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Hip Hipnotist
3rd February 2013, 22:08
For your Sunday reading pleasure.

And posted in the NY Times of all places.

Next thing you know Piers Morgan ( remember him? ) will admit to owning an assault
rifle and that ET's are real. Perhaps he even shot a few.

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Posted on February 3, 2013 by Admin

New York Times – by Michelle Alexander

THOUSANDS of people plead guilty to crimes every year in the United States because they know that the odds of a jury’s believing their word over a police officer’s are slim to none. As a juror, whom are you likely to believe: the alleged criminal in an orange jumpsuit or two well-groomed police officers in uniforms who just swore to God they’re telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but? As one of my colleagues recently put it, “Everyone knows you have to be crazy to accuse the police of lying.”

But are police officers necessarily more trustworthy than alleged criminals? I think not. Not just because the police have a special inclination toward confabulation, but because, disturbingly, they have an incentive to lie. In this era of mass incarceration, the police shouldn’t be trusted any more than any other witness, perhaps less so.

That may sound harsh, but numerous law enforcement officials have put the matter more bluntly. Peter Keane, a former San Francisco Police commissioner, wrote an article in The San Francisco Chronicle decrying a police culture that treats lying as the norm: “Police officer perjury in court to justify illegal dope searches is commonplace. One of the dirty little not-so-secret secrets of the criminal justice system is undercover narcotics officers intentionally lying under oath. It is a perversion of the American justice system that strikes directly at the rule of law. Yet it is the routine way of doing business in courtrooms everywhere in America.”

The New York City Police Department is not exempt from this critique. In 2011, hundreds of drug cases were dismissed after several police officers were accused of mishandling evidence. That year, Justice Gustin L. Reichbach of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn condemned a widespread culture of lying and corruption in the department’s drug enforcement units. “I thought I was not naïve,” he said when announcing a guilty verdict involving a police detective who had planted crack cocaine on a pair of suspects. “But even this court was shocked, not only by the seeming pervasive scope of misconduct but even more distressingly by the seeming casualness by which such conduct is employed.”

Remarkably, New York City officers have been found to engage in patterns of deceit in cases involving charges as minor as trespass. In September it was reported that the Bronx district attorney’s office was so alarmed by police lying that it decided to stop prosecuting people who were stopped and arrested for trespassing at public housing projects, unless prosecutors first interviewed the arresting officer to ensure the arrest was actually warranted. Jeannette Rucker, the chief of arraignments for the Bronx district attorney, explained in a letter that it had become apparent that the police were arresting people even when there was convincing evidence that they were innocent. To justify the arrests, Ms. Rucker claimed, police officers provided false written statements, and in depositions, the arresting officers gave false testimony.

Mr. Keane, in his Chronicle article, offered two major reasons the police lie so much. First, because they can. Police officers “know that in a swearing match between a drug defendant and a police officer, the judge always rules in favor of the officer.” At worst, the case will be dismissed, but the officer is free to continue business as usual. Second, criminal defendants are typically poor and uneducated, often belong to a racial minority, and often have a criminal record. “Police know that no one cares about these people,” Mr. Keane explained.

All true, but there is more to the story than that.

Police departments have been rewarded in recent years for the sheer numbers of stops, searches and arrests. In the war on drugs, federal grant programs like the Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grant Program have encouraged state and local law enforcement agencies to boost drug arrests in order to compete for millions of dollars in funding. Agencies receive cash rewards for arresting high numbers of people for drug offenses, no matter how minor the offenses or how weak the evidence. Law enforcement has increasingly become a numbers game. And as it has, police officers’ tendency to regard procedural rules as optional and to lie and distort the facts has grown as well. Numerous scandals involving police officers lying or planting drugs — in Tulia, Tex. and Oakland, Calif., for example — have been linked to federally funded drug task forces eager to keep the cash rolling in.

The pressure to boost arrest numbers is not limited to drug law enforcement. Even where no clear financial incentives exist, the “get tough” movement has warped police culture to such a degree that police chiefs and individual officers feel pressured to meet stop-and-frisk or arrest quotas in order to prove their “productivity.”

For the record, the New York City police commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly, denies that his department has arrest quotas. Such denials are mandatory, given that quotas are illegal under state law. But as the Urban Justice Center’s Police Reform Organizing Project has documented, numerous officers have contradicted Mr. Kelly. In 2010, a New York City police officer named Adil Polanco told a local ABC News reporter that “our primary job is not to help anybody, our primary job is not to assist anybody, our primary job is to get those numbers and come back with them.” He continued: “At the end of the night you have to come back with something. You have to write somebody, you have to arrest somebody, even if the crime is not committed, the number’s there. So our choice is to come up with the number.”

Exposing police lying is difficult largely because it is rare for the police to admit their own lies or to acknowledge the lies of other officers. This reluctance derives partly from the code of silence that governs police practice and from the ways in which the system of mass incarceration is structured to reward dishonesty. But it’s also because police officers are human.

Research shows that ordinary human beings lie a lot — multiple times a day — even when there’s no clear benefit to lying. Generally, humans lie about relatively minor things like “I lost your phone number; that’s why I didn’t call” or “No, really, you don’t look fat.” But humans can also be persuaded to lie about far more important matters, especially if the lie will enhance or protect their reputation or standing in a group.

The natural tendency to lie makes quota systems and financial incentives that reward the police for the sheer numbers of people stopped, frisked or arrested especially dangerous. One lie can destroy a life, resulting in the loss of employment, a prison term and relegation to permanent second-class status. The fact that our legal system has become so tolerant of police lying indicates how corrupted our criminal justice system has become by declarations of war, “get tough” mantras, and a seemingly insatiable appetite for locking up and locking out the poorest and darkest among us.

And, no, I’m not crazy for thinking so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/why-police-officers-lie-under-oath.html?pagewanted=1&_r=5&

ulli
3rd February 2013, 22:31
While the content of the article is neither news nor good news,
the fact that it was reported in a MSM paper like the NYTimes is
both real news as well as good news.

Arrowwind
3rd February 2013, 23:07
But what little good it will do. We all know police lie and not only that they steal. Knowing what we already know and talking about it is not too likely to change anything. They have the guns and the power so why should they change? What could possibly motivate them to become good people after being slime balls for so long? They also tend to have a greater statistical rate of being abusive at home.

If your a thief your also a liar. They go hand in hand. Many cops steal stuff from residences and individuals. They dont get caught becasue its hard to prove. Like - before they came into your house and searched it you had $50 in your drawer, after they left it was gone.

of course not every cop is like this.. probably most of them though.

The Cato Institute tries to keep track of some of the stuff more severe than lying. misconduct-statistical-report/#_Misconduct_Per_Capita (http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistical-report/#_Misconduct_Per_Capita)

Tesla_WTC_Solution
3rd February 2013, 23:17
in the seattle jail, inmates are lucky to get to go to church and gym a paltry one time per week, sometimes only twice a month or less.
they live on a largely soy diet, the messaging system is inhumanely time consuming, and sick/injured/pregnant people get abused sometimes.

they don't let you out to shower if you land in solitary for a night, even if you have a rash,
and if your finger is the size of a hot dog because three cops sat on it in the holding cell,
it doesn't matter, the nurse is on hold til tuesday. let the thing fall off.

the police do have an incentive to lie here. especially the racist ones who shoot before they think.
can't count the # of recent brutality incidents.
I am just lucky nothing was broken, just f'ed up.

you know, there was a cop here who stole from the slain officers fund and went to vegas with enough to buy a widow's house.

there was another who shot an indian woodcarver over carrying a pocketknife through an intersection.

and the one who hurt my hand, he had shot and killed a suspect who allegedly had a gun then xferred down here like lots of scary cops.

our police chief came from LA lmao, i think. hopefully not the rodney king years, but you get the damned idea :(

ghostrider
4th February 2013, 00:26
the mainstream talking about police lying is just another drip to make the public angry at the system , their goal remember is martial law, it will be justified in the ptb's eyes when the public has no respect for law and order and beengins to fall into chaos ...even if it will be manufactured by the elite ...

Carmody
4th February 2013, 01:03
the same thing goes on in DHS and national security circles.

That paranoid people are hired to write projections of potentials, that they are hired to write up scenarios,and bake up potentials.

That they are hired because they are paranoid and that if they successfully incite paranoia in the government branches that hire them to write paranoid things..that they will be hired some more to write even more paranoid reports and paid handsomely for even more ridiculous paranoia.

I'm deadly serious about this.

I had a long conversation with someone who does exactly that.

That he is hired by various three letter agencies, all over north America to do exactly these things....all due to the quality of his paranoid capacities to project.

Flash
4th February 2013, 03:33
in a paranoia context, your comment below is rather funny


I'm deadly serious about this.

What will happen Carmody? death? :p

Vitalux
4th February 2013, 03:39
in the seattle jail, inmates are lucky to get to go to church and gym a paltry one time per week, sometimes only twice a month or less.
they live on a largely soy diet, the messaging system is inhumanely time consuming, and sick/injured/pregnant people get abused sometimes.

they don't let you out to shower if you land in solitary for a night, even if you have a rash,
and if your finger is the size of a hot dog because three cops sat on it in the holding cell,
it doesn't matter, the nurse is on hold til tuesday. let the thing fall off.

the police do have an incentive to lie here. especially the racist ones who shoot before they think.
can't count the # of recent brutality incidents.
I am just lucky nothing was broken, just f'ed up.

you know, there was a cop here who stole from the slain officers fund and went to vegas with enough to buy a widow's house.

there was another who shot an indian woodcarver over carrying a pocketknife through an intersection.

and the one who hurt my hand, he had shot and killed a suspect who allegedly had a gun then xferred down here like lots of scary cops.

our police chief came from LA lmao, i think. hopefully not the rodney king years, but you get the damned idea :(


So with all your experience, who is the enemy? ( this is a rhetorical question)
The cop sees you as the enemy, you see the cop as the enemy.

Just a point for you to ponder.

sigma6
4th February 2013, 04:13
In my experiences cops lie systematically and steal... it is baked right into the culture... the history goes back to them basically being the original thugs... Now they arrest first and foremost any "competition"... and the 'run' the rest of it...
The lie, take bribes, steal, because there is absolutely no incentive to tell the truth, that is how the system is set up. The chose the job for psychological compensation in the first place, the easy ticket, the association, the freemason connections, the group mentality, the immunity from the law.... hey look at me, I got a gun, bullet proof vest, baton, cuffs, spray, new car every year... I used to do security and getting more hardware was tempting... but it becomes a crutch and the more hardware you got the more you are itching to "try it out" .... which is why you see so many cops tasering people... hell for them in their f***ed up self created identity, they are just playing a video game....

The Police at the highest levels, create the crime, I heard on the radio that the police were asking for a 3.5% increase in my city, saying it amounted to an extra 5 million... that means they are getting 142 million a year already.... so we are paying these parasites $40,000 A DAY!!! So they can abuse us, steal our money, property, fine us and jail us... ON TOP OF THAT... AND that is just one city!!! $40,000 a day!!! what could a city do with that money instead? $40,000 A DAY... 280,000 a week, $1,200,000 a month! Flushed down the toilet month after month after month.... And what about the courts? This is a joke....

WE ARE STILL LIVING IN THE DARK AGES...

sigma6
11th February 2013, 16:07
the same thing goes on in DHS and national security circles.

That paranoid people are hired to write projections of potentials, that they are hired to write up scenarios,and bake up potentials.

That they are hired because they are paranoid and that if they successfully incite paranoia in the government branches that hire them to write paranoid things..that they will be hired some more to write even more paranoid reports and paid handsomely for even more ridiculous paranoia.

I'm deadly serious about this.

I had a long conversation with someone who does exactly that.

That he is hired by various three letter agencies, all over north America to do exactly these things....all due to the quality of his paranoid capacities to project.

They have every reason to be paranoid. In their case it wouldn't be considered irrational.