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Paul
14th November 2012, 03:43
Here is a well done paper by Don M. Huber, Emeritus Professor, Purdue University explaining how glyphosate (Monsanto's Roundup®) is affecting our crops and the soil and plants on this planet.

From the paper's summary:



The extensive use of glyphosate, and the rapid adoption of genetically modified glyphosate-tolerant crops such as soybean, corn, cotton, canola, sugar beets, and alfalfa; with their greatly increased application of glyphosate for simplified weed control, have intensified deficiencies of numerous essential micronutrients and some macronutrients. Additive nutrient inefficiency of the Roundup Ready® (RR) gene and glyphosate herbicide increase the need for micronutrient remediation, and established soil and tissue levels for nutrients considered sufficient for specific crop production may be inadequate indicators in a less nutrient efficient glyphosate weed management program.
From the paper's conclusions:



Glyphosate is a strong, broad-spectrum nutrient chelator that inhibits plant enzymes responsible for disease resistance so that plants succumb from pathogenic attack. This also predisposes RR and non-RR plants to other pathogens. The introduction of such an intense mineral chelator as glyphosate into the food chain through accumulation in feed, forage, and food, and root exudation into ground water, could pose significant health concerns for animals and humans and needs further evaluation. Chelation immobilization of such essential elements as Ca (bone), Fe (blood), Mn, Zn (liver, kidney), Cu, Mg (brain) could directly inhibit vital functions and predispose to disease. The lower mineral nutrient content of feeds and forage from a glyphosate-intense weed management program can generally be compensated for through mineral supplementation. The various interactions of glyphosate with nutrition are represented in the following schematic:
http://thepythoniccow.us/glycophosate_interactions_in_soil.png
The entire paper is available at Important Paper on Glyphosate - and discussion on the NEW pathogen effecting plant, animal and human fertility (pdf) (http://www.greenpasture.org/documentFiles/3.pdf)

To summarize in my own words, glyphosate both weakens all plants in the area, as well as those animals and humans who consume those plants. Glyphosate binds to various minerals essential to plant and animal health. Our main food crops are becoming increasingly susceptible to major failures from pathogens. There could be many hungry people in coming years, though their numbers may decrease soon enough, due to death by starvation.

Thanks to greenpasture.org (where I purchase a fermented cod liver oil and butter mix) for hosting this paper and bringing it to my attention.

Flash
14th November 2012, 06:28
thanks Paul,

and I think that this situation is worst in America, including Canada, than in Europe.

I have noticed, almost without fail, that when European woman were coming to live in America and Canada, they arrived slim and remain slim for a while. About 10 years later, they would have gained tremendous weight without changing their basic food habits. THeir European counterpart who remained in Europe remained slim.

I concluded that there was something in the environment which was making people in America fat. My guess: food and water nutrients/chemical content of course, not only food habits. People in America are big yet undernourished. They lack the basic nutrients to live well.

Anchor
14th November 2012, 08:59
I read the bit about being toxic to Earthworms and it reminded me of this:


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In the beginning was a world
Man said: Let there be more light
Electric scenes and laser beams
Neon brights to light our boring nights

On the second day he said: Let's have a gas
Hydrogen and CO are of the past
Let's make some germs, we'll poison the worms
Man will never be surpassed

And he said: Behold what I have done
I've made a better world for everyone
Nobody laughs, nobody cries
World without end, forever and ever
Amen, amen, amen

On the third we get green and blue pill pie
On the fourth we send rockets to the sky
On the fifth metal beasts and submarines
On the sixth man prepares his final dream:

In our image, let's make robots for our slaves
Imagine all the time that we can save
Computers, machines, the silicon dream
Seventh he retired from the scene

And he said: Behold what I have done
I've made a better world for everyone
Nobody laughs, nobody cries
World without end, forever and ever
Amen (amen), amen (amen), amen (amen)

On the eighth day machine just got upset
A problem man had not foreseen as yet
No time for flight, a blinding light
Then nothing but a void, forever night

He said: Behold what man has done
There's not a world for anyone
Nobody laughs, nobody cries
World's at an end, everyone has died
Forever amen (amen), amen (amen), amen (amen)

He said: Behold what man has done
There's not a world for anyone
Nobody laughes, nobody cries
World's at an end, everyone has died
Forever amen (amen), amen (amen), amen (amen)

Robert J. Niewiadomski
14th November 2012, 12:00
Hi


thanks Paul,

and I think that this situation is worst in America, including Canada, than in Europe.

I have noticed, almost without fail, that when European woman were coming to live in America and Canada, they arrived slim and remain slim for a while. About 10 years later, they would have gained tremendous weight without changing their basic food habits. THeir European counterpart who remained in Europe remained slim.

I concluded that there was something in the environment which was making people in America fat. My guess: food and water nutrients/chemical content of course, not only food habits. People in America are big yet undernourished. They lack the basic nutrients to live well.

For this abnormal weight gain upon arrival to the USA there may be link with antibiotics/herbicides/other-cides overuse and bacterial flora in the gut. There is some research into link between gut flora and obesity:
Source: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21428625.100-gutmicrobe-swap-changes-eating-habits.html?full=true&print=true

Gut-microbe swap changes eating habits
28 April 2012
Magazine issue 2862.

EATEN too many pies? Blame the microbes in your gut - they may be influencing how much you eat.

In 2006, biologists found that the types of bacteria in the guts of obese rats differed from those in non-obese rats. To find out more, Mihai Covasa and his colleagues at the French National Institute for Agricultural Research (INRA) in Paris swapped gut bacteria between obesity-prone and obesity-resistant rats.

The obesity-resistant rodents proceeded to eat more and pile on the pounds. They also developed gut hormone levels typical of obesity-prone rodents.

These rats are a good model for human obesity - people, too, are either resistant or vulnerable to the condition. Understanding the gut flora associated with it may offer ways to help control food intake, Covasa said this week at the Experimental Biology 2012 meeting in San Diego, California

Here is Mihai Covasa's paper describing the experiment:
http://experimentalbiology.org/EB/pages/upload/file/ASN%20Gut%20Duca.pdf

What we put (poisoned or not) into our mouths falls down on little helpers to chew it for us. If we poison
them with our food we affect the chew by-product and our own health...

And good news for R-Up poison are that Nature already has prepared a defense against it and glyphosate use is backfiring. You have probably heard of "superweeds"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate#Resistance_in_weeds_and_microorganisms

New GM Crops Could Make Superweeds Even Stronger (May 1st, 2012)
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/new-superweed-evolution/
(with resistance growth graph)

Genetically Modified Grass Could Make Superweed Problem Worse (April 11th, 2011)
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/engineered-bluegrass/

Long-predicted GM crop' superweeds' have arrived (May 24, 2012)
http://www.naturalnews.com/035964_superweeds_GMO_herbicides.html

Monsanto-spawned superweeds growing three inches daily, destroying farm equipment (August 01, 2011)
http://naturalnews.com/033195_superweeds_farm_equipment.html

Biotech quick fix for superweeds could lead to 'super superweeds' (June 22, 2011)
http://www.naturalnews.com/032777_superweeds_biotech.html

The funny(sad) thing is that one of the superweeds is a variety of an ancient crop plant called Amaranth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaranth) presently considered as a "weed" :faint:

Although several species are often considered weeds, people around the world value amaranths as leaf vegetables, cereals, and ornamentals.

The grain of an amaranth plant can be ground for flour to make pastry.

I don't know if glyphosate is metabolized by amaranth. If not it might be as much laced with deadly poison as primary GM crop it suppresses...

[update]
Have found something (via google) on glyphosate matabolism in pigweed here:
http://www.spcru.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?seq_no_115=273371


(...)
Technical Abstract: Greenhouse and laboratory studies were conducted to confirm and quantify glyphosate resistance, to investigate interactions between flumiclorac and glyphosate mixtures on weed control, to determine patterns of absorption and translocation of glyphosate applied alone and in combination with flumiclorac, and to determine physiological mechanism of resistance to glyphosate in Palmer amaranth from Mississippi.
(...)
Metabolism of glyphosate to AMPA was not detected in either of the resistant biotypes or the susceptible GS biotype. These results indicate that glyphosate resistance in the C1B1 and T4B1 population is partly due to reduced absorption and differential distribution of glyphosate and these biotypes are also resistant to an ALS-inhibiting herbicide.

It seems that glyphosate is not metabolised and is absorbed in much lower quantities than primary GM crop. So pigweed should be less laced with the poison :)

sygh
17th November 2012, 07:15
I was watching the video listed below today. I'm roughly half way through, and if I wasn't already totally discusted and outraged, I wouldn't have ta do it all over again. How sickeningly devious the freaking Bushes were. Bush Senior's all about deregulation and has the audacity to put Clarence Thomas, once a lawyer for Monsanto in the Supreme Court. And we wonder why, OH, why "Citizen's United" v FEC passes? Drop the v FEC and what's left? Sort of like the "Federal" Reserve, only spell't different, ma'am. And it's not like Clarence hasn't been there for-ev-er, well, since 1990. And just because he was the Lawyer for Monsanto before he was placed in his postion as a Supreme Court Justice, as if the revolving door between Monsanto and the FDA wasn't enough, certainly his motiffs on his Monsanto rulings were, and still are, "pure", and "natural" as a summer's Fabreeze?

Well, I checked to see if this video had been posted before and I didn't see it. Thought it would make for good viewing prior to the Thanksgiving feast. I, for one, had a horrible time trying to shop for regular, non-holiday food today. Stood there dead in my tracks and thought, now where is that rascally non-hormonal, non-genetically modified food hiding? I actually sort of paniced right there in the store, until I spoke with a woman who told me to juice. Then I thought, why not? So I headed for the wine, or was that whine? Misery, I gist, or I cry, is best served with cheese.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvGddgHRQyg

sygh
17th November 2012, 07:37
Thank you, Robert for all of these links, and the information about Amoranth. I believe I actually saw some growing today when I was out. Was wondering what sort of plant it was. After looking it up on one of your links, now I know.

THe problem we have is no longer one of knowing these guys are as crooked as the crooked man who walked the crooked mile. Nor is the problem as simple as calling them out to answer before Congress or, the Supreme Court. Neither will contest Monsanto's action, nor will they touch the FDA.

We must now focus on the solution to the problem... What are "we", shall I say (tongue-in-cheek)... "Citizens United" going to do about it? If ever a name needed to backfire in the faces of the proud parents, parents, parents, this is one of them.

Nat_Lee
31st December 2012, 04:45
I found something about Amaranth......
Here's a link to my group to read about it in french:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/group.php?discussionid=482&do=discuss

Hervé
3rd June 2014, 16:51
New Study Shows Why Roundup Herbicide (Glyphosate) Should Be Banned
(http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned)
Posted on: Monday, June 2nd 2014 at 4:30 am
Written By: Sayer Ji, Founder (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/gmi-blogs/sayer%20ji)



http://cdn.greenmedinfo.com/sites/default/files/ckeditor/Sayer%20Ji/images/ban.jpeg


A growing body of research indicates that Roundup herbicide and its metabolite, AMPA, are vastly more toxic than the public is being told. Activist sentiment aside, the scientific research itself increasingly points to banning this herbicide as the only logical solution.


A concerning new study published in Chemosphere shows that the classical toxicology model, based on the testing of individual molecules, is incapable of accurately estimating the global environmental and health risks of mixtures of agrochemicals like glyphosate (aka Roundup) and its degradation byproduct AMPA, which are now ubiquitous environmental and food contaminants and much more harmful than previously believed.

Following closely on the heels of a study showing that Roundup herbicide is 125 times more toxic than its active ingredient glyphosate (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/roundup-herbicide-125-times-more-toxic-regulators-say) studied in isolation, the new study adds to an increasingly damning body of evidence that reveals agrochemicals used in GMO food production are vastly more harmful than their manufacturers, regulators and proponents will admit.

The study, titled, "Genotoxicity (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24875917) of mixtures of glyphosate and atrazine and their environmental transformation products before and after photoactivation (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24875917),"evaluated the light-induced cell-damaging toxicity (i.e. photo-inducible cytogenetic toxicity) of glyphosate, atrazine, aminomethyl phosphoric acid (AMPA), desethyl-atrazine (DEA), and their various mixtures.

Glyphosate (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/toxic-ingredient/glyphosate) (aka Roundup (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/toxic-ingredient/roundup-herbicide)) is the world's most popular pesticide, used primarily in GMO farming as a systemic herbicide. When glyphosate is metabolized within plants or within the liver of animals, it produces AMPA (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/toxic-ingredient/aminomethylphosphonic-acid-ampa), a substance that while classified as inert and/or harmless by regulators, has been known for some time to be at least as toxic as glyphosate, the latter of which has been linked to over 30 adverse health effects.[1] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=2#_ftn1) Atrazine is used to control weeds in crops such as corn and surgarcane, and is used widely in residential lawns and golf courses. It was identified as the most commonly detected pesticide contaminating drinking water in the United States,[2] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=2#_ftn2) and is believed to a potent endocrine disrupter affecting animal hormonal systems.[3] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=2#_ftn3)-[4] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=2#_ftn4)

Herbicide Mixtures And/Or Metabolites 20-1,000 Times More Toxic Than Regulators Believe
The new study demonstrated that the cell-damaging (cytogenetic) potentials of pesticides greatly depended on their physicochemical environment. Also, it was found that the mixture made with the four pesticides was not only 20-fold more toxic to tested cells than those of the most active compound AMPA, but that the toxicity increased 100-fold after light-irradiation, which would be a common reaction given that these chemicals persist and accumulate in the environment.

Additionally, researchers discovered that, "AMPA displayed a direct cytogenetic toxicity which was 1000 fold higher than that of its parent compound [glyphosate]." Since AMPA – the breakdown product of glyphosate -- is a ubiquitous toxicant, found in all glyphosate exposed plant food, and is known to persist for prolonged durations in the environment (76–240 days in soil), and is even produced in the mammalian liver following consumption of glyphosate contaminated food, the significance of this finding can not be underestimated.

When you consider that glyphosate is presently allowed in human food at levels up to six orders of magnitude higher (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/epa-american-people-let-them-eat-monsantos-roundup-ready-cake) than research has revealed may be harmful to the human body,[5] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=1#_ftn5) AMPA's potential for being 1,000 times more toxic than glyphosate implies that present day 'acceptable levels' may be up to 9 orders of magnitude -- 1,000,000,000 times -- too lax than required to protect exposed populations from significant bodily harm.

Given the growing body of evidence suggesting that glyphosate and its metabolite, AMPA, are extremely toxic, the precautionary principle should be implemented and unnecessary exposure should be avoided. If Roundup herbicide use is not restricted or banned until undergoing review, at the very least, consumers deserve the right of informed consent. The choice to avoid non-GMO and non-Roundup laden foods must be made available through truthful labeling of food products. Failing to make this choice possible, or worse, levying massive financial and political resources against such a right through industry front groups like the Grocery Manufacturers Association, amounts to forced chemical poisoning, an egregious crime against humanity.


[1] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=1#_ftnref1) GreenMedInfo.com, Glyphosate Adverse Health Effects (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/toxic-ingredient/glyphosate)

[2] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=1#_ftnref2) A Valuable Reputation: Tyrone Hayes said that a chemical was harmful, its maker pursued him" (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/02/10/140210fa_fact_aviv?currentPage=all) by Rachel Aviv, The New Yorker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Yorker), 10 February 2014

[3] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=1#_ftnref3) Atrazine: Chemical Summary. Toxicity and Exposure Assessment for Children's Health (http://www.epa.gov/teach/chem_summ/Atrazine_summary.pdf) (Report). U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. 4/24/2007.

[4] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=1#_ftnref4) Hayes, Tyrone B.; Anderson, Lloyd L.; Beasley, Val R.; de Solla, Shane R.; Iguchi, Taisen; et al. (2011). "Demasculinization and feminization of male gonads by atrazine: Consistent effects across vertebrate classes". The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology 127 (1–2): 64–73. doi:10.1016/j.jsbmb.2011.03.015. PMID 21419222.

[5] (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-shows-why-roundup-herbicide-glyphosate-should-be-banned?page=1#_ftnref5) Greenmedinfo.com, Roundup May Be Carcinogenic in the Parts-Per-Trillion Range (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-glyphosate-roundup-carcinogenic-parts-trillion-range), 2013

avid
5th June 2014, 20:40
I went into our local DIY/garden centre, which was shoving Roundup at 7% glyphosate like there's no tomorrow- so I picked up other brands....
Weedol - 8% glyphosate etc etc other brands, just the same. So although Roundup is vile, truly poisonous, the alternatives need to be checked also, as they could be a damn site worse. I had to buy the least noxious product as my olde folks house has a big garden which I don't want to be left to neglect. The tortoise and dog have long gone, so weedkiller can be used, as noone is really there any more. When I arrived home, the plastic bag containing the squirty plastic bottle was soaked with glyphosate weed killer. Hands scrubbed. Bag thrown out. We are really being duped - all unnatural weedkillers should be scrutinised. I've squirted the nasty heavy duty weeds with a mask on, and ensuring the breeze was blowing away from me. Scrubbed myself and washed all clothes afterwards. Really, should have poured boiling heavily salted water on them. Will we (and me) ever learn? :embarassed:

hardrock
5th June 2014, 21:29
I've always been interested in this. Monsanto makes a lot of money from seeds to fertilizers to weed killers. It's an entire program that farmers must abide by. All farmers that try to do something different are completely obliterated by the assault Monsanto's legal team puts in action. This is all about money. Your nutritional health is an afterthought. If they can produce an ear of corn that "looks" the same, and the public buys it, they will sell the Monsanto machine to the farmers to produce it. Once you start production of the Monsanto assembly line, you are stuck and can't stop.