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watchZEITGEISTnow
8th November 2012, 07:50
This kinda sucks...
http://www.alexcollier.org/

by Alex Collier dot org on Wednesday, November 7th, 2012 | 2 Comments

Late last night I was sent a message from Carlos from Shiny Demise bearing bad tidings from Alex CollierÖ

ďCarlos, Thank you for your friendship and support. My friend, I no longer have a phone (non payment) and We have a roof over our head until Saturday morning. On that afternoon we may and could be on the street. I no longer want to speak. The PTB have won. And it makes my stomach sick to ask for money. The more I speak the more my loved ones suffer. I am done. I have nothing left to give. Be well my friend. You are a brave and noble knightÖÖ Sincerely, AlexĒÖ

This morning I received a similar message from Rui CarvalhoÖ

ďRui, I hope you are well. Here is where we are at in this moment. I donít think I can do it anymore. I have no phone. Its been shut down for nonpayment. We have a roof over our head until saturday morning. Saturday night we are living on the street. This is what it is. I am sick to my stomach having to ask for money. The PTB have made sure that I remain isolated and they have won. I am very tired and I really no longer want or have the will to speak. Its too hard and my loved ones are suffering. Iím done. I thought you should know. Please forgive me. I have nothing left to give. America is a lost cause, and my spirit is broken. Sincerely, AlexĒÖ

It seems that Alex Collierís spirit is broken due to continued stresses relating to financial issues and pressure to keep him isolated from constant attacks. We must not allow this to happen so I implore you to hold an image of a positive future for him and to help him let go of his fear. Message Alex Collier and tell him how much we love and appreciate him and that he is needed to help guide humanity through these troubling times. We cannot allow any of us to be left behind, we must stick together with one common goal, to free humanity from the bondage of tyranny anyway we can. We are all one and together we can defeat anything. If you can help him with a financial donation, please send him what you can. If you can help Alex Collier in other ways, please do whatever you canÖ

Please message Alex by using the contact form, or via his email: ivanhoe1818@live.com

If you wish to send him a personal message and/or a financial donation, please do so:
Alex Collier P.O. Box 795, Morrison, CO 80465, USA.

Please Donate To Alex Collier, Anything You Can Afford Will Be Appreciated

Crap! :(

astrid
8th November 2012, 08:11
Crap alright, sounds like he has been got to.
I will give him all the support i can from my end.

Thanks for the heads up.

ulli
8th November 2012, 10:53
Here is a website where family, friends and neighbors can get together and help raise funds for someone in need.
This might work well for Alex. Whoever knows him well enough ought to write a little article about his dilemma,
and then get the cash to him. The site only charges 7% fees.

http://www.giveforward.com/

WhiteFeather
8th November 2012, 13:06
You can Paypal him directly, With any amount....send it here: ivanhoe1818@live.com

Mutchie
8th November 2012, 15:15
in Britain we get unemployment benefits which amount to around £150 a fortnight its enough to keep you eating etc and we also get housing benefits to pay rent doesnt america do this ?

Carmody
8th November 2012, 16:19
in Britain we get unemployment benefits which amount to around £150 a fortnight its enough to keep you eating etc and we also get housing benefits to pay rent doesnt america do this ?

What!!?!! That would be socialist! caring for the people, by the people...doing things right. To hell with that! This is expansionist fascism! (sorry!) I mean, capitalism! (Freudian slip, there...)


America is so screwed up, that they only count the people who are on the unemployed list as being unemployed.

The deal is that..those who are on the list of unemployed, are only on it for a certain amount of time.

So when America says it only has, what 8% unemployment, or whatever, this is only taking into account the people on the list. Which 3-4-5x that number of people have been removed, rotated off of the list.

The real unemployment rate in the USA, which is not reported by the government, is headed into, or is... a 'real' 20% or more, IIRC. definitely higher.

I'm not aware of ANY other country that commits to such a baldfaced lie about their employment levels.

No-one connected to government, banks or corporations talks about this, as this can spark actual revolutions.

Also, the financial situation (as a direct comparison of numbers and conditions) in America is far worse than in Greece, Spain, or wherever. Far, far worse.

gooty64
8th November 2012, 16:29
Yes I will send a small amount to Alex.
But it's getting old.
What is really going on with Alex?
Why is he so tortured?
Why can't he settle down?
:noidea:
done $30

christian
8th November 2012, 21:38
I don't quite understand how someone as knowledgable and talented as him doesn't find a way to make a living. If I were broke, I'd join an intentional community and work for food and accomodation. Whatever situation you find yourself in is meant to teach you something, so take the bull by the horns. There's always a way, the only question is: Are you willing to take it on? Are you willing to change, to go through dirt, blood, sweat, and tears? What is your other option anyways, despairing?

I never saw a wild thing
sorry for itself.
A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough
without ever having felt sorry for itself.
ó D.H. Lawrence

Mutchie
9th November 2012, 04:28
i never realised the situation in america was so bad ... Im all for helping Alex i love his talks etc i mean at first years ago i was really sceptical of him but he has such a vast knowledge of the earth and its history and the whole solar system that after a while i decided there was to much information there for it not to be true...BUT he needs to find some sort of job ... i mean does the fact that he is known as a contactee go against him ?

Nanoo Nanoo
9th November 2012, 04:36
A dear friend once said to me. . . .

" damn, if i didnt do those last three miracles, i wouldnt be on this cross. . . "

Alex, you will find a way. I know

N
N

Flash
9th November 2012, 04:43
in Britain we get unemployment benefits which amount to around £150 a fortnight its enough to keep you eating etc and we also get housing benefits to pay rent doesnt america do this ?

Just realised that Carmody "stole" my words which were : are you kidding, these benefits you are describing are the reflection of how badly terrible socialists Brits are.

In USA, you have nothing and can be left destitute very easily. If your mother is sick and you do not have a work protecting her (which most do not) with its insurance, you may end up in the street trying to pay for her treatments, if your kid is sick and you do not have insurances from work, you may end up living in your car with the sick kid because you had to sell what you had in order to pay for exceptionally high hospital bills (much higher than in any "socialist" country, thanks to thief insurers).

Becoming destitute is very easy in USA, just a few bad lucks and you are in the street. In the Western developed world, this is THE country that take the LEAST care of its destitutes or just of its people who had bad luck, while it is the country that has the MOST jails. And while it is the country that has the most Christian fundamentalists which are mostly Republican and pro extreme capitalism. Go figure.

Hurray Canada, I do have health insurance all around without having to panick if I lose my job, like in Britain, I will have the minimum to put bad noodle and peanut butter food on my table and if sharing with other, be able to live somewhere.

Little editing: Europeans are often naive when it comes to USA standard of living. They are good, but not for everyone. If you are in the bottom third of the society (and you can slide into it easily), life sucks.

For US citizen: food stamps are nothing when compared with the help given to the widow and orphans in the rest of the western world.

modwiz
9th November 2012, 05:09
in Britain we get unemployment benefits which amount to around £150 a fortnight its enough to keep you eating etc and we also get housing benefits to pay rent doesnt america do this ?

America won't even pay for the lubricant to stick it in your rear.

gooty64
9th November 2012, 05:13
i can't believe you just said that out loud!


in Britain we get unemployment benefits which amount to around £150 a fortnight its enough to keep you eating etc and we also get housing benefits to pay rent doesnt america do this ?

America won't even pay for the lubricant to stick it in your rear.

Mutchie
9th November 2012, 05:32
Flash is right i had assumed that the american dream was a reality which most folks could aspire to but if your out of work it sounds like life could get real tough real fast..... its a scary thought

Rahkyt
9th November 2012, 05:38
You can get three hots and a cot in jail. In America, that is.

Many have no place else to go.

A man without a job who doesnt qualify for unemployment is on his own. Women too, if they dont have kids.

Paul
9th November 2012, 05:47
I've found American medicine a whole lot easier to deal with once I stopped participating in any medical insurance plans. From what I can tell, they are scaring us all into barbaric procedures with threats of disease and destitution.

The honest health and food, that I learn about through my own research and self observation, and pay for what I can of with my own cash, is a vast improvement. One of the major reasons I am on this forum is the information sharing on health and nutrition.

Conventional American medicine and conventional American health insurance via the employer or government, are both part of the problem, not the solution. Good riddance.

Flash
9th November 2012, 05:51
So you get teenager girls who do not want to finish high school making babies like crazy to get food stamp and a roof away from mom.

And you have drug addict mom making kids like crazy to have food stamps they will resell in order to buy drugs (yes, the kids are starving) and a roof.

In both cases, the roof is often in the worst environment one can dream of.

gripreaper
9th November 2012, 05:51
All that socialism is based on a paradigm of scarcity, one which Alex was attempting to expose. The fact that technology is AT LEAST 100 years advanced from what we get (see Bill and Kerry's just released pilot) means we need to give up our paradigm and beliefs around scarcity, and yes, I'll send Alex some FRN's. They're just paper promises which could explode at any time, if we wake up and realize they are part of the scarcity paradigm.

He's beat down and needs a leg up. Been there, done that. Simple empathy, nothing else. A lesson in empathy illustrates that which the elite do not have, not a single ounce.

Flash
9th November 2012, 05:57
You cannot have more scarcity paradigm when destitute in the slums of North American cities. The talk is good and true gripreaper, but in the transition, this kind of scarcity is very difficult, mostly when with children.
There is also a question of age. Much more difficult to find anything else if old or recognised as a nut case (do not forget, employers do look at the internet and punch your name on google, facebook, linked in)

Jules
9th November 2012, 06:04
I had no idea that things were getting this way for Alex, didn't see it coming anyway... I have compassion for anyone going through hardships. I'll pray about it, and see...

Hervť
9th November 2012, 06:05
To make matter worse, Alex promised not to make money from the knowledge his Andromedan contacts imparted to him... painted into a corner it's called.

modwiz
9th November 2012, 06:32
All that socialism is based on a paradigm of scarcity, one which Alex was attempting to expose. The fact that technology is AT LEAST 100 years advanced from what we get (see Bill and Kerry's just released pilot) means we need to give up our paradigm and beliefs around scarcity, and yes, I'll send Alex some FRN's. They're just paper promises which could explode at any time, if we wake up and realize they are part of the scarcity paradigm.

He's beat down and needs a leg up. Been there, done that. Simple empathy, nothing else. A lesson in empathy illustrates that which the elite do not have, not a single ounce.

You moved me, Grip. It does not matter if he deserves it. He needs it, his plight is in my face so that means something. I had $20.92 in my paypal account and he got 15 of it. I told my son he could have some money for his birthday on the 5th, but he didn't take it yet. He will be surprised to see he has only a little more than 5 dollars. I know he is warm and fed.

Demeisen
9th November 2012, 08:59
The message in OP has been removed from alexcollier.org. Now the latest news is the live show 11.11.2012.
I was under impression that Alex will not be speaking for now. I wonder whats going on.

Marin
9th November 2012, 09:02
Like many of you, I respect Alex's work. He's put himself out there...in many different ways.

I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what he's going through. I don't. However, I do know, from what he shared with me a few months back, this isn't easy. That's clear.

This is how I see it: We have an opportunity to give back. In many different ways. Let's find a way.

Poly Hedra
9th November 2012, 09:47
My thoughts are with him. i hope he is ok and everything wotks out for him.

apokalypse
9th November 2012, 11:53
what happen with 2nd interview with Journey with Rebeca? from first interview Q & A on the show with Alex (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49674-Alex-Collier-LIVE-for-Q-A---Sept-11-2012-), he revealed that they have already done recorded interview about technology which will be in few weeks but over a month now still nothing...

anyone knows what happen to 2nd interview?

jackovesk
9th November 2012, 13:32
There is obviously more to this story than meets the eye...:shocked:

Never been one to guess what others are really thinking without hearing the (Real) story 1st hand...:nono:

Some say Alex is a Broken man...:noidea: :confused:

If true..??? Quite frankly, Mr Collier only has himself to blame...:yes4:

Reality always manages to throw-up some curve balls, yes-sir-reeee...

Its "HOW" you deal with them that sets you apart from the rest...:wizard:

For those of you still in 'Therapy'...Stop waisting your $$$Money - Deal with it & Get on with the rest of your life...:)

Mike Gorman
9th November 2012, 15:01
Alex should build a membership website, where he can talk to the folks that resonate with his teachings, and earn a few quid from it also,
for an investment of a domain name and a hosting account, he could run his own show and never have to beg again....

DreamsInDigital
9th November 2012, 17:30
I think one of the biggest things people either are unaware of or overlooking. Incarnates and Contactees of ETs like Alex Collier, are viciously targeted by the Cabal and Government, for speaking out, and even if they DON'T speak out, but just make any waves at all, or even just for being an Incarnate. They do nasty things like financial assassination, preventing you from being able to get work, jobs, food resources, etc. They threaten you and your family, friends, anyone you make contact with to isolate you, and cause emotional damage/trauma. It's one of those dirty little secrets of the Cabal/Black Ops Secret/Shadow Government. Incarnates are hunted like animals. Even I have been targeted myself for being an Incarnate. And you really don't have to do ANYTHING, just be and they will find ways to target you and prevent you from getting anything, jobs, etc. I don't speak about my contact experiences publicly for the simple reason I don't want to turn out like Alex Collier and be homeless without anything to fall back on, I'd rather keep my mouth shut and have a warm place to live and food in my belly.

naochan
10th November 2012, 00:55
I just read the following message at alexcollier.org.


Current Status of Alex CollierÖ
by Alex Collier dot org on Friday, November 9th, 2012
Dear FriendsÖ
I am receiving messages from many people regarding what is happening with Alex Collier. From what I gather from email conversations with Alex Collier and others that he is to retire from public life in order to be with his family and rebuild his life away from this arena. Myself and others tried to convince him otherwise and that he is a great asset to us all, but his mind is made up.



He is determined to retire from the public arena.

This saddens me, but I also understand that he is really, really tired, has had enough of it all...

Just sad to know this. :sad:

naomi

modwiz
10th November 2012, 01:07
There is obviously more to this story than meets the eye...:shocked:

Never been one to guess what others are really thinking without hearing the (Real) story 1st hand...:nono:

Some say Alex is a Broken man...:noidea: :confused:

If true..??? Quite frankly, Mr Collier only has himself to blame...:yes4:

Reality always manages to throw-up some curve balls, yes-sir-reeee...

Its "HOW" you deal with them that sets you apart from the rest...:wizard:

For those of you still in 'Therapy'...Stop waisting your $$$Money - Deal with it & Get on with the rest of your life...:)

He always looked "well fed" in a pics I saw of him. I am glad to have given some small amount though. I would rather be taken in for a sob story than not respond to a real call for help. Even one that is self inflicted.

Sith73
10th November 2012, 02:19
This is why I hate money all together. Whats it going to take for people to see the truth of whats happening to people across America? Losing a job sucks, but losing your home sucks big time. No money to buy food. The poor keep getting poor and the rich keep getting rich. A revolution is needed to change the country. You and I know that. The PTB will keep screwing us all over and calling people terrorist because they can. Strength in numbers. "Where thought goes energy flows". We all have the power to make things right. Always remember what you are!

modwiz
10th November 2012, 02:26
This is why I hate money all together. Whats it going to take for people to see the truth of whats happening to people across America? Losing a job sucks, but losing your home sucks big time. No money to buy food. The poor keep getting poor and the rich keep getting rich. A revolution is needed to change the country. You and I know that. The PTB will keep screwing us all over and calling people terrorist because they can. Strength in numbers. "Where thought goes energy flows". We all have the power to make things right. Always remember what you are!

A revolution in how people think and perceive. Everything else will follow from that. Locked inside our prison minds, we're the prison keepers, we hold the key.

gripreaper
10th November 2012, 02:35
Here's what happens when you fall out of the system. Some get right back in and keep running on the hamster wheel, while others figure out it is futile.

http://i.imgur.com/zD4X8.gif

Once you try and go outside the system you realize there are few options. It can break you down, and deciding how to proceed can be tough. Grace is needed when one reaches that epic conclusion, and what to do next.

RunningDeer
10th November 2012, 04:10
For those of you still in 'Therapy'...Stop waisting your $$$Money - Deal with it & Get on with the rest of your life...:)

Jackovesk, I recall a couple of times when therapy saved my life...

I'm a bad a$$ fire walker. "I can deal with it and get on with the rest of my life." And have. Yes, life happens. But now I add, it's okay to reach out for help. You don't have to go it alone.

Last April, Alex made a call for help similar to this one. I donated. It was my way of thanking him for all that he's given to humanity.
I will hit the pay pal button again. :wizard:


There is obviously more to this story than meets the eye...:shocked:

Never been one to guess what others are really thinking without hearing the (Real) story 1st hand...:nono:

Some say Alex is a Broken man...:noidea: :confused:

If true..??? Quite frankly, Mr Collier only has himself to blame...:yes4:

Reality always manages to throw-up some curve balls, yes-sir-reeee...

Its "HOW" you deal with them that sets you apart from the rest...:wizard:

For those of you still in 'Therapy'...Stop waisting your $$$Money - Deal with it & Get on with the rest of your life...:)

RunningDeer
10th November 2012, 04:41
You can Paypal him directly, With any amount....send it here: ivanhoe1818@live.com

This option is convenient too because it has the pay pal button right on the site: http://www.alexcollier.org.

It stated: Ivanhoe1818@live.com is the DONATIONS COORDINATOR CONTACT INFORMATION (once you go through the site).

Whippet
10th November 2012, 07:38
Can't someone get Alex's ET friends to help him out? They kinda got him in this mess, after all.

Demeisen
10th November 2012, 09:20
I'm certainly sad for his decision to retire. But he has the every right to do so and maybe it's the best decision he could make right now.
I suppose this is the result of his decision to help humanity for free.
I thank him for everything he has done for us. My life he has changed for sure.
It's a real bummer...

apokalypse
10th November 2012, 11:40
i want to hear his last word before he go...

Hervť
10th November 2012, 13:05
???

From: http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/main/hosts/show-schedules/ever-beyond/121111-alex-collier-the-reappearance/

Hosts (http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/main/hosts/) Ľ Show Schedules (http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/main/hosts/show-schedules/) Ľ Ever Beyond (http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/main/hosts/show-schedules/ever-beyond/) Ľ 121111 - Alex Collier - The Reappearance
121111 - Alex Collier - The Reappearance

Posted by jay pee on 3 November 2012
Sunday 11th November 2012 The Reappearance of Alex Collier


I am especially honoured to be speaking with Alex Collier, one of the earliest ET Contactees to be exposed to the alternative media. His path has taken him through some rather rough waters, and he has been reluctant to return to the public eye. After many years of Soul-Searching, Alex has decided to come back to speak publicly again, but this time in the context of a Science Fiction author. Many of the films we see these days are revealing things about the true nature of the world around us, including the deception and abuse that goes on behind the scenes. Recent Scandals in the UK and USA also show these to be very thin veneers that are finally starting to crack. There are also technologies that exist in the real world which have been dumped into the "Science-Fantasy" world, like Anti-Gravity, and teleportation technologies. These realities have been discussed in some detail on other Ever Beyond shows.

Our conversation will sail the shallow shorelines of the oceans of knowledge that Alex carries with him. The teachings he derived from the Andromedans, Thissaus and Morenay could span many many days or even months of interview, and perhaps many of the listeners to the show and its archives will receive telepathic impressions that will open up the space for them to make their own enquiries. Create new "Domains of Knowing", as he calls them.

Please Join us on Sunday 11th November 2012 at 3pm Pacific Time, 11pm UK time for the Reappearance of Alex Collier.

RunningDeer
10th November 2012, 14:50
Can't someone get Alex's ET friends to help him out? They kinda got him in this mess, after all.

Hello Whippet,

The good news is that it's a free choice existence. We are empowered and strong Beings that sometimes forget along the way.

They didn't "get him in this mess". Alex choose to assist humanity. As with all of us, when we choose to live life in a full-on experiential way, we create opportunities to discover the brilliance of it All. We are free to use creative intelligence, problem solve, and pull out from a place within that we never knew existed.

Sometimes, we need others to help remember by way of a kind gesture, or words of encouragement. In Alexís case, I see money as a symbol of ďI believe in you, even if you donít at this crossroad. Hang in there, my Brother. I see you.Ē

Peace,
WhiiteCrowBlackDeer

Michelle Marie
10th November 2012, 15:05
Flash is right i had assumed that the american dream was a reality which most folks could aspire to but if your out of work it sounds like life could get real tough real fast..... its a scary thought

I got the American Dream for you right here.

Got my education degree. [husband left me for married pregnant woman right after adopting a baby] Divorced. Taught public school. Got master's degree. Married/divorced. Moved to France for 1 year job in telecommunications. Moved back to states for another year of public school. Paid off house. Sold house. Moved to another state. Worked out of ed for 5 years. Bought townhouse. Sold townhouse. Went back to public school teaching. Taught high school full time. Received CTE certificate. BUDGET CUTS: Position was cut. Moved to another spot for a semester, then quit for reasons of spotting the naked unethical truth in public education. Taught community college for 2 years. No more work available now. On food stamps. Just filed for unemployment. We will see if I get it...

Living in my RV. No income. Not bothered, prepared.

Now I'm about to really live my dream! I wrote books over the last 12 years, started a non-profit, and developed personal transformation classes and events. I'm going to work with youth/and teens who are super sensitive to help them discover their inner gifts and calling, work with group consciousness, and personal transformation.

I've never stopped dreaming, and I never will.
Michelle Marie

Michelle Marie
10th November 2012, 15:10
This is just where the rubber meets the road in true Trust.

Inside out.

Trust.;)

And always...we are our brother's keeper. Praying and sending angels of abundance...

Black Panther
10th November 2012, 15:24
The most important thing is helping eachother. Instead of working against eachother
we have to work together. Like my friend Rob Halford posted on CIA's Facebook:

19158

So if you say it is his own fault you don't understand
a thing of why we are here together this time and
I don't understand why being a member of this forum.

I've donated money the last time and he replied:

"Martijn, With all my heart I say thank you. My God what a journey.
Thank you for your kindness......It will always be remembered. Alex"

Of course we all make our own decision to donate money,
but feeling sorry for the situation he is in right now is the
least we can do or send some positive thoughts his way.

:wizard:

Maia Gabrial
10th November 2012, 16:37
Why doesn't Alex write a book on his experiences? It can be categorized as Sci Fi so that it manifest into a published book. Even if he has to go out of the country to do this, he should try this. The money would serve him... Aren't there others in the same boat as him who live off the sales of their books? Alex Collier is a gold mine of information.... He needs to realize it. IMO he should forget anymore speaking tours. He's done that successfully and doesn't need to cover the same ground. Now, he needs to put it all in writing. And something tells me that his book would be incredible... I'm tempted to email him and say so....

Hervť
10th November 2012, 16:59
Why doesn't Alex write a book on his experiences? It can be categorized as Sci Fi ...

[...]

Helloooo?

This is posted on the previous page... where have you been?





... Alex has decided to come back to speak publicly again, but this time in the context of a Science Fiction author.

[...]

Please Join us on Sunday 11th November 2012 at 3pm Pacific Time, 11pm UK time for the Reappearance of Alex Collier.

RunningDeer
10th November 2012, 17:27
Why doesn't Alex write a book on his experiences? It can be categorized as Sci Fi ...
[...]
Helloooo?
This is posted on the previous page... where have you been?



... Alex has decided to come back to speak publicly again, but this time in the context of a Science Fiction author.
[...]
Please Join us on Sunday 11th November 2012 at 3pm Pacific Time, 11pm UK time for the Reappearance of Alex Collier.

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And no time for sun, fun and family, Paula. You must read all posts and all threads, if you want to be a part of this enlightened community.

PS
Paula, that first sentence is too long. Make two, you sh$tbird, you!
Paula do you need that comma in the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph?
And shouldnít you spell out 2nd?
You shouldn't use shouldn't.
Paula, too many Paulaís in such a short post.


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Chris Gilbert
10th November 2012, 18:58
Looks like I need to place some healing energy in the Akasha for Alex...

vilcabamba
10th November 2012, 19:25
I've donated a couple of times and i'm not working right now. Have no income coming in. If i had money i would send him a couple thousand dollars? Any rich folks on this board have some money you can send him? What if 1000 of us sent him each 20 dollars to keep him ok for a while.

Whippet
21st November 2012, 02:53
They didn't "get him in this mess". Alex choose to assist humanity.
You should go back and listen to his lectures again. If I remember right, Alex wasn't exactly a volunteer, and more than once wanted to opt out. In that case, wouldn't the ETs share some of the responsibility for his situation?

RunningDeer
21st November 2012, 04:01
They didn't "get him in this mess". Alex choose to assist humanity.
You should go back and listen to his lectures again. If I remember right, Alex wasn't exactly a volunteer, and more than once wanted to opt out. In that case, wouldn't the ETs share some of the responsibility for his situation?


You should go back and listen to his lectures again.
And why is that?


If I remember right, Alex wasn't exactly a volunteer,...
This statement doesnít make it so.

Alex Collier, like all of us, is here to experience this 3D world. You may be interested in several places on this vid I've included below: 1:55 Where he says, ď...I agreed to put out...Ē; 23:00 Alex had a chance to speak on the comment by the interviewer that it is a difficult task and heís fortunate to have this wisdom given to him; 26:12 Alex is not the only disseminator; 38:00-39:00 minutes answers your question.


ETs share some of the responsibility for his situation?
This is an opinion, not fact. Your opinion. My opinion is that Alex Collier is an empowered human being that makes his own choices. I am 100% responsible for my choices. Thatís a fact. Alex Collier is 100% responsible for his choices. Thatís my opinion.


...and more than once wanted to opt out.
Iím not aware of that, nor do I have the need to go through all his vids that go back as far as 1994, to agree or disagree with you. Though, if you want to find those vids and direct me to the time stamp, Iím more than willing to listen to them.

Have a pleasant day/evening, Whippet.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer


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apokalypse
21st November 2012, 10:29
They didn't "get him in this mess". Alex choose to assist humanity.
You should go back and listen to his lectures again. If I remember right, Alex wasn't exactly a volunteer, and more than once wanted to opt out. In that case, wouldn't the ETs share some of the responsibility for his situation?

when you can't take responsibility, now blame on the ET?

there's new transcript which posted from last month on http://www.alexcollier.org/ that people should read. one of transcript i like most is alex-collier-at-global-sciences-18th-march-2002 (http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-at-global-sciences-18th-march-2002/) where he talk about Procyons and among other things. I do believe is genuine guy but comes to information can be wrong due to misinterpretation.

Whippet
21st November 2012, 23:24
I am 100% responsible for my choices. Thatís a fact. Alex Collier is 100% responsible for his choices. Thatís my opinion.
Why is one a fact and the other opinion? Aren't they both opinions?

If Alex is 100% responsible for his choices, then so are the ETs. But the choices each makes influences the other. So are they still each 100% responsible for their choices?

Jules
21st November 2012, 23:51
I am 100% responsible for my choices. Thatís a fact. Alex Collier is 100% responsible for his choices. Thatís my opinion.
Why is one a fact and the other opinion? Aren't they both opinions?

If Alex is 100% responsible for his choices, then so are the ETs. But the choices each makes influences the other. So are they still each 100% responsible for their choices?

I think every action, returns a reaction. So the answer is Yep. That being said I have to look at my own mistakes. Not fun!

RunningDeer
22nd November 2012, 00:55
I am 100% responsible for my choices. Thatís a fact. Alex Collier is 100% responsible for his choices. Thatís my opinion.
Why is one a fact and the other opinion? Aren't they both opinions?

If Alex is 100% responsible for his choices, then so are the ETs. But the choices each makes influences the other. So are they still each 100% responsible for their choices?

Hello Whippet,

You didn't read as I intended. I am speaking for myself when I say, "I am 100% responsible for my choices. Thatís a fact." That is a fact because I know I am an empowered human, not a victim. Whereas, it's an opinion when I state, "Alex Collier is 100% responsible for his choices. Thatís my opinion." I am not him, so I cannot speak for another's life path nor their decisions.


If Alex is 100% responsible for his choices, then so are the ETs.

The "if this, then that" doesn't necessarily follow. I don't apply human characteristics to ET, just like I don't apply human characteristics to my dog, Wolfie. I don't assume that ET's have the same agendas, emotions, or intents as Alex. He agreed to be a spokesperson. That is his choice. He can choice to not do so as well. Why? Because humanity lives on a free will planet whether they are aware of it or not. Alex is free to be empowered or a victim or vacillate in between. That is, until he figures out how he wants to play out his life or recall his contract before coming to this life.


But the choices each makes influences the other. So are they still each 100% responsible for their choices?

Iíd agree to the point that our choices may influence others, and then again, they may not simply because of free choice. The best one can do is trigger whatís ready to awaken in another.

I wouldnít make the leap that ďBut the choices each makes influences the other. So are they still each 100% responsible for their choices?Ē This is not a Ďif/thení to me. They are two separate concepts. Too, there are contracts agreed upon before entering which play an important part in this grand theater.

I can speak for myself. I am always responsible for my decisions. My perception of the world is that everyone is responsible for their evolution. But if your statement is meant that someone elseís actions are responsible for my having to make a choice. No. Their actions are theirs no matter how I want it to play out.

I can choose to get sucked into someone elseís decisions/dramas, but itís still a choice. I donít blame nor play victim. I either walk. Or, I assess my decision(s) and refine along the way. But it is always to the degree of empowerment and expansion of consciousness. This I know to be a fact for myself.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Lancelot
22nd November 2012, 01:19
Thank god for socialism.... Never thought Id say that.

eva08
22nd November 2012, 05:24
I believe he followed his path perfectly and I am ever so grateful to his years of dedication.

Whippet
22nd November 2012, 05:50
That is a fact because I know I am an empowered human, not a victim.
Isn't that an opinion?


I don't apply human characteristics to ET, just like I don't apply human characteristics to my dog, Wolfie.
I was assuming you would think that anything that makes choices must be 100% responsible for its choices. This is not the case? Humans are somehow different when it comes to being responsible for their choices?



Iíd agree to the point that our choices may influence others, and then again, they may not simply because of free choice. The best one can do is trigger whatís ready to awaken in another.

There may be no limit to what's ready to awaken in another. Wouldn't influence be an inevitable factor in that case?


I wouldnít make the leap that ďBut the choices each makes influences the other. So are they still each 100% responsible for their choices?Ē This is not a Ďif/thení to me. They are two separate concepts.
So are you saying outside influence does not remove your responsibility for your choices? So even if you are mind-controlled, you are 100% responsible for your choices?

Sorry, but I'm just not clear on your perspective.

RunningDeer
22nd November 2012, 13:38
That is a fact because I know I am an empowered human, not a victim.
Isn't that an opinion?


I don't apply human characteristics to ET, just like I don't apply human characteristics to my dog, Wolfie.
I was assuming you would think that anything that makes choices must be 100% responsible for its choices. This is not the case? Humans are somehow different when it comes to being responsible for their choices?



Iíd agree to the point that our choices may influence others, and then again, they may not simply because of free choice. The best one can do is trigger whatís ready to awaken in another.

There may be no limit to what's ready to awaken in another. Wouldn't influence be an inevitable factor in that case?


I wouldnít make the leap that ďBut the choices each makes influences the other. So are they still each 100% responsible for their choices?Ē This is not a Ďif/thení to me. They are two separate concepts.
So are you saying outside influence does not remove your responsibility for your choices? So even if you are mind-controlled, you are 100% responsible for your choices?

Sorry, but I'm just not clear on your perspective.

Hello Whippet,

Iíll leave you with the ending first:

Life is about the experiential, not living in the mind of pondering round and round. When one sees and takes action until no more action is needed, the a victim of mind games no longer is. Go within, your answers are there. Get out of your own way and allow them to bubble up to where you see and/or hear them. Question and answers reside in the same place and often they are one and the same. They are a matched set ready to break open and be free of them. Thatís a fact and truth for me.



Isn't that an opinion?

That question tells me that you did not read what I wrote. Itís an opinion to you because you are not me. Itís fact because I have countless times proven it to be so in my life. Thatís an experiential and provable fact.


I was assuming you would think that anything that makes choices must be 100% responsible for its choices. This is not the case? Humans are somehow different when it comes to being responsible for their choices?


You are talking in circles, or the comprehension retention is not sparkly enough (in this moment) for understanding what Iíve explained in the last several responses. One suggestion is to read or re-read what I wrote. Only this time with intent to see from an unbiased mind. One that rises above the personal game one has in the mind.


There may be no limit to what's ready to awaken in another. Wouldn't influence be an inevitable factor in that case?

Maybe, maybe not.


So are you saying outside influence does not remove your responsibility for your choices? So even if you are mind-controlled, you are 100% responsible for your choices?
Sorry, but I'm just not clear on your perspective.

One is mind controlled until ones see this is so and changes even if only in increments, or in the next ah-ha nano second. Again, itís okay that you donít see how I do. Our understanding of the path is different. Thatís what makes diversity of the 3D so exciting and so perfect from a more generalized perspective.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Whippet
22nd November 2012, 19:05
That question tells me that you did not read what I wrote.
Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you? In my opinion, I read what you wrote, and with very good comprehension.


Itís an opinion to you because you are not me. Itís fact because I have countless times proven it to be so in my life. Thatís an experiential and provable fact.
This is probably where the contention lies. Your opinion, regardless of how well satisfied you are with it, is not fact. There are no facts, there are only opinions. Opinions, like experiences, are subjective. You even said so yourself - "because you are not me."

RunningDeer
22nd November 2012, 23:02
That question tells me that you did not read what I wrote.
Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you? In my opinion, I read what you wrote, and with very good comprehension.


Itís an opinion to you because you are not me. Itís fact because I have countless times proven it to be so in my life. Thatís an experiential and provable fact.
This is probably where the contention lies. Your opinion, regardless of how well satisfied you are with it, is not fact. There are no facts, there are only opinions. Opinions, like experiences, are subjective. You even said so yourself - "because you are not me."

Hello Whippet,

You are 100% correct in your perceptions of how you see it. Your chosen word "presumptuous," bingo! You are 100% correct, again! in your world, your perceptions... Spot on!

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer


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Whippet
22nd November 2012, 23:19
Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you?
You are 100% correct in your perceptions of how you see it. Your chosen word "presumptuous," bingo! You are 100% correct, again! in your world, your perceptions... Spot on!
Thanks. That's an interesting way of answering my question, but you did answer it, probably without even being aware of it.

RunningDeer
22nd November 2012, 23:21
Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you?
You are 100% correct in your perceptions of how you see it. Your chosen word "presumptuous," bingo! You are 100% correct, again! in your world, your perceptions... Spot on!
Thanks. That's an interesting way of answering my question, but you did answer it, probably without even being aware of it.

See there again, 100% correct in your perception. You are welcome, Whippet!

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

RunningDeer
23rd November 2012, 00:20
Thanks. That's an interesting way of answering my question,..

UPDATE: Your queries are such that no matter what the answer is, it needs to be what the you want to hear.

apokalypse
23rd November 2012, 12:33
i wonder what happen to his project The Adventures of Captain Denar now?

went around search for Alex collier and i found this http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sci_fi&sort=moviemeter,desc&year=2014,2014 which doesn't anything but

from IMDB Least Popular Sci-Fi Titles Released In 2014 (http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sci_fi&sort=moviemeter,desc&year=2014,2014) it said
The Adventures of Captain Denar (2014)
Having discovered the knowledge of the Pataal, the founders of our universe, Captain Denar is being hunted by regressive races...

George Lucas should on board for this film but the title need to be change get rid of The Adventures...

Sammy
23rd November 2012, 21:19
Why doesn't Alex write a book on his experiences? It can be categorized as Sci Fi ...
[...]
Helloooo?
This is posted on the previous page... where have you been?



... Alex has decided to come back to speak publicly again, but this time in the context of a Science Fiction author.
[...]
Please Join us on Sunday 11th November 2012 at 3pm Pacific Time, 11pm UK time for the Reappearance of Alex Collier.

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Note to self... Paula, make absolutely sure you dot those ďiísĒ and cross those ďtísĒ and donít forget to use capital letters in the beginning of all your sentences! Got that?
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And no time for sun, fun and family, Paula. You must read all posts and all threads, if you want to be a part of this enlightened community.

PS
Paula, that first sentence is too long. Make two, you sh$tbird, you!
Paula do you need that comma in the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph?
And shouldnít you spell out 2nd?
You shouldn't use shouldn't.
Paula, too many Paulaís in such a short post.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/The_Scream.jpg

Great Post - hahahah - Paula holding up the mirror well (to justthisoneman) - how come I haven't see you down at the center?

Sammy
23rd November 2012, 21:22
I am 100% responsible for my choices. Thatís a fact. Alex Collier is 100% responsible for his choices. Thatís my opinion.
Why is one a fact and the other opinion? Aren't they both opinions?

If Alex is 100% responsible for his choices, then so are the ETs. But the choices each makes influences the other. So are they still each 100% responsible for their choices?

co-responsibility IMO - which I am reading to be your point in this last post - Anyways, I appreciate Alex and see nothing to blame - its just life... bring it on!

and I agree with WCBD - I am 100% responsible for my part. I might add that the line between my part and someone else's is grey and so I found I am only comfortable in accepting my 100% and not considering (judgement avoided) how much it may be someone else's or if someone else has any at all... and unfortunatley I also conclude since I am the All That Is as well, then it actually is all my 100% responsibility... did that twist anyone up good?

I am in a joyful mood, spoke with my 74 year old Mom today (we speak maybe 3 - 4 times a year) and she's still sharp as a tack. Must be that South Eastern Colorado clean air.

RunningDeer
23rd November 2012, 21:23
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Note to self... Paula, make absolutely sure you dot those ďiísĒ and cross those ďtísĒ and donít forget to use capital letters in the beginning of all your sentences! Got that?
.................................................. .......http://serve.mysmiley.net/animals/animal0019.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-party-smiles.php)
And no time for sun, fun and family, Paula. You must read all posts and all threads, if you want to be a part of this enlightened community.

PS
Paula, that first sentence is too long. Make two, you sh$tbird, you!
Paula do you need that comma in the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph?
And shouldnít you spell out 2nd?
You shouldn't use shouldn't.
Paula, too many Paulaís in such a short post.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/The_Scream.jpg

Great Post - hahahah - Paula holding up the mirror well (to justthisoneman) - how come I haven't see you down at the center?

Sir Chester, what's down at the center mean?

The good news is I am my own worst enemy. Which is another way of saying, I get to be the fix-it-and-move-on-Chicky-Babe.

Sammy
23rd November 2012, 21:36
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whip it good... in the shade... try to detect it...

Whippet
24th November 2012, 18:21
co-responsibility IMO - which I am reading to be your point in this last post
100% is an absolute extreme. It would be a rare event if anything was 100% our responsibility. All the evidence I see is that it almost never happens. There are too many inputs from the outside environment that influence everything we do. The belief that we have 100% responsibility for our choices is just a cultural mindset, similar to the old belief that the gods were responsible for our actions. In this time of increasing individual helplessness, people want to feel empowered, so they grant themselves the belief that they are in control. Actual observation suggests otherwise.

watchZEITGEISTnow
24th November 2012, 21:44
The subconscious rules - I know this, my ego even lets me say this and is OK with that.

Back on topic - lets send just love to Alex at this time of need, and leave our own agendas off this thread - perhaps you can start another about what you "believe" in OK?

ljwheat
24th November 2012, 23:53
IíM not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I donít understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVDís or recordings of his seminarís instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesnít say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless itís all false, and has no value. Ya Iíd say somethingís wrong, Big time. Either way it doesnít sound like a march of dimeís drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

Maunagarjana
25th November 2012, 01:55
IíM not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I donít understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVDís or recordings of his seminarís instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesnít say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless itís all false, and has no value. Ya Iíd say somethingís wrong, Big time. Either way it doesnít sound like a march of dimeís drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

It may be against their rules of engagement for them to do what you are suggesting. And they may take them very seriously, meaning absolutely no exceptions.

ljwheat
25th November 2012, 02:55
IíM not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I donít understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVDís or recordings of his seminarís instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesnít say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless itís all false, and has no value. Ya Iíd say somethingís wrong, Big time. Either way it doesnít sound like a march of dimeís drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

It may be against their rules of engagement for them to do what you are suggesting. And they may take them very seriously, meaning absolutely no exceptions.

This isnít star trek , and the prime directive, ďPleaseĒ Why dose God always need more money? Ruleís are human control boxís for anything we donít understand. What I am suggesting is his stories are constructs that flopped. In a growing internet backed fairy tails that lead no where.

Against there rules of engagement, is giving away you power of higher intellect to there so called higher or super intellect.

Nothing this man has said is provable or knowable, nor is Harry Potter, but relies totally on the faith of the reader or listener of the story being told to believe or not believe. Galaxy quest a movie about this very script, a lie accepted as the real thing.

It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety.

I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it. No matter how ridiculous it may look at the moment. Love and light it enough, it just might come true crap. If I wasnít bald Iíd pull my hair out.

It looks to me everyone is loosing there minds, or critical thinking. Send me a Hall Mark Card, maybe Iíll believe another white lie. I not going off on you, but the whole fantasy land mentality. We do have more intelligence than a rock donít we. Or do we.????

watchZEITGEISTnow
25th November 2012, 07:16
We have to ask for assistance at 10% level for the positive ETs to come and, well, help. How they help must also be defined as they say they don't want to become our baby sitters, as this defeats the point of self evolution.

My contention with the A's is IF they have left Alex in the lurch, that is really terrible and well, cowardly. BUT if the A's have met some grief themselves (I mean how would we know?) then that could be a reason.

I believe many people have asked to also be ambassadors for the A's/ETs , but as written in Alex's notes, the ETs scan your past 9 lives to see if you are worthy...

I don't know, I feel flat, when Alex has stated TPTB(W?) have "won", and how he is a "broken man" - that really made me sad... so many false people in this field, deliberate or not, but to me he was very much the essence of what a true, inspirational human should be.

Is the gig up on Earth according to the A's? Can WE (just as few as we are) make that difference? Just don't know myself anymore...

Maunagarjana
25th November 2012, 07:47
IíM not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I donít understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVDís or recordings of his seminarís instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesnít say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless itís all false, and has no value. Ya Iíd say somethingís wrong, Big time. Either way it doesnít sound like a march of dimeís drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

It may be against their rules of engagement for them to do what you are suggesting. And they may take them very seriously, meaning absolutely no exceptions.

This isnít star trek , and the prime directive, ďPleaseĒ Why dose God always need more money? Ruleís are human control boxís for anything we donít understand. What I am suggesting is his stories are constructs that flopped. In a growing internet backed fairy tails that lead no where.

Against there rules of engagement, is giving away you power of higher intellect to there so called higher or super intellect.

Nothing this man has said is provable or knowable, nor is Harry Potter, but relies totally on the faith of the reader or listener of the story being told to believe or not believe. Galaxy quest a movie about this very script, a lie accepted as the real thing.

It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety.

I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it. No matter how ridiculous it may look at the moment. Love and light it enough, it just might come true crap. If I wasnít bald Iíd pull my hair out.

It looks to me everyone is loosing there minds, or critical thinking. Send me a Hall Mark Card, maybe Iíll believe another white lie. I not going off on you, but the whole fantasy land mentality. We do have more intelligence than a rock donít we. Or do we.????


It certainly feels like you're going off on me. Anyway, I was just proposing a possibility, so please, take a chill pill.

Before you are so quick to dismiss "prime directive star trek crap" in a kneejerk fashion, maybe you should do your research and you will find that Gene Roddenberry got a lot of his ideas for Star Trek from his communications with extraterrestrials. Don't take my word for it, do your research. This has been discussed on this forum in the past. Search through these forums for "Gene Roddenberry", and start reading.

Also, do a web search for his fairly well documented involvement with the ET channeler Phyllis Schlemmer who he believed to be channeling a group calling themselves the Galactic Federation, as well as other groups. I am not suggesting she was his only means of contact, so don't assume that, please. Anyway, I do know he was involved with her channeling group because I read a transcript where he took part in one of their channeling sessions and he was asking questions. I would track the transcript down and link to it but I'm not feeling very charitable towards you at the moment, so you can do your own homework.

I find it interesting you are lecturing me about using critical thinking, because I'm the one usually suggesting that to other people.

ljwheat
25th November 2012, 15:36
IíM not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I donít understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVDís or recordings of his seminarís instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesnít say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless itís all false, and has no value. Ya Iíd say somethingís wrong, Big time. Either way it doesnít sound like a march of dimeís drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

It may be against their rules of engagement for them to do what you are suggesting. And they may take them very seriously, meaning absolutely no exceptions.

This isnít star trek , and the prime directive, ďPleaseĒ Why dose God always need more money? Ruleís are human control boxís for anything we donít understand. What I am suggesting is his stories are constructs that flopped. In a growing internet backed fairy tails that lead no where.

Against there rules of engagement, is giving away you power of higher intellect to there so called higher or super intellect.

Nothing this man has said is provable or knowable, nor is Harry Potter, but relies totally on the faith of the reader or listener of the story being told to believe or not believe. Galaxy quest a movie about this very script, a lie accepted as the real thing.

It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety.

I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it. No matter how ridiculous it may look at the moment. Love and light it enough, it just might come true crap. If I wasnít bald Iíd pull my hair out.

It looks to me everyone is loosing there minds, or critical thinking. Send me a Hall Mark Card, maybe Iíll believe another white lie. I not going off on you, but the whole fantasy land mentality. We do have more intelligence than a rock donít we. Or do we.????


It certainly feels like you're going off on me. Anyway, I was just proposing a possibility, so please, take a chill pill.

Before you are so quick to dismiss "prime directive star trek crap" in a kneejerk fashion, maybe you should do your research and you will find that Gene Roddenberry got a lot of his ideas for Star Trek from his communications with extraterrestrials. Don't take my word for it, do your research. This has been discussed on this forum in the past. Search through these forums for "Gene Roddenberry", and start reading.

Also, do a web search for his fairly well documented involvement with the ET channeler Phyllis Schlemmer who he believed to be channeling a group calling themselves the Galactic Federation, as well as other groups. I am not suggesting she was his only means of contact, so don't assume that, please. Anyway, I do know he was involved with her channeling group because I read a transcript where he took part in one of their channeling sessions and he was asking questions. I would track the transcript down and link to it but I'm not feeling very charitable towards you at the moment, so you can do your own homework.

I find it interesting you are lecturing me about using critical thinking, because I'm the one usually suggesting that to other people.

I was not going off on you, I was just going off, and searching or goggling a fairy tail that supports a fairy tail, is senseless dribble. A manufactured box in side a box looking at a box thatís been handed to us so conveniently for what purpose are these boxís put together. And then have to pay for them.

I have hit bottom a couple times and had to start over, worked three jobs back to back to get back on my feet, the people I worked for and otherís knowing of my predicament could care less I was on my own.

Sure I could have went the hand out route, but this guy sounds lazy as a human, bet as a galactic word heís good real good at tactical jargon.

Just for once any of this stuff,,,, ANY Ö. Would actually happen, just one real thing,, No No its all words, playing with the mind of un critical thinking. Sorry that dose not work in fantasy land.

Trying to prove something that is not. Even a rock knows its not going any where. Whatís that saying you made your bedÖ. We chose to experience this or that. Its our destiny ? And non of this applies to Alex. If Hoagland was home less whoís fault would that be. And everyone wants to bail him out sure thatís the human thing to do.

I guess celebrityís build equity just like in a house after so many yearís you can back mortgage and live on that for a while, there a millions of businesses that flop, books and movieís that flop, if it didnít work why keep pumping money into it, giving it a slow death? Show one just one thing thatís real. Just one.

Iím not paying into it or this. If you cant stand in life then youíd better sit down. Iím just fed up with all these fairy tails, stories, movies, all made up by menís imaginings. I donít know you, but we do stand on the same ship that has to many leaks in its hull and more are showing up. Build an internet and they will come.

When the only thing that real is the next breath we take, and the work we put into it to make it happen again. Bailing out Alex is giving him a fish, when everyone else has had to learn how to fish. Has he become a charity? Or a progeny of his own handy work. I guess I should have kept my silence, my inner light to myself, and not dumped on any one all this is just my opinion and feelings after a life time of learning how to fish in a very small pond.

Maunagarjana
25th November 2012, 23:47
It certainly feels like you're going off on me. Anyway, I was just proposing a possibility, so please, take a chill pill.

Before you are so quick to dismiss "prime directive star trek crap" in a kneejerk fashion, maybe you should do your research and you will find that Gene Roddenberry got a lot of his ideas for Star Trek from his communications with extraterrestrials. Don't take my word for it, do your research. This has been discussed on this forum in the past. Search through these forums for "Gene Roddenberry", and start reading.

Also, do a web search for his fairly well documented involvement with the ET channeler Phyllis Schlemmer who he believed to be channeling a group calling themselves the Galactic Federation, as well as other groups. I am not suggesting she was his only means of contact, so don't assume that, please. Anyway, I do know he was involved with her channeling group because I read a transcript where he took part in one of their channeling sessions and he was asking questions. I would track the transcript down and link to it but I'm not feeling very charitable towards you at the moment, so you can do your own homework.

I find it interesting you are lecturing me about using critical thinking, because I'm the one usually suggesting that to other people.

I was not going off on you, I was just going off, and searching or goggling a fairy tail that supports a fairy tail, is senseless dribble. A manufactured box in side a box looking at a box thatís been handed to us so conveniently for what purpose are these boxís put together. And then have to pay for them.

I have hit bottom a couple times and had to start over, worked three jobs back to back to get back on my feet, the people I worked for and otherís knowing of my predicament could care less I was on my own.

Sure I could have went the hand out route, but this guy sounds lazy as a human, bet as a galactic word heís good real good at tactical jargon.

Just for once any of this stuff,,,, ANY Ö. Would actually happen, just one real thing,, No No its all words, playing with the mind of un critical thinking. Sorry that dose not work in fantasy land.

Trying to prove something that is not. Even a rock knows its not going any where. Whatís that saying you made your bedÖ. We chose to experience this or that. Its our destiny ? And non of this applies to Alex. If Hoagland was home less whoís fault would that be. And everyone wants to bail him out sure thatís the human thing to do.

I guess celebrityís build equity just like in a house after so many yearís you can back mortgage and live on that for a while, there a millions of businesses that flop, books and movieís that flop, if it didnít work why keep pumping money into it, giving it a slow death? Show one just one thing thatís real. Just one.

Iím not paying into it or this. If you cant stand in life then youíd better sit down. Iím just fed up with all these fairy tails, stories, movies, all made up by menís imaginings. I donít know you, but we do stand on the same ship that has to many leaks in its hull and more are showing up. Build an internet and they will come.

When the only thing that real is the next breath we take, and the work we put into it to make it happen again. Bailing out Alex is giving him a fish, when everyone else has had to learn how to fish. Has he become a charity? Or a progeny of his own handy work. I guess I should have kept my silence, my inner light to myself, and not dumped on any one all this is just my opinion and feelings after a life time of learning how to fish in a very small pond.

I do understand that the subject of contactees is frustratingly ambiguous. Because of its subjective nature, pretty much all of what they say is unprovable and indistinguishable from very imaginative storytelling. And even if they are not "making it all up", you can never tell if they are elaborating and mixing in their own suppositions and opinions and presenting them as coming from advanced ETs. And this is something Alex Collier has actually admitted to doing in the past, in some ways. Just look at all the hilariously wrong predictions at the end of his book. But does this mean he didn't have contact? I don't know. I do not treat his words as fact. But neither would I pronounce him to be a fraud.

I must say, when you spend a great deal of time examining contactee/abductee cases and look at what the more interesting ones have to say, there do emerge themes that are close to being universal to all them. One of them, which is what I was addressing in the comment you initially took issue with, is that it is not just a free-for-all out there. There do seem to be rules for engaging developing races, whether those are self-imposed or part of agreements made between groups, or whether this is considered adherence to Universal Law (respecting Free Will), I'm not sure. But from all I've read on the subject, I do not think it's a very controversial statement to say there are rules of engagement that would preclude certain actions, at least to the ETs who care about such things.

You strike me as someone who wants solid answers and is tired of all the ambiguity that leaves the door so wide open to confabulation and confusion. If that is the case, I would say walk away from this subject of contactees and never look back, because by its very nature it will drive someone like you up the walls. I have a higher tolerance for this stuff than most, and I don't have to "believe in" people's testimony necessarily in order to entertain these possibilities "as if" they were true. As the quote from Aristotle goes, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting or rejecting it."

Whippet
26th November 2012, 00:14
It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety. I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it.
Yes, but truth is often stranger than fiction. And what we accept as truth is often fiction. I think Maunagarjana hit this one squarely on the head when she quoted Aristotle. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting or rejecting it."

Sammy
26th November 2012, 00:28
co-responsibility IMO - which I am reading to be your point in this last post
100% is an absolute extreme. It would be a rare event if anything was 100% our responsibility. All the evidence I see is that it almost never happens. There are too many inputs from the outside environment that influence everything we do. The belief that we have 100% responsibility for our choices is just a cultural mindset, similar to the old belief that the gods were responsible for our actions. In this time of increasing individual helplessness, people want to feel empowered, so they grant themselves the belief that they are in control. Actual observation suggests otherwise.

I see I have 100% responsibility in regards to every single thing I experience. This is how I discovered the universe works for me. There are zero coincidences in my life. Every single experience I have I played a role in that experience arising within my field of awareness. I have attempted to prove to myself this is not true for me for at least every conscious moment of most of my 55 years and I finally cried uncle.

Once I allowed myself to actually consider this might be true for me, I applied that point of view and then observed what happened. I found that this was indeed 100% true for me.

I then accepted this fact (for me) and ever since, my life has begun to go amazing places.

Maybe this isn't true for you... I was truly only speaking for myself.

Sammy
26th November 2012, 00:38
The subconscious rules - I know this, my ego even lets me say this and is OK with that.

Back on topic - lets send just love to Alex at this time of need, and leave our own agendas off this thread - perhaps you can start another about what you "believe" in OK?

I have found one can make considerable progress in tipping the scales as to what actually rules one... the conscious mind alone or mind as a whole dominated by the subconscious only because the ratio appears to be 19/20ths for most human beings (according to psychologists and what do they actually know of this?).

What I found that changes this ratio is that by performing a rigorous exercise in self honesty, one can undo lies they told themselves and/or bought into. By decreasing the amount of lies in one's life where perhaps one reaches the state of total self honesty and acceptance of what one discovers, the mind becomes unified and regardless of whether you our focusing on your reflection of your reflection or just driven by your reflection, the same core, foundational "driver" of your car is in charge.

It is then one can kick the driver out altogether and rest in that state of non-dual awareness - a still place. Some suggest this is our natural state.

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IíM not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I donít understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

These contacts travel the universe and cant come across a few raw materials out there for the taking for Alex to pawn or sell? A bit of technology worth something to some body, that would turn a buck or two. Sell DVDís or recordings of his seminarís instead of posting them for free on You-Tube?

This doesnít say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless itís all false, and has no value. Ya Iíd say somethingís wrong, Big time. Either way it doesnít sound like a march of dimeís drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????

What if his contacts have been like so many humans - unreliable? What if his contacts are part of the archontic forces and took him for a ride?

I learned a lot from Alex Collier and I am grateful to him.

ljwheat
26th November 2012, 00:44
It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety. I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it.
Yes, but truth is often stranger than fiction. And what we accept as truth is often fiction. I think Maunagarjana hit this one squarely on the head when she quoted Aristotle. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting or rejecting it."

Ok ok please I am totally uneducated and out of my mind, the village idiot I get it. Youíll never here my opinion again. ------------ lol with your under handed kick to the balls. Thanks.

Maunagarjana
26th November 2012, 06:37
It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety. I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it.
Yes, but truth is often stranger than fiction. And what we accept as truth is often fiction. I think Maunagarjana hit this one squarely on the head when she quoted Aristotle. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting or rejecting it."

LOL, I'm not a she, but thanks. Now I'm wondering how many people on here have thought I was a female. :)

Whippet
27th November 2012, 00:57
I see I have 100% responsibility in regards to every single thing I experience.
I bet we are talking about different things. I was thinking of responsibility as in being accountable for something happening, as in being the prime mover or the cause of the effect. You seem to be describing the act of participating in the things you experience.

I think what we have here is a lack of communication. I am not 100% responsible for that, but I am certainly participating in it. ;)

Whippet
27th November 2012, 01:06
Ok ok please I am totally uneducated and out of my mind, the village idiot I get it. Youíll never here my opinion again. ------------ lol with your under handed kick to the balls. Thanks.
Whoops! Maybe I am 100% responsible for this poor communication! That is not at all the message I was trying to convey, ljwheat. My post was not meant as an insult to you personally or to be demeaning in any way, shape, or form. It was just a general comment about a common characteristic found in all humans, including me, that we often think we know the truth, only to discover later on that we didn't.

Whippet
27th November 2012, 01:09
LOL, I'm not a she, but thanks. Now I'm wondering how many people on here have thought I was a female. :)
Whoops again! Sorry about that. When I see pretty butterflies, I unconsciously think "female". And there you have it -- I thought I knew the truth, but then I found out later I didn't. :cool:

ljwheat
27th November 2012, 01:27
If everything is energy in physical form.

If spirit is the invisible indefinable - yet aware energy -- that is with or with out physical form -- an eternal energy that needs nothing, - - body or form.

If spirit comes and goís with out the need of a body or mind. Then why dose the body need to do anything, learn anything, know any thing?

If like a butter fly the cocoon is discarded, the body is discarded -- ď we call death.Ē

Is not the term ascension only what applies to the cocoon? Aware Spirit is already Ascended -- residing or possessing the human body.

If spirit is already ascended, a light body already in its indefinable whole, and complete in its own light body.
Why would you want the body to ascend and transform into a light body in the 5th dimension.

When You already have a spirit 5d light body or higher -- living in you?

Why would you need two light bodies when we already have one, that EGO isnít part of.

Ego is part of the body cocoon, shed and discarded when 3D is over.

So if our spirit is already ascended and only visiting 3D, and nothing is needed for spirit to simply move back into what it came from.

Wouldnít it make sense that the real deception and lies are all this crap of the body ascending and how we must go about it? Do this, do that, Meditate here, light this candle, or bond fire, sing or dance a ritual or hum something that make the body vibrate this way or that. Swear on another mans name, with your hand on a book or something meaningful?

Spirit didnít need to do anything raise its energy level, hum a song, ask Jesus into your unborn heart or prepare for occupying this cocoon.

Why dose it need to prepare, or do anything to move back home were it originally came from?

If my core essence of life is spirit, and spirit is already ascended awareness complete in every why possible.

And will pass over to a higher dimensions with out dragging the cocoon with it.

Then to me, Iím exactly were I should be, the lieís and deceptions are that I must wake up and do all these crazy physical 3d stuff. And the bottom line is there is no rapture or ascensions --- spirit is complete and our higher ascended self alreadyÖÖÖ :-))

So this whole movement, ET, Religion, spirit guides, ascended Masters, channelingís, and ascensions of any kind are all lieís.

The truth is Iím a spirit from on high, descended to play the human condition, enjoying the 3d road show now playing on this planet. And all is as it should be. Nothing is going to happen to spirit that we are.

Alex is a great story teller, true or not ego is a big player, and very reconizable, as a contactee ET ego strokes human ego, storys to keep us from looking at what we really are at our core. undestructable spirit. needing no contactee, or story to look outside of how we got here, or leaving the same why we came in.

IMHO its all distractions -- whats that saying "Made Ya Look" and there is alot of them Making us look in the wrong direction.

OnyxKnight
29th November 2012, 14:23
i wonder what happen to his project The Adventures of Captain Denar now?

went around search for Alex collier and i found this http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sci_fi&sort=moviemeter,desc&year=2014,2014 which doesn't anything but

from IMDB Least Popular Sci-Fi Titles Released In 2014 (http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sci_fi&sort=moviemeter,desc&year=2014,2014) it said
The Adventures of Captain Denar (2014)
Having discovered the knowledge of the Pataal, the founders of our universe, Captain Denar is being hunted by regressive races...

George Lucas should on board for this film but the title need to be change get rid of The Adventures...

He said its going to be a children's book. I believe that's why the title sounds like it does :).

Otherwise I think somehing like "In the shadow of the Paa Tal" would sound better (for me at least :D),


IíM not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I donít understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

This doesnít say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless itís all false, and has no value. Ya Iíd say somethingís wrong, Big time. Either way it doesnít sound like a march of dimeís drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????


This isnít star trek , and the prime directive, ďPleaseĒ Why dose God always need more money? Ruleís are human control boxís for anything we donít understand. What I am suggesting is his stories are constructs that flopped. In a growing internet backed fairy tails that lead no where.

Nothing this man has said is provable or knowable, nor is Harry Potter, but relies totally on the faith of the reader or listener of the story being told to believe or not believe. Galaxy quest a movie about this very script, a lie accepted as the real thing.

It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety.

I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it. No matter how ridiculous it may look at the moment. Love and light it enough, it just might come true crap. If I wasnít bald Iíd pull my hair out.

It looks to me everyone is loosing there minds, or critical thinking. Send me a Hall Mark Card, maybe Iíll believe another white lie. I not going off on you, but the whole fantasy land mentality. We do have more intelligence than a rock donít we. Or do we.????

Well, things are actually pretty "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" out there. And Mauna put it well - the majority have limitations to what they can do here.

If they help Alex, they would be obliged to help everybody else who is in some sort of trouble, because they have another rule - to value humans equally. If they help Alex, it would mean he is more valuable then the rest of the starving, no-job, no-home, no-money folks. And if they do come in and fix all of these problems, we get the "Savior" scenario, something they dread on.


I have hit bottom a couple times and had to start over, worked three jobs back to back to get back on my feet, the people I worked for and otherís knowing of my predicament could care less I was on my own.

Sure I could have went the hand out route, but this guy sounds lazy as a human, bet as a galactic word heís good real good at tactical jargon.

You can say the same thing for thousands of people who can't get a job for long long time now. Are they also lazy? It would be your opinion after all. It doesn't mean that if they can't get a job that they are lazy, incompetent or without motivation, skills, etc.

And I'm sorry for your situation, but that's not an excuse.


Just for once any of this stuff,,,, ANY Ö. Would actually happen, just one real thing,, No No its all words, playing with the mind of un critical thinking. Sorry that dose not work in fantasy land.

Trying to prove something that is not. Even a rock knows its not going any where. Whatís that saying you made your bedÖ. We chose to experience this or that. Its our destiny ? And non of this applies to Alex. If Hoagland was home less whoís fault would that be. And everyone wants to bail him out sure thatís the human thing to do.

I believe a lot of us would do the same for Hoagland. Those who think him as a good person, and believe what he says, and that he is contributing to the overall situation in his own way, would help a lot more. I don't see why you are using him as an example?


Iím not paying into it or this. If you cant stand in life then youíd better sit down.

You know how many people would fit in this statement? What you are suggesting is part of what is called Social Darwinism. You really need a reality check yourself, and reexamination of your values.


Iím just fed up with all these fairy tails, stories, movies, all made up by menís imaginings. I donít know you, but we do stand on the same ship that has to many leaks in its hull and more are showing up. Build an internet and they will come.

Critical mind is not the same as skeptical mind. You are talking about skepticism here. And you are welcome to endorse it, on everything you like in the alternative media. And it seems that anything in the alternative circles is getting you off, and you "don't buy it". Avalon pretty much is based on "out-there" concepts, far-fetched things and pretty controversial subjects, where things like conspiracies and ETs, are always present.

So, the next logical question would be - why are you here at all, on this forum? I believe there are many places out there that are less-"fairytale" for you to spend your time on. Take your pick.

ljwheat
29th November 2012, 16:13
i wonder what happen to his project The Adventures of Captain Denar now?

went around search for Alex collier and i found this http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sci_fi&sort=moviemeter,desc&year=2014,2014 which doesn't anything but

from IMDB Least Popular Sci-Fi Titles Released In 2014 (http://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sci_fi&sort=moviemeter,desc&year=2014,2014) it said
The Adventures of Captain Denar (2014)
Having discovered the knowledge of the Pataal, the founders of our universe, Captain Denar is being hunted by regressive races...

George Lucas should on board for this film but the title need to be change get rid of The Adventures...

He said its going to be a children's book. I believe that's why the title sounds like it does :).

Otherwise I think somehing like "In the shadow of the Paa Tal" would sound better (for me at least :D),


IíM not feeling it, looking back at what Alex has told us about his contact -- I donít understand why if true his contacts would abandon him if all this is really true. Or are his contacts broke too.?

This doesnít say much for his and his contacts super intellect, or technology. Unless itís all false, and has no value. Ya Iíd say somethingís wrong, Big time. Either way it doesnít sound like a march of dimeís drive.

There are just to many Fairy tails on the internet the last 20 years. And just like God why dose He always need more money???????


This isnít star trek , and the prime directive, ďPleaseĒ Why dose God always need more money? Ruleís are human control boxís for anything we donít understand. What I am suggesting is his stories are constructs that flopped. In a growing internet backed fairy tails that lead no where.

Nothing this man has said is provable or knowable, nor is Harry Potter, but relies totally on the faith of the reader or listener of the story being told to believe or not believe. Galaxy quest a movie about this very script, a lie accepted as the real thing.

It seems there is no longer any reality out here any more -- rather only beliefs, religion, and assumptions have taken over the human landscape in its entirety.

I am really sick or this non-reality what if, mentality if it sound good lets all go with it. No matter how ridiculous it may look at the moment. Love and light it enough, it just might come true crap. If I wasnít bald Iíd pull my hair out.

It looks to me everyone is loosing there minds, or critical thinking. Send me a Hall Mark Card, maybe Iíll believe another white lie. I not going off on you, but the whole fantasy land mentality. We do have more intelligence than a rock donít we. Or do we.????

Well, things are actually pretty "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" out there. And Mauna put it well - the majority have limitations to what they can do here.

If they help Alex, they would be obliged to help everybody else who is in some sort of trouble, because they have another rule - to value humans equally. If they help Alex, it would mean he is more valuable then the rest of the starving, no-job, no-home, no-money folks. And if they do come in and fix all of these problems, we get the "Savior" scenario, something they dread on.


I have hit bottom a couple times and had to start over, worked three jobs back to back to get back on my feet, the people I worked for and otherís knowing of my predicament could care less I was on my own.

Sure I could have went the hand out route, but this guy sounds lazy as a human, bet as a galactic word heís good real good at tactical jargon.

You can say the same thing for thousands of people who can't get a job for long long time now. Are they also lazy? It would be your opinion after all. It doesn't mean that if they can't get a job that they are lazy, incompetent or without motivation, skills, etc.

And I'm sorry for your situation, but that's not an excuse.


Just for once any of this stuff,,,, ANY Ö. Would actually happen, just one real thing,, No No its all words, playing with the mind of un critical thinking. Sorry that dose not work in fantasy land.

Trying to prove something that is not. Even a rock knows its not going any where. Whatís that saying you made your bedÖ. We chose to experience this or that. Its our destiny ? And non of this applies to Alex. If Hoagland was home less whoís fault would that be. And everyone wants to bail him out sure thatís the human thing to do.

I believe a lot of us would do the same for Hoagland. Those who think him as a good person, and believe what he says, and that he is contributing to the overall situation in his own way, would help a lot more. I don't see why you are using him as an example?


Iím not paying into it or this. If you cant stand in life then youíd better sit down.

You know how many people would fit in this statement? What you are suggesting is part of what is called Social Darwinism. You really need a reality check yourself, and reexamination of your values.


Iím just fed up with all these fairy tails, stories, movies, all made up by menís imaginings. I donít know you, but we do stand on the same ship that has to many leaks in its hull and more are showing up. Build an internet and they will come.

Critical mind is not the same as skeptical mind. You are talking about skepticism here. And you are welcome to endorse it, on everything you like in the alternative media. And it seems that anything in the alternative circles is getting you off, and you "don't buy it". Avalon pretty much is based on "out-there" concepts, far-fetched things and pretty controversial subjects, where things like conspiracies and ETs, are always present.

So, the next logical question would be - why are you here at all, on this forum? I believe there are many places out there that are less-"fairytale" for you to spend your time on. Take your pick.

After all that-- Its nothing, If your spirit possessing a body here and now that proves you ascended here from some where. Another prior life or planet? And if we have ascended life time after life time -- that makes us ascension Masters, so what in the hell do we need all the ET stuff anyway. And why turn this body into a light body when your spirit is already complete in its light body, what would you want with two light bodyís ?

The mind and body are stomping on the spirit light body keeping it from emerging into the human condition.

We already are eternal masters of ascending light as spirits occupying a human condition. Everything else is a scam to keep us in limbo, away from this inner light body and self empowerment. Alex Collier has been as all of us have a bill of goods that take us no where.

Maunagarjana
30th November 2012, 09:16
After all that-- Its nothing, If your spirit possessing a body here and now that proves you ascended here from some where. Another prior life or planet? And if we have ascended life time after life time -- that makes us ascension Masters, so what in the hell do we need all the ET stuff anyway. And why turn this body into a light body when your spirit is already complete in its light body, what would you want with two light bodyís ?

The mind and body are stomping on the spirit light body keeping it from emerging into the human condition.

We already are eternal masters of ascending light as spirits occupying a human condition. Everything else is a scam to keep us in limbo, away from this inner light body and self empowerment. Alex Collier has been as all of us have a bill of goods that take us no where.

I certainly agree with what you say about our need to have a focus on our own inner light and the fact that we are already (whether we realize it or not) magnificent beings who do not need some ETs to bestow anything on us (Which is precisely Alex Collier's message, by the way!), but I don't think that to do so one must have this giant blind spot in regards to the ET presence on this planet. A healthy skepticism in regards to the motivations and intentions of both ETs and those who claim to interact with them is sensible and most likely justified in a great number of cases, but to say you can only devote your attention to one or the other when it comes to these subjects, or otherwise you'll be "distracted" from what is essential? I can't speak for others, but I'm pretty sure I can do both.

Ron Mauer Sr
24th December 2012, 15:37
You can Paypal him directly, With any amount....send it here: ivanhoe1818@live.com

How is Alex doing? Anyone know?

naochan
18th January 2013, 05:35
You can Paypal him directly, With any amount....send it here: ivanhoe1818@live.com

How is Alex doing? Anyone know?

I got a brief note from Alex today. (What a delightful surprise!)

He seem to be living in a car, and "fuel is one of many challenges at the moment" according to his writing.

He was able to go through weeks of his e-mails today (Jan 17) because he went to the library.

So, as far as the situation goes with him, not much has changed.

He is still in dire situation.

naomi

beyondmyctrl
18th January 2013, 05:58
I guess being in direct contact with ALIENS doesn't have it's perks ahem..

Sirius White
19th January 2013, 11:54
Bless you Alex..........

Thank you for being you

apokalypse
19th January 2013, 12:19
You can Paypal him directly, With any amount....send it here: ivanhoe1818@live.com

How is Alex doing? Anyone know?

I got a brief note from Alex today. (What a delightful surprise!)

He seem to be living in a car, and "fuel is one of many challenges at the moment" according to his writing.

He was able to go through weeks of his e-mails today (Jan 17) because he went to the library.

So, as far as the situation goes with him, not much has changed.

He is still in dire situation.

naomi

someone must pick him up and offer him a place to live.

Alex Collier information especially underlying messages can't be measure by money or value...

Fred Steeves
19th January 2013, 12:30
someone must pick him up and offer him a place to live.

Alex Collier information especially underlying messages can't be measure by money or value...

That's a good idea, and come to think of it I'm surprised it hasn't already happened. If an Avalon member anywhere near my area were living in their car, I would for sure contact them and say hey, we've got a spare bedroom. Get your butt over here already would ya?