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7th November 2012, 09:19
By James A. O’Kon, PE

The announcement of a sensational discovery of murals and calendar calculations, at the ancient Maya site of Xultún in Guatemala, is a boon for Maya archaeology and a real “reversal of the field” for doomsayers, who predict the end of the world on December 21, 2012. The newfound calendar calculations indicate a Maya calendar with a longer length of time equal to 17 baktuns rather than the 13 baktuns cycle that ends on December 21, 2012. A baktun is 144,000 days. The 17 baktuns equal a time period of time of 2,500,000 days or 6850 years, a longer time span than the 5126 years in the 13 baktun cycles. The current 13 baktun cycle ends on December 21, 2012. The new found 17 baktun cycle extends the Maya time line for an additional 1124 years to the year 3136 CE. The Xultún calculations do not identify a specific date but indicate that the Maya had all intentions of extending time into infinity, and December 21, 2012, is only a place mark in time.

The “doomsday” date of December 21, 2012 has been heralded by media hype to be the prediction of doom and gloom. Few people realize that the date of December 21, 2012, which is the end of the 13 baktun cycle, has been found on only one monument, in all of the Maya cities. The date is inscribed on a broken stele at the site of Totuguero near Tabasco, Mexico. Nowhere else in the approximately 40 to 50 thousand Maya monuments with carved hieroglyphics has this date been observed. The dates on certain monuments extend farther into the future, such as the inscription at the site of Pakal’s tomb at Palenque. Pakal’s tomb is inscribed with his birth date plus 20 baktuns to the date of October 13, 4772 AD which indicates that the Maya had all intention of extending time far into the future.

The calendar calculations and murals at Xultún were uncovered by William Saturno in 2011. The unprecedented discovery was a fortuitous find when a graduate student, Max Chamberlain, noted vestiges of paint on the interior walls of a Maya structure. Further excavation of the stone-filled chamber revealed the first Maya murals ever encountered in a building that was not a palace. In addition, it contained the oldest calendar calculations yet discovered. The structure has a 6 foot by 6.5 foot interior space. The murals were miraculously discovered to be in excellent condition. The murals had been protected from looters by the interior stone fill, but primarily their preservation was due to the advanced building technology of Maya engineers. This building system protected the building and it’s interior. The structure consists of a vaulted Maya arch (which I describe in detail in my book) which is constructed of a durable composite of cast-in-place concrete and stone. The outside of the structure was waterproofed by a coating of exterior stucco and an interior stucco plaster coating covered the internal walls and also served as a painting surface for the murals and calendric hieroglyphics. The east wall, which was painted with the mathematical calculations, had been plastered and re-plastered several times, indicating that they were apparently used it as a surface for painting calculations. The 40 square foot room was also installed with a built in stone bench, indicating that it was probably a studio for scribes and astronomers.

In addition to the calendric calculations, the mathematical tabulations include the 260 day ceremonial calendar, the 365 day solar calendar and lunar cycles, the 584 day period of Venus and the 780 day period of Mars which are located nearby the calendar calculations.

The use of this wall as a writing surface conjures up images of Albert Einstein calculating higher mathematics on a black board with chalk, or a modern physicist writing on a white board with an erasable marker. The Maya calculations were painted over layers of plaster that had covered previous calculations and the visible calculations are made in black paint with mathematical errors corrected in red paint. It appears that great minds have worked in the same manner for millennia.

This ancient “white board” calendar painted in 817 AD is a major find. Prior to this discovery the only Maya calendar was found in the Dresden Codex, an 11th or 12th century Maya book that survived the Spanish Conquest. This 9th century find at Xultún and the Dresden Codex were both based on earlier Maya books that had deteriorated long ago. David Stuart, an archaeologist and specialist in reading Maya glyphs, who deciphered the Xultún glyphs was quoted as saying “it’s very clear that the 2012 date, which is the end of 13 baktuns, while important as a turning of a page in time, the 14th baktun is going to be coming, and baktun 15 and baktun 16. The Maya calendar is going to keep going and keep going for billions, trillions, and octillions of years into the future.”

It appears that Saturno and Chamberlain knew they had a significant find, but they surprised the world and pulled a “Howard Carter”, the archaeologist who discovered King Tut’s tomb in Egypt. They uncovered an unprecedented archaeological treasure trove. Their find was not gold and jewels, but an immense archaeological breakthrough that will rewrite archaeological theories by unveiling the new calendric calculations and murals in this new venue.

The pair will go down in history not only for discovering an intellectual archaeological find, but also for reversing the playing field on the media hype and doomsayers who predict the end of the world on December 21, 2012. The doomsayers have predicted the end of the world by a variety of causes: collision with a dark planet, reversal of the poles, earthquakes or volcanic eruptions, to name a few. The Xultún evidence gives needed relief to millions of worry warts concerned with the end of the world. It also means that when you wake up on December 21, your only fear will be that there are only four more shopping days until Christmas.

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7th November 2012, 14:55

I'm hoping and praying to whichever God(s) there may be that the end of the world really isn't at the end of December this year... I'll be really pissed if I don't get to watch the conclusion of 'Breaking Bad'

7th November 2012, 14:56
A Mayan elders perspective on The Mayan Calendar, The elder states That After the 12/21/12 date of the mayan calendar, another cycle begins. have a listen.




7th November 2012, 16:28
great find kronuise, this will help many switch gears from low fear gear to high love gear, and command control and creation for what comes during 12/21. Let's move mountains to accelerate and expand consciousness friends! :grouphug:

7th November 2012, 18:16
If the world ends in December there is nothing I can do about it so I'm not worrying :) Worrying isn't going to fix it. I will just live my life as normal trying to show love and understanding to everyone and try to fix the world by setting a good example.

7th November 2012, 18:23
More shall be revealed still, I am sure. For example where did the mayans get thier calendar making methods from. Still looking for a realease of the 2012 movie about the mayans, the calender and other information that the mexican governments said it would release back in 2010/2011. Anyone have any current info on that?

7th November 2012, 18:36
I googled the subject and came up with this page that has a wide vareity of links some of which talk about codices that have been around for some time hidden away, that talk about things past 2012. and various things about that info being released , as well as the Mexican government releasing it's actual findings that go back further than the discovery in the OP.

7th November 2012, 18:42
So many people with SO many ideas .... i mean what about Patrick Geryl anyone ?

didnt he think that he had decoded some of the dresden codex which he said explains the sun spot cycle...:confused:

7th November 2012, 19:20
So many people with SO many ideas .... i mean what about Patrick Geryl anyone ?

didnt he think that he had decoded some of the dresden codex which he said explains the sun spot cycle...:confused:

Hi Mutchie, Yes, I've currently been watching Geryl's predictions and he has been right on for the last 6 earthquakes (larger than 6.5+). He can't say where they'll happen, but he can (apparently) determine the magnitude based on planetary lineups. He does predict a 10+ magnitude for December 21, which he sees as a doomsday scenario. .... Don't know if he's aaccurate on the doomsday thing, but as I said his predictions as to magnitude and date, have been accurate since I've been watching them. Latest he predicted as 7+ between Nov7 & 8, and today (11/7) there was a 7.4 off shore Guatamala.

7th November 2012, 19:20
Why has it taken so long for people to come to grip with some reality on the subject?

From: http://www.henrymakow.com/:

Debunking the Mayan Calendar "Prophecy"

November 6, 2012

https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pjQvMsZEnCPKiy53MMe5_4v7NLrw0s7UwK8fbem2x2ngzo5x ZodtOBcyFjahq9hTODfSbcA9LDP_6bTdXQQLaoqg8nKS_K1Wt/Monolito_de_la_Piedra_del_Sol.jpg?psid=1
The "Mayan Calendar" (above) is in fact an Aztec artifact. The real Mayan Calendar (seen below) does not prophesize a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon)cataclysm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon) on Dec. 21 2012, but just the end of a 5100-year cycle.

by Martha Lopez

Why is it that whenever someone warns about the Mayan Calendar and the end of the world, he is pointing at the Aztec "Stone of the Sun"?

Yes, that picture of the "Mayan Calendar" is not Mayan, and is not even a calendar. The "Stone of the Sun" is a graphical representation of the Aztec cosmology.

The "Piedra del Sol" ("Stone of the Sun") simply shows Aztec pictographs that form a calendar.

Yet if you go to Google images, it is identified as "The Mayan Calendar." (https://www.google.ca/search?q=the+mayan+calendar&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=QXCYUITPEOyr2AX9gIHoAg&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1680&bih=919)

If they can't get the Calendar straight, how can we take the prophesy of doom seriously?

Both, Aztecs and Mayans, had not just one calendar, they had many.

They both shared cyclical calendars of different durations: 365, 260, and 18, 980 days.

The "Stone of the Sun" simply shows all the pictographs that represent all those counts (Here's an explanation of the symbols) (http://www.tokenrock.com/explain-Aztec-Calendar-Stone-184.html)).

Imagine having a circle with the names of centuries written in the center, years, months and days around them concentrically. Not really a calendar. Close, but you wouldn't be able to tell which day today is.

The 2012 end of the world date comes from the Mayan "long count" calendar.

The Aztecs did have the concept of eras (which are represented in the center of the stone), which each ended in cataclysms. I know you may be thinking "AHA! Cataclysm.

That's "end-of-the-world-like!" but if you consider that the last era ended when all people were turned into monkeys and dispersed into the jungles and forests, you may want to reconsider who you are trusting with your end of the world prophesies. (To read of all the crazy s&#t the Aztecs believed, see Alfonso Caso's "People of the Sun". Fascinating, scary, beautiful, brutal and poetic, all in one.)

The "Stone of the Sun" was discovered on December 1790, in the heart of Mexico City (central Mexico), under the ruins of what had been the Aztec empire's capital. (Map of the Aztec empire.) (http://www.crystalinks.com/aztec.html)

The Mayan empire was based out of southern Mexico (Yucatan, Quintana Roo, Chiapas, etc.) and Central America (about 1000km away.)

The Mayans flourished around between 250 and 900 AD, while the Aztecs were in full bloom when the Spanish arrived (500 years later.)

Both civilizations had similarities, but were by no means the same. Equating them is like calling Canadians Americans, Norwegians Swedish, Greeks Romans, or you by your grandpa's name. Not the same.

Today you can view it at Mexico City's (http://www.mna.inah.gob.mx/index.php/salas-de-exhibicion/permanentes/arqueologia/mexica.html) National Museum of Anthropology, Mexica (another word for Aztec) exhibit.

I've been there, and admired it many times in all its glory. It's breathtaking and massive (it's almost 4m in diameter, and it weighs about 24 tons), and very, very Aztec.


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pfC_1YGfjnZNgNHICnGaX6Ug8NauKm7TUnQctixDObMAU-Hlr7TIN_2Tw5rMOAP7cdyZmjB4fc0DEnVpwUFgmxJLVhx7KSEA I/tortuguero_2012_1.jpg?psid=1

This is the actual Mayan stone that talks about the end of the current, 13th, Baktun ("long count") cycle, but all it really says is the date of the end of the cycle, and the name of the god (or group of gods) that would be in charge of the 14th Baktun, Bolon Yookte K'uh. Does that mean we'll all be eaten by Jaguars?

I don't think so (unless you live in a Jaguar infested neighborhood) Remember, those cataclysms at the end of eras are Aztec, not Mayan (I searched, and couldn't find evidence of world ending events at the ends of Baktuns).

One cycle ends, another begins. After December 31st comes January 1st. Lets party, like it's 4 Ahau 3 Kankin!

http://pueblosoriginarios.com/meso/maya/sitios/tortuguero_6.html (http://pueblosoriginarios.com/meso/maya/sitios/tortuguero_6.html)
Watch this You Tube which elaborates on the above (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8IIIdozvueo)

Doomsday Prophecy Debunked by Houston Museum (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/geekquinox/2012-mayan-calendar-doomsday-prophecy-debunked-houston-museum-191313082.html)


7th November 2012, 21:05
What Hunzbatz Men is saying is very similar to what is in the ancient East Indian texts about the various cycles of time, the golden, silver, bronze and iron ages.

Some people say we are still in the Iron age (Kali Yuga) which lasts 1,200 years but the vedic traditions say we are currently in the ascending Bronze age (Dwapara Yuga) which began in 1699 AD and will go untill 4099 AD. lasting 2,400 years. Then will come the Silver age (Treta Yuga) which is supposed to go from 4099 AD to 7699 AD, lasting 3,600 years. Finally the ascending Golden age (Satya Yuga) from 7699 AD to 12,499 AD which takes 4,800 years to complete. The whole cycle according to the information in the book Lost Star of Myth and Time takes 24,000 years to complete one decending & ascending cycle. According to the book, we came out of the decending Iron age about 300 years ago, and are now entering the ascending cycles.

I hope this information is reasonably accurate, as it means things are looking up! I think there is some merit in it as knowledge seems to have dramatically increased around that time frame. Now if only we can start increasing our spiritual knowledge as well.

Star Tsar
9th November 2012, 00:04
Check out what this guy has to say about 2012 & The LHC!

What do you think?


Humble Janitor
9th November 2012, 01:25
It's the end of this horrific world as we know it.

The awakening, not destruction, of the masses.