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Fred Steeves
30th October 2012, 13:37
For some time now, I've been pondering off to the side the possibility that tornados and hurricanes are more than the physical structure we see with our eyes. The possibility that the center of a powerful one, is also some sort of interdimensional gateway. Seriously, look at the eye wall structure of a hurricane, and tell me that it doesn't closely resemble how we picture worm holes. Same with a tornado.

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I watched Sandy yesterday evening transform from a fairly typical looking landfalling category 1 hurricane, into something entirely different in structure, within the span of just a couple of hours. I've been observing the nature of hurricanes since I was a kid, and what happened in the blink of an eye to that storm as it approached New Jersey's coastline, was nothing short of some sort of an alchemical transmutation. HAARP would be involved, but I think there's more to it than that.

Certainly this storm has been used to create fear, divert attention, and possibly even as a full moon ritual with Halloween upcoming. But what I'm getting at, is I'm thinking that beyond all of that, it has released something into this dimension. I can feel it.

It reminds me of Stephen King's "The Mist", where a freak storm disrupts an army dimensional experiment, and releases the creatures residing there into our dimension. Now of course I'm not talking about actual physical monsters like in the movie, but a certain energy of sorts, that otherwise could not make an appearance here.

The nature of lies and truth alike, is that the story is different at every level. So whether I'm just up the old crazy tree or not, this is a level that I see/feel, and am pointing out.

Cheers,
Fred

sleepy
30th October 2012, 13:42
xxxxx xxxxx

Sidney
30th October 2012, 14:38
This is footage of Sandy. Unbelievable lightning at the 47 second mark and again at 58 seconds. Stop the vid and look at the size of the electricity bomb in the sky. I have never seen anything like it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXXrwd4djbo&list=UUaI4DekZ0iahI1yE-WAXzyg&index=7&feature=plcp

Kimberley
30th October 2012, 14:50
I have been a storm watcher all of my life also...grew up in Ohio with tornadoes and then moved to NJ near Philadelphia and then to Miami in 1976 and then to Boston in 1981 I have lived on the east coast near the ocean for over 30 years and I am a sailor. So I am a close weather and storm watcher.

Last summer we had Irene and now Sandy...both small category 1 storms. Yes both storms did a lot of damage and it is always advisable to be prepared and cautious. However up until last summer closing down all public transportation in Boston and New Your has never happened before and we have had several bigger and stronger storms hit in the Northeast over the years.

Last summer I and many many others could not understand why public transportation was shut down for a cat 1 storm and I felt that something else was going on and now it has happened again this year. Hmmmmm?

Since I know that weather manipulation and creation is a fact of course I am now always suspect of foul play. However my suspicion is not so much about the storms themselves it is about what is the real reason for the storms and all of the fear hype and total shut down that is associated with them? And two years in a row in the most densely populated portion of the USA? And most importantly for a cat 1 storm??? My question is what is REALLY going on??

I know that fear tactics keep the population "under" control. However I am wondering if it about money also? Millions of people just all went out and bought lots of stuff in preparation
and millions of people are now going to pay for the damage that has incurred.

And I also saw as Fred saw this storm morph into something I have not seen before. I found an interesting photo comparison that I will post below of Irene and Sandy.

Oh and by the way I have kept my home prepared for many years now and over the past 4 years we are even more prepared. On Saturday I bought some milk and after the electricity went out last night at about 6:30 pm I realized that I had moved my supply of D batteries to a place that I have still not found them (its hard to find things in the dark). We have a large supply of oil lamps and candles and a few battery lanterns and I keep rotating through food stores all year long. Anyway we are always well prepared. I have been through many various storms both summer and winter.

So Fred I too may be "just up the old crazy tree" however I am up there with you. There is much more to this than we know about and I sure am looking forward to the day it stops happening.

Much love to us all! :grouphug:

If you click on the image you can see it in a bigger window...

Carmody
30th October 2012, 14:50
It is a full moon. And it is the full moon when the veil is weakest, October (22nd and onward to 22 NOV), in the sign of Scorpio, which is ruled by Pluto, the doorway to the underworld. All this, with regard to the placement and orientation of the planet, in the context of the solar cycle. Besides the ramifications of a coming winter hanging over our heads.

It is possible to view all of this in the context of that, and to not put anything more into it and simply 'look see' around from there.

So yes, that there is a normal pre-load backdrop energetic pattern that is directly related to this time of year. As a repeated cyclic pattern that has been there for, well, as long as we've had a stable planetary cycle.

Then stand from that point and look for something else.

So..at the least, you've got melting ice sheets..and a completely disturbed Atlantic ocean current, due to oil companies, and whomever it is hiding behind their public face.... doing something in the gulf - PURPOSELY, I'd say.

Paul
30th October 2012, 15:03
This is footage of Sandy. Unbelievable lightning at the 47 second mark and again at 58 seconds. Stop the vid and look at the size of the electricity bomb in the sky. I have never seen anything like it.
Something doesn't look right to me, as I single step (left arrow and right arrow) through those two sections. A single frame appears with very different lighting across a significant fraction of a second of runtime in both cases, with no continuity of affects or motion or lighting to what comes before or after.

I suspect either some video equivalent of photoshop, or at least that some artifacts of the time lapsed processing used to produce this are confusing me.

SilentFeathers
30th October 2012, 15:09
I have been a storm watcher all of my life also...grew up in Ohio with tornadoes and then moved to NJ near Philadelphia and then to Miami in 1976 and then to Boston in 1981 I have lived on the east coast near the ocean for over 30 years and I am a sailor. So I am a close weather and storm watcher.

Last summer we had Irene and now Sandy...both small category 1 storms. Yes both storms did a lot of damage and it is always advisable to be prepared and cautious. However up until last summer closing down all public transportation in Boston and New Your has never happened before and we have had several bigger and stronger storms hit in the Northeast over the years.

Last summer I and many many others could not understand why public transportation was shut down for a cat 1 storm and I felt that something else was going on and now it has happened again this year. Hmmmmm?

Since I know that weather manipulation and creation is a fact of course I am now always suspect of foul play. However my suspicion is not so much about the storms themselves it is about what is the real reason for the storms and all of the fear hype and total shut down that is associated with them? And two years in a row in the most densely populated portion of the USA? And most importantly for a cat 1 storm??? My question is what is REALLY going on??

I know that fear tactics keep the population "under" control. However I am wondering if it about money also? Millions of people just all went out and bought lots of stuff in preparation
and millions of people are now going to pay for the damage that has incurred.

And I also saw as Fred saw this storm morph into something I have not seen before. I found an interesting photo comparison that I will post below of Irene and Sandy.

Oh and by the way I have kept my home prepared for many years now and over the past 4 years we are even more prepared. On Saturday I bought some milk and after the electricity went out last night at about 6:30 pm I realized that I had moved my supply of D batteries to a place that I have still not found them (its hard to find things in the dark). We have a large supply of oil lamps and candles and a few battery lanterns and I keep rotating through food stores all year long. Anyway we are always well prepared. I have been through many various storms both summer and winter.

So Fred I too may be "just up the old crazy tree" however I am up there with you. There is much more to this than we know about and I sure am looking forward to the day it stops happening.

Much love to us all! :grouphug:

If you click on the image you can see it in a bigger window...

I find this photo of Sandy quite interesting, as it is obviously feeding and pulling energy from the Gulf of Mexico while being in the Atlantic. I've been watching storms all my life too and have never seen one quite like this one.....especially the way it came ashore according to the satellite images that I watched as it happened. Now watching such the large amount of cold air where the center should be of the hurricane, it almost makes no sense that this thing totally hasn't broken apart and weakened almost to nothing (but I am not a meteorologist).

Regardless, something seems totally off and really sinister about this storm system, I personally feel it is the first of its kind in a way and we will see even more "strange" and even larger storms like this in the months and years to come.

RMorgan
30th October 2012, 15:21
Hey folks,

Please, dont get me wrong, but I think youre letting yourselves be carried away by the media influence.

All these things about it being "the perfect storm", "Frankenstein", "the storm of the century" turned out to be unrealistic. The fear might have messed up with your heads, with all due respect.

It didnt half the damage that the "specialists" were predicting, which is a good thing, specially considering that the USA is a rich country.

Personally, Im much more worried about people from Haiti, which was already a devastated country. It was hit really hard by this storm.

Also, Im on the fence about HAARP being involved in this situation. Ive researched as much as most of you about HAARP and Im still not sure if it really has the power to create storms like that... Maybe it can interfere in some way, but Im not sure if it can create one.

In my opinion, I think such things happen. We must give credit to Mother Nature for her amazing capabilities.

Cheers,

Raf.

Fred Steeves
30th October 2012, 15:22
This is footage of Sandy. Unbelievable lightning at the 47 second mark and again at 58 seconds. Stop the vid and look at the size of the electricity bomb in the sky. I have never seen anything like it.
Something doesn't look right to me, as I single step (left arrow and right arrow) through those two sections. A single frame appears with very different lighting across a significant fraction of a second of runtime in both cases, with no continuity of affects or motion or lighting to what comes before or after.

I suspect either some video equivalent of photoshop, or at least that some artifacts of the time lapsed processing used to produce this are confusing me.

I agree Paul, but there's one little thing. There was an extremely odd radar signature resounding from that very area during the time of landfall. The eye wall is supposed to be round, and radar showed a straight line like a front, of very intense storms, at roughly a 45 degree angle running NW/SE, half onshore, half offshore, in the same spot, for hours. Even though the storm continued to move, this line of storms did not. There is no reasonable explanation for this, and it was one of the major factors in making me do double and triple takes at this thing.

I would love to show it, but am not very tech savvy. If you can find and post that Paul, I would be most appreciative.

SilentFeathers
30th October 2012, 15:30
I don't feel like this was the "Frankenstorm" of the century and totally noticed the extreme hype and fear porn involved with it. We can't deny that it was serious though and it was/is still quite dangerous, it did some damage and did kill some people......but it was not "The Perfect Storm" or a natural disaster that even comes close to being in the top 10 of all disasters!

It was something quite different though compared to most storms and still is, yes, Mother Nature is quite remarkable!

PS: I just seen on the weather channel that Jim Cantorie is calling this "Jersey's Katrina".....and he walked up to a couple of two by fours that got washed ashore in Battery Park to validate and show the audience the damage done! Quite ridiculous to say the least!

Sandy is quite the storm though regardless, dumping tons of snow in the Appalachians right now!

Vitalux
30th October 2012, 15:37
omitted with apology

:hug:

4evrneo
30th October 2012, 15:40
I know I am far away from the east coast but, when I woke up and got out of bed, I looked outside and something felt really off. I had to stand there for a few minutes to try to sense what it was but just cant put my finger on it. Now I am at work and I still feel it. This feeling of needing to be very "aware" just wont leave me. Anyone else feeling really "off"?

Annette

SilentFeathers
30th October 2012, 15:44
I know I am far away from the east coast but, when I woke up and got out of bed, I looked outside and something felt really off. I had to stand there for a few minutes to try to sense what it was but just cant put my finger on it. Now I am at work and I still feel it. This feeling of needing to be very "aware" just wont leave me. Anyone else feeling really "off"?

Annette

Perhaps you're not feeling "off", but are spot on about what your feeling....things are far from being "certain" right now and have been a bit "off" for a while now.....many are not very aware right now, embrace your feeling to be aware! It can only benefit you. :)

ADDED: I've been feeling the need to be more aware for quite some time now, almost being obsessed with watching and keeping tract of everything I possibly can! Many are feeling something big coming and or happening.....I personally feel it is very spiritual for the most part, all this materialistic and evil human behavior happening with the elite etc is much more temporary that what is spiritually important.

Brodie75
30th October 2012, 15:57
My personal opinion is that it's just a result of the suns current cycle.
From what i've read all the planets in our solar system are going through weather

changes. I think most of the increased weather phenomena all around the
world in the last few years can be attributed to the sun.

We've seen an increase in cyclones, hurricanes earthquakes ect. Maybe
some of these events could be attributed to the use of HAARP but

in my opinion we're just experiencing a natural change.
Hopefully and probably not signs of some end game

Sidney
30th October 2012, 15:59
Yeah, I wondered about the patch job in the video, but i not experienced enough to make an educated judgement, I just thought it was because they patched together a bunch of different clips.

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This is out of the book titles "One second after" by William Forstchen, based on a scenario that could in fact happen.It's about An EMP strike against the US caused by a nuclear blast 20 miles up in the sky. I am not trying to fearmonger or anything, but it simply came to mind during this conversation. Here's the link to the book.
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/21916902/1931499887/name/William+R+Forstchen+-+One+Second+After.pdf

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Short quote from book:

"""We got a pot boiling out back," Charlie said, and left the room and came back a minute later
with a cup of coffee, black the way John always liked it, and, amazingly, some bacon and eggs.
"Picture an EMP as something like a lightning bolt striking your electrical line or phone line
during a thunderstorm." John said between quick sips of his coffee. "Boom, and everything
electronic in your house is fried, especially delicate stuff with microcircuitry................

Fred Steeves
30th October 2012, 16:07
Just to be absolutely clear, I'm not talking as much about physical damage here, as about a new energetic being introduced into this dimension. This is also not about doom and gloom, it just is. As many of you here may have noticed over time, I'm the eternal optimist. But, that doesn't preclude me from seeing things I may prefer not to see.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

SilentFeathers
30th October 2012, 16:12
My personal opinion is that it's just a result of the suns current cycle.
From what i've read all the planets in our solar system are going through weather

changes. I think most of the increased weather phenomena all around the
world in the last few years can be attributed to the sun.

We've seen an increase in cyclones, hurricanes earthquakes ect. Maybe
some of these events could be attributed to the use of HAARP but

in my opinion we're just experiencing a natural change.
Hopefully and probably not signs of some end game

My opinion: I personally feel HAARP is mostly a large failure and is nothing more than an experiment and work in progress that for the most part can only influence weather etc to a very SLIGHT degree; if that much.

I feel these changes as you do and that they are basically almost 100% natural....mankind will never outsmart or control nature.

Sidney
30th October 2012, 16:12
i have thought from the get-go that alll the hype, the storm and power outages were a very good excuse for the voting to be messed with. I still think it. They got caught before cheating, so they needed a major catastrophe to justify. Like someone else said, "the things you can get by with in the dark" (paraphrasing).

Election
Halloween
Full Moon
Geomagnetic storm from filament eruption 3 days ago
"Frankenstorm"

= October Surprise-

Is anybody actually suruprised? lol

Sidney
30th October 2012, 16:15
See the squigly striped sand dune clouds at the lower left of the bottom image? That is TEXTBOOK haarp signature.


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RMorgan
30th October 2012, 16:18
Just to be absolutely clear, I'm not talking as much about physical damage here, as about a new energetic being introduced into this dimension. This is also not about doom and gloom, it just is. As many of you here may have noticed over time, I'm the eternal optimist. But, that doesn't preclude me from seeing things I may prefer not to see.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

I know what you mean Fred.

I was just pointing that your perception of such energies might be the reflection of the massive fear mongering created by the media about this storm.

I know we all would like to be, but were not completely immune from the powerful influence of the media.

Do you think thats possible?

Cheers,

Raf.

SilentFeathers
30th October 2012, 16:18
Just to be absolutely clear, I'm not talking as much about physical damage here, as about a new energetic being introduced into this dimension. This is also not about doom and gloom, it just is. As many of you here may have noticed over time, I'm the eternal optimist. But, that doesn't preclude me from seeing things I may prefer not to see.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

We are seeing many new things being born so to speak Fred, this storm did effect consciousness to some extent on a large scale......the media scared the hell out of many many people, that energy created it's own vortex and spread in the wind so to speak.

Kimberley
30th October 2012, 16:33
Hey folks,

Please, dont get me wrong, but I think youre letting yourselves be carried away by the media influence.


I do not see any comments here that "are carried away" ? Not sure who you are talking too?




All these things about it being "the perfect storm", "Frankenstein", "the storm of the century" turned out to be unrealistic. The fear might have messed up with your heads, with all due respect.

It didnt half the damage that the "specialists" were predicting, which is a good thing, specially considering that the USA is a rich country.



This is part of the point we are addressing Why all the hype? It was done last year and again this year. And terms like FrankenStorm for a cat 1 hurricane ...I do not get it. Although it does have something to do with the cold front that Sandy was bumping into creating snow in the Appalachians...



By Associated Press, Updated: Tuesday, October 30, 10:38 AM

ELKINS, W.Va. Wet snow and high winds spinning off the edge of superstorm Sandy spread blizzard conditions over parts of West Virginia and neighboring Appalachian states Tuesday, shutting one interstate as trucks and cars bogged down and knocking out power to many.

The National Weather Service said a foot and more of snow was reported in lower elevations of West Virginia, where most towns and roads are. High elevations in the mountains were getting more than two feet and a blizzard warning for more than a dozen counties was in effect until Wednesday afternoon.

full article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/blizzard-conditions-in-parts-of-appalachia-snow-shuts-interstate-in-wva-maryland/2012/10/30/6532a844-227f-11e2-92f8-7f9c4daf276a_story.html





Personally, Im much more worried about people from Haiti, which was already a devastated country. It was hit really hard by this storm.

Yes this storm did a lot of damage in the Caribbean.



Also, Im on the fence about HAARP being involved in this situation. Ive researched as much as most of you about HAARP and Im still not sure if it really has the power to create storms like that... Maybe it can interfere in some way, but Im not sure if it can create one.




I really do not know a lot about HAARP however I do know about cloud seeding. I remember that they did cloud seeding on hurricanes years ago haven't looked into the history...however I will. I know it is still being used and successfully. Here is a great article I read and just now found again from 2009 " Geoengineering Moscow Mayor Promises No Snow This Winter: A Russian mayor wants to expand cloud seeding to preventing snow in Moscow "

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-10/moscow-mayor-pays-russian-air-force-wage-war-winter

So I am pretty sure storms can be manipulated to be stronger and lesser. Lesser for sure...


In my opinion, I think such things happen. We must give credit to Mother Nature for her amazing capabilities.

Cheers,

Raf.

Of course mother nature has had the upper hand for as long as she has been here...


Anyway just my 2 cents ... Much love!

Fred Steeves
30th October 2012, 16:37
I know what you mean Fred.

I was just pointing that your perception of such energies might be the reflection of the massive fear mongering created by the media about this storm.

I know we all would like to be, but were not completely immune from the powerful influence of the media.

Do you think thats possible?


Hey Raf, of course what you say is always my prime suspect. But, if you look at my three successive posts concerning this very subject yesterday, you will see that this is likely not the case. What this actually is, is me eating a bit of crow, combined with a new sense of what has happened.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51443-Watch-Live-As-Frankenstorm-Tears-Up-The-East-Coast-From-The-Comfort-Of-Your-Lazy-Boy&p=576011#post576011

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51460-Here-we-go....The-start-of-elections-being-postponed-or-cancelled-all-together&p=576182#post576182

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51460-Here-we-go....The-start-of-elections-being-postponed-or-cancelled-all-together&p=576229#post576229

It wasn't more than an hour after that third post Raf, when I was suddenly being forced to reconsider.

Ki's
30th October 2012, 16:38
Here in Michigan we're feeling some of the affects of this storm with impressive winds and cold rain, but I'm wondering...has anyone else experienced an 'energizing' by this storm? I feel as though a 'mental fog' has lifted and I have a sense of well-being and calm, peaceful waiting.

SilentFeathers
30th October 2012, 16:42
This may actually have more of an effect on people than a few flooded buildings and a couple bodies crushed under a couple of tree's. Many people can't tie their shoes without their cell phones!



First an electricity blackout and now CELL PHONE coverage is down as users in Manhattan battle signal failures
Many people are virtually cut off and have no way of contacting friends or family or calling for help if there are further emergencies
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225217/Superstorm-Sandy-New-York-CELL-PHONE-coverage-users-battle-signal-failures.html

There may actually be a worse storm coming.....

sleepy
30th October 2012, 16:52
xxxxx xxxxxx

Sidney
30th October 2012, 16:52
This may actually have more of an effect on people than a few flooded buildings and a couple bodies crushed under a couple of tree's. Many people can't tie their shoes without their cell phones!



First an electricity blackout and now CELL PHONE coverage is down as users in Manhattan battle signal failures
Many people are virtually cut off and have no way of contacting friends or family or calling for help if there are further emergencies
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225217/Superstorm-Sandy-New-York-CELL-PHONE-coverage-users-battle-signal-failures.html

There may actually be a worse storm coming.....

Maybe this is a trial run for something later coming (perhaps in December?)


Welcome to the police state.

Sidney
30th October 2012, 16:56
post deleted due to brain f*rt

Carmody
30th October 2012, 17:44
This may actually have more of an effect on people than a few flooded buildings and a couple bodies crushed under a couple of tree's. Many people can't tie their shoes without their cell phones!



First an electricity blackout and now CELL PHONE coverage is down as users in Manhattan battle signal failures
Many people are virtually cut off and have no way of contacting friends or family or calling for help if there are further emergencies
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225217/Superstorm-Sandy-New-York-CELL-PHONE-coverage-users-battle-signal-failures.html

There may actually be a worse storm coming.....

From another thread:


Two main electrical substations where submerged and blew in NY, went off like bombs. Large chunks of the city are out of electricity, and will be for quite some time. We're probably not talking days, here. (I get my news by phone and net, no TV, so this may be old news)

This has a potential to get very messy. Quickly. As in days. Full moon too, so people are unsettled.

The problem with such substations is that they are underground.... and transformers take months to build and then arrive.

Patching power in is also a problem, as the lines probably can't take it. Thus, work-around solutions will probably take weeks to arrive to some areas of the city.

The last thing on people's minds will be voting in a clear headed fashion in an important election, which is a big problem....

Those substations probably could have been saved, by being shut down. Pretty good odds, especially with remote control and remote monitoring.

Except, the folks who would have cut them off..before they blew..would have been hauled into court and prosecuted - severely. Prosecuted and hung for shutting them down.

However.

In the aftermath of such a thing, the saved and working substations would have been very critical infrastructure to have been saved from a near 100% or a full 100% potential for self destruction.

Shutting them down ahead of time, would have saved people and a city of the coming hardship of not having those substations working. Not working..... for a notably long time.

You don't just 'go out and get a transformer' for these things. The fastest it could be done, is if the company making the transformer replacement..dropped everything they were and are doing..and moved into making the replacement transformers. And that would probably take a month, of 24h a day work. There are some things that just cannot be hurried. The requisite transformers might be possible to lift from somewhere else, but that is pure speculation. Even that would take a good week.

Now, put the real scenario of pats of NY out of power at this time of year, under these conditions, for that long of a time period.

ghostrider
30th October 2012, 17:48
The sun does it with energy, earth does it with water. Pretty much like solar storms on the surface of the sun, wind and water storms on the surface of earth, because everything is evolving and moving and the principal of cause and effect . The sun errupts and hurls energy at earth , it is mixed in to our magnetic field and water and heat and all sorts of energy fields collide and you see a reaction from nature playing out it's part in the sky above you, we just happen to have 2/3rds water instead of solar plasma enfolding upon itself ...

Wind
30th October 2012, 20:41
What kind of an impact is this storm going to have?

Well, just think about the US elections. The end game has already started, in many different ways.

Cycles after cycles... We humans are just a small portion of all of this. Hard to say if this is a natural phenomenom or if it's made by using HAARP, but one thing is for sure. The Earth is going through changes right now and so are we. We have to be strong enough to pass through the birth pains...

Fred Steeves
30th October 2012, 22:02
Just one more thing, lest this thread be mistaken as one of those typical fear monger threads we all know and love so much.(LOL) For all we know, this incoming "negative" energy may actually be here in desperate hope/need of a healing, and not even be aware of it. You want to try and start seeing the big picture? Then let's start thinking big picture here.

Never forget, we are beings without limit, we've just forgotten...

Cheers,
Fred

sleepy
31st October 2012, 12:49
xxxxx xxxxxx

Rollo
31st October 2012, 14:02
There is no doubt that Sandy is a "special" hurricane and many sources are presenting evidence of it.

Video showing the initial explosion at the Con Ed Plant, E14th and FDR in New York City.

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This video starts with an image of more like a bomb blast traces than hurricane damage.

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Sandy(Alexandra) in Greek may be roughly translated as "protector of man". The name was one of the titles ("epithets") given to the Greek goddess Hera(originally the goddess of a matriarchal people) and as such is usually taken to mean "one who comes to save warriors".

We can just wait-see what will be "born" out of the current situation on the east coast. All the hype is for the reason indeed.

Much love,
Rollo

RMorgan
31st October 2012, 14:25
Hey folks,

Please, pardon me for my curiosity and ignorance but I have to ask something.

Why do most people from the US build their homes with wood, not bricks or concrete?

I mean, you guys have hurricanes in some states, and every year I see videos of hurricanes tearing these wooden houses like paper.

Maybe Im wrong, but wouldnt it be better to build your homes, at least those built in places where hurricanes are a regular occurrence, with concrete and bricks?

Cheers,

Raf.

SilentFeathers
31st October 2012, 14:35
Hey folks,

Please, pardon me for my curiosity and ignorance but I have to ask something.

Why do most people from the US build their homes with wood, not bricks or concrete?

I mean, you guys have hurricanes in some states, and every year I see videos of hurricanes tearing these wooden houses like paper.

Maybe Im wrong, but wouldnt it be better to build your homes, at least those built in places where hurricanes are a regular occurrence, with concrete and bricks?

Cheers,

Raf.

Most are too dumbed down to comprehend the reasoning behind the story how the big bad wolf blew down 2 of the 3 little pigs houses.....

PS: Many will soon begin to recall this childhood story of the Three Little Pigs when they realize their stick and straw houses are starting to get blown down about every year from now on!
They will say, "Dah, that's why the 3rd little piggy built his house out of bricks!!!!"

Fred Steeves
31st October 2012, 15:01
Well o.k., let's then go down the road of how dumbed down and imbecile we have allowed ourselves to become with this stuff. Why do we still blindly accept that our flimsy neighborhood powerlines are cutting edge technology? Really? http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif The first thing that continually happens when a storm rolls in, is power lines go down. The computer is (supposedly) being reinvented several times a year, and yet looking at this picture from a hundred years ago, do we see much improvement in our power grid?

19024

As usual, hidden in plain sight...http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/violin.gif

SilentFeathers
31st October 2012, 15:04
It's all about money/greed Fred, hence: powerlines and why they blackballed Tesla....

Flash
31st October 2012, 15:40
Hey folks,

Please, pardon me for my curiosity and ignorance but I have to ask something.

Why do most people from the US build their homes with wood, not bricks or concrete?

I mean, you guys have hurricanes in some states, and every year I see videos of hurricanes tearing these wooden houses like paper.

Maybe Im wrong, but wouldnt it be better to build your homes, at least those built in places where hurricanes are a regular occurrence, with concrete and bricks?

Cheers,

Raf.

you are wrong, wood withstand earthquakes and hurricane much better than concrete, because wood house can move without being destroyed, there is flexibility in a wood construction. Ask the Turks who have sustained substantial earthquakes, all the truly rich in Turkey are now in new wood houses.

The other reason is insulation, from heat as well as from cold. In Canada, cement construction are much harder to insultate for cold. Wood is an insulation as such, plus the space between the structure allow for air to warm up and allows for mineral wool insulation to be installed. In other words, the house breath while being well insulated as well. Plus my neighbour just finished constructing his house, it was fast, took only 2 months from stard (digging a basement) to finish (painted, funiture in). Wood in America is not as expensive as in Europe, we have lots of it. I am not a house expert but I do live in one and I lived in cement structures in Turkey and Mexico and.... so here it is.

Plus there is a difference between a cement wall often having 3 brick layer falling on you versus a wood wall. The latter is ligther and easier to move out.

In emergencies and natural disaster, wood house anytime instead of cement, believe me, except for fires.

Fred Steeves
31st October 2012, 15:47
It's all about money/greed Fred, hence: powerlines and why they blackballed Tesla....

Well SilentFeathers, me thinks it's about a whole lot more than that. How about, within our moment of greatest despair, lies our moment of greatest opportunity...

RMorgan
31st October 2012, 16:13
you are wrong, wood withstand earthquakes and hurricane much better than concrete, because wood house can move without being destroyed, there is flexibility in a wood construction. Ask the Turks who have sustained substantial earthquakes, all the truly rich in Turkey are now in new wood houses.

The other reason is insulation, from heat as well as from cold. In Canada, cement construction are much harder to insultate for cold. Wood is an insulation as such, plus the space between the structure allow for air to warm up and allows for mineral wool insulation to be installed. In other words, the house breath while being well insulated as well. Plus my neighbour just finished constructing his house, it was fast, took only 2 months from stard (digging a basement) to finish (painted, funiture in). Wood in America is not as expensive as in Europe, we have lots of it. I am not a house expert but I do live in one and I lived in cement structures in Turkey and Mexico and.... so here it is.

Plus there is a difference between a cement wall often having 3 brick layer falling on you versus a wood wall. The latter is ligther and easier to move out.

In emergencies and natural disaster, wood house anytime instead of cement, believe me, except for fires.

Hey Flash,

Ive found an article saying just the contrary.

"The Wind Engineering Research Center at Texas Tech University say that concrete walls are strong enough to withstand flying debris from hurricanes and tornadoes. According to their findings, homes made of concrete are much more storm-resistant than houses constructed of wood and steel.

THE RESEARCH STUDY

To duplicate hurricane-like conditions in the laboratory, researchers shot wall sections with 15-pound 2 x 4 lumber "missiles" at up to 100 mph, simulating debris carried in a 250 mph wind. These conditions cover all but the most severe tornadoes. Hurricane wind speeds are less than the speeds modeled here. Missile tests designed to demonstrate damage from hurricanes use a 9-pound missile traveling about 34 mph.

Researchers tested 4 x 4-foot sections of concrete block, several types of insulating concrete forms, steel studs, and wood studs to rate performance in high winds. The sections were finished as they would be in a completed home: drywall, fiberglass insulation, plywood sheathing, and exterior finishes of vinyl siding, clay brick, or stucco.

All the concrete wall systems survived the tests with no structural damage. Lightweight steel and wood stud walls, however, offered little or no resistance to the "missile." The 2 x 4 ripped through them.

Reinforced concrete homes have proven their wind-resistance in the field during tornadoes and hurricanes. In Urbana, Illinois, a recently constructed insulating concrete form home withstood a 1996 tornado with minimal damage. In the Liberty City area of Miami, several concrete form homes survived Hurricane Andrew in 1992. In both cases, neighboring homes were destroyed.

Monolithic Domes, which are made of concrete and rebar, have proved especially strong. The sturdy concrete construction combined with the dome shape make these innovative homes nearly impervious to tornadoes, hurricanes, and earthquakes."

source: http://architecture.about.com/cs/buildyourhouse/a/concretehomes.htm

original studies here: http://www.depts.ttu.edu/weweb/Research/DebrisImpact/Reports.php

Anyway, I cant imagine that a wooden house would be safer or stronger than a concrete house in any circumstance, except for earthquakes maybe.

I think people build them because its cheaper and faster. If I lived in a hurricane susceptible zone, I would certainly build myself a concrete house, very much like a bunker.

Like this one:

"Pass Christian, Ms., September 27, 2005 -- Mississippi resident Scott Sunberg is building a steel reinforced concrete house using many FEMA building standards that would minimize potential destruction from a hurricane. Hurricane Katrina came through this area and his was the only house still standing in the neighorhood."

http://www.illinoisphoto.com/pictures/d/153715-3/steel+reinforced+concrete+house+Pass+Christian+Mis sissippi.jpg

http://www.coastalcontractor.net/images/articles/2008/0809/coa0908cu_01.jpg

http://www.cement.org/homes/ec/images/2006-1&2-05.jpg

Cheers,

Raf.

SilentFeathers
31st October 2012, 16:20
It's all about money/greed Fred, hence: powerlines and why they blackballed Tesla....

Well SilentFeathers, me thinks it's about a whole lot more than that. How about, within our moment of greatest despair, lies our moment of greatest opportunity...

Yeah, there's a lot more involved on a bigger level, but what most have to deal with on a daily basis is basically one thing or another involving money and greed etc....

The bigger picture most can't see or comprehend much of it....and often when one gets a glimpse of it they run and or hide from it.

Flash
31st October 2012, 17:41
you are wrong, wood withstand earthquakes and hurricane much better than concrete, because wood house can move without being destroyed, there is flexibility in a wood construction. Ask the Turks who have sustained substantial earthquakes, all the truly rich in Turkey are now in new wood houses.

The other reason is insulation, from heat as well as from cold. In Canada, cement construction are much harder to insultate for cold. Wood is an insulation as such, plus the space between the structure allow for air to warm up and allows for mineral wool insulation to be installed. In other words, the house breath while being well insulated as well. Plus my neighbour just finished constructing his house, it was fast, took only 2 months from stard (digging a basement) to finish (painted, funiture in). Wood in America is not as expensive as in Europe, we have lots of it. I am not a house expert but I do live in one and I lived in cement structures in Turkey and Mexico and.... so here it is.

Plus there is a difference between a cement wall often having 3 brick layer falling on you versus a wood wall. The latter is ligther and easier to move out.

In emergencies and natural disaster, wood house anytime instead of cement, believe me, except for fires.

Hey Flash,

Ive found an article saying just the contrary.

"The Wind Engineering Research Center at Texas Tech University say that concrete walls are strong enough to withstand flying debris from hurricanes and tornadoes. According to their findings, homes made of concrete are much more storm-resistant than houses constructed of wood and steel.

THE RESEARCH STUDY

To duplicate hurricane-like conditions in the laboratory, researchers shot wall sections with 15-pound 2 x 4 lumber "missiles" at up to 100 mph, simulating debris carried in a 250 mph wind. These conditions cover all but the most severe tornadoes. Hurricane wind speeds are less than the speeds modeled here. Missile tests designed to demonstrate damage from hurricanes use a 9-pound missile traveling about 34 mph.

Researchers tested 4 x 4-foot sections of concrete block, several types of insulating concrete forms, steel studs, and wood studs to rate performance in high winds. The sections were finished as they would be in a completed home: drywall, fiberglass insulation, plywood sheathing, and exterior finishes of vinyl siding, clay brick, or stucco.

All the concrete wall systems survived the tests with no structural damage. Lightweight steel and wood stud walls, however, offered little or no resistance to the "missile." The 2 x 4 ripped through them.

Reinforced concrete homes have proven their wind-resistance in the field during tornadoes and hurricanes. In Urbana, Illinois, a recently constructed insulating concrete form home withstood a 1996 tornado with minimal damage. In the Liberty City area of Miami, several concrete form homes survived Hurricane Andrew in 1992. In both cases, neighboring homes were destroyed.

Monolithic Domes, which are made of concrete and rebar, have proved especially strong. The sturdy concrete construction combined with the dome shape make these innovative homes nearly impervious to tornadoes, hurricanes, and earthquakes."

source: http://architecture.about.com/cs/buildyourhouse/a/concretehomes.htm

original studies here: http://www.depts.ttu.edu/weweb/Research/DebrisImpact/Reports.php

Anyway, I cant imagine that a wooden house would be safer or stronger than a concrete house in any circumstance, except for earthquakes maybe.

I think people build them because its cheaper and faster. If I lived in a hurricane susceptible zone, I would certainly build myself a concrete house, very much like a bunker.

Like this one:

"Pass Christian, Ms., September 27, 2005 -- Mississippi resident Scott Sunberg is building a steel reinforced concrete house using many FEMA building standards that would minimize potential destruction from a hurricane. Hurricane Katrina came through this area and his was the only house still standing in the neighorhood."

http://www.illinoisphoto.com/pictures/d/153715-3/steel+reinforced+concrete+house+Pass+Christian+Mis sissippi.jpg

http://www.coastalcontractor.net/images/articles/2008/0809/coa0908cu_01.jpg

http://www.cement.org/homes/ec/images/2006-1&2-05.jpg

Cheers,

Raf.

ok you got me, but not for eathquakes (got to win somewhere). Concrete for housing is not very efficient to keep warm in cold countries though (my experience).

13th Warrior
31st October 2012, 18:30
It looks like they are reconstituting this thing over the great lakes and sending it back to the east coast...

Flash
31st October 2012, 18:42
what are you talking... writing about? i may have missed something....

Ba-ba-Ra
31st October 2012, 19:36
There are two days in the years when the Celts believed the veil between the worlds is the thinnest. Hence easier to come and go between dimensions. They are also dates connected with the Pleiades. Celts believed that midnight on 10/31 (N. Hemisphere - when Pleiades is highest in the sky and is heralding in November which is the month of the Pleiades star cluster ) that spirits could slide into their homes, hence they dressed scary to scare away bad spirits and/or to convince them that their home was already occupied by a bad spirit. On November nights, the Pleiades cluster shines from nightfall until dawn. (I assume it is the opposite in the S. Hemisphere, but don't know that).

For those of you interested in ET's and/or the Pleiades connection, IMO this is a good time to make mental contact.

Summary:
Full moon + Halloween (when veil is thinnest between worlds) = powerful time... When FEAR is added to the equation = powerful negative time.

Note: While 10/31 is the most powerful date, 2 days on either side are also powerful - same with full moon.

SilentFeathers
1st November 2012, 00:14
Posted yesterday;


this may actually have more of an effect on people than a few flooded buildings and a couple bodies crushed under a couple of tree's. many people can't tie their shoes without their cell phones!



first an electricity blackout and now cell phone coverage is down as users in manhattan battle signal failures
many people are virtually cut off and have no way of contacting friends or family or calling for help if there are further emergencies
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225217/superstorm-sandy-new-york-cell-phone-coverage-users-battle-signal-failures.html

there may actually be a worse storm coming.....

post update:


us phone addicts suffer withdrawal
by emily steel in new york

swarms of people wandered around downtown manhattan on wednesday, their faces lit by the glow of mobile phones as they walked up city blocks in search of mobile phone service.
As a city bus crossed into a service zone, the beeps and buzz of mobile phones registering messages interrupted the quiet.

chris cunningham, chief executive of appssavvy, a new york digital media firm lives, works in downtown manhattan. He saw a rush of river water flow in front of his apartment in the midst of the storm and has been unable to access reliable reception from his home and office this week. he said that not having cell phone service is harder than not having power or an internet connection.

more: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/305dcc48-2397-11e2-bb86-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2avpixwza

Herv
1st November 2012, 00:48
[...]

THE RESEARCH STUDY

To duplicate hurricane-like conditions in the laboratory, researchers shot wall sections with 15-pound 2 x 4 lumber "missiles" at up to 100 mph, simulating debris carried in a 250 mph wind...

[...]

Cheers,

Raf.


http://i.imgur.com/jqmqZ.jpg



Just hurled in... with compliments from Sandy.

T Smith
1st November 2012, 00:49
Hey folks,

Please, dont get me wrong, but I think youre letting yourselves be carried away by the media influence.

All these things about it being "the perfect storm", "Frankenstein", "the storm of the century" turned out to be unrealistic. The fear might have messed up with your heads, with all due respect.

It didnt half the damage that the "specialists" were predicting, which is a good thing, specially considering that the USA is a rich country.

Personally, Im much more worried about people from Haiti, which was already a devastated country. It was hit really hard by this storm.

Also, Im on the fence about HAARP being involved in this situation. Ive researched as much as most of you about HAARP and Im still not sure if it really has the power to create storms like that... Maybe it can interfere in some way, but Im not sure if it can create one.

In my opinion, I think such things happen. We must give credit to Mother Nature for her amazing capabilities.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hi RMorgan,

I've spend a lot of time studying HAARP, with the same skepticism you express here. However, after continual study of the facts, I no longer can assume the role of skeptic. I assure you that it is very possible for HAARP to create this storm. HAARP isn't science fiction; it is reality. Does that mean I am saying HAARP created and steered Sandy? I don't know for sure. If I were to wager I would say yes--all the facts point to the logical conclusion that this is not a natural storm--but that doesn't mean I know for sure. All I know for sure is the technology exists and HAARP can direct and drive these storms.

modwiz
2nd November 2012, 11:06
There is more off here than meets the eye and the storm is only part of it.

Fred, the material you present here is rich in perception and insight.

grannyfranny100
3rd November 2012, 00:27
I live in Mi but have friends and a long history in the Phila. area. As Sandy was approaching and I was safe in MI, I felt the tremendous anxiety of people on the east coast.
Later as I watched the devastation in the media, I remember my time in Brasil and how nobody had houses right on the beach in he large costal cities. At the time, I thought it was delightful that all people had access to the beach rather than only the rich as is often the case in the USA.

Since then, I am remembering wealthy people building on the beach bragging that their insurance coverage would rebuild their houses in case of storms. New Jersey now has an opportunity to reconsider its zoning laws and perhaps provide financial assistance for people who do not rebuild in such dangerous closeness to the beaches. And I feel the same way about people who keep getting flooded by the Mississippi River in the midwest. We need a healthier respect for mother nature.