area, and the men involved were convicted in May.

SEE ALSO

Rochdale Grooming Trial: Child Sex Gang Leader Revealed

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Cidersomerset

14th November 2012, 15:52

November 2012 Last updated at 20:08

Rochdale MP calls for Cyril Smith 'indecent assault' inquiry Sir Cyril Smith was the Liberal MP for Rochdale from 1972 to 1992 Continue reading the main story

The MP for Rochdale has called for a "full investigation" into allegations that SirCyril Smith, the town's former MP, indecently assaulted boys in care.Simon Danczuk said claims against the late MP had "circulated for years".Lancashire Police said an investigation was "believed" to have taken place in the 1960s, but "no records are held".Speaking in Parliament, Mr Danczuk said police "should consider reopening the case". Sir Cyril's brother said the late MP had denied the allegations.Three former residents of the home made sworn statements to a solicitor alleging Sir Cyril, a senior Labour councillor at the time, spanked and inappropriately touched them during the 1960s.

Barry Fitton, who first made an allegation of being abused by Sir Cyril in a signed affidavit in 1979, said he welcomed the call for a new investigation.
Mr Fitton, who waived his right to anonymity, said he had "kept looking at the news over the past few weeks when there were all these stories about child abuse [and] kept wondering if Cyril Smith would be mentioned"."I'm really glad that someone now wants it all reopened - it's about time," he said.During a debate, Labour MP Mr Danczuk said the alleged victims had been "young boys who were humiliated, terrified and reduced to quivering wrecks by a 29 stone bully imposing himself on them".

'No records'

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Mr Danczuk said the allegations made by "the victims are quite clear"

Manchester-based solicitors Pannone confirmed it was currently dealing with an allegation of abuse against Sir Cyril, who died in 2010, and Mr Danczuk said he had been approached by a man "angry and upset about how Cyril Smith treated him".
Both the Lancashire police force, which had jurisdiction over Rochdale at the time, and the Greater Manchester force said they had received no new allegations.

A spokesman for the Lancashire force said they "believe there was an investigation in the late 1960s, but as no records are now held, it cannot be ascertained whether a file was passed to the Director of Public Prosecutions". A spokesman for the Director of Public Prosecutions said the office had "no record of any files on Cyril Smith" but added any that existed could have been destroyed.Sir Cyril, who was knighted in 1988, was the Liberal MP for Rochdale from 1972 to 1992.His brother Norman Smith said the resurfacing of the allegations has been "very painful".
'Malicious rumours'"Lancashire Police said there was no case to answer and he denied it to me."Anybody that raises things when a man's dead, to be blunt I think they're cowards."[Simon Danczuk] is only raising it because he's Labour and Cyril was a Liberal, so he's getting at the Liberal party really."

Paul Rowen, Rochdale's Liberal Democrat MP until the 2010 election, said: "What should happen in my view is that if Simon [Danczuk] has any evidence it should be presented to police and anybody else who claims to have evidence, that's the proper course."Rochdale's in the midst of the worst child grooming cases that we have had for a generation."If the current MP for Rochdale is doing anything, he should be doing something about the systematic failure of safeguarding and protection of young people now and not bothering about malicious rumours that were made 50 years ago."Nine men from Rochdale and Oldham were jailed in May for running a child sexual exploitation ring and Rochdale Borough Council was criticised for failing to protect girls in care.Mr Danczuk said the "culture of cover-up stretches back much further than the recent grooming scandal and extends right to the heart of our political establishment"."If we're to make sure victims of child abuse are sufficiently empowered to claw back some of the dignity that's been taken from them then we need to be open about a widespread abuse of power in our borough."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20303606

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 09:35

15 November 2012 Last updated at 09:22

BBC crisis: Lord McAlpine 'angry' over abuse claim

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Brief interview with Lord Mc Alpine on vid on link below....

Tory peer Lord McAlpine has spoken of his anger after a BBC Newsnight report led to him being wrongly implicated in child abuse allegations. The former Conservative party treasurer
told BBC Radio 4's The World at One he should have been contacted beforehand.He said about being wrongly under suspicion: "You just think there's something wrong with the world."
Some of those involved in deciding to run the report on care homes in north Wales face disciplinary measures

Some of those involved in deciding to run the report on care homes in north Wales face disciplinary measures.Although Lord McAlpine was not named by Newsnight, the report led to a flood
of accusations about him on the internet.The BBC, which has apologised "unreservedly" for the report, said it hoped to reach a "conclusion" of the matter later on Thursday.
'Extremely bad'Speaking to the World at One, in an interview to be broadcast in full on Thursday, Lord McAlpine said he had been "in a state of shock" after he heard of the allegations.
"I couldn't understand. You see, I was in southern Italy - I don't have television, I don't get newspapers, we don't have the internet. To suddenly find I was mixed up in all this - and I didn't know
what Newsnight was going to say - it really was a horrendous shock."Of course they [the BBC] should have called me and I would have told them exactly what they learnt later on."
He continued: "That it was complete rubbish and that I'd only ever been to Wrexham once in my life. They could have saved themselves a lot of agonising and money, actually, if they'd just made t
hat telephone call."The peer was asked about London Mayor Boris Johnson's comment that to call someone a paedophile was to "consign them to the lowest circle of hell - and while they're still alive".

He replied: "Absolutely. I think it describes pretty much what happened to me in the first few days of this event."It gets into your bones ...it makes you angry. And that's extremely bad for you to
be angry. And it gets into your soul and you just think there's something wrong with the world."Lord McAlpine's solicitor Andrew Reid said he was hopeful an agreement would be reached with the
BBC on Thursday, but said his client was aware that any payment would ultimately come from licence fee payers.The statement from the BBC said: "We share Lord McAlpine's view and we hope to reach
a conclusion today."Mr Reid appealed to all those who had named Lord McAlpine on the social media site Twitter to come forward. He said some prominent people had already apologised, but others had
not.He told the World at One: "What we're basically saying to people is, look, we know - in inverted commas - who you are, we know exactly the extent of what you've done. And it's easier to come
forward and see us and apologise and arrange to settle with us because, in the long run, this is the cheapest and best way to bring this matter to an end."

Acting director general Tim Davie, who took charge of the BBC following the resignation of George Entwistle in the wake of the Newsnight broadcast, has vowed to "get a grip of the situation".
An inquiry into the Newsnight broadcast - conducted by Ken MacQuarrie, director of BBC Scotland - has identified "unacceptable" failings and said basic journalistic checks were not completed.
A summary of the findings was released by the corporation, which said the full report would be issued after the completion of disciplinary proceedings.The summary concluded "there was a
different understanding by the key parties about where the responsibility lay for the final editorial sign off for the story on the day".The head of BBC Northern Ireland, Peter Johnston, said he
had a role in the decision-making of the Newsnight report but was not considering his position.A BBC spokesman confirmed Mr Johnston's involvement "in decisions about the BBC Newsnight report".
Three Conservative MPs have called for funding to be withdrawn from the Bureau of Investigative Journalism (BIJ) which was involved in the Newsnight investigation.

The full interview with Lord McAlpine will be broadcast on the World at One on BBC Radio 4 from 13:00 GMT. Or listen again on iPlayer Radio.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20336037

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 10:10

WHAT MUST NOT BE FORGOT IN ALL THIS THERE IS STILL MASSIVE ABUSE AND MAJOR SCANDELLS GOING ON ALL OVER THE WORLD INVOLVING THE ABUSE OF CHILDREN & ADULTS !

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Sir Cyril Smith abuse claims: Blue plaque taken down

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Sir Cyril Smith was MP for Rochdale from 1972 to 1992

A blue plaque honouring the late Rochdale MP Sir Cyril Smith has been taken down following allegations that he indecently assaulted young boys.
The council said removing the plaque from Rochdale Town Hall was a "neutral act" to prevent vandalism.On Tuesday, Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk
called for a "full investigation" into allegations that Sir Cyril indecently assaulted boys in careSir Cyril's brother said the former MP had denied the
allegations.The plaque was unveiled last year by former Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell.

Councillor Colin Lambert (Labour), the leader of Rochdale Council, said: "This is not a judgement on either Sir Cyril Smith or anyone else."He added:
"We discussed this at a meeting last night and had decided to leave it up but we received information that it could be damaged overnight and took it
down because this would be a danger to the town hall."On Wednesday Barry Fitton, one of three alleged victims from a Rochdale care home, claimed t
hat the former MP smacked him and stroked his buttocks.

'Historic abuse'

Mr Danczuk (Labour) told the Commons that claims against the late MP had "circulated for years".Lancashire Police said an investigation was "believed"
to have taken place in the 1960s, but "no records are held".Mr Danczuk said police "should consider reopening the case".
Manchester-based solicitors Pannone confirmed they were currently dealing with an allegation of abuse against Sir Cyril, who died in 2010.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20337495

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 10:16

7:54am, Thu 15 Nov 2012Savile review witness plea
Jimmy Savile witnesses asked to 'come forward' for inquiry
Last updated Thu 15 Nov 2012UK
Jimmy Savile

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Dame Janet Smith, who is conducting an independent inquiry into the alleged sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile, has appealed for witnesses to come forward.

Writing on a website dedicated to the review, she said:

“
We know that in many cases, it will not be easy to come forward but the Review needs your support to fulfil its responsibilities.

Please do help us if you can.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-11-15/jimmy-savile-witnesses-asked-to-come-forward-for-inquiry/

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Dame Janet Smith. was on the Shipman enquiry, the worst known mass murderer in
British history

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Shipman inquiry criticises police

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Shipman killed at least 215 of his patients in Hyde and Todmorden

Three of Harold Shipman's victims could have been saved if police had investigated properly, the inquiry into Britain's worst serial killer has said.The two Greater Manchester Police detectives who investigated the doctor were inexperienced and unfit to handle the case, the inquiry found.

As a result they missed many opportunities to bring Shipman's crimes to light.

"If the police and the coroner had moved with reasonable expedition, the lives of Shipman's last three victims would probably have been saved," said Dame Janet Smith, the judge heading the inquiry

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3064231.stm

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 10:59

Child Sex Rings Reveal The Worst of the Power Elite

Thursday, 15 November 2012 11:01

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'When Fritz Springmeier and David Icke began talking 20 years ago about organized pedophile rings and mind-controlled sex slaves (often with overtly Satanic themes) within the highest levels of society, most readers met them with serious doubt or outright dismissal. We would be very unwise to dismiss their research now.

The Jimmy Savile scandal has taken center stage in bringing these revelations to a wider audience ... David Icke certainly has a different take on it. According to Icke, Savile "was the child-supplying fixer for the rich and famous in politics, entertainment and royalty" and can be linked to a massive child abuse scandal in North Wales.

Icke's 1998 book The Biggest Secret details a seemingly unbelievable number of prominent U.S. and UK political leaders who centrally figure into these scandals. Icke details how Savile is indicative not of a single evil person using their position of power to destroy innocence, but is indicative of an entire lifestyle embraced within the top echelons of society.'

Read more ...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75473-child-sex-rings-reveal-the-worst-of-the-power-elite-

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http://www.activistpost.com/2012/11/child-sex-rings-reveal-worst-of-power.html#more

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 11:07

Here we go again ... Sir Cyril Smith MP sex abuse dossier seized by MI5

Yet another attempted cover-up of Establishment paedophilia.

'Tony Robinson, a special branch officer with Lancashire Police in the 1970s, said he saw a police dossier which was “thick” with allegations from boys claiming they had been abused by Sir Cyril.

He said that after taking the file out of the safe at special branch headquarters in Hutton, Preston, he was contacted by an officer from MI5 who told him it needed to be sent to London.

Mr Robinson also disclosed that the then Director of Public Prosecutions had examined the allegations but decided they were “not in the public interest”.

He said: ”The police now say the file is lost. It seems like there was a complete cover up to me.”'

Spot on.

Read more ...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75473-child-sex-rings-reveal-the-worst-of-the-power-elite-

Sir Cyril Smith sex abuse dossier seized by MI5
A dossier of sexual abuse allegations against Sir Cyril Smith, the late Liberal Democrat MP, which
police claimed was "lost" was actually seized by MI5, according to a former special branch officer.

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By Steven Swinford
10:00PM GMT 14 Nov 2012
Tony Robinson, a special branch officer with Lancashire Police in the 1970s, said he saw a police
dossier which was “thick” with allegations from boys claiming they had been abused by Sir Cyril.
He said that after taking the file out of the safe at special branch headquarters in Hutton, Preston,
he was contacted by an officer from MI5 who told him it needed to be sent to London.
Mr Robinson also disclosed that the then Director of Public Prosecutions had examined the allegations
but decided they were “not in the public interest”. He said: ”The police now say the file is lost.
It seems like there was a complete cover up to me.” In 1974 the Conservatives invited the Liberals to
form a Coalition government in which Smith could have been appointed a minister.

According to Mr Robinson a copy of the report from Lancashire Police was passed to Special Branch,
which dealt with national security and intelligence. Mr Robinson, who had a previous interest in the
case, said he read Sir Cyril’s file. He said: “I looked through Sir Cyril’s file which was kept in a safe in our office.
“It was thick full of statements from young boys alleging abuse. It had been prepared for prosecution.
“Written across the top of it were the words: 'No further action, not in the public interest. DPP [Director of Public Prosecutions].’
“Shortly after taking it out I was called by an MI5 officer. They asked if I had the file on Mr Cyril Smith, and said:
'Please have this sent down to London.”

On Tuesday Simon Danczuk, the Labour MP for Smith’s former constituency in Rochdale, described him as a “29 stone bully” who
“imposed himself” on his victims whom he “humiliated and terrified”. Mr Danczuk said some alleged victims had only now come
forward in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal and it was time to find out “why was this allowed to happen”.
Smith’s brother, Norman, said he was “staggered” the MP was blackening the name of Sir Cyril, who died in 2010, adding that
the police found at the time that there was no case to answer. Barry Fitton, a former resident of the Cambridge House hostel in
Rochdale, told the website politicshome.com that when he was 15 Smith would make him strip, smacked his bare bottom and
then stroked his buttocks. On another occasion, Smith subjected him to a “medical” that involved him stroking his thighs and testicles.

Another former resident, Eddie Shorrock, who was 17, said Smith, who founded the hostel and had keys to its premises, also gave him a
“medical” whenever he took time off work. Mr Danczuk said a third victim, who wished to remain anonymous, had contacted him today
to describe the “abuse meted out by Sir Cyril”. Rumours about child abuse dogged Smith for much of his life, and appeared in a local
magazine and in Private Eye in 1979. Mr Danczuk, referring to the recent Rochdale grooming scandal, said:
“Attempts to suppress the truth are not new in Rochdale. “Sir Cyril Smith was a political giant in Rochdale but his career was continually
dogged by allegations that he had abused boys...these allegations must be properly investigated and the seriousness of the victims’
complaints must be acknowleged. “Young boys were humiliated, terrified and reduced to quivering wrecks by this 29-stone bully imposing himself on them.”

Mr Danczuk made the comments during a debate on child sexual exploitation. A CPS spokesperson said: “We cannot confirm at this stage whether the CPS,
or any previous DPP’s office, received a file of evidence in relation to Cyril Smith, but we are currently doing what we can to double check available records.”
A Lancashire Constabulary spokesman said they were not planning to investigate the matter as there are no current allegations pending.
He added: “We believe there was an investigation in the late 1960s but as no records are now held it cannot be ascertained whether a file was passed to t
he Director of Public Prosecutions. “These historic allegations date back more than 40 years and to a time when Rochdale was within the Lancashire Constabulary area.
“While we take matters such as this extremely seriously we have not received any further allegations and at this time there is no ongoing investigation in relation to this matter.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9678697/Sir-Cyril-Smith-sex-abuse-dossier-seized-by-MI5.html

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 12:41

I have posted these vids already.........but they are important and go with Davids article..

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15th November 2012

By David Icke

I'M CRAZY YOU SEE ...

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... SO I ASK 'CRAZY' QUESTIONS

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

Steve Messham said that the problem of 'mistaken identity' arose because police showed him a picture in the 1990s of the person that he said abused him and they told him that it was Lord McAlpine. Now they had shown him a picture of Lord McAlpine 'in the last hour' and he had realised that it is not the man in the picture that police showed to him in the 1990s.

We are being asked to believe that in the 15-20 years between Steve Messham allegedly being shown the picture of 'Lord McAlpine' by police and accusing him of sexually abusing him in an unbroadcast part of the interview with Newsnight that Messham has never once Googled 'Lord Alistair McAlpine' and seen the pictures of him widely available ever since he said he was abused??

Yet a few days before Messham came out with his sudden ‘mistaken identity’ apology, he had told Channel Four News that he had broken into the flat of an abuser in North Wales and taken away dozens of photographs of abusers raping boys, including himself, and some clearly showed the face, he said, of what he claimed was the ‘prominent Tory abuser’.

Was he talking in the Channel Four News interview about the same person that he later said he had mistakenly identified or someone else? We need clarity on this, Steve, because it’s all very confusing.

Further, he said that he not only had polaroid photographs of the ‘prominent Tory abuser’, but the man had told him who he was and how he would have him killed if he ever spoke out. This is his interview with Channel Four News about the photographs:

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Meesham said that he took the photographs to police and that although the faces of the abusers were clear to see the police said that they could not identify men in the pictures. Police now say that they can't comment on what happened to the images because of the new inquiry, but Meesham's story about the pictures is corroborated by Sian Griffiths, who worked in the inquiry office at Clwyd Council in the 1990s during the two inquiries into abuse at North Wales children’s homes.

These were the Jillings report, which was never published because the council was warned by insurers of possible legal action by those that the victims named, and the main Waterhouse inquiry which did not allow victims to name who they said were their famous abusers.

Sian Griffiths told Channel Four News that Steve Messham’s photographs of abuse were ordered to be destroyed. She said: ‘We were supplied with copies of court documents … there was an order made for the book of photos to be destroyed.' This is Sian's interview:

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Why would you order that photographs showing abusers should be destroyed?? I don't know about you, but I have this terrible putrid smell right under my nose. I can't think what it could be.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November20127/smellyfish.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75474-im-crazy-you-see-so-i-ask-crazy-questions

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This vid is not in Davids article, but helps sum up part of what is happening.

Child Abuse Cover Ups And Inquiries.

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Kiforall

15th November 2012, 13:27

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 13:28

15 November 2012 Last updated at 12:23

.Jimmy Savile inquiry: Met Police make fourth arrest

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Police believe Jimmy Savile could have abused the "vast majority" of 450 possible victims

Metropolitan Police detectives have arrested a man in his 60s as part of the police investigation set up in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.
The man, from Bedfordshire, was held on suspicion of sexual offences at 07:45 GMT - the fourth arrest in the probe.
Police have now identified about 450 potential victims of sexual abuse.

The Met said their inquiry into alleged abuse by Savile and others - Operation Yewtree - had so far recorded 200 allegations of sexual assault.
In a statement, it said the latest arrest "falls under the strand of the investigation we have termed 'Others'", meaning the allegations are unrelated to Savile.
But the force said that the "vast majority" of the 450 possible victims were alleging sexual abuse by former BBC TV presenter and DJ Savile, who died last
year aged 84.'Worse than feared' The number of potential victims has risen since last month, when police said they had identified about 300 people who say
they were abused by Savile and others.BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said: "The police said a couple of weeks ago that Savile was a predatory
sex offender - one of the worst sex offenders that they had come across."The figures that we are being given today suggest that the scale of his offending is
even worse than was first feared."Savile, a Radio 1 DJ and presenter of the Jim'll Fix It show on BBC1, was a household name in the 1970s and 1980s.

But since his death last year details have emerged suggesting he was a paedophile who abused young people on BBC premises, in various care homes and
even in Broadmoor psychiatric hospital, over a 40-year period.Former pop star Gary Glitter was the first person to be arrested in connection with the Met's
Savile abuse inquiry.Glitter, 68, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was arrested on suspicion of sex offences and bailed until mid-December.On 1 November police
arrested entertainer Freddie Starr on suspicion of sexual offences.He has denied claims made against him and was bailed after a number of hours of questioning.
On Sunday, former BBC producer Wilfred De'Ath, who is in his 70s, was arrested on suspicion of sexual offences. He was later bailed until December.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 13:41

If Lord McAlpine wants to prove his innocence in this scandal rather than ranting, why doesn't he support the cause and name and shame his associates who I'm sure he will be aware of.

Lets see what side of the fence he is truly on.

The BBC and Good morning items have 'muddied' the waters by insinuating but not naming Lord Mc Alpine . I don't understand the 'melt down' at the BBC when you listen to the
newsnight item. Yes they should have shown Steve Meesham a photo of Lord Mc Alpine to confirm they were talking about the same man. Also contacted Lord Mc Alpine for comment
on the accusations. If that is who they were refering, but the whole item was highlighting very important issues of abuse !

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I've just watched it again, two witness's say they were raped by a senior public
figure in the 'Tory' party from the Thatcher years !!

No mention of Lord Mc Alpine at all !!

Gardener

15th November 2012, 14:46

Next new arrest

Former Radio 1 DJ Dave Lee Travis has been arrested as part of the police probe set up in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal, the BBC understands.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 14:56

Next new arrest

Former Radio 1 DJ Dave Lee Travis has been arrested as part of the police probe

WOW ! this is what the article in post #228 refers to !!

15 November 2012 Last updated at 14:09

.Dave Lee Travis arrested on suspicion of sexual offences

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Dave Lee Travis arrested on suspicion of sexual offences Dave Lee Travis is best known for his 25-year stint on Radio 1

Former Radio 1 DJ Dave Lee Travis has been arrested as part of the police probe set up in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal, the BBC understands.Police said a man in his 60s from Bedfordshire was being held on suspicion of sexual offences.The Met said their investigation into alleged abuse by Savile and others - Operation Yewtree - had so far recorded 200 allegations of sexual assault.They have now identified about 450 potential victims of sexual abuse.The arrest of Mr Travis, 67, is the fourth so far in connection with the Savile investigation.

In a statement, the Met said the latest arrest "falls under the strand of the investigation we have termed 'Others'", meaning the allegations are unrelated to Savile.But the force said that the "vast majority" of the 450 possible victims were alleging sexual abuse by former BBC TV presenter and DJ Savile, who died last year aged 84.'Worse than feared'The number of potential victims has risen since last month, when police said they had identified about 300 people who say they were abused by Savile and others.BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said: "The police said a couple of weeks ago that Savile was a predatory sex offender - one of the worst sex offenders that they had come across.

"The figures that we are being given today suggest that the scale of his offending is even worse than was first feared."Savile, a Radio 1 DJ and presenter of the Jim'll Fix It show on BBC1, was a household name in the 1970s and 1980s. But since his death last year details have emerged suggesting he was a paedophile who abused young people on BBC premises, in various care homes and even in Broadmoor psychiatric hospital, over a 40-year period.Former pop star Gary Glitter was the first person to be arrested in connection with the Met's Savile abuse inquiry.Glitter, 68, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was arrested on suspicion of sex offences and bailed until mid-December.On 1 November police arrested entertainer Freddie Starr on suspicion of sexual offences.

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Reporters outside Mr Travis's home earlier

He has denied claims made against him and was bailed after a number of hours of questioning.On Sunday, former BBC producer Wilfred De'Ath, who is in his 70s, was arrested on suspicion of sexual offences. He was later bailed until December.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798

Flash

15th November 2012, 15:48

someting strange happens to me. Whenever I look at this thread, I am absolutely unable to look at Sasseville pictures. I do turn my head away when his picture is there. Nausea comes up and it is not because i now know what he did. I am pretty sure nausea would have turned me off even before anyone knew. I am unable to look at this guy even if now dead and just in pictures.

learninglight

15th November 2012, 16:35

FYI :

If Steve Messham is hounded any more, several of us who have recently met up again after in some cases 40 years will speak out as a unit first to back him up and second as revenge for what we went through.

"Expect some surprising names to be outed as gay abusers."

Paul Leake and friends

COVER UP BY THE SPOOKS : The police had a dossier "thick" with reports by boys that they had been abused by Sir Cyril Smith.

Police officer Tony Robinson says that the UK security service MI5 told him the dossier had to be sent to London.

Tony Robinson says that the then Director of Public Prosecutions decided that prosecution of Smith was "not in the public interest".

Tony Robinson says "The police now say the file is lost. It seems like there was a complete cover up to me

Link :http://www.aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00%2B01:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00%2B01:00&max-results=50

Sharon

Realeyes

15th November 2012, 16:45

When the Saville story started to come out, I was instantly reminded how as a young child I found him creepy, a feeling that something wasn't 'right', but I was too young to define it.

I was talking to my hubby about this and such childhood 'instincts' where my memory flashed to another moment when I felt a very similar thing. I was around 14/15 years old and went to a village fete that had a DJ celebrity opening it. This was Dave Lee Travis, who said all the right things to get the crowd cheering, he acted a perfect gentlemen. Yet when the local news reporter asked us teenage girls to close around Dave Lee Travis for a photograph, I walked backwards rather than forwards, instinctively knowing to stay away. I didn't see him do anything wrong, yet instinctively knew something wasn't right as I watched his face light up with delight and big eyes as he stretched his arms around all the young girls.

So it is no suprise to me, that he is one of those 'others' on the list.

As an adult I am going to pay more attention to what children instinctively pick up but have yet learnt the words to describe it. With all that is coming out of the woodwork on this story, and looking back on my own childhood instincts, they were on the mark.

It is time we give more credence to children, making sure they are kept safe, nurtured, loved into life - and LISTENED too, for they are our future. :hug:

I pray with all my heart to all those children who were suffering in silence.... and still suffer. And for those who had the strength to make it through into adulthood, may they have the courage to break their silence and unite with the many others who are finding their courage to speak out. :grouphug:

learninglight

15th November 2012, 16:47

FYI

John Whittingdale MP

The chairman of the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee, John Whittingdale, questioned why a Newsnight report that alleged incorrectly that a senior Conservative had abused children was not referred to the director general before it was broadcast.”If this isn’t referred to the editor-in-chief of the BBC, what is?” he asked.”It is hard to think of a more serious allegation to be aired on the flagship current affairs programme of the BBC and yet the director general was not aware of it, didn’t even watch it because he was busy that night. It is extraordinary that this happened.”Mr Whittingdale said there should be a thorough investigation into how the broadcast was allowed to happen, adding that somebody would have to be held responsible.”This represents a failure of management at every level and this goes right to the top and it includes the director general,” he said

Telegraph

Who is John Whittingdale MP ?

John Whittingdale OBE (born 1959) is a Conservative politician in the United Kingdom. He has been a Member of Parliament (MP) since 1992.

He is currently Vice-Chairman of the 1922 Committee. He was a member of the Executive of Conservative Way Forward (2005-10) and the Conservative Party Board (2006-10)……………..

………….From 1982-4, Whittingdale was Head of the political section of the Conservative Research Department. He then served as Special Adviser to three successive Secretaries of State for Trade and Industry, Norman Tebbit, 1984-5; Leon Brittan, 1985-6, and Paul Channon, 1986-7. He worked on international privatisation at NM Rothschild in 1987 and in January 1988, became Political Secretary to the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher. Upon her resignation, Whittingdale received the OBE and he continued as her Political Secretary until his election to Parliament in 1992…………..

………………..His half-brother, Charles Napier, was chairman of the Paedophile Information Exchange and has been convicted of a number of child sexual offences

Who is Charles Napier, Mr Whittingdale’s Half Brother ?

In the picturesque Dorset town of Sherborne, Charles Napier is an upstanding member of the community.

He is known as a respected retired languages teacher, a playwright and theatre director.

Only last month he gave a lecture on William Shakespeare at the town’s literary festival.

But Napier’s sordid past threatens to drag him into the heart of new inquiries into a child abuse scandal spanning three decades.

Evidence now being examined by Metropolitan Police detectives links Napier to Peter Righton, one of Britain’s most high-profile paedophiles.

Mirror

Where have I heard that name Peter Righton before ?

Oh, Tom Watson’s question at PMQs

“The evidence file – used to convict paedophile Peter Righton – if it still exists, contains clear intelligence of a widespread paedophile ring. One of it’s members boasts of his links to a senior aide of a former Prime minister, who says he could smuggle indecent images of children from abroad. The leads were not followed up, but if the files still exist, I want to ensure that the Metropolitan Police secure the evidence, re-examine it, and investigate clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and Number 10

And Tom Watson’s explanation…….

The central allegation was that a large body of material seized in the raid on Righton’s home had not been fully investigated. Though Righton was the subject of a BBC profile in 1994 [I think this is the date] “The Secret Life of a Paedophile”, little had been done to follow up the leads from the case. A specialist unit in Scotland Yard had the material which supplemented a wider investigation into organised paedophile rings in children’s homes.

Link : http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/well-i-never/

Sharon

learninglight

15th November 2012, 17:03

Sorry for the copy and pasting imo this needs putting here in full

Steven Messham is not just a child abuse victim. He’s a hero.

There is a war going on.

It’s a war played out in the media, on our televisions and on the internet - a war between information and disinformation, between truth and lies, between powerful establishment ‘fixers’ and ordinary citizens – but the casualties are real.

People have been hurt, people have even died, but some – bruised, tortured, battered to an unbelievable degree – have amazingly managed to survive.

Child abuse victim, Steven Messham is one of those who is still standing.

Just.

Because, as part of this war, last week, the Mail on Sunday did a hatchet job on Steven in an attempt to discredit him as a witness.

The article was almost entirely made up of spin, half-truths and downright lies. It was also written by a well-known establishment ‘fixer’ – David Rose – who was so confident that his attempt to discredit Steven would succeed he didn’t even bother to write under a pseudonym – despite the fact he must have known some of us would recognise his name.

See this previous article for more information about Rose:

Child abuse scandal can of worms – just who is Daily Mail reporter David Rose?

The Mail is powerful. The members of the establishment who are paying people like David Rose to ‘fix’ things for them are also powerful.

In fact, for centuries these people have been so powerful they have always managed to cover-up their own wrongdoings, because the means of information and disinformation has always been in their hands – the television, the newspapers, the politicians, the courts. So they always won.

Until now.

The power of the internet has changed everything and for once there is a real opportunity that truth can overcome the spin, the lies and the cover-ups, because for once – maybe for the first time ever – ordinary people now have the tools to fight back.

That’s why we have to show the ‘fixers’ they no longer have a free hand to spread disinformation at will. We have to show them that the world has changed by making sure the truth about Steven Messham is known.

Here it is.

There is absolutely no doubt that Steven Messham was abused and raped as a child. Two of the leaders of the children’s home he was in were convicted and jailed for abusing the children under their care there.

The convicted abusers also happened to be fellow golf club members and friends of a cousin of Lord McAlpine - Jimmie McAlpine – who lived nearby and is most likely one of the ‘rich’ men Steven remembers abusing him.

Not surprisingly, Steven’s abuser didn’t introduce himself formally and give him his exact name while he was raping him.

The McAlpine family tree is fiendishly complicated and it was the police who wrongly gave Steven the name of Lord McAlpine in the abuse allegations.

See here for how similar the two men are.

But Steven’s suffering unfortunately didn’t even stop when he left the care home. He was also later wrongly accused of fraud – another obvious attempt by the establishment to shut him up – but he was completely cleared of all charges. Indeed, if Steven had enough money of his own – I’m sure he would now be suing the Mail on Sunday and David Rose for libel for suggesting otherwise.

The truth is that Steven Messham is a remarkable man – a survivor who has taken on the might of the establishment and is still standing.

I take my hat off to him. He’s a stronger man than I am – and a better man than all those seeking to blacken his name in order to preserve their comfortable status quo.

So if you have a blog, write about it – reblog this article if you don’t want to write it yourself – and if you’re on Twitter or Facebook or Google+ or whatever – share share share.

This time, let’s make sure we don’t allow the lies and the spin and the disinformation to win.

Link : http://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/steven-messham-is-not-just-a-child-abuse-victim-hes-a-hero/

Sharon

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 17:15

I agree Learninglight and .....Steve Meesham 'bashing' and discrediting is deffinately
happening, eventhough there was another witness in the BBC newsnight report
and they read his statement on the programme.

To top all this off , we the licence payers are about to pay a settlement to Lord Mc Alpine ! I hope he donates it to Abuse charities

I' fill in details soon !

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Nick Matkin

15th November 2012, 17:46

I try not to get swept along with conspiracy theories, but there is something I have noticed in this nasty business; those so far accused are either:

1) Unknown individuals

2) Famous but not influential individuals

3) Dead influential individuals

So are there any live influential individuals waiting to be exposed?

Now there's all this stuff about McAlpine's solicitor considering prosecuting Twitter users who tweeted McAlpine's name. What about the various alternative news websites that have been implicating, accusing and naming 'the rich and powerful' of being involved with all this?

Where will it end...

Nick

Gardener

15th November 2012, 18:04

Steve needs protection, he's been got at! The method, I couldn't say. But the monolith is having a hand in all this. The same one that 'gets at' those who come up with over-unity energy or zero point technology.

Flash--->
someting strange happens to me. Whenever I look at this thread, I am absolutely unable to look at Sasseville pictures....]

I hear ya Flash, these feelings you describe are echoing my own, visceral. Never has my BS meter been sharper.

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 18:20

3) Dead influential individuals

I was thinking the same while posting the Cyril Smith articles !

I'm posting, related abuse stories on the thread ....

norman

15th November 2012, 19:09

To top all this off , we the licence payers are about to pay a settlement to Lord Mc Alpine ! I hope he donates it to Abuse charities

His lawyers will probably put it in a kitty to pay for prosecuting the 'stragglers' who don't contact them and 'apologize' in the next 48 hours or so.

I must admit, his manner during the interview didn't come across to me as that of a bloke who's coming out guns blazing in absolute denial of the truth. He seemed to be quite genuine.

As for Saville and the rest, I remember David Wilcock saying, a year or so ago, that we were going to see a lot of people falling from a great height. I didn't think it was going to be like this though. I was expecting much bigger fish.

Unless, the prosecutions and court trials are going to be where all the dirt comes out on the big fish.

Flash

15th November 2012, 19:19

Wait another 2- 4 years Norman, the slide has begun. IN US it is generals and CIA chiefs right now.

The important: people's trust and lack of awareness is gone, the next will be much easier to hang.

Bankers
Newspapers
BBC and influential politicians
Generals

People will start seeing the truth, then they will demand the truth.

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 23:29

BBC Settle for 185,000 plus costs......

15 November 2012 Last updated at 21:07

.BBC reaches settlement with Lord McAlpine

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Lord McAlpine said he had been shocked to discover he was being accused

The BBC has settled with Lord McAlpine over his libel claim about a Newsnight
broadcast which led to him being wrongly implicated in child abuse.
The damages, agreed 13 days after the broadcast, total £185,000 plus costs.
"The settlement is comprehensive and reflects the gravity of the allegations
that were wrongly made," the corporation said in a statement.

The Tory peer had said it was "terrifying" to find himself "a figure of public hatred".

Lord McAlpine said: "I am delighted to have reached a quick and early settlement
with the BBC. I have been conscious that any settlement will be paid by the licence
fee-payers, and have taken that into account in reaching agreement with the BBC.
"We will now be continuing to seek settlements from other organisations that have
published defamatory remarks and individuals who have used Twitter to defame me."

The terms of the agreement will be announced in court in a few days' time, according
to RMPI LLP, solicitors for Lord McAlpine.Newsnight broadcast a report on child abuse i
n north Wales care homes earlier this month. Lord McAlpine's name was not broadcast,
but he was wrongly identified on the internet

'Public hatred'

BBC home editor Mark Easton says the BBC will apologise to Lord McAlpine in court -
but Lord McAlpine will also give a statement, in what our correspondent describes as
an unusual step. Lord McAlpine will say in his statement that he still holds the BBC
in very high esteem, our correspondent adds.The BBC has previously apologised for
the broadcast, and investigations are being held into the programme, including by
the BBC and media watchdog Ofcom.Lord McAlpine said "there is nothing as bad as
this that you can do to people" as accusing them of being a paedophile."They are
quite rightly figures of public hatred - and suddenly to find yourself a figure of public
hatred, unjustifiably, is terrifying," he added.Conservative MP Rob Wilson said the
settlement will "incense" licence fee payers because "they are paying for a self-inflicted
wound".He said: "This is a very expensive lesson for the BBC that it must maintain
the highest standards of journalism and fairness at all times."The settlement is also
expensive and particularly hard on the licence fee payer... unfortunately, a protracted
court case may well have cost a great deal more."

Lord McAlpine's solicitor Andrew Reid had earlier said that Lord McAlpine was "more
than aware that the ultimate people who will paying for any monies that he may receive
are in fact the licence payers, the people who really own the BBC, and he is very much
aware of this and hence any agreement that is reached is tempered in the light of that."
The Newsnight report led to director general George Entwistle quitting at the weekend.
Acting director general Tim Davie has said he hoped to personally apologise to Lord McAlpine.

Twitter appeal

Mr Reid has also earlier urged those who had named Lord McAlpine on social media site
Twitter to come forward.He said Sally Bercow, wife of Commons Speaker John Bercow,
had not yet been in touch to apologise for her tweets. She tweeted on Thursday that she
maintained her tweet was not libellous, "just foolish".Mr Reid confirmed several prominent
people had already apologised.Ofcom is also investigating ITV's This Morning. It received
complaints after presenter Philip Schofield handed the prime minister a list of alleged
paedophiles during a live broadcast.ITV director of television Peter Fincham said Schofield
will remain on air, and that he "realises his mistake and lapse in ITV journalism".
Mr Fincham confirmed that he had received a letter from Lord McAlpine's legal team
and would be responding to it "very quickly".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20348978

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-11-15/lord-mcalpine-to-receive-185-000-bbc-settlement/

Cidersomerset

15th November 2012, 23:51

This story was reported earlier,this is the channel 4 report.

Dave Lee Travis arrested in Savile investigation

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Published on 15 Nov 2012 by Channel4News

The former Radio 1 DJ Dave Lee Travis has been arrested by
police investigating claims of sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile and others.

Cidersomerset

16th November 2012, 00:04

THE GUARDIAN.........

BBC to pay Lord McAlpine £185,000 after false child abuse allegations

Former Conservative party treasurer's solicitor says ITV's This Morning is on 'a very long list' of those facing legal action

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Newsnight made the falsde allegations on 2 November. Photograph: Jeff Overs/BBC

The BBC will pay £185,000 in damages to Lord McAlpine following the Newsnight broadcast on 2 November that wrongly linked the former Conservative party treasurer to historic allegations child sexual abuse.

It is one of the largest sums ever paid out by the publicly funded corporation, which is on the losing end of six-figure libel cases infrequently, and will set a precedent for other legal actions the peer has in train against ITV and any other media organisations and individuals.

The BBC said it had "agreed terms with Lord McAlpine to settle his claim of libel against the corporation. The settlement is comprehensive and reflects the gravity of the allegations that were wrongly made".

It is understood that, despite the payment, the BBC and McAlpine have reached an agreement in which will say he still holds the BBC "in great esteem" when statements are read out in open court confirming the damages. The concession was welcomed by the BBC as it battles to restore its reputation after the error, which led to the resignation of director general George Entwistle on Saturday.

Despite the payout, McAlpine's lawyer said the peer was "more than aware that the ultimate people who will be paying any monies that he may receive are in fact the licence payers, the people who really own the BBC" and that any settlement "reached is tempered in the light of that".

The highest amount paid by the BBC in recent years was £500,000 to African diamond firm Oryx Natural Resources after the broadcaster wrongly linked it to Osama bin Laden.

Earlier on Thursday, McAlpine's lawyer Andrew Reid said ITV's This Morning was top of "a very long list" of those facing legal action from his client over false accusations in relation to child abuse. Also likely to be targeted is Sally Bercow, the wife of Speaker John Bercow, who tweeted the peer's name after the transmission of the Newsnight programme, which did not reveal his name.

Reid said he would have no choice but to sue if those on the list failed to come forward to apologise. Some people, including Guardian columnist George Monbiot, have already apologised to the peer in writing. Bercow had made an apology on Twitter, but Reid appeared not to be aware of this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/nov/15/bbc-lord-mcalpine-compensation-newsnight

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Lord McAlpine to reach settlement with BBC after child sex smears
Lord McAlpine, the former senior Conservative politician wrongly implicated in a child sex abuse scandal, will reach a settlement with the BBC over their Newsnight investigation, his solicitor has disclosed.

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( Clockwise from top left) Lord McAlpine, former BBC Director General George Entwistle, Steven Messham and Newsnight presenter Jeremy Paxman

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9679542/Lord-McAlpine-to-reach-settlement-with-BBC-after-child-sex-smears.html
Dan Sabbagh and Jason Deans
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 15 November 2012 20.25 GMT

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233240/Peers-revenge-Twitter-slurs-McAlpine-sue-internet-gossips-BBC-pays-185-000-damages-following-Newsnight-report.html

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