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East Sun
9th September 2010, 00:09
If one day we turn on our computers and find we have no way of using the Internet, what can we do? Today I lost half my desktop and all my hundred Bookmarks ( it might be temporary) and had to circumvent the usual process to get in here.
I was able to get in but what if we were suddenly stopped. I have heard about a process under way to regulate the Internet.
Is it possible to develop a way in which we could still communicate, just in case this is down the line?

Moemers
9th September 2010, 01:06
Short of a giant mailing list and daily meetings on the astral plane, I think you'd be screwed.

Arpheus
9th September 2010, 02:42
The day the grid goes down we will be truly free my friend,if the net goes down then you will know that day has arrived,that would be good news not bad !!:becky:

East Sun
9th September 2010, 03:04
The day the grid goes down we will be truly free my friend,if the net goes down then you will know that day has arrived,that would be good news not bad !!:becky:

How say you that, friend? We would be isolated--At the mercy of the media which is as we know controlled and not to be trusted.

bluestflame
9th September 2010, 03:10
if the net and the grid went down the only media we'd have is newspapers printed by hand on paper milled by hand , using ink processed by hand ...getting the picture ?

East Sun
9th September 2010, 11:47
I'm referring to the Internet being 'taken' suddenly or controlled by new restrictions/laws. TV would be the same which is not much help. Same with newspapers.

wynderer
9th September 2010, 12:08
a bit of synchronicity here, maybe -- i've been thinking a lot in the last few days about how -- un-natural, i guess is the word -- all the time i spend on this forum, as i have done on previous forums -- readin/listening to & expressing myself to names in cyberspace i most likely will never meet in the flesh

but then i think of times in the past when i've made the effort to spend most of my time w/flesh & blood people -- a way of honoring the human experience, & opposing the NWO, who work to keep us all more & more isolated from each other [sitting in cars or in front of TV or computer screens]-- but when i do, i get frustrated because to talk w/most people, i have to chat about food, meds, cars, TV, their problems w/their mates & children, etc

i'm of the thinking that major Earth changes will be changing everything on Earth soon, including knocking out the net along w/most other techno stuff -- i guess maybe we should be grateful we have this means of info exchange & a way to meet kindred spirits, as here on PA, right now, & just deal w/whatever comes when it happens

i'm interested to hear what other PA members think

[edit for PS] i may have to get off the net, except for limited use at the Library, due to finances , so this is leading to a lot of thought re the importance of the net in my life

Luke
9th September 2010, 13:11
Whie I do not believe that there would be all- encompassing grid-down event, we would be dealing with local outages and firewalling, not to mention constant snooping around. Contacting via network on sites like this already puts you on watchlist, though no regime really needs to take care about everybody, they gather this knowledge to use it against you IF you'd become crucial person. Mind that. Vices are tolerated on purpose, as long as they strengthen the system. Laws are made for you to break. You cannot rule innocent people! Again, all that is by design.

The situation, especially socio-economical one would be deteriorating. "Zombie apocalypse" will be unlikely event, we would rather deal with prolonged slump, towards neo-feudalism, if PTB's will have their way. It will not be happening overnight. Timeline is anything from 5 years to 300. As it was said here many times over- timeline is not "cycle" driven but event driven.

I encourage studying real-life slump situation, like currently undergoing in Argentina and many other countries, there are great parallels with situation during Fall of Rome. Personally, I find FerFAL's blog (http://ferfal.blogspot.com/) worthy of reading, though it's not for those in rose-tinted glasses.

Way I see it, we would be dealing with media-engineered class-wars soon, where "top players" would be using lower income/govt dependent people to crush what is left from productive middle class. There would be great breakthroughs in entertainment, while personal freedom will be shot, and gap between ruled and rulers widened. In this situation PTB's identify grassroots movements as those needed to be exploited. There would be time for "peoples tribune" - types, which would lead the poor, while being cozy with top players, against any group that would be in opposition. In Europe such movements are driven against Roms and Muslims, but those are only targets of opportunity, carefully placed where they will seed unrest. In order to do that mainstream media need to present specially engineered stories- in television AND on main/popular portals. There would be clampdown on "truth" sites, but under the guise of fighting "child pornography" or "illegal hazard".

In times like these, we need to plan accordingly. As for forums like this, every single node is easy to target, you need duplicate, triplicate, quadruplicate information, prepare places where it could be stored. Only place knowledge is relatively safe is in your mind! Understanding information and training memory/mental faculties always pays off. Relying on physical aids or physical information mediums is not good idea. Books can be burned and banned, ideas stay. Plus information weights nothing. Bug-out-Bag is nice touch, but no shiny tool will replace knowledge and skills gained.

In times of such confusion, knowing people in your community is must. Job opportunities, street knowledge, these are all important, and will be more. People from "outside" are always first targets of the mobs, especially if such outsiders have traits of "minority" currently targeted in media campaign. Also, living alone on farm in wilderness, it makes you a target too. Call it "keeping in touch with spirit of the mob" or something.

As for communication during occupation-like event, see "Handbook for new Paradigm". the 5-based personal information network is incredibly good design! True information would be king, not to mention operating systems similar to "Hawala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala)" to support friends/associates in the fix. Overall, be ready to think outside current economic box.
Now, gold and silver problem- remember everything is worth as much as others are willing to offer from it. There are people who know value of precious metals, but those are few. In slump situation, people are more likely to turn to those currencies that will fall slower, and these would change, on design. People know "value" of paper more than silver or gold now. In many a situation, bottle of whisky could be more useful than kruggerand. On the long run, gold might be king, but first you need to get there.. and great many gamechanging events might take place, making our current bets irrelevant.

Ideally, being able to lead people in such situation would be great, but such people would be likely targets. Better learn how to influence people staying in shadows. Learn how people think, how to communicate with them. Sometimes all you need to do is phrase word other way. Always build on pre-existing beliefs of the people - worldview-shattering "revelations" are not the best way.

Watch out for conversion tactics used. In times of trouble, preachers emerge in force. PTB's have not missed that spot too. Watch for both religious and social-organizer types.

But first and foremost: open your eyes and think. use Four Laws to your advantage. Communicate.

wynderer
9th September 2010, 13:34
Whie I do not believe that there would be all- encompassing grid-down event, we would be dealing with local outages and firewalling, not to mention constant snooping around. Contacting via network on sites like this already puts you on watchlist, though no regime really needs to take care about everybody, they gather this knowledge to use it against you IF you'd become crucial person. Mind that. Vices are tolerated on purpose, as long as they strengthen the system. Laws are made for you to break. You cannot rule innocent people! Again, all that is by design.

The situation, especially socio-economical one would be deteriorating. "Zombie apocalypse" will be unlikely event, we would rather deal with prolonged slump, towards neo-feudalism, if PTB's will have their way. It will not be happening overnight. Timeline is anything from 5 years to 300. As it was said here many times over- timeline is not "cycle" driven but event driven.

I encourage studying real-life slump situation, like currently undergoing in Argentina and many other countries, there are great parallels with situation during Fall of Rome. Personally, I find FerFAL's blog (http://ferfal.blogspot.com/) worthy of reading, though it's not for those in rose-tinted glasses.

Way I see it, we would be dealing with media-engineered class-wars soon, where "top players" would be using lower income/govt dependent people to crush what is left from productive middle class. There would be great breakthroughs in entertainment, while personal freedom will be shot, and gap between ruled and rulers widened. In this situation PTB's identify grassroots movements as those needed to be exploited. There would be time for "peoples tribune" - types, which would lead the poor, while being cozy with top players, against any group that would be in opposition. In Europe such movements are driven against Roms and Muslims, but those are only targets of opportunity, carefully placed where they will seed unrest. In order to do that mainstream media need to present specially engineered stories- in television AND on main/popular portals. There would be clampdown on "truth" sites, but under the guise of fighting "child pornography" or "illegal hazard".

In times like these, we need to plan accordingly. As for forums like this, every single node is easy to target, you need duplicate, triplicate, quadruplicate information, prepare places where it could be stored. Only place knowledge is relatively safe is in your mind! Understanding information and training memory/mental faculties always pays off. Relying on physical aids or physical information mediums is not good idea. Books can be burned and banned, ideas stay. Plus information weights nothing. Bug-out-Bag is nice touch, but no shiny tool will replace knowledge and skills gained.

In times of such confusion, knowing people in your community is must. Job opportunities, street knowledge, these are all important, and will be more. People from "outside" are always first targets of the mobs, especially if such outsiders have traits of "minority" currently targeted in media campaign. Also, living alone on farm in wilderness, it makes you a target too. Call it "keeping in touch with spirit of the mob" or something.

As for communication during occupation-like event, see "Handbook for new Paradigm". the 5-based personal information network is incredibly good design! True information would be king, not to mention operating systems similar to "Hawala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala)" to support friends/associates in the fix. Overall, be ready to think outside current economic box.
Now, gold and silver problem- remember everything is worth as much as others are willing to offer from it. There are people who know value of precious metals, but those are few. In slump situation, people are more likely to turn to those currencies that will fall slower, and these would change, on design. People know "value" of paper more than silver or gold now. In many a situation, bottle of whisky could be more useful than kruggerand. On the long run, gold might be king, but first you need to get there.. and great many gamechanging events might take place, making our current bets irrelevant.

Ideally, being able to lead people in such situation would be great, but such people would be likely targets. Better learn how to influence people staying in shadows. Learn how people think, how to communicate with them. Sometimes all you need to do is phrase word other way. Always build on pre-existing beliefs of the people - worldview-shattering "revelations" are not the best way.

Watch out for conversion tactics used. In times of trouble, preachers emerge in force. PTB's have not missed that spot too. Watch for both religious and social-organizer types.

But first and foremost: open your eyes and think. use Four Laws to your advantage. Communicate.

very good synopsis of how it is likely to be, imo -- for me, i'll be contiinuing to put my trust in the Creator & Christ -- too many variables for me to try to control or even stay on top of -- & i'm remembering hearing Rolling Thunder speak years ago -- he told us about some wealthy folks from southern California who'd flown him in & put him up in style, just to ask him where it would be safe in the future, & when they should go there -- he told them , 'If you gotta go, you gotta go' [meaning go from this plane, this Earthly body]

rosie
9th September 2010, 13:47
For myself, the internet is just another tool that we may use when needed. It is not a necessity, it is just another tool that has opened many doors for many people.

Community groups would abound if the internet was made to be restrictive, and this would be a very good thing. ;) It is the community (that we live in) that suffers from lack of social skills, because of the internet. I live in a very small town, years ago you could not walk down the streets without getting in the way of a baseball game, now, you could not find one if you searched all day.

I have been actively searching out like minded people like myself, in my own community who believe in themselves, more then what they are told to believe in. Free thinkers abound, but it seems they are tied to the internet in most cases. I believe by surrounding oneself with like minded people who you can actually see and touch, makes all the difference. But, one must get out there and take the first step. In my reality, the internet is useful, but not needed.

So, no back up plan here, other then to just enjoy the people who may show their faces to me once they cannot hide anymore in their houses!

in love & light :wub:

Swami
9th September 2010, 15:17
HAM - radio's, batteries and solarpanels would be the way to keep contact..........

Luke
9th September 2010, 18:56
not so sure about HAM. there are things for which it's too loud.

I'd have a suggestion of exercise: let's try to find ways we could send a message from one member to another using only other peoples as a proxy.
After all there are only 6 degrees separation, you know?
There are people who constantly travel, there are families, and such ties would prevent any clampdown on information. Sure would be hard, as that means talking to real people ( :) ), but think it's doable. Once there would be one link, they'd grow.
Whaddya think?

East Sun
10th September 2010, 00:51
Without the Internet we could not see/hear Bill Ryan, David Icke, David Wilcock, whistle-blowers and dozens more. Yes, we could read books by them but interviews are much better imo.
Also, we benefit from discussing with each other on Forums. Without the Internet we would be at a great disadvantage.











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Carmody
10th September 2010, 01:10
The last thing that The Powers That Be want, is for you to get off your duff and actually go outside and talk to your neighbors, in the flesh.

To fix this planet that is the one thing that is actually 10000000% required.


Therefore, it is in their interests to specifically be sure that you do not get off your duff. They need to make sure you can get your internet soma..and just have 'meetings'....but no action.

You can talk amongst yourselves, but don't try and do a good job of bringing good solid information to your fellow man.

East Sun
11th September 2010, 22:55
I'm not saying this as an excuse.. Anyone who tries to let their neighbors and friends know about any of this stuff is laughed at, thought to be off-the-wall etc.
I do talk to certain people who are open-minded enough to listen and read/skim through books I lend them but remain very skeptical.

Just think how many people around the world are finding out about these important things through the net and who will discover these forums every day in the future. That is, unless the PTB find a way to regulate the Internet and then the air line would be cut off so to speak.

I believe that the most we can do is mention casually to people you know once or twice something you think they might be interested in and if they are interested they will ask questions but if not they will just go on as usual, for now anyway.

Ahkenaten
12th September 2010, 08:10
The internet is a wonderful thing in some ways and it has been an euphoric experience being able to access all kinds of information at a moment's notice, however - it is an informational/virtual reality, and does not measure up to flesh and blood experiences and face-to-face direct interactions with others. It certainly has made a lot of money for the computer manufacturers and the software designers, but has our quality of life REALLY improved as a result? Has business and economics really improved? It almost feels like a plot by some silicon-based lifeforms to suck us up into an alternate reality to me sometimes, infoeuphoria notwithstanding. One example from the business world - contrary to assumptions, computers do NOT facilitate communication/understanding between people because the nuance of facial expression, tone of voice, etc. is absent from the medium. Picking up the phone and having a quick talk saves hours of e-mails sometimes, not to mention avoiding misunderstandings in delicate, complex situations. In the military people sit at computer screens and fly drones over areas killing civilians.......reliance on technology that has not been perfected is dangerous, and moreover - even further distancing humans from the physical reality of war and killing dulls our ability to empathize and short-circuits the mechanics engineered into us that is designed to minimize our violent behavior and impulses. Computer technology facilitates our descent into even more violent behavior and further reduces personal accountability and the engagement of ethics and the conscience in our actions. The confusion and havoc created by computer "communications" is even more true in personal relationships where a clumsy e-mail can trigger hurt feelings or worse, alienate a friend! Now people have become so obsessed with their computers and business so obsessed with tracking efficiency and cost-containment electronically that even in human services, people are plugged into their computer screens rather than dealing with the clients they are supposed to serve! In hospitals I hear complaints that intake workers, Nurses and Physicians actually are looking at their computer screens rather than speaking with their patients for example, promoting the further shift of all human professions into technocracy! The time people spend "communicating" with others on the internet takes away from real time they can spend with their family and friends! There is so much information and so little time in life. We are not designed as silicone-based lifeforms living in a virtual world, and putting the vast amount of energy and time that we do into the virtual world may be misplaced. We DO exist in physical bodies for a reason, to use them. Moreover the more time we spend here - the less time we have for meaningful action in our lives so to the extent that we disproportionately allocate our lifetime to the virtual world, we may actually be unwittingly playing into others' plans because we do not have the time or energy to take meaningful political action because we are so obsessed with chasing information and our virtual "friends."

As in all things it is a matter of proportion.............................and our obsession with information and less-than-satisfying web relationships should be evened out with real life experience in the real world with real people and things..................

To a certain extent these forums are "places" and there are "people" here, too....................but it is a pale slice of life compared to the flesh and blood world that nature designed us to live and act in.

When we die we have plenty of time to exist in the other dimensions full-time.

We should NOT be devoting too much time out of each day to our virtual relationships and the virtual world of information, intoxicating as it may seem, it is taking us away from our lives.

wynderer
12th September 2010, 09:28
The internet is a wonderful thing in some ways and it has been an euphoric experience being able to access all kinds of information at a moment's notice, however - it is an informational/virtual reality, and does not measure up to flesh and blood experiences and face-to-face direct interactions with others. It certainly has made a lot of money for the computer manufacturers and the software designers, but has our quality of life REALLY improved as a result? Has business and economics really improved? It almost feels like a plot by some silicon-based lifeforms to suck us up into an alternate reality to me sometimes, infoeuphoria notwithstanding. One example from the business world - contrary to assumptions, computers do NOT facilitate communication/understanding between people because the nuance of facial expression, tone of voice, etc. is absent from the medium. Picking up the phone and having a quick talk saves hours of e-mails sometimes, not to mention avoiding misunderstandings in delicate, complex situations. In the military people sit at computer screens and fly drones over areas killing civilians.......reliance on technology that has not been perfected is dangerous, and moreover - even further distancing humans from the physical reality of war and killing dulls our ability to empathize and short-circuits the mechanics engineered into us that is designed to minimize our violent behavior and impulses. Computer technology facilitates our descent into even more violent behavior and further reduces personal accountability and the engagement of ethics and the conscience in our actions. The confusion and havoc created by computer "communications" is even more true in personal relationships where a clumsy e-mail can trigger hurt feelings or worse, alienate a friend! Now people have become so obsessed with their computers and business so obsessed with tracking efficiency and cost-containment electronically that even in human services, people are plugged into their computer screens rather than dealing with the clients they are supposed to serve! In hospitals I hear complaints that intake workers, Nurses and Physicians actually are looking at their computer screens rather than speaking with their patients for example, promoting the further shift of all human professions into technocracy! The time people spend "communicating" with others on the internet takes away from real time they can spend with their family and friends! There is so much information and so little time in life. We are not designed as silicone-based lifeforms living in a virtual world, and putting the vast amount of energy and time that we do into the virtual world may be misplaced. We DO exist in physical bodies for a reason, to use them. Moreover the more time we spend here - the less time we have for meaningful action in our lives so to the extent that we disproportionately allocate our lifetime to the virtual world, we may actually be unwittingly playing into others' plans because we do not have the time or energy to take meaningful political action because we are so obsessed with chasing information and our virtual "friends."

As in all things it is a matter of proportion.............................and our obsession with information and less-than-satisfying web relationships should be evened out with real life experience in the real world with real people and things..................

To a certain extent these forums are "places" and there are "people" here, too....................but it is a pale slice of life compared to the flesh and blood world that nature designed us to live and act in.

When we die we have plenty of time to exist in the other dimensions full-time.

We should NOT be devoting too much time out of each day to our virtual relationships and the virtual world of information, intoxicating as it may seem, it is taking us away from our lives.

GREAT post!

It almost feels like a plot by some silicon-based lifeforms to suck us up into an alternate reality to me sometimes, infoeuphoria notwithstanding.

i've had those sorts of thoughts also-- a lot of 'education' these days is done thru computers, not thru books -- teaching our kids to think like machines -- & then there's the 'transhumanist' movement, which is enthusiastic about integrating humans w/AI , non-organic body parts -- & there's a new problem in 'relationships' [what used to be called love affairs] these days, when one person finds that they are competing w/the computer for their mate's time & attention

because of finances, i'll soon be cancelling my net services -- in a way, it will be a relief -- it's been too tempting to spend hours online, on whatever forum i belong to --& this forum especially -- a really fine gathering of souls here -- i'll always be grateful to so many on the internet for the education i received about the way things really are in this world -- initially vox & his voxnyc website, then David Icke, Bill & Kerry w/the PC interviews, & so many others

but, as Ahkenaten says so well:
To a certain extent these forums are "places" and there are "people" here, too....................but it is a pale slice of life compared to the flesh and blood world that nature designed us to live and act in

Yona
12th September 2010, 09:31
I agree also that the way forward is community groups. Just letting each other know where you are and can help each other out . It depends where you live. I am lucky enough to live in a small area where most people say hello to each other. If and when the time the comes we will need each other and share any resources.

East Sun
12th September 2010, 14:29
Akenatan,
I agree that what you say is one side of the story, but I think we can have both. Who gives up their friends to use a computer? Before the Internet masses of people stared at conditioning tv and of course some still do, but the useful info. found on forums like this can not be underestimated.

wynderer
12th September 2010, 14:43
Akenatan,
I agree that what you say is one side of the story, but I think we can have both. Who gives up their friends to use a computer? Before the Internet masses of people stared at conditioning tv and of course some still do, but the useful info. found on forums like this can not be underestimated.

that old saying comes to mind re the info -- 'It ain't whatcha got, it's what ya do with watcha got'

Ahkenaten
12th September 2010, 21:42
I am not recommending that we abandon technology any more than I would advocate burning books...........it is all a matter of proportion. Time is a very limited commodity at this level - what we do with our time is, therefor very important. We should therefor allocate our allotment of time, within which we are actors that shape reality, accordingly.