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GoodETxSG
12th February 2013, 16:47
I started this Thread after seeing the Thread "US always to blame" http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55708-US-always-to-blame

I was deciding how to respond on exactly WHO IS to blame. Yes these groups did do the evil deeds and subverted our Civilization. It is easy to point out the "Elitist's", "Illuminati/NWO", Banksters and completely corrupt 3 branches of Gov..

I think we need to turn the light inward to ourselves. How would any of this still be going on if WE had taken on the Federal Government, Obama EO's and these groups OURSELVES? We assume that us that follow the Alternative News are the Minority. I think this is not necessarily the case as Hillary Clinton admitted on a youtube video "We are losing the information war". As we see with India suing the Nielsen Ratings Corp for "Rigging Data" other polls about where people get their news I believe is rigged in "Their" favor as well. And now with this first step with the Executive Order for CISPA we are on the road to quickly lose the right we are exercising right now.

We complain in our forums and post the news links and the hard work of others who are brave enough to get out there and DO SOMETHING to make a difference. We are each responsible for what we collectively allow to happen in the world and it is time we realize this as a great potential. WE are wasting this wonderful potential as a species and I am sure it has not gone unnoticed in the cosmos. It is time to STOP waiting for an EVENT to happen and MAKE the EVENT HAPPEN! Do not wait for Aliens to come down and save us... I think they want us to save our selves. It is crunch time on weather WE will succeed or fail as a civilization AGAIN and as a species once and for all.

We have the numbers (The touted 99%) and those of us awake have the potential to awaken others who will contribute to ending the secrecy and slavery of this current civilization. I understand the Fear and most of all Confusion right now. There is an all out Psy Op War going on and you are the target. The "Fear Porn" and "DisInfo" is the most active I have ever witnessed.

We see the Occupy Movement people pepper sprayed, beaten and arrested. We see articles that the Government is preparing for an armed conflict with "Citizens". They have enacted the NDAA, DOJ memo on Killing American Citizens, Gun Ban... the list goes on and on. We also hear that the Banksters want us to riot so they can declare Martial Law. So, how do we get off of the side lines? We need to organize quickly before the Internet is shut down and getting the resources to first barrage the legal system and media with legal cases and peaceful protests and non compliance actions that WILL get many of us arrested. It is better than a violent conflict as they want. I am open to ideas.

What are YOU willing to do and contribute? What are YOU willing to risk for freedom? What ideas do YOU have to contribute to THIS conversation?

Your digital footprint is everywhere and like it or not you are already on a "List" and eventually they will work their way to you anyway. Like I stated in another thread, we are already IN THE GAME, it is time to start learning the rules of engagement and... engage. We all have our talents and skills to contribute to form a NGO and organize the legal and other appropriate responses in a matter of months.

I await your response, with the wonderful minds here on Avalon I expect I will NOT be disappointed.

humanalien
12th February 2013, 17:32
This isn't an idea that you may have been expecting
but i'd like to address the internet problem, if you
don't mind.

As i read your post and it got to the part about shutting
down the internet, a thought passed through my head.

What is to stop anyone from buying a very up to date
computer system, along with an up to date server module
and create their own internet network.

Once that is done, you could pass that I.P or computer
name on to others, so that they could connect to your
server.

Instead of connecting to a central server, you could connect
several computers in a chain. If many people did the same thing
and got their own server, we could have many different locations
in which to connect to, should one server go down.

By doing this, even if the internet did go down, people could
still communicate, without internet service..

I'm sorry if this is off topic slightly, but i felt this idea needed
to be put out there...

I do agree that we need to become doers and stop sitting on our
butts, posting on stuff we don't like, all day long. This is getting
us nowhere except to keep us informed on current information
but what good does that do, if we are just going to sit back and
let it happen?

Starting riots is definitely the wrong path to take but if push
comes to shove and people don't have a plan of any kind, you
can be assured that a riot will come to pass.

Maybe now, would be a good time for the creative juices to
start flowing, to figure out what we can do to fix the problems
that we face today.

Conchis
12th February 2013, 17:39
This isn't an idea that you may have been expecting
but i'd like to address the internet problem, if you
don't mind.

As i read your post and it got to the part about shutting
down the internet, a thought passed through my head.

What is to stop anyone from buying a very up to date
computer system, along with an up to date server module
and create their own internet network.

Once that is done, you could pass that I.P or computer
name on to others, so that they could connect to your
server.

Instead of connecting to a central server, you could connect
several computers in a chain. If many people did the same thing
and got their own server, we could have many different locations
in which to connect to, should one server go down.

By doing this, even if the internet did go down, people could
still communicate, without internet service..

I'm sorry if this is off topic slightly, but i felt this idea needed
to be put out there...

I do agree that we need to become doers and stop sitting on our
butts, posting on stuff we don't like, all day long. This is getting
us nowhere except to keep us informed on current information
but what good does that do, if we are just going to sit back and
let it happen?

Starting riots is definitely the wrong path to take but if push
comes to shove and people don't have a plan of any kind, you
can be assured that a riot will come to pass.

Maybe now, would be a good time for the creative juices to
start flowing, to figure out what we can do to fix the problems
that we face today.

Here is a little thing you might like to know about. It uses the wi-fi capabilities of your computer to start a daisy chain kind of ad-hoc network like you are talking about. It would require folks to be fairly close together, but still...it's worth knowing about

http://daihinia.com/

GoodETxSG
12th February 2013, 17:39
Thank you,
You would also have to create the entire infrastructure. The data on the Internet is made up of many hundreds and thousands of of lines, redundant switches and servers etc... the best we could do is encrypt but nothing is completely secure. It is a good idea but I do not know if it is practical or cost effective.

Carmody
12th February 2013, 17:54
We used to use phone lines for all of that, it is called 'the internet' in it's now modern form.

That we used to send packets of information from one place to another, via phone lines. That each step of our conversation would take a few days, as the entire set of conversations would circle the world and then come back, and we would then find our particular conversation, and then thoughtfully make COMPLETE and qualified statements and responses, as we did not have the instantaneous response that we now have, in modern times.

this required us to be careful and complete in our communications, not this modern half-assed way of half expression, which is one of the core PROBLEMS in modern internet expression. That our half statements, our incomplete statements, our ill thought out communications are a notable source of our issues and lack of understanding of one another.

That if communications take more time to go 'back and forth' like they did in the older days of BBS's (bulletin boards), we treated them with more respect, in both creation and then energy involved in interpretation. Half baked expression has no place in areas where the 'back and forth' of communications is limited. That one may not agree with this, but if communication is limited in TIME and availability, I can guarantee you that you will eventually be one hell of a lot more careful with it, in use and in interpretation. For example, if you where forced to write letters and then post them, that your prose and ability to communicate WILL take a giant leap forward, as it has to, in order to be functional and coherent.

Eg, why I have no desire to see or use twitter, is due to it being exactly that: useless and incoherent twittering. (not quite that bad...but close enough)

That this modern version of crap bombing discussions with half baked poorly written bits, will end in mere seconds. That it simply would not happen, at all. Note that all the older people on these forums tend to give you beautifully expressed long posts, that are coherent and well thought out. it's a case of simple learning of the need for discipline in thinking and communication. something they learned when communication capacity was precious and took time to happen.

To add, the way of communication that is being spoken of in this thread, regarding getting past imposed limits...is literally the way the the internet was created.

That the military and the scientists performed this act, as an experiment, both halves watching each other. One, the military... saying no, don't ever speak to one another, and the scientists circumventing that rule, in any way that they could. This was during the development of the Atlas rocket, which became the Saturn V rocket program.

For example, in the old BBS days, this response of mine would take days, almost a week in some cases.. to work it's way around the world and then a few people replying to it, along the way. Thus I am compelled to be clear and coherent in my give and take. No loose ends, no half baked statements, no half expressed anything...as all of that... kills discussion that actually could go anywhere, or reach any form of coherent exchange.

Carmody
12th February 2013, 18:15
Thank you,
You would also have to create the entire infrastructure. The data on the Internet is made up of many hundreds and thousands of of lines, redundant switches and servers etc... the best we could do is encrypt but nothing is completely secure. It is a good idea but I do not know if it is practical or cost effective. Thank you for contributing to the conversation. I am SERIOUS about this topic. I would really like to see something come of it. If we are all talk and no action we truly are doomed.


all western cities have hard lines, ie, that their communications systems are hardlines that are still in existence, in a stable useful connected way.

Your problem comes when you get to the edge of the city.

That you need a way in,and a way out.

three potentials show themselves.

Wireless RF in the form of shortwave done digitally (the original scientists for the atlas program did this, to cross oceans)

Wireless in the form of RF, ie, radio, and then again wireless in the digital modern microwave form.

if attempting to work in a form of un-noticed communication, it's line of sight laser, shotgun antennas in/across valleys, or hardlines run as extra line across barriers (lengths of space that are not joined-bridge the gap), to join existing hardlines together.

modern detection techniques are based on locating wireless communications, which is why gaps should be bridged with laser systems and hardlines (fiber optic or electrical).

That we can detect with laser microphones, which can be converted to transfer digital data over lets say, a near mile wide gap of a river or similar. Slow, but functional. It's fairly hard to find a laser line, under most circumstances.

The other thing the scientists on the atlas program used was a system of parasitic imbedding of their desired communications into existing RF systems and telephony systems. They 'piggy backed' their data packets into and on top of existing systems. this is already used these days, with respect to internet communications on phone lines. It is called DSL internet.

That knowing exactly how such systems work, gives some folks access and control of entire city areas of interconnected systems.

We (the royal we, I was an observer) used to do that in order to have gaming situations work out the way we wanted to, to give ourselves all the bandwidth that was available, to instruct the system to crank our allotted speed and bandwidth... or to look into everyone's computers at home, from our computers. Access to full city blocks of computer systems that where all on the same 'node'.

All these existing systems you have out there are full manipulable, as they stand today.

You just need a hacker experienced in how to move undetected inside of their networks.

Those hackers are everywhere, essentially. They still exist. That these DSL systems, as an example, are more protected, overall, these days, but not outside of infiltration and alternative use.

spiritguide
12th February 2013, 18:50
Are we talking counter measures here? If so. the thread should be secure, as the opposition in the game would not be surprised with the next move.Surprise is leverage in any game let alone one where the rules are not clearly outlined. Opposition to control must be peaceful, cost effective and accepted through consensus. could be done on community, county and state level using a 501-3C educational filing (not for profit corporation). These instruments are used for educational purposes. Could be local newsletter informing citizens of their rights and the local happenings for their health and safety.

:peace:

turiya
12th February 2013, 19:35
GoodeTXSG wrote:

What are YOU willing to risk for freedom? The window is closing on our time to act!

Thanks for posting, GoodeTXSG

The answer to this question can only be a willingness to die. Die in the sense that one be willing to let go of one's ego.
Without coming to this point, without coming to the point of "Letting thy will be done - not mine. Of letting thy will be done, through this body, through this mind", then any attempt to do anything at all will only lead to more problems... to more unconsciousness.

We are here to learn, to grow in consciousness. That which presents itself before us, is what is needed for this humanity to move beyond its present state, and onto the next level in our evolution.
turiya

GoodETxSG
12th February 2013, 21:17
Thank you turiya,
I have found that in real life operational situations people have quite a range of "How Far" they will go before they cut bate in the name of self preservation (Or of loved ones). I know there are Zealot's out there for various causes that will insist on loss of life. I think it can be done peacefully and if done so it would speak volumes about us for a change to the wider cosmic community.

I didn't miss your point by the way about dying to EGO and expansion of consciousness.

The questions in my first post was to get you thinking about where you draw the line if at all. Some situations warrant one giving their lives for others. I do not pretend to have the answers to all of the answers but I figure a group or community of people like our selves should be able to do what Governments have never been able to do.

If we are to come up with a solid plan to resolve the current civilizations problems and deal humanely with the "problem makers" we will need people who are open minded and "awake". We need people that can calm their minds and anger (And Horror at times) so they can use logic and open mindedness before making the hard decisions that we will be faced with.

But first we need to stand up and bring the EVENT or the moment of CHANGE into fruition...

GoodETxSG
12th February 2013, 21:22
That is EXACTLY where I would like to see it all go... but getting a dialog is the first step. I don't have a plan or the answers but I am looking for both. You are right, the rule is WE have to play by the rule of law and THEY DO NOT.

I am not endorsing or dissing Thrive but on their web site on the solutions tab they have communities. These communities work together and the community leaders have regular meetings... something like that could work... but might be described as a "Cell" by the Fed's. Just an idea.


Are we talking counter measures here? If so. the thread should be secure, as the opposition in the game would not be surprised with the next move.Surprise is leverage in any game let alone one where the rules are not clearly outlined. Opposition to control must be peaceful, cost effective and accepted through consensus. could be done on community, county and state level using a 501-3C educational filing (not for profit corporation). These instruments are used for educational purposes. Could be local newsletter informing citizens of their rights and the local happenings for their health and safety.

:peace:

Fred Steeves
12th February 2013, 22:03
I have two main concerns with plannning of this type:

1) Most likely anything we plan has already been long forseen, like me taking on Garry Kasparov in a chess match.

2) What happens if we actually "win"? The U.S. Constitution was probably the greatest plan ever devised, and look at us now...Who takes charge if we "win", another form of government? Another ism? We've been down this road many times before IMO.

I think changing from within is the only viable option, becoming masters of our own reality. You know what the upper echelons of the elite fear most? What Looking Glass, AI, machines of war, and atleast thousands of years of human nature study can't account for? The Surprise Button... And they know damn well we have it.

Just my take. :)

Cheers,
Fred

GoodETxSG
12th February 2013, 22:31
Are those reasons not to act at all or reasons to proceed with caution? Human nature and the desire for power has been the source of corruption for eons. I do not expect it to be easy.

It will not happen over night. It will have to bee done responsibly. That is where once the many hidden truths and technologies will come in along with re-education of the public in the true history of the world. Then a time of healing and recovery before any thing is put in stone. Once all that has happened we can all be on the same page to rebuild our civilization. As for right now I would like to start figuring these things out and working on ways to make a difference... Right Now.

It could be a pipe dream and we are destine to live as slaves on this planet. It may be destined that we try and fail. But if we do fail I would prefer to fail forward.


I have two main concerns with plannning of this type:

1) Most likely anything we plan has already been long forseen, like me taking on Garry Kasparov in a chess match.

2) What happens if we actually "win"? The U.S. Constitution was probably the greatest plan ever devised, and look at us now...Who takes charge if we "win", another form of government? Another ism? We've been down this road many times before IMO.

I think changing from within is the only viable option, becoming masters of our own reality. You know what the upper echelons of the elite fear most? What Looking Glass, AI, machines of war, and atleast thousands of years of human nature study can't account for? The Surprise Button... And they know damn well we have it.

Just my take. :)

Cheers,
Fred

Fred Steeves
12th February 2013, 23:02
Are those reasons not to act at all

Absolutely not.



or reasons to proceed with caution?

It depends.



It will not happen over night. It will have to bee done responsibly. That is where once the many hidden truths and technologies will come in along with re-education of the public in the true history of the world.

This goes directly to my concerns over what happens if "we" actually "win". Just who is truly qualified to re-educate (A spooky term) the "general public" of the "true" history of the world? Who decides who has the real story, and what if they are wrong...Or even worse, lying?




I have two main concerns with plannning of this type:

1) Most likely anything we plan has already been long forseen, like me taking on Garry Kasparov in a chess match.

2) What happens if we actually "win"? The U.S. Constitution was probably the greatest plan ever devised, and look at us now...Who takes charge if we "win", another form of government? Another ism? We've been down this road many times before IMO.

I think changing from within is the only viable option, becoming masters of our own reality. You know what the upper echelons of the elite fear most? What Looking Glass, AI, machines of war, and atleast thousands of years of human nature study can't account for? The Surprise Button... And they know damn well we have it.

Just my take. :)

Cheers,
Fred

ghostrider
13th February 2013, 00:04
everything begins as a dream, they cannot kill an idea ...

Silo
13th February 2013, 00:23
Seems obvious any kind of manifesto would be out of the question as demonized as that phrase has become.....however, listening to Chomsky's speech in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55728-Noam-Chomsky-the-future-of-Earth) made me wonder how he can lay such daming claims in the open with such impudence? Why is it that Joe schmoe should be a minority of one if he plainly states criticisims, while some may say as they please?



Bill has done a great service, in my mind, by placing in the forefront several threads recently that brings all of us up to date. By far, the biggest liability I can see "the public" having is lack of organization.

What could/should we add to his list?

I was thinking in terms of the sufferage movement in so far as they identified a "key" that would unlock further doors. The right to vote let many other issues come to the table that might not have.

What is our key? Might be many things but we won't unlock the door until we find them.

spiritguide
13th February 2013, 00:29
Fred,

The dynamics of consensus prevents any factions from taking over as all agree through their own perception of the nature of the decision.

Definition - Merriam Webster

con∑sen∑sus noun, often attributive \kən-ˈsen(t)-səs\
Definition of CONSENSUS
1a : general agreement : unanimity <the consensus of their opinion, based on reports Ö from the border ó John Hersey> b : the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned <the consensus was to go ahead>
2: group solidarity in sentiment and belief See consensus defined for English-language learners Ľ
See consensus defined for kids Ľ
Usage Discussion of CONSENSUS
The phrase consensus of opinion, which is not actually redundant (see sense 1a; the sense that takes the phrase is slightly older), has been so often claimed to be a redundancy that many writers avoid it. You are safe in using consensus alone when it is clear you mean consensus of opinion, and most writers in fact do so.
Examples of CONSENSUS
Everyone on the council seems to understand the need for consensus.
There is a lack of consensus among the citizens.
The decision was made by consensus.
Yet despite this and other dust-ups during the convention, the general consensus is that Episcopalians weathered this one with their customary civility intact. óAntonio Ramirez, Commonweal, 12 Sept. 1997
Despite years of debate over the best wine to serve at Thanksgiving, no real consensus has emerged. óHarvey Steiman, Wine Spectator, 30 Nov. 1995
Beyond the general goal of sustainability, there was little consensus at the conference on how to get from here to there. óConstance Holden, Science, 6 July 1990
Ö it is the consensus of opinion that the Iceni in their geographic isolation remained ĎCelticí Ö óAntonia Fraser, The Warrior Queens, 1988
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First Known Use: 1843

This method is also used by most Native American Indian councils for present and future decisions. An example of this at the following link....

http://www.cowasuck.org/AbenakiConstitution2005AB.pdf

See decision making at the bottom of page three... Article II.

turiya
13th February 2013, 01:22
GoodeTXSG wrote:


The questions in my first post was to get you thinking about where you draw the line if at all. Some situations warrant one giving their lives for others. I do not pretend to have the answers to all of the answers but I figure a group or community of people like our selves should be able to do what Governments have never been able to do.

If we are to come up with a solid plan to resolve the current civilizations problems and deal humanely with the "problem makers" we will need people who are open minded and "awake". We need people that can calm their minds and anger (And Horror at times) so they can use logic and open mindedness before making the hard decisions that we will be faced with.

But first we need to stand up and bring the EVENT or the moment of CHANGE into fruition...

Certainly, the idea that one has within the mind of WHERE "to draw the line in the sand" is an intellectual concept... And, anyone who has genuinely examined her/himself & the life s/he's lived would understand that ideas of how to live life & the actual living of this life, they run askew to each other - i.e., never the twain shall meet.
But to further expand on my previous writing - "the willingness to die to one's ego":

With ego comes the idea that "something needs to be done". That a plan needs to be drawn up and implemented... before action is to be taken... a strategy to be put in forth, that 'a line should be drawn in the sand' prior to the advent of a certain event taking place. This planning of what should be done, it is ego based. With this comes the greater possibility of depleting one's own vital energy. For example, one can plan for several years how to react to fascist government encroachment - which may never come to the extent to which one has 'drawn the line' in their mind.

It is understood that in martial arts, it is best to not to think while being engaged with an opponent. In fact, it is said that the one who thinks the least has the better chance of becoming victorious.

In this regard, the "death of the ego", means that one is more available to be spontaneous & less being tied to a prescribed action that needs to be taken. For it is not that one needs to DO SOMETHING about a given situation, but the GIVEN SITUATION will create the appropriate response & action that needs to be taken at the time that it arises.
Like in martial arts, prepare the body, silence the mind... and the appropriate response will be forthcoming.

Its not that one has to DO SOMETHING... But rather, Existence, acting through the body & mind in response to a given situation, would be more appropriate, imo.
In this regard, one can prevent the dissipation of one's own vital energy.

Besides, our awakening planet, Mother Earth, may have her own way(s) of dealing with such parasites that have been inflicted with the mind virus.

Best - turiya

Rich
13th February 2013, 07:53
Well...we put those people in power and they will stay there as long as it reflects our consciousness.
That's why best action is to meditate. And I am not saying we shouldn't act on the outside, but the acting is a result and not a cause.

sdv
13th February 2013, 10:25
:wave:

Perhaps we should start by accepting the mind-set that we have rights that are being trashed by people who use our money to do it. Everyone in government and everything government does is funded by taxpayers' money and uses the labour of the people. It is our money and our labour. We have the right to stand up and say no you will not keep secrets from us, no you will not use our money in this way, no, no, no.

Transparency and accountability are two good places to start in terms of what sort of government we should put in place of what we have now. It is our money and our labour so we have the right to ask questions and to have those questions answered, and then to say no this is unacceptable.

Imagine if government could not pass legislation without holding a referendum (and no lobbying was allowed, but only free public debate)? Let the people decide. Give power back to the people.

These are my revolutionary thoughts for the day.

BMJ
13th February 2013, 12:11
I really do not care who is to blame, (US citzens aren't to blame they've been had by the TPTW), more importantly what are we going to do about it, my list:
- Know your topics and references on important issues and engage in conversation with people and enlighten them about these matters, that is take a leaf out of the book of our Avalonian "Jackovesk". E.g. 9/11, the Barry birther issue etc. Many people are curious and willing to listen in my experience and they just need a nudge in the right direction.
- Go out and hand out leaflets citing quality sites and you tubes video's to visit e.g. RT Today on youtube, VT Today, truth.net
- Buy for example an infowars shirt and wear it, advertise these sites. I often have people wanting to read my shirt and occasional get asked about the site.
- Simple get off your behind and do something because if you are reading this as Corey stated in post 1, your on their list so there's no hiding so start helping.

Nanoo Nanoo
13th February 2013, 13:21
I have attempted to impliment 2 Techs

Tech 1 , Find a Doctor that teaches Nutrition.
Tech 2 , Find the scources of non GMO food stock.

in those two alone if people followed suit would slam a huge spanner in the works peacefully. But those two threads died ... People arent interested in getting a result possibly as they are distracted by fear porn. Its hard to dedicate long term thinking when you are lead to believe everything will be blown up in the next week .. oh hang on its the week after that .. oh hang on it may happen next month etc etc etc ( said in Yul Brynner voice )

Naniu

spiritwind
13th February 2013, 14:42
I have attempted to impliment 2 Techs

Tech 1 , Find a Doctor that teaches Nutrition.
Tech 2 , Find the scources of non GMO food stock.

in those two alone if people followed suit would slam a huge spanner in the works peacefully. But those two threads died ... People arent interested in getting a result possibly as they are distracted by fear porn. Its hard to dedicate long term thinking when you are lead to believe everything will be blown up in the next week .. oh hang on its the week after that .. oh hang on it may happen next month etc etc etc ( said in Yul Brynner voice )

Naniu

I have to admit that in many ways I feel like an army (not really, metaphorically speaking) of 2, me and my husband. Every time someone over the last number of years starts talking about literally bringing people together, brainstorming etc, getting to really know one another so as to make a difference it either gets shot down (the Occupy movement for example although a lot of good people Ė at least here locally got some good experience) or never makes it off the ground to begin with. Iíve taken great workshops where people really bonded with one another and were encouraged to continue those relationships later and most rarely ever did. Even the original ground crew idea has never seemed to gain much momentum. Here on this forum, the only one Iím on except for Camelot forum which hasnít ever recovered really from when they had to implement the new one last year and have everyone reregister, there seems to be some who have actually furthered their relationships here outside the forum. But, most folks really donít know what to do that will make a difference now. I hate the idea of waiting to see whatís going to happen and then having to scramble to deal with a number of different possible scenarios.

So, as I've mentioned elsewhere I am doing the one thing I can see in this scenario that I can do right now, besides sharing info with just about anyone willing to engage in conversation about many of the subjects commonly discussed here. My husband was a medic in the military (among other things) and has a vast storehouse of knowledge and I have been studying nutrition my entire adult life. I do know a lot about the old ways before so called modern medicine and have been using them successfully for about 35 years. People see weeds, I see something else. What I have recognized I donít know I have been making it a point to learn. My friend who was born and raised here knows personally many farmers in the area (there is a large Mennonite population in the area) and through her I have been able to get GMO free feed that is local, at least so far. We arenít waiting until everything is just right to move back to the country. We are actually moving into a friendís garage apartment just to get us out of the city. I know everyone canít do this but even if you live in a small space there are some great vertical gardens that can be grown at very little expense. A lot of seeds you can even buy on food stamps.

My friend and I have been on a mission for the last few years acquiring a good base of knowledge and heirloom seeds. Her family eats meat so she also raises rabbits and plans on getting heirloom turkeys this spring. There are some great new concepts to learn about canning and preserving food available (thatís where the internet comes in handy even if you have to go to the library to use it). We have given quite a bit of thought to how we can produce many of the items that could become unavailable under certain conditions or how to get along without certain items. If I wasn't working a night job Iíd be doing a lot more but I figure thereís a reason and time for everything. Heck, I wouldn't have been on this forum for the last year if it wasn't for this job.

This may seem like such an unrelated thing but really it isnít. By producing most of the items that could really hamper survival if unavailable it actually has a multi-faceted effect. If the stores shelves become bare, no problem, trucks canít deliver goods, no problem, canít get to the doctor, in most cases, no problem. Power gets shut off, again, not much of a problem. Iím even gathering materials to make a bunch of rocket stoves. They put out considerable heat on very little fuel and can be made with stuff people throw away. The more people do this the less control they have. People will be less likely to riot and panic. It puts less strain on emergency services. I could go on and on. And, breaking the chain of death and deceit spun by the current GMO war, because it is a war, is another way to take the wind out of their sails so to speak.

Many people don't realize this but you can live a long time on very little if you just have a handful of the right items. Being mentally prepared is probably as important as anything you have or do not have. I often wonder about the movie PUSH where the only way they could outwit their nemesis was to forget and remember only when they needed to. For some reason this movie keeps coming to mind as I think about all of this.

humanalien
13th February 2013, 16:45
Another way to fight this is to stop paying taxes, period.
Why are we funding those that want to destroy us? That's
like hiring a killer for trillions of dollars, to come to your
house and kill you and the whole family. This is stupid.

STOP PAYING THESE JACKASSES TO DESTROY YOU.

GoodETxSG
13th February 2013, 17:06
I feel you... I totally agree with NON VIOLENT opposition and NON COMPLIANCE! I am sure all of that will have a time and place in the timeline of this struggle.

But WE have to play by the RULE of LAW and THEY DON'T! I do not want to give them an (Post NDAA like they NEED one now) excuse to throw me in prison and have the message PsyOp'ed and thrown in with the MSM famous group... "Nutty Right Wing Anti Government/IRS, Gun Toting Conspiracy Theorist".

I really like where the Thread is going. I too have notices how grass roots groups and movements never seem to get off the ground or are infiltrated and scandalized. I dunno... maybe there are other groups like this all over the world and all we need to do is seek each other out and begin to network.


Another way to fight this is to stop paying taxes, period.
Why are we funding those that want to destroy us? That's
like hiring a killer for trillions of dollars, to come to your
house and kill you and the whole family. This is stupid.

STOP PAYING THESE JACKASSES TO DESTROY YOU.

GoodETxSG
13th February 2013, 17:12
Wow, I do not know where to start with this post. I love it! Thanks for the contribution.
Now we are getting somewhere in this Thread. :cool:



I have attempted to impliment 2 Techs

Tech 1 , Find a Doctor that teaches Nutrition.
Tech 2 , Find the scources of non GMO food stock.

in those two alone if people followed suit would slam a huge spanner in the works peacefully. But those two threads died ... People arent interested in getting a result possibly as they are distracted by fear porn. Its hard to dedicate long term thinking when you are lead to believe everything will be blown up in the next week .. oh hang on its the week after that .. oh hang on it may happen next month etc etc etc ( said in Yul Brynner voice )

Naniu

I have to admit that in many ways I feel like an army (not really, metaphorically speaking) of 2, me and my husband. Every time someone over the last number of years starts talking about literally bringing people together, brainstorming etc, getting to really know one another so as to make a difference it either gets shot down (the Occupy movement for example although a lot of good people Ė at least here locally got some good experience) or never makes it off the ground to begin with. Iíve taken great workshops where people really bonded with one another and were encouraged to continue those relationships later and most rarely ever did. Even the original ground crew idea has never seemed to gain much momentum. Here on this forum, the only one Iím on except for Camelot forum which hasnít ever recovered really from when they had to implement the new one last year and have everyone reregister, there seems to be some who have actually furthered their relationships here outside the forum. But, most folks really donít know what to do that will make a difference now. I hate the idea of waiting to see whatís going to happen and then having to scramble to deal with a number of different possible scenarios.

So, as I've mentioned elsewhere I am doing the one thing I can see in this scenario that I can do right now, besides sharing info with just about anyone willing to engage in conversation about many of the subjects commonly discussed here. My husband was a medic in the military (among other things) and has a vast storehouse of knowledge and I have been studying nutrition my entire adult life. I do know a lot about the old ways before so called modern medicine and have been using them successfully for about 35 years. People see weeds, I see something else. What I have recognized I donít know I have been making it a point to learn. My friend who was born and raised here knows personally many farmers in the area (there is a large Mennonite population in the area) and through her I have been able to get GMO free feed that is local, at least so far. We arenít waiting until everything is just right to move back to the country. We are actually moving into a friendís garage apartment just to get us out of the city. I know everyone canít do this but even if you live in a small space there are some great vertical gardens that can be grown at very little expense. A lot of seeds you can even buy on food stamps.

My friend and I have been on a mission for the last few years acquiring a good base of knowledge and heirloom seeds. Her family eats meat so she also raises rabbits and plans on getting heirloom turkeys this spring. There are some great new concepts to learn about canning and preserving food available (thatís where the internet comes in handy even if you have to go to the library to use it). We have given quite a bit of thought to how we can produce many of the items that could become unavailable under certain conditions or how to get along without certain items. If I wasn't working a night job Iíd be doing a lot more but I figure thereís a reason and time for everything. Heck, I wouldn't have been on this forum for the last year if it wasn't for this job.

This may seem like such an unrelated thing but really it isnít. By producing most of the items that could really hamper survival if unavailable it actually has a multi-faceted effect. If the stores shelves become bare, no problem, trucks canít deliver goods, no problem, canít get to the doctor, in most cases, no problem. Power gets shut off, again, not much of a problem. Iím even gathering materials to make a bunch of rocket stoves. They put out considerable heat on very little fuel and can be made with stuff people throw away. The more people do this the less control they have. People will be less likely to riot and panic. It puts less strain on emergency services. I could go on and on. And, breaking the chain of death and deceit spun by the current GMO war, because it is a war, is another way to take the wind out of their sails so to speak.

Many people don't realize this but you can live a long time on very little if you just have a handful of the right items. Being mentally prepared is probably as important as anything you have or do not have. I often wonder about the movie PUSH where the only way they could outwit their nemesis was to forget and remember only when they needed to. For some reason this movie keeps coming to mind as I think about all of this.

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Amen to that! The question is can we get our sedated, electronically and chemically addicted butt's up off of the couch and do something?


I really do not care who is to blame, (US citzens aren't to blame they've been had by the TPTW), more importantly what are we going to do about it, my list:
- Know your topics and references on important issues and engage in conversation with people and enlighten them about these matters, that is take a leaf out of the book of our Avalonian "Jackovesk". E.g. 9/11, the Barry birther issue etc. Many people are curious and willing to listen in my experience and they just need a nudge in the right direction.
- Go out and hand out leaflets citing quality sites and you tubes video's to visit e.g. RT Today on youtube, VT Today, truth.net
- Buy for example an infowars shirt and wear it, advertise these sites. I often have people wanting to read my shirt and occasional get asked about the site.
- Simple get off your behind and do something because if you are reading this as Corey stated in post 1, your on their list so there's no hiding so start helping.

Dennis Leahy
13th February 2013, 18:29
... We also hear that the Banksters want us to riot so they can declare Martial Law. So, how do we get off of the side lines?

... I am open to ideas.

What are YOU willing to do and contribute? What are YOU willing to risk for freedom? What ideas do YOU have to contribute to THIS conversation?

I think there are probably a few different things that could work. Unification of purpose and resolve of some percentage of "the 99%" - whether it be done in a metaphysical way or a physical way - is key. I don't know the number - the percentage - of the whole that needs to come into sync to foment change, but I have a strong feeling that the percentages have a huge range, depending on the strategy.

For example, if the strategy is for all of us to connect in a metaphysical way, becoming an irresistible force of love, my gut tells me that we would need a high percentage of people - that those not connected would "short-circuit" or "ground" the energy, and so most would need to be connected in order to overcome that metaphysical energy drain.

Another example would be for us as individuals to transform ourselves, to "be the change." I think this is what Fred is referring to. Again, I think this could work, but my gut tells me that this would require a majority of people to actuate real systemic change in the Big Picture framework, and would take a great deal of time (decades, generations.) Religions are nefarious controlling constructs, but people's hearts do not get hooked by those constructs. The hearts of the religious faithful are genuinely filled with the positive message, the kernel of truth inherent in the various world religions. I'd say, the major world religions, from the perspective of the individual, not the organization, is the closest that this idea has come to working. But, it never did work on a large enough scale to affect the skeletal structure of the matrix.

A variant on that idea is the concept of community building. That by linking our families into self-sustaining communities, to disconnect from the grid and be unaffected by the Big Power and Control structure, we gain freedom. This idea is, interestingly, both critical as part of a successful plan, and deeply flawed as a plan unto itself. Critical because this scope of nurturing must be done for true freedom and happiness to flourish.* Flawed because of two reasons:
1.) A ground-up movement alone cannot touch the most heinous aspects of the large structure of global control, so war-for-profit will continue ad infinitum, and all the giant greed-based industries remain in play, polluting the planet and enslaving billions.
2.) The controllers simply will not allow communities to unplug. Control will be maintained through oppressive federal laws, taxes, fees, licenses, permits, apportionments, ... whatever it takes. The federal government will apply whatever pressure is necessary to the State to bring the "off-grid' communities into the grid.

So, what might work, and would take the least number of individuals?

Before I go further, I think that a "goal" has to be defined. Corey specifically defines "freedom" as the goal that he is talking about. I'm going to take a broad approach to the word "freedom" and include the obvious physical freedom, to the slightly less obvious freedom from control and manipulation (the prison with no walls), to freedom from the outcome of sociopathic greed on ecosystems and humanity.

I also believe that the question is being asked about freedom for all, not just individual freedom (which an enlightened being could have even if chained to the walls of a dungeon.) So, this assumes that most (or all) of the self-serving control mechanisms (from those who would rule us) need to be disassembled.

I also think a refinement of the questions of "What are YOU willing to do and contribute? What are YOU willing to risk for freedom?" are to ask what ideas we think have a chance for success. Otherwise the simple answer, "My life." shows passionate commitment (heart) but no plan or strategy (head.)

(I know I'm bouncing around a bit, forgive me, I'll try to tie these pieces together)

Henry David Thoreau said, "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." This means poor planning, bad strategy, heart and no head. This is typified by Occupy Wall Street, protesters around the world holding up signs and shouting, signing petitions, and voting. None of these are effective strategies. To formulate an effective strategy - one that strikes at (and if successful, "uproots") the root of the problem, we need to use our heads. Allow the passion and compassion of our hearts to send vital energy to our heads (where the compassion will temper any plan to make sure it is within the bounds of compassion.)

I know that the USA is the nexus of the global problems. Bogeyman's thread, "US always to blame?" is answered by the fact that the top-tier of global controllers set up shop in the USA,


created the Federal Reserve and made the US dollar the reserve currency,
made the "debt as money" scheme global and funneling back to them,
control the US government which means they control legislation to make their heinous and obviously immoral and illegal activities legal, and
control the largest and best-equipped, most extensively connected (intelligence/surveillance/network) military in the history of the world to do their bidding.


So, any plan for "freedom" has to be USA-centric, at the root. (Even if you are in another country, your freedom means getting out from under the control of the USA, which is currently the Global Controller major tool.)

Any plan for freedom must not include asking or begging those in power to give us freedom. It won't work, because these individuals are minions of the Global Controllers.

Most (60%?) US manufacturing has been destroyed by megacorporations off-shoring to countries where exploitation is easy and resources (physical and human) are cheap. The US is largely now a nation of importers, warehouses, and distributors where once there was manufacturing and self-sufficiency. Robotics has increased exponentially, also displacing workers, and making the energy of a worker "worth less." But, we still have enough working people - critical to the functioning of corporations and banks - that the most powerful action we have would be a nationwide general strike. No picket lines, no marches, just a stay-at-home strike (so agents provocateur could not fake citizen violence and create black-ops created violence that would be blamed on citizens.)

But, why strike - for what outcome? If you ask 1000 activists that question, 995 of them are going to make up a list of demands that would leave the controllers in control! That is where the ideas of The Reset Button document diverge from so many activists with tunnel vision.

The controllers must not remain in control, or any freedom will be an illusion, and will be temporary.

The controllers' mechanisms for getting their people back into control must be disassembled, or any freedom will be an illusion, and will be temporary.

So now you know where the plan and strategy for The Reset Button (http://www.resetbutton2012.org) come from.

For the strategy to work, somewhere between 10% to 15% of the nation's workforce would have to simultaneously go on general strike, with no ending date, with the demand being the ratification of one amendment and the passage of one law that would take the controllers out of control and destroy their mechanisms (all nine mechanisms) for them regaining control.

The one amendment and one law do not, in themselves, completely create freedom. But this law and amendment would remove the sociopathic controllers from control, and create the functional capability for freedom (which simply does not exist now.)

Dennis

edit, to underscore that the concept of community building is Critical because this scope of nurturing must be done for true freedom and happiness to flourish. Anyone interested in making The Reset Button or any other comprehensive plan work should already be assimilating "off-grid" knowledge and acquiring the goods it takes to sustain the community throughout the "non-violent war with the controllers." We can't go on nationwide general strike "for as long as it takes" unless we can back up the "for as long as it takes" part, and that requires us to be physically ready as well as mentally.

Kristin
13th February 2013, 18:44
Interesting post Dennis,

I know communities who have achieved what they wanted by communally buying a large tract of land, then creating a non for profit and making the community non tax liable under 501 3K... also, you can join the Universal life Church of Medeski (sp) California for $50 and you will not have to pay taxes under the US laws allowance for churches to be tax deductible. Otherwise, if you go off grid, you will need to pay land tax. Depending on where you live, that could be extensive to not.

From the Heart,
Kristin

Dennis Leahy
13th February 2013, 19:00
Interesting post Dennis,

I know communities who have achieved what they wanted by communally buying a large tract of land, then creating a non for profit and making the community non tax liable under 501 3K... also, you can join the Universal life Church of Medeski (sp) California for $50 and you will not have to pay taxes under the US laws allowance for churches to be tax deductible. Otherwise, if you go off grid, you will need to pay land tax. Depending on where you live, that could be extensive to not.

From the Heart,
KristinHi Kristin,

That's an interesting gambit, but I suspect that would remain a very small percentage of people overall, and thus have no effect on the global controllers or the subset of national controllers. Imagine having to tell the spirits of the dead millions of Iraqi, Afghani, Pakistani, Sudanese, Libyan, Egyptian, etc. etc. victims, and their living families, that we've given up on trying to stop the malevolent controllers but will nurture our own freedom.

Our plan simply must include stopping the Global Controllers from using the USA as a tool of global oppression (and assisting the citizens of other nations in stopping them too.) We are only free if we are all free.

Dennis

Dennis Leahy
13th February 2013, 22:23
I have two main concerns with plannning of this type:

1) Most likely anything we plan has already been long forseen, like me taking on Garry Kasparov in a chess match.
There are plans that can be made right in front of them, that they can do nothing about. Well, "nothing" is probably going too far - I suppose that if 10% to 15% of US citizens went on a stay-at-home strike, with the demand that one law and one amendment be made law, that they could do Project Bluebeam or nuclear strikes or a massive biological weapon... but what if the scenarios they have run show them that those desperate measures would not work in their favor? What if their AI brain has informed them that one thing that could defeat them is a comprehensive scenario very similar to The Reset Button?

If you read Wade Frazier, you know he has embraced comprehensivist approaches to solving major problems, which he gleaned from the Buckminster Fuller material.

Each of the current well-known activists working today has picked out a specific issue (war, or poverty, or banking fraud, or campaign finance reform, or universal health care, etc.) rather than take a comprehensive approach. For example, the "Move to Amend" folks are working on overturning the "Citizens United" Supreme Court case, apparently unaware that up until 2010, the Rich controlled all elections, so rolling things back to pre-2010 is meaningless. Imagine a rowboat with nine big holes drilled into the bottom. Overturning Citizens United is plugging one hole. Congress would still be full of representatives of the duopoly parties, who are in-turn controlled by the Rich. I think this is an excellent real-world example of a large and well-funded activist organization that does not understand the root issue, though they will tell you they have gone directly at the root issue. If they are successful (which I believe is impossible - they are asking the duopoly Congress to alter the rules of their own sponsorship into power), there would be no change in governance and who is in control.

Most activist organizations have picked out a niche area and are fighting for something we all want. But, they are doing it as peasants outside the castle walls, screaming at the Malevolent Lords of the Castle.They don't seem to realize that they (we) need to take over the castle and replace all of the "Lords" with ordinary citizens not tied to corporations to finally have a voice in governance. By fighting for issues that cannot and will not be solved, these activists fulfill Thoreau's description precisely.



2) What happens if we actually "win"? The U.S. Constitution was probably the greatest plan ever devised, and look at us now...Who takes charge if we "win", another form of government? Another ism? We've been down this road many times before IMO.The best parts (the most humanitarian parts) of the US Constitution were lifted from tribal society (the Iroquois Confederacy - Great Law of Peace), not by the rich, white, protestant landowners/slave-owners whose names (some flamboyantly penned) we associate with that document. That same original document declared blacks and "Indians" as worthless or worth less than whites, and women were not allowed to vote.

Flawed as the document is (and note the 27 times that is has been modified after the first release), it is a good starting point. "Look at us now", the present situation, is due to the takeover of the United States by bankers and corporations - partially the fault of the constitution's framers, by what is written and what is omitted, protecting their status and interests, and partially because of the weaknesses that were left in, that subsequent crooked politically and economically motivated judges and justices have allowed to be "interpreted."

Who takes charge if we win? Well, we have only tried oligarchy (administered through oligarchical representatives) throughout the entire US history. That ain't working for me.

I fiercely disagree with the notion that no matter who is "in charge", they will become corrupt. This is pure bullsh!t self-fulfilling prophecy based on hiring wave after wave of oligarch's representatives. Yes, agreed, if you hire a new cluster of oligarch's representatives, they are are already corrupt or are easily corrupted. Leave lobbying just the way it is, allow the rich to pre-select two people to represent the rich and put them on the ballot as our "selections" and the rich will be represented and it will all turn out badly - unless you're rich.

It is a huge mistake to look at the stinking pile of Senators and Representatives and Presidents that we have and have had and say that no matter who was in these positions, the outcome would be the same! Would it be true if you were in elected office? It wouldn't be true of me. What if ...


our starting point was to say, we're sick of the rich buying/controlling leadership positions, and create a law that only allows someone to run for office if they have no ties at all to corporations - not even any stock ownership in any corporations
And add that they would not be allowed to have any corporate ties or buy any stock for 5 years after serving in office (so they cannot "feather their nest")
And, add that "collusion" would be equated with "treason"
And, have no incumbency, seniority, or cronyism by limiting a person to one term (4 years) of service in any elected position
And, provide a mechanism where voters actually know (in writing) how the candidates stand on a couple of dozen major issues
And, provide a mechanism for citizens to be able to recall and even freeze the duties of representatives that were overwhelmingly found not to be in the service of citizen constituency, or not upholding the written positions they submitted as part of their candidacy

I say, that would make a REMARKABLE change in governance, an ASTOUNDING and REFRESHING change in governance.

If anyone wants a challenge, go back through all of the bills passed into law by the US Congress, and find the last one that was honestly (not Orwellian double-speak) a citizen-centric law. Or, an eco-centric law. Good luck. You'll be going back through literally decades of laws. The reason for this is very simple: Even though it might appear that the US government has only become a full-blown corporatocracy in the past 12 years, the reality is that the US has been a full-blown corporatocracy for at least 50 years, and it could easily be argued that the US government has been completely controlled by money interests for the entire time of its existence.

Let's try ordinary citizens running the country! You know, that cute saying that Abe Lincoln made up that we use for bumper-stickers and T-shirts: "a government of the people, by the people, and for the people." That's one thing we have NOT tried yet.


Dennis

Conchis
13th February 2013, 22:34
Unfortunately, I'm afraid if 15% of the population stayed out of work on a general strike, their replacement workers would be on the job by 9:15 a.m. I agree with you that they are definitely ready (more than ready) to deal with demonstrations, they even have some nifty new laws (dealing with protesting near anywhere that a secret service agent is protecting someone) that get hefty jail sentences for that. Well, that and a brand new billion bullets to work with. Most "riots" are actually started by the plants the government has inside of the crowds, so you can't really plan on a peaceful anything. It's a thorny little problem all right, but not an insoluble one.

Silo
14th February 2013, 00:01
I agree with Dennis.

Getting the money out of the decision making will be a tremendous first step.

Hughe
14th February 2013, 01:23
Do whatever I can for protecting my freedom first because I'm the one who defines the world around me. Once I'll master how to grow food and produce/use electric energy independently, I'll truly live as a free being in physical reality.

I can laugh at millionaires who think money is everything nowadays. It will be interesting when things get bad. For example the power grid becomes unstable, food distribution is interrupted, cost of living will high exponentially. Most Koreans think they need to have around one million dollar for comfortable living after retirement. Well, that's pretty delusional misunderstanding. Right?

My estimated calculation of living cost for three decades leads to approximately one million US dollars in this second world country. It's technically impossible to save one million dollar by having a normal job. Eighty percent of income goes to various energy purchase. Low income classes are technically debt slaves. Owning a car for three decades demand about $200,000 ($100,000 is tax to the government). House asks another $200,000 to $300,000. Cost of health management, food and clothes, and various bills and price of ever increasing energy price. The absurd reality is if present worlds will exits for thirty years as it has been, a person, whose survival based on money value, will be default in bank account sooner or later.

The moment grid falls, entire society stops working instantly. All $$$ in bank accounts simple disappeared. Total chaos or living hell within few days. Over fifty years old people hardly do not care about what's the stake they are dealing with. Young generations repeats the elders' stupidity again and again.

Why do I work for the monstrous system that consider members as expandable? I moved on since then. People are intimidated by my presence most of time. Some of them are even afraid of me because my ideas are direct threat to their power. I felt bad when I see elders or established professionals being cornered. So I've been drawing the line, trying to live under the radar, secretively. It's good for the both parties.

I've been plugging out myself from the system step by step. I ditched public sickcare system, insurance policies, a car. Bye bye. I'm working on hard to build a good shelter that has self-sufficient features in case of massive blackout. Half way is done. I might help few people that I care.

Each individual has unique circumstance. If I had little more money and advanced knowledge, I would have built a small community that uses Permaculture and FE energy technologies. My attempts to find few open-minded people failed.

It smacked my head big time that life will be totally different when I'm free from the forced labor to survive. I'm in the process of practical self actualization. It seems all the answers to solve problems are within ourselves. To get rid of the ultimate fear of death, one has to play with deaths many times and experience death and what's beyond. After all we have to face our own death one day.

Good news is next month is the start of spring season. Finally! Feel the force of nature, let's be more active.

sdv
14th February 2013, 08:06
It is a huge mistake to look at the stinking pile of Senators and Representatives and Presidents that we have and have had and say that no matter who was in these positions, the outcome would be the same! Would it be true if you were in elected office? It wouldn't be true of me. What if ...
our starting point was to say, we're sick of the rich buying/controlling leadership positions, and create a law that only allows someone to run for office if they have no ties at all to corporations - not even any stock ownership in any corporations
And add that they would not be allowed to have any corporate ties or buy any stock for 5 years after serving in office (so they cannot "feather their nest")
And, add that "collusion" would be equated with "treason"
And, have no incumbency, seniority, or cronyism by limiting a person to one term (4 years) of service in any elected position
And, provide a mechanism where voters actually know (in writing) how the candidates stand on a couple of dozen major issues
And, provide a mechanism for citizens to be able to recall and even freeze the duties of representatives that were overwhelmingly found not to be in the service of citizen constituency, or not upholding the written positions they submitted as part of their candidacy
I say, that would make a REMARKABLE change in governance, an ASTOUNDING and REFRESHING change in governance.

Now, that's wisdom!

Yes, we can acknowledge that human beings are easily corruptible and thus put checks and balances in place. The above list of rules is a good place to start.

Ernie Nemeth
14th February 2013, 14:55
The best we can do now is educate ourselves, exercise patience, hope for the best and have faith. Individuals of means can band together, start communal projects aimed at self-sufficiency and the like - be the change we want to see. Be a living example, per se.

The side of good lost this battle once before in the distant past, now we bide our time. At the exact perfect time we will act as one.

It is not that time yet.

Unfortunately, we must wait until the shtf and rudely awakens the masses.

Then we can act in unison for the good of all.

The best thing we can do is not give in to fear. Fear is contagious and non-constructive. It does not serve us.

Lay low, make personal plans, try to educate your neighbors, and sound off when it is safe to do so. Otherwise collect your energies - they will be needed soon enough.

Dennis Leahy
14th February 2013, 17:56
Unfortunately, I'm afraid if 15% of the population stayed out of work on a general strike, their replacement workers would be on the job by 9:15 a.m.
...
It's a thorny little problem all right, but not an insoluble one.If 10% to 15% of the workers in the US (this is about 15 to 20 million people) put it on the line, made the demand that Congress pass this one law and one amendment that create "Election Reform", and the Congress refuses, and these workers go on general strike... at the very worst the entire population of 330 million would become aware of the issue. It would be impossible for the mainscream media to hide it, and the person-to-person networking would be more powerful than anything televised. Instead of trying to slowly network one Facebook post, one forum post, one conversation over coffee at at time, this would force an IMMEDIATE mass awakening to the issue. Everyone in the US would immediately know that it is true: we are controlled and ruled by the rich, and they refuse to give up their rule. The genie would be out of the bottle. It would be impossible for people to go from that knowledge to a place where they do not know, and are fooled into thinking that we already have "a government of the people by the people and for the people."

Right now, there is what has to be described as a mass hypnotic spell on a huge percentage of the US population, and another large percentage is fighting to stay in denial using cognitive dissonance.

Imagine if 15 to 20 million people made this commitment - willing to risk their jobs - with the one demand being such a reasonable demand: we no longer want the rich to run elections, pick out our candidates, and have us choose one of their representatives. We the people want to represent ourselves. Citizens governing citizens.

Imagine the US government trying to explain, through their propaganda, why ordinary citizens cannot be allowed to actually be in all positions of governance. If that number of people go on strike, it wouldn't matter if every job was lost to someone else in 15 seconds - the spell would be broken, forever.

So, if it doesn't work on the first try, it creates the inevitability that it will work within months. It is something they cannot stop.

Ordinary citizens selecting ordinary citizens to run for office, ordinary citizens electing ordinary citizens to take temporary (4-year) positions serving in all elected positions. Why is is so goddamned hard to spread this idea like wildfire? Someone, or a thousand someones, please step forward and help spread this. It is the only idea anyone has presented in my entire lifetime that would actually create what is now the mythical government of the people by the people and for the people. Or else someone please shoot me dead with a few clips of the 40 caliber hollow-point bullets for the Department of Homeland Security. I am so frustrated with cowards and idiots and sheeple and new-agers and government employees that I have no words to describe my frustration. We are not going to meditate our way out of this! And strictly calling self-subsistance the answer is blatant cowardice, turning your backs, covering your ears, and averting your eyes to the reality of what the bankers and corporations colluding with the US government are doing to the Earth and all lifeforms, acquiescence to the outrageous forces of evil, the destruction, death, and mayhem that is the hallmark of the current US government.

Don't save a spot for me in your self-sustaining community if you have abandoned your responsibility to the rest of the planet - it would be as bad as being in an underground bunker with the monsters.

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I promised someone I would write up a list of organic seed companies, and I will do that. Other than that, I think I had better take at least a break from Avalon as it infuriates me that here, of all places, I have not found at least a few hundred people that can understand the concept of "striking at the root", and actually figuring out what - very specifically what - that means, and at least trying to help spread the idea. It doesn't have to be The Reset Button that is spread, maybe someone else can come up with something better to spread. But we have to unite under SOME plan and strategy that ousts the monsters and keeps them out - I know many of you can see that our time where we will even be able to act is coming to a close. The WHOLE WORLD is counting on US citizens to stand up. I'll follow any plan if it could POSSIBLY work. Waiting until "later" is EXACTLY what they are counting on us doing.

Dennis

Kristin
14th February 2013, 19:27
Dennis,

You've got great ideas, nonviolent and progressive. You're intellegent and even headed. You could do anything if you put your heart into it. I certianly hope that this is indeed the case. It's time to organize and act!

From the Heart,
Kristin

Dennis Leahy
14th February 2013, 21:22
Not a "parting shot", but something just too important not to share:

An article appeared in TruthOut dated yesterday (Feb 13, 2013) that is absolutely brilliant. A must-read for anyone who actually cares about these topics (of democracy and representation and the Elite and elections and corporatocracy) and understands the significance of the issues. You can't solve a problem you don't fully understand, and this article is just about guaranteed to hone your understanding of the issues that underlie Corey's thread topic:

Lifting the Veil of Mirage Democracy in the United States (http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/14489-lifting-the-veil-of-mirage-democracy-in-the-united-states) <------ please, grab a cup of coffee or tea and spend the time to read - not just scan - this article.


"We live in a mirage democracy," Zeese and Flowers assert, as they trace the history and describe the institutions of a not-so-robust US democracy. "Democracy" demokratia = demos+kratia; or democracy = people+power.

The "greatest democracy on Earth" is how the United States is portrayed to its people and the world. The hallowed words "We the people" and "Of, by and for the people" echo in the minds of Americans to characterize the United States. But do they accurately describe the "democracy" we have?
In reality, a constant conflict that has existed throughout US history, indeed throughout the history of democratic states, is present between the elites and the people. Justice Louis Brandeis said it well when he stated, "We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."

(read the article): http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/14489-lifting-the-veil-of-mirage-democracy-in-the-united-states

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Also: You should have already figured out that we have incredible access to an honest historian (which has become nearly an oxymoron) in Wade Frazier, in his essays here on Avalon with links to his site. Reading Wade's essays is time well spent.

Dennis

TigaHawk
14th February 2013, 21:37
We allways seem to seek others to blame rather than ourselves because of our inaction to prevent it.

spiritguide
15th February 2013, 00:17
Dennis,

What you postulate is more than worthy of publication and distribution. Please publish a referendum stating the electoral needs of the people so that we can distribute it far and wide. Being for the benefit of the future this could be taken by the young people who need this in the future. Just because the young people cannot vote does not mean they must stifle their opinion for what is right. Our future is our children, teach them well and allow their energies to be used for the betterment of their inheritance. Publish it and request distribution, a billboard will be in your future. Heck, I'll rent one for ya.

Marianne
15th February 2013, 13:59
Dennis,

What you postulate is more than worthy of publication and distribution. Please publish a referendum stating the electoral needs of the people so that we can distribute it far and wide. Being for the benefit of the future this could be taken by the young people who need this in the future. Just because the young people cannot vote does not mean they must stifle their opinion for what is right. Our future is our children, teach them well and allow their energies to be used for the betterment of their inheritance. Publish it and request distribution, a billboard will be in your future. Heck, I'll rent one for ya.

Spiritguide, have you read Dennis' Reset Document? Here is the thread.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44014-The-Reset-Button-2012

kcbc2010
15th February 2013, 17:06
The problem is that too many people see themselves as dependent on the current system.

Personally, I like the ideas that Dennis is bringing up, but it's so hard to arouse the masses to the fact that there is a problem - when every stupid little problem is labelled "the crisis of the century."

For the 2014 elections, I've had some of these conversations....people specifically asking who else can we put up because we don't like Congressman "tool for TPTB".

I say, let's figure out some names and organize and get money/volunteers to get behind 'non-tool' candidate. Then I start hearing crickets. People simply don't want to do the work. I know I fall into the trap of hoping that someone else can carry the water on this or that project. My problem is that I don't go to enough meetings to know who's out there and could be a viable alternative. I just haven't cultivated those relationships in recent years. But I know others who do and and should have ideas for who could be a good candidate.

I tend to buy the fact that people are lazy and don't want to do the work. It's really disturbing because this reaction is coming from people in the political class who know how raise money and win elections. We aren't even starting off w/complete political newbies, who have no experience doing anything political.

Sadly, people would rather complain about what they've got than actually do the work to get the new person they actually want in office. Hypocrites!

These days, I ask them to tell me who their candidate is for 2014 or just shut up and stop complaining. Maybe that isn't the right approach, but I'm sick of people complaining, but not willing to do the work to put up an alternative that can win.

If political activists are acting this way, then I don't expect much from the general voting public. Sorry. I want to be more optimistic, but I'm just not.

GoodETxSG
16th February 2013, 16:54
Thank you all... I do see where some of the skepticism comes from. There have been some really good efforts in the past that did not get coverage and were Quashed... THIS did not help; http://world.time.com/2013/02/15/viewpoint-why-was-the-biggest-protest-in-world-history-ignored/

I also understand the other perspectives and see their validity. The point about the time of the SHTF coming may indeed be that EVENT that causes people to look to others that are awake and aware for guidance and education. Those of us that will be required much of need to prepare now and try to get others as prepared as possible to have some sort of ideas on how to proceed responsibly.

Organizing and volunteering is a great idea... to gain skills, knowledge and to network. Just as we are doing right now.
;)

Mad Hatter
16th February 2013, 17:42
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55882-Max-Igan-Round-Table-Discussion-What-the-FUQ-The-One-People-s-Public-Trust

Non violent simple action anyone can do now....

GoodETxSG
3rd March 2013, 18:00
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56535-The-Great-Awakening-Sheeple-realizing-that-the-shepherd--NWO--will-consume-them&p=643678#post643678

The Great Awakening - Sheeple realizing that the shepherd (NWO) will consume them
The Great Awakening

gripreaper
3rd March 2013, 18:09
I feel you... I totally agree with NON VIOLENT opposition and NON COMPLIANCE! I am sure all of that will have a time and place in the timeline of this struggle.

But WE have to play by the RULE of LAW and THEY DON'T! I do not want to give them an (Post NDAA like they NEED one now) excuse to throw me in prison and have the message PsyOp'ed and thrown in with the MSM famous group... "Nutty Right Wing Anti Government/IRS, Gun Toting Conspiracy Theorist".

I really like where the Thread is going. I too have notices how grass roots groups and movements never seem to get off the ground or are infiltrated and scandalized. I dunno... maybe there are other groups like this all over the world and all we need to do is seek each other out and begin to network.


Another way to fight this is to stop paying taxes, period. Why are we funding those that want to destroy us? This is stupid.
STOP PAYING THESE JACKASSES TO DESTROY YOU.

Dean Clifford was kidnapped over a month ago now, and still no news that I know of in the last two weeks. Jerry and Joe Kane, Billy Faust, and how many more? Until we reach a tipping point, rogue individualists who go out and set up their soapboxes, become targets.

We must take care of the first order of business, which is getting our own fiscal houses in order, decentralize basic services and return them to our own communities, and continue to awaken the masses with each opportunity we have. When this "flashes" and the 100th monkey shows up, you'll know what to do.

GoodETxSG
3rd March 2013, 21:20
Wonderful quote and one that should inspire each of us to stop thinking "WHAT CAN I DO?" and get off their rears and DO IT!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_exchange_trading_system

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world.
Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.

Margaret Mead (1901-1978)

Zelig
3rd March 2013, 21:53
I feel you... I totally agree with NON VIOLENT opposition and NON COMPLIANCE! I am sure all of that will have a time and place in the timeline of this struggle.

But WE have to play by the RULE of LAW and THEY DON'T! I do not want to give them an (Post NDAA like they NEED one now) excuse to throw me in prison and have the message PsyOp'ed and thrown in with the MSM famous group... "Nutty Right Wing Anti Government/IRS, Gun Toting Conspiracy Theorist".

I really like where the Thread is going. I too have notices how grass roots groups and movements never seem to get off the ground or are infiltrated and scandalized. I dunno... maybe there are other groups like this all over the world and all we need to do is seek each other out and begin to network.


Another way to fight this is to stop paying taxes, period. Why are we funding those that want to destroy us? This is stupid.
STOP PAYING THESE JACKASSES TO DESTROY YOU.

Dean Clifford was kidnapped over a month ago now, and still no news that I know of in the last two weeks. Jerry and Joe Kane, Billy Faust, and how many more? Until we reach a tipping point, rogue individualists who go out and set up their soapboxes, become targets.

We must take care of the first order of business, which is getting our own fiscal houses in order, decentralize basic services and return them to our own communities, and continue to awaken the masses with each opportunity we have. When this "flashes" and the 100th monkey shows up, you'll know what to do.

It appears that Dean was released recently.

http://deanclifford.info/category/news/

mosquito
4th March 2013, 02:12
Bumpety bump bump bump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GoodETxSG
26th April 2013, 23:54
The way events are unfolding around the country and the globe I have a feeling this is a question you are going to have to answer to yourself SOON! Whether you want to or not!

We on sites like this are ďAwakeĒ, the scary thing is going to be when the ďAverage JoeĒ who has bought the Main Stream Media and Government BS for so long wakes up... Most likely right after a total economic collapse.

Theirs is the reaction that all sides are preparing for and dreading. I know it depends on how it all unfolds. But if it starts with tanks and armored personnel locking down towns and TV's going to public announcement's to stand by for Authorities to Brief the Public then I hope everyone that does not want to engage in violence have provisions for several weeks for their families while all Hell breaks loose.

No one can really argue that we are reaching a climax on all of this corruption both financial and political. When Americans find out (If it works out to where we do find out) what all has been done in our names with our tax money I am sure there will be millions of people in the streets mostly to peacefully protest. Then much like nearly 300 years ago one side will fire and we could be in tatters as a country.

That is an extremely negative time line!!!

One we can avoid, if we can come together and as I have been saying and David Wilcock recently wrote an article on (As others I am sure) as it is so obvious... MEDITATE and PRAY for LOVE and PEACE. Unplug from the fear and together consciously create a peaceful END to all of this Evil that WE have allowed for too long.

Is that too much to ask of you... Is that too much for you to give for freedom... for peace for your children???