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shiva777
11th September 2010, 19:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drTBgrjP3z0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drTBgrjP3z0&feature=channel

wynderer
11th September 2010, 20:30
this is interesting, & ties in w/some things that others say that ring true for me -- but a being who calls her/himself 'The Good Spirit' -- that's not much better than 'The Galactic Federation of Light'

viking
12th September 2010, 12:08
Yeah yeah ....heard it all before!!!

What a load on nonsense...

So the ones that look angelic and feed us with good vibrations are the bad guys....

Soooooooooo the ones with the scaley skin and snakes eyes are the good guys????

Nice try whoever is behind the vid!!!

viking

Celine
12th September 2010, 12:51
are you ssaying , viking...that the good guys always "look nice " and the bad guys always look like monsters??

Remember stranger danger? taught kids that bad guys wore trench coats and lurked in shadows.

People who will lie and hurt you can look and act like angels.

People who will love you and heal you can look like monsters.

viking
12th September 2010, 13:01
Hi Celine ...hope your well ect etc

Hey you'll know the good guys when you see them....go with your heart and don't take too much notice of all sorts of rubbish floating around the net...!!

I was playing with words for the 'playmakers'!!! They know what I mean!!!

viking

Celine
12th September 2010, 13:09
Thank you viking friend... yes well thank you.

i was aware of your intent... and i should have stated i agree with you.

except.

the perception that all that is "pretty" is good and all that is "ugly" is bad.

People with no light, with an empty heart, judge people based on looks...and i KNOW your heart is full and heavy with light.


the GFL is not a person... it doesnt have feelings

The GFL gets attacked often... hard to get a handle on whats worthy and what isnt.

Not just at PA, but GFL members are active on many forums..

i must say... i had a few "pretend" to be friends.. then the turn around and talk "love and light" after dissing people behind their backs.

There is much dis info out there... the GFL is not excluded from that viking..

Good and valuable truth... is NEVER complicated...nor does it sound like a soap opera with "hidden agendas".

IMHO.

frank samuel
12th September 2010, 13:32
Shiva it would probably be good to mention that you advocate the Guardian Alliance and that many members on this forum do not share your enthusiasm . How is your group any different from those you are trying to criticize. Here's a recent article on Ashayana Deane just general information. As a member of this forum we along with a video or a web link we should also post our comments so that people know what your views are .Can you please comment on the Guardian Alliance since it is my impression from all the links you have posted that you believe that only the Guardian Alliance offers a real solution, your comments appreciated.

Anna Hayes - nee Diana Katherine Herhenreader - aka Diane Kathryn Smith - Anna Gruber - Ashayana Deanne - Diane Kathryn Tigue - Anna Gruber - Anna is derived from "Aneayhea" - claims to be Jesus Christ's half sister Martha, Goddess Sekhmet, Kia: Secondary wife of Akhenaten. Very possibly the mother of Tutankkhamon, and possible Smenkhare, by Akhenaten. Titles included the phrases "the favorite", "wife", "beloved" and "the lady".

Anna Hayes is an American, born in Pennsylvania, who has had contact with ET's all of her life. Anna's alien abduction experiences began at the age of four. She was initially abducted by a negative "intruder"' faction of Zeta Reticuli greys because they were interested in harvesting her special encoded genes and were preparing her to become a mind controlled "breeder" of alien hybrids. She was essentially "rescued" from this fate at the age of seven by another group of positive aliens that refer to themselves as members of the Guardian Alliance. For a time, she was being taken by both groups, but gradually the Guardian Alliance taught her how to resist the coercive and manipulative technologies that the negative greys were employing to control her and she was eventually able to free herself from their domination. After moving to Sarasota, Florida and opening up a temple, she changed her mind about its importance and moved with her new husband Michael Deane aka Azurtanya Deane to Greece, then to England.

Anna/Ashayana and her husband offer workshops in various spots around the world for their followers to come and activate sacred sites and do special dances and have their followers stand on and paste special codes on their bodies and do multiple meditations and prayers and songs daily to save themselves from the bad aliens who might try to abduct them and destroy the world. These workshops cost thousands of dollars and no person is allowed at these workshops unless they buy their plane and hotel fares through Anna's company. People who have traveled on their own to the site of the workshop have not been allowed to attend the workshops .

Azurite Press

Fredkc
12th September 2010, 13:33
So the ones that look angelic and feed us with good vibrations are the bad guys....

Soooooooooo the ones with the scaley skin and snakes eyes are the good guys????

Hey Viking... this usually goes on forever. ;)
It's a re-run of the same old song....

"My channeler's red hot.
Your channeler ain't doodly sqwat"

Richard
12th September 2010, 13:43
Yeah yeah ....heard it all before!!!

What a load on nonsense...

So the ones that look angelic and feed us with good vibrations are the bad guys....

Soooooooooo the ones with the scaley skin and snakes eyes are the good guys????

Nice try whoever is behind the vid!!!

viking

Right on V, New age drivel is becoming as old and irrelevant as organized religion IMO



And then we have the likes of 'Indigo Children', 'Star Children', 'Crystal Children', 'Star Seeds' Ad Nauseam.. Who are no doubt set to be the next generation of New Age religious fanatics and take it to a level beyond what is worth thinking about. On one site where they are promoting the whole Indigo Child dross, they stated that "To be evolved, is to be removed from the negativity". Negativity of what? Self deluding bull**** like that quote maybe? On that same page are some other nuggets of wisdom. Try not to laugh too hard..

"Remember that as one gets older, one must focus on the 3D environment, higher frequency consciousness slowing down". [Que?]

"They may not have dates for a transition of consciousness, but can they intuit that it will happen". [Yeah Mum, the world's gonna end. Can I have a new bike?]

"Get away from abuse and power people who have control issues. Go where you are happy and laugh".

[I]"Did you grow up as a Star Child waiting to reunite with your ET family?" [In a nutshell, no]from: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63300 Great post on the new age con and worth a read.

There are so many new age "messiahs" and channelers nowadays it has become glaringly evident the whole thing is a farce.


Anna Hayes as she used to be known, (now going by Ashayana Deane) has a typical cultic persona and ideology dealing with ET - channeling and is typical of many UFO Contactee cults. It is really a cookie cutter messiah ‘Melchizedek'[1] molded type of ideology that is currently affecting the UFO and New Age communities. I would estimate that about 70% of UFO cults in existence have the Melchizedek ideology firmly implanted within the groups belief systems. Often such groups will blend various religious and Orthodox viewpoints and other principles that are out there. The name change is typical of the egotistic cultic persona. They some how become more important in their minds – especially if the channeled information indicates they should.
From: http://www.maar.us/anna_hayes.html


The PTB saw religion going the way of the dinosaurs and invented the new age movement to help set the New World Order into motion. The GFL is another example of this, the message is wonderful and peaceful so who cares what the source is right? um wrong. If the source is self serving, then those who "resonate" with the material will be serving their new master as directed in the "channeled" material.

Silly Humans, Tricks are for kids :P

Fredkc
12th September 2010, 13:51
Perhaps WWF could sponsor a
"Channeling Cage Match!"

"Let's get ready to Huuuuuuuuumble!"

Dale
12th September 2010, 14:19
Perhaps WWF could sponsor a
"Channeling Cage Match!"

"Let's get ready to Huuuuuuuuumble!"

I'd buy a TV set to watch that one, although, I suppose they wouldn't need broadcast it, anyway :p


The PTB saw religion going the way of the dinosaurs and invented the new age movement to help set the New World Order into motion. The GFL is another example of this, the message is wonderful and peaceful so who cares what the source is right? um wrong. If the source is self serving, then those who "resonate" with the material will be serving their new master as directed in the "channeled" material.

I'm a bit skeptical of any movement involving channeling, space aliens, or a combination of the two. And personally, I avoid Anna Hayes and Laura K. Jadczyk like the plague.

All of the spirituality and cosmic wonder you'll ever need is already within.

wynderer
12th September 2010, 14:25
Hey Viking... this usually goes on forever. ;)
It's a re-run of the same old song....

"My channeler's red hot.
Your channeler ain't doodly sqwat"

LOL! thanks for your sense of humor, Fred --i've been enjoying it

=[Post Update]=


Shiva it would probably be good to mention that you advocate the Guardian Alliance and that many members on this forum do not share your enthusiasm . How is your group any different from those you are trying to criticize. Here's a recent article on Ashayana Deane just general information. As a member of this forum we along with a video or a web link we should also post our comments so that people know what your views are .Can you please comment on the Guardian Alliance since it is my impression from all the links you have posted that you believe that only the Guardian Alliance offers a real solution, your comments appreciated.

Anna Hayes - nee Diana Katherine Herhenreader - aka Diane Kathryn Smith - Anna Gruber - Ashayana Deanne - Diane Kathryn Tigue - Anna Gruber - Anna is derived from "Aneayhea" - claims to be Jesus Christ's half sister Martha, Goddess Sekhmet, Kia: Secondary wife of Akhenaten. Very possibly the mother of Tutankkhamon, and possible Smenkhare, by Akhenaten. Titles included the phrases "the favorite", "wife", "beloved" and "the lady".

Anna Hayes is an American, born in Pennsylvania, who has had contact with ET's all of her life. Anna's alien abduction experiences began at the age of four. She was initially abducted by a negative "intruder"' faction of Zeta Reticuli greys because they were interested in harvesting her special encoded genes and were preparing her to become a mind controlled "breeder" of alien hybrids. She was essentially "rescued" from this fate at the age of seven by another group of positive aliens that refer to themselves as members of the Guardian Alliance. For a time, she was being taken by both groups, but gradually the Guardian Alliance taught her how to resist the coercive and manipulative technologies that the negative greys were employing to control her and she was eventually able to free herself from their domination. After moving to Sarasota, Florida and opening up a temple, she changed her mind about its importance and moved with her new husband Michael Deane aka Azurtanya Deane to Greece, then to England.

Anna/Ashayana and her husband offer workshops in various spots around the world for their followers to come and activate sacred sites and do special dances and have their followers stand on and paste special codes on their bodies and do multiple meditations and prayers and songs daily to save themselves from the bad aliens who might try to abduct them and destroy the world. These workshops cost thousands of dollars and no person is allowed at these workshops unless they buy their plane and hotel fares through Anna's company. People who have traveled on their own to the site of the workshop have not been allowed to attend the workshops .

Azurite Press

& thanks very much for this, Frank -- i've been considering A Deane as a possible credible source , but all that famous/well-connected/'goddess' past life stuff -- a big no-no for me

also her classes are extremely expensive

Arpheus
12th September 2010, 14:31
Fredk you never cease to amuse me with your awesome sense of humor bud,we are so much alike eeheh,i almost spitted my tea while reading this !:tea:

Richard
12th September 2010, 14:44
... also her classes are extremely expensive
That's the key wyn, if they are out for money that says it all. :suspicious:

Fred, I love you.. you make me laugh everyday and sometimes, so hard it hurts. Bless you my friend :)

Fredkc
12th September 2010, 15:15
Ok, I have a confession. And what better place than here, eh?

I own a book of what is claimed to be (gasp) channeled material!

Not only that, I would have to say it ranks among the top three books I have read in the last 30 years, in having moved me along my way.

So I read it through once, and it took me a good three months to do it. Mostly because every 5 pages or so, I would come across stuff that just made me go have a think.

Filled with stuff I "used to know", "should have remembered", "Things my heart has been quietly telling me", and a good deal of re-focusing on what really makes things go 'round.

"Oh but wait... this is channeled stuff, and you know how that works."
So I did some digging around re. the source. Guess what? Like just about every other material of this kind, the "Inet jury" comes down to 50/50 on it. So I came to a few questions:

Is the material about the source, or the material itself?
Is the material of any use in my daily life, or is it just a load of "data" I am supposed to absorb?
Is it something I can assimilate, and then use/teach from my own heart?
I am now on my third reading of the book.
I decided that even if the 'source' was my dog, channeling the hum from my refrigerator, what was there was hopeful, loving, a kindness to the spirit, and empowering to the mind. Put simply, it's about my relationship with the Creator, and how to grow in that. and it's "self-contained", which means there is no "cult" to join, cruises to take, camps to attend. Quoting what someone else says they were told doesn't seem to be much of a way to help myself, or someone else, either.

No, I can't sell it - wouldn't trade it for gold. Wouldn't do you a bit of good if I could, you have to make this journey yourself, and no book can change that.
Ed: In fact, here would be a good place to add that, running around looking for THE source, expecting this one, or that one to "install" enlightenment, between breaths, strikes me as a lot of work putting cart before horse. No one is going to hand you an "Aha! moment". They come from yourself, by yourself, usually.

If you're interested you can buy a copy for $13, and can even get a used copy for around $4 at Amazon. If your not then... don't buy a copy.

It's called "The Disappearance Of The Universe (http://www.amazon.com/Disappearance-Universe-Straight-Illusions-Forgiveness/dp/1401905668/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1284306376&sr=1-1)".

Fred
(By the way... this is about as evangelical as I get)

Fredkc
12th September 2010, 15:20
PS: Thak you all for the kind words. Ya make my Sunday ;)


"It should be self evident that if there is only oneness, then anything else that appears to exist, must have been made up. Furthermore it must have been made up for what appeared to be a very damned good reason.

Thus instead of judging the world and everything in it, perhaps it would be more helpful for you to ask what value you saw in making it up in the first place. It may also be wise to ask yourself what would be a more appropriate response to it now. "

HORIZONS
12th September 2010, 17:33
Fredkc, I read that book when it first came out, and listened to several of his talks, and from what I remember Gary claims that these were physical beings appearing to him in his home having all these audible conversations with him, and he was able to record them on tape - but he stated later that he destroyed all the tapes after he transcribed the book. If this is still the author's position on his work (?) I wouldn't call The Disappearance Of The Universe channeled material at all. The author stated that he recorded the information on a tape recorder from conversations he had with these other beings that appeared in his home and had all these talks with him - and that one of these beings turns out to be him from the future - and then he transcribes the recordings into the book, as he was told by himself to do. The book does have some powerful insights like you state, but (IMHO) it is all based around the work of A Course In Miracles which was channeled.

jaybee
12th September 2010, 18:07
If you're interested you can buy a copy for $13, and can even get a used copy for around $4 at Amazon. If your not then... don't buy a copy.

It's called "The Disappearance Of The Universe (http://www.amazon.com/Disappearance-Universe-Straight-Illusions-Forgiveness/dp/1401905668/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1284306376&sr=1-1)".

Fred
(By the way... this is about as evangelical as I get)


Cheers Fred......just popped onto good old YouTube....and there is quite a lot about
it there....not the same as a book, I know...but....

here's one video with some quotes...



9hPytlgRxIs



PS....thanks for your post Horizons...interesting...

Fredkc
12th September 2010, 18:10
Yes, Horizon, "DofU" can be thought of as "A Course In Miracles - For Dummies" per se. (how lucky for me ;) )

I also own a copy of "A Course In Miracles" but admit I have only skimmed the beast. Life, and other things conspire, preventing me from diving into the book with the attention it would need. I really haven't looked at it enough to have formed an opinion, either. Maybe someday.

One thing I still cling to;
Existence in duality provides for infinite complexity. "There is anything you want." If you want, need, or are just enamored with the idea of scads of dimensions, levels, and axis' to existence, then you can be sure the universe will provide both it, and the time to explore it. There's all the 'geometry' we can imagine (and more), at the beck'n call of our creative abilities. Tempting, isn't it? (he heh)

When I see these drawings about multi-layered, multi-dimensional, multi-everything depictions, what I keep seeing is more like rainfall on a clear lake. Pretty, yes. Useful? What I went looking for was akin to, "The shortest distance between two points is a straight line."

things like: "Life is it's own answer." - Ray Bradbury

:)
Fred

shiva777
12th September 2010, 18:56
This group really lets me realise that people can only understand from the level they are at...lol...maybe some will get this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3z38Hbl9kY&NR=1

HORIZONS
12th September 2010, 19:20
This group really lets me realise that people can only understand from the level they are at...lol...maybe some will get this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3z38Hbl9kY&NR=1

So, exactly what level are you at? Please enlighten us. How many levels are there? What are the terms attributed to those levels? How does one ascend the levels? Can you go upwards or downwards in levels? How do we graduate out of the levels? Are there level police to patrol the levels? Can you skip any levels and go straight to the top?

Many thanks,

PathWalker
12th September 2010, 22:58
I suggest to read (listen) to the "Law of one (Ra Material)" http://www.lawofone.info/
It is very extensive philosophy about existance, dimensions and the polarities.
The methods of polarization (elite, differentiation, technology). The methods of enlightenment.
Free will, service to self vs service to other.

Once I internalized the material for few days, I am more confused and more discerned about ET intervention and the polarization.
What ever you (the reader) perceive as ET. It has an agenda. Make sure you are well aligned with your values (which ever they are) before aligning with the ET.

Personally I have somewhat fed up with the "Star Wars" stories and saga. I am more into self alignment and values.

May you find your path.

Tigger
13th September 2010, 02:20
This group really lets me realise that people can only understand from the level they are at...lol...maybe some will get this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3z38Hbl9kY&NR=1

That statement sounds scarily similar to another guy - Val Valerian when he published a book called 'Matrix IV'. There was a very good review written about the 'Matrix IV' and the statements made by the author of the book at the following link:
http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html

Tiggs.

MariaDine
13th September 2010, 21:32
Thanks for posting the Gary Renard material :)

Carmody
18th September 2010, 23:19
PS: Thak you all for the kind words. Ya make my Sunday ;)


But it's only Saturday..........

Humble Janitor
19th September 2010, 00:55
I've read the David Icke thread mentioned on the first page.

I've always believed that the GFL/GA were nothing but farces invented to take advantage of others.

I don't even want to read Wilcock anymore for the same reason.

I'm not sure of the purpose that this skepticism will serve.

Carmody
21st September 2010, 19:55
I'm not sure of the purpose that this skepticism will serve.

Thankfully, you have the good sense to understand the battle within yourself as opposed to standard egoic projection, which is essentially 'animalism', in my book.

On that sort of a 'course taken', the odds are in your favor.

bashi
26th October 2010, 22:51
So the ones that look angelic and feed us with good vibrations are the bad guys....

Soooooooooo the ones with the scaley skin and snakes eyes are the good guys????

viking


BS?
Another troubled soul?


yr_9woi8lQU

Ross
26th October 2010, 23:03
good greif....that fella needs somthin...help perhaps...

SkepticSoul
30th October 2010, 23:37
I suggest to read (listen) to the "Law of one (Ra Material)" http://www.lawofone.info/
It is very extensive philosophy about existance, dimensions and the polarities.
The methods of polarization (elite, differentiation, technology). The methods of enlightenment.
Free will, service to self vs service to other.

Once I internalized the material for few days, I am more confused and more discerned about ET intervention and the polarization.
What ever you (the reader) perceive as ET. It has an agenda. Make sure you are well aligned with your values (which ever they are) before aligning with the ET.

Personally I have somewhat fed up with the "Star Wars" stories and saga. I am more into self alignment and values.

May you find your path.

The material of Ra correlates alot with the cassiopea project but i find cassiopea more accurate.
If you are intrested check out the website:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/

bluestflame
31st October 2010, 00:51
it's the feeling they bring out from within us , present , alert, unafraid, MORE alive , but if you feel disempowered , vague and disoriented , it's an indication of something to be avoided , don't trust the words they speak , but the feeling that arises from the depths of self

Celine
31st October 2010, 00:52
Hmmm what bothers me about the "follow your heart" theory... is that hearts can and are manipulated

truthseekerdan
31st October 2010, 00:57
Hmmm what bothers me about the "follow your heart" theory... is that hearts can and are manipulated

You mean minds (brains), don't you Celine?

Celine
31st October 2010, 01:01
Minds are easier to manipulate..

But no..I meant hearts.

We are more "played" with...then we realise sadly.


Its the combination of what my mind knows, what my heart feels and what my spirit seeks... that guides me.. and even then, i find myself trying to strip away triggers and pre conceived notions

bluestflame
31st October 2010, 01:05
notice i said feeling not emotion, by that i mean that still place within that speaks to us without words, that "sense of something"

like many speak of that uneasy feeling they can't quite shake , when something's not right and they can't quite work out what it is , that's the part of us that knows something and is trying to get our attention (when we're not immersed in the external stimulus "triggers" and distracted by social conditionng )

Celine
31st October 2010, 01:14
(when we're not immersed in the external stimulus "triggers" and distracted by social conditionng )

This is my issue.... when are we not?

bluestflame
31st October 2010, 01:47
when we find our stillness and anchor our awareness in that , when we let go of our conditioned attatchment to drama

becoming more aware of what's going on without being steered by emotional investment , aware of the emotions , allowing them to flow , but not caught in their stream

=[Post Update]=

cos it's the emotions that the powers that wanted to be seek to engage , primarily fear and anger , these are the ones that most cloud our ability to see the subtleties

Celine
31st October 2010, 01:52
becoming more aware of what's going on without being steered by emotional investment , aware of the emotions , allowing them to flow , but not caught in their stream[COLOR="red"]



HEAR HEAR!!

Thank you blue..Yes this is a great direction to see..

Our hearts are guides, but... would you trust your life to a GPS? lol

bluestflame
31st October 2010, 01:57
thing is we're being sent invitations constantly , trick is to be conscious of them , then we get to choose which ones to accept , consciously

Mandala
31st October 2010, 03:03
So besides simply trusting our "gut feeling and heart", does anyone really have a clue who the bad guys are?
Get on the ship. don't get on the ship, go through the gates, don't go through the gates.

For some people who may have been at this for a long, long, time this may seem elementary, but I started a year and a half ago and wow.... BILL RYAN HELP!
Does anybody really know what time it is? (Chicago) Just in case I'm way too old.

Every time I think I'm getting the puzzle near completion, I find a hundred new pieces I have to find a place for. Does anyone else feel this way?