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The23rdman
12th December 2012, 11:34
I wasn't expecting a subject like this to be my first thread, but I felt moved to share a little video from the RSA on honesty/dishonesty. This video clearly shows that throwing the bankers responsible for the collapse to the dogs will do nothing positive at all because only a system change can be effective.

Enjoy and discuss. :)

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CD7
12th December 2012, 13:03
No banking system WhAtSOever needs to take place

The23rdman
12th December 2012, 13:22
So what do you propose?

markpierre
12th December 2012, 13:48
Golden rule: Love others as you would love yourself. Yes it's also stating that you have to love yourself too unfortunately. Otherwise the formula doesn't work.

But yes you feel it when it's working.

Silver rule: Every teeny tiny little lie makes you a liar. Mmmm boy. That means every single day. Or the formula doesn't work,

The key to Heaven.

So that means, if I hate myself, then I can do and say anything I want. I can do that, then act nice.

All that other stuff is too hard.

The23rdman
12th December 2012, 13:50
I like it Mark. As ACIM says, the truth is true and nothing else is true.

Paul
12th December 2012, 14:01
No banking system WhAtSOever needs to take place

There are fragments of what is the current banking system that have value for civilization. These fragments should be provided by various separate means, so that no one of them serves as a substantial basis of power, and so that no financially inter-dependent combination of them can be formed.

These fragments include:

payment systems (such as checks, debit and credit cards and letters of credit) and the attendant "checking" and other demand deposit accounts
issuance of currency,
extension of credit,
hedging of commodities futures,
issuance of insurance, and
stock exchange markets.

The currencies should be issued by governments, not lent to the governments for interest.

The US Federal Reserve banking system, and similar banking institutions in other countries should be abolished.

The US Federal Income Tax (instituted to fund payments of interest on government debt to the banks) should be abolished.

Businesses providing third party payment systems (such as checks and credit cards) should be highly restricted as to what they can do with the deposits they hold.

CD7
12th December 2012, 16:49
So what do you propose?

EVERYTHING on gods green globe be FREE as was intended....ALL resourses are to b FREE.....No Middlemen (money...paper...shells...string...metal) was ever needed to get between you..me and a fruitful Tree

The23rdman
12th December 2012, 16:56
Whilst that is true it is not going to happen is it? In the meantime we need to develop a system that does work.

SnowyOwl
12th December 2012, 17:02
But.. but... the lease to the us federal reserve bank ends on december 21st 2012 in conformity with the 99 years lease done in 1913. Did they renew the Lease ???<

Snowy

CD7
12th December 2012, 17:06
No banking system WhAtSOever needs to take place

There are fragments of what is the current banking system that have value for civilization. These fragments should be provided by various separate means, so that no one of them serves as a substantial basis of power, and so that no financially inter-dependent combination of them can be formed.

These fragments include:

payment systems (such as checks, debit and credit cards and letters of credit) and the attendant "checking" and other demand deposit accounts
issuance of currency,
extension of credit,
hedging of commodities futures,
issuance of insurance, and
stock exchange markets.

The currencies should be issued by governments, not lent to the governments for interest.

The US Federal Reserve banking system, and similar banking institutions in other countries should be abolished.

The US Federal Income Tax (instituted to fund payments of interest on government debt to the banks) should be abolished.

Businesses providing third party payment systems (such as checks and credit cards) should be highly restricted as to what they can do with the deposits they hold.

I couldn't Disagree more....I think were so conditioned to think we cannot live without a money system tht it becomes difficult to invision anything else. The complexity of it all is just an illusion...our physical needs are more simplistic then we've been bred to think...in western societies for the most part...I'm sure there r humans on this globe who view it differently as there conditioning was not so filled with convoluted trappings...tht in reality have no real bearing on our True life.

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Whilst that is true it is not going to happen is it? In the meantime we need to develop a system that does work.

Well one ever knows if this is going to happen do they?

Hervé
12th December 2012, 17:37
But.. but... the lease to the us federal reserve bank ends on december 21st 2012 in conformity with the 99 years lease done in 1913. Did they renew the Lease ???<

Snowy

I used to believe that too but, actually, it's pure urban legend:





How about we only post known facts on this thread?
There is no Fed "contract" and it will not expire in 2013! Please...
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All right, then, what's your "known facts," credible source, etc... on that one?

All right, I'll help you... your answer is here: http://fauxcapitalist.com/2012/04/21/the-federal-reserves-non-existent-99-year-charter-set-to-expire-in-2012/



According to Section 4, part 2 of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913, it says of each of the 12 privately owned Federal Reserve Banks:
“To have succession for a period of twenty years from its organization unless it is sooner dissolved by an Act of Congress, or unless its franchise becomes forfeited by some violation of law.“
Since the Federal Reserve Board’s site (http://federalreserve.gov/) shows that all 12 original Federal Reserve Banks are still in operation, their 20-year charter must have been extended.
A 20-year charter was also granted to the First and Second Banks of the United States, and both had their charter terminated. Yes, there was a time when privately owned central banks had time-limited charters, and for good reason, due to the havoc they caused.
12 U.S.C. § 341 : US Code – Section 341 (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/12/3/IX/341): General enumeration of powers shows:
“Second. To have succession after February 25, 1927, until dissolved by Act of Congress or until forfeiture of franchise for violation of law.“
Again, since the Federal Reserve Board’s site shows that shows that all 12 original Federal Reserve Banks are still in operation, this provision was either changed with some other time limit, or was never changed.
In fact, it was never changed, and, therefore, their charter doesn’t expire in 2012, and there was never a 99-year charter for the Federal Reserve.

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Therefore the strategy of going after the 12 banks simultaneously since Congress won't lift a finger or an eyebrow....

GrnEggsNHam
12th December 2012, 18:17
No banking system WhAtSOever needs to take place

There are fragments of what is the current banking system that have value for civilization. These fragments should be provided by various separate means, so that no one of them serves as a substantial basis of power, and so that no financially inter-dependent combination of them can be formed.

These fragments include:

payment systems (such as checks, debit and credit cards and letters of credit) and the attendant "checking" and other demand deposit accounts
issuance of currency,
extension of credit,
hedging of commodities futures,
issuance of insurance, and
stock exchange markets.

The currencies should be issued by governments, not lent to the governments for interest.

The US Federal Reserve banking system, and similar banking institutions in other countries should be abolished.

The US Federal Income Tax (instituted to fund payments of interest on government debt to the banks) should be abolished.

Businesses providing third party payment systems (such as checks and credit cards) should be highly restricted as to what they can do with the deposits they hold.

Payment - is something that needs to be revised

This whole system of monetary value puts an unnecessary burden on society. This is how the people are divided whether we see it or not. As long as there remains payment there will be those who have and those who don't have.

If you play the game it can be fruitful indeed but at the expense of your fellow human beings. In turn this is destroying Gaia as certain humans are greedy and are not satisfied with what they have. They see the divide and think they are part of the "Have Nots" and attempt to change this status. They ponder on new ways to exploit the Earth if they cannot exploit their fellow man any longer or perhaps they scheme to do both.

Monetary value can be abolished. It is indeed a simple concept and one we must evolve beyond. Our society has been structured on this concept. Many will ask "What do we do then?". The answer is simple just as the concept of payment is simple. Do what is best for Gaia. Right now society teaches to do whats best for ones self. This is ingrained in the monetary culture and is the bane of our current existence.

Gaia does not accept monetary payments and therefore money is not necessary for our species. We need only to exert ourselves in ways that give back to the Earth. We humans created this paradigm and we are the ones who must change it.

What replaces currency? Respect and fortitude. A person working for the good of the community will be raised up in said community. If a person can't give back to the community they live in then they will be sequestered from said community. However everyone has something to give and even an infant can bring joy and happiness to many. Just as an elderly person brings wisdom and insight from their many years passed on this Earth.

I have great respect for my fellow human beings but, many still do not see the divide which "money" creates within our culture. I must admit that I myself play into this game. As it was the way I grew up and understood survival. However after some years I have realized this game is not one any of us can win. We play at our own detriment and to the degradation of Earth and all of us residing upon it.

Chris Gilbert
12th December 2012, 18:26
Serious overhaul of the international banking cartel is one of the absolute necessities if we hope to see positive changes. Other future goals, like an end to environmental devastation, will be unreachable so long as the financial sector wields its current influence.

The23rdman
12th December 2012, 18:53
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Whilst that is true it is not going to happen is it? In the meantime we need to develop a system that does work.

Well one ever knows if this is going to happen do they?

I'm only really interested in what is likely to happen in the near future considering our current evolutionary position. By that I mean that we are a young species that still experiences reality as duality.

I suspect a more resource/skill based system might be the future. This is an interesting video.

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GK76
12th December 2012, 18:55
Money is part of the slave system.
When you are born you are registered into the system (birth certificate). Education begins.
When you reach the correct age you are given a National Insurance/Social Security number. Talented slaves get more education.
By now you are 'educated' and ready to join the ranks of the slave system.
If you break the rules the legal system (which only operates within the slave system) will punish you.
These days they have an abundance of slaves and are looking to cull the numbers.

TPTB don't care about money it is just a tool to keep you from knowing the big picture. Like education and entertainment it's just one of the programmes to keep your focus on the wrong things.

Money is not the root of all evil, ignorance is.

As with everything in life, intention is the key - money can be used for good purposes within a healthy system, it's just very unlikely to ever happen when controlled by those within the slave system, or by the slave masters themselves. As I've always said... humanity is the broken part of the puzzle. Whether the 21/12/12 consciousness raise thing is real or not (I'm guessing it's just another programme), we very much need it to happen.

markpierre
12th December 2012, 20:12
Imagine an economic system based on the value of integrity.

GrnEggsNHam
12th December 2012, 20:18
Imagine an economic system based on the value of integrity.
Whuffie! It was a rather fun and imaginative read I must say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_the_Magic_Kingdom

soleil
12th December 2012, 21:57
i like what paul suggested...

i also like the barter system...but that would be for upstanding people who WILL barter...and not be robbed instead. :boom:

SnowyOwl
13th December 2012, 00:30
In all ''Religion enshrining Fairness' Interest is prohibited since mathematically usurary is slow enslavement.

cf:
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modwiz
13th December 2012, 03:06
Money is not the root of all evil, ignorance is.



The saying is: Love of money is the root of all evil. The correct statement is very true and points out where the problem with money lies. Love of it. This love leads to all of the manipulative and psychotic behaviors with it.

As for ignorance, see my signatures. Ignorance is the biggest problem.

gripreaper
13th December 2012, 03:29
I say, loosen the stranglehold the oil and electric cartels have on the world by releasing the most advanced technology hidden in secret, and then most of the other problems will go away.

Currency is just a measuring device for value, which is an archetype for "ENERGY" Energy is abundant in the matrix, and once we learn how to tap into the matrix of all energy, the paradigm of scarcity and the need to measure finite resources disappears.

So, the quickest way to a paradigm shift is to go get the banksters, stuff them into their spaceships and send them back to where they came from, release the free energy, and watch the magic happen.

Paul
13th December 2012, 03:49
No banking system WhAtSOever needs to take place

There are fragments of what is the current banking system that have value for civilization. These fragments should be provided by various separate means, so that no one of them serves as a substantial basis of power, and so that no financially inter-dependent combination of them can be formed.

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I couldn't Disagree more....I think were so conditioned to think we cannot live without a money system tht it becomes difficult to invision anything else. The complexity of it all is just an illusion...our physical needs are more simplistic then we've been bred to think...in western societies for the most part...I'm sure there r humans on this globe who view it differently as there conditioning was not so filled with convoluted trappings...tht in reality have no real bearing on our True life.
Sometimes I'm glad I posted something because I think it was good.

Sometimes I'm glad I posted something because it catalyzed some far better rebuttals.

:)

apokalypse
13th December 2012, 04:48
have the banking system own by the Public, once we got it correctly then get rid of Money/Value System for good...doesn't matter what kind of system you have in place when you put an value to it then things still the same.

best system is no Money or no Value...transition from Money to nothing, not from Money paper to Gold or Barter when these system still have values. Utopia society is what we talking about and should be focus on to get there.

some people called nationalize is socialism but isn't Andromeda or Pleiades have same kind of system what people call socialism? role of government in their world is provide everything for the people and represent the people but on planet earth is opposite against so call socialism. hooray for privates and privatization...government too dangerous so privatize everything.

system is not the issue but the issue is the people...what we afraid with New World Order is these guys up the top but not the system. Human on planet earth need to be change and to be fix first before even considering any system.

most important thing is human need to step up and get rid of controllers, establish new new Education system, fix up religion...ect.

nothing will happen overnight but go step by step. from Alex Collier lecture (alex-collier-at-global-sciences-18th-march-2002/), he said It took Procyons race approximately one hundred and thirty four years. That is how long it took to undo what had been done to them, two whole generations. Here on Earth it would be three or four generations.

Demeisen
13th December 2012, 09:23
Any system that enables forming of control pyramid will not do any good. Capitalism is based on control pyramid. One of the cornerstones which enables it to work is inequality. Wealth (=power) flows from bottom to top. Poor will stay poor, rich will get richer (more powerful). That's how it was created to work. Imagine all the commodities around you. Food, clothes, cars, houses, electricity... they are offered to you only because they who offer them want to get higher position on the pyramid.
If everyone were equally wealthy, capitalism couldn't work. If there is nothing to gain, why bother?
IMO, it would require quite profound change of awareness to make any wealth based system work. And when that awareness comes, it would be certainly noticed that any of such system is not even needed in the first place.

apokalypse
13th December 2012, 12:00
i talk to few people and my family what other contactee said about in other civilization life especially with Alex Collier which i know very well and they call me Socialist/socialism...one of my family member telling an story about farming under socialism, when the bell rings after work everyone stop working even tho they half way finish because everyone get the same paid so why in the world you spend extra effort to finish the job while you get same pay or didn't gain anything more.


in transition to the goal you could have mixture, but the owner is the public not privates....you work for yourself and other people. they saying people must work make contribute to society but in reality these ant workers being a slave for controllers/elites/corporations and keep the slave system going.

we need to get rid of bad guys before considering any new system...we need our system not controller systems