Engineering / Designing For Dummies: The Bitch List

[Mozart]

<sigh> Engineers / designers ... jeez, could there be a more moronic group than these dudes?


I'd like to apologize in advance to any engineer / designer -- mechanical and all -- who may be a part of this forum and who may actually engineer / design very good products / things. If you do good work, then know that your work is appreciated.


But if you do shoddy engineering / design, there's a special place in hell for you!


I have no doubt that many here in this forum have encountered things that were engineered / designed by morons with lower IQs than that idiot shrub who once occupied the White House, so I'm inviting those of you who encounter idiot designs to bitch about them in this thread.


Here's my first item on this Bitch List: handles on beds.


Now, most of you have moved beds before, right? So when you move a bed, do you hold the damn thing(s) horizontally, like it is when you sleep on it, holding the handles on the sides of it?


No, you turn the bed vertically and carry it that way so that you can go through, what ... what's the narrow-assed things that are placed all over the house that are a bit wider than the thread of a needle? Doorways! That's what.


Now, most people sleep on queen-sized beds now...

http://simplystated.realsimple.com/2011/06/22/bed-sizes/

... do the poll on that site and see that the queen, king and California king bed sized comprise a full 80% of the bed sizes that often need to be moved when one moves.


Memo to engineers / designers: queen beds are around 80 inches wide ... doorways are around 30 inches wide ... bad match!


Moving a twin bed vertically is relatively easy, as one can grip the bottom of the bed with one hand while balancing the bed with the other as one walks through those narrow-assed things called doorways that are generally around 30 inches wide; moving a full-sized bed is more problematic for most people, except strong people.


And moving a heavy, high-quality queen-sized bed or bigger? Eff'n fugetabout it!


And why? When the bed(s) are placed vertically, can you reach those bloody, damn handles that are "conveniently" placed on the sides of the bed? Hell, no!


Are there ever any handles -- like TWO of them -- placed on the ends of the beds where they REALLY are needed when you are moving the bed(s) vertically to get through those narrow-assed doorways?


But noooooooo, those engineers / designers never, ever think of what people deal with in real life when they move beds! There are never any handles on any beds that I've ever moved and I've moved a ton of beds over a bunch of decades -- my own and others -- with nary a handle on the ends of the beds.


I've looked at new beds a few years ago and didn't find a single model that had any bloody handles on the frick'n ends of the beds. WTF? Is there a law that bans handles on the ends of beds? A grand, plus for a bed that is sans handles on the ends? Are you kidding me?


So that's my #1 bitch of the day -- the lack of handles on the ends of beds!


/rant


Feel free to rant with your own observations of things that are designed by morons -- surely there's tons of them out there.


~Mozart

[Sidney]

LOW FLOW TOILETS- designed to SAVE WATER, BUTT (lol) you have to flush it 4 times to get one turd down, now how much water saving ability is that????ARGGGGGGGGG

Also, cars that LOCK YOU IN, after you're in it for 2 minutes. If the car went over a bridge and into a body of water, you are trapped!!!!!! HATE THAT!!!

Complicated thermostats. need I say more?


So thats 3 bitches in one post, hope i'm not disqualified for that. LOL


p.s. I totally agree with your bed bitch. : )

[bram]

<sigh> Engineers / designers ... jeez, could there be a more moronic group than these dudes?


I'd like to apologize in advance to any engineer / designer -- mechanical and all -- who may be a part of this forum and who may actually engineer / design very good products / things. If you do good work, then know that your work is appreciated.


But if you do shoddy engineering / design, there's a special place in hell for you!


I have no doubt that many here in this forum have encountered things that were engineered / designed by morons with lower IQs than that idiot shrub who once occupied the White House, so I'm inviting those of you who encounter idiot designs to bitch about them in this thread.


Here's my first item on this Bitch List: handles on beds.


Now, most of you have moved beds before, right? So when you move a bed, do you hold the damn thing(s) horizontally, like it is when you sleep on it, holding the handles on the sides of it?


No, you turn the bed vertically and carry it that way so that you can go through, what ... what's the narrow-assed things that are placed all over the house that are a bit wider than the thread of a needle? Doorways! That's what.


Now, most people sleep on queen-sized beds now...

http://simplystated.realsimple.com/2011/06/22/bed-sizes/

... do the poll on that site and see that the queen, king and California king bed sized comprise a full 80% of the bed sizes that often need to be moved when one moves.


Memo to engineers / designers: queen beds are around 80 inches wide ... doorways are around 30 inches wide ... bad match!


Moving a twin bed vertically is relatively easy, as one can grip the bottom of the bed with one hand while balancing the bed with the other as one walks through those narrow-assed things called doorways that are generally around 30 inches wide; moving a full-sized bed is more problematic for most people, except strong people.


And moving a heavy, high-quality queen-sized bed or bigger? Eff'n fugetabout it!


And why? When the bed(s) are placed vertically, can you reach those bloody, damn handles that are "conveniently" placed on the sides of the bed? Hell, no!


Are there ever any handles -- like TWO of them -- placed on the ends of the beds where they REALLY are needed when you are moving the bed(s) vertically to get through those narrow-assed doorways?


But noooooooo, those engineers / designers never, ever think of what people deal with in real life when they move beds! There are never any handles on any beds that I've ever moved and I've moved a ton of beds over a bunch of decades -- my own and others -- with nary a handle on the ends of the beds.


I've looked at new beds a few years ago and didn't find a single model that had any bloody handles on the frick'n ends of the beds. WTF? Is there a law that bans handles on the ends of beds? A grand, plus for a bed that is sans handles on the ends? Are you kidding me?


So that's my #1 bitch of the day -- the lack of handles on the ends of beds!


/rant


Feel free to rant with your own observations of things that are designed by morons -- surely there's tons of them out there.


~Mozart

Hey Mozart, give us poor engineers a break! Here's an exercise for you- take a look around you (assuming you're in a house) and see if you can count how many things you have that have the benefit of being designed by people. It's quite staggering to see how much thought and design has gone into our world. Even the components of all the things you have have been separately designed to fit together to make something useful.............

[ghostrider]

here's one, they build huge complexes for apartments, but never allow for moving trucks to easily roll in and out of the parking lot that has less spaces than number of units... I see it all the time. beautiful structures , state of the art , but try and drive a Uhaul truck in and somewhere close to your front door then your furniture doesn't fit in the designer door 36 inches, how many times that sofa just needed two inches on each side and boom it rolls right in without jargen from the mrs about scuffing her new couch....

[TOTHE]

Engineers when they design a machine start by hanging a screw or nut by a thread from the ceiling then build the whole machine around it.

You will discover this screw or nut when you try to remove it. You will either strip the head with your screwdriver or break the nut off with with the wrench. Then you have to go through the agony of drilling, countersink, blow torch, chisel, ball-peen hammer (Kentucky speed-wrench) or extreme cases with a blacksmiths maul.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

finger chopping revolving doors are a waste of space and don't really save the 30 cents from opening the real door.

there has to be an easier way to cut most vegetables and meat other than sawing with a knife and fork; aren't there some better food dicers around so when you cut your kids steak it doesn't take half an hour.

panty hose that tear the first time you drag them up your ass/thighs
those fail. fingers punch through. lmao
and i am not currently a fat ugly one


tables with glass that you can actually fall through make me nervous, like an aquarium ceiling over my head.
especially coffee tables. those don't need to have glass tops imo.


elevators.
why don't we just go to hell in a handbasket instead of a metal hearse? makes me claustrophobic and it invented a whole expensive line of elevator contractors we don't need.


cars. they suck. they kill. they are dirty and expensive.
where are the mothereffing blimps.. oh yeah they were buried with hitler somewhere.



...my list is long, maybe i should be a manufacturing engineer. @.@

[Eram]

How about the stuff that is engineered by people with a low EQ instead of a low IQ?

Printers that are designed to last only 2 years for instance. I even heard that they have built in chips to give an error that can't be undone after an amount of time (not sure if this is actually correct).

Then... when you try to do a little repair service to it, you find yourself blocked by screws that no mortal men has a fitting screwdriver for LOL

people are so devious and cunning when it comes to making money.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

the economization of human life is the great sin of modern man!

[sdv]

Handles on the ends of beds to help with moving them - what a briliant idea Mozart! I've moved many beds and it is so frustrating, and painful when the darn thing slips out of your hands and drops onto your exposed feet.

Desk with folding legs would also be good. Wheels on items such as fridges, stoves and washing machines are a must.

Couches always present the biggest problem. Remember that scene from the Douglas Adams book about the couch stuck on a landing? It was one of the Dirk Gently novels.

In my present home, I've removed all doors and frames for internal doorways so once I get a large item through the front door, it's a piece of cake to move it from room to room. I have found a wonderful feel of freedom by living without doors inside my home.

[ThePythonicCow]

Printers that are designed to last only 2 years for instance. I even heard that they have built in chips to give an error that can't be undone after an amount of time (not sure if this is actually correct).Some color printer ink cartridge replacements have built in timer chips. If you've got one of these cartridges, and it is over X years old ... it no longer works ... regardless of how much ink is left in it.

See, for example HP Ink Expiration (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01764161&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en)

This is in part a way to make money, obviously, but it is also a technology problem. The inks used in some ink jet cartridges aren't stable for a long time.

I've not seen any laser printers or cartridges, color or black/white, with such timers.

[bram]

LOW FLOW TOILETS- designed to SAVE WATER, BUTT (lol) you have to flush it 4 times to get one turd down, now how much water saving ability is that????ARGGGGGGGGG

Low flow toilets- that one's easy to fix. Can I recommend a vegan diet?

[bram]

ball-peen hammer (Kentucky speed-wrench).

He he, I like that one. Where I grew up we called it a Manchester Screwdriver.

[bram]

here's one, they build huge complexes for apartments, but never allow for moving trucks to easily roll in and out of the parking lot that has less spaces than number of units... I see it all the time. beautiful structures , state of the art , but try and drive a Uhaul truck in and somewhere close to your front door then your furniture doesn't fit in the designer door 36 inches, how many times that sofa just needed two inches on each side and boom it rolls right in without jargen from the mrs about scuffing her new couch....

You can always take out your windows, winch your furniture up the side of the building and swing it in. See? Engineers always find a solution!!

[mosquito]

Bram:
You can always take out your windows, winch your furniture up the side of the building and swing it in ......errrrm assuming the building has a winch !!


I have many many peeves, and over my life have witnessed the deterioration in quality of virtually all manufactured goods. My pet hates are :

Toilet paper that disintegrates in your hand if you use less than 3 sheets of it together (why the f*ck to the morons continue buying it ?)

Gel pens (rather than biros). They last about 6 weeks, whereas the last biro I bought (can't get them in China) lasted me 5 years !

Shoe soles that become lethal when in contact with a wet surface (is this one really beyond our ability to get right ?)

and equally, pavements/sidewalks made of material which impersonates ice whenever it rains (ditto)

Perforated packaging which tears anywhere you like except the bloody perforations.

Nasty scratchy labels on the inside of clothes, stitched on with sharp nylon thread.

Zips which keep coming undone (a Chinese speciality)

Virtually ANYTHING made in China. Everything falls apart within days. Again I can't figure out their incompetence - they can make things out of bamboo and paper, just not any other material.

And top prize, probably my nomination for the "let's find the bastard responsible for this and hang him" award goes to .....

Sticky labels which are impossible to remove.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Clam shell packaging

[buckminster fuller]

guns.... Design is an architectonic discipline, it therefore is a mirror to society. Society today is anchored in consumerism and capitalism. As long as there will be retarded people to buy stuff they don't need, and as long as profit remains the goal for makers, we'll see programmed obsolescence and cultural abuses. Don't blame the designer, blame the collectivity of which we're all a part. It's not like there is only this area of activity that is lacking ethics.

but the sh....est modern design is guns, no doubt... ask north american indians

[Ilie Pandia]

Printers that are designed to last only 2 years for instance. I even heard that they have built in chips to give an error that can't be undone after an amount of time (not sure if this is actually correct).Some color printer ink cartridge replacements have built in timer chips. If you've got one of these cartridges, and it is over X years old ... it no longer works ... regardless of how much ink is left in it.

See, for example HP Ink Expiration (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01764161&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en)

This is in part a way to make money, obviously, but it is also a technology problem. The inks used in some ink jet cartridges aren't stable for a long time.

I've not seen any laser printers or cartridges, color or black/white, with such timers.

Ah, you've touched upon something I wanted to write.

Most of the poor design is not the engineer's fault :)

It is caused by planned redundancy, and that is caused by chasing higher and higher profit.

"Grow or die" is the mantra in today's economy.

So this poor design is rather a symptom of something else.

[Sidney]

Printers that are designed to last only 2 years for instance. I even heard that they have built in chips to give an error that can't be undone after an amount of time (not sure if this is actually correct).Some color printer ink cartridge replacements have built in timer chips. If you've got one of these cartridges, and it is over X years old ... it no longer works ... regardless of how much ink is left in it.

See, for example HP Ink Expiration (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01764161&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en)

This is in part a way to make money, obviously, but it is also a technology problem. The inks used in some ink jet cartridges aren't stable for a long time.

I've not seen any laser printers or cartridges, color or black/white, with such timers.

Ah, you've touched upon something I wanted to write.

Most of the poor design is not the engineer's fault :)

It is caused by planned redundancy, and that is caused by chasing higher and higher profit.

"Grow or die" is the mantra in today's economy.

So this poor design is rather a symptom of something else.

I think this may also be a possibility with cell phones, and laptops. Max 2 years, and bang, they are obsolete or broken. I remember back in the day paying 6 dollars a month phone bill, with a phone in every room in the house. Now people spend literally hundreds monthly for a cell. They get us addicted to the technology and they have us in the palm of their hands for life.

[Kindred]

Ah, you've touched upon something I wanted to write.

Most of the poor design is not the engineer's fault :)

It is caused by planned redundancy, and that is caused by chasing higher and higher profit.

"Grow or die" is the mantra in today's economy.

So this poor design is rather a symptom of something else.

As a 'design engineer'... this is the crux of the Whole problem - designed obsolescence. I remember reading about a GM executive (I think it was in the mid 60's) that was asked as to why they kept changing the car bodies every year. His answer, to paraphrase, was that they did so, so that it would make the consumer want a New car with the latest style, almost as soon as he got used to his 'new car'. And, as far as automobiles are concerned, as well as Every other item, is that they Know how long each part will last, and can predict when it will need replacing.

One product I was designing for, used large, medium-duty truck chassis for carrying mobile equipment. Typically, the equipment, due to it's particular use, would, or, could last 20 years with maintenance... but the truck chassis typically wore out after 5 to 7 years, due to it's daily / continual use.

Yes... Higher profit, with less and less cost to produce said product - that is the mantra of 'upper management'.

This is the paradigm that needs to end. Soon.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Nick Matkin]

Well, all this woolly mumbo jumbo stuff about about "spiritual enlightenment" and "raised vibration levels" post 21 December 2012 would be put to better use if we now stared DEMANDING better-made and repairable products!

I mean, if I can buy a made-in-China toaster for five UK pounds or a 'better' one for 50 UK pounds, does the 50 pound one use ten times more materials, ten time more energy or ten times more skilled engineers to make it? Of course not! But if it lasted 10 times longer and was repairable, I'd buy it.

The trouble is, this crap is rapidly assembled (mostly by machines) out of flimsy materials to be cheap. It's not fixable, I know cos I tried to take my faulty toaster apart to fix it. Nearly got it right apart, only to be defeated by two spot welds at the last moment! They could have used ****ing screws! But hey, chuck it out and buy another £4.99 pile of crap.

I guess it could be argued that this mentality is not feasible with modern digital equipment that really does rapidly evolve and improve - though do we REALLY need the latest i-pad every six months?

But washing machines, toasters, kettles, vacuum cleaners etc. reached their design peaks decades ago surely. Let's pay to have them have them built to last and to be repaired like in the old days - please!

We just can't go on digging minerals out of the ground, using huge amounts of energy to make them into cheap consumer tat and chucking them back into land fill 18 months later, when with only a little extra engineering effort these things could be built to last and last. (Sorry Capitalism...)

Regards,

Nick

[Möbius]

Mozart, Does your house consist of one long doorway? I'll think that you will find that when transporting a bed/mattress, 99.9% of your journey will not be through doorways but through areas where you can move your bed horizontally. You can also shunt a mattress through a doorway using the handles when in the vertical position. If you want handles on the sides you sleep on then you might find them slightly uncomfortable to sleep on.

Just a perspective of an Engineer.

Mobius


<sigh> Engineers / designers ... jeez, could there be a more moronic group than these dudes?


I'd like to apologize in advance to any engineer / designer -- mechanical and all -- who may be a part of this forum and who may actually engineer / design very good products / things. If you do good work, then know that your work is appreciated.


But if you do shoddy engineering / design, there's a special place in hell for you!


I have no doubt that many here in this forum have encountered things that were engineered / designed by morons with lower IQs than that idiot shrub who once occupied the White House, so I'm inviting those of you who encounter idiot designs to bitch about them in this thread.


Here's my first item on this Bitch List: handles on beds.


Now, most of you have moved beds before, right? So when you move a bed, do you hold the damn thing(s) horizontally, like it is when you sleep on it, holding the handles on the sides of it?


No, you turn the bed vertically and carry it that way so that you can go through, what ... what's the narrow-assed things that are placed all over the house that are a bit wider than the thread of a needle? Doorways! That's what.


Now, most people sleep on queen-sized beds now...

http://simplystated.realsimple.com/2011/06/22/bed-sizes/

... do the poll on that site and see that the queen, king and California king bed sized comprise a full 80% of the bed sizes that often need to be moved when one moves.


Memo to engineers / designers: queen beds are around 80 inches wide ... doorways are around 30 inches wide ... bad match!


Moving a twin bed vertically is relatively easy, as one can grip the bottom of the bed with one hand while balancing the bed with the other as one walks through those narrow-assed things called doorways that are generally around 30 inches wide; moving a full-sized bed is more problematic for most people, except strong people.


And moving a heavy, high-quality queen-sized bed or bigger? Eff'n fugetabout it!


And why? When the bed(s) are placed vertically, can you reach those bloody, damn handles that are "conveniently" placed on the sides of the bed? Hell, no!


Are there ever any handles -- like TWO of them -- placed on the ends of the beds where they REALLY are needed when you are moving the bed(s) vertically to get through those narrow-assed doorways?


But noooooooo, those engineers / designers never, ever think of what people deal with in real life when they move beds! There are never any handles on any beds that I've ever moved and I've moved a ton of beds over a bunch of decades -- my own and others -- with nary a handle on the ends of the beds.


I've looked at new beds a few years ago and didn't find a single model that had any bloody handles on the frick'n ends of the beds. WTF? Is there a law that bans handles on the ends of beds? A grand, plus for a bed that is sans handles on the ends? Are you kidding me?


So that's my #1 bitch of the day -- the lack of handles on the ends of beds!


/rant


Feel free to rant with your own observations of things that are designed by morons -- surely there's tons of them out there.


~Mozart

[Mozart]

Hey Mozart, give us poor engineers a break! Here's an exercise for you- take a look around you (assuming you're in a house) and see if you can count how many things you have that have the benefit of being designed by people.


Hi Bram,


Thank you for your input.


Like I said right at the start of my OP, I appreciate -- greatly appreciate -- well-designed/engineered products.


For many years as a forest ecologist, I used Husky and Stihl chainsaws and I found their engineering to be remarkable. I totally trusted the equipment and benefited greatly from their good designs.


So, yes, there are a great many things out there that are well-thought with good, quality time/thought going into devices/things of all kinds.


But there are persistent problems with many devices that could be improved on, but as noted by several here in this thread, the systemic problem of planned obsolescence is a huge one, so in that sense, the planned breakdowns of many products are not the fault of engineers.

[Mozart]

You can also shunt a mattress through a doorway using the handles when in the vertical position. If you want handles on the sides you sleep on then you might find them slightly uncomfortable to sleep on.


Hi Mobius ~


Yea, that could work only if one is strong and tall, and the bed is (queen, or bigger) is a cheap, light one. But have you ever tried to lift a heavy-assed, high-quality queen bed by standing next to a vertical bed standing on the sides, grip it and pick it up? Too heavy!


The queen bed, for example is nearly 6 feet tall, with it being vertical on the sides, so try lifting it by grabbing the handles that would be right about the level of your head ... not easy to do for most of us. If you are 6' 4" and built like an NFL lineman, ok, fine, but for the rest of us ... bah, humbug!


That said, there are many well-designed products out there of which I greatly appreciate the quality work that goes into it.


~Mozart

[Möbius]

All I can say from an Engineers perspective is if you want a giant bed which is easy to move then you will pay in both price and comfort as you would have to make it modular (broken down into smaller parts) like putting two single beds together to make a double bed. I once moved house three times in under three years without using a removal firm and had to resort to removing doors to get my large sofa out. My new sofa is smaller for that reason. It is never fun moving house....

Mobius



You can also shunt a mattress through a doorway using the handles when in the vertical position. If you want handles on the sides you sleep on then you might find them slightly uncomfortable to sleep on.


Hi Mobius ~


Yea, that could work only if one is strong and tall, and the bed is (queen, or bigger) is a cheap, light one. But have you ever tried to lift a heavy-assed, high-quality queen bed by standing next to a vertical bed standing on the sides, grip it and pick it up? Too heavy!


The queen bed, for example is nearly 6 feet tall, with it being vertical on the sides, so try lifting it by grabbing the handles that would be right about the level of your head ... not easy to do for most of us. If you are 6' 4" and built like an NFL lineman, ok, fine, but for the rest of us ... bah, humbug!


That said, there are many well-designed products out there of which I greatly appreciate the quality work that goes into it.


~Mozart

[bram]

Engineers when they design a machine start by hanging a screw or nut by a thread from the ceiling then build the whole machine around it.

You will discover this screw or nut when you try to remove it. You will either strip the head with your screwdriver or break the nut off with with the wrench. Then you have to go through the agony of drilling, countersink, blow torch, chisel, ball-peen hammer (Kentucky speed-wrench) or extreme cases with a blacksmiths maul.

You forgot to mention the part where you lose all the skin off your knuckles- I think that's round about the hammer and chisel stage. Oh, and the hacksaw?

[mosquito]

Planned obsolescence and consumere manipulation are indeed the root of all this.

Unlike most other countries, where a car's registration number tells you where the owner lives, in the UK it tells you the year it was registered. I long ago realised that this was purely a way of increasing car sales, and a few years back they decided to change the registration letter every 6 months. Result: pretentious wankers going into a strop about "needing" a new car twice a year.

I remember a few years back buying some old shirts (1930s or there abouts) from a second hand shop. You wouldn't believe the quality of the workmanship; crisp strong cotton, hand sewn with painstakingly small stitches, and buttons sewn on as though they were actually intended to remain attached. Around the same time, my ex-wife and I were browsing the fashion shops and came across some expensive (like 800GBP) designer labelled dresses with stray threads, loose buttons, hems already coming adrift. But then it would probably be bought by the kind of person who'd wear it once then trow it away.

Not quite off-topic, it would be interesting to hear other people's views. My all time best .......

Camera - Praktika Super TL3 (changed the battery once in 20 years);
Car - Citroen 2CV, the only maintenance it needed was to be fed petrol !

[Flash]

My constant complaint: jars opening

Why do you need a f instrument to be able to open a jar, a bottle, a drink, name it. Even with a jar opener, when the lip is to large, it does not work. I had to run outside to get neighbours to open my jars, they really laughed. And this happened more than once. Nobody think of women living alone with their kids!!!

http://images1.vat19.com/auto-safety-master-opener/auto-safety-master-opener-other-uses.jpg

Second complaint: public toilets, bathrooms whatever you call them in your country. Have you noticed that the men toilet has no line up usually and that the women toilets have infinite line ups. Nobody has ever thought that women has to sit for anything over there. That means taking off 3 layers of clothes usually, sitting, doing, reputting the 3 layers, sometime changing napkins or whatever, going out, washing hand, looking in the mirror and arranging make up, plus the kids that you have to take with you, boys and girls. This needs much more space and much more toilets and sinks. We definitely do not have the double of what man have, but would need it.

Women patienlty wait and wait and wait, with children crying around that they have to go. No men would be that patient. They would put the axe in such system. THis is my rant, a life of toilet waiting in shopping centers, in airports, in restaurants, in schools, in offices, name it.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2011/10/5/1317813257893/A-long-queue-for-a-toilet-007.jpg

Look here, nobody, no f body, and they even have tv and Aguilera gosh. You can listen to tv and look at Aguilera when you do not have a full lined up shaking your door to get in while you are doing it.

http://sleeplessandtired.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/creative-toilet.jpg

[TOTHE]

My constant complaint: jars opening

Why do you need a f instrument to be able to open a jar, a bottle, a drink, name it. Even with a jar opener, when the lip is to large, it does not work. I had to run outside to get neighbours to open my jars, they really laughed. And this happened more than once. Nobody think of women living alone with their kids!!!



Dear Flash;

To get the lids off vacuum sealed jars I use a rubber band. The fat kind, like the one’s that hold bunches of asparagus or broccoli together you find at the produce section in the supermarket.

Fit the rubber band around the lid and twist. The rubber band gives you extra traction and minimizes the hand slippage even when it is wet.

[Flash]

Thank you very much Tothe, my inner question however remains: why can't we make jars lid that are easy to open, taking into account the vacuum. They exist in Japan for those small women, why not in America?

PS: I will definitely used your rubber band trick instead of running for my neighbours.