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RMorgan
11th November 2012, 16:53
Hey folks,

Not sure if this doc was posted here before.

Anyway, I highly recommend watching it:

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"THE MONEY MASTERS is a 3 1/2 hour non-fiction, historical documentary that traces the origins of the political power structure that rules our nation and the world today. The modern political power structure has its roots in the hidden manipulation and accumulation of gold and other forms of money. The development of fractional reserve banking practices in the 17th century brought to a cunning sophistication the secret techniques initially used by goldsmiths fraudulently to accumulate wealth. With the formation of the privately-owned Bank of England in 1694, the yoke of economic slavery to a privately-owned "central" bank was first forced upon the backs of an entire nation, not removed but only made heavier with the passing of the three centuries to our day. Nation after nation, including America, has fallen prey to this cabal of international central bankers."

Cheers,

Raf.

sdafnom
11th November 2012, 17:06
And a good one RMorgan.

Saw it a couple of years back...
Worth every second of its time

Stavros

spiritguide
11th November 2012, 17:58
Iceland did it the proper way when it comes down to dealing with them. What is wrong with the rest of us? Just don't feed the monsters any longer, in any way you can think of personally. IMHO

Paul
11th November 2012, 20:53
I just moved two posts that had been above on this thread, to a new and separate thread. These two posts seemed to me to be a rather separate view, of a separate aspect, within the general subject of economics in the US. See the new thread Why Taxes Have to Be Raised on the Rich (Robert Reich) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51923-Why-Taxes-Have-to-Be-Raised-on-the-Rich--Robert-Reich-).

panopticon
12th November 2012, 00:15
There is a sequel to this, from 2009, called 'The Secret of Oz'.


What's going on with the world's economy? Foreclosures are everywhere, unemployment is skyrocketing - and this may only be the beginning. Could it be that solutions to the world's economic problems could have been embedded in the most beloved children's story of all time, "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz"? The yellow brick road (the gold standard), the emerald city of Oz (greenback money), even Dorothy's silver slippers (changed to ruby slippers for the movie version) were powerful symbols of author L. Frank Baum's belief that the people - not the big banks -- should control the quantity of a nation's money. Written by Bill Still
Source (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1478462/plotsummary)
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Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Paul
12th November 2012, 00:32
Hey folks,

Not sure if this doc was posted here before.

Anyway, I highly recommend watching it:
Yes, "The Money Masters" is a classic. It is a 1996 American documentary film produced by attorney Patrick S. J. Carmack and directed and narrated by William T. "Bill" Still. It has been recommended and discussed on some earlier threads here, including:

Jim Corr: ''Wake Up, Withdraw from the System..'' (Post #8) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10095-Jim-Corr-Wake-Up-Withdraw-from-the-System..&p=86397&viewfull=1#post86397)
The Money Fix - a Documentary for Monetary Reform (Post #5) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33540-The-Money-Fix-a-Documentary-for-Monetary-Reform&p=343282&viewfull=1#post343282)
The Money Masters and The Secret of Oz - full videos (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32081-The-Money-Masters-and-The-Secret-of-Oz-full-videos&p=327265&viewfull=1#post327265)
Infamous finance conspiracy theories (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48435-Infamous-finance-conspiracy-theories&p=536359&viewfull=1#post536359)
Bill Still also narrated an update of this in 2010 called "The Secret of Oz", as noted in the third link above:


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Both documentaries get the history and mechanisms of the monetary control of Western civilization, especially of the United States, by a few secretive, powerful and wealthy.

Personally, I suspect that these monetary controllers are not the most powerful entities on earth ... but I do agree that money, as perhaps the most powerful generic manifestation of power, is a core mechanism for manipulating humanity.

Well worth another thread ... thanks!

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There is a sequel to this, from 2009, called 'The Secret of Oz'.
Aha - you beat me too it :).

gripreaper
12th November 2012, 01:03
In my mind, this is the single most important issue, the removal of the power to create money at interest by the few elite at the top, which solves a lot of problems and shifts the consciousness paradigm dramatically.

Several concepts, such as: interest, debt, jobs, scarcity, servitude, slavery, fiat, negotiable instruments, derivatives, securities, bonds, taxes, class warfare, hierarchical structures, corporatocracies, energy control, oil control, uniform commercial codes, admiralty codes, courtroom tribunals, debtor prisons...

The list goes on and on relative to the context and paradigm around the control of money. I've had enough, have you?

gooty64
12th November 2012, 01:15
Can I say something stupid?:o

If this video is so good and has been available since 1996 why have things just gotten tremendously worse since the video came out in 1996?

So we've had money/financial disclosure since 1996.....and did the world change for the better?

Makes me wonder about the other "disclosure" everybody is begging for, would "it" change anything much?

PS signed, Frustrated in Minneapolis

gripreaper
12th November 2012, 01:18
Can I say something stupid?:o

If this video is so good and has been available since 1996 why have things just gotten tremendously worse since the video came out in 1996?

So we've had money/financial disclosure since 1996.....and did the world change for the better?

Makes me wonder about the other "disclosure" everybody is begging for, would "it" change anything much?

PS signed, Frustrated in Minneapolis

Your assignment gooty, should you choose to accept it, is to go rewatch the movie "Avatar" and pay special attention to the ending.

write4change
12th November 2012, 01:22
I have watched several documentaries about the Fed and this is the very best, most thorough, most totally explained, and best of all--allowing solutions to be seen and explored and more important contemplated. I have also bought into the idea it is so entrenched nothing can be done. This shows that concept to be a myth. I would like everyone to see this film--talk about consciousness changing. There is nothing that is more important to how you are allowed to live your life than following the money. This film makes clear how everything is determined by money in this world now. It was interesting to me that one of the recent ET docs I read here is that the ETs are now focused on our economic systems.

realitycorrodes
12th November 2012, 04:23
The only problem with the documentary is the notion of returning to a gold standard is not the way to go. This idea was discussed in another thread on the forum which I can not remember where. But I feel is an important discussion on this. As it looks like the movie gives disinformation right at the end which is surprising (if correct) as the rest of the movie is a fantastic expose of our corrupt reality.

Paul
12th November 2012, 04:35
The only problem with the documentary is the notion of returning to a gold standard is not the way to go.
A gold standard would benefit whomever controls the gold.

There is a complete lack of accountability amongst the central banks and wealthiest families as to who has what gold ... which is part of the problem with a gold standard ... but I'm pretty sure that they control most of the gold, not the rest of humanity, nor even any genuinely representative government honestly accountable to its citizens.

T Smith
12th November 2012, 13:14
Can I say something stupid?:o

If this video is so good and has been available since 1996 why have things just gotten tremendously worse since the video came out in 1996?

So we've had money/financial disclosure since 1996.....and did the world change for the better?

Makes me wonder about the other "disclosure" everybody is begging for, would "it" change anything much?

PS signed, Frustrated in Minneapolis

In a few words, because we're not in control, they are. So what if some of us can now see the man behind the curtain? Whatya gonna do 'bout it?

T Smith
12th November 2012, 13:30
The only problem with the documentary is the notion of returning to a gold standard is not the way to go.
A gold standard would benefit whomever controls the gold.

There is a complete lack of accountability amongst the central banks and wealthiest families as to who has what gold ... which is part of the problem with a gold standard ... but I'm pretty sure that they control most of the gold, not the rest of humanity, nor even any genuinely representative government honestly accountable to its citizens.

This is truly an abstract consideration, and not necessarily an answer to your observation that supports a gold standard, but if the world was on a gold standard, wouldn't it be difficult for a banking cabal or the power elite to control the world's supply of gold if 6 billion people required it in their pockets (or close thereto) to transact an exchange? Wouldn't a gold standard necessarily diversify the control of gold?

This is a question I am still contemplating. But the following come to mind:

1. If the cabal corners the market, they would necessarily empower many, many competitors who also own gold. This consequence would threaten their stranglehold.
2. If the cabal weakens the market, to shake out their competitors, they would allow many, many new competitors to enter the market. This dilutes their stranglehold.

It would seem to me the only way possible, per the laws of economics, to control gold, is by devising some system of fiat linked to gold or some kind of fractional reserve system linked to gold where the controlling bankers could assume control of the supply without disrupting the underlying economy.

Paul
12th November 2012, 22:37
It would seem to me the only way possible, per the laws of economics, to control gold, is by devising some system of fiat linked to gold or some kind of fractional reserve system linked to gold where the controlling bankers could assume control of the supply without disrupting the underlying economy.
The banking cabal or their masters (it's difficult to know who's really in charge, behind the scenes) already control most of the world's gold. So long as those bastards remain in charge, no pretense of changing the world's monetary system to a gold standard will really change this. The bastards will still rule, and still hold most of the gold, or at least be able to manipulate the means of control as if they did.

Imagine Dick Cheney having seven young children, and putting them on a "used shotgun shell" allowance and "monetary standard." The children would receive a shell per day, and could trade shells for toys and favors, with each other and with their parents. Question: What are the chances that such a pronouncement by Mr. Cheney would really diversify his control of the supply of used shotgun shells within his family? Answer: zero.

Look at the monetary history of metal coinage in major civilizations. They always get corrupted and inflated and driven to holding at best souvenir value.

A healthy monetary system (in theory -- it is difficult to find historical examples in large civilizations that lasted) varies the amount of monetary units in circulation in such a way as to maintain roughly stable values for equivalent goods and services over long periods of time. It also provides a convenient means of exchange, meaning you can purchase a loaf of bread with something small enough to carry in your hand, but large enough to see without your bifocals. The amount of above ground gold supposedly in human hands grows very slowly over long periods of time, and is currently (by conventional reports) too small to provide a convenient means of exchange. The fair price of a loaf of bread would be a microscopic speck of gold dust. This amount of gold does not expand and shrink with the human population or the level of their economic activity.

So long as human civilization is run on a "scarcity model", where resources required for basic survival and general participation (such food, water, air, clothing, shelter, transportation, communication, healthcare and the means for sharing, storing and learning knowledge) are kept in short supply, controlled via some monetary system, that monetary system will be inadequate to its essentially impossible task and ultimately controlled by the most powerful. See further Wade Frazier's work on this forum.

This is the essential reason why I abandoned my studies in economics (where I was briefly enrolled in the Graduate School of Economics at the University of North Texas) and ended up helping to administer this forum. Studying monetary systems and economics makes about as much sense as a prisoner in a US Federal Prison studying locks and guns ... well actually less sense ... so far as I know, there's no earthly escape from this prison planet, and if there is, studying monetary systems seems most unlikely to be useful in planning the escape.

Rather, the failings in our monetary system, like the physical means of destroying the World Trade Center buildings on 9/11, have been mostly useful to me as insults to my intelligence that have helped energize my further studies.

Chris Gilbert
12th November 2012, 22:46
I'm not sure I'd say that monetary reform is the MOST important issue (energy and resources are ultimately higher), but any meaningful reform in other areas is going to be pointless until the financial mafia is dethroned. They're like a giant dam barring the rest of humanity from evolving.

Prodigal Son
1st October 2013, 12:33
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=115708

THE REAL MEANING OF THE WIZARD OF OZ - NOT WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK

Posted By: RayelansMailbag [Send E-Mail]
Date: Tuesday, 25-Dec-2007 00:25:18

From a reader:

This examination of the subtext of "The Wizard Of Oz" was recently sent to me. Because it's so damn interesting and because there is so much more, I have added to it (see bottom of email). For those of you who have never heard of this take on this classic story, do take the time to check it out. There is far too much for it all to be just a coincidence. That is, unless you're a "coincidence theorist." bwh

The Real Meaning Of "The Wizard of Oz"

"The Wizard of Oz," written by L. Frank Baum, is not a mere child's story.

What is "Oz" a symbol for? Ounces. What is measured in ounces? Gold. What is
the yellow brick road? Bricks or ingot bars of gold.
The character known as the Straw Man represents that fictitious, ALL CAPS, legal
fiction - a PERSON, the Federal U.S. Government created
with the same spelling as your birth name. Remember what the Straw Man wanted
from the Wizard of Oz? A Brain! No juristic person - legal
fiction - paper corporation has a brain because he/she has no breath of life.
What did he get in place of a brain? A certificate: a Birth Certificate for a
new legal creation. He was proud of his new legal status, plus all the other
legalisms he was granted. Now he becomes the epitome of the brainless sack of
straw who was given a certificate in place of a grain of common sense.

Now, what about the Tin Man? Does Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) recall
anything to mind? The poor TIN Man just stood there mindlessly doing his work
until his body literally froze up and stopped functioning. He worked himself to
death because he had neither heart nor soul. He's the heartless and emotionless
creature robotically carrying out his daily task as though he were already dead.
He's the ox pulling the plow and the mule toiling under the yoke. These days,
his task masters just oil him nightly with beer and place him in front of a
hypnotic television until his very existence no longer has any meaning or value.
His masters keep him cold on the outside and heartless on the inside in order to
control any emotion or feeling that might arise.

The Cowardly Lion was always too frightened to stand up for himself. Of
course, he was a bully and a big mouth when it came to picking on those smaller
than he. (Have you ever noticed how bullies are really the biggest cowards?
They act as though they have great courage, but, in reality, have none at all.
They roar, but with no teeth of authority to back them up.) When push came to
shove, the Cowardly Lion always buckled under and whimpered when anyone of any
size or stature challenged him. He wanted courage from the Grand Wizard, so he
was awarded a medal of "official" recognition. Now, although remaining a coward,
his official status allowed him to be a bully, but with officially recognized
authority. (He's not unlike the Attorneys who hide behind the Middle Courts of
the Temple Bar.) et al ad infinitum.

What about the trip through the field of poppies? Did you notice how this had
no narcotic effect on the Straw Man (no brain) or the Tin Man (no heart or
soul)? They weren't real people, so drugs could not influence them. The Wizard
of Oz was written at the turn of the century, so how could the author have known
America was going to be drugged? The Crown has been playing the drug cartel game
for centuries. Just look up the history of Hong Kong and the Opium Wars. The
Crown already had valuable experience conquering all of China with drugs, so why
not the rest of the world? What was the Emerald City? The Federal Reserve
System.

Who finally exposed the Wizard for what he really was? Toto, the ugly (or
cute, depending on your perspective) and somewhat annoying little dog. Toto
means "in total, all together; Latin in toto." What was it that the witch wanted
after she alleged that the little dog had bitten her? TOTO. ... everything.
Notice how Toto was not scared of the Great Wizard's theatrics, yet he was so
small in size, compared to the Wizard, that no one seemed to notice him? The
smoke, flames and holographic images of Oz were designed to frighten people into
doing as the Great Wizard commanded. Toto simply padded over, looked behind the
curtain (the COURT, etc.), saw it was a scam, started barking until others paid
attention to him and came to see what all the barking was about. Who was behind
the curtain? Just an ORDINARY PERSON controlling the levers that created the
illusion of the Great Wizard's power and authority. When Toto pulled back the
curtain and completely exposed him, the charade
was at an end. (The veil hiding the corporate legal fiction and its false
courts was removed.) The Wizard's game was UP. What was he after all? .... a
con-man. A FRAUD.

We can see, in this tale, just how loud the bark from a little dog can be. How
bout YOUR bark? How big is it? Most of us remain silent and wait to be given
whatever food and recognition, if any, by our legal master. Let us not forget
those pesky flying monkeys. What perfect mythical creatures to represent the Bar
Association Attorneys who attack and control the little people for the Great
Crown Wizard, the powerful and grand Bankers of Oz: GOLD! How, finally, was the
evil witch destroyed? .... pure, clean water LIQUIDATION! How, at last, did
Dorothy get home? She simply clicked her heels. She always had the power, and SO
DO WE! What would it take to expose the Wizard for what he is, tearing away his
veils? We each need only a brain, a heart and soul --- and COURAGE. Then, and
perhaps of the greatest
importance, we need to learn HOW to WORK TOGETHER. Only "in TOTO," WORKING
TOGETHER as ONE Body of the King of Kings, (whatever name or form that may take
for each of us), can we have the freedom given to us.
Thought this would be refreshing in light of this continual topic and need for
resolution.

ADDITION (bwh)

Also, note that Dorothy did not have a mother or father reference... i.e. no sense of who she was or from where her direct heritage came. In this case, Dorothy's legal guardian was obscurely named Aunt "Em" or "M" for money. That means that money was her "legal tender." Get the double meaning? Even James Bond has to answer to "M." And, who is "M's" secret-ary? Miss Moneypenny. And speaking of money, "tin" was a term for valueless coins back in the day. So, "Tinman" had more than one meaning as the value of our money was degenerating once the Fed came along and produced coins with little or no gold or silver in them and nothing with "witch" to back them.

Let's also not forget that the Wicked Witch of the "West" represented the bankers of the New World (America) who would control its resources and people legally (flying monkeys) and psychotropically (poppies). Dorothy's house (equity) landed upon and killed the Witch of the "East," representing a false sense of security that people from Europe felt when they trekked to the New World. Note how the "little people" began singing Dorothy's praises when she accidentally killed one of the "banking" witches. But, wait. This Witch was from the East, the Old World. So, again a reminder of their false sense of security through song.

Though, to her benefit, what often protected Dorothy throughout her journey was the ruby slippers, which were previously in the possession of the late Witch of the East. In Baum's original story written at the turn of the century, Dorothy's shoes were silver. In other words, she was backed by silver and, therefore, protected against anything that might come her way. The shoes always kept their value and strength even against a scary new banker (or witch in this case). Interestingly, the movie was made just shortly after the Great Depression, which included the government's vicious "gold grab" on behalf of the bankers and wall street.

Further, what was it that awakened the "organics" (Dorothy, the Lion and Toto) in the poppy field? Glenda, the (supposed) good witch covered them in snow. Snow? Nah! It was cocaine (actually a legal stimulant at the time and in Coke, of course), which worked against the effects of the poppy-based opium. Therefore, Glenda is also a ruse of so-called benevolence regardless of the legality of cocaine at the time (we've seen its effects today).

And, notice at the end of the film, this "good" witch knew the secret that would get Dorothy home all along, but didn't tell her right away. What a bitch! Perhaps, this was Glenda's way of having Dorothy learn her own lesson. But, as stated previously, the prizes given by the newly humbled wizard were themselves ruses... ersatz representations of cures and freedoms. So, this journey, or lesson, was ultimately futile.

At the end, the wizard, once he is forced to admit his trickery and subsequently provides his empty gifts, he is not even "charged" by "the people" of the land. He is forgiven and let go to fly away (escape) in a balloon of all things. My guess is that, no matter how often "we the people" maintain vigilance to uproot these banking night crawlers, the message here is that, because of our naiveté, one of them always gets away to start the vicious financial cycle all over again in some New World.

At the end, Dorothy discovers that it was all a dream, "witch" means that whatever lesson she learned she did so while asleep.

And now, here's the really, really big one that might be difficult even for those who already acknowledge the financial subtext of the story to digest. "Hollywood" was created and commissioned by the Illuminati for the purposes of social engineering and mass thought control. Knowing this, note that the desired look and effect that the filmmakers chose for the wizard to use in order to intimidate and scare "the people" into submission was, in fact, quite...

REPTILIAN.