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TargeT
6th December 2012, 20:14
I seem to have less free time on my hands these days & cannot put the research into this topic like I would like to, but I figure If I've had this thought perhaps others have as well.

possibly the most direct example of this idea is the movie "Ahh!Zombies!!" (aka Wasting Away)

In this Zomedy (Yes, Zombie Comedy is a real genre) the movie changes the focus from the humans to the zombies point of view. As they see it, the 'normal' humans are infected with some strange disease. It makes them move really fast, speak in an incomprehensible series of burbling blips and bleeps and react violently; attacking normal people or attempting to flee in sheer terror - Very odd behavior indeed. The movie uses monochrome/black and white to let you know when the movie is being seen through the eyes of the 'infected' humans, while the 'normal' humans (the zombies) see in color. While this group of humans struggles to come to grasps with this new reality, they're engaged in a quest to escape the infected and find a new home for others like themselves.
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My main ideas are this:

Aside from the above example (which is an interesting twist, from the zombie point of view the the regular humans aka “elites” seem to act differently than them in confusing & sometimes violent ways)

Zombie movies generally have a few key components:

Small group of people that KNOW they are vastly more intelligent and capable than the zombies, aka “shambling masses” (I’ll refer to them as “elites”)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-spRt20HFyGM/TZLWeQeWGZI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/Z-_imRxZ4zw/s1600/zombies.jpg

Elites have no problem killing the shambling masses, but do not often go out of their way to do so for fear of provoking the “mob”; they usually prefer to remain hidden in strong holds with amassed supplies (resources).

Elites often manipulate zombie’s movement, or use them in “clever” ways such as: weapons against other elites, or “guard forces” (sort of like a living moat/buffer).

Elites always hoard resources & often fight with other elites, but will always choose an elite over a zombie (no question, ever).

Elites are always the hero & often evoke sympathy emotions and get the viewer to “cheer” for them.

Now I think the most important “tell” in movies is the use of symbology; the All seeing eye, pyramids, upside down pentagrams etc… I have not reviewed movies for this, though when I get some spare time I will do my best to see what I can find. (I refer to http://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/ and its documentaries for excellent examples of movie symbolism, common story lines & hidden messages)


Things like this mean something, symbols are very powerful
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the single eye is an often used symbol, it can be seen frequently in the music industry
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xcETKaUQDck/T0vqKeFr0wI/AAAAAAAAAZY/5gDJK_M1Jyc/s640/6304435096.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

It seems that the left eye being covered, or hidden is the most common way, though the right eye is sometimes covered as well, I'm not sure if this has any significance.

example:
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http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/phone15.jpg


But I'd like to focus on zombie movies.. the music industry is "too easy" to find such symbols (for more on this you can refer to http://theindustryexposed.com/ )

Anyway, I just wanted to get this put "on paper", this thought came to me this morning around 430 am when I woke for ( my seemingly daily now) a period of insomnia.


if anyone has thoughts or items to add please do so!

johnf
6th December 2012, 20:28
It is an interesting archetype to kick around. Some of the ideas I have gotten on this are mass fear of the population healing.
Projection from the viewpoint of the elite that one day we will come to get them, in combo with the fear of the masses that there will be no one to lead them.
I recently saw a clip for warm bodies, where a zombie falls in love with a regular girl, and it starts to cure him, a zombie apocalypse,romantic comedy! So the meme is evolving as we speak!
John

soleil
6th December 2012, 20:44
they probably are...and it just propelled from there with mainstream (sheeple) enjoyment.

TargeT
6th December 2012, 20:48
they probably are...and it just propelled from there with mainstream (sheeple) enjoyment.


well zombies are portrayed as powerful (mostly via numbers alone), but ultimately aimless wondering masses, "losers", cannon fodder, nothing to REALLY be worried about as long as you "keep an eye" on them; if this is predictive programming (something that is done ALL the time) then I wonder what the intended event is we are being prepared for... possible uprising?

WanderingRogue
6th December 2012, 21:27
Here's my ramble:

I think It does perpetuate "an us vs them" mentality...maybe even an "Intelligent people vs the Unintelligent people"...or maybe, "Those who have knowledge vs Those who do not"...I'm thinking this because zombies always want to eat brains. Brains=Knowledge...In a way you could say they might represent people who go through their lives with no direction, ambition or purpose and simply live parasitically off of others...They are able to raise from the dead and are nearly impossible to kill, unless you dismember them (chainsaws seem to work great) which gives them that parasitic, infectious disease that needs to be killed feeling. But then, maybe they represent how less fortunate people feel they are viewed by the world of the elite, they may feel like they are seen as mindless, disgusting, pesky, less than human creatures and that the elite fear them because they do not want to become like them...yet because the zombies were once human as the Elite are, the Elite can see themselves reflected within the grotesqueness.

I'm sure it is would be much easier to destroy, manipulate, manage, control something that has a resemblance of humanity that to destroy something that IS human. So, maybe this is a way to set us up to eventually accept a splitting of the human race into Human VS Subhuman groups.

Carmody
6th December 2012, 21:46
Brains are eaten in order to pick up the experiences and memories of the person who has died. New Guinea tribal ceremonies of yore, regarding cannibalism, IIRC.

Rahkyt
6th December 2012, 22:36
The recent episodes of the AMC series "The Walking Dead" have taken up this theme with the main group finding a community that has walled up a town to remain safe. The, General, the leader of the town invoked the survival of the fittest and creating a new world amidst the carnage of the Zombie Apocalypse. Theyve even gone so far as to experiment on the Zombies and people who die, as they change state in order to determine their cognitive faculties. They also use the Zombies as arena/canival fodder for their entertainment as well. That show is interesting in how it shows the ruthlessness necessary for the survivors to have lived for so long. Also how these new elites now have new moral norms because of the atrocities they have to commit daily just to make it to the next day. Comparing them to the current elite is valid, I think.

Wookie
7th December 2012, 00:06
I have been working at an RCMP station the last couple of days and a good number of the cruisers and personal cars have and interesting sticker on them.

"ZOMBIE RESPONSE VEHICLE"

http://zombieresponseteam.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Hood-Lettering.jpg

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

TargeT
7th December 2012, 00:55
My truck is a registered Fleet vehicle for ZS (Zombie Squad http://zombiehunters.org/ )


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/photo-7.png


I even field test it from time to time..... (haha)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/PI6BDD.mp4


the ZS (zombie squad) is a charity / disaster prep organization (I'm the V.P. of the Alaskan Chapter; we have a meeting to night even.. ;) ), I think ZRT (http://zombieresponseteam.net/) is similar, but I'm not affiliated so I am unsure.

how this relates to the thread I'm not sure, perhaps we are emulating that which we have been shown to be superior (humans able to survive zombies?) or maybe its just good common sense with a fun theme... the human psyche is very complex

Wookie
7th December 2012, 01:56
I guess my mind made a few leaps, :)
RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) My Grandfather was one, are the main law enforcement in Canada. Some areas have a local police force BUT the RCMP are everywhere. How often are police officers in Zombie movies the "elite" as per the topic of this thread. So without dragging the RCMP threw the mud, to have the "law enforcement" in Canada drive ZOMBIE RESPONSE VEHICLES. How much more in your face can it get. The rabble, mouth breathers useless eaters, sheeple, and now zombies, all nick names for masses of people that are not the "elite". Im listening to infowars atm and the caller was just talking about being a zombie before listening to Alex Jones show lol. Alex himself has been using zombies as a metaphor for the brainwashed GMO altered masses that are indeed going quietly into that good night. Just encase that was sneaky, i will share a poem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MyosFiZQP8

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

bram
7th December 2012, 02:18
Zombie movies are just an excuse to program the people with mindless extreme violence and cruelty. They are very, very bad for you to watch, the violence will disturb you at a deep level and you will have to work hard to regain your equilibrium. Same is true for much of the tv 'entertainment' available these days.

Mulder
21st December 2012, 19:53
I agree Zombies are a great analogy to the sheeple and the elite are the Zombie-hunters! However, when we look at things like chemicals in the food, chemtrails, deliberate educational dumbing-down... I think the Zombies are liturally being created. N.B. Simultanious with the 1918 Spanish Flu, there were people who were Zombie-like: they were bed-ridden with terrible facial expressions - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalitis_lethargica

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Regarding covering the left eye: it's not a new trend, but a long-time illumunati symbol e.g. Aldious Huxley:

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Grumpy Cat
21st December 2012, 20:12
I believe so.

It is blatantly obvious in Shaun of the Dead as once the team learns to "act like a zombie", they can get past the horde of zombies to the pub with no problem at all. It's only when they start getting hysterical (or vocal!) that the zombies take notice and converge on them.

It's the same in the real world- if we, being the vocal minority are too "out there" we get suppressed. It has in fact happened to me on numerous occasions when the state psychiatry service (part of the elite) got wind of my "beliefs" and labelled me unwell. Now, I just fly under the radar in plain sight of them. Because I've learnt to act like a zombie when necessary.

I consider it the duality of life. To get anywhere in this money-driven world we become sheep unless in the media industry, but it is when talking with like-minds that we are set free with love or whatever you wish to call it.

TargeT
22nd December 2012, 02:33
I believe so.

It is blatantly obvious in Shaun of the Dead as once the team learns to "act like a zombie", they can get past the horde of zombies to the pub with no problem at all. It's only when they start getting hysterical (or vocal!) that the zombies take notice and converge on them.

It's the same in the real world- if we, being the vocal minority are too "out there" we get suppressed. It has in fact happened to me on numerous occasions when the state psychiatry service (part of the elite) got wind of my "beliefs" and labelled me unwell. Now, I just fly under the radar in plain sight of them. Because I've learnt to act like a zombie when necessary.

I consider it the duality of life. To get anywhere in this money-driven world we become sheep unless in the media industry, but it is when talking with like-minds that we are set free with love or whatever you wish to call it.

yeah, I've noticed this about myself as well, I have many "masks" as I call them, one for work, one for a certain group of friends, I'd say I mostly relax and drop my "masks" when online, as the anonimity enables a certain amount of freedom from long term judgements (which some people seem to take as license to be complete asshats, haha).

the various degrees of "me" ("us" I assume, as I think this is a typical behavior) are an interesting topic.

Mulder
22nd December 2012, 05:29
I believe so.

It is blatantly obvious in Shaun of the Dead as once the team learns to "act like a zombie", they can get past the horde of zombies to the pub with no problem at all. It's only when they start getting hysterical (or vocal!) that the zombies take notice and converge on them.

It's the same in the real world- if we, being the vocal minority are too "out there" we get suppressed. It has in fact happened to me on numerous occasions when the state psychiatry service (part of the elite) got wind of my "beliefs" and labelled me unwell. Now, I just fly under the radar in plain sight of them. Because I've learnt to act like a zombie when necessary.

I consider it the duality of life. To get anywhere in this money-driven world we become sheep unless in the media industry, but it is when talking with like-minds that we are set free with love or whatever you wish to call it.

Can you imagine what the State Psychiatric Service would do with us avolianians? We would ALL be labelled with a different Mental Disorder, and on a myriad of drugs/blood tests and have home visits from nurses! My favourite Psychiatric study is tghe "Rosenham's Pseudo-Patient Study (1973)" where actual Doctors were admitted to different hospitals and whatever they did (mainly write notes) was considered a "symptom!" These doctors only reported hearing "thuds" (auditory hallucinations). Can you imagine what would happen to us if we started talking about how the Moon Landing was faked, that Paul McCartney, Pope Paul IV and Sister Lucia were swapped with a doubles/replacements!....
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