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Midnight
10th February 2013, 06:37
How many people would still do their job if their job wasn't the source of food and rent?

Do you do your job because you enjoy doing it, or you like to help others, or is there another reason?

If the economic basics of working were removed, how many people would go to work?

Not many, I think. But the machine would grind to a halt. Powerful people would be pissed off.

Is the job system a part of the matrix?

guido
10th February 2013, 07:15
i would quit.

In a way it is part of the matrix.

with love guido

Daughter of Time
10th February 2013, 07:58
I do like the work I do!

I chose it because I find it rewarding. It is not perfect. There are problems. There are frustrations. But I'm doing it by choice.

I could be making a lot more money doing other things. And I have had opportunities to accept jobs that would have made me a lot of money. But I turned them down knowing full well I would have been miserable spending my days doing something I hate. As long as I manage to pay my bills and have a modest life doing what I like, that's good enough for me.

I know many people who have luxuries I cannot afford. But for me, it is a luxury to do what I love. Material acquisitions are not important compared do spending my days in an invironment that makes me feel alive, at least, for the most part.

Would I still do it if there were no need to make money? I don't know.

heysoulsister
10th February 2013, 09:24
How many people would still do their job if their job wasn't the source of food and rent?

Do you do your job because you enjoy doing it, or you like to help others, or is there another reason?

If the economic basics of working were removed, how many people would go to work?

Not many, I think. But the machine would grind to a halt. Powerful people would be pissed off.

Is the job system a part of the matrix?


My job is a source of food..... - for others
As a farmer no - I no longer enjoy my "job" the matrix/system/government calls the shots on my job - completely!!!!
- I want to sell you milk, not white water in plastic bottles
- my "FEE" for the privilege of selling you raw milk ? a $70,000 fine and/or worse(jail) ...
no I don't like my job at all, and I don't like living the one arm tied behind my back and a hostage in my face scenario

And if the game changes in a worse case for humanity scenario and I am left standing and facing those lazy, greedy bastards ... well then if and when the lazy, greedy elites come to me for their food, well I will be happy if my last words are xxxx you !!
Yes I know
they need me and ones like me - I hope they starve....
Thanks for the invitation to vent *blush*
sorry :o

Snookie
10th February 2013, 09:34
I worked for over 30 years in a large company doing various jobs, at least one that I hated and one I found very challenging and fulfilling. The others somewhere between the two.

I got laid off a couple years ago along with the rest of the team I worked with. I have since moved in with the love of my life which is in a much smaller community than I was before. I look in the paper every once in a while to see if there is something I'm interested in doing, so far I haven't found anything. Fortunately I have been careful and saved money so don't have to work. I have gotten quite used to sleeping in and doing what I want when I want. I don't think I could go back to work unless it was part time. It would also have to be something I'd love doing.

Craig
10th February 2013, 09:55
No, not at all, I have been 'delegated' to organize lotto syndicates at work and the amount of people who plead with me to win so they can leave.... And yet management believes it is a great place to work? But if I wasn't working for money I would look at doing something that helps others so perhaps there is a reason why we are forced to work

Libico
10th February 2013, 10:16
I would gladly move on to something else. I can't say I dislike my job but I don't really like it either - it pays the bills and supports my family but other than that I can't say I get any real fulfillment from it. In retrospect I would have chosen a different career path but to make the change at this point in time would require 4+ years of schooling but that would be financially impossible.

If the economics of working were removed I'd like to do something where I can help people or provide for the community - preferably something outdoors and not sitting in a box staring at a screen all day.

markpierre
10th February 2013, 10:21
I'll find it and I'll love it. In fact I'll be absorbed right into it. There won't even be a me.

My last job was great and I was brilliant except the corporation chewed me up and spit me out like a piece of used up gum.
Have you ever chewed gum until it turned to mush? It won't even stick to a chair. I carried them through their stupid decisions
and someone had to pay for their stupid decisions. Oh. That was 2008. It wasn't their fault.

Oh and that other one. I was adored by all the customers but the owners didn't notice that I'd lost 12 kilos over 3 weeks time.
Or they did and didn't wonder if that wasn't normal. Then I had to flee to save myself.

I think I'm meant to be doing what I'm doing.

Spiral
10th February 2013, 10:38
I think the question should be the other way round; Are there any jobs outside the Matrix ?

Maybe people could share practical ideas as to how one can support oneself (and a family ) outside the control of the Cabal, other than the arts, (which have there own systems of control), and alternative health (rapidly becoming the target of legislation) what is there ?

I considered learning an alternative health treatment, but couldn't reconcile the huge fees desperate people pay for such things that often do nothing.

markpierre
10th February 2013, 11:01
I think the question should be the other way round; Are there any jobs outside the Matrix ?

Maybe people could share practical ideas as to how one can support oneself (and a family ) outside the control of the Cabal, other than the arts, (which have there own systems of control), and alternative health (rapidly becoming the target of legislation) what is there ?

I considered learning an alternative health treatment, but couldn't reconcile the huge fees desperate people pay for such things that often do nothing.

I really think at this point that we should be following our hearts, or using whatever we're doing to find them.
That might not sound like such a practical idea, but I think that somewhere it's already been arranged. Why shouldn't fulfillment be our occupation?
I think I want to be something that teaches other people to be free and be themselves somehow. I think I've done that all my life in every job, but there has to be a bigger way.

kaon
10th February 2013, 13:20
I hate my job with a passion. Every day going to work is like going to prison. The economy makes my job extremely stressful and difficult. The last 6 years or so have been tough. Yes, I NEED to work to pay the bills and I have dependents who count on my income.

Yes, the job is part of the matrix. Governments both Fed, State and local all have a piece of us for taxes or other fees. You can't buy anything new without taxes or other fees. You can't even eat without the government getting a piece of you.

Would I work if I didn't have to? Yes. I would find something fulfilling that I would enjoy doing but not 50 hours per week, lol. I just couldn't do nothing and be a waste in life but it sure would be nice to not have a gun to my head.

ghostrider
10th February 2013, 17:00
Who doesn't love doing the work while someone else collects the money and you get just enough to keep the lights on??? The part I like is fixing things that were broken ... The part that I do not like is paperwork and meetings, , give me tools and I'm off, give me paperwork, and I freakout HEY THIS ISN'T TOOLS ??? It seems being reminded who is in charge is more important than getting something done .. doesn't matter where or who you work for, the only difference between companies is the sign out front ... funny choosing to do the same thing everyday is called a habit/routine , being forced to do the same thing everyday is called a job ... hmmmm... if I could do what I wanted, hmmm ,,, I would find someone doing something and help them get it done..., hike in the woods, watch the sunset on the coast, and watch the sunrise from a mountaint top ...while creating music on my guitar and enjoy the wonders of nature ...

blufire
10th February 2013, 18:13
The “job system” as you put it Midnight is the way we (globally) are provided with the things we need to live the lifestyle we choose.

In these dense mountains that surround me there are many who live totally off the land. Some grew up this way and just carried on and others have left the job world . . . the rat race and ‘chose’ to live a very simple life. They are called hermits or mountain folk for the most part.

You can choose . . . no one is forcing anyone to work or live in this matrix. A term or ideal that I do not accept . . .seems to be the new fad word or idea.

There is so much abundant land here (and many other parts of the country) that anyone could just walk into the wilderness and never have to work a ‘regular’ job again. There is food, water; means to build shelter all things needed to live abundantly . . . free. Is itr easy? Nope. You have to provide yourself and those with you the means and skill set to live.

So why do not more people choose this? Because they want the easy lifestyle with water and electricity sent right into their homes, computers, cell phones, digital tv with 500 meaningless channels, grocery stores with endless variety on and on.

You can choose.

Rat Race with all the trappings.

Simple life and learn how to trap.

Operator
10th February 2013, 20:45
I am self employed. In a way I can leverage how hard I work and how much money I make.
This way I have a bit of influence on how much I want to be part of the system.
Although there will always be external pressure (like family) to make more and more money.
And since I am relatively successful there is a growing demand from my customers.

I work as an ICT engineer, helping client companies with their automation to work more
efficiently. Although I thought this would be a kind of 'neutral' type of work I notice now
more and more that their higher efficiency leads to encouraging a higher rate of consumerism.
So I am starting to dislike my job because it doesn't help getting this world out of the mess
we're in. I am now thinking about changing it to building/selling/installing windmills and other
solar solutions like solar heated water and solar desalination etc.

Dennis Leahy
10th February 2013, 21:04
I think no one would do a menial, meaningless job, but that people would still "work." If the monetary pressure was off, I think people would gravitate towards finding things to do that they enjoy. It would appear to be work - from those looking from the outside - but would not feel like work for those doing it. What's the old adage... "do what you love, and you will never work a day in your life."

I think the present group of people working would have the largest difficulty in finding out exactly what it is (and it could be more than one thing) that they want to do. I fault the educational system for programming us and for squashing our capacity to dream and wonder. I'd love to see the educational system completely changed, and (in the vision I have), future generations would have no trouble whatsoever finding and nurturing what they want to do. (If interested, read "Education Reform" here: http://www.resetbutton2012.org/Documents/ResetButtonFull.pdf#Page=76)

Dennis

Tesla_WTC_Solution
10th February 2013, 21:46
I really need to get back to work or back to school.

I could work at Boeing or finish a technical degree without too much trouble,
except I've talked trash about Boeing and am terrible at math.

It's cruel to be interested in engineering but have a weakness in math.
I guess if I really wanted it, the studying would happen and the content would take care of itself.

Pray for me to be more motivated. I was voted most likely to succeed in high school,
but it seems like all I can do is fail.

Thanks for this thread. it is thought provoking.

Reader's Digest once said, getting fired was the best thing that can happen to you in some circumstances,
because it forces you to seek something you want to do more.

p.s. i was in the ANG (USAF) and worked on C-130H2s and 3s for a living.
doing things mostly like replacing dials, making wiring harnesses for fuel tanks,
simple things like that. re-fitting the tank with terminal leads. small tasks.

I would like to be able to either use this knowledge again or go into art/education something like that.

Learning how to paint well would be wonderful. I want to sell art on ebay and through coffee shops/consignment. People tell me it's a real thing,
knowing how to paint and finish a work of art @.@

markpierre
10th February 2013, 22:40
I think no one would do a menial, meaningless job, but that people would still "work." If the monetary pressure was off, I think people would gravitate towards finding things to do that they enjoy. It would appear to be work - from those looking from the outside - but would not feel like work for those doing it. What's the old adage... "do what you love, and you will never work a day in your life."

I think the present group of people working would have the largest difficulty in finding out exactly what it is (and it could be more than one thing) that they want to do. I fault the educational system for programming us and for squashing our capacity to dream and wonder. I'd love to see the educational system completely changed, and (in the vision I have), future generations would have no trouble whatsoever finding and nurturing what they want to do. (If interested, read "Education Reform" here: http://www.resetbutton2012.org/Documents/ResetButtonFull.pdf#Page=76)

Dennis

I find that when I'm feeling free and full and supported, it doesn't matter what I'm doing. I think those tasks would be filled. Things that we as 'specialists' relegate to other people
like taking out our trash, cleaning our toilets should be viewed as part of every job. Or the guys who take out the trash and clean the toilets are the most highly rewarded
and respected. It isn't so secret how we identify ourselves and our self value by what we do. That's a ridiculous and conditioned premise to begin with, it shouldn't be that hard to change. It's simple psychology.
'I appreciate you this much for doing the things that I hate doing'. Hand him a bag of gold. Invite him over for dinner. Every step in every venture has an equal value and responsibility
to the outcome.

It's different now with bureaucracy being purely fixed to a set agenda, that excludes everything below the top. If 'managing' becomes managing the truest simplest most complete
path to an outcome, instead of 'how much can we waste and get away with and delay and defer responsibility and nurse the problem rather than fix it so that we can keep our identities as 'managers' . And keep someone else's numbers up to keep that paycheck coming. I've found that in every occupation I've passed through. Individual irresponsibility is the pin that holds it in place.