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Twinsel
24th November 2012, 19:36
Original source:http://wakeup-world.com/2012/11/12/time-for-a-wake-up-call-the-vaccination-hoax-debunked/

Time for a Wake Up Call – The Vaccination Hoax Debunked!

12th November 2012
By Raluca Schachter (http://wakeup-world.com/category/contributing-writers/guest-writers/raluca-schachter/)
Contributing Writer for Wake Up World

The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used. – Dr. James A. Shannon (http://history.nih.gov/exhibits/bowman/BioShannon.htm). National Institutes of Health


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Are you scared when you’re told you have to vaccinate your child with 49 doses in 14 vaccines before age 6? Or are you scared at the idea of not vaccinating and so “exposing” your child to serious illnesses? Are you scared about the school threatening you that if you don’t vaccinate you can’t enroll your child?

FEAR. That’s what all these pro-vaccine campaigns are based on. As a parent, what’s the biggest scare of all? When your child gets sick with a serious disease and you feel responsible for that. As you see, vaccine supporters couldn’t go wrong with this and developed a dogma that’s been bought over and over again over the years by people. The magic insurance policy to solve it all.

So, even if your child gets sick, at least you know you did everything you could for his/her health and vaccinated, right? But what if the very vaccination is able to cause the illness in the first place??

Could The Vaccine Hoax Be Over?
An extraordinary paper published by a courageous doctor and investigative medical researcher has dug the dirt on 30 years of secret official transcripts of meetings of UK government vaccine committees and the supposedly independent medical “experts” sitting on them with their drug industry connections.

The 45 page paper with detailed evidence can be downloaded here: The vaccination policy and the Code of Practice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI): are they at odds?
(http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf) (pdf file)

The author, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic writes:

Here I present the documentation which appears to show that the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) made continuous efforts to withhold critical data on severe adverse reactions and contraindications to vaccinations to both parents and health practitioners in order to reach overall vaccination rates which they deemed were necessary for “herd immunity”, a concept which with regards to vaccination, and contrary to prevalent beliefs, does not rest on solid scientific evidence as will be explained. As a result of such vaccination policy promoted by the JCVI and the UK Department of Health (DH),many children have been vaccinated without their parents being disclosed the critical information about demonstrated risks of serious adverse reactions, one that the JCVI appeared to have been fully aware of. It would also appear that, by withholding this information, the JCVI/DH neglected the right of individuals to make an informed consent concerning vaccination. By doing so, the JCVI/DH may have violated not only International Guidelines for Medical Ethics (i.e., Helsinki Declaration (http://www.wma.net/en/30publications/10policies/b3/) and the International Code of Medical Ethics) [2] but also, their own Code of Practice (http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/groups/dh_digitalassets/@dh/@ab/documents/digitalasset/dh_115363.pdf).

The transcripts of the JCVI meetings also show that some of the Committee members had extensive ties to pharmaceutical companies and that the JCVI frequently co-operated with vaccine manufacturers on strategies aimed at boosting vaccine uptake. Some of the meetings at which such controversial items were discussed were not intended to be publicly available, as the transcripts were only released later, through the Freedom of Information Act (FOI). These particular meetings are denoted in the transcripts as “commercial in confidence”, and reveal a clear and disturbing lack of transparency, as some of the information was removed from the text (i.e., the names of the participants) prior to transcript release under the FOI section at the JCVI website (for example, JCVI CSM/DH (Committee on the Safety of Medicines/Department of Health) Joint Committee on Adverse Reactions Minutes 1986-1992 (http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/FreedomOfInformation/Freedomofinformationpublicationschemefeedback/FOIreleases/DH_4135306)).

Information AGAINST vaccination is incredibly vast, believe it or not. Updated, most reliable sources and scientific data, as well as more and more medical doctors bring strong evidence about how harmful and unnecessary vaccination is.

A short summary of the most important arguments that support NON-VACCINATION:
•Vaccines contain a combination of at least 39 different highly toxic metals, cancer causing substances, toxic chemicals, live and genetically modified viruses, bacteria, contaminated serum containing animal viruses and foreign genetic material, extremely toxic de-contaminants and adjuvants, untested antibiotics, none of which can be injected without causing any harm. Vaccine contaminants have included bovine (cow), avian (chicken) and monkey viruses and bacteria such as streptococcus in the DTP (diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis) vaccine [Pediatrics, Vol. 75, No. 2, Feb 1985] and Serratia marcesens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serratia_marcescens) in the influenza vaccines [2004 influenza season].

•There is no scientific study to determine whether vaccines have really prevented diseases. Rather disease graphs show vaccines have been introduced at the end of epidemics when the disease was already in its last stages. In case of Small Pox the vaccine actually caused a great spurt in the incidence of disease before public outcry led to its withdrawal.

•There are no long-term studies on vaccine safety. Very short-term tests are carried out where the vaccinated subjects are checked against another group who are given another vaccine. Technically the tests should be carried out against a non-vaccinated group. No one really knows what protocols are followed at such industry based or industry sponsored trials.

•The mercury, aluminum and live viruses in vaccines may be behind the huge epidemic of autism (1 in 110 in the USA), a fact that has been admitted by the US Vaccine Court (http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters). About 83 suspected cases of vaccines causing autism have been awarded compensation.

•Both the Small Pox (http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/Smallpox.aspx) and the Oral Polio Vaccine (http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/Polio-SV40.aspx) are made from monkey serum. This serum has helped many monkey viruses to enter the human blood stream. Out of these, the only researched virus, SV 40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SV40), has been found to be cancerous. These viruses continue to be in the vaccines. The presence of SV 40 in various human cancers has been demonstrated. Today it is known that the virus is being passed on to future generations as its presence in the mother’s milk and human sperms has been established.

•The number of polio (http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/Polio-SV40.aspx) cases was declining before the widespread administration of the Salk vaccine. Cases which had previously been reported as polio are now reported as meningitis. The risk of contracting polio from the live virus vaccine is greater than the risk of acquiring the disease from naturally occurring viruses.

•Many doctors argue that diseases during childhood are due to the body exercising its immune system. Suppressing these diseases causes the immune system to remain undeveloped causing the various autoimmune disorders in adults like diabetes and arthritis that have become epidemics today.

•Vaccines suppress the natural immunity and the body does not have natural antibodies anymore. The mother’s milk therefore does not contain natural antibodies and can no longer protect the child against illnesses.

•In the USA vaccine adverse effects are recorded and the Government offers compensation of millions of dollars to victims (the most recent case in its Vaccine Court may have received upto $200 million in damages). The courts in the USA have paid nearly $ 2 billion in damages so far.

•Vaccines try to create humoral (blood related immunity) whereas it has been found that immunity is developed at various levels: humoral, cellular, and organ specific. We still do not know enough about the human immune system and therefore should not interfere with it.

•In addition to childhood vaccination, new “hypes” like the Swine Flu (http://drtenpenny.com/swine-flu-hype/), Bird Flu (http://drtenpenny.com/bird-flu-hype/), Gardasil for HPV virus (http://drtenpenny.com/gardasil/) and the annual flu vaccine are continuing the to damage people’s health all throughout their life. Yves Thomas, the head of the National Influenza Centre in Geneva said that, “The debate and the arguments that surrounded the A(H1N1) influenza virus two years ago have sharpened public mistrust toward the seasonal flu vaccine.” In 2010, the World Health Organisation (WHO) was accused of dramatizing worldwide influenza cases in order to result in much higher vaccine sales since many countries had signed contracts with a stipulation to automatically buy vaccines when the WHO gave the highest alert level.

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A Few Questions To Ask Your Doctor

Don’t let yourself intimidated by medical doctors, they are NOT Gods and they surely are misinformed, many of them are corrupted or don’t want to acknowledge the dangers of vaccines. Most schools will offer you a waiver if you ask for one. There is NO law that can deny you that. Exemptions are typically for people who have compromised immune systems, allergies to the components used in vaccinations, or strongly held objections. All states but West Virginia and Mississippi allow religious exemptions, and twenty states allow parents to cite personal or philosophical objections. Get yourself educated on the matter, it’s about the life of your child!

ASK QUESTIONS like these:

1. What are the serious negative health effects that these vaccines can generate? Are the risks worth the benefits?

2. Dr. Michel Odent has linked asthma to the whooping cough vaccine. Have you read his research? What do you think?

3. Professor Wakefield (UK) has linked autism and Chrones disease to the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine. What do you think? What evidence do you have to back up your opinions?

4. Why is the same dose of vaccines given to a two month old as for a 5 year old?

5. Are you aware that Japan changed the start time for vaccinating from 3 months to two years and straight away their SIDS rate plummeted?

6. Do you believe in herd immunity? If so, how is it that 98% of U.S.A. children are vaccinated yet they still have outbreaks of these diseases?

7. Most diseases were already 90% gone before any vaccines were introduced. If this is so, how can vaccines be applauded for diseases ceasing, especially when there were no vaccines for some diseases like bubonic plague and scarlet fever?

8. How can the Tetanus vaccine induce immunity, when contracting the disease naturally does not give immunity?

9. If the so-called diphtheria vaccine, which is in fact a toxoid, works against the toxin produced by the bacteria, and not against the bacteria itself, then how did this “vaccine” help in the decline in diphtheria?

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EDUCATION MEANS LESS VACCINATION
AND MEDICATION!!

Article Source:

Miller, Neil. Immunization.Theory vs. Reality (http://www.amazon.com/Immunization-Theory-Vs-Reality-Vaccinations/dp/1881217124/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=ur2&tag=spir02-20)
http://www.nvic.org/
http://www.drtenpenny.com/
http://worldtruth.tv/50-reasons-not-to-vaccinate-your-children/
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/government-experts-cover-up-vaccine-hazards/
http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/09/29/the-vaccine-hoax-is-over-by-andrew-baker/
http://www.examiner.com/article/health-care-workers-are-refusing-flu-vaccinations-and-hesitant-to-offer-them
http://rense.com/general7/onlysafe.htm
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/10/50-reasons-not-to-vaccinate-your-children-2483470.html
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/six-reasons-to-say-no-to-vaccination
Flu Shots Have More Than 250x EPA Mercury Safety Limit (http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/10/10/flu-shots-have-more-than-250x-epa-mercury-safety-limit/)
Even FDA Stops Merck’s Gardasil Expansion (http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/10/07/even-fda-stops-mercks-gardasil-expansion/)
Study: Unvaccinated children far less prone to allergies and disease than vaccinated children (http://www.naturalnews.com/033858_unvaccinated_children_health.html#ixzz1afbY K5mp)
State of health of unvaccinated children (http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vaccinations-in-general/health-unvaccinated-children/survey-results-illnesses.html)

Kimberley
24th November 2012, 20:07
I only vaccinated my 2 daughters , 20 & 16 years old, for polio & tetanus. My decision to not vaccinate, 20 years ago was based on a lot of research on my end. And there is so MUCH more information now than there was then. However 20 years ago there was a lot of information for not vaccinating, therefore I did not.

Anyway according to what I learned 20 years ago, it was recommended to do tetanus because of the area I live in and that the tetanus vaccine is introduced into the body the same way the virus would/could be introduced. The reason for the polio vaccine was because if they were not vaccinated they had the possibility of getting polio from other children because of the out gassing for the vaccine.

I know quite a few people that have not vaccinated their children. My daughters hardly ever get sick, and I am so very grateful for that.

So I am stating that obviously I am against vaccinations even more so now that 20 years ago because the case against them keeps getting stronger.

Thanks for the post twinsel.

Much love!

Nanoo Nanoo
24th November 2012, 22:22
Vccines are a control tech. Dont use them, try everything you can to avoid them.

My partner and i hve agreed when we make a baby we will not have any vaccines and we dont want our child going to a school anyway so we will teach it from home. We have researched teaching and integration methods as well as socialising the child with other like minded prents.

Between us we have excellent teaching skills as we have both taught in the past. This is the new way. Be responsible for your off spring.

I have seen what vaccinations do to children not to mention the mortality rate.

If anyone came near my child with a needle they would find them selves in a bit of a pickle :-)

N

TargeT
24th November 2012, 23:43
I think we need to be careful on this topic, we need to not fall into the polarization trap.

Vaccines do work, I have seen it save dogs from the devastating disease called Parvo. Polio was stopped via vaccine, it does work.

I think instead of shifting the fear from lack of vaccination to the fear of any vaccination is the wrong tact.

we should perhaps just re-evaluate our use of vaccines and especially how early/often they are done.

& especially shine the light on manufactures and manufacturing methods.

onawah
25th November 2012, 00:20
You probably have not researched this issue thoroughly enough to realize yet that your statements are highly controversial.
As someone who was very much harmed by the polio vaccine and have done my homework, I especially take issue with this statement:

Polio was stopped via vaccine, it does work.
There is a wealth of evidence to the contrary that has been posted here on Avalon over the years, and I would encourage you to read more of it before you take the stance of a vaccine advocate.
IMHO, the whole "science" behind vaccines was wrong from the very beginning.


I think we need to be careful on this topic, we need to not fall into the polarization trap.

Vaccines do work, I have seen it save dogs from the devastating disease called Parvo. Polio was stopped via vaccine, it does work.

I think instead of shifting the fear from lack of vaccination to the fear of any vaccination is the wrong tact.

we should perhaps just re-evaluate our use of vaccines and especially how early/often they are done.

& especially shine the light on manufactures and manufacturing methods.

mahalall
25th November 2012, 01:04
Recently I shared an horrific death through Meningococcal Meninigitsis. A rare and violent pathogen in a relatively hygienic country. Everything was thrown at the person.Within 48hrs a loving mother and wife had turned into one leaking mess of black tissue. Horrific for all! Prophylactic antibiotics were given to all and the vaccine (with the Y chromosome) was offered.

I declined the vaccine on offer because;
a) adequate infection control procedures were adhered to,
b) the vaccine was offered outside of the incubation period,
c) very unlikely to be exposed to it again in the environment,
d) my immune system is in good shape,
e) all portals off entry were protected.

If i was concerned about any of the above for example if i happened to be in the Meningitsis belt of Africa i would have had the vaccine.

The iatrogenic effect of vaccines is a long way off that of pathogens. But still it's is no excuse to be complacent with an industry that is known to be swung by greed!

So thankyou Twinsel for keeping the light on the subject!

TargeT
25th November 2012, 03:20
You probably have not researched this issue thoroughly enough to realize yet that your statements are highly controversial.
As someone who was very much harmed by the polio vaccine and have done my homework, I especially take issue with this statement:

Polio was stopped via vaccine, it does work.
There is a wealth of evidence to the contrary that has been posted here on Avalon over the years, and I would encourage you to read more of it before you take the stance of a vaccine advocate.
IMHO, the whole "science" behind vaccines was wrong from the very beginning.


Polio is a bad example, you are correct; this fact however does not alter the validity of my statement in any way.

I can re phrase to say " I have seen the benefit of vaccination and the detriment of the lack there of"

It does work, (perhaps it is not the best option possible) though it is not risk-less or perfect, to say otherwise is a fraudulent statement.

I have seen the direct benefit of vaccines close to 100 times via dogs (this qualifies as research Ina higher degree than reading IMO)

As I said, do not polarize yourself... Knowing what I said above, I still go out of my way to avoid vaccination personally.

onawah
25th November 2012, 03:30
Well, this much I can agree with, at least:


I still go out of my way to avoid vaccination personally.

T Smith
25th November 2012, 03:45
Vccines are a control tech. Dont use them, try everything you can to avoid them.

My partner and i hve agreed when we make a baby we will not have any vaccines and we dont want our child going to a school anyway so we will teach it from home. We have researched teaching and integration methods as well as socialising the child with other like minded prents.

Between us we have excellent teaching skills as we have both taught in the past. This is the new way. Be responsible for your off spring.

I have seen what vaccinations do to children not to mention the mortality rate.

If anyone came near my child with a needle they would find them selves in a bit of a pickle :-)

N

Children whose parents make these very decisions are those who will carry the torch.

We absolutely must stop vaccinating and indoctrinating our children if there is to be any hope of surviving the onslaught of genocide currently being waged against humanity.

T Smith
25th November 2012, 04:19
I think we need to be careful on this topic, we need to not fall into the polarization trap.

Vaccines do work, I have seen it save dogs from the devastating disease called Parvo. Polio was stopped via vaccine, it does work.

I think instead of shifting the fear from lack of vaccination to the fear of any vaccination is the wrong tact.

we should perhaps just re-evaluate our use of vaccines and especially how early/often they are done.

& especially shine the light on manufactures and manufacturing methods.

Yes, I agree to a point. The science of vaccination may well be sound. If the agenda were purely about health and well being, and if it were founded on real science, there may be a case for vaccination. Ironically, vaccinations for dogs are more likely based on real science and formulated and administered without an ulterior agenda (I don't think the PTB have an agenda to cull the population of dogs while propagating a multi-billion dollar industry on the treatment of sick dogs en route) and much safer than vaccinations for humans. I, for one, would feel more comfortable receiving a vaccination meant for a dog than the standard flu shot. Even said, there may be some vaccinations for humans that do more good than harm. But the deeper I dig, the more convinced I am this is simply not the case. Even if there are some “good” vaccines, there is simply no way to discern them from the potentially horrific vaccines. My convictions are not based on fear. They are based on uncovering very unpleasant facts and my understanding of the Pharma Industrial Complex and the agenda at its apex that is not merely about profits and money (which is alarming enough) but something far more sinister. Many, many doctors and physicians have sacrificed their careers to blow the whistle on this agenda. They are the voices screaming in the wilderness, but people simply don't want to listen. They don’t want to believe. Read their work. Study the science. Find out whom and what interests sponsored the science, whatever the claim. Be skeptical about all claims, even those that link vaccinations to cancers, autism, lowered IQ, ADHD, and virtually every other epidemic of our modern age. At the end of the day, if you are honest and courageous enough to accept the truth, you may find it very hard to debunk what is going on with vaccinations. It’s not for the weak of heart—and certainly not for the weak of constitution.

Daughter of Time
25th November 2012, 07:40
In Canada, the Environmental Health Clinic is the last government funded resource for people suffering with mysterious, unidentifed, undiagnosed illnesses.

I visited the clinic because of one such undiagnosed health issue. The first question they asked me was whether I'd been vaccinated shortly before becoming ill. I had not! I asked them about vaccines. They said vaccines cause more damage than anyone can imagine and they do not recommend that anyone be subjected to vaccines of any kind. These are M.D.s, but very responsible, enlightened ones who are not brain washed by pharmaceutical companies. They recommend detoxification, healthy diet, high quality supplementation and removing as many stressors as possible from one's life. Unfortunately, not many other M.D.s see things the way they do.

One very smart woman I know was being threatened by her doctor because she would not vaccinate her child against measles, mumps, chicken pox, and other childhood viruses. She told the doctor she'd think about vaccinating the child and get back to him. She immediately started investigating about neighbour children who had any of the viruses her doctor wanted to vaccinate the child against. She sent the child out to play with the sick children in the area. The child got the viruses, overcame them within days, and she's now immune to all of them because she's already had all of them. Upon returning to the doctor, he immediately started bugging her about vaccinating the child. She told the doctor "but my child has already had all these viruses. She's immune now". The doctor's face dropped. End of story!

TargeT
25th November 2012, 12:08
I think we need to be careful on this topic, we need to not fall into the polarization trap.

Vaccines do work, I have seen it save dogs from the devastating disease called Parvo. Polio was stopped via vaccine, it does work.

I think instead of shifting the fear from lack of vaccination to the fear of any vaccination is the wrong tact.

we should perhaps just re-evaluate our use of vaccines and especially how early/often they are done.

& especially shine the light on manufactures and manufacturing methods.

Yes, I agree to a point. The science of vaccination may well be sound. If the agenda were purely about health and well being, and if it were founded on real science, there may be a case for vaccination. Ironically, vaccinations for dogs are more likely based on real science and formulated and administered without an ulterior agenda (I don't think the PTB have an agenda to cull the population of dogs while propagating a multi-billion dollar industry on the treatment of sick dogs en route) and much safer than vaccinations for humans. I, for one, would feel more comfortable receiving a vaccination meant for a dog than the standard flu shot. Even said, there may be some vaccinations for humans that do more good than harm. But the deeper I dig, the more convinced I am this is simply not the case. Even if there are some “good” vaccines, there is simply no way to discern them from the potentially horrific vaccines. My convictions are not based on fear. They are based on uncovering very unpleasant facts and my understanding of the Pharma Industrial Complex and the agenda at its apex that is not merely about profits and money (which is alarming enough) but something far more sinister. Many, many doctors and physicians have sacrificed their careers to blow the whistle on this agenda. They are the voices screaming in the wilderness, but people simply don't want to listen. They don’t want to believe. Read their work. Study the science. Find out whom and what interests sponsored the science, whatever the claim. Be skeptical about all claims, even those that link vaccinations to cancers, autism, lowered IQ, ADHD, and virtually every other epidemic of our modern age. At the end of the day, if you are honest and courageous enough to accept the truth, you may find it very hard to debunk what is going on with vaccinations. It’s not for the weak of heart—and certainly not for the weak of constitution.

Strange; to me I said the exact same thing you did( in my mind), except my call for moderation of extreme thoughts, or polarization (which is being completely ignored) was my intended point, not vaccination (my fault for going a bit off topic I suppose) I am we'll aware of what you wrote, I went so far as to state that I avoid shots myself.... Interesting phenomenon here.

Libico
25th November 2012, 13:15
Thanks for the post Twinsel - some great information in this article.

Vaccinations are a touchy subject for me - I've brought up the topic with my wife a few times and she turns rabid on me. She is willing to listen to me on most issues (water fluoridation, big pharma medication) but when it comes to vaccinations she isn't willing to listen. Her father and her older brother both almost died from Meningitis (her father at age 20, her brother at 3 or 4) so she is too scared not to vaccinate our children. She is willing to compromise on not giving in her eyes unnecessary vaccinations such as chicken pox, but others she won't budge. I tried bringing it up recently and wowee what a fight we had - we have a healthy relationship but this triggered enough emotions in her where she said she'd take me to court if I pushed her on this (not that it would ever go that far, but it shows how afraid of this she is). We already vaccinated our oldest (1 yr 4 months) but have our second due in February, so I'm wondering how to approach this with her. I know her stance is purely fear based but it can be difficult trying to get through to someone with rational arguments, especially with her family's history.

Anyway, just sharing my frustrations over this...

Twinsel
25th November 2012, 14:16
Hey Libico,

I can understand your frustation and well, ofc the fear as well for your little child.
I talked with many people about.... Well everything about the shift of consciousness, including positive changes and the negative side effects you could say. But when the person is not ready to accept the information you offer, it means it's not a part of there realitity, they won't believe you. You are tuned to another channel then they are. You like to change the view of your wife, with all good intentions. But sometimes it's better to leave it, don't push it, she will come by hereself to ask what's your opinion about a subject. It takes times to grew a fruit, as well of awereness.

I try to see things in neihter a good way or a bad way. Are vaccins bad to give it to your child, yes if you look at the big picture, big pharma prio is earn money, de-population programs, mind control etc. etc. Are vaccins bad to give it to your child, no if your doing it with love for your child preventing him/here to get sick, based on your reality. It's not only your decision, so your part of reality, but here's as well to make the decision for your child. I'am in no position to tell you what to do, i only can say if it's a act of love, a act from the heart, then it's always good.

Take care, wish you the wisdom and love in your heart.

gooty64
25th November 2012, 14:33
How do you debunk a hoax?
Does it mean if you successfully debunk the hoax, that then the hoax is no longer a hoax and now true/real?
:noidea:

T Smith
25th November 2012, 15:57
I think we need to be careful on this topic, we need to not fall into the polarization trap.

Vaccines do work, I have seen it save dogs from the devastating disease called Parvo. Polio was stopped via vaccine, it does work.

I think instead of shifting the fear from lack of vaccination to the fear of any vaccination is the wrong tact.

we should perhaps just re-evaluate our use of vaccines and especially how early/often they are done.

& especially shine the light on manufactures and manufacturing methods.

Yes, I agree to a point. The science of vaccination may well be sound. If the agenda were purely about health and well being, and if it were founded on real science, there may be a case for vaccination. Ironically, vaccinations for dogs are more likely based on real science and formulated and administered without an ulterior agenda (I don't think the PTB have an agenda to cull the population of dogs while propagating a multi-billion dollar industry on the treatment of sick dogs en route) and much safer than vaccinations for humans. I, for one, would feel more comfortable receiving a vaccination meant for a dog than the standard flu shot. Even said, there may be some vaccinations for humans that do more good than harm. But the deeper I dig, the more convinced I am this is simply not the case. Even if there are some “good” vaccines, there is simply no way to discern them from the potentially horrific vaccines. My convictions are not based on fear. They are based on uncovering very unpleasant facts and my understanding of the Pharma Industrial Complex and the agenda at its apex that is not merely about profits and money (which is alarming enough) but something far more sinister. Many, many doctors and physicians have sacrificed their careers to blow the whistle on this agenda. They are the voices screaming in the wilderness, but people simply don't want to listen. They don’t want to believe. Read their work. Study the science. Find out whom and what interests sponsored the science, whatever the claim. Be skeptical about all claims, even those that link vaccinations to cancers, autism, lowered IQ, ADHD, and virtually every other epidemic of our modern age. At the end of the day, if you are honest and courageous enough to accept the truth, you may find it very hard to debunk what is going on with vaccinations. It’s not for the weak of heart—and certainly not for the weak of constitution.

Strange; to me I said the exact same thing you did( in my mind), except my call for moderation of extreme thoughts, or polarization (which is being completely ignored) was my intended point, not vaccination (my fault for going a bit off topic I suppose) I am we'll aware of what you wrote, I went so far as to state that I avoid shots myself.... Interesting phenomenon here.

Hi TargeT,

Your point about polarization is well taken. I read your post again from the intended vantage and see exactly your point, which I missed the first time. So many issues unnecessarily polarize (not just vaccination), and even those of us who are aware of this dynamic, who would work to unify, fall into the trap of discussing the issues via our own subjective biases. This is often the reason people, who otherwise have common interests and purposes, talk past each other instead of connecting and empowering themselves. This is your point, I think, and I agree with you 100%.

TigaHawk
26th November 2012, 01:18
Funny this post is acompanied by this in our news today:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/deadly-outbreaks-feared-as-immunisation-rates-plunge/story-fnet08xa-1226523789892

I dont think they will dare show the comments that have been submitted, even tho there is an option to "post" them.


Funny as well how, like GMO crops, they have done no extensive testing on the effects of the fun addatives in Vaccines, like Mercury, etc. Yet claim its safe. How can they say that when they dont even know and they refuze to research into it?

That's like announcing proudly that the number of drunk drivers caught in your state has dropped by 40% becuase they recently raised the blood alcohol limit by .5 (Utterly Stupid!)

conk
26th November 2012, 18:48
I think we need to be careful on this topic, we need to not fall into the polarization trap.

Vaccines do work, I have seen it save dogs from the devastating disease called Parvo. Polio was stopped via vaccine, it does work.

I think instead of shifting the fear from lack of vaccination to the fear of any vaccination is the wrong tact.

we should perhaps just re-evaluate our use of vaccines and especially how early/often they are done.

& especially shine the light on manufactures and manufacturing methods.TargetT, I'm quite surprised at you. Vaccines DID NOT have an effect on polio and it certainly did nothing to stop the spread. It's not just the vaccines. It's the ill intent of the makers and sellers!!!

Arrowwind
26th November 2012, 19:21
Homeopathic applications of germs in the delivery system called Homoepathic Prophylaxis demonstrates that the core idea of vaccination does work and homeopaths and individuals have practiced this for a long time. Vaccines today to not emulate the original vaccine theory nor application. Overwhelming the immune system with so many vaccines is also very dangerous and adds risk that a vaccine on its own may not deliver.

http://www.healthsalon.org/195/homeopathic-vaccination-or-prophylaxis-per-issac-golden/

Polio is almost completely gone on the world stage with most cases found in Africa, Pakistan and China. It is likely that the vaccine will bediscontiued as time goes by. Many nations report no cases of polio which kind of debunks that the vaccine causes the disease theory because they are all still vaccinating for it.. Perhaps older polio vaccines caused more problems in creating disease than what they use now.
http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=40

But I cant help to note that instead of polio we now have a world wide epidemic of unknown origin and cause of chronic fatigue, ALS, MS, fibromyalgia, gullian barre syndrom (that is sometimes associated with a polio vaccine) All diseases that were not so common 60 years ago.

Large dosages of vitamin c can cure polio and likely prevent it too. Go to www.vitamincfoundation.org (http://www.vitamincfoundation.org) for the details.

TargeT
26th November 2012, 19:36
TargetT, I'm quite surprised at you. Vaccines DID NOT have an effect on polio and it certainly did nothing to stop the spread. It's not just the vaccines. It's the ill intent of the makers and sellers!!!

Very true, I remember the declne rate graphs preceding the release of the vaccine,
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/Polio.gif
I'm not sure it did anything at all other than cause GBS and other ailments.

Polio was a bad choice to use (possibly the worst) for an example.

WanderingRogue
26th November 2012, 20:58
I have a couple of things that I would like to share on this topic and I would like to prface it by saying that I am basing everything I say upon my own experiences...I can provide factual evidence to support any of the things I say if needed. Just ask me, so here goes:

1. I do see a lot of polarization on this topic. People are either to scared to refuse vaccines or to scared to get them. Both ends are based largely in fear, so it is difficult for me to accept either perspective as a well thought out logical argument. Fear is not logical. I am a bit surprised that this community is having difficulty finding a middle ground on the topic. It is frustrating because I know there are a lot of people out there who may be reading this thread because they are undecided on the topic. If you look at the thread statistics, it has been viewed over 800 times even though we only have a single page of comments. So, speaking for the viewers and those who hope to learn something about vaccines, maybe we could try to have an open minded discussion on the issue instead of knee-jerk reactions.

Main point: Fear is not a guide.

2. I have been raising dogs for over 15 years and I have first hand experience that SOME vaccines work. I have swung from both sides of the pendulum. I started out thinking that vaccines were just another way for big companies and veterinarians to make money. When my kennel was exposed to Parvo, I thought the puppies would get pretty sick, but with excellent supportive care, they would live and have a natural immunity. I thought nature would handle it just fine. I was wrong. 2 litters of puppies were effected, 6 Beagles and 10 rottweilers; only half of the puppies survived. I held each one in my hands as they took their last breaths. But I still held onto faith that nature had run its course. Nature would prevail and the remaining puppies would now be stronger and healthier than before. Again, I was wrong. I kept in contact with the puppies over the years. They grew slowly and became stunted, they were weaker in constitution, and they experienced intestinal issues for months. I also thought the rest of my kennel was in the clear. Wrong...I had 2 more litters of puppies that year. Only half of the puppies survived past 2-3 weeks old. I researched everything! I researched natural remedies, cures, preventatives...I would have adopted voodoo if it would have worked. I learned that the parvo virus was still active in my kennels, even though the effected dogs had either died or gotten better. It would continue to kill my puppies unless I found a way to control it. Parvovirus is one of the hardest virus' to eradicate from your property and can and does remain viable in the environment regardless of weather conditions or attempts to destroy it. Only direct contact with chlorine bleach or highly corrosive chemicals can kill it in the environment. There is no way to remove it permanently form the soil, porous surfaces, or organic matter. In the end, vaccines were the answer. BUT here's the fun part...you can't just buy any Parvo vaccine. They don't ALL work, they aren't ALL safe! After A LOT of research, I was able to find a safe and reliable vaccine. My Parvo experience happened 8 years ago. After the first round of vaccines, no incidents of Parvo were noted...NOT ONE! All of my dogs are now vaccinated for Parvo, however, there are many other diseases I do not vaccinate for.

The main point: Some vaccines work wonderfully for their intended purposes.

3. I am the mother of 5 children. I have spent alot of time listening to both sides of the vaccine argument. I was very relaxed in my approach to vaccinations with them. I looked at each vaccine individually and weighed the pros and cons of each. I looked into the effectiveness, potential side effects, and the likelihood of my child getting the disease, as well as the complications each disease could present if my child were to contract it. In the end, I chose to give some vaccines and deny some vaccines. I also chose the frequency and intervals between vaccines. I tried to let facts and intuition guide me...NOT FEAR! So far, I have seen no side effects with the vaccines I have chosen to give my children. They all have wonderful immune systems and are rarely ill. I didn't take them to a doc every time they were sick as they have grown up. I have allowed their immune systems to work and grow by allowing the immune systems to fight whatever they could. If it needed a little help, then we helped. I didn't wait for nature to run its course when my daughter had RSV when she was 6 weeks old...but I didn't run to the doc every time we noticed a cough or fever. I find that viewing medical aids and vaccines as tools rather than necessities or as things to avoid is a nice way to find balance.

Main point: Find balance and do your research and decisions; follow your intuition.

4. I am curios about some of the statements made in this thread as well. Such as,

TargetT, I'm quite surprised at you. Vaccines DID NOT have an effect on polio and it certainly did nothing to stop the spread. It's not just the vaccines. It's the ill intent of the makers and sellers!!!
a) I see no documented proof that vaccines DID NOT have an effect on polio....can you provide that please?
b) The tone taken in this comment.... TargetT, I'm quite surprised at you.... infers that you expect more from this person. What is it you expect? Why are you surprised? Is it not OK for him/her to have their own view?

Main point: Use facts for big blanket statements that could be considered iconoclastic in nature, and don't belittle others for having a different opinion from you.

WanderingRogue
26th November 2012, 21:25
TargetT, I'm quite surprised at you. Vaccines DID NOT have an effect on polio and it certainly did nothing to stop the spread. It's not just the vaccines. It's the ill intent of the makers and sellers!!!

Very true, I remember the declne rate graphs preceding the release of the vaccine,
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/Polio.gif
I'm not sure it did anything at all other than cause GBS and other ailments.

Polio was a bad choice to use (possibly the worst) for an example.


Actually, there is an alternate explanation for this graph appearing as it does.

1. Only dates from the start of the decline are noted. Where are the statistics from dates earlier than 1920?
Poliomyelitis was first recognized as a distinct condition by Jakob Heine in 1840.[5] Its causative agent, poliovirus, was identified in 1908 by Karl Landsteiner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis

2. Is it possible that it was declining because more and more people were exponentially being exposed to it and therefore fewer and fewer people without a natural immunity were being exposed?

3. The graph does show that the decline in incidents was indeed faster after the introduction of the vaccine.

4. This was an epidemic that took place in a part of our history where fewer people were traveling from place to place, so naturally the spread of the epidemic would quickly lose momentum.

5. TargeT: If the point was looking at polarization of the subject, then this is a great example...it was immediately met with polarized comments.

conk
27th November 2012, 16:23
I4. I am curios about some of the statements made in this thread as well. Such as,

TargetT, I'm quite surprised at you. Vaccines DID NOT have an effect on polio and it certainly did nothing to stop the spread. It's not just the vaccines. It's the ill intent of the makers and sellers!!!
a) I see no documented proof that vaccines DID NOT have an effect on polio....can you provide that please?
b) The tone taken in this comment.... TargetT, I'm quite surprised at you.... infers that you expect more from this person. What is it you expect? Why are you surprised? Is it not OK for him/her to have their own view?

Main point: Use facts for big blanket statements that could be considered iconoclastic in nature, and don't belittle others for having a different opinion from you.

I have tried to find my source regarding polio, but alas....I think it was a Dr. Russell Blaylock newsletter. The main reason he feels the polio vaccine had no effect is forgotten ( it was quite convincing. sorry about my poor memory), but another reason was that the vaccine was introduced at the apex of the scare. The natural fall off on the right side of the bell curve was incorrrectly attributed to the vaccine.

And my surprise at TargetT was because of my respect for him and his knowledge. I often learn something from him (her? sorry) by his posts. I do expect more of TargetT, as he has shown us how much info is in his brain in the past. ;)

GrnEggsNHam
27th November 2012, 18:19
This probably doesn't mean much of anything but I'm sitting here reading this, so may as well chime in.

The 19th century medicine is inherently incorrect. It is based on trials and when it works on a certain number of those participants then it's declared as beneficial. However everyone's cells are structured by unique DNA. This is why it works for some(or appears to) and does not for others.

The human system is not incomplete, it's complete. A healthy body produces all the desired chemicals it requires. The immune system does not need any injections to do it's job. Just as the lungs and heart don't need any outside interference to do their jobs. The first clue is that everyone receives the same vaccine... How can this be if my cells are different from yours?

I have no doubt that my body was injected with multiple invasions(vaccines/drugs/chemicals/etc.) as a child and still is today through other means. I'm fortunate enough to have a rather sturdy DNA structure and the invasions were taken care of and life goes on.

I see vaccines more of a massive genetic experiment than anything else. Let's inject the populous with this and that and see who dies and doesn't. Who gets maimed and who thrives and strides on. Then as a result only the most substantial of humans will be left to procreate and so on and so forth.

I am no M.D. and really don't care for labels so take my 2 cents for whatever you think it's worth.

angel in disguise
27th November 2012, 18:57
Anyone know about the requirements for yellow fever if travelling to South America? I've been told I need it to fly. I'm not happy about this. Anyone have any advice? My appointment is tonight. Ugh! I'm flying from Canada through the states and will be visiting Columbia, Ecuador, and Peru.

WanderingRogue
27th November 2012, 19:23
And my surprise at TargetT was because of my respect for him and his knowledge. I often learn something from him (her? sorry) by his posts. I do expect more of TargetT, as he has shown us how much info is in his brain in the past.

So, I truly admire, respect, and adore Mr. TargeT and I think I got a little protective. Sorry :o

Paul
27th November 2012, 19:40
I have tried to find my source regarding polio, but alas....I think it was a Dr. Russell Blaylock newsletter. The main reason he feels the polio vaccine had no effect is forgotten ( it was quite convincing. sorry about my poor memory), but another reason was that the vaccine was introduced at the apex of the scare. The natural fall off on the right side of the bell curve was incorrrectly attributed to the vaccine.
You're right. Russell Blaylock has covered this at least three times in his newsletter "The Blaylock Wellness Report".

He covered in the opening article of his first letter, Vol 1, No 1, May 2004, which begins:




Vaccinations: The Hidden Dangers

Most people have at least heard about the controversy surrounding
the possible harmful effects of some vaccines. What is less known is
that even greater dangers exist than are being conveyed to the general
public.

Much of this startling information is buried in highly technical sci-
entific journals beyond the reach and understanding of the average
person. Too often, experts in the field are afraid to rock the boat by
publicizing the known dangers of vaccines. I am not one of them.
Of special concern to me is the relationship between vaccine poli-
cy, autism and Gulf War Syndrome. I shall use Gulf War Syndrome as
an example of a vaccine policy gone berserk, while including discus-
sions of other dangers as well.

Vaccines: Not the Panacea You Thought They Were

Most scientific observers have attributed the dramatic fall in infec-
tious diseases to the appearance of widespread vaccination, despite
recent evidence that some of that credit is unjustified. For example,
an abundance of evidence has shown that that improved public health
measures and nutrition — not vaccines — have played the major role
in the sudden decline in most of the infectious diseases plaguing
mankind.

Likewise, there is growing evidence that vaccinations are not pro-
viding the protection that they are touted to provide.

For example, all cases of polio occurring after the introduction of
the polio vaccine have been traced to the vaccine itself. Other vac-
cines, such as those for diphtheria and pertussus, have been shown to
have high failure rates.

Blaylock covered this topic again in Vol 5, No 5, May 2008 in the lead article "The Trouble With Vaccines", and in Vol 6, No 8, August 2009 in the lead article "Vaccinations and Brain Injuries — Are You at Risk?". He may have covered it yet again recently, but I don't have the last years worth of reports to know.

Blaylock has had much to say on this topic. I won't quote it all here, as it would be long, and it is his copyright subscription material. His newsletter is a remarkably fine integration of well researched reporting, deep personal knowledge and experience (including as a successful brain surgeon for many years) and clueful aware health insights that have escaped the model of conventional medical practice. See further http://w3.newsmax.com/blaylock.cfm for more information and subscription details.

Arrowwind
27th November 2012, 19:58
No matter how much Baylock or others say is seems that is too little too late for the masses who are so ardently emersed in maintaing the status quo of diminished consciousness. Millions of children are damaged and deranged every year.

TargeT
27th November 2012, 19:59
I4. I am curios about some of the statements made in this thread as well. Such as,

TargetT, I'm quite surprised at you. Vaccines DID NOT have an effect on polio and it certainly did nothing to stop the spread. It's not just the vaccines. It's the ill intent of the makers and sellers!!!
a) I see no documented proof that vaccines DID NOT have an effect on polio....can you provide that please?
b) The tone taken in this comment.... TargetT, I'm quite surprised at you.... infers that you expect more from this person. What is it you expect? Why are you surprised? Is it not OK for him/her to have their own view?

Main point: Use facts for big blanket statements that could be considered iconoclastic in nature, and don't belittle others for having a different opinion from you.

I have tried to find my source regarding polio, but alas....I think it was a Dr. Russell Blaylock newsletter. The main reason he feels the polio vaccine had no effect is forgotten ( it was quite convincing. sorry about my poor memory), but another reason was that the vaccine was introduced at the apex of the scare. The natural fall off on the right side of the bell curve was incorrrectly attributed to the vaccine.

And my surprise at TargetT was because of my respect for him and his knowledge. I often learn something from him (her? sorry) by his posts. I do expect more of TargetT, as he has shown us how much info is in his brain in the past. ;)


There are many charts similar to the one I posted on Polio, the vaccine was introduced so far BEYOND the Apex that (in my mind) it clearly proves that "the shot" had nothing to do with the decline; it is much more likely that improved hygiene and perhaps the disease had just run out of victims that were vulnerable to it.

I wouldn't take WonderingRogue's comments too seriously, I think she really just wanted to work in a way to make fun of my new tattoo (and it was cleverly done.. Iconoclastic... Ha!)


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/4D4C561C-8364-4146-BBE4-F86B419D8915-104-0000000075779200.jpg



Vaccines: Not the Panacea You Thought They Were[/COLOR]

Most scientific observers have attributed the dramatic fall in infec-
tious diseases to the appearance of widespread vaccination, despite
recent evidence that some of that credit is unjustified. For example,
an abundance of evidence has shown that that improved public health
measures and nutrition — not vaccines — have played the major role
in the sudden decline in most of the infectious diseases plaguing
mankind.



Again, I'll fall back on why I originally posted in this thread... this is NOT a black and white issue.. vaccines at times do work.

My intent was not to support vaccination blindly, or support zero vaccination blindly; I was trying to call to attention the propensity to polarize topics and how that should be avoided (AT ALL COSTS IMO!) as it is a part of the problem faced by humanity almost daily..

Why do you think the Masonic tiles are black and white... its a physical metaphor for duality, something that must be transcended!

http://www.captiveminds.org/amss/images/masonic%20pillars.jpg
There is meaning in this picture... it's a test for masons for a reason.

conk
27th November 2012, 20:13
I think we all have to go back to the thesis of Dawn's thread on gut bacteria. For those who have a plethora of beneficial bacteria the pathogens (like the polio virus) cannot get a foothold. More and more it seems all roads lead back to the colon.

TargeT
27th November 2012, 20:18
I think we all have to go back to the thesis of Dawn's thread on gut bacteria. For those who have a plethora of beneficial bacteria the pathogens (like the polio virus) cannot get a foothold. More and more it seems all roads lead back to the colon.

I agree, the colon is our direct interface with our external stomach (the earth and its environment) and is an excellent topic to start on when trying to explain to people how EVERYTHING is interconnected, regardless of how much "me" identity ego imposes on us.

I think this should be the focus of "environmentalists" as it can be directly connected to human health (and what motivates us more than personal connection??)