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watchZEITGEISTnow
15th February 2013, 05:13
http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/


A series of explosions in the skies of Russia’s Urals region, reportedly caused by a meteor shower, has sparked panic in three major cities. Witnesses said that houses shuddered, windows were blown out and cellphones stopped working.

Atmospheric phenomena have been registered in the cities of Chelyabinsk, Yekaterinburg and Tyumen.

In Chelyabinsk, witnesses said the explosion was so loud that it resembled an earthquake and thunder at the same time, and that there were huge trails of smoke across the sky. Others reported seeing burning objects fall to earth.

heads up!

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watchZEITGEISTnow
15th February 2013, 05:24
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Loud explosions heard in this one...

KiwiElf
15th February 2013, 06:14
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10865697

6:45 PM Friday Feb 15, 2013

A meteor shower has caused explosions in the lower atmosphere above central Russia and the Urals region, blowing out windows and causing injuries.

"There was a meteor shower, without fragments falling to the ground," an emergencies ministry spokesman told the Interfax news agency on Friday (today).

"A meteorite exploded above the Chelyabinsk region (of the Urals). The shock wave blew out windows in several places."

The interior ministry said people had been injured by flying glass at a school in Chelyabinsk.

This comes just 15 hours before Asteroid DA14 is due to make it's closest flypast to Earth (at around 19:30 UT)

KiwiElf
15th February 2013, 06:24
Meteor shower reported in eastern Russia
18:24 UT Reuters – 54 mins ago

CHELYABINSK, Russia (Reuters) - A powerful blast rocked the Russian region of the Urals early on Friday with bright objects, identified as possible meteorites, falling from the sky, emergency officials said.

http://news.yahoo.com/possible-meteor-shower-reported-eastern-russia-052833588.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=feed

"It was definitely not a plane," an emergency official told Reuters, without elaborating. "We are gathering the bits of information and have no data on the casualties so far."

No one was hurt in a meteor shower, an emergency official told RIA-Novosti. Local residents said they witnessed burning objects in the sky of the Chelyabinsk and Sverdlovsk regions.

A Reuters witness in Chelyabinsk reported hearing a huge blast early in the morning and feeling a shockwave in a 19-storey building in the town center.

The sounds of car alarms and breaking windows could be heard in the area, the witness said, and mobile phones were working intermittently.

"Preliminary indications are that it was a meteorite rain," an emergency official told RIA-Novosti. "We have information about a blast at 10,000-meter (32,800-foot) altitude. It is being verified."

The trace from a falling object could be seen in Yekaterinburg, some 200 kilometers (125 miles) southeast of Chelyabinsk, another Reuters witness said.

(Reporting by Andrey Kuzmin and Natalia Shurmina, Writing by Alexei Anishchuk; Editing by Xavier Briand)

Hervé
15th February 2013, 06:37
See this thread as well: Meteorite crash in Russia: UFO fears spark panic in the Urals (VIDEO, PHOTOS) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55842-Meteorite-crash-in-Russia-UFO-fears-spark-panic-in-the-Urals--VIDEO-PHOTOS-)

Hervé
15th February 2013, 06:37
Also, see this thread: Breaking News! Meteor shower falling over Russian mountains (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55844-Breaking-News--Meteor-shower-falling-over-Russian-mountains)

KiwiElf
15th February 2013, 06:43
Thanks Amzer - he beat me! Mods please merge ;)

[mod edit -threads merged]

Tangri
15th February 2013, 07:03
http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/


A series of explosions in the skies of Russia’s Urals region, reportedly caused by a meteor shower, has sparked panic in three major cities. Witnesses said that houses shuddered, windows were blown out and cellphones stopped working.

Atmospheric phenomena have been registered in the cities of Chelyabinsk, Yekaterinburg and Tyumen.

In Chelyabinsk, witnesses said the explosion was so loud that it resembled an earthquake and thunder at the same time, and that there were huge trails of smoke across the sky. Others reported seeing burning objects fall to earth.

heads up!

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It is a fake video, check street lights they are disappearing at the trail like trails front of the pool.
0:45, 0:52

KiwiElf
15th February 2013, 07:21
I don't think so Tangri - considering it just happened a short time ago. That's flare out from the auto lighting on the camera me thinks ;)

watchZEITGEISTnow
15th February 2013, 07:42
My question is what was this building?
http://rt.com/files/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/photo-user-34.jpg

gigha
15th February 2013, 07:46
Seems strange why there is so much damage to some windows and not others in this vid from RT. I think it was a Zinc factory. Don't know too much about Zinc?

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Referee
15th February 2013, 07:56
Looks like 5 total Metorites

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gigha
15th February 2013, 08:14
The thing i don't get is there is some major damage to buildings

so how come people and other objects were not disrupted?

other than is being reported from flying glass :confused:

Hervé
15th February 2013, 08:28
That's just the beginning of the "Wave":

See this collection of archived articles on the subject: Fire in the Sky (http://www.sott.net/category/17-Fire-in-the-Sky)

gigha
15th February 2013, 08:32
Seems like a strange shockwave to me.

Referee
15th February 2013, 08:38
IMO Glass was broken by a sonic boom or the concussion of an exploding meteorite. The damage to the Zinc factory most likely hit by one of the pieces of meteorite.

MorningSong
15th February 2013, 08:52
400 injuries reported after meteorite falls in Russia's Ural mountains
February 15, 2013

A meteor streaked across the sky above Russia's Ural Mountains on Friday morning, causing sharp explosions and injuring more than 400 people, many of them hurt by broken glass.

Fragments of the meteor fell in a thinly populated area of the Chelyabinsk region, the Emergency Ministry said in a statement.

Interior Ministry spokesman Vadim Kolesnikov said more than 400 people had sought medical treatment after the blasts, and at least three had been hospitalized in serious condition. Many of the injuries were from glass broken by the explosions.

Kolsenikov also said about 6,000 square feet of a roof at a zinc factory had collapsed.

Reports conflicted on what exactly happened in the clear skies. A spokeswoman for the Emergency Ministry, Irina Rossius, told The Associated Press that there was a meteor shower, but another ministry spokeswoman, Elena Smirnikh, was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying it was a single meteorite.

Amateur video broadcast on Russian television showed an object speeding across the sky about 9:20 a.m. local time, leaving a thick white contrail and an intense flash.



http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/15/injuries-reported-after-meteorite-falls-in-russia-ural-mountains/

Aurvandil
15th February 2013, 09:23
This comes just 15 hours before Asteroid DA14 is due to make it's closest flypast to Earth (at around 19:30 UT)

Strange enough, even if the flypast has been written about a lot the last few days - now it is hardly mentioned! I have found only two about twelve papers who reports the connection.

- - Edit - -

What about this :

According to unconfirmed reports, the meteorite was intercepted by an air defense unit at the Urzhumka settlement near Chelyabinsk. A missile salvo blew the meteorite to pieces at an altitude of 20 kilometers, local newspaper Znak reports quoting a source in the military.

http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/

Star Tsar
15th February 2013, 09:43
Did you guys hear in that news report that region was a top secret NUCLEAR facility?!?!?!

Some say its The most contaminated spot on the planet...

http://www.wentz.net/radiate/cheyla/cheldis.html

Very Interesting!

MorningSong
15th February 2013, 09:47
The questions are: What actually fell out of the sky? Was it a companion of the DA14? Are there more to come? Was it perhaps a SAT disturbed from its orbit by the approach of DA14? Or was it DA14 that arrived earlier than planned?

Here is an interesting compilation of webcams that recorded the passage and flash of this "meteorite":

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MorningSong
15th February 2013, 10:33
I found this fellow's blog...he's trying to figure it all out...


My heart was pounding watching those. I have to admit, at first I was thinking this was an elaborate hoax, but the reports are coming in from everywhere. The videos show it at many different angles.

There are jaw-dropping photos posted here. [UPDATE: Stunning photos of the trail left by the meteor are posted at Chelyabinsk.ru.]

I’m trying to piece together what happened from the videos. First of all, I do not think this is related in any way to the asteroid 2102 DA14! For one thing, this occurred about 16 hours before DA14 passes. At 8 kilometers per second that’s nearly half a million kilometers away from DA14. That puts it on a totally different orbit.

For another, from the lighting, time of day, and videos showing the rising Sun, it looks like this was moving mostly east-to-west. I may be off, but that’s how it looks. DA14 is approaching Earth from the south, so any fragment of that rock would also appear to move south-to-north.

So again, I think this is unrelated to 2012 DA14. But wow, what a huge coincidence!

I don’t know how big the meteoroid (the solid part) of this was. The information is too scattered; we’d need the position of the people who took the videos to triangulate and see how far up the debris trail is, for example. I’ll note that people were taking video of the trail for some time before the explosion is heard, which is consistent with it being the shock wave from the passage of the meteoroid through our atmosphere high above the ground. I know a lot of folks will think that’s the sound from the explosion due to impact, but it’s more likely to be the sonic boom from something big moving at multiple times the speed of sound through the air.

As far as impact goes, the most likely scenario is that this broke up many kilometers above the ground, and may rain down chunks. Many large meteors do this, with meteorites (the pieces that fall to the ground) found downrange. Once the fall is found, we’ll be able to get a better idea of how big this thing was, and of course what it was made of (rock, metal, a mix of both). I’m trying to track down reliable reports of actual impacts.

The train (the term used for a meteor trail) is interesting indeed. It appears to split, so I’m guessing the main mass split there. That’s not surprising; it’s happened with previous falls (like Sikhote-Alin). That means they could have disintegrated at different times, so there may be multiple places where pieces could fall.

For now, that’s all I have. I’ll update this post as I hear more.


Hopefully he will... so we can ponder over it, too.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/02/15/breaking_huge_meteor_explodes_over_russia.html

Must see videos and photo links:

http://zyalt.livejournal.com/722930.html

http://chelyabinsk.ru/text/news/621775.html

gigha
15th February 2013, 11:19
The smoke trail or whatever it was did not seem to be above even 10;000 feet

I would think several hundred feet

well that was some kind of metiorite :ufo:

:cheers:

gigha
15th February 2013, 11:35
Oh before i go night night

look at the damage

i would suggest

think Dr Judy Wood

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panopticon
15th February 2013, 11:41
RT is reporting (http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/) that three impact sites have been found by the Russian military, the largest being a 6 metre crater near Chebarku.

Also:

the meteorite was intercepted by an air defense unit at the Urzhumka settlement near Chelyabinsk. A missile salvo blew the meteorite to pieces at an altitude of 20 kilometers, local newspaper Znak reports quoting a source in the military.


Russian space agency Roskosmos has confirmed the object that crashed in the Chelyabinsk region is a meteorite: “According to preliminary estimates, this space object is of non-technogenic origin and qualifies as a meteorite. It was moving at a low trajectory with a speed of about 30 km/s.”
According to estimates by the Russian Academy of Sciences, the space object weighed about 10 tons before entering Earth’s atmosphere.
Source (http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/).

BTW, something feels a bit off with this story.

gigha
15th February 2013, 11:57
U F O

When we see what is

then we will understand

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panopticon
15th February 2013, 12:16
I don't know what to make of this from RT because it's already been reported that there was no evidence of radiation:


12:01 GMT: The site where the meteorite is believed to have fallen has been closed off by military units wearing special protective suits.
Source (http://rt.com/news/russia-meteor-meteorite-asteroid-chelyabinsk-291/).

Hervé
15th February 2013, 12:21
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21468116:


15 February 2013 Last updated at 06:46 ET
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Meteor strike injures hundreds in central Russia

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65904000/jpg/_65904826_65902211.jpg


The BBC's Daniel Sandford says people described a ball of fire in the sky

A meteor crashing in Russia's Ural mountains has injured at least 500 people, as the shockwave blew out windows and rocked buildings.

Most of those hurt suffered minor cuts and bruises but some received head injuries, Russian officials report.

A fireball was seen streaking through the clear morning sky above the city of Yekaterinburg, followed by loud bangs.

A large meteor fragment landed in a lake near Chebarkul, a town in the neighbouring Chelyabinsk region.

Much of the impact was felt in the city of Chelyabinsk, some 200km (125 miles) south of Yekaterinburg.

“It suddenly became as bright as if it was day” Viktor Prokofiev Yekaterinburg resident

"It was quite extraordinary," Chelyabinsk resident Polina Zolotarevskaya told BBC News. "We saw a very bright light and then there was a kind of a track, white and yellow in the sky."

"The explosion was so strong that some windows in our building and in the buildings that are across the road and in the city in general, the windows broke."

Officials say a large meteor partially burned up in the lower atmosphere, resulting in fragments falling earthwards.

Thousands of rescue workers have been dispatched to the area to provide help to the injured, the emergencies ministry said.

The Chelyabinsk region, about 1,500km (930 miles) east of Moscow, is home to many factories, a nuclear power plant and the Mayak atomic waste storage and treatment centre.

'Blinding'
Of 514 people injured in the Chelyabinsk region, 11 were being treated in hospital, the regional emergencies agency said in a statement.

Among those affected by the meteor were children, in school when it fell at around 09:20 (03:20 GMT).

Video posted online showed frightened, screaming youngsters at one Chelyabinsk school, where corridors were littered with broken glass.

Chelyabinsk resident Sergei Serskov told BBC News the city had felt like a "war zone" for 20 to 30 minutes.

"I was in the office when suddenly I saw a really bright flash in the window in front of me," he said.

"Then I smelt fumes. I looked out the window and saw a huge line of smoke, like you get from a plane but many times bigger."

"A few minutes later the window suddenly came open and there was a huge explosion, followed by lots of little explosions."

In Yekaterinburg, 36-year-old resident Viktor Prokofiev was driving to work when he witnessed the event.

"It was quite dark, but it suddenly became as bright as if it was day," he was quoted by Reuters as saying.

"I felt like I was blinded by headlights."

Debris also reportedly fell on the west Siberian region of Tyumen.

The governor of Chelyabinsk region, Mikhail Yurevich, reported that the meteor had landed in a lake 1km outside Chebarkul, which has a population of 46,000.

A Russian army spokesman said a crater six metres (yards) wide had been found on the shore of the lake.

Asteroid coincidence
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The Russian Academy of Sciences estimates that the meteor weighed about 10 tonnes and entered the Earth's atmosphere at a speed of at least 54,000 km/h (33,000mph).

It would have shattered about 30-50km (18-32 miles) above ground, with most of the meteor burning up.

Scientists have played down suggestions that there is any link between the event in the Urals and 2012 DA14, an asteroid expected to race past the Earth on Friday at a distance of just 27,700km (17,200 miles) - the closest ever predicted for an object of that size.

Prof Alan Fitzsimmons, of the Astrophysics Research Centre at Queen's University Belfast, said there was "almost definitely" no connection.

"One reason is that 2012 DA14 is approaching Earth from the south, and this object hit in the northern hemisphere," he told BBC News.

"This is literally a cosmic coincidence, although a spectacular one."

Such meteor strikes are rare in Russia but one is thought to have devastated an area of more than 2,000 sq km (1,250m) in Siberia in 1908.

Are you in central Russia? Did you see the meteor shower? Send us your experiences using the form below.

Send your pictures and videos to yourpics@bbc.co.uk or text them to 61124 (UK) or +44 7624 800 100 (International). If you have a large file you can upload here (http://bbcnewsupload.streamuk.com/).


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Asteroids, meteors and meteorites



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Asteroids are small bodies that orbit the Sun as the Earth does
Larger asteroids are called planetoids or minor planets, smaller ones often called meteoroids
Once any of these enters our planet's atmosphere, it becomes a meteor
Many meteors break into pieces or burn up entirely as they speed through the atmosphere
Once meteors or fragments actually impact the surface, they become meteorites

The Truth Is In There
15th February 2013, 12:41
"A fiery dragon will cross the sky
Six times before the earth shall die.
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
For the six heralds in this prophecy."
(Mother Shipton)

that was number one.

panopticon
15th February 2013, 12:41
Now there is official denial that the meteor was fired on by the Russian military, "no aircraft was in the air", however I read the report to mean it came from ground based missiles.


12:24 GMT: The military had nothing to do with the aerial meteorite explosion, the Urals Emergency Ministry said: "Russia's defense ministry took no action connected to the incident. No aircrafts has been registered in the air at the given period of time." Earlier, there were unconfirmed reports that the military had shot down the falling meteorite, shattering it into pieces.
Source (http://rt.com/news/russia-meteor-meteorite-asteroid-chelyabinsk-291/).

Why are there military units in 'special protective suits' near the impact crater?
Curiouser and curiouser.

Reported by RT to be an image of crater:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDJN5yvCIAAByu0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDJN5yvCIAAByu0.jpg

Those guys don't seem to be wearing any protective suits.
Hmmmm.

Keltikmuse
15th February 2013, 12:42
More vids. http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/15/3991132/russia-meteorite-explosion-reported

Hervé
15th February 2013, 12:58
First the trail:


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Then the "KABOUM"

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...with broken glass

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... sounds

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Hervé
15th February 2013, 13:22
Apologies for the bad pun but...


http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/malice_malice/19048600/70500/70500_original.jpg


What a blast!

MorningSong
15th February 2013, 13:25
I think this vid is a hoax, EWO!

From the link to the blog in my first post on this thread:


Note also lots of hoaxes are turning up, like a video of a flaming crater that's actually a flaming pit in Turlmenistan that's been burning for decades (called "The Door to Hell"). Be cautious and be skeptical.

Edit: Oh...guess you figured that out..

EYES WIDE OPEN
15th February 2013, 13:26
Didn't a remote viewer state that before a solar flare, there would be 2 events. the first was Korean nukes and the 2nd was an object falling from the sky. I cant remember his name...

EYES WIDE OPEN
15th February 2013, 13:39
I want to see the crater.

christian
15th February 2013, 13:40
Vladimir Zhirinovsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zhirinovsky), Russian politician and colonel, known for his brazen contentiousness, came out with the statement that this was actually an American weapon. The story is getting picked up quickly (https://www.google.de/search?q=Vladimir+Zhirinovsky+meteors+weapon).

cheez_2806
15th February 2013, 13:44
Did you guys hear in that news report that region was a top secret NUCLEAR facility?!?!?!

Some say its The most contaminated spot on the planet...

http://www.wentz.net/radiate/cheyla/cheldis.html



Very Interesting!

The distance from the Nuclear facility and the three sites of impact all are 150km+....

MorningSong
15th February 2013, 13:55
Regarding fragments, craters, etc.:


Officials are trying to determine where the fragments have landed.

The Chelyabinsk governor said one had fallen in a lake in his region, while others have been reported in the Tyumen, Kurgan and Sverdlovsk regions as well. Police said an eight-meter wide crater had been discovered near the Chelyabinsk lake. Radiation levels around the crater were reported to be normal.

Emergency officials in west Kazakhstan said they were searching for two unidentified objects that fell in the country's Aktobe region.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130215/179481049/Meteorite-Shower-Hits-Russia-Kazakhstan.html

Calz
15th February 2013, 14:14
Vladimir Zhirinovsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zhirinovsky), Russian politician and colonel, known for his brazen contentiousness, came out with the statement that this was actually an American weapon. The story is getting picked up quickly (https://www.google.de/search?q=Vladimir+Zhirinovsky+meteors+weapon).

Couple things here. This *might* not be quite as crazy as it sounds. :noidea:

1) Reminder from 1974:

Werner Von Braun’s Predictions

The pioneer rocket scientist laying on his death bed confided in Dr. Carol Rosin his fears about the weaponization of space. He identified the scare tactics that would convince the public to accept that space-based weapons need to be built.

He made this prediction in the early 70's what these artificial threats would consist of:

1. Russians / Communists
2. Terrorists
3. Third-world Country "Crazies" / Axis of Evil / Nations of Concern
4. Asteroids
5. Aliens (extraterrestrials)


2) Fairly certain Joseph Farrell brought out the possible usage of steering asteroids into planets as weapons. Must have been in one of his books about past ET technology. I did find this recent post from him.

______________________________


A SECRET SPACE WAR?
February 3, 2013 By Joseph P. Farrell

Well, things seem to come in waves… I woke up this morning (Saturday Feb 2) fully intent upon finishing this week’s coming blogs, and discovered that my computer was totally fried. So please bear with me until I can get this sorted out.

In any case, I ran across this article and several of you also emailed it to me, and given that Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations just came out, I have to comment on it.

Secret Space War: America’s Former Nazi Scientists Dream of Ruling the World

The first thing to note here is precisely that this is a Russian analysis. With that in mind, the first thing to observe is that the Russians appear to have picked up on, and are elaborating on the meme of a secret space program that is so much a component of alternative research speculation, including my own. Indeed, as the article makes clear, viewed from the standpoint of history, the American operation paperclip was a secret space program project, albeit one designed to bring the OPEN Nazi program to this country: the missile scientists and engineers, the aircraft, and Germany’s best aerodynamicists and aircraft engineers.

But the paragraphs that grabbed my attention were these:


Gagnon: Well, indeed the United States likes to believe that it owns space, and particularly the Space Command, who on their headquarters building in Colorado Springs, just above the doorway they have their logo that reads “Master of Space”. So, I think that it is quite evident that the Space Command does indeed view space as US territory that must be controlled because they clearly understand that all warfare on the earth today is coordinated by space technology and that whoever essentially controls space will control the planet below, in this case on behalf I believe of corporate globalization. And so the Space Command in our thinking has become the military arm of corporate globalization.

And so today the US is developing a whole host of technologies to allow it to fight war from space, through space and in space, controlling not only the Earth but also the pathway on and off the planet Earth, the pathway to other planetary bodies as resources are discovered on other planets: magnesium, cobalt, uranium, gold, water etc.

In a congressional study done back in the 1980s, the Congress gave the Pentagon the mandate to develop the technologies to control the pathway on and off the planet Earth. So, the Space Command sees its role in a very-very robust kind of way.

In Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations I suggested that one of the hidden messages in the Kennedy Bearer Bonds saga was the suggestion that space, or rather, what might be found in it, was collateralized on future exploration and commercial development, to fund the covert development of a vast space capability and new technologies of war. Now, the Russians have picked up on this idea and are indeed suggesting strongly in these paragraphs that they know of this capability, and are even suggesting or hinting that part of this capability includes the militarization of the Moon.

As we have pointed out here previously, this is the Middle Ages replayed: a vast international oligarchy, with secretive ways and methods, forms a nucleus of an international financial fraternity, and develops its own fleet, and uses much of that fleet in secret to explore the New World long before its official discovery.

Now this pattern appears to be definitely repeated: hidden finance and vast funds represented in it, a space connection, allegations of secret space fleets and technologies and capabilities (thank you Gary McKinnon), and now talk, more and more openly, of mining asteroids and the commercial exploitation of space. Indeed, the Russians are hinting – again subtly and quietly – that maybe some sort of trade has already begun, and some sort of clashes on the new high seas of space.

But there is a final and very sobering point to the article: if congress mandated the US Military to control the way on and off this planet, then this means that the US fully intendeds to monopolize whatever commerce as might developm and to monopolize the high ground for its military as well. This is, of course, unipolarity boldly going where no one has gone before…

… So we may fully expect responses, and part of the response will be increasing exposure by foreign powers of the details of that program… This article may be just the opening shot in an increasing effort by the world’s other space powers – Russia, China, France, Germany, India – to expose what has been going on. It will – if my speculation is correct – be only a suggestive trickle at first, with the usual misdirections or hyperbole from the usual sources. But that trickle will gradually increase.

See you on the flip side.



Read more: A SECRET SPACE WAR?
- Giza Death Star Community

http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/02/a-secret-space-war/

Wind
15th February 2013, 14:20
Skyfall?

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That looked amazing, but I feel sorry for all of those people who got hurt by this. My prayers & thoughts go to them.

Lifebringer
15th February 2013, 14:36
You don't think they tried to shoot it down, do you? Practice on missle defense after entering the atmosphere over Russian Air Space. They've been looking for the way to have the "least amount of human/civilian casualties" in the event of an extinction, perhaps firing on them as they enter is their only option at this time?

IDK, but it won't be the 1st time the KeystoneCops did something like that.

christian
15th February 2013, 15:04
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Paul Joseph Watson's report on it. So there are military sources that say the condensation trail suggests that it has been shot down.

RMorgan
15th February 2013, 15:09
Paul Joseph Watson's report on it. So there are military sources that say the condensation trail suggests that it has been shot down.

I don´t buy it, Chris.

Those trails have nothing to do with it being shot down; The meteor was literally burning itself down after passing our atmosphere, so part of the trail is smoke and other part is simply condensed water particles caused by friction and temperature shock.

Raf

SilentFeathers
15th February 2013, 15:14
Paul Joseph Watson's report on it. So there are military sources that say the condensation trail suggests that it has been shot down.

I don´t buy it, Chris.

Those trails have nothing to do with it being shot down; The meteor was literally burning itself down after passing our atmosphere, so part of the trail is smoke and other part is simply condensed water particles caused by friction and temperature shock.

Raf

I don't think it was shot down???? It would of looked quite different IMO. It would of been several chunks and had a raining effect it seems, especially being blown up about 20 miles up....

I doubt if it was a "secret weapon" either, sheesh! it was a freaking meteor IMO!!!!

Next thing we'll hear is that it was a UFO that Russian intelligence shot down!

Aviator
15th February 2013, 15:22
More than 1000 People injured. I don't remember this happening before. Very strange envent...

Referee
15th February 2013, 15:53
US Space Command would have the capability to shoot anything major before it hits and the US and Russia are close.

SilentFeathers
15th February 2013, 15:57
From Spaceweather.com today....


RUSSIAN METEOR INJURES HUNDREDS: Ths morning, a meteor exploded in the daytime skies above Russia. According to CNN, hundreds of people were injured, mainly from the glass fragments of windows shattered by shock waves from the explosion. It is natural to wonder if this event has any connection to today's record-setting flyby of asteroid 2012 DA14. NASA has issued the following statement:

"The trajectory of the Russian meteorite was significantly different than the trajectory of the asteroid 2012 DA14, making it a completely unrelated object. Information is still being collected about the Russian meteorite and analysis is preliminary at this point. In videos of the meteor, it is seen to pass from left to right in front of the rising sun, which means it was traveling from north to south. Asteroid DA14's trajectory is in the opposite direction, from south to north." Stay tuned for updates!

ASTEROID FLYBY: At 2:25 p.m. EST (19:25 UTC) on Friday, Feb. 15th, asteroid 2012 DA14 will fly past Earth only 17,200 miles above our planet's surface. This will put it well inside the orbit of geosynchronous satellites, closer than any asteroid of the same size has come since regular sky surveys began in the 1990s. Researchers speculate that Earth's gravity might even cause seismic activity on the 50m-wide space rock.

During the hours around closest approach, the asteroid will brighten until it resembles a star of 8th magnitude. Theoretically, that’s an easy target for backyard telescopes. The problem is speed. The asteroid will be racing across the sky, moving almost a full degree (or twice the width of a full Moon) every minute. That’s going to be hard to track. Only the most experienced amateur astronomers are likely to succeed. For the rest of us, NASA will broadcast the asteroid's flyby on NASA TV.

Asteroid 2012 DA14 is about the same size as previous asteroids responsible for the Meteor Crater in Arizona and the Tunguska Event in Siberia. Unlike those objects, however, 2012 DA14 will not hit Earth. Even if seismic activity breaks the asteroid apart, there is no danger; the fragments would continue along the same non-intersecting path as the original asteroid.
http://spaceweather.com/

peterpam
15th February 2013, 15:58
In response to the first video-it looks like a chemtrail in the sky..Does anyone else have a comment on that?

Airwooz
15th February 2013, 16:20
Maybe they had changed the course of 2012 DA14 by using space-based interceptor missile earlier, now we are about to witness the debris of the impact.

Wind
15th February 2013, 16:31
Or maybe the big one has brought some smaller ones with it?

Reports coming from Cuba, another meteorite there:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2140585/pg1

Not sure if the sources can be trusted, a lot of confusion. Perhaps a hoax.

Maybe more fragments coming?

Aurvandil
15th February 2013, 16:51
Didn't a remote viewer state that before a solar flare, there would be 2 events. the first was Korean nukes and the 2nd was an object falling from the sky. I cant remember his name...

Yes, it was remote viewer Ed Dames who said it, I thought the same as you. But he said that a space shuttle or something similar would be forced down because of a meteorite shower. Wonder how ISS is doing or if some of the satellites were harmed?

baddbob
15th February 2013, 17:00
Hard to keep track of all the videos so I hope this is a new one
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Seems like a good place to add this link
Asteroid Flyby Webcasts: Watch 2012 DA14 Live Here Friday
http://www.space.com/19781-asteroid-2012-da14-flyby-webcasts.html

baddbob
15th February 2013, 17:33
Oh before i go night night

look at the damage

i would suggest

think Dr Judy Wood

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Its also odd keeping with Dr. Judy and the energy weapon side is the new movie Gi Joe movie
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Tesseract
15th February 2013, 17:51
I didn't check your source for the full report (busy right now) but I would make this point: some space-rocks are extremely rich in Platinum group metals; one of these, Osmium (oxide), is extremely toxic and volatile - therefore protective suits are a wise move even if their is no radiation. I believe Ru and some other Pt metals also have toxicity issues. Hopefully no locals were poisoned.

Edit: There is actually a layer of Iridium (or Iridium rich dirt) that is present across the whole planet that is believed to be the result of an ancient impact.


I don't know what to make of this from RT because it's already been reported that there was no evidence of radiation:


12:01 GMT: The site where the meteorite is believed to have fallen has been closed off by military units wearing special protective suits.
Source (http://rt.com/news/russia-meteor-meteorite-asteroid-chelyabinsk-291/).

Wind
15th February 2013, 17:54
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2140769/pg1

Possibly the Cuban news aren't talking about it, I don't know how strict the censorship is there.

SilentFeathers
15th February 2013, 18:17
Sounds like it may of really happened....


BREAKING-Meteor Crash, This Time In CUBA

Cuba, 15.02.2013 Residents of a locality ‘in the central region of Cuba said they had seen an object that fell from the sky and exploded with a great noise, which shook the houses of the place: it is learned from testimonies collected by local television. In service published this morning by Rodas, town in the province of Cienfuegos, witnesses described a very bright light that has come to have large size, comparable to that of a bus, before exploding in the sky.

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=174956

2nd source

Huge explosion in the sky in Cuba Meanwhile, also from Cuba has been reported in an explosion sky. In the central region of the island has seen an object that fell from the sky and exploded with a great noise, which shook the houses in the place, reports on local television. In a report released this morning by Rodas, town in the province of Cienfuegos, witnesses described a very bright light that has come to have large size, comparable to that of a bus, before exploding in the sky. Marcos Rodriguez, a resident in region, as defined by the issuer an expert, reported that “everything seems to indicate that it was a fireball, which is a fragment of stone and metal that enters the Earth’s atmosphere at high speed.” Experts are now examining the area for possible remains Rodas minerals falling from the sky, the TV station added. translated-

http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2013/02/15/news/russia_meteoriti_sciame_urali-52681067/

HAVANA – Another meteorite, another outbreak accompanied by objects falling from the sky was reported by residents of a town in the central region of Cuba

http://www.youreporternews.it/2013/altra-meteorite-a-cuba-testimoni-esplosione-e-grande-rumore/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter


Explosion in the sky in Cuba: a new meteorite falls to Earth?

Not only Russia : in Cuba eyewitnesses living in a localitaà in the central region of the island have reported seeing an object that fell from the sky and exploded causing a roar that shook the houses in the place.
was revealed by the Cuban television, that in these hours is spreading the testimonies of citizens.

See also:
Meteor shower in Russia: many of the wounded. Watch the video
An asteroid will skim Earth today February 15, 2013
The witnesses , inhabitants of the province of Cienfuegos, the cameras have reported seeing a bright light, combined with a large flying object which then explode in the sky.

Cuban specialists are examining the area for possible remains Rodas minerals falling from the sky, the TV station added.

Potrebbe interessarti:

http://www.today.it/mondo/cuba-meteorite.html

http://www.today.it/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Todayit/335145169857930

Google translated
They claim that a supposed meteorite fell also in Cuba on Wednesday
Witnesses in a town in central Cuba this week reported the fall of a celestial phenomenon that ended with a huge explosion in the sky that shook local houses. The phenomenon occurred in addition to Friday in Russia.
According to the report of the morning news program on Cuban television from Rhodes, Cienfuegos, Midwest, there was a very bright light that reached the naked eye, the size of a bus in the sky and exploded.

One witness, a fisherman, told the television news that “about 8 pm (local time) on Wednesday saw a light in the sky moved into a flame” big, bigger than the sun “and the three or four minutes, “we heard the explosion.”

http://www.diarioinedito.com/Nota/13602


Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/breaking-meteor-crash-this-time-in-cuba/#OCau6ATISAuCH0xQ.99

MorningSong
15th February 2013, 18:48
This infor was just released from NASA:


Preliminary information indicates that the fireball in Chelyabinsk, Russia, is not related to asteroid 2012 DA14, which is flying by Earth today.

The Russian fireball is the largest reported fireball since the 1908 Tunguska event. The fireball entered the atmosphere at 18 km per second. The impact time was 3:20:26 UTC, and the energy released by the impact was in the hundreds of kilotons. Based on the duration of the event, it was a very shallow entry. It was larger than the fireball over Indonesia on Oct. 8, 2009. Measurements are still coming in, and a more precise measure of the energy may be available later. The size of the object before hitting the atmosphere was about 15 meters, the pre-impacting asteroid was about 15 meters in diameter and had a mass of about 7,000 tons. It was about 1/4 the size of asteroid 2012 DA14. The fireball trail was visible for about 30 seconds, so it was a grazing impact through the atmosphere. The fireball was brighter than the sun.

It is important to note that this estimate is preliminary, and some of the estimates may be revised as more data is obtained.

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/display.cfm?News_ID=42564

Wind
15th February 2013, 21:15
Am I the only one who doesn't believe the "not related"-thing? I think that it is just a typical NASA bs-statement. They knew for sure that the small one was going to hit, but no way on Earth would they have told about it in advance and they never will.

astrid
15th February 2013, 21:19
Curiouser and curiouser

This came to mind this morning

"Werner Von Braun’s Predictions

The pioneer rocket scientist laying on his death bed confided in Dr. Carol Rosin
his fears about the weaponization of space. He identified the scare tactics
that would convince the public to accept that space-based weapons need to
be built. He made this prediction in the early 70's what these artificial threats
would consist of:

1. Russians / Communists
2. Terrorists
3. Third-world Country "Crazies" / Axis of Evil / Nations of Concern
4. Asteroids
5. Aliens (extraterrestrials)"

KiwiElf
15th February 2013, 21:43
It's possible that an asteroid can be accompanied by smaller 'rocks' in a general (large) area. As the Earth moves through that band of debris, a meteorite shower can result. However, indications so far are that DA14 (which passed its closest point to Earth over Indonesia a few hours ago) was on a completely different trajectory than the Russian one.

A few years ago, we did have a similar undetected object whiz over NZ - Australia leaving a long smoky trail visible for days - pretty spectacular but not as close as this one.

But Starseed raises an interesting point: if NASA knew in advance of a 'relatively small impact' - like this one, would they tell us?

Wind
15th February 2013, 21:49
Dutchsinse (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dutchsinse/296574443728320) covers this stuff pretty well.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eldiario.com.ec%2Fnoticias-manabi-ecuador%2F254341-reportan-la-explosion-de-un-segundo-meteorito-en-el-cielo-de-cuba%2F&prev=%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcubanos%2Bmeteoritos%26num%3D 50%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Dr8T%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3Dd%26rls%3Dorg.mozill a%3Aen-US%3Aofficial%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D910%26tbs%3Dqdr %3Ah&sa=X&ei=bqceUdPvOMLkrAGmroHIDA&ved=0CEwQ7gEwAg

ghostrider
15th February 2013, 22:55
that was my wingman, he sacrficed himself so I could make my attack run and destroy the deathstar... just kidding , I love fridays ... humor is always the order of the day with me ... what ever that thing was, I've never heard something make that kind of sound, it was like it tore the sky in half ...

ghostrider
15th February 2013, 22:59
what surprises me is something coming in that fast and breaching Russian air space without them sending up a couple of high tech fighters to shoot it down ...Nobody messes with the Russians ... the Russian special forces are some bad mama jamas ...

Bill Ryan
15th February 2013, 23:03
More than 1000 People injured.

Here's how --->


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6nMvHd_vzY

Wind
15th February 2013, 23:10
Ok, it seems (http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=509694265749669&id=296574443728320) that the two meteorites (Russia, Cuba) might have not been related. That's actually more worrisome, because if they came from different directions then it might mean that there is possibility that there is even more coming. I hope that these were just fragments.

Remember what Courtney Brown said about solar radiation and meteorites? Three and a half months until June 1st and by then we should have witnessed many earth changes. I guess that we'll just have to wait and see, but we don't have to wait for too long...

KiwiElf
15th February 2013, 23:30
The noise is the sonic boom as it hits the atmosphere - that's why Concorde wasn't allowed to fly over populated areas at supersonic speed - it also could shatter windows ;)

annkM6z1-FE

Referee
15th February 2013, 23:56
News of another large object / Metorite exploding over Cuba..........

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/02/meteorite-like-object-strikes-cuba-as-asteroid-buzzes-earth-after-russia-meteorite-strike/

Sidney
16th February 2013, 01:20
Am I the only one who doesn't believe the "not related"-thing? I think that it is just a typical NASA bs-statement. They knew for sure that the small one was going to hit, but no way on Earth would they have told about it in advance and they never will.

I don't believe it either. AND, I don't know how they didn't know this was coming because of eyes on the skies for 2012 DA14, some had to have seen it. And if DA14 was going to be visible at all it was going to be visible in the Russian skies if anywhere at all. To much of a coincidence IMHO.

Tangri
16th February 2013, 03:05
Definitely something happened but presentations are fishy.

It happened January 31, 2012 regarding this video

In internet, tweeter age we are hearing February 13, 2013 and mass media today Feb 15 2013.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI

In RT reporting they used same video with different time log tag 2:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U_uxeScezRw

Maybe this is Russian version of Sandy hook with different motive.

Probably Russians decided to disclose something in their term and USA agreed 2 days latter.

Teti75
16th February 2013, 03:14
It's Friday
Some Mexican humor

panopticon
16th February 2013, 03:49
News of another large object / Meteorite exploding over Cuba..........

According to the Havana Times (http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=87801) (I don't know anything about them) the Cuban meteorite hit occurred on Wednesday evening.


Cuba Town Also Rocked by Celestial Body
HAVANA TIMES — Homes in the central Cuban town of Rodas, Cienfuegos shook on Wednesday evening after an explosion overhead, reported ANSA news service.
Witnesses reported the fall of a celestial phenomenon that ended with a huge explosion with a very bright light in the sky that shook their homes, said ANSA citing the Cuban morning TV news program as its source.
Experts are scouring the area in search of any remains that fell to Earth. No reports of injuries or damage to property has come in.
Source (http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=87801).

Just found this article on Digital Journal about it with links to Spanish language sources:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/343592

KiwiElf
16th February 2013, 06:52
I hate to say it, but I think there could be more to come...

araucaria
16th February 2013, 09:58
Definitely something happened but presentations are fishy.

It happened January 31, 2012 regarding this video

In internet, tweeter age we are hearing February 13, 2013 and mass media today Feb 15 2013.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI

In RT reporting they used same video with different time log tag 2:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U_uxeScezRw

Maybe this is Russian version of Sandy hook with different motive.

Probably Russians decided to disclose something in their term and USA agreed 2 days latter.

There may be a straightforward explanation; Not everyone bothers (knows how) to set the date on their phone/camera etc.

astrid
16th February 2013, 10:37
Meteorite streaks across San Francisco bay area

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Wow, another one!!

The Truth Is In There
16th February 2013, 12:50
the solar system may enter some cosmic debris field which is why so many rocks are passing by these days. if that is so we're probably still in the outskirts of it. if there are a lot more (and bigger) space rocks ahead of us they're most likely going to trigger some bad ass solar flares as well. after all, the sun is a lot bigger than our tiny earth and will catch the brunt of it. we've just entered the time period all major predictions and prophecies speak about.

Black Panther
16th February 2013, 13:00
Playing another card ?

20408

take
16th February 2013, 14:49
Amazing. But seriously dudes and dudettes, the earth is constanly hit by meteoroids, just usually not this big. I see shooting stars all the time when looking at the night sky. So I can't really understand this hype about "there may be more coming". Of course there is, all the time. Nothing strange about it. I'm just glad I got to witness this once-in-every-100-years type of a thingy. Purty cool sayz I.

norman
16th February 2013, 15:46
Several sizzling meteors flying almost level through the upper atmosphere until they slow down enough to fall more steeply ( or just escape back out into space ), suggests to me that we ARE passing through a region of relatively immobile space debris.

If it is unexpected, it's not a part of the solar system debris we have got tracked and recorded.

We probably are in for some "rocky" stuff here on, for a while.


edit:

If so, there should be similar events/impacts on all the planets and the sun, and observable.

Calz
16th February 2013, 18:44
TIDBIT FLASH: METEOR HITS RUSSIAN CITY OF CHELYABINSK

February 15, 2013 By Joseph P. Farrell

Here’s some grist for the speculation mill: a meteor has exploded near the Russian city of Chelyabinsk near the Ural mountains, injuring nearly 1000 with the shock waves. Now, I’m inclined to think a falling rock from the sky is just a falling rock from the sky, unless, of course, you want to entertain thoughts about grabbing a nearby floating rock and throwing it at someone… remember those colliding satellites a few years back?

http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/02/tidbit-flash-meteor-hits-russian-city-of-chelyabinsk/

778 neighbour of some guy
16th February 2013, 20:09
TIDBIT FLASH: METEOR HITS RUSSIAN CITY OF CHELYABINSK

February 15, 2013 By Joseph P. Farrell

Here’s some grist for the speculation mill: a meteor has exploded near the Russian city of Chelyabinsk near the Ural mountains, injuring nearly 1000 with the shock waves. Now, I’m inclined to think a falling rock from the sky is just a falling rock from the sky, unless, of course, you want to entertain thoughts about grabbing a nearby floating rock and throwing it at someone… remember those colliding satellites a few years back?

http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/02/tidbit-flash-meteor-hits-russian-city-of-chelyabinsk/

Finding the perp must be a piece of cake, look for a guy with really big hands.

Tangri
16th February 2013, 22:12
Definitely something happened but presentations are fishy.

It happened January 31, 2012 regarding this video

In internet, tweeter age we are hearing February 13, 2013 and mass media today Feb 15 2013.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI

In RT reporting they used same video with different time log tag 2:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U_uxeScezRw

Maybe this is Russian version of Sandy hook with different motive.

Probably Russians decided to disclose something in their term and USA agreed 2 days latter.

There may be a straightforward explanation; Not everyone bothers (knows how) to set the date on their phone/camera etc.

If you check RT news video you would see the same footage with original different tag.

I am staying with my "Probably Russians decided to disclose something in their term and USA agreed 2 days latter. reserve.

KiwiElf
16th February 2013, 23:01
Divers scour Russian lake after meteor hurts 1,200
AFP Updated February 17, 2013, 4:13 am

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/16159784/divers-scour-russian-lake-after-meteor-hurts-1-200/

MOSCOW (AFP) - Divers scoured the bottom of a Russian lake on Saturday for fragments of a meteorite that plunged to Earth in a blinding fireball whose shockwave injured 1,200 people and damaged thousands of homes.

The 10-tonnes meteor streaked across the Urals region on Friday just as the world braced for a close encounter with a large asteroid that left some Russian officials calling for the creation of a global system of space object defence.

The unpredicted meteor strike ground traffic to a halt in the industrial city of Chelyabinsk as residents poured out on the streets to watch the light show before hovering for safety when a sonic boom rang out directly overhead.

Shattered glass caused most of the injuries. Doctors said some sustained more serious wounds from doors that were blasted off hinges and ceiling collapses. About 50 people were recovering in hospitals early Saturday.

Officials counted 2,962 buildings ranging from hospitals and schools to regular households suffering from shattered glass and cracked walls.

"We have a special team working... that is now assessing the seismic stability of buildings," Emergencies Minister Vladimir Puchkov told residents as he inspected the damage in the central Russian city.

"We will be especially careful about switching the gas back on," he said in televised remarks.

A piece of the meteor -- called a meteorite once it hits the ground -- was believed to have plunged into the Chelyabinsk region's frozen Lake Chebarkul.

But the six divers who searched its waters for three hours on Saturday were able to finding nothing but mud and silt.

"They immediately discovered that the water's visibility was zero and that the bottom was covered with 1.5 metres (five feet) of sticky mud," a recovery team member told Russian media.

The emergencies minister stressed that no meteorite fragments had been discovered anywhere in the region so far despite some 20,000 rescuers and recovery workers being dispatched to the region on Friday.

The meteor explosion appears to be one of the most stunning cosmic events above Russia since the 1908 Tunguska Event in which a massive blast most scientists blame on an asteroid or a comet ripped through Siberia.

Scientists at the US space agency NASA estimated that the amount of energy released in the atmosphere was about 30 times greater than the force of the nuclear bomb dropped on the Japanese city of Hiroshima during World War II.

"We would expect an event of this magnitude to occur once every 100 years on average," said Paul Chodas of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office.

"When you have a fireball of this size we would expect a large number of meteorites to reach the surface and in this case there were probably some large ones," he said in a statement published on the NASA website.

The drama in Russia developed just hours before an asteroid -- a space object similar to a tiny planet orbiting the sun -- whizzed safely past Earth at the unprecedented distance of 17,200 miles (27,000 kilometers).

That put it closer to the ground then some distant satellites and sent off alarm bells ringing in some Russian circles about this being the time for joint global action on the space safety front.

"Instead of fighting on Earth, people should be creating a joint system of asteroid defence," the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee chief Alexei Pushkov wrote on his Twitter account late Friday.

"Instead of creating a (military) European space defence system, the United States should join us and China in creating the AADS -- the Anti-Asteroid Defence System," the close ally of President Vladimir Putin wrote.

The US space agency said the 2012 DA 14 asteroid's passing was "the closest-ever predicted approach to Earth for an object this large."

NASA estimates that a smallish asteroid such as the 2012 DA 14 flies close to Earth every 40 years on average while only hitting the planet once every 1,200 years.

Calz
16th February 2013, 23:14
Finding the perp must be a piece of cake, look for a guy with really big hands.

Can you pick him out of a lineup???


http://i43.tinypic.com/k4vyhe.jpg

DarMar
17th February 2013, 00:00
http://i.imgur.com/9KFWM5W.gif

panopticon
17th February 2013, 02:39
Now it appears that the "crater" in the lake wasn't actually a crater.


18:40 GMT: The search for the meteorite parts at Chebarkul Lake and at other two locations has officially been stopped. The huge ice hole found at the lake on Friday “has formed because of a different reason,” the Vice-Governor of Chelyabinsk region Igor Murog told Interfax-Ural.
...
07:58 GMT: No meteorite fragments were found at the bottom of Chebarkul Lake, says the Emergencies Ministry. A lack of underwater visibility, as well as a thick – up to 1.5 meters – layer of ooze were cited as the main reasons for failure. Six divers spent three hours searching for solid objects in the mud but finally gave up. Water samples taken from the lake have also shown nothing unusual.
Source (http://rt.com/news/russia-meteor-meteorite-asteroid-chelyabinsk-291/).
Hmmmm... Distraction anyone? The game the entire family can play!
There were reports of military personnel wearing protective suits near suspected fall sites, yet in the photo of the "crater" they weren't.

So...
Was the meteor a meteor?
Why the conflicting reporting as to whether or not it was shot at by the Russian military?
Maybe if the military say they did then could that be opening them up to compensation claims, create a negative image in the minds of the Russian public or something else along those line?
-- Pan

KiwiElf
17th February 2013, 02:53
20,000 rescuers seems a bit over the top as well ? ;)

panopticon
17th February 2013, 03:03
20,000 rescuers seems a bit over the top as well ? ;)

I thought that as well, though to be fair what was said was they had 20,000 emergency personnel on stand-by.

Hervé
17th February 2013, 03:11
Russian Meteor Blast Bigger Than Thought, NASA Says


By Tariq Malik | SPACE.com – 3 hrs ago


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The meteor that exploded over Russia Friday was slightly larger than previously thought and more powerful, too, NASA scientists say.

The Russian meteor explosion (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AphB1Jj7LgQkyE.mEOk8uuGsFWFH;_ylu=X3oDMTFqMDg xZXM0BG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTRhZ2RydGthBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDYjJjNjZkMTItZDFkMy0zY2ExLTk4NTUtMjlhODI4OW M4YTU0BHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlfHNwYWNlLWFzdHJvbm9teQRw dANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdANjb250cm9sX2lwdGNfc2hvcnRfcm VsYXRlZA--;_ylv=0/SIG=12to10jbk/EXP=1362279395/**http%3A//www.space.com/19823-russia-meteor-explosion-complete-coverage.html) over the city of Chelyabinsk, on Friday (Feb. 15), injured more than 1,000 people and blew out windows across the region in a massive blast captured on cameras by frightened witnesses. Friday afternoon, NASA scientists estimated the meteor was space rock about 50 feet (15 meters) and sparked a blast equivalent of a 300-kiloton explosion. The energy estimate was later increased to 470 kilotons.

But late Friday, NASA revised its estimates on the size and power of the devastating meteor explosion. The meteor's size is now thought to be slightly larger — about 55 feet (17 m) wide — with the power of the blast estimate of about 500 kilotons, 30 kilotons higher than before, NASA officials said in a statement. [See video of the intense meteor explosion (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Ag1Ls3egy1UWAoxVxO_VrRGsFWFH;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaWd 2Ymg3BG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTRhZ2RydGthBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDYjJjNjZkMTItZDFkMy0zY2ExLTk4NTUtMjlhODI4OW M4YTU0BHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlfHNwYWNlLWFzdHJvbm9teQRw dANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdANjb250cm9sX2lwdGNfc2hvcnRfcm VsYXRlZA--;_ylv=0/SIG=130m9heua/EXP=1362279395/**http%3A//www.space.com/19809-meteor-hits-central-russia-900%2B-hurt-video.html)]

The meteor was also substantially more massive than thought as well. Initial estimated pegged the space rock's mass at about 7,000 tons. Scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., now say the meteor weighed about 10,000 tons and was travelling 40,000 mph (64,373 km/h) when it exploded.

"These new estimates were generated using new data that had been collected by five additional infrasound stations located around the world - the first recording of the event being in Alaska, over 6,500 kilometers away from Chelyabinsk," JPL officials explained in the statement. The infrasound stations detect low-frequency sound waves that accompany exploding meteors (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ArsXv415tldLrLtExNFOR3OsFWFH;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaTN jbzlmBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTRhZ2RydGthBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDYjJjNjZkMTItZDFkMy0zY2ExLTk4NTUtMjlhODI4OW M4YTU0BHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlfHNwYWNlLWFzdHJvbm9teQRw dANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdANjb250cm9sX2lwdGNfc2hvcnRfcm VsYXRlZA--;_ylv=0/SIG=139gus7t2/EXP=1362279395/**http%3A//www.space.com/15353-meteor-showers-facts-shooting-stars-skywatching-sdcmp.html), known as bolides.

The meteor entered Earth's atmosphere and blew apart over Chelyabinsk at 10:20 p.m. EST on Feb. 14 (03:20:26 GMT on Feb. 15). The meteor briefly outshined the sun during the event, which occurred just hours before a larger space rock — the 150-foot-wide (45 meters) asteroid 2012 DA14 — zoomed by Earth in an extremely close flyby.

Asteroid 2012 DA14 (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AoV32xEU3wcwf8u7D2.hDFWsFWFH;_ylu=X3oDMTFqc2F obm1zBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzQEc2VjA01lZGlhQ XJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTRhZ2RydGthBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDYjJjNjZkMTItZDFkMy0zY2ExLTk4NTUtMjlhODI4OW M4YTU0BHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlfHNwYWNlLWFzdHJvbm9teQRw dANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdANjb250cm9sX2lwdGNfc2hvcnRfcm VsYXRlZA--;_ylv=0/SIG=134jspt50/EXP=1362279395/**http%3A//www.space.com/19646-asteroid-2012-da14-earth-flyby-complete-coverage.html) approached within 17,200 miles (27,000 kilometers) of Earth Friday, but never posed an impact threat to the planet. The asteroid flyby and Russian meteor explosion had significantly different trajectories, showing that they were completely unrelated events, NASA officials said.

Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/russian-meteor-blast-bigger-thought-nasa-says-234920189.html

panopticon
17th February 2013, 03:24
Here's an image, from 'Weather sattelite Meteosat 10', of the meteor entering the atmosphere:

http://rt.com/files/news/scientists-explain-chelyabinsk-bolide-337/weather-sattelite-meteosat-10-983.jpg

This image is part of a 16th February news article from RT on the meteor that also reflects the yahoo news story:
Russian meteorite blast explained: Fireball explosion, not meteor shower (http://rt.com/news/scientists-explain-chelyabinsk-bolide-337/)

-- Pan

Earthship
17th February 2013, 03:46
"A meteor and asteroid: 1 in 100 million odds", says a CNN's news article (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/16/opinion/urry-meteor-asteroid/index.html?hpt=hp_t4).
In my personal opinion, three possible explanations:

1. Yes, it was a coincidence, "1 in 100 million odds", as CNN said.

2. Although, as NASA and some astronomers have said, the meteor and the asteroid came from different directions, they could be related to the same astronomical mechanics, but, to date, maybe neither NASA nor other astronomers are aware of the relation (but, as they study further in the following days, a relation may be found).

3. Some "unknown mechanism", forced the meteor to happen the same day, without causing fatalities. The reason? (To give us a hint -thorough an almost impossible coincidence- about some real threat coming?) The mechanism? (ET's, black op done by humans?)

Referee
17th February 2013, 03:54
Looks like something went through the metorite..Perhaps shoot at by something... Good video evidence IMO...

3ZzG881Vii8

panopticon
17th February 2013, 04:02
Not much information available on the Cuban fireball from Wednesday.

The only video that seems half plausible is this one:
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There are a number of other videos on Youtube that say they're depicting the Cuban fireball from Wednesday, however it seems they are from Guadalajara City in Mexico on 22/09/2006 (see here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c57KbPEI0i8)).

Here's a news report (in Spanish I think) that's about the Cuban fireball:

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I think this article is referring to the above video (can anyone confirm?):
Cuba, too, reports powerful meteorite explosion (http://news.yahoo.com/cuba-too-reports-powerful-meteorite-explosion-192049893.html)
-- Pan

Paul
17th February 2013, 04:08
"A meteor and asteroid: 1 in 100 million odds"
I'm guessing that there are a bazillion things that could happen, each of which has millions to one odds against it happening ... and that a few of those ever so unlikely events happen every day :).

I'm merging this thread in with the main thread on this meteor and related events.

161803398
17th February 2013, 04:15
Its most likely the long anticipated arrival of the anti-Christ.

Referee
17th February 2013, 04:16
Here is a good video of the Cuban Fireball/ Meteor

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panopticon
17th February 2013, 04:26
Here is a good video of the Cuban Fireball/ Meteor

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That's the video I was referring to above that's from Guadalajara City in Mexico on 22/09/2006 .
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-- Pan

Referee
17th February 2013, 04:39
My bad I will have to tell the source thanks and nice catch!!

panopticon
17th February 2013, 04:56
The Google translation, from Russian into English, of Interfax (http://www.interfax-russia.ru/Ural/main.asp?id=381662) reported the following (from a report dated the 15th February):


Two fragments of a meteorite found in Chebarkul - one in Zlatoust, Chelyabinsk region near

Three large fragments of the fall of a meteorite found in the Chelyabinsk region, "Interfax" on Friday, the press center of the Russian Interior Ministry.

"At this point in the operative staff has been informed about the discovery of three seats falling wreckage of a celestial body," - said the press center.

He said that the two fragments were found in the area Chebarkulsky Chelyabinsk region, another - in Zlatoust.
Source (http://www.interfax-russia.ru/Ural/main.asp?id=381662).
Gotta love that google translation software 'discovery of three seats falling wreckage' :pound:

panopticon
17th February 2013, 05:33
Here's some video that is reported to be from different sites in Japan showing a fireball on the 14th February.
Don't know if it's authentic but seems harmless enough:

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KiwiElf
17th February 2013, 07:58
Another version of the one over Japan on 14 FEB 2013

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astrid
17th February 2013, 08:48
Removed.. another youtube hoax

sorry folks,
and thanks Carmody for letting me know

778 neighbour of some guy
17th February 2013, 14:15
Looks like something went through the metorite..Perhaps shoot at by something... Good video evidence IMO...

3ZzG881Vii8

BUMP BUMP BUMP this is strange guys and girls, watch that a few times.

778 neighbour of some guy
17th February 2013, 14:53
Boom, big boom, badabigboom, holy cow, lots of badabigbooms.

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Bill Ryan
18th February 2013, 02:28
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A good article for math nerds: :)

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/16/opinion/urry-meteor-asteroid/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

(the interesting bit extracted --> )




Both events happening within one day makes us think they could be connected. That instinct comes from doing the math -- if it is improbable, then we think it cannot be a coincidence. But the facts don't support this conclusion. First of all, in the time between the two events, the Earth moved roughly 300,000 miles, meaning the asteroid and the meteor were in completely different places. Moreover, they traveled in completely different directions, so they couldn't have been associated.

So there is no way the meteor and the asteroid are connected. It has to be a coincidence that the two events happened on the same day. Yet this would seem to be at odds with our instinct that two very rare things would not happen at the same time.

How can we reconcile these two opposite thoughts: the impossibility of an association based on the physics of trajectories, and the improbability of coincidence (lack of association) that the math suggests?

The answer is that we need to rethink the probability calculation. If asteroids as big as DA14 pass close to Earth once every decade or two, and meteors as large as the Chelyabinsk one impact once every 100 years (a similar meteor having caused the Tunguska event in 1908), the chance of both events happening on any one day are indeed very small: 1 in 3,650 days times 1 in 36,500 days, or about 1 in 100 million -- not odds you would bet against.

But think again: The Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years -- which is 1.6 trillion days. So the chance that these two events would happen on a day sometime in the earth's history is actually larger than we first thought -- it ought to have happened about 12,000 times already.

Of course, during most of that 4.5 billion year history, the earth was not populated by intelligent life -- human beings who might have noticed the two events happening on the same day.

So what is the probability that the meteor hits and the asteroid passes Earth on the same day when someone could record it on video? That's probably been possible for about 50 years, or only about five years if we have to do it on a smartphone or dashboard camera. That's 1,825 days, which means the chance of someone filming the event is only about one in 70,000 -- and that's if people blanketed the Earth. Given how sparsely the Earth is populated, we should correct this number downward by a (large!) geographical factor. It's also unlikely that this event would happen within 3,000 miles of the Tunguska impact.

What to think? Our rough calculation says a large meteor impact on the same day as closest passage of the DA14 asteroid is really improbable. But it did happen. Something in our assumptions could be wrong. For example, the frequency of meteor impacts could be much larger and our estimates too low because we don't notice most of them.

Then again, maybe sometimes, long odds just pay off.

Hervé
18th February 2013, 03:40
Looks like something went through the metorite..Perhaps shoot at by something... Good video evidence IMO...

3ZzG881Vii8

Referee, thank you for digging that video up because, if original and unaltered, it means that the object that zapped across the meteor unscathed was travelling at about twice as fast as the meteor itself. That is, at about 80,000 mph!



NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., now say the meteor weighed about 10,000 tons and was travelling 40,000 mph (64,373 km/h) when it exploded.


UFO anyone?

KiwiElf
18th February 2013, 03:53
Might explain why so many "rescuers" - 20,000 plus - have been sent out? And they didn't detect it coming??
Remember Roswell... no "left overs" ;)

EDIT: I should add, that any meteorite fragment found would also be quite valuable in terms of $$

Hervé
18th February 2013, 04:15
For another perspective on the subject, from http://www.space.com/6829-military-hush-incoming-space-rocks-classified.html:

Military Hush-Up: Incoming Space Rocks Now Classified

by Leonard David, SPACE.com's Space Insider Columnist
Date: 10 June 2009 Time: 05:35 PM ET

For 15 years, scientists have benefited from data gleaned by U.S. classified satellites of natural fireball events in Earth's atmosphere – but no longer.

A recent U.S. military policy decision now explicitly states that observations by hush-hush government spacecraft of incoming bolides and fireballs are classified secret and are not to be released, SPACE.com has learned.

The satellites' main objectives include detecting nuclear bomb tests, and their characterizations of asteroids and lesser meteoroids as they crash through the atmosphere has been a byproduct data bonanza for scientists.

The upshot: Space rocks that explode in the atmosphere (http://www.space.com/4760-small-asteroids-pose-big-threat.html) are now classified.

"It's baffling to us why this would suddenly change," said one scientist familiar with the work. "It's unfortunate because there was this great synergy…a very good cooperative arrangement. Systems were put into dual-use mode where a lot of science was getting done that couldn't be done any other way. It's a regrettable change in policy."

Scientists say not only will research into the threat from space be hampered, but public understanding of sometimes dramatic sky explosions will be diminished, perhaps leading to hype and fear of the unknown.

Incoming!
Most "shooting stars" are caused by natural space debris no larger than peas. But routinely, rocks as big as basketballs and even small cars crash into the atmosphere. Most vaporize or explode on the way in, but some reach the surface or explode above the surface. Understandably, scientists want to know about these events so they can better predict the risk here on Earth.

Yet because the world is two-thirds ocean, most incoming objects aren't visible to observers on the ground. Many other incoming space rocks go unnoticed because daylight drowns them out.

Over the last decade or so, hundreds of these events have been spotted by the classified satellites. Priceless observational information derived from the spacecraft were made quickly available, giving researchers such insights as time, a location, height above the surface, as well as light-curves to help pin down the amount of energy churned out from the fireballs.

And in the shaky world we now live, it's nice to know that a sky-high detonation is natural versus a nuclear weapon blast.

Where the space-based surveillance truly shines is over remote stretches of ocean – far away from the prospect of ground-based data collection.

But all that ended within the last few months, leaving scientists blind-sided and miffed by the shift in policy. The hope is that the policy decision will be revisited and overturned.

Critical importance
"The fireball data from military or surveillance assets have been of critical importance for assessing the impact hazard," said David Morrison, a Near Earth Object (NEO) scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center. He noted that his views are his own, not as a NASA spokesperson.

The size of the average largest atmospheric impact from small asteroids is a key piece of experimental data to anchor the low-energy end of the power-law distribution of impactors, from asteroids greater than 6 miles (10 kilometers) in diameter down to the meter scale, Morrison told SPACE.com.

"These fireball data together with astronomical observations of larger near-Earth asteroids define the nature of the impact hazard and allow rational planning to deal with this issue," Morrison said.

Morrison said that fireball data are today playing additional important roles.
As example, the fireball data together with infrasound allowed scientists to verify the approximate size and energy of the unique Carancas impact in the Altiplano -- on the Peru-Bolivia border -- on Sept. 15, 2007.

Fireball information also played an important part in the story of the small asteroid 2008 TC3, Morrison said. That was the first-ever case of the astronomical detection of a small asteroid before it hit last year (http://www.space.com/6491-space-rosetta-stone.html). The fireball data were key for locating the impact point and the subsequent recovery of fragments from this impact.

Link in public understanding
Astronomers are closing in on a years-long effort to find most of the potentially devastating large asteroids in our neck of the cosmic woods, those that could cause widespread regional or global devastation. Now they plan to look for the smaller stuff.
So it is ironic that the availability of these fireball data should be curtailed just at the time the NEO program is moving toward surveying the small impactors that are most likely to be picked up in the fireball monitoring program, Morrision said.

"These data have been available to the scientific community for the past decade," he said. "It is unfortunate this information is shut off just when it is becoming more valuable to the community interested in characterizing near Earth asteroids and protecting our planet from asteroid impacts."

The newly issued policy edict by the U.S. military of reporting fireball observations from satellites also caught the attention of Clark Chapman, a planetary scientist and asteroid impact expert at Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado.
"I think that this information is very important to make public," Chapman told SPACE.com.

"More important than the scientific value, I think, is that these rare, bright fireballs provide a link in public understanding to the asteroid impact hazard posed by still larger and less frequent asteroids," Chapman explained.

Those objects are witnessed by unsuspecting people in far-flung places, Chapman said, often generating incorrect and exaggerated reports.

"The grounding achieved by associating these reports by untrained observers with the satellite measurements is very useful for calibrating the observer reports and closing the loop with folks who think they have seen something mysterious and extraordinary," Chapman said.

Tangri
18th February 2013, 05:23
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So what is the probability that the meteor hits and the asteroid passes Earth on the same day when someone could record it on video? That's probably been possible for about 50 years, or only about five years if we have to do it on a smartphone or dashboard camera. That's 1,825 days, which means the chance of someone filming the event is only about one in 70,000 -- and that's if people blanketed the Earth. Given how sparsely the Earth is populated, we should correct this number downward by a (large!) geographical factor. It's also unlikely that this event would happen within 3,000 miles of the Tunguska impact.

What to think? Our rough calculation says a large meteor impact on the same day as closest passage of the DA14 asteroid is really improbable. But it did happen. Something in our assumptions could be wrong. For example, the frequency of meteor impacts could be much larger and our estimates too low because we don't notice most of them.

Then again, maybe sometimes, long odds just pay off.
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Wow Bill , you are coming more and more spooky with logic's force.
I thought myself is the only unnecessary spooky at this event.

In 1908, an asteroid or comet measuring tens of metres across detonated about 10km above Siberia. The explosion flattened some 80 million trees over an area of 2,000 sq km (800 sq m) near the Tunguska River - as luck would have it, a sparsely populated region.
20 Hiroshimas really ? where is the impact location pictures?
What is wrong with this event?
something is not just right with projector's trail

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55866-RT-News..Chasing-UFOs...plus-Meteor-Asteroid-discussion-items.....&p=636889#post636889

Referee
18th February 2013, 05:30
Something Odd going on in Key West this evening....

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panopticon
18th February 2013, 05:58
Referee, thank you for digging that video up because, if original and unaltered, it means that the object that zapped across the meteor unscathed was travelling at about twice as fast as the meteor itself. That is, at about 80,000 mph!


NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., now say the meteor weighed about 10,000 tons and was travelling 40,000 mph (64,373 km/h) when it exploded.

UFO anyone?

My very first thought when I saw that video was that, if it was real, the intercepting object was travelling much faster than any known defence missiles. My next thought of course was that the primary object was less than a minute off course, missing the G-20 Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors' Meeting (http://www.g20civil.com/calendar/) in Moscow by ~1800 Km...

This page (http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/) has some interesting analysis of the primary object's trajectory, roughly westerly, so less than a minute to Moscow:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=20430&d=1361166468

-- Pan

Hervé
18th February 2013, 06:31
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This page (http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/) has some interesting analysis of the primary object's trajectory, roughly westerly, so less than a minute to Moscow:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=20430&d=1361166468

-- Pan

Make it 15 to 25 degrees (unless talking about "time")... the path being subparallel to the border with Kazakshtan:



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Eram
18th February 2013, 07:42
Meteorite Fragments Found in Icy Urals Lake

MOSCOW, February 17 (RIA Novosti) – The fragments of a meteorite that hit Russia’s Urals on Friday, injuring more than 1,000 people in the area, have been found by scientists in Lake Chebarkul, in the Chelyabinsk Region.


“We have just completed the study, we confirm that the particulate matters, found by our expedition in the area of Lake Chebarkul indeed have meteorite nature,” Viktor Grohovsky of the Urals Federal University said.

“This meteorite is an ordinary chondrite, it is a stony meteorite which contains some 10 percent of iron. It is most likely to be named Chebarkul meteorite,” Grohovsky said.

Eyewitness Footage of Meteorite Strikes
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NASA estimates the Russian meteorite was roughly 50 feet (15 meters) in diameter when it struck Earth's atmosphere on Friday, travelling faster than the speed of sound, and exploded into a fireball brighter than the sun.

A flaming meteorite streaked across the sky and slammed into Russia’s Urals with a massive boom that blew out windows and damaged thousands of buildings around the city of Chelyabinsk, injuring 1,200 people in the area. According to the Health Ministry, 52 were hospitalized.

The rare and spectacular phenomenon sparked confusion and panic among residents of the region and was captured by numerous witnesses on video that quickly spread to television and computer screens around the world.

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http://en.rian.ru/images/17953/22/179532272.jpg

http://en.rian.ru/images/17953/14/179531415.jpg

source (http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130217/179531203/Meteorite-Fragments-Found-in-Icy-Urals-Lake---Scientists.html)

panopticon
18th February 2013, 08:24
Video of the primary object that were used as triangulations in the blog post (http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/) I mentioned:

Yemanzhelinsk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemanzhelinsk).

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Korkino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korkino).

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Then there's all the Chelyabinsk footage we've seen previously.

I downloaded Google Earth to view the triangulation they created and it actually took me back a bit. The red line is the trajectory they have calculated.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=20432&d=1361175284

-- Pan

Hervé
18th February 2013, 08:48
Well, something definitely doesn't quite add up between the satellite shot and the constructed trajectory...

panopticon
18th February 2013, 09:13
Well, something definitely doesn't quite add up between the satellite shot and the constructed trajectory...

G'day Amzer Zo,

To tell you the truth I was only just mucking around when I said about the G-20 summit in Moscow.
I know buggar all about calculating trajectories and only had a look online for someone who had done a rough calculation and found the blog I mentioned.
They were saying ENE direction and that was all I knew.
So I thought "Well they've got a Google Earth thingy to do with it so why not have a laugh" so downloaded GE while having dinner.

I was actually quite shocked when I looked at the trajectory they had worked out.

What is said in the site about the sat image you mentioned is:


How does this data square with the Meteosat 9 image that has being doing the rounds? At first glance, not well: Overlaying the image in Google Earth and aligning the border with Kazakhstan shows a 240km contrail that appears to end some 75km to the ENE of Chelyabinsk, even though the path when traced on the ground also leads directly to Lake Chebarkul.

At first, I thought the image might have been taken 5 minutes earlier, before the meteor streaked straight across Chelyabinsk proper, because the image’s metadata gives us a time of 3:15:00Z, or UTC, which is 6 hours behind Chelyabinsk time. But no meteor is going to take 5 minutes to traverse 75km, so we’ll just have to live with the time discrepancy. Webcams are not atomic clocks.

Much more interesting is the fact that if you look at the position of Meteosat 9, which is in a geostationary orbit, you see that Chelyabinsk is near the horizon of its view of Earth. This leads to extreme foreshortening in the snapshot of the meteor’s contrail:

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8250/8474853633_5c2ee51829_z.jpg

The version used in the overlay is an enhanced view of this image, taken from the same angle. (The blacked-out upper right-hand corner of the overlay is behind the horizon as seen from Meteosat 9.). If you simulate this view of Chelyabinsk in Google Earth, you see that in fact, the contrail aligns quite nicely over Chelyabinsk considering that it would be 30km high and at such an extreme angle over the horizon. So the 4.7 seconds of maximal brightness (with contrail) do get to happen just south of Chelyabinsk proper, as per the above video, and without contradiction by Meteosat 9.
Source (http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/).

Now I can't make head nor tail of this, and he admits that he isn't a scientist, but there are a number of people who are commenting on it adding information.

What started as a bit of tongue in cheek on my part is all getting a bit weird.
-- Pan

Hervé
18th February 2013, 09:31
Hi pan.

I was talking about this shot:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p7_RdfynRd3Ht99onl3aiWHlj1aO93TBLGXaZso-9rh0bnSUKuk4xVgidmmOTSG1dPdh9k8uVEbRCWqcWxwyu0U7Ec-M5bu-W/Russia%20overhead%20explosion-01.jpg?psid=1


... with respect to the Kazakhstan border.


However, there is one possiblity and that is that the satellite was in the same plane formed by the contrail projected to ground (green, in their reconstruction). In that case, it all fits perfectly and I guess that's what the blogger is trying to say about the satellite position at the time of the above picture.


Whereas, the following picture almost gives the vertical trajectory of the contrail in the atmosphere:



https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8250/8474853633_5c2ee51829_z.jpg

Bill Ryan
18th February 2013, 22:27
Looks like something went through the metorite..Perhaps shoot at by something... Good video evidence IMO...

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Confession: When I saw this post I thought: "Nonsense. No way could the Russians shoot down a small object traveling at 33,000 mph."

But I watched the video -- and now I'm not nearly so sure. It really looks as if something solid and non-explosive struck the object cleanly from one side (coming from the left), and continued out of the frame to the right.

The video is pretty clear for what it is. It looked like what one would expect from a kinetic energy weapon. That's a very fast, large bullet, to you and me. :)

Here's the concept, which was always part of the Star Wars program (and the Russians have their equivalent, too):
http://dkosopedia.com/wiki/Brilliant_Pebbles

If the Russians really do have the technology to do this, the Americans should be worried. It would mean they can take down any satellite, missile or advanced aircraft they want to, at any time they choose.

The other outlandish explanation (more outlandish? Maybe not!) is that ETs intervened. I can't think of any other way to explain the video other than the above two suggestions.

Watch the video. :bump:

Calz
18th February 2013, 22:40
Agreed.

Lot of strange stuff happening.

Everyone see Dutch's vid???


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Referee
24th February 2013, 01:59
Here is something interesting a new thought on the incident looks like a smoke trail zig zags across the sky and impacts the earth...before the main meteorite arrives.

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Hervé
27th February 2013, 07:06
Very reassuring scientists: That meteorite has 80 millions cousins... circling in the asteroid belt:


Astronomers Calculate Russian Meteorite's Orbit, Find It Has 80 Million Cousins (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-02/astronomers-calculate-russian-meteorites-orbit-and-realize-it-has-80-million-cousins)


The Chelyabinsk meteorite came from a well-known family of Earth-crossing space rocks known as the Apollo asteroids.
By Rebecca Boyle (http://projectavalon.net/category/popsci-authors/rebecca-boyle)
Posted 02.26.2013 at 5:02 pm


http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/orbit2.png

Asteroid Orbits Both the asteroid 2012DA14 and the Chelyabinsk meteorite came from the asteroid belt, but from different orbits. Earth's orbit is shown in green. NASA

Thanks to dozens of video reports, scientists are getting a pretty good handle on the life history (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-02/how-russian-dashcam-videos-will-help-astronomers-reconstruct-meteorites-life-history) of the massive meteorite that exploded above Russia earlier this month. They know it is rocky and a common type (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-02/russian-meteorite-was-everyday-space-rock-common-throughout-solar-system), and now they know where it probably came from. Scientists are scrambling to publish papers (http://www.technologyreview.com/view/511691/astronomers-calculate-orbit-of-chelyabinsk-meteorite/) describing its origins in the middle of the solar system.

The asteroid chip that became the recent meteorite came from a spot in the asteroid belt near Jupiter, about 2.5 times further from the sun than Earth is, according to NASA (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/26feb_russianmeteor/).

At the University of Antioquia in Colombia, astronomers Jorge I. Zuluaga and Ignacio Ferrin produced a preliminary reconstruction (http://arxiv.org/abs/1302.5377) of its orbit around the sun. It came from a well-known group of asteroids that frequently cross paths with Earth, known as the Apollo asteroids. Astronomers have seen about 240 that are larger than a kilometer in diameter, but speculate that about 2,000 similarly sized space rocks exist. As for rocks of Chelyabinsk size? There could be 80 million.

The space rock’s trajectory can also be determined through infrasound, astronomers said. Infrasound ripples spread through the atmosphere as the meteorite exploded, and by examining their patterns, scientists can figure out which direction the meteor traveled and how much energy it unleashed. Elephants and homing pigeons can hear it, but all humans can do is turn to the infrasound stations monitored by the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization.


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http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/related_info_thumbnail/articles/meteorite2.png
Analysis: Russian Meteorite Was An Everyday Space Rock, Common Throughout The Solar System (http://projectavalon.net/science/article/2013-02/russian-meteorite-was-everyday-space-rock-common-throughout-solar-system)

http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/related_info_thumbnail/articles/Fireball.png
How Amateur Videos Will Help Astronomers Reconstruct Meteorite's Life History (http://projectavalon.net/science/article/2013-02/how-russian-dashcam-videos-will-help-astronomers-reconstruct-meteorites-life-history)

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Shouldn't We Have Been Able To See This Huge Meteor Coming? (http://projectavalon.net/science/article/2013-02/shouldnt-we-have-been-able-see-huge-meteor-coming-actually-no)


“We would like to know not only where it came from, but how big it was, how coherent it was, where it stated breaking up, where its terminal impact was,” said Bill McKinnon, professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Washington University in St. Louis.

“People have studied the entry of these sort of meteors before, but they’re usually not quite so big. We haven’t had a chance to have such a good instrumented look at these things ... they don’t undergo terminal deceleration over a city of a million people.”

Nobody could see it coming (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-02/shouldnt-we-have-been-able-see-huge-meteor-coming-actually-no) because it careened toward Earth from the same direction as the sun, so no telescopes could have detected it. But video cameras throughout Russia captured its entry, and Zuluanga and Ferrin use these to reconstruct the space rock’s orbit.

They used trigonometry to determine its speed, height and position--it entered at a shallow 30-degree angle--and then they calculated its height, elevation and geolocation at its so-called “brightening point,” when it becomes bright enough to cast a shadow in the videos. They plugged this data into a model that computes the gravitational influence of the moon, Earth and other planets, and figured out it was an Apollo group asteroid.

Their paper is posted to the physics arXiv preprint server (http://arxiv.org/abs/1302.5377), and McKinnon notes there are probably many more to come.

http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/orbit3.png
Chelyabinsk Meteorite Orbit: Jorge I. Zuluaga and Ignacio Ferrin

[via Technology Review (http://www.technologyreview.com/view/511691/astronomers-calculate-orbit-of-chelyabinsk-meteorite/), NASA (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/26feb_russianmeteor/)]


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From the above diagram I infer that the orbit shown for the meteorite (ChM) is the averaging of the maximum (dashed blue ellipse) and minimum (un-annoted, solid blue lined ellipse) trajectories of the computed error range.

Bill Ryan
28th February 2013, 10:58
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Interesting article at http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/27/world/europe/russia-meteor/index.html?hpt=hp_t3:

(extract, slightly summarized):




The big boom over Chelyabinsk on February 15 produced a wave of sound thousands of times lower than a piano's middle C -- far below the range of human hearing, according to the international agency that watches for nuclear bomb tests. The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization (http://www.ctbto.org/) said that sound wave showed up on sensors (http://www.ctbto.org/press-centre/press-releases/2013/russian-fireball-largest-ever-detected-by-ctbtos-infrasound-sensors/)from Greenland to Antarctica, making it the largest ever detected by its network.

Scientists then used that wave to calculate the size of the small asteroid that plunged to Earth, said Margaret Campbell-Brown, an astronomer at Canada's University of Western Ontario.

The duration of the wave -- about 32 seconds -- let scientists estimate the energy of the blast at between 450 and 500 kilotons, the size of about 30 early nuclear bombs

From there, Brown said, they could calculate the size of the fireball; and using an estimate of the meteor's speed from the numerous dashboard and mobile-phone cameras (http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/15/world/europe/russia-meteor-shower)that captured the scene, it was "first-year physics" to figure out the approximate size and weight, she said.

The latest estimate is that the Chelyabinsk meteor was about 56 feet (17 meters) across, weighed more than 700,000 tons and was moving about 18 kilometers per second (40,000 mph) when it blew apart, she said.

Ultima Thule
1st March 2013, 18:19
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Interesting article at http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/27/world/europe/russia-meteor/index.html?hpt=hp_t3:

(extract, slightly summarized):




The big boom over Chelyabinsk on February 15 produced a wave of sound thousands of times lower than a piano's middle C -- far below the range of human hearing, according to the international agency that watches for nuclear bomb tests. The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization (http://www.ctbto.org/) said that sound wave showed up on sensors (http://www.ctbto.org/press-centre/press-releases/2013/russian-fireball-largest-ever-detected-by-ctbtos-infrasound-sensors/)from Greenland to Antarctica, making it the largest ever detected by its network.

Scientists then used that wave to calculate the size of the small asteroid that plunged to Earth, said Margaret Campbell-Brown, an astronomer at Canada's University of Western Ontario.

The duration of the wave -- about 32 seconds -- let scientists estimate the energy of the blast at between 450 and 500 kilotons, the size of about 30 early nuclear bombs

From there, Brown said, they could calculate the size of the fireball; and using an estimate of the meteor's speed from the numerous dashboard and mobile-phone cameras (http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/15/world/europe/russia-meteor-shower)that captured the scene, it was "first-year physics" to figure out the approximate size and weight, she said.

The latest estimate is that the Chelyabinsk meteor was about 56 feet (17 meters) across, weighed more than 700,000 tons and was moving about 18 kilometers per second (40,000 mph) when it blew apart, she said.



The weight estimate has varied somewhat and the thing I can´t wrap my mind over is this:
17x17x17 meters(calculating it as a cube to at least not underestimate the dimensions) by 3500 kg/m3(the weight for quite dense rock) = 17195500kg, 17195,5 tons
Even when calculating at 8000 kg/m3(which according to wikipedia sources is for very rare materials) you get 39304000 kg, that is 39 304 tons, which is still lacking some 660000 tons from the estimate.

Am I getting something wrong in this calculation or is there just a difference in how numbers are expressed in different countries? Does the mentioned 700,000 tons mean 700 000 000 kilograms?

UT
:confused:

EDIT: When looking at the original article the weight estimate is over 7,000 tons, not 700,000 tons, PROBLEM SOLVED, MOVE ALONG! ;)

Sunny-side-up
14th April 2013, 15:59
I'm afraid my material brain has evolved away from maths (I'm no good at maths at all) Which is a mixed blessing. I am interested in seeing other calculations on this subject!

Bill Ryan
17th January 2018, 16:45
Some of the videos on this thread are no longer available, so I found this compendium. It's pretty impressive.

Go to 3:10 (and later) for the huge noise the thing made, and how much chaos ensued. 3,000 buildings were damaged, and 1,000 people injured. The atmospheric explosion was that of 300,000 tons of TNT... i.e. 20 Hiroshima bombs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmXyJrs7iU