View Full Version : The RA Material (Law of One) and Nuclear Fall-Out (Maybe I'm being melodramatic?!!)
Bassplayer1
3rd January 2013, 02:12
Hello!
I don't know how many people have read the RA Material? I've recently discovered it and find it fascinating - providing I don't rush with it!
Just quickly, for those who haven't read this, its a series of books containing channeled E.T material from RA (The Law of One) through an american woman in a deep trance (Carla Rueckert) with questions being asked to the E.T by Don Elkins present in the room with Carla.
Anyway, I assume I've understood this properly, but there is a discussion between RA the E.T and Don about nuclear war and its damaging effects - particularly during the time of 'harvest' into Fourth Density. My understanding of the info being channeled is that nuclear toxicity damages and scrambles DNA, making the transition for all planetary beings from one life into the next a really long process of healing to get over this.
This is a very sobering thought - especially to everyone killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
In my naivety, I'd been thinking about the suffering these people experienced up to the moment of death in THIS lifetime - it hadn't occurred to me the possibility of long-term after-effects during the journey into the next life!! Now, how do we know that what is being channeled is true? Or that I've definitely understood things? Please correct me if I've misunderstood the discussion. But it makes me concerned for anyone whose journey into their next life has been hindered or made traumatic by the evil of others.
At the risk of sounding melodramatic here, we all need to be vigilant and keep an eye out for each other incase there's any other nasty stuff out there to make our spiritual progress difficult. Thank you for reading!
trenairio
3rd January 2013, 02:21
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Bassplayer1
3rd January 2013, 02:41
I've not read David's book about the RA Material (I understand he's written a 'study guide' for it?) But I've been reading the books written by Don and Carla. I agree though that channeled stuff needs to be considered very carefully. I also like David and really appreciate The Source Field. I guess with David (and as with many others) I select what resonates and leave the rest to one side (no disrespect here but there's so much to read, watch and learn and not enough time!) I seem to remember him talking about the Edgar Cayce stuff .... but rather than be dismissive of this, I'm happy to enjoy the hard work and research he does in other areas.
ghostrider
3rd January 2013, 03:39
I used to really be into David Wilcock's work in and since 2009.
His interpretation of The Ra Material was too literal, and he took it way too much to heart. I haven't seen him post on DivineCosmos since Dec 21 because he knew that he made a false assumption there. I really like the guy, he's intelligent and very active, and I bought his book. But I think he got really carried away with this Ra/Cayce thing.
In my opinion, most channeled information is flawed. Even if the Ra Material has been praised as some of the more accurate channelings of all time, I still only believe it with a grain of salt. There is only so much human intuition can know and interpret. And it does get a lot of things wrong.
just keep in mind the ptb have toys that can produce the voice of God in your head, and we are bombarded daily with electronic impulses... Ptaah says most people cannot have contact because our spirit telephathy is in the infant stages .. 40 years of study Ptaah says seven people had actual contact with ET races... the giza inteligences were misleading alot of people ( they could be behind the channeled info ) until they were removed by the plejaren I think it was in the 80's one of their black satelites still orbits earth in a polar orbit ...channeled information makes me suspicious, always has, something in me has told me to stay away from it ...everyones free to choose , I'm just saying be careful ....just my thoughts don't want to poo poo on anyones parade...
Anchor
3rd January 2013, 03:42
Hello!
I don't know how many people have read the RA Material? I've recently discovered it and find it fascinating - providing I don't rush with it!
The Law of One has, to date, been one of the most profound and life changing works I have ever read.
Subsequently I've posted many quotes from the Law of One work, and other work by LLResearch and a great deal of what I know and have remembered today was catalysed by that work.
I can now say I have studied large parts of the LOO in depth, so if you want to find a particular part I would be happy to offer a considered opinion (and that is all it would be - LOL).
If you have not already seen it, you may be very interested in this website http://lawofone.info/ which is an indexed version of the entire LOO Q&A sessions. Also the author was granted access to the original L/L Research tapes and transcripts and has produced an updated more "forensic" re-listening of the recorded material which is interesting.
In my opinion the Ra entity that David Wilcock has channeled is not the same entity composition of the Ra that was channeled by Carla/Don and Jim. That said, I have listened to the ones he recorded and sold a while back, and they too were very good and informative.
Anchor
3rd January 2013, 03:45
just keep in mind the ptb have toys that can produce the voice of God in your head, and we are bombarded daily with electronic impulses... Ptaah says most people cannot have contact because our spirit telephathy is in the infant stages .. 40 years of study Ptaah says seven people had actual contact with ET races... the giza inteligences were misleading alot of people ( they could be behind the channeled info ) until they were removed by the plejaren I think it was in the 80's one of their black satelites still orbits earth in a polar orbit ...channeled information makes me suspicious, always has, something in me has told me to stay away from it ...everyones free to choose , I'm just saying be careful ....just my thoughts don't want to poo poo on anyones parade...
Using channeled information to discredit/validate other channeled information strikes me as amusingly ironic.
turiya
3rd January 2013, 11:35
Not sure is you have viewed any of the Chris Thomas interviews, or read any of his articles posted on the web, but in his books & some of his video interviews, Chris Thomas has said that there is one race that does not have the best interest in mind for the human race, as they have a whacked out notion of being "god's chosen people" and that planet Earth is "god's chosen planet" for them to make their home.
The following is from another website:
Chris Thomas on the Velon Threat to Humanity
Posted on July 24, 2012 by Light Worker 29501
Author and Healer Chris Thomas is unique in his data about a VELON ET presence on earth, and has detailed their history in his recent books. Now available as a DVD.
He details the true Human Plan, and Humanity’s vital role in the universe, and the involvement with many other ETs over many years. The latest, Project for Human Extinction, details how the Eliite and Illuminiati were taken over by a small number of Annunaki and Hathor Velon ETs about 300 years ago.
He discusses this and other matters, in this the 1st of 2 detailed hour long interviews. His comments are highly controversial, as he slams many channelers as being specifically “conned” by these Velon ETs.
Highly controversial, and unique data.
He was severely weakened some years ago, when he woke up with a hypodermic injection of lethal poison, which he managed to fight against, so he could write his books, and discuss with us on this very rare interview.
Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Zf7scVDQ1g
Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m-RSwTihJQ0
Be sure to read the comments sections of both videos.
Source: http://lightworker29501.com/2012/07/24/chris-thomas-on-the-velon-threat-to-humanity/
Tolec has also in his latest interview has suggested, as the same with Chris Thomas, that those that channel the Galactic Federation of Light are to use some scrutiny.
The latest Tolec interview excerpt regarding the GFL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ryN_YAoDoK0
-*-
Maunagarjana
3rd January 2013, 11:54
Hi Bassplayer,
Yes, these are interesting things you bring up, and this is stuff I have wondered about myself. I don't know if there's any truth the claims about the effects of nuclear weapons on a spiritual level. But I would just say when reading the Law of One books, it is important to realize that there could be sprinkled here and there disinformation that might be difficult to spot. As such, you have to take some of these claims with a grain of salt.
Overall, I tend to like the books and feel they are very valuable, but the 4th density controllers (who Ra called "the Orion group") were doing their best to distort that information and mess with the channel. Due to the way they were doing the channeling (on what Ra called "a narrow band") this was more difficult to distort than the messages of the average channeler, imho. Ra had warned many times (sometimes in very subtle ways) that the nature of their questions and their states of mind made this type of tampering more possible.
I'd like to point out that contactee Alex Collier has said that the effects of nuclear weapons in the ancient past (meaning in and around the times of Lemuria and Atlantis) has caused genetic damage in humans in the past. He said the original humans, our ancestors on Earth, were of a green hue. It is because of this damage that we have the shades we have now. Onyxknight, a contactee who posts on this forum has echoed Collier's claims about the genetic damage that has been done. And it's not so far fetched to believe that nuclear radiation and pollution could have damaging effects on the genome.
PurpleLama
3rd January 2013, 13:13
IIRC, it was the energetic event of the exploding atomic device that tore up the space/time and scrambled the energies of the persons caught in the blast. I do not recall Ra treating the subject of nuclear fallout.
It's true that any information, spiritual or otherwise, should be taken with a grain of salt, but this is no less true in regard to the information presented by our very physical senses.
DNA
3rd January 2013, 13:46
I used to really be into David Wilcock's work in and since 2009.
His interpretation of The Ra Material was too literal, and he took it way too much to heart. I haven't seen him post on DivineCosmos since Dec 21 because he knew that he made a false assumption there. I really like the guy, he's intelligent and very active, and I bought his book. But I think he got really carried away with this Ra/Cayce thing.
In my opinion, most channeled information is flawed. Even if the Ra Material has been praised as some of the more accurate channelings of all time, I still only believe it with a grain of salt. There is only so much human intuition can know and interpret. And it does get a lot of things wrong.
just keep in mind the ptb have toys that can produce the voice of God in your head, and we are bombarded daily with electronic impulses... Ptaah says most people cannot have contact because our spirit telephathy is in the infant stages .. 40 years of study Ptaah says seven people had actual contact with ET races... the giza inteligences were misleading alot of people ( they could be behind the channeled info ) until they were removed by the plejaren I think it was in the 80's one of their black satelites still orbits earth in a polar orbit ...channeled information makes me suspicious, always has, something in me has told me to stay away from it ...everyones free to choose , I'm just saying be careful ....just my thoughts don't want to poo poo on anyones parade...
I think a lot can be correlated with Meier if folks would only take the time. I think you make an excellent point about the Giza intelligence. Most folks don't realize it, but Meier stated these folks had a base on Jupiter's moon Ganymede as well, and it is worth noting that Ganymede is the only moon in the solar system with a magnetic field similiar to that of the earth's.
This also gives credence to the work "I visited Ganymede" by Yosiph Ibram. An excellent work of which I believe is in fact a legitimate contact. Though the Giza intelligence folks are considered negative, the Ganmymede folks are not.
Also, it is worth noting that the famous Rendilshim forest incident left one of the members with a binary number implanted in his memory, when he wrote these numbers down and had them transcribed it gave a longitude and lattitude of an area in the ocean formally known as the land of the Hyberboreans.
This is interesting in how it relates to Meier in that he mentions the hyperboreans as folks who have moved and are now residents under Mt. Shasta.
Was the Redilshim Forest incident actually a non-alien but in fact a crypto-human contact from Mt. Shasta?
Wind
3rd January 2013, 18:04
I don't fully trust the "new" channelings anymore, but I admit that I like the message in some of them, even if the original message is distorted by human ego. However, I find the orignal Law of One channelings amazing. In fact I think that those books hold very valuable information. Nothing really has surpassed it.
Bassplayer1
3rd January 2013, 23:27
Yes, I'm enjoying the original RA chanellings too. Something that ocurred to me - and again this is only speculation, but I'm aware Carla has had ongoing health issues (correct me if im wrong) and I wondered if being a human being in third density being a channel for fourth density info (if this is certain) is hard for the body? I think the chanellings went on for about a year so I guess to repeatedly have fourth density vibrations come into her third density vibratory body may have taken its toll. I hope my wonderings are wrong and she is ok.
Even if the chanellings are not as they seem, the discussions on 'service to others' and not 'service to self' is invaluable.
Anchor
3rd January 2013, 23:40
Yes, I'm enjoying the original RA chanellings too. Something that ocurred to me - and again this is only speculation, but I'm aware Carla has had ongoing health issues (correct me if im wrong) and I wondered if being a human being in third density being a channel for fourth density info (if this is certain) is hard for the body? I think the chanellings went on for about a year so I guess to repeatedly have fourth density vibrations come into her third density vibratory body may have taken its toll. I hope my wonderings are wrong and she is ok.
Even if the chanellings are not as they seem, the discussions on 'service to others' and not 'service to self' is invaluable.
Carla had pre-incarnational disposition to certain bodily weaknesses - this is actually mentioned in the Law Of One.
She "died" already in her past from Kidney problems, and has talked about her NDE that she had at the time on her blog talk radio slot.
RA is a sixth density entity (not fourth), and his method of channeling required not just Carla, but Don Jim and Carla working in a precisely tuned harmony. The actual mechanics of the transfer was hard on Carla and just about every session had a check on her condition and advice on how best to look after her.
After Don died the Ra contacts ended.
Carla started to regularly channel the principle of Q'uo which initially was an experimental hybrid of Ra (6th density) Latwii (5th density), it can be read in the transcripts that this principle itself experimented with its energetic mix so as to best conform to Carla's desire to be of service and obtain the best and highest quality answers to questions asked in the meditation/channeling groups that are run at LLResearch - with the energies stepped down in as safe a manner as possible for Carla.
My understanding is that it is Carla's purity of desire to be of service was the main reason Q'uo was assembled out of the "team" in the first place - in the service of the one infinite creator.
Carla still has health issues - she has an open wound on her back after some essential surgery over a year ago that is healing very slowly and has been infected a few time; however she can be heard most weeks on her show on blog talk radio - look up LLResearch on that site - all the archives of all the shows are there. She is an inspiring person.
Bassplayer1
4th January 2013, 03:16
Hello Anchor , would you recommend the Q'uo material? I've seen a copy in a store recently - it seemed an unusual find considering the loss of so many interesting bookshops these days and I was wondering whether to get it ... actually, her desire to be of service means it should be worth having a look at.
Gardener
4th January 2013, 03:37
Turiya, I really like Chris Thomas. He seems very genuine.
Anchor
4th January 2013, 03:38
Bassplayer1,
It is not for me to say really what you should or should not do; what I can say, is that I value the material and I cant see any reason why it should not be explored.
If you want to try before you buy - all the transcripts of all the LL Research channeling work are here and free to access:
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/transcripts_toc_year.aspx
Q'uo was first channeled in this session http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1986/1986_0112.aspx
I posted a thread about Q'uo here with references to http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11262-LLResearch-Who-is-Q-uo, in that there is a link to the transcript where in 1990 they asked Q'uo who "he" was !
You seem to me to be attracted to this kind of material - that alone is worth paying attention to.
Synchronicity is often the result of you being nudged in the right direction - especially if you have asked for that to happen.
Mozart
4th January 2013, 18:56
Bassplayer1 ~
Thank you for your questions about the Ra Material.
About your OP (Original Post), I have one request -- can you please separate certain sentences like I've done with your OP below with any post of yours? It's MUCH easier to read when it's broken up into small paragraphs of 5 lines, or less.
Anchor ~
I like your really good responses about the Ra Material. Good stuff and you know the material well. I can vouch for what you've said about the Ra Material.
As for my own comments about the Ra Material -- I've been a student of the Ra Material for 10 years now and I've come to respect it deeply and enormously. It is, without any doubt whatsoever, the most accurate material out there, channeled, or not.
Most people make the big mistake of lumping in the Ra Material with other typical "broadband"-based channeled material. As Anchor pointed out, the Ra Material was transmitted by a "narrow-band vibration" with the need of all three people to be precisely tuned in and harmonious in order to allow the transmissions of the thoughts of the Ra group to be transmitted with the least-possible distortion.
Now, what gives me confidence in the Ra Material is that there are a bunch of things that Ra talked about -- scientific things -- that were not yet known to be fact in the world of science back in the early '80s, when the channeling was done, but now are known to be fact in the world of cutting-edge science today.
Just go to David Wilcock's free eBooks on his site if you want to read about those things from the Ra Material, or read his Source Field Investigations.
Consider that the Ra Social Memory Complex is a group of souls that has over a million years of conscious, continual evolution/growth under its belt. They had their 3rd density experiences on a third-dimensional planet (Venus) over a million years ago. The Ra group has already ascended from their 3rd density phase in the third and now are in the 6th density phase in the 6th dimension.
Because of the high level of harmoniousness of the Ra Social Memory Complex, they went through their 4th density and 5th density experiences super fast.
"Density" refers to the grade that a student soul is in -- third grade, for example; "dimension" refers to the school that one is in -- at a school of learning and one graduates into 4th grade when one is ready and done with the 3rd grade.
The Ra Social Memory Complex works very closely with the Council of Saturn that is also known as the Federation of Planets in Service to the One Infinite Creator in carefully managing our Earth in allowing certain negative events to happen, balanced by positive events -- all of which is aimed to create the biggest-possible awakening of the 3rd density humans who have opportunities to do their ascension graduation from 3rd density into 4th density.
So when you read the Ra Material, you are reading the words of a group soul that's over a million years in advancement of anyone on Earth -- that's HUGE. So I take the Ra Material very seriously.
After nearly 30 years of existence, the Ra Material has YET to be found to be in error of ANY fact or information. The Black Ops have been pouring over that Material for years with no discoveries of any errors of any kind.
One can be assured that every single word in that material came through as intended by the Ra group, with only a few very minor errors that were transmitted, all of which were corrected by either Ra or the three involved in subsequent channeling sessions.
Every single session was faithfully recorded; each word was carefully transcribed; Ra spoke slowly, so the combination of those things drastically reduced the odds of erroneous transmissions of erroneous/distorted information.
It's possible to interpret Ra's information too narrowly, so one has to be careful there in trying to understand Ra's own oft-obtuse phrasings and words.
The Ra Material is so packed with information that it's all that I now read when I have spare time, of which I don't have much with the work that I'm doing now and the little bit of Internet surfing to stay on top of what's going on out there.
The picture of the cosmology from Ra is so deep and amazing. It ties in very tightly with what really is going on out there in our world, so I have NO doubt about the veracity of it, the accuracy of it and the perspicacity of it.
~Mozart
Hello!
I don't know how many people have read the RA Material? I've recently discovered it and find it fascinating - providing I don't rush with it!
Just quickly, for those who haven't read this, its a series of books containing channeled E.T material from RA (The Law of One) through an american woman in a deep trance (Carla Rueckert) with questions being asked to the E.T by Don Elkins present in the room with Carla.
Anyway, I assume I've understood this properly, but there is a discussion between RA the E.T and Don about nuclear war and its damaging effects - particularly during the time of 'harvest' into Fourth Density. My understanding of the info being channeled is that nuclear toxicity damages and scrambles DNA, making the transition for all planetary beings from one life into the next a really long process of healing to get over this.
This is a very sobering thought - especially to everyone killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
In my naivety, I'd been thinking about the suffering these people experienced up to the moment of death in THIS lifetime - it hadn't occurred to me the possibility of long-term after-effects during the journey into the next life!! Now, how do we know that what is being channeled is true? Or that I've definitely understood things? Please correct me if I've misunderstood the discussion. But it makes me concerned for anyone whose journey into their next life has been hindered or made traumatic by the evil of others.
At the risk of sounding melodramatic here, we all need to be vigilant and keep an eye out for each other incase there's any other nasty stuff out there to make our spiritual progress difficult.
Thank you for reading!
onawah
4th January 2013, 19:34
I've read quite a lot of channeled information over the years, and I think the Ra material is definitely and by far the purest, helpful and most valuable of any I've seen.
One channeler I've read a lot over the years, Suzy Ward, has been a source of good info at times, and has always had a high vibrational feeling, but I've always felt the need to be very discerning, too.
Of late, I think the messages have gone pretty much off the rails, which I think can happen quite easily.
Another channeler I read is James Tyberonn, and I find his information to be very interesting and plausible, but I think the channeler's personality gets in the way at times, and that colors the information, which can result in erroneous conclusions being drawn on the part of the reader if great discernment is not being employed.
It's a precarious field and I think the original Ra team were very wise to take the precautions they did.
There do appear to be many ways in which such information can be distorted, even by channelers whose motivations are very positive.
Good intentions aren't enough--wisdom sufficient to see through the manipulative ruses of the dark side comes only through much experience and painstaking effort, as well as strength sufficient to withstand the attacks of the dark side.
Both are necessary, on the part of the channeler as well as the reader, imho.
PathWalker
4th January 2013, 21:34
My understanding of the info being channeled is that nuclear toxicity damages and scrambles DNA, making the transition for all planetary beings from one life into the next a really long process of healing to get over this.
Thank you for your question.
And here is an answer following the Law Of One theme.
1. There are no accidents. Nuclear war is not new and happened few times in our solar system. We are the same souls that fought those wars.
2. There are no victims. Those who suffer/enjoy a condition (no matter what condition) have gained it. And this condition is required/requested as catalyst for that soul - including mother earth and the life in earth.
3. The physical condition is a property of the mind/body/spirit complex. If the mind/body/spirit complex believes that it is damages then it is damaged.
4. The spiritual growth is the essence, physical experience is a mean. Therefore the belief system you chose in this free will region. Will and is defining your spiritual progress.
Make this short.
No unclear radiation will not effect your spiritual progress, unless you believe it is effecting your progress and hold to the victim role.
May you chose your belief system wisely.
Anchor
5th January 2013, 03:19
Most people make the big mistake of lumping in the Ra Material with other typical "broadband"-based channeled material.
I do not think you were suggesting to discount "broadband" material just because it wasn't trance channeled :)
I'd say Bashar is worth a listen (channeled by Darryl Anka) http://bashar.org/.
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