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Hip Hipnotist
26th October 2012, 20:34
As a working hypnotist/hypnotherapist I've not ( so far ) been requested to hypnotise someone into killing someone else.

Can it be accomplished?

In one word...

Yes.

However, in my humble/professional opinion, it would take a lot more than just hypnosis to pull it off. Toss in a dash of drugs, torture, sleep deprivation, the presidential debates ( oh, that is torture ) etc. and wella -- an honest to goodness manchurian candidate.

But it's a lot easier and more reliable to set up a 'stooge' ( name your most recent favorite -- and I don't mean Larry, Moe or Curly Joe ) then have the professional(s) do the 'hit'. We've seen it before, we'll see it again.

If hypnosis alone were that powerful ( to get someone to do something completely out of character ) (( not like quitting smoking or eating less )) then there would be a hell-of-a-lot more dead people.

This should be an interesting show ( notice I didn't use the word, 'program' ;-) coming up this weekend. Too bad I don't own a television.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2223571/TV-test-innocent-people-turned-brainwashed-assassins.html

Corncrake
26th October 2012, 20:57
While I am always a bit twitchy when I see something in the Daily Mail, I would like to see this. There have been a few interesting threads on this subject on Avalon such as Limor's 'The mentalists - Can they do the 'undoable' ?' you may wish to check out. Derren Brown - the UK hypnotist - gets many mentions too and I watched him conduct a Manchurian Candidate type experiment that was frighteningly plausible - I would stress here that he is very careful to select someone who is highly susceptible.
Check out his website http://derrenbrown.co.uk/ I would also add that I have never been aware of drugs being involved in these experiments.

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 21:18
add the NeuroSky headset to intelligent students studying Neurology and psyop specialist to keep them controlled and you end up with...

attacks in Theaters, Islands, schools and public places, going Postal has become an art of the controllers...

so shouldn't have to wonder too long to know the answer is yes...

many who are spiritual in tune with their minds, suddenly feel headaches, as the pain builds, very few realize a Hacker trying to pound a round peg in a square hole is happening...

Gather the pain into a ball of energy, squeeze it as tight as you can creating a fusion effect, then release with a psychic scream, tearing the minds up of the attackers...


I love Jelly donuts... ;)

Jayke
26th October 2012, 21:27
Hypnosis has always been used to get people to kill each other. Look at the mass hypnosis of 9/11, use shock induction tactics, install a strong enough motivating belief system, put guns in hands of soldiers, everyone gives the thumbs up to go in and invade a country then hardly anyone thinks twice about killing hundreds of thousands of people. Soldiers have to be indoctrinated into believing killing is ok. It's for the right purpose, for the mission, for the country. Get someone to believe it's the right thing to do and they'll willingly risk their life while slaughtering others.

This more overt form of hypnosis tends to go under the radar though because it's just how we interact with our world. People take for granted that hypnosis is being used on them and they just see it as ordinary life, indoctrinated from an early age to be accustomed to it. Install the right belief system and the right motivating forces and you can get people to do the most atrocious acts of inhumanity through their own free will. The same way all religious zealots have operated over the past couple millennia.

The most insidious hypnosis is done while people are fully alert and awake, all thoughts are hypnotic in nature, doesn't matter if you're deep in the basement of trance or having a conversation with friends. The subconscious belief system can be accessed and altered pretty easily. The idea that we have to be hypnotised to be influenced is just a warm safety blanket concept designed to make people think they can't be hypnotised out of trance. A misdirection technique.

So yeah throw in the ritual of trance, the drugs, the early childhood trauma, the other MK ultra techniques and you can make yourself the perfect patsy assassin, although in the tv show it'll no doubt fail in creating that assassin, got to make the people feel as though their minds are safe from corruptible influences.

Tony
26th October 2012, 21:41
While I am always a bit twitchy when I see something in the Daily Mail, I would like to see this. There have been a few interesting threads on this subject on Avalon such as Limor's 'The mentalists - Can they do the 'undoable' ?' you may wish to check out. Derren Brown - the UK hypnotist - gets many mentions too and I watched him conduct a Manchurian Candidate type experiment that was frighteningly plausible - I would stress here that he is very careful to select someone who is highly susceptible.
Check out his website http://derrenbrown.co.uk/ I would also add that I have never been aware of drugs being involved in these experiments.




It's interesting you should mention Derren Brown. Tonight he just started a series of programmes, convincing someone that a meteor has hit the earth, cutting out all communications, and spreading a virus! He's been reading this forum too much!!!


His tactics show how easy it is to make people believe anything. The good news is, he is doing it to make the person...unselfish. It's very elaborate.




Tony

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 21:56
Hypnosis has always been used to get people to kill each other. Look at the mass hypnosis of 9/11, use shock induction tactics, install a strong enough motivating belief system, put guns in hands of soldiers, everyone gives the thumbs up to go in and invade a country then hardly anyone thinks twice about killing hundreds of thousands of people. Soldiers have to be indoctrinated into believing killing is ok. It's for the right purpose, for the mission, for the country. Get someone to believe it's the right thing to do and they'll willingly risk their life while slaughtering others.

This more overt form of hypnosis tends to go under the radar though because it's just how we interact with our world. People take for granted that hypnosis is being used on them and they just see it as ordinary life, indoctrinated from an early age to be accustomed to it. Install the right belief system and the right motivating forces and you can get people to do the most atrocious acts of inhumanity through their own free will. The same way all religious zealots have operated over the past couple millennia. .

Manipulation and Hypnotism aren't the same animal, watching News for 12 hours trains the mind through Manipulation...

Hypnotism casts aside the conscious and delves right into the subconscious...

training one versus the other is a completely different process...

RunningDeer
26th October 2012, 22:15
Control the masses through subliminal messages? I have no way to prove it. I wonder about some vids on YouTube that have lots of hits. Sometimes, I get the feeling to click off because my gut says there's more going on. I’ve added some FFT links. The first of which shows how easy it is to make them.


“Subliminal Message - How to make a Subliminal Message”

Husband tells how he made a subliminal message to have the wife cook at home. No need for me to state the obvious.


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This vid demonstrates how easy it is to control someone: “Scientology Brainwashing - Derren Brown - Something Wicked This Way Comes (Ending)”


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Here’s one example for Ascension with 1,767,364 hits now 3 month later it has 1,939,247 hits: “Infinite Bliss (low Alpha binaural beats) Unisonic Ascension”. It's an easy way to control large groups of naive workers. NOTE: I'm not saying this one. It's an example of high numbers. One can debate that if you are aware then you'll know to click off. My concern is for the ones that are almost there. A perfect subliminal message can impeded or prohibit progress or even worst.



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Click here to see the pages upon pages of subliminal links. (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=binaural+beat&aq=f)

Information on “Are You Targeted? (http://www.areyoutargeted.com/)” - “It's a brainwashing program. Brainwashed people don't know they're brainwashed.”

Jayke
26th October 2012, 22:20
Manipulation and Hypnotism aren't the same animal, watching News for 12 hours trains the mind through Manipulation...

Hypnotism casts aside the conscious and delves right into the subconscious...

training one versus the other is a completely different process...

hehehe or so they'd have you believe. Do you have much personal experience with hypnotic technique yourself Rocky? How many people have you officially hypnotised? How many hypnosis trainings and seminars have you attended and taken part in?

This has been my main focus of study for the past 10 years. It's my profession, I've studied all the great masters, current and ancient. There really is no difference. It's all just words affecting reality. Most practicing hypnotists don't even know what the subconscious mind is properly let alone have a mind that resides in full alert consciousness. The vast majority of people are walking around in a trance and therefore have there conscious mind cast aside on a semi-consistant basis leaving the subconscious free to be delved into. The only difference in process is those using gentle light side techniques vs those using more invasive dark side manipulation technqiues. It's all the same beast, even porcupines have a soft gentle underbelly while they're guard hairs will pierce deeply through a persons subconscious flesh.

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 22:34
I solved 170 missing children cases about 10 years ago, but long before that I taught Skiing through sending images to people's minds one run and they knew how to Ski.

I know more by seeing inside the mind than any books or manuals could ever teach...

Masters and Gurus teach what they are taught, not from knowing...

I would be interested in watching what is going on during a Hypnotism to confirm with all of you how it works...

and before getting upset, don't worry, I know much can be learned through your path too, and also know most are not able to be hypnotized, but go along with it to see if they can learn anything.


heheh, just remembered a friend that went to a Hypnotist to stop smoking and was puffing on one on the way to his car afterwards. he told me about it and I chuckled and said you're going to start uncontrollable Belching every time you light up...

it actually happened, he couldn't inhale, he was laughing too hard, quit within a week, so yes, I guess I have...

music
26th October 2012, 22:59
There are many videos on youtube with the purpose of hypnotising or brainwashing people. Even seemingly intelligent and aware people are taken in by them, and you can tell them til you are blue in the face that they are being maipulated and all you will do is annoy them, and have them think you are an idiot. Binaural beats are something that must be approached with caution. In brief, different audiable frequencies are sent to left and right ears, the frequency differential is implied within the brain, and shifts the base brainwave frequency to match it. Can be used for good, or ill, never listen to youtube videos with headphones on. Make no exceptions to this rule. Be wary of youtube videos that have busy geometric backgrounds over which large blocks of texts are run. Subliminals concealed by busy backgrounds as your conscious mind is distracted by reading is a classic ploy. Be aware of your mental/emotional/spiritual state after watching youtube videos - if you feel something is amiss, but there appears no logical justification for this, you may have been gotten to. If you feel it in your gut to look away or switch off, do it. If you feel frustrated, impotent, angry, disillusioned, or any other negative emotion, then the video you have just watched is likely to have been psyops. Always consult your heart, and own inner knowing. Love yourself, and trust yourself. Believe that all is well, and all becomes well.

music
26th October 2012, 23:07
Oh, and another example of hypnotism? Every now and then, I try to encourage people here to look to positivity and beauty, but even here, the residual conditioning that we have received results in the majority of energy being focussed on the idea that "everything is f@cked, we are fundamentally screwed", and this is what "they" want. So, even in aware communities, we still dutifully perpetuate the fear-based paradigm that provides the energy to prop up the lumbering status quo. A belief in love will do more for change than being suckered into the negativity, and becoming nothing but a battery for the elite.

Jayke
26th October 2012, 23:38
I solved 170 missing children cases about 10 years ago, but long before that I taught Skiing through sending images to people's minds one run and they knew how to Ski.

I know more by seeing inside the mind than any books or manuals could ever teach...

Masters and Gurus teach what they are taught, not from knowing...

I would be interested in watching what is going on during a Hypnotism to confirm with all of you how it works...

and before getting upset, don't worry, I know much can be learned through your path too, and also know most are not able to be hypnotized, but go along with it to see if they can learn anything.


heheh, just remembered a friend that went to a Hypnotist to stop smoking and was puffing on one on the way to his car afterwards. he told me about it and I chuckled and said you're going to start uncontrollable Belching every time you light up...

it actually happened, he couldn't inhale, he was laughing too hard, quit within a week, so yes, I guess I have...

So you didn't have to hypnotise the skiiers to transfer skill and you didn't have to hypnotise your friend with the cigarette...why would that lead to getting upset. You've just proven my point. :) Hypnotism is an unnecessary ritual. Often used by hypnotists in the wrong way without realising. The ancients have known since antiquity that 'all is the mind' you don't have to be hypnotised to be influenced by the mind of someone else. And in that way, everyone is being hypnotised all the time without realising.

Most people get tripped up on their attachment to the idea that hypnosis is a state of deep relaxation. In reality hypnosis is just the manipulation and direction of energy. Relaxation is one gateway into trance but it's not the only gateway. Excitation, inspiration, fear, anger, shock, confusion. Hypnosis piggybacks on every emotion. Hypnotists that only use relaxation to induce trance are vastly limiting their ability to influence others and create change at the deep lasting level.

Rocky_Shorz
26th October 2012, 23:48
sorry, I misunderstood your first post, but being the OP is a hypnotist, I don't want to say bad things about what he does, as a teacher I share skills with everyone...

you just happened to be there at lesson time...

please forgive me for making it seem like it was directed towards you.

most don't realize our subconscious is our Spirit...

and altering our Spirit is an impossibility, but getting your Spirit to help in changing the conscious is much easier than most understand...

especially if it is for the good of the being.

phillipbbg
27th October 2012, 00:12
My understanding is you can get anyone to do anything that they determine as normal behaviour using hypnosis....

So all you need to do is find a known murderer who admits they are a murderer and they will except instruction under hypnosis as a perfectly normal request or action.

You could get a soldier to perform his or her duties quite easily once they have been trained or conditioned to perform acts of deadly force under instruction or orders.. they see no problem mentally of performing their duty so long as they believe they are acting under orders. There are supposed safe guards in place that cause the soldier to question his orders should he or she be required to use deadly force upon non combatants or civilians.

You could get a chemist to make drugs for you as part of his or her normal duties as another example, you could get a mechanic to fit an unidentifiable part or component to a vehicle so long as he believes he or she is fixing the car with that part...

BUT you can't get someone to do something that they deem not their duty or within their normal behaviour. Without their consent.

Carmody
27th October 2012, 00:20
sorry, I misunderstood your first post, but being the OP is a hypnotist, I don't want to say bad things about what he does, as a teacher I share skills with everyone...

you just happened to be there at lesson time...

please forgive me for making it seem like it was directed towards you.

most don't realize our subconscious is our Spirit...

and altering our Spirit is an impossibility, but getting your Spirit to help in changing the conscious is much easier than most understand...

especially if it is for the good of the being.

Mind worms work quite well. One just needs to be careful about what they are planting.


(since we had a music bit earlier, I'll add this favorite.)

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Ellisa
27th October 2012, 01:13
I was always told that, as phillipbbg says, the person being hypnotised has to have the skills in the first place, or want to please the hypnotist by performing for them. So a person who would contemplate murder (though never do it) may be able to do so if they had the skill. I think murdering someone is a lot more difficult than it looks on TV, and most of us would be unable to do it as a task. And the rest of us would find it a dreadful act. I believe that most of the latter group would not be able to carry out the command.

Some of us are very difficult to hypnotise anyway. This, in spite of most people thinking they are in that category, is a small group. The difference is in the skill level they already possess and the life experiences they have had, and even in these cases there has to be an element of trust and co-operation between the hypnotist and the person being hypnotised.

Ilie Pandia
27th October 2012, 07:21
To get an answer for the OP question do watch Derren's Brown "The Assasin". My current understanding is that you can use hypnosis to alter ones perception and make them do one thing while they "think" they are doing something else. In that sense I may end up killing somebody simply because I have no idea as to the implications of what I am doing... (Hopefully I am aware enough so this will never happen).

Anyway, I am very interested in hypnosis and its use to clean up the clutter in your mind. I tend to see the mind as an operating system that runs a lot of programs most unconsciously. Some of those programs seem to actively lock or block natural abilities that we may have when it comes to perception and "mental abilities". In this sense we are hypnotized from the moment we are born into accepting a ton of these limiting programs.

I see we have some experts in the field on this thread and I'd like to ask them to recommend me some books and some materials to study this seriously. There is a lot of chaff on the web, and most only touches the surface and is for entertainment only. They do not look at the deeper implications. You could also send me a PM if you wish to share something privately.

greybeard
27th October 2012, 08:34
As a retired hypnotherapist I can say that all language is hypnotic to a certain degree.
We self hypnosis all the time to reinforce our belief system.
I would say that the majority of people act for their perceived highest good.
So if you can set up a situation where the person believes an assassination is for the highest good then it may well happen.
However if the person then realises that it was not really for the highest good then the resulting trauma may induce suicide or a living hell.
Soldiers are trained to kill for the good of the country their loved ones etc-- that can be valid but if its against their core belief and nature then trauma results.
Their inner conflict can be horrendous.

Hypnosis used positively is very effective.

Darren Brown is amazing-- cant see how he brings some of his illusions into being.

Chris