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truth4me
26th October 2012, 03:08
George tells us plenty here......

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DeBron
26th October 2012, 13:07
Well that is not reason enough not to vote. I spend most of my day informing people that who is president is not the only thing that is on the ballot. What people fail to realize is that the President runs the Federal Government of the USA. He does not control the state you live in, nor the county, nor the city. We are voting for much more and those races are just as important if not more so.
I find it disturbing that people give up on voting because things don't go the way they think it should. This process is corrupted and broken which means you and I must do more than JUST vote. We complain about lobbyists. Most people don't know what a lobbyist is. It is a person who is paid to express their company's concerns.

You have concerns don't you? Then express them. Things change when people make their wants known. It is a hard disappointing route to take but it works for those who persevere. If we give up and wash our hands of it(read: not participate) then we are allowing those in power to continue to do whatever they feel like doing.

Pressure applied creates diamonds. With no pressure our government will become more sludge than anything. Lets make diamonds. Call them. Write them. Email them. Visit their offices. The harder we work, the more benefit we will see. Stop complaining in your chair. Get up get out and change it all.


Ok I had to get that off my chest. um.......what am I supposed to say??? Oh yea IMHO (LOL)

Carmody
26th October 2012, 14:30
that is the subtle part. Send a message that votes can be dangerous if used, as opposed to not used.

Make it very hard to fake a Romney victory, as the situation is plain and simple. a Romney victory is a 'America goes directly to active full war' victory. it's the CIA/Nazi side of things directly in the white house, as opposed to someone who is forced to work with compromises and is compromised.

That is a big difference.

And when that is done, then get back to hammering the garbage that is occupying that office.

Switching to the "direct action/open action fascists" is a really bad idea..and not voting is a sure fire way to get there. For republicans always vote, it is the neutrals and the liberal types that always decide to protest --by not voting.

The numbers have to be high enough that it is difficult to lie about the vote turnout and the direction. it's like piling up 1000 pounds of sand, hoping that 1 pound of it will be recognized. But in this case, the alternative is worse.

Think about it. don't destroy the only stick that is holding things back, that is slowing things down...by trying to commit to the appearance of doing the right thing.


Fully blown open fascists in the presidential offices is a really bad thing. Seriously. Think about it. It's the difference between remote control by agreement and connection....vs direct full control, hands in and on the controls. It's possible to visualize it as something like the difference between a spymaster running things in the backdrop through subtlety, channels, agreement and cohersion... or a spymaster's best servant directly in the offices. A HUGE difference in effectiveness and capacity for forwarding agendas.

Rahkyt
26th October 2012, 14:41
Very well said, DeBron and Carmody. I agree 100%.


And when that is done, then get back to hammering the garbage that is occupying that office.

The point being that we will have more time and more opportunity to do so rather than heading directly and irrevocably into warfare and economic turmoil, which a Romney victory would ensure.

What is coming can be postponed, but it is still coming. Any time that we have to shift things for the greatest number of people possible before that time gets here is a grace period that we should take advantage of.

we-R-one
26th October 2012, 17:12
Well that is not reason enough not to vote. I spend most of my day informing people that who is president is not the only thing that is on the ballot. What people fail to realize is that the President runs the Federal Government of the USA. He does not control the state you live in, nor the county, nor the city. We are voting for much more and those races are just as important if not more so.
I find it disturbing that people give up on voting because things don't go the way they think it should. This process is corrupted and broken which means you and I must do more than JUST vote. We complain about lobbyists. Most people don't know what a lobbyist is. It is a person who is paid to express their company's concerns.

You have concerns don't you? Then express them. Things change when people make their wants known. It is a hard disappointing route to take but it works for those who persevere. If we give up and wash our hands of it(read: not participate) then we are allowing those in power to continue to do whatever they feel like doing.

Pressure applied creates diamonds. With no pressure our government will become more sludge than anything. Lets make diamonds. Call them. Write them. Email them. Visit their offices. The harder we work, the more benefit we will see. Stop complaining in your chair. Get up get out and change it all.


Ok I had to get that off my chest. um.......what am I supposed to say??? Oh yea IMHO (LOL)

Here's a different spin for you....when you vote you are giving them permission to do what they do, because you are electing to acquiesce to their system. They "need" your approval, in order to continue with their rampage. When you vote, you are giving them the "jurisdiction" to continue, and that is what people don't understand. All these systems such as SS#'s, birth certificates, drivers licenses, etc. are mechanisms we have "voluntarily" accepted that pull us under the jurisdiction of the corporation of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, legally. We have now legally given away our rights by accepting these so called processes as it puts us under contract with the corporation. This is how a de facto government is formed.

Black Law's Dictionary 5th edition:

GOVERNMENT DE FACTO-(this is how we've been set up): A government of fact. A government actually exercising power and control, as opposed to the true and lawful government; a government not established according to the constitution of the nation, or not lawfully entitled to recognition or supremacy, but which has nevertheless supplanted or displaced the government de jure. A government deemed unlawful, or deemed wrongful or unjust, which, nevertheless, receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community.


PLEASE NOTE LAST SENTENCE....."receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community." THIS IS REFERRING TO "WE THE PEOPLE". WE DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER SO WE ARE OBEDIENT.

The above is what you're voting for when you participate in these so called elections.

Do not be fooled into believing that voting is your "patriotic duty".....it's only a phrase to make you feel like your bad for not participating with their fraudulent system.

You are dealing with criminals and they don't care about the voice of the people. As long as criminals continue to run this country the lobbyist system isn't going away just because people complain...you're kidding yourself if you think that's true. You would probably appreciate the GOOOH system....are you familiar with it? It's a plan to remove all 435 members of the House and replace them with every day citizens like yourself. The beauty of the program is that no special interest money is allowed to finance any of the candidates; they are completely funded by the people. The chosen candidate, after going through the GOOOH process is required to sign an affidavit which states that he/she will not accept any special interest money and if they do, they will have 72 hours to vacate their office and then be required to pay back the people for all the funds that went to wards their campaign. It's a beautiful program and exactly what we need.....unfortunately on the flip side, until the criminals are removed it will not be allowed on a mass level. I think Tim Cox, the founder, has made some great strides on a local level, but more participation from the people is needed....and quite honestly I find most people to be lazy, and not wanting to actively participate, so until that changes on a mass scale, it will be difficult for this system to take shape. I speak from experience as I founded the GOOOH chapter for my state, so I had the opportunity to work closely with Tim and "the people" to observe how this process works.

I'm hopeful in time, that GOOOH will be the method used for all elected positions in the future should we gain control and return our country back to the Republic it once was. As a Republic we would be following common law not color of law, and all these stupid, silly statues, rules and restrictions would go away. There is no case, unless you have an injured party, period....which means....you wouldn't have the onslaught of congressional b.s. being crammed down your throat and for those in an elected position...well...they just might find their job to be rather pleasant as they won't be tied to their position such as those who hold office now. You can find out more about GOOOH, by visiting their website www.goooh.com

There's so much fraud in the election process, try you-tubing Bev Harris of Black Box Voting for more on that; your vote in the presidential election doesn't really matter. Besides...it's all ready pre-determined who's going to be president, and that choice is based on bloodlines. You can refer to the works of David Icke as he will demonstrates in some of his videos how presidents are chosen via who has the purest bloodline. The Illuminati are obsessed with bloodlines. There have been plenty of genealogy reports done on past presidents and the pattern is clear, the vast majority of presidents(I believe except for 2 of them), all belong to the same bloodline. Voting is merely an illusion to make you feel like you have a choice and that's the truth.

Rahkyt
26th October 2012, 17:26
Voting is not an illusion. Why would the republicans be trying so hard to disenfranchise so many people if it was an illusion?

The practical reality - which is all that we have - is that non-participation is playing into the hands of the PTB. Not voting. All that has been mentioned above is true, but in the Now, in the context of this election and what is going on in the world to sit by and not participate claiming the high moral ground is to potentially allow the worst case scenario to manifest and for warfare and economic privation to occur sooner rather than later.

Sure, the choice is between the devil and the deep blue sea, but unless the radical change required is about to happen right now, then the system as it is is the only real choice that we have.

Not making a choice, choosing to sit out, is making a choice.

Jake
26th October 2012, 17:35
Presidents are not elected, they are SELECTED! David Icke.

I do not vote, and I am not shy to say it. I will take full responsibility for my 'non-vote'. The attrocities that occur around our world are being worked by a hidden hand. Including the careful control of any potential candidate for president of the U.S.

This is a picture of Prisidents Nixon and Reagan with the 'man who brought us pletonium' (Illuminati front man),,, discussing the future! (at Bohemian Grove in the Redwoods in California. Before either of them were president, of course.)
http://www.jonesreport.com/images/210607_bg_Reagan_Nixon_cr.jpg

No potential vote that I have will ever be used to justify the attrocities currently being played out by the latest batch of monsters. I may still vote in my local elections, mostly for the ballot initiatives. But even those have red flags any more!!

Jake.

Rahkyt
26th October 2012, 17:41
That is your choice then, Jake, and there's no need to be shy or ashamed to say it. There are many people who refuse to vote and who just sit back and complain. That, again, is a valid choice. To sit back and wait for things to get better, or to sit back and watch things continue to devolve while decrying the state of the entire system with no prescriptions for any change for the better other than to continue to observe and wait.

Wait for what? What is everybody waiting for? Armed revolution? Nibiru? NESARA? The White Hats? Gaia to decide she's had enough and shake humanity off the earth like fleas?

We have a choice between two extremes. To sit back if you have the opportunity to affect that choice is a choice of life path that many make and that results in a continuing downward spiral of intent and outcome.

While the system we have SUCKS, and nobody here disputes that, if you have the chance to affect change and you don't take it that is your choice.

And for all of those who state that it is all pre-chosen, that's true only to the extent that the PTB attempt to affect voters choices by bombarding them with ads and other social media, as well as direct enforcement through peer and the employment structures.

As the elections in 2004 and 2008 showed, the voter manipulation can be assayed, as Carmody stated, if the difference and distance between the two candidates and the vote tallies is large enough.

Action is required for real change, not sitting back and watching.

Jake
26th October 2012, 18:02
That is your choice then, Jake, and there's no need to be shy or ashamed to say it. There are many people who refuse to vote and who just sit back and complain. That, again, is a valid choice. To sit back and wait for things to get better, or to sit back and watch things continue to devolve while decrying the state of the entire system with no prescriptions for any change for the better other than to continue to observe and wait.

Wait for what? What is everybody waiting for? Armed revolution? Nibiru? NESARA? The White Hats? Gaia to decide she's had enough and shake humanity off the earth like fleas?

We have a choice between two extremes. To sit back if you have the opportunity to affect that choice is a choice of life path that many make and that results in a continuing downward spiral of intent and outcome.

While the system we have SUCKS, and nobody here disputes that, if you have the chance to affect change and you don't take it that is your choice.

And for all of those who state that it is all pre-chosen, that's true only to the extent that the PTB attempt to affect voters choices by bombarding them with ads and other social media, as well as direct enforcement through peer and the employment structures.

As the elections in 2004 and 2008 showed, the voter manipulation can be assayed, as Carmody stated, if the difference and distance between the two candidates and the vote tallies is large enough.

Action is required for real change, not sitting back and watching.

An interesting take on it, my friend, thank you. Perhaps I read your post wrong,, You seem to assume that not voting means that I am sitting back, watching and complaining and doing nothing. So can I also assume that you think your vote means that you are DOING SOMETHING? or that now you have the right to COMPLAIN? or that you, too are not SITTING BACK AND WATCHING?. We have different diffintions of what a vote means. I believe opposite of you. I believe that you are giving up your power to those whos lives goals are to TAKE IT! Voting at the polls is not DOING SOMETHING. I am a soveriegn individual who does not give up his power. :) I am also a Native American who knows that no matter which president was elected that the Free Peoples of the American Tribes would still be treated the way they have. (That does not mean that I blame it on the people who voted back then,,,) I am saying that I do not vote, and I do not appologize. And that is perfectly valid, especially concerning the state of Devils that we have to choose from.

I am not even trying to say that you are wrong.

P.S. I do PLENTY (and always will) in this reality and beyond to help change the reality in front of us now.

Cheers, I trust that there are no hard feelings here,,, we are just ingaging the topic.. :)

Jake.

Rahkyt
26th October 2012, 18:17
Cheers, I trust that there are no hard feelings here,,, we are just ingaging the topic.. :)

Of course not. As I am writing, I am actually smiling a bit at the fact that I am on PA actually in a discussion on the "for" side regarding the merits of voting. LOL Something I never thought I'd do.

Alright then, thank you for the bit of personal information. I am African-American but do you think that Barack Obama being in office has made things better for black folk? I wrote an article about that a bit ago and the answer is hell to the no (http://rockeymoore.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/fear-of-a-black-potus-hope-and-change-in-obamas-america/), to quote the late Whitney Houston. Things have gotten much worse with no appeasement on the horizon.

The point is what Carmody expressed above, which I will quote in its entirety as it is so salient in today's political climate:


that is the subtle part. Send a message that votes can be dangerous if used, as opposed to not used.

Make it very hard to fake a Romney victory, as the situation is plain and simple. a Romney victory is a 'America goes directly to active full war' victory. it's the CIA/Nazi side of things directly in the white house, as opposed to someone who is forced to work with compromises and is compromised.

That is a big difference.

And when that is done, then get back to hammering the garbage that is occupying that office.

Switching to the "direct action/open action fascists" is a really bad idea..and not voting is a sure fire way to get there. For republicans always vote, it is the neutrals and the liberal types that always decide to protest --by not voting.

The numbers have to be high enough that it is difficult to lie about the vote turnout and the direction. it's like piling up 1000 pounds of sand, hoping that 1 pound of it will be recognized. But in this case, the alternative is worse.

Think about it. don't destroy the only stick that is holding things back, that is slowing things down...by trying to commit to the appearance of doing the right thing.


Fully blown open fascists in the presidential offices is a really bad thing. Seriously. Think about it. It's the difference between remote control by agreement and connection....vs direct full control, hands in and on the controls. It's possible to visualize it as something like the difference between a spymaster running things in the backdrop through subtlety, channels, agreement and cohersion... or a spymaster's best servant directly in the offices. A HUGE difference in effectiveness and capacity for forwarding agendas.

Now, also regarding non-voting, for those who are beyond the scope of engaging in political action due to spiritual purposes, that is another valid choice, as all choices are, be they in support of voting or not. The difference between these two candidates may not seem stark on the surface, but one will take us directly into a worse economic situation for the poor and downtrodden while the other is attempting to help stabilize the economic classes in this country which, granted, is concentrated on the middle-class, but that will at least allow some with the initiative and opportunity to gain that status to do so.

It's all a part of the same game, the same system, which is in need of radical change. But right now, as we are living in it, that radical change has not yet arrived and this election cycle the electorate is presented with a very stark choice.

A choice that voting can effect.

Eram
26th October 2012, 18:26
I don't vote either.

I choose to put my energies in things that matter to me and there are plenty of it. Things in which I can make a difference, like raising my kids to think for themselves and 'out of the box'.
Just trying to figure out which party (In Holland we have many) represents a few things that I believe in isn't worth the energy to me.

Will I be whipped by a yellow, a green or a red whip... no difference imo. It's still a whip.

The consciousness of humanity has to grow and we can not achieve that by voting for this or that party. On the contrary.
We as a human race have to wake up and tell our leaders: "Thank you for all the work that you have done in the past, but we'll take it from here"
..... and then we can become our own leaders and masters.

edit to add:
I pay my bills and I play the game to the extend that it will keep me out of trouble and harms way, but I don't buy into it with my beliefs and try to spend as little amount of energy to it as possible.

we-R-one
26th October 2012, 18:37
Rahkyt,

I appreciate your opinion, but you don't understand the legal system of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I'm not making fun of you as most don't. It wasn't until about 2 years ago that I had a good understanding myself and it's the very basis behind my thought process. You are not being given a choice in the presidential election, which is why I say it's an illusion to make people feel like they have a choice. The Republicans and Democrats are one in the same. They purposely generate whatever type of spin they want to try and make it convincing that they're the right man for the job....... You ask,

"Why would the republicans be trying so hard to disenfranchise so many people if it was an illusion?"

This is part of the illusion! They want you to believe this is real, pure and simple and since dollars are no issue, they can go to great lengths to achieve that perception. I don't think it's far fetched to say that they are most likely amused by our stupidity. It's a game to them, in which I imagine they enjoy playing very much, because they know the masses don't understand the very system which rules over them. We have been playing this game for years, not just here, but in other countries, and the only change we experience is being worse off than when we started.

Participating in the system is what keeps it alive. What you don't understand is your participation is needed for it to thrive, but more importantly, under the legal aspects, by participating, you are handing over LEGAL JURISDICTION, to the PTB. Participation is acquiescing. Those who participate are perpetuating the fraud and therefore are indirectly responsible for what's being handed down, though I imagine in a court of law they would argue and most likely win in proclaiming that you are fully responsible. Why? Because you're voluntarily participating in the system!...... Go back to the definition of GOVERNMENT DE FACTO.

To fellow forum members and guests, I will politely thank the posts on this thread out of the spirit of engaging in dialog and sharing thoughts, but that does not necessarily mean I agree with the viewpoints of all and that which has been posted. Kinda wish there was a different acknowledgement button instead.

Jake
26th October 2012, 18:38
one will take us directly into a worse economic situation for the poor and downtrodden while the other is attempting to help stabilize the economic classes

Both of them will take us directly into a worse economic situation for the poor and downtrodden while telling you exactly what you want to hear. This is where we disagree, meethinks. You believe that radical change will be brought upon us by a vote?! You believe that radical change will brought to us via whoever wins an election?!

HA!

Radical change must come from the PEOPLE, not its government. You cannot expect an elected official to change a power structure that got them into power!! It isn't going to happen, no matter who is elected. Radical change must happen in the hearts of the communities and the peoples of the country, and of the world, for that matter. The American system of government DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!! I speak out every chance I get,, I grow a garden,, I volenteer at the local food bank,, I work in an organic orchard,, I have written a book about what it is that I believe, (Government/Religion/Science etc..) and I scream it from the rooftops! You cannot tell me that because I do not vote, that this world, our country, my community, and my family are not a bit better off, based on what I ACTUALLY DO!!!

I do admire you for your faith in the system. I have long since gotten over that. :) It is not the government that is going to save us...

we-R-one
26th October 2012, 18:45
The difference between these two candidates may not seem stark on the surface, but one will take us directly into a worse economic situation for the poor and downtrodden while the other is attempting to help stabilize the economic classes in this country which, granted, is concentrated on the middle-class, but that will at least allow some with the initiative and opportunity to gain that status to do so.


A choice that voting can effect.

You really believe that? Where's my gong sound effects, lol. Are you a dual citizen? As I see you're from Canada. These guys talk out of the sides of their mouth making promise after promise and never delivering. Why? Because they have no intention of delivering! HELLLOOOOOO

I know this quote is over-used, but it fits perfect into this scenario...."The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results!"

We are going downhill no matter who gets in office, because the PRESIDENT, is not running the show! The banking cartel, the one who holds the purse strings, and therefore is the one who's in control.

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 18:49
a vote for Romney is a vote to stay dependent on Oil...

oil men destroyed my life when I applied for a free energy Grant...

silly me thought powering our cars with wind was good for our future.

I applied for a $50K grant which is all it would have taken to put it together...

within 2 weeks, I received notices from IRS and the state that I now owed $70K...

they buried me to prevent me from moving forward.

the investors that came forward to invest, were threatened with death...

all this conspiracy talk really isn't, I have it all in black and white

the world is passing America by thank to the Bush clan...

electing Romney will set us back another 50 years...

the Republicans have been terrified from watching news, by those in control of the media who support big oil...

when oil men say we need more money, stories roll across the news, knowing investors reactions will be instant...

we're being played...

Obama has oil men and bankers pissed...

that's all I need to know

Not voting because you have been spun by media and can't decide between knowing what is right and what is being told, is a failure of democracy...

do you want Bush running this country again?

17 of the advisors he used have already been chosen by Romney, it isn't hard to see he offers no change...

he thinks Bernanke has done a great Job...

he wants to open our Parks, our National Treasures to oil men, knowing the thousands of wells capped right now, they refuse to pump until prices rise.

I'm not worried about Ahmadinejad, he isn't going to stop the flow of middle east oil...

but ol Bush will...

I have 10 wind generators ready to swing up over my home to power the neighborhood...

the sooner we walk away from the need for oil, the sooner changes, and I mean real ones, will happen...

Rahkyt
26th October 2012, 18:56
I appreciate your opinion, but you don't understand the legal system of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I'm not making fun of you as most don't. It wasn't until about 2 years ago that I had a good understanding myself and it's the very basis behind my thought process. You are not being given a choice in the presidential election, which is why I say it's an illusion to make people feel like they have a choice. The Republicans and Democrats are one in the same. They purposely generate whatever type of spin they want to try and make it convincing that they're the right man for the job.......

Thank you for your response, we-R-one! I've spent quite a bit of time looking at the sovereignty movement and the United States as a corporation, I understand that BO is the CEO and all that good stuff. I also understand the citizenship issues implicit in the co-optation of the 14th amendment and how being immersed in the system is implicit collusion with the system. I've also spent a lot of time looking at legal remedies, listening to videos and reading documents pertaining to what the US is and what our options are as individuals seeking to exist outside of the structure of this system. My response to all that:

1) I have a social security #

2) I have a legal fiction, a strawman

3) I have debt and an existence that is firmly within the auspices of the system

4) the US political and economic structure actively refute sovereign remedies, going so far as to break their own laws in order to do so.

Since all of that is the case, and we are living here, we are, again, immersed within the system while we are physically present within the nation and living and abiding by its legal structures, which means that, until a viable alternative becomes available, we are nominally and practically a part of the system.

It's each person's right to decide whether or not to engage the legal fiction and participate or not, as stated twice previously, all choices are valid, to vote or not, to sit out for spiritual or sovereign reasons, or whatever.

My point is that choosing the heads or tails side of the coin does make a difference in the short run. For most people within the system, until there is a viable alternative, this is all that we have unless we choose not to participate. To choose Romney is to choose to support the upper middle-class and the wealthy and their well-being. If you are in the middle-class or the lower-class you are not serving your own interests by choosing him. You are also not serving the interests of those who have chosen to be soldiers nor are you serving the interests of those in the middle class who belong to unions or enjoy any form of collective bargaining. By making that choice - by voting for Romney or not voting at all - the choice is being made to allow the apparently prefered candidate, Romney, to go ahead and take office and take things from bad to worse in record time. With Obama, it will take longer perhaps, but the end result - according to the machinations of the elite - will be the same. A country and world under total control run by Oligarchs who leech the wealth of the world for their own enjoyment.

Now, in support of your point, I totally agree that non-participation is the weapon that the populace does have that will finally end the domination of the elite and cause the system itself to fail. Non-participation serves the elite until a 100th monkey effect occurs, wherein the masses of the people choose, collectively and at the same time, not to participate.

Perhaps this election cycle will cause that to happen. It certainly has the potential to do so, especially since these are the times of consciousness raising. Since that is the case, it is also the time of mass mobilization as well. All that it will take to set that off is for the lived situations of a large proportion of the American electorate to lose whatever economic stability they may have, and that time cannot be too far off.

The system is fixed, in that, both parties are in support of the system. One party is inclusive while the other is not. One party is attempting to create a more broad-based foundation for inclusion and participation because the fact that it has not been so ever in its history is in large part the primary reason why the system cannot survive these times. The other party is attempting to consolidate the privilege of a population that is no longer in the majority by hook or crook.

For a large number of people to sit back and wait it out as a conscious strategy of contributing to the inevitable downfall of the entire system is probably one that will cause the more extreme potentialities to manifest sooner rather than later.



I do admire you for your faith in the system. I have long since gotten over that. :) It is not the government that is going to save us...

I have no faith in the system, nor do I believe that radical change will come from the system. As you state, it will come from the people. My posts and experiences across this forum reflect that.

I just want the world to be as stable as possible for just a bit longer so more people can wake up and we can gain the necessary cascade of consciousness necessary for that radical change to occur.


You really believe that? Where's my gong sound effects, lol. Are you a dual citizen? As I see you're from Canada.

I'm an American citizen.


We are going downhill no matter who gets in office, because the PRESIDENT, is not running the show! The banking cartel, the one who holds the purse strings, and therefore is the one who's in control.

So let's let the war-mongering psychopath who wants to go to war with Iran asap into office right now so we who have chosen to delve deeper into the political and economic realities of the world can say "I told you so" to the "sheeple" who actually believe the governments actually make the decisions themselves, right? Or, if not that, so we can buckle down and save ourselves while the greater majority of the country goes to hell in a handbasket?

But we're about there now, aren't we.

A valid strategy, I suppose. For me, it's not about that. It's about the most people possible having the opportunity to awaken to the deeper realities. The longer total system failure can be postponed and the American people given the chance to see the error of their ways, the better.

Under a Romney presidency that will not be long at all.

Jake
26th October 2012, 19:12
Hello, Rocky! You had me at:

a vote for Romney is a vote to stay dependent on Oil...


You lost me at:


Obama has oil men and bankers pissed...

that's all I need to know


We all, clearly, have different definitions of what it means, or why, we vote. (or don't)

Pissing the oil companies off can be done by NOT filling up your tank,, (or endeavoring to live a lifestyle accordingly) or by not using petroleum based products of all sorts... Voting for Obama to piss off the oil companies? Good one. And while he is off in front of the camaras, pissing off the oil companies,,, he takes time to make sure he is taking away our basic rights, when we are not looking..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42713-President-Obama-Signs---Anti-Protest---Bill-H.R.-347-End-of-FREE-speech

I am not a supporter of ANY OF THEM,,, THEY ARE ALL PUPPETS, BEING CONTROLLED BY A HIDDEN HAND, AND WILL NOT LIFT A FINGER TO SAVE YOU!!!

That is my take on it... Vote for whoever you want to,,, it is not going to change things... YOU have to change things...

This discussion marks the only one that I have had this entire election season. So now I take my leave...

Cheers folks. We are all on the right side!!! Its why I love Avalon.

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 19:24
well a no vote is giving up and saying oil men and bankers deserve to run the country...

it is your choice, but in my eyes a sad one...

Carmody
26th October 2012, 19:33
well a no vote is giving up and saying oil men and bankers deserve to run the country...

it is your choice, but in my eyes a sad one...

Essentially, Jake, it's all about pushing the front lines back a few miles and changing the crew that is 'coming at you' with regard to immediate intent to harm and act. By just a hair. Some minor aspects of a breathing space. it's not about voting, whatsoever.

One way i explained it to a friend:

The Bush/Nazi clan want to kill you without notice or concern. They want to shoot you in the back of the head, unawares as possible. As a matter of fact..that is what they are doing. take notice.

The Rothschild group, want to sit down at a table, open up some papers.... and discuss with you about how you are going to die...and they are moving forward, as well.


Take your pick.

we-R-one
26th October 2012, 19:34
that is the subtle part. Send a message that votes can be dangerous if used, as opposed to not used.

Make it very hard to fake a Romney victory, as the situation is plain and simple. a Romney victory is a 'America goes directly to active full war' victory. it's the CIA/Nazi side of things directly in the white house, as opposed to someone who is forced to work with compromises and is compromised.

That is a big difference.

This will never happen... because the elections are rigged and they can/will control the outcome, so this will have little bearing. See Bev Harris on you tube. She just did an excellent interview on the Alex Jones show. She invesitgates voter fraud, www.blackboxvoting.org. If you don't believe me, take a look at her work and decide from there.

I don't see what your proposing ever coming to light because our votes are being counted by a company in Spain, owned by George Soros. Google his name if you don't know who he is. Additionally, it is my understanding that the Romney Family Trust has ties to a voting machine company...why is that? Coudn't one say that's a conflict of interest?


Switching to the "direct action/open action fascists" is a really bad idea..and not voting is a sure fire way to get there. For republicans always vote, it is the neutrals and the liberal types that always decide to protest --by not voting.

We're headed there now whether we want to or not. I hate to say it, but you will never get the people all to not vote and you'll never get all the people to vote in the manner which you think they should vote

The numbers have to be high enough that it is difficult to lie about the vote turnout and the direction. it's like piling up 1000 pounds of sand, hoping that 1 pound of it will be recognized. But in this case, the alternative is worse.

Wishful thinking if one of the PTB didn't have the control over counting the votes, soooo, not gonna happen.


My comments are in bold with a couple of your points that I don't agree with.Not sure if you are aware of the voter fraud taking place and how our votes are being counted.

Carmody
26th October 2012, 19:36
Still not getting it, I see.

That's ok, neither did I. it took me a few years.

It's all about making a lie harder to propagate, in order to slow the agenda down.

Nothing more.

Jake
26th October 2012, 19:38
well a no vote is giving up and saying oil men and bankers deserve to run the country...

it is your choice, but in my eyes a sad one...

If only there were a NO vote,,, I might vote again. And,, the sadness that you feel is your own. Also, I do not beleive that ANYONE deserves to RUN the country.

As long as we're on the subject,, You wanna know what I told my kids when they asked me why I don't vote? I explained it to them like this,,

So you go to a restaurant and there are no menus. Instead the waiter brings out 2 different plates of food. Choose one,,, One is doggy doo doo,, and the other is kitty doo doo!!!

Q: Which do you choose?
A: Neither damn one!!

Again, this discussion is about who is running for president. You might find me on the other side of the coin if we were to discuss local politics. I never said that I didn't vote, altogether. But the presidential election is a joke! It is a dog and pony show to see who gets to represent the 'hidden hand'.

DeBron
26th October 2012, 19:40
I guess I just scratch my head because I have actual family members who didn't always have the right to vote. Their very existence was counted as frivolous by those who had political power. Eventually by demonstrating their worth they earned their right to vote. Now people feel that things don't change the way they want it to then they do away with their right.

"It doesn't matter anyway" they say, "They are all against me and just want money"


I was told, people who don't have to fight for anything will let people walk all over them, and that is what I feel is happening.

If you want change you MUST be heard. I am not saying go occupy a park and complain without ceasing. Get together and do something that they will understand. They listen to money. So get your money together and remove it from them. Let them know you are removing it(or not if you dont want retaliation)

Just know that it will be hard, burdensome and you may not reap the benefits, but those who come after might.


People hear about the Montgomery bus boycott. Black people wanted to be able to ride any seat on the bus. The law said no.
So they didn't ride the bus. They organized car pools, and got taxi drivers to pick each other up and sort out rides by neighborhoods. This was a taxing, and inconvenient method, which took over a year for the established powers to do something.

People do things like not buy gas for one day. What good does that do? Nothing. It is one day, and you make up for it the next day.

But I digress...... voting is one step. You are saying I want this person to represent me. The next step is to tell them what you want. Then repeat step 2, daily if necessary by previously stated methods.

........Alright, let me handle some more of this foster care business.


Smile........joy is souls sustenance....feed yourself some :dance:

we-R-one
26th October 2012, 19:41
http://www.infowars.com/more-reasons-to-not-vote/

"Does the man who asks for your vote find you your job, does he provide your family with food and shelter, does he put clothes on your back, does he provide the education you need . . . does he even bother to see that you get a decent burial? The only time he is concerned about you is when you can make money for him. No matter how little you make he wants part of it"

"From childhood you were taught that it is right and just to delegate your powers to someone else. You never questioned it because everything you are taught in school has one purpose: the glorification of your country. Somehow, though it is your country, you seem to have no part in it until the time comes to surrender your life.

Rahkyt
26th October 2012, 19:42
It's all about making a lie harder to propagate, in order to slow the agenda down.

Nothing more.

This can be the difference between millions of people achieving awakening or not. Every moment counts.

Once things go downhill to the extent that the extreme economic privation and violence begin, this cheery existence we currently enjoy - even with our problems - will be remembered as paradise by comparison.

It also allows more time for NESARA, the White Hats, Nibiru or the savior of your choice to intervene and perhaps shift things toward a more positive outcome, if those are among the things some of us "awakened" are waiting for.

we-R-one
26th October 2012, 19:46
Doesn't work Carmody when the votes are being rigged. There's nothing to get....what you should get is they're not going to let you get in the way of their agenda, they'll propogate whatever outcome they want as it's all ready been done for years.

=[Post Update]=

this election, if it even happens will be no different

DeBron
26th October 2012, 19:47
Oh and bloodlines........we are all cousins so that can be used for all people who have ever existed. We literally are all cousins.

So I expect to see you all at Thanksgiving, or at the party I am throwing on December 24(not for christmas...my wife's birthday is the 24th)

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 19:50
well a no vote is giving up and saying oil men and bankers deserve to run the country...

it is your choice, but in my eyes a sad one...

If only there were a NO vote,,, I might vote again. And,, the sadness that you feel is your own. Also, I do not beleive that ANYONE deserves to RUN the country.

As long as we're on the subject,, You wanna know what I told my kids when they asked me why I don't vote? I explained it to them like this,,

So you go to a restaurant and there are no menus. Instead the waiter brings out 2 different plates of food. Choose one,,, One is doggy doo doo,, and the other is kitty doo doo!!!

Q: Which do you choose?
A: Neither damn one!!

Again, this discussion is about who is running for president. You might find me on the other side of the coin if we were to discuss local politics. I never said that I didn't vote, altogether. But the presidential election is a joke! It is a dog and pony show to see who gets to represent the 'hidden hand'.

the reason I say it is sad, is because 99% of US is Democrat...

the only way Republican's can win, is by sending those out to do what you are doing, convincing those who should be voting not to...

same with George Green...

buy gold and run for the hills, while his rich banker buddies sit around the club house laughing at how so many will listen...

not me, a no vote is admission of defeat...

you don't want to decide between Candidates, then Write in Rocky Shorz...

really piss em off... ;)

we-R-one
26th October 2012, 19:50
Cue it up to 46min. and listen to what David has investigated, 22 years worth I believe...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKNjADTjZNU

we-R-one
26th October 2012, 19:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMqWFIslwM0

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 20:05
first day in office, the first thing I will do is fire every adviser...

I'd shut the Federal Reserve

I'd launch money cards out to everyone, that can only buy American.

I would immediately create state run banks, and get the presses rolling kicking out greenbacks to cover what is on the buy American cards.

I would Freeze the stock market and take commodities down so they couldn't be manipulated

Investors, could no longer gain or lose, companies would offer dividends to investors...

I would take back America's oil from the Cartels and make federal refineries so this craziness that just happened in California would never happen again...

I would mass produce Free energy inventions and send it out to everyone for their retirement income, no longer a need for Social Security

I would Cap Social Security so those with over a million in the bank didn't receive government handouts.

if a company wants to be American, then they pay taxes on what is on shore and off

I'd dump the IRS and move it to a flat tax eliminating all loopholes...

and on the second day would be shot, but what a run... ;)

sdv
26th October 2012, 20:08
Just an outsider point of view:

I have seen pople like Romney in the business world. They have only one agenda - to increase profits paid to shareholders. They will do anything, support anything, say anything to achieve that goal. They do not care about quality, ethics or people (acceptable collateral damage). Any core beliefs they have are used to serve personal ego, once they have power. They are all about presentation and manipulation. They will betray anyone and everything if it will gain wealth for shareholders and gain wealth for ego and self.

To not vote is to step aside and let the Romney agenda take power in the USA.

To vote for Romney is to enrich yourself by aliging yourself with this use of power (I am not condemning because there have been moments when I have done this in business so I know what the rewards are).

To vote for an independent or spoil your vote does not count at all (you have no voice and are not heard) unless you can do so in significant numbers and then mobilise a movement of transformation from this base. There are brave people out there choosing this option so the seed has been sown. The seed will not flourish if it is not watered and fertilised (fed) and given the energy of light.

Maybe this election is simply about stopping Rlmney from taking control, and then you have the breathing space of four years to water, feed, and give light to transformation!

Jake
26th October 2012, 20:14
well a no vote is giving up and saying oil men and bankers deserve to run the country...

it is your choice, but in my eyes a sad one...

If only there were a NO vote,,, I might vote again. And,, the sadness that you feel is your own. Also, I do not beleive that ANYONE deserves to RUN the country.

As long as we're on the subject,, You wanna know what I told my kids when they asked me why I don't vote? I explained it to them like this,,

So you go to a restaurant and there are no menus. Instead the waiter brings out 2 different plates of food. Choose one,,, One is doggy doo doo,, and the other is kitty doo doo!!!

Q: Which do you choose?
A: Neither damn one!!

Again, this discussion is about who is running for president. You might find me on the other side of the coin if we were to discuss local politics. I never said that I didn't vote, altogether. But the presidential election is a joke! It is a dog and pony show to see who gets to represent the 'hidden hand'.

the reason I say it is sad, is because 99% of US is Democrat...

the only way Republican's can win, is by sending those out to do what you are doing, convincing those who should be voting not to...

same with George Green...

buy gold and run for the hills, while his rich banker buddies sit around the club house laughing at how so many will listen...

not me, a no vote is admission of defeat...

you don't want to decide between Candidates, then Write in Rocky Shorz...

really piss em off... ;)

Man, you got it.. If I ever vote again,, it will be for Rocky Shorz!

I gotta play devils advocate here. Only about 54% of Americans even voted in the last presidential election. Of those, only about 52% of the popular vote was for the Democrat. Technically,, Barely over a quarter of the US is Democrat. :) http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php

You have to try and imagine,, not everyone is a republican, or a democrat. Not by a long shot. The number of people who didn't vote outnumber those who voted for democrat or republican by almost TWICE the amount of people. :eek:

The concept of voting was established before the two party system, which is controlled and manipulated today.

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 20:18
those are the percentage of Registered voters that vote...

I used to laugh hearing a relative, at election time, going on about everybody being an idiot for not voting for his canddate, how bad the other one was and the system being so corrupt...

one time I asked who he voted for and he got quiet for a moment...

and said he never had...

Jake
26th October 2012, 20:27
those are the percentage of Registered voters that vote...

I used to laugh hearing a relative, at election time, going on about everybody being an idiot for not voting for his canddate, how bad the other one was and the system being so corrupt...

one time I asked who he voted for and he got quiet for a moment...

and said he never had...

'jake chuckles' I recently talked to a gal who looked me right in the face and said that she is going to vote for Obama because he is going to free the slaves! I also recently talked to someone who is going to vote for romney because Larry the Cable guy said to!

What a doggle!!!!!

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 20:33
well freeing slaves from the 1% is what we are moving towards...

our shackles are invisible, but look at everyone heading to work each day and you'll see the chains dragging along behind them...

the money wheel keeps grinding and those who rate their lives by how much stuff they have, or what investments they hold, are strapped to the wheel...

those at the top are promised riches, so even though they have everything, they keep struggling to have more, suddenly they are on their death bed and realized their whole life has passed by and they accomplished nothing...

Maia Gabrial
26th October 2012, 20:36
Pass the word to everyone: Write in RON PAUL on the ballot. And JESSE VENTURA as VP.... We don't have to play their games, do we?

Jake
26th October 2012, 20:39
well freeing slaves from the 1% is what we are moving towards...

our shackles are invisible, but look at everyone heading to work each day and you'll see the chains dragging along behind them...

the money wheel keeps grinding and those who rate their lives by how much stuff they have, or what investments they hold, are strapped to the wheel...

those at the top are promised riches, so even though they have everything, they keep struggling to have more, suddenly they are on their death bed and realized their whole life has passed by and they accomplished nothing...

Of course, but this is not what she was talking about. it was a very young, naive girl. It was a bit embarrasing. Yet, I digress...

ROCKY SHORS FOR PRESIDENT!!! :usa2:

Fred Steeves
26th October 2012, 20:40
I'm rather stunned that there is still any debate on this forum about who is better, the Democrats or Republicans. REALLY? It's like someone offering you the choice every 4 years of being succor punched with the right hook, or the left hook. I'm in the direction of my favorite line from the Crosby Stills Nash and Young classic "Ohio": "We're finally on our own". People, we ARE on our own, and anyone who thinks that what happened at Kent State only happens under the likes of a Nixon the Republican, and not under the likes of an Obama the Democrat, suffers under a tremendous delusion.

I've proudly voted every year since '88. 2 years ago I was not going to do it for the first time ever, but I gave in at the last minute and did anyway. That was the final time I will make the mistake of offering my energy to "the process", in that manner atleast. We either solve our own problems, or no one else will, especially lying politicians.(LOL)

YnOoNM0U6oc

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 20:48
well freeing slaves from the 1% is what we are moving towards...

our shackles are invisible, but look at everyone heading to work each day and you'll see the chains dragging along behind them...

the money wheel keeps grinding and those who rate their lives by how much stuff they have, or what investments they hold, are strapped to the wheel...

those at the top are promised riches, so even though they have everything, they keep struggling to have more, suddenly they are on their death bed and realized their whole life has passed by and they accomplished nothing...

Of course, but this is not what she was talking about. it was a very young, naive girl. It was a bit embarrasing. Yet, I digress...

ROCKY SHORS FOR PRESIDENT!!! :usa2:

spelled with a Z... there is only one in the world... I don't want to get the other 3 in trouble... ;)

part of our job is to share with the younger generations what modern slavery is, and who are the Masters...

Occupy Wall Street did an incredible job of opening the eyes of everyone to what is going on, the 99% are standing in the center getting yanked back and forth by a handful at both extremes...

this is our world, please step aside...

the far right has dissolved over the last year, it is amazing a lot of people...

as more and more have become poor, the left side is growing...

so many 1% wanna be's have had their lives destroyed, and then realize they are happier than they have ever been...


suddenly the family and friends they had no time for while on the wheel, become all that really matters...

we should all be thanking the 1% for opening our eyes...

GrnEggsNHam
26th October 2012, 20:57
As a child I hoped all these loons would be dead and their foolish agendas long gone by the time I was of age to do anything. Well that time has come and gone and I've been stagnant so far. I'm trying my best to stick it out here alongside the corruption I grew up with. I want to believe my generation will make a difference. These powers are worthless without us the "minions". The younger generations can see this, believe me. I dare say this will not go on for another 10 years. Progress can be made a few ways and this happens to be one grave at a time.

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 21:08
kids know how to go viral, one hears and knows and sends, within an hour messages repeated a million times...

they want to control the net, but those who know how it runs, won't let it happen...

I was an engineer when the internet was created, it was a battle between Big Blue and PCs...

Big blue gave total control over the system, putting the power on everyone's desk took it away

this is an evolution meant to be happening...

if they unplug the net, it will amaze everyone when the communications move to a medium with no control... thoughts...

with the net up they can at least keep an eye on what is happening, they are terrified of the unknown...

sunnyrap
26th October 2012, 21:54
I appreciate all your research-sharing, We-R... How can we write in big letters on the ballot: 'I vote to remove all 437 members and have them replaced with the following (list supplied)? Oh, and also repeal the offending term definitions, repeal 90% of the Homeland Security and bogus Executive Orders passed in the past 8-10 years... Brooks Agnew has a pretty good plan for a peaceful re-takeover of our government: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/prophecykeepers/2012/10/24/prophecykeepers-radio--dr-brooks-agnew--intelligent-design

we-R-one
27th October 2012, 00:20
Sunnyrap,

Please visit www.goooh.com and you can discover there how the system works. It's more in depth than just writing in names, I'm presume you're kidding with your remarks above. If you have the opportunity, seek out a mock session in your area ....it truly is a unique process in which I found to be quite empowering, but it will not happen overnight and it's not a fix all. Additionally it needs the efforts of "the people" in order for it to work. Which means, people need to get off their arses and participate. Personally, I believe it's the perfect system after the buffoons are removed out of office to help maintain transparency once the country of the United States is returned back to a Republic.

The problem is, people don't want to do the work, they want the results, with minimum efforts. Most are still in messiah mode and not capable of thinking for themselves as that is how they've been programmed. Change will not happen until more step forward and get their hands dirty. Pick something, anything...just pick a cause and stick with it.

And though I continue to participate in solution oriented programs as part of my 3D existence, I do not believe that is where "the solution" lies.

I'm merely a messenger on here sharing what I have discovered, so others can peruse over the information easily with little time invested, which is unlike what I had to do to get to the truth. I've posted links and data supporting the basis of my opinion...Many on here, though they are allowed to have their own opinion, are not supporting their thought process with anything tangible that convinces me what they're saying is the correct avenue. I see no cleverness, sorry, but I don't....I have to ask, if what's being said is so smart, why hasn't it been achieved?

When you have a corrupt system, it's just about impossible to change the outcome when those in charge have control of all your options. Making things worse, once you understand the legal system, it becomes painfully obvious that the courts under color of law were not set up to defend you, but rather strip you of your rights, meaning you are left with little to no recourse to balance the playing field. And because they have legal jurisdiction over you, there is little one can do when they do not understand how to properly represent themselves, and that is what "they're" counting on and the reason behind such a complex system. Even still, if you knew how to represent yourself, they have cleverly arranged to not follow their own laws.

The system is so rigged, I think some are kidding themselves if they think their vote in the presidential election has any value. In fact, earlier as we were tossing thoughts back and forth someone posted a short 5min. video about Romney's family owning a voting machine company in several states..... further reinforcing what I eluded to earlier in one of my posts. See here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51342-Romney-Family-Owns-Voting-Machines-Is-This-Right

gripreaper
27th October 2012, 01:34
I can't believe I just read this entire thread.

First, we must stand in proper context so that we can filter out thoughts through the truth of "what is"

The notions of nationalism, political parties, choices for the populace, currency, assets, economics, freedom, liberty, etc. are just created symbols used to control and manipulate the masses.

Sorry to break it to ya, but none of these exist. These notions are just elite snake oil salesmen freak circus side show distractions from the truth of how things really are, and have no relevance in the bigger picture.

we-R-one and Fred are closest to the truth in this thread. What can we do to effect change? Not vote. If everybody said FU and refused to vote, the elite would get the message that we "get the game" and we don't want to play anymore.

So, what brand of fascism will you advocate? Republocrats and Democrans are all bought and paid for by the elite and need to be removed. There is not an ounce of difference between the two.

gripreaper
28th October 2012, 02:57
AWWW, how sweet. The photo ops right before the election include the "holding of babies" to show how family oriented they are:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/28/article-2224251-15B83F76000005DC-460_634x517.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/27/article-0-15B73AC9000005DC-958_634x712.jpg

Someone please gag me with a spoon.

we-R-one
28th October 2012, 03:07
AWWW, how sweet. The photo ops right before the election include the "holding of babies" to show how family oriented they are...Someone please gag me with a spoon.

Now, now gripreaper, surely these photos must "move" you enough to cast your vote? Let's see, both pictures are pretty convincing don't you say?.....

I know!!!!....whichever one holds the baby who's diaper is full of the most **** gets my vote, what do you say? Anyone else? :baby:

gripreaper
28th October 2012, 03:15
AWWW, how sweet. The photo ops right before the election include the "holding of babies" to show how family oriented they are...Someone please gag me with a spoon.

Now, now gripreaper, surely these photos must "move" you enough to cast your vote? Let's see, both pictures are pretty convincing don't you say?.....I know, whichever one holds the baby who's diaper is full of the most **** gets my vote, what do you say? Anyone else?

As you well know we-R-one, any elite globalist narcissistic reptilian pedophile murderous war monger and their fascist puppets have no sway with me, no matter what type of colored snake oil BS they're peddling.

Sorry to be so blunt, but there is no choice in choosing the corporate CEO of the globalist's bankrupt corporation known as the UNITED STATES, INC. Only the board of directors who hold all of the preferred shares and are the beneficiaries of the bankrupted trust in receivership, and all of the assets hypothecated to them along with all future labor, in perpetuity, under the declared perpetual military state of emergency and the laws of Admiralty, have any say in what happens.

we-R-one
28th October 2012, 03:18
Silly,,,did you really think I was serious? lmao

gripreaper
28th October 2012, 03:22
Silly,,,did you really think I was serious? lmao

No, of course not. Just am not a fan of using emoticons as I hope my energy comes through.

You are one of the very few who has done the research and has "walked the walk" and "talked the talk" in this massive rabbit hole of sovereignty and the implications of nationalism and representative government.

I really appreciate your support and your candid sharing of your truth. You have much to offer this community.

we-R-one
28th October 2012, 03:34
wow, gripreaper....that is very kind, thank you. I try very hard to share as much information as possible so others can have the opportunity to grow from what I have learned...I take a lot of heat for playing the role of the messenger. Having people like you walking alongside me, makes it all the more bearable, especially when my messages aren't what some want to hear. :hug:

Wind
28th October 2012, 04:10
The whole world is watching the US elections. It is entertainment for the masses, nothing else.

Most of humanity is clueless about the more important matters at hand, but that is the collective story of humanity at this time. However, there is nothing to worry about. All of us are part of this great drama, but it is nothing more than a show. All of us are the actors and the stars of our own lives. We are here to learn and experience. Once we understand the true meaning of love we will evolve. Everything is spiritual.

gripreaper
13th November 2012, 07:00
Might need to rethink this one if not voting is this dangerous.

http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-woman-runs-down-husband-car-not-voting-045426220.html

Calz
13th November 2012, 07:26
Need a "good reason" to vote ... ??? :lever:

*** adding *** Oooops ... looks like I need a "good reason" to look closer at previous posts as well :nerd:

__________________________


Cops: Ariz. woman runs over husband for not voting

GILBERT, Ariz. Police say a woman who was upset over the outcome of the presidential election ran over her husband because he didn't participate in his civic duty.

Holly Solomon, 28, chased her 36-year-old husband Daniel Solomon with the family Jeep SUV on Saturday night over a political argument stemming from the fact he didn't vote, CBS station KPHO in Phoenix, Ariz. reported. She pinned him between the underside of the SUV and the curb when he tried to run for help.

The husband told investigators that Solomon believed her family was going to face hardship from President Barack Obama's re-election.

Witnesses told police that Solomon followed her husband in her car through a parking lot while screaming at him. He hid behind a light pole to protect himself while Solomon circled several times. She struck him as he tried to make a break for the main road.

There were no signs Solomon was impaired either by alcohol or drugs, KPHO said.

She was booked on an aggravated assault and domestic violence.

Her husband remains in critical condition at Scottsdale Healthcare Osborn Medical Center, news outlet Arizona Republic reported.

It's not clear whether Solomon has a lawyer. She had no listed phone number.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57548600/cops-ariz-woman-runs-over-husband-for-not-voting/?tag=contentAux;mostPopular