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bennycog
6th February 2013, 12:43
Hi Avalon,

I have been sifting through as i normally do and wanted to discuss the relevence of the Remote viewing operations and their goal.. Whether it be another way to make money or have the subconscious on their side to push forward future events..

Ed Dames, trained by Ingo Swan. Had left the army intelligence program, ( as a Operations & Training officer of the military remote viewing unit) because of the observation of a killshot from the sun.. And in the meanwhile has had Remote Viewing operations to predict such things as the Japan earthquake and tsunami..

He and his RVers have also placed events as precursers to the killshot..

1) The Korean Peninsula nuked by North Korea..
2) What looks to be a space shuttle forced down by meteors..

Relevent here is the new tests to be conducted by North Korea.. All eyes on right now..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-05/north-korea-may-conduct-double-nuke-test/4500698

The report in the Chosun Ilbo newspaper in Seoul suggests the two nuclear tests could be conducted either simultaneously or in quick succession.

That assessment is based on satellite images showing brisk activity at two tunnels at the nuclear test site in the closed communist state.

Ed Dames website is heavily focused on drawing people into becoming Remote Viewers and i have been worried it could be to use these people to create a hive to bring forth events

http://www.learnrv.com/
http://www.eddamespredictions.com/

What do you guys think of any of this? here is a documentary interview of his..

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Is dumbing us down going to distract us from finding salvation and a way to survive an upcoming event?

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Is it really the sun that is the major cause for any upcoming event ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46312-Tap-on-Tap-off-the-tapper.&highlight=unified+field+theory

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54402-Dave-LaPoint-s-Primer-Fields--was-Bizarre-Discovery-at-CERN...-Plasma-Energy-changing-the-world--&highlight=bowl+magnets

bennycog
6th February 2013, 12:47
I probably left it a little late to start this thread as i have to get to bed it is late here :) but i was searching and brainstorming so had to get it out there..

RMorgan
6th February 2013, 12:58
Hey Benny,

Honestly, whenever I look at him, I don´t feel he can be trusted. This is a personal thing, though.

Anyway, show me one thing that he actually predicted before it happened.

As far as I know, he´s always saying that he predicted this or that after something happens, with no links to documents proving that he actually made the prediction before an event.

In this sense, he´s more like a post-dictor than a pre-dictor.

How about all his talk about not being able remote viewing anything after 21/12/2012? Well, the world is still here and no cataclysmic event happened.

I´ll only believe these folks when I see documented proof that they actually predicted an event.

So far, I´ve only seen remote viewing groups failing time after time.

Cheers,

Raf.

Calz
6th February 2013, 13:14
Never was comfortable with Ed Dames simply based on some of his radio interviews.

As for remote viewing we will have a near perfect "test" as to it's merit or lack thereof coming soon based on the "Earth Change" remote viewing project run by Courtney Brown's group.

_________________________



Post-2012 Earth Changes

A Global Climate Change Remote-Viewing Study
Multiple Realities, Timelines, and Events

Introduction: We at The Farsight Institute are currently engaged in a fascinating study using remote viewing to study climate and planetary change between the years 2008 and 2013. The initial results appear dramatic on a global scale, and our research does indeed suggest that major global change is a possibility between now and 2013. However, web site visitors are reminded that this is research, not certitude. Remember what Albert Einstein once said, "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it?" Web site visitors are encouraged to examine all of our results carefully, and learn with us as we complete this experiment in mid-2013. We will not fully understand these remote-viewing data until the experiment is completed at that time. Importantly, this experiment has no connection with the Mayan Calendar hysteria related to 21 December 2012. This is an experiment that ends on 1 June 2013, and the data will be fully evaluated only after that date. Also, note that these analyses are the product of the Chief Investigator for this project, Courtney Brown. Other investigators using other methods of analyses may analyze these data and come to different conclusions. HRVG and CRV methods of analysis in particular tend to be more nuanced than some of the analyses presented below.

How we obtain these results is a bit complicated, but it is worth the effort to understand our methods. The actual types of global change is discussed in the second part of the video presentation below, but the first part of this presentation is absolutely essential to understand how these results were obtained. Web site visitors should watch both parts of the video presentation. This presentation was given during the 29th Annual Meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration in Boulder, Colorado in June 2010.

This is the most carefully collected set of professional-grade remote-viewing data involving this time span that currently exists. This experiment is potentially one of the most significant experiments ever attempted using remote viewing as a data-collection platform.

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Principal Investigator: Courtney Brown
Remote Viewers: HRVG viewers led by Glenn Wheaton and CRV viewers led by Lyn Buchanan.

Initial Results:

This project describes change between the years 2008 and 2013 across nine geographical locations with a global spread. The locations are

1. Vaitupu, Tuvalu
2. Fort Jesus, Mombasa Kenya
3. Sydney Opera House, Sydney, Australia
4. Mount Kilimanjaro, Tanzania
5. United States Congress Building, Washington, D.C.
6. Malé International Airport, Malé, Maldives
7. KITV Building, Honolulu, Hawaii
8. The Vehicle Assembly Building at Launch Complex 39, Kennedy Space Center, Merritt Island, Florida
9. Key West, Florida

In general, these remote-viewing data suggest the following types of physical changes across many of the above geographical locations by mid-2013:

1. Impacts from what appear to be large meteors leading to tsunamis and possible volcanism
2. Extensive and forceful flooding of coastal areas
3. Excessive solar radiation
4. Storms and other severe weather

In terms of the effects of these changes on humans, these data also suggest:

1. Massive self-organized relocation from coastal areas (refugees)
2. The breakdown of rescue or other notable governmental functioning
3. The breakdown of the food supply system
4. The breakdown of the vehicular transport system
5. Extensive loss of buildings near coasts

Oddly, these results largely parallel recent warnings being issued by NASA relating to the dangers of severe solar storms anticipated around the years 2012 and 2013 that would threaten the global long-term use of electricity. NASA is not currently explaining exactly why these unprecedented and severe storms are anticipated, but the warnings themselves could not be more clear. Meteor impacts are not included in the current set of NASA warnings.

For this project, all targets are assigned two timelines for the date 1 June 2013. This allows us to attempt to use remote viewing to describe alternative futures by specifying characteristics of future timelines. Web site visitors who are not familiar with our research into multiple realities might want to view this introductory video presentation on the subject.

The two 2013 timelines examined in this study are

Timeline A: 1 June 2013, 12 noon target local time, following the timeline in which the leadership of the mainstream global scientific establishment continues to ignore or deny (1) the reality of the remote-viewing phenomenon, and (2) the existence of life not originating from Earth.

Timeline B: 1 June 2013, 12 noon target local time, following the timeline in which by the end of 2009 leaders of the mainstream global scientific establishment publicly recognize (1) the reality of the remote-viewing phenomenon, and (2) the existence of life not originating from Earth.

The results of this study do suggest that there is a difference between the two timelines. These data suggest that the impact of planetary change is less severe for Timeline B as compared with Timeline A. This suggests that having the mainstream scientific community openly acknowledge the reality of remote viewing and life (even microbial) not originating on Earth may help ameliorate the impact of severe planetary change, perhaps by giving people a greater chance to prepare for the changes. The Key West target was added late in the study to explore a timeline in which the scientific community recognizes the reality of remote viewing and the existence of extraterrestrial life by 2011.


http://farsight.org/demo/Demo2008/RV_Demo_2008_Page1.html

RMorgan
6th February 2013, 13:43
Yes Calz, We´ll know soon enough.

Judging by previous remote viewers predictions, I don´t think nothing like this will happen, but who knows...



1. Impacts from what appear to be large meteors leading to tsunamis and possible volcanism
2. Extensive and forceful flooding of coastal areas
3. Excessive solar radiation
4. Storms and other severe weather

Number 3 and 4 are invalid in my opinion, anyway. "Excessive solar radiation" and "Storms and other severe weather" always happen from time to time. These are pretty flexible and vague predictions.

I´ll only believe their claims if something like stated in number 1 and 2 happens.

Raf.

DNA
6th February 2013, 13:50
The Ed Dames kill shot does worry me. In Val Valarien's Matrix Series, Val states back in 1988 that the US has known for some time that a solar event is going to take place, and that is why the chemtrails were instituted.
I've heard all of the crazy theories for chemtrails, and I think most of them are disinformation, I think Val may have had it right back in 88'.

ljwheat
6th February 2013, 13:55
Hey Benny,

Honestly, whenever I look at him, I don´t feel he can be trusted. This is a personal thing, though.

Anyway, show me one thing that he actually predicted before it happened.

As far as I know, he´s always saying that he predicted this or that after something happens, with no links to documents proving that he actually made the prediction before an event.

In this sense, he´s more like a post-dictor than a pre-dictor.

How about all his talk about not being able remote viewing anything after 21/12/2012? Well, the world is still here and no cataclysmic event happened.

I´ll only believe these folks when I see documented proof that they actually predicted an event.

So far, I´ve only seen remote viewing groups failing time after time.

Cheers,

Raf.

Actually the date is 3/21/2013 where RV’s cant see past from all over the world different languages, different country’s and the majority don’t know each other let alone have ever met.


The money pored into this discipline by the elite over the last 20 years or more have prompted them to dig holes in the earth to hide from what’s coming in march of this year.

Governments of the world don’t put trillions of dollar’s in building underground city’s for nothing.

What these RV’s globally are not seeing a kill shot, but say it’s a bump in time they cant see past and what they have always saw looking at this over the years is the same across the board -- nothing but white light from the bump on word.

Their used to be allot of referenced material on the net all about this and is being taken down and diapering. The only thing remaining is this Ed Dames material on kill shot viewing. Either way come the end of march you can poo poo it again as bunk or ----------- what ever this white light and nothing else ---- either way the end of march will come.

Marikins
6th February 2013, 14:03
I often think that the most likely explanation for underground cities and preparation for martial law is the high likilihood of a CME, or killshot. Even if only the Internet goes down it would disrupt the food delivery system. If the grid goes down there will be chaos in the cities. I sometimes think this is the real reason for DHS to arm municipal police forces like an army.

RMorgan
6th February 2013, 14:09
Hi again folks,

The thing is, what is his documented success rate?

Really, if he predicted something that actually happened, not something vague, but something peculiar, and documented his prediction so it can work as proof, then I want to see it.

So far, as far as I know, there´s no document showing that he actually successfully predicted anything.

So, why should I believe his prediction about this "kill shot"?

The military use of remote viewing is completely different. They don´t rely on it alone, they use it as just one of many intelligence tools; cross-referencing each other on a very complex data gathering process.

Raf.

greybeard
6th February 2013, 14:20
Without having a belief on this.

There is an asteroid (or is it comet) due to come between quite a few satellites and Earth in the middle of this month (suspicious observers).
It wont hit earth.
Seems that could put on quite a show and may effect the electro magnetics near earth--- that alone is not good news for communication satellites.
Furthermore Drumvelo in a recent talk said that Dec 21st 2012 was said by the Mayans to be the least likely date for an event and that there is a window of opportunity that covers several years.

Drumvelo thought MId February this year a likely time.
He said that the Mayan's are excited about the possibility of an upgraded consciousness.

These days I am very cautious about joining dots.

Chris

Referee
6th February 2013, 14:21
Hey Benny,

Honestly, whenever I look at him, I don´t feel he can be trusted. This is a personal thing, though.

Anyway, show me one thing that he actually predicted before it happened.


As far as I know, he´s always saying that he predicted this or that after something happens, with no links to documents proving that he actually made the prediction before an event.

In this sense, he´s more like a post-dictor than a pre-dictor.

How about all his talk about not being able remote viewing anything after 21/12/2012? Well, the world is still here and no cataclysmic event happened.

I´ll only believe these folks when I see documented proof that they actually predicted an event.

So far, I´ve only seen remote viewing groups failing time after time.

Cheers,

Raf.

Actually the date is 3/21/2013 where RV’s cant see past from all over the world different languages, different country’s and the majority don’t know each other let alone have ever met.


The money pored into this discipline by the elite over the last 20 years or more have prompted them to dig holes in the earth to hide from what’s coming in march of this year.

Governments of the world don’t put trillions of dollar’s in building underground city’s for nothing.

What these RV’s globally are not seeing a kill shot, but say it’s a bump in time they cant see past and what they have always saw looking at this over the years is the same across the board -- nothing but white light from the bump on word.

Their used to be allot of referenced material on the net all about this and is being taken down and diapering. The only thing remaining is this Ed Dames material on kill shot viewing. Either way come the end of march you can poo poo it again as bunk or ----------- what ever this white light and nothing else ---- either way the end of march will come.

ljwheat where dose this date come from? You may be interested in the below video seems to corroborate that date

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ljwheat
6th February 2013, 14:42
That’s the point, I’m saying Ed Dames is the ruse to get you looking at the slight of hand away from watching the other hand and what it has been doing the last two decades based on the real RV’s investigation into this bump in time come march of this year. In witch all that material has been taken down or remove, Globally.

And Ed Dames and cohorts with this Kill shot crap is the only thing playing on the world stage right now. And its worked as no ones talking about this bump in time anymore and all reference to it is gone.

778 neighbour of some guy
6th February 2013, 14:50
If i were Ed Dames, i would be the owner of several emergy supplies wholesale bussines and spread the message of doom and land me some big bucks, makes me wonder what his portfolio looks like, ghehehehe, i dont trust the man for some reason, nor the CIA nor NASA for obvious reasons.

Ever wondered why the big boys own most of the stock in the bigger diy stores, because everything they destroy ( using our tax money) has to be build up again, you pay twice, once for your own destruction and once for getting on your feet again. ( think Marshall plan here WW2, or Irak, Afghanistan, South america, Africa).

Keltikmuse
6th February 2013, 14:54
I have only been discussing this today as I read the book by Joseph McMoneagle recently. Not sure what I believe but I do believe it is possible...but doesn't RV enable you to see what is in the here and now? and not the future? Just a thought.

ljwheat
6th February 2013, 14:59
1;51;55 in to this interview 3/21/2013 is brought forward. underground bases, and off world jumps before this date.

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andrewgreen
6th February 2013, 15:07
Just another 2012, not 'kill shot' but 'bull ****'.

Tesla_WTC_Solution
6th February 2013, 15:31
I drew a picture of a sun killshot if I understand you properly. It's like a Verneshot but on the sun's surface instead of the earth's.

This was in 2010 (summer) I believe. Do you know what year he made the prediction and left the dept?


---> I am interested in learning more about remote viewing, here is my invitation for you to educate me right here!!!!! <----

Calz
6th February 2013, 15:39
---> I am interested in learning more about remote viewing, here is my invitation for you to educate me right here!!!!! <----

http://farsight.org/index.html

(caveat ... I don't rv ... a few on the forum do ... but this would be a good place to start)

Tesla_WTC_Solution
6th February 2013, 20:52
Thank you very much!
and thanks for this thread!

bennycog
6th February 2013, 21:29
Good morning avalon,

Hi Rmorgan, I understand that many RVing insights have not come to pass for ED. I am not here to prove him wrong or right. I am trying to find out whether he is still an ongong part of the military to further thier agenda, as just one spoke in the wheel..

in this site it does mention of the japan quake and nuclear facility damage but people had said he got it wrong.. just the year i guess..

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/dames2.htm
9 october 2004
His second piece of proof is to find some 150 year old gold treasure. He will bring it to Art's house as proof. All this to happen in December 2004. Late 2005 will see large earthquakes in Japan causing damage to nuclear reactors. [Did not happen]

Hi Tesla. i see he joined the Army in 1967 as a paratrooper but am still searching for the date he left.. thankyou

Wind
12th February 2013, 21:53
:bump:

This is an interestind thread.

Phoenix1304
20th March 2013, 02:18
Hi all, I saw Kill Shot the other night when Greybeard posted it on another thread. (Thanks btw GB I often forget to go back and thank a poster). I then listened to a Coast to Coast interview and Noory certainly endorsed him and his credentials and his apparently accurate predictions like Fukushima, is Noory a disinformation agent too?

It had the production values of a Hollywood blockbuster, complete with almost comically dramatic over the top VoiceOver artist, this raised flags for me right away but I stuck with it, he seemed very genuine, so the man is out of the CIA/ military complex, but is the CIA outta the man? I viewed with a healthy dose of suspicion, despite its winning and dramatic presentation.

Other 'flags' included his statement that South America is obliterated basically and the Northern hemisphere the safe haven which goes completely against the grain, (steeped in Nostradamus predictions as I am), are they trying to stop the growing exodus South of the Border? Then his website where he promises the very secret military RV technique, for a price. You gotta wonder if they aren't all having a good laugh over it up at Bohemian Grove.

I also thought it was the 21.12.12 that they couldn't see beyond so thanks for putting us right LJ, we don't have long to wait on this one anyway. Hollywood also prepped us for this with "Knowing". So, did the caring US government instruct him to go out and warn people and teach RVing so we all had a chance to see for ourselves where we need to be? Maybe those that have done the course and do RVing could enlighten us, we have members that do it? If we're all crispy critters by Friday, it won't much matter.

I searched for this thread wondering if there'd been a discussion of it, I'm also interested in members feelings about it. It does seem that his RVers predict stuff that is already under suspicion of being perpetrated as opposed to natural disaster, like Fukushima, Iran and N.Korea. Are they planning to sabotage a shuttle in the run up?

He also said that the soldiers are all looking up, and then it was over and they went home. That's nice. Maybe prep for Project Blue Beam for the survivors?

Aren't we all getting tired of feeling apocalyptic, perhaps some of us are rather hoping the slate will be wiped clean, but really survival isn't a pretty option in such a scenario.

Personally, I lean toward the disinformation verdict with little idea why they would want to do that, I can't imagine it's to create the reality as relatively little attention is being paid to him and his predictions, witness this thread...but thanks for starting it and to those that have contributed.

Peace. Out.

Hervé
20th March 2013, 03:57
There's been much mud slinging between Ed Dames and Gerald O'Donnell, the latter stating that Dames never actually made it to the RV crew...

Anyway, O'Donnell's website: http://probablefuture.com/

spiritwind
20th March 2013, 13:26
There's been much mud slinging between Ed Dames and Gerald O'Donnell, the latter stating that Dames never actually made it to the RV crew...

Anyway, O'Donnell's website: http://probablefuture.com/

Thank you for this Amzer Zo. Just a quick glance and I know I want to spend considerably more time there. I read Paul Smith's Reading the Enemy's Mind when it came out a few years ago and I've always had a few questions about Ed Dames. Just read Ingo Swan's Penetration (thanks to Avalon) and find this whole topic quite fascinating. My mind continues to be stretched and actually a lot of this info confirms what that little voice in my head has been telling me for years. We really are all living in a sci-fi movie. Gives a whole new meaning to the twi-light zone.

Phoenix1304
21st March 2013, 11:55
Current Events

It occurred to me that even if Dames is a disinfo agent, we know this includes truths mixed with lies, so following his 'predictions' might be a way of knowing what is being planned to some extent.

Current events have me watching very closely...

http://rt.com/news/north-korea-air-raid-alert-568/

Obama's mobile panic room, the one he had shipped to Israel for his visit, was apparently filled with the wrong fuel on day one so they had to ship a limo in from Jordan, not his usual hi-tech protection; missiles being shot from Gaza into Israel right now, no-one claims responsibility.

I don't know what members feel about the Before Its News website, delicious amount of fear porn on there, but nonetheless, this caught my attention.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/03/march-22nd-2013-staged-event-warning-from-russian-intel-2598404.html

Any thoughts?

For all these developments, personally I felt an enormous relief yesterday, the dark cloud that has pretty much consumed me for 6 weeks, lifted. So today, I'm able to spend some time sending soothing energies to North Korea. For what it's worth. Happy Equinox

Phoenix1304
21st March 2013, 12:23
There's been much mud slinging between Ed Dames and Gerald O'Donnell, the latter stating that Dames never actually made it to the RV crew...

Anyway, O'Donnell's website: http://probablefuture.com/

Hi Amzer

This site is a sales page for RV training, sounds fabulous, I clicked 'more' but freeze at that internet marketing business model. Blech. But am I missing something? Has anyone here ever bought, used and testified to it's value?

Besides, if the secret's out of this incredible military technique, is there anywhere I can learn about it for free? Surely, someone has spilled it on the net....

RMorgan
21st March 2013, 12:36
Besides, if the secret's out of this incredible military technique, is there anywhere I can learn about it for free? Surely, someone has spilled it on the net....

Search for Ed Dames on your favorite torrent website; There are two entire courses available for free, the "Remote Viewing Training Course" and the "Remote Viewing Financial Markets".

Honestly, I think it´s not worth it but go ahead, download and try them. Maybe you will benefit from his teachings more than I did.

Raf.

Phoenix1304
21st March 2013, 13:54
Besides, if the secret's out of this incredible military technique, is there anywhere I can learn about it for free? Surely, someone has spilled it on the net....

Search for Ed Dames on your favorite torrent website; There are two entire courses available for free, the "Remote Viewing Training Course" and the "Remote Viewing Financial Markets".

Honestly, I think it´s not worth it but go ahead, download and try them. Maybe you will benefit from his teachings more than I did.

Raf.

Thanks Raf,

I work on a mac and torrent downloads were a bit of a mystery to me the last time I looked, let alone have a favourite torrent website! But I'll take it from you. Not worth it. Unless someone posts otherwise....

Hervé
21st March 2013, 17:59
There's been much mud slinging between Ed Dames and Gerald O'Donnell, the latter stating that Dames never actually made it to the RV crew...

Anyway, O'Donnell's website: http://probablefuture.com/

Hi Amzer

This site is a sales page for RV training, sounds fabulous, I clicked 'more' but freeze at that internet marketing business model. Blech. But am I missing something? Has anyone here ever bought, used and testified to it's value?

Besides, if the secret's out of this incredible military technique, is there anywhere I can learn about it for free? Surely, someone has spilled it on the net....

Hi Phoenix,

Regarding RV, Ingo Swann explained quite a lot about the methods he developed and from which all others are derived... Google might be a helpful friend in this case. If not try "ixquick (https://ixquick.com/)."

As for torrent downloads, the "Free Vuze (http://www.vuze.com/)" is pretty good...

araucaria
21st March 2013, 19:29
Actually the date is 3/21/2013 where RV’s cant see past from all over the world different languages, different country’s and the majority don’t know each other let alone have ever met.



Hell, that was today and I don't know where's tomorrow morning's coffee's coming from, we ran out today :)

TargeT
21st March 2013, 19:43
Thanks Raf,

I work on a mac and torrent downloads were a bit of a mystery to me the last time I looked, let alone have a favourite torrent website! But I'll take it from you. Not worth it. Unless someone posts otherwise....


Torrents 101: How Torrent Downloading Works
Part 1) An Overview of Bittorrent P2P File Sharing

http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/peersharing/a/torrenthandbook.htm

If you ever have a question, it's very likely google has an answer ;)


so the end of this month (Starting today apparently) is the new anticipation builder?

are we being harvested again? these energy farmers sure seem to be able to get juice out of what I was sure was turned to stone by now.