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Rocky_Shorz
1st January 2013, 02:11
we heard it was coming, the electronic Googleable translated Dead Sea Scrolls are online...

will keep digging for more info...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYj_0foJYA

Scroll Viewing (http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/dss_video)

Rocky_Shorz
1st January 2013, 02:19
this is the scroll from that link I've heard about, Jesus was part of the Essenes...

this explains what he lived through for over 10 years...


The Community Rule (Serekh Hayahad, 1QS), formerly called the "Manual of Discipline," is the major section of one of the first seven scrolls discovered in Cave 1 at Qumran in 1947. Written in Hebrew in a square Hasmonean script, it was copied between 100 and 75 BCE.

In addition to this manuscript, fragments of no less than ten additional copies of the work were found in Cave 4 (4Q255-264), and two tiny fragments of another copy came to light in Cave 5 (5Q11). The copy from Cave 1 is the best preserved and contains the longest version of the text known to us. On the basis of comparison with the fragments from Cave 4, however, scholars have concluded that the manuscript from Cave 1 represents a late stage in the evolution of the composition.

The Community Rule is a sectarian work, crucial for understanding the Community's way of life. It deals with such subjects as the admission of new members, conduct at communal meals, and even theological doctrines (such as the belief in cosmic dualism and in predestination). The picture that emerges from the scroll is one of a communal, ascetic life governed by rigorous rules, which transformed the members of the Community into "priests in spirit," who lived sacred lives in a "spiritual temple." The Community members patterned their daily lives in symbolic imitation of the lives of the priests serving in the Temple by praying and performing ritual ablutions, thereby acting in blatant opposition to the "defiled" physical Temple in Jerusalem.

At this time, rule literature was a new genre, which would later become part of the Christian monastic tradition (for example, the sixth-century Rule of Saint Benedict). The discovery of the Community Rule at Qumran is the earliest evidence for the existence of the genre in Western civilization. The importance of this work lies in the fact that it provides a rare opportunity to learn about the lives of the sectarians, whom we assume to be Essenes, through their own rule literature. Prior to the discovery of the scrolls, little was known about the Essenes apart from the evidence of classical sources (Flavius Josephus, Philo, and Pliny the Elder), as well as a few hints in rabbinic literature...

SilentStorm
1st January 2013, 04:45
this is the scroll from that link I've heard about, Jesus was part of the Essenes...

this explains what he lived through for over 10 years...



I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that one, Rocky. 'The Thirteenth stone'... A book written by a man named R. lewis de costa. It may sound exaggerated and maybe even a little arrogant but I believe this book, and the evidence it provides, to be one of the most extraordinary and important books ever written.. I would stake my life on it. and so did he actually, seeing as after numerous (failed) attempts to successfully publish it - at least to my understanding - he eventually had to flee for his life from the Israeli government and - again, to my understanding - decided to put it up on the internet for free. A generous thing to do I think, seeing as, according to him, it was not and does not appear to have been a cheap or short project at all. I find it strange that a book like this has never hit the main stream. In-fact, my personal guess - based off the numerous times I've tried to find a hard copy in any kind of public domain and failed dismally - is that it has been read by no more that 500 people on this planet. Note, this may be a gross exaggeration but I highly doubt it. This licensed Scholar (assuming that's actually an accepted term for professionals these days -who knows) studdied the dead sea scrolls, solely because of the amount of suspicion surrounding it, and verry clearly proves that Jesus, the man, never really existed - or at least not until recently *wink, wink*. In fact in my mind he, along with others who have tried to make this type of information public and been hounded and fired because of it, proves that that the entire bible and every such religious or mythological endeavor does not contain a scrap of history but is a language of symbolism and numerical cyphers (cabala) and is, in fact more likely ('more likely' being the key word hear as I have a hard time being sure of anything these days -_-) a matter of prophecy, created and likely implanted into our society by the Essense and priesthoods like them. Something that it would seem the church has been loosely aware of since around 1947, I believe. It sounds ridiculous, I know, but there was most certainly a dead sea scroll conspiracy and, unlike most, actually does not require wishful thinking or speculation to prove. I believe that this book is a blazing torch in a world filled with an overwhelming amount of lies and baseless speculation. But I actually intend to create an entire thread on it regarding all my thoughts and others' so I won't ramble on. A must read for any seeker in my opinion, unless we can prove otherwise.
Thanks though OP. Any updates would be much appreciated on this side.

Nat_Lee
1st January 2013, 04:58
SilentStorm: A book written by a man named R. lewis de costa. It may sound exaggerated and maybe even a little arrogant but I believe this book, and the evidence it provides, to be one of the most extraordinary and important books ever written.. I would stake my life on it. and so did he actually, seeing as after numerous (failed) attempts to successfully publish it - at least to my understanding - he eventually had to flee for his life from the Israeli government and - again, to my understanding - decided it to put it up on the internet for free. A generous thing to do I think, ...

Can we have a link to download this book or do you have the title ? Thank you SilentStorm.

SilentStorm
1st January 2013, 05:10
Sure.

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/jksadegh/A%20Good%20Atheist%20Secularist%20Skeptical%20Book %20Collection/LEWIS-~1.PDF

You should be able to get it from here if you hold the curser towards the bottom of the screen and click the save option. My pleasure. As a side note though, I do not believe absolutely everything in this book to be correct beyond reasonable doubt, which I'm sure you can judge for yourself. But it points in an interesting direction. Enjoy.

sdv
1st January 2013, 06:05
The Nag Hammadi Library has over 50 texts that give an alternative view of the mythical Christian story: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html Great to be able to access the Dead Sea scrolls online now as well. All these manuscripts can be woven together to make a picture of Christian belief.

SilentStorm thank you for the book by de Costa. What a great find. I notice that in the Introduction he speaks of humanity being in the Dark Ages - an idea that I have encountered in other places.

What a good way to start 2013 - with this feast of treasures from Rocky-Shorz and SilentStorm. Thanks!

SilentStorm
1st January 2013, 06:38
My pleasure sdv. I'm glad you feel can take something from it.
Exactly. The Nag Hammadi Library is actually my next big project. I couldn't believe my eyes reading the excerpts from The Gospel of Thomas in de Costa's book. It literally made my hands sweat. They change everything... I have to read the whole thing for my self, so thanks for the link! Much appreciated