My Search for Truth is Over

[humanalien]

I was going through the forums last night and
i ran across a post by SilentFeathers. The post
was about:

Petrus Romanus - The Final Pope is here.
We are witnessing prophecy unfold before
our very eyes as we learn that Pope Benedict
XVI is stepping down

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/02/15/the-hagmann-hagmann-report

This audio(around 3 hours long) had Steve Quayle as one
of the featured speakers.

I've seen posts about this man before but any more, i
tend to look at everything as more lies that i don't want
to see or hear.

Any more, the bulk of what i see coming out of this site
is nothing but lies, whether the posters are aware of it or
not and i've just had my fill of it.

That is why i concentrate more on what is currently going
on in the world vs aliens, ufo's, bigfoot, new age junk and
so on. No one has any real good information on any of this
and i understand the reasons for it, so i don't blame anyone
when they do post about that stuff. I've made posts like that
myself.

We all are in this, seeking the truth and to find answers but
to me, none of the so called puzzle pieces, were fitting together
at all. It's like we are getting all the inside pieces, with no border
pieces to work from and that makes putting the puzzle together,
next near to impossible.

Like i said, i ran cross that steve quayle audio and at first, i wasn't
going to listen to it but i had time to kill, so i gave it a shot. I
wasn't disappointed.

This audio is based on christianity and i know a lot of you, do not
even believe in God, so naturally, your not going to want to hear
this audio but i feel that it would be a big loss to you, if you don't.

I'll start out by saying that some of the stuff that steve talks about,
closely matches up to what our own Duncan O'finioan has been saying
for a long time. He talks about what our governments are doing by
opening portals into other dimensions and allowing what lives in there,
to come across, to our 3rd dimension.

These won't be demons(evil spirits) but some of the most ghastly and
grotesque looking creatures that only satan could have created. These
will be the type of creatures that humanity will be up against, when the
time comes. These will be physical beings, not spiritual.

He describes bigfoot or the plural as he calls it bigfeet, are carnivorous
and not the plant eaters that everyone seems to think that they are. He
has been in contact with all the indian tribes in america and every one
of them has told him this.

He goes on to say that bigfeet are using portals to come into our dimension
but he did cover the part about, are the bigfeet opening their own portals
or is something else opening the portals for them. He says that bigfeet are
being killed all the time by people working on train tracks or any job that
requires people to be in an area of woods. This information is being silenced
for some reason.

Other information being silenced are all the bones of giant humanoids being
found around the world. These giants did exist in the past but all the proof
of that is being silenced. Anything that does get a little coverage, quickly
has another story put out that the bones were faked or photoshopped in
the picture.

Mainly, he talked about the vatican and how they are entity of evil and God
will destroy it, in the end. He talks about how everything in the vatican, is
geared toward bringing in the anti-christ. I personally don't believe that the
vatican has always been evil but when they started electing Freemasons in
as popes, things went downhill from the point on.

He talks also about how much of the world is being deceived via religion,
new age foo foo talk about how we are going to ascend and the christ mind,
about how guru's deceive you by having you meditate and so much more.

I really can't do this audio of steve quayle any justice. Your going to have to
listen to it, to know what i'm talking about. All i know is that with everything
that he said, all the puzzle pieces, came together for me. I now, can
see a more complete picture of why things are happening the way that they
are.

He is going through the same persecution that duncan is. He is being bashed
by everyone, that doesn't believe in God. He doing the same thing that duncan
did to us, in that if you don't want to hear his message, he washes his hands
of you and walks away. In his case though, he didn't give up on humanity, he
just walks away from people that won't listen to him. I pray that duncan will
come back to us, to help us in our time of need. We need him.

If the next new pope, is truly going to be our last pope, look for things
to go into full swing, three and a half years from the date that he will be
elected. Time is short people. Be on guard and be prepared for anything.

Please note that i'm not trying to offend anyone. I'm just retelling what
i have heard, to you. I agree with what steve talks about but i didn't say it.

[Sidney]

post edit.
Humanalien, i respectfully disagree with you regarding the bulk of material here being lies. I agree, there is disinfo everywhere, we just have to know how to sort through the crap to find the good stuff.

But that said, thank you for posting this, it looks like a good interview to listen to. I will make a point to do so, when I can.

[humanalien]

Saying most of the information here is lies, whether we know it or not, IMO is not only mean spirited but a false statement. You have the right to your opinion, however its not really even the message you have here, but the delivery is rude. If you feel this way why then have you spent so much time and effort participating here. Like anywhere else, here at avalon, discernment is key.

What opened my eyes, was that I watched every video on camelot in chronological order (most of them is in the archives currently). There is some dis-info everywhere, you have to sort it out yourself to find YOUR truth. I think it would be nice if you re-worded your post to say that maybe some stuff doesn't resonate with you. Saying that MOST info here is LIES kind of makes you look like a DISINFO agent.

You would be wrong in that statement. I'm certainly no disinfo agent. I'm
just looking for some truth for a change and i believe that i have finally
found it here on this site. I didn't say this site is worthless or else i wouldn't
have stuck around as long as i did. I didn't say or i didn't mean to imply that
people here tell lies. What is mean to say is that people(including myself), have
been helpful in spreading other peoples lies, whether they knew about it or
not. I don't know what goes on in peoples minds, so i can't just say that
people are liers here. I wouldn't believe that one myself and i would be offended
to.

What i find irritating is the fact that you would choose to focus your
attention on this one little piece of information, instead of the message
in whole.

Why do you attack my character like that? What have i done to you that
you would attack me?

It doesn't really matter though. I forgive you.

[AnthonyBacala]

I, myself, was up till 2 am listening to this same interview last night. Steve Quayle, Tom Horn, Chris Putnam, and Rob Skiba seem to really be onto something big here.

And there are a wealth of interviews by these guys I had previously not seen.

It has changed my perception on a lot of things.

I will elaborate further later, but this interview is one of the best interviews I have ever heard.

[skippy]

Great thread humanalien! I listened to the interview and I must say that these guys are really putting some interesting pieces together.. Definitely some interesting stuff in there for further investigation.

[SilentFeathers]

I almost turned this interview off in the beginning because they were getting a bit, well, "religious" :) I'm damn glad I didn't, it was one of the best interviews I've heard in a while, it really gets into many levels of "possibilities" that make a lot of sense....it really touches on many things that will spark the circuits in the mind in to firing on many levels! :)

[GoodETxSG]

Yes, when you challenge a person there are many different reactions that can occur. Some wear their feelings on their sleeves and some are so locked into the certainty of their belief system that they respond with anger and pontificate snapping back using every demeaning big word in their lexicon to dispute your idea as if it validates them in some way...

There is not ONE TRUTH... There are as many truths as there are individuals. This is a place where those truths and ideas are supposed to live in harmony. They do not always of course as our human nature takes over and we succumb to blind emotion.

So we can all float around in our own reality bubbles and when they bump into each other we can try to pop the others bubble or we can merge our bubbles into a flower of life...

Lets all try to not be so easy to offend and quick to trash each other please. If we have a problem email the individual. If that does not work get a moderator involved... open hostility in the forums serves only one purpose "DIVIDE".

I love all of you, those who agree with me and those who do not.. those who can't stand me and those who love me back. This should be a place of sharing and love, that is what drew me to this Forum in the first place...


Great thread humanalien! I listen to the interview and I must say that these guys are really putting some interesting pieces together..

[4evrneo]

Thank you for this post....
now I am curious
Im going to listen to it tonite.

[GoodETxSG]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/02/15/the-hagmann-hagmann-report.mp3

I am gonna give it a listen too...

[KiwiElf]

Thank you Humanalien - as a wise person once said (whose name escapes meh...) "Ignore nothing..." ;)

[AutumnW]

Is Quayle still talking a new world order that is somehow run by the Soviets?

[Sidney]

Saying most of the information here is lies, whether we know it or not, IMO is not only mean spirited but a false statement. You have the right to your opinion, however its not really even the message you have here, but the delivery is rude. If you feel this way why then have you spent so much time and effort participating here. Like anywhere else, here at avalon, discernment is key.

What opened my eyes, was that I watched every video on camelot in chronological order (most of them is in the archives currently). There is some dis-info everywhere, you have to sort it out yourself to find YOUR truth. I think it would be nice if you re-worded your post to say that maybe some stuff doesn't resonate with you. Saying that MOST info here is LIES kind of makes you look like a DISINFO agent.

You would be wrong in that statement. I'm certainly no disinfo agent. I'm
just looking for some truth for a change and i believe that i have finally
found it here on this site. I didn't say this site is worthless or else i wouldn't
have stuck around as long as i did. I didn't say or i didn't mean to imply that
people here tell lies. What is mean to say is that people(including myself), have
been helpful in spreading other peoples lies, whether they knew about it or
not. I don't know what goes on in peoples minds, so i can't just say that
people are liers here. I wouldn't believe that one myself and i would be offended
to.

What i find irritating is the fact that you would choose to focus your
attention on this one little piece of information, instead of the message
in whole.

Why do you attack my character like that? What have i done to you that
you would attack me?

It doesn't really matter though. I forgive you.

I apologize for the attack. In fact I will edit my posting about the disinfo agent. I really was just bothered by the implication of the bulk here being lies. I really do not think anyone here is qualified to judge how much truth or untruth is here. I happen to have a very high respect for this forum and all of the information that one can gather by being here. I sincerely didn't mean to attack you. Please accept my apology.:sorry::tea:

[kaon]

Thank you for your synopsis of the audio. I appreciate it when I hear an evaluation or summation before I listen or watch. My interest is certainly peaked and others have obviously enjoyed it, but I won't get the time to listen to it until later in the week.

[humanalien]

Saying most of the information here is lies, whether we know it or not, IMO is not only mean spirited but a false statement. You have the right to your opinion, however its not really even the message you have here, but the delivery is rude. If you feel this way why then have you spent so much time and effort participating here. Like anywhere else, here at avalon, discernment is key.

What opened my eyes, was that I watched every video on camelot in chronological order (most of them is in the archives currently). There is some dis-info everywhere, you have to sort it out yourself to find YOUR truth. I think it would be nice if you re-worded your post to say that maybe some stuff doesn't resonate with you. Saying that MOST info here is LIES kind of makes you look like a DISINFO agent.

You would be wrong in that statement. I'm certainly no disinfo agent. I'm
just looking for some truth for a change and i believe that i have finally
found it here on this site. I didn't say this site is worthless or else i wouldn't
have stuck around as long as i did. I didn't say or i didn't mean to imply that
people here tell lies. What is mean to say is that people(including myself), have
been helpful in spreading other peoples lies, whether they knew about it or
not. I don't know what goes on in peoples minds, so i can't just say that
people are liers here. I wouldn't believe that one myself and i would be offended
to.

What i find irritating is the fact that you would choose to focus your
attention on this one little piece of information, instead of the message
in whole.

Why do you attack my character like that? What have i done to you that
you would attack me?

It doesn't really matter though. I forgive you.

I apologize for the attack. In fact I will edit my posting about the disinfo agent. I really was just bothered by the implication of the bulk here being lies. I really do not think anyone here is qualified to judge how much truth or untruth is here. I happen to have a very high respect for this forum and all of the information that one can gather by being here. I sincerely didn't mean to attack you. Please accept my apology.:sorry::tea:

You were forgiven before you asked for it. I'll apologize to you to
because i obviously offended you. It wasn't my intent to do that
though. I have a big problem with knowing how to word things
and that seems to be getting me in trouble.

[Earth Angel]

in fairness it is often easy to misunderstand a written post/email/text.......glad it's all sorted out :wave:

[delfine]

Bookmarking this for later. Thanks for sharing.

[Youniverse]

I was going through the forums last night and
i ran across a post by SilentFeathers. The post
was about:

Petrus Romanus - The Final Pope is here.
We are witnessing prophecy unfold before
our very eyes as we learn that Pope Benedict
XVI is stepping down

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/02/15/the-hagmann-hagmann-report

This audio(around 3 hours long) had Steve Quayle as one
of the featured speakers.

I've seen posts about this man before but any more, i
tend to look at everything as more lies that i don't want
to see or hear.

Any more, the bulk of what i see coming out of this site
is nothing but lies, whether the posters are aware of it or
not and i've just had my fill of it.

That is why i concentrate more on what is currently going
on in the world vs aliens, ufo's, bigfoot, new age junk and
so on. No one has any real good information on any of this
and i understand the reasons for it, so i don't blame anyone
when they do post about that stuff. I've made posts like that
myself.

We all are in this, seeking the truth and to find answers but
to me, none of the so called puzzle pieces, were fitting together
at all. It's like we are getting all the inside pieces, with no border
pieces to work from and that makes putting the puzzle together,
next near to impossible.

Like i said, i ran cross that steve quayle audio and at first, i wasn't
going to listen to it but i had time to kill, so i gave it a shot. I
wasn't disappointed.

This audio is based on christianity and i know a lot of you, do not
even believe in God, so naturally, your not going to want to hear
this audio but i feel that it would be a big loss to you, if you don't.

I'll start out by saying that some of the stuff that steve talks about,
closely matches up to what our own Duncan O'finioan has been saying
for a long time. He talks about what our governments are doing by
opening portals into other dimensions and allowing what lives in there,
to come across, to our 3rd dimension.

These won't be demons(evil spirits) but some of the most ghastly and
grotesque looking creatures that only satan could have created. These
will be the type of creatures that humanity will be up against, when the
time comes. These will be physical beings, not spiritual.

He describes bigfoot or the plural as he calls it bigfeet, are carnivorous
and not the plant eaters that everyone seems to think that they are. He
has been in contact with all the indian tribes in america and every one
of them has told him this.

He goes on to say that bigfeet are using portals to come into our dimension
but he did cover the part about, are the bigfeet opening their own portals
or is something else opening the portals for them. He says that bigfeet are
being killed all the time by people working on train tracks or any job that
requires people to be in an area of woods. This information is being silenced
for some reason.

Other information being silenced are all the bones of giant humanoids being
found around the world. These giants did exist in the past but all the proof
of that is being silenced. Anything that does get a little coverage, quickly
has another story put out that the bones were faked or photoshopped in
the picture.

Mainly, he talked about the vatican and how they are entity of evil and God
will destroy it, in the end. He talks about how everything in the vatican, is
geared toward bringing in the anti-christ. I personally don't believe that the
vatican has always been evil but when they started electing Freemasons in
as popes, things went downhill from the point on.

He talks also about how much of the world is being deceived via religion,
new age foo foo talk about how we are going to ascend and the christ mind,
about how guru's deceive you by having you meditate and so much more.

I really can't do this audio of steve quayle any justice. Your going to have to
listen to it, to know what i'm talking about. All i know is that with everything
that he said, all the puzzle pieces, came together for me. I now, can
see a more complete picture of why things are happening the way that they
are.

He is going through the same persecution that duncan is. He is being bashed
by everyone, that doesn't believe in God. He doing the same thing that duncan
did to us, in that if you don't want to hear his message, he washes his hands
of you and walks away. In his case though, he didn't give up on humanity, he
just walks away from people that won't listen to him. I pray that duncan will
come back to us, to help us in our time of need. We need him.

If the next new pope, is truly going to be our last pope, look for things
to go into full swing, three and a half years from the date that he will be
elected. Time is short people. Be on guard and be prepared for anything.

Please note that i'm not trying to offend anyone. I'm just retelling what
i have heard, to you. I agree with what steve talks about but i didn't say it.

Yeah I'd disagree with much of what you said at the start of the post here as well. So you've given up the search for truth because you think you found it in this Steve Quayle video? Brilliant. Truth is fluid my friend. It's a process, not static. That's what we're here for. And satan never existed actually. Ya I know and have heard the old story about "the greatest trick the devil ever played..." blah blah blah. It's no trick! because he never existed! He was made up by a group of men in the distant past so they could usurp the female divine feminine paradigm that was in place. That's it! The only way the devil ever existed was in the minds of people that chose to believe that. Now what we call demons or malevolent beings(only in dualism anyways) may very well exist, at least in other dimensions. There is some evidence for that.

[Sidney]

Ok I want to comment on the interview. I listend to about an hour of it. And, for me
it just did not resonate. Way too much biblical jargon, and the format in which the interview is laid out just made it way too hard to follow. Thank you for posting though, I am sure others who prefer this type of information and can translate it into laymans terms, will gain something. I just didn't get it. Humanalien, this is in no way an attack on you or your character, this is about the video only. : )

[ceetee9]

Humanalien, I hope you do not leave Avalon, but whether you do or don't, don't ever stop searching for the truth. As youniverse said, "it's a process" for which we must be forever vigilant.

And thank you for the audio link. I listened to it, but it is mired in religious dogma and, therefore, does not resonate with me either.

[humanalien]

Ok I want to comment on the interview. I listend to about an hour of it. And, for me
it just did not resonate. Way too much biblical jargon, and the format in which the interview is laid out just made it way too hard to follow. Thank you for posting though, I am sure others who prefer this type of information and can translate it into laymans terms, will gain something. I just didn't get it. Humanalien, this is in no way an attack on you or your character, this is about the video only. : )

That's ok that you don't believe. My beliefs can't be everyone elses
and i understand that. Fore me though, Steves information just slapped
me right in the face and a light came on. For me, he speaks the truth.

[Kiforall]

Thanks for the link, I've listened to 2hrs last night will finish the rest tonight.
This is just about how I see alien disclosure happening. The religious aspects are in context with the people that will be affected and drawn in by the disception of a 'saviour' from above, bringing one religion and NWO.

Whether this Satan/Devil/anti christ is anything but a Demi god (s) who has/have deceived the masses as far back as recorded ancient history, only time will tell. But I believe with the ever rising abuse/paedophile/money laundering etc disclosure, that may bring down the churches and religion as we know it, what perfect way to bring in another form of control for the sheeple. If it does come to fruition I can't wait to watch how many people fall for it and how many will be hunted down as heretics (it's just history repeating itself)

I may add more after listening to the last hour, the carnivorous big feet are hopefully coming up next.;)

[TOTHE]

Thanks for the link, I've listened to 2hrs last night will finish the rest tonight.
This is just about how I see alien disclosure happening. The religious aspects are in context with the people that will be affected and drawn in by the disception of a 'saviour' from above, bringing one religion and NWO.

Whether this Satan/Devil/anti christ is anything but a Demi god (s) who has/have deceived the masses as far back as recorded ancient history, only time will tell. But I believe with the ever rising abuse/paedophile/money laundering etc disclosure, that may bring down the churches and religion as we know it, what perfect way to bring in another form of control for the sheeple. If it does come to fruition I can't wait to watch how many people fall for it and how many will be hunted down as heretics (it's just history repeating itself)

I may add more after listening to the last hour, the carnivorous big feet are hopefully coming up next.;)

Well, it took 900 years for the Cather extermination to start after Constantine got the ball rolling with ‘one church’. The Catholic Church was in holy terror of the Gnostic belief system. Now with the internet we may see things manifest sooner...say like 100 years. We should see genocide appearing first then an inquisition last to erase the the remaining traces. Come to think of it the Jesuits did a job on 16th century New World Indigenous with 90% effectiveness. Stalin and Russia..same tactics. Now it is our turn to fall under the blade..what yea sow yea shall reap...paying for the sins of our forefathers?

[Ron Mauer Sr]

My search for Truth is over,
and I am now looking for a good fantasy.

[jackovesk]

Steve Quayle says (ALOT of THINGS) but...

He (CAN'T PROVE ANY OF IT)..!

So to absorb the information and futhermore believe it you have to (OWN IT YOURSELF as TRUTH)..!?

or

Disregard it as :bs:

The (CHOICE) is yours...

PS - Steve Quayle's best (STORY) is the one about the US Marines Fighting off & Killing a Steam-Rolling GIANT in I think Afghanistan...



Giants: Evidence & Legend
Host: George Noory
Guests: Steve Quayle

He shared details from an email he received from a US Air Force officer about a dead giant he observed in Afghanistan eight months ago who was flown to a secret military base in Europe. The giant was estimated to weigh about 1100 lbs., appeared to be twice the height of a normal human, and had an unusual odor.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2005/11/07

Nephilim Giants Steve Quayle Cost2Coast Part 4

Starts @ 1.38mins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLkPSFhQBp4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k61DtqMXT4o

[Youniverse]

I hope you don't leave Avalon either humanalien. I value every perspective on here equally. Even, or especially, the ones I totally disagree with. But the more variety of opinion we have the better. If you decide to leave, though, I'd respect your decision totally.

[Sidney]

Ok I want to comment on the interview. I listend to about an hour of it. And, for me
it just did not resonate. Way too much biblical jargon, and the format in which the interview is laid out just made it way too hard to follow. Thank you for posting though, I am sure others who prefer this type of information and can translate it into laymans terms, will gain something. I just didn't get it. Humanalien, this is in no way an attack on you or your character, this is about the video only. : )

That's ok that you don't believe. My beliefs can't be everyone elses
and i understand that. Fore me though, Steves information just slapped
me right in the face and a light came on. For me, he speaks the truth.

Its not that I don't believe. Just the opposite!! I just had a hard time following it, thats all. I am sure there is a lot of truth in that interview!!! I just lost interest in it I guess.

[humanalien]

The only real problem i have with the audio's is
that the host has two, really well informed people
on as guest speakers at the same time.

Both want to talk so bad that they politely cut
each other off at times.

I think the host should do one person at a time.

If you have any religious overtones in you at all,
i think that you would really like what you hear
from steve quayle and tom horn.

Like anything else you hear or read though, take
everything with a grain of salt and be honest with
yourself when forming opinions.

[humanalien]

I was listening to a tom horn audio on YT
and for the first time ever in my life, just
listening to it, physically was draining me of
energy. I've never experienced this before in
my entire life.

I thought to myself that maybe this guy is just
trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes to sell
books or something. He doesn't deliver the kind
of energy that steve quayle does.

Toward the end of the audio, a caller asked tom
a question about his past as a preacher and he
said that he use to preach on the trinity broadcast
network(TBN) for 25 years and he said when he quit
doing it, he asked God for forgiveness for doing it.

In stead of making a fortune for a christian network,
i guess he decided to go on his own and write books.
I felt as if tom was telling a lot of untruths or he really
didn't know what he was talking about.

This got me wondering if steve quayle was telling
the truth or not, so i began checking him out. I found
a lot of sites that claim steve is just another flimflam
man and his main interests is selling books. I don't
know that for a fact, i'm just saying.

They claim that he takes bible verses out of context
or makes them fit into his stories, so i decided to
do some checking of my own in the bible.

Steve talks a lot about giants and that giants were
created when the fallen angels(sons of God) came unto
the women on earth to mate.

Since steve mentioned that he to used to be a preacher
to, i never bothered to check what he said, against what
the bible says.

Anyway, here is what i found.

What are angels


Hebrews 1:14

But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit
on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool?

Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister
for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

So, through bible verse, we established that angels
are ministering spirits.

Fallen angels are never called sons of God

This is just after satan lost the war in heaven.


2 Peter 2:4
God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them
down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness,
to be reserved unto judgment.

Jude 6
the angels which kept not their first estate, but left
their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting
chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Since these angels “kept not their first estate,” they
lost all the privileges and benefits they had in heaven,
including the right to be called the “sons of God.”

God did not create angels with the ability to procreate
with each other or with humans.



Mark 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are
in heaven.


This is saying that when the dead rise in christ or followers
of christ, they will not marry, nor will they be given in
marriage.

Also spirits or angels do not have physical meat bodies
like we do, so mating, even with fallen angels, is impossible.

Then who are the sons of God, mentioned in Genesis 6


Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them
to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:4, 6-7
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
declare, if thou hast understanding. …Whereupon are the
foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone
thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all
the sons of God shouted for joy?

In these verses, God is clearly speaking about his loyal
angels but:

Sons of God are also humans who follow God


John 1:12
But as many as received him [Jesus Christ], to them gave
he power to become the sons of God, even to them that
believe on his name.

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are
the sons of God.

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed
upon us, that we should be called the sons of God


Clearly, the bible is speaking about mankind here. So,
to recap, The angels that follow Gods ways and mankind
that follow Gods ways are called the Sons of God.

When steve tells the story of giants, he starts out in
the beginning at Genesis 6: 1-2


And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the
face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they
were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.


Since we established now that angels are spirits and that
they are neither married or given in marriage, we know
that this verse isn't speaking about angels, it's speaking
about the true followers of God aka human men.

Those verses were talking about cain's descendants meeting
up with Seth's descendants. Cains descendants were not
Gods followers where as Seth's were. They were the sons
of God mentioned in those verses.

So seths people looked at cains women and saw that they
were fair.

Genesis 6: 3 Tells us how upset God was with man by that
union of Godly and unGodly people.


And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive
with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall
be an hundred and twenty years

and


Genesis 6:5-7
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his
heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth,
and it grieved him at his heart.

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created
from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the
creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repents
me that I have made them.

So now we know that it wasn't fallen angels that mated
with the women, it was Cains descendants or other non
believers.

The result of Godly people mating with UnGodly people,
resulted in the corruption of all flesh, with the exception
of noah and his family.

Steve said that because of this union of fallen angels
and human women, giants were produced but that isn't so.

Giants were real back then, we already know that but the
next verse that i'll show you, you will see that giants
were already around, at the time of the mating with women.


Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also
after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters
of men, and they bore children to them, the same became
mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

As you can see "There were giants in the earth in those days",
meaning at that time in history, Giants already roamed the
earth.

"and also after that" meaning after the mating.

If giants were in existence during that time, then it's
safe to assume that giants existed before that time.

So before, during and after, giants were already around.
They didn't need fallen angels to create them, they were
already there.

One thing that i never understood is this line.

became
mighty men which were of old, men of renown

If someone could explain that to me, i sure would
appreciate it.

That's as far as i'm going to go with what steve said.
He knows the story about seths people meeting up
with cains people but he says that isn't true and his
version is.

Is it possible that steve and tom both are false prophets?
I won't say they are but it is possible.

Steve and tom both, in my opinion, have really messed
up in their translations of bible verses, so i have to chuck
everything they said out the window.

Although, i no longer believe them, my quest for truth is
still over because it was looking at me the whole time. I
refer to God and his word. This is the only book that has
never failed me and because i didn't like what i was reading,
i choose to look for answers elsewhere.

That is what got me looking at ufo's and aliens for answers
but in the end, those stories went down the tubes to.

Are aliens real?
Yes they are.

What are they then?
My belief is that they are the fallen angels that escaped being
chained by God, after the war in heaven.

Angels are shape shifters to. They almost always took on the
shape of man, when visiting people like abraham and i believe
there are one or two instances where they shape shifted into
a woman.

If they can do that, then it's not a far stretch of the imagination
to assume that they can shape shift into just about anything
they want to, even shape shift into grey aliens, insectoids or
any other unGodly appearance.

I really believe that the wool is being pulled over everyones
eye's and we are made to believe that what we are seeing,
hearing and reading is the truth.

With this new age of electronic communications, satans followers
have such an easy format at which they can deceive the masses.

With people preaching to us about ufo's, aliens, new age mumble
jumble, shifting into a new dimension and talk like that, it's very
easy for people to get interested in it and before long, they believe
it, whole heartedly, like i did.

I'm not here to preach to you. If you feel secure in what you know,
there is nothing that i can do about it, because you are already set
in your belief.

I'm just trying to raise awareness that there are those out there
that are trying to deceive you.

[Kiforall]

Seems like all journeys lead back to God/source/creator.

[humanalien]

Seems like all journeys lead back to God/source/creator.

For me, this has always been the case. No matter how far
out there i go, it all goes back to God.

[Youniverse]

It all goes back in the box when the game is over. Sounds like a great title for a book? Oh yeah it already is.

[PurpleLama]

HA, I would like to suggest that following the work of Joseph P Farrell would bring views with a real grounding in history, real, hidden, and otherwise. What I'm hearing in this Quale interview is ungrounded and purely speculative. These guys are twisting scripture with the best of 'em. For Entertainment Purposes Only. I believe much more value is to be found in Farrell's work, I have heard a number of incorrect references already in the first hour of the Quale interview.

Here is a link to a wealth of Farrell interviews: http://www.thebyteshow.com/JosephPFarrell.html

[humanalien]

HA, I would like to suggest that following the work of Joseph P Farrell would bring views with a real grounding in history, real, hidden, and otherwise. What I'm hearing in this Quale interview is ungrounded and purely speculative. These guys are twisting scripture with the best of 'em. For Entertainment Purposes Only. I believe much more value is to be found in Farrell's work, I have heard a number of incorrect references already in the first hour of the Quale interview.

Here is a link to a wealth of Farrell interviews: http://www.thebyteshow.com/JosephPFarrell.html

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out, later on.

[Revere]

HA
Is it possible that steve and tom both are false prophets?
I won't say they are but it is possible.


Yes, what you say is always possible. It is also possible that they have done a lot more research on these verses. For example: went back into source material, correlated various apocrypha texts, or made some logical or illogical assumptions, I would not jump to condemn them without some serious research. And I am sure you do not.

I have not done the research myself either but I am keeping an open mind until I do or come across something that is evidence of malfeasance. They do mention a lot of research in the Nag Hammadi which is quite different then the Bible. This text obviously has quite a bit of sway on their belief construction.

I have listened to the God, Man, & Lucifer talk by Joseph Farrell. Interesting and good stuff as well. All these talks for me are right concerning one main account…God is “Included” and “The” pertinent part of the story. Man is not the god that many “New Age” systems rationalize. We are made in the image yes but not the “be all end all” that many seem to believe. Sorry. Service to Others is much more than many claim to live. It requires a level of selflessness that one cannot achieve by one’s self. Our human self oriented motives have a hard time with that level of commitment and take some Grace beyond our self to practice. I gained this bit of reality both in my opinion and by my personal attempts at practicing STO.

Peace All,
-R-

[humanalien]

Revere:

I liked it when steve quayle talked. He was so full of energy
and he kept me interested, all the way through his audios.

I didn't only listen to one, three hour audio, i listened to two
others, in the same format as the first one. So i listened to,
two - three hour audios and one four hour audio. Then i went
to YT and listened to two more, three hour audios, for a total
of around 16 hours of listening.

This is how much that i felt that he was telling the truth. I
loved the man.

It wasn't until after listening to tom horn and having a bad
experience from that, did i start to suspect that something
wasn't right. Knowing that steve and tom, work so close with
each other. meaning their stories are almost the same, did i
realize that something was wrong.

After finding stories on the web about steve, and not in his
favor, did i decide to do some of his research, to see what i
came up with.

From my research and layout of what i found about his giants
story in Genesis, you can clearly see that he was way off the
mark. I do believe that he did his research to but for reasons that
i'm not aware of, he didn't tell the story, as told in the bible.

He sort of embellished his story, to make it sound so much
better and fantastic but if anyone does just a little research
their self into this, they will see that steve and tom both are
being less than truthful.

This is inexcusable and it just dirties up anything else that
he may have said.

I'll stick with God and the bible because his words never change,
unless man changes it. That's why i stick with an older version
of the KJV bible. That's about as close to the truth that i will get.

The bible says that there will be false prophets on earth, all of them
will be speaking and praying in jesus name but they are really wolves
in sheeps clothing. To me, whether steve is aware of it or not, he is
the wolf. I hope that he can see what he is doing and correct himself
before it is to late.

[SilentFeathers]

Horn and Quayle are researchers expressing their opinions, theories (guesses) to what they think certain things may mean.

I don't agree with everything they are coming up with but I do find it quite interesting and full of possibilities.

My occasional research/study over the years of the Bible and Hebrew/Greek translations, Quayle and Horn are not prophets.....true or false in any sense, they are just people researching certain things. IMO

[humanalien]

Horn and Quayle are researchers expressing their opinions, theories (guesses) to what they think certain things may mean.

I don't agree with everything they are coming up with but I do find it quite interesting and full of possibilities.

My occasional research/study over the years of the Bible and Hebrew/Greek translations, Quayle and Horn are not prophets.....true or false in any sense, they are just people researching certain things. IMO

And that's cool with me. If you think there is a lot that these
men can offer you, then by all means, do what you think is
right.

I am not suggesting that anyone should follow me on my path.
I'm just saying, that for me, God and that bible are the only
real truth in my life.

The only thing that i would kindly ask of people, is to please
do a little research of your own, into the stuff that is being
told to you. Don't take anyone at their word, alone.

I think that this is sound advice for any situation.

Just because i have chosen not to follow up on steve's work,
doesn't mean that every thing that he says is false. There
may in fact be some truths in what he says. Just use a lot
of discernment when listening to him or anyone else with
great stories to tell.

[kreagle]

I'll stick with God and the bible because his words never change,
unless man changes it. That's why i stick with an older version
of the KJV bible. That's about as close to the truth that i will get.





I am not suggesting that anyone should follow me on my path.
I'm just saying, that for me, God and that bible are the only
real truth in my life.



humanalien,

Brother, with 'both' of these latest statements, by you, you can't possibly go wrong, providing that you will stay 'committed' to this particular 'pathway' all the way to It's blissful end. Mind you, brother, that 'instructions' will be given to you along this pathway, so keep a sharp eye, ( and open heart), as you continue in this direction.

I've been 'watching' you, and the actions you are taking, and especially noticing the 'frustration' that you have been encountering for some time now. 'Uncomfortable, and trying situations' are often the 'only' language that our 'souls' truly understand, ( and respond to). While these particular times can be very stressful to endure,....you will find that you will completely understand, later, what God was endeavoring to teach you, and that 'special place' that He has been prodding you to venture into. Just be patient, vigilant, and don't give up before He gets you to the 'finish line', brother!



Galatians 6:8-10 (KJV)

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.




BTW,.....as your 'friend', here on Avalon, I personally take that 'honor' seriously, brother. Don't hesitate to 'PM' me, for any help, etc., that you may need, ( or require).


As 'always',......your brother, friend, and servant,.........kreagle



***UPDATE***


This 'latest' post just might be very 'meaningful', ( and beneficial), to you, friend!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48678-Bible-Topics-and-Questions&p=643870&viewfull=1#post643870

[Revere]

For those interested, here is a link to some work on the Book of Giants, in the book of Enoch of the Nag Hammadi found in Egypt. I think possibly Horn & Quayle give this source a lot of weight and use it where the Bible gives less detail on these events. I picked up that during the interview and they seem to give it equal weight to the Bible in their reasoning and do not delineate what each said individually and kind of blend their thoughts on the subject. I wish they would have detailed what came from where in their interview better.

Just saying…take a look for yourself and give it the weight you feel led to. Oh, search around their maybe better sources for this material if you feel it imporant.

and keeping things in order....
"For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified." 1Cor 2:2

http://www.gnosis.org/library/dss/dss_book_of_giants.htm

[kreagle]

For those interested, here is a link to some work on the Book of Giants, in the book of Enoch of the Nag Hammadi found in Egypt. I think possibly Horn & Quayle give this source a lot of weight and use it where the Bible gives less detail on these events. I picked up that during the interview and they seem to give it equal weight to the Bible in their reasoning and do not delineate what each said individually and kind of blend their thoughts on the subject. I wish they would have detailed what came from where in their interview better.

Just saying…take a look for yourself and give it the weight you feel led to. Oh, search around their maybe better sources for this material if you feel it imporant.

and keeping things in order....
"For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified." 1Cor 2:2

http://www.gnosis.org/library/dss/dss_book_of_giants.htm


Revere,

Thanks for the link, brother. I have never read the Book of Enoch, myself, and only have viewed exerts on it. As far as the 'fallen angel/human' co-mingling together and producing 'giants', I have come to equally adopt this view, too. It's with this understanding that I can clearly see how this 'unholy union' polluted the intended human genes, ( as designed by God), for the offspring of these encounters were neither 100% human, or angelic. This further played a 'specific role' in God's decision to select Noah, and his family, for they were found to be 'perfect in their generations' as indicated by Scripture, here.



Genesis 6:6-12 (KJV)

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.




In addition to Noah finding 'grace in the eyes of the Lord',....due primarily because he 'walked with God', we find that Noah had taken measures to 'keep his human bloodline pure and uncontaminated', ( ie. 'perfect in his generations'), which certainly would have been a prerequisite, ( requirement), of God to 'repopulate' the world in the post-flood era.


It's also with this line of thinking that fully leads me to believe that the 'Extra-Terrestrial', ( ET), phenomena is nothing more but a 'Extra-Dimensional', ( ED), reality instead. Angels have been known to appear in various forms, and 'shift-shape' themselves to fit the occasion,.....and the 'fallen angels', ( the 'one-third' variety that was ousted from Heaven with Lucifer), would have fully retained their ability to do exactly this, even in their 'fallen' state. Since 'deception' has always been the hallmark trait of 'fallen angels', ( ie. satanic entities), they have set about deceiving 'all' of mankind by 'appearing' to be something that they are 'not', which is 'extra-terrestrials', ( ET's),.....instead.....of what they 'really' are, 'extra-dimensionals', or ED's, with an evil agenda to rend souls away from God. This ploy has been a very 'crafty', extremely 'easy sale' for them towards humanity, in general, for it seems that most everyone is 'hung-up' on the ET phenomena, and desperately wants to believe in them over the course of human existence. Conversely, very 'few' want to accept the 'demonic', fallen angel version, for this account is far less appealing to the wild imaginations of mankind!

I do particularly like your choice of scriptures, also,...and completely concur!



1 Corinthians 2:2 (KJV)

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.



The 'Gospel Message' of His,....'Death,....Burial,....and.....Resurrection',....is 'all that really matters', as so avidly pointed out by the Apostle Paul to the Church in Corinth!


God bless you, Revere,........your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle