Syria - weapons of mass destruction, all over again!

[Tony]

Do they think we are totally stupid, this is weapons of mass destruction, all over again!
These people are totally evil, in creating a world of suffering. Day after day we see them turning the screws tighter and tighter...and think we do not notice!

All the heads of state must know what is going on, but fear they will be treated like John Kennedy, so they cannot say too much.


CC0JN-_XZO0

[gooty64]

Good to point out what should be obvious.

When the bully with all of the weapons of mass destruction, points at the little guy saying, "you are making WMD's" or "you have WMD"S" or "you little guy can't be trusted if you get your hands on some of the WMD's like we have in our toychest".....blahblahblah

This world doesn't even look real to me anymore...

[Tony]

Police state, Police world.

We have to know what is going on, but we do not have to be taken in by it!





This is from, BREAKING ALL THE RULES Forum

Popular Culture Promotes the Police State

The New World Order, designed around a functional police state that is encouraged by continuous popular cultural messages, is apparent to even the most avid establishment apologist. Liberty and freedom, hardly ever mentioned in a positive light by the mass media, is a direct threat to the ruling class. The proliferation of degenerate behavior is lauded so that those who object to such conduct will be demeaned as outcasts of the decadent society. The imposition of a police state is necessary to coerce decent people into forced obedience.
Cultural celebrities and icons come and go, but their art often rings on for good or bad. Political propaganda, embedded in media projects, has transcended subliminal messages and now emphasizes in your face brashness. The breakdown of the traditional value society is so complete, that what was once viewed as insulting political disinformation now passes as a promotion for a loyalist NWO drama.

One such Showtime production is the pathetic Homeland series.
Rachel Shabi offers her review assessment in the piece; Does Homeland just wave the American flag?

"Instead, Homeland presents a retuned version of the same unshakeable assurance that, even when things are really complicated, American values are the fairest, the most right and the best. Sure, the series shows US forces doing terrible things: covering up a drone attack that kills civilians in Iraq; trigger-happy in a US mosque, leaving innocents dead there, too. But these are presented as necessary acts in pursuit of far worse crimes. Homeland's core message is that the US means well, but sometimes has to do bad things; while the Arab and/or Muslim enemy doesn't mean well and hence does unfathomably bad things. Not much of a progression really, is it?"

When the postmortem of the Patriotic Act era is dissected, the treason of intelligence community operations will be written in their full horror. The police state glorified in Homeland episodes is meant to prepare the public for the next stage of centralized oppression.
While cable or broadcast TV is so removed from Little House on the Prairie, today’s programming is designed to facilitate the psychological acceptance of the transition into a maximum lock down prison society.

In the essay, Mass Mind Control Through Network Television, Alex Ansary warns of the prison industrial complex.
"Turn on your local newscast. You have a few minutes of blue-collar crime, hardly any white collar crime, a few minutes of sports, misc. chit chat, random political jibber-jabber, and a look at the weather that no one is forecasting correctly. Is that what happened in your town? And we're supposed to own the airwaves! The mainstream media openly supports the interests of the prison industrial complex. The stories focus on minority criminal groups, and exploit the real threat to appear much more dangerous than they are. Think about the growing per capita number of prisoners in the country. Then remember that this is happening at the same time that our prison boom began. The police on our streets have created criminals. The focus is to keep us in a state of fear, that way the elitists can attack any group they want to without fear of consequence. This is why the media is continuing to craft the timeless
art of dehumanization."

The cutting edge of mind control has long included the use of music and lyrics that produce subconscious meanings. Now the fascist messages in street music indoctrinate not only the youth but target to reinforce the despotic aspirations of TSA flunkies.
The article, The Transhumanist and Police State Agenda in Pop Music, provides two examples of globalist messages disguised as performances by Rihanna and Beyonce.

"In hip-hop slang, the term "hard" usually refers to someone who is street-savvy, gritty, rebellious and who is decisively "not down with police". Hard transposes this term to a military context. Her militaristic video features a gang of uniformed men dancing under the orders of "General Rihanna". We’ve come a long way from Public Enemy’s Fight the Power…it is now Submit to the Power. All of this military/dictatorial imagery is mixed with Rihanna’s sexy moves and outfits, appealing to the masses’ basest instinct: sex."
"Beyonce walks on stage with a bunch of men dressed in riot gear… the type of unit a police state would use to repress opposition during popular turmoil. What are they doing in Beyonce’s performance? Contributing to permeate popular culture with police-state imagery."

In the follow-up account, you can read the description mentioned in this report.
"Two recent examples of the perpetuation of the police state agenda in popular culture are Jay-Z and Kanye West’s music video No Church in the Wild and Adam Lambert’s Never Close our Eyes. In spite of, or perhaps because of, the fact that these songs are two different genres that aim to reach two different markets, they both contribute to the saturation of popular culture with police state imagery. While the authorities are not necessarily portrayed as the "good guys", they are nevertheless there, as if their presence at any kind of public demonstration is normal."

Contrast this dark brute force portrayal, with an age of optimism and hope. The peace and love themes in the music and political actions of John Lennon offer a rudimentary alternative to the grisly atrocities that the establishment commits routinely in the name of national secuGangster rap has little in common with All You Need is Love.

Rebellion of youth is natural, but resigned acceptance for submission to the police state is repression. The thirty-two years since his assassination has been one long road into oblivion. Read the "Interview With Investigative Reporter Jack Jones" for insights into the elimination of a dangerous messenger of peace.What a long way away from John Lennon’s lyrics in the song Revolution.

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You'd better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow

Now, transition from the mental liberation of the Beetle era, and go back and examine the overt war crimes of the premier American despot, Abraham Lincoln. Biographer and jingoism jezebel LBJ groupie, Doris Kearns Goodwin’s book, Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln served as the backdrop of Steven Spielberg’s production of the recent released Lincoln film.


Alec Ryan writes in the American Renaissance:
"In the modern Hollywood narrative, all American history revolves around the Sacred Black Experience. Lincoln confirms this, bending historical truth to paint the most ruthless, bloody-minded, strong-willed American leader in history as some kind of smug, pre-post-modern storyteller croaking gamely through the difficulties like a paleface Obama sans teleprompter. The few Southerners are snarling, greasy bigots, recoiling before the erect, scowling black Union guards as they slink by during a meeting that led to the Hampton Roads peace conference of February 1865.

The film has throughout a sense of hushed awe, as if kowtowing to its own self-evident righteousness. There is no balance, no complexity, no sense of inner struggle or desperation. No opposing arguments. Its simplistic outlook more closely resembles the popcorn-psychology Avengers or Justice League rather than the serious historical movie that it clearly wishes to be acclaimed."
The point of evaluating the worship adoration of the destroyer of the Republic with the authoritarianism of the newly re-elected president is to equate the despotism of both of their regimes. The imposition of the police state is part of the master plan to enslave the inherent autonomy of free citizens.


The insidious popular culture strips the institutions of traditional constitutional protections and separations of powers by diminishing the will of sovereign citizens to fight tyranny. The goal of imposing savage dehumanizing ruthlessness seeks to spread the Sons of Anarchy mindset into positions of authority. The merging of law enforcement into the ranks of criminal organizations becomes a common occurrence in the police state environment.
Once upon a time, the peace officer maintained order and balance. Now law enforcement deems that natural rights are arbitrary and conditional on obedience to government dictates.

911 provided the excuse to inflict a "War of Terror" under the disguise of national security. The Homeland program scripts that foster the ends justify the means are repugnant to every liberty advocate. Each day, the evolving police state is becoming more invasive and punitive.

A culture that glorifies jack booted thugs that order innocent citizens around as sinister terrorists destroys the essence of the nation. The New World Order essentially uses depressing indoctrination of the inevitability for submission to their mind game matrix.

The walking dead that accept a dependent society administered by bureaucratic goons, willingly tolerant a fate of bondage. Since texting is all the rage and the written language is sorely deficient, maybe the best way to communicate though the popular culture is to withdraw from the experience as much as possible. Try one on one contact; you might be surprised with the results.

SARTRE – December 2, 2012
　

[Etherios]

LoL CNN ... Center for Non News aka Fake stories ...

[Cidersomerset]

Yeh i saw this item yesterday.....The same reteric that was used before the invasion of Iraq...

Why would Assad be so stupid ? He knows it would be an invitation for invasion...

yfCidP0qbis

Published on 3 Dec 2012 by RTAmerica


The conflict between the government of Syria and anti-government rebels has brought violence
and death to the war torn country for months and recently reports have surfaced that Syria's
president is preparing to deploy chemical weapons against the rebels. But are these allegations
true or is this Iraq version 2.0? Kristine Frazao has more.

[Fred Steeves]

I think this might just be another example, like Iraq, of what David Icke coined: "NO Problem, Reaction, Solution". By destroying (I mean saving) yet another country, Obama can once and for all firmly secure his lightworker status, and maybe even bring home another Nobel Peace Prize for his noble efforts. After that, one can only imagine the level of peace and prosperity he is prepared to offer Iran.

He had just better not forget to continue getting permission slips from the U.N. :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Fred

[bennycog]

was the new gaza conflict, a visual manipulation technique to house interest amongst the population, for making them think they need to back another senseless, violent, sacraficial war?

[bram]

I think this might just be another example, like Iraq, of what David Icke coined: "NO Problem, Reaction, Solution". By destroying (I mean saving) yet another country, Obama can once and for all firmly secure his lightworker status, and maybe even bring home another Nobel Peace Prize for his noble efforts. After that, one can only imagine the level of peace and prosperity he is prepared to offer Iran.

He had just better not forget to continue getting permission slips from the U.N. :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Fred

Hi Fred,

Which do you think was the most deservving Nobel Peace Prize Laureat, Obama or Henry Kissinger? ;)

[seko]

This is the time to focus on good things and not pay attention to their lies (MSM) been fed from the tablecloth.

[bram]

Do they think we are totally stupid, this is weapons of mass destruction, all over again!
These people are totally evil, in creating a world of suffering. Day after day we see them turning the screws tighter and tighter...and think we do not notice!

All the heads of state must know what is going on, but fear they will be treated like John Kennedy, so they cannot say too much.


CC0JN-_XZO0

Hi Tony,

Do you think we create these people, through our egoic obsession with our separate selves and our desire to vindicate our selves by believing everyone outside our group (read: club/religion/nation) to be evil?

Once the number of people who understand this collective paranoia to be egoic delusion reaches critical mass, it will just dissolve............or so I am hoping!

Love, bram

[Gardener]

I so totally agree with not buying into their fear mongering excuses for another time. OMG I can't believe they are actually trying this one again!!!!:jaw:

This is the time to focus on good things and not pay attention to their lies (MSM) been fed from the tablecloth.

[bram]

One issue to bear in mind about the Syrian conflict is that Syria is the only remaining country with a Mediterranean coast that provides a haven for the Russian navy. Once the pro-soviet government is out of the way, the US navy will have a massive strategic advantage in the mediterranean and will of course be able to control entry to the Suez canal from the mediterranean side. Any unwelcome traffic will be forced to go all the way around south africa. Furthermore, US ships and submarines will be able to target vast areas from the med. without any comeback from the russians, and of course russian nuclear submarines will be excluded completely from the mediterranean.

Following the seizure of Libya, Syria is now the last link in US domination of Europe and the former eastern bloc. Who said the cold war was over?

[East Sun]

Divide and destroy one after the other. This is 2012 so if nothing big happens this year I think it's back to the drawing board.

p s Well, at least the cycle is at a turning point for the better and we're on our way.

[noprophet]

LoL CNN ... Center for Non News aka Fake stories ...
From Chuck Lorre, creator of a ton of network television over the years. (Its funny, but also true.)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=18907&d=1351035833

[ghostrider]

Syria doesn't have check points at airports, or drones spying on me, or NDAA laws taking my freedoms, or an IRS taking my money, or fema camp constructions, or wire taps on americans using cell phones in america, Syria didn't nuke Japan, Syria didn't invade Irag, Korea, Vietnam, afganistan, Germany, Panama etc , Syria doesn't have military bases around the world. Sryia doesn't modify the food supply of america, Syria doesn't create inflation, Syria doesn't have a pentegon, Syria doesn't bow to King James, Syria didn't drone strike Lybia, you get my point , who is the real weapon of mass destruction ?? order out of chaos. Their jig is up and they know it, they must run underground like rats. The EMV's will do the rest. When are we gonna leave other countries alone and take care of our own house first ???? I wish I could fire all of them today, from the top to the dog catcher and start over, with two year term limits on everyone.

[Carmody]

if the CIA backed folks get in there, it probably will be via sharia law of some sort, it is suspected, and that all the Coptic Christians in Syria would likely be slaughtered. It would make them look innocent in the public eye, and keep the heat on in the area....at the same time they get the strategic ground and oil control that they want. No divining rods or crystal balls over here, it simply smells a bit like the outlined scenario.

[Rocky_Shorz]

before the shock and awe strike in Iraq, a General watched the loading of all Chemicals weapons and barrels of WMD loaded on a plane and shipped to Syria

the French and Russians were to take it once it arrived in Syria back to a safe location...

that part never happened...

it has been quietly shipped back to Iarn and loaded in the war heads for the final battle. they can reach Europe with those rockets...

so for those of you who like to blame everything on America...

they aren't the only ones with dirty hands...

false flag attack, locked and loaded...

[modwiz]

Do they think we are totally stupid, this is weapons of mass destruction, all over again!
These people are totally evil, in creating a world of suffering. Day after day we see them turning the screws tighter and tighter...and think we do not notice!

All the heads of state must know what is going on, but fear they will be treated like John Kennedy, so they cannot say too much.


CC0JN-_XZO0

They think most of the population is. They have been, let us hope there is some learning going on. We hear it from the professional liars. Will we next we hear from friends, neighbors and family members? If somethings works, it will be used. Dogs figure things out quicker than this, . Maybe the family dog can help out here. LOL

[bram]

Do they think we are totally stupid, this is weapons of mass destruction, all over again!
These people are totally evil, in creating a world of suffering. Day after day we see them turning the screws tighter and tighter...and think we do not notice!

All the heads of state must know what is going on, but fear they will be treated like John Kennedy, so they cannot say too much.


CC0JN-_XZO0

They think most of the population is. They have been, let us hope there is some learning going on. We hear it from the professional liars. Will we next we hear from friends, neighbors and family members? If somethings works, it will be used. Dogs figure things out quicker than this, . Maybe the family dog can help out here. LOL

They don't care how bad the story is, and how the family dog could work out its a tissue of lies. They know they will go on repeating it until it is a solid concrete fact. They dont care that people like us can see right through it. Remember the killing of Osama Bin Laden? Fact is the history books (which are 90% fiction at best) will record that they took him out and buried him at sea.

We can see over and again how these poor lies get stronger and stronger as people forget the facts, eventually they become undisputed historical fact. Remember, we are just 'conspiracy theorists' (i.e. nut cases).
Everyone knows the government wouldn't lie to us about such serious issues!!!

[Tony]

Do they think we are totally stupid, this is weapons of mass destruction, all over again!
These people are totally evil, in creating a world of suffering. Day after day we see them turning the screws tighter and tighter...and think we do not notice!

All the heads of state must know what is going on, but fear they will be treated like John Kennedy, so they cannot say too much.


CC0JN-_XZO0

Hi Tony,

Do you think we create these people, through our egoic obsession with our separate selves and our desire to vindicate our selves by believing everyone outside our group (read: club/religion/nation) to be evil?

Once the number of people who understand this collective paranoia to be egoic delusion reaches critical mass, it will just dissolve............or so I am hoping!

Love, bram



Dear Bram,
Unfortunately we seemed to have allowed this through ignorance, but also our intelligence has been deflected. The more people become aware of their true nature, and what is really going on in the world, the less power 'they' will have.

This is a huge undertaking, and will take more then us arguing with one another about trivia. There are three aspects going on...spirituality, politics and so called aliens. All of it comes under the heading of 'messing with consciousness'.

I would like to see a committee (I hate committees!) of serious minded people from all walks of life coming together to discuss these three aspects.
My gut feeling is that it will have to get worse before people realise it is too late. I spoke to David Icke one day about waking buddhists up to what is going on, (what a foolish boy I was) they do not want to know!?

You are right, our problem was and is still ego!

Maybe this is not a group endeavour, just a personal journey. We are merely on a beautiful planet where **** happens.

I personally think we can work together, but it will take much psychological understanding of the ordinary human mind to solve this. It is a matter of finding that 'link' or doorway for people to begin to drop the ego and open up their minds to 'real' potential. This goes beyond always turning a topic to one's personal ego manipulations.


So yes, real love is the answer. but real is tough and challenging.


Love,
Tony

[Davidallany]

if the CIA backed folks get in there, it probably will be via sharia law of some sort, it is suspected, and that all the Coptic Christians in Syria would likely be slaughtered. It would make them look innocent in the public eye, and keep the heat on in the area....at the same time they get the strategic ground and oil control that they want. No divining rods or crystal balls over here, it simply smells a bit like the outlined scenario.

There a huge Kurdish population in Syria, whom are very happy to have their own government within a new Syria. Just like what have happened in the new Iraq. The other Kurish population are in Iran and Turkey.

[bram]

Dear Bram,
Unfortunately we seemed to have allowed this through ignorance, but also our intelligence has been deflected. The more people become aware of their true nature, and what is really going on in the world, the less power 'they' will have.

This is a huge undertaking, and will take more then us arguing with one another about trivia. There are three aspects going on...spirituality, politics and so called aliens. All of it comes under the heading of 'messing with consciousness'.

I would like to see a committee (I hate committees!) of serious minded people from all walks of life coming together to discuss these three aspects.
My gut feeling is that it will have to get worse before people realise it is too late. I spoke to David Icke one day about waking buddhists up to what is going on, (what a foolish boy I was) they do not want to know!?

You are right, our problem was and is still ego!

Maybe this is not a group endeavour, just a personal journey. We are merely on a beautiful planet where **** happens.

I personally think we can work together, but it will take much psychological understanding of the ordinary human mind to solve this. It is a matter of finding that 'link' or doorway for people to begin to drop the ego and open up their minds to 'real' potential. This goes beyond always turning a topic to one's personal ego manipulations.


So yes, real love is the answer. but real is tough and challenging.


Love,
Tony

Hi Tony,

Apologies for veering off topic here- I have noticed a strong tendency on this site for folks to divide things into a them and us scenario- we being the innocent victims, and them being our evil rulers, inlcuding alien and reptile variations.

In my mental meanderings I am very drawn to trying to work out how the collective ego works, because it is my view that through the strange things that happen when egos combine (the whole being far greater than the sum of the parts), it is our combined egos that create the Blairs and Bushes of this world. THEREFORE, if we can withdraw our egos from these numerous collectives we participate in, the power of the collective egos is reduced accordingly. That is why I continue to hope that our combined efforts mean something special.

The only problem is, of course, due to the magnetic nature of our egos, they will recombine. Giving us a combined Avalon ego. Diminish, diminish, diminish......

From a buddhist perspective, I guess it doesn't really matter as its all mara. What is is, and couldn't be any different.

More love, bram

[SilentFeathers]

Syria loads chemical weapons into bombs; military awaits Assad's order
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/05/15706380-syria-loads-chemical-weapons-into-bombs-military-awaits-assads-order?lite,

Amazing how US intelligence can know about something like this being done in secret but didn't have a clue about the attack before, during, and after, in Benghazi????????????......and they they still claim they don't have a clue (or the intelligence) concerning the attack in Benghazi almost 3 months later!!!

Sadly 99% of the sheeple people buy into this propaganda and BS rhetoric from these insane psychopaths who are babbling this junk to the mainstream media idiot journalists...

I'm quite fed up with the lies, death, and destruction being caused by these war-mongering psychopathic anti-human pathetic scumbags.

Obviously Assad is about to end up like Qaddafi and Syria will become nothing but a chaotic country full of cut throats ruling it like Libya and Egypt etc....then I'm sure these psychopaths will then head to Iran to pull the same mind games of rhetoric and regime change.

[modwiz]

Syria loads chemical weapons into bombs; military awaits Assad's order
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/05/15706380-syria-loads-chemical-weapons-into-bombs-military-awaits-assads-order?lite,

Obviously Assad is about to end up like Qaddafi and Syria will become nothing but a chaotic country full of cut throats ruling it like Libya and Egypt etc....then I'm sure these psychopaths will then head to Iran to pull the same mind games of rhetoric and regime change.

Only if a programmed populace continues to buy into it. Even dogs get used to not responding to the "fake throw" thing after awhile. Our gene pool needs a good spring cleaning.

[SilentFeathers]

Our gene pool needs a good spring cleaning.

Sadly, that's whats coming.....

[norman]

When the Syrian internet went down, days ago, it was pretty close to a move like this.

If Assad thinks the 'allies' will blink first ( because he's threatening to retaliate with chemical weapons ) I think he'll only see the whites of their eyes instead.

I think it's very likely, if he really has such weapons, that he'll use them. He clearly wiped out the hub of the foreign campaign against him last year, so he's likely to think he can do it again.

It all depends on whether Russia have been bought off and left him on his own this time.


May I recommend a news source that will give a counter balance to the western propaganda we are stuck with here.

It's the world service of the Islamic Republic of Iran Radio ( IRIB English http://english.irib.ir/ ). I listen to it on shortwave, when I can, but all the programming is available from their website to stream. They do an hour long News And Views broadcast that looks at middle east affairs from the very polar opposite to what most of us hear, and I can tell you, I've often been able to make much more sense of things by hearing their focus on what's happening.

[Hervé]

if the CIA backed folks get in there, it probably will be via sharia law of some sort, it is suspected, and that all the Coptic Christians in Syria would likely be slaughtered. It would make them look innocent in the public eye, and keep the heat on in the area....at the same time they get the strategic ground and oil control that they want. No divining rods or crystal balls over here, it simply smells a bit like the outlined scenario.

From the 1935 prophecies of Angelo Roncalli who later became a certain Pope John XXIII:


"You son of Luther, you will not see the end of the destruction. And your successor will commit more crimes than you, if possible. [FDR-Pearl Harbour / Truman-Hiroshima]

The Great Weapon will explode in the Orient, leaving eternal wounds. This loose mark on the flesh of the world will no longer be erased.

The Great Weapon, useless to the war, used for power. To frighten those who do not submit to slavery. But no weapon stops one who has faith.
"Great Flash in the Orient. You will not hear the thunder, it too will be unexpected.

This will happen when in the Orient a leader will die and in the West, a leader will be killed. South of Luther.

Refuse the assassins who will turn themselves in, refuse those who will be presented. The murderers are in Europe. They want the Mediterranean Sea. Then there will be the murder with no assassin.

The time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the red and black cross, unbeknownst to all, daughter of the fugitives from Nuremberg.

She hatched the crime against herself. There are those who renounce life, for the love of evil.See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis&p=523434&viewfull=1#post523434)<--- as to why they would want the Mediterranean...

[ThePythonicCow]

From the 1935 prophecies of Angelo Roncally who later became a certain Pope John XXIII:


"You son of Luther, you will not see the end of the destruction. And your successor will commit more crimes than you, if possible. [Ike-Pearl Harbour / Truman-Hiroshima]
Who ever annotated these Prophecies of John XXIII (http://www.rlcresearch.com/2007/11/16/prophecies-of-john-xxiii/) should probably have written "[FDR-Pearl Harbor / Truman-Hiroshima]", not "[Ike-Pearl Harbour / Truman-Hiroshima]" :)

Ike (Dwight D. Eisenhower) was a mere Brigadier General staff officer of no particular note when the US entered World War II after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. He did not become US President until a decade later.

[Wind]

Same old excuses and lies again. War is only a mere business for them.

G1V7LqNcVNA

[Corncrake]

Bashar al-Assad, Syria, and the truth about chemical weapons
Bashar’s father Hafez al-Assad was brutal but never used chemical arms. And do you know which was the first army to use gas in the Middle East?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/bashar-alassad-syria-and-the-truth-about-chemical-weapons-8393539.html

Robert Fisk has been the Independent's Middle East correspondent for over 30 years - his articles and books are IMHO always worth reading.

[Tony]

Dear Bram,
Unfortunately we seemed to have allowed this through ignorance, but also our intelligence has been deflected. The more people become aware of their true nature, and what is really going on in the world, the less power 'they' will have.

This is a huge undertaking, and will take more then us arguing with one another about trivia. There are three aspects going on...spirituality, politics and so called aliens. All of it comes under the heading of 'messing with consciousness'.

I would like to see a committee (I hate committees!) of serious minded people from all walks of life coming together to discuss these three aspects.
My gut feeling is that it will have to get worse before people realise it is too late. I spoke to David Icke one day about waking buddhists up to what is going on, (what a foolish boy I was) they do not want to know!?

You are right, our problem was and is still ego!

Maybe this is not a group endeavour, just a personal journey. We are merely on a beautiful planet where **** happens.

I personally think we can work together, but it will take much psychological understanding of the ordinary human mind to solve this. It is a matter of finding that 'link' or doorway for people to begin to drop the ego and open up their minds to 'real' potential. This goes beyond always turning a topic to one's personal ego manipulations.


So yes, real love is the answer. but real is tough and challenging.


Love,
Tony

Hi Tony,

Apologies for veering off topic here- I have noticed a strong tendency on this site for folks to divide things into a them and us scenario- we being the innocent victims, and them being our evil rulers, inlcuding alien and reptile variations.

In my mental meanderings I am very drawn to trying to work out how the collective ego works, because it is my view that through the strange things that happen when egos combine (the whole being far greater than the sum of the parts), it is our combined egos that create the Blairs and Bushes of this world. THEREFORE, if we can withdraw our egos from these numerous collectives we participate in, the power of the collective egos is reduced accordingly. That is why I continue to hope that our combined efforts mean something special.

The only problem is, of course, due to the magnetic nature of our egos, they will recombine. Giving us a combined Avalon ego. Diminish, diminish, diminish......

From a buddhist perspective, I guess it doesn't really matter as its all mara. What is is, and couldn't be any different.

More love, bram


Hello Bram,

I missed this - sorry.

You are right, what is...is!
And birds of a feather do flock together.

This reminds me of the story of the man (or women) who wanted to put leather over the whole planet, so the rough stones wouldn't hurt his (or her) bare feet...when all he (or her) ('they' would be better!) had to do was put leather of their own feet.

We are a divided world. Some our only concerned with their bodies, some the mind, some the spirit, some make up rules for all three.

I met a soldier this morning, and we spoke about the wars in the Middle East. He trained locals to be soldiers, but they had a different mind set. If one told them off, they would take it personally, whereas an American or Brit would learn and shrug it off. They have a different view on women.

This world will never be as one, but one can at one with others, in a meeting of minds...for a moment.


Tony

[Tony]

Bashar al-Assad, Syria, and the truth about chemical weapons
Bashar’s father Hafez al-Assad was brutal but never used chemical arms. And do you know which was the first army to use gas in the Middle East?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/bashar-alassad-syria-and-the-truth-about-chemical-weapons-8393539.html

Robert Fisk has been the Independent's Middle East correspondent for over 30 years - his articles and books are IMHO always worth reading.




Hello Corncrake,

Different parts of the world have different mind sets...or their minds have been made that way.
The things that go on just mystify me, so brutal and barbaric.
The way they treat women is horrendous.

Our government on the other hand, sweet talk us with posh voices...and we believe them!

"Called me a mongoose with a passion for cabbages, but they are all bonkers!"



Tony

[bram]

The things that go on just mystify me, so brutal and barbaric.


Hi Tony,

IMO, the great majority of people don't care about the suffering of others. The egoic self relegates all other beiings to the periphery of its self importance; if this egoic self expresses concern, it is for selfish reasons, to establish its identity, and not through any real caring.

Remember when OXFAM had to show pictures of starving babies to get people to donate? Well, even this doesn't work these days. Television has got us tied right down under the control of the collective ego, bombarding us with the righteousness of vengeance.

It seems, and it is borne out by some posts on this site, that as long as you can differentiate between yourself [us] and the people who are suffering this terrible abuse, then you can also separate yourself from sharing their suffering (compassion). But our fight is, as ever, with the ego: we can influence the collective view from within, but not I fear from without.

Bram

[greybeard]

Not saying this is so.
BUT it may be!!!

Karma extends over all previous lifetimes---- If we take what we see as an event isolated to this life situation, then its horrendous.
If we had knowledge of what was done to whom by who in a previous lifetime then it might possibly add up/make sense.
The Mongol hordes slaughtered---they did not take prisoners.
Perhaps in another form/sex/culture the same is now done to them.
We have all been perpetrator and victim of the most vile deeds in pat lives---have we not?

Of course death is not a possibility.

When consciousness rises in the individual it may be seen that getting even just takes you back to another life for the enemy to yet again get even with you and on it goes, unless the individual stops judging. getting even, condemning and starts forgiving, accepting what is (surrender to the will of God)

This may seem of topic but it is the essence of here we go again!!!

Chris

[Tony]

Not saying this is so.
BUT it may be!!!

Karma extends over all previous lifetimes---- If we take what we see as an event isolated to this life situation, then its horrendous.
If we had knowledge of what was done to whom by who in a previous lifetime then it might possibly add up/make sense.
The Mongol hordes slaughtered---they did not take prisoners.
Perhaps in another form/sex/culture the same is now done to them.
We have all been perpetrator and victim of the most vile deeds in pat lives---have we not?

Of course death is not a possibility.

When consciousness rises in the individual it may be seen that getting even just takes you back to another life for the enemy to yet again get even with you and on it goes, unless the individual stops judging. getting even, condemning and starts forgiving, accepting what is (surrender to the will of God)

This may seem of topic but it is the essence of here we go again!!!

Chris





Off topic? Off topic??.............this 'IS" the topic, it is the answer to 'life the universe and everything'!:o

[bram]

Not saying this is so.
BUT it may be!!!

Karma extends over all previous lifetimes---- If we take what we see as an event isolated to this life situation, then its horrendous.
If we had knowledge of what was done to whom by who in a previous lifetime then it might possibly add up/make sense.
The Mongol hordes slaughtered---they did not take prisoners.
Perhaps in another form/sex/culture the same is now done to them.
We have all been perpetrator and victim of the most vile deeds in pat lives---have we not?

Of course death is not a possibility.

When consciousness rises in the individual it may be seen that getting even just takes you back to another life for the enemy to yet again get even with you and on it goes, unless the individual stops judging. getting even, condemning and starts forgiving, accepting what is (surrender to the will of God)

This may seem of topic but it is the essence of here we go again!!!

Chris

As Tony said, Chris, this is absolutely on topic!

When you think of how many lifetimes we have unconsciously worked our way towards this present awakening, then it is not surprising that many of us are carrying a heavy burden of karma.

Even worse is the thought that much of our karma is laying dormant within us, in 'seed' form- unless we are carefully conscious 100% of the time, we will get caught out again and again by this karma. Its a bit like snakes and ladders, you can go all the way back to the start with the last roll of the dice.....:rolleyes:

[bram]

Not saying this is so.
BUT it may be!!!

Karma extends over all previous lifetimes---- If we take what we see as an event isolated to this life situation, then its horrendous.
If we had knowledge of what was done to whom by who in a previous lifetime then it might possibly add up/make sense.
The Mongol hordes slaughtered---they did not take prisoners.
Perhaps in another form/sex/culture the same is now done to them.
We have all been perpetrator and victim of the most vile deeds in pat lives---have we not?

Of course death is not a possibility.

When consciousness rises in the individual it may be seen that getting even just takes you back to another life for the enemy to yet again get even with you and on it goes, unless the individual stops judging. getting even, condemning and starts forgiving, accepting what is (surrender to the will of God)

This may seem of topic but it is the essence of here we go again!!!

Chris

Chris,

Your timely reminder that we are merely witnessing the unfolding of karma for some reason put me in mind of the beautiful zen koan:

''The snow falls, each flake in its appropriate place...."

Our world is they way it is, and it could not be any different, because this present moment is the only one in existence;

Even with what we see on our television screens, our world is a place of infiinite mystery and beauty.

Love, bram

[greybeard]

Not saying this is so.
BUT it may be!!!

Karma extends over all previous lifetimes---- If we take what we see as an event isolated to this life situation, then its horrendous.
If we had knowledge of what was done to whom by who in a previous lifetime then it might possibly add up/make sense.
The Mongol hordes slaughtered---they did not take prisoners.
Perhaps in another form/sex/culture the same is now done to them.
We have all been perpetrator and victim of the most vile deeds in pat lives---have we not?

Of course death is not a possibility.

When consciousness rises in the individual it may be seen that getting even just takes you back to another life for the enemy to yet again get even with you and on it goes, unless the individual stops judging. getting even, condemning and starts forgiving, accepting what is (surrender to the will of God)

This may seem of topic but it is the essence of here we go again!!!

Chris

As Tony said, Chris, this is absolutely on topic!

When you think of how many lifetimes we have unconsciously worked our way towards this present awakening, then it is not surprising that many of us are carrying a heavy burden of karma.

Even worse is the thought that much of our karma is laying dormant within us, in 'seed' form- unless we are carefully conscious 100% of the time, we will get caught out again and again by this karma. Its a bit like snakes and ladders, you can go all the way back to the start with the last roll of the dice.....:rolleyes:

Yes that is sound advice.
Even High Souls like Jesus can face a final temptation.
Ramana said you must be on guard even to the final moment.

Chris

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

Do they think we are totally stupid, this is weapons of mass destruction, all over again!
These people are totally evil, in creating a world of suffering. Day after day we see them turning the screws tighter and tighter...and think we do not notice!

All the heads of state must know what is going on, but fear they will be treated like John Kennedy, so they cannot say too much.


CC0JN-_XZO0

Indeed they must think we are stupid , or is it them who are stupid and without and creativity for their lies ?
I think both , most people believe anything the media tells them blind.

here are a couple of examples from The Past which are indentical situations if you will....

The false Lies about Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG_iKDZoDyc

Then they tried To Threathen Iran in the same way's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXFfhIut2Ho

But now something different this propaganda that they bombard us with is infact controlled opposition , lets look at some pictures that will say a lot.

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/jean_carlos_2004_06_01.jpg

http://www.royaltyinthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/King-Juan-Carlos-Barack-Obama.jpg

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/King-Juan-Carlos-with-Clinton_Davis-Obama_General-James-Jones.png

http://www.thedcpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/King_Abdullah-Obama.jpg

http://www.reformation.org/en-bush-king-abdullah2.jpg

http://www.presidentassad.net/images/Al_Assad_2010_Pictures/Bashar_Al_Assad_King_Abdullah_29_7_2010_3.jpg

Make no mistake they are all friended and serving The papacy !
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Pope-John-Paul-II-with-President-Basha-al-Assad-Damascus-2001.jpg

Now lets see what Craig Oxley has to say about Syria ?
I will use his material because i know he is a good researcher and i haven't done enough research on the subject yet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5RPBrysIxs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNbHxtyb9S4

[Rocky_Shorz]

if the CIA backed folks get in there, it probably will be via sharia law of some sort, it is suspected, and that all the Coptic Christians in Syria would likely be slaughtered. It would make them look innocent in the public eye, and keep the heat on in the area....at the same time they get the strategic ground and oil control that they want. No divining rods or crystal balls over here, it simply smells a bit like the outlined scenario.

There a huge Kurdish population in Syria, whom are very happy to have their own government within a new Syria. Just like what have happened in the new Iraq. The other Kurish population are in Iran and Turkey.

400 UN troops dropped in, Kurds were being attacked by both sides in Syria while Turkey was using al Qaeda mercenaries to attack from behind...

do you think Kurdish Turkey or Kurdish Iran will be next to join?

[Rocky_Shorz]

When the Syrian internet went down, days ago, it was pretty close to a move like this.

If Assad thinks the 'allies' will blink first ( because he's threatening to retaliate with chemical weapons ) I think he'll only see the whites of their eyes instead.

I think it's very likely, if he really has such weapons, that he'll use them. He clearly wiped out the hub of the foreign campaign against him last year, so he's likely to think he can do it again.

It all depends on whether Russia have been bought off and left him on his own this time.


May I recommend a news source that will give a counter balance to the western propaganda we are stuck with here.

It's the world service of the Islamic Republic of Iran Radio ( IRIB English http://english.irib.ir/ ). I listen to it on shortwave, when I can, but all the programming is available from their website to stream. They do an hour long News And Views broadcast that looks at middle east affairs from the very polar opposite to what most of us hear, and I can tell you, I've often been able to make much more sense of things by hearing their focus on what's happening.

Assad was allowed Chemical weapons because their neighbor #Israel has nukes...


al Qaeda is there to gather as many of these weapons as possible when Assad falls.


these are real, he has Syria's stockpile along with Iraq's


I'd like confirmation, Assad handed a location map to Russia and they are going in on recovery.

[Wind]

qM9wuSMMV7g

[Simonm]

Mainstream media jumping all over this now.

Here is the news:
Bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks ****. Now heres' bill with the weather!

[RMorgan]

I just wonder what the USA would do if all other countries decided to attack it; You know, the USA has more "weapons of mass destruction" than all other countries combined.

If the US uses this excuse all the time to attack other countries, it could very well be used against it eventually.

Oh...I hate hypocrisy. :doh:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Copied from http://www.jsmineset.com/


DEBKAfile Special Report December 22, 2012, 2:48 PM (GMT+02:00)

Russia’s airborne special forces

The chemical warfare threat looming over Syria’s civil war and its neighbors has taken an epic turn with the announcement by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov Saturday, Dec. 22, that “the Syrian government has “consolidated its chemical weapons in one or two locations amid a rebel onslaught and they are under control for the time being.”
He added that Russia, “which has military advisers training Syria’s military, has kept close watch over its chemical arsenal.”
debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report: The Russian foreign minister’s statement was a message to Washington that the transfer of Syria’s weapons of mass destruction to one or two protected sites was under Russian control. This had removed the danger of them falling into the hands of the al Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra ,which had come ominously close Friday, Dec. 21, when the Islamists spearheaded a Syrian rebel assault for the capture of the al-Safira military complex and Bashar Assad’s chemical and biological stores.

Lavrov did not go into detail about how this arsenal was removed and to which locations. But his reference to “Russian military advisers training Syria’s military” clearly indicated that Russian forces were directly involved in removing the WMD out of the reach of the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists.
His assertion that they were “under control” indicated that Russia was also involved in safeguarding them.
debkafile’s Moscow sources add: Russia’s military intervention in the Syrian civil war achieved four objectives:

1. The prevention of Western or Israel military action for seizing control of Syria’s chemical and biological weapons arsenals;
2. The prevention of Western military intervention in the civil war behind the forces dedicated to the removal of Bashar Assad. The Russian military is now engaged in the dual mission of guarding his WMD arsenal and his regime;
3. The Russian military presence in Syria delivers a heavy swipe to the rebels;
4. Russia’s intervention and military presence have laid the groundwork for Moscow and Washington to work out an accord that will bring Syria’s civil war to an end.

More… (http://www.debka.com/article/22627/Russian-forces-take-Syrian-chemical-biological-weapons-under-control)

[Tesseract]

More evidence that Rebels have used chemical weapons:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-10/russia-says-it-has-evidence-syrian-rebels-used-sarin-gas/4810508


Russia says it has obtained scientific evidence that indicates Syrian rebels used chemical weapons in a deadly attack in March.

Moscow's United Nations envoy Vitaly Churkin says Russian experts were let into Syria to examine the site of the attack near Aleppo.

He says the inquiry has established that the rebels fired a missile containing the nerve agent sarin at the town of Khan al-Assal.

The attack killed 26 people including 16 regime troops.

"The results of the analysis clearly indicate that the ordnance used in Khan al-Assal was not industrially manufactured and was filled with sarin," Mr Churkin said.

[MadMax1]

I suggest we all watch this video it gives an insite of hat is going on on the ground in Syria then you will see why their are so many people fleeing the country, i have not seen this video on the forum yet so hopefully people will take notice.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msA35ATXol8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUhwwoeOZ3EJPobW83dgQfAg