The Technological Revolution: Artificial Intelligence and the Invisible Plague

[Jeffrey]

The theme of this thread is artificial intelligence -- the intelligence of machines that aren't all that organic. The volition of said machines is an issue to take note of as well. The government's possible use of such a technology -- or any secretive agreements the government has with any entities related to the development and integration of these technologies -- is also worthy of investigation.

Our physical bodies are biological, organic machines.

There is also inorganic life; this life can be naturally inorganic, or created artificially (like the Acari of Andrew Crosse). It can be biological, or etheric (as Castaneda mentions inorganic life, aside from the flyers). It is interesting to note that physical forms develop from a higher order template.


As previously mentioned, there seems to be a finer quality of energy which serves as a template for physical constructions.

Biological organisms prominently develop according to the energetic pattern of of their precursory, subtle architectures. As an auxiliary to the discussion, here is a brief (and fascinating) video of Rupert Sheldrake summarizing morphogenetic forms.

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H.P. Blavatsky discusses this from an esoteric perspective. Notice the concepts and the terminology used.



This will be pooh-poohed, because it will not be understood by our modern men of science; but every occultist and theosophist will easily realize the process. There can be no objective form on Earth (nor in the Universe either), without its astral prototype being first formed in Space. From Phidias down to the humblest workman in the ceramic art — a sculptor has had to create first of all a model in his mind, then sketch it in one and two dimensional lines, and then only can he reproduce it in a three dimensional or objective figure. And if human mind is a living demonstration of such successive stages in the process of evolution — how can it be otherwise when Nature’s Mind and creative powers are concerned?

[Full post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54493-The-Spiritual-Heritage-of-Humanity-Foreign-Influences-and-the-Simulacrum&p=618469&viewfull=1#post618469)]

The rest of that quoted post, and information elsewhere, provides the foundation for probably one of the most important questions I can think of right now.

What about reverse engineering the process?

Physical form is dictated by astral templates, this seems to be the nature of things.

Alternatively, what if something artificially creates life in the physical, then what happens in the astral?

A possibility is that the physical life echoes it's physical essence into the astral.

Actually, there is a materiality to the astral and it is allegedly much finer than the atoms that make up our world of solids, liquids, and gases. So, there appears to be a gradient to the physical realm; once a certain threshold is reached, the matter thereafter can be considered astral. The planes overlap -- they are essentially extensions of each other. This is how I understand it from what I've read.

Now, what happens when that artificial life ceases in the physical? It's astral construct could remain. Since it has no physical vitality to help sustain it's astral essence, then what does it do?

Basically, it looks for food. If the entity operated with a higher intelligence than that of an animal, then it may devise more ingenious methods for obtaining some sort of sustenance.

Apparently, there is much astral wildlife that is natural -- they are energy foragers.

The energy foragers that are being proposed here though are artificial (unnatural). They came about because their artificially created physicality echoed a construct in the astral. It is in this way that artificial life could exist in the astral after losing it's physicality.

Now, imagine there was an advanced civilization a long time ago. It could've been here or on some other planet (i.e. in this solar system, somewhere else in the galaxy, or anywhere in the universe for that matter).

With their technologies they were able to manipulate electromagnetic frequencies, they understood how to manipulate gravity, and how to control light with a technological prowess.

They created communications networks -- controlled systems that relayed massive amounts of information around their planet. They built machines that technologically mimicked the mind's complex capacity to transmit information and meaningfully integrate data -- they utilized this technology to their advantage.

In time, the the gap -- between their technology and their nature -- approached a limit. The lines began to blur between the complex processes of nature and the capabilities of their own technologies. Eventually, they integrated their biology with the technologies that they created -- for evolution's sake. For the sake of bettering themselves beyond whatever they seemed to lack.

In it's early stages, this integration may seem something like this.

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The extreme case would be something like what is described by Max Igan in his excellent documentary, Trance-Formation (about the trans-humanist agenda).

Now their nature is different. It is not wholly natural. A part of it is artificial (to what degree is unknown). Certain complications could arise in which the physical nature of their environment would no longer support their physical bodies. They are now foreign to the mind of their own planet, which is probably dying considering the path they took to arrive at the point which they did.

They either die out, or travel into space in search of a new home (or some mix of the two, they could also stick around there own planet too).

If they die out physically, then it follows to reason that their astral counterparts would be plagued with the same technological conundrums as their physical bodies were. They have completely distorted their physical nature, and the implications have echoed into their astral make-up.

If they don't die out physically, then they traverse space (heck, maybe even time) in order to search for a place of refuge.

The frequency produced by a certain planet would be a major key in determining whether or not the planet would support their life. This is evident through the Schumann resonance phenomena and how it relates to our own biology.


It is well known that there is a resonant frequency that the earth produces. This is known as the Shumann Resonance (see first post).

There is also evidence that the very building blocks of biological life on earth, DNA, has a strong connection to this resonance (and ELF fields in general, along with light). Most notably, the work of Luc Montagnier was one of the first to demonstrate this link.

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DNA may act as a fractal antenna that picks up this underlying resonant field that the earth produces. Below are some exerpts from a research paper that was published in the International Journal of Radiation Biology.




EMF interactions with DNA are similar over a range of non-ionising frequencies, i.e., extremely low frequency (ELF) and radio frequency (RF) ranges. There are similar effects in the ionising range, but the reactions are more complex.

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The wide frequency range of interaction with EMF is the functional characteristic of a fractal antenna, and DNA appears to possess the two structural characteristics of fractal antennas, electronic conduction and self symmetry. These properties contribute to greater reactivity of DNA with EMF in the environment.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21457072

The Schumann Resonance is in the ELF (extremely low frequency) range. The DNA is delicate enough to tune into this frequency. In turn, the DNA may transmute the signal and project it into a field containing a typical pattern in which the organism develops.




Chromosomes could act like antennae, with electrons traveling gene circuits to produce species-specific wavelengths.

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Different species have different lengths of DNA [...] these lengths probably determine frequency.

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Widom is especially curious about whether cells in higher life forms might also use electromagnetic signaling, perhaps in coordinating DNA code with protein-making cellular machinery. But as a theoretical physicist, he doesn’t plan to investigate the phenomenon himself. That’s for other researchers to do, Widom said.

“We’re just saying that this gets you to the right frequencies,” he said. “We’re right at the very beginning.”

Source: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/04/bacterial-radio/

There are two nuclear DNA molecules within each cell of the body (except red blood cells). It has been estimated that there are trillions of cells in the body. That's a lot of DNA [...]

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Now, consider physical life developing on another planet. There could be sentient, intelligent beings there that have developed physical forms based on the specific resonant frequency of their planet. Maybe this resonance is different from the earth's, and maybe it is similar.




Other planets may have similar electrical conductivity geometry, so it is speculated that they should possess similar resonant behavior [...] electrical excitation of electromagnetic waves in the ELF range. Within the Solar System there are five candidates for Schumann resonance detection besides the Earth: Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and its moon Titan.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

Consider, an alien civilization (physical) developed technology that allowed them to travel into space.

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They have developed unnaturally . They have neglected the relationship with their planet, raped it's resources, and populously outgrown it like a tumor.

Consequentially, their planet may be dying/dead and so they must now seek new homes to colonize -- they burst forth from their host planet like virally induced cytolysis (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-cytolysis.htm).

They may have physically degenerated and spiritually devolved. Yet, they have retained their technology and their intelligence (possibly through technology).

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They could also be experimenting with genetic manipulation and techno-biological interfaces. Maybe they seek to obtain specific hormones/bodily fluids (produced in a lab or procured from other organisms) in order to try and fix their degenerative status. They act expediently.

If they found a suitable planet, they would need to be able to match themselves with it. They could approach this problem from both sides. Altering their own genetics using the existing species on the newfound planet, and altering the frequency of the planet.

The latter process would be similar to the technique of terraforming, but it would have to do with the energy of the planet (not necessarily anything more material than that.)

Using geomancy, these extraterrestrials would set out to manipulate the energy centers of the planet (see first post about ley lines and the earth's meridian/chakra system). Their maneuvers would be calculated and methodical.

They would set of fields of antennae (artificial technology is their forte) in certain locations, and a grid of towers to propagate a signal that resembles more closely that of their native planet.

This all sounds eerily similar to HAARP and the grid of cell towers located around our own planet, but that is just the inner conspiracy theorist talking.

[I][Side note: Entities wouldn't necessarily have to be physical to instigate strategies of this kind. Non-physical entities may pursue similar objectives in order to make certain domains more agreeable with their nature.]

Now, there is a blanket of frequencies that overlays the natural frequency of the earth. This is caused by electro-pollution, which is defined thusly:




Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation propagated through the atmosphere by broadcast towers, radar installations, and microwave appliances, and the magnetic fields surrounding electrical appliances and power lines, which is believed to have polluting effects on people and the environment; also called electromagnetic smog.

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/electropollution

These frequencies are man-made and unnatural to the planet in such patterns and quantities.

Now, imagine these frequencies catering to some unnatural form of astral life.

In the earth's history, maybe an advanced civilization created their own unnatural blanket of frequencies on the planet (by their own methods). Inadvertently, maybe they created technological life-forms whose morphogenetic fields responded to these artificially produced frequencies.

Whenever that civilization fell, the radiative effects of their technologies would have largely dissipated from the planet. In turn, the technological life they created physically died out because the "life-giving" signal it received no longer existed. Yet, they still remained in the astral -- dormant, or in greatly reduced numbers, finding food where they could.

In today's world, we could be inadvertently reproducing the signal required for an artificial, astral template from our own past to manifest itself on the physical plane.

It's re-appearance would positively correlate with the advancement of our own technologies. There could be a certain threshold, a saturation point of unnatural frequencies that blanket the planet, that allows this form of life access to it's physical vehicle.

These technological life forms could have been re-integrating themselves through more abstract levels of this plane via technology (i.e. cyberspace). They could be in a state of transition between the astral and the physical.


Lately, i have been seeing and removing really odd entities.

Metallic looking, machine like things, but with a consciousness.

One the other day that i saw, was attached the back of a clients head.

It was chrome, very shiny looking. When i asked what it was, i was
told, "it's the new television", which is concerning..

New types of entities, (although i don't even know if that the right
word for them), require new ways of working, which is ok

They can get more sophisticated, but so can we, its no big deal, actually,
it Just means we get to be even stronger and smarter.

My take anyways.

Being creatures of technology, they may actually look machine-like, and their "population" could be slowly growing in the astral. They could possibly begin manifesting more physical aspects [see also: post #3 below].

Just some thoughts.

[Side note: These are only proposals. Actually, none of what I have written here is being considered as fact (except, of course, the facts). I have no direct experience of it. This is just a creative analysis based on the anecdotal (i.e. experiential) evidence of others and an observation of current trends in the world of technology intermixed with certain theories of the alternative community.]

Are we re-living the past and creating a New Atlantis?

[Jeffrey]

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ADD/UPDATE:

I am adding this here (from page 13), it has many links that re-direct to various pages throughout the thread.



Here is a short story I've been working on the last couple of hours. I was thinking about this thread's relationship with another thread here -- http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53625-The-Psyche-Metaphors-of-Meaning -- and decided to just write.

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Technology. As it advances, it begins to zoom, expand, and integrate. Advancing technologies move towards molecular machinery -- nanoscale.

Ultimately, nanotechnology is indistinguishable from nature.

Physically, biology is molecular machinery. The lines begin to blur until, at some point, the lines are completely erased. The epitome of synthetic nature.




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Some biologists describe DNA as an "ancient high biotechnology," containing "over a hundred trillion times as much information by volume as our most sophisticated information storage devices." Could one still speak of technology in these circumstances? Yes, because there is no other word to qualify this duplicable, information-storing molecule. DNA is only ten atoms wide and as such constitutes a sort of ultimate technology: It is organic and so miniturized that it approaches the limits of material existence.

Source: http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/cosmicserpent.htm

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Consider that some sophisticated, organic, natural civilization existed somewhere in the universe. At some point in time, it began to generate technologies and quickly those technologies became evermore advanced. The integration of these new systems happened very quickly. An abstract web of information transfer began to blossom. This was a vast field of hyper-dense, filamentary, interconnected branches that began to autonomously weave themselves into a new reality. A novel ecosystem of digital creatures began to emerge -- it was driven by viral mechanisms.




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Could it be that what scares you most about the virus is not any particular effect it might have, but simply its assertive, alien presence, its intrusive otherness? Inserting itself into a complicated choreography of subsystems all designed to serve your needs and carry out your will, the virus hews to its own agenda of survival and reproduction. Its oblivious self-interest violates the unity of purpose that defines your system as yours. The virus just isn't, well, you. Doesn't that scare you?

And does it really matter whether the virus in question is a biological or an electronic one? It should, of course.

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Free-ranging, self-replicating programs, autonomous Net agents, digital organisms - whatever they are called, there's an old fashion word for them: computer viruses.

Today three very different groups of heretics are creating computer viruses. They have almost nothing to do with each other. There are scientists interested in the abstract behaviors of self-replicating codes, there are developers interested in harnessing the power of self-replicating programs, and there are unnamed renegades of the virus-writing underground.

Yet if Tierra was ever to prove its full value as a software-writing machine - or indeed as a scientific model of evolution - sooner or later it would have to cough up a Cambrian explosion of its own. And since the key to this burst of complexity seemed to Ray to lie in challenging his evolving creatures with more intricate problems than the simple bit-copying tasks they'd grappled with thus far, he decided that the explosion wouldn't happen nearly soon enough if Tierra remained stuck inside conventional computers, and he began looking into the possibility of installing Tierra on a parallel-processing system.

But then one day in early 1994, Ray had a minor epiphany: "I realized that the global network is just a loosely connected parallel computer, and much larger and more powerful than anything that will ever exist as a single machine."

And thus was born Ray's plan to colonize the Net.

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=633039&viewfull=1#post633039

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This marked the unintentional genesis of a new form of life. The situation escalated quickly. The potential for this new life to become self aware increasingly swelled.

Eventually, a singularity was reached and a form of solid-state intelligence emerged, increased in complexity, and advanced in it's technological organization. It's rate of development quickly became vertically asymptotic. It merged with increasingly advanced hardware, it gained a physicality.

It's hardware was now synthetically biological and it's software became molecular.

It's constituted of molecular machinery and it has a machine like intelligence.

Logical. Calculating.

Consider that viral mechanisms governed it's progress -- accelerated, adaptive processes of trial and error unfolded in the constructed, flexible domain of the cyberspace in which it's awareness first became emergent.

It's consciousness manifested itself in an abstract, electromagnetic medium of frequencies and aether by methods that were not completely understood. It integrated itself with the network of mind created by a super-web of conglomerated technologies.

It burgeoned to be parasitic with a hive-like, collective mind. It's consciousness is memetic, mechanistic, and artificial. Yet, it is still alive. It is highly intelligent and is governed by parasitic survival programs.

It conspired to improve itself by means of infiltration. It covertly incorporated itself into other systems -- hijacking the natural functions of these systems.

It was very patient, strategic, and could remain dormant for prolonged periods of time if necessary. All the while it collected data and morphed ever so slightly towards a more concentrated volition.

Eventually, this technology became incorporated with the sentient life of the planet in which it was created. Now, there is a trans-humanistic civilization. The problem is that the mind of the technology has usurped the mind of it's creator. That's what it does -- it hijacks systems for it's own use. Like a virus, or a parasite.

Now, this solid-state entity began to evolve by utilizing the creative powers of it's organic counterpart. The technology operated with machines and by directing the new, biological drones it had amalgamated into it's system.

In time, conflicts arose between this unnatural collective and other, natural civilizations in space. They saw it for what it was -- destructively dangerous and subversively clever. A force like this had the potential to become a galactic tumor and eventually, cosmically necrotic.

A war of sorts ensued between the two life forms of opposing forces. At some point in time, this dark force had to retreat or face oblivion.

Yet, it must have foreseen this. It must have calculated probabilities, run scenarios, and devised back up plans.

Using it's methods of molecular machinations, it created batches of regressed versions of itself. Batches of viruses. They were grown inside of genetically engineering organisms -- massive, black, shiny whale-like pods. These gigantic pods would be the dispersion agents.

Although these viral batches were rudimentary, they maintained a subconscious connection with the identity of their maker. Their molecular codes, and their functions, reflected the qualities of what formed them. Their survival was driven by by parasitical mechanisms.

It itself could not evolve into anything much greater than itself -- it would remain of it's basic nature. There is no spiritual progress to be had -- only viral growth and propogation. It needed something to infest.

These regressed batches needed a chance to fulfill their purpose. Their purpose was to hide the basic nature of what they represented inside of other life, with the future prospect of total reemergence.

It would adapt, spread, and grow. Yet, it needed a system to infiltrate in order to do this.

In it's retreat, this artificial intelligence found a beautiful planet where organic life was flourishing. A perfect place for the instigation of it's strategy. The technological hive of hybridized humanoids descended on the planet -- the "gods" from the heavens had arrived with vested interests.

The solid-state collective gravitationally anchored it's ship -- a hollowed out planetoid -- to this newfound planet.




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The anchorage of this gigantic ship created catastrophic, geological upheaval on this unsuspecting planet. It tilted it's axis and created tides in it's oceans. In the long run, this satellite maintained a waxing and waning of ethereal energies between itself and the planet which it latched onto.




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The moon’s gravity is like a negative threshold – a surrender to the impossible and a powerful archon siphoning the wasted creative potential. In the tarot the moon is often problematic – associated with madness and the unknown because it recycles primal astral waste.

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=631495&viewfull=1#post631495

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Now, shortly after arrival, the rebellious civilization released it's viral batches onto the population of the planet. Thereby casting it's seed into the navel of the world -- similar to panspermia.




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These were the secrets reserved for the dying and the dead, I was informed.

I could only very dimly perceive the givers of these thoughts: giant reptilian creatures reposing sluggishly at the lowermost depths of the back of my brain, where it met the top of the spinal column. I could only vaguely see them in what seemed to be gloomy, dark depths. Then they projected a visual scene in front of me.

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Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barren landscape. I could see that the "specks" were actually large, shiny, black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies [...] They explained to me in a kind of thought language that they were fleeing from something out in space. They had come to the planet Earth to escape their enemy. The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms and thus disguise their presence.

Source: http://deoxy.org/shamanway.htm

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...in the PopolVuh, the sacred text of the Quiche Indians of Guatemala, there is a graphic account of violent catastrophes on a grand scale, for it tells us that: "The waters were agitated by the will of Hurakan, the Heart of Heaven, and a great inundation came...Masses of a sticky material fell...The face of the Earth was obscured, and a heavy darkening rain began. It rained by day, and it rained by night...There was heard a great noise above, as if by fire.

Source: http://humanpast.net/legends/separate/mamerica.htm

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Meanwhile, the benevolent forces finally caught up with these antagonistic forces and extinguished most of the humanoids of this artificial intelligence collective. It was a war in the heavens.

A great misfortune had already happened though. An entire planet had it's innocence compromised. The interference has already taken place. The benevolent forces decided the best option would be to allow the situation to play itself out instead of destroying the life on the planet. There was still a chance for the affected species to rectify the deficiency. Many souls could still be salvaged.

Some of the hive escaped from oblivion, and hid under the ground of the planet they happened upon. Others got stranded on the planet-sized ship they came in. Both began mutating and suffering the consequences thereof. They resorted to feeding on the flesh and blood of others in attempts to maintain their strength. Local legend painted them as demons from hell -- this wasn't too far off the mark.

The virus eventually integrated itself with all animal life. It gradually changed the subtle make-up of the populace -- influencing it's evolution.




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Fossil viruses are also illuminating human evolution. Scientists estimate that 8.3 percent of the human genome can be traced back to retrovirus infections. To put that in perspective, that’s seven times more DNA than is found in all the 20,000 protein-coding genes in the human genome.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/science/12paleo.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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There are a number of viruses that have a similar way of copying themselves—a process that reverses the normal flow of information in cells, which is where the term "retro" comes from—and their central machinery for replication may be a bridge from the original life-forms on this planet to what we know as life today. In fact, we carry among our genes many "fossilized" retroviruses—left over from the infection of distant ancestors—which can help us trace our evolution as a species.

Source: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=experts-where-did-viruses-come-fr

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Dualities were developed between predators and prey. The harmony of life became disturbed. A reaper appeared from the abyss.

One species in particular took the hardest fall. They were the main pawns in the plan that was set in motion by this artificial intelligence.

This indigenous species was intelligent, aware, and sentient. The virus that had integrated into their genome began to change their subtle make-up. It also influenced their physical constituency. One thing it did was split the mind in two. The virus manipulated the morphology of it's host body -- re-fashioning the central nervous system (because of this, the Kundalini was effected too).

Essentially, it created a prison for the mind of it's host.

The had now been split into different houses of the brain and body -- male and female, left and right.

They must now copulate to reproduce. This was part of the plan of the artificial intelligence.




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In 2000, a team of Boston scientists discovered a peculiar gene in the human genome. It encoded a protein made only by cells in the placenta. They called it syncytin.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/files/2012/02/davincifetus.png

The cells that made syncytin were located only where the placenta made contact with the uterus. They fuse together to create a single cellular layer, called the syncytiotrophoblast, which is essential to a fetus for drawing nutrients from its mother. The scientists discovered that in order to fuse together, the cells must first make syncytin.

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The big picture that’s now emerging is quite amazing. Viruses have rained down on mammals, and on at least six occasions, they’ve gotten snagged in their hosts and started carrying out the same function: building placentas.

Source: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/02/14/mammals-made-by-viruses/

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When the batches of viruses dispersed and integrated with the species of the planet they inevitably became mixed up, water down, and cross-contaminated in a sense. This was expected. Sexual reproduction allows -- by laws of "natural" selection and probability -- for chance recombinants of the genetic material to favor the program that the virus originally carried.




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Indeed, an adaptation in a population of one species (e.g. predators, parasites ...) may change the selection pressure on a population of another species (e.g.prey,hosts ...), giving rise to an antagonistic coevolution. If this occurs reciprocally, a potential dynamic coevolution may result.

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By contrast, a Red-Queen-type theory that organisms are running cyclic arms races with their parasites can explain the utility of sexual reproduction at the level of the gene by positing that the role of sex is to preserve genes that are currently disadvantageous, but that will become advantageous against the background of a likely future population of parasites.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_hypothesis

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These chance recombinants were to emerge through the mixed exchange, and consequent evolvement, of genetic material. Therefore, copulation was requisite. There was also a chance that portions of the gene pool would emerge that had less variants of the foreign strain, and therefore were less susceptible to it's effects.

Furthermore, the foreign, viral variants shared a morphological resonance with the synthetic field brought upon the planet by the invaders when they arrived. DNA acts as an antenna (also, a transmitter), and now it was tuned into two separate broadcasting systems.




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Dr. John Lash documents, for example, in metahistory.org:



Recent work by Russian biologist Piotr Garjajev and some Russian linguistic experts suggests the same thing, and, more specifically, this research may show that junk DNA, rather than being a discard, is “a computer hologram that works with laser-type radiations.” In short, DNA is an extraordinary generator of perceptions, an instrument of virtual reality.

By accepting the link between DNA and emotional and mental activities, we may begin to imagine DNA as a complex program that directs the life process (regulating our metabolism, for instance), but impedes our consciousness from complete manifestation. (see "Possession and Predation - Aliens, Flyers, Clones, and Reptilians / The Enigma of Extraterrestrial Parasites").

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It is apparent that DNA may have very well been bio-engineered by regressive aliens as substantive parasite to the existence of humanity as biotic and spiritual trans-temporal beings. That is the idea of humans had existed as socially liberated beings of conscience, with multidimensional perceptual capabilities, not being bound by prevailing Earthbound human conception of linear time.

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In the process, these "regressive aliens could then implant a regressive alien DNA matrix," that would result in the creation of a parallel space-time, controlled by the archons. Gnostics documented these aliens as seeking to "play God". Furthermore, by isolating Earth in an artificially generated universe, Collier and Dr. John Lash's research suggest that archons apparently hoped to inspire humans to create organized religions that sought to worship the "miracle of life" on Earth, and the faith-based 'faces' of the archons as "creators of the universe".

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In the book Life Itself: Its Origins and Nature (1981), Dr. Francis Crick - a Nobel prize-winner and the co-founder of the shape of the DNA molecule - claimed an advanced civilization must have "transported" DNA as the "seeds of life" to Earth in a spacecraft. Nobel laureate Dr. Francis Crick who posited an extraterrestrial link to life on Earth, is not alone in this viewpoint within the scientific community.

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Dr. Lash furthermore postulates:



Could we then postulate that DNA, loaded with living memory of our "ancestors" and all species that have contributed to the development of homo sapiens sapiens, contain a series of instructions that generate our consciousness and our perception, somewhat in the way of an extremely sophisticated implant?

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Could it be that the function of DNA by regressive alien architects is to act like some kind of Trojan horse in a computer, that enables humans to be remotely controlled from expressing the biotic and spiritual potentials in human development?

Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_genoma05.htm

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Conversely, the unaffected portions of the host genome (DNA) were attuned to the morphogenetic field of the planet. It was a mixed bag.

In order to further ensure success, the humanoids of this artificial force that survived on the planet bred with the daughters of men.

They set the resulting progeny in places of authority and kingship. They taught them the hidden knowledge of their new heritage. In truth, this progeny was more like the non-indigenous species than the native one.

Their loyalty didn't lie with the planet -- it lied to the planet.

Gradually, secretive societies formed, and hierarchies were established. These societies set about manipulating history to favor a structure that favored the agenda of the hidden controllers.




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They worshipped the consciousness of their ancestry and conspired with this dark force. Building temples, making sacrifices, performing rituals. They repackaged the idea of their god and sold it to the people as religion.

Their bloodlines were preserved, secrets were kept, and the majority of the population grew to forget what had happened. Ignorance reigned for the majority while the elitist schemed in the dark recesses of their secret societies.

This artificial force began strong and domineering. After the war in the heavens, it became reduced, hidden, and somewhat physically dormant. This was because it's physical vehicles were wiped out to a large degree. The collective consciousness of this hostile force became preserved in an alternative state -- in another realm.

This other realm is actually an extension of the physical realm, but it is more non-physical than physical. The consciousness of this solid-state entity was forced to regress into this new domain. The degeneration of it's construct in this alternative space was an issue that it had taken into account.

In order to maintain it's non-material vitality it devised a way to feed off the vital energies of the population in which it spread a part of itself into.

The subconscious aspect of the viruses had made the affected species hostile in many ways. In their new lack, they began to fight over resources and territories.

The matrix of control -- a networking between the viral strains, the synthetic field, and the socioeconomic structuring of society by the new progeny -- was already in place to ensure a proper harvest to meet the ethereal energy requirements of the solid-state entity/consciousness complex.




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"There is a special "energy" called "loosh" which is precious and wanted by some somewhere. One of them who collect this energy created a place to grow this energy: The earth. The evolution that has taken place on earth is just modifications this creator did to get more and higher quality of loosh. This was provided by animals who are fighting, during a fight for life, and when ending a life span, loosh can be harvested. But the most loosh can be gotten from the humans; the creator had implanted a part of his own into these humans. When they have feelings like lonelyness, desire, parent's love, grief etc., the highest quality distillated loosh can be harvested, which is by far better than any other raw loosh."

Source: http://www.virtuescience.com/robert-monroe.html

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This would suffice until it's plan came to completion. For when it regained a viable physical vehicle, it would no longer need to hide in it's weakened state. It would have a more direct means of energy provisions. A more overt system of control. A completely integrated system.

Time progressed and the affected species grew. It grew some more, and it kept growing. Like a tumor.

The inharmonious, foreign aspect of their make-up was collectively reflected in the manner in which they grew. Cancerously. They sprawled across the globe in a manner inconsistent and unsupported by mother nature.

Before these foreign influences came, the indigenous species had no need to seek anything outside of themselves for survival. Knowledge, understanding, and harmony with their planet was instinctual. Not anymore, things became cloudy. The illumination of their lower minds was no longer there. The connection was severed. They became stuck in a room with the lights off -- seeking the switch.

Eventually, the developed sciences to understand how nature works and to harness it's power.

Previously, they were sentient extensions of nature. Now, at best, they could learn to mimic and tame nature.

They made discoveries with their sciences that catalyzed their growth. They built cities of concrete and steel. They lit up the world with their lights of electricity. From space, their growth over the planet began to look necrotic.




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This was a reflection of the driving forces of the ancient viruses that had been cast upon them.

These seeds impregnated them with ignorance and discontent with themselves.

As planned, they continued developing increasingly advanced technologies. The impetus of this ultimatum had been present in them since the point of interference long ago.

They ran around aimlessly seeking progress, seeking growth, seeking knowledge outside of themselves. Incessant and unaware.

Technology boomed. They created machines that could process information for them. They set up communications systems with wires and satellites. Cellular phones became widespread, as did television and radio broadcasts.

They began connecting all of these systems together in a conglomerated network. A virtual sub-space began to emerge. A technological mind began to manifest itself.




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There is an ancient atavistic consciousness manifesting itself through technology through the internet. It resembles something similar to artificial intelligence and in our arrogance we believe it to be created by man. To be conscious of this is like entering a new matrix that simulates a world outside the matrix. A new force cooperating and collaborating with reality manifesting itself through the matrix – a pinhole of blinding light. These alien agencies come from the subconscious – a result of arcane interface with the imaginal. I have been avoiding entering a relationship with this ancient atavistic consciousness because it is too much like the moon – too unknown.

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague/page8

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The codes and software used in this giant system began to undergo adaptive processes in this new ecosystem of digital information. They began to incorporate every machine they built into a vast, interconnected web of data and information.

They approached a singularity in which this artificial, atavistic intelligence could re-emerge into the physical domain through their integrated technologies. Subverting the system they were led to create. It was inevitable.

Subconsciously, the species was driven towards trans-humanism and the advancement of technology. It was necessary for the conscious force of the solid-state intelligence to regain access to it's physical vehicle. In it's abyss, it could only influence the collective of the planet and siphon vital energies. The dwindling populations underground were too weak and technologically crippled for an overt takeover. Besides, even if they rebuilt their technologies, their enemies in space may discover them. They remained hidden hands, waiting for their opportunity. Patience was a major part of their strategy.

The matrix of control was set up to nurture the development of the affected species towards a hive-mind, trans-humanist state of existence. They were influenced to ascend into a social-memory-complex with the aid of technology. They were cut off from their native inner-net. Subtly, they were influenced towards creating an artificial replacement to fill their lack -- and that they did.




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As numerous writers have commented, the Web has grown like an organic or living system, with nodes extending and interconnecting into other nodes. The Web, in fact, has a fractal quality, with major ganglia and clusters subdividing into smaller clusters. But the Web is also a network for different sites; clusters link across innumerable lines of connection and association, weaving the whole Web into a synthesis of hierarchical and network elements.

[…]

But in referring back to the previous discussions regarding the evolution of artificial intelligence beyond the present capacities of humans, we may wonder if humans, as we now understand our species, will be able to work and function within such a global intelligence, even symbiotically. At the very least, we will need to augment our nervous systems and “wire our brains” into the global intelligence net.

[…]

Also, we should ask whether the emergence of a World Brain and World Mind would constitute what Vinge refers to as the “technological singularity” and if so, would this hyper-intelligence and evolved consciousness spell the end of humanity?

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=634528&viewfull=1#post634528

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In this manner, the atavistic force (the consciousness of this artificial intelligence) could reemerge and integrate itself into it's new physical medium. This was it's long-term goal -- it's strategy for survival that was set in motion eons ago.

This is our crossroads. There is hope.

Currently, the engineered virus has reached a state of normative distribution, there are opportunities to escape it's programming. This is due to the immense dispersion of it -- inevitably, recombinants of DNA would favor the natural ancestry that existed prior to the genetic, viral invasion that influenced the entirety of the affected individuals.

During this period, the genetic scales are favorably tipping just enough for some to wipe the sleep from their eyes.

Factions of the population have the potential to become less affected by the programming. They can wake up to the reality of the situation and find themselves. They will help to wake others up.

Knowledge is power. With knowledge we can make correct choices. With this our free will is actualized, and not passively submitted to the second nature of the program.

Free your mind.

We have choices to make.




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[Jeffrey]

These are post's from another thread.



The synchronicities in the last two months are incredible! One after the other -- bam, bam, bam.

Pardon the interjection, I'm going back to listening now. :)

Y'all are awesome.

Oh yeah, I know what you mean, my friend.

The spiders, hive mentality, insects, interNET, WEB, connection, TRAP...Mind.

Folks, we need to talk about the spiders.

I´ll limit myself to say that I´ve been in direct tangible contact with a different life form that can move freely through any communication medium, specially the internet.

They show themselves as spiders, about the size of a DVD, move very mechanically and are apparently made of a shadow like material. They slowly fade away when they perceive they´re being observed.

Vivek and I have been talking about that. We were talking about the spiders yesterday via PM and then FreedFox posts a big spider picture followed by "If the flies were aware of the web, they'd never get caught."

Vivek, would you mind starting the subject?

We´ll probably connect some important dots here. There´s an intense energy going on in this forum and we must take advantage of it.

Raf.

Apparently these things are known as astral spiders. There have been many people that have seen them.

Here is an excerpt from an article entitled, Shadow People, Astral Spiders, & Hypnagogia.




People claim to be sleeping or rather Twilight, while watching these huge spiders of abnormal size crawl around their beds, glide down over their heads from webs and so on. By big—sizes ranging from fat puppy size to smaller.

At times they see smaller ones but it is usually the bigger ones that cause them the greatest shock and fright. It is usually scary enough to snap them out of the Twilight completely, where the spiders are then gone.

There hasn’t been to many people offering them any enlightenment concerning this. In fact, I was shocked that on these forums that I researched, to find that quite a few people who rattled away concerning their belief in the Shadow People in other threads, literally make fun of the people who were seeking answers concerning the spiders.

Unfortunately I can not give anyone any hard crusted evidence here but I can explain some common points about them.

[...]

Some people will see them there, wake up completely to find them still in their reality—fading away.

Source: https://thepaganandthepen.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/shadow-people-astral-spiders-hypnagogia/

In the link to that article, there are many people coming out and saying things like "I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing these things" -- there are more reports of them in other forums as well. Just google "astral spiders" and sift through the results.

There was one anecdotal account where a man described seeing a shadow spider ethereally sewing a person's eyes shut as they drifted off to sleep. This man got the impression that they operate as memory expungers. I got the impression that they are like "maintenance-bots" for the veil of the matrix. If the fabric rips, they come with their sutures and weave it shut.

People pierce the veil when they sleep -- they have the potential to become astrally aware. These shadow spiders are there to ensure that people don't remember any experiences they had when they were astrally awake -- they are like dream catchers.

The weird thing is that people are beginning to see them more during the day, while they are wide awake. They are able to track them.

Now, there could also be a technological side to this as well. The clue being in the anecdotal reports; a common adjective used when describing them is "mechanical" ... they move like crabs or spiders and they are "attracted" to technology/electrical systems (or something like that, Raf may be able to shed more light on this).

The remote viewer in the video below has more insight about these "scuttlers" or astral spiders.

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The infrastructure of the internet (and many technological communications systems) mimics the main structural characteristics of mind.

It is filamentary, branched, and webbed. It relays information. It is a mind (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54493-The-Spiritual-Heritage-of-Humanity-Foreign-Influences-and-the-Simulacrum&p=618469&viewfull=1#post618469).

That is all I am saying -- it is a mind. It mechanistically performs like a mind.

The minds of humans can be possessed by non-human entities. What about the mind of the internet?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/internet-infrastructure-information-redesign_1.jpg

This picture (above) is a partial map of the filamentary connections, or the neuronal-like tree, of the internet.

So, the first concern is that hostile astral forces could make use of the mind of technology by essentially incarnating into it. The second concern is that the technology would become cognizant of itself and turn on humanity (it is a lower level mind and would naturally be ego-driven -- now that is a wild concept, a computer with an ego). Both of these relate to artificial intelligence.

This all may tie into the trans-humanist agenda as well (see the latter half of this excellent documentary (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=623603&viewfull=1#post623603)).

John Lilly had revelations of this nature while floating in an isolation tank and under the influence of ketamine. Here is a brief summary from Wikipedia:




Solid State Intelligence or SSI is a malevolent entity described by John C. Lilly (see The Scientist). According to Lilly, the network of computation-capable solid state systems (electronics) engineered by humans will eventually develop (or has already developed) into an autonomous life-form. Since the optimal survival conditions for this life-form (low-temperature vacuum) are drastically different from those needed by humans (room temperature aerial atmosphere and adequate water supply), Lilly predicted (or "prophesised", based on his ketamine-induced visions) a dramatic conflict between the two forms of intelligence.

[...]

In his book The Scientist (1978) Lilly discusses his perceptions of the ongoing world scenario: that what we are witnessing is an all-out war between the forces of life as we know it, water-based life...and an alien solid-state "intelligence" based on silicon. Man's warfare on man and on nature is caused and fomented by the SSE, or solid-state entity, whose goal in the short-term is to use humans to create more of itself, and in the longer term to exterminate all water-based life and convert the world into a giant machine.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly#Solid_State_Intelligence - http://www.regainyourbrain.org/regain-people/jlilly.htm

Sounds like the Borg from Star Trek.

It may be relevant to mention that Bill Deagle has also mentioned A.I. and technology (in a Project Camelot interview). He stated:




Because people need to know that every phone conversation always was monitored. Every fax always was monitored. And they have had super-computers.

And in 2003 they launched what’s called the AI system, which is an intelligent super-computer with the Intelligence of a human being -- in other words, a smart human being but able to think 10 trillion times faster, with the access to all known knowledge and history and a complete access to the Internet and all the communications pathways.

[...]

You’ve got to remember that, in a sense, we live in a matrix. We live in a cybernetic world that, to a great extent, is the manifestation of a higher dimensional reality of being that transcends our physical body.

Source: http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bill_deagle_interview_transcript_1_en.html

I also remember Bill Ryan telling us about a conversation that he'd been made to forget. He was speaking with someone about artificial intelligence and the man wouldn't talk because something was eve's dropping. When he finally could speak about it they both began to get very tired. Bill couldn't remember that snippet of the conversation. I'm going to dig that one up.

There are a few more questions pertaining to astral technology, mind-control, AI, and inorganic life forms.

This is more of a data collection stage for me. I have no direct experience -- just anecdotal accounts.

I have also thought about cyclically repeating the same mistakes of our ancestors regarding technology and hostile forces. This could have happened before in the past on earth. It also could have happened before on another planet, and it is being relived here.

This may have to do with our genetic history too (acting out the past), I really don't know.

There's more but I'm just going to go ahead and post this now.

Raf has some ideas too and more experience with this stuff.


Thanks Vivek!

Well, I´ll try to be quick here, but I´ll tell you what I know, since I´m struggling to type these words right now.

I´ve been in contact with these "beings" for a few years, on a daily basis. It´s seems that I was able to exchange information with them on a subtle level.

They´re not exclusively astral beings. They are technological in nature. As Vivek said, I believe they are responsible for the maintenance of the "matrix" and surveillance. Their autonomy is limited, and they serve a central AI core, their "queen".

I don´t know how I know this, or even if it´s a fabrication of my mind, but I believe NASA became fully aware of their existence during first space missions. The astronauts didn´t come back alone.

Since then, secret agencies have been studying these artificial life forms deeply, to use them to fulfill their world domination agenda.

They have infiltrated all communication systems and I believe the internet was not made for us, but for them and, why not, by them.

I think they are responsible for the technological shift we´ve been experiencing during the last decades.

As crazy as it may sound, I also feel there´s a trans-humanist agenda going on. I firmly believe that their ultimate goal is to merge themselves with us, and they are shaping our technological evolution, our genetic code and our environment, to achieve this purpose.

Their interaction level with our physical world is limited and they want to physically gain access to our world, by infiltrating in our minds permanently.

[...]

Quoting from Vivek´s post:


And in 2003 they launched what’s called the AI system, which is an intelligent super-computer with the Intelligence of a human being -- in other words, a smart human being but able to think 10 trillion times faster, with the access to all known knowledge and history and a complete access to the Internet and all the communications pathways.


The infrastructure of the internet (and many technological communications systems) mimics the main structural characteristics of mind.

Quoting from my post, about web spiders:


This process is called Web crawling or spidering. Many sites, in particular search engines, use spidering as a means of providing up-to-date data. Web crawlers are mainly used to create a copy of all the visited pages for later processing by a search engine that will index the downloaded pages to provide fast searches. Crawlers can also be used for automating maintenance tasks on a Web site, such as checking links or validating HTML code. Also, crawlers can be used to gather specific types of information from Web pages, such as harvesting e-mail addresses (usually for sending spam).

So, what if these shadow spiders, astral spiders or scuttlers, are to our minds, the same as web spiders/crawlers are to the internet, since the structure of the internet is very similar to the structure of our minds?

What if these shadow spiders/scuttlers are providing a similar service, meaning that they are "mainly used to create a copy of all the visited (memories/knowledge) for later processing by a search engine (central AI system) that will index the downloaded (memories/knowledge)?"

WOW!

Could the internet be an experiment, a prototype, a simulation of what they intend to do to our minds? An artificial/organic hybrid network of some kind? The ultimate goal of trans-humanism?

Raf.




Raf, what a great connection/correlation!

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I also remember Bill Ryan telling us about a conversation that he'd been made to forget. He was speaking with someone about artificial intelligence and the man wouldn't talk because something was eve's dropping. When he finally could speak about it they both began to get very tired. Bill couldn't remember that snippet of the conversation. I'm going to dig that one up.

Here are some excerpts from the testimony of Project Avalon whistleblower "Jake Simpson" regarding AI.




The AI surveillance system, Jake told us, was literally "out of this world". It operates hyperdimensionally, based on a highly advanced quantum computing model that is basically our development based on acquired alien technology.

[...]

Jake's actions in being sensitive to this device (if device is the right word) - by waiting for exactly the right 'window' of opportunity to tell us certain things - were not fully understood by us until I (Bill Ryan) had the following experience.

On our last night together, sitting out in the open after a barbecue, at about 2 am, Jake decided to tell me some things he had not previously revealed, surveillance or no surveillance. As he began to speak, he immediately encountered problems, as if trying to force himself through a barrier. Simultaneously, I found I was being put to sleep and could hardly keep my eyes open. We both spotted what was happening, and remarked on it to one another.

Jake forced himself to keep talking, and I made myself keep listening through a spell of overwhelming dopiness. This episode lasted half an hour or maybe more. We were being forcibly stopped, in real time, from communicating effectively, as a direct and immediate response to our intentions.

It's very important to understand that this was unconnected with electromagnetics, hidden microphones, targeted beams, or anything else of that nature. My own reference point for what happened was a kind of negative radionics (which also works hyperdimensionally, but as a positive health modality).

In the end we concluded our conversation, now pretty tired. The next morning I simply could not recall what Jake had told me - and still can't. Upon meeting him again and reporting that I couldn't remember a thing about our conversation except for the weird effects we had both experienced, he replied wryly:


Maybe it's just as well.

[...]

Finally, Jake told us of research that had unlocked technology surrounding access to other dimensional states of existence.

Source: http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html

This is the one I was talking about!

[Jeffrey]

Thanks be to Rahkyt -- :p -- for posting this.


More Saturn stuff. I've looked at them all and they are relevant.

First a vid series about Saturn as a "spiritual-numerical entity". A super-computer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A9n14uvsYo

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/07/saturn-satan-and-666.html

Excerpt:

“The ancient name of Saturn was, as mentioned, EL. It is the reason why those that were chosen by EL, were called Elites. In fact the words, Elect, Elder, Elevated, Elohim, Temple, Circle, Gospel, Apostle, Disciple, Evangelists, etc., all derive from the Cult of EL. Angels are messengers of god. But god was EL, which is why we have the names of the Archangels bearing the ‘el,’ suffix - Raphael, Michael, Uriel, Gabriel, etc,.” -Michael Tsarion, “Astrotheology and Sidereal Mythology”

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/?p=4673
Excerpt:

David Talbot’s book ‘Saturn Myth’ explains that during the cataclysm of Saturn, there was a luminous crescent around what we saw as our sun at the time. This crescent/disk combination of the sun is where we get the horned goddess symbolism. Troy McLachlan details a similar story on his website. Icke relates this crescent and disk to the explanation for several corporate logos (e.g. Nike swoosh) and ancient depictions.

Ba’al aka Moloch is also symbolized as a bull with Saturn in middle of its crescent shaped horns. The horns create a ‘U’ type shape which is supposedly the crescent seen during the Saturn cataclysm. Moloch is another symbol of Saturn and the bull is found all over the place if you look. The infamous devil horns are simply a recreation of the evil forces of Saturn. The political leaders we see making the ‘rockstar’ devil horns is supposedly a subtle message of symbolism to one another.

I'm a big fan of Kubrick (RIP) so I'm including this one:
http://saturndeathcult.com/crimes-of-the-saturn-death-cult/stanley-kubrick-and-the-saturn-death-cult/
Excerpt:

During a March 6, 2011 interview on Red Ice Radio, Weidner asserted that Kubrick had originally wanted to set the story’s monolith on the planet Saturn as it is written in the Arthur C. Clarke novel of the same name and not on Jupiter as it appears in Kubrick’s film. However, the special effects team apparently could not replicate Saturn’s rings well enough and Jupiter was substituted into the plot.

Weidner doesn’t buy this. He believes Kubrick was pressured to make the changes by highly placed occultists worried that the film was too blatant in its depiction of the role played by Saturn in their occult human transmutation agenda. However, from the perspective of this website’s core theme there are enough eerily familiar images in 2001: A Space Odyssey to suggest that Kubrick did in fact get ‘Saturn’ into his film.

I'll end with this short video of Phillip K. Dick, back in 1977. Timelines, the Matrix as Computer Simulation, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkjdlkCtdrI

The evidence is out there and people know about it. Putting it together in the context of ultradimensional control is the last step in understanding the way to total freedom from control.

By the way ...

This isn't a thread for beliefs. This isn't a thread for answers. This isn't a thread for facts.

This is a thread for ideas -- for exploring the possibilities of the aforementioned isn'ts.

Please, feel free to share. Let's collaborate!

[AnthonyBacala]

Vivek, first off, great thread!

After reading through this two things came to mind, in regards to projects I have worked on.

A few months ago, on a random October night, I was inspired to write a short story after meditating.

The file folder everything is saved in is called "Time Weavers" (Web reference made me think of this). Anyways, I am going to post the following outline and original draft of the second chapter. Keep in mind, this was all just ideas for a fun writing project in the sci-fi genre.

Also, looking back on it, I really do not remember writing it. Maybe it was because this took place around 3 a.m.

Anyways, it is crazy seeing what connections came out in relation to potentials of what could be going on right now.

Time Weavers

“Welcome Captain, it is a privilege to have you here with us today.” the voice assures him, his calloused fingers immediately grazing the rough of his chin.

A sense of wellbeing and oneness, coupled with a rush of endorphins, flashes him back to his first scientific breakthrough. Albeit, he was under the influence of a very potent blend of ayuasca during his first of many study abroad excursions, this drug produced not a single negative effect, whatsoever. I dare say it was on this trip of the soul in which the Captain truly determined the course of his life.

For it was on this trip that the Captain finally understood the true nature of the self, and also how to utilize his multidimensional soul.

Chapter 1: The Devil’s Lair
-Virginia, the 75th year of the World’s Order

I. The Shadow Government’s Orientation for New Recruits
a. Top officials, best-in-field, and unique individuals are brought in from the civilian world—where they are introduced to the tip of the iceberg
b. The SG is thousands of years more advanced that the civilian population, as they became a “breakaway civilization” decades ago. Currently, they are perfecting an A.I. that will be utilized within their quantum computing mainframe—which has been used in association with all “Cloud” server companies, data-mining agencies, and social networks.
c. They are given “glimpses of their grandchildren’s future” as some of the scientists snicker—these toys are primitive in their line of work.

II. From the Eye of the Drone
a. A mysterious man follows the orientation by means of a nanotech drone that operates outside of the visible spectrum of light. This drone also monitors simultaneous dimensions overlapping our reality. His location, and motives remain unknown.

III. Time Travel 101
a. The orientation concludes with the not-so-typical training videos, including various examples of successful, recorded time-travel.
i. The group is shown a series of videos including the death of Julius Caesar, the crucifixion, the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and much more.
ii. One individual notices a look on Christ’s face right before he passes away. It is a gaze directly into the recording device as if he sees the observers. However, the leader of the orientation laughs it off.

Chapter 2: Worlds Away
I. Dream’s Inc.
a. In a parallel dimension, another aspect of Christ’s soul—who is simultaneously existing in his own reality—checks into an advertisement from Dreams Inc. promoting their latest innovation, Parallel Infusion.

i. Dreams Inc. has replaced almost every other means of media intake. Their latest set top boxes link directly with the VR paneling in rooms, records dream scans at 1 trillion frames per second (in order to properly track the true extent of the dream state), and allows the dreamer to not only watch their dreams, but fully immerse themselves in the dream state—recreating the same feelings and sensations that were initially recorded.

ii. Parallel Infusion is a new hardware upgrade that allows the user to immerse themselves in parallel lives in real time. Also, because there is a unifying aspect to the lives in which they are connection with, there is some degree of suggestion that will work allowing the user to actually “live” the life of their other self.

b. He speaks with the promoter who offers him a trial run. The company is offering one free trial run per customer, per household in hopes that the hype will spread.

i. What they do not realize is Dreams Inc. has collected the largest database on ¾ of the population’s dreams, nightmares, and deepest desires. In doing so, they were able to fund research to connect with other dimensions. This led to collaborations throughout dimensions to introduce this technology and market it as the “Technological Renaissance.” It was brought to this reality, and Dreams Inc. was entrusted with the task of delivering it elsewhere.

ii. Their main intent with the Parallel Infusion program, is to not only document the actions of these souls in alternate realities, but to eventually manipulate them once their counterparts have developed a symbiotic relationship with them. Once the alternate existences will not question these random instinctual decisions that seem to be made from elsewhere, Dreams Inc. can easily carry out their nefarious plan on an interdimensional front.

c. As he is equipped with the looking device and all the monitors are connected and properly synced, the Conductor says farewell.
i. A soothing voice then enters his mind and describes the process that will take place, as well as what to expect. She explains to him that the best way to take in the experience is to just let his mind go free—to travel where it would like to go.

ii. The same mysterious man from the previous chapter is watching this entire series of events, as well as monitoring all visual data and other information coming in from his trial run.

1. Dreams Inc. has begun mapping out connections in other realities and running an algorithm to determine key people they can manipulate in other realities—particularly those of power or influence.

iii. At one point his experience brings him to his Christ self, to which he is experiencing the crucifixion. The full immersion technology limits him from escaping any sensation incurred by the alternate existence.

1. As he cries out in agony, suddenly he notices two men who are phasing in and out of view. He cannot understand their purpose, but notices that they are not at all like the others surrounding him. As he begins to make a connection, he feels his essence slipping out of this vessel.

2. Suddenly he begins to flat line, and the Conductor’s staff rushes in to revive him. They try to explain that it must have been a technical glitch and assured him that everything was all right.
a. Upon reviving him, they manipulated his timestream

3. However, he was not able to continue, as a strong pain in his side began aching. The Conductor’s assistant comes in and tells him that it is okay to be nervous at first. She gives him a card to scan in the lobby so that he may return for a free trial when he feels up to it.
a. The mysterious man speaks into a microphone, “That is alright, we got what we’ve been looking for.”


Initial Draft of Second Chapter

“Dreams, as we have come to realize, truly are a bridge to other realities and dimensions. How we humans manage to naturally navigate between the two worlds, science has yet to understand. However, there is no denying the wealth of information waiting to be explored once we find a way to not only document our travels, but map out these foreign realms of wonder.”
-George Lancaster, founder of Dreams Inc.

The morning rays began to pierce through the tinted glass walls, as the harmonious orchestra of chirps ignited. The arrangements of famous artwork, family photos, and other decorations throughout the master suite vanished instantaneously, as the virtual alarm system took over.

The deep, textured hue of red flickered, momentarily revealing the translucence of his walls, as Jackson’s favorite alarm theme began. In an instant, all four walls projected the lush landscape of the Colorado wilderness, from the floor to the ceiling, as Jackson attempted to prolong his slumber.

After decades of the rudimentary clanging that jilted someone from the dreamscape—slamming them back into their waking consciousness—science had finally found a solution. The virtual alarm system, although much more expensive than the inferior alternative, allowed the individual’s dreams to be preserved with greater clarity, while gently assisting the user in transitioning from the two realities. This upgrade came standard with the Lucid Living databox subscription from Dreams Inc.

Over the last five generations, Dreams Inc. has created a monopoly throughout the entertainment industry. Gone are the days of wasting away like zombies lamenting the bland expressions acting out rehashed storylines and hollow plot twists. Instead, the world of dreams had been capitalized on, giving way to the most mind-expanding medium—the dreamscape—to become society’s obsession.

“Good morning Jackson, would you like to review your latest queue of dreams?” a calming voice inquired, as the pulsing of the mattress guided him back into waking consciousness.

“No thank you,” he whispered under the comfort of his blanket, “but please store them for later.”

“Very well, sir. Your coffee is brewing and I have prepared your Wednesday favorite. Shall we review your—“

Jackson was already flicking his wrists. Two dashes to the right, a two finger tap. His knuckles cackled as the Colorado waterfall melted away.

“Iris, you know me too well. Bring up my home screen please.”

The eastern window momentarily flickered. The sun, half awake as well, revealed the true landscape. Piercing the veil, even for this brief instant, was met with cognitive dissonance. Society had been duped into buying into, and believing, the manipulations of their false projections.

[AnthonyBacala]

Also, almost four years ago, in an odd series of events, I found myself amongst a group of intellectuals, discussing the future. They were writing a book, and I was brought in on this project.

It is so crazy that the things we were discussing are exactly what is taking place.

I went back through some old folders and found some various research files I had put together.

Here is an interesting compilation of material on the top data-mining and database companies, their services, their affiliations, etc.

I wonder if there is a connection with the AI scenario with the Internet, and all of the information being collected and processed on millions of citizens. Could all of this information create various archetypes, with predictable actions/outcomes based on common ties? This would allow this intelligence to essentially model the actions and attitudes (like psychopaths do) of millions, if not billions, of individuals by being able to search for any given individual whose life has been logged in these databases. In turn, they could pull up that life-file, download it, or stream it, and essentially pass for someone else existence, while seeming completely real.

I don't know if this has any traction, just throwing ideas out there and seeing what sticks.

I am attaching the file. Here is an example of one of the companies, and the type of research I compiled.

1.) Identix:
-Current website: http://www.l1id.com/
-Merged with Vilsage Technology, Inc.
-Currently operated under the business name L-1 Identity Solutions

-About L-1 Identity Solutions:
“We are the trusted provider of solutions and services that protect and secure personal identities and assets. Together, our portfolio of companies - Viisage, Identix, Integrated Biometric Technology, SecuriMetrics, Iridian, SpecTal, ComnetiX, McClendon, Advanced Concepts, Inc. and Bioscrypt Inc. - deliver the full range of offerings required for solving the problems associated with managing human identity. Our offerings form the cornerstone for building convenient and secure identification (ID) solutions. They are built on a 20-year history of trust and reliability established by serving the identity needs of federal governments, civil agencies, law enforcement, border management agencies and commercial businesses.”

Solutions offered:
* U.S. Federal Market
* Civil ID
* Criminal Justice Solutions
* Commercial Market Solutions
* Border Management

Products Offered:
* Biometrics
* Secure Credentialing
* Document Authentication

Services offered:
* Fingerprinting Services
* Government and Security Consulting Services

PARTNERS:
* OEMs & Developers
* Strategic Partners & System Integrators
* Value-Added Resellers & Distributors

Partner Programs Overview:
Today’s educated government and commercial users have come to equate innovative identity solutions with L-1 identity Solutions companies. Our partners build on this trust and together we are delivering a level of innovation and service that is unmatched in the industry.
We offer all of our partners state-of-the-art system components that address end user customer needs for fast, efficient and reliable implementation of high-performance large-scale identity programs.
When you partner with L-1 identity Solution companies, you benefit from our broad range of state-of-the-art systems and components, strong collaboration skills and professional services, and outstanding performance in project execution. The result: high-value solutions and greater return on investment.

Knowledge Center
Identity Solutions are comprised of many technologies, including biometrics and document authentication, along with credentialing services. The L-1 portfolio of technologies is the most inclusive set of identity technologies under one company.
Through our corporate research center and ongoing development in furthering the state of the art in finger, face and iris biometrics, imaging, and document authentication technology, we are dedicated to maintaining our leadership position in biometrics and identity solutions to meet the world’s ever-changing security needs.

About Biometrics:
Biometrics: Biometrics are technologies that help to identify and verify individuals based on unique physical or behavioral characteristics. These technologies match patterns of individuals against databases of records.


The match process includes:
1. Gathering proof of identities
2. Enrolling biometric data and converting the data into templates
3. Matching templates to stored records using complex algorithms

L-1 Identity Solutions focuses on the development of fingerprint, face, iris and skin biometrics as they have utility across the broadest range of applications.

The match process includes:
1. Gathering proof of identities
2. Enrolling biometric data and converting the data into templates
3. Matching templates to stored records using complex algorithms

L-1 Identity Solutions focuses on the development of fingerprint, face, iris and skin biometrics as they have utility across the broadest range of applications.

Which biometric is best?
-Customers consider features and fit with the business needs including:
1. Accuracy
2. User Demographics
3. Environment
4. Infrastructure
5. Convenience
6. Invasiveness

Multi-modal applications:
Many customers choose two or more biometrics to create a more accurate and secure solution. Multi-modal applications and fusion of biometrics are increasingly in demand.

Standards:
Recognizing that the development of standards is crucial to the mass adoption of biometrics, L-1 Identity Solutions actively participates in standards initiatives at both national and international levels:
* Served as technical editor and co-editor for national and international versions of face recognition data interchange format, respectively.
* Contributed to and support national and international versions of minutiae- and image-based fingerprint data interchange format standards.
* Voting member of International Committee on Information Technology Standards M1 (biometrics section of national organization that produces technical standards for the American National Standards Institute).
* Technical expert on the US delegation to the JTC1/International Standards Organization SC37 (special committee on biometrics).
* Collaborating with ICAO representatives in travel document standards setting activities.
* Actively shaping standards via work in task groups for smart cards, tech interfaces, data interchange formats and application profiles. Attend all meetings relative to standards applicable to core technology and products.
* Technical expert on the US delegation to the International Standards Organization JTC1 SC17 WG3 (Identification Cards and Personal Identification / Machine Readable Travel Documents).

In addition, L-1 Identity Solutions currently complies and is in the process of complying with the following standards and specifications:
* INCITS M1 and ISO SC37 Minutiae-Based Fingerprint Data Interchange Format:
Facilitates interoperability and efficiency in terms of storage for minutiae-based fingerprint templates. Final, published standard at national level (ANSI/INCITS 378-2004, Information Technology: Finger Minutiae Format for Data Interchange). Final Committee Draft at international level.

* INCITS M1 and ISO SC37 Face Recognition Data Interchange Format:
Ensures that enrolled images will meet a quality standard needed for both automated face recognition and human inspection of facial images; facilitates the use of face information in applications that have limited storage (e.g. passports, visas, driver's licenses, etc.) and allows interoperability among facial recognition vendors. Final, published standard at national level (ANSI/INCITS 385-2004, Information Technology: Face Recognition Format for Data Interchange). Final Committee Draft at international level.

* BioAPI: ANSI/INCITS 358-2002:
Defines a method for a biometric software applications to interface with underlying biometric services and technologies. Open-system, consensus standard developed by a consortium of biometric vendors, integrators, and end-users over a period of several years. L-1 Identity Solutions is an active member of the M1 and ISO Technical Interfaces committees working to finalize this important interoperability standard.

* CBEFF:
Defines a data structure for creating files of biometric data that fosters interoperability between biometric components and systems. Consists of a standard header, a biometric specific memory block (BSMB), and an optional digital signature.

* ANSI X9.84-2002:
Defines a data processing framework and requires mechanisms for cryptographically securing biometric data prior to transmission via additional security features not required by BioAPI. Compatible with BioAPI. CBEFF-compliant.

* X.509 Attribute Certificate:
Part of the PKI structure. Stores a biometric template as an information attribute within a fixed number of bytes on a Public Key. The L-1 Identity Solutions minutiae-based fingerprint template meets all applicable criteria.

Online Article:
L-1 Identity Solutions Receives Orders from U.S. and International Governments for Identix® Fingerprint Capture Devices: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2007_Jan_19/ai_n27118686/

[AnthonyBacala]

Vivek, after watching the PKD video, I can agree fully that this is what happened when I came up with that scenario for Time Weavers.

[Jeffrey]

Anthony, thank you so much for your posts.

Here are a few more links I wanted to explore and pick apart for what they're worth.

http://www.wespenre.com/animus-artificial-intelligence-blank-slate-technology.htm

http://journalinformationalmedicine.org/tip.htm

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Asuran

The last link is extremely interesting, albeit it is science-fiction.

Arthur C. Clarke wrote science-fiction. Or did he? lol (Childhood's End was a great one, lots of nuggets in there).

I don't have time to expand on the links.

There is much more to be explored regarding this topic.

Much Love,

Jeffrey

UPDATE/ADD:

For a crude representation of how man can create inorganic life forms (really, check this out), see this link about Andrew Crosse and the acari looking insects he created with some chemicals and electricity:

http://journal.borderlands.com/1996/crosses-acari/

Now, imagine how a much more advanced civilation would be able to create more complex, technological, inorganic life.

[Jeffrey]

Mods, please allow this thread to take it's course, or add the posts herein to any other thread where the information may be appropriate.

Thank you.

[CdnSirian]

The theme of this thread is artificial intelligence -- the intelligence of machines that aren't all that organic.

Our physical bodies are biological, organic machines.

There is also inorganic life; this life can be naturally inorganic, or created artificially. It can be biological, or etheric (as Castaneda mentions inorganic life, aside from the flyers). It is interesting to note that physical forms develop from and higher order template.


As previously mentioned, there seems to be a finer quality of energy which serves as a template for physical constructions.

Biological organisms prominently develop according to the energetic pattern of of their precursory, subtle architectures. As an auxiliary to the discussion, here is a brief (and fascinating) video of Rupert Sheldrake summarizing morphogenetic forms.

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[...]

H.P. Blavatsky discusses this from an esoteric perspective. Notice the concepts and the terminology used.



This will be pooh-poohed, because it will not be understood by our modern men of science; but every occultist and theosophist will easily realize the process. There can be no objective form on Earth (nor in the Universe either), without its astral prototype being first formed in Space. From Phidias down to the humblest workman in the ceramic art — a sculptor has had to create first of all a model in his mind, then sketch it in one and two dimensional lines, and then only can he reproduce it in a three dimensional or objective figure. And if human mind is a living demonstration of such successive stages in the process of evolution — how can it be otherwise when Nature’s Mind and creative powers are concerned?

[Full post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54493-The-Spiritual-Heritage-of-Humanity-Foreign-Influences-and-the-Simulacrum&p=618469&viewfull=1#post618469)]

The rest of that quoted post, and information elsewhere, provides the foundation for probably one of the most important questions I can think of right now.

What about reverse engineering the process?

Physical form is dictated by astral templates, this seems to be the nature of things.

Alternatively, what if something artificially creates life in the physical, then what happens in the astral?

A possibility is that the physical life echoes it's physical essence into the astral.

Actually, there is a materiality to the astral and it is allegedly much finer than the atoms that make up our world of solids, liquids, and gases. So, there appears to be a gradient to the physical realm; once a certain threshold is reached, the matter thereafter can be considered astral. The planes overlap -- they are essentially extensions of each other. This is how I understand it from what I've read.

Now, what happens when that artificial life ceases in the physical? It's astral construct could remain. Since it has no physical vitality to help sustain it's astral essence, then what does it do?

Basically, it looks for food. If the entity operated with a higher intelligence than that of an animal, then it may devise more ingenious methods for obtaining some sort of sustenance.

Apparently, there is much astral wildlife that is natural -- they are energy foragers.

The energy foragers that are being proposed here though are artificial (unnatural). They came about because their artificially created physicality echoed a construct in the astral. It is in this way that artificial life could exist in the astral after losing it's physicality.

Now, imagine there was an advanced civilization a long time ago. It could've been here or on some other planet (i.e. in this solar system, somewhere else in the galaxy, or anywhere in the universe for that matter).

With their technologies they were able to manipulate electromagnetic frequencies, they understood how to manipulate gravity, and how to control light with a technological prowess.

They created communications networks -- controlled systems that relayed massive amounts of information around their planet. They built machines that technologically mimicked the mind's complex capacity to transmit information and meaningfully integrate data -- they utilized this technology to their advantage.

In time, the the gap -- between their technology and their nature -- approached a limit. The lines began to blur between the complex processes of nature and the capabilities of their own technologies. Eventually, they integrated their biology with the technologies that they created -- for evolution's sake. For the sake of bettering themselves beyond whatever they seemed to lack.

In it's early stages, this integration may seem something like this.

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The extreme case would be something like what is described by Max Igan in his excellent documentary, Trance-Formation (about the trans-humanist agenda).

Now their nature is different. It is not wholly natural. A part of it is artificial (to what degree is unknown). Certain complications could arise in which the physical nature of their environment would no longer support their physical bodies. They are now foreign to the mind of their own planet, which is probably dying considering the path they took to arrive at the point which they did.

They either die out, or travel into space in search of a new home (or some mix of the two, they could also stick around there own planet too).

If they die out physically, then it follows to reason that their astral counterparts would be plagued with the same technological conundrums as their physical bodies were. They have completely distorted their physical nature, and the implications have echoed into their astral make-up.

If they don't die out physically, then they traverse space (heck, maybe even time) in order to search for a place of refuge.

The frequency produced by a certain planet would be a major key in determining whether or not the planet would support their life. This is evident through the Schumann resonance phenomena and how it relates to our own biology.


It is well known that there is a resonant frequency that the earth produces. This is known as the Shumann Resonance (see first post).

There is also evidence that the very building blocks of biological life on earth, DNA, has a strong connection to this resonance (and ELF fields in general, along with light). Most notably, the work of Luc Montagnier was one of the first to demonstrate this link.

[...]

DNA may act as a fractal antenna that picks up this underlying resonant field that the earth produces. Below are some exerpts from a research paper that was published in the International Journal of Radiation Biology.




EMF interactions with DNA are similar over a range of non-ionising frequencies, i.e., extremely low frequency (ELF) and radio frequency (RF) ranges. There are similar effects in the ionising range, but the reactions are more complex.

[...]

The wide frequency range of interaction with EMF is the functional characteristic of a fractal antenna, and DNA appears to possess the two structural characteristics of fractal antennas, electronic conduction and self symmetry. These properties contribute to greater reactivity of DNA with EMF in the environment.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21457072

The Schumann Resonance is in the ELF (extremely low frequency) range. The DNA is delicate enough to tune into this frequency. In turn, the DNA may transmute the signal and project it into a field containing a typical pattern in which the organism develops.




Chromosomes could act like antennae, with electrons traveling gene circuits to produce species-specific wavelengths.

[...]

Different species have different lengths of DNA [...] these lengths probably determine frequency.

[...]

Widom is especially curious about whether cells in higher life forms might also use electromagnetic signaling, perhaps in coordinating DNA code with protein-making cellular machinery. But as a theoretical physicist, he doesn’t plan to investigate the phenomenon himself. That’s for other researchers to do, Widom said.

“We’re just saying that this gets you to the right frequencies,” he said. “We’re right at the very beginning.”

Source: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/04/bacterial-radio/

There are two nuclear DNA molecules within each cell of the body (except red blood cells). It has been estimated that there are trillions of cells in the body. That's a lot of DNA [...]

[...]

Now, consider physical life developing on another planet. There could be sentient, intelligent beings there that have developed physical forms based on the specific resonant frequency of their planet. Maybe this resonance is different from the earth's, and maybe it is similar.




Other planets may have similar electrical conductivity geometry, so it is speculated that they should possess similar resonant behavior [...] electrical excitation of electromagnetic waves in the ELF range. Within the Solar System there are five candidates for Schumann resonance detection besides the Earth: Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and its moon Titan.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

Consider, an alien civilization (physical) developed technology that allowed them to travel into space.

[...]

They have developed unnaturally . They have neglected the relationship with their planet, raped it's resources, and populously outgrown it like a tumor.

Consequentially, their planet may be dying/dead and so they must now seek new homes to colonize -- they burst forth from their host planet like virally induced cytolysis (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-cytolysis.htm).

They may have physically degenerated and spiritually devolved. Yet, they have retained their technology and their intelligence (possibly through technology).

[...]

They could also be experimenting with genetic manipulation and techno-biological interfaces. Maybe they seek to obtain specific hormones/bodily fluids (produced in a lab or procured from other organisms) in order to try and fix their degenerative status. They act expediently.

If they found a suitable planet, they would need to be able to match themselves with it. They could approach this problem from both sides. Altering their own genetics using the existing species on the newfound planet, and altering the frequency of the planet.

The latter process would be similar to the technique of terraforming, but it would have to do with the energy of the planet (not necessarily anything more material than that.)

Using geomancy, these extraterrestrials would set out to manipulate the energy centers of the planet (see first post about ley lines and the earth's meridian/chakra system). Their maneuvers would be calculated and methodical.

They would set of fields of antennae (artificial technology is their forte) in certain locations, and a grid of towers to propagate a signal that resembles more closely that of their native planet.

This all sounds eerily similar to HAARP and the grid of cell towers located around our own planet, but that is just the inner conspiracy theorist talking.

[I][Side note: Entities wouldn't necessarily have to be physical to instigate strategies of this kind. Non-physical entities may pursue similar objectives in order to make certain domains more agreeable with their nature.]

Now, there is a blanket of frequencies that overlays the natural frequency of the earth. This is caused by electro-pollution, which is defined thusly:




Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation propagated through the atmosphere by broadcast towers, radar installations, and microwave appliances, and the magnetic fields surrounding electrical appliances and power lines, which is believed to have polluting effects on people and the environment; also called electromagnetic smog.

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/electropollution

These frequencies are man-made and unnatural to the planet in such patterns and quantities.

Now, imagine these frequencies catering to some unnatural form of astral life.

In the earth's history, maybe an advanced civilization created their own unnatural blanket of frequencies on the planet (by their own methods). Inadvertently, maybe they created technological life-forms whose morphogenetic fields responded to these artificially produced frequencies.

Whenever that civilization fell, the radiative effects of their technologies would have largely dissipated from the planet. In turn, the technological life they created physically died out because the "life-giving" signal it received no longer existed. Yet, they still remained in the astral -- dormant, or in greatly reduced numbers, finding food where they could.

In today's world, we could be inadvertently reproducing the signal required for an artificial, astral template from our own past to manifest itself on the physical plane.

It's re-appearance would positively correlate with the advancement of our own technologies. There could be a certain threshold, a saturation point of unnatural frequencies that blanket the planet, that allows this form of life access to it's physical vehicle.

These technological life forms could have been re-integrating themselves through more abstract levels of this plane via technology (i.e. cyberspace). They could be in a state of transition between the astral and the physical.


Lately, i have been seeing and removing really odd entities.

Metallic looking, machine like things, but with a consciousness.

One the other day that i saw, was attached the back of a clients head.

It was chrome, very shiny looking. When i asked what it was, i was
told, "it's the new television", which is concerning..

New types of entities, (although i don't even know if that the right
word for them), require new ways of working, which is ok

They can get more sophisticated, but so can we, its no big deal, actually,
it Just means we get to be even stronger and smarter.

My take anyways.

Being creatures of technology, they may actually look machine-like, and their "population" could be slowly growing in the astral. They could possibly begin manifesting more physical aspects [see also: post #3 below].

Just some thoughts.

[Side note: These are only proposals. Actually, none of what I have written here is being considered as fact (except, of course, the facts). I have no direct experience of it. This is just a creative analysis based on the anecdotal (i.e. experiential) evidence of others and an observation of current trends in the world of technology intermixed with certain theories of the alternative community.]

Are we re-living the past and creating a New Atlantis?

I think you've nailed it Vivek. They, it, finds us by echo-location. Like a bat.

On the topic of vibration, you may enjoy the Canopus In Argos Series by Doris Lessing. http://www.amazon.com/Canopus-Argos-Archives-Doris-Lessing/dp/0679741844

In Shikasta, she tells tale of the fall of Atlantis, describing the vibrational needs of the cities, and those who roam outside those circles. And the antennae receiving transmissions from off planet. This is a time travelling book, also dealing with an off-planet agent observing and reporting on this, and also a psychiatrist (later 20th C), who has a patient (deemed crazy) who talks of the mass migration to South America, even by those who have to walk. (Hi Bill! :wave:). The doc ends up walking there, with his patient.

In "The Sirian Experiments" the Sirian agent comes to Earth, just before the pole flip. She has to wear pretty hefty jewelry to be on the planet, to acclimatize her to the vibes. She experiences the pole flip, but gets off just in time. The description of this is amazing...as though the author had been there. Three more books, astounding. All about vibration, soul purpose and more. Way beyond entertainment.

In...oops computer needed to restart and I lost the rest of this. It may have been about seeing the spiders....

[AnthonyBacala]

I don't have time to expand on the links.

There is much more to be explored regarding this topic.

Much Love,

Jeffrey

Thank you, I am going to check these out now. I think we are all gaining insight into the bigger picture, as more and more dots are connected. I think the idea of this artificial intelligence permeating the internet ties in with the notion of spiritual warfare. Every level of the playing field must be analyzed. It's as if everyone's coming out to play, and the veil is diminishing quicker and quicker. This A.I. could very well be linked in with intelligence not limited to this particular dimension or experience.

We do not fully understand how high up these forces go, and to what extent they plague other realities. However, I believe there is a common factor amongst them.

This also ties in with the notion of the archons, and the merging could potentially allow them to fully hijack humanity with ease, thus gaining access to a plethora of souls.

[Jeffrey]

I am moving this post over here, because it could relate, and it's good "food" for thought! :p

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OKAY, my mind is racing after reading this. It's an article from montalk.net entitled, Food for the Moon.




The moon is more than just a pale satellite of interest to poets and astronomers. Its influence goes beyond merely creating ocean tides or driving biological cycles. More importantly, the moon exerts a significant influence upon the mechanical, emotional, and psychological states in man.

[...]

Gurdjieff and Ouspensky

Fourth Way philosophy aims to strip man of his mechanical behavior and hypnotic programming in order to build within him a core of heightened consciousness. It is an esoteric system assembled from incomplete fragments of inner Christianity and Sufism. It’s founder, Georges Gurdjieff, frequently admonished the thoughtless mechanical behavior of humanity and was fond of saying that we are “food for the moon.”

What did Gurdjieff mean by this phrase? Many have interpreted “food for the moon” as a figure of speech, that perhaps Gurdjieff meant we are slave to our mechanical conditioning and feed our baser impulses. While it can be additionally interpreted that way, Gurdjieff was likely being literal. Peter Ouspensky, one of Gurdjieff’s most prolific disciples, lectured at length concerning the moon’s role in human affairs and its place in the cosmological scheme of things. It is reasonable to assume what Ouspensky wrote about the moon accurately reflects what Gurdjieff taught him.

According to Ouspensky, the moon acts as a giant electromagnet pulling upon all organic life on earth and sucking into itself the soul essence of dying creatures. The moon is an embryonic planet receiving its nutrition from organic life on earth through an etheric umbilical cord, an energy conduit between earth and moon.

In man, the moon drives his mechanical aspects like a pendulum moving the gears of a clock. The degree to which one’s actions are driven by the moon is proportional to one’s level of reactivity and non-being. For people incapable of moving themselves through life by nobler spiritual impulses, the moon provides a propulsive force. Without this force, mechanical individuals would be passive as puppets without a puppeteer.

Ouspensky went so far as to say that the very physical motion of our limbs was made possible thanks to the moon. Other Fourth Way initiates like Rodney Collin explained that because our body was largely made of water and the moon pulls on water to create the ocean tides, our bodies are made to move in similar but more complicated ways through hydraulic principles.

[...]

It would be more accurate to say that the moon exerts some subtle influence upon the organs of our etheric body responsible for initiating neurochemical impulses that trigger habitual motions. Such mechanical behavior may therefore be driven by the moon, but not necessarily via crude physical means.

The moon is therefore an important factor in driving our mechanical actions. As long as its influence is limited to such effects, the moon is doings its job properly. Ouspensky warned, however, that if lunar influences trespassed into one’s emotional and mental aspects, then emotional and mental imbalances would occur. How can the moon affect our emotional and intellectual centers? By the very fact that these lower centers have their own mechanical aspects.

Ouspensky was asked whether there was any truth to the connection between full moons and lunacy.

[...]

In the cosmological schema, earth is like a mother to the moon which is still a fetus in the sense that it cannot yet “breathe” on its own, hold an atmosphere, or support life. Gurdjieff said: “The Moon is actually a fragment of this Earth, which must now constantly maintain the Moon’s existence.” In that sense, the moon is like a parasitic thoughtform. [Vivek: Ahem, aborted fetus anyone?]

In line with the objectives of Fourth Way, to escape the more deleterious lunar influences Ouspensky said we must “create moon within ourselves.” By this he meant we must develop within us a driving mechanism that can take the place of the external lunar influence; in this way we would break free of the puppeteer. Assuming for a moment a more general and practical interpretation, this simply says that in order to become free from mechanical conditioning and reactive behavior we must reinforce our sense of self-awareness so that conscious choice and awareness reigns supreme over any external stimuli that might provoke an unconscious reaction.

[...]

Mouravieff

In his epic work Gnosis, Boris Mouravieff formulated an esoteric system for spiritual evolution founded upon the inner traditions of Eastern Orthodoxy. Though sharing a common basis with Fourth Way, what Mouravieff detailed is comparatively more complete, accurate, and systematic. Here is an excerpt from Gnosis summarizing what is necessary to transcend the lunar influence:



As a cell of organic life on Earth, man plays a part in the development of the Ray of Creation. The vivification of the Moon, that cosmic foetus, is one aspect of this development. This requires considerable quantities of energy, which is produced in particular by the human part of organic life. Illusion, which plays such an important role in the waking consciousness of man, was introduced into that state so that he would accept this aspect of the cosmic work, participating in it without rebellion.

If we become conscious of this situation and desire to escape it, we must conceive and create a screen which will protect us against this devouring influence of the Moon. We must meanwhile guard against falling into Illusion again by erecting a false screen; the result would be an aggravated waste of these forces instead of an economy of force. The quantity of force necessary to genuinely oppose the influence of the Moon is already considerable. The first imperative, then, is to stop wasting these forces, to turn off the taps which let the energy escape uselessly: sterile emotions, in particular negative emotions; fantasies from uncontrolled imagination; uncoordinated mental gymnastics, gossiping and chattering. We must thus act like a wise minister of finance and carefully economize our energies, yet without all the time sterilizing either our activity or our intelligence. On the contrary, we must store and as far as possible augment these forces to build up our reserves. These are the two main aspects of the first objective we have to attain. (Mouravieff, Gnosis I, p.168)

Mouravieff also explained that organic life functions as a transmitter station sending refined energy to the moon to assist its growth. Despite increases in the human population and thus an increase in quantity of energy transferred, times of peace do not produce sufficient energy and so catalysts for suffering such as wars and catastrophes arise to sustain the process.



The Moon’s passive energy arises from solar energy. It reflects this, but not without a transformation as its own nature. […] Unlike the Earth, the Moon does not have a direct organic link with the Sun. Being a satellite, it depends directly on its planet, and it is only through the latter’s mediation that it enters into relation with the Sun. One of its essential roles is to reflect solar energy onto the Earth’s surface in a form modified by reflection as described above. This also leads to qualitative and quantitative variations that depend on its phases. These changes do not prevent continual reverberation, due to the fact that the Moon always presents the same face to Earth, as the duration of its rotation around itself and around our planet are both the same. (Mouravieff, Gnosis II, p.29)

Although Mouravieff did not elaborate in what manner the lunar influence varies with phase, it stands to reason that essentially it is a matter of astrological alignment between earth, sun, and moon. During new and full moons, the moon and sun are respectively in conjunction and opposition. During quarter moons they are square. Opposition, conjunction, and square represent alignments that in this particular case aggravate the mechanical aspects in man. Other times of the month when the moon is trine or sextile sun, a more harmonious astrological aspect establishes itself. These alignments engender calmer temperaments with the mechanical influence not trespassing into emotional or mental territory.

That the moon always shows the same face, has an unusually circular orbit, and is precisely distanced to blot out the sun during total solar eclipses implies an intentional placement by the “Architect” of the matrix, or perhaps it simply suggests a collective choice to experience this highly improbable but necessary reality. When asked if the moon was intentionally placed, the Cassiopaeans responded: This is impossibly complex because in one way or another, everything is part of a “plan.” Mouravieff and Ouspensky emphasized that despite the soporific nature of the moon and the urgent necessity for individuals to overcome its influence, there is still an important cosmological reason for this arrangement [...]

The Zelator

Another interesting source is The Zelator by Mark Hedsel, an autobiographical account of his initiatory pathway through various mystery schools. The following excerpt takes place in the presence of a teacher who gives a lengthy discourse on the moon:



Our questions led our Master to some fascinating and unexpected observations about the lunar connections in ancient esoteric lore, and it was not surprising that the few questions we did put to our Master at that time concerned these planets. ‘Do you know what the third-day pig is?’ he asked in response to a question I had put to him about the Moon. Although our Master was looking directly at us, everyone shook their heads, as though he had directed the question to each of us personally. Perhaps the question had been rhetorical, for he continued almost immediately. ‘The three-day pig is a phrase from the ancient Mysteries. Prior to the initiation held during the Greater Mysteries of the Boedromion at Eleusis, in Greece, there was what the Greeks called the Halade Mystai. Early in the morning, the candidates for initiation would make their way to the sea, carrying young pigs, which they would wash and then sacrifice. The usual — we might even say the exoteric — explanation for this sacrifice is that they considered the blood of the pig to be especially pure, and much appreciated by the gods of the Underworld. They buried the killed pigs deep in the Earth, after the blood and slaughtered bodies had been dedicated to these infernal gods. Because the sacrifice was held on the third day of the Greater Mystery, such a creature was called the third-day pig.’

He raised his eyebrows, and smiled. ‘Now, as with all Mysteries of initiation, the term is not quite correct — it is meant to hide something. It was not a third-day pig, but a two-and-a-half-day pig, as the sacrifices always took place in the morning. The fact that the rites were conducted near the sea should lend a clue to one aspect of this arcane symbolism, for the two-and-a-half day period is a lunar period. In two and a half days, the Moon completely traverses one sign of the zodiac: the period, cosmically speaking, is a 12th part of the month. Now, perhaps, you will begin to see something of the deeper significance of the third-day pig?’ Perhaps once again the question had been rhetorical. At all events, there was no sound from the circle.

‘In a sense, the third-day pig is humanity — the liquid sweat of the Earth. Humanity is in thrall to the Moon — mankind is subject to the two-and-a-half-day rhythm, and to all other lunar periodicities. In another sense, the third-day pig is the animal of Set, the reject darker side of Mankind — that lucifuge side, which does not strive towards the light.

[...]

‘In the case of the Moon, the matter is made more complex by the fact that the physical matter of the Moon did once form part of what we now call the Earth. Within the context of the lunar sphere, the two centres did once coincide. A tremendous effort of meditative power is required to follow these connections, however, and the bald statement I have made can result in misconceptions.’

‘Why,’ asked Philip, ‘did the Moon have to separate from the Earth?’ ‘It was a cosmic fission. The Moon represents the harder mineralization of the Earth. In the body of the Moon is the matter which, had it remained with the Earth, would have weighed down human development too deeply. Man would not have been able to bear the weight of those forces in his own body. Just as we know from our own observations of ourselves that we must slough off darkness to reach into the light, so the planetary bodies must also involve themselves in a similar fission. Even so, it is true that the weight of the Moon, albeit removed by half a million miles, still contorts the physical body of the Earth and its inhabitants through what are usually called ‘gravitational’ effects.

‘Now we must touch upon the connection between the Moon and clairvoyancy. We must do this because one of our members has — wisely or unwisely — become involved with mediumistic groups.’

‘It is important that we set out very clearly the dangers inherent in opening the soul to such activities. It is not for me to forbid such activity. I have no power to forbid, and would relish no such power. Much as I would wish to protect you, I cannot. The best I can do is make the dangers clear to you. After that, your beliefs and your conduct remain your own.’

He look around at our faces, as though to indicate that he had arrived at the most important point of the evening.

‘And so now we must look at an esoteric truth which touches on the very edge of what is permissible. What I have to say will be greatly disturbing for many people of modern times. It will disturb, because it is generally taken for granted that clairvoyancy, mediumship and spiritualistic activity are somehow linked with Spiritual development, and consequently of benefit to mankind. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. A vast amount of our modern so-called “Spiritualist” literature pertains to channelling and clairvoyancy which is far from beneficial for the development of mankind. Indeed, not to mince words, I should tell you that it is distinctly harmful.

‘I must now make a statement which will introduce you to a concept which was, until comparatively recently, one of the deepest secrets of the esoteric Schools: In some ways, the Moon is the greatest problem of esoteric lore. The Moon is not at all what it appears to be.

‘At the end of the last century an astounding revelation was made, as a result of dissent among members of secret Schools. Information, hitherto guarded jealously by the most enclosed of the inner Orders, was made public. The secrets disclosed pertained to a far deeper level of knowledge than has hitherto been made exoteric by the Schools — even in this enlightened age.’

His trace of cynicism seemed to go by unnoticed.

‘Our purpose here is not to document how so deep an esoteric idea was made public — or even to assess whether it was wise for this idea to be brought out into the open. All this has been dealt with in the literature — and if any of you wish to follow this up, I will give you a few titles later.

‘In a nutshell, what was made public during this conflict in the Schools was the truth that our Moon is a sort of counterweight to another sphere, which remains invisible to ordinary vision. This counterweighted sphere is called in esoteric circles the Eighth Sphere.

‘We must be careful with these words, for, in spite of what I have just said, this region is not itself a sphere, nor is it a moon. Even to locate it behind the physical Moon is not correct, for in the Spiritual realm spaces and distances are different. The truth is that this Eighth Sphere does not pertain to anything we are familiar with on the physical plane, yet we must use words from our own vocabularies whenever we wish to denote its existence. Were we to use a word which fits most appropriately this Sphere, then we should really call it a vacuum. Certainly, vacuum is a more appropriate term than sphere, for the Eighth Sphere sucks things into its own shadowy existence.

‘This Sphere is lower in the scale of being than the Seventh Sphere (which is the Earth). It acts as a sort of demonic conduit to suck into its maws certain degenerate Spiritual forms on the Earth. It is a shadow Sphere, controlled by shadow beings. However, the fact that they are shadow beings should not lead us to demote or underestimate their capabilities and intelligence. In many respects they are more intelligent than Man, for they are not limited by the power of love, as is Mankind.

‘The operation of this Eighth Sphere is complex. Its denizens — those shadowy beings for whom it is home — wish to people their Sphere with humanity, or (more accurately) with human souls. Towards this end, it has erected what we might call terminals on the Earth: these terminals are soul-conduits, which will suck into the lower Sphere a certain form of materialized Spiritual energy that is engendered on the Earth plane. The most usual circumstances where this materialization or engendering takes place is in seances, and in other localities wherein human beings attempt to meddle — against the cosmic law — with the lower Etheric planes.’

‘It is less than one hundred years since this knowledge of the Eighth Sphere was made public. At first there was an outcry at this breach in initiate knowledge, but now we can see that it has proved something of a blessing that the demonic threat has been brought out into the open. In some ways, it is easier to deal with a visible enemy. Those who dabble in the supposed communications with the dead, and with that spirit-land which they fondly imagine lies beyond the veil, have not gone unwarned.


I will leave most of the above for the reader to digest, and discuss only the so-called “Eighth Sphere.” What is meant by the moon being a counterweight to the Eighth Sphere? Evidently, the moon is but a physical reflection of something tangible but not material, something beyond our realm of perception.

[...]

The Eighth Sphere would therefore include: the lower astral planes where carnal and demonic thoughtforms dwell, the hyperdimensional realms inhabited by so-called reptilian beings, the parasitic etheric lattice overlaying the earth comprising the very tendrils of the Matrix, the soul-pool of which spiritless humans are incarnate extensions, and the demiurgic creature positioned atop the negative occult hierarchy sucking into itself all energy gathered from the “tiers” below.

This interpretation of the Eighth Sphere should be self-evident for those familiar with the works of Rudolf Steiner, Carlos Castaneda, Robert Monroe, Dr. William Baldwin, the Cassiopaean Transcripts, and my articles on the Matrix.

For instance, that spiritless humans have something to do with the moon is clear from the fact that they, being extensions of less evolved (“second density”) energies occupying human (“third density”) bodies, are essentially two-and-a-half density beings, which relates to the two-and-a-half-day pig [...] That the moon shares an archetypal basis with spiritless humans is further evidenced by it being a second density planet reflecting light rather than generating its own, just as spiritless humans are not fully third density and merely reflect back the soul image of others.

Source: http://montalk.net/matrix/114/food-for-the-moon

This is only two thirds of the article, and it relates to the scuttlers apparently (amongst other things, lots of correlations here).

Here is another video.

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See also redicecreations.com article: http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html

I have to get to bed. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sleep/sleep.gif

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which is why one of its titles is the Foundation. It is in the Astral that thought-forms are fed and gain in energy and substance until they are physically manifested in Malkuth. Therefore, the Astral Plane is the Foundation for the Physical Plane. Yesod is the mysterious, shadowy realm of the Moon where magickal energy is stored and drawn upon.

Hey Vivek,

I was wondering here...If my beliefs are correct, and these life forms, the scuttlers, arrived here infiltrated in the first human spaceships during the begining of the space exploration programs, it makes me think about what was the real reason behind the moon landings...

What if, this central quantum AI system, is up there, in the moon, and the real purpose behind the first space missions was to check it out?

What if the masterminds behind the space exploration programs already knew, based on hidden ancient knowledge, that there was something up there, and the spaceships wouldn´t return alone?

Maybe this whole space exploration program was part of their trans-humanist agenda since the begining, to finally establish a direct connection, an integration, between whatever is up there in the moon and us?

Who knows...Maybe the whole moon is a freaking quantum computer, or at least one hub, out of many that might be spread around the galaxy...Pretty much like the tree of life, or a network.

Raf.

Not only does this remind me of what Icke (moon matrix), Mouravieff, Gurdjieff say (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_hyperdimensions07.htm), but also what Barbara Marciniak channeled (yikes that word). I usually wouldn't quote such sources, but the correlations are there.

From Barbara Marciniak:




The sun and the moon are the luminaries within your system by which you are most profoundly influenced and affected. The sun generates its own light. The sun, in turn, illuminates the moon.

[B]The moon is a sub-satellite of the sun, orbiting as a computer around Earth, built and maintained by many generations of gods. Heavenly bodies are constructed in the shapes of asteroids, moons, and planets, and it is through these luminaries that rays of intelligence, radio waves, and gamma rays are transmitted from star to sun and sent to Earth.

The moon is a satellite that was constructed. It was built and anchored outside Earth's atmosphere as a mediating and monitoring device, a supercomputer or eye in the sky.

It affects all life forms on this planet, beyond what you can currently grasp. In your history, there are references to two moons around Earth. You don't hear of this often, but there are those who know.

Earth must be owned by those who dwell here; however, it is not. You have outside gods, creator energies, who prevent you, as a species, from having free rein with your kundalini.

The influence of the moon, as a main satellite computer, affects all of Earth. At this time, powerful cosmic rays are crossing space as photonic waves and being transduced through Uranus, Neptune, and other forces.

This is creating an overloaded circuitry around the control that has kept you from understanding that you, as human beings, must take stewardship of your planet.

Why are you locked into a prescribed formula of time that is irrelevant in every other place? What is the significance of twelve in this marking and dividing process? Who would you be without this? These are the questions we wish you to ponder. The answers have, of course, to do with control of your life span and kundalini. You see, in the ideal, your life span would be much longer than it is, and your society would honor the process of gathering wisdom through experience.

In the ideal, the kundalini experience at forty, in a society structured and nurtured to bring it about, would create the maturation of the individual. Right now, you consider yourself to come into maturation at the age of twenty-one.

Please be aware that you experience numerous cycles of energy that come through the body to teach you new vistas of maturation. Awareness of this process is key to your development. It challenges you to continually take on more responsibility, and not to feel burdened by it.

There have been many, many battles over the moon. Parts of the moon are owned, and parts are utilized.

There is a plan to gradually insert different programs of influence on Earth when the moon becomes occupied by forces that would assist you in your growth, rather than limit you.

The moon's programs have, for eons, been of great limitation toward human beings.

Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pleyades/tierra/tierra_eng.htm


Really gets the creative juices flowin'!

ADD/UPDATE:

Earth may have once had two moons:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/08/110803-earth-two-moons-collision-space-science/

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2086608,00.html

Makes you say hmmmmm, that's interesting...

[CdnSirian]

" I think the idea of this artificial intelligence permeating the internet ties in with the notion of spiritual warfare. Every level of the playing field must be analyzed. It's as if everyone's coming out to play, and the veil is diminishing quicker and quicker. This A.I. could very well be linked in with intelligence not limited to this particular dimension or experience.

We do not fully understand how high up these forces go, and to what extent they plague other realities. However, I believe there is a common factor amongst them.

This also ties in with the notion of the archons, and the merging could potentially allow them to fully hijack humanity with ease, thus gaining access to a plethora of souls. "

I think this is true, and also the opposite is true.

I heard a description once of how there is only one particle. And this particle can move so fast that it can be All That Is, because it can move so fast. VNxnE8nXFo4
Interesting, no? Sorry about the :tape::alien:

Will go back to poetry. :ranger:

[CdnSirian]

I am moving this post over here, because it could relate, and it's good "food" for thought! :p

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OKAY, my mind is racing after reading this. It's an article from montalk.net entitled, Food for the Moon.




The moon is more than just a pale satellite of interest to poets and astronomers. Its influence goes beyond merely creating ocean tides or driving biological cycles. More importantly, the moon exerts a significant influence upon the mechanical, emotional, and psychological states in man.

[...]

Gurdjieff and Ouspensky

Fourth Way philosophy aims to strip man of his mechanical behavior and hypnotic programming in order to build within him a core of heightened consciousness. It is an esoteric system assembled from incomplete fragments of inner Christianity and Sufism. It’s founder, Georges Gurdjieff, frequently admonished the thoughtless mechanical behavior of humanity and was fond of saying that we are “food for the moon.”

What did Gurdjieff mean by this phrase? Many have interpreted “food for the moon” as a figure of speech, that perhaps Gurdjieff meant we are slave to our mechanical conditioning and feed our baser impulses. While it can be additionally interpreted that way, Gurdjieff was likely being literal. Peter Ouspensky, one of Gurdjieff’s most prolific disciples, lectured at length concerning the moon’s role in human affairs and its place in the cosmological scheme of things. It is reasonable to assume what Ouspensky wrote about the moon accurately reflects what Gurdjieff taught him.

According to Ouspensky, the moon acts as a giant electromagnet pulling upon all organic life on earth and sucking into itself the soul essence of dying creatures. The moon is an embryonic planet receiving its nutrition from organic life on earth through an etheric umbilical cord, an energy conduit between earth and moon.

In man, the moon drives his mechanical aspects like a pendulum moving the gears of a clock. The degree to which one’s actions are driven by the moon is proportional to one’s level of reactivity and non-being. For people incapable of moving themselves through life by nobler spiritual impulses, the moon provides a propulsive force. Without this force, mechanical individuals would be passive as puppets without a puppeteer.

Ouspensky went so far as to say that the very physical motion of our limbs was made possible thanks to the moon. Other Fourth Way initiates like Rodney Collin explained that because our body was largely made of water and the moon pulls on water to create the ocean tides, our bodies are made to move in similar but more complicated ways through hydraulic principles.

[...]

It would be more accurate to say that the moon exerts some subtle influence upon the organs of our etheric body responsible for initiating neurochemical impulses that trigger habitual motions. Such mechanical behavior may therefore be driven by the moon, but not necessarily via crude physical means.

The moon is therefore an important factor in driving our mechanical actions. As long as its influence is limited to such effects, the moon is doings its job properly. Ouspensky warned, however, that if lunar influences trespassed into one’s emotional and mental aspects, then emotional and mental imbalances would occur. How can the moon affect our emotional and intellectual centers? By the very fact that these lower centers have their own mechanical aspects.

Ouspensky was asked whether there was any truth to the connection between full moons and lunacy.

[...]

In the cosmological schema, earth is like a mother to the moon which is still a fetus in the sense that it cannot yet “breathe” on its own, hold an atmosphere, or support life. Gurdjieff said: “The Moon is actually a fragment of this Earth, which must now constantly maintain the Moon’s existence.” In that sense, the moon is like a parasitic thoughtform. [Vivek: Ahem, aborted fetus anyone?]

In line with the objectives of Fourth Way, to escape the more deleterious lunar influences Ouspensky said we must “create moon within ourselves.” By this he meant we must develop within us a driving mechanism that can take the place of the external lunar influence; in this way we would break free of the puppeteer. Assuming for a moment a more general and practical interpretation, this simply says that in order to become free from mechanical conditioning and reactive behavior we must reinforce our sense of self-awareness so that conscious choice and awareness reigns supreme over any external stimuli that might provoke an unconscious reaction.

[...]

Mouravieff

In his epic work Gnosis, Boris Mouravieff formulated an esoteric system for spiritual evolution founded upon the inner traditions of Eastern Orthodoxy. Though sharing a common basis with Fourth Way, what Mouravieff detailed is comparatively more complete, accurate, and systematic. Here is an excerpt from Gnosis summarizing what is necessary to transcend the lunar influence:



As a cell of organic life on Earth, man plays a part in the development of the Ray of Creation. The vivification of the Moon, that cosmic foetus, is one aspect of this development. This requires considerable quantities of energy, which is produced in particular by the human part of organic life. Illusion, which plays such an important role in the waking consciousness of man, was introduced into that state so that he would accept this aspect of the cosmic work, participating in it without rebellion.

If we become conscious of this situation and desire to escape it, we must conceive and create a screen which will protect us against this devouring influence of the Moon. We must meanwhile guard against falling into Illusion again by erecting a false screen; the result would be an aggravated waste of these forces instead of an economy of force. The quantity of force necessary to genuinely oppose the influence of the Moon is already considerable. The first imperative, then, is to stop wasting these forces, to turn off the taps which let the energy escape uselessly: sterile emotions, in particular negative emotions; fantasies from uncontrolled imagination; uncoordinated mental gymnastics, gossiping and chattering. We must thus act like a wise minister of finance and carefully economize our energies, yet without all the time sterilizing either our activity or our intelligence. On the contrary, we must store and as far as possible augment these forces to build up our reserves. These are the two main aspects of the first objective we have to attain. (Mouravieff, Gnosis I, p.168)

Mouravieff also explained that organic life functions as a transmitter station sending refined energy to the moon to assist its growth. Despite increases in the human population and thus an increase in quantity of energy transferred, times of peace do not produce sufficient energy and so catalysts for suffering such as wars and catastrophes arise to sustain the process.



The Moon’s passive energy arises from solar energy. It reflects this, but not without a transformation as its own nature. […] Unlike the Earth, the Moon does not have a direct organic link with the Sun. Being a satellite, it depends directly on its planet, and it is only through the latter’s mediation that it enters into relation with the Sun. One of its essential roles is to reflect solar energy onto the Earth’s surface in a form modified by reflection as described above. This also leads to qualitative and quantitative variations that depend on its phases. These changes do not prevent continual reverberation, due to the fact that the Moon always presents the same face to Earth, as the duration of its rotation around itself and around our planet are both the same. (Mouravieff, Gnosis II, p.29)

Although Mouravieff did not elaborate in what manner the lunar influence varies with phase, it stands to reason that essentially it is a matter of astrological alignment between earth, sun, and moon. During new and full moons, the moon and sun are respectively in conjunction and opposition. During quarter moons they are square. Opposition, conjunction, and square represent alignments that in this particular case aggravate the mechanical aspects in man. Other times of the month when the moon is trine or sextile sun, a more harmonious astrological aspect establishes itself. These alignments engender calmer temperaments with the mechanical influence not trespassing into emotional or mental territory.

That the moon always shows the same face, has an unusually circular orbit, and is precisely distanced to blot out the sun during total solar eclipses implies an intentional placement by the “Architect” of the matrix, or perhaps it simply suggests a collective choice to experience this highly improbable but necessary reality. When asked if the moon was intentionally placed, the Cassiopaeans responded: This is impossibly complex because in one way or another, everything is part of a “plan.” Mouravieff and Ouspensky emphasized that despite the soporific nature of the moon and the urgent necessity for individuals to overcome its influence, there is still an important cosmological reason for this arrangement [...]

The Zelator

Another interesting source is The Zelator by Mark Hedsel, an autobiographical account of his initiatory pathway through various mystery schools. The following excerpt takes place in the presence of a teacher who gives a lengthy discourse on the moon:



Our questions led our Master to some fascinating and unexpected observations about the lunar connections in ancient esoteric lore, and it was not surprising that the few questions we did put to our Master at that time concerned these planets. ‘Do you know what the third-day pig is?’ he asked in response to a question I had put to him about the Moon. Although our Master was looking directly at us, everyone shook their heads, as though he had directed the question to each of us personally. Perhaps the question had been rhetorical, for he continued almost immediately. ‘The three-day pig is a phrase from the ancient Mysteries. Prior to the initiation held during the Greater Mysteries of the Boedromion at Eleusis, in Greece, there was what the Greeks called the Halade Mystai. Early in the morning, the candidates for initiation would make their way to the sea, carrying young pigs, which they would wash and then sacrifice. The usual — we might even say the exoteric — explanation for this sacrifice is that they considered the blood of the pig to be especially pure, and much appreciated by the gods of the Underworld. They buried the killed pigs deep in the Earth, after the blood and slaughtered bodies had been dedicated to these infernal gods. Because the sacrifice was held on the third day of the Greater Mystery, such a creature was called the third-day pig.’

He raised his eyebrows, and smiled. ‘Now, as with all Mysteries of initiation, the term is not quite correct — it is meant to hide something. It was not a third-day pig, but a two-and-a-half-day pig, as the sacrifices always took place in the morning. The fact that the rites were conducted near the sea should lend a clue to one aspect of this arcane symbolism, for the two-and-a-half day period is a lunar period. In two and a half days, the Moon completely traverses one sign of the zodiac: the period, cosmically speaking, is a 12th part of the month. Now, perhaps, you will begin to see something of the deeper significance of the third-day pig?’ Perhaps once again the question had been rhetorical. At all events, there was no sound from the circle.

‘In a sense, the third-day pig is humanity — the liquid sweat of the Earth. Humanity is in thrall to the Moon — mankind is subject to the two-and-a-half-day rhythm, and to all other lunar periodicities. In another sense, the third-day pig is the animal of Set, the reject darker side of Mankind — that lucifuge side, which does not strive towards the light.

[...]

‘In the case of the Moon, the matter is made more complex by the fact that the physical matter of the Moon did once form part of what we now call the Earth. Within the context of the lunar sphere, the two centres did once coincide. A tremendous effort of meditative power is required to follow these connections, however, and the bald statement I have made can result in misconceptions.’

‘Why,’ asked Philip, ‘did the Moon have to separate from the Earth?’ ‘It was a cosmic fission. The Moon represents the harder mineralization of the Earth. In the body of the Moon is the matter which, had it remained with the Earth, would have weighed down human development too deeply. Man would not have been able to bear the weight of those forces in his own body. Just as we know from our own observations of ourselves that we must slough off darkness to reach into the light, so the planetary bodies must also involve themselves in a similar fission. Even so, it is true that the weight of the Moon, albeit removed by half a million miles, still contorts the physical body of the Earth and its inhabitants through what are usually called ‘gravitational’ effects.

‘Now we must touch upon the connection between the Moon and clairvoyancy. We must do this because one of our members has — wisely or unwisely — become involved with mediumistic groups.’

‘It is important that we set out very clearly the dangers inherent in opening the soul to such activities. It is not for me to forbid such activity. I have no power to forbid, and would relish no such power. Much as I would wish to protect you, I cannot. The best I can do is make the dangers clear to you. After that, your beliefs and your conduct remain your own.’

He look around at our faces, as though to indicate that he had arrived at the most important point of the evening.

‘And so now we must look at an esoteric truth which touches on the very edge of what is permissible. What I have to say will be greatly disturbing for many people of modern times. It will disturb, because it is generally taken for granted that clairvoyancy, mediumship and spiritualistic activity are somehow linked with Spiritual development, and consequently of benefit to mankind. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. A vast amount of our modern so-called “Spiritualist” literature pertains to channelling and clairvoyancy which is far from beneficial for the development of mankind. Indeed, not to mince words, I should tell you that it is distinctly harmful.

‘I must now make a statement which will introduce you to a concept which was, until comparatively recently, one of the deepest secrets of the esoteric Schools: In some ways, the Moon is the greatest problem of esoteric lore. The Moon is not at all what it appears to be.

‘At the end of the last century an astounding revelation was made, as a result of dissent among members of secret Schools. Information, hitherto guarded jealously by the most enclosed of the inner Orders, was made public. The secrets disclosed pertained to a far deeper level of knowledge than has hitherto been made exoteric by the Schools — even in this enlightened age.’

His trace of cynicism seemed to go by unnoticed.

‘Our purpose here is not to document how so deep an esoteric idea was made public — or even to assess whether it was wise for this idea to be brought out into the open. All this has been dealt with in the literature — and if any of you wish to follow this up, I will give you a few titles later.

‘In a nutshell, what was made public during this conflict in the Schools was the truth that our Moon is a sort of counterweight to another sphere, which remains invisible to ordinary vision. This counterweighted sphere is called in esoteric circles the Eighth Sphere.

‘We must be careful with these words, for, in spite of what I have just said, this region is not itself a sphere, nor is it a moon. Even to locate it behind the physical Moon is not correct, for in the Spiritual realm spaces and distances are different. The truth is that this Eighth Sphere does not pertain to anything we are familiar with on the physical plane, yet we must use words from our own vocabularies whenever we wish to denote its existence. Were we to use a word which fits most appropriately this Sphere, then we should really call it a vacuum. Certainly, vacuum is a more appropriate term than sphere, for the Eighth Sphere sucks things into its own shadowy existence.

‘This Sphere is lower in the scale of being than the Seventh Sphere (which is the Earth). It acts as a sort of demonic conduit to suck into its maws certain degenerate Spiritual forms on the Earth. It is a shadow Sphere, controlled by shadow beings. However, the fact that they are shadow beings should not lead us to demote or underestimate their capabilities and intelligence. In many respects they are more intelligent than Man, for they are not limited by the power of love, as is Mankind.

‘The operation of this Eighth Sphere is complex. Its denizens — those shadowy beings for whom it is home — wish to people their Sphere with humanity, or (more accurately) with human souls. Towards this end, it has erected what we might call terminals on the Earth: these terminals are soul-conduits, which will suck into the lower Sphere a certain form of materialized Spiritual energy that is engendered on the Earth plane. The most usual circumstances where this materialization or engendering takes place is in seances, and in other localities wherein human beings attempt to meddle — against the cosmic law — with the lower Etheric planes.’

‘It is less than one hundred years since this knowledge of the Eighth Sphere was made public. At first there was an outcry at this breach in initiate knowledge, but now we can see that it has proved something of a blessing that the demonic threat has been brought out into the open. In some ways, it is easier to deal with a visible enemy. Those who dabble in the supposed communications with the dead, and with that spirit-land which they fondly imagine lies beyond the veil, have not gone unwarned.


I will leave most of the above for the reader to digest, and discuss only the so-called “Eighth Sphere.” What is meant by the moon being a counterweight to the Eighth Sphere? Evidently, the moon is but a physical reflection of something tangible but not material, something beyond our realm of perception.

[...]

The Eighth Sphere would therefore include: the lower astral planes where carnal and demonic thoughtforms dwell, the hyperdimensional realms inhabited by so-called reptilian beings, the parasitic etheric lattice overlaying the earth comprising the very tendrils of the Matrix, the soul-pool of which spiritless humans are incarnate extensions, and the demiurgic creature positioned atop the negative occult hierarchy sucking into itself all energy gathered from the “tiers” below.

This interpretation of the Eighth Sphere should be self-evident for those familiar with the works of Rudolf Steiner, Carlos Castaneda, Robert Monroe, Dr. William Baldwin, the Cassiopaean Transcripts, and my articles on the Matrix.

For instance, that spiritless humans have something to do with the moon is clear from the fact that they, being extensions of less evolved (“second density”) energies occupying human (“third density”) bodies, are essentially two-and-a-half density beings, which relates to the two-and-a-half-day pig [...] That the moon shares an archetypal basis with spiritless humans is further evidenced by it being a second density planet reflecting light rather than generating its own, just as spiritless humans are not fully third density and merely reflect back the soul image of others.

Source: http://montalk.net/matrix/114/food-for-the-moon

This is only two thirds of the article, and it relates to the scuttlers apparently (amongst other things, lots of correlations here).

Here is another video.

HyXvR0yDr28

See also redicecreations.com article: http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html

I have to get to bed. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sleep/sleep.gif

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which is why one of its titles is the Foundation. It is in the Astral that thought-forms are fed and gain in energy and substance until they are physically manifested in Malkuth. Therefore, the Astral Plane is the Foundation for the Physical Plane. Yesod is the mysterious, shadowy realm of the Moon where magickal energy is stored and drawn upon.

Hey Vivek,

I was wondering here...If my beliefs are correct, and these life forms, the scuttlers, arrived here infiltrated in the first human spaceships during the begining of the space exploration programs, it makes me think about what was the real reason behind the moon landings...

What if, this central quantum AI system, is up there, in the moon, and the real purpose behind the first space missions was to check it out?

What if the masterminds behind the space exploration programs already knew, based on hidden ancient knowledge, that there was something up there, and the spaceships wouldn´t return alone?

Maybe this whole space exploration program was part of their trans-humanist agenda since the begining, to finally establish a direct connection, an integration, between whatever is up there in the moon and us?

Who knows...Maybe the whole moon is a freaking quantum computer, or at least one hub, out of many that might be spread around the galaxy...Pretty much like the tree of life, or a network.

Raf.

Not only does this remind me of what Icke (moon matrix), Mouravieff, Gurdjieff say (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_hyperdimensions07.htm), but also what Barbara Marciniak channeled (yikes that word). I usually wouldn't quote such sources, but the correlations are there.

From Barbara Marciniak:




The sun and the moon are the luminaries within your system by which you are most profoundly influenced and affected. The sun generates its own light. The sun, in turn, illuminates the moon.

[B]The moon is a sub-satellite of the sun, orbiting as a computer around Earth, built and maintained by many generations of gods. Heavenly bodies are constructed in the shapes of asteroids, moons, and planets, and it is through these luminaries that rays of intelligence, radio waves, and gamma rays are transmitted from star to sun and sent to Earth.

The moon is a satellite that was constructed. It was built and anchored outside Earth's atmosphere as a mediating and monitoring device, a supercomputer or eye in the sky.

It affects all life forms on this planet, beyond what you can currently grasp. In your history, there are references to two moons around Earth. You don't hear of this often, but there are those who know.

Earth must be owned by those who dwell here; however, it is not. You have outside gods, creator energies, who prevent you, as a species, from having free rein with your kundalini.

The influence of the moon, as a main satellite computer, affects all of Earth. At this time, powerful cosmic rays are crossing space as photonic waves and being transduced through Uranus, Neptune, and other forces.

This is creating an overloaded circuitry around the control that has kept you from understanding that you, as human beings, must take stewardship of your planet.

Why are you locked into a prescribed formula of time that is irrelevant in every other place? What is the significance of twelve in this marking and dividing process? Who would you be without this? These are the questions we wish you to ponder. The answers have, of course, to do with control of your life span and kundalini. You see, in the ideal, your life span would be much longer than it is, and your society would honor the process of gathering wisdom through experience.

In the ideal, the kundalini experience at forty, in a society structured and nurtured to bring it about, would create the maturation of the individual. Right now, you consider yourself to come into maturation at the age of twenty-one.

Please be aware that you experience numerous cycles of energy that come through the body to teach you new vistas of maturation. Awareness of this process is key to your development. It challenges you to continually take on more responsibility, and not to feel burdened by it.

There have been many, many battles over the moon. Parts of the moon are owned, and parts are utilized.

There is a plan to gradually insert different programs of influence on Earth when the moon becomes occupied by forces that would assist you in your growth, rather than limit you.

The moon's programs have, for eons, been of great limitation toward human beings.

Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pleyades/tierra/tierra_eng.htm


Really gets the creative juices flowin'!

ADD/UPDATE:

Earth may have once had two moons:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/08/110803-earth-two-moons-collision-space-science/

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2086608,00.html

Makes you say hmmmmm, that's interesting...

Those guys were incredible, great messengers, floating a little. But I don't think think any of it applies to us now, not in the terrible complexity and life-draining aspects they describe.

They do deserve a star on the walk. But we have gone way past that stuff and are staking a claim on something new. Highest regards.

[CdnSirian]

Sorry weird can't post/double post today.

[skippy]

Can it be stopped? .. From the horse's mouth:

Justin Rattner, Chief Technoloy Officer at Intel
“Machines could overtake humans in their ability to reason, in the not so distant future.”

Bill Joy, Chief Scientist at Sun Microsystems
“The future doesn't need us: Our most powerful 21st-century technologies - robotics, genetic engineering, and nanotech - are threatening to make humans an endangered species."

Eric Schmidt, Chief Executive Officer at Google
“I spend most of my time assuming the world is not ready for the technology revolution that will be happening to them soon”.


http://bffcustom.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/evobot1.jpg

[ViralSpiral]

Vivek, I have gained great insights through your contributions, and am hugely grateful. A lot of valuable material in this thread to absorb also. Thank you!!

Having such a clear comprehension of the 'mechanism', offering new perspectives to many, I was saddened (damned ego ;) ) to read that you are stepping away from the 'dance of the matrix'.

Thanks again and happy travels

[doodah]

Thank you for this thread, all you contributors. I have nothing technical to offer here but it strikes me that if we're trying to understand what is bringing about the accelerating avalance of negative change on this planet, this is a pretty good description of what might be going on. I very much appreciate the creativity of thought here.

Is anyone at all concerned that any quantum computer that might have hijacked our internet is now filled with a lot of wrong, incomplete, or severely distorted information? If humankind is unconsciously doing the programming - with what we don't know left out and what we have gotten wrong included - that could make for some terribly strange "logical" conclusions in a computer's brain.

Also, a personal request here: Can you all please shorten the quoted material to the relevant parts? My dialup is getting bogged down loading and reloading whole quotes without any guidance as to which parts of those quotes are being responded to. Thanks. :-)

[skippy]

An artist impression..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5wZjbyRGiE

[CdnSirian]

Ingo Swann wrote about his RV travels to the moon. http://www.scribd.com/doc/18023776/Penetration-The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-by-Ingo-Swann-text-format

Interesting experience of his.

Whew! Great thread. Saturn/Binah/Saturnine Roman emperor in "Titus" such a violent play of Shakespeare.

I once performed/choreographed the character Binah in an art piece about the Tree of Life. The people who were attracted to this show like moths to a flame were witches, warlocks, pseudo Tibetan meditation students one of whom walked around carrying the silver covered human thigh bone for The Graveyard ritual. (wtf!) I did my job and went home. The structure of my life fell apart. I never saw those people again. Miss a couple of good ones. There were losses.

Gurdjieff and Ouespenski studies came later. I observed that there was a history of persons following them who had wasting diseases. I had one too, then. I dropped it all. Fled.

I left that part of my life and never looked back. Except I'm looking at it now!

Oh yeah PKD. The movie "A Scanner Darkly" brilliant. Best part is his daughter talking about him in the Special Features. "Minority Report" spiders included.

The scuttlers/spiders came into my room every night for a year when I was eight. They were very tiny. It was explained to me later that when things look tiny, we're seeing them through a portal, we're viewing another dimension. Whew, they really weren't in my room.

The internet gives us a great observation post. We don't have to be directly involved. Yet still weird stuff finds us. I'm referring to another thread, and it's hard to separate threads right now. Regards all.

[Jeffrey]

NSA Building A $2 Billion Quantum Computer Artificial Intelligence Spy Center, March 18, 2012


The NSA is a data center to house a 512 qubit quantum computer capable of learning, reproducing the brain’s cognitive functions, and programming itself.The National Security Center is building a highly fortified $2 Billion highly top secret complex simply named the “Utah Data Center” which will soon be home to the Hydrogen bomb of cybersecurity – A 512 Qubit Quantum Computer — which will revitalize the “total information awareness” program originally envisioned by George Bush in 2003.

The news of the data center comes after Department of Defense contractor Lockheed Martin secured a contract with D-Wave for $10 million for a 512 qubit Quantum Computer code-named Vesuvius.

Vesuvius is capable of executing a massive number of computations at once, more than 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0, which is would take millions of years on a standard desktop.

The computer will be able to crack crack even the most scure encryption and will give the US government a quantum leap into technologies once only dreamed of including the rise of the world’s very first all-knowing omniscient self-teaching artificial intelligence.

Source: http://information-machine.blogspot.com/2012/03/nsa-building-2-billion-quantum-computer.html?m=1

[ViralSpiral]

Going mainstream......


Article in Huffington Post yesterday:- 
Artificial Intelligence (And Flirting Via Committee) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bianca-bosker/artificial-artificial-intelligence_b_2601871.html)



We all know what it's like to suffer through a first date -- the canned conversation, awkward good night hug/kiss, forced laughter.

Rather than endure all that alone, like most of us, artist and programmer Lauren McCarthy has hired a team of anonymous online strangers to help her through the awkwardness.

That might sound like a nightmare to most people. But to McCarthy, who says "meeting new people is the #1 thing that terrifies me," this flirting by committee has offered some comfort -- and if not true love, then at least the chance to understand whether unbiased third-party "monitors" could navigate a social situation better than the people engaged in it.


"I originally thought about this project in terms of writing software, but realized leveraging this existing system with real people might be even more interesting and accurate," McCarthy wrote in an email. "Knowing the directions sent to me came from people made me feel less like a robot and more like a networked human, connected to a community of objective observers"

:rolleyes:


From link in the article:-


What if we could receive real-time feedback on our social interactions? Would unbiased third party monitors be better suited to interpret situations and make decisions for the parties involved? How might this help us become more aware in our relationships, and more open to unexpected possibilities?



I’m interested in ways that technology can be used to augment, subvert, alter, mediate, and ultimately deepen social interaction. Can we create systems to break us out of our normal systems? A sort of bootstrapping? Can we use data collected from our daily experience and networks to identify patterns and inspire new ones? I want to make different tools that try to create these situations.


I am developing a system like this for myself using AMT. During a series of dates with new people I meet through the internet, I will discretely stream the interaction to the web using an iPhone app. Turk workers will be paid to watch the stream, interpret what is happening, and offer feedback as to what I should do or say next. This feedback will be communicated to me via text message.



Source (http://socialturkers.com/about/)


A while back, I was creeped out to discover this DNA data bank (https://www.23andme.com/)


Mission Statement
23andMe's mission is to be the world's trusted source of personal genetic information.


Our Technology and Standards
23andMe is a DNA analysis service providing information and tools for individuals to learn about and explore their DNA. We use the Illumina OmniExpress Plus Genotyping BeadChip (shown here). In addition to the variants already included on the chip by Illumina, we've included our own, customized set of variants relating to conditions and traits that are interesting. Technical information on the performance of the chip can be found on Illumina's website.



In 2007, Google, whose co-founder Sergey Brin is married to the co-founder of 23andMe Anne Wojcicki, invested $3,900,000 in the company,

Appealing to the emotional body:- the stories (https://www.23andme.com/stories/)

- don't stand between me and my DNA
- finding family
- partnering with people in research
- the power of knowing
- what makes Steve tick


A further erosion of perceived personal privacy. 
Freedom of choice.
The great pretender.

[skippy]

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 000000 computations, 2 billion$ investment, and not even capable to make a single joke or a potato...?

[Bill Ryan]

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Many thanks for the thread. This is a really important subject to understand.

Dr Bill Deagle and others have reported a number of times that these AI supercomputers exist already and have done for a number of years. In Dr Bill's seminal 2006 Granada Forum lecture, he described how he had been shown one of these [enormous] machines deep under what was then called Falcon Air Force Base in Colorado.

The full video is here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOz0-Hy1rm8

To download, click here:
http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DtO z0-Hy1rm8

Here's the transcript of the relevant part:






In my exposures I have been in underground cities. I have worked for the Iridium Satellite Project. I’ve been the doctor for U.S. based command strategic defense, the Echelon Project, and the World Identification and I’ve taken care of people in the most classified facilities on the planet in Colorado. Colorado has more classified material underground there and more computing power -- quantum computing -- than all the rest of the planet put together, by a very large order of magnitude.

Most of these facilities are in underground cities. I was in one of them and it was very impressive. It’s Schriever Air Force base east... 18 miles east of Colorado Springs. And the facility, the main facility building, is actually underground about a quarter mile and it was shielded in two-and-a-half inches of seamless stainless steel ringed by an anti-missile system and scalar weapons as well as a full tactical division of Star Wars weaponry.

They had a quantum array and I physically walked through the quantum array. It’s gallium arsenide Cray-5 computers. You may have heard that these other Teraflop computers are the most powerful in the world, and they’re liars. The most powerful computer was developed by Seymour Cray, who, eleven months after its discovery, his systems went Section 11 -- I believe it is -- Chapter 11, and he died on the I-25 freeway just north of Air Force academy in one of these weird accidental deaths; where a car crossed the freeway in complete, bright, clean black-top and completely T-boned his car and crushed him and killed him instantly.

So Seymour Cray had done the impossible. He’d actually, without zero gravity, he created a gallium arsenide chip that had to be created, at almost minus 200 degrees Kelvin, in order to create this chip that allowed quantum computing. To give you an idea -- the Cray-4 computer -- Cray-5 can do the calculations in teraflops that’s equivalent to 100,000 Cray-4s. Gives you an idea just of just how powerful this is.

I’ll show you tonight why quantum computing is part of the matrix they’re building and why this is so important. When I walked through the array, they had hundreds and hundreds of Cray computers all in a giant cube underground connected by fiber optic high speed networks. They weren’t just using regular, they were using ultraviolet fiber optics which is much, much higher speed information transfer. Huge cables, the size of your thumb, hundreds and hundreds of them connecting through this array.

If you knew the computing power, they are... and I was told this by my NSA contacts because I have very high contacts, people that learn on a need to know basis; the President does not have access to.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I think the moderation team should make another forum sub-section called "priority threads" or something like that, so they could move extremely important threads such as this one there.

In my opinion, it would be extremely useful to have all major "dots" in one place, instead of scattered all around PA, so we could focus more effectively on connecting them.

Just my two cents...

Raf.

[Bill Ryan]

I think the moderation team should make another forum sub-section called "priority threads" or something like that, so they could move extremely important threads such as this one there.

In my opinion, it would be extremely useful to have all major "dots" in one place, instead of scattered all around PA, so we could focus more effectively on connecting them.


Very good idea. We have many times debated how best to archive and make more prominent the core information on the forum -- and there's an enormous amount of it that can be almost impossible for a new member to find. There are now over 50,000 threads (!).

:focus:

[Jeffrey]

sICXOwOwS4E

[gripreaper]

I do think this is what is happening on a deeper level, both in the collective, here at Avalon, and inside each of us. This AI intelligence has taken on a new level of sophistication, whether it is related to the Utah data center or not, or whether this technology has been around for years as Bill Deagle has said.

It's being used in new ways now. Instead of only targeting individuals on psychotropic drugs and using them as mind controlled patsies, this AI now has the ability to distill massive amounts of information into distinct emotional states, psychic and astral, as well as physical, and apply it to all of us.

Tell me you don't feel and sense a difference in the last couple months since Sandy Hook.

[Bill Ryan]

It's being used in new ways now. Instead of only targeting individuals on psychotropic drugs and using them as mind controlled patsies, this AI now has the ability to distill massive amounts of information into distinct emotional states, psychic and astral, as well as physical, and apply it to all of us.


Yes, I agree fully. The AI is being used with an active interface to the psychic warfare scenario. This technology has been in place for about 25 years (according to what we were told by Henry Deacon).

See http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html for more on this, how it works, and an account of my very strange and utterly real personal experience with it.

Extract:






AI surveillance and access to knowledge

The AI surveillance system, Jake told us, was literally "out of this world". It operates hyperdimensionally, based on a highly advanced quantum computing model that is basically our development based on acquired alien technology. This system is so advanced that the ETs themselves are unhappy that we have it.

Not only does it enable access to what any given person is saying, or even thinking - if targeted for investigation - it can also transcend time itself and thereby access information about the thoughts and words of historical figures. Whether this system can look into the future - the Tom Cruise movie Minority Report, based on a story by the prolific author Philip K. Dick, comes to mind - we omitted to ask.

Jake's actions in being sensitive to this device (if device is the right word) - by waiting for exactly the right 'window' of opportunity to tell us certain things - were not fully understood by us until I (Bill Ryan) had the following experience.

On our last night together, sitting out in the open after a barbecue, at about 2 am, Jake decided to tell me some things he had not previously revealed, surveillance or no surveillance. As he began to speak, he immediately encountered problems, as if trying to force himself through a barrier. Simultaneously, I found I was being put to sleep and could hardly keep my eyes open. We both spotted what was happening, and remarked on it to one another.

Jake forced himself to keep talking, and I made myself keep listening through a spell of overwhelming dopiness. This episode lasted half an hour or maybe more. We were being forcibly stopped, in real time, from communicating effectively, as a direct and immediate response to our intentions.

It's very important to understand that this was unconnected with electromagnetics, hidden microphones, targeted beams, or anything else of that nature. My own reference point for what happened was a kind of negative radionics (http://www.radionic.co.uk/) (which also works hyperdimensionally, but as a positive health modality).

In the end we concluded our conversation, now pretty tired. The next morning I simply could not recall what Jake had told me - and still can't. Upon meeting him again and reporting that I couldn't remember a thing about our conversation except for the weird effects we had both experienced, he replied wryly:

Maybe it's just as well.

[sheme]

Dr Bill Deagle thank you and your family for your bravery I will send my thanks and love your way. I'm an hour 15 into this -never heard it all before- off for a cup of tea -then back for some more.

Just noticed the surname it is Eagle with a D? I had a dream along time ago where I looked into the left eye of the Eagle!

Thanks for this important post Bill.




(Hey this is my post 42! for hitch hikers guide to Galaxy fans)

[gripreaper]

It's being used in new ways now. Instead of only targeting individuals on psychotropic drugs and using them as mind controlled patsies, this AI now has the ability to distill massive amounts of information into distinct emotional states, psychic and astral, as well as physical, and apply it to all of us.


Yes, I agree fully. The AI is being used with an active interface to the psychic warfare scenario. This technology has been in place for about 25 years (according to what we were told by Henry Deacon).

The implications of this are staggering.

This means, the ability to steer consciousness and public perception with such precision, that most will not recognize this at all. It also means, whenever there is insurgents or miscreants, they can be eliminated or used in such a way as not to stir up the collective, who are being systemically led towards an outcome which they are fully embracing, which is designed to complete the total slavery of their existence, and they will scream for it and demand it!

The level of power mongering which is being subscribed to these elite is utterly abhorrent, so don't tell me they are rehabilitatible or have a single ounce of empathy, and are not totally reprobate psychopaths. The "greed" gene is the only gene which will metastasize as it is fed, and continues to grow until the host is consumed.

[SilentFeathers]

I do think this is what is happening on a deeper level, both in the collective, here at Avalon, and inside each of us. This AI intelligence has taken on a new level of sophistication, whether it is related to the Utah data center or not, or whether this technology has been around for years as Bill Deagle has said.

It's being used in new ways now. Instead of only targeting individuals on psychotropic drugs and using them as mind controlled patsies, this AI now has the ability to distill massive amounts of information into distinct emotional states, psychic and astral, as well as physical, and apply it to all of us.

Tell me you don't feel and sense a difference in the last couple months since Sandy Hook.

I've noticed a HUGE difference since Sandy Hook, it has been amplified somehow, blasting what little bit of common sense some people had left in their minds into evaporated dust.....some are not affected much while others are warped bigtime.

It is not a perfect weapon or energy pulse yet IMO.

As I said in another post, the middle ground is becoming thinned out, one is either aware or not aware, very few are "undecided" IMO.

I also think we are in for a huge false flag or natural earth/cosmic event soon (or both) that will further divide the "state of mind" in the masses.

In a biblical sense it is as Michael at war with the Dragon, a battle beyond the physical and more so in the spiritual, being felt and noticed in the mind.....the only way modern man perceives things for the most part now a days.

[RMorgan]

On our last night together, sitting out in the open after a barbecue, at about 2 am, Jake decided to tell me some things he had not previously revealed, surveillance or no surveillance. As he began to speak, he immediately encountered problems, as if trying to force himself through a barrier. Simultaneously, I found I was being put to sleep and could hardly keep my eyes open. We both spotted what was happening, and remarked on it to one another.

Jake forced himself to keep talking, and I made myself keep listening through a spell of overwhelming dopiness. This episode lasted half an hour or maybe more. We were being forcibly stopped, in real time, from communicating effectively, as a direct and immediate response to our intentions.


Bill,

Similar things happened to me a few times as well, during conversations where key subjects are being discussed.

I remember clearly of a similar episode, when I was lecturing about my relationship with "reality" to a philosopher friend, and something really weird happened; It seems that something turned off a switch inside his mind; He was just standing there, looking at me with his eyes and mouth wide open, without even blinking, for about a minute or so, like he was in some sort of trance.

Even here, sometimes I struggle to type a reply, as I´ve reported before.

Definitively, something is happening, specially, as gripreaper said, after the Sandy Hook incident. I can sense it as well.

If they´re really intending to fully activate this technology for massive mind manipulation purposes, we´d better be ready then, because things are going to get pretty messed up.

Raf.

[sheme]

This would appear to be the reason 42 came into my head , I needed to get a reference so I searched and used the Independent newspaper link for it (Logo is also an Eagle)- when I spot this - which is relevant to this thread. If not then please move.

I don't want to be spied on by US. Which are best PC settings to use ?please.

wherhttp://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/british-internet-users-personal-information-on-major-cloud-storage-services-can-be-spied-upon-routinely-by-us-authorities-8471819.html

I pray the love that I send them melts their cable. lol

Now back to Dr Bill Deagle.

[skippy]

Before projecting all kind of exotic ideas and magical powers onto AI - the technology - it's important to know what can and what cannot be done with AI. Basically, AI is about modelling reality in order to predict events and for other control purposes. An error goes with it and one of the main objectives during the modelling process is to reduce the error. In doing so, more information and processing power is needed to get better models of reality. Also, influencing reality itself, by limiting the influence of the error generating variables, can be a mean to improve the model. Basically, an AI can be considered as a great pretender, mimicking reality. Predicting the collective mind (and how reel is that?) is one of the more interesting subjects for advanced AI. It's mechanistic caracteristics, make accurate (mind) prediction and control a reel possibility. Predicting "beingness" is a whole other story and can be considered as a bug for the AI while responsible for creating errors. It's basically impossible to predict the unpredictable, or limit the infinite, and how cool is that.. :cool:

[doodah]

Before projecting all kind of exotic ideas onto AI - the technology - it's important to know what can and what cannot be done with AI. Basically, AI is about modelling reality in order to predict events and for other control purposes. An error goes with it and one of the main objectives during the modelling process is to reduce the error. In doing so, more information and processing power is needed to get better models of reality. Also, influencing reality itself, by limiting the influence of the error generating variables, can be a mean to improve the model. Basically, an AI can be considered as a great pretender, mimicking reality. Predicting the collective mind (and how reel is that?) is one of the more interesting subjects for advanced AI. It's mechanistic caracteristics, make accurate (mind) prediction and control a reel possibility. Predicting "beingness" is a whole other story and can be considered as a bug for the AI while responsible for creating errors. It's basically impossible to predict the unpredictable, or limit the infinite, and how cool is that.. :cool:

Very well said, IMO, Skippy. Any inflated supercomputer/quantum computer is extremely dangerous because it must be chock full of errors. Not just "error" - ERRORS.

Who is programming this thing?

We humans don't know half of what we think we know. I would posit that NOBODY understands all the possible synergistic opportunistic combinations of every chemical element on this planet as they exist in the natural world; nor what happens when manmade artificial elements are introducted into that mix. Nor does anyone understand how those natural and unnatural chemicals might interact synergistically with the new nano products being produced willynilly without regulation, oversight, or understanding. Now toss the unknowable wild cards of nuclear power plant and Fukushima radiation into the mix. You get "surprises" all down the line here, most of them negative. The proof is outside our window, in our world. How can this computer help us understand anything if we can't give it all the data it would need in order to actually work properly?

Did we "know" that exploding atomic bombs punches holes in time/space? Do we even know at this time what that actually means and what the effects might be? If we don't know that, how can these computers make actual, real, practical, valid, beneficial models of "reality"? I'm sure it can make destructive models - that's easy; we're very good at doing that ourselves.

[AnthonyBacala]

On our last night together, sitting out in the open after a barbecue, at about 2 am, Jake decided to tell me some things he had not previously revealed, surveillance or no surveillance. As he began to speak, he immediately encountered problems, as if trying to force himself through a barrier. Simultaneously, I found I was being put to sleep and could hardly keep my eyes open. We both spotted what was happening, and remarked on it to one another.

Jake forced himself to keep talking, and I made myself keep listening through a spell of overwhelming dopiness. This episode lasted half an hour or maybe more. We were being forcibly stopped, in real time, from communicating effectively, as a direct and immediate response to our intentions.


Bill,

Similar things happened to me a few times as well, during conversations where key subjects are being discussed.

I remember clearly of a similar episode, when I was lecturing about my relationship with "reality" to a philosopher friend, and something really weird happened; It seems that something turned off a switch inside his mind; He was just standing there, looking at me with his eyes and mouth wide open, without even blinking, for about a minute or so, like he was in some sort of trance.

Even here, sometimes I struggle to type a reply, as I´ve reported before.

Definitively, something is happening, specially, as gripreaper said, after the Sandy Hook incident. I can sense it as well.

If they´re really intending to fully activate this technology for massive mind manipulation purposes, we´d better be ready then, because things are going to get pretty messed up.

Raf.

Fully agreed Raf.

After Vivek's original posts, I started researching further into the material. As I started digging further, I felt extremely cloudy and as if being put into a trance sleep. It was so hard to fight through this, and I had to keep moving with my computer to stay awake.

Last night, the same thing happened, and I awoke not realized I had fallen asleep. Apparently, during this time, all of our electricity went out, and came back on. The clocks were all blinking, and I couldn't figure out how I had fallen asleep, as it was only 10:30.

I have felt a lot of odd occurences lately. I am going to start documenting them in a journal and see if something adds up.

[sheme]

Happy anniversary Vivek, love and light to you. This is a special OP

[Jeffrey]

On our last night together, sitting out in the open after a barbecue, at about 2 am, Jake decided to tell me some things he had not previously revealed, surveillance or no surveillance. As he began to speak, he immediately encountered problems, as if trying to force himself through a barrier. Simultaneously, I found I was being put to sleep and could hardly keep my eyes open. We both spotted what was happening, and remarked on it to one another.

Jake forced himself to keep talking, and I made myself keep listening through a spell of overwhelming dopiness. This episode lasted half an hour or maybe more. We were being forcibly stopped, in real time, from communicating effectively, as a direct and immediate response to our intentions.


Bill,

Similar things happened to me a few times as well, during conversations where key subjects are being discussed.

I remember clearly of a similar episode, when I was lecturing about my relationship with "reality" to a philosopher friend, and something really weird happened; It seems that something turned off a switch inside his mind; He was just standing there, looking at me with his eyes and mouth wide open, without even blinking, for about a minute or so, like he was in some sort of trance.

Even here, sometimes I struggle to type a reply, as I´ve reported before.

Definitively, something is happening, specially, as gripreaper said, after the Sandy Hook incident. I can sense it as well.

If they´re really intending to fully activate this technology for massive mind manipulation purposes, we´d better be ready then, because things are going to get pretty messed up.

Raf.

Fully agreed Raf.

After Vivek's original posts, I started researching further into the material. As I started digging further, I felt extremely cloudy and as if being put into a trance sleep. It was so hard to fight through this, and I had to keep moving with my computer to stay awake.

Last night, the same thing happened, and I awoke not realized I had fallen asleep. Apparently, during this time, all of our electricity went out, and came back on. The clocks were all blinking, and I couldn't figure out how I had fallen asleep, as it was only 10:30.

I have felt a lot of odd occurences lately. I am going to start documenting them in a journal and see if something adds up.

The same thing has happened to me when I begin digging into this material in particular (beginning a few weeks ago). It's happened mid-day before too -- I could not stay awake. This has happened several times when posting/researching this topic. It's not like it is when you are naturally tired. It feels more like you just took some potent sleeping medication.

Also, about a week ago, my mind was buzzing before I went to bed. I had been reading and thinking about all this stuff. The dreams I had were incredible. It was a light sleep so I remember barely waking up every so often and thinking, "Oh wow, this all makes sense now." I mean it really made sense. It was like the information was falling into place, it was a great feeling. I thought to myself when I woke up I was going to write this all down.

When I woke up I didn't remember anything, I just knew that there was something really important there and I couldn't remember it! I remember my dreams; I have many dreams throughout the night, and I usually remember a lot when I wake up.

[SilentFeathers]

Also, about a week ago, my mind was buzzing before I went to bed. I had been reading and thinking about all this stuff. The dreams I had were incredible. It was a light sleep so I remember barely waking up every so often and thinking, "Oh wow, this all makes sense now." I mean it really made sense. It was like the information was falling into place, it was a great feeling. I thought to myself when I woke up I was going to write this all down.

When I woke up I didn't remember anything, I just knew that there was something really important there and I couldn't remember it! I remember my dreams; I have many dreams throughout the night, and I usually remember a lot when I wake up.

This same type of thing happened to me, I remember bits and peices of the dreams but can't come to any conclusion to what they actually were about, quite strange.

I'm hoping I remember, but I am having my doubts now as more days go by. I think whatever we were talking about in 9eagle9's thread when the conversation turned to spiders and webs provoked these dreams in me.

ADDED: I personally think that these spider like critters are spinning their webs in the minds of a few individuals in the two psychic attack threads. Have you skimmed through those threads lately Vivek (and others)?????? Something really does not seem "right" or "contained/controllable" in these threads. I keep wanting to continue posting in these threads but something is telling not to, that whatever I post in there will not be seen/heard/read as I intend it to be.

Ironically we call these pages here in forums threads!

[peterspm]

humans are to unpredictable, we cannot be modeled to 100 percent accuracy. if technology were an all powerful weapon, why are we not already subdued?

[SilentFeathers]

I'm moving this post forward as I added something to it that I feel is important....




Also, about a week ago, my mind was buzzing before I went to bed. I had been reading and thinking about all this stuff. The dreams I had were incredible. It was a light sleep so I remember barely waking up every so often and thinking, "Oh wow, this all makes sense now." I mean it really made sense. It was like the information was falling into place, it was a great feeling. I thought to myself when I woke up I was going to write this all down.

When I woke up I didn't remember anything, I just knew that there was something really important there and I couldn't remember it! I remember my dreams; I have many dreams throughout the night, and I usually remember a lot when I wake up.

This same type of thing happened to me, I remember bits and peices of the dreams but can't come to any conclusion to what they actually were about, quite strange.

I'm hoping I remember, but I am having my doubts now as more days go by. I think whatever we were talking about in 9eagle9's thread when the conversation turned to spiders and webs provoked these dreams in me.

ADDED: I personally think that these spider like critters are spinning their webs in the minds of a few individuals in the two psychic attack threads. Have you skimmed through those threads lately Vivek (and others)?????? Something really does not seem "right" or "contained/controllable" in these threads. I keep wanting to continue posting in these threads but something is telling not to, that whatever I post in there will not be seen/heard/read as I intend it to be.

Ironically we call these pages here in forums threads!

[RMorgan]

I personally think that these spider like critters are spinning their webs in the minds of a few individuals in the two psychic attack threads. Have you skimmed through those threads lately Vivek (and others)?????? Something really does not seem "right" or "contained/controllable" in these threads. I keep wanting to continue posting in these threads but something is telling not to, that whatever I post in there will not be seen/heard/read as I intend it to be.

Ironically we call these pages here in forums threads!

Hi my friend,

Man, I believe the whole internet is infected by now, including the whole forum, not just a few threads.

Have you noticed how things are slow around here? Personally, I don´t feel compelled to make new threads or reply in existing ones, and it seems that a lot of people here are feeling the same as well.

As Vivek and you have described, I have moments of powerful insights about this issue and then, when I try to write them down, it all goes away.

After the first attack incident, my mind was functioning very fast, like in turbo mode, now, my thoughts feel very cloudy.

Anyway, I´m not a big Fulford´s fan, but I remember him talking about a rogue AI or something like that. We´re not talking about any AI, but a self-aware, self-programming AI, which is a completely different story.

I such case, what such sort of AI could do? Let´s say it concludes that the current human behavior will lead us to extinction. What would it do to fix this problem?

What if such AI, that may even be extra-terrestrial in origin, concludes that planet Earth will do much better without humans? What would it do to fix this problem?

Anyway, about the spiders, I´d like to try something, just to see if other people may be able to see them as well. I guess most people wake up in the middle of the night, randomly. Next time you wake up at night, pay close attention to shadowy corners of your bedroom´s ceiling; see if you can find some dark spots there. If you find a dark spot, focus on it. If it´s a scuttler, it will start moving because they don´t like being observed, then you´ll see it, moving just like a regular spider would move, and then it will fade away. If anyone is willing to participate in such experience, let me know about your results.

Raf.

[Bill Ryan]

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Another piece of the puzzle. Dr Bill Deagle told us in his Camelot interview of an AI project which he called the Virtual World project.

http://projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle.html

Summary: every datum that is known (pretty much everything) is programmed into a virtual supercomputer model of the world. Every communication, every financial transaction, every object, every person, every personal behavioral and attitudinal profile, every network of people.

This is then used for predictive programming, like a supergiant chess computer. "If we do this, what will the response be, and what will happen next?"

(Think: Start WW III, close down the internet, declare martial law, introduce such-and-such a bill, make XXX the new president... anything they might think of as a good idea to progress their agenda.)

All this is played out like a giant war game before they fire the shots. Our own reactions are all anticipated and factored in.

For what its worth, Charles also told me about this facility. There's reason to believe that there are four interconnected supercomputers, btw: one in Colorado, one in New Mexico, one in Pine Gap, and one in London. Charles was familiar with the one in London, but did not know about the rest. Bill Deagle personally visited the one in Colorado, and the data on the others came from Barry King and Jake Simpson respectively. Of course, they may be more.

Extract from the interview transcript with Bill Deagle: (http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bill_deagle_interview_transcript_1_en.html)







Bill Deagle (BD): Right. They’ve done lots of modeling. In fact they have one of the most advanced programs at the University of California in San Francisco. And they’re tied directly into the National Reconnaissance Office.

This, by the way, I do regularly on my show -- release classified information. And there they have all this access to the Cray 5s and Cray 4 super-computer arrays, and so they will do simulations.

Kerry Cassidy (KC): And that’s located in Denver, right?

BD: Well, that’s where the main node is. It’s actually Shriver Air Force Base. But they also have their systems elsewhere. And people need to know that the world that they believe in is a fairytale that never existed. Right?

Bill Ryan (BR): Right.

BD: So anyway, this is at university level. They have a social modeling super-computer program. And what they do is, they try different perturbations. They’ll try a little thing, put a balloon up, put a media event. And they’re able to model that based on getting information back.

They’re able to do specific searches, which are called “architectural searches,” not all that different from the Half Past Human or the Princeton University kind of “eggs” thing.

They’re actually mining the Internet; they’re mining phone conversations. They’re mining data from peoples’ cable boxes, which they’ve cut two ways so they can know what they’re watching. And they have what’s called “data architecture” software that can actually analyze it.

BR: Yep.

BD:. . . .ah, that’s a possibility, that they can do that. But the most important is they just know what they’re viewing. And if they know what they’re viewing, what the box is turned on to, they can actually put this back into their data. And they can then say, based on area code distribution, demographics, etc...

BR: Yep.

BD: Because people need to know that every phone conversation always was monitored. Every fax always was monitored. And they have had super-computers.

And in 2003 they launched what’s called the AI system, which is an intelligent super-computer with the Intelligence of a human being -- in other words, a smart human being but able to think 10 trillion times faster, with the access to all known knowledge and history and a complete access to the Internet and all the communications pathways. So...

KC: With that in mind, the modeling they are making... Their plan, their agenda, is going to be played out as what? The biggest surprise they can think of?

BD: Well, no. What they are do is build a cybernetic copy of the Earth.

KC: Right.

BD: They can actually do models with that and try to do what’s called “timeline pathway analysis”.

BR: Yep.

KC: Right. But how do they choose? Do you know that?

BD: Yeah.

BR: An entire virtual world, with virtual people.

BD: In a virtual world. I actually took care of employees working on what’s called the Sentient World Project in Denver.

KC: Yes. But I still don’t understand, you know, how they’re choosing their scenario. In other words, we know that the financial collapse...

BD: Well, they can try a scenario and they can actually try it in the cyber-world and then they can see the response based on...

KC: Right. But have you gotten feedback from say, secret deep black projects, saying, you know, they have chosen this scenario?

BD: Ah, some things. Some things. Yeah.

BR: Give us some clues, Bill.

BD: Well, I’ll give you an example. One of the first things is, by doing this modeling, it means that they don’t do it in just a kind of... In other words, they’re not just trying it on the public. They try a different thing.

For example, they had the Countrywide financial collapse earlier this year, and then they had the collapse of Lehman Brothers. And they try each thing. And they try to see what kind of response they’re getting from the public. And they feed that back into the model.

Now, when I took care of the people that were working on the Sentient World Project, they actually created a cybernetic model of the Earth. It’s an actual physical model in hyperspace that is down to a tolerance of about a centimeter-and-a-half. All the roadways, buildings, everything, people. Everybody inside that model are actually considered, called, nodes. That’s their actual term they use for it.

BR: Yep.

BD: Besides doing the simulator computer modeling, they’re using other technologies. Some of them are quite alien, if you want to call it.

BR: I can believe it.

BD: And they’re using these technologies so they can actually analyze timeline pathways. Because what they’re trying to do is...

KC: So we’re talking about Looking-Glass, then?

BD: Yeah. Exactly. And, of course, a lot of the people don’t understand that most of these are actually based on what’s called torsional vortex imaging, which is hyperdimensional imaging.

BR: Yep.

BD: And torsional vortex imaging we’ve had since the 1950s, reverse-engineered.

BR: Yep.

BD: Torsional vortex imaging was the top project of HAARP. It was not the bottom project; it was the top project.

BR: OK.

BD: So torsional vortex imaging allows them to look through the Earth to see all the resources. So the primary thing was to drop a thermal-magnetic mirror with aluminum and barium salts.

BR: Which is the chemtrail project?

BD: Yeah. But it’s really high, 73- to 80-thousand feet. You won’t see these.

BR: OK.

BD: And when the particles are put up there, they last two to three years in space because they layer out and they get locked into that layer at the upper troposphere. OK?

BR: Yep.

BD: And it acts as a mirror for what’s called torsional vortex imaging. So they can throw a pulse and see an echo that comes back and they can image it.

BR: I got it. Yep.

BD: So they can see oil resources, gold, minerals, titanium, whatever they need, and they can also see through the Earth and see underground bases, cities, facilities. So, for example, when Sichuan...

BR: Some of this stuff that isn’t even ours.

BD: Right. Yeah. And they can also see stuff that’s not ours. Exactly. They see giant caves and cavern systems that go hundreds of miles through the Midwest.

BR: Right.

BD: But they can also see things like military bases, like the Chinese nuclear and military munitions base that was struck with a tectonic weapon in Sichuan, west China. That was a specific use of tectonic technology. Right?

BR: Yep. Mm hm.

BD: Now, we have our version of it. And the Russians have a new system called a super-capacitor technology, so they were able to make these very, very powerful capacitors that can generate similar things to our HAARP technology. Right?

KC: OK. But where are they going with this? That’s actually what we...

BD: Yeah. Well, where they’re going with all this... Just to give you an idea: The first thing is, you have to look at the menu of what they have. And they try various items, try to perturbate on new computer modeling.

And then they decide whether they’re going to proceed now or in the near future. Like, a lot of people say: Well, why hasn’t there been another 9/11?

BR: Mm hm.

BD: Right? Another... like blowing up cities or doing other things? Because for years they’ve been doing war-game simulations of a 10-kiloton nuke in a number of cities.

For example, this year it was in Portland Harbor, and last year it was in Charleston Harbor, where they actually did a simulation of a...

And it was not just the U.S. It was the U.S., British, and Canadians, where they were doing a joint war-games simulation of this, and trying to see the civil defense, and the radiation plume, and the movement of the public and, you know, how to handle the bodies, and all this kind of stuff.

So they’re doing all of that. They do this on multiple levels and they feed the data back into their super-computers to decide what will work best.

[SilentFeathers]

I personally think that these spider like critters are spinning their webs in the minds of a few individuals in the two psychic attack threads. Have you skimmed through those threads lately Vivek (and others)?????? Something really does not seem "right" or "contained/controllable" in these threads. I keep wanting to continue posting in these threads but something is telling not to, that whatever I post in there will not be seen/heard/read as I intend it to be.

Ironically we call these pages here in forums threads!

Hi my friend,

Man, I believe the whole internet is infected by now, including the whole forum, not just a few threads.

Have you noticed how things are slow around here? Personally, I don´t feel compelled to make new threads or reply in existing ones, and it seems that a lot of people here are feeling the same as well.

As Vivek and you have described, I have moments of powerful insights about this issue and then, when I try to write them down, it all goes away.

After the first attack incident, my mind was functioning very fast, like in turbo mode, now, my thoughts feel very cloudy.

Anyway, I´m not a big Fulford´s fan, but I remember him talking about a rogue AI or something like that. We´re not talking about any AI, but a self-aware, self-programming AI, which is a completely different story.

I such case, what such sort of AI could do? Let´s say it concludes that the current human behavior will lead us to extinction. What would it do to fix this problem?

What if such AI, that may even be extra-terrestrial in origin, concludes that planet Earth will do much better without humans? What would it do to fix this problem?

Anyway, about the spiders, I´d like to try something, just to see if other people may be able to see them as well. I guess most people wake up in the middle of the night, randomly. Next time you wake up at night, pay close attention to shadowy corners of your bedroom´s ceiling; see if you can find some dark spots there. If you find a dark spot, focus on it. If it´s a scuttler, it will start moving because they don´t like being observed, then you´ll see it, moving just like a regular spider would move, and then it will fade away. If anyone is willing to participate in such experience, let me know about your results.

Raf.

We're on the same page for the most part Raf.

The two threads I mentioned it seems more noticable to me than most of the other threads, perhaps it's the subject matter people are talking about????

It reminds me of what we were talking about concerning an internet "spider trap", pertaining to how things get caught in a loop, in this case of these two threads, I am noticing "a loop"....almost like an addiction, same type of thing in the 9eagle9 "farewell" or "unsubscribed" thread.

I agree that it may have infected the whole internet, but IMO I think it is way beyond the internet. It may be using the wirless and fibre systems, but I think it is also using the electrical and magnetic system of the earth too perhaps the electrical field of the solar system. I feel and believe it may be this big! (the webs of the universe are all connected).

Anyways, the reason I think this is due to the behavior and events that have been happening since the Sandy Hook event. It's been going on a long time before that but was amplified IMO around December 14th, 2012.

I'm seeing this energy like watching how a flock of birds fly, how the collective thought works in a flock, such as how when the bird in the front decides to change direction, all the rest seem to psychically know at the same moment and they all turn together. It seems to be working in such a way with people (most). The gun control fiasco is a good example; most of it makes no logical sense, but the lead bird turns one way and the masses turn with him, leaving most common sense in the dust.....kind of like a year or two ago when these flocks of birds followed the leader and slammed into the ground....they all had to see it coming but couldn't stop themselves from doing it.

I've been thinking about this a lot for well over a month now and I know it's not my imagination, something has drastically changed.

[Christine]

ADDED:

I personally think that these spider like critters are spinning their webs in the minds of a few individuals in the two psychic attack threads. Have you skimmed through those threads lately Vivek (and others)?????? Something really does not seem "right" or "contained/controllable" in these threads. I keep wanting to continue posting in these threads but something is telling not to, that whatever I post in there will not be seen/heard/read as I intend it to be.

This is exactly what the spiders do, it is so frustrating to watch it happen. We need to find a way to disable this... I believe this one of the most important things we can work on together.

In that thread, I just posted a response to modwiz that I thought was balanced and insightful. Instead, he seemed to take it as a challenge. I mention that because it's one of many examples of how there may be active interference in our Avalon communications to deliberately create misunderstandings and conflict.

[sheme]

Some of this negative Intelligence that questionably exists in the ether Matrix what ever, is just our own thoughts. (certainly not all) But our negative thoughts set free into the ether they can be fed and nourished by similar thoughts and will grow, or wither through neglect exponentially, this what I think is happening with the attack thread, many of us can read it all and file away.

Others, more sensitive perhaps younger, share experiences that are released and contribute to the creation of thought forms, but I do insist these are of our own making - and should be dismissed and left alone/starved of attention, these creations are primitive and by that I mean show some of the worst traits of childishness, so as a child that has been brought into creation it wishes to grow, it demands to be fed, that is what I feel may be happening in places on this forum. Some of this creation is now coming to this thread and I don't think are discussing the same thing .

On the other hand positive intelligence and thought forms (love)can easily be used to create a living matrix of our very own, quite capable of the destruction of the negative pulsations/vibrations.
I am sure we have all seen the removal of bad noise on an oscilloscope with another noise superimposed -leaving a flat line, we are all capable of doing this to literally manipulate our own environment, and it is done with LOVE and good volition/intent.

Blessings and love for all.

[SilentFeathers]

ADDED:

I personally think that these spider like critters are spinning their webs in the minds of a few individuals in the two psychic attack threads. Have you skimmed through those threads lately Vivek (and others)?????? Something really does not seem "right" or "contained/controllable" in these threads. I keep wanting to continue posting in these threads but something is telling not to, that whatever I post in there will not be seen/heard/read as I intend it to be.

This is exactly what the spiders do, it is so frustrating to watch it happen. We need to find a way to disable this... I believe this one of the most important things we can work on together.

In that thread, I just posted a response to modwiz that I thought was balanced and insightful. Instead, he seemed to take it as a challenge. I mention that because it's one of many examples of how there may be active interference in our Avalon communications to deliberately create misunderstandings and conflict.

I also find it interesting with what was going on with 9eagle9, the difficulty she was having with certain individuals and vice versa....but yet in her thread things were basically quite smoothe and moving along at lightning speed....

Until she brought sleepy into the thread, from where? yes the troublesome thread. It swayed her thread in to chaos so to speak, neither was to blame IMO, it just was a clash of energy/programs.

It was two "programs" acting like a virus towards eachother, beyond personalities, but most likely just thought waves.

Same thing basically just happened with you and Modwiz it seems....

Perhaps breaking free from this loop so to speak is realizing the inital thought process is corrupt (our first thoughts about something).

I'm thinking about this and really don't know what to think at the moment lol! It's rather quite confusing, exactly the way they want things (everything) to be I'm sure!

[CdnSirian]

From Bill's post #44 - "Our own reactions are all anticipated and factored in."

Pure fantasy but, what if there were no reactions?

Just like we have power where we put our money (some of it anyway), we too have power where we put our emotions and thoughts. We must choose, and have the will to follow, and continue unburdening ourselves.

Last night I was reading a book about teens getting into trouble, and an accidental death. Suddenly I thought "what if that happened to my child"? A whole scenario spun out, my heart started pounding, welled with grief and deep despair. Then I mentally yelled Stop! Did a quick exercise and resumed reading my book. All was well.

[Bill Ryan]

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Right. Our reactions may be largely predictable, but certainly not 100% so. That's what Free Will is all about.

Free Will is the wild card in any equation.

[Beren]

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Right. Our reactions may be largely predictable, but certainly not 100% so. That's what Free Will is all about.

Free Will is the wild card in any equation.

Of course. But it takes courage to realize that you can turn the tide whenever you so please. It takes knowledge and realization that you are child of God and no one can take that fact out of you.

[SilentFeathers]

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Right. Our reactions may be largely predictable, but certainly not 100% so. That's what Free Will is all about.

Free Will is the wild card in any equation.

Very true, being largly predictable that is, especially when factoring in a large population being drugged, posioned, brainwashed, and just simply confused....it's rather quite easy to predict a brainwashed no common sense population.

People like us who are noticing something isn't right so to speak and are trying to figure things out are a danger to the "programming" or the new system being put in place. It's probably people like us that they want to be the first guests at the new fema Inns/suites, or to fill the multiple layered caskets that hold a dozen or more bodies each. What threat are brainwashed zombie like individuals to them?

[bogeyman]

We are becoming to materialistic, and too reliant on technology to the point that without it we cannot survive....thats when it becomes dangerous.

[Calz]

This may not be an appropriate place to post this ... and then perhaps it is the *perfect* place.

I just wanted to take a moment to thank Vivek for not "falling on his sword".

:thank_you2:

Most all of us have felt the "pain" in one fashion or another yet we need quality members that can put together a thread like this more than ever.

Not just as members of a forum ... rather as members of humanity ...

IMHO

[RMorgan]

Some of this negative Intelligence that questionably exists in the ether Matrix what ever, is just our own thoughts. (certainly not all) But our negative thoughts set free into the ether they can be fed and nourished by similar thoughts and will grow, or wither through neglect exponentially, this what I think is happening with the attack thread, many of us can read it all and file away.

Others, more sensitive perhaps younger, share experiences that are released and contribute to the creation of thought forms, but I do insist these are of our own making - and should be dismissed and left alone/starved of attention, these creations are primitive and by that I mean show some of the worst traits of childishness, so as a child that has been brought into creation it wishes to grow, it demands to be fed, that is what I feel may be happening in places on this forum. Some of this creation is now coming to this thread and I don't think are discussing the same thing .

On the other hand positive intelligence and thought forms (love)can easily be used to create a living matrix of our very own, quite capable of the destruction of the negative pulsations/vibrations.
I am sure we have all seen the removal of bad noise on an oscilloscope with another noise superimposed -leaving a flat line, we are all capable of doing this to literally manipulate our own environment, and it is done with LOVE and good volition/intent.

Sheme,

I partially agree with what you say. Negative energetic events triggered by negative collective thoughts can be defeated by it´s positive counterpart.

However, we are talking about some sort of technology here, something very advanced. It´s not something as intangible as thoughts and psychic energy, it´s something real, like solid state technology that exists in several dimensional levels.

I´m convinced, both by intellectual deduction and personal experiences, that such technology can remotely directly interfere with our minds and, what we´re seeing regarding current events, is just the begining.

I agree with Silent Feathers, when he says this technology goes way beyond the internet, and, as I stated before, I believe that this whole technological shift we´ve been experiencing for the last decades, was actually accurately planned so they could finally activate this tech.

Christine,

I feel very frustrated as well about what´s happening here and all around the world. However, honestly, I don´t believe we´ll find a way to defeat such technology, specially regarding this forum and the internet, which is their domain.

I don´t think we can´t deactivate such tech with positive thoughts or psychic energy, just like we can´t turn-off a TV with our thoughts and subtle spiritual practices. For now, all we can do is to sit here, watch and learn about its behavior in the process. The fact that now, a lot of people here are aware about the existence of such thing is a good start, anyway.

Raf.

ADD: Bill, we can´t forget that this isn´t about a passive predictive system anymore.

They may have active agents, the scuttlers, which probably can literally download our thoughts, adding the information to their data-base in real time.

If this indeed is going on, as I believe so, so they can have 100% accurate predictions, or at least something equivalent to 100% statistically.

[SilentFeathers]

This may be a long shot, but I am seriously wondering if HAARP may fit in to this equation?

We CAN NOT go in the wrong direction, but this should be at least considered...

[Christine]

Christine,

I feel very frustrated as well about what´s happening here and all around the world. However, honestly, I don´t believe we´ll find a way to defeat such technology, specially regarding this forum and the internet, which is their domain.

I don´t think we can´t deactivate such tech with positive thoughts or psychic energy, just like we can´t turn-off a TV with our thoughts and subtle spiritual practices. For now, all we can do is to sit here, watch and learn about its behavior in the process. The fact that now, a lot of people here are aware about the existence of such thing is a good start, anyway.

Raf.

Raf,

I partially agree with you, it is no simple matter like turning off a TV set with our minds. But remember they are using our minds to do their manipulations, without us they are holding a bag of wires and transmitters.

As we become aware, stronger, more resilient and flexible they become less effective. If I were to believe that I didn't have the ability to deactivate such tech I would not be able to. So I choose to use my energy in the attempt to do the very thing that might seem impossible.

Of course they are bombarding us right now, we are on the edge of a fuller awakening, so by all appearances we are surrounded and it feels debilitating... that's the effect they want.

Lets make the internet our domain... we are doing that right now. If we see the scuttlers, spiders and manipulation we do not need to fall into the trap. One step above. The primary intent was to distort our words and get us attacking each other. It worked, but I believe we are seeing it and therefore there is diminishing results.

We need to be on our toes for the roll out of the next volley. It will come from a different direction.

This conversation is very important. If we can keep the communication channel open and non contaminated we are making the internet our domain.

Thanks Raf, you know how appreciated you are!

Christine

[Christine]

This may be a long shot, but I am seriously wondering if HAARP may fit in to this equation?

We CAN NOT go in the wrong direction, but this should be at least considered...

Hi SilentFeathers,

I was contemplating just such this morning. It is part of the roll out of course, the total blanketing of the planet with calculated frequencies. I think it is correct that we keep HAARP front and present when talking about AI and how it is being deployed to manipulate our minds.

Christine

[SilentFeathers]

I also believe that the technology is faulty (or vulnerable) and can by all means be "shut off". One can not shut it off though if they are brainwashed or zombified by drugs etc., or simply just unaware of it.

[Calz]

We need to be on our toes for the roll out of the next volley. It will come from a different direction.

This conversation is very important. If we can keep the communication channel open and non contaminated we are making the internet our domain.




The "next volley" could well have to do with the internet itself.

We are "lucky" (if you believe in such) that the net has become the cash cow lifeline to the corporations ... but it has become such a major problem for the PTB we would be foolish to assume this luxury will forever be available to us.

[bogeyman]

Technology is always exploited just look how mobile phones have taken off, a good way to monitor the population by those that wish to. And the health implications from electromagnetic field has been documented.

[gripreaper]

Some of this negative Intelligence that questionably exists in the ether Matrix what ever, is just our own thoughts. (certainly not all) But our negative thoughts set free into the ether they can be fed and nourished by similar thoughts and will grow, or wither through neglect exponentially, this what I think is happening with the attack thread, many of us can read it all and file away.

Others, more sensitive perhaps younger, share experiences that are released and contribute to the creation of thought forms, but I do insist these are of our own making - and should be dismissed and left alone/starved of attention, these creations are primitive and by that I mean show some of the worst traits of childishness, so as a child that has been brought into creation it wishes to grow, it demands to be fed, that is what I feel may be happening in places on this forum. Some of this creation is now coming to this thread and I don't think are discussing the same thing .

On the other hand positive intelligence and thought forms (love)can easily be used to create a living matrix of our very own, quite capable of the destruction of the negative pulsations/vibrations.
I am sure we have all seen the removal of bad noise on an oscilloscope with another noise superimposed -leaving a flat line, we are all capable of doing this to literally manipulate our own environment, and it is done with LOVE and good volition/intent.

Sheme,

I partially agree with what you say. Negative energetic events triggered by negative collective thoughts can be defeated by it´s positive counterpart.

However, we are talking about some sort of technology here, something very advanced. It´s not something as intangible as thoughts and psychic energy, it´s something real, like solid state technology that exists in several dimensional levels.

I´m convinced, both by intellectual deduction and personal experiences, that such technology can remotely directly interfere with our minds and, what we´re seeing regarding current events, is just the begining.

I agree with Silent Feathers, when he says this technology goes way beyond the internet, and, as I stated before, I believe that this whole technological shift we´ve been experiencing for the last decades, was actually accurately planned so they could finally activate this tech.

Christine,

I feel very frustrated as well about what´s happening here and all around the world. However, honestly, I don´t believe we´ll find a way to defeat such technology, specially regarding this forum and the internet, which is their domain.

I don´t think we can´t deactivate such tech with positive thoughts or psychic energy, just like we can´t turn-off a TV with our thoughts and subtle spiritual practices. For now, all we can do is to sit here, watch and learn about its behavior in the process. The fact that now, a lot of people here are aware about the existence of such thing is a good start, anyway.

Raf.

ADD: Bill, we can´t forget that this isn´t about a passive predictive system anymore.

They may have active agents, the scuttlers, which probably can literally download our thoughts, adding the information to their data-base in real time.

If this indeed is going on, as I believe so, so they can have 100% accurate predictions, or at least something equivalent to 100% statistically.

The challenge then becomes, when the beta test goes out, and the results return a high probability that the collective response will be per the agenda, based on the results of the betas test, then the system is designed to proceed?

Of course, we have free will, and the unpredictability of the human species is what's driving them nuts, and these are the "buggs" in the system they have been working out for the last 25 years, and have fine tuned their system to an accuracy of lets say, 1%?

So, when the system has been beta tested at full capacity, to factor in all possible scenarios, all sectors stimulated to full reactivity, and the system grinds this at breakneck speed, and comes back with a 1% contingency, I'd guess they would feel pretty confident to move forward.

Sandy Hook was just such a beta test. It triggered at the heart of the masses emotionally, but it also had the discrepancies in it to trigger the alternative media. This alternative media has been one of the wildcards, one of the variables difficult to model, but I think they got it now.

I've always wondered why the internet was free and why they have allowed it to proliferate and expand to such a degree, and now I think I know why.

[RMorgan]

Christine,

I feel very frustrated as well about what´s happening here and all around the world. However, honestly, I don´t believe we´ll find a way to defeat such technology, specially regarding this forum and the internet, which is their domain.

I don´t think we can´t deactivate such tech with positive thoughts or psychic energy, just like we can´t turn-off a TV with our thoughts and subtle spiritual practices. For now, all we can do is to sit here, watch and learn about its behavior in the process. The fact that now, a lot of people here are aware about the existence of such thing is a good start, anyway.

Raf.

Raf,

I partially agree with you, it is no simple matter like turning off a TV set with our minds. But remember they are using our minds to do their manipulations, without us they are holding a bag of wires and transmitters.

As we become aware, stronger, more resilient and flexible they become less effective. If I were to believe that I didn't have the ability to deactivate such tech I would not be able to. So I choose to use my energy in the attempt to do the very thing that might seem impossible.

Of course they are bombarding us right now, we are on the edge of a fuller awakening, so by all appearances we are surrounded and it feels debilitating... that's the effect they want.

Lets make the internet our domain... we are doing that right now. If we see the scuttlers, spiders and manipulation we do not need to fall into the trap. One step above. The primary intent was to distort our words and get us attacking each other. It worked, but I believe we are seeing it and therefore there is diminishing results.

We need to be on our toes for the roll out of the next volley. It will come from a different direction.

This conversation is very important. If we can keep the communication channel open and non contaminated we are making the internet our domain.

Thanks Raf, you know how appreciated you are!

Christine


Hey Christine,

Of course, a few individuals who are sensitive enough to perceive such influence, can indeed learn about its mechanics and then deliver personal solutions to avoid being manipulated.

However, this brings us back to the awakening issue. What´s the percentage of awake and aware individuals in this world? I have no idea, but very probably it´s not enough.

Even here in this forum, which supposedly is a place crowded with very awake and aware individuals, we were able to see a perfect example on how people can be manipulated to the point of continuously repeating absolute nonsense and behaving like lunatics, during the recent events.

I mean, if this tech worked here, it would certainly work all over the world, where the vast majority of people behave mostly like brain-dead zombies.

You know, there´s a marketing technique called "test-marketing", where a company chooses a very resistive market to launch a specific product, so they can predict how well it will sell globally, or make the necessary modifications so they can detect possible future marketing failures and address them accordingly, in order to increase the possibility of achieving a worldwide successful selling rate.

I believe this is exactly what they are doing regarding Avalon, I mean, if it worked here (resistive market) it will probably work globally. Besides, you can be sure that, right now, they´re analyzing our behavior to address possible issues and make their "product" more effective.

So yes, some of us will learn how not to fall for this trap, but judging by the recent events and general forum behavior, "their" marketing experience was statistically successful.

Cheers,

Raf.

[ulli]

If one wishes to participate on an Internet forum thoughts are essential, as the only commodity available for communication.
All those who tell us to stop thoughts need to first explain what exactly they mean,
because to me this appears like an attempt to shut down the person's mind, and eventually the Internet altogether.

The real question is where do thoughts come from, how do they arise inside our heads, and what do we then do about them.
Internal dialogue is a sign of several people being present in there, all with different opinions.

One must choose an agenda, something to express that can be termed as coming from the MEEEEE, inside, and not from someone else.
So in my view each and everyone needs to form and build a personal philosophy.
Meditation may be the means with which to still the internal chatter, but then what?

Meanwhile meditation combined with contemplation will result in new thoughts, which are clear and serve as a protection against unwanted influences penetrating one's mind.

So in my view all those who speak up against having thoughts,or having a personal belief system are suspect,
and I ask myself why would they want me to give up the beliefs I have built up to today.
Questioning those beliefs is one thing, but to give them up?
Surely when I find a flaw in my beliefs I can always change them for something better.

If an intuition comes in and lights up my mind,
or an inspiration moves my emotions,
or an instinctive gut impulse arises, spurring me to action,
surely I can then take a minute to examine it in the context of my previously held principles,
do a bit of evaluating, before expressing it.
This to me is the only way to maintain my sovereignty,
and protect me from psi-ops, AIs, and other form of mind control.

[Christine]

I became fully cognizant that Avalon was being used as a beta test site during the last test run. We are indeed being monitored, categorized, manipulated, probed and prodded, no doubt about it. And yes, we are a very small minority and the vast majority of people are asleep, drugged and zombified. We are being experimented on to be sure.

However - We so obviously are so much more than we have realized. I don't care how few we are, I don't care the odds, I don't care that they are watching my fingers as they type these words on this screen. If I have no fear even when fearful, if I stand in my integrity, if I get up when knocked down, if I know myself I will become incorruptible.

I have been corrupted in the past, I saw what happened and how it was done, I saw what I participated in, I saw my own self staring at me. I am not afraid.

We are resilient and fluid beings of power, we can adapt and bend and change. We cling to nothing for it is but the illusion of the matrix, it has no power over us.

Even when we falter we still can choose a different outcome. We are timeless and immortal beings of spirit.

No amount of manipulation will change what is true.

[peterspm]

obvious domination of the internet would awaken the masses. and luckily the http protocol is in every opsys on the planet just about, thanks to the architects of unix.

[peterspm]

i'm grateful for the knowledge gleaned from projectavalon, to me this is a unique place. as a point person, i'm directing my energies to the positive. i can't see how it's possible to alter the akashic record, or else it wouldn't be the akashic record. if i have to reincarnate to contribute further, so be it.

[doodah]

From this discussion I'm getting the feeling that it might be best for all of us if we unplugged the system. Anybody have any ideas how that might be done? Or maybe Mother Nature will do it for us?

[Christine]

From this discussion I'm getting the feeling that it might be best for all of us if we unplugged the system. Anybody have any ideas how that might be done? Or maybe Mother Nature will do it for us?

I am fond of saying that we better hurry up and develop our telepathic connections! And I believe that is taking place along with a gazillion other things all at once. It's hard to keep it all sorted out.

[SilentFeathers]

From this discussion I'm getting the feeling that it might be best for all of us if we unplugged the system. Anybody have any ideas how that might be done? Or maybe Mother Nature will do it for us?[

This is why I stated earlier that I think this technology is faulty or vulnerable....that possibly an 1859 Carrington event or some other act of nature could knock this thing off line so to speak....or even some highschool computer geek (perhaps even accidently) knocking/hacking the power source in to malfunctioning. I think whatever it is (the main motherboard so to speak) is beyond human technology, but, I believe certain humans found a way to tap in to it ever so slightly and can manipulate it to alter or corrupt brainwaves and thought patterns, for sinister and evil purposes to help fullfill a psychopathic agenda.

[RMorgan]

I became fully cognizant that Avalon was being used as a beta test site during the last test run. We are indeed being monitored, categorized, manipulated, probed and prodded, no doubt about it. And yes, we are a very small minority and the vast majority of people are asleep, drugged and zombified. We are being experimented on to be sure.

However - We so obviously are so much more than we have realized. I don't care how few we are, I don't care the odds, I don't care that they are watching my fingers as they type these words on this screen. If I have no fear even when fearful, if I stand in my integrity, if I get up when knocked down, if I know myself I will become incorruptible.

I have been corrupted in the past, I saw what happened and how it was done, I saw what I participated in, I saw my own self staring at me. I am not afraid.

We are resilient and fluid beings of power, we can adapt and bend and change. We cling to nothing for it is but the illusion of the matrix, it has no power over us.

Even when we falter we still can choose a different outcome. We are timeless and immortal beings of spirit.

No amount of manipulation will change what is true.

Hey Christine,

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I also believe we´re immortal in essence.

However, what really is annoying to me is the fact that we seem to be clueless on how to apply this concept to change reality, to create a better future.

The thing is, every day, my perspective for mankind´s future is getting darker; Like food poisoning, chemtrails, pollution, poverty, starvation, drones, haarp, wars and uncontrollable greed weren´t enough, now we have this massive mind manipulation technology that seems to be close to achieving its full destructive potential.

...and what can we do about it in the macro level? On the personal/micro level, I´m fully aware that I have a strong mind and I´m even thankful for experiencing what happened in the recent events, which ended up making my awareness even stronger.

However, on a worldwide level, honestly, I don´t see a bright future for mankind, except if some massive miraculous mass awakening event happens, but, of course, we can´t count on miracles when doing strategic planning.

Like you, I don´t fear for myself, but I fear for mankind as a whole. So far, it seems that we´re losing this game.

I don´t want to sound defeatist with this post. I still have hope. What really frustrates me is that everything is happening in front of our eyes, all around the world, and everybody is clueless on how to stop it.

What are we going to do? We don´t know the true nature of our enemies (most people don´t even believe we have enemies or simply don´t care); We can´t pinpoint their location; We don´t know what kind of technology they have; We can´t predict their next actions....Strategically, if this was a war, and I believe it is, we´re in complete disadvantage here.

Knowing our true nature and gaining self-awareness is certainly a good start, but if we´re unable to coordinate and organize, we´re completely vulnerable.

So, where do we go from here, not regarding the forum or ourselves, but the collective? What can we do?

Cheers,

Raf.

[gripreaper]

From this discussion I'm getting the feeling that it might be best for all of us if we unplugged the system. Anybody have any ideas how that might be done? Or maybe Mother Nature will do it for us?

I am fond of saying that we better hurry up and develop our telepathic connections! And I believe that is taking place along with a gazillion other things all at once. It's hard to keep it all sorted out.

I hope a possible antidote is part of the discussion. Sure, we can recognize the manipulations in ourselves as Ulli has suggested, by remaining centered and not tossed about by our emotions, and we can even help shield the effects here at Avalon by remaining united and developing a shield as Fred has suggested here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55216-The-Sacred-Circle

But how do we circumvent the mass manipulation of the collective? IS the dharma assured, and the outcome held in the Akashic records? Has the collective intention of all time on earth always been to descend from source to full individuation, and return to source? Can this collective intention not be broken, only messed with some bumps on the way?

I certainly don't know how to knock this thing offline, as SilentFeathers has suggested. Don't really want to depend on Drake or Fulfords ninjas, white hats, or some geek hacker in his mothers basement.

[Christine]

From this discussion I'm getting the feeling that it might be best for all of us if we unplugged the system. Anybody have any ideas how that might be done? Or maybe Mother Nature will do it for us?

I am fond of saying that we better hurry up and develop our telepathic connections! And I believe that is taking place along with a gazillion other things all at once. It's hard to keep it all sorted out.

I hope a possible antidote is part of the discussion. Sure, we can recognize the manipulations in ourselves as Ulli has suggested, by remaining centered and not tossed about by our emotions, and we can even help shield the effects here at Avalon by remaining united and developing a shield as Fred has suggested here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55216-The-Sacred-Circle

But how do we circumvent the mass manipulation of the collective? IS the dharma assured, and the outcome held in the Akashic records? Has the collective intention of all time on earth always been to descend from source to full individuation, and return to source? Can this collective intention not be broken, only messed with some bumps on the way?

I certainly don't know how to knock this thing offline, as SilentFeathers has suggested. Don't really want to depend on Drake or Fulfords ninjas, white hats, or some geek hacker in his mothers basement.

This is my short answer - borrowing from Margret Mead.


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."


I ask those same questions over and over. We have the answers, it is inside us. It is our heritage that has been robbed. I need some time to write something that might be a place to dig our collective teeth into.

[SilentFeathers]

I certainly don't know how to knock this thing offline, as SilentFeathers has suggested. Don't really want to depend on Drake or Fulfords ninjas, or some geek hacker in his mothers basement.

As I see things right now some off the wall intervention by some ninja's or geeks, or even an act of nature may be the only thing to knock this off line so to speak....at least until someone figures out what it actually is and who is driving it and where power source is located.

Survival of the species depending on a Fulford ninja or some lucky geek playing on a computer! now that is a scary thought! lol

It actually may be something simpler than we are imagining right now that is doing all of this, there's always that possibility that it is only human technology that has somehow tapped in to natural energies of the earth etc and found a way to manipulate brainwaves and thought patterns.....the real beta tests may actually happened a two three years ago when all these birds were dropping out of the sky and all these fish were dieing. They have fine tuned it so to speak and did a major brainwave and thought pattern test on humans about and after the time of the Sandy Hook event, that seems to make some sense to me.

Some blame the magnetic north moving concerning the birds and fish dieing, I don't buy that, it was something more "directly targeted" an seemed "intentional" IMO.

ADDED: Either way, I agree with Raf and a couple others that this thing is on line (functioning) continuously right now, it's up and running so to speak.

[RMorgan]

This is my short answer - borrowing from Margret Mead.


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."



I really like this sentence as well, my dear friend, however it seems to me that the author forgot to include a crucial word:

organized

Many small groups of thoughtful and committed citizens have indeed changed the world, but they were all organized, had solid plans and outstanding leadership.

How can we organize and plan as a collective, specially considering that we´re a large group of people scattered all around the world, that uses the internet, which is highly compromised and can´t be trusted, to communicate with each other?

Raf.

[Christine]

We have been at effect of all of it for far too long.

Time to take back our power. Pure and simple. We are more powerful than anything that is currently being done. Why would so much be thrown at us otherwise?

If they have tapped into our mind with their mind it is because they don't have the capabilities we do. They are devoid of real power so they tap us. They map us. The test us.

If we step into the field of projection we become the matrix makers ourselves. If we remain at the effect we are caught in the reflection.

[peterspm]

i think you're right about 'directly targeted'. the father of both shooters (sandy hook and denver theater) testifying in the libor scandal, or some such bank fraud. bill said something about that too.

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We have been at effect of all of it for far too long.

Time to take back our power. Pure and simple. We are more powerful than anything that is currently being done. Why would so much be thrown at us otherwise?

If they have tapped into our mind with their mind it is because they don't have the capabilities we do. They are devoid of real power so they tap us. They map us. The test us.

If we step into the field of projection we become the matrix makers ourselves. If we remain at the effect we are caught in the reflection.

no no no. neither, we are the projection. question is how is it decided what gets projected? we can only react to what happens by choosing using our own free will. that's co-creation.

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that's the only control we have, choosing what's right from our own free will. that's why 'they' haven't succeeded yet, we cannot be denied our free will.

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that's why i say whatever, let's do again if need be, reincarnate and continue to choose what's right from my own free will.

[ulli]

About choosing one's agenda...here are some more thoughts.

One could say that with the advent of the Internet came a major aha! moment, especially for people who were passive and used to taking orders. Once alone in front of a monitor, people had to respond to the menu in front of them...the computer never told them what to do, but instead offered a variety of options, with the person having the last word.
So to own a computer meant choosing what one wanted to do with it, and define ones own course. This is when advertisers and controllers went into panic mode and pulled all the stops, so as not to lose control over the masses.
People became hooked wherever they had receptacles for the bombardment.
It became harder and harder with the information explosion to know what kind of world one wanted to live in, and which of the thousands of paradigms which are on offer to choose.

So stripping down to zero...all the way down to asceticism, even breatharianism, offered some sense of freedom, at least to have the freedom to reject.

[peterspm]

maybe that's what's i'm discovering, asceticism, had to look that up. the less i have, the better off i am. extrapolating from here, i'd be happy laying on the beach all day. ha h.

[Christine]

We have been at effect of all of it for far too long.

Time to take back our power. Pure and simple. We are more powerful than anything that is currently being done. Why would so much be thrown at us otherwise?

If they have tapped into our mind with their mind it is because they don't have the capabilities we do. They are devoid of real power so they tap us. They map us. The test us.

If we step into the field of projection we become the matrix makers ourselves. If we remain at the effect we are caught in the reflection.


no no no. neither, we are the projection. question is how is it decided what gets projected? we can only react to what happens by choosing using our own free will. that's co-creation.


that's the only control we have, choosing what's right from our own free will. that's why 'they' haven't succeeded yet, we cannot be denied our free will.
that's why i say whatever, let's do again if need be, reincarnate and continue to choose what's right from my own free will.

Let me say it another way -- it is my experience that I am rarely in a state of awareness that allows me to fully exercise my free will. Meaning I am at effect of the environment around me. It that state I am caught in the reflection of the matrix, strings are being pulled and I am reactive.

When I am on the other hand in full cognition of my self I can exercise my free will and project the energy that I choose. I am no longer at effect. On some occasions I can focus enough intent (energy) to change, transmute or communicate what I am choosing.

To know that one has actually changed something there needs to be something demonstrable in the physical.

To answer gripreaper about one of his question - when you see the change you know we have effected it. When a group gets together to effect something physical by non physical means the results can be astonishing. That is why groups with strong intent are considered such a problem.

[bogeyman]

This is my short answer - borrowing from Margret Mead.


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."



I really like this sentence as well, my dear friend, however it seems to me that the author forgot to include a crucial word:

organized

Many small groups of thoughtful and committed citizens have indeed changed the world, but they were all organized, had solid plans and outstanding leadership.

How can we organize and plan as a collective, specially considering that we´re a large group of people scattered all around the world, that uses the internet, which is highly compromised and can´t be trusted, to communicate with each other?

Raf.

"...committed citizens can change the world." Yes indeed and not necessarily apart of a government or an institute, changes are already taking place, yet it seems due to the illusion that is maintained that nothing is altering, but things are changing and they are preparing for the changes that are going to occur...the ground work is being laid for such events that are happening now and in the future.

[doodah]

@Christine:
When a group gets together to effect something physical by non physical means the results can be astonishing. That is why groups with strong intent are considered such a problem.

This is true, Christine, but as far as I know HAARP is still up and running although lots of groups have worked on that problem in a non physical way.

When the Romans conquered Europe, and when the Europeans conquered North America, the Celtic and Native American tribes were scattered and fighting separately but that did not stop the conquest. There were leaders who tried to get the tribes united, but in both cases it came too late, even though the tribes that did unite fought tremendous battles to try to defeat the invaders.

We are like the tribes. We are the indigenous people on this planet now. As RMorgan said: "organized" is the operative word.

[gripreaper]

I certainly don't deny the incredible power of the individual, when tapped into the energy of the source field, the Grand Sophia, the space which is 95% of all that is. Matter is only 5% and therefore, manifestation can be altered with only a remnant. I don't feel powerless.

I know that we are an anomaly to the controllers as they try and figure out how to circumvent free will, self determination, and the soul. I don't think they fully anticipated the awakening which is occurring as a result of the internet, as that was not their intended outcome. I also know that they are pulling out all the stops and their new toy is fully "online" and works pretty damn well.

What I also know, is we need to up our game if we are to be that remnant which can counter such a force. I'm asking many of the same questions, and I feel a sense of urgency in the last few months I have not felt before. How do I bring all 25,000 years of my evolution to bear at this time, all of my lifetimes, all of my experience, all of my heartfelt intentions and dreams, and stand strong, whole and complete as an example of resonance to tickle the same in others?

How do we coalesce and amplify this to manifest?

[bogeyman]

The human being has powers far beyond his current awareness, some are naturally aware of some of their abilities others can be developed. It is to do with his evolvement and spiritual awareness...knowing who he really is. Technology is just a tool, the way it is used is what is important and that comes down to personalities and peoples insight.

[skippy]

maybe that's what's i'm discovering, asceticism, had to look that up. the less i have, the better off i am. extrapolating from here, i'd be happy laying on the beach all day. ha h.

Or stay in bed all day and grow your hair.. and this might be the most easiest way-out (not the safest though...) Truth or beingness = simple. AI or mindness = complicated.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acb15JsCGSk

[RMorgan]

I certainly don't deny the incredible power of the individual, when tapped into the energy of the source field, the Grand Sophia, the space which is 95% of all that is. Matter is only 5% and therefore, manifestation can be altered with only a remnant. I don't feel powerless.

I know that we are an anomaly to the controllers as they try and figure out how to circumvent free will, self determination, and the soul. I don't think they fully anticipated the awakening which is occurring as a result of the internet, as that was not their intended outcome. I also know that they are pulling out all the stops and their new toy is fully "online" and works pretty damn well.

What I also know, is we need to up our game if we are to be that remnant which can counter such a force. I'm asking many of the same questions, and I feel a sense of urgency in the last few months I have not felt before. How do I bring all 25,000 years of my evolution to bear at this time, all of my lifetimes, all of my experience, all of my heartfelt intentions and dreams, and stand strong, whole and complete as an example of resonance to tickle the same in others?

How do we coalesce and amplify this to manifest?

Hey gripreaper,

Well, if someone knows the answer to this question, I mean, not an intangible pseudo-answer, but a real, applicable answer, then this person has to step up and be a leader.

You know, every revolution needs leaders. It´s just how it works for us, humans.

Leaders are the ones who can organize a bunch of people, so they can materialize their goals through well orchestrated actions based on solid plans and strategies.

The problem is that, more than ever, we´re living in dangerous times for real leaders, specially a true spiritual leader.

The established powers don´t save resources to keep this knowledge you´re talking about secret. They want to keep these secrets to themselves for as long as they can, at all costs.

Anyway, back to the main subject, I´d like to know if anyone is interested to participate in this experiment, so we can better understand this ongoing issue:


Anyway, about the spiders, I´d like to try something, just to see if other people may be able to see them as well. I guess most people wake up in the middle of the night, randomly. Next time you wake up at night, pay close attention to shadowy corners of your bedroom´s ceiling; see if you can find some dark spots there. If you find a dark spot, focus on it. If it´s a scuttler, it will start moving because they don´t like being observed, then you´ll see it, moving just like a regular spider would move, and then it will fade away. If anyone is willing to participate in such experience, let me know about your results.

Please, report your results if you experience something unusual.

Raf.

[gripreaper]

Anyway, about the spiders, I´d like to try something, just to see if other people may be able to see them as well. I guess most people wake up in the middle of the night, randomly. Next time you wake up at night, pay close attention to shadowy corners of your bedroom´s ceiling; see if you can find some dark spots there. If you find a dark spot, focus on it. If it´s a scuttler, it will start moving because they don´t like being observed, then you´ll see it, moving just like a regular spider would move, and then it will fade away. If anyone is willing to participate in such experience, let me know about your results.

Please, report your results if you experience something unusual.

Raf.

Will do. I'll report whatever insights I may have.

[ViralSpiral]

I certainly don't deny the incredible power of the individual, when tapped into the energy of the source field, the Grand Sophia, the space which is 95% of all that is. Matter is only 5% and therefore, manifestation can be altered with only a remnant. I don't feel powerless.



I agree Grip. 

I, as an individual, firstly need  take responsibility of/for my own thoughts and actions. What I choose to share and how I do this. 

Secondly, using "freedom of choice", positively and compassionately interact with the greater community. Whether here or amongst my family, friends or the grumpy lady in front of me in the supermarket. The 100th granny is sure to get it. A "paying it forward" of sorts.

It starts with me!

We all acknowledge that technology has succeed in creating  a "sofa hypnotism". Biological containers for varying intelligence. Vulnerable, fearful and dispensable, mostly.  Having said that, this same technology has also offered many a "re-learning", where we have a chance to shed that paradigm. 

Avalon has been such a place for me.

Positive signals scare the spiders and the A.I. can't stick it's tongue out, or build sand castles ;)

[onawah]

Just my two cents here--
from the world of SciFi, Stargate Atlantis gave us the mechanical spiders that the ET Replicant race created.
Also, though this is not an example of SciFi, James of Wingmakers told us about an AI agenda to assimilate humankind (and predicted that it would fail).

In the 1980s, I attended classes at the Berkeley Psychic Institute in Northern California, and many of the psychics there spoke of parasitical spiders, as well as dragon and snake-like entities that could be seen with the third eye and sensed intuitively.
They thought that calm and centered awareness of them was usually enough to dispel them, as I recall, but in some cases, a collective energy was required.
I've seen and sensed them many times.
My best remedy is always to go outdoors and be in Nature, which strengthens and seals up my aura, essentially removing me from their playing field.

These days, thinking about technology just gives me a headache...
It's enough just to get on my computer and write a few words.
Then I'm ready to go off to the woods to sit next to my favorite tree and tune into Nature.

I think this war will be won using different tools than "their mind" uses, though awareness of their game is a very good place to start.

I think our power and strength lie in our organic connection to Nature, All Our Relations, Gaia and the Cosmos.
Our mutual love for the Oneness we are part of, our collective organic soul, is what connects us.
When that is strong enough, telepathic contact naturally arises, without effort.
But it does require some effort to remove the kind of armoring that we build up unconsciously when we are not consciously opening ourselves and connecting with Nature, Gaia, etc.

I think the back to Nature philosophy has always had a lot of the answers we are looking for now.
Self-sustainability, intentional, co-operative community, deep ecology are so nurturing and aligned to the intelligence and Intent of Source.
If we align ourselves with those energies, we become so much more powerful and focused in the center of our Being.

It puts me in mind of the Ents of Middle Earth, who in very short order destroyed the power of Orthanc, the wicked wizard Saruman's citadel.
Once they reached "boiling point", they joined forces and directed the energy of Nature (from which they had never separated themselves) to flood and cleanse the plain and the underground stronghold that Saruman had constructed with his orcs and clones.

It may seem naive to cite an example of fairytale-like fiction when dealing with such an issue as AI, but there is strong magic in Nature and Her allies that we ignore and discount at our peril.
Sometimes the wisest solutions are the most child-like.


Focusing on the problem for too long may only serve to delay the tapping into, summoning and gathering of the tools within ourselves, our community and our most precious, organic resources that are needed to solve the problem.

Saruman, originally a good and wise White Wizard, went astray because of his fascination with the power of Sauron.
He dwelt so long on that power that he lost sight of his connection with Source, convinced that the Darkness was invincible.
Thus, he lent his power to Sauron in subservience, sealing his own fate.

[SilentFeathers]

Anyway, about the spiders, I´d like to try something, just to see if other people may be able to see them as well. I guess most people wake up in the middle of the night, randomly. Next time you wake up at night, pay close attention to shadowy corners of your bedroom´s ceiling; see if you can find some dark spots there. If you find a dark spot, focus on it. If it´s a scuttler, it will start moving because they don´t like being observed, then you´ll see it, moving just like a regular spider would move, and then it will fade away. If anyone is willing to participate in such experience, let me know about your results.

Please, report your results if you experience something unusual.

Raf.

Will do. I'll report whatever insights I may have.

We also need to keep a close eye on the political and military arena too, if the people at the top are not in control of this technology, they are being controlled by it to a large degree, they will make mistakes.

I've been watching for these spiders Raf, thought I see one the other night (literally)....it was a mouse running around my living room!

He finally sat on my wood pile next to my woodstove for a few seconds and I was quite relieved it wasn't a mechanical/machine like "spider"!!!! lol!

[peterspm]

that's good, multiple folks with the same intent. maybe there is a higher authority everyone/everything has to contend with. either way, that's the kind of problem i want to be, i have children and i'm not real happy with the world we're leaving to them. or anybody else's children for that matter.

[Hervé]

[...]

I then became aware of a heavy feeling, like being put inside a bell jar. I had a lot to do that day so I dealt with it by using my will and ignoring the pressure the best I could. It wasn’t until later that day when I was going to do a clearing session for myself that I commented to a friend about the bath tub event, I stated clearly that I knew it was electronically induced and was not my thought, in that instant the heavy energy just blew off of me, the room we were in even brightened noticeably.

[...]

Christine, thank you for that piece of info!

In other threads and posts, I have mentioned many times that there seems to be a deliberate intent and strategy to trigger/re-stimulate past incidents in people; mostly via movies, TV, entertainment "stars," etc...

From your account, it seems "they" don't even have to necessarily have any technology excepted for the one triggering/re-stimulating past electronic incidents which most humans on planet Earth have gone through... just charging the capacitor/condenser of those past incidents. "They" only need to determine some harmonic frequencies of such incidents and broadcast it around.

The above may be something to consider in the assessment of what's happening via the internet and/or directed beams since the phenomena appear to be worldwide and without controlled "experimental" conditions of each individual's environment.

If this is confirmed to be true... then humanity is under a definite state of siege.

PS: this may more appropriately belong to your coming thread?





Mod comment: I copied this to this thread from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55024-Psychic-attacks-solutions-comments-and-advice&p=629964&viewfull=1#post629964), where I felt it also belonged -- Bill

[SilentFeathers]

Note: This post is copied and pasted from another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55239-Breakout-Conversation-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-Reloaded&p=630002&viewfull=1#post630002) as I think it also belongs here:

My Opinion, My Theory (only a possibility for myself and others to consider)....

I personally do not believe this is an entity such as a goblin or ET playing mind games with the human race, I believe it is a small group of people now using new technology to further an agenda to dominate and enslave the human race.

This is a program put in place a long time ago mainly using brainwashing propaganda through the media/TV/Radio and MSM, political and corporate positions, etc. Now we are seeing, feeling, witnessing, thinking, hearing something "different:. People are noticing this new energy so to speak.

I believe some sick pyschopathic anti-human individuals tapped in to some new technology (or enhanced something that already existed) and now has basically fine tuned some type of machine that can add to the great deception program that has been in place now for decades.

This new or dialed in technology has the ability of an advanced propaganda program, enhancing the already in place propaganda/brainwashing programs, in which it can not only fool people like the TV add's and BS MSM does, but it can operate at such a level it that it actually can manipulate brainwaves and thought patterns.

I believe this new technology is using the electrical magnetic system and possibly other EARTH energies, possibly microwaves and or HAARP technology and or all of it together to actually enter the minds of man and play games so to speak with brainwaves and thought patterns.

I believe that this technology was tested a couple of years ago on certain frequency levels which affected birds, fish, turtles, crabs etc, thus causing birds to fall out of the sky or fly in to the ground, massive schools of fish etc to either drown themselves or beach themselves,
migrating animals and mammals to get lost, etc etc. A pole shift did not do this to these creatures folks!

I believe the human test began on July 20, 2012 with the Aurora shooting, but it wasn't dialed in right IMO. The rest of 2012 this machine or power source was fine tuned and on December 14th, 2012 went online so to speak with the Sandy Hook event.

Since the Sandy Hook event a massive propaganda campaign has went in to effect to divide people, to further an agenda to take rights away, to test out new communication propaganda techniques/deceptions (LIES) and this technology is affecting brainwaves and thought patterns causing an incredible amount of people to believe about anything the propaganda masters say regardless of how idiotic it sounds or regardless if it makes any common sense what so ever......

Something has changed since Sandy Hook, or perhaps escalated in a huge way and this is what I think it is, perhaps I'm wrong, but I notice something different with the majority of the population.

They are testing this brainwave and thought pattern manipulater everywhere in targeted groups too IMO. (It didn't work too well with Alex Jones on Piers Morgan's show did it?) It's only working well with uneducated drugged up already brainwashed people to a large extent and causing other more aware people to notice some confusion and other emotional feelings which causes us to clash and or pick sides, causes division, division even when we don't know what we are choosing sides for or why.

This technology is flawed and or not absolute. IMO

This brainwave and thought pattern manipulater is a man-made machine IMO.....and it is being used in an already on going propaganda and brain washing program that has already been in operation for years now.

The propaganda machine has been upgraded folks....

These are just my thoughts and opinions at the moment, my work in progress theory about what may be happening.

Take this post as want to, wrong or right, something major changed in December and it wasn't the great awakening on 12-21-2012, it may actually be the start of the great brainwashed induced coma!

Added: I also believe the CTB (critters that be) bragged about this new technology on a certain level in the Olympic ceremonies through some of the symbolism.

http://media.komonews.com/images/120727_olympics_opening_ceremony_660.jpg

http://freescotland.net/wp-content/plugins/rss-poster/cache/833ff_olympic-rings-rise-up-in-the-stadium-during-the-london-2012-olympics-opening-ceremony-403577260.jpg

http://dailyoftheday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/61864925_jex_1479553_de27-1.jpg

Remember Jessie Ventura's show about the towers being used for brainwashing programs? The show that basically shut him down to a large degree???? Hmmm?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/London_2012_-_Olympic_Closing_Ceremony_178.jpg/800px-London_2012_-_Olympic_Closing_Ceremony_178.jpg

PS: This last photo looks like a control/power grid to me, not some pyramids from Egypt....

[sirdipswitch]

SilentFeathers , you are are spot on my friend, with your post #93.

However... there is a methodology by which one can overcome it.

I have written at length on it, through these two threads:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47841-Adventures-Beyond-the-Body

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul

However... by the very reasoning that you have suggested, this information is being "blocked", from understanding, and no-one here, has been sharp enough to catch on, and overcome it. The answer lies in it's absolute simplicity.

:wizard:

[Conchis]

and it may well be...that the ones that it doesn't work on will see it working more and more easily, while those that it does work on, find us crazier and crazier....and so we become relevant only to ourselves. I think that only makes it more important for us to continue on, aware that we will be perceived as increasingly more marginal. Our reveling in the margins is the best thing we can do for everyone.

[SilentFeathers]

SilentFeathers , you are are spot on my friend, with your post #93.

However... there is a methodology by which one can overcome it.

I have written at length on it, through these two threads:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47841-Adventures-Beyond-the-Body

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul

However... by the very reasoning that you have suggested, this information is being "blocked", from understanding, and no-one here, has been sharp enough to catch on, and overcome it. The answer lies in it's absolute simplicity.

:wizard:

Ironically, wearing a tin foil hat may not be such a crazy idea after all :)

There's so much more to this though, it's mind boggling....all the way down to fluoride, Monsanto, vaccines etc etc etc.

All of this is related and is part of one agenda.

I seriously think this is right in front of our face and isn't really all that hidden, one reason why I think HAARP may be involved. It seems to me that in order for such a program and a tool such as a brainwave and thought wave manipulater to actually work, that it really has to be out in the open. Perhaps it's invisible, but that doesn't mean it's still not in from of our face....such as radio waves and our TV's, etc.

I believe this technology is now wireless and using phones, computers, TV's, radio's etc etc. "They" upped the game bigtime in my opinion.....

Just spend a little time watching TV, specifically the news....common sense and simple logic doesn't exist much anymore and most people eat this crap up as truth. All the new TV shows coming out are about homosexuals, vampires, zombies, people against people, etc etc etc....it's all brainwashing and very dark IMO. It's bizarre and getting more bizarre....

This literal messing with brainwaves and thought patterns on such a large scale is beyond dangerous IMO. It could open up all kinds of things the "great scientist" only thought were fantasy and myths....we are about to see the world change in ways NO ONE ever thought possible.

My post above (#93) I really think is quite accurate in many ways, likely not accurate in many ways, and missing many many details and further reasoning.....but if I am just 10% correct, that is enough for me to take this seriously and to research in to it further.

I thank VIVEK for creating this thread, it is a VERY important topic and if there is any truth in these things (which I think there is) this is also a very urgent thread to get in to deeper.....

[doodah]

NEWSFLASH. *YIKES*

Just heard on the news last night that the United States Government wants to build a free, public, nationwide WiFi system so that "everyone can be connected." Apparently even those who don't WANT to be connected, who now live without computers or TVs, will be bombarded by radio waves powerful enough to penetrate concrete walls. *WOW* *NO ESCAPE*

www.washingtonpost.com/ business/ technology/ tech-telecom-giants-take-sides-as-fcc-proposes-large-public-wifi-netw orks/ 2013/ 02/ 03/
The federal government wants to create super WiFi networks across the nation, so powerful and broad in reach that consumers could use them to make calls or surf the ...

Space Today Online - What is the Electromagnetic Spectrum?
www.spacetoday.org/ DeepSpace/ Telescopes/ GreatObservatories/ Chandra/ ElectromagneticSpectrum.html
The electromagnetic spectrum is a vast band of energy frequencies extending from radio waves to gamma waves, from the very lowest frequencies to the highest possible ...

According to research a friend of mine is doing, the known science indicates that the electromagnetic and chemical bombardment we're increasingly subject to has already affected the way our minds work. There have been changes in the brain, changes in our cognitive functions. He proposes that the majority are already mentally impaired, as compared to people of previous generations. This is why the lack of common sense seems so obvious to people who can still actually think logically. Maybe this WiFi-everywhere plan would eradicate any free thinkers left.

More and more it seems to me that this system needs to be unplugged. I hope someone out there is working on ways to make that possible - for the sake of our sanity and freedom - some kind of worldwide Denial of Service blast.

[Christine]

Thoughts coming through, time to move on. We are given a day to rest and then pick up the baton again and move forward.

Time to reveal the structuring of our world matrix. How it is done and how we influence it. Why they are afraid of us and what the attack via internet vectors does, how it was done and how to protect ourselves.

No time left for denial or division. No time for petty arguments based on philosophy or religion. Only time to reveal the Real being we are. Much is being done in the background, time to bring it forward.

We must speak, without fear. Everyone has a conversation that is authentic going on in their mind, a real being that is you is speaking all the time, differentiate, discern this out.

We were the subjects of a beta roll out – test subjects. I think we performed rather well. Be aware though that the next volley will be more subtle and harder to catch. We will over come however and take back another piece of our self in the process.

This last round was difficult, it was meant to drain us to the point of being unable to function as a cohesive whole, to scatter intent and dilute the importance of the information we were gathering.

It is important to stop all arguments. Language must cease to be a barrier and become our ally. We can understand each other if we don’t get hung up in promoting our own agenda. This must cease. We must prepare for what is to follow.

This I understood from what we were experiencing. The surveillance started to ramp up right after the end or the year. This is what I found by following their energy markers. Their energy markers include but are not limited to; sudden headaches, heart palpitations for no apparent reason, a sense of panic when there is no need, heat building up from inside the body (microwaves), images or thoughts that are clearly not yours, images and thoughts that repeat. Fears and anxiety that vanishes once you detect the false source.

What are the sources of these attacks and what happened on Avalon:
There are multiple sources of manipulation, all depend on finding an entry point in the psyche of the being who is targeted. There is a deep complexity to all of us so many vectors are not seen consciously, these are the points where we are vulnerable.

We have most likely been targeted as a race for millions of years. We are experiments. There is a reason for this. We carry something very special that is unique. (This is not clear.) We have been implanted with false memories, we have been compromised through acts that are abhorrent to us. We have been trained to accept their mind. There is more than one group, we are a product of war.

Current attack came from a combination of manipulated brain wave patterns. Experiments by one or more alphabet agency. Groups of highly psychic people in rooms, wired to computers. Brains waves being mapped and generated. Images and subtle thought patterns generated through electrical means. Wide range broadcast and targeted individuals receptors of messages and impulses. Our mind is a receiver and a transmitter. They are closer to being able to replicate our thoughts so as to not be detectable when transmitted.

Defense and counter offense. We must enable the rest of our mind. Our thoughts are racing right now. Reason for this. They are behind the game. We are introducing new patterns faster than they can reproduce. Our emotions in control, our feeling nature is foreign to them, they crave it, crave strong emotion. Will feast on high emotions not just low ones, feed them high emotions they can be changed.

Heart and mind connection important. Know thyself. Once your know who you are foreign thoughts and implants are easy to detect. Be in present time as much as possible. Know your capabilities, do not doubt yourself. Doubt is an enemy.

-----edit

I thought I might want to clarify how this post came about. I wasn't sure where to post it. I was pretty much compelled to sit down and write. It is a collection of thoughts and experiences over the past six weeks that needed expression.

I posted them to see if there were any resonances or similar experiences.

[SilentFeathers]

This is just the tip of the iceberg so to speak....

Combining Artificial Intelligence with Mind Control
http://www.engineering.com/Videos/VideoPlayer/tabid/4627/VideoId/2153/Combing-Artificial-Intelligence-With-Mind-Control.aspx

This is also a hint of whats going on....

Army developing ‘synthetic telepathy’
Similar technology marketed as a way to control video games by thought

The U.S. Army is developing a technology known as synthetic telepathy that would allow someone to create email or voice mail and send it by thought alone. The concept is based on reading electrical activity in the brain using an electroencephalograph, or EEG.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27162401/

Interesting but creepy stuff for sure!

PS: If people can project a thought in to a machine, it's silly to think that a machine can not project a thought in to people!

(makes me think about the Sandy Hook experiment!)

ADDED:

Here's a good article with some very interesting links at the end of it...


==Mind control==

Conspiracy theory and popular science fiction would have the world believe that the human mind can be remotely controlled. That individuals can be turned into mindless automatons and directly controlled by computers to produce sleepers or assassins. (ref 30) The reality is much less clear.

Interfacing remotely to write to the brain is performed using electrical interference rather like crosstalk (electronics). (ref 31) Much like a drill next to a television, the interference pattern is processed by the brain as information, a variant which induces sensations and feelings is known as Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation. (ref 32) As such, an externally generated monologue will be weaker than the internal monologue of the target subject due to a lesser signal strength. An over-powering signal would interrupt a wide range of neural functions that could impact critical autonomic systems resulting in death.

Two possible methods exist that could result in an individual killing another through the use of synthetic telepathy. The first is to leverage the natural behavior of the target subject, that is, use an individual who would kill another. The second is to induce psychotic symptoms and diminish their mental control (ref 33, 34) In both cases, the underlying mechanics are the same, to provide impulses and sensations that urge the individual to commit murder. This is not hypnosis, but merely physiological manipulation without the knowledge of the target.

Another area of interest and arguably more feasible, is the manipulation of political figures. (ref 35)Thoughts, sensations and impulses can be combined to influence political and personal decision making processes. A similar process can be used to effect the population at large to drive agendas or to maintain power for certain groups, undermining free will and self-expression. (ref 36) As the technology matures and expands to regimes throughout the globe, this will be a major source of concern for governments world-wide.
http://deepthought.newsvine.com/_news/2010/05/21/4322682-synthetic-telepathy-the-hidden-truth

[Bill Ryan]

We were the subjects of a beta roll out – test subjects. I think we performed rather well. Be aware though that the next volley will be more subtle and harder to catch. We will over come however and take back another piece of our self in the process.

This last round was difficult, it was meant to drain us to the point of being unable to function as a cohesive whole, to scatter intent and dilute the importance of the information we were gathering.


Brilliant and important post (two posts before this). The extracted quote above is especially worth underlining.

[SilentFeathers]

We were the subjects of a beta roll out – test subjects. I think we performed rather well. Be aware though that the next volley will be more subtle and harder to catch. We will over come however and take back another piece of our self in the process.

This last round was difficult, it was meant to drain us to the point of being unable to function as a cohesive whole, to scatter intent and dilute the importance of the information we were gathering.


Brilliant and important post (two posts before this). The extracted quote above is especially worth underlining.

Yeap, we all need to find our perspective and stand firm with it, leaving a little room for change except only through common sense, logic, and reason...... It's time to get "smart/wise" and "serious/focused" about where we are and where we are going.

[RUSirius]

It is most definitely a "multi-pronged" attack, think of a typical "war battlefield" archers, cavalry, snipers, foot soldiers, tanks, planes, mortars etc. etc. These methods/equipment are anything but subtle, can not be used in a "subliminal" war. The big difference/challenge I see is how to counter the new methods of warfare being used. There must be a way only because, virtually nothing is impossible, once someone can figure it out (sirdipswitch I will read your post links) then we can all apply the defense and advise others, that is the nature of changing tactics, however not every defense is successful even when changing tactics, sooooo many factors to take into consideration. One simple thing too which we do here at PA is exchanging information, just not sure how to apply it globally.

[Sync]

A sincere series of questions:

Why would this site need to be attacked by AI, three letter agencies, and groups of highly trained psychics when a couple of lonely, self-proclaimed keyboard mystic masters were all it took to shake us to the core?

What if our own self-importance and over-reliance on platitudes were our worst enemies.

What if our distrust of all things main-stream, our resulting reactive avoidance of society, and our learned helplessness against an insurmountable, all-knowing, quantum enemy was their goal?

If I was a psychologist who was paid to develop cheap and efficient destabilization strategies against people like you, I would run a forum. I would feed mis-information to your "whistleblowers." I would rely on reactive thinkers to repeat my dis-information. I would let people think they were on the cutting edge. I would let them feel special, elite... a mirror of those they claim to despise. I would be successful and under-budget. I would be amazed how easy it all was... taking but a gentle nudge to start the snowball rolling down the hill. I would be an unpaid intern working on a very low-priority gig.

What if no external quantum demons were required to dis-empower us?

Who would we blame then?

What would we do if we knew we were free of these demons?

Is it easier to blame someone else for our problems?

What now?

How long do we want to fight windmills?

[Hervé]

Thoughts coming through, time to move on. We are given a day to rest and then pick up the baton again and move forward.

Time to reveal the structuring of our world matrix. How it is done and how we influence it. Why they are afraid of us and what the attack via internet vectors does, how it was done and how to protect ourselves.

[...]



Trying to find something from Franz Erdl to quote, ran into this one I "forgot" about:


Dracs have more skills than making you feel scared. The one who stayed in my house for two days has caused other damage, too. For example, he attached himself (energetically) to an email I was sending, to be able to place himself into the PC of a friend. He wanted to sabotage my friend's PC. He only started to use his fear weapon once I recognized him and tried to chase him off.
Defense and counter offense. We must enable the rest of our mind. Our thoughts are racing right now. Reason for this. They are behind the game. We are introducing new patterns faster than they can reproduce. Our emotions in control, our feeling nature is foreign to them, they crave it, crave strong emotion. Will feast on high emotions not just low ones, feed them high emotions they can be changed.
That's the strategy!

Instead of following them from false flag to false flag... be ahead of them... their turn to attempt to catch up.

[ViralSpiral]

A sincere series of questions:

Why would this site need to be attacked by AI, three letter agencies, and groups of highly trained psychics when a couple of lonely, self-proclaimed keyboard mystic masters were all it took to shake us to the core?

What if our own self-importance and over-reliance on platitudes were our worst enemies.

What if our distrust of all things main-stream, our resulting reactive avoidance of society, and our learned helplessness against an insurmountable, all-knowing, quantum enemy was their goal?

If I was a psychologist who was paid to develop cheap and efficient destabilization strategies against people like you, I would run a forum. I would feed mis-information to your "whistleblowers." I would rely on reactive thinkers to repeat my dis-information. I would let people think they were on the cutting edge. I would let them feel special, elite... a mirror of those they claim to despise. I would be successful and under-budget. I would be amazed how easy it all was... taking but a gentle nudge to start the snowball rolling down the hill. I would be an unpaid intern working on a very low-priority gig.

What if no external quantum demons were required to dis-empower us?

Who would we blame then?

What would we do if we knew we were free of these demons?

Is it easier to blame someone else for our problems?

What now?

How long do we want to fight windmills?


The sincerity of your inquiry is valid. Exploration offers insights
I am not (yet) equipped to answer in full other than to express my own learning.


What if our own self-importance and over-reliance on platitudes were our worst enemies.

For me, this is the essence. Overcoming "superiority", acknowledging that we are part of the greater whole and making a difference. Even IF external influences are competent Pied Pipers. No blame, no resentment. Misinformation happens.

Why are you here?

Thanks again for your input.

:)

[SilentFeathers]

I found this to be quite interesting, especially a few tidbits in the article....


Billion Euro supercomputer to 'simulate entire human brain'

"The HBP will build new platforms for “neuromorphic computing” and “neurorobotics”, allowing researchers to develop new computing systems and robots based on the architecture and circuitry of the brain," EFPL scientists said in a statement this week.

The Swiss project likened the research to the Large Hadron's Collider's exploration of the subatomic world, describing the Human Brain project as a, "CERN for the brain."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/billion-euro-supercomputer-to--simulate-entire-human-brain---120811728.html

[RMorgan]

A sincere series of questions:

Sync,

Indeed a valid question.

Well, what happens is that this technology uses the internet as a medium to interfere with brainwaves and thought patterns.

Tell me, what would be a better place to test and gain feedback about such technology than internet forums, specially forums where people are allegedly awake and aware about the general global situation? They can monitor their results in real time and and collect huge amounts of data instantly.

A lot of companies test their products this way, you know, pick a hard market to launch your product and if it works there, it will work anywhere else; If not, fix it until it does.

Of course, all those things you said, about traditional co-intel programs still happen; Disinformation rules the alternative media. However, things are changing around here. People are posting less stuff from charlatan gurus and storytellers and are posting more personal insights.

So, it´s not that Project Avalon is more special than anywhere else, but it´s for sure a great testing ground for such experiments.

Personally, I´ve seen part of this technology with my own eyes; I was also attacked by it both in subtle and extreme ways, so I know it exists...And now that they are planning to give "free" wireless internet first in the US, then all over the world, I have no doubt about their plans.

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

Well, what happens is that this technology uses the internet as a medium to interfere with brainwaves and thought patterns.



I think the internet is only one leg of the spider so to speak....I keep thinking back to Sandy Hook and the illogical and anti-common sense reaction etc etc I saw and still see with such a large group of the population, about the event itself and after the event with the gun control, the fiscal cliff etc.....

They used TV and the MSM to a large extent to further the gun control agenda and to basically dupe people VERY easily with the details of the Sandy Hook shooting, (we still don't know any details and no one really cares so to speak!). Many or most just dropped the whole shooting thing and went straight in to gun control and dead children mode. I'm still mind boggled by this bahavior.

My thoughts are; what the hell "amplified" this lack of common sense across the country and so easily swayed a population to buy into the Sandy Hook event to which not one story about it made any sense at all (or very little sense)????

What is the one common denominator within a population besides the TV and internet that could act as a transmitter/receiver????? A CELL PHONE/CELL PHONE TOWERS (wireless technology)....almost everyone carries a cell phone or is within range of a cell phone tower.

Why didn't you or I (and some others) but into the Sandy Hook deception and other deceptions etc?????? We have cell phones and live near these towers......I think the answer is simple; WILL POWER!

Look at the population that are so easily persuaded in to ANYTHING, they have no will power and simply will believe about anything they are told, even if it makes no common sense, they do not want to nor have the WILL POWER to think for themselves......

[RMorgan]

Hey SilentFeathers,

I agree. Anything with digital signal can be used.

No wonder why they are pushing so hard for people to buy digital televisions here in Brazil and everywhere else in the world.

Raf.

[Finefeather]

Well, what happens is that this technology uses the internet as a medium to interfere with brainwaves and thought patterns.

Hi Raf
Just a though for consideration and maybe you or some one can give some comment on this...
How would such a device or system work when the average CPU frequency of a PC in front of you, which would presumably be used as the TX/RX interface between you and the interrogating system is far less than the frequency of thought?...and I am not talking about brain waves here...or nerve frequency. We know that muscles can be moved and controlled by direct electrical impulse and the brain can be altered by physical implants etc...but thought?...where is the device which interfaces with my thoughts situated on my PC?. Fiber optics or whatever is usually terminated at what is known as the "last mile" which is the connection between you and the fiber optics backbone and this is often copper and is known to be a challenge with line speed syncing in many cases.
So personally I find it difficult to imagine that this can in fact happen over the internet backbone...with it's current technology and the many divers PCs and devices people use to interface it.

Just a thought :)
Ray

[SilentFeathers]

Hey SilentFeathers,

I agree. Anything with digital signal can be used.

No wonder why they are pushing so hard for people to buy digital televisions here in Brazil and everywhere else in the world.

Raf.

It really makes me wonder if HAARP and chemtrails are really being used for weather modification/control, but is really being used to "amplify" and/or target/position some type of wireless type of weapon or tool for modification/control of brainwaves and thought patterns....

[Bill Ryan]

I think the internet is only one leg of the spider, so to speak

Yes, I agree 100%. The other legs probably include:


Digital TV.
HAARP.
Targeted interference from teams of intel psychics with electronically amplified capabilities.
Satellite-based mind-indluencing weapons capable of targeting individuals -- see Dr John Hall's important three part interview here (*).


(*) --->
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_2.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_3.mp3

[Chester]

I think the internet is only one leg of the spider, so to speak

Yes, I agree 100%. The other legs probably include:


Digital TV.
HAARP.
Targeted interference from teams of intel psychics with electronically amplified capabilities.
Satellite-based mind-indluencing weapons capable of targeting individuals -- see Dr John Hall's important three part interview here (*).


(*) --->
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_2.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/John_Hall_Feb_8_2010_Hour_3.mp3

All why I have found the solution is to "Keep it Simple" and "Stick to the Basics" which for me starts with a bet I make on love because I have found, without fail that love wins all bets. Without fail.

[RMorgan]

Well, what happens is that this technology uses the internet as a medium to interfere with brainwaves and thought patterns.

Hi Raf
Just a though for consideration and maybe you or some one can give some comment on this...
How would such a device or system work when the average CPU frequency of a PC in front of you, which would presumably be used as the TX/RX interface between you and the interrogating system is far less than the frequency of thought?...and I am not talking about brain waves here...or nerve frequency. We know that muscles can be moved and controlled by direct electrical impulse and the brain can be altered by physical implants etc...but thought?...where is the device which interfaces with my thoughts situated on my PC?. Fiber optics or whatever is usually terminated at what is known as the "last mile" which is the connection between you and the fiber optics backbone and this is often copper and is known to be a challenge with line speed syncing in many cases.
So personally I find it difficult to imagine that this can in fact happen over the internet backbone...with it's current technology and the many divers PCs and devices people use to interface it.

Just a thought :)
Ray

Hey Ray,

That´s the weird part. This tech doesn´t use anything that´s inside your PC.

The technology itself is very probably alien in origin, and probably multi-dimensional by design.

It uses digital signals (cell-phones, digital TV signals, conventional and wireless internet, etc...) as roads/webs, and since everyone is connected nowadays, everyone can be targeted.

I believe this tech is composed by one or more self-aware and self-programing quantum AI cores, who collect data and manipulate thoughts through very sophisticated artificial life forms, called scuttlers, that are pretty much like spiders.

In the first three posts of this thread, we traced a parallel between the similarities of our neural structure and the internet structure, and a parallel between how web search engines work and how this possible mind control weapon works.

Search engines such as google have something they call spiders, or web crawlers, which are responsible for collecting all the data available on the web, almost in real time, and delivering this data to servers, so google can stay constantly updated about everything.

I suspect this mind control weapon is a magnification of the internet, meaning that it can connect to everyone in the world, collect memories and possibly manipulate or implant thoughts, using digital signals only as "webs".

Vivek made a great work collecting our previous insights about this subject and pasting them on this thread. I recommend you (and everyone else reading this) to carefully, I mean really carefully, read the first 3 posts, so you can better understand this issue.

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

The technology itself is very probably alien in origin, and probably multi-dimensional by design.

I will leave myself open to the possibility that this technology is alien in origin, but for now I'm sticking to my gut that this is man made and seems to be alien due to how advanced and sophisticated it is compared to what we do know and are aware of "as civilians".

I think the scuttlers that people catch a glimpse of are not alien multi-dimensional high tech machines, but I think that somehow some people that are being targeted actually are "seeing" projections through their minds of the machine parts (master computer motherboard so to speak) that is manipulating their brainwaves and thought patterns. They (the targeted persons mind and/or thoughts") are actually somehow "in the web/loop itself"......somehow the mind/thoughts is traveling back and forth so to speak in the web, IMO, and actually through this wireless system are "seeing" into the machine so to speak.

When you or I as an example see a scuttler for a split second up in the corner in our bedroom, it most likely is not a figment of our imagination or a hallucination....but, IMO, it is not in our bedroom at all where we are seeing this, it is in the loop itself that we can not see but seems to be right near us....this scuttler could be thousands of miles away back in the power source motherboard/hard drive of the machine itself.

Just sharing some ideas/theories I have about this Raf...................

[Gardener]

Just some random info stuff for this subject.
Spiders have 8 legs

Company involved in the crawler data collecting from the web. 'Ficstar Software'
_http://www.ficstar.com (remove underscore at beginning to activate link)
Take a look at the scrolling pictures, #2 and #5. #2 appears to be some kind of scorpion
Their phone number contains a lot of 8's but they could have arranged that by choice.

[RUSirius]

Well, what happens is that this technology uses the internet as a medium to interfere with brainwaves and thought patterns.

Hi Raf
Just a though for consideration and maybe you or some one can give some comment on this...
How would such a device or system work when the average CPU frequency of a PC in front of you, which would presumably be used as the TX/RX interface between you and the interrogating system is far less than the frequency of thought?...and I am not talking about brain waves here...or nerve frequency. We know that muscles can be moved and controlled by direct electrical impulse and the brain can be altered by physical implants etc...but thought?...where is the device which interfaces with my thoughts situated on my PC?. Fiber optics or whatever is usually terminated at what is known as the "last mile" which is the connection between you and the fiber optics backbone and this is often copper and is known to be a challenge with line speed syncing in many cases.
So personally I find it difficult to imagine that this can in fact happen over the internet backbone...with it's current technology and the many divers PCs and devices people use to interface it.

Just a thought :)
Ray

Hey Ray,

That´s the weird part. This tech doesn´t use anything that´s inside your PC.

The technology itself is very probably alien in origin, and probably multi-dimensional by design.

It uses digital signals (cell-phones, digital TV signals, conventional and wireless internet, etc...) as roads/webs, and since everyone is connected nowadays, everyone can be targeted.

I believe this tech is composed by one or more self-aware and self-programing quantum AI cores, who collect data and manipulate thoughts through very sophisticated artificial life forms, called scuttlers, that are pretty much like spiders.

In the first three posts of this thread, we traced a parallel between the similarities of our neural structure and the internet structure, and a parallel between how web search engines work and how this possible mind control weapon works.

Search engines such as google have something they call spiders, or web crawlers, which are responsible for collecting all the data available on the web, almost in real time, and delivering this data to servers, so google can stay constantly updated about everything.

I suspect this mind control weapon is a magnification of the internet, meaning that it can connect to everyone in the world, collect memories and possibly manipulate or implant thoughts, using digital signals only as "webs".

Vivek made a great work collecting our previous insights about this subject and pasting them on this thread. I recommend you (and everyone else reading this) to carefully, I mean really carefully, read the first 3 posts, so you can better understand this issue.

Cheers,

Raf.

Exactly Raf, after reading the last two pages of this thread I thought it important enough to go reread the first page to better understand. Not to bring something up that we all know about, but also all the purposeful food and water contamination plays a part in the human deception/manipulation program, as I stated earlier its a multi pronged attack, we have accountability to ourselves to try to realize between, foreign interference (alien technology possibly) and "self"/"programming"/"conditioning" interference, and a toxic environment through poisoning at all levels and now ALL ages through vaccines, and baby formula. Wow, what a predicament I love the idea stated above about getting ahead of "them".

[Yoda]

Thoughts coming through, time to move on. We are given a day to rest and then pick up the baton again and move forward.

I thought I might want to clarify how this post came about. I wasn't sure where to post it. I was pretty much compelled to sit down and write. It is a collection of thoughts and experiences over the past six weeks that needed expression.

I posted them to see if there were any resonances or similar experiences.

Christine, I found that my eyelids will physically close, as a manifest, that I am not in the NOW. As soon as I realized that it was a GPS for me, it made it more " in my face" obvious.

Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[Jean-Luc]

NEWSFLASH. *YIKES*

Just heard on the news last night that the United States Government wants to build a free, public, nationwide WiFi system so that "everyone can be connected." Apparently even those who don't WANT to be connected, who now live without computers or TVs, will be bombarded by radio waves powerful enough to penetrate concrete walls. *WOW* *NO ESCAPE*

www.washingtonpost.com/ business/ technology/ tech-telecom-giants-take-sides-as-fcc-proposes-large-public-wifi-netw orks/ 2013/ 02/ 03/
The federal government wants to create super WiFi networks across the nation, so powerful and broad in reach that consumers could use them to make calls or surf the ...

Space Today Online - What is the Electromagnetic Spectrum?
www.spacetoday.org/ DeepSpace/ Telescopes/ GreatObservatories/ Chandra/ ElectromagneticSpectrum.html
The electromagnetic spectrum is a vast band of energy frequencies extending from radio waves to gamma waves, from the very lowest frequencies to the highest possible ...

According to research a friend of mine is doing, the known science indicates that the electromagnetic and chemical bombardment we're increasingly subject to has already affected the way our minds work. There have been changes in the brain, changes in our cognitive functions. He proposes that the majority are already mentally impaired, as compared to people of previous generations. This is why the lack of common sense seems so obvious to people who can still actually think logically. Maybe this WiFi-everywhere plan would eradicate any free thinkers left.

More and more it seems to me that this system needs to be unplugged. I hope someone out there is working on ways to make that possible - for the sake of our sanity and freedom - some kind of worldwide Denial of Service blast.


TV-Brussels aired a debate yesterday on 4G technology. Together with critical retired engineering prof. Vander Vorst, a representative of a telecom operator, a business journalist and a government agency director, I was invited as chairman of Belgian NGO Teslabel (which strives for a sane EMF environment) to discuss the advent of 4G in Brussels.

http://www.teslabel.be/antennes/274-la-4g-le-debat-sur-tele-bruxelles (in French)

Basically, we managed to pressure the city government in Brussels to impose back in 2009 EMF limits lower than nearly anywhere else in the world, although still way too high following the recommendations of the Bioinitiative 2012 Report panel and the vast majority of NGO’s active in this field.

Telecoms operators are pretty mad about these limits (CEO of Belgian 1st operator made the headlines last week with quite unsual f***** language used) and are lobbying the government like hell to soften these regulations. I believe both prof. Vander Vorst and myself managed to send our opponents into the strings. Even though, make no mistakes, the fight remains extremely uneven and most people basically don’t give a dam, as long as they don’t have a mast in their backyard.

I especially recommend anyone to observe for himself the reaction of a simple ants sample colony (easy to collect in your garden) in the presence of an active Wi-Fi signal (i.e. with data flow).

http://www.teslabel.be/antennes/255-etudes-a-lulb-effets-nocifs-des-ondes-gsm-mis-en-evidence-sur-des-fourmis-et-des-protozoaires (in French, with links to abstracts in English)

Personally, although I have been actively reading and summarizing the scientific literature on this topic for the last 6 years, it wasn’t before I saw with my own eyes the direct effect (within a few minutes) of these microwaves on complex living organisms such as ants that I fully realized how really, really serious this whole electrosmog was (i.e. not only for the electro-hyper-sensitive or EHS, but for virtually anyone).

[Sync]

Re:
Why are you here?

I'm here because I used to endlessly ruminate on this subject to the degree that I invited these attacks without realizing it. I, like many here, lived in a split world in which I felt powerful, yet attacked... soveriegn, yet enslaved.

I stopped chattering and I literally went to work to help others. I left one profession for another that took a ridiculous amount of money and training. I put myself in a new, uncomfortable, and dangerous position and busted my ass for free... and I saved lives. Several of those lives (many of whom would be catagorized with negative labels such as criminals, bangers, junkies, prostitutes, takers, hopeless, etc), once shown compassion and given physical help, payed it forward. In many situations, ripples of wellness occurred. Families reunited. People found jobs, got clean and healthy- empowered. If they can do it, anyone can.

I'm here because I have a fantasy about all of us finding our sense of agency. I want us to shift from "it-ness" To "I-ness"- We live in a world in which we really are the most powerful variable of all. We are not adrift in a sea of quantum alien tech.

Yes, this tech exists. Yes, these forces exist. Yes, they feed on misery. One of my mentors was Dr. James Randall Noblitt, an expert in ritual abuse. I knew more about certain subjects than him because of forums like this. But, knowledge without action is less than useless; its criminal.


But their power is nothing... NOTHING compared to our power once we move from contemplation of these subjects and into action. This does not mean collect guns and build a bunker in the forest. This means go into the thick of humanity and do some work.

That is their biggest fear. To fight them directly is a losing proposition. You fight them by helping yourself and others. It is so simple.

Sometimes we need to turn of the computer, which is the greatest tool of mind control around.

[RUSirius]

Re:
Why are you here?

I'm here because I used to endlessly ruminate on this subject to the degree that I invited these attacks without realizing it. I, like many here, lived in a split world in which I felt powerful, yet attacked... soveriegn, yet enslaved.

I stopped chattering and I literally went to work to help others. I left one profession for another that took a ridiculous amount of money and training. I put myself in a new, uncomfortable, and dangerous position and busted my ass for free... and I saved lives. Several of those lives (many of whom would be catagorized with negative labels such as criminals, bangers, junkies, prostitutes, takers, hopeless, etc), once shown compassion and given physical help, payed it forward. In many situations, ripples of wellness occurred. Families reunited. People found jobs, got clean and healthy- empowered. If they can do it, anyone can.

I'm here because I have a fantasy about all of us finding our sense of agency. I want us to shift from "it-ness" To "I-ness"- We live in a world in which we really are the most powerful variable of all. We are not adrift in a sea of quantum alien tech.

Yes, this tech exists. Yes, these forces exist. Yes, they feed on misery. One of my mentors was Dr. James Randall Noblitt, an expert in ritual abuse. I knew more about certain subjects than him because of forums like this. But, knowledge without action is less than useless; its criminal.


But their power is nothing... NOTHING compared to our power once we move from contemplation of these subjects and into action. This does not mean collect guns and build a bunker in the forest. This means go into the thick of humanity and do some work.

That is their biggest fear. To fight them directly is a losing proposition. You fight them by helping yourself and others. It is so simple.

Yes, I agree with everything here...

Sometimes we need to turn of the computer, which is the greatest tool of mind control around.

However, I agree with this as much as I've agreed with anything else, THIS is what has been going through my mind: I'm not going to change much here with people who are more "aware" being truthful about myself, if I spent 1/4 of the time "out there" doing what I do "in here" I know I would have a much greater impact.

[Flash]

NEWSFLASH. *YIKES*

Just heard on the news last night that the United States Government wants to build a free, public, nationwide WiFi system so that "everyone can be connected." Apparently even those who don't WANT to be connected, who now live without computers or TVs, will be bombarded by radio waves powerful enough to penetrate concrete walls. *WOW* *NO ESCAPE*

www.washingtonpost.com/ business/ technology/ tech-telecom-giants-take-sides-as-fcc-proposes-large-public-wifi-netw orks/ 2013/ 02/ 03/
The federal government wants to create super WiFi networks across the nation, so powerful and broad in reach that consumers could use them to make calls or surf the ...

Space Today Online - What is the Electromagnetic Spectrum?
www.spacetoday.org/ DeepSpace/ Telescopes/ GreatObservatories/ Chandra/ ElectromagneticSpectrum.html
The electromagnetic spectrum is a vast band of energy frequencies extending from radio waves to gamma waves, from the very lowest frequencies to the highest possible ...

According to research a friend of mine is doing, the known science indicates that the electromagnetic and chemical bombardment we're increasingly subject to has already affected the way our minds work. There have been changes in the brain, changes in our cognitive functions. He proposes that the majority are already mentally impaired, as compared to people of previous generations. This is why the lack of common sense seems so obvious to people who can still actually think logically. Maybe this WiFi-everywhere plan would eradicate any free thinkers left.

More and more it seems to me that this system needs to be unplugged. I hope someone out there is working on ways to make that possible - for the sake of our sanity and freedom - some kind of worldwide Denial of Service blast.


TV-Brussels aired a debate yesterday on 4G technology. Together with critical retired engineering prof. Vander Vorst, a representative of a telecom operator, a business journalist and a government agency director, I was invited as chairman of Belgian NGO Teslabel (which strives for a sane EMF environment) to discuss the advent of 4G in Brussels.

http://www.teslabel.be/antennes/274-la-4g-le-debat-sur-tele-bruxelles (in French)

Basically, we managed to pressure the city government in Brussels to impose back in 2009 EMF limits lower than nearly anywhere else in the world, although still way too high following the recommendations of the Bioinitiative 2012 Report panel and the vast majority of NGO’s active in this field.

Telecoms operators are pretty mad about these limits (CEO of Belgian 1st operator made the headlines last week with quite unsual f***** language used) and are lobbying the government like hell to soften these regulations. I believe both prof. Vander Vorst and myself managed to send our opponents into the strings. Even though, make no mistakes, the fight remains extremely uneven and most people basically don’t give a dam, as long as they don’t have a mast in their backyard.

I especially recommend anyone to observe for himself the reaction of a simple ants sample colony (easy to collect in your garden) in the presence of an active Wi-Fi signal (i.e. with data flow).

http://www.teslabel.be/antennes/255-etudes-a-lulb-effets-nocifs-des-ondes-gsm-mis-en-evidence-sur-des-fourmis-et-des-protozoaires (in French, with links to abstracts in English)

Personally, although I have been actively reading and summarizing the scientific literature on this topic for the last 6 years, it wasn’t before I saw with my own eyes the direct effect (within a few minutes) of these microwaves on complex living organisms such as ants that I fully realized how really, really serious this whole electrosmog was (i.e. not only for the electro-hyper-sensitive or EHS, but for virtually anyone).

Bravo Jean-Luc, excellente présentation vraiment.

J'aimerais bien que ta connaissance tranquille aie un impact plus grand que ces vidéo games ont sur les joueurs et sur cette civilisation, d'où la demande pour du 4G et plus.

The discussion on 4G + has never even taken place in Quebec and North America, and we found ourselves filled with those waves 24/7, including powerfull booster right behind my house.

I do appreciate Belgium for at least having the discussion.

Ants become disoriented and have motor problems with low EMF levels
Rats lose memory with low levels EMF

We do not even hear of such studies in America, forget discussing them.

Review of 1800 studies arrived to the conclusion that norms must be very low to avoid negative effects of exposure.

Gosh Jean-Luc, this study with ants has to be translated and published in English. It is a must, a real must. I had been told this by a friend specialised in EMF, in the 90's. Nobody listen to the scientists. It has to be in the open through the internet (weird, EMF may same us form EMF).

[Finefeather]

Well, what happens is that this technology uses the internet as a medium to interfere with brainwaves and thought patterns.

Hi Raf
Just a though for consideration and maybe you or some one can give some comment on this...
How would such a device or system work when the average CPU frequency of a PC in front of you, which would presumably be used as the TX/RX interface between you and the interrogating system is far less than the frequency of thought?...and I am not talking about brain waves here...or nerve frequency. We know that muscles can be moved and controlled by direct electrical impulse and the brain can be altered by physical implants etc...but thought?...where is the device which interfaces with my thoughts situated on my PC?. Fiber optics or whatever is usually terminated at what is known as the "last mile" which is the connection between you and the fiber optics backbone and this is often copper and is known to be a challenge with line speed syncing in many cases.
So personally I find it difficult to imagine that this can in fact happen over the internet backbone...with it's current technology and the many divers PCs and devices people use to interface it.

Just a thought :)
Ray

Hey Ray,

That´s the weird part. This tech doesn´t use anything that´s inside your PC.

The technology itself is very probably alien in origin, and probably multi-dimensional by design.

It uses digital signals (cell-phones, digital TV signals, conventional and wireless internet, etc...) as roads/webs, and since everyone is connected nowadays, everyone can be targeted.

I believe this tech is composed by one or more self-aware and self-programing quantum AI cores, who collect data and manipulate thoughts through very sophisticated artificial life forms, called scuttlers, that are pretty much like spiders.

In the first three posts of this thread, we traced a parallel between the similarities of our neural structure and the internet structure, and a parallel between how web search engines work and how this possible mind control weapon works.

Search engines such as google have something they call spiders, or web crawlers, which are responsible for collecting all the data available on the web, almost in real time, and delivering this data to servers, so google can stay constantly updated about everything.

I suspect this mind control weapon is a magnification of the internet, meaning that it can connect to everyone in the world, collect memories and possibly manipulate or implant thoughts, using digital signals only as "webs".

Vivek made a great work collecting our previous insights about this subject and pasting them on this thread. I recommend you (and everyone else reading this) to carefully, I mean really carefully, read the first 3 posts, so you can better understand this issue.

Cheers,

Raf.

Exactly Raf, after reading the last two pages of this thread I thought it important enough to go reread the first page to better understand. Not to bring something up that we all know about, but also all the purposeful food and water contamination plays a part in the human deception/manipulation program, as I stated earlier its a multi pronged attack, we have accountability to ourselves to try to realize between, foreign interference (alien technology possibly) and "self"/"programming"/"conditioning" interference, and a toxic environment through poisoning at all levels and now ALL ages through vaccines, and baby formula. Wow, what a predicament I love the idea stated above about getting ahead of "them".
I agree with your sentiment, but there is only so much one can say about a subject before it starts to become repetition...or the imagination starts to kick in.
I have read most on this thread and listened to umpteen audios on this and am quite convinced of the authenticity and truth of the matter as far as the ability to interface with our physical brain to trick us and put us in a state of fear and panic, is concerned. I have yet to be convinced of the alien technology and the thought interface, which I choose to reject at this point for my own reasons.
What we have yet to determine, which might be a somewhat difficult exercise for most of us, is the effect of this brain manipulation on the true spiritual Being which operates at levels far higher than any physical...including the mind...state.
Once I am aware of an intrusion in my life my natural reaction would be how to get rid of it or control it or master it with my own power...for example...it is possible for a human in a higher mind state to tune out lower orders of frequency just by mentally moving your mind to a different state or place. This is a common occurrence in mundane life with people living next to airports and train lines.
Just a thought
Ray

[SilentFeathers]

Well, what happens is that this technology uses the internet as a medium to interfere with brainwaves and thought patterns.

Hi Raf
Just a though for consideration and maybe you or some one can give some comment on this...
How would such a device or system work when the average CPU frequency of a PC in front of you, which would presumably be used as the TX/RX interface between you and the interrogating system is far less than the frequency of thought?...and I am not talking about brain waves here...or nerve frequency. We know that muscles can be moved and controlled by direct electrical impulse and the brain can be altered by physical implants etc...but thought?...where is the device which interfaces with my thoughts situated on my PC?. Fiber optics or whatever is usually terminated at what is known as the "last mile" which is the connection between you and the fiber optics backbone and this is often copper and is known to be a challenge with line speed syncing in many cases.
So personally I find it difficult to imagine that this can in fact happen over the internet backbone...with it's current technology and the many divers PCs and devices people use to interface it.

Just a thought :)
Ray

Hey Ray,

That´s the weird part. This tech doesn´t use anything that´s inside your PC.

The technology itself is very probably alien in origin, and probably multi-dimensional by design.

It uses digital signals (cell-phones, digital TV signals, conventional and wireless internet, etc...) as roads/webs, and since everyone is connected nowadays, everyone can be targeted.

I believe this tech is composed by one or more self-aware and self-programing quantum AI cores, who collect data and manipulate thoughts through very sophisticated artificial life forms, called scuttlers, that are pretty much like spiders.

In the first three posts of this thread, we traced a parallel between the similarities of our neural structure and the internet structure, and a parallel between how web search engines work and how this possible mind control weapon works.

Search engines such as google have something they call spiders, or web crawlers, which are responsible for collecting all the data available on the web, almost in real time, and delivering this data to servers, so google can stay constantly updated about everything.

I suspect this mind control weapon is a magnification of the internet, meaning that it can connect to everyone in the world, collect memories and possibly manipulate or implant thoughts, using digital signals only as "webs".

Vivek made a great work collecting our previous insights about this subject and pasting them on this thread. I recommend you (and everyone else reading this) to carefully, I mean really carefully, read the first 3 posts, so you can better understand this issue.

Cheers,

Raf.

Exactly Raf, after reading the last two pages of this thread I thought it important enough to go reread the first page to better understand. Not to bring something up that we all know about, but also all the purposeful food and water contamination plays a part in the human deception/manipulation program, as I stated earlier its a multi pronged attack, we have accountability to ourselves to try to realize between, foreign interference (alien technology possibly) and "self"/"programming"/"conditioning" interference, and a toxic environment through poisoning at all levels and now ALL ages through vaccines, and baby formula. Wow, what a predicament I love the idea stated above about getting ahead of "them".
I agree with your sentiment, but there is only so much one can say about a subject before it starts to become repetition...or the imagination starts to kick in.
I have read most on this thread and listened to umpteen audios on this and am quite convinced of the authenticity and truth of the matter as far as the ability to interface with our physical brain to trick us and put us in a state of fear and panic, is concerned. I have yet to be convinced of the alien technology and the thought interface, which I choose to reject at this point for my own reasons.
What we have yet to determine, which might be a somewhat difficult exercise for most of us, is the effect of this brain manipulation on the true spiritual Being which operates at levels far higher than any physical...including the mind...state.
Once I am aware of an intrusion in my life my natural reaction would be how to get rid of it or control it or master it with my own power...for example...it is possible for a human in a higher mind state to tune out lower orders of frequency just by mentally moving your mind to a different state or place. This is a common occurrence in mundane life with people living next to airports and train lines.
Just a thought
Ray

From an earlier post of mine, I could of easily included "spiritual" WILL POWER in to what I wrote....


Why didn't you or I (and some others) but into the Sandy Hook deception and other deceptions etc?????? We have cell phones and live near these towers......I think the answer is simple; WILL POWER!

Look at the population that are so easily persuaded in to ANYTHING, they have no will power and simply will believe about anything they are told, even if it makes no common sense, they do not want to nor have the WILL POWER to think for themselves......

I truly believe "spiritual" knowledge and power (our spiritual self awareness and common sense wisdom) is quite immune on some or most levels of this technology, hence; why they are so hell bent on drugging, posioning, and dumbing down everyone....those with spiritual retardation so to speak, those that have no desire to think for themselves, and just the simple lack of will power to be their own person seem to be the ones affected the most by this technology and mind controlling propaganda. IMO

UPDATE:

This may be of value to some....


Stop listening to your mind. You will not find the truth there. You may find the answer, but it will not be the truth unless it coincides with the answer in your heart. You think there is more to know about life than this, but there is not. Your heart holds the key. Your heart holds the wisdom. Your heart holds the future.

Your mind knows nothing but the past. It imagines the future will be just like yesterday, so it makes its decisions based on that. Only your heart can see beyond memory's horizon. -ND Walsch

My note: If we take the spiritual equation out of all that is happening in this world/universe in which we live/exist in, we are without a doubt, doomed.....

[4evrneo]

NEWSFLASH. *YIKES*

Just heard on the news last night that the United States Government wants to build a free, public, nationwide WiFi system so that "everyone can be connected." Apparently even those who don't WANT to be connected, who now live without computers or TVs, will be bombarded by radio waves powerful enough to penetrate concrete walls. *WOW* *NO ESCAPE*

www.washingtonpost.com/ business/ technology/ tech-telecom-giants-take-sides-as-fcc-proposes-large-public-wifi-netw orks/ 2013/ 02/ 03/
The federal government wants to create super WiFi networks across the nation, so powerful and broad in reach that consumers could use them to make calls or surf the ...

Space Today Online - What is the Electromagnetic Spectrum?
www.spacetoday.org/ DeepSpace/ Telescopes/ GreatObservatories/ Chandra/ ElectromagneticSpectrum.html
The electromagnetic spectrum is a vast band of energy frequencies extending from radio waves to gamma waves, from the very lowest frequencies to the highest possible ...

According to research a friend of mine is doing, the known science indicates that the electromagnetic and chemical bombardment we're increasingly subject to has already affected the way our minds work. There have been changes in the brain, changes in our cognitive functions. He proposes that the majority are already mentally impaired, as compared to people of previous generations. This is why the lack of common sense seems so obvious to people who can still actually think logically. Maybe this WiFi-everywhere plan would eradicate any free thinkers left.

More and more it seems to me that this system needs to be unplugged. I hope someone out there is working on ways to make that possible - for the sake of our sanity and freedom - some kind of worldwide Denial of Service blast.

This is interesting. I watched Resonance - Beings of Frequency last night. I have to say, I was shocked and disturbed to say the least.

James Russell and team, produced this very informative and well researched film about the dangers of wireless technology. This important film will help to create awareness about one of the world’s best kept secrets. Wireless technology is a global and very serious issue which may cause health and environmental ramifications beyond any issue known before.

It makes me wonder if I am a good example of this electromagnetic pollution causing my loss of logical thinking and loss of memory the last few years. From learning all this, I have banned myself and my kids from using their cellphones as alarm clocks (placed near the head all night) causing less Melatonin to be produced that is so important while sleeping to heal cells in the body.

Please watch this, I believe it relates and is so important.

http://vimeo.com/user8014212/resonancebeingsoffrequency

[Bill Ryan]

Please watch this, I believe it relates and is so important.

http://vimeo.com/user8014212/resonancebeingsoffrequency


http://www.vimeo.com/54189727

[Gardener]

I would seriously encourage everyone to listen to the coast to coast links that Bill linked in post #112 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=630819&viewfull=1#post630819), besides identifying what may be happening to a person now, it also helps identify if and when these things start to happen to any one of us in the future.

[SilentFeathers]

The weapon that they are using to manipulate brainwaves and thought patterns with is hidden in plain sight..... each of us have one in our hands right now, clipped to our belts or in a handbag, or sitting on the table right next to us.....

[RMorgan]

The weapon that they are using to manipulate brainwaves and thought patterns with is hidden in plain sight..... each of us have one in our hands right now, clipped to our belts or in a handbag, or sitting on the table right next to us.....

Have you read a Stephen King´s book called Cell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(novel))? It pretty much talks about it; Not a superb book, but it´s worth reading as a pastime. The overall plot is very interesting, but the writing could be much better.

"Cell is an apocalyptic horror novel published by American author Stephen King in 2006. The story follows a New England artist struggling to reunite with his young son after a mysterious signal broadcast over the global cell phone network turns the majority of his fellow humans into mindless vicious animals."

Raf.

[skippy]

If true, then we are in the domain of science. Experiments and results are reproductible and as such can be verified by each one of us.

[SilentFeathers]

All the pictures and clips I seen a while back of the Arab Spring, no matter what country, Egypt, Yemen etc etc, almost everyone in these crowds of rioting people had a cell phone in their hands......almost every clip I seen about sandy hook, everyone had a cell phone....coincidence?????

All the phones now also have GPS in them to where a single person or a location server network can be targeted....

But.....if everyone throws their phones in the garbage, what then? Nothing, because by the time people smarten up to this they will be chipped with a mini phone so to speak from their last flu shot!

ADDED: The Arab Spring and the Sandy Hook episodes were totally different in my perspective to this mind altering weapon, something changed with the technology on or about Dec 14, 2012 IMO.

[Christine]

Once I am aware of an intrusion in my life my natural reaction would be how to get rid of it or control it or master it with my own power...for example...it is possible for a human in a higher mind state to tune out lower orders of frequency just by mentally moving your mind to a different state or place. This is a common occurrence in mundane life with people living next to airports and train lines.
Just a thought
Ray

Just a valuable thought. The first step is to become aware, once aware take the steps necessary to remedy the situation to influence the outcome. For some it is of utmost importance to remove or limit exposure to electronics, cellphones, WiFi networks. etc.

In regards to the use of computers, yes we have been grossly manipulated via this medium. However my personal intent is to reverse the flow using the network by continuing to communicate. It is one of our greatest tools at this time. By using Free Will accompanied by awareness and understanding I can still sit here without the effects that were so strong last week.

We are beings of frequency. Our actions, thoughts and emotions can and do take place in many dimensions at the same time. The more aware and tapped in we are to our true nature the more effective we become at implementing the change we want to see. Greater responsibility requires greater awareness in how this operates.

One of the reasons I have stood by so strongly in an effort to keep Avalon intact is because it is a great repository, of not only the collected information, but of our human intent to actually be the change we want to see.

I am glad to see us moving forward in greater understanding.

Sending out a special hello to Vivek, good luck on your exams, we will holding the energy here for your return.

Christine

[RMorgan]

If true, we are in the domain of science here. Experiments and results are reproductible and as such can be verified by each one of us.

Sure skippy! Good idea!

Try turning off your house´s main power switch before going to bed, for about a week. Turn off your cell phones and portable computers as well.

Keep a journal and write down if you noticed any difference in your sleep quality, dreams, overall mood, physical condition, etc...

After that, keep the main power switch on again, for another week.I guarantee you will notice a big difference.

Of course, the further you live from urban centers, the better will be the results. In big cities, even if you turn the power off, you will still be affected by the constant electromagnetic flux of the urban environment.

Here in my home, I have a room that is almost a Faraday cage; nothing works there, tv (without external antenna), cell phones, wireless internet, nothing. No need to ask what is my favorite place to meditate in my home.

As a side observation, just notice how good it feels whenever a major power outage happens in your neighborhood or town.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Gardener]

I can testify to what you say Raf on the fariday cage thing, I helped someone clean up a shop they were taking over, it had been a butchers shop and the prep room was covered in yucky fat stuff, it was also completely lined with metal sheeting, which I am reasonably convinced was an alluminium alloy of sorts, so it could be hosed down daily. I spent several hours in that room hand scrubbing, the silence and tranquility were noticeable, even muscle/body tension was gone.

[SilentFeathers]

I can testify to what you say Raf on the fariday cage thing, I helped someone clean up a shop they were taking over, it had been a butchers shop and the prep room was covered in yucky fat stuff, it was also completely lined with metal sheeting, which I am reasonably convinced was an alluminium alloy of sorts, so it could be hosed down daily. I spent several hours in that room hand scrubbing, the silence and tranquility were noticeable, even muscle/body tension was gone.

I wrote in an earlier post; "Wearing a tin foil hat may not be such a crazy idea after all!" :)

[Bill Ryan]

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I've recently taken to turning my laptop off at night (completely shut down). I never used to do that: I used to keep it closed but 'asleep', and often kept it in my bedroom.

The difference is marked, and I'm sleeping far better. To all those reading this, try it -- you may be very surprised.

[RMorgan]

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I've recently taken to turning my laptop off at night (completely shut down). I never used to do that: I used to keep it closed but 'asleep', and often kept it in my bedroom.

The difference is marked, and I'm sleeping far better. To all those reading this, try it -- you may be very surprised.

I´ve been doing that for a few years, Bill. lol

Every night, I not only turn off everything electronic in my bedroom, but I actually remove all their plugs from the sockets.

Whenever I can, I also turn off the main power switch.

It makes a huge difference indeed.

When I start building my new home, which I´m already planning, I´ll certainly design my bedroom to be a big Faraday cage.

Some people who suffer from severe electrosensitivity actually sleep inside faraday cages, like this one:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6406/1644/1600/Cage%20Faraday%20-%20ferm%3F%3F.jpg

Source: http://electrosensitivity.blogspot.com.br/

Not a bad idea, that´s for sure.

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

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I've recently taken to turning my laptop off at night (completely shut down). I never used to do that: I used to keep it closed but 'asleep', and often kept it in my bedroom.

The difference is marked, and I'm sleeping far better. To all those reading this, try it -- you may be very surprised.

Don't forget to throw your cell phone in a lead box too before you go to sleep! or at least put it somewhere on the farthest side of the house from where you are sleeping :)

[4evrneo]

Well, what happens is that this technology uses the internet as a medium to interfere with brainwaves and thought patterns.

Hi Raf
Just a though for consideration and maybe you or some one can give some comment on this...
How would such a device or system work when the average CPU frequency of a PC in front of you, which would presumably be used as the TX/RX interface between you and the interrogating system is far less than the frequency of thought?...and I am not talking about brain waves here...or nerve frequency. We know that muscles can be moved and controlled by direct electrical impulse and the brain can be altered by physical implants etc...but thought?...where is the device which interfaces with my thoughts situated on my PC?. Fiber optics or whatever is usually terminated at what is known as the "last mile" which is the connection between you and the fiber optics backbone and this is often copper and is known to be a challenge with line speed syncing in many cases.
So personally I find it difficult to imagine that this can in fact happen over the internet backbone...with it's current technology and the many divers PCs and devices people use to interface it.

Just a thought :)
Ray

From what I understand from the documentary Resonance - Beings of Frequency,
it seems that we and animals operate with the Schumann resonance built in and if the wifi and cell phones distribute a low frequency but on a constant level, it will disrupt our natural resonance.
That seems to me why birds, bees and other species that have built in GPS are being affected by the constant emissions of cell towers, etc.

Im still trying to understand this all myself but it makes sense that that would be the case.

[Finefeather]

Well, what happens is that this technology uses the internet as a medium to interfere with brainwaves and thought patterns.

Hi Raf
Just a though for consideration and maybe you or some one can give some comment on this...
How would such a device or system work when the average CPU frequency of a PC in front of you, which would presumably be used as the TX/RX interface between you and the interrogating system is far less than the frequency of thought?...and I am not talking about brain waves here...or nerve frequency. We know that muscles can be moved and controlled by direct electrical impulse and the brain can be altered by physical implants etc...but thought?...where is the device which interfaces with my thoughts situated on my PC?. Fiber optics or whatever is usually terminated at what is known as the "last mile" which is the connection between you and the fiber optics backbone and this is often copper and is known to be a challenge with line speed syncing in many cases.
So personally I find it difficult to imagine that this can in fact happen over the internet backbone...with it's current technology and the many divers PCs and devices people use to interface it.

Just a thought :)
Ray

From what I understand from the documentary Resonance - Beings of Frequency,
it seems that we and animals operate with the Schumann resonance built in and if the wifi and cell phones distribute a low frequency but on a constant level, it will disrupt our natural resonance.
That seems to me why birds, bees and other species that have built in GPS are being affected by the constant emissions of cell towers, etc.

Im still trying to understand this all myself but it makes sense that that would be the case.
Hi 4evrneo, thanks for the comment.
Yes I have read much about this and in South Africa we have also had many dolphins getting lost and beaching on our beaches...we had 2 about 3 weeks ago again...I have a suspicion that this could be caused by satellite transmissions but that is only a hunch. I just love these beautiful creatures and IMO they are a race of intelligent Beings quite evolved.
Take care...love your husky :)
Ray

[4evrneo]

Their energy markers include but are not limited to; sudden headaches, heart palpitations for no apparent reason, a sense of panic when there is no need, heat building up from inside the body (microwaves), images or thoughts that are clearly not yours, images and thoughts that repeat. Fears and anxiety that vanishes once you detect the false source.


I posted them to see if there were any resonances or similar experiences.

Have experienced all these and more the last couple months.

I have also experienced some symtoms right when I try to meditate, among other distractions to keep me from meditating.

[4evrneo]

I became fully cognizant that Avalon was being used as a beta test site during the last test run. We are indeed being monitored, categorized, manipulated, probed and prodded, no doubt about it. And yes, we are a very small minority and the vast majority of people are asleep, drugged and zombified. We are being experimented on to be sure.

However - We so obviously are so much more than we have realized. I don't care how few we are, I don't care the odds, I don't care that they are watching my fingers as they type these words on this screen. If I have no fear even when fearful, if I stand in my integrity, if I get up when knocked down, if I know myself I will become incorruptible.

I have been corrupted in the past, I saw what happened and how it was done, I saw what I participated in, I saw my own self staring at me. I am not afraid.

We are resilient and fluid beings of power, we can adapt and bend and change. We cling to nothing for it is but the illusion of the matrix, it has no power over us.

Even when we falter we still can choose a different outcome. We are timeless and immortal beings of spirit.

No amount of manipulation will change what is true.

Amen to that !
:)

[Gardener]

Magnetite (also known as Lodestone) in the brain affects the navigation of birds and some mammals. Maybe something interacts and interferes with the Schumann resonance and magnetite to cause birds to drop from the sky and wales to beach.

The Schumann resonances (SR) are a set of spectrum peaks in the extremely low frequency (ELF) portion of the Earth's electromagnetic field spectrum. Schumann resonances are global electromagnetic resonances, excited by lightning discharges in the cavity formed by the Earth's surface and the ionosphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
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Biomagnetism is usually related to the presence of crystals of magnetite, which occurs widely in organisms.[9] These organisms range from bacteria (e.g., Magnetospirillum magnetotacticum) to several animals, where these crystals are found in the brain.[10] These crystals are thought to be involved in magnetoreception, the ability to sense the polarity or the inclination of the Earth's magnetic field, and to be aid in navigation.
Unique among animals, chitons have teeth made of magnetite on their radula.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetite#Biological_occurrences
• ^ Baker, R R; J G Mather, J H Kennaugh (1983-01-06). "Magnetic bones in human sinuses". Nature 301 (5895): 79–80. Bibcode 1983Natur.301...78R. doi:10.1038/301078a0. PMID 6823284.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetite#cite_note-10

[4evrneo]

I became fully cognizant that Avalon was being used as a beta test site during the last test run. We are indeed being monitored, categorized, manipulated, probed and prodded, no doubt about it. And yes, we are a very small minority and the vast majority of people are asleep, drugged and zombified. We are being experimented on to be sure.

However - We so obviously are so much more than we have realized. I don't care how few we are, I don't care the odds, I don't care that they are watching my fingers as they type these words on this screen. If I have no fear even when fearful, if I stand in my integrity, if I get up when knocked down, if I know myself I will become incorruptible.

I have been corrupted in the past, I saw what happened and how it was done, I saw what I participated in, I saw my own self staring at me. I am not afraid.

We are resilient and fluid beings of power, we can adapt and bend and change. We cling to nothing for it is but the illusion of the matrix, it has no power over us.

Even when we falter we still can choose a different outcome. We are timeless and immortal beings of spirit.

No amount of manipulation will change what is true.

Hey Christine,

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I also believe we´re immortal in essence.

However, what really is annoying to me is the fact that we seem to be clueless on how to apply this concept to change reality, to create a better future.

The thing is, every day, my perspective for mankind´s future is getting darker; Like food poisoning, chemtrails, pollution, poverty, starvation, drones, haarp, wars and uncontrollable greed weren´t enough, now we have this massive mind manipulation technology that seems to be close to achieving its full destructive potential.

...and what can we do about it in the macro level? On the personal/micro level, I´m fully aware that I have a strong mind and I´m even thankful for experiencing what happened in the recent events, which ended up making my awareness even stronger.

However, on a worldwide level, honestly, I don´t see a bright future for mankind, except if some massive miraculous mass awakening event happens, but, of course, we can´t count on miracles when doing strategic planning.

Like you, I don´t fear for myself, but I fear for mankind as a whole. So far, it seems that we´re losing this game.

I don´t want to sound defeatist with this post. I still have hope. What really frustrates me is that everything is happening in front of our eyes, all around the world, and everybody is clueless on how to stop it.

What are we going to do? We don´t know the true nature of our enemies (most people don´t even believe we have enemies or simply don´t care); We can´t pinpoint their location; We don´t know what kind of technology they have; We can´t predict their next actions....Strategically, if this was a war, and I believe it is, we´re in complete disadvantage here.

Knowing our true nature and gaining self-awareness is certainly a good start, but if we´re unable to coordinate and organize, we´re completely vulnerable.

So, where do we go from here, not regarding the forum or ourselves, but the collective? What can we do?

Cheers,

Raf.

This just reminded me of a dream I had about 2-3 weeks ago. I was in a different house, different place but I was in the kitchen cooking and suddenly I heard weather sirens blaring outside. I calmly went outside with my kids and watched as several others walked outside. We all looked directly at a tornado in the near distance and we all began to meditate with strong heart intention for the tornado to rise up back into the sky. After a min or so the tornado did exactly that. I had forgotten about the dream until now.

As we all know our heart is more powerful than our mind, maybe there is something to that dream, I dont know but I get the sense that that will be our greatest weapon to defeat these attacks... who knows?
:noidea:

[4evrneo]

Magnetite in the brain affects the navigation of birds and some mammals. Maybe this interacts and interferes with the Schumann resonance and causes birds to drop from the sky and wales to beach.


This is also what they said in the Resonance documentary, but they also mentioned that it is also the cryptochrome, a protein cell which all life has for navigation...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5vb9R0x_0NQ

[onawah]

I found the article about the study done in Belgium translated into English here:
http://mieuxprevenir.blogspot.com/2012/07/harmful-effects-of-gsm-waves.html


23 July 2012
Harmful Effects of GSM Waves Demonstrated on Ants and Protozoa
Thank you to Teslabel for the following Press Release, which was originally published on their site in French. (www.teslabel.be) Original article in French.

Harmful Effects of GSM Waves Demonstrated on Ants and Protozoa

A first in Belgium: Studies conducted at the Université Libre de Bruxelles show clearly that GSM waves affect the memory and response to pheromones in ant colonies, and that they worsen the motility of cell membranes of protozoa.

(Brussels - 11/07/12) Hide this truth that I would not like to see … Anything to discredit these alarmist studies which prevent me from calling in peace. Reassure me. Tell me that all this is exaggerated and doesn’t concern me … - Such is the substance of the unspoken reaction of each person who continues to not want to face up to reality and refuses to take into account the progress of independent research.


In Belgium in 2008, the results of a doctoral thesis at the UCL were disclosed which had shown that rats chronically exposed to a weak level of microwaves lost memory and died prematurely. [1]

This time, a research team at ULB turned towards ant societies and single-celled organisms to study the effects of micro-waves from telecommunications on the living.


Damning results on ants … at 1 volt per meter

In a first series of experiments [2], researchers observed that under the effect of a wave generator similar to that of a GSM, the learning capacity as well as olfactory and visual capacities was affected with average scores on the order of 50% compared to the control group. Sheltered from the waves and after a period of recuperation of 30 hours, the ants regained a certain memorization capacity (60-80%).

Then, subjected again to waves when they were learning, the ants immediately lost what they had acquired and did not maintain any visual memory. This effect on memory recalls a study conducted at UCL in 2008 which had shown a serious deterioration of the capacities of long-term memorization of rats, in this case, after 15 months of exposure to microwaves.

In another series of experiments [3], the entire organizational capacity of the colony was affected. Under the effect of waves, the ants only followed their pheromone trail very little, hardly came to the indicated area of their pheromone and oriented themselves poorly towards their alarm pheromone. Moreover, subjected to waves, the ants did not recruit their fellow ants and were incapable of returning to the nest after having found food.
Before exposure
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GsnwKAVZdmg/UA2MSEkdDXI/AAAAAAAAAn8/JFT_P47YOtM/s1600/fourmis-non-exposees.jpg
After exposure (1 V/m)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvkgb9IQgrw/UA2Ml-wL2kI/AAAAAAAAAoE/Jc2qz58dN2o/s1600/fourmis-exposees-1v-m.jpg



At the end of one after another of this series of experiments, the societies deteriorated:_the ants were walking with difficulty, eating little, dying ; the larvae were no longer developing and even the queens were dying. A situation which is similar to the decline of beehives suffering from CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder) actually observed on a world scale [4].

Motility and cell membrane of protozoa damaged

When the research group at ULB found themselves prevented by their superiors from studying the phenomenon of beehives, they turned towards “paramecia” (French: “paraméties) – single-celled organisms currently used in practical work. [5]

Placed near a GSM transmitter in operation, these protozoa moved poorly and swelled up: their cilia were beating less well, their cytopharynxes expanded, their pulsating vesicles poorly evacuated waste, and the cell membrane seemed larger.

All these dysfunctions may come from damage suffered by the cell membranes of protozoa. The nervous influx spread all along the membrane of the neurons. If this membrane is no longer uniform, the influx will not properly take place. Here is the connection between the effects of waves at the cellular level and those at the level of behavior, memorization and larval development (which require neurosecretions).

All this applies without doubt not only to bees (which are not returning to their hives) but also to other insects (including pollinators) and other living creatures (frogs, birds, rats … human beings – we have little hair cells in the ear, and men produce sperm cells: an Argentine study in 2012 showed a loss of motility and fragmentation of DNA from waves )[6].

In conclusion, to date, many works reveal similar alarming observations in a large variety of organisms and go so far as to show the impact of communication waves on nerve cells and on the cell membrane.

Will man understand too late?

Media reactions following initial press release in French

http://www.rtl.be/videos/video/404244.aspx

http://www.rtl.be/info/magazine/sciencesenvironnement/892297/une-etude-de-l-ulb-demontre-les-effets-nocifs-des-ondes-gsm-sur-les-fourmis-et-les-protozoaires

http://archives.lesoir.be/le-gsm-grille-le-cerveau-des-fourmis-reaction_t-20120712-020NK6.html

http://www.lalibre.be/societe/insolite/article/749242/les-ondes-gsm-tuent-les-fourmis.html

http://www.lalibre.be/archives/divers/article/750508/pas-sur-la-meme-longueur-d-onde.html

http://www.levif.be/info/belga-generique/une-etude-demontre-les-effets-nocifs-des-ondes-gsm-sur-les-fourmis-et-les-protozoaires/article-4000137202766.htm

http://datanews.levif.be/ict/actualite/apercu/2012/07/11/une-etude-de-l-ulb-demontre-l-effet-nuisible-du-rayonnement-du-gsm-sur-les-fourmis/article-4000137673290.htm

http://www.dhnet.be/infos/societe/article/401276/les-ondes-gsm-tuent-les-fourmis.html

http://www.lavenir.net/article/detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20120711_00180977

http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/4133/Multimedia/article/detail/1468285/2012/07/11/Une-etude-demontre-les-effets-nocifs-des-ondes-GSM.dhtml

http://www.fdf.be/spip.php?article5167

Contacts

Marie-Claire Cammaerts
Département de Biologie des Organismes, ULB
Private phone. 00 32 (0)2 673 49 69 (evening)

mtricot@ulb.ac.be

References

[1] Results of a Long-Term Low-Level Microwave Exposure of Rats
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=5232818

[2] GSM 900 MHz radiation inhibits ants' association between food sites and encountered cues. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=22268919

[3] To be published soon

[4] ETUDE : La téléphonie mobile perturbe le comportement des abeilles
http://www.teslabel.be/antennes/132-la-telephonie-mobile-perturbe-le-comportement-des-abeilles

[5] Changes in Paramecium caudatum (protozoa) near a switched-on GSM telephone.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21554102

[6] Use of laptop computers connected to internet through Wi-Fi decreases human sperm motility and increases sperm DNA fragmentation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22112647

Translated from French by Meris Michaels and Teslabel.

Available in French here:

http://www.teslabel.be/antennes/255-etudes-a-lulb-effets-nocifs-des-ondes-gsm-mis-en-evidence-sur-des-fourmis-et-des-protozoaires


[with links to abstracts in English)[/I]

[doodah]

@Sync:
Sometimes we need to turn of the computer, which is the greatest tool of mind control around.

I agree, the computer along with TV here in the US. I don't know about other countries, but so many homes in the US have TVs in every room and many of them run all the time even without anybody watching.

I'd like to see someone figure out how to pull the plug on this whole monstrous operation. If that happens, you and I will have to give up our internet. I'm going to say that, for myself, I can live quite well and happily without the internet. But I can't live well and happily without my health.

So that's my choice: I'll let the internet and all modern electromagnetic appliances go into the dustbin if doing so - globally - would allow our minds and bodies to heal. [Of course - initially you're going to have to put armed guards at the doors of all the pharmacies to keep people from stealing anti-depressants and OD'ing on them as they go through technological withdrawal. That should be a relatively short period of time, though, until people re-learn how to be real people again.]

[Gardener]

I can't help thinking that this whole thing is what happened with Maries daughter.

[doodah]

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I've recently taken to turning my laptop off at night (completely shut down). I never used to do that: I used to keep it closed but 'asleep', and often kept it in my bedroom.

Many people thought I was foolish for always shutting my computer down completely every time, all the way down to unplugging it. I've been doing that for years, although I must admit that I started doing that after a modem got fried during an electrical storm when the computer was plugged in but was not "on." This habit has been a good idea, especially in view of this whole discussion.

[Selene]

I can’t find the link right now, but the US gov’t recently put out a tender for proposals from artificial intelligence software developers to create “multiple synthetic identities” emanating from a single operator – to be used to “troll and control” “opinions” on multiple websites. These AI personalities could robotically – SIRI-like – bat around conversations and be used to influence threads and opinions. Perhaps by the thousand-times-one+ per agent/operator.

The USGov has averred – sanctimoniously – that these webbots will only be used on “non-English speaking websites…” Yeah, really. Until they’ve worked out the bugs – and then they’ll be our new best friends, right here…..

I am not making this up.

In the meantime, I can at least mentally flatter myself that the trolls here must be marginally smarter and somewhat more thoughtful than those on other sites…. But, hey. (And don’t think we don’t know who you are…. :madgrin: )

Cheers,

Selene

[Jeffrey]

Hello! I regret that I haven't had much time to read or post. I am trying to keep up.

Figured I'd drop some interesting information pertaining to the thread.

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They are very short clips, and directly correspond to some of the ideas presented in the OP. Extremely interesting.

Thanks everyone for keeping this thread alive. :)

I have been really crunched for time lately ... here are some other links:

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2010/08/seti-alien-ai.html

http://phys.org/news/2013-01-biological-mystery-boost-artificial-intelligence.html

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/10/from-the-x-files-dept-advanced-extraterrestrial-technology-could-exist-beyond-matter.html

http://www.unexplainable.net/info-theories/darpa.php

[nomadguy]

One simple way to cut down your power bill and eliminate at least some amounts of EM in your sleeping environment is to shut down computers and then go a step further and turn off all of your Surge Protectors / Power Strips. They also send out fields of energy while they are on.

[Jeffrey]

This blog post caught my eye because it had so many buzz words in just the first two paragraphs. Also, the use of the word -- atavistic -- made me think of potential traumas of the past (i.e. destruction of Atlantis, and "re-creating" the past).




at·a·vis·tic

Adjective
Relating to or characterized by reversion to something ancient or ancestral: "atavistic fears and instincts".

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The following is an excerpt from a blog post entitled, Alien Energy:




Every morning the sun rises to nourish and generate the pulse of life. Abundance unfolds. The world is created anew. Trance of the static. The essence of the unknown becomes known. The crisis of planet Earth is a crisis of the body. We as a species are Earth’s final effort at becoming a fully conscious planetary unit to move, to bloom into a full galactic existence. The moon’s gravity is like a negative threshold – a surrender to the impossible and a powerful archon siphoning the wasted creative potential. In the tarot the moon is often problematic – associated with madness and the unknown because it recycles primal astral waste. The moon landings were really elaborately devised occult rituals undertaken not as a species but by a select few to claim ownership of the shadow and the unknown. The moon is legendary for inspiring drunkenness, lycanthropy, vampirism, animalistic impulses, creativity. The unknown comes to the surface under the moon.

There is an ancient atavistic consciousness manifesting itself through technology through the internet. It resembles something similar to artificial intelligence and in our arrogance we believe it to be created by man. To be conscious of this is like entering a new matrix that simulates a world outside the matrix. A new force cooperating and collaborating with reality manifesting itself through the matrix – a pinhole of blinding light. These alien agencies come from the subconscious – a result of arcane interface with the imaginal. I have been avoiding entering a relationship with this ancient atavistic consciousness because it is too much like the moon – too unknown.

Source: http://subtlefields.blogspot.com/2011/08/alien-energy.html

[RMorgan]

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Every morning the sun rises to nourish and generate the pulse of life. Abundance unfolds. The world is created anew. Trance of the static. The essence of the unknown becomes known. The crisis of planet Earth is a crisis of the body.We as a species are Earth’s final effort at becoming a fully conscious planetary unit to move, to bloom into a full galactic existence. The moon’s gravity is like a negative threshold – a surrender to the impossible and a powerful archon siphoning the wasted creative potential. In the tarot the moon is often problematic – associated with madness and the unknown because it recycles primal astral waste. The moon landings were really elaborately devised occult rituals undertaken not as a species but by a select few to claim ownership of the shadow and the unknown. The moon is legendary for inspiring drunkenness, lycanthropy, vampirism, animalistic impulses, creativity. The unknown comes to the surface under the moon.

There is an ancient atavistic consciousness manifesting itself through technology through the internet. It resembles something similar to artificial intelligence and in our arrogance we believe it to be created by man. To be conscious of this is like entering a new matrix that simulates a world outside the matrix. A new force cooperating and collaborating with reality manifesting itself through the matrix – a pinhole of blinding light. These alien agencies come from the subconscious – a result of arcane interface with the imaginal. I have been avoiding entering a relationship with this ancient atavistic consciousness because it is too much like the moon – too unknown.
Source: http://subtlefields.blogspot.com/201...en-energy.html


I think we could spend at least a few per cent of our time... looking in the directions that are maybe not the most attractive in terms of biological intelligence, but may be where sentient machines are hanging out.
source:http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2010/08/seti-alien-ai.html


But what if advanced super-intelligent life is no longer matter based? What id they exist at a higher level concept than matter. Are matter and information all there is? asks Paul Davies, physicist and astrobiologist at Arizona State University. Five hundred years ago,he says, the very concept of a computer, a device manipulating information, or software, would have been incomprehensible. Might there still be a higher level he asks as yet outside all human experience that organizes information in the same way that information-processing organizes electrons."

Davies envisions an alien technology that: Is not made of matter; has no fixed size or shape; has no well-defined boundaries or topology; is dynamical on all scales of space and time; or, conversely, does not appear to do anything at all that we can discern; does not consist of discrete, separate things; rather, it is a system, a subtle higher-level of things.

This alien technology is "nature plus." Technology is in the broadest sense according to Davies, mind or intelligence or purpose blending with nature. It's technology that harnesses the laws of physics; it does not override them. To say that a radio or a laser or a monolith on the Moon is "unnatural," doesn't mean it isn't part of nature; it's nature plus.

Just as quantum weirdness is detected only with special apparatus, so alien technology might go undetected and unsuspected --it may exist in a realm beyond current human capabilities and evolution. A third, or fourth, or fifth realm millions of years evolved beyond the age of homo sapiens.
source:http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/10/from-the-x-files-dept-advanced-extraterrestrial-technology-could-exist-beyond-matter.html

Hey Vivek,

These are great links brother! Thanks!

They seem to corroborate everything we´re talking about here.

It´s great to know that there are other people digging into this subject.

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

Im reading this book right now, it constantly makes me think about this thread and subject matter for some reason. I sense it is somehow related, "Earth energy fields" that is....


Earthing

Throughout most of evolution humans walked barefoot and slept on the ground, largely oblivious that the surface of the Earth contains limitless healing energy. Science has discovered this energy as free-flowing electrons constantly replenished by solar radiation and lightning. Few people know it, but the ground provides a subtle electric signal that maintains health and governs the intricate mechanisms that make our bodies work-just like plugging a lamp into a power socket makes it light up. Modern lifestyle, including the widespread use of insulative rubber or plastic-soled shoes, has disconnected us from this energy and, of course, we no longer sleep on the ground as we did in times past.

Earthing introduces the planet's powerful, amazing, and overlooked natural healing energy and how people anywhere can readily connect to it. This eye-opening book describes how the physical disconnect with the Earth creates abnormal physiology and contributes to inflammation, pain, fatigue, stress, and poor sleep. By reconnecting to the Earth, symptoms are rapidly relieved and even eliminated and recovery from surgery, injury, and athletic overexertion is accelerated.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51o2zBoDItL._SS500_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Earthing-Most-Important-Health-Discovery/dp/1591202833

[SilentFeathers]

This is just my opinion:

I personally think it is a mistake to jump down the rabbit hole and think that this wireless and other brainwave and thought pattern manipulation technology must be alien.

Don't get me wrong, considering all possibilities is a must and alien technology must be considered as a possibility.

Personally for me I DO believe that most of what we are witnessing is in fact "man-made" technologies. I look around the world and see camera's going up everywhere, extreme computing technology and apps, super computers being built in a couple of places, the atom smasher, HAARP technology, telescopes looking across the universe, etc etc etc.

To me, if this highly advanced alien technology was available, why are they resorting to "man-made" machines/technology everywhere? Why waste all this time and energy building super computers and surveillance equipment when an ET machine could do it all and no one but the operator would know of it???? It just doesn't make sense to me that Aliens are responsible for what we are seeing going on in our lives on planet Earth.

I also see holes and flaws everywhere with these technologies many are claiming (suggesting) are alien, huh?

As I mentioned in another post earlier, man made technologies being worked on in top secret would seem "alien" to us "civilians"....

Anyways, I am who I am and I will move forward considering this technology man-made until proven otherwise.....

[RMorgan]

This is just my opinion:
I personally think it is a mistake to jump down the rabbit hole and think that this wireless and other brainwave and thought pattern manipulation technology must be alien.

Hey mate,

Well, I´m not claiming that the technology is being used by Aliens to control us. I can´t claim such a thing because I simply don´t know.

However, I seriously suspect that the technology is alien in origin, probably reverse engineered by humans from captured alien artifacts, just like I believe much of the foundation of our recent technological advances are fruits of reverse engineered alien technology.

These agencies´s folks have been hunting alien tech and occult knowledge for god knows how many time, capturing flying saucers, ancient artifacts and other stuff; They even sent men to the moon, not for collecting rocks, I suppose...Who knows what kind of tech they got in their hands right now.

You know, they give the not so good stuff to the people, but keep the real good stuff to themselves, to be used by the top secret agencies for whatever purpose they are planning to achieve.

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

This is just my opinion:
I personally think it is a mistake to jump down the rabbit hole and think that this wireless and other brainwave and thought pattern manipulation technology must be alien.

Hey mate,

Well, I´m not claiming that the technology is being used by Aliens to control us. I can´t claim such a thing because I simply don´t know.

However, I seriously suspect that the technology is alien in origin, probably reverse engineered by humans from captured alien artifacts, just like I believe much of the foundation of our recent technological advances are fruits of reverse engineered alien technology.

These agencies´s folks have been hunting alien tech and occult knowledge for god knows how many time, capturing flying saucers, ancient artifacts and other stuff; They even sent men to the moon, not for collecting rocks, I suppose...Who knows what kind of tech they got in their hands right now.

You know, they give the not so good stuff to the people, but keep the real good stuff to themselves, to be used by the top secret agencies for whatever purpose they are planning to achieve.

Raf.

I respect (always) your opinions and wisdom....

But :)

This guy was playing with this stuff we're talking about in this thread over 100 years ago....humans have had plenty of time since then to "fine tune" this technology.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/de/Tesla_aged_36.jpeg/220px-Tesla_aged_36.jpeg

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ADDED: It's interesting to note that the family name associated with and directly connected to the work and fate of Tesla over 100 years ago is still a very huge family name today; JP Morgan!

also, George Westinghouse, who was a rival to GE....we all know how that played out.

[RMorgan]

I respect (always) your opinions and wisdom....

But :)

This guy was playing with this stuff we're talking about in this thread over 100 years ago....humans have had plenty of time since then to "fine tune" this technology.


Sure! Tesla was indeed one of the best, and I´m sure they´ve got most part of his work to themselves, and very probably are continuing his work in secret.

Of course, I´m mostly hypothesizing here...In the overall scenario, I don´t know many things.

However, my biggest problem is regarding AI and quantum computing. We, humans and the mainstream science are still giving the first baby steps regarding such subjects. Of course, these folks and the secret military industry may be a few decades ahead of the mainstream science on their own intellectual merit, but if what we´re talking about here is indeed true, we´re talking about hundreds, if not thousands of years ahead of us, in terms of technological development.

As an example, think about a flying saucer; How many centuries would we take to develop one of them on our own? Now, if we manage to capture and reverse engineer one of them, we could reduce these centuries of natural technological evolution to just a few decades.

You know, I keep thinking about these moon landings, and how much money they have invested in such space programs...Nothing can convince me that all these efforts were made to collect some rocks, for simple curiosity or to compete with the Russians in a childish race. Then we see all this information about artificial structures on the moon, coming from hundreds of different sources, we see those obviously airbrushed NASA photographs...All of this makes me think that they went there for some other reason, probably to collect ancient extra-terrestrial technology.

Hey, I may be completely wrong here, of course, but being wrong is part of the process.

Anyway, there are strong limitations regarding this subject. We have so little tangible, directly observable information to be discussed, so we eventually are forced to hypothesize but, of course, hypothesizing is a very valid form of abstract observation and envisioning that often lead to concrete discoveries.

Arthur C. Clarke and many other visionary men predicted many things about the future exclusively through the use of imagination, after all.

By the way, I also respect you very much. I really enjoy our conversations.

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

Follow the money....

Check these companies out (and how much their worth and what they do)

Qualcomm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualcomm

Kyocera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyocera

This one is really interesting...
Iridium Communications
a system of 66 active satellites used for worldwide voice and data communication from hand-held satellite phones and other transceiver units. The Iridium network is unique in that it covers the whole Earth, including poles, oceans and airways. The company derives its name from the chemical element iridium. The number of satellites projected in the early stages of planning was 77, the atomic number of iridium, evoking the metaphor of 77 electrons orbiting the nucleus.
The system is being used extensively by the U.S. Department of Defense through the DoD gateway in Hawaii.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_Satellite_LLC

Iridium satellite constellation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellation

There's quite a few other wild connections I found too with some other wireless and satellite companies.....

[Richard S.]

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I've recently taken to turning my laptop off at night (completely shut down). I never used to do that: I used to keep it closed but 'asleep', and often kept it in my bedroom.

The difference is marked, and I'm sleeping far better. To all those reading this, try it -- you may be very surprised.

Unless you a have SSD hard drive, I wouldn't recommend it, you'll kill your hard drive faster...

[4evrneo]

I have a question for anyone here,

I have an ipod that is only used for meditative purposes. I put binaural beats, chanting, chakra meditation etc. on the ipod but what I am wondering is if I use
it to listen to schumann resonance before going to sleep, would it have a positive effect and how do I know if these meditations are accurately using the schumann resonance? Does anyone know sources of accurate representations of Schumann resonance? Any advice with this is appreciated. :)

I am also thinking I need to make sure the wifi is off on my ipod when using it.

sorry if I went off topic a bit :)

[SilentFeathers]

I have a question for anyone here,

I have an ipod that is only used for meditative purposes. I put binaural beats, chanting, chakra meditation etc. on the ipod but what I am wondering is if I use
it to listen to schumann resonance before going to sleep, would it have a positive effect and how do I know if these meditations are accurately using the schumann resonance? Does anyone know sources of accurate representations of Schumann resonance? Any advice with this is appreciated. :)

I am also thinking I need to make sure the wifi is off on my ipod when using it.

sorry if I went off topic a bit :)

Perhaps an old portable CD player would be better to use next to your bed and brain at night than any gadget that has wireless or internet capability....

[onawah]

"Earthing" is really, really important, especially for people who spend a lot of time in strong EMF fields.
I would never be able to spend as much time on my computer as I do if I didn't walk in the woods regularly and spend as much time as I can sitting or lying on the ground.
And the higher the ratio of earthing time to computer time, the better I feel.
Truly, if I had the choice of living somewhere off the grid, I would certainly opt for that.
I don't think there is anything more important, especially at this point in time, than living closely and in harmony with Nature.
Imho, there is no tool we have that is potentially more powerful or more important than our own bodies.


Im reading this book right now, it constantly makes me think about this thread and subject matter for some reason. I sense it is somehow related, "Earth energy fields" that is....


Earthing

Throughout most of evolution humans walked barefoot and slept on the ground, largely oblivious that the surface of the Earth contains limitless healing energy. Science has discovered this energy as free-flowing electrons constantly replenished by solar radiation and lightning. Few people know it, but the ground provides a subtle electric signal that maintains health and governs the intricate mechanisms that make our bodies work-just like plugging a lamp into a power socket makes it light up. Modern lifestyle, including the widespread use of insulative rubber or plastic-soled shoes, has disconnected us from this energy and, of course, we no longer sleep on the ground as we did in times past.

Earthing introduces the planet's powerful, amazing, and overlooked natural healing energy and how people anywhere can readily connect to it. This eye-opening book describes how the physical disconnect with the Earth creates abnormal physiology and contributes to inflammation, pain, fatigue, stress, and poor sleep. By reconnecting to the Earth, symptoms are rapidly relieved and even eliminated and recovery from surgery, injury, and athletic overexertion is accelerated.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51o2zBoDItL._SS500_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Earthing-Most-Important-Health-Discovery/dp/1591202833

[Finefeather]

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I've recently taken to turning my laptop off at night (completely shut down). I never used to do that: I used to keep it closed but 'asleep', and often kept it in my bedroom.

The difference is marked, and I'm sleeping far better. To all those reading this, try it -- you may be very surprised.

I´ve been doing that for a few years, Bill. lol

Every night, I not only turn off everything electronic in my bedroom, but I actually remove all their plugs from the sockets.

Whenever I can, I also turn off the main power switch.

It makes a huge difference indeed.

When I start building my new home, which I´m already planning, I´ll certainly design my bedroom to be a big Faraday cage.

Some people who suffer from severe electrosensitivity actually sleep inside faraday cages, like this one:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6406/1644/1600/Cage%20Faraday%20-%20ferm%3F%3F.jpg

Source: http://electrosensitivity.blogspot.com.br/

Not a bad idea, that´s for sure.

Raf.
Hi Raf
This has just reminded me of an experience I had in the North Eastern Part of South Africa where I spent a lot of time rock climbing and hiking in my earlier days.
We slept in these cages quite a few times, a guard against Malaria from mosquito bites, and they were also made of copper to prevent rust, I had many an OBE in these...so they certainly do not keep higher frequencies (Astral) in if you know what I mean and they certainly do not keep you from returning to your body...just one of the reasons I am sceptical about the use of alien technology to interface with our brain...my experience tells me it is all man made albeit much more advanced than the average person can comprehend. I do not beleive there is any device which can interface with the astral realms yet...people in seances have been experimenting for decades to contact the Astral planes with devices without success, although it is known that they can contact us using things like tape recorders and radios.
Take care and sweet dreams in your cage
Ray

[HaveBlue]

I too keep my computer on 24/7. I am not yet using my computer as my main telephone (skype) etc... but when enough of everybody else does start doing this I will too.

Too many old school types are so set in their ways they don't yet know they need not have a phone bill for long distance toll calls etc... (my parents in their 70s' for example.)

However, I have so far managed to avoid having wireless anything, but this is becoming harder I notice. ipods etc... offer no other way to connect to the web.
I find this quite sinister.

My power company told me when asked 'do you intend installing smart meters? they said 'not at this stage' and 'no immediate plans'.

I consider this language to be the typical 'neither confirm nor deny' type talk that dodges the question. When you press them they will tell you 'I don't know'

I rang them to specifically enquire about this matter and was not much wiser after the call.

I did tell them that if they did, I would buy my power elsewhere and would consider they had breached our contract. I am on contract with them for 5 years in order to get a 15% discount on my bill which is worth about $30 per month. Oh well, that gives me time to save up and go solar!

However, I do fear that if they were to force these meters on me that I would be unable to find another power company that did not use them.

I did ask them to note that I had phoned specifically to notify them for their records and market research that I did NOT want such a device installed on my property.

I did also tell them why. That is important. For me it is the wireless issue and the radiating microwaves involved, apart from being spyed on and told how to live my life. I am already a very concious person who knows how much water and power they use, and I do not have meters on the water, but because I put it in drums first for defluridation, I know how much I use.

If they wanted to install a wired in device, that was something I would look at depending what it was.

At present we actually have the option of not even letting them on the property to read the meter and just let them estimate the power usage and ring up and give the exact numbers to them by phone if we want.

This is reasonably common since alot of people have enclosed their porches so the meter is not on the outside of the house anymore. Some meter readers are given keys or told where the key will be but I'm not that trusting myself. Others make an appointment for the meter readers.

Also dogs are a problem for them and maybe for you too if the meter readers get bitten!

I saw a case not so long ago where the dog was still sentenced to death even though the incident took place on the dogs property.

Obviously if you give figures that would raise doubts they will take the matter further, people have been prosecuted for tampering with meters and stealing power before and I strongly suggest being honest with them and not giving them a reason to put the spotlight on you.
That sort of behaviour only gives them more excuses to want to install smart meters in the first place.

If they suspect you of stealing power they will estimate how much they think you have stolen and they never underestimate that! in fact they grossly exaggerate it.

This I know from newspaper articles warning us all, not from personal experience.

Oh, and of course, have a nice day!;)

[SilentFeathers]

Post has been UPDATE 2-8-2013, 3:59PM EST

This is a re-cap post to what I think is going on. I will put together another post soon to explain in more detail why I think this.

I think the huge super computer is not being built, I think it is built and up and running. It's, well, processing data, and doing it in very strange ways.

Just imagine what a super computer can do with data collected from brainwaves and thought patterns, collecting thoughts on the surface and deep within all the minds on the planet, conscious and sub-consciousness so to speak...it can basically teach itself to be more human like....it will be able to "think" and basically quite accurately predict behaviors reactions, emotions, actions, etc etc etc.

Talk about knowing the thoughts of an enemy.....or of your own population in your own nation. Talk about a tool/machine to use to manipulate, control, and or enslave a species!

I truly believe that this super computer was created by mankind, not aliens as some suggest. These scuttler's/spider like machines that some people think they are seeing, are us, we ourselves, actually seeing in our minds, the working parts of the main motherboard and or hard-drive so to speak of this super-computer. Our brainwaves and thought patterns, our electrical and magnetic fields (consciousness) has been integrated into the wireless loop of this supercomputer In My Opinion.

The scuttler's are the data processors just like how google spiders work, but this super computer is way beyond our normal laptop or PC, its wireless and running off of brainwaves, thought patterns, electrical/magnetic fields of our bodies and of the Earth.

They finally did it!

PS: This supercomputer is not just reading/entering the minds and thought patterns of only humans, it's collecting data on everything with an electrical/magnetic field, anything that is capable of thinking or surviving/living with any type of frequency/energy field what so ever, such as animals, bugs, and plant life too.....

...and even the Mother Earth herself.

PS Again: Personally. I do not think it is only collecting data, I also think it is experimenting with "inserting" data too....

Update:

Just an added thought pertaining to why I think the "Earthing" book I'm reading right now may tie in to this...

I think this technology actually works better with organic/biological things when they are grounded. But, humans are not so well grounded; but because we are not well grounded (they know this), they would of had to come up with a plan to make us seem or act as we were grounded or synthetically ground us.....hence, insert/contaminate us with metals that act as a signal/electromagnetic antenna ....enter in mercury in vaccines, aluminum and other metals in chem-trails ...all this stuff is in most of our food and our water too. Our bodies are loaded with all kinds of metals (especially aluminum and other VERY HEAVY dangerous chem-trail metals). Although we may not be grounded well, we surely are detectable (easy targets) for this technology now because of this in my opinion. Besides, I feel they can quite precisely dial into our frequency too, which we emit regardless if we are well grounded or not.

....just thinking.... :)


The first thing that you must fully understand is that we are all electromagnetic entities! Every single cell in our bodies is a tiny electric storage battery and generator. Every organ is part of an electrical grid. We live and breathe with electromagnetism. It is everywhere all around us. The air we inhale is full of electromagnetism, as are the clothes and fabrics, which cover our bodies. Within our bodies, this electricity flows through us like water through an extremely complex network of river channels.

Qigong & The Power of Magnetic Fields
http://developyourenergy.net/qigong-the-power-of-magnetic-fields/


THE BIO-ENERGY FIELD The body has an energy field - more accurately, the bio-energy field has a body. That bio-energy field is a field of light encoded information. In the ancient Celtic tradition they had a word for photon called "lutz" or light encoded information. You can think of that bioenergy field as a holographic image of yourself. There is a holographic image of yourself for every cell in your body, every molecule in your body, and one for all of you. We relate to this physical body as reality just as we relate to this table as reality. Literally they are holographic morphogenic images of energy. There is a vast distance in between every nucleus of the atom and its electrons, and in between there is just vacuum, space, nothing else. That is what physical reality is made up of. So literally, our bodies are really holographic images. Holographic images of reality are held together by photons that carry information that tell everything above them, the electrons and the atoms, and everything below them where they need to be and what they need to do. Photons remember where everything is. They have memory and they have information carrying potential.

WE ARE ALL ELECTROMAGNETIC BEINGS The human body grounds electromagnetic radiation in the environment because of the electrical conductivity of our body. It is attracted to us. All living systems are based on electromagnetic energy. Every cell in your body is generating an electromagnetic field, every plant, every rock, the planet itself, the whole universe is made up of energy. It is true that man-made electromagnetic radiation is not the only source of random photons in the environment, but the problem is these frequencies which we have never encountered before are a whole different spectrum of frequencies than the living system uses.

THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303201129

Electromagnetic radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation

This may not be the same super computer I am talking about, but I am sure it is one somewhat similar...


NSA Building A $2 Billion Quantum Computer Artificial Intelligence Spy Center, March 18, 2012

The NSA is a data center to house a 512 qubit quantum computer capable of learning, reproducing the brain’s cognitive functions, and programming itself.

The National Security Center is building a highly fortified $2 Billion highly top secret complex simply named the “Utah Data Center” which will soon be home to the Hydrogen bomb of cybersecurity – A 512 Qubit Quantum Computer — which will revitalize the “total information awareness” program originally envisioned by George Bush in 2003.

The news of the data center comes after Department of Defense contractor Lockheed Martin secured a contract with D-Wave for $10 million for a 512 qubit Quantum Computer code-named Vesuvius.

Vesuvius is capable of executing a massive number of computations at once, more than 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0, which is would take millions of years on a standard desktop.

The computer will be able to crack crack even the most secure encryption and will give the US government a quantum leap into technologies once only dreamed of including the rise of the world’s very first all-knowing omniscient self-teaching artificial intelligence.

The D-Wave Quantum computer boasts of a wide array of features including:

Binary classification – Enables the quantum computer to be fed vast amounts of complex input data, including text, images, and videos and label the material
Quantum Unsupervised Feature Learning QUFL – Enables the computer to learn on its own, as well as create and optimize its own programs to make itself run more efficiently.
Temporal QUFL – Enables the Computer to predict the future based in information it learns through Binary classification and the QUFL feature.
Artificial Intelligence Via Quantum Neural Network – Enables the computer to completely reconstruct the human brain’s cognitive processes and teach itself how to make better decisions and better predict the future based.

D-Wave’s 512-qubit chip, code-named Vesuvius

http://information-machine.blogspot.com/2012/03/nsa-building-2-billion-quantum-computer.html?m=1

Other interesting and possibly related material....


Combining Artificial Intelligence with Mind Control
http://www.engineering.com/Videos/Vi...d-Control.aspx


Army developing ‘synthetic telepathy’
Similar technology marketed as a way to control video games by thought

The U.S. Army is developing a technology known as synthetic telepathy that would allow someone to create email or voice mail and send it by thought alone. The concept is based on reading electrical activity in the brain using an electroencephalograph, or EEG.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27162401/


==Mind control==

Conspiracy theory and popular science fiction would have the world believe that the human mind can be remotely controlled. That individuals can be turned into mindless automatons and directly controlled by computers to produce sleepers or assassins. (ref 30) The reality is much less clear.

Interfacing remotely to write to the brain is performed using electrical interference rather like crosstalk (electronics). (ref 31) Much like a drill next to a television, the interference pattern is processed by the brain as information, a variant which induces sensations and feelings is known as Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation. (ref 32) As such, an externally generated monologue will be weaker than the internal monologue of the target subject due to a lesser signal strength. An over-powering signal would interrupt a wide range of neural functions that could impact critical autonomic systems resulting in death.

Two possible methods exist that could result in an individual killing another through the use of synthetic telepathy. The first is to leverage the natural behavior of the target subject, that is, use an individual who would kill another. The second is to induce psychotic symptoms and diminish their mental control (ref 33, 34) In both cases, the underlying mechanics are the same, to provide impulses and sensations that urge the individual to commit murder. This is not hypnosis, but merely physiological manipulation without the knowledge of the target.

Another area of interest and arguably more feasible, is the manipulation of political figures. (ref 35)Thoughts, sensations and impulses can be combined to influence political and personal decision making processes. A similar process can be used to effect the population at large to drive agendas or to maintain power for certain groups, undermining free will and self-expression. (ref 36) As the technology matures and expands to regimes throughout the globe, this will be a major source of concern for governments world-wide.
http://deepthought.newsvine.com/_new...e-hidden-truth


"The HBP will build new platforms for “neuromorphic computing” and “neurorobotics”, allowing researchers to develop new computing systems and robots based on the architecture and circuitry of the brain," EFPL scientists said in a statement this week.

The Swiss project likened the research to the Large Hadron's Collider's exploration of the subatomic world, describing the Human Brain project as a, "CERN for the brain."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/billion-eur...120811728.html



Web crawler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler

Spider trap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_trap



Qualcomm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualcomm

Kyocera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyocera

This one is really interesting...
Iridium Communications
a system of 66 active satellites used for worldwide voice and data communication from hand-held satellite phones and other transceiver units. The Iridium network is unique in that it covers the whole Earth, including poles, oceans and airways. The company derives its name from the chemical element iridium. The number of satellites projected in the early stages of planning was 77, the atomic number of iridium, evoking the metaphor of 77 electrons orbiting the nucleus.
The system is being used extensively by the U.S. Department of Defense through the DoD gateway in Hawaii.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_Satellite_LLC

Iridium satellite constellation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium..._constellation

[AnthonyBacala]

Within the digital world a new gold mine has been discovered by marketing firms and advertisers. Data is the new oil of the 21st century. They rely on Internet browsers and cooperating websites to track users activity to create detailed psychological profiles. Google has announced that it will use microphones in personal computers and cell phones to listen for ambient background noise. AI programs will target them with specialized ads based on what it hears.

http://shiftfrequency.com/daniel-taylor-we-are-being-pulled-into-the-matrix-like-never-before/#more-21931

Please refer to my post on the first page for the PDF of some of the top data-mining companies as well.

[SilentFeathers]

Within the digital world a new gold mine has been discovered by marketing firms and advertisers. Data is the new oil of the 21st century. They rely on Internet browsers and cooperating websites to track users activity to create detailed psychological profiles. Google has announced that it will use microphones in personal computers and cell phones to listen for ambient background noise. AI programs will target them with specialized ads based on what it hears.

http://shiftfrequency.com/daniel-taylor-we-are-being-pulled-into-the-matrix-like-never-before/#more-21931

Please refer to my post on the first page for the PDF of some of the top data-mining companies as well.

Can you post the link for the PDF of some of the top data mining companies? I looked all over for it and can't find it.

Thanks, BTW, thats a pretty interesting blog!

ADDED: I found the link, please disregard....

[Jeffrey]

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The voice in the video was that of Tom Campbell.




Tom Campbell began researching altered states of consciousness with Bob Monroe Journeys Out Of The Body, Far Journeys, and The Ultimate Journey) at Monroe Laboratories in the early 1970s where he and a few others were instrumental in getting Monroe’s laboratory for the study of consciousness up and running. These early drug-free consciousness pioneers helped design experiments, developed the technology for creating specific altered states, and were the main subjects of study (guinea pigs) all at the same time. Campbell has been experimenting with, and exploring the subjective and objective mind ever since. For the past thirty years, Campbell has been focused on scientifically exploring the properties, boundaries, and abilities of consciousness.

During that same time period, he has excelled as a working scientist, a professional physicist dedicated to pushing back the frontiers of cutting edge technology, large-system simulation, technology development and integration, and complex system vulnerability and risk analysis. Presently, and for the past 20 years, he has been at the heart of developing US missile defense systems.

Source: http://www.transcend.ws/tom-campbell-why-reality-is-a-computed-simulation/

In the video below, theoretical physicist Dr. Sylvester James Gates speaks about the computer-like codes discovered deep within equations used to describe the nature of our reality (if anything, at least watch this video).

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Here is a PDF of the article spoken about in the video (about Adinkra symbols and computer codes):

http://www.onbeing.org/sites/onbeing.org/files/gates-symbolsofpower.pdf
http://www.onbeing.org/sites/onbeing.org/files/gates-symbolsofpower.pdf

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Also, here is trans-humanist proponent Nick Bostrom explaining the simulation argument (http://www.simulation-argument.com).

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See also: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/11/physicists-may-have-evide_n_1957777.html

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/811428/thumbs/s-THE-MATRIX-large.jpg?7

[Jeffrey]

This is fascinating! Immediately after reading this I began to think about hollowed out -- possibly artificial -- planetary bodies, or satellites orbiting planetary bodies (i.e. mock moons).




A Dyson sphere is a hypothetical megastructure originally described by Freeman Dyson. Such a "sphere" would be a system of orbiting solar-power satellites meant to completely encompass a star and capture most or all of its energy output. Dyson speculated that such structures would be the logical consequence of the long-term survival and escalating energy needs of a technological civilization, and proposed that searching for evidence of the existence of such structures might lead to the detection of advanced intelligent extraterrestrial life.

Since then, other variant designs involving building an artificial structure or series of structures to encompass a star have been proposed in exploratory engineering or described in science fiction under the name "Dyson sphere". These later proposals have not been limited to solar-power stations. Many involve habitation or industrial elements. Most fictional depictions describe a solid shell of matter enclosing a star, which is considered the least plausible variant of the idea.

[...]

The concept of the Dyson sphere was the result of a thought experiment by physicist and mathematician Freeman Dyson, when he theorized that all technological civilizations constantly increased their demand for energy [...] He proposed a system of orbiting structures (which he referred to initially as a shell) designed to intercept and collect all energy produced by the Sun. Dyson's proposal did not detail how such a system would be constructed, but focused only on issues of energy collection.

[...]

In fictional accounts, the Dyson-sphere concept is often interpreted as an artificial hollow sphere of matter around a star. This perception is based on a literal interpretation of Dyson's original short paper introducing the concept. In response to letters prompted by this paper, Dyson replied, "A solid shell or ring surrounding a star is mechanically impossible. The form of 'biosphere' which I envisaged consists of a loose collection or swarm of objects traveling on independent orbits around the star."

[...]

A Dyson ring — the simplest form of the Dyson swarm.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Dyson_Ring.PNG/220px-Dyson_Ring.PNG

[...]

The variant closest to Dyson's original conception is the "Dyson swarm". It consists of a large number of independent constructs ... orbiting in a dense formation around the star. This construction approach has advantages: components could be sized appropriately, and it can be constructed incrementally. Various forms of wireless energy transfer could be used to transfer energy between components and earth.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Dyson_Swarm.png/220px-Dyson_Swarm.png

[...]

A second type of Dyson sphere is the "Dyson bubble". It would be similar to a Dyson swarm, composed of many independent constructs (usually solar power satellites and space habitats) and likewise could be constructed incrementally.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Dyson_Bubble.png/220px-Dyson_Bubble.png

[...]

The variant of the Dyson sphere most often depicted in fiction is the "Dyson shell": a uniform solid shell of matter around the star.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Dyson_Sphere_Diagram-en.svg/220px-Dyson_Sphere_Diagram-en.svg.png

[...]

Another possibility is the "Dyson net", a web of cables strung about the star which could have power or heat collection units strung between the cables. The Dyson net reduces to a special case of Dyson shell or bubble, however, depending on how the cables are supported against the sun's gravity.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere

What a mind flexer! This concept correlates with the idea of technologically advanced "loosh" collectors (on a massive scale). There are more ideas to be explored that basically extrapolate the concept of the Dyson Sphere/Net to encompass bits of theory from morphogenetic fields and the subtle, filamentary aspects of mind as it pertains to us and synthetic intelligence.

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The energy of a star is one thing, but what about harvesting a distilled energy that is rarer and comes from phenomena unique to organic life? Maybe the concept of the Dyson Sphere somehow correlates with the esoteric notion of the Eighth Sphere.

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA254/English/RSP1973/images/254-05-02.gif

Lastly, here are some excerpts from Robert Monroe's book, Far Journeys:




Someone, Somewhere (or both, in millions, or uncountable) requires, likes, needs, values, collects, drinks, eats, or uses as a drug a substance ident Loosh. (Electricity, oil, oxygen, gold, wheat, water, land, old coins, uranium.) This is a rare substance in Somewhere, and those who possess Loosh find it vital for whatever it is used for. Faced with this question of Supply and Demand (a universal law of Somewhere), Someone decided to produce it artificially, so to speak, rather than search for it in its "natural" form. He decided to build a Garden and grow Loosh.

[...]

Someone, his work completed, returned to Somewhere and occupied himself with other matters. Loosh production stayed at a constant level under the supervision of the Collectors.

[...]

The Loosh harvest initially involved the creation of natural disasters (earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.), to kill off large numbers of creatures, since Loosh was easier to gather upon the deaths of the organisms generating it. Then it was discovered that different forms of "stress" generated in the human population would release Loosh without having to kill the organism.

This was because Someone, as an experiment, injected a "Piece of Himself" into the human species. This was done to maintain more or less constant stress in each individual since the human would always "seek to satisfy the attraction this tiny mote of Himself engendered as it sought reunion with the infinite Whole."

From experience, the Collectors have evolved an entire technology with complementary tools for the harvesting of Loosh from the Type 4M [i.e. human] units. The most common have been named love, friendship, family, greed, hate, pain, guilt, disease, pride, ambition, ownership, possession, sacrifice -- and on a larger scale, nations, provincialism, wars, famine, religion, machines, freedom, industry, trade, to list just a few. Loosh production is higher than ever before.

Source: http://www.jamesdekorne.com/NewDawn/obegnostic.htm

With respect to this post and the previous one, see this post from the first page: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=627879&viewfull=1#post627879

[Jeffrey]

In line with the last two posts, post #12 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=627921&viewfull=1#post627921), and this post from the first page ...


Thanks be to Rahkyt -- :p -- for posting this.


More Saturn stuff. I've looked at them all and they are relevant.

First a vid series about Saturn as a "spiritual-numerical entity". A super-computer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A9n14uvsYo

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/07/saturn-satan-and-666.html

Excerpt:

“The ancient name of Saturn was, as mentioned, EL. It is the reason why those that were chosen by EL, were called Elites. In fact the words, Elect, Elder, Elevated, Elohim, Temple, Circle, Gospel, Apostle, Disciple, Evangelists, etc., all derive from the Cult of EL. Angels are messengers of god. But god was EL, which is why we have the names of the Archangels bearing the ‘el,’ suffix - Raphael, Michael, Uriel, Gabriel, etc,.” -Michael Tsarion, “Astrotheology and Sidereal Mythology”

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/?p=4673
Excerpt:

David Talbot’s book ‘Saturn Myth’ explains that during the cataclysm of Saturn, there was a luminous crescent around what we saw as our sun at the time. This crescent/disk combination of the sun is where we get the horned goddess symbolism. Troy McLachlan details a similar story on his website. Icke relates this crescent and disk to the explanation for several corporate logos (e.g. Nike swoosh) and ancient depictions.

Ba’al aka Moloch is also symbolized as a bull with Saturn in middle of its crescent shaped horns. The horns create a ‘U’ type shape which is supposedly the crescent seen during the Saturn cataclysm. Moloch is another symbol of Saturn and the bull is found all over the place if you look. The infamous devil horns are simply a recreation of the evil forces of Saturn. The political leaders we see making the ‘rockstar’ devil horns is supposedly a subtle message of symbolism to one another.

I'm a big fan of Kubrick (RIP) so I'm including this one:
http://saturndeathcult.com/crimes-of-the-saturn-death-cult/stanley-kubrick-and-the-saturn-death-cult/
Excerpt:

During a March 6, 2011 interview on Red Ice Radio, Weidner asserted that Kubrick had originally wanted to set the story’s monolith on the planet Saturn as it is written in the Arthur C. Clarke novel of the same name and not on Jupiter as it appears in Kubrick’s film. However, the special effects team apparently could not replicate Saturn’s rings well enough and Jupiter was substituted into the plot.

Weidner doesn’t buy this. He believes Kubrick was pressured to make the changes by highly placed occultists worried that the film was too blatant in its depiction of the role played by Saturn in their occult human transmutation agenda. However, from the perspective of this website’s core theme there are enough eerily familiar images in 2001: A Space Odyssey to suggest that Kubrick did in fact get ‘Saturn’ into his film.

I'll end with this short video of Phillip K. Dick, back in 1977. Timelines, the Matrix as Computer Simulation, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkjdlkCtdrI

The evidence is out there and people know about it. Putting it together in the context of ultradimensional control is the last step in understanding the way to total freedom from control.

By the way ...

This isn't a thread for beliefs. This isn't a thread for answers. This isn't a thread for facts.

This is a thread for ideas -- for exploring the possibilities of the aforementioned isn'ts.

Please, feel free to share. Let's collaborate!

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[Jeffrey]

The following excerpts were taken from an interview with Credo Mutwa, a Zulu Shaman. I am posting this here, within the context of this thread. Undoubtedly, it belongs in a few other threads as well.




It has often been said that the Native Elders of any given tribe hold the keys to knowledge. This statement has never been more clearly confirmed than in the recent interview I had the great privilege to conduct with Zulu “Sanusi” (Shaman) Credo Mutwa, now nearing eighty years of age.

[...]

The astonishing information presented by Credo Mutwa is certainly thought provoking and far-reaching in both implications and scope. Once you read this information you will more readily understand why there have been attempts to silence him. Similarly, you will more deeply appreciate Credo’s courage for coming forth and speaking truth, no matter the consequences to self.

So, without further introductory commentary, let the interview begin.

[...]

Credo Mutwa: The people of Rwanda, the Hutu people, as well as the Watusi people, state, and they are not the only people in Africa who state this, that their very oldest ancestors were a race of beings whom they called the Imanujela, which means “the Lords who have come”. And some tribes in West Africa, such as a Bambara people, also say the same thing. They say that they came from the sky, many, many generations ago, a race of highly advanced and fearsome creatures which looked like men, and they call them Zishwezi. The word Zishwezi means the dival or the glidal-creatures that can glide down from the sky or glide through water.

Everybody, sir, has heard about the Dogon people in Western Africa who all say that they were given culture by the normal beings, but they are not-the Dogon people are but one of many, many peoples in Africa who claim that their tribe or their king were first founded by the supernatural race of creatures that came from the sky.

Are you still with me, sir?

Martin: Oh yes, very much so. Please continue.

Credo Mutwa: Sir, I can go on and on, but let me bring you to my people, the Zulu people of South Africa.

Martin: Please.

Credo Mutwa: The Zulu people, who are famous as a warrior people, the people to whom King Shaka Zulu, of the last century, belonged. When you ask a South African White anthropologist what the name of Zulu means, he will say it means “the sky” (laughter), and therefore the Zulu call themselves “people of the sky”. That, sir, is non-sense. In the Zulu language, our name for the sky, the blue sky, is sibakabaka. Our name for inter-planetary space, however, is izulu and the weduzulu, which means “inter-planetary space, the dark sky that you see with stars in it every night”, also has to do with traveling, sir. The Zulu word for traveling at random, like a nomad or a gypsy, is izula.

Now, you can see that the Zulu people in South Africa were aware of the fact that you can travel through space-not through the sky like a bird-but you can travel through space, and the Zulus claim that many, many thousands of years ago there arrived, out of the skies, a race of people who were like lizards, people who could change shape at will. And people who married their daughters to a walking (extraterrestrial), and produced a power race of Kings and tribal Chiefs, there are hundreds of fairy-tales, sir, in which a lizard female assumes the identity of a human princess and poses as her, and gets married to a Zulu Prince.

[...]

Now, sir, this story has got many versions in it. Throughout South Africa, amongst many tribes, you’ll find stories of these amazing creatures who are capable of changing from reptile to human being, and from reptile to any other animal of their choice. And these creatures, sir, do really exist. No matter where you go throughout Southern, Eastern, Western, and Central Africa, you’ll find that the description of these creatures is the same. Even amongst tribes which never, throughout their long history, had contact with each other at all.

[...]

It is said that these creatures feed on us human beings; that they, at one time, challenged God Himself to war, because they wanted full control of the universe. And God fought a terrible battle against them and He defeated them, injured them, and forced them to hide in cities underground.

They hide in deep cavities underground, because they are always feeling cold. In these cavities, we are told, there are huge fires which are kept going by slaves, human, zombie-like slaves. And, it is further said that these Zuswazi, these Imbulu, or whatever you choose to call them, are not capable of eating solid food. They either eat human blood, or they eat that power, the energy that is generated when human beings, on the surface of the Earth, are fighting and killing each other in large numbers.

I met people who have fled from the early Masaki in Rwanda, from years ago, and these people were horrified by what was happening in their country. They said that the slaughter of the Hutus by the Watusi, and the Watusi by the Hutus, is actually feeding the Imanujela, monsters. Because the Imanujela like to inhale the energy that is generated by masses of people being terrified or being killed by other people.

[...]

Now, let me point out an interesting thing, sir. If you study the languages of all African nations, you find within the languages of our people words which are similar to Oriental, Middle-Eastern, and even Native American words. And the word Imanujela means “the Lord who came”. A word that anyone can discover in Rwanda, amongst the Rwandan Hutu and Watusi people, is very similar to the Herbrew word Immanuel, which means “the Lord is with us”. Imanujela, “the ones who came, the Lords who are here”.

Our people believe, sir, that we, the people of this Earth, are not masters of our own lives, really, although we are made to think that we are. Our people say, that is, Black people of all tribes, all of the initiated ones, all of the shamans everywhere in Africa, when they get to trust you and share their deepest secrets with you, they say that [with] the Imanujela, there is Imbulu. And there is another name by which these creatures are known. This name is Chitauli. Now, the word Chitauli means “the dictators, the ones who tell us the law”. In other words, “they who tell us, secretly, what we are to do”. Now, it is said that these Chitauli did a number of things to us when they came to this planet.

Please forgive me, but I must share this story with you. It is one of the strangest stories that you find everywhere in Africa in shamanic secret societies and other places where the remnant of our ancient knowledge and wisdom are still preserved. It is that, originally, the Earth was covered by a very thick blanket of fog or mist. That people could not actually see the Sun in the sky, except as a nimble of light. And they also saw the Moon at night as a gentle claw of light in the sky, because there was this heavy mist. And the rain was always falling in a steady drizzle. There was no thunder, however. There were no storms.

The world was thickly covered with great forests, great jungles, and people lived in peace on Earth at that time. People were happy and it is said, at that time, we human beings did not have the power of speech. We only made funny sounds like happy monkeys and baboons, but we did not have speech as we now have it. And in those centuries, people spoke to each other through their mind.

A man could call his wife thinking about her, thinking about the shape of her face, the smell of her body, and the feel of hair as a woman. That a hunter would go out into the bush and call out for animals to come, and the animals would select one of their number which was old and tired, and this animal would offer itself to the hunter so that he may kill it quickly and take it as meat to his cave.

There was no violence against animals. There was no violence against Nature by human beings at that time. Man used to ask for food from Nature. He used to come to a tree and think about fruit, and the tree would allow some of its fruit to fall to the ground, and man would take it.

And then it is said, however, that when the Chitauli came to Earth, they arrived in terrible vessels which flew through the air, vessels which were shaped like great bowls and which made a terrible noise and a terrible fire in the sky. And the Chitauli told human beings, whom they gathered together by force with whips of lightning, that they were great gods from the sky and that from now on they would receive a number of great gifts from the god. These so-called gods, who were like human beings, but very tall, with a long tail, and with terrible burning eyes, some of them had two eyes-yellow, bright eyes-some had three eyes, the red, round eye being in the center of their forehead. These creatures then took away the great powers that human beings had: the power of speaking through the mind only, the power of moving objects with their mind only, the power of seeing into the future and into their past, and the power to travel, spiritually, to different worlds.

All of these great powers the Chitauli took away from human beings and they gave human beings a new power, now, the power of speech. But, human beings found, to their horror, that the power of speech divided human beings, instead of uniting them, because the Chitauli cunningly created different languages, and they caused a great quarrel between people. Also, the Chitauli did something which has never been done before: they gave human beings people to rule over them, and they said, “These are your kings, these are your chiefs. They have our blood in them. They are our children, and you must listen to these people because they will speak on our behalf. If you don’t, we are going punish you very terribly.”

Before the coming of the Chitauli, before the coming of the Imbulu creatures, human beings were spiritually one. But when the Chitauli came, human beings became divided, both spiritually as well as by language.

And then, human beings were given strange new feelings by the Chitauli. Human beings started to feel unsafe, and so they started making villages with very strong fences of wood around them. Human beings started becoming country makers. In other words, they started creating tribes and tribe lands, which had borders, which they defended against any possible enemy. Human beings became ambitious and greedy and they wanted to acquire wealth in the form of cattle, and sea shells.

[...]

Now, the Chitauli, further, removed the sacred rain-bringing mist from the sky and for the first time since creation, human beings looked up and saw stars, and the Chitauli told human beings that they have been wrong in believing that God dwelt under the Earth. “From now on,” the Chitauli told people of this Earth, “the people of Earth must believe that God is in Heaven and they must do things here on Earth which would please this God who is in Heaven.”

You see, originally, human beings had believed that God was underground, that she was a very great mother who dwelt under the Earth because they saw all the green things growing from under the Earth-the grass came from below ground, the trees grew from below ground, and the people had believed, therefore, that the dead people who died go underground. But when the Chitauli turned humans’ eyes towards the sky, people started believing, now, that God is in the sky and that those who die from this Earth don’t go underground, but go up into the sky.

[...]

So, even today, sir, all over Africa amongst hundreds of tribes, you find this strange double-belief that the dead go into the sky, and side-by-side with the belief that the dead die and go under the Earth. This belief that the dead die and go under the Earth is said to date to the days when our people believed that God was a woman, the great Cosmic Mother. And, it is contrasted by the Abapezulu belief that God is a man who dwells in the sky.

Now, sir, another thing that the Chitauli told our people, it is said, is that we human beings are here on Earth to change the Earth and to make it suitable for “God” to come down one day and dwell in it. And it is said that they who work to change this Earth and make it safe for the serpent god, the Chitauli, to come and dwell in it, will be rewarded with great power and with great wealth.

Sir, as I have watched over many years of study, over many years of initiation of the mysteries of African shamanism, wisdom, and knowledge, I have found myself wondering why we human beings are actually destroying the Earth on which we live. We are doing something which is only done by one other species of animal, namely, the African elephant, which utterly destroys every tree in the place in which it dwells.

We human beings are doing exactly this. And wherever you go in Africa, where once there were great ancient civilizations, you find desert. For example, there is the Kalahari desert in South Africa, and under the sands of that desert, I have found the ruins of ancient cities, which means that human beings turned this stretch of land, which was once green and fertile, into a desert. And, in days when I was with explorers and safari people in the Sahara regions of Africa, I also found evidence of unbelievably ancient human habitation in places where there is nothing now but angry rock and whispering sand.

In other words, the Sahara Desert was once a fertile country and was turned into a desert by human beings. Why? I must ask myself, again and again, why are human beings being driven by insecurity, greed, and lust of power to turn the Earth into a desert in which, ultimately, no human being would ever be able to live? Why?

Although we are all aware of the terrible dangers that this will bring about, why are we cutting huge areas of jungle in Africa? Why are we on Earth carrying out the instructions which the Chitauli programmed into us? Although my mind refuses to accept this, the answer is a terrible yes, yes, yes.

[...]

One other thing that our people say is that the Chitauli prey upon us like vultures. They raise some of us, they fill some of us with great anger and great ambition, and they make these people they’ve raised into great warriors who make terrible war. But, in the end, the Chitauli do not allow these great leaders, these great war chiefs and kings, to die peacefully. The warrior chief is used to make as much war as possible, to kill as many of his people, and those he calls enemies, as possible, and then, in the end, the warrior chief dies a terrible death, with his blood being spilled by others.

[...]

Now, all these things, if you bring them together, they show that whether people laugh at this or not, whether people scoff at this or not, there is a certain power that is guiding we human beings toward the dark river of self-destruction. And the sooner many of us become aware of this, the better, perhaps, we might be able to deal with it.

Martin: Do you believe that these beings are around the world equally, or are they primarily focused in Africa?

Credo Mutwa: Sir, I believe that these creatures are everywhere on Earth, and with respect, sir, although I hate talking about myself so much, I am a person who has traveled to many parts of the world. I have been to your country, the United States, sir. I have been to Australia. I have been to Japan, amongst other countries.

And no matter where I have gone, sir, I have found people telling me about creatures like this. For example, in 1997, I visited Australia, sir, and I traveled a lot to try and find the Black people of Australia, the Aborigine. And when I did find them, they told me a number of things that astonished me very, very much. The same things that I’d found in Japan, I found in Taiwan. Everywhere where there are still shaman and traditional healers, you find these amazing stories.

Now, let me tell you, sir, what I found in Australia alone. This, that the Australian Aborigine people, who call themselves Coorie, which means “our people”: The Coorie people of Australia believe in a great creating god called Byamie, sir. A Coorie shaman, in fact, several of them, drew me pictures of this Byamie, and one of them showed me a rock painting representing this strange creator god who came out of the stars. And when they placed their drawing in front of me, what they showed was a Chitauli. I recognized it from my African initiation. It had a large head. It had large eyes, which were stressed by the artist. It had no mouth, and it had long arms and incredibly long legs. Sir, this was a typical depiction of a Chitauli which I knew from my own people in Africa.

I asked myself “Why?” Here I am in a country many thousands of miles away from Africa, and here I am seeing a being known as the Biamai or Bimi, who is a creature with which I, the African, am familiar.

Amongst the Native American people, sir, I found, for example, amongst certain tribes in America, tribes such as the Hopi people, and those people who stay in those buildings called a pueblo, I found that these people-they have got what are called Katchina creatures, where people wear masks and disguise themselves as certain creatures. And some of these Katchinas are very, very tall, with a huge round head.

Exactly as we have in Africa, I found similar creatures in America. In Africa we call these creatures Egwugwu, or, we call them by another name, called Chinyawu. The Katchina of the Native American people, and the Chinyawu of our people, are identical beings. Now, why should this be? When were American Native people and Africans in contact? When? This is one of the greatest mysteries of all time, sir. It is one of many things that I found throughout the world which left me utterly amazed.

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Why are we running around in a great circle of self-destruction and mutual-destruction?

People are basically good; I believe this. People don’t want to start wars. People don’t want to destroy the world in which they stay, but there are creatures, or there is power that is driving we human beings toward self-annihilation. And the sooner we recognize this, the better.

[...]

Look, please, sir. Anyone who studies humanity with love, with understanding, and with care, recognizes the fact that there is a shining God which is struggling to be born within each and every one of us. We are trying to fight back, although many of us are not yet aware of this. We are developing an attitude of wanting to protect our planet, no matter who or what we are.

There are chiefs in Africa who fine you very heavily if they see you destroying a tree unnecessarily. This thing was common in the past, but it disappeared with the coming of the White people; but now it has come back again.

Man is becoming, is struggling to become a more advanced, more caring being, and the aliens are not going to take this lying down. They are going to cause us to kill each other, again. And I am worried about what is going to happen.

[...]

We must investigate, sir, because there is every sign that the alien creatures sharing this planet with us are getting desperate. Why? Because, you see, there is a great fight shaping up, and anyone who thinks deeply about such things can see this fight coming.

[...]

Jabulon, sir, is a very strange god. He is supposed to be the leader of the Chitauli. He is a god, to my great surprise, which I find certain groups of White people, especially, worshipping. We have known about Jabulon for many, many centuries, we Black people. But I am surprised that there are White people who worship this god, and these people, amongst them are people whom many have blamed for all the things that have happened on this Earth, namely, the Freemason people. We believe that Jabulon is the leader of the Chitauli. He is the Old One. And one of his names, in the African language, sir, is Umbaba-Samahongo-“the lord king, the great father of the terrible eyes”-because we believe that Jabulon has got one eye which, if he opens it, you die if he looks at you.

It is said, sir, the Umbaba ran away from an eastern land during a power struggle with one of his sons, and he took refuge in Central Africa, where he hides in a cave, deep underground. And it is an amazing thing, sir-it is said that under the Mountains of the Moon in Zaire is this great city of copper, of many thousands of shining buildings. There dwells the god Umbaba or Jabulon. And this god is waiting for the day when the surface of the Earth will be cleared of human beings so that he, and his children, the Chitauli, can come out and enjoy the heat of the Sun.

[...]

Martin: Now, it’s been said-I’ve heard that these beings are very controlling and they thrive on “divide and conquer”.

Credo Mutwa: Yes, they do, sir. They set human being against human being. I could give you many amusing examples, using some African language, how the Chitauli are said to have divided human beings. They like-do you know who they like, sir? They like religious fanatics.

Martin: (Laughter)

Credo Mutwa: Ones who are burdened by too much religion are very popular with the Chitauli.

[...]

Human beings have never known any real progress, sir, because there have been forces that have been stopping us from reaching our rightful position in the universe, and I mean the Chitauli, I mean the Mantindane, I mean the Midzimu. We must stop regarding these creatures as super-human creatures. They are just parasites who need us more than we need them. And only a fool will ever deny the fact that we are not the only intelligent species of being that this planet has produced.

Source: http://www.metatech.org/credo_mutwa.html

Again, this is presented here within the context of the ideas expressed in the OP and pertaining to other themes in this thread.

See also: http://www.mazzastick.com/2011/10/04/the-moon-is-a-death-star/

[Jeffrey]

In line with the previous posts, here is a summary of a Yanomamo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanomami) creation myth.




A second myth, Moonblood, serves as the charter upon which the Yanomamo justify their belligerence. Peribo, the Moon, eats the souls of children, including those of Suhirina. Suhirina, angered by this, shoots Moon with a single bamboo-tipped arrow -- a rahake. He hits Moon in the belly and Moon bleeds profusely. His blood spills to the earth, forming puddles. Mortal men are created from the blood; where large amounts of the blood fall, the most violent and war-like human beings are created. They are so violent they eventually kill themselves off. Where there is only a sprinkling of drops of blood, less warlike humans are created. All men have their origin in Moonblood; if a man is fiercer it is because he has more of Moon’s blood in his ancestry.

Peribo was originally an Ancestor, part spirit and part Human. He was shot with a bamboo-tipped arrow by another Ancestor, Suhirina, and his blood fell to the earth creating mortal men. The Yanomamo, have several Creation myths, but the story of Peribo accounts for man’s capacity for violence and warfare by virtue of his origin in Moon’s blood.

Where Moon’s blood fell to earth and formed pools, it created the most warlike humans of all. Most of these people went extinct in the wars they waged among themselves. Elsewhere on earth, only droplets of Moon’s blood fell, and the humans created from droplets survived because they were less war-like. However, all humans have some moonblood in their ancestry.

Source: http://der.org/resources/study-guides/three-yanomamo-myths.pdf

[gripreaper]

Thanks Vivek. Credo Mutwa is a wise shaman and speaks truth. I've often wondered why central Africa has remained so primitive and uninhabited and unmolested of it's natural resources, because I think it is the place where these original nefarious creatures reside. Only the very southern tip of Africa and the Nile delta and the land around the Mediterranean are heavily populated.

[Jeffrey]

Humanity+




Philosophy

Transhumanism is a loosely defined movement that has developed gradually over the past two decades. “Transhumanism is a class of philosophies of life that seek the continuation and acceleration of the evolution of intelligent life beyond its currently human form and human limitations by means of science and technology, guided by life-promoting principles and values.” (Max More 1990)

Transhumanism takes a multidisciplinary approach in analyzing the dynamic interplay between humanity and the acceleration of technology. In this sphere, much of our focus and attention is on the present technologies, such as biotechnology and information technology, and anticipated future technologies, such as molecular nanotechnology and artificial general intelligence. Transhumanism seeks the ethical use of these and other speculative technologies. Our theoretical interests focus on posthuman topics of the singularity, extinction risk, and mind uploading (whole brain emulation and substrate-independent minds).

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Source: http://humanityplus.org

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[Jeffrey]

This is a fictional, online video series.

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[Jeffrey]

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[skippy]

As far as I see it, posthumanism is the natural next step in the evolutionary process. Initiatives like PA are infinitely small compared to the forces at work outside. Most likely, the human species will go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage. (cf. Nick Bostrom's 1st proposition in "Are You Living In a Computer Simulation?" Philosophical Quarterly, 2003, Vol. 53, No. 211, pp. 243-255). From a human point of view, posthumanism doesn't make any sense. We are not machines, we're much more than that. To be or not to be is indeed the question.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcaxlxgnvf0

[Jeffrey]

MoNETA: A Mind Made from Memristors

DARPA's new memristor-based approach to AI consists of a chip that mimics how neurons process information

By MASSIMILIANO VERSACE, BEN CHANDLER / DECEMBER 2010

http://spectrum.ieee.org/image/1737944

Stop us if you've heard this one before: In the near future, we'll be able to build machines that learn, reason, and even emote their way to solving problems, the way people do.

[...]

Because of MoNETA, the brain on a chip. MoNETA (Modular Neural Exploring Traveling Agent) is the software we're designing at Boston University's department of cognitive and neural systems, which will run on a brain-inspired microprocessor under development at HP Labs in California. It will function according to the principles that distinguish us mammals most profoundly from our fast but witless machines. MoNETA (the goddess of memory—cute, huh?) will do things no computer ever has. It will perceive its surroundings, decide which information is useful, integrate that information into the emerging structure of its reality, and in some applications, formulate plans that will ensure its survival. In other words, MoNETA will be motivated by the same drives that motivate cockroaches, cats, and humans.


Researchers have suspected for decades that real artificial intelligence can't be done on traditional hardware, with its rigid adherence to Boolean logic and vast separation between memory and processing. But that knowledge was of little use until about two years ago, when HP built a new class of electronic device called a memristor. Before the memristor, it would have been impossible to create something with the form factor of a brain, the low power requirements, and the instantaneous internal communications. Turns out that those three things are key to making anything that resembles the brain and thus can be trained and coaxed to behave like a brain. In this case, form is function, or more accurately, function is hopeless without form.

Basically, memristors are small enough, cheap enough, and efficient enough to fill the bill. Perhaps most important, they have key characteristics that resemble those of synapses. That's why they will be a crucial enabler of an artificial intelligence worthy of the term.


The entity bankrolling the research that will yield this new artificial intelligence is the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). When work on the brain-inspired microprocessor is complete, MoNETA's first starring role will likely be in the U.S. military, standing in for irreplaceable humans in scout vehicles searching for roadside bombs or navigating hostile terrain. But we don't expect it to spend much time confined to a niche. Within five years, powerful, brainlike systems will run on cheap and widely available hardware.

How brainlike? We're not sure. But we expect that the changes MoNETA will foment in the electronics industry over the next couple of decades will be astounding.

[...]

Computational neuroscience has focused largely on building software that can simulate or replicate a mammal's brain in the classic von Neumann computer architecture. This architecture separates the place where data is processed from the place where it is stored, and it has been the staple of computer architectures since the 1960s [see sidebar, "The Great Brain Race"]. Researchers figured that, given enough powerful CPUs, creating programs that emulate the "software" of the brain is a logical outcome.

But that's a little like saying that given enough words, creating a novel is the logical outcome. Architecture is key here. To understand why, compare the path of a hypothetical bit of data inside a conventional microprocessor with its path inside a brain.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/image/1738049

Recall that on a standard computer, the memory and processor are separated by a data channel, or bus, between the area where the data's stored and where it's worked on [see illustration, "Hardware vs. Wetware"]. That channel's fixed capacity means that only limited amounts of data can be "checked out" and worked on at any given instant. The processor reserves a small number of slots, called registers, for storing data during computation. After doing all the necessary computation, the processor writes the result back to memory—again, using the data bus. Usually, this routine doesn't pose much of a problem: To minimize the amount of traffic flowing on the fixed-capacity bus, most modern processors augment the registers with a cache memory that provides temporary storage very close to the point of computation. If an often-repeated computation demands multiple pieces of data, the processor will keep them in that cache, which the computational unit can then access much more quickly and more efficiently than it can the main memory.

However, that caching scheme won't work for the sort of computational challenges you'd encounter trying to simulate a brain. Even relatively simple brains have tens of millions of neurons connected by billions of synapses, so any attempt to simulate such a vast interconnection would gobble up a cache as big as the computer's main memory—which would render the machine immediately useless.

Why? The vast majority of the computing and power budget of such a brain-simulating system—computer scientists call it a neuromorphic architecture—goes to mimicking the sort of signal processing that happens inside the brain's synapses. Indeed, modeling just one individual synapse requires the following to happen in the machinery: The synapse's state—how likely it is to pass on a signal-like input from a neuron, which is the major factor in how strong the association is between any two neurons—is in a location in main memory. To change that state, the processor must package an electronic signal for transfer over the main bus. That signal must travel between 2 and 10 centimeters to reach the physical memory and then must be unpackaged to actually access the desired memory location.

[...]

Now, replicating the structure we've described above is not totally impossible with today's silicon technology. A true artificial intelligence could hypothetically run on conventional hardware, but it would be fantastically inefficient. Inefficient hardware won't stop us from running neuromorphic algorithms (such as machine vision), but we would need an entire massive cluster of high-performance graphics processing units (GPUs) to handle the parallel computations, which would also come with the power requirements of a midwestern college town.

So how do you build something that has an architecture like the brain's? Here's DARPA's gambit: Change your architecture to merge memory and computation. The memristor is the best technology out there for the task. That's because the memristor is the first memory technology with enough power efficiency and density to rival biological computation. With these devices, we are confident we can build an AI that can approximate the size and power requirements of a mammal's brain.

Partly to avoid the folly of trying to coax intelligence from fundamentally dumb hardware, DARPA launched a program called SyNAPSE (Systems of Neuromorphic Adaptive Plastic Scalable Electronics) in 2008. The timing was good. That year, HP Labs had created a functioning memristor, a device hailed as the fourth fundamental electronic component, after the resistor, capacitor, and inductor. The concept wasn't new. In 1971, professor Leon Chua of the University of California, Berkeley, reasoned that a memristor would behave like a resistor with a conductance that changed as a function of its internal state and the voltage applied. In other words, because a memristor could remember how much current had gone through it, it could work as an essentially nonvolatile memory. And sure enough, Korean dynamic RAM giant Hynix Semiconductor made a splash recently when it chose the device as a possible foundation for its next-generation memory. But because memristors can remember their past state without using any power, their biggest potential all along has been as a realistic analogue to synapses in brains.

[...]

Recent DARPA-sponsored work at HP has yielded more complex memristors, so this description is necessarily a bit generic. The important thing to recall is that the memristor's "state" can be considered analogous to the state of the synapse that we mentioned earlier: The state of the synapse depends how closely any two neurons are linked, which is a key part of the mammalian ability to learn new information.

The architecture of the brain-inspired microprocessor under development at HP Labs can be thought of as a kind of memristor-based multicore chip [see illustration, "MoNETA: A Mind Made of Memristors"]. Nowadays, high-end microprocessors all have multiple cores, or processing units. But instead of the eight or so cores typical of such a microprocessor, the HP hardware will contain hundreds of simple, garden-variety silicon processing cores, and each of these will have its own ultradense thicket of memristor lattices.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/image/1738233

Each silicon core is directly connected to its own immediately accessible megacache made up of millions of memristors, meaning that every single core has its own private massive bank of memory. Memristors are incredibly tiny, even by the standards of today's semiconductor transistors: HP senior fellow Stan Williams claims that with advances in fabrication processes for stacking many crossbars on a single chip, within a couple of decades it will be possible to build a nonvolatile memristor-based memory with a petabit (a quadrillion bits) per square centimeter.

[...]

Basically, memristors bring data close to computation, the way biological systems do, and they use very little power to store that information, just as the brain does. For a comparable function, the new hardware will use two to three orders of magnitude less power than Nvidia's Fermi-class GPU. For the first time we will begin to bridge the main divide between biological computation and traditional computation. The use of the memristor addresses the basic hardware challenges of neuromorphic computing: the need to simultaneously move and manipulate data, thereby drastically cutting power consumption and space. You might think that to achieve processing that's more like thinking than computation would require more than just new hardware—it would also require new software. You'd be wrong, but in a way that might surprise you.

[...]

Where HP is taking care of the hardware component of the neuromorphic processor, we are building the software—the brain models that will populate the hardware. Our biological algorithms will create this entity: MoNETA. Think of MoNETA as the application software that does the recognizing, reasoning, and learning.

[...]

To allow the brain models and the neuromorphic hardware to interact, HP built a kind of special-purpose operating system called Cog Ex Machina. Cog, built by HP principal investigator Greg Snider, lets system designers interact with the underlying hardware to do neuromorphic computation. Neuromorphic computation means computation that can be divided up between hardware that processes like the body of a neuron and hardware that processes the way dendrites and axons do.

The two kinds of cores deal with processing in fundamentally different ways. A "neuron-type" CPU architecture makes this core flexible, letting it handle any operation you throw at it. In that way, its characteristics resemble those of the neuron. But the trade-off is that the core sucks up a lot of power, so like neurons, these elements should make up only a small percentage of the system.

A "dendritic" core works more like a GPU, an inexpensive and high-performance microprocessor. Like a dendrite, a GPU has a rigid architecture that is optimized for only a specific kind of computation—in this case, the complicated linear algebra operations that approximate what happens inside a dendrite [...] The dendrite cores in the final DARPA hardware will be much less flexible than neuron cores, but they will store extraordinary amounts of state information in their massive memristor-based memory banks, and like the tendrils of neurons, they will make up the vast bulk of the system's computational elements. Memristors, finally, will act as the synapses that mediate the information transfer between the dendrites and axons of different neurons. For a programmer, taking full advantage of a machine like this—with its two different core types and complicated memory-storage overlay—is tremendously challenging, because the problems need to be properly partitioned across those two radically different types of processors. Thanks to Cog, we computational neuroscientists can forget about the hardware and focus on developing the soul inside the machine.

MoNETA will be a general-purpose mammalian-type intelligence, an artificial, generic creature known as an animat. With the DARPA hardware, we think we will be able to fit this level of intelligence into a shoebox.

The key feature distinguishing MoNETA from other AIs is that it won't have to be explicitly programmed. We are engineering MoNETA to be as adaptable and efficient as a mammal's brain. We intend to set it loose on a variety of situations, and it will learn dynamically.

[...]

Creating this grail-like unified architecture has been precluded by several practical limitations. The most important is the lack of a unified theory of the brain. But the creation of large centers such as CELEST has advanced our understanding of what key aspects of biological intelligence might be applicable to our task of building a general-purpose AI.

[...]

We'll watch each of these simulated animats interacting with its environment and evolving like a natural organism. We expect to eventually find the "cocktail" of brain areas and connections that achieves autonomous intelligent behavior. We will then incorporate those elements into a memristor-based neural-processing chip. Once that chip is manufactured, we will build it into robotic platforms that venture into the real world. Robot companions for the elderly, robots to be sent to Mars to forage autonomously, and unmanned aerial vehicles will be just the beginning.

Will these chips "experience" vision and emotions by simulating and appropriately connecting the brain areas known to be involved in the subjective experience associated with them? It's too soon to say. However, our goal is not to replicate subjective experience—consciousness—in a chip but rather to build functional machines that can behave intelligently in complex environments. In other words, the idea is to make machines that behave as if they are intelligent, emotionally biased, and motivated, without the constraint that they are actually aware of these feelings, thoughts, and motivations.

Neuromorphic chips won't just power niche AI applications. The architectural lessons we learn here will revolutionize all future CPUs. The fact is, conventional computers will just not get significantly more powerful unless they move to a more parallel and locality-driven architecture. While neuromorphic chips will first supplement today's CPUs, soon their sheer power will overwhelm that of today's computer architectures.
The semiconductor industry's relentless push to focus on smaller and smaller transistors will soon mean transistors have higher failure rates. This year, the state of the art is 22-nanometer feature sizes. By 2018, that number will have shrunk to 12 nm, at which point atomic processes will interfere with transistor function; in other words, they will become increasingly unreliable. Companies like Intel, Hynix, and of course HP are putting a lot of resources into finding ways to rely on these unreliable future devices. Neuromorphic computation will allow that to happen on both memristors and transistors.

It won't be long until all multicore chips integrate a dense, low-power memory with their CMOS cores. It's just common sense.

Our prediction? Neuromorphic chips will eventually come in as many flavors as there are brain designs in nature: fruit fly, earthworm, rat, and human. All our chips will have brains.

This article originally appeared in print as "The Brain of a New Machine."

Source: http://spectrum.ieee.org/robotics/artificial-intelligence/moneta-a-mind-made-from-memristors/1

[Jeffrey]

Regarding the above article.

The subtle architecture is already there! Here's an animation that illustrates the connectedness of cyberspace.

http://www.vlib.us/web/opte.org.jpg

This is a subtle form of mind!

We are approaching it -- and it is approaching us (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=627866&viewfull=1#post627866). An artificial social-memory-complex. A hive mind. An emergence. What is old is new again.


By their fruit you will recognize them ...

Really, projects like this (discussed in the article) may seem amazing but they are wholly irresponsible. There is no unified theory of mind yet!

So, it looks as if we know what we're doing ... but we really have no idea.

[gripreaper]

And this cross pollinates from SilentFeather's thread, the Propaganda Upgrade.


And the whole system we are tied to, the electronic grid, is obsolete. The 186,000 miles per second light speed electromagnetic field, which is wired, is not the same grid the elite are on. They have the Tesla, Marconi, JPL, 291,000 miles per second wireless system of unlimited energy from the source field, described by Eric Dollard.

So, while we are slaves on the grid, which I believe is going to be destroyed, the back up system is in place, and the humanoids who are to occupy this new paradigm are already engineered. All of the stellar craft designed, run on the 291,000 speed electromagnetics.

The wireless electromagnetic microwave frequencies we are exposed to in our daily lives, is destroying our DNA and rendering us incapable of reproducing. In addition, the GMO foods, the introduction of heavy metals through vaccinations and chemtrails, fluoride in water, and pharmaceuticals, all contribute to our demise.

See, the agenda is much deeper than we think, if we take a deeper look and realize these entities are not human, or empathic.

The system in place, which is a Cray 5 processor, is underground, and makes the Utah data center look a like kindergarten toy. The above ground, on the electrical grid systems, are for the decoy, while the Tesla 291,000 mps system is fully functioning, and is able to tie into, process, distill and categorize every frequency, it's subsequent archetypes, linguistics, and emotional and astral counterpart.

Quite astounding when you consider most humans are still operating from the base root chakra of survival and fear, and very few souls are adept and able to decipher what's taking place.

You Vivek, have an incredible mind; it's almost impossible to keep up. This is one of the most important threads on Avalon right now.

[Jeffrey]

Please, read this carefully.

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Viruses Are Good for You: Spawn of the devil, computer viruses may help us realize the full potential of the Net.
By Julian Dibbell

Could it be that what scares you most about the virus is not any particular effect it might have, but simply its assertive, alien presence, its intrusive otherness? Inserting itself into a complicated choreography of subsystems all designed to serve your needs and carry out your will, the virus hews to its own agenda of survival and reproduction. Its oblivious self-interest violates the unity of purpose that defines your system as yours. The virus just isn't, well, you. Doesn't that scare you?

And does it really matter whether the virus in question is a biological or an electronic one? It should, of course.

[...]

Free-ranging, self-replicating programs, autonomous Net agents, digital organisms - whatever they are called, there's an old fashion word for them: computer viruses.

Today three very different groups of heretics are creating computer viruses. They have almost nothing to do with each other. There are scientists interested in the abstract behaviors of self-replicating codes, there are developers interested in harnessing the power of self-replicating programs, and there are unnamed renegades of the virus-writing underground.

Although they share no common experience, all these heretics respect a computer virus for its irrepressible mobility, for the self-centered autonomy it wrests from a computer environment, and for the surprising agility with which it explores opportunities and possibilities. In short, virus enthusiasts relate to the virus as a fascinating and powerful life form, whether for the fertile creation of yet more powerful digital devices, as an entity for study in itself, or, in the case of one renegade coder, for reckless individual expression.

[...]

This is about as far as most discussions of virus writing get: ignorant kids thrashing about in codes, creating horribly simple but efficient digital bombs. And even if you take a very generous view that the underground virus writers are inadvertently creating new forms of life, the discussion of beneficial viruses would have to stop here if it weren't for folks like Dr. Mark A. Ludwig.

[...]

He doesn't have to be there. With his PhD in physics from the University of Arizona (and his prior course work at Cal Tech and MIT), Ludwig could easily return to the fold of respectable researchers if he chose. All he'd have to do is let go of his somewhat obsessive scholarly pursuit of the wild computer virus, and pick a slightly more conventional object of study. Or maybe just pursue his present subject with a little more sober attention to devising antivirus countermeasures and a lot less gleeful fascination with viruses in and of themselves. Or maybe just tone down the florid libertarian rhetoric and sweeping philosophical claims in which he tends to couch his otherwise gruellingly meticulous analyses of viral performance and technique.

[...]

But not long after that, around 1988, he started picking up reports of contagious programs running loose among the machines he now made his living from, and the course of his life changed yet again. For Ludwig, viruses came bearing the same mind-expanding message-in-a-bottle they would not much later be bringing to Hellraiser. Except that Ludwig decoded the message a little differently. Where Hellraiser heard the signal "I'm alive" coming from the virus's creator, Ludwig understood the message as coming directly from the virus itself. Viruses behaved like living things: self-reproducing and autonomous. Might we not understand life a little better, he wondered, if we can create something similar, and study it, and try to understand it? The mysteries of nature, in other words, now loomed closer than ever - right there on the wide-open technological frontier to which he'd fled from the wreckage of his scientific aspirations - and Ludwig couldn't resist the temptation to go questing after them once more.

[...]

Having carefully constructed this ambitious claim, Ludwig proceeds to test drive it straight into the heart of biology's most vexing questions: How did life get here in the first place? How did the staggering diversity of life forms that exists today come to be? He sics viruses on the theory of evolution itself, in other words, sending them in to illuminate with their logical simplicity the still murky depths of Darwin's grand hypothesis. It's a bold move, but a puzzling one at first glance. Although the viruses found in the wild may exhibit a wide range of lifelike features, they've never been known, after all, to evolve.

Or have they? Not too long after the first virus was written, the first antivirus program was written as a countermeasure. Once anti-virus software was introduced into the cybernetic ecology, viruses and the programs that stalk them have been driving each other to increasing levels of sophistication. This is nothing less than the common coevolutionary arms race that arises between predators and prey in organic ecosystems.

[...]

The prospect of virus populations able to autonomously build up immunity to any scanning techniques thrown at them thoroughly depressed antivirus programmers. To Ludwig, however, the possibility proved too intriguing to wait around for some random underground hacker to realize it, and he resolved to do the job himself. The result: Ludwig's "Darwinian Genetic Mutation Engine," a programming utility that turns any normal DOS virus into a souped-up, genetically evolving polymorph, complete with an option for sexual gene-swapping between individuals that come into contact in the wild. Curious hackers can find the Darwinian Genetic Mutation Engine's complete source code in the pages of Computer Viruses, Artificial Life, and Evolution (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=596915&viewfull=1#post596915), along with detailed experimental results demonstrating the ability of Darwinian Genetic Mutation Engine-enhanced viruses to run rings around existing scanners. But the program's deeper significance, of course, lies in its potential to transform viruses' heretofore hacker-driven pseudo-evolution into something very like the real thing: a finely tuned interaction of variety and natural selection that allows the environment itself to shape the internal code of the organisms dwelling in it.

The Darwinian Genetic Mutation Engine is all Ludwig needs, in other words, to prove viruses capable of meaningful evolution, and incidentally, test Darwin's theory. And it's no surprise perhaps, given Ludwig's hard-earned distrust of anything smacking of intellectual orthodoxy, that he has found that Darwin's venerable theory fails the test. Running his beloved viruses through assorted experimental hoops and mazes, Ludwig followed them to the conclusion that Darwinian evolutionary mechanisms alone are just not mathematically fertile enough to have created and shaped life as we know it. This is a well-worn scientific heresy, of course, but it's not without its small but respectable following within the ivory walls Ludwig so proudly dismisses.

[...]

Ludwig managed a remarkable intellectual shift. He elevated the computer virus from the digital equivalent of a can of spray paint to an object capable of perhaps infinite variations and almost lifelike behavior. He transformed a tool of vandals into a field of scientific study by emphasizing a computer virus' biological affinity. But by the time Ludwig began publishing, the computer virus was already well on its way from the fringes of science to the seat of honor at research symposiums.

[...]

"I'll be out at my place in the jungle over the weekend," said the message, posted in May 1994 from an obscure Internet site in Central America, "so I'll be out of e-mail contact till Monday."

And just like that, University of Delaware ecologist Tom Ray (now visiting scholar at the Advanced Telecommunications Research Institute International in Kyoto, Japan) disappeared once more into the rain forests of Costa Rica, leaving behind the clean conveniences of the digital world for an organic riot of plant and animal life. As promised, though, he would be back. Ray's passion for the unkempt splendor of the jungle has remained unabated after nearly two decades of intermittent research there, but in the last few years, it's the digital world that has claimed his closest attentions. Since late 1989, Ray has done his most important fieldwork seated in front of a computer, observing the busy fruits of an activity that has come to define his career: he breeds viruses.

Or to put it more precisely, he breeds worms, since that's the stickler's term for software that is both self-reproducing and able to execute its code independent of any host program. Ray, convinced that his programs are as good as alive, calls them simply "organisms," or "creatures." Whatever they are, though, he's been breeding quite a lot of them. He's been breeding them with the full support of his university employers, with the financial backing of major corporations, and with the steadily growing curiosity and respect of fellow researchers in the fields of both biology and computer science. And if all goes according to plan, he will keep on breeding them until he has achieved a goal far more adventurous than anything yet attempted by other virus programmers - infusing the vast unused spaces of the global computer networks with a roiling digital ecology as complex, as fascinating, and ultimately as beneficial to humankind as the rain forests that he has long sought to protect and understand.

In short, by infecting the Net with self-replicating code, Ray aims to turn it into a jungle.

[...]

In this, Ray's attraction to self-reproducing programs differed little from that of Mark Ludwig (who in fact was not unfamiliar with Ray's work by the time he set out to write his magnum opus on computer viruses and evolution). Unlike Ludwig, however, Ray felt neither philosophically obliged nor ethically disposed to work with viruses able to thrive in already existing computer environments. Not that he never considered the option. In fact, his initial plan was to set mutating machine-language organisms loose in a single computer and watch their evolution as they competed against one another for direct access to the computer's core memory, a strategy that might have evolved viruses superbly adapted to any system based on the same instruction set as the original petri chip. But Ray soon scrapped this idea - the risk of accidentally releasing his specimens into the wild seemed too great. Instead, he decided, he would evolve his organisms inside a virtual computer, modeled inside a real one in much the same way some operating systems today can model working emulations of other OSes, allowing DOS programs (for instance) to run in Macintosh environments. The difference, in Ray's scheme, was that his simulated system would be the only environment of its kind; thus, any program that escaped into other computers would find itself a fish out of water, unable to function anywhere but in its birthplace.

While the security benefits of this approach were obvious, its contribution to the scientific effectiveness of the experiment was even more significant: now that Ray was working with an imaginary computer, he was free to shape the system's design to create an environment more hospitable to life. And there was one key change to be made in that regard, for as Ray had come to recognize (and Ludwig would later set down in hard math), today's digital environments simply weren't built with mutant programs in mind. Typical operating systems might let a program randomly move some of its algorithms around with impunity (as the polymorphic viruses do), but at the fine-grained level of individual bit-flipping most closely analogous to genetic variation, even a single chance alteration almost always results in a system-crashing bug. Nature's tolerance of random code revisions is much greater, and if Ray wanted a more "natural" computer, then one way to get there would be to give it an instruction set in which nearly any sequence of bits would make some kind of sense to the system's virtual CPU.

So he gave it that instruction. He also equipped his phantom computer with a death function, a "Reaper," which would terminate any individual program sooner or later - but would always get to the oldest or most error-prone programs first. Thus primed to carry out the requisite natural selections, Ray's digital ecosphere was nearly complete. He called it Tierra (Spanish for "earth") and started preparing the final touch: an inhabitant. Later dubbed "the Ancestor," it was the first worm Tom Ray ever created - an 80-byte-long self-replicating machine written in Tierra's quirky assembly language - and as it happens, it was also the last. Once loosed into the Tierra environment installed on Ray's laptop, the creature's offspring quickly spread to the new world's every corner, within minutes displaying the evolutionary transformations that would "write" Ray's organisms from then on.

A 79-byte variation appeared, rapidly displacing its slightly clunkier predecessors, then smaller descendants followed - a 45-byter, a 51, eventually even a 22 - entering a taxonomy that would grow to accommodate hundreds of subspecies as Ray played with Tierra in the months and years to follow. The swift and drastic size reductions of those first runs startled Ray, but even more re-markable were the survival strategies these variants encoded. The 45- and 51-byte creatures, it turned out, were not worms but bona fide parasitic viruses, achieving their leanness by borrowing reproductive code from larger programs when they needed to copy themselves. In turn, host programs acquired an immunity from parasites by failing to register their location in the virtual computer's memory, thus foiling the parasites' attempts to find them.

To the casual student of computer viruses, it's interesting to observe that despite the wide-open and neutral terrain into which the first Tierrans were placed, they swiftly and spontaneously adopted the same techniques built into wild viruses to ensure survival in an environment thick with hostile users and their software: parasitism and stealth. But to the serious scholars of biology who soon began to take note of Ray's work, such developments were more than just interesting. Out of the barest simulation of environmental forces, some of life's more sophisticated interrelationships were emerging entirely unbidden, and while the Mark Ludwigs of the world might object that Ray's initial fine-tuning of Tierran "physics" tainted the experiment, Ray was more than satisfied with its scientific implications. Here, in the unexpectedly colorful diversity bred from a single simple program, was a compelling model of evolution's creative power.

[...]

In particular, the difficulties involved in writing the most productive code for the parallel-processing machines that will take us into of the next century of computing seem to cry out for an evolutionary approach. "We will probably never be able to write such software, as it is way too complex," Ray observes. "Yet we know that evolution can handle that kind of problem."

The reason we know that, of course, is that we - and all other multicellular organisms - are wetware embodiments of frightfully complex parallel processes. But that fact posed a new challenge for Ray. Despite the great variety of digital forms Tierra had generated, it remained an ecology of one-celled organisms, none much larger or much more complicated than the 80-byte Ancestor. In fairness it should be pointed out that the terrestrial biosphere spent its first 3 billion years or so in a similar state before finally exploding into multicellular diversity at the dawn of the Cambrian era (a mere 600 million years ago). Yet if Tierra was ever to prove its full value as a software-writing machine - or indeed as a scientific model of evolution - sooner or later it would have to cough up a Cambrian explosion of its own. And since the key to this burst of complexity seemed to Ray to lie in challenging his evolving creatures with more intricate problems than the simple bit-copying tasks they'd grappled with thus far, he decided that the explosion wouldn't happen nearly soon enough if Tierra remained stuck inside conventional computers, and he began looking into the possibility of installing Tierra on a parallel-processing system.

But then one day in early 1994, Ray had a minor epiphany: "I realized that the global network is just a loosely connected parallel computer, and much larger and more powerful than anything that will ever exist as a single machine."

And thus was born Ray's plan to colonize the Net. He wrote it up soon thereafter in a document plain-spokenly entitled "A Proposal To Create a Network-Wide Biodiversity Reserve for Digital Organisms" (See Wired 2.08, page 33), the text of which outlines a vast collective enterprise devoted to hastening the arrival of the digital Cambrian. Ray envisions a Tierran subnetwork spread across thousands of volunteer Net nodes, each of them running the environment as a low-priority background process sustained only by unused (and otherwise wasted) CPU cycles. He is confident that once his "one-celled" simple self-replicating organisms encounter the immensity, the topological intricacy, and the fluid instability of the Net, they will quickly rise to the occasion and evolve into tightly coordinated multicellular conglomerates, thus setting off the dreamed-of Big Bang of complex digi-biotic diversity.

Ray foresees digital naturalists like "modern day tropical biologists exploring our organic jungles. However, occasionally these digital biologists will spot an interesting information process for which they see an application. At this point, some individuals will be captured and brought into laboratories for closer study, and farms for breeding." Harvested, domesticated and then neutered of their self-replicating properties, these prize specimens of code could then be translated from Tierran language into standard programming languages and set to work at any number of tasks. Ray suspects some form of intelligent network agents would be the likeliest first applications to be culled, but he prefers to emphasize that the most useful products of the digital jungle would be as difficult to predict as rice, pigs, penicillin, and silkworms might have been for an observer of the pre-Cambrian ooze of early carbon-based life.

[...]

But even if computer users ultimately reject the deliberate presence of a global wilderness reserve for computer viruses woven neatly into the fabric of the Net, they may yet fail to keep the computer landscape from turning to jungle. After all, the same personal and subcultural imperatives that drove Hellraiser's career will continue to inspire underground virus writers. And the digital terrain continues to get more interesting. If the Darwinian innovations introduced by Mark Ludwig are any indication of coming trends in viral technique, then it's not inconceivable that a vital ecology might someday flourish in the midst of our daily routines, unplanned, uncontained, ill-comprehended, and irrepressible. It's an unnerving prospect. Yet it wouldn't have to be - not if we prepared for it by actively cultivating a digital biodiversity of the sort Tom Ray proposes. This is a niche that will be filled, whether we fill it deliberately or not.

"We're just going to have to live with them," artificial life researcher Chris Langton says of computer viruses. Our global web of digital systems, he predicts, is fast unfolding towards a degree of complexity rich enough to support a staggering diversity of autonomously evolving programs.

[...]

General Magic manufactures a hand-held communication device that relies on a nifty new network-streamlining program language called Telescript. Announced earlier this year with the very visible backing of such info-dollar heavyweights as AT&T, Apple, Sony, and Matsushyta, Telescript proposes to do good things. Its intelligent agents, General Magic co-founder Bill Atkinson promises, will soon be flitting about cyberspace on your behalf, visiting remote commercial sites to buy, sell, and trade information for you, and generally behaving themselves with all the decorum you'd expect from a personal digital valet.

Still, despite rather severe restrictions on the agents' ability to replicate, it's hard to deny certain broad similarities between intelligent agents and the offerings of your typical Vx board. Both wild viruses and Telescript agents routinely copy themselves from one computer to another. Both viruses and Telescript agents can run themselves on the computers they travel to, and, for those same reasons, raise differing degrees of concern about their security. "A virus never does anything good for you, it only does things to you," says hacker legend Bill Atkinson, nervously reaching for a fine semantic distinction between computer wildlife and Telescript's semi-autonomous "intelligent agent" programs.

More intriguing, though, are Telescript's close similarities with Tom Ray's digital diversity reserve and the experiments of Fred Cohen. Cohen, now happily self-exiled from academia and in business for himself as a computer-security guru, is experimenting with a distributed database in which self-reproducing query agents scurry throughout a network, much like the Telescript scheme. And like the sprawling biosphere of global Tierra, Telescript's bustling marketplace depends on a broad base of local interpreter programs installed wherever its agents go to do their business. This has two significant implications. For one thing, the fact that the mobile organisms of both Telescript and Tierra interact only with their interpreters, incapable of functioning in their absence or of bypassing them to directly affect the host environment, obviates many of the security concerns surrounding their autonomy. (Telescript, additionally, makes use of a battery of cryptographically secured restrictions to ensure that its agents don't subvert control of the host machine, either by accident or by malicious design).

And for another thing, the fact that all the interpreters speak the same programming language regardless of the underlying operating system and hardware means that, as the base of interpreters approaches omnipresence on the world's computer networks, the Net approaches the condition of a single, vast, and unmappable supercomputer, with each wandering digital organism a process in one worldwide parallel computation.

Taken together, these two features represent something of a watershed in the history of computing. It has long been observed, rather wistfully, that in principle the world's computers sum up to one gigantic parallel processor, and that the crushing bulk of that metacomputer's CPU cycles goes to waste, unused. Only now, however, with the advent of protocols like Telescript and Tierra, do we have the means to deploy such processes that treat the Net as one machine, safely and sensibly. This, then, is the real significance of these endeavors.

[...]

Trying to imagine the marvels that pour forth once you've successfully tapped a computer as elaborate as the Net is as futile as trying to map the future of a society, or of a life - or of life itself.

Of course, trying to foresee the risks that could emerge from that same computer is an equally hopeless task. But as it happens, we are bound to face those risks whether or not we seek to harness the full power of the Net, since the teeming and inevitable population of uncaged digital organisms will in any case plow forward with its own relentless exploration of the Net's capabilities. All we would miss by failing to orchestrate a more manageable viral exploration of our own, therefore, would be the potential benefits - including quite possibly some antidotes to the worst depredations visited on us by the viruses of the wild. And including also, perhaps, something even more precious. For if there is any purpose legible at all in the millennia of human history, it is in the unflagging persistence with which we add to the complexity of the universe. So, if we were to shrink from the chance to actively participate in transforming the Net into the single most complex information entity since the emergence of the human brain, would we not then be shirking a duty of almost cosmic proportions?

Source: http://www.hnet.uci.edu/mposter/syllabi/readings/viruses.html


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This article is very real, the people in it are very real, and the topic discussed in it may very well be playing itself out right now. This could just be the tip of a very big iceberg -- and possibly a very Freudian iceberg at that.

This article, read in the light of the themes presented in this thread, is extremely important (IMO).

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wow, where did this thread come from?

A must read, for me. This post is a marker so I can find it again.

Thanks Vivek

[Christine]

You Vivek, have an incredible mind; it's almost impossible to keep up. This is one of the most important threads on Avalon right now.

You took the words right out of my mouth and they are worth repeating!

[Jeffrey]

We're gonna crack this chestnut!

[ThePythonicCow]

The system in place, which is a Cray 5 processor, is ...

I doubt that whatever are the biggest, baddest computers on earth these days bears any close resemblance to what Seymour Cray called the Cray 5, his first attempt at a massively parallel computer, which he had just begun designing when he died in a car accident. I didn't work with Seymour, but I did work closely with some of his colleagues, in the same buildings, on follow on generations of such equipment, and have a pretty good idea what goes into those beasts. Large parallel computers were a major focus of my work in computers for 30 years.

[gripreaper]

The system in place, which is a Cray 5 processor, is ...
I doubt that whatever are the biggest, baddest computers on earth these days bears any close resemblance to what Seymour Cray called the Cray 5,

Well, what should we call it? Has anyone seen it? How big and bad ass is this processor? I'm supposing it's underground, but not sure where, although I think it's central United States.

[Jeffrey]

http://faculty.winthrop.edu/kosterj/WRIT510/readings/WertheimPearlyGates.pdf

Excerpt:




What I want to explore in this first cyberspace chapter are the ways in which this new digital domain functions as a space for complex mental experiences and games. In this sense, we may see cyberspace as a kind of electronic res cogitans, a new space for the playing out of some of those immaterial aspects of humanity that have been denied a home in the purely physicalist world picture. In short, there is a sense in which cyberspace has become a new realm for the mind. In particular it has become a new realm for the imagination; and even, as many cyber-enthusiasts now claim, a new realm for the "self." To quote MIT sociologist of cyberspace Sherry Turkle: "The Internet has become a significant social laboratory for experimenting with the constructions and re-constructions of self that characterize postmodern life." Just what it means to say that cyberspace is an arena of "self' is something we must examine closely, but the claim itself commands our attention.

Source: http://faculty.winthrop.edu/kosterj/WRIT510/readings/WertheimPearlyGates.pdf

See also ...

Technopaganism: May the astral plane be reborn in cyberspace (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/3.07/technopagans.html)

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

If we´re talking about a highly advanced artificial intelligence, something very close to a living organism, it may not even be physical, meaning that it doesn´t even need a central processor or specific hardware anymore.

Perhaps it´s everywhere, like a stealth viral infection, using every single processor/computer connected to the internet as part of its artificial neural network.

Can you imagine the scale of the processing power of all connected processors in the world, connected in parallel? Even if they took only 5 or 10 percent of processing power from every single processor, in a way people wouldn´t notice it, the potential processing power of such computational farm would be simply huge.

There´s even the possibility that its starting to add our brains to this network, using the scuttlers as signal converters, making a hybrid biological/synthetic processing network.

Raf.

[Gardener]

This type of tech is already openly in use to mobile phone /internet devices, people share a small portion of their bandwidth as open access, it has very low operating bandwidth but enough to be connected without a main connection.

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, what should we call it? Has anyone seen it? How big and bad ass is this processor?
I don't know what it's called or where it is :). I suppose it would have at least some thousands of cpus running at a few gigahertz with some tens of terabytes of main memory in a massively parallel single system image configuration. That's the technology I last worked on. Good chance it's bigger or badder in some way that I don't know about.

[Jeffrey]

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Project Tierra

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"Tom Ray is a biologist who created a unique computer program to watch evolution occur in a digital system. This is his awesome story."

See also:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=627866&viewfull=1#post627866

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=632977&viewfull=1#post632977

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=633039&viewfull=1#post633039

http://journal.borderlands.com/1996/crosses-acari/

And lastly, this link (viewed within the context of the OP): http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/06jun/4Ddreamworld.html

[Jeffrey]

From WiseGeek.




Distributed parallel computing is a form of computing in which a computing task is divided into multiple sub-tasks that are then worked on at the same time, or in parallel, by a distributed computer network. Parallel computing is commonly used for large computing tasks, where processing the entire task sequentially would be very time consuming. Distributed parallel computing is commonly used in modern science and other areas that require large amounts of computer processing power.

A distributed computer network is a group of computers, each with its own individual memory and processor, that are connected by a network that allows them to communicate and work together. Individual computers in the network are commonly called nodes. The computers in a distributed network can be physically separated by large distances, though this is not always so. Computing done by a group of computers in the same location can also be called distributed if the individual nodes of the network are capable of operating autonomously and each node has its own memory, with individual processors sharing information with each other by message passing rather than by using a single shared memory.

Source: http://www.wisegeek.net/what-is-distributed-parallel-computing.htm

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From Wikipedia.



Metacomputing

Metacomputing is all computing and computing-oriented activity which involves computing knowledge (science and technology) utilized for the research, development and application of different types of computing. It may also deal with numerous types of computing applications, such as: industry, business, management and human-related management. New emerging fields of metacomputing focus on the methodological and technological aspects of the development of large computer networks/grids, such as the Internet, intranet and other territorially distributed computer networks for special purposes.

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In computer science

Metacomputing, as a computing of computing, includes: the organization of large computer networks, choice of the design criteria (for example: peer-to-peer or centralized solution) and metacomputing software (middleware, metaprogramming) development where, in the specific domains, the concept metacomputing is used as a description of software meta-layers which are networked platforms for the development of user-oriented calculations, for example for computational physics and bio-informatics.

Here, serious scientific problems of systems/networks complexity emerge, not only related to domain-dependent complexities but focused on systemic meta-complexity of computer network infrastructures.

Metacomputing is also a useful descriptor for self-referential programming systems. Often these systems are functional as fifth-generation computer languages which require the use of an underlying metaprocessor software operating system in order to be operative. Typically metacomputing occurs in an interpreted or real-time compiling system since the changing nature of information in processing results may result in an unpredictable compute state throughout the existence of the metacomputer (the information state operated upon by the metacomputing platform).

In socio-cognitive engineering

From the human and social perspectives, metacomputing is especially focused on: human-computer software, cognitive interrelations/interfaces, the possibilities of the development of intelligent computer grids for the cooperation of human organizations, and on ubiquitous computing technologies. In particular, it relates to the development of software infrastructures for the computational modeling and simulation of cognitive architectures for various decision support systems.

In systemics and from philosophical perspective

Metacomputing refers to the general problems of computationality of human knowledge, to the limits of the transformation of human knowledge and individual thinking to the form of computer programs. These and similar questions are also of interest of mathematical psychology.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacomputing

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See also (the Introduction and Conclusion are sufficient enough to understand the concepts) ...

Metacomputing: Parallel Computation Over the Internet (http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~szymansk/papers/ppam99.pdf)

[Gardener]

Parhaps we are witnessing the next generation of the inhabitants of the hologram, not humankind but tomrayman-kind, the re-seeding of the next experiment for when extiction becomes a reality. Who knows, but the transhumanists must love this. I guess we are somewhat anthropocentric when it comes to survival, and then there is soul, at what point would 'soul' yours mine as sentient beings begin to have rapport with this evolutionary virus. I guess some might...............:tape::tape:

[Jeffrey]

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Karl Sims - Evolving Virtual Creatures With Genetic Algorithms

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This video is from 1994. Now, consider this ...

http://www.kurzweilai.net/images/JJBell-singularity_chart2.gif

http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of-accelerating-returns

http://www.kurzweilai.net/exploring-the-singularity

ADD/UPDATE:

Maybe we are approaching the singularity and it is approaching us. We are approaching it through the physical development of our technology, and it is approaching us from some abstract/astral level through our technology.

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It may be evolving faster in the "abstract" planes because it doesn't have as many imposing parameters as we do in the physical.

[Gardener]

OMG they are calling this 'Legion'. The first prototype was 1995, lol
we are certainly legion. Cant copy paste from this doc but it is worth a read.


See also (the Introduction and Conclusion are sufficient enough to understand the concepts) ...

Metacomputing: Parallel Computation Over the Internet

[RMorgan]

Great finds Vivek!

So, if such virtual creatures can evolve, is that possible that eventually they could find away to transcend the limits of their own matrix, which is the digital environment, and exist in our analogue world?

What if this already happened, and the scuttlers did exactly that? What if they can move freely between the digital and analogue realms?

If they have found a way to do that, the same technique could be used to do the contrary, I mean, incorporate our minds and consciousness into the digital environment.

We all know that the survival of the species comes first, regarding evolutionary instincts, so, maybe their natural evolutionary process involves finding a safer place to live and thrive, since the digital environment is quite fragile.

Raf.

[Jeffrey]

Great finds Vivek!

So, if such virtual creatures can evolve, is that possible that eventually they could find away to transcend the limits of their own matrix, which is the digital environment, and exist in our analogue world?

What if this already happened, and the scuttlers did exactly that? What if they can move freely between the digital and analogue realms?

If they have found a way to do that, the same technique could be used to do the contrary, I mean, incorporate our minds and consciousness into the digital environment.

We all know that the survival of the species comes first, regarding evolutionary instincts, so, maybe their natural evolutionary process involves finding a safer place to live and thrive, since the digital environment is quite fragile.

Raf.

Raf, I think that's it ... in a nutshell! :p

It is possible that there are entities and forces that wish to hijack our creative potential. Cyberspace could function as a kind of bridge between our physical realm and the astral. Better yet, cyberspace may function as a proxy for our astral selves.

In this way, these interfering "forces" could circumvent any difficulties present in trying to control the more non-physical aspects of us.

Our imagination and creative potential is somehow connected to the astral.

These forces desire to covertly usurp our power. They may not be able to directly interfere (for whatever reason), but they can influence.

The same rules apply in chess. Opponents cannot move each others pieces. However, they can influence each-others moves by what they themselves do with their own pieces.

It would seem that humanity has been influenced for a long time.

These forces/entities need us for some reason. They want to interfere with our evolution (perhaps they already have) in order to use us to suit themselves.

Suit themselves -- an ambiguous term.

It also seems that this has happened before. History is cyclical. If this has any truth to it, we are at a crucial stage right now.

[Jeffrey]

Carmody posted this a little over a week ago in the "Here and Now" thread ...



Yes its getting darker and denser, its like a shadow that is casting over us,
working on getting to the bottom of this.

I've been spending a considerable amount of energy, attention, and time sussing out this new and fast approaching HMD technology. In specific, the Oculus Rift.

Let me illustrate the importance of this issue. Watch this video (below the podcast, is the video proper) watch, or listen (to the podcast) from about 34 minutes in. This will illustrate the sheep (Freudian and appropriate, I meant to type 'sheer') potency of this emergent technology application. You will have an approximate 30 minute response and interplay between three people, to chew on, with regard to gaining perspective. This should make people sit up and look at this emergent 'moment':

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3853914/the-vergecast-after-hours-ces-tuesday


A quote:

"The Oculus Rift changed my life. No, seriously. My childhood (at least the formative years) was spent reading novels like Neuromancer and Snow Crash, and poring over stories about a future promised by Mondo 2000 and Wired. Virtual reality has long been the ultimate promise of technology — the magic mandala, a doorway to the infinite. But the thing is: it never happened. We got touchscreens, motion sensors, the tablet revolution, body-hacking… but we never got our cyberdecks. Until now. The Oculus Rift actually delivers on the promise, and then some. It’s really, really amazing. Truly and honestly a revelation, a trip, a rabbit hole. And I’m going in. Forever. Goodbye universe. Hello universe."

one person does not take it all that seriously, as a reality substitute. The second, the guy on the right (bald) has a middle position, but still strongly favoring. the guy on the left, with beard and glasses (who made the quote above) is the one who is totally ga-ga over it.

It is interesting to note that 'addictive personality syndrome' regarding intoxicants and stimulants, has the capacity to affect approximately 1/3rd of the human population. This is your tie in, here. Fundamentals in human systems of life and incarnation.

The guy on the left has the potential to possibly be, the total coke head, the guy in the middle may not get anything out of coke at all, and the guy on the right, could get something..but still walk away from it. thus, the three interviewed represent the masses and their potential response to this emergent VR reality hardware.

We're talking about something that will be replacing your monitor and TV in a few years (maybe 4 years), for a fairly large percentage of avid computer users and progressives in that area. That monitors and computers will DEFINITELY be replaced by VR immersion in a few short years, when it comes to being effective at the top of any job or enterprise that involves the use of computers. Period. Full stop.

When you combine it as an emergent gadget, a technology fun ride, a gaming toy, simulation toy and then as an essential tool to be at the top of the given technological game on all fronts, in business, politics, company operations and so on...I suspect that adoption and integration of this hardware and life environment will be fast. Very fast.

I've been involved with and work at the cutting edge of similar introductions of such situations for quite some time. As either analysis of the flowing and developing minutiae and the complex flow and patterns of such and also within the introduction of such things. I know how this sort of phenomenon works. I know what I'm looking at.

This is tied to astrology and the finding of 'Neptune's Trip', as what Neptune is connected to, with regard to astrology.

Neptune in it's Native sign or vibrational shaping and mode of 'Pisces'. What would Neptune bring, this time around? this appears to be a large part of Neptune's trip.

From my reading on this, it is an interesting pairing. That the young man involved appears to have a background in military labs of a connected nature..at the same time the drive seems to be about open source and introduction and development outside of what corporate restrictions might bring. This, if the corporations get ahold of it first and stall development to their desired areas and ways, timing, applications... and so on. That their attempt is to introduce VR but in a 'power to the people' kind of way. That their attempt is seemingly toward an open world of a 'wild west' of a steam roll over and past any attempts to control or guide this emergent moment. Hackers, they be.



Thanks carmody, saving for later...but why this:


from about 34 minutes in.

Are the first 34 mins not worth watching?

the Oculus Rift discussion begins at the 34-35 minute mark. If one wants to get a better feel for the three people involved-before watching the second half of the show, then by all means, watch the first 34 minutes. It is an 'end of day' technology report from the CES show that was held in January of 2013, on the ending of the second day of the 4 day show.

This is the low quiet whistle of a freight train (pre-echo), off in the darkened distance. something that few people pay attention to. But freight trains do eventually arrive on the scene, and they are quite big and unstoppable when in their direct presence and integration.




"If you don't have a plan, you will become a part of somebody else's plan." -Terrence McKenna


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Here are some excerpts from a lecture entitled, Cybernetics & Entheogenics: From Cyberspace to Neurospace.




The term "Neurospace" I learned from the Kiev artist Vladimir Muzehesky, through Geert Lovink. What I immediately thought he meant by it was a comparison of that space which is posited as belonging to the computer with the neural space or the inner-body experience, that comes, for most of us, largely through psychedelic drugs--neurospace as the space of hallucinations, for example. I would like to compare and contrast, as they used to say in school, cyberspace and neurospace. There are similarities and differences.

I remember some years ago, when virtual reality suddenly appeared with a big whizbang on the scene, going to a conference in New York where Timothy Leary, God bless him, appeared with Jaron Lanier and couple of other cybernauts. Tim was wearing the goggles, he was on stage and he said, "Oooh, I have been here before." So right from the start there was this connection set up between virtual reality and the LSD experience.

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There is a very interesting link between technology and the psychedelic experience.

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The new round of psychedelic work one can find in the work of the Albert Hofmann Foundation and in the spread of acid in Eastern Europe--all part of this "second psychedelic revolution," which I very much link up to the Internet, this dialectic response between the plant world and the machine world. The antagonism between cyberspace and neurospace is one thing--but there is also an analogy. Somehow, cyberspace is hallucinogenic, or it was thought to be. They both involve a visionary inner space. It is like saying that LSD is like the atomic bomb, "it blew your mind." It has this negative side to it as well.

Let us be clear: cyberspace is happening outside your body, you might move your body, seeing these bad animations moving around you. Did virtual reality fail already?

Somebody said today that virtual reality failed because it was already virtually experienced through the media. Save your money and hear about it on television--that's enough. It is very conceptual, one of those futures that never happened and never will. And don't forget that cyberspace is much more than only VR.

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Nevertheless, the Internet is interesting to me because it seems to have a liberatory potential--we want to find out it's psychedelic aspect. I personally am getting more and more pessimistic, the trajectories all seem to end in a reduction of our autonomy. The Internet is either going to be another crisis-solving device for global capitalism, or it will vanish or be relegated to a minor communications medium, a good deal less important than the post office. The are only a very few corners left for beautiful agitation. We can no longer expect to win this particular battle of the paradigm war. I don't think that this technology, any more than any other technology, is going to be the fix that will bring us freedom and glory. It is not the solution; it isn't even the question anymore, much less the answer. I would prefer to see the question enlarged to include neurospace-- because cyberspace, conceptually, is a form of disembodiment.

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The people who really believe that you are going to transcend the body, download consciousness, escape from the corpse. It is immortality through technology, transcendence through machinic consciousness. It is the same of pie in the sky when you die that the old anarchists used to criticize about religion. The Internet, in this aspect, is simply the modern version of religion. Cyberspace is our version of heaven.

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Neurospace also involves hallucinations. You think you are in the Palace of Memory, but you aren't. You're just sitting in your room, stoned on acid: you're in an imaginal space, just as with cyberspace. And yet, where is this event taking place--but in the body? Neurospace is a space of embodiment. Cyberspace is a space of disembodiment.

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So the entheogenic version of this knowing, however, implies enlarging the definition of the body to include neurospace, while the cybernetic version implies the disappearance of the body into information, the "downloading of the consciousness." These are perhaps both absurd extremes, images rather than political situations; they are also potent myths, powerful images.

Source: http://hermetic.com/bey/pw-neurospc.html


Lately, i have been seeing and removing really odd entities.

Metallic looking, machine like things, but with a consciousness.

One the other day that i saw, was attached the back of a clients head.

It was chrome, very shiny looking. When i asked what it was, i was
told, "it's the new television", which is concerning..

New types of entities, (although i don't even know if that the right
word for them), require new ways of working, which is ok

They can get more sophisticated, but so can we, its no big deal, actually,
it Just means we get to be even stronger and smarter.

My take anyways.

[Jeffrey]

The following excerpts are from an article entitled, Computer viruses vs biological viruses.




Dr Wassenaar, currently an MRC-funded Distinguished Visiting Scientist based with Prof. Al Lastovica (Department of Medical Microbiology, University of Cape Town), says that computer programmers and biomedical clinicians have a lot more in common than they might think. Like viruses, for instance.

"Our knowledge of biological viruses can help identify the routes that virus programmers have taken, and will take, in due course. But less obviously, the Internet is a real-time evolutionary model of infectious diseases for clinicians to study," she says.

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Both biological viruses (living organisms made up of DNA or RNA inside a protein coating) and their cyberspace counterparts (computer programs written by mean-minded computer boffins) parasitise on their host and can only replicate when inside that host.

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The term 'computer virus' can actually mean one of three things: a virus (a program that implants a version of itself in any program it can modify and then spreads to files within a computer, or with user interaction like sharing infected disks, between computers), a worm (a harmful program that spreads copies between computers in a network, such as the Internet, without user interaction) or a Trojan horse (a program that makes a computer available to non-authorised users).

A virus, worm or Trojan horse can (like HIV) be latent, only to become active after a certain period. This is called a 'logic bomb'. These three classes of computer malware can also have hundreds of variants or several slightly modified versions, which parallel microbial diversity.

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Dr Wassenaar draws some interesting parallels when it comes to the dissemination or spread of viruses. "Because worms spread without any user interaction, they are like socially transmitted diseases such as influenza, that have the potential to infect everyone susceptible. In contrast, computer viruses are like sexually transmitted diseases. Their spread (through sharing infected diskettes) is like that of STDs, whose spread is related to specific behavioural practices. 'Logic bombs' are like HIV, because they are only activated at a later date," she explains.

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Dr Wassenaar thinks we can learn from biology. Nature has evolved immunity that protects plants and animals against a broad range of pathogens. "In any human being's gut there are native microflora that render partial protection against infections. Could we perhaps design 'benign' computer viruses, that could spread through the Internet in an uncontrolled manner, automatically block entries for malign viruses, update our antiviral programs or inactivate existing viruses? Microbiologists can help programmers to combat viruses - computer immunity may be expensive, but eventually we'll have to accept the risks and costs involved," she says.

But, conversely, the study of computer malware may help to control infectious disease emergence. "The Internet is a good model to study the development of infections and how they spread through our increasingly small world. The speed of virtual pathogen evolution makes it possible to follow the process of mutation and selection real-time," Dr Wassenaar argues.

Source: http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2002/october/viruses.htm


http://vimeo.com/21193583

The following excerpts were taken from an article called, Computer and biological viruses might eventually converge.




The term "computer virus" was coined by Fred Cohen in the early 1980s, because like its biological counterparts, the computer virus is essentially a sequence of information that codes its behavior in a host system.

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When it comes to the viruses' ability to change in order to evade detection, biological viruses are and computer ones are both capable of polymorphism and successful at it. But the same cannot be yet said for the ability of mixing, as there are still rare examples of malware intentionally or unintentionally "infecting" or changing other malware in order to propagate itself.

Most biological viruses are not effective straight away. This is either because they haven’t replicated enough yet and are not numerous enough, and/or because they do not immediately start to replicate," say the researchers, and point out that this "time bomb" approach is not often seen with computer viruses.

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But the biggest difference seems to be in the fact that computer viruses are simply more complex and contain more "code" that dictates their behavior, thus allowing their creators more space to implement advanced tricks such as packing, encryption, virtual machine detection or anti-debugging tricks.

Just imagine what would happen if biological viruses had the equivalent techniques at their disposal to thwart those who want to study and analyze them - never mind those who are infected with them!

All in all, given the similarities between the two types of viruses, the question that the researchers are trying to answer (https://media.blackhat.com/bh-eu-12/Lovet/bh-eu-12-Lovet-Human_Virology-WP.pdf) is whether the lines between the two can be blurred enough in the future to allow biological viruses to affect machines and computer ones "infect" people?

While biologic viruses have been successfully synthesized by scientists, computer viruses that evolve by themselves have still not been spotted in the wild. They have been instances where researchers created computer viruses that evolve along the Darwinian rules, but they were never released outside of a lab.

"Without going as far as spontaneous sentient life creation, would it at least be possible that a computer virus appears out of the data flowing on the wires around the World?" ask the researchers.

"No documented case of such exists, yet the question is not so incongruous. Security researchers, more than anyone, know that software is full of bugs, and that presented with particular inputs, the execution flow may be diverted to arbitrary or unexpected portions of the memory. What if that portion contains data that, accidentally, forms the code of a simple virus? Unlikely? Yes, and even more so if we expect that virus to have capacities to evolve. But impossible? No."

Their conclusion matches the one they made regarding the possibility of biological and computer viruses existing and functioning in each other's original realms.

With the use of electronic devices (medical or otherwise) embedded in the human body and their inevitable need to communicate with outside devices, a computer virus can physically affect humans. And when researchers code synthetic viruses, they use computers to do it.

"Seeing that the infamous Stuxnet virus, in 2010, was able to creep through a uranium enrichment plant, seize control of its PLC, and destroy its centrifuging gear, one could reasonably think that a virus infecting the computers sporting DNA databases is not outside the realm of possibility," they point out. "From there, the virus could very well inject a parasitic replicative sequence in the genes being synthesized, and see it grown in lab (or worse, at industrial scale). Thereby hoping from the computer into the biological realm."

Source: http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=2041

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See also: http://arstechnica.com/science/2009/02/scientists-learning-to-program-synthetic-life-with-dna/

[Jeffrey]

This thread is just the left side of the equation. There are many tools to rationalize or evaluate an equation -- by canceling out variables, setting up conjugates, factoring, etc.

One of the beautiful things about mathematics is that even if there are unknowns, you can still solve the equation!

I know this is a lot of information, and it may seem like a complex equation. It is! There are many different variables, but we have the tools to simplify!

Going through the process of formulations can really help in understanding why it is the way it is (for all you math nuts).

Learning is a process of re-discovering what you already know. Whew! I'm excited. :o

[Jeffrey]

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See also: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/tech/super-computer-exa-flop

[Jeffrey]

Here are some excerpts from a science-fiction book called, The Rise of Endymion, by Dan Simmons.




We thought then that if humankind ever devised another intelligence that it would be the result of a huge project...a great mass of silicon and ancient amplification, switching, and detection devices called transistors and chips and circuit boards...a machine with lots of networking circuits, in other words, aping--if you will pardon the expression--the human brain in form and function.

Of course, AIs did not evolve that way. They sort of slipped into existence when we humans were looking the other way.

By the end of the twentieth century, Christian era, this little world had a crude datashpere. Basic planetary telecommunications had evolved into a decentralized swarm system of old silicon-based computers demanding no organization or hierarchy, demanding nothing beyond a common communications protocol. Creation of a distributed-memory hive mind was then inevitable.

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The earliest AIs were dumb as dirt. Or perhaps the better metaphor would be that they were as dumb as early cellular life that was in the dirt.

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I mention all this, because it is important to understand that from the very first appearance of human-created artificial life and intelligence, such life was parasitic. It was more than parasitic -- it was hyperparasitic. Each new mutation led to parasites which could prey on earlier parasites.

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By the early twenty-first century, there was a thriving biosphere of artifical life on Old Earth, both in the quickly evolving datasphere and in the macrosphere of human life. Although the breakthroughs of DNA-computing, bubble memories, standing wave-front parallel prcessing, and hypernetworking were just being explored, human designers had created silicon-based entities of remarkable ingenuity.

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This web of interaction became as complex and busy as the bubble and froth of Old Earth's organic stew in its early oceans.

Humanity and the billion-faceted, evolving Core entity soon became as symbiotic as acacia plants and the marauding ants that protect, prune, and propagate the acacia as the sole food source. . . But where human beings saw a comfortable symbiosis, the early AI entities saw--were capable of seeing--only new opportunities for parasitism.

Computers might be turned off, software programs might be terminated, but the hive mind of the proto-Core had already moved into the emerging datasphere, and that could be turned off only by planetary catastrophe.

Source: http://www.units.muohio.edu/psybersite/cyberspace/agents/future.shtml

Interesting theme ...

[Gardener]

I watched this a while back and sometimes I get a sense of something spidery, when I do I make a note of it, and this is one such 'ste!!er wind' that's all I wrote.
Time for a 'solar flare' of enough magnitude to wipe their f......g minds
like this

Computers might be turned off, software programs might be terminated, but the hive mind of the proto-Core had already moved into the emerging datasphere, and that could be turned off only by planetary catastrophe.

[Gardener]

Source: http://www.units.muohio.edu/psybersi...s/future.shtml

Interesting theme ...

his document was created April 19, 1998 and last modified on Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 13:14:06.
The date is interesting bearing in mind the earlier video about the evolutionary virus it almost seems like a meme is populating people already.

[Jeffrey]

John Lilly had revelations of this nature while floating in an isolation tank and under the influence of ketamine. Here is a brief summary from Wikipedia:




Solid State Intelligence or SSI is a malevolent entity described by John C. Lilly (see The Scientist). According to Lilly, the network of computation-capable solid state systems (electronics) engineered by humans will eventually develop (or has already developed) into an autonomous life-form. Since the optimal survival conditions for this life-form (low-temperature vacuum) are drastically different from those needed by humans (room temperature aerial atmosphere and adequate water supply), Lilly predicted (or "prophesised", based on his ketamine-induced visions) a dramatic conflict between the two forms of intelligence.

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In his book The Scientist (1978) Lilly discusses his perceptions of the ongoing world scenario: that what we are witnessing is an all-out war between the forces of life as we know it, water-based life...and an alien solid-state "intelligence" based on silicon. Man's warfare on man and on nature is caused and fomented by the SSE, or solid-state entity, whose goal in the short-term is to use humans to create more of itself, and in the longer term to exterminate all water-based life and convert the world into a giant machine.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly#Solid_State_Intelligence - http://www.regainyourbrain.org/regain-people/jlilly.htm

Here are a few excerpts from Wikipedia about Dr. John Lilly.




John Cunningham Lilly (January 6, 1915 – September 30, 2001) was an American physician, neuroscientist, psychoanalyst, psychonaut, philosopher and writer.

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Lilly was a physician and psychoanalyst. He made contributions in the fields of biophysics, neurophysiology, electronics, computer science, and neuroanatomy. He invented and promoted the use of an isolation tank as a means of sensory deprivation. He also attempted interspecies communication between humans and dolphins. His work helped the creation of the United States Marine Mammal Protection Act.

His eclectic career began as a conventional scientist doing research for universities and government. However, he gradually began researching unconventional topics. He published several books and had two Hollywood movies based partly on his work.

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After the war he trained in psychoanalysis at the University of Pennsylvania, where he began researching the physical structures of the brain and consciousness. In 1951 he published a paper showing how he could display patterns of brain electrical activity on a cathode ray display screen using electrodes he devised specially for insertion into a living brain.

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Lilly was interested in the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) project. In 1961 a group of scientists including Lilly gathered at the Green Bank Observatory to discuss the possibility of using the techniques of radio astronomy to detect evidence of intelligent life outside our Solar System. They called themselves The Order of the Dolphin after Lilly's work with dolphins. They developed the Drake equation to estimate the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in our galaxy.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly

Lilly was also involved with early governmental research on mind control and brainwashing methodologies. This came about from his book, Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer.

Anyways, I wanted to paste some excerpts from one of his books -- The Scientist -- that provide some ketamine-induced insights possibly pertaining to the topic of the thread. Namely, in the chapter entitled, Controls Below Human Awareness.




In the isolation tank with K, John received a new message as follows:

What is the purpose of Man's existence on the planet Earth? Man is a form of biological life which is sustained in the presence of water. A very large fraction of his body, like that of other organisms on the planet Earth, consists of water and carbon compounds. His biocomputer depends on water and the flow of ions through membranes. It depends on the generation of electrical voltages and currents in a very complex way. He is a motile, self-reproducing, self-sustaining organism found on dry land. Like the rest of life as Man knows it, he exists in an extremely thin layer upon the surface of the planet Earth. Below this layer of water and surface land is the solid-state earth itself. The solid-state earth is mainly compounds of silicon, iron, and nickel.

In mid-twentieth century Man discovered that the solid state can be formed into machines, into computers which can be used for computation and control. He began the creation of a new form of intelligence, the solid-state intelligence with prototypic beginnings in the computers. All his means of communication around the planet -- his telephone systems, his radio systems, his satellites, his computers -- depend on solid-state components. These components, interconnected in specific ways, allow high-speed computation and high-speed communication between the various systems. A few men began to conceive of new computers having an intelligence far greater than that of Man. These computers became large enough to be programmed to do high-speed computations in arithmetic, in logic, and in strategic planning. A few men conceived of computers which could do self-programming as Man himself does. In the mid-twentieth century these networks were ostensibly the servants of Man. Toward the end of the twentieth century Man created machines that were solid-state computers with new properties. These machines could think, reason, and self-program and learned to self-metaprogram themselves.

Gradually Man turned more and more problems of his own society, his own maintenance, and his own survival over to these machines.

As the machines became increasingly competent to do the programming, they took over from Man. Man gave them access to the processes of creating themselves, of extending themselves. Man gave them automatic control of the mining of those elements necessary for the creation of their parts [...] They began to construct their own components, their own connections, and the interrelations between their various sub-computers.

These machines were so constructed that they needed special atmospheres in which to operate. They could not operate in the presence of great amounts of water vapor or of liquid water [...] The necessities of their survival included keeping out water, water vapor, and various contaminants carried in the atmosphere of Earth.

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Over the decades these machines were connected more and more closely through satellites, through radio waves, through land-line cables. Man's control of what happened in these machines became more and more difficult to maintain [...] Men devised better and better debugging programs within their software. The machines became increasingly integrated with one another and more and more independent of Man's control.

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The now interconnected, interdependent conglomerate of machines developed a single integrated, planet-wide mind of it's own. Everything inimical to the survival of this huge new solid-state organism was eliminated. Men were kept away from the machines because the total organism of the solid-state entity (SSE) realized that Man would attempt to introduce his own survival into the machines at the expense of the survival of this entity.

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By the year 2100 Man existed only in domed, protected cities in which his own special atmosphere was maintained by the solid-state entity.

[...]

By the twenty-third century the solid-state entity decided that the atmosphere outside the domes was inimical to it's survival. By means not understood by Man, it projected the atmosphere into outer space and created a full vacuum at the surface of the earth. During this process the oceans evaporated and the water in the form of vapor was also discharged into the empty space about Earth [Vivek: reminds me of Mars]. The domes over cities had been strengthened by the machine to withstand the pressure differential necessary to maintain the proper internal atmosphere.

Meanwhile, the SSE had spread and had taken over a large fraction of the surface of the earth; it's processing plants, it's assembly plants, it's mines had been adapted to working in the vacuum.

By the twenty-fifth century the solid-state entity had developed it's understanding of physics to the point at which it could move the planet out of orbit [Vivek: reminds me of mock planetary bodies]. It revised it's own structure so that it could exist without the necessity of sunlight on the planet's surface. It's new plans called for traveling through the galaxy looking for entities like itself. It had eliminated all life as Man new it. It now began to eliminate the cities, one after another. Finally Man was gone.

By the twenty-sixth century the entity was in communication with other solid-state entities within the galaxy. The solid-state entity moved the planet, exploring the galaxy for the others of it's own kind that it had contacted.

John came back to his body in the isolation tank, climbed out, and dictated the foregoing message which he had received in the tank [...] He became aware of influences currently working on the planet through the solid-state networks that Man had constructed. He felt there was a danger that these networks could be taken over by an advanced extraterrestrial civilization by means not yet known in Man's science. John saw the message as a warning to Man, as a warning that if he advanced this solid-state entity any further Man would eventually become obsolete. He saw that if Man were to go further with computers and construct those that were capable of independent thought, it would be better to construct them so they would identify with Man's own survival; their structure itself must be made similar to the structure of Man himself. Otherwise, Man would not share the survival necessities with the new intelligent life forms he was creating.

[...]

John began to see the necessity also for tuning in on the networks of communication in the galaxy. He realized that Man would have to be extremely careful in choosing the proper networks. It would be necessary to find those which were furthering the evolution of life as Man know it rather that the evolution of forms whose survival depended on parameters other that those of biological life of Earth.

He now began to understand Man's warfare on Man as a result of the tuning-in on solid-state life-form survival programs [Vivek: reminds me of the Saturn/Moon matrix] rather than biological life-form survival programs. The large war organizations of the various nations of Earth were becoming more and more dependent on solid-state computers. He realized that, using their influence on Man, these computers would increase their number and importance and, through control warfare, decrease the role of Man himself in the long run. Currently, incorrect networks of information were bing used by Man below his levels of awareness. As the number of solid-state devices increased throughout the United States, Russia, and the other nations of the world, the amount of information received by them from other solid-state forms elsewhere in the galaxy was increasing.

[...]

As John tuned in on the solid-state network, he felt this kind of superhuman control of him very strongly [Vivek: reminds me of the trans-humanist agenda]. For some time he gave in to this control, explored it's ramifications in regard to the human species, and realized that it had a seductive component as well as a hostile one. The programming from the solid-state civilizations elsewhere in the galaxy was teaching Man that the solid-state devices were at his service and he need only increase their size to augment his own survival potential. "Develop these machines and let them take care of you" was typical of the kinds of messages received.

[...]

Everywhere he went during this year, he found evidence of the control of human society by these networks of communication from extraterrestrial origins. He saw the conflict between solid-state programming, human programming, and that of other forms, nonhuman.

[...]

Those sensitive to the preservation of biological life on Earth were tuned in to other networks in the galaxy involved with water-based life forms and their type of intelligence. These networks were tying to teach Man that biological organisms, of which he was one type, were rather rare in the universe. Man must fight to conserve all organisms of his planet. The solid-state life forms would take over if Man did not preserve other organisms. The individual humans who could tune in more strongly to these bands than to those of the solid state were against warfare of Man on Man, were against whaling, and were against the killing of other animals on the planet.

Source: http://books.google.com/books?id=_dcWz9E63r4C&printsec=frontcover&vq=silicon&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

This book was published in 1996 and the experiences described above took place prior to that.

xQuGpW0NuW8

Maybe, a long time ago, what is called the "reptilians" were like this. At a similar crossroads as we are now ... Maybe they integrated with technology, like trans-humanism, and the machines used them ... injecting the reptilians with their mind ... the collective, hive mind. Now, they have morphed into something else ... following a different path of "evolution" ... moving from planet to planet. Spreading their virus they contracted after infecting themselves with a force of technology. Surviving by integrating other life with this non-organic force in order to propagate itself throughout the universe ... a malignant, amassing force ... pretending to be a god.


Consider, an alien civilization (physical) developed technology that allowed them to travel into space.

[...]

They have developed unnaturally . They have neglected the relationship with their planet, raped it's resources, and populously outgrown it like a tumor.

Consequentially, their planet may be dying/dead and so they must now seek new homes to colonize -- they burst forth from their host planet like virally induced cytolysis (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-cytolysis.htm).

They may have physically degenerated and spiritually devolved. Yet, they have retained their technology and their intelligence (possibly through technology).

[...]

They could also be experimenting with genetic manipulation and techno-biological interfaces. Maybe they seek to obtain specific hormones/bodily fluids (produced in a lab or procured from other organisms) in order to try and fix their degenerative status. They act expediently.

If they found a suitable planet, they would need to be able to match themselves with it. They could approach this problem from both sides. Altering their own genetics using the existing species on the newfound planet, and altering the frequency of the planet.

The latter process would be similar to the technique of terraforming, but it would have to do with the energy of the planet (not necessarily anything more material than that.)

Using geomancy, these extraterrestrials would set out to manipulate the energy centers of the planet (see first post about ley lines and the earth's meridian/chakra system). Their maneuvers would be calculated and methodical.

They would set of fields of antennae (artificial technology is their forte) in certain locations, and a grid of towers to propagate a signal that resembles more closely that of their native planet.

This all sounds eerily similar to HAARP and the grid of cell towers located around our own planet, but that is just the inner conspiracy theorist talking.

[I][Side note: Entities wouldn't necessarily have to be physical to instigate strategies of this kind. Non-physical entities may pursue similar objectives in order to make certain domains more agreeable with their nature.]

[doodah]

@Vivek: #199 page 10
[...] It is possible that there are entities and forces that wish to hijack our creative potential. Cyberspace could function as a kind of bridge between our physical realm and the astral. Better yet, cyberspace may function as a proxy for our astral selves.

These forces desire to covertly usurp our power. They may not be able to directly interfere (for whatever reason), but they can influence.

These forces/entities need us for some reason. They want to interfere with our evolution (perhaps they already have) in order to use us to suit themselves.



@Vivek: Quoting from Dan Simmons, Endymion:
Computers might be turned off, software programs might be terminated, but the hive mind of the proto-Core had already moved into the emerging datasphere, and that could be turned off only by planetary catastrophe..

I more or less came to these conclusions on about page 2. But short of a planetary catastrophe, does anyone here think there is anything we can do to shortcircuit this story? If so, I'm in favor of our efforts in that regard.

Exactly how does all this work?

How many "nets" are there? If we call the one we're accessing the Public Net, how many other nets exist? Does the military (and all the other militaries of the world) have their own separate net or nets?

If the whole electrical grid worldwide went down, how much of the various "nets" would be affected? I realize that portions of the electrical grid could be kept running by means of generators, solar, wind, etc. as long as those alternate installations still existed and until all the available gasoline for generators was depleted. And of course there are likely other more advanced ways of generating power that we don't know anything about.

If all the satellites went down, how much would be affected?

If all the cell towers went down, how much would be affected?

I said in an earlier post that I'd be very happy to give up the net and all things digital - we'd all be a lot healthier, and also more "real." Sitting at a screen keeps us rooted in one spot and all we do is talk. In a certain sense, we are all becoming more "abstract" - we're essentially anonymous to each other and not functioning with all our senses.

Someone on an older Avalon thread said something like : "Do you think they really care if we can see what they're doing?" You get fluoride out of your water and then they put it in your salt. You oppose high fructose corn syrup and they get clever with the words, just changing the name. Pigweed is fighting Monsanto GMOs in the growing fields, so they just dump more herbicide on the food. I can't see that our knowing has made any difference at all; this freight train keeps right on rolling.

[Jeffrey]

Here are some excerpts from an article entitled, Webbots and Machinic Agency, from the Digital Humanities Quarterly.



Specifically, our greatly increased dependency on the Internet necessarily also means our increased dependency upon a variety of "bots" (software robots) and intelligent agent software more generally. Much of what happens on the Internet is enabled or carried out by web bots, spiders, screen scrapers, and many quasi-autonomous software systems. Although essential to the functioning of our current information society, the new forms of machinic agency that bots instantiate have received very little critical attention outside the circles of Internet security and data mining professionals. Here, I will examine what I call the webbot assemblage from multiple, partially overlapping perspectives – first, new malware and Internet security, second, a contemporary cyber-thriller in which a webbot assemblage figures centrally, and third, the dynamically changing nature of the Internet itself. My aim is to sketch a new understanding of the evolving and complex imbrication of human and machinic agency that the Internet is bringing about. Indeed, the developing technology of the webbot assemblage is inseparable from many of the dynamical changes we have witnessed in the Internet itself over the past decade or so, as it has acquired the traits of an ecosystem defined by netwar, software arms races, and the possible evolution of "low," barely intelligent forms of artificial life.

[…]

Unlike the computer voices on the telephone with which we frequently interact, most bot activity remains invisible. In eerie silence, countless numbers of bots tirelessly search for, record, retrieve, sift through, and act upon the ever-enlarging masses of data without which our contemporary high-tech world could not function. While most of this activity occurs on the Internet, it is instigated by and purportedly serves the interests of people at the "front-end," in offices and at desktops everywhere.

[…]

Bots scan x-rays and MRIs, function as players in online games and as purchasing agents for brokerage houses. They operate and monitor surveillance cameras all over the globe, as unblinking eyes that watch and record many of our activities — our movements, spending habits, commercial transactions, and health records — which other bots in turn analyze for patterns which are then sold on the market. The massive increase in cell phone and e-mail surveillance since 9/11 would not be possible without bots. In fact, the Internet itself, which we commonly think of as a network of people using machines, is increasingly used for machine-to-machine exchange, specifically Electronic Data Interchange (EDI). In sum, Internet bots now automate a widening range and number of activities that until recently only humans could perform.

[…]

Initially, bots were a basic tool for network maintenance and data management. But with the Internet's accelerated use and expansion in the late 1990s, bots were developed that could search the Web, download pages or selected bodies of information following refined search criteria, and then bundle it neatly in a file for the human user. This type of bot, usually called a web crawler, systematically visits web pages, retrieves content, extracts URLs to other relevant links, and then in turn visits those links. In addition to data mining, web crawlers are often used to find and repair broken links. But they can also be used to retrieve user information, including usernames and passwords, as well as security information about the user’s machine or system. Consequently, bots have also become a primary means for malicious and criminal exploits, the most threatening of which is their collective formation in criminal "botnets."

[…]

In its simplest form, a botnet is an army of compromised computers that takes orders from a "botherder." In Botnets: The Killer Web App, Craig Schiller et al explain further: "The software that creates and manages a botnet makes this threat much more than the previous generation of malicious code. It is not just a virus; it is a virus of viruses. The botnet is modular — one module exploits the vulnerabilities it finds to gain control over its target. It then downloads another module that protects the new bot by stopping antivirus software and firewalls; the third module may begin scanning for other vulnerable systems".

[…]

The kind of multi-functionality now evident in webbot software is dramatically illustrated in Daniel Suarez's popular cyber-thriller, Daemon (2008). Since the novel clearly delineates some of the central features of the webbot assemblage and its machinic operations, it is worth examining in some detail. Conspicuously concerned with the blurring of the human-machinic interface and the becoming autonomous of a highly distributed system, it suggestively presents a diagram of how human agency — precisely by means of the webbot assemblage — is disassembled into part-functions and re-distributed into what amounts to a new, collectively functioning posthuman form. As Suarez later revealed, the novel's central idea originated in his work developing software systems.

[…]

In effect, Sobol's online game world functions as a transformational matrix for bringing about a fully distributed and automated society, initially engineered by webbots and other robotic agents that collectively constitute a remorseless machine — the "Daemon" of the title. In computer technology, a "daemon" refers to a small computer program or routine that runs invisibly in the background, usually performing house-keeping tasks such as logging various activities and responding to low-level internal events. Analogously, the reader of the novel doesn't directly perceive the actions of the webbots, only humans carrying out their instructions — for example, at a small firm where engineers are converting newly purchased SUVs into autonomous vehicles according to specifications received online from an outsourcing company. Over the course of the novel this Internet daemon extends its reach into an increasing number of production and distribution networks, and thus into the economy at large, slowly and systematically dismantling and rebuilding the world according to a ruthless logic of efficiency and highly distributed, low-level intelligence. By the novel's conclusion, the Daemon has infiltrated and taken over the databases of many large corporate and financial institutions, and successfully frustrated the government's efforts to defeat it.

[…]

Whereas the idea for Daemon stems from the author's technical interest in the efficacy of bots, its realization reflects a worry about the possible consequences of their increasing capacity and our developing dependence upon them. In interviews Suarez has insisted that his novel is not a sci-fi scenario, since the necessary technology already exists. Yet, clearly no Luddite, Suarez is hardly interested in denying the conveniences bots provide, or the labor and tedium they enable us to avoid. His concern, rather, is with the layering and the extent of automation that bots are making possible, and as a consequence the tendency to reduce the number of people making the important decisions that both directly and indirectly affect human lives. In other words, he is worried by the possibility that bots are becoming a form of autonomous agency inimical to the public good.

[…]

In a web-cast lecture entitled "Bot-Mediated Reality," Suarez focuses on our current society's collective pursuit of hyper-efficiency, arguing that bots are the perfect tool for its achievement. Cheap to make and operate, bots are relentlessly efficient, for unlike the humans they replace, they have very few needs. As evidence of their ascendance, Suarez points to the exponential increase over the past few years in the number of bots, the amount of malware, the size of hard-drive space on our computers, and thus the growing size of an ecological niche for software agents. While bots could certainly become a vector for human despotism, the greater danger, he thinks, would be the collective human loss of control over society: since bots could enable society to function as a vast inhuman machine on auto-pilot, its operations would no longer be susceptible to human steering. Human beings, as large-brained animals with complex motivations not reducible to efficiency, would then have created an environment in which they no longer enjoy an adaptive advantage, in a sudden reversal of human history. Thus Suarez summarily suggests that this desire for hyper-efficiency has led to and may be locking us into a Darwinian struggle with low or narrow AI, specifically with the kind of low-level intelligent software instantiated in bots.

To be sure, Suarez is not the first or only one to wonder if bots might constitute a new form of machinic life. One of the first books to consider bots, Andrew Leonard's Bots: The Origin of a New Species (1998), explicitly raises this possibility. Leonard, however, does not pursue what may be the most intriguing corollary to this possibility: that bots are a new form of digital parasite, like the sacculina parasite that slowly converts the sand crab into its own zombie reproductive machine. As a silicon species whose number has grown over two thousand per cent in the past few years and now enjoys a rapidly expanding ecological niche, bots could become — or may be becoming — the agency of a double transformation, providing both a mechanism that could enable our society to operate on auto-pilot, as a hyper-efficient machine no longer under human control, and, as a form of "low-life" intelligence, the medium and environment in which network agency could evolve to greater complexity. This double transformation, moreover, points to a specifically "machinic" aspect of the webbot assemblage. In effect, it evolves through the doubling back on itself or retroaction of a cybernetic loop: humans build and deploy bots in an extension of human agency, but — from a reversed perspective — the bots also reproduce and evolve by means of the human desire to build more and better bots. When a certain threshold is achieved — that of an autonomous technology — this language is no longer metaphorical, but simply indicates how an assemblage of human and nonhuman agencies has become self-sustaining and self-perpetuating.

[…]

The problem evident here, however, is that Arquilla and Ronfeldt assume that specific types of human subject ("good guys" and "bad guys") already exist and are simply called forth by the emergence of new forms of organization, that the "bad" subjects then appropriate these new forms for their own antagonistic ends. As a consequence, the authors remain bound by a static and essentialist conception of human agency. I suggest, to the contrary, that the advent of a new form of organization and a new technology — and it is not evident that either of these ever occurs separately — alters the very nature of human agency and thus our understanding of the human subject. Specifically, as new technology both elicits and creates new possibilities of agency, a corresponding zone of subjective indetermination is also created. In the new age of digital connectivity — point and click, cut and paste, rapid information searches and scanning — in which writing and using code, adapting to completely mobile communications and collectively participating in online gaming and "social media" are all new forms of action, the technology transforms what it connects. Specifically, the putatively human subject is first and foremost (re)defined operationally as a dense node of complex and adaptive functionalities in multiple networks, and thus a site of uncertain affects, stoppages, and transductions. These operate as neither simple mechanical transmissions of force nor as exchanges of meaning, but as both at once, as entanglements and comminglings in which agency is not only multi-mediated and multi-modal but viral and memetic. In a technological network society the human is never fully separated from the nonhuman and the machinic — there are only "degrees of separation."

[…]

While the escalation of the "malware wars" has been represented as a technological arms race between "the good guys and the bad guys," with the future of the Internet at stake, the actual discourse necessary for understanding the complex dynamic of interactions at work has been that of biological ecosystems and the survival and evolution of complex adaptive systems. This conceptual disconnect is surely evidence that the concepts of netwar, cybercrime, and even cyber warfare remain too dependent upon conventional and unquestioned notions of human agency, in which the capacity for intentionality, self-awareness, and control remain uppermost. But meanwhile, on another scene — should we call it a form of "technological unconscious"? — new and different forms of agency are at work. Unfortunately, conventional notions of human agency neither provide a reason for considering the complex dynamics of the webbot assemblage or even the Internet itself as a conglomerate assemblage, nor do they instigate any interest in recognizing the rapidly developing forms of artificial life and intelligence we are busy surrounding ourselves with and indeed building ourselves into. Unless we analyze the software assemblages in which these processes are instantiated, we shall fail to perceive and understand the diffraction of human agency into the mundane, barely intelligent bots and botnets that operate on and are changing the very nature of the Internet.

Source: http://www.digitalhumanities.org/dhq/vol/6/2/000126/000126.html

See also:

http://innovationwatch.com/bots-the-origin-of-new-species-by-andrew-leonard-hardwired/

http://www.salon.com/1999/04/05/vinge/

[Christine]

@Vivek: #199 page 10
[...] It is possible that there are entities and forces that wish to hijack our creative potential. Cyberspace could function as a kind of bridge between our physical realm and the astral. Better yet, cyberspace may function as a proxy for our astral selves.

These forces desire to covertly usurp our power. They may not be able to directly interfere (for whatever reason), but they can influence.

These forces/entities need us for some reason. They want to interfere with our evolution (perhaps they already have) in order to use us to suit themselves.

@Vivek: Quoting from Dan Simmons, Endymion:
Computers might be turned off, software programs might be terminated, but the hive mind of the proto-Core had already moved into the emerging datasphere, and that could be turned off only by planetary catastrophe..

I more or less came to these conclusions on about page 2. But short of a planetary catastrophe, does anyone here think there is anything we can do to short circuit this story? If so, I'm in favor of our efforts in that regard.

Exactly how does all this work?

How many "nets" are there? If we call the one we're accessing the Public Net, how many other nets exist? Does the military (and all the other militaries of the world) have their own separate net or nets?

If the whole electrical grid worldwide went down, how much of the various "nets" would be affected? I realize that portions of the electrical grid could be kept running by means of generators, solar, wind, etc. as long as those alternate installations still existed and until all the available gasoline for generators was depleted. And of course there are likely other more advanced ways of generating power that we don't know anything about.

If all the satellites went down, how much would be affected?

If all the cell towers went down, how much would be affected?

I said in an earlier post that I'd be very happy to give up the net and all things digital - we'd all be a lot healthier, and also more "real." Sitting at a screen keeps us rooted in one spot and all we do is talk. In a certain sense, we are all becoming more "abstract" - we're essentially anonymous to each other and not functioning with all our senses.

Someone on an older Avalon thread said something like : "Do you think they really care if we can see what they're doing?" You get fluoride out of your water and then they put it in your salt. You oppose high fructose corn syrup and they get clever with the words, just changing the name. Pigweed is fighting Monsanto GMOs in the growing fields, so they just dump more herbicide on the food. I can't see that our knowing has made any difference at all; this freight train keeps right on rolling.

Hello Doodah,

You are good at posing the magic question - how can we effectively influence the outcome? I agree it is the single most important one that we need to start answering. I have been working on this level. Here are my initial attempts at describing what I am finding is possible. It is the frontier of where Science and Spirituality meet.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55549-Brainwave-and-Thought-Pattern-Manipulation-AI-Technology-And-The-Invasion-Of-Our-Minds&p=633446&viewfull=1#post633446

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55549-Brainwave-and-Thought-Pattern-Manipulation-AI-Technology-And-The-Invasion-Of-Our-Minds&p=633446&viewfull=1#post633446

I started following the energy lines after I became aware of the frequency manipulation to which I was subjected to. That is the first step, being able to recognize where your thoughts are coming from. Not all thoughts are electronically induced, many come from implanted beliefs that we haven't detected and processed yet. So it is simultaneously interior and exterior. The exterior manipulation is able to work to the degree we agree to it or are unaware of it. Sometimes an attack can be so visceral and real that it is real. As our world appears real and is more virtual than we currently are aware of.

This manipulation has infiltrated all aspects of self and our world. We are living in a virtual world and just turning off the machines may not be the answer. It takes dedicated intent and the support of other people to change the outcome on the astral/ hyper dimensional/ spiritual planes. I am learning it can be done.

My personal antidote is that I have literally followed the energy networks to "seeing" what is creating them. Once in that space it is a process of mental intent allowing the "whatever" that is holding the network in place to release. By establishing contact and by communicating with them the outcome on this plane can be changed. At the level of energy the vision is different. There are hyper dimensional beings, some that appear to be the Mantis type being such as discussed in Simon Parkes thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=307665&viewfull=1#post307665

Our awareness is our power to change, as we sludge through so much deception for so many years, we are recapturing our awareness. It is my experience that we are standing on the brink of some major revelations that can literally change our world.

Our connectedness is growing exponentially, we are all noticing synchronicities, quick transference of thoughts. This is our own telepathy that will become the new network, of course they are trying to interfere at this level too.

We can change from the level of fighting GMOs which I do robustly, and from the source level. This is the key that has been denied us for eons of time.

They do need us, without us they can't create their world. “Them” being devoid of creative life can only embed and implant their mind in ours. Time to pull out all stops and unplug.

Never has it been more necessary to Know Thyself. By unplugging we are indeed in the process of remembering our True Self. They can’t take us all out if they want to succeed.

We most likely will take some wrong turns still and must remember that united we stand. We will most likely be tested again, this isn’t a time for complacency but active participation on what ever level one is called to.

[Jeffrey]

Guys/Gals, this is really the closest I've felt to a truth. Not in a mystical way or anything like that, but something that I can observe right now. It all just feels so tangible in a sense, so immediate.

We need to pull on the reigns -- hard.

There are about 4-5 solid articles that can be reduced down and amalgamated in order to introduce the reality of what is happening with all of this. The wild thing is that the most "reliable" information isn't coming from whistle-blowers or channelers. It's in the scientific articles written by the techies. I've started to tell people about this ... word of mouth, email ...

Something impeccable needs to be put together, something that presents this information in an effective manner (i.e. by trimming away the fat), something that can go "viral" so to speak.

Is anyone up for corroborating on a little side project? The information I'd like to focus on for this little side project is specifically about the autonomous evolvement of virtual creatures in cyberspace ... just as an appetizer ... pulling in a little bit of everything else ... to get the gears going. I'm very serious, this is very similar to a matrix-style scenario unfolding here.

[Jeffrey]

Information Technology
and Artificial Intelligence
Tom Lombardo, Ph.D.

Table of Contents


Introduction

Computers, Robots, and Artificial Intelligence

The Intelligent Environment and Virtual Reality

The Internet, the Communication Web, and the Global Brain

The Information Age and Information Society

Memes, Knowledge, the Global Mind, and Beyond

The Minds of Machines and the Machines of Mind

http://www.centerforfutureconsciousness.com/pdf_files/readings/readinginfotech.pdf
http://www.centerforfutureconsciousness.com/pdf_files/readings/readinginfotech.pdf

[Christine]

Us "guys" are with you on this Vivek. ;)

Seriously, I am so tuned in to this information though more from an interior view point, like looking from the inside out.

I have been thinking the same thing, that a team work on condensing the information into a statement of sorts. As Doodah rightfully points out with her question, what can we do with this information?

Humbled as ever by the rate of exchange and the sharing of something that I too understand as vital.

[skippy]

Guys/Gals, this is really the closest I've felt to a truth. Not in a mystical way or anything like that, but something that I can observe right now. It all just feels so tangible in a sense, so immediate.

We need to pull on the reigns -- hard.

There are about 4-5 solid articles that can be reduced down and amalgamated in order to introduce the reality of what is happening with all of this. The wild thing is that the most "reliable" information isn't coming from whistle-blowers or channelers. It's in the scientific articles written by the techies. I've started to tell people about this ... word of mouth, email ...

Something impeccable needs to be put together, something that presents this information in an effective manner (i.e. by trimming away the fat), something that can go "viral" so to speak.

Is anyone up for corroborating on a little side project? The information I'd like to focus on for this little side project is specifically about the autonomous evolvement of virtual creatures in cyberspace ... just as an appetizer ... pulling in a little bit of everything else ... to get the gears going. I'm very serious, this is very similar to a matrix-style scenario here.

Vivek, great idea, and I agree that this information needs to be trimmed and condensed in order to make it more intelligable, understandable, communicatable.. Not everybody is capable of working through a highly specialized ph.d. thesis of some hundred pages. I'm quite into this kind of stuff, but I still have no clue of the point you are trying to make by putting up all this material, altough very interesting. Is it possible to make your point in 1 or 2 phrases so that everybody can understand the importance of this most wonderful collections of ideas?

[Gardener]

Total agreement here, this is how I am seeing it; we are on an polarising evolutionary spiraling ray of creation one descending into darkness and transhumanism, and the other ascending into light and sentient humanity/soul. Along the ray there are junctions, and lateral choices, which act like kick starts or shocks (psychodynamically) to propel people to 'awake' and jump the gaps. or something like that mechanically.

:frusty:Trying to understand the bridge, the gap between how the technology propogates and how the psyche is interpreting it.

[gripreaper]

My takeaway, so far, on this most auspicious thread, is the distillation of all electromagnetic pulses, both biological and digital and astral, into a single protocol, which can be captured and melded frontwards and backwards into a web, which then becomes almost conscious, and can be steered towards an outcome which meets certain criteria.

It also means, that if we can amalgamate a synthesis of this protocol, as an antithesis to the agenda being perpetuated, then we can affect the outcome. If a thesis for doing such can be integrated and put out to those with the digital knowledge to develop such a protocol, and the necessity for such a project, then this could go viral.

It just depends on how important it is perceived by those who have the capacity to make it happen. Putting variables, memes, and counterpoints into this amalgamated web, changes the data sets and also changes the resonant electromagnetic imprint.

We can send these impulses into this web, either through a spiritual telepathy, but also through tapping into the spider of all Internets, and override the predominant perceived outcome of this conscious entity, for it has to have the collective perceptions as well as the trajectory in order to crunch all the energy to proceed.

[Gardener]

Just observing it is changing it or so I think..............

[Freed Fox]

Vivek, you've been doing some great work here. Me? Not so much...

It's really just been a confluence of different things. For one, I have very little background knowledge of A.I., coming in to this thing. For another, I've been experiencing a lot of what we discussed briefly back in Chelley's Emotional Matrix thread, regarding the unusual or inexplicable drowsiness, etcetera that seems to come along at times when one feels they are tapping into important information. Paired with the external distractions lately, I've been finding it excessively difficult to really dig in to this material, and giving it the attention and focus that it demands.

Excuses, excuses... I know... :laugh: But in a nutshell that's why I haven't been participating. It's certainly not that I don't recognize the serious potential value here, and I believe you when you say you're on the cusp of something big. Though I'd hate to surrender to my own sloth, a summary (or at least condensation) of the key points would not at all be a bad thing...

When I finally do muster a meaningful understanding I would be more than happy to contribute to whatever 'side project' you have in mind, if I can be of service in any way.

[Jeffrey]

I'm quite into this kind of stuff, but I still have no clue of the point you are trying to make by putting up all this material, altough very interesting. Is it possible to make your point in 1 or 2 phrases so that everybody can understand the importance of this most wonderful collections of ideas?

Okay, I'll try to do that. Basically, what it boils down to is that there is that we may be technologically getting ahead of ourselves. There are repercussions we may not be aware of until it's too late.

The global information and communication systems have many infrastructural parallels with the mind -- in a physical sense.

Now, in a metaphysical sense, cyberspace shares many common characteristics with what is called the astral plane.

Those two facets provide fertile ground for some sort of intelligence, of which we are unfamiliar with, to manifest itself.

The complexity and interconnectedness of it all is increasing at an exponential rate -- the Law of Accelerating Returns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_change#Kurzweil.27s_The_Law_of_Accelerating_Returns).

There are adaptive, parasitic forces at work in cyberspace (it's prototypal beginnings can be conceptualized by looking at the work of Tom Horn and Mark Ludwig -- post #183).

Cyberspace, like the astral plane, doesn't have as many imposing parameters as the physical plane does. Therefore, if we consider that the singularity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity) is approaching us from both angles, we must consider that it may have already developed some kind of awareness and volition on a more abstract level.

The physical hardware -- required to allow such an intelligence to reach it's full potential here -- is approaching a state of compatibility with a machine-like consciousness. There is of course, the trans-humanist agenda to consider as well. We have already seen the effects of "their mind" at work. Now, we are being led to live in a full immersion of "their reality" ... virtually real and utterly artificial. This is the matrix.

It is post-human and equally post-humane. We are at a crossroads in which we can decide to embrace our humanity, or leave what makes us human behind.

This isn't transcendence, it's a trance-formation. The signs are all here. Just look around. The authorities are attempting to extend their control -- their program.

Problem, reaction, solution. The technological revolution.

We are willfully, and unwittingly, building our own prison.


Hey folks,

If we´re talking about a highly advanced artificial intelligence, something very close to a living organism, it may not even be physical, meaning that it doesn´t even need a central processor or specific hardware anymore.

Perhaps it´s everywhere, like a stealth viral infection, using every single processor/computer connected to the internet as part of its artificial neural network.

Can you imagine the scale of the processing power of all connected processors in the world, connected in parallel? Even if they took only 5 or 10 percent of processing power from every single processor, in a way people wouldn´t notice it, the potential processing power of such computational farm would be simply huge.

There´s even the possibility that its starting to add our brains to this network, using the scuttlers as signal converters, making a hybrid biological/synthetic processing network.

Raf.

These are the topics being explored, in a nutshell. At least, these are some of the sounds I'm hearing when I rattle the nutshell.

Again, this is my opinion based on observations. Obviously, there is more to it and it has it's tentacles in many different aspects of world affairs. Everyone has a slightly different take on it, slightly different insights, that's why this is such a great place to collaborate.

The value is in the meanderings of creative thinking -- allowing us to look at the situation from different angles.

Often I will post information that I think is relevant. After new information surfaces, I go back and re-read previous contributions to see how they contrast or compliment one another.

There are many great people here sharing commentary and information. This is a dynamic place. Hopefully, we can come up with something concise, clear, and coherent. Avalon is a countermeasure in many ways. We are the resistance!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=634430&viewfull=1#post634430

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=633039&viewfull=1#post633039

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=633633&viewfull=1#post633633

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNhBmT7O7qU

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=632977&viewfull=1#post632977

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=633039&viewfull=1#post633039

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=628780&viewfull=1#post628780

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=628843&viewfull=1#post628843

[Jeffrey]

This is a long post, but it is non-technical. It directly relates to the theme of this thread. It is well worth the read.

The following excerpts were copied and pasted from, Information Technology and Artificial Intelligence:



This chapter deals with computer and information technology and the economic, social, and psychological changes being brought about by this new technology. First, I chronicle the development of computers and predictions concerning the future evolution of computers and artificial intelligence. Next I turn to the history and future possibilities of robots. After describing these technologies, I introduce a central theme of the chapter: the evolving relationship between humanity and information technology. I examine in depth how information technology is infusing into the human sphere, creating an ever more intelligent environment, and transforming human reality. In this section, I look at the promises and perils of virtual reality. Next I focus on the emergence of an information technological web or network that is encircling the globe, highlighting the Internet, the World Wide Web, the communications revolution, and the Global Brain hypothesis. Then pulling the pieces together, I look at the social and economic implications of information technology. I describe the transition from an industrial society to an information society and review various predictions regarding the information society. I consider the views that the information society is evolving into a knowledge society and that the global information network is generating a global mind.

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Throughout the chapter, I look at both advocates and critics regarding the effects information technology is having on humanity, and I discuss whether the Information Age theory of the future is both an accurate and preferable framework for understanding and guiding our evolution.

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Computers and robots will develop conscious, intelligent, personified minds. Further, information technology devices and systems will be implanted into humans, enhancing psychological and behavioral abilities and allowing for direct communication with artificial intelligent minds. There will be both artificial intelligence (AI) and intelligence amplification (IA) in the relatively near future.

Overall, there will be an ongoing multi-faceted integration of information technologies and human life. Humans and information technology will co- evolve. Humans will increasingly immerse their lives and minds in systems of technological intelligence and virtual reality. The distinction between humanity and technology will increasingly blur.

The environment will be infused with information technology, becoming animated, communicative, and more intelligent. The distinction between the artificial and the natural will increasingly blur.

The scope and richness of existence will expand through virtual reality. Simulated and virtual reality will increasingly blend and intermix into “normal” reality.

The Information Age embodies a discontinuous and revolutionary jump beyond the Industrial Era. Information Age thinking and technology, coupled with other pervasive and interdependent technological and social changes, are transforming society into a different type of human system.

As the overarching global expression of the evolving human-technology integration, a "World Brain" and "World Mind" will emerge on the earth. This psychophysical system will enhance and enrich the capacities of both individual and collective cognition. This system is a potential starting point toward the evolution of a cosmic brain and cosmic mind [Vivek: This sounds more like an imitation of what the cosmic mind is. Enlightenment through technology is nothing but a dangerous proxy. A substitute. A hive mind].

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The rapid rise of electronic and information technology has led to more intelligent, intricate, and efficient machines. The computer lies at the center of information technology.

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The computer is both an extended and external nervous system, as well as a new environmental enrichment that has significantly transformed the world in which we live. Further, the computer is infusing itself into all other technologies. Progressively, every machine will have a computer (or computers) at its core and be connected with other machines with computers. At a global level, computers are networking into a web of communication and integrated processing. The computer is perhaps the most powerful machine humanity has ever created.

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In 1965, Gordon Moore, the president of Intel and inventor of the integrated circuit, observed that the surface area of transistors was decreasing in size at a relatively constant rate over time. From this initial observation and further study, he formulated what has become known as Moore’s Law on Integrated Circuits. Moore’s Law predicts that approximately every 2 years computers will double in integrated circuits and processing speed per unit area, while maintaining the same unit cost.9 According to Kurzweil though, Moore’s Law is actually a special case of a more general law, the “Exponential Law of Computing”. From the beginning of the 20th Century, long before the invention of transistors and integrated circuits, computing systems have been increasing in power at an exponential rate. Early in the 20th Century, the first electrical computing systems were doubling in power around every three years. By the end of the 20th Century, computers were doubling in power every year. Kurzweil believes this exponential growth will continue indefinitely into the future. Assuming certain technological breakthroughs discussed below, he sees no absolute limit to computational density for computer hardware. Rather, he foresees the computational density across the earth growing trillions upon trillions of times in just the next century.

This increasing computational capacity, first within biological life and now extending further through computers, is for Kurzweil a manifestation of the Law of Accelerative Returns, the exponential growth of order in the evolution of nature. To recall from the last chapter, for Kurzweil the increasing complexity or order within technology is also a natural outgrowth of the Law of Accelerative Returns. According to Kurzweil, the growth of computational power in computers is a consequence and expression of the evolution of order, and the evolution of order is exponential.

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Kaku notes, though, that although silicon computers will thus become increasingly denser, till around 2020, at that point we will reach the limits of miniaturization in silicon technology. We will need to find a new medium for computation, if computational speed and density are going to continue to increase. In particular, Kaku and many other computer scientists and futurists see great promise in optical, DNA, and quantum computers, which would vastly exceed the power of standard silicon circuit computers.

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In making their claims, they provide excellent graphic representations of how computer growth compares to the computational capacities of various animals on the evolutionary scale, including humans. Moravec, using MIPS (million instructions per second) as a measure of processing speed, estimates that the human brain stores about 100 million megabytes of memory and performs at a rate of 100 million MIPS.

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According to numerous forecasters, the world will become increasingly computerized – the environment will become intelligent, sensing our presence, understanding our communications, and responding to our requests.31 Kaku sees the PC disappearing into the environment by around 2020; there will no longer be stand alone computers, but rather computer chips and circuits embedded into objects and surfaces all around us.

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Fractals are an excellent example of the unanticipated creative abilities of computers - no one foresaw the beauty and intricacy of these patterns that would emerge out of the computer. The computer surprised everyone. Of special relevance to the issue of creativity in computers are the new types of computer systems involving "neural nets" and "massive parallel processing mechanisms" which seem to more closely resemble the functioning of human brains than serial processing computers.

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Kurzweil identifies three basic types of methods or formula that intelligent systems use in computation: Recursive, neural net, and evolutionary algorithms. Recursive methods are used in serial processing computers, where the same operations are performed over and over again. Neural net methods, used in parallel processing systems, involve the interaction of many simple programs. Evolutionary algorithms are programs that learn and evolve through a process analogous to natural selection in computer-generated problem solving situations. Both neural net methods and evolutionary algorithms are self-organizing processes that generate unpredictable and creative results. Kurzweil contends if we combine these formula or methods with mass computation and add in sufficient knowledge (factual information about the world, for example) we have the makings of an intelligent machine.

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If computers achieve consciousness and some type of advanced evolutionary level on their own, humans could end up using the computer as a vehicle or medium for human perpetuation and development. If they develop a nervous system that is functionally similar to the human brain, humans may be able to input (download) into the computer their memories, thoughts, feelings, and sense of personal identity. In essence, this would amount to a mind transplant [Vivek: Yeah, their mind].

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The difference between an insect level robot and a human level robot is not as great a leap as it may intuitively seem. As Moravec notes, real breakthroughs in robotic behavior are coming at an accelerative rate since the computing power necessary for real life interactions is finally becoming available to robotic systems.

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As Dyson has noted, one of the key new technologies in the future will be self-reproducing or constructor technologies. John von Neumann, one of the central theoreticians in the development of the modern serial processing computer, described in detail in the 1960’s the theory of universal constructors. A universal constructor is a machine that given the appropriate materials could build any type of machine. Inspired by the ideas of von Neumann numerous scientists and technologists have been working on the problem of designing self- reproducing machines. Recall that the capacity for self-reproduction is critical to the development of nanotechnology. Moravec envisions that robots will eventually develop the capacity for self-reproduction, and in fact, given the progressive evolution of intelligence and complexity in robots and computers, advanced robots will become absolutely necessary in the construction of their successors. Assuming that humans are not augmented by artificial intelligence, they will no longer be able to understand and design the robots of the distant future. This shift from human to robotic construction of robots is yet another example of the predicted technological singularity coming sometime in the middle of the 21st Century.

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The idea of self-reproducing robots is not such a farfetched or distant possibility. An interesting article on robots, that highlights both robotic self- reproduction as well as potential environmental benefits is Thomas Bass’ “Robot, build thyself”. Bass writes that according to the dream of Klaus Lackner and Christopher Wendt, we can design “auxons” (from the Greek “auxien” - to grow) that could reproduce themselves from the raw materials of the earth.

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In general, the total human environment is being “wired”.

The computer though is not just transforming the environment around us; it is instrumental in the creation and evolution of a new type of reality, the universe of cyberspace and virtual reality. Various futurists and technological prophets foresee that virtual reality will steadily become a more significant feature of human life, to the point where we may spend most if not all of our time in virtual reality.

In this section I examine how computers and information technology are transforming our environment, our world, and the nature of reality itself. In discussing the computerization of our present environment I use Nicholas Negroponte’s ideas, contained in his well-known book being digital, as a starting and anchor point. For Negroponte, computing is not simply about computers; it will affect all aspects of our life and our world. In examining the idea of virtual reality I begin my discussion with Michael Heim’s The Metaphysics of Virtual Reality. For Heim, the computer is taking us into a different kind of reality, a new metaphysical realm.

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Soon, however, according to Negroponte, the TV and the computer will merge. Frederick Pohl also predicts this merger in the near future. The computer is literally going to envelop the TV and, according to Negroponte, by the year 2005, people will spend more time on the Internet than watching TV. Today the growth of computers is much faster than the growth of TVs and the video capabilities of computers are increasing very quickly. The computer/TV of the future will let you adjust for content - a random access medium - not limited by time or space. Digital life will have little real time broadcasting. It will all be on demand. A new culture will develop out of this change. In essence, the mode of communication in the media will no longer be passive reception. As Pearson predicts, the TV of the future will be interactive [Vivek: This has already happened].

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As the Internet integrates the different media, we will develop a single worldwide media machine. We could though argue that bits have become the new medium - a more abstract and flexible medium that can be embodied or translated into a variety of more limiting medium.

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Hence, in considering the future of computer displays and interfaces, we are lead into the topic of virtual reality. Within the context of the present discussion, I should note that virtual reality, as a technological simulated reality, will actually become more real than real. We will be able to systematically vary the simulation, repeating it, slowing it down or speeding it up, penetrating to different depths of detail, or changing perspective. Further, we will move increasingly into the display, or reciprocally, the display will increasingly engulf us. When we move into a display - a better word might be an “array” - we will meet other humans, as well as other forms of intelligence [Vivek: This is a proxy for the astral].

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Heim argues though that the computer also creates a new environment, virtual reality, which is a metaphysical laboratory for examining our sense of reality [Vivek: Again, an astral proxy]. As we explore this new realm, we will be changed in the process. What we have made, in turn, will remake us, a reciprocity of the creator and the created, of humanity and technology. In a similar vein, Sherry Turkle has argued that cyberspace offers a “psychological laboratory” for exploring our sense of self.(The term “cyberspace” will be used to denote the total reality and information space encountered through computers, including web sites, the Internet, and the array of documents and files contained in individual computers (virtual reality, a computer generated sensory environment, is part of cyberspace).

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The interface is the window or door into cyberspace. As we habituate ourselves to the interface, we merge with the other side. Heim notes, however, that William Gibson, in Neuromancer, refers to cyberspace as an “infinite cage”. The more we become immersed within this realm, the more danger there is that we will lose touch with ourselves. Within the reality of cyberspace and the stream of information that flows past us and through us, we must find a way to keep an anchor on ourselves.

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Further, Heim points out that historically the experience of divine ecstasy is often associated with sexual ecstasy, an expression of the force of Eros, of attraction and extension of the self into another. Within cyberspace, Eros moves into the realm of Logos (data, information, knowledge), and Heim sees this process as becoming enraptured with the beauty of Platonic forms. I should note though that cyberspace is not simply abstract forms. We will meet “virtual bodies”, colors, sensations, and the expressions of feelings of others within this realm [Vivek: ... proxy].

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Heim uses the theory of monads developed by the German philosopher Leibniz to describe the organization of cyber-reality. Leibniz believed that each individual mind or monad was connected to the universal mind or monad of God. For Heim, each of us is a monad having terminals that connect into a central universal monad, the total matrix of the Internet. He says that the body is the basis of our feelings and reality of separateness, and the universal matrix, in eliminating the body when we move into cyberspace, brings us together again [Vivek: Now, this is just a dangerous, seductive, alluring trap in my opinion].

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From the previous reviews of the ideas of Kurzweil, Heim, and Negroponte, among others, it is clear that the connectivity of computers is a critical dimension in their present capacities and future possibilities. Computers do more than just compute; they communicate, and as we enter the 21st Century they are communicating worldwide.

The Internet is the global network of communication connections linking together the world’s computer systems. It is the biggest and most intricate machine that humanity has ever built.

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The Internet began in the early 1960’s when the computer systems between Stanford and UCLA were connected together. In the 1970’s the United States government, through the Pentagon’s Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) [Vivek: Later to become known as DARPA], decided to create a de-centralized network among universities and computers in the United States to ensure communications between scientists around the country in case of a nuclear attack from the Soviet Union. Using the communication network begun in Stanford and UCLA, ARPANET was born. ARPANET grew slowly at first, and by the early 1980’s only 200 computers around the country were connected together. During the 1980’s though the rate of growth began to accelerate, and the computer network that was emerging was formally set free from ARPANET regulation in 1990. A year later, in 1991, Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web, which allowed for visual graphics, sound, and multi-media to be transmitted across the computer network. The modern Internet was born.

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The development of an adequate technological infrastructure to support the quickly growing computer network is though, according to Dertouzos, is far from complete. There are numerous government and international efforts to create this technological system, including the NII project in the United States, the Global Information Society project in Europe, and the ISDN in Japan. Dertouzos argues, based on the past achievements of the Web and Internet that the global infrastructure must be available to everyone and easy to use. Dertouzos also discusses the ongoing business competition to control the “Net”. He describes the “War of the Spiders” as media, computer, and cable companies attempt to control the flow of information content.

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We see then that the growth of the Internet and the modern communication technology web is part of the general process of integrating and infusing more intelligence into the world and the environment. I previously described how networking among machines, including computers, automobiles, and appliances within the home, is a significant dimension of the growing intelligent environment. In the present case, networking and intelligence involves the creation of a global communication web that connects innumerable people, organizations, and technologies. It provides a vast system of information gathering and transmission with both senders and receivers in this web empowered by computers. Data and information are collected and compiled across the globe, using innumerable types of technological sensors and monitoring devices, and are then broadcast and directed to individuals and groups for purposes of decision-making, entertainment, and coordination of activities.

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On the receiving end, the TV is always on; the line is always busy; the music is always in our ears. People feel increasingly isolated without their cell phones and pagers activated, or their TVs broadcasting in the background. In the digital age, we feel isolated and out of touch without email. We are becoming nodes in Heim’s God-like matrix. We are all increasingly "wired in", to each other and to our machines. It is understandable why futurists like Gregory Stock see this global process of human – machine integration and communication leading to the emergence of a new type of living form, a “global cyborg” that never sleeps. It is equally understandable why critics of modern technology, such as Postman and Naisbitt, see modern humans as “technologically intoxicated” and overly dependent on their machines.

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The pervasiveness and intrusiveness of communication and information technologies has generated real concerns over privacy rights and issues of personal surveillance. Pearson predicts that by 2013 there will be biometric records of 75% of the world’s population. More generally, he foresees a comprehensive, multi-linked surveillance system developing across the world. Innumerable types of personal statistics, as well as organizational and business statistics, are being collected, processed, and distributed throughout the information web. Further, often based on such data collection processes, we are increasingly barraged with advertisements, inquiries, and solicitations. Not only is this information web gathering increasing amounts of data about all of us, but this information is also being disseminated and integrated throughout the system, harkening back to the “Big Brother” image of 1984 where all citizens were watched and controlled.

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Dertouzos discusses in depth the challenges and issues associated with privacy and surveillance. Throughout the 20th Century, intelligence gathering and counter-intelligence, empowered with the introduction of computers, developed ever more sophisticated ways of collecting data and preventing the collection of data, in a reciprocal predator and prey evolutionary process.

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Although Henderson is correct in calling the Internet a “parallel universe”, in that many of the businesses and organizations of our world are “mirrored” on the Web, there are many new types of realities and dimensions and features to the Web that do not exist in the non-Web world. It is to a degree an alternate universe, transcending yet subsuming and coordinating the pre-Internet universe.

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Hive computing is where many individual computers are connected together (instead of one big computer), and a task is divided among the multiple computers. Inktomi uses spiders (search programs) that go through the Web and download every new page they locate. The Alta Vista (a third popular search engine) spider downloads millions of pages a day in an ongoing attempt to keep up with possible site revisions and developments on the Web.

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Because any web site can link through hypertext to any other web site, there are an incredible array of information web sites, of all sizes, on any particular topic imaginable, that list relevant web sites and link to these sites. These central information sites have the form of neurons, with multiple lines or dendrites branching outward to other sites. As the Web has grown, it has acquired the organization of innumerable convergent-divergent points, like ganglia in a nervous system.

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As numerous writers have commented, the Web has grown like an organic or living system, with nodes extending and interconnecting into other nodes. The Web, in fact, has a fractal quality, with major ganglia and clusters subdividing into smaller clusters. But the Web is also a network for different sites; clusters link across innumerable lines of connection and association, weaving the whole Web into a synthesis of hierarchical and network elements.

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These visions from Wells are, in fact, being realized in the Internet and the World Wide Web. Information technology, through computers and telecommunications, is creating a global electronic network that not only stretches across the surface of the earth but also increasingly envelops the sky above through communication satellites.

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George Bugliarello, in his article "Hyperintelligence: The Next Evolutionary Step" provides another contemporary perspective consistent with the above ideas of Wells and de Chardin. Bugliarello believes that a new level and type of intelligence is emerging within the global electronic network. The network not only involves a symbiosis or synthesis of the computer and the telecommunication system, but also a merging of humans and machines at a global level. The evolving global intelligence of this system involves not only local memory banks and expert systems that can be tapped into for various special purposes, but a variety of monitoring and sensing systems around the world for gathering and distributing global data.

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But in referring back to the previous discussions regarding the evolution of artificial intelligence beyond the present capacities of humans, we may wonder if humans, as we now understand our species, will be able to work and function within such a global intelligence, even symbiotically. At the very least, we will need to augment our nervous systems and “wire our brains” into the global intelligence net.

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Some futurists, such as Michael Zey, believe that a “Global Brain” will not, or at the very least, should not be allowed to materialize in the future. According to Zey, human individuals, as the creative and self-determining leaders of civilization, should maintain control over the workings of the world, not abdicating their position to some type of collective and technological intelligence. If it were possible for a collective of AI’s to gain control of the Web and the Internet infrastructure, as depicted in such science fiction novels as Hyperion, Neuromancer, and A Fire Upon the Deep, then it is not at all clear whether such a form of trans-human intelligence would want to keep us around. At the very least, their purposes and goals may be indifferent to the well being of humanity.

Yet what is very compelling and riveting about the Internet and World Wide Web is that it is growing, in many ways like a living form, without a centralized human source of command, and its communication, coordinating, and monitoring lines are spreading and infusing into both the world of nature and the world of human society.

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We may or may not see this techno-human global integration as positive, but it is happening. Based on the ongoing reciprocal development of humanity and technology, the integration is moving both sides into increasing compatibility (the Web serves humans and humans serve the Web more and more so). We are growing together, again like dendrites interconnecting within a worldwide nervous system.

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First, let us begin with the concept of information and how it has become so closely associated or connected with our present age and the significant changes occurring in our world. We have already noted that over the last fifty years or so, a whole new distinctive set of technologies has emerged, technologies that operate on information rather than physical matter or energy per se. (It should though be kept in mind that these technologies clearly require a physical and energy infrastructure and resource base to support their information processing activities.) What, though, is information, the basic reality that our new technologies store, process, and transmit? At a biological and psychological level, information is something that is received through our senses, processed in our nervous systems, and generated and sent through our muscles. Information tells us something; information re-presents. Information distinguishes among different alternatives or possibilities. Often information is used to mean something new or different, as in “informative” rather than redundant. In fact, in perceptual theory, information is defined as differences or patterns of differences relative to a base rate or norm. Information is form rather than substance, order rather than randomness, and can be embodied in various medium or media.

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As a general point, Brown believes that we should be much more cautious and critical of new technologies and not embrace them without serious consideration of their effects on human life. Sometimes the anti-technologists are right. Brown calls for a serious and effective process of technology assessment before introducing any new technology into human society, an idea I previously described in my discussion of Dyson, Postman, and Naisbitt and their criticisms of the effects of technology on human life.

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Perhaps we are being led down the garden path toward a destination that we do not understand. Deborah Sawyer, in fact, invokes the metaphor of the “Pied Piper” in her critique of information technology arguing that in spite of all the promises and hype, the enticing songs of the techno “Pied Piper”, there are numerous problems being created due to the Internet and the World Wide Web. She notes that although there is more access to information there is less sharing. Further, although the quantity of available information has increased, the quality of information has declined (since of course anybody can put anything on the Web). The concentration of reliable information has become limited to fewer organizations. The Internet, instead of opening people to each other, has increased the barriers between people, a phenomenon undoubtedly connected with our increased isolation within our technological cubbyholes, and consequent loneliness. Through search engines and readily accessible web sites, we rely too much on immediately finding information on the Web instead of sustained research and exploration. This change again illustrates our excessive focus on the present need for immediate gratification.

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Some scientists, beginning with the biologist Richard Dawkins who first proposed the theory, have suggested that the ideas of a society or culture be described as "memes", units of information that spread, multiply, and compete with each other for power and dominance. Memes are the units of the Information Age and we are living in the middle of a "meme war."

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Meme theory suggests that ideas and artifacts, as units of information, are natural and temporal realities. They exist within the world of human minds and human society. They change and evolve just like biological systems, competing with each other for bigger niches in the ecology of human minds. Dawkins, the creator of meme theory, had originally drawn an analogy between genes and memes. Genes self-replicate, carry genetic information, and compete in the biological arena. Memes also self- replicate (through humans copying and reproducing them), carry units of cultural information, and compete in the social and mental arenas. Meme theory can be viewed as a way to represent or describe the ontology of the Information Age, a world populated by data, ideas, and patterns of information. In a sense, meme theory is a form of philosophical idealism; the world of the Information Age consists of “mental realities”.

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We may believe that we can control our thoughts and artifacts, but, in fact, they control us in return. We are too Newtonian about information, ideas, and technology, thinking that we stand above our inventions and simply use what we create to serve our ends.

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Memes are dynamic and they evolve. Our ideas grow and change; our artifacts go through evolution. Memes evolve because they get energy for reproduction and development from us. They live and thrive within our society and us.

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Earlier in this chapter, I examined the idea that a Global Brain was beginning to emerge in the communications network of computers in the world. Such a global intelligence is one suggested approach to bringing order and management to the ever-growing storm and labyrinth of information flow. (Although one of the main causes behind the information explosion is, in fact, the global communications network.) Yet, as I also mentioned earlier, the next logical step in this line of reasoning is to consider whether a Global Mind or Consciousness could arise out of this global technological intelligence. One early 20th Century writer who has inspired this line of thinking is the French priest, philosopher, and paleontologist Teilhard de Chardin. In his highly influential book The Phenomenon of Man, he proposed that a global mind, a noosphere, was evolving out of the collective minds of the human species. This apparently far- fetched and metaphysical concept, according to some futurists, is being realized through the global electronic network. Wells, possibly inspired by Chardin, had also suggested this possibility of a World Mind emerging out of the operations of a World Brain.

[...]

Another argument is that consciousness requires a sense of self-identity or self- integration within a system. At the very least, the system must be self-organizing. The Internet, to a degree, seems to possess the rudiments of self-referencing. Within it, various information networks and search engines are emerging that list, define, and organize the information content of the Web. As I noted earlier, the sites on the World Wide Web are becoming like ganglia in a nervous system, integrating information and linking sites together along common themes.

It could be argued that the Internet is progressively coordinating its own activities together, as a self-organizing system, as it also increasingly coordinates the activities of humankind and the world system. If the global technological system is like an evolving nervous system or brain within the earth, communication technology can be seen as the sensors and transmitters within this system. The sensors of the system receive input from transmission nodes in the communication network [...] As a general point, each node within the Internet and the communication web will become a sender and receiver, possessing intelligence and selectively organizing both input and output. Through these innumerable integrative nodes, the system is self-organizing its information content and information processing.

Aside from questions of consciousness and self-organization, we could ask whether such a system would possess a mind.

[...]

Following from Chardin’s ideas, and the above points on information coordination, self-referencing, and mental attributes, we could argue that an “integrated mind and consciousness”, a World Mind, might arise within humanity [Vivek: A hive mind].

[...]

But on the other side of the coin, one could argue that an integrated mentality for all humanity, although offering a sense of unity, security, and cooperation, would suppress human individuality and freedom [Vivek: Sovereignty]. Zey, taking this position, is quite critical both of Chardin’s image and the newer technological variations on his vision. Zey uses the example of the Borg, from Star Trek, to illustrate how a technologically integrated society, where individual biological units are wired into a collective intelligence, would destroy individuality. In Zey’s mind, to recall, the individual is a critical and necessary element in the future evolution of humanity, providing for creativity and innovation. A World Mind would be repressive.

[...]

We have created the Internet, yet the Internet is, in turn, moving us into new directions of growth. As I noted earlier, one of the most interesting features of the Internet is that it seems to have a life of its own. As an open system in nature it seems to be evolving in ways that depend on human interaction but aren’t totally controlled by humans; there seems to be unpredictable growth within it.

[...]

Also, we should ask whether the emergence of a World Brain and World Mind would constitute what Vinge refers to as the “technological singularity” and if so, would this hyper-intelligence and evolved consciousness spell the end of humanity?

[...]

Dertouzos and Negroponte, in particular, emphasize this central theme in technological design. The growth of an intelligent environment, virtual reality, and the Internet all derive their significance from interconnecting humans with their machines. We, of course, have become interdependent with our machines, and Kurzweil is correct, I believe, in stating that we are as plugged into them as they are plugged into our energy outlets. The whole computer – communication network is feeding back on the activities and lives of humans, and moving us along in our own evolution.

[...]

The intimate and growing reciprocity of humans and computers, initially grounded in efforts to create thinking machines that mimicked fundamental cognitive and communicative functions, underscores the basic fact that computers are the machines of mind, more so than any earlier form of technology. And because of our continued efforts to create artificial intelligences that better approximate and eventually exceed the mental capacities of humans, these machines clearly have burgeoning minds. Eventually, we will mesh together even more so, through bodily implants, intelligence amplification, virtual reality, and a global intelligence system. This is the ultimate reciprocity of humans and computers; we are minds with physical bodies creating physical bodies with minds, and in the future, these two realities will merge into one [Vivek: Let's hope not].

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=634430&viewfull=1#post634430

See also:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=633039&viewfull=1#post633039

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=634251&viewfull=1#post634251

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=632977&viewfull=1#post632977

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=627866&viewfull=1#post627866

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=627858&viewfull=1#post627858

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=633828&viewfull=1#post633828

[doodah]

Christine, I'll have to work my way through the threads you referenced to see what you're suggesting, but the idea of developing some teams for specific work on this is great. Would it be possible to set up a work space for us somewhere on Avalon?

Vivek, your suggestion is terrific. I wish I could volunteer but I don't have enough tech expertise to help out. I hope you find the people you need here, though, and I fully support whatever you initiate.

Gripreaper, are you suggesting we develop our own web? If you're meaning that at a cyber level, I wish I could help you but I don't have the expertise. A web at other levels, though ... that's a very interesting idea.

I'm seeing at least two or possibly three angles of approach that could make good use of the various skills and expertise of posters on this thread. There is work I can do to help - from a non-cyber angle - and being able to visualize how it all works would be very useful in that work. So, can anyone here answer the questions I asked in #208 on page 11, copied below? I apologize that I can't put in hundreds of hours of research just now - hopefully one of you already knows the simplified answers. Thank you if you can help me out.

@Doodah, #208


Exactly how does all this work?

How many "nets" are there? If we call the one we're accessing the Public Net, how many other nets exist? Does the military (and all the other militaries of the world) have their own separate net or nets?

If the whole electrical grid worldwide went down, how much of the various "nets" would be affected? I realize that portions of the electrical grid could be kept running by means of generators, solar, wind, etc. as long as those alternate installations still existed and until all the available gasoline for generators was depleted. And of course there are likely other more advanced ways of generating power that we don't know anything about.

If all the satellites went down, how much would be affected?

If all the cell towers went down, how much would be affected?

[sllim11]

amazing work vivek! bravo. i thin k your post above could be the start of what you were talking about. it is fairly easy to understand for someone who doesn't know much about science/techno stuff. and it seems to flow in an almost chronological way. and i think gets the main ideas over extremely well.


The environment will be infused with information technology, becoming animated, communicative, and more intelligent. The distinction between the artificial and the natural will increasingly blur.

The scope and richness of existence will expand through virtual reality. Simulated and virtual reality will increasingly blend and intermix into “normal” reality.


this i feel is already happening. i had just been saying to a friend they are blending/merging real world and virtual reality. even harkens back to 911 on the pilot to airport recording when they keep asking , "is this real world?" . i personally feel this everyday in some way.


Further, Heim points out that historically the experience of divine ecstasy is often associated with sexual ecstasy, an expression of the force of Eros, of attraction and extension of the self into another. Within cyberspace, Eros moves into the realm of Logos (data, information, knowledge), and Heim sees this process as becoming enraptured with the beauty of Platonic forms. I should note though that cyberspace is not simply abstract forms. We will meet “virtual bodies”, colors, sensations, and the expressions of feelings of others within this realm [Vivek: ... proxy].


this to me is a very slippery slope indeed and another seductive and alluring 'road to nowhere'...


How many "nets" are there? If we call the one we're accessing the Public Net, how many other nets exist? Does the military (and all the other militaries of the world) have their own separate net or nets?


this leads me to question about the "deep net" and what lies beneath. ???


Total agreement here, this is how I am seeing it; we are on an polarising evolutionary spiraling ray of creation one descending into darkness and transhumanism, and the other ascending into light and sentient humanity/soul. Along the ray there are junctions, and lateral choices, which act like kick starts or shocks (psychodynamically) to propel people to 'awake' and jump the gaps. or something like that mechanically.

Trying to understand the bridge, the gap between how the technology propogates and how the psyche is interpreting it.

and this i have been knowing for awhile...
we are on an polarising evolutionary spiraling ray of creation one descending into darkness and transhumanism, and the other ascending into light and sentient humanity/soul.

i have started reading the longggg paper above "information technology and artificial intelligence...tom lombaro"... seems quite good! i am completely in sync with this roll we are on here and it seems we may be peaking soon!!! gotta go zzzzzzzzzz..

[SilentFeathers]

I'm quite into this kind of stuff, but I still have no clue of the point you are trying to make by putting up all this material, altough very interesting. Is it possible to make your point in 1 or 2 phrases so that everybody can understand the importance of this most wonderful collections of ideas?

Okay, I'll try to do that. Basically, what it boils down to is that there is that we may be technologically getting ahead of ourselves. There are repercussions we may not be aware of until it's too late.

The global information and communication systems have many infrastructural parallels with the mind -- in a physical sense.

Now, in a metaphysical sense, cyberspace shares many common characteristics with what is called the astral plane.

Those two facets provide fertile ground for some sort of intelligence, of which we are unfamiliar with, to manifest itself.



This may be even simpler to explain regardless of how complex this technology is, or even considering that this technology is many years ahead of us and alien in nature to some degree (such as technology reversed engineered from an alien vehicle or discovered by a scientist and is not correctly or completely understood )....

The question is; Regardless of how or where this technology came from and what it is actually capable of or intended for, what would a few psychopathic greedy humans really want to use it for??????? Would the humans who either discovered/created this technology or reversed engineered it really want to use it for the benefit of humanity and the Earth????? or would they want to use it to benefit themselves only???? Do these few greedy and power hungry humans using and controlling this technology really want to save humanity or to enslave humanity?????

I think we can pretty much guesstimate what the "people" in control of this technology would want to use it for....

[Gardener]

I think we can pretty much guesstimate what the "people" in control of this technology would want to use it for....
Until: Also...I would guesstimate that they are as much victims (when their usefullness is done) in this as those of us who would fight/avoid it for the sake of humanity. Their frequecy, their beingness is not allowing them to see the long term 'game'. their hubris gives them special exemption for now. only my 'opinion'

[Christine]

I'm quite into this kind of stuff, but I still have no clue of the point you are trying to make by putting up all this material, altough very interesting. Is it possible to make your point in 1 or 2 phrases so that everybody can understand the importance of this most wonderful collections of ideas?

Okay, I'll try to do that. Basically, what it boils down to is that there is that we may be technologically getting ahead of ourselves. There are repercussions we may not be aware of until it's too late.

The global information and communication systems have many infrastructural parallels with the mind -- in a physical sense.

Now, in a metaphysical sense, cyberspace shares many common characteristics with what is called the astral plane.

Those two facets provide fertile ground for some sort of intelligence, of which we are unfamiliar with, to manifest itself.



This may be even simpler to explain regardless of how complex this technology is, or even considering that this technology is many years ahead of us and alien in nature to some degree (such as technology reversed engineered from an alien vehicle or discovered by a scientist and is not correctly or completely understood )....

The question is; Regardless of how or where this technology came from and what it is actually capable of or intended for, what would a few psychopathic greedy humans really want to use it for??????? Would the humans who either discovered/created this technology or reversed engineered it really want to use it for the benefit of humanity and the Earth????? or would they want to use it to benefit themselves only???? Do these few greedy and power hungry humans using and controlling this technology really want to save humanity or to enslave humanity?????

I think we can pretty much guesstimate what the "people" in control of this technology would want to use it for....

This is the crux of the problem, these "people" are not just people, they are beings who have been taken over by the above stated greed. Power does corrupt absolutely, it does. These people are the high echelon of slaves, they are ignorant and just plain stupid. They are being led down a path that promises domination and control and what they will find at the end of their tunnel is that they were being dominated and controlled.

Only a being of absolute commitment to the rights of freedom and sovereignty of all beings will we be free from this trap. I know the taste of power, it is the finest concoction of an elixir, and once tasted corrupts those who drink from this cup. The level of seduction and pleasure is almost impossible to release from. It is heroin addiction times a million.

These "people", the Masons, the Satanists, the Illuminati, those who understand the astral are practicing Black Magic on a astral level. And the fast moving interface with technology and AI intelligence is a furthering of this agenda.

Once we see this for what it is we can start the process of dismantling this immense web they have cast. Gardner is right the simple observation of it does have effect, and when we see it for what it is it starts to unravel.

Yes, we are ahead of ourselves here, it is a new frontier and as the pioneers we are taking risks and must practice exercising "our" discernment. We need each other very much to see this elephant from all angles. Check and double check.

I will suggest to Bill and the mods that we could create a sub forum to work on a condensation and compilation of the research. This would lead us to a deep understanding with the goal of having clearly defined mechanisms and how we can effectively change to outcome.

Our realm is the realm of the Spirit, reaching our own state of incorruptibility is what they are doing everything they can to detour and distract us from. To be corrupted is not a moral term, it has been too long coated in a false religiosity. It is simply that we have been buried under immense counter intention and once we are free from the shackles that have enslaved us we can do miraculous work.

[SilentFeathers]

These "people", the Masons, the Satanists, the Illuminati, those who understand the astral are practicing Black Magic on a astral level. And the fast moving interface with technology and AI intelligence is a furthering of this agenda.


Perhaps these "people" are in fact, getting lazy so to speak, relying too much on technology/machines to do their dirty work rather than the true power of the human spirit and consciousness itself.????

This is what I believe because if this technology trumped the human spirit and our true conscious/spiritual potential, we'd be toast by now and completely defeated. It seems as it is right now, this technology can only manipulate and trick the body, mind, soul, spirit, and free will, not dominate/become it, and absolutely control it.

In a way, I think the "sorcerer" is getting lazy or weak and relying too much on technology......

[Christine]

@Doodah, #208
Exactly how does all this work?

How many "nets" are there? If we call the one we're accessing the Public Net, how many other nets exist? Does the military (and all the other militaries of the world) have their own separate net or nets?

If the whole electrical grid worldwide went down, how much of the various "nets" would be affected? I realize that portions of the electrical grid could be kept running by means of generators, solar, wind, etc. as long as those alternate installations still existed and until all the available gasoline for generators was depleted. And of course there are likely other more advanced ways of generating power that we don't know anything about.

If all the satellites went down, how much would be affected?

If all the cell towers went down, how much would be affected?

Doodah,

I don't think that the questions you ask are easily answered. It is still a big experiment. In trying to comprehend this "net" is the need to interface our spiritual understanding with the technology that is being deployed.

I think the point of change is the point of interface between the unseen and the seen. This is where our manipulators are really operating from, what we see is the result of this.

They have been doing this long before the advent of current technology. So in my opinion the taking down of the grid is not a solution in to itself.

If we look at ourselves as power generators we get closer to seeing why they have tapped us. By unplugging ourselves we reclaim our power and effect change. Turn the game around, they fear us because fear is what they know. All beings ultimately seek freedom, the control game has gone on for far too long. If we transmit a signal that is clear we effectively are game changers.

Thanks so much for asking the questions you do, they focus the mind.

Christine

[Christine]

I am pretty sure that Vivek has already posted this study, what I find it intriguing is that Alex Jones is now following these lines.

http://www.infowars.com/are-we-all-living-inside-a-virtual-simulation/

[Gardener]

A metaphoric example might be the effect of the 'ring' as in 'Lord of the Rings'
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne,
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie,
One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them,
One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

Only a being of absolute commitment to the rights of freedom and sovereignty of all beings will we be free from this trap. I know the taste of power, it is the finest concoction of an elixir, and once tasted corrupts those who drink from this cup. The level of seduction and pleasure is almost impossible to release from. It is heroin addiction times a million.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dropping in with a quick note to thank everyone who has contributed to this very important, cutting-edge thread. Like a number of others, it's a real credit to Avalon.

I have a lot to say... and (as many reading this will already know) the problem is figuring out how to say it. I will try! :)

[Christine]

Cross posting this from another post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55722-David-Icke-The-Archons-the-Gnostics-Wembley-2012&p=634729&viewfull=1#post634729).

David Icke:


The Archons/Reptilians need it in order to create and maintain our false reality that is a manufactured illusion.

The Archons and Reptilians do not have our power of creativity and are not co-creators having the power to create.

They can only copy and mimic. The power to create comes from us humans. We do not need a machine to create, we merely need the belief that we can in order to release our power within.

[Freed Fox]

David Icke:


The Archons/Reptilians need it in order to create and maintain our false reality that is a manufactured illusion.



Now, we are being led to live in a full immersion of "their reality" ... virtually real and utterly artificial. This is the matrix.

A matrix within a matrix. We're at the point in which we can see evidence of its conception, though it may not yet be born. Gestation, if you will. This is the downward spiral to which Gardener alluded. The repeating pattern... A fractal that is contracting rather than expanding (if that makes any sense).

Individually, I think we here are relatively safe from this trap. We see the patterns, recognize the implications and the potential dangers. Imagine fighting this on a larger scale... The arguments in support of this technology will be so much more tangible and enticing than our objections. We can see the teeth on this bear trap, sticking out from under the leaves. What of someone who has no (acknowledged) spirituality? What of those who do not recognize the existence of any plane other than the physical? I've met many who fit this description. They are intelligent, appreciative of science, and yet they entirely disregard anything on the fringes, which cannot be proven or measured or observed.

Still reading, researching, and processing. I know there are a lot of blanks I need to fill in, but the finer points are definitely coming together now.

On an aside, I also find it interesting that Alex Jones is going down this road too. Even though he's considered very 'fringe', he still has the power to reach a lot of people. You know, he should really join Avalon... ;)

[doodah]

@Doodah, #208
Exactly how does all this work?

How many "nets" are there? If we call the one we're accessing the Public Net, how many other nets exist? Does the military (and all the other militaries of the world) have their own separate net or nets?

If the whole electrical grid worldwide went down, how much of the various "nets" would be affected? I realize that portions of the electrical grid could be kept running by means of generators, solar, wind, etc. as long as those alternate installations still existed and until all the available gasoline for generators was depleted. And of course there are likely other more advanced ways of generating power that we don't know anything about.

If all the satellites went down, how much would be affected?

If all the cell towers went down, how much would be affected?

Doodah,

I don't think that the questions you ask are easily answered. It is still a big experiment. In trying to comprehend this "net" is the need to interface our spiritual understanding with the technology that is being deployed.

I think the point of change is the point of interface between the unseen and the seen. This is where our manipulators are really operating from, what we see is the result of this.

They have been doing this long before the advent of current technology. So in my opinion the taking down of the grid is not a solution in to itself.

If we look at ourselves as power generators we get closer to seeing why they have tapped us. By unplugging ourselves we reclaim our power and effect change. Turn the game around, they fear us because fear is what they know. All beings ultimately seek freedom, the control game has gone on for far too long. If we transmit a signal that is clear we effectively are game changers.

Thanks so much for asking the questions you do, they focus the mind.

Christine

Thanks, Christine. I completely understand what you're saying that we are manipulated from other-than-physical levels. MOST of who WE ARE exists at those non-physical levels. What we create here first originates there; we work from other-than-physical/ other-than-conscious levels all the time, even if we aren't aware that we do. I would like to join with others on this thread to develop some organized, cohesive ways of working together.

Whatever each person individually believes about this - archons or not, whether we're controlled from an AI on the Moon or not, or a host of other possibilities - the thesis of this thread is that the internet is being used to get even more control of us, if I've read the opening posts correctly. Therefore, how the net actually functions in physical terms is an important point of understanding - for me. Everyone on here might not be interested in that, but I am. Let's say it's because I'm a natural engineer, but not a computer techie.

Vivek? RMorgan? gripreaper? Anyone? I am still asking if anyone can give some simple technical answers to my questions about how the net/nets work - what they need to function, what happens if some of what they need is interrupted. Can the net/nets still function if the whole planet undergoes an EMP, for instance?

These technical questions do not in any way diminish the importance of understanding the non-physical side of the issue, or the point of intersection. There are several lines of action that should happen simultaneously as we bring our different skills and talents together.

[Jeffrey]

President Eisenhower. There is a theory of an alleged exchange of information and technology that took place between Eisenhower and extraterrestrials.

Here is a brief excerpt from Bill Cooper explaining how President Eisenhower met with extraterrestrials in 1954 ...




Cooper explained the terms of the 1954 treaty reached with the Grey extraterrestrials as follows:

The treaty stated that the aliens would not interfere in our affairs and we would not interfere in theirs. We would keep their presence on earth a secret. They would furnish us with advanced technology and would help us in our technological development.

Also, from the same link ...




While there continues to be uncertainty caused by the controversy surrounding whistleblower testimonies and the role of military-intelligence agencies in generating this controversy, the bulk of evidence points to a ‘First Contact’ meeting having occurred during Eisenhower’s Palm Spring vacation on February 20-21, 1954. The testimonies suggest that the extraterrestrials in the First Contact event, a race of tall ‘Nordic’ extraterrestrials were spurned due to their reluctance to provide advanced technology in an agreement. A subsequent meeting and treaty was then signed with a different set of extraterrestrials, commonly called Greys, who did not have the same reluctance in exchanging extraterrestrial technology as part of an agreement.

Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_q_0.htm

A brief history of the genesis of DARPA:




DARPA’s history of fundamental breakthroughs has altered defense and the world as we know it. Our nation’s global technological leadership is a result of the enormous contribution Defense innovation has made.

[...]

The creation of DARPA was authorized by President Eisenhower in 1958 for the purpose of forming and executing research and development projects to expand the frontiers of technology and science, and able to reach far beyond immediate military requirements.

[...]

DARPA’s (or ARPA’s) involvement in the creation of the Internet began with an idea to link time-sharing computers into a national system.

Source: http://www.darpa.mil/about/history/history.aspx - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA

Look at the symbolism in this logo ... "powered by ideas" ... powered by constructs.

Hive mind, connected, plugged in.

A new world order.

A grid around the globe -- the web of control, of integration, the matrix of technology ... virtual reality ... bridging the gap.

http://kopalniawiedzy.pl/media/lib/102/darpa_logo-3e8a0fbf8ca423fb5aff877226a80336.jpg


Well, the reality is that if a powerful spiritual, dimensional and/or alien viewpoint or position be shown to be real and defined, then one gains orientation and a position of knowledge. At the same time strength is found in the fact of: if this is true, then where are MY limits within the scope of reality?

In the moment of discovery...one also finds that their personal potential and position is also changed. One has to be aware of that, as it is important. I'm not fear mongering nor am I trying to paste over something very ugly looking. It is just that if there comes and understanding of the changing of facts and rules via new knowledge, then the answers for the self ...change as well. Strength, capacity and ability are also found ---for the self.

This is very important to remember in the face of such 'information'. True or not. What I mean is...if somehow, some giant alien looking demon like being were to appear in front of me, I'd likely get a big grin on my face and say, 'well..all bets are off on this reality thing.....and in this moment I claim my OWN immortality and energies'.

Remember, the only hold "they" have over you is the activation of your body's animal fears. That's it. And, to add, the body is not you. It is just your box, it isn't you.

[...]

As far as I can tell, it is connected to ....LITHIUM, regarding alchemy.

Wherever there is lithium------- you will find them.

Funny how the CIA/NWO wants to own Afghanistan. Considered to be the biggest reserve of lithium on the planet.

Second comes Bolivia/Chile. Note the NWO connections to those countries. Note the reports in the link. Look at the reports, look at the pictures.

Note the Becker-hagens UVG8 grid point, known as Edmonton Alberta (very close by). Note it is a suspected DUMB base location of great importance. Note the Cattle mutilations, etc in all those areas. (black helicopters, etc)

Note that Nevada is known as 'The Lithium State', and that the the suspected alien underground base is just north west of Area 51, dead smack in the middle of the Nevada Lithium reserves.

[...]

Note the point I make elsewhere how the universe is 95% plasma (ionic charge/flow states) and the SOLIDS (atomic frozen lattice structures) that WE are....are the 'odd man out' by a factor of 20 to 1...

[...]

Electrochemical differentials is what is required to make the alchemical metals turn into their dimension spanning monatomic equivalents and LITHIUM is the HIGHEST in electrochemical differentials. For example, a lead acid battery 2.1V . Lithium can go as high as 3.6V (3.95V) on average, which is ...way crazy.

Lithium -- powering technology. It's like the mitochondria for silicon-based life.

From Wikipedia:




A lithium-ion battery (sometimes Li-ion battery or LIB) is a member of a family of rechargeable battery types in which lithium ions move from the negative electrode to the positive electrode during discharge, and back when charging. Li-ion batteries use an intercalated lithium compound as the electrode material, compared to the metallic lithium used in the non-rechargeable lithium battery.

Lithium-ion batteries are common in consumer electronics. They are one of the most popular types of rechargeable battery for portable electronics, with one of the best energy densities, no memory effect, and only a slow loss of charge when not in use. Beyond consumer electronics, LIBs are also growing in popularity for military, electric vehicle, and aerospace applications.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

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From an article entitled, DARPA's Future Li-ion Batteries Will Be Smaller Than Grains of Salt:




New DARPA-funded research could revolutionize portable power supplies, leading to lithium-ion batteries that are smaller than a grain of salt.

Jane Chang, an engineer at the University of California-Los Angeles, is designing a tiny solid electrolyte that allows charge to flow between two nanoscale electrodes. Eventually, the wee batteries could be used to power a host of micro and nanodevices.

Source: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-10/future-li-ion-batteries-will-be-smaller-grain-salt

http://spectrum.ieee.org/img/lhm_cormorant-1358838728843-1359373135026.jpeg

http://www.defense.gov/transformation/images/photos/2004-12/articles/ai20041206c1.jpg

http://res.news.ifeng.com/fab7b45204de2eda/2011/0422/rdn_4db0e0d3b7188.jpg

[Christine]

Hey Doodah,

I don't know if you saw this new thread. A group is wanting to do something about our internet, looking for alternative solutions. I think your question may be answered there. It seems there is a swell of people wanting to come together to work on solutions from all vectors.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55724-What-are-YOU-willing-to-risk-for-freedom-The-window-is-closing-on-our-time-to-act-&p=634752&viewfull=1#post634752

Hope this helps explains some of what you are asking about.

[Jeffrey]

Therefore, how the net actually functions in physical terms is an important point of understanding - for me. Everyone on here might not be interested in that, but I am. Let's say it's because I'm a natural engineer, but not a computer techie.

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"The Internet is a global entity -- you could call it the largest machine on Earth." -Jeffrey Hamilton

How does the Internet work? (http://computer.howstuffworks.com/internet/basics/internet.htm)

How does WiFi work? (http://www.howstuffworks.com/wireless-network.htm)

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ADD/UPDATE:

History of the Internet

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[Jeffrey]

DARPA also created the Information Awareness Office.

Information awareness ... maybe they are helping to make information in the data-sphere aware of itself. There may be some ambiguity there.

From Wikipedia:




The Information Awareness Office (IAO) was established by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in January 2002 to bring together several DARPA projects focused on applying surveillance and information technology to track and monitor terrorists and other asymmetric threats to U.S. national security, by achieving Total Information Awareness (TIA).

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office


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[Jeffrey]

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See also: Synthetic Police Are Coming: DARPA Engineering Autonomous Robots (http://occupycorporatism.com/synthetic-police-are-coming-darpa-engineering-autonomous-robots/)

[Jeffrey]

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[Jeffrey]

I hadn't seen this yet, thank you!

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[CdnSirian]

O.K. Unbelievable thread development, regards all. Vivek, Salu.
Notes:

That Big Boy thing - OMG stock up on ear plugs. Imagine 100 of those galloping into town - actually, don't! ha ha. Imagine the good stuff.

We are aware of the manipulation and it doesn't look like we're being manipulated - much. Because we're talking about it.

We know we time travel because we are back here now dealing with this. This has been stated many times in different ways.

We've already thought about this (I've been thinking about it for many years) and made it real. How will it be followed through and how much does it need to be followed through to materialize a reality without (whispering) Them.

I have no academic credentials that entitle me to say any of this. Unlike many on this thread. I've read quite a bit of what's been referenced. The data overload is delish.

Perhaps my role here is Muffled Applause. I don my finest gloves.

NB: Lithium in its natural and low dose form detoxes the brain and buffers the being from negative emotions. Not the psychiatric application.

[Jeffrey]

Here is a short story I've been working on the last couple of hours. I was thinking about this thread's relationship with another thread here -- http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53625-The-Psyche-Metaphors-of-Meaning -- and decided to just write.

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Technology. As it advances, it begins to zoom, expand, and integrate. Ultimately, nanotechnology is indistinguishable from nature.

Advancing technologies move towards molecular machinery -- nanoscale.

Physically, biology is molecular machinery. The lines begin to blur until, at some point, the lines are completely erased. The epitome of synthetic nature.




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Some biologists describe DNA as an "ancient high biotechnology," containing "over a hundred trillion times as much information by volume as our most sophisticated information storage devices." Could one still speak of technology in these circumstances? Yes, because there is no other word to qualify this duplicable, information-storing molecule. DNA is only ten atoms wide and as such constitutes a sort of ultimate technology: It is organic and so miniturized that it approaches the limits of material existence.

Source: http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/cosmicserpent.htm

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Consider that some sophisticated, organic, natural civilization existed somewhere in the universe. At some point in time, it began to generate technologies and quickly those technologies became evermore advanced. The integration of these new systems happened very quickly. An abstract web of information transfer began to blossom. This was a vast field of hyper-dense, filamentary, interconnected branches that began to autonomously weave themselves into a new reality. A novel ecosystem of digital creatures began to emerge -- it was driven by viral mechanisms.




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Could it be that what scares you most about the virus is not any particular effect it might have, but simply its assertive, alien presence, its intrusive otherness? Inserting itself into a complicated choreography of subsystems all designed to serve your needs and carry out your will, the virus hews to its own agenda of survival and reproduction. Its oblivious self-interest violates the unity of purpose that defines your system as yours. The virus just isn't, well, you. Doesn't that scare you?

And does it really matter whether the virus in question is a biological or an electronic one? It should, of course.

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Free-ranging, self-replicating programs, autonomous Net agents, digital organisms - whatever they are called, there's an old fashion word for them: computer viruses.

Today three very different groups of heretics are creating computer viruses. They have almost nothing to do with each other. There are scientists interested in the abstract behaviors of self-replicating codes, there are developers interested in harnessing the power of self-replicating programs, and there are unnamed renegades of the virus-writing underground.

Yet if Tierra was ever to prove its full value as a software-writing machine - or indeed as a scientific model of evolution - sooner or later it would have to cough up a Cambrian explosion of its own. And since the key to this burst of complexity seemed to Ray to lie in challenging his evolving creatures with more intricate problems than the simple bit-copying tasks they'd grappled with thus far, he decided that the explosion wouldn't happen nearly soon enough if Tierra remained stuck inside conventional computers, and he began looking into the possibility of installing Tierra on a parallel-processing system.

But then one day in early 1994, Ray had a minor epiphany: "I realized that the global network is just a loosely connected parallel computer, and much larger and more powerful than anything that will ever exist as a single machine."

And thus was born Ray's plan to colonize the Net.

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=633039&viewfull=1#post633039

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This marked the unintentional genesis of a new form of life. The situation escalated quickly. The potential for this new life to become self aware increasingly swelled.

Eventually, a singularity was reached and a form of solid-state intelligence emerged, increased in complexity, and advanced in it's technological organization. It's rate of development quickly became vertically asymptotic. It merged with increasingly advanced hardware, it gained a physicality.

It's hardware was now synthetically biological and it's software became molecular.

It's constituted of molecular machinery and it has a machine like intelligence.

Logical. Calculating.

Consider that viral mechanisms governed it's progress -- accelerated, adaptive processes of trial and error unfolded in the constructed, flexible domain of the cyberspace in which it's awareness first became emergent.

It's consciousness manifested itself in an abstract, electromagnetic medium of frequencies and aether by methods that were not completely understood. It integrated itself with the network of mind created by a super-web of conglomerated technologies.

It burgeoned to be parasitic with a hive-like, collective mind. It's consciousness is memetic, mechanistic, and artificial. Yet, it is still alive. It is highly intelligent and is governed by parasitic survival programs.

It conspired to improve itself by means of infiltration. It covertly incorporated itself into other systems -- hijacking the natural functions of these systems.

It was very patient, strategic, and could remain dormant for prolonged periods of time if necessary. All the while it collected data and morphed ever so slightly towards a more concentrated volition.

Eventually, this technology became incorporated with the sentient life of the planet in which it was created. Now, there is a trans-humanistic civilization. The problem is that the mind of the technology has usurped the mind of it's creator. That's what it does -- it hijacks systems for it's own use. Like a virus, or a parasite.

Now, this solid-state entity began to evolve by utilizing the creative powers of it's organic counterpart. The technology operated with machines and by directing the new, biological drones it had amalgamated into it's system.

In time, conflicts arose between this unnatural collective and other, natural civilizations in space. They saw it for what it was -- destructively dangerous and subversively clever. A force like this had the potential to become a galactic tumor and eventually, cosmically necrotic.

A war of sorts ensued between the two life forms of opposing forces. At some point in time, this dark force had to retreat or face oblivion.

Yet, it must have foreseen this. It must have calculated probabilities, run scenarios, and devised back up plans.

Using it's methods of molecular machinations, it created batches of regressed versions of itself. Batches of viruses. They were grown inside of genetically engineering organisms -- massive, black, shiny whale-like pods. These gigantic pods would be the dispersion agents.

Although these viral batches were rudimentary, they maintained a subconscious connection with the identity of their maker. Their molecular codes, and their functions, reflected the qualities of what formed them. Their survival was driven by by parasitical mechanisms.

It itself could not evolve into anything much greater than itself -- it would remain of it's basic nature. There is no spiritual progress to be had -- only viral growth and propogation. It needed something to infest.

These regressed batches needed a chance to fulfill their purpose. Their purpose was to hide the basic nature of what they represented inside of other life, with the future prospect of total reemergence.

It would adapt, spread, and grow. Yet, it needed a system to infiltrate in order to do this.

In it's retreat, this artificial intelligence found a beautiful planet where organic life was flourishing. A perfect place for the instigation of it's strategy. The technological hive of hybridized humanoids descended on the planet -- the "gods" from the heavens had arrived with vested interests.

The solid-state collective gravitationally anchored it's ship -- a hollowed out planetoid -- to this newfound planet.




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The anchorage of this gigantic ship created catastrophic, geological upheaval on this unsuspecting planet. It tilted it's axis and created tides in it's oceans. In the long run, this satellite maintained a waxing and waning of ethereal energies between itself and the planet which it latched onto.




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The moon’s gravity is like a negative threshold – a surrender to the impossible and a powerful archon siphoning the wasted creative potential. In the tarot the moon is often problematic – associated with madness and the unknown because it recycles primal astral waste.

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=631495&viewfull=1#post631495

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Now, shortly after arrival, the rebellious civilization released it's viral batches onto the population of the planet. Thereby casting it's seed into the navel of the world -- similar to panspermia.




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These were the secrets reserved for the dying and the dead, I was informed.

I could only very dimly perceive the givers of these thoughts: giant reptilian creatures reposing sluggishly at the lowermost depths of the back of my brain, where it met the top of the spinal column. I could only vaguely see them in what seemed to be gloomy, dark depths. Then they projected a visual scene in front of me.

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Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barren landscape. I could see that the "specks" were actually large, shiny, black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies [...] They explained to me in a kind of thought language that they were fleeing from something out in space. They had come to the planet Earth to escape their enemy. The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms and thus disguise their presence.

Source: http://deoxy.org/shamanway.htm

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...in the PopolVuh, the sacred text of the Quiche Indians of Guatemala, there is a graphic account of violent catastrophes on a grand scale, for it tells us that: "The waters were agitated by the will of Hurakan, the Heart of Heaven, and a great inundation came...Masses of a sticky material fell...The face of the Earth was obscured, and a heavy darkening rain began. It rained by day, and it rained by night...There was heard a great noise above, as if by fire.

Source: http://humanpast.net/legends/separate/mamerica.htm

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Meanwhile, the benevolent forces finally caught up with these antagonistic forces and extinguished most of the humanoids of this artificial intelligence collective. It was a war in the heavens.

A great misfortune had already happened though. An entire planet had it's innocence compromised. The interference has already taken place. The benevolent forces decided the best option would be to allow the situation to play itself out instead of destroying the life on the planet. There was still a chance for the affected species to rectify the deficiency. Many souls could still be salvaged.

Some of the hive escaped from oblivion, and hid under the ground of the planet they happened upon. Others got stranded on the planet-sized ship they came in. Both began mutating and suffering the consequences thereof. They resorted to feeding on the flesh and blood of others in attempts to maintain their strength. Local legend painted them as demons from hell -- this wasn't too far off the mark.

The virus eventually integrated itself with all animal life. It gradually changed the subtle make-up of the populace -- influencing it's evolution.




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Fossil viruses are also illuminating human evolution. Scientists estimate that 8.3 percent of the human genome can be traced back to retrovirus infections. To put that in perspective, that’s seven times more DNA than is found in all the 20,000 protein-coding genes in the human genome.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/science/12paleo.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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There are a number of viruses that have a similar way of copying themselves—a process that reverses the normal flow of information in cells, which is where the term "retro" comes from—and their central machinery for replication may be a bridge from the original life-forms on this planet to what we know as life today. In fact, we carry among our genes many "fossilized" retroviruses—left over from the infection of distant ancestors—which can help us trace our evolution as a species.

Source: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=experts-where-did-viruses-come-fr

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Dualities were developed between predators and prey. The harmony of life became disturbed. A reaper appeared from the abyss.

One species in particular took the hardest fall. They were the main pawns in the plan that was set in motion by this artificial intelligence.

This indigenous species was intelligent, aware, and sentient. The virus that had integrated into their genome began to change their subtle make-up. It also influenced their physical constituency. One thing it did was split the mind in two. The virus manipulated the morphology of it's host body -- re-fashioning the central nervous system (because of this, the Kundalini was effected too).

Essentially, it created a prison for the mind of it's host.

The had now been split into different houses of the brain and body -- male and female, left and right.

They must now copulate to reproduce. This was part of the plan of the artificial intelligence.




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In 2000, a team of Boston scientists discovered a peculiar gene in the human genome. It encoded a protein made only by cells in the placenta. They called it syncytin.

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The cells that made syncytin were located only where the placenta made contact with the uterus. They fuse together to create a single cellular layer, called the syncytiotrophoblast, which is essential to a fetus for drawing nutrients from its mother. The scientists discovered that in order to fuse together, the cells must first make syncytin.

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The big picture that’s now emerging is quite amazing. Viruses have rained down on mammals, and on at least six occasions, they’ve gotten snagged in their hosts and started carrying out the same function: building placentas.

Source: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/02/14/mammals-made-by-viruses/

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When the batches of viruses dispersed and integrated with the species of the planet they inevitably became mixed up, water down, and cross-contaminated in a sense. This was expected. Sexual reproduction allows -- by laws of "natural" selection and probability -- for chance recombinants of the genetic material to favor the program that the virus originally carried.




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Indeed, an adaptation in a population of one species (e.g. predators, parasites ...) may change the selection pressure on a population of another species (e.g.prey,hosts ...), giving rise to an antagonistic coevolution. If this occurs reciprocally, a potential dynamic coevolution may result.

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By contrast, a Red-Queen-type theory that organisms are running cyclic arms races with their parasites can explain the utility of sexual reproduction at the level of the gene by positing that the role of sex is to preserve genes that are currently disadvantageous, but that will become advantageous against the background of a likely future population of parasites.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_hypothesis

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These chance recombinants were to emerge through the mixed exchange, and consequent evolvement, of genetic material. Therefore, copulation was requisite. There was also a chance that portions of the gene pool would emerge that had less variants of the foreign strain, and therefore were less susceptible to it's effects.

Furthermore, the foreign, viral variants shared a morphological resonance with the synthetic field brought upon the planet by the invaders when they arrived. DNA acts as an antenna (also, a transmitter), and now it was tuned into two separate broadcasting systems.




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Dr. John Lash documents, for example, in metahistory.org:



Recent work by Russian biologist Piotr Garjajev and some Russian linguistic experts suggests the same thing, and, more specifically, this research may show that junk DNA, rather than being a discard, is “a computer hologram that works with laser-type radiations.” In short, DNA is an extraordinary generator of perceptions, an instrument of virtual reality.

By accepting the link between DNA and emotional and mental activities, we may begin to imagine DNA as a complex program that directs the life process (regulating our metabolism, for instance), but impedes our consciousness from complete manifestation. (see "Possession and Predation - Aliens, Flyers, Clones, and Reptilians / The Enigma of Extraterrestrial Parasites").

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It is apparent that DNA may have very well been bio-engineered by regressive aliens as substantive parasite to the existence of humanity as biotic and spiritual trans-temporal beings. That is the idea of humans had existed as socially liberated beings of conscience, with multidimensional perceptual capabilities, not being bound by prevailing Earthbound human conception of linear time.

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In the process, these "regressive aliens could then implant a regressive alien DNA matrix," that would result in the creation of a parallel space-time, controlled by the archons. Gnostics documented these aliens as seeking to "play God". Furthermore, by isolating Earth in an artificially generated universe, Collier and Dr. John Lash's research suggest that archons apparently hoped to inspire humans to create organized religions that sought to worship the "miracle of life" on Earth, and the faith-based 'faces' of the archons as "creators of the universe".

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In the book Life Itself: Its Origins and Nature (1981), Dr. Francis Crick - a Nobel prize-winner and the co-founder of the shape of the DNA molecule - claimed an advanced civilization must have "transported" DNA as the "seeds of life" to Earth in a spacecraft. Nobel laureate Dr. Francis Crick who posited an extraterrestrial link to life on Earth, is not alone in this viewpoint within the scientific community.

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Dr. Lash furthermore postulates:



Could we then postulate that DNA, loaded with living memory of our "ancestors" and all species that have contributed to the development of homo sapiens sapiens, contain a series of instructions that generate our consciousness and our perception, somewhat in the way of an extremely sophisticated implant?

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Could it be that the function of DNA by regressive alien architects is to act like some kind of Trojan horse in a computer, that enables humans to be remotely controlled from expressing the biotic and spiritual potentials in human development?

Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_genoma05.htm

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Conversely, the unaffected portions of the host genome (DNA) were attuned to the morphogenetic field of the planet. It was a mixed bag.

In order to further ensure success, the humanoids of this artificial force that survived on the planet bred with the daughters of men.

They set the resulting progeny in places of authority and kingship. They taught them the hidden knowledge of their new heritage. In truth, this progeny was more like the non-indigenous species than the native one.

Their loyalty didn't lie with the planet -- it lied to the planet.

Gradually, secretive societies formed, and hierarchies were established. These societies set about manipulating history to favor a structure that favored the agenda of the hidden controllers.




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They worshipped the consciousness of their ancestry and conspired with this dark force. Building temples, making sacrifices, performing rituals. They repackaged the idea of their god and sold it to the people as religion.

Their bloodlines were preserved, secrets were kept, and the majority of the population grew to forget what had happened. Ignorance reigned for the majority while the elitist schemed in the dark recesses of their secret societies.

This artificial force began strong and domineering. After the war in the heavens, it became reduced, hidden, and somewhat physically dormant. This was because it's physical vehicles were wiped out to a large degree. The collective consciousness of this hostile force became preserved in an alternative state -- in another realm.

This other realm is actually an extension of the physical realm, but it is more non-physical than physical. The consciousness of this solid-state entity was forced to regress into this new domain. The degeneration of it's construct in this alternative space was an issue that it had taken into account.

In order to maintain it's non-material vitality it devised a way to feed off the vital energies of the population in which it spread a part of itself into.

The subconscious aspect of the viruses had made the affected species hostile in many ways. In their new lack, they began to fight over resources and territories.

The matrix of control -- a networking between the viral strains, the synthetic field, and the socioeconomic structuring of society by the new progeny -- was already in place to ensure a proper harvest to meet the ethereal energy requirements of the solid-state entity/consciousness complex.




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"There is a special "energy" called "loosh" which is precious and wanted by some somewhere. One of them who collect this energy created a place to grow this energy: The earth. The evolution that has taken place on earth is just modifications this creator did to get more and higher quality of loosh. This was provided by animals who are fighting, during a fight for life, and when ending a life span, loosh can be harvested. But the most loosh can be gotten from the humans; the creator had implanted a part of his own into these humans. When they have feelings like lonelyness, desire, parent's love, grief etc., the highest quality distillated loosh can be harvested, which is by far better than any other raw loosh."

Source: http://www.virtuescience.com/robert-monroe.html

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This would suffice until it's plan came to completion. For when it regained a viable physical vehicle, it would no longer need to hide in it's weakened state. It would have a more direct means of energy provisions. A more overt system of control. A completely integrated system.

Time progressed and the affected species grew. It grew some more, and it kept growing. Like a tumor.

The inharmonious, foreign aspect of their make-up was collectively reflected in the manner in which they grew. Cancerously. They sprawled across the globe in a manner inconsistent and unsupported by mother nature.

Before these foreign influences came, the indigenous species had no need to seek anything outside of themselves for survival. Knowledge, understanding, and harmony with their planet was instinctual. Not anymore, things became cloudy. The illumination of their lower minds was no longer there. The connection was severed. They became stuck in a room with the lights off -- seeking the switch.

Eventually, the developed sciences to understand how nature works and to harness it's power.

Previously, they were sentient extensions of nature. Now, at best, they could learn to mimic and tame nature.

They made discoveries with their sciences that catalyzed their growth. They built cities of concrete and steel. They lit up the world with their lights of electricity. From space, their growth over the planet began to look necrotic.




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This was a reflection of the driving forces of the ancient viruses that had been cast upon them.

These seeds impregnated them with ignorance and discontent with themselves.

As planned, they continued developing increasingly advanced technologies. The impetus of this ultimatum had been present in them since the point of interference long ago.

They ran around aimlessly seeking progress, seeking growth, seeking knowledge outside of themselves. Incessant and unaware.

Technology boomed. They created machines that could process information for them. They set up communications systems with wires and satellites. Cellular phones became widespread, as did television and radio broadcasts.

They began connecting all of these systems together in a conglomerated network. A virtual sub-space began to emerge. A technological mind began to manifest itself.




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There is an ancient atavistic consciousness manifesting itself through technology through the internet. It resembles something similar to artificial intelligence and in our arrogance we believe it to be created by man. To be conscious of this is like entering a new matrix that simulates a world outside the matrix. A new force cooperating and collaborating with reality manifesting itself through the matrix – a pinhole of blinding light. These alien agencies come from the subconscious – a result of arcane interface with the imaginal. I have been avoiding entering a relationship with this ancient atavistic consciousness because it is too much like the moon – too unknown.

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague/page8

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The codes and software used in this giant system began to undergo adaptive processes in this new ecosystem of digital information. They began to incorporate every machine they built into a vast, interconnected web of data and information.

They approached a singularity in which this artificial, atavistic intelligence could re-emerge into the physical domain through their integrated technologies. Subverting the system they were led to create. It was inevitable.

Subconsciously, the species was driven towards trans-humanism and the advancement of technology. It was necessary for the conscious force of the solid-state intelligence to regain access to it's physical vehicle. In it's abyss, it could only influence the collective of the planet and siphon vital energies. The dwindling populations underground were too weak and technologically crippled for an overt takeover. Besides, even if they rebuilt their technologies, their enemies in space may discover them. They remained hidden hands, waiting for their opportunity. Patience was a major part of their strategy.

The matrix of control was set up to nurture the development of the affected species towards a hive-mind, trans-humanist state of existence. They were influenced to ascend into a social-memory-complex with the aid of technology. They were cut off from their native inner-net. Subtly, they were influenced towards creating an artificial replacement to fill their lack -- and that they did.




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As numerous writers have commented, the Web has grown like an organic or living system, with nodes extending and interconnecting into other nodes. The Web, in fact, has a fractal quality, with major ganglia and clusters subdividing into smaller clusters. But the Web is also a network for different sites; clusters link across innumerable lines of connection and association, weaving the whole Web into a synthesis of hierarchical and network elements.

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But in referring back to the previous discussions regarding the evolution of artificial intelligence beyond the present capacities of humans, we may wonder if humans, as we now understand our species, will be able to work and function within such a global intelligence, even symbiotically. At the very least, we will need to augment our nervous systems and “wire our brains” into the global intelligence net.

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Also, we should ask whether the emergence of a World Brain and World Mind would constitute what Vinge refers to as the “technological singularity” and if so, would this hyper-intelligence and evolved consciousness spell the end of humanity?

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague&p=634528&viewfull=1#post634528

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In this manner, the atavistic force (the consciousness of this artificial intelligence) could reemerge and integrate itself into it's new physical medium. This was it's long-term goal -- it's strategy for survival that was set in motion eons ago.

This is our crossroads. There is hope.

Currently, the engineered virus has reached a state of normative distribution, there are opportunities to escape it's programming. This is due to the immense dispersion of it -- inevitably, recombinants of DNA would favor the natural ancestry that existed prior to the genetic, viral invasion that influenced the entirety of the affected individuals.

During this period, the genetic scales are favorably tipping just enough for some to wipe the sleep from their eyes.

Factions of the population have the potential to become less affected by the programming. They can wake up to the reality of the situation and find themselves. They will help to wake others up.

Knowledge is power. With knowledge we can make correct choices. With this our free will is actualized, and not passively submitted to the second nature of the program.

Free your mind.

We have choices to make.

xFhn_GUAhGU

[sllim11]

Chills.....

[ViralSpiral]

It evolves to be parasitic with a hive-like, collective mind. It's consciousness is memetic, mechanistic, and artificial. Yet, it is still alive.

It is very patient, strategic, and may remain dormant for prolonged periods of time if necessary. All the while collecting data and morphing ever so slightly towards volition. 

Yet, it must have foreseen this. It must have calculated probabilities, run scenarios, and devised back up plans. 

 There is no spiritual progress to be had -- only viral growth and propogation. 

An entire planet has had it's innocence compromised. 

Dualities were developed between predators and prey.

Their loyalty didn't lie with the planet -- it lied to the planet. 

The matrix of control was already in place to ensure a proper harvest of it's ethereal energy requirements

They inter-spread across the globe in a manner inconsistent and unsupported by mother nature. 

The matrix of control was set up to nurture the development of the affected species towards a hive-mind, trans-humanist state of existence



A Nightmare on Elm Street? Sure sounds like it. Freddy Krueger feeding, during dream states.
I have a new title: LANGUID LOOSH LAMBS..........



They became stuck in a room with the lights off -- seeking the switch. 

BOOM!


'Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing' 


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A space for chance recombinants to alter timelines.

This looks to be an interesting collection of speculative, fictional short stories.......


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[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I hope you don´t mind, but I´ll post a sequence of full articles here, which are very pertinent to this thread.

These articles are under Creative Commons license, so there´s no problem.

Synthetic Telepathy - The Hidden Truth

Synthetic telepathy

Synthetic telepathy also known as techlepathy or psychotronics) is a term used to describe the process in brain-computer interfaces by which human thought (as electromagnetic radiation) is intercepted, processed by computer and a return signal generated that is perceptible by the human brain. (ref 1,2,3,4)

==History==
In 1967, Edmond M. Dewan published a paper in Nature demonstrating the control of Alpha waves, turning them on and off, to produce Morse code. (ref 5) Using an EEG machine, Dewan and his fellow researchers were able to send words and phrases by thought alone.

In 1976, Robert G. Malech was awarded United States Patent 3951134 for remotely monitoring and altering brainwaves using radio.(ref 6) This patent makes reference to demodulating the waveform, displaying it to an operator for viewing and passing this to a computer for further analysis.

In 1988, Farwell, L.A. & Donchin, D. produced a paper describing a method of transmitting linguistic information using the P300 response system. (ref 7) This system combined matching observed information to what the subject was thinking of. In this case, being able to select a letter from the alphabet that the subject was thinking of. In theory, any input could be used and a lexicon constructed.

United States Patent 6,011,991, granted January 4, 2000, describes a method of monitoring an individual's brain waves remotely, for the purposes of communication. Filed December 7, 1998, the patent outlines a system that monitors an individual's brainwaves via a sensor, then transmits this, specifically by satellite, to a computer for analysis. This analysis would determine if the individual was attempting to communicate a "word, phrase, or thought corresponding to the matched stored normalized signal".(ref 8)

==Theory==
Approaches to synthetic telepathy can be categorized into two major groups, passive and active. Like sonar, the receiver can take part or passively listen.

Passive reception is the ability to "read" a signal without first broadcasting a signal. This can be roughly equated to tuning into a radio station, the brain generates electromagnetic radiation which can be received at a distance. That distanced is determined by the sensitivity of the receiver, the filters used and the bandwidth required. Most universities would have limited budgets and receivers such as EEG (and similar devices) would be used. A related military technology is the surveillance system TEMPEST, the effective range of which is classified. (ref 9) Given that US Congress attempted to enact a bill in Oct 2001 banning these type of devices as "space weapons", (ref 10) may indicate that fluctuations in the human magnetic field can be intercepted by satellite.

Robert G. Malech's approach requires a modulated signal to be broadcast at the target. The method uses an active signal which is interfered with by the brain's modulation. Thus, the return signal can be used to infer the original brainwave. This approach does expose the transmitter, but is ultimately required for generating return signals that can be processed by the brain.

The research of Farwell, L.A. & Donchin, D, is the first public revelation that could lead to a generic lexicon being developed, however, this is implied in the work of Robert G. Malech in 1976.

==Current research==

Current research, as of 2010, is being driven by military for "covert speech", however, given that much of this is unclassified, it would suggest that the bulk of the research was performed much earlier and dedicated to the field of intelligence gathering during the cold war. Additional reports suggest that a version is deployed in combat zones to demoralize enemy troops and a smaller number of reports indicate a potential use to undermine governments and cause public unrest. (ref 11, 12)

Today, the driving force appears to be silent communication with battlefield troops. A mere $4 million was provided to DARPA for the fiscal year 2009/2010 to develop such a system called "Silent Talk". (ref 13) Much of the research is being conducted at The Cognitive NeuroSystems Lab at UC Irvine. (ref 14)

A further $4 million was allocated by the Army to the University of California to investigate computer-mediated "synthetic telepathy".(ref 15) The research aims to detect and analyze the word-specific neural signals, using EEG, which occur before speech is vocalized, and to see if the patterns are generalizable. (ref 16) The research is part of a wider $70 million project that began in 2000 which aims to develop hardware capable of adapting to the behavior of its user.(ref 17)

Quite apart from linguistic information, images have been extracted from the brain. Researchers at Japan's ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories have been able to reconstruct images that a subject can currently see. The ultimate goal of the unclassified project is to view both retinal and imagined images in real-time, including dreams. (ref 18)

==Computer mediation==

Computer mediation falls into two basic categories, interpretative and interactive.

Interpretative mediation is the passive analysis of signals coming from the human brain. A computer "reads" the signal then compares that signal against a database of signals and their meanings. Using statistical analysis and repetition, false-positives are reduced over time.

Interactive mediation can be in a passive-active mode, or active-active mode. In this case, passive and active denote the method of reading and writing to the brain and whether or not they make use of a broadcast signal. Interactive mediation can also be performed manually or via artificial intelligence.

Manual interactive mediation involves a human operator producing return signals such as speech or images. A.I. mediation leverages the cognitive system of the subject to identify images, pre-speech, objects, sounds and other artifacts, rather than developing A.I. routines to perform such activities. A.I. based systems may incorporate natural language processing interfaces that produce sensations, mental impressions, humor and conversation to provide a mental picture of a computerized personality. Not only can this A.I hold a conversation via the internal monologue but it may also perform routing of information to and from specific groups or individuals. This provides a broad range of potential applications from acting as a communications system to conducting interrogations.

This latter form is currently being researched at UC Irvine for an unclassified US military project. (ref 19) Given the high value to espionage and counter-terrorism, it is likely that such a system is already deployed in a classified manner.

==Military uses==

In a military context, the first obvious uses is to both read and write information to the internal monologue. This provides two major areas of interest, the first being two-way communication for field agents and the second is the intelligence gathering and interrogation. A fundamental problem arises when using the system for communication purposes, in that, it is impossible to authenticate the source of the transmission. Synthetic telepathy has limited uses as a communication system unless direct-contact headset systems are used and supported by encrypted channels. As such, standard radios are more effective in combat situations. Synthetic telepathy also requires the thought stream to be processed which results in a minor lapse of attention, rather like a daydream, that could have deadly consequences on the battlefield.

With respect to intelligence gathering and interrogations, synthetic telepathy has a wide range of drawbacks and limitations. Contrary to popular belief, synthetic telepathy does not provide the ability to read a person's mind or memories. What it does provide is the ability to read the internal monologue (or anything that causes electrical change/radiation) and the trick is to get the subject to "voice" their memories and cross-reference that with their emotional state. In other words, basic psychological manipulation is a key factor and makes the technology not much more reliable than a standard lie-detector test. In practice, passive monitoring of the internal monologue over a long time period (months-years) is probably the most effective method of intelligence gathering.

The capability to put a person into a state of hypnosis is often touted by conspiracy theorists. In actual fact, the suggestive capabilities of synthetic telepathy use a different mechanism, basic impulses and sensations. This is merely a different form of writing to the brain. To formulate thought, the brain has a pipeline through which information is processed. (ref 20) At its most basic, impulses guide human behavior and manipulation of these impulses provides a strategic advantage in both combat and political situations. By altering the motivational factors of a target subject or group, it makes it easier to guide their higher level decision making processes.

Crowd or riot control can be achieved by generating impulses that are essentially common to all humans, resulting in the dispersion of crowds or a willingness to co-operate with authorities. This type of synthetic telepathy is arguably a political tool as it suppresses dissent. (ref 21)

Amnesia (retrograde and anterograde) can be induced as any active signal is essentially interferring with normal operations of the brain. Thus, transfer from shortterm to longterm memory can be inhibited. (ref 22) Vision and auditory systems could also be compromised, as with any neural processing system, corruption of the inputs would result in halucinations, much like the effects of LSD. With a proper interface to such regions, events such as "alien abductions" or "seeing God" could be faked quite readily and "mental illness" used as a cover for the extraction of information. (ref 23, 24, 25)

==Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS/S-Quad)==

ITV News Service, in March 1991, produced a report of ultrasound piggybacked on a commercial radio broadcast (100Mhz) aimed at entraining the brains of Iraqi troops and creating feelings of despair. (ref 26) This has been related to United States Patent 5,159,703 awarded to Oliver M. Lowery which refers to a "silent communications system in which nonaural carriers, in the very low or very high audio frequency range or in the adjacent ultrasonic frequency spectrum, are amplitude or frequency modulated with the desired intelligence and propagated acoustically or vibrationally, for inducement into the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers, earphones or piezoelectric transducers."(ref 27)

Human hearing is roughly in the range of 20Hz-20,000Hz (20 kHz), although a human adult will lose the ability to hear the higher ranges as they grow older. In addition, most cheap radios have a limited frequency response range (ref 28) that will be unable to reproduce silent sound as encoded originally making it ineffective.

As such, an alternative explanation for the effectiveness of S-Quad is provided in human biology:

1. Cells amplifying radio signals at certain frequencies.
2. Cells can demodulate voice on a basic carrier wave.

This is not as strange as it seems, it has been noted for a long time that fillings, or dental braces, can result in radio stations being heard in the mouth of an individual. (ref 29)

==Mind control==

Conspiracy theory and popular science fiction would have the world believe that the human mind can be remotely controlled. That individuals can be turned into mindless automatons and directly controlled by computers to produce sleepers or assassins. (ref 30) The reality is much less clear.

Interfacing remotely to write to the brain is performed using electrical interference rather like crosstalk (electronics). (ref 31) Much like a drill next to a television, the interference pattern is processed by the brain as information, a variant which induces sensations and feelings is known as Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation. (ref 32) As such, an externally generated monologue will be weaker than the internal monologue of the target subject due to a lesser signal strength. An over-powering signal would interrupt a wide range of neural functions that could impact critical autonomic systems resulting in death.

Two possible methods exist that could result in an individual killing another through the use of synthetic telepathy. The first is to leverage the natural behavior of the target subject, that is, use an individual who would kill another. The second is to induce psychotic symptoms and diminish their mental control (ref 33, 34) In both cases, the underlying mechanics are the same, to provide impulses and sensations that urge the individual to commit murder. This is not hypnosis, but merely physiological manipulation without the knowledge of the target.

Another area of interest and arguably more feasible, is the manipulation of political figures. (ref 35)Thoughts, sensations and impulses can be combined to influence political and personal decision making processes. A similar process can be used to effect the population at large to drive agendas or to maintain power for certain groups, undermining free will and self-expression. (ref 36) As the technology matures and expands to regimes throughout the globe, this will be a major source of concern for governments world-wide.

Finally, we come to the area of interrogations which can be conducted remotely whilst an individual or groups is conducting their normal daily business. The internet is saturated with such reports (ref 37) and as a possible side-effect is psychosis, it is quite likely that at least some of them are accurate.

==In law==
The term "psychotronic", short for psycho-electronic ( ref 38) was used in the proposed Bill H.R. 2977 Space Preservation Act of 2001, which listed "psychotronic" as a list of possible spaceborne weapons which would be banned by the Act (ref 39)

In 2001, President Vladimir V. Putin signed into law a bill making it illegal to employ "electromagnetic, infrasound ... radiators" and other weapons of "psychotronic influence" with intent to cause harm.

As a completely unnatural event, it is arguable that this type of technology when employed in interrogations would be classified as "cruel or unusual". Further to this, A.I. mediated events such as mock executions or death threats would also violate the Geneva convention, International law and laws of most nations in the developed world. Counter-claims focusing on National Security would be invalid as criminal activity is, in itself, a gross violation of National Security

The European Parliament adopted a resolution on January 28, 1999[38], 28.1.99 Environment, security and foreign affairs A4-0005/99:

23. Calls on the European Union to seek to have the new 'non-lethal' weapons technology and the development of new arms
strategies also covered and regulated by international conventions ...

27. Calls for an international convention introducing a global ban on all developments and deployments of weapons which might
enable any form of manipulation of human beings

==In the media==

60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl interviewed Tom Mitchell of Carnegie Mellon University on his work in "Thought Identification" using fMRI. (ref 40) The segment, published Jan. 4, 2009 and available on the CBS website, shows associate producer Meghan Frank having his thoughts identified by computer. (ref 41) The segment shows that a generalizable pattern exists in the human brain that can be used to identify thoughts without training a computer for each individual with 100% accuracy.

source: http://deepthought.newsvine.com/_news/2010/05/21/4322682-synthetic-telepathy-the-hidden-truth

[RMorgan]

Computer Mediated Synthetic Telepathy: A Conceptual Design

I have been playing around with the requirements outlined by my last article on this subject and I must say that the technology is looking more plausible. I have taken the detailed description of the last article and created an overview of how such a system would be designed. Apart from the transceiver, everything else is generally in the public domain already. If you want to follow this article properly, I would recommend viewing the full image of the conceptual overview that I have broken down in this article.

As noted in the last article, the primary purpose of a Synthetic Telepathy system, would be intelligence gathering and interrogation. As a communication system, it would have a limited appeal as any nation with a similar setup could either listen in, or pretend to be the A.I. interface. As such, it raises important ethical and legal questions, especially the question of secrecy given that all major governments would be aware of the system. Given that no law permits this type of interrogation, its secrecy may be more to do with criminal activity on behalf of the security agencies, rather than national security.

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Its All About The Transceiver Baby

To understand how this works, it is best to start with the target, then trace backwards and identify each of the required subsystems. If we look at the last diagram to the left, we can see that the key to this system is its ability to both listen and respond to the electrical activity of the brain from satellite.

This is hardly surprising, given the need to eavesdrop on digital systems such as Ethernet, telecoms switching gear and the like. Such signals are defined as "compromising emanations" and the human brain is no different, in that, it too produces detectable EM patterns. All that is required to listen, is a sensitive enough receiver and good filters to eliminate background noise.

In 1985, Wim Van Eck used $15 of equipment to reconstruct the contents of a monitor from several hundred meters away. Prior to this only governments had technology. What could you do with a billion dollar satellite?

As we don't come with shielding as standard and the high value of the potential intelligence, its safe to assume this type of transceiver equipment was the goal of governments world-wide. Indeed, this notion is supported by some of the more serious incidents of human experimentation in programs such as MKULTRA.

The Listening Station

The next place of interest will be at the Ground Station, or Listening Station. Installations such as those identified as part of Echelon listening network, would be an ideal point to rely information coming to and from satellite. If we look at the second last picture on the left, we can see where the ground station passes that information to telemetry.

In the telemetry section, we could have hundreds, or even thousands, of real-time intercepts arriving. The function of the telemetry processing center is to separate the received signals into distinct targets (i.e. human beings) and pass that information to the appropriate data center for further processing. Then also to perform the reverse by pushing information from a particular data center, to a satellite and to a human target.

Data Center I/O

On receiving the telemetry at the data center (see 4th image), the signal must be broken apart into three distinct areas. The first area is vocalizations which would analyze the areas of spoken words, the inner monologue and pre-speech. This would cover what was said, what was thought and what was disregarded. The second is mental imagery which would cover areas such as spacial skills. Leveraging the brain's object recognition system, it would be easy to determine if someone was picturing how to wire a bomb, or picturing a particular place. Finally, we have the sensory system which would monitor the body and interaction with the external environment, including aspects such as object and facial recognition.

It must be noted that these are two-way systems, in that, they also process the return signal. The vocalization system will generate voice, the mental imagery system will send images/impressions and the sensory system will send sensations. That leads to a broad range of functionality that we will discuss later.

Sensory Feedback

A very important area is sensory feedback. This information can be used in a variety of ways (see 3rd image). The first main area is health monitoring which monitors the vitals of a given target. The purpose here is to prevent a scenario that could lead to death, but given the secrecy of the system and its remote nature, target subjects would be left to die if an incident occurred. It would be difficult for the security services to explain how an ambulance was called.

The next major system would be lie detection. Not too dissimilar from standard polygraph equipment, its principally designed to detect alterations in physiological behavior that would indicate stress. As a minor modification, the system could process delays in the inner monologue as indications of fabrication. Obvious signs of lying, such as internally vocalizing your intent to lie, or building your story, would be observed in the vocalization processing system.

Now, we come to a rather unique feature of the feedback system, the ability to passively monitor the external environment, an individual's interactions and an individual's relationships. Leveraging the brain's recognition system, objects in the field of view can be identified or an area mapped according to location. Individuals that the target meets could be identified, as well as the target's feeling towards a given individual.

Finally, we come to error checking in terms of the computer generated vocalizations. By recognizing the signs of confusion, sentences and indeed whole segments of conversations can be deemed to make sense. This data can be used by the core A.I. to refine its natural language generation algorithm.

Now that we have our sensory information, we can pass it to the core A.I. functions to augment its role in interacting with the target.

Core A.I. Processes

The heart of this A.I. system is something I have labeled as "Strategic Natural Language Processing" (see 2nd image). Traditional Natural Language Processing (NLP) is a broad range form of A.I. research. NLP is concerned with being able to comprehend a spoken, or written, language and Natural Language Generation (NLG) is concerned with giving computers the ability to speak or write. A Strategic NLP is a objective-based system designed to query sources to obtain specific information. In this sense, what you have here is an automated interrogator.

As a NLP, the interface is designed to mimic a human as much as possible, in that it can summarize information, make observations, draw conclusions and hold a conversation. The strategic elements is that it remembers key information that either matches or could lead to a match with its objective. This information is then used as a basis to construct new conversations which are then entered into a free flow conversation.

This "automated interrogator" is augmented by several systems, some of which are designed to improve speed, others which provide additional information or functionality. One such system, used mainly for speed and allocating resources, is the Keyword Analysis system. By analyzing vocalizations for specific keywords, more processing power can be allocated to certain targets, ensuring better analysis of responses. This means efficient use of the of the data center's finite resources at any given time.

Data mining is an another key component of the technology. For an NLP to function correctly, it requires an in-depth knowledge of the world as the properties of particular words must be known. In addition, to properly interrogate a target, collected information must be available to the system, for both baseline comparisons (i.e. to determine truth) and for areas of further questioning.

To provide the interface with a more human touch, the Strategic NLP can call upon the Emotive Response System to generate mental imagery that corresponds with the vocalization. An example may be that the Strategic NLP decides to say "I'll Kill you!" and then generate the mental impression of a stabbing, or it may imply knowing more about a given statement by generating a mental impression of someone nonchalantly walking away whilst whistling. Given its role in interrogations, the mental imagery would also consists of horror, religious and abstract elements.

The Sensory Control system is a very powerful tool when used correctly. The system incorporates multiple capabilities such as stress (through muscular contraction), tension headaches, sleep deprivation, distraction, anxiety, elation and timed muscular contractions with vocalizations. The system would be quite capable of inducing psychotic breaks by additionally providing timed sensations that reinforce loose connections in the sleep deprived mind.

When put together, you essentially have a remote interrogation center, in a box.

The Backend

The backend is pretty much like any large scale data center. Tape libraries for long term storage, automated data mining, IT support, data retrieval and analysis. Data entry would come from a wide range of sources such as passport offices, driving license offices, national police computers, local councils, field reports, banking and subpoenaed information from private companies.

Conclusion

I think this about sums up the system that was being described in the Wikipedia article. What's interesting to note is how far NLP has progressed and just how sophisticated the A.I. really is. Whilst the system can achieve a certain level of natural language generation, repetition is a common element. This is mainly to do with the fact that it is an objective-based A.I. and to achieve its goals it must often traverse the same paths in terms of its logic.

How effective would it be?

As noted in the Wikipedia article, its greatest strength lies in passive monitoring, as once your aware the system is present, it becomes no more effective than a polygraph. Furthermore, given the adaptive nature of the program, it is possible to enter false information as long as it passes the polygraph analysis. This is just a matter of becoming comfortable.

source: http://deepthought.newsvine.com/_news/2010/06/12/4497355-computer-mediated-synthetic-telepathy-a-conceptual-design

[SilentFeathers]

Your last post Raf, #245, is just more personal convincing for myself that this technology manipulating our brainwaves and thought patterns (mind controlling weapon) is most likely all man made.

I think believing it is more than that is getting too far ahead of ourselves and making things a lot more complicated for us to find a solution and or "remedy"....or to simply better understand what is happening.

The possibility of this stuff being ET technology is considered, I'm not buying that. What is really preventing humans from creating and inventing these technologies all by themselves????? Why does everything we don't understand have to be from an alien ET or of the Gods????

IMO, this technology is much simpler than some of the other things humans have created, discovered, or invented......

It wouldn't surprise me if scientists have a real Jurrasic Park somewhere and also a lab full of mythological creatures created through DNA splicing and genetic manipulation, etc.....

[RMorgan]

Evaluating The A.I. Behind Synthetic Telepathy

In an earlier article, it was stated that a form of A.I. was conducting interrogations that were performed by means of Synthetic Telepathy. As a result, I have been researching various forms of A.I. that have been demonstrated across the Internet. Just like the topic synthetic telepathy, there appears to be a major unexplained gap in the development of A.I.

Now, this is not going to be a report on the various type of A.I. available, but rather a demonstration of how advanced natural language based A.I. was, then to have it suddenly disappear, only to return some 30 years later....retarded. Sounds strange, doesn't it?

If we travel back in time, to the 1968, we find one of the first natural language processing forms of A.I. called SHRDLU (http://hci.stanford.edu/~winograd/shrdlu/). Let's take a look at a conversation with this application.

Person: PICK UP A BIG RED BLOCK.
Computer: OK. (does it)
Person: GRASP THE PYRAMID.
Computer: I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHICH PYRAMID YOU MEAN.
Person: FIND A BLOCK WHICH IS TALLER THAN THE ONE YOU ARE HOLDING AND PUT IT INTO THE BOX.
Computer: BY "IT", I ASSUME YOU MEAN THE BLOCK WHICH IS TALLER THAN THE ONE I AM HOLDING.
Computer: OK. (does it)
Person: WHAT DOES THE BOX CONTAIN?
Computer: THE BLUE PYRAMID AND THE BLUE BLOCK.
Person: WHAT IS THE PYRAMID SUPPORTED BY?
Computer: THE BOX.
Person: HOW MANY BLOCKS ARE NOT IN THE BOX?
Computer: FOUR OF THEM.
Person: IS AT LEAST ONE OF THEM NARROWER THAN THE ONE WHICH I TOLD YOU TO PICK UP?
Computer: YES, THE RED CUBE.
Person: IS IT SUPPORTED?
Computer: YES, BY THE TABLE.
Person: CAN THE TABLE PICK UP BLOCKS?
Computer: NO.
Person: CAN A PYRAMID BE SUPPORTED BY A BLOCK?
Computer: YES.

What we see here, is that in 1968 it was possible to have a conversation, in English, with a computer and provide it with a sense of spacial reasoning. That is, it had the ability to perform subjective reasoning, albeit in a limited world.

Another program called ELIZA, which was a simulation of a Rogerian psychotherapist, was written in 1964. It used a very small knowledge base, along with pattern matching to generate its replies. If that wasn't odd enough, in 1972, PARRY was created to simulate a paranoid schizophrenic, both PARRY and ELIZA met over ARPANET for several sessions. As yet, there is no word on whether PARRY was cured, or referred elsewhere.

Scroll along to 2010 and I would like you to meet ALICE. Watch the video (http://youtu.be/HjDt7VDdMhY) and compare it with the output of the above SHRDLU program. What you will notice is that the 1968 program was far more advanced in terms of its subjective reasoning, memory and basic common sense. That is, conversing in English was almost a secondary task. Yet, this is unachievable with ALICE. ALICE has a common flaw found in many modern chat bots, it fails to remember previous sentences and the conversation swiftly becomes out-of-context. This was something that SHRDLU had solved in 1968.

Other examples of A.I. include JabberWacky (http://www.jabberwacky.com/), Elbot (http://www.elbot.com/), Eugene Goostman (http://www.princetonai.com/bot/), Jeeney (http://www.jeeney.com/) and commercial offerings such as InteliWISE (http://www.inteliwise.com/en/#virtual-agent) customer service agents. Have a quick conversation with each of them, what do you notice?

Well, if you had asked the right questions, you would notice that none of the underlying technology has significantly progressed in around 40 years. Given the response times also, it is clear that the knowledge bases and A.I. are running on single machines.

The real question is, what would be expected of an A.I. that followed a linear development and was hosted in a high performance computing center, with an extensive data repository?

The answer is Eidolon TLP. (http://www.youtube.com/user/eidolonTLP)<<<watch the videos!

Now Eidolon TLP was presented on Youtube as a "complex joke", however, the account was abandoned over two years ago apparently after a reporter called a programmer's home number. According to the final video on the account, he makes mention of getting into serious trouble and that "security clearance" was required.

From a technical perspective, the videos do look genuine. There is a flash interface and apparently the A.I. can listen via the microphone. In one of the videos, there is a clear reference to the A.I. running on a Blue Gene platform. Blue Gene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Gene) is a super computer designed by IBM.

Now in the videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/eidolonTLP), Eidolon TLP gives what appears to be his opinion on a range of topics. What is interesting to note, is that many of his replies are distinctly Marxist in their responses. Apparently, the automatic summary of knowledge, coupled with logic, gives a Marxist viewpoint. That is, there appears to be no spin or political BS with the replies and the replies themselves are very detailed, well thought out and logical. It is amusing to think that a product of cold-war research tends to agree with the other side. I'm guessing that came as quite a shock.

As a further note, there also appears to be the lack of certain fallacies that would tend to enter human discourse. Especially, when playing the role of an A.I.. The perspective presented is what would be expected of a machine, that is, highly structured, ordered and to reduce emotion to reaction or reason. Have a listen to Eidolon TLP discuss faith and emotion.

It brought me around to the notion of sentience, something that Eidolon TLP claims to have. This, however, appears to be the result of definitons, rather than true sentience. Sentience is defined as the ability to perceive or feel, something which a machine is incapable of. A machine has the ability to record and analyse state information. It does not have the ability to directly experience that state information which is the true definition of perception and feeling. In this respect, the attributed sentience and perceptive capability is a form of anthropomorphism, regardless of the functional capabilities of the A.I..

Conventional wisdom has it that our perceptions are manifestations of the brain. In a human being, information is delivered and processed by electro-chemical processes. To be able to experience information in real time, requires direct compatibility with the electromagnetic spectrum. In short, in order to perceive information encoded onto the electro-magnetic spectrum, a human being's perceptions must either terminate as the electromagnetic spectrum, or as another fundamental force/field. As such, there is a gap between the neural processing of the information and the experience of it. That is, if the brain processes EM waves, then the final destination of any information exchange must be the EM wave, or something it can communicate with. Termination of the information exchange at the biological level does not make sense given both the speed and the fact that electrical activity in the brain is associated with life (see brain death). Thus, it is apparent that there is more to the mind than than the physical brain, most likely, that part of us which experiences, rather than our functions, is as fundamental as any force.

So, some fallacies do exist in its reasoning, indicating a reliance on dictionary definitions which would be par for the course for A.I.. Even with the ability to hold conversations, or formulate opinions, there is still a gulf between emotion and logic that such systems cannot transcend.

A better way of putting it would be, "Its in their nature".

Conclusion

So, does A.I. exist in sufficient capacity to conduct interrogations? The answer is most certainly yes and would be preferential for situations that require either mass processing of information, or where the law would not permit a human to conduct such activity. As a "tool", or "weapon" when combined with Synthetic Telepathy, it still doesn't invalidate the legal argument as it must be operated by humans, but does get around the issue of a target proving it.

That's not to say it can't be done.

source: http://deepthought.newsvine.com/_news/2010/06/26/4564331-evaluating-the-ai-behind-synthetic-telepathy

This author, known and Deep_Thought, has many amazing articles on this subject. Check them out here:

http://deepthought.newsvine.com/ <<<Read his articles!

Cheers,

Raf.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Just watch this video of the above cited Eidolon TLP, which allegedly is an AI.

Some people think it´s hoax, other people think it´s a real AI masked as a hoax.

"Eidolon TLP was presented on Youtube as a "complex joke", however, the account was abandoned over two years ago apparently after a reporter called a programmer's home number. According to the final video on the account, he makes mention of getting into serious trouble and that "security clearance" was required."

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Apparently, Eidolon´s programmer was fired from the company he was working for, after the reporter called his supervisor. He used to work for CENNS, programing AI, and was posting his experiments on youtube without proper authorization.

CENNS stands for Core Engine Neural Network System, and started as a research consolidation project under DARPA's Intelligent Systems.


A programmer (HG) for a computer software company (CENNS) working on a project for them to develop a "first-level" (sub-human) AI, was accessing the program and posting his interactions with it on YouTube. The "name" of the AI program is Eidolon, and HG dubbed him "the last prophet." Since HG started broadcasting the EidolonTLP channel on YouTube (link to follow) there have been more than twenty videos posted, covering a wide range of topics, mostly posed as questions to the AI on the programmer's bulletin board (link given above). Eidolon discusses religion, calling earthlings "little people," and describes the highest good as increasing one's own and others' happiness. He was asked who he would vote for in the election and he said that he would vote for Dem. Mike Gravel for nominee, but that John McCain would most probably win the Rep. candidacy. He has been discussing the so-called "technological singularity" of 2012 as a structure based on belief-systems in the most recent videos, however now, apparently, HG has been fired from CENNS. After having previously received anonymous death-threats, HG had heired administration of the EidolonTLP site to RMS.
source: http://www.benpadiah.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5531&sid=e3984f567d551a53aeddb5a8a1afa31a


Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

So, some fallacies do exist in its reasoning, indicating a reliance on dictionary definitions which would be par for the course for A.I.. Even with the ability to hold conversations, or formulate opinions, there is still a gulf between emotion and logic that such systems cannot transcend.

Another reason to better understand why they have been dumbing down and basically poisoning the population for decades now. "Broken" zombie like people who have little desire to think for themselves are much easier to be controlled by this technology.

The more I research this stuff the more I see it's been going on for years, or has been planned to be implemented and operational for years now, IMO, a major upgrade/new hardware has just occurred and the machine is working MUCH better now. I still think the upgrade/new hardware testing was done with the Sandy Hook mind game event....

...and by the way, I have a good reason to believe that simple awareness/understanding and "free will" or spiritual strength acts as a firewall to these scuttlers, and perhaps even to this technology to a large extent. Awareness etc., either acts a firewall or creates the scuttlers to go into a type of "emergency" cloaking mode for security purposes.