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enfoldedblue
17th October 2012, 22:32
First of all let it be known I am not selling these machines. Ok so now let the praises begin. Years ago I saw a healer (can't even remember what kind), and at the end of a session with her she would put you on a little machine called the chi machine. The machine shakes your feet in a way that creates a movement like a goldfish throughout your whole body. I remember absolutely loving the way I felt at the end of 5 minutes....a rush of energy can be felt like a wave through the body and you feel limber and energized.

Anyway many years since and I had virtually forgotten about this machine and experience. Last weekend I was at an auction house with silent bidding and saw the machine and I put a 70$ bid on it. No one else must have known what it was as I ended up being the only one who bid (though I was below the reserve). The machine retails at about $500 and this one was never-used in brand new condition. In the end after a small negotiation I got it for $100. I think this might be the bst money I've spent.

I am in love!!!! I have not felt so good in my body since I was a kid. I feel like it was a gift from the universe. Pains that I have had forever have melted away....I feel loose, relaxed and energized. My skin is looking so healthy and shiney...sorry I know I am sounding like an ad...but it's true :)


The benefits are enormous and can include:

oxygenation of cells

Lymphatic drainage

improved circulation

Easing of back and neck pain

Relief from general aches and pains

Increased energy

Improved sleep

Normalisation of blood pressure

May help with weight reduction

Improved digestive function

Deep relaxation helping to overcome stress

It relaxes and provides an awesome alpha state that makes visualizing easy and fun.

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The one I got is marketed as the original and they claim the cheaper imitations could be dangerous. I think this might just be a scare tactic however...from what I've read in related forums there are many people reporting great benefits from this machine regardless of brand, and no one reporting any damage.

Anyway just wanted to share about this because for me this is a bit of a game changer. My body feels really happy and finally it is a pleasure to be contained within it. Actually I sometimes used to have a clausterphobic experience of being trapped in my body. Like it was a diving suit that I was wearing in which I was not quite getting enough air...and maybe this actually was because my cells were not getting enough oxygen.

Anyone else have experience with this machine?

AwakeInADream
17th October 2012, 22:59
Movement like a Goldfish?

What sort of movement? Like a figure of 8?

And what sort of speed does it go at?

Is it only your feet that are moved?

It sounds good!:) I wonder If I could make one on the cheap...

selinam
18th October 2012, 02:25
Where can you buy these machines from?

Paul
18th October 2012, 03:19
Where can you buy these machines from?

A google search for "chi machines" reveals all :).

enfoldedblue
18th October 2012, 03:38
Hi guys,

Awake in the Dream the ankle craddle on top of the machine oscillates (moves side to side), at approximately 140/minute. I'd love to hear about your adventures making one of these!

selinam there seems to be heaps of places selling these machines... here's one in Canada I came accross http://chimachinecanada.com/home/ , and US http://www.chimachineshop.com/chimachine.php .You could also try ebay etc. If you google chi machines you'll come accross all brands and price ranges.

Also a good idea could be to rent one for a week or so and see if it works for whatever related issues you have. For me personally the noticeable effects have been almost immediate.

christian
18th October 2012, 05:54
I had one before. It's really kind of nice, surely has the effects you describe, it's very stimulating. Stimulated me to decide to produce the benefits it gave me on my own eventually. The mechanic repetitious nature of it was bugging me after a while, so I got rid of it.

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I do a lot of sports and I figured moving my legs on my own is just what I enjoy more. There is even a physical exercise that comes very close to the particular effects of a chi machine, Osho's kundalini meditation. The following video kind of gives you an idea, but you can shake much more intensely and you can dance more playfully as well, you don't have to stand at one spot all the time while you do this. If you don't wanna buy the CD with the related music and so on, here's how you do it: Just shake 15 minutes straight and get loose, then dance for 15 any type of dance you come up with, then sit and listen/meditate for 15 and then relax/lay down for 15. Can do it with any music, or listen to the radio or whatever.

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enfoldedblue
18th October 2012, 07:58
I agree this machine is not for everyone. For me I feel that I have always been more spiritually focused than physically focused. Because of this it has been more difficult to shift patterns stored in my physical body. As much as I try to walk and do yoga it is a challenge for me to be consistent because I lack the energy and have various pains...and so becomes a viscious cycle. It's as though even though I have a great diet and lifestyle my body just hasn't had to energy to heal properly and keep up with the healing that is occuring in me on emotional and spiritual levels. I feel like the universe just presented me with the key to allowing my physical body to come in line with the rest of me. Hopefully for me this machine will be a stepping stone in terms of physical health. I prefer to do things naturally and I imagine that as I heal it will become easier and easier for me to achieve the same effects through an increasingly active lifestyle.

One of the things I notice is that I have patterns of tenseness in my body, places I learned to hold to store unprocessed emotions. And even though I have now processed and shifted the energy it is difficult for my body to unlearn the patterns of tenseness. When I use the machine it seems to loosen up and relax my body into a nice neutral untense state. If I just did it once my body would likely revert back to it's familiar pattern of tenseness, but because I do it 2 or 3 times a day (5min) a healthy relax state is maintained which will give my body the opportunity to heal itself.

AwakeInADream
18th October 2012, 16:07
here's one in Canada I came accross http://chimachinecanada.com/home/

Thank's Enfoldedblue!:)

I watched that video from the website above.

Ah! 'Like a fish' I get it now!

Maybe some beneficial results could be obtained from doing that movement anyway, by laying down with your feet on a soccer ball.
I know it wouldn't be quite as relaxing, but it might be worth a try.

Kundalini Meditation look's good too, Cheers Christian!:)

You know sometimes I notice that just doing simple sit up's creates an unusual yet pleasant kind of energy flow that travels up my spine and into my head.

Is that Kunalini/Chi perhaps?

Cartomancer
18th October 2012, 16:20
Slightly off topic but it always makes me think twice when I see words like "Chi." I guess this one is pronounced "key." It just reminds me of the Greek letter Chi (Kye). I wonder if somehow the meanings are interlinked more than we suspect from culture to culture.

The Chi machine is a good name for a band.

AwakeInADream
18th October 2012, 16:31
Does the Greek letter Chi represent anything scientific?

Like Phi represents the Golden Ratio?

(Yes it is a good name for a band:))

Cartomancer
18th October 2012, 16:49
Chi is like the letter X in Greek. It makes the K or Ch sound. It is part of the Labarum symbol that Constantine adapted as the first sign of Christianity. It is also symbolic of the masculine '^' and femminine 'v.'

AwakeInADream
18th October 2012, 17:16
Ah! I see the link!
There is also the letter 'Tau' in Hebrew that represents the cross, which sounds like the Eastern 'Tao'.
All these things do seem to be linked...

4evrneo
18th October 2012, 17:33
Thanks Enfoldedblue,
I seen this a couple years ago but had forgotten all about it. I think I may have to invest in one, my whole family would benefit from it.

Blessings,
Annette

selinam
18th October 2012, 17:43
Hi guys,

Awake in the Dream the ankle craddle on top of the machine oscillates (moves side to side), at approximately 140/minute. I'd love to hear about your adventures making one of these!

selinam there seems to be heaps of places selling these machines... here's one in Canada I came accross http://chimachinecanada.com/home/ , and US http://www.chimachineshop.com/chimachine.php .You could also try ebay etc. If you google chi machines you'll come accross all brands and price ranges.

Also a good idea could be to rent one for a week or so and see if it works for whatever related issues you have. For me personally the noticeable effects have been almost immediate.

Thanks so much! I will definitely check those out.

Selina

sandy
19th October 2012, 04:07
I use my Chi machine every morning to get everything circulating. I love it and find it is a nice addition to the chi exercise I do to align my chi centers before starting.

I have had this machine for a while but was never consistent with it until of late due to a fibromyalgia flair up and sciatic nerve pain down my lower left side which became unbearable. 2 weeks in daily routine has now dissapated the sciatia pain and calmed the fibro flair up, thus have now become a real believer in Chi Therapy of all kinds :)

selinam
19th October 2012, 04:24
Hmmm that's interesting Sandy. I've had sciatica problems lately and it was pretty intense pain.
I was getting physiotherapy for it which has helped somewhat, but it hasn't completely gone
Yet.

ENIGMAggie
19th October 2012, 12:56
I think I'm sold as well. :cool: Saw a model on Amazon that got good reviews for around $100.

Eram
20th October 2012, 05:37
Thanks for this thread enfoldedblue.

I'm intrigued.
I even ordered a machine already. (second hand for 50 euro)

There are many youtube films one can watch for info about the benefits etc.

this one was a bit old, bit it is very informative.

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I am especially eager to learn the correlation between this machine and the Kundalini mediation that christian is talking about.
would the effects really be the same? That would be awesome!
(dancing and letting the energies flow is not my fort)

enfoldedblue
21st October 2012, 09:40
I look forward to hearing about others experiences. So far for me it has been one week and I still feel great. I have been doing 5 minutes 3 times a day. I'm looking forward to getting up to 2 x 15 minute sessions (which I think is the recommended max). I started doing 7 minutes, but that night I got a serious headache, which can happen if you overdo it (due to toxic release), however they day before my husband pulled a shellback tick out of my head...and this, more than likely, was the real culprit.

Also for anyone using the machine I just want to put in a little reminder of the importance of drinking water before and after a session as the water will flush the released toxins out of your system.

Also re the pronounciation, from what I have found on the net in this case it is 'chee' like cheese.

Happy 'chi-ing'

LOVE ALLways, c

skyflower
5th November 2012, 20:03
After a bit of research, the original company that put out the chi machine claims that you could injure yourself with one of the imitators selling for a lower price.
I went ahead and ordered from the original company just to be on the safe side.
I would love to hear from anyone here who has a machine other than Sun Ancon's.
I ordered this one for myself, and for my room mate who is diabetic. I think my room mate will be able to really tell me if this works.
If this is anything close to what it claims to be, I will be purchasing one for my folks too.

Eram
8th November 2012, 11:46
I look forward to hearing about others experiences.

Well,

our machine has arrived last Sunday and I can already tell that we are amazed with it's results.

We both (me and my partner) did 2 sessions of 5 minutes a day so far and we both feel great.

My partner started on a new job since August the 15th and ever since, she had severe dust allergies.
On Tuesday morning (after 2 days of use), she woke up, without allergic symptoms and they have virtually gone ever since. Wauw!!!

I have been somewhat depressed for the past weeks or months even en since I use this machine, my appetite for the day has increased dramatically.
As if a big weight has been lifted of my shoulders.
More energy also.

I have been experimenting with different types of music while using the machine and trance (like) music seems to increase the effect, it does for the mental and emotional experience of it anyway.


We bought an Medi-Chi machine, which is not an original obviously, but since the explanation why only original machines should be bought has no logic to it (It says that the machine is precisely made to create this fish-like movement and that other machines create an off movement. This could theoretically only be true, if all human body's are of the same size.) So I think that this statement is made for commercial reasons. Our machine seems to work just fine.

Thanks again enfoldedblue :)

Aurvandil
8th November 2012, 17:19
It sounds like an interesting machine! I think it is true when the Chinese say that you are as old as your spine!

However, I agree with Christian that other exercises may have the same effect - and for free. I have practised qi gong for some years and we use to start the exercise by shaking, as they do in the video in Christians post. We also use to bend our wrists to really release the tension in the wrist and forcefully also shake our hands as we shake the arms and the whole body, then suddenly stop the whole exercise and stand still. You then very vividly feel the energy flow though your body.

There is also another very easy exercise you can do to release the spine and that is swinging your arms as in this video:

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You can also change the position of the arms from hitting your hip area, to hitting your stomach/back and then hitting your upper back and shoulder area. By doing this you are treating your three energy areas in the torso (the three dan tiens) which are connected to the inner organs. Very relaxing and invigorating. It is important to let the swinging movement stop by itself. Then take three deep breaths and you are ready to meet the day!

Still, I am thinking of getting one of those machines just to try... ;)

Jules
8th November 2012, 17:33
Does the Greek letter Chi represent anything scientific?

Like Phi represents the Golden Ratio?

(Yes it is a good name for a band:))

Having taken tai chi, chi is what comes from mind, body, and spirit - center core energy. Balancing from inside out. It is mentioned a lot in martial arts.

Connecting with Sauce
8th November 2012, 21:00
Where can you buy these machines from?

Ebay :)

I just got myself a "chi massager" for 50 S/H and compared it to my Mum's Chi Machine. I like my new purchase...

enfoldedblue
8th November 2012, 21:54
Hi

It's great to read all the responses Thanks. Wakytweaky...you are sounding a bit like an ad too :D . Glad you are enjoying.

Since it has been a few weeks now that I' ve been using the machine I'll give an update. I'm still loving it, but am having trouble getting it done twice a day and for the last week have been on 10 min once a day (finding a bit of quiet time with a four year old running around is the challenge). I have had a pain in my shoulders since I was a teenager, the machine definitly helps with this, but it has not completely gone away. My husband is enjoying the machine mainly for the relaxing qualities and he has been noticeably more chilled since having the machine.

I am aiming for 15 min 2x a day...I'll keep you all posted.

Thanks

lightwalker
9th November 2012, 01:09
I've had an original Chi machine for over 10 years. I use it regularly....but mostly when I cannot get out to walk. I drink water before and after and usually do it for 10 minutes. It is really a nice way to zone out. I have never gotten tired of using it, especially just before going to bed.

lightwalker

skyflower
12th November 2012, 04:24
I have had my machine for Almost a week now, and here is my update.
The first night I started off at six minutes only because I wasn't paying attention and thought it was actually 3minutes. (The dial goes up in two minute increments)
I did another six minutes the next morning, still not noticing the dial. The first day I felt crappy, like a train had hit me.
Second evening I noticed the dials, but kept going at six minutes. I figured I survived the worst of it, and my body would adjust.
By the next day I was already feeling better , so I kept increasing the time.
I am now at ten minutes, morning and evening, and feeling good. I feel energised.
I am getting some break outs in my face, but I figure its the effect of some detoxing going on. I plan to keep it at ten minutes for this week, until I get no new break outs.

I am fairly healthy, so I have nothing dramatic to report, but my diabetic room mates blood sugar dropped 50 points after going on this machine once. I had her measure it before, and then afterwards.

I will chime in again if I notice any new developments. But so far I like it, so the machine is not going back after the trial period is over.

Positive Vibe Merchant
13th November 2012, 00:17
I have a question though.

This sounds great, and I would like to look into it further but I snapped my achillies tendon some months ago, and am currently going through physio. Currently I can walk (anything up to 6kms so far without pain) but there is still general pain in the area.

With the cradle sitting on that region, I am a bit concerned it may damage the area a little more.

Any thoughts on those that have a machine and may have advice as to whether or not to persue at this time?

PVM

enfoldedblue
13th November 2012, 07:33
I have a question though.

This sounds great, and I would like to look into it further but I snapped my achillies tendon some months ago, and am currently going through physio. Currently I can walk (anything up to 6kms so far without pain) but there is still general pain in the area.

With the cradle sitting on that region, I am a bit concerned it may damage the area a little more.

Any thoughts on those that have a machine and may have advice as to whether or not to persue at this time?

PVM

Hi PVM,

Sorry to hear about your injury :(

If I were you I would discuss it with your physio. When I first got the machine I used a hand towel folded up to pad the craddle. Later I learned that this is not really recommended unless necessary (which might the case for you) also I found that they sell soft covers for the cradle for people with injuries etc. My ankles are very flexible so my feet really fly when I'm going, and I found that the bone on the side of my ankle was hitting the machine and did not feel good. Now I put my legs in a little more so that it is the high ankle/lower calf that sits in the craddle and I no longer have the banging problem.

Hope this helps

AwakeInADream
16th November 2012, 01:09
Awake in the Dream the ankle craddle on top of the machine oscillates (moves side to side), at approximately 140/minute. I'd love to hear about your adventures making one of these!

I'm starting to wonder if the healing potential comes from the speed of the oscillation itself.
140/minute is 2.333.. cycles per second or 2.333.. Hertz. Raising the octave would give 597.333..Hz.
That's roughly 600Hz. Maybe this is a healing frequency? This is somewhere between a D and a D# in music.

Playing a 600Hz sine wave through loudspeakers might have a similar effect.
(I'm looking for alternatives because I can't afford to buy one, and I don't have the technical ability to make one:o)

enfoldedblue
16th November 2012, 03:08
Awake in the Dream the ankle craddle on top of the machine oscillates (moves side to side), at approximately 140/minute. I'd love to hear about your adventures making one of these!

I'm starting to wonder if the healing potential comes from the speed of the oscillation itself.
140/minute is 2.333.. cycles per second or 2.333.. Hertz. Raising the octave would give 597.333..Hz.
That's roughly 600Hz. Maybe this is a healing frequency? This is somewhere between a D and a D# in music.

Playing a 600Hz sine wave through loudspeakers might have a similar effect.
(I'm looking for alternatives because I can't afford to buy one, and I don't have the technical ability to make one:o)

Interesting theory :) However according to wiki there is a range of speeds that can work:

The most contentious claim by Hsin Ten's distributors is that the swinging speed must be about 140 +/- 5 oscillations per minute to achieve the correct response of the body. However, this claim has been undermined by the fact that the Japanese manufacturers of the original Chi Machine, Skylite Corporation, have themselves introduced an updated model in recent years, with the option of a much lower speed - 110 oscillations per minute ["RPM"]; and the fact that the original patent granted to Skylite Corporation [US patent 5,107,822] specifies a speed range of 100 to 200 RPM as being effective. Some other models made by competing manufacturers also offer various alternative speed options, including adjustable speed controls.

But did you see above in post #22 Aurvandil has put a youtube of excercises the produce similar effect, so you can get the benefits without buying the machine.

My Partner (music) is really into the healing qualities of music...I'll ask him to comment later.

AwakeInADream
16th November 2012, 04:13
Just watched the video in post #22! Wow! Such an easy thing to do,
I feel much better just having watch that man do it. Such joy!

My theory of frequency must have been wrong because the range from 100 RPM to 200 RPM is one complete octave(426Hz to 852Hz),
which would suggest that every frequency inbetween (as in every note) was a healing frequency.

I guess there is no 'easy' way to feel good, you just have to move.

I must admit I've done that floppy arm movement thing before instinctivley when I've felt in a 'silly' mood (and no-one was looking).
I think this is because our emotions, in a way dictate our physical postures, in the same way that our postures dictate our emotions.

If you feel good to begin with then you just move, and if you feel bad then you slouch.

P.S. Ah! 'Music' is your partner, he was the first person to click my 'Add as Friend' when I joined Avalon. He's a great guy!
I too am into the healing properties of sound. I'm rather obsessed with it at the moment, I see everything in terms of frequency and vibration.
I'm like a broken record...

skyflower
19th November 2012, 05:42
I have had the machine for two weeks now, and I am up to fifteen minutes each day.
I wake up refreshed ready to face the day. I think it has brought my energy up. I do fifteen minutes right before I go to bed. It is very relaxing, and it knocks me out during the rest period right after the machine turns off.
I keep my bedroom light on while getting on the machine so I don't end up sleeping on the floor for the entire night.